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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Londonvilla on April 15, 2012, 12:48:19 PM

Title: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Londonvilla on April 15, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
Unlike many fans I don't hate Alex McLeish mainly because hate is such a strong word which I reserve  for fascists, racists, muggers, etc however he is not the right manager for us. The problem with websites where fans can post their views is that it is too easy to say what you don't like without setting out a clear alternative. In addition it easy to be completely unrealistic, so with this in mind and taking into consideration the fact that:

A) it will cost between £2m - £3 million to get rid of Alex,
B) and we are losing around £200,000 every home match from empty seats,
C) and TV companies are no longer interested in seeing us play which results in a lack of revenue,
D) and you get about £1 million for each place you finish higher up in the league,
E) and some of the noise now coming out of Villa Park are clearly indicating that some of the players and the board know that they have made a mistake in appointing McLeish

Who do we want as our next manager and more  importantly why?

My choices would be

1) Ian Holloway – works on a tight budget, managed in the premiership and plays attacking football

2) Roberto Martinez – if Wigan are relegated and no bigger club snaps him up we need to remember he didn't come for an interview last time but would be guaranteed to show this time.

3) Gianfranco Zola– managed in the premiership, had no money to spend, and tried to play football

So be positive look forward who would do you want and why?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2012, 12:51:48 PM
Sorry, I find all of your suggestions to be underwhelming in the extreme.  Also, I think you might see this one moved to the other manager threads.

 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
Rodgers by the way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
I would actually take all 3 of those. Holloway for all of him being a pillock would do the job quite well and as if it were the biggest in the world, Martinez is a decent manager, with a decent budget comparitively would be interesting, and Zola did ok at West Ham under impossible circumstances while playing decent football. All 3 would need circa 30 million ish to spend on the squad though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 15, 2012, 01:05:47 PM
Holloway???

I remember when he was hawking Charlie Adam last year ( to get the highest offer so that he could get the best cut for himself) he called Villa a "half arsed club"

Don't be fooled by their promotion to the premier league either - they finished 6th ( 30 odd points below Newcastle, 20 below FC Smethwick) and went up through the playoff lottery

No ta 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on April 15, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
I hate threads like this.  As a fan I don't really care who they get as manager so long as the reasons for the appointment are right.  Put it this way, if we decided to offer the job to the manager of (for example) Heerenveen would you know who that is or anything about his approach to football?

The problem with fans looking for players or managers is you can only comment on those that you have personal experience of, and that experience is going to be far more limited than those of the people who actually make the decisions.

I hope the club have seen that this manager and his style of football were a mistake so they can start looking for someone with a better philosophy.

Personally I'd like a younger guy who will work with the youth and reserve sides to get a consistent style through all levels in the club, focusing on fitness and movement, with the instruction to close the opposition early and in numbers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: Londonvilla on April 15, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
Unlike many fans I don't hate Alex McLeish mainly because hate is such a strong word which I reserve  for fascists, racists, muggers, etc however he is not the right manager for us. The problem with websites where fans can post their views is that it is too easy to say what you don't like without setting out a clear alternative. In addition it easy to be completely unrealistic, so with this in mind and taking into consideration the fact that:

A) it will cost between £2m - £3 million to get rid of Alex,
B) and we are losing around £200,000 every home match from empty seats,
C) and TV companies are no longer interested in seeing us play which results in a lack of revenue,
D) and you get about £1 million for each place you finish higher up in the league,
E) and some of the noise now coming out of Villa Park are clearly indicating that some of the players and the board know that they have made a mistake in appointing McLeish

Who do we want as our next manager and more  importantly why?

My choices would be

1) Ian Holloway – works on a tight budget, managed in the premiership and plays attacking football

2) Roberto Martinez – if Wigan are relegated and no bigger club snaps him up we need to remember he didn't come for an interview last time but would be guaranteed to show this time.

3) Gianfranco Zola– managed in the premiership, had no money to spend, and tried to play football

So be positive look forward who would do you want and why?


i wouldnt argue with any of your choices, they all at least try to play decent football
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 15, 2012, 01:05:47 PM
Holloway???

I remember when he was hawking Charlie Adam last year ( to get the highest offer so that he could get the best cut for himself) he called Villa a "half arsed club"

Don't be fooled by their promotion to the premier league either - they finished 6th ( 30 odd points below Newcastle, 20 below FC Smethwick) and went up through the playoff lottery

No ta 


thats just stats,
 i would rather judge on how his teams play what they try to achieve, how entertainling his teams are, all good for me.
the stats will tell you that last season Blues and Blackpool went down, what they wont tell you is which one was worth watching and which one wasnt,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on April 15, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
no, no and no. holloway's chance at a reasonable sized club leicester was an utter shambles. west ham barely survived in zola's second season. martinez sides play good football but so do tony mowbray's teams. they win fuck all either.

chris hughton or paul lambert from candidates based in england. rodgers has had a great season but inherited a club going in the right direction and playing decent football. different story at villa where the next manager will be inheriting a shambles and effectively starting from scratch. hughton has done this twice and done it well. Lambert took over a norwich side that were in the third division and lost 7-1 to colchester.

id like to think the likes of benitez would be interested but being realistic he wouldnt be. we are going to have to take a punt on an up and coming manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
I wouldn't want any of the shit Londonvilla has suggested.

I'd consider Di Matteo, once Chelsea have fucked him off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 15, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 15, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
The problem with fans looking for players or managers is you can only comment on those that you have personal experience of, and that experience is going to be far more limited than those of the people who actually make the decisions.

I hope the club have seen that this manager and his style of football were a mistake so they can start looking for someone with a better philosophy.

Yet with our 'far more limited experience' than the Villa board, anyone on here would have said if asked prior to appointment that there were better candidates than Alex McLeish.

For me, any new manager has to fit the following criteria:
- Be able to and willing to put the oversized egos and troublemakers in our squad in their place, which is preferably the transfer market.
- Have a clear vision of the way that they want their team to play and be able to communicate that to the fans and players
- Be able to offer strong guidance to the young players in our squad to make their most of their talents.

My first choice would be David Moyes but that isn't going to happen. I'm going to get shouted down for this, I do realise, but I would very much like Roy Hodgson, with a young assistant for him to teach. Failing that I agree that an up-and-coming manager such as Poyet, Zola or Adkins would be the way to go.

But certainly not someone like Curbishley or Bradley who would be massively underwhelming and would provide neither the sudden uplift to the fans or the sudden shock to the system for the players that is needed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 15, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
I wouldn't want any of the shit Londonvilla has suggested.

I'd consider Di Matteo, once Chelsea have fucked him off.

That's not a bad shout at all. And I think he might consider it. After all, if he'd take the Albion job...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 15, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
no, no and no. holloway's chance at a reasonable sized club leicester was an utter shambles. west ham barely survived in zola's second season. martinez sides play good football but so do tony mowbray's teams. they win fuck all either.

chris hughton or paul lambert from candidates based in england. rodgers has had a great season but inherited a club going in the right direction and playing decent football. different story at villa where the next manager will be inheriting a shambles and effectively starting from scratch. hughton has done this twice and done it well. Lambert took over a norwich side that were in the third division and lost 7-1 to colchester.

id like to think the likes of benitez would be interested but being realistic he wouldnt be. we are going to have to take a punt on an up and coming manager



i dont think there is any chance of Holloway, i was just agreeing with Londonvilla,
 your chioces are also all good ones in my view, even though they have won nothing something you put as a negative against the ones you dont like
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:29:05 PM
Lambert or rodgers please!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
if we are ever going to take a punt on a up and coming manager then Carl Robinson at the MK Dons has done miracles there, and his football philosophy is pass and move
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
If we're looking at The Championship, we could consider that baldy bloke at Reading who help's host Masterchef.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
For me I'd like Paul Lambert or Brian McDermott but I don't believe either would join us. I don't believe Jose Mourinho would join us either but I think a club of our size should be able to attract the first two.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
if we are ever going to take a punt on a up and coming manager then Carl Robinson at the MK Dons has done miracles there, and his football philosophy is pass and move

I have still nightmares about graham turner- i dont mind going for a younger modern manager but mk dons is too big a gap in stature in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Yossarian on April 15, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
If we're looking at The Championship, we could consider that baldy bloke at Reading who help's host Masterchef.

That'll be Brian McDermott
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 15, 2012, 01:33:31 PM
For me I'd like Paul Lambert or Brian McDermott but I don't believe either would join us. I don't believe Jose Mourinho would join us either but I think a club of our size should be able to attract the first two.

They might join us if theres money to spend but if we are relying on cutting back more i fear they would turn us down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: picicata on April 15, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
Of the english based candidates I would happily take Lambert as I feel the man is on his way to big things. He has a drive and energy that I admire and he has done exceptionally well with Norwich. He reminds me a little of MON.. but with tactical nous.

From abroad I would happily take Bilic. A belief in good football and a winning mentality, coupled with great belief in himself makes me think he could be a success here. He is also free in the summer (though, rumour has it, Spurs bound)

I would also take my original choice from last summer, Martin Jol.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on April 15, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 15, 2012, 01:21:00 PM
no, no and no. holloway's chance at a reasonable sized club leicester was an utter shambles. west ham barely survived in zola's second season. martinez sides play good football but so do tony mowbray's teams. they win fuck all either.

chris hughton or paul lambert from candidates based in england. rodgers has had a great season but inherited a club going in the right direction and playing decent football. different story at villa where the next manager will be inheriting a shambles and effectively starting from scratch. hughton has done this twice and done it well. Lambert took over a norwich side that were in the third division and lost 7-1 to colchester.

id like to think the likes of benitez would be interested but being realistic he wouldnt be. we are going to have to take a punt on an up and coming manager



i dont think there is any chance of Holloway, i was just agreeing with Londonvilla,
 your chioces are also all good ones in my view, even though they have won nothing something you put as a negative against the ones you dont like

martinez hasnt won all that many EPL games. I think in all the fawning over him that is forgotten. promoted teams tend to finish higher than wigan.

nigel adkins is another one that has impressed me. again he inherited a shambles there but looks like back to back promotions, playing good football, bringing through younger players and a good PR man in getting fans back onside. if for some reason southampton missed out on promotion maybe he could be tempted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 15, 2012, 01:41:34 PM
It would be good if we ended up with a name when pretty much 90% of us think it's right. We really need some unity now.
The last 2 appointments have seen so many mixed feelings towards the boss. GH was very much split and then the AM move was just such a strange one that even the most optimistic were struggling for a few days to think of anything positive to say.

I still think he will be here next season and to be honest I'm not sure if he can turn it around or not. He might, you never know. I just think he needs to go after the Norwich game and we start afresh again with something positive. I just hope Randy has been seeing and hearing the same grummblings as most and wish for the same. He could do with some good advice from someone who cares about Aston Villa and not from a certain Alex Ferguson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 02:00:59 PM
I'd take David O'Leary back after this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 15, 2012, 02:04:04 PM
Some foreign genius with an extensive scouting network. Not sure who fits the bill but our Board should (but won't).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 15, 2012, 02:08:28 PM
Chris Hughton. Done superbly at Noocassul and has clearly worked miracles at the Dog Shit, I had them down as relegation certainties for the Championship with the chaos going on there.

He would stabilise us as a strong mid table Premiership side who wouldn't be looking over our shoulder at relegation and if anything move us above the footballing giants of Swansea, Norwich, Stoke and Smethwick Bromshit Ollbeyun
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curlytailavfc on April 15, 2012, 02:09:55 PM
wow is mcshite getting the sack then dream on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: scoobydoobydont on April 15, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
get rid of faulkner and bring back MON and a decent CEO!!! >:(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 15, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
Chris Hughton for me If anyone from the club is reading this Please feed back that (apart from a very small mindless minority) We don't care that he comes from Blues
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 02:20:16 PM
There's a fella at Shrewsbury who seems to be doing quite well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2012, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 15, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
If we're looking at The Championship, we could consider that baldy bloke at Reading who help's host Masterchef.

That'll be Brian McDermott

I think we'd taste more success with Gregg Wallace.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 15, 2012, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: scoobydoobydont on April 15, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
get rid of faulkner and bring back MON and a decent CEO!!! >:(

God no, don't want to see him waste more millions on average players
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2012, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: scoobydoobydont on April 15, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
get rid of faulkner and bring back MON and a decent CEO!!! >:(

I Scoobydoobydont want that prick back, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bill on April 15, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
if we are ever going to take a punt on a up and coming manager then Carl Robinson at the MK Dons has done miracles there, and his football philosophy is pass and move

I have still nightmares about graham turner- i dont mind going for a younger modern manager but mk dons is too big a gap in stature in my opinion.

Clough came from Hartlepool Utd, Moyes from Preston NE, Shankly from Workington,Atkinson from Cambridge Utd, Little from Darlington. Ron Saunders, by the way, started his managerial career at Yeovil Town. There may well be a big gap in the relative stature of the clubs. But that doesn't mean that the managers of those clubs can't do very well at a higher level.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on April 15, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
He has fucked us over once.   There is no way he should be given the chance to do it a second time.   Much as I regard McLeish as completely out of his depth I would sooner keep him than have O'Neill back as a matter of principle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archie on April 15, 2012, 02:29:37 PM
Last summer my first choice would be Paul Lambert (even if many Villa fans laughed at me then) and still I'm convnced that he'd be the right Scottish for the job (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=45075.msg1905474#msg1905474).
Alternatively, Brendan Rodgers.
And, third, Roberto Mancini is my childhood hero.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 15, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
He has fucked us over once.   There is no way he should be given the chance to do it a second time.   Much as I regard McLeish as completely out of his depth I would sooner keep him than have O'Neill back as a matter of principle.

If we ever had MON back, we'd lose far too much of our dignity.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2012, 02:35:44 PM
I suspect Lerner will back McLeish in the summer (not that I agree with that).

Brendan Rodgers would be my first choice with Lambert and Andre Villas Boas also considered. If for whatever reason we couldn't get one of those there are still better options - even Lee Clark who had Huddersfield playing good football and picked out Jordan Rhodes from nowhere. Foreign managers shouldn't be dismissed just because they don't have Premier League experience either - Bilbao's manager for one would have been a great appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on April 15, 2012, 02:37:10 PM
You would also lose me and I regard myself as a die hard of die hards.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bodkins14 on April 15, 2012, 02:41:12 PM
I'm going to throw a name in Unai Emery, the manager of Valencia apart from the big 2 in Spain he has done a fantastic job. He has had to work on a very tight budget due to the clubs massive financial problems but has a superb record.
He has probably got a bit of knowledge in the overseas market to, I believe he's been there since 2008 ish and you never know he may fancy a challenge. I thInk he's in his early 40's so is up and coming his teams know how to battle and grInd out results and not just draws either. All comments welcome
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on April 15, 2012, 02:45:22 PM
Paul Lambert is my top choice. I'd also take a look at Adkins, should Southampton let us.

Emery would be crazy to leave Valencia for us, btw.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 15, 2012, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: bill on April 15, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
if we are ever going to take a punt on a up and coming manager then Carl Robinson at the MK Dons has done miracles there, and his football philosophy is pass and move.
I have still nightmares about graham turner- i dont mind going for a younger modern manager but mk dons is too big a gap in stature in my opinion.

Clough came from Hartlepool Utd, Moyes from Preston NE, Shankly from Workington,Atkinson from Cambridge Utd, Little from Darlington. Ron Saunders, by the way, started his managerial career at Yeovil Town. There may well be a big gap in the relative stature of the clubs. But that doesn't mean that the managers of those clubs can't do very well at a higher level.   


True but the game has changed a lot since the days of clough and shankly- mk dons to villa is too big a leap in my eyes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on April 15, 2012, 02:55:54 PM
Chris Hughton...........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bill on April 15, 2012, 03:00:15 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 15, 2012, 02:46:34 PM
Quote from: bill on April 15, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 15, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
if we are ever going to take a punt on a up and coming manager then Carl Robinson at the MK Dons has done miracles there, and his football philosophy is pass and move.
I have still nightmares about graham turner- i dont mind going for a younger modern manager but mk dons is too big a gap in stature in my opinion.

Clough came from Hartlepool Utd, Moyes from Preston NE, Shankly from Workington,Atkinson from Cambridge Utd, Little from Darlington. Ron Saunders, by the way, started his managerial career at Yeovil Town. There may well be a big gap in the relative stature of the clubs. But that doesn't mean that the managers of those clubs can't do very well at a higher level.   


True but the game has changed a lot since the days of clough and shankly- mk dons to villa is too big a leap in my eyes.

I lived through those eras. Trust me, the gap between Workington and the Liverpool that Shanks built was pretty enormous.Ability isn't confined by the stature of a lowly club. Indeed I think the best managers are those who work their way up. The trick is to spot them early. That means taking a punt. Not too sure we have anyone at the club who can either spot em or get em. But we live in hope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 03:03:27 PM
I'm going for David Blunkett.  At least he knows how to hold onto a lead.

I'll get my coat
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nirog72 on April 15, 2012, 03:06:55 PM
Gus Poyet or if Chelsea don't keep him on as manager Roberto Di Mateo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 15, 2012, 03:08:41 PM
Paul Lambert for me, but here's a thought from left field, Paolo Di Caneo. What a job he's done at Swindon on a shoestring and they absolutely love him for his passion, commitment and all round decency. After McLeech we need some of that, no, a LOT of that!

How about adding a poll? just for fun!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 15, 2012, 03:20:54 PM
I refuse to speculate. Its seems to me that 98% of the names mentioned on the managerial merry go round can swing from being a tactical genius to a clueless fool and back again within a few weeks based on results achieved during a few hours of activity.
What other industry has such a fickle and quickly shifting view of the candidates suited for senior managerial positions in mutli-million pound companies ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
I wanted Mark Hughes in the first place.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 15, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
I wanted Mark Hughes in the first place.

Who right now is in 16th place.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 15, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
We have to go foreign. I have no idea why Lerner will only consider managers who have "Premier League experience". Its such a small pool of managers, with very little quality between them. The merry-go-round of British managers is one we have to get out of and sharpish.

You just have to look at our targets in the summer. As far as we are aware, we considered four managers: Benitez, Martinez, McLeish and McClaren. What a desperately terrible list of managers. Foreign managers like Quique Flores weren't even given a look in.

Hire a foreign, attacking manager that can dip into foreign transfer markets and help bring the youth at the club through and in two to three years time we could be back challenging for Europe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 15, 2012, 03:43:17 PM
My somewhat hopeful prediction is that Wigan get relegated and Martinez swiftly comes down to B6.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 15, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
I wanted Mark Hughes in the first place.

Who right now is in 16th place.

With QPR.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 15, 2012, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 15, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
I wanted Mark Hughes in the first place.

Who right now is in 16th place.

With QPR.

With richer owners and probably a bigger wage budget than us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 15, 2012, 03:57:50 PM
Thomas Tuchel.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
in fairness, he's had less than half a season there.

Hughes made sense last summer, but that ship has sailed. 

I wasn't against the idea of Martinez as much as some were either.   In his short managerial career he has set the template by which Swansea now play, and keeping Wigwam up with their budget probably constitutes exceeding expectations.

The speed at which he got a workmanlike, functional side containing Steve Bruce's cloggers to actually play football was impressive too.  One decent pre season, not 2/3 years.   

Their defensive frailties scare me though, and by the same token, he's had 3 years to improve that.  Yet they still have the likes of Caldwell at the back.  Resources play a part, of course.  But part of his job description there is to work within his budget, to spot good players for minimal fees.  Didn't he also spend £9 million on a forward who was little short of a disaster?     That would be big money for us.  It's absolutely huge for a club like Wigan.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
I would have loved Hodgson, but our luck being what it is we missed him by a couple of months. Martinez is my realistic option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2012, 04:26:15 PM
Martinez would do if we're not being at all ambitous. Anyone other than McCarthy, Bruce, Pulis or Curbishley.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ross on April 15, 2012, 05:08:31 PM
Brendon Rogers, Paul Lambert, Malky McKay, or even Ian Holloway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 06:00:46 PM
Holloway? I'd rather keep McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 15, 2012, 06:01:46 PM

  Paul Lambert reminds me of Graham Turner, a good up and coming manager who has;nt managed a big team, or big players, or big names, who might be a success at VP, but probably won't be.


 Valencia are losing their manager in the summer, if McL goes then he would be my choice, or someone like Michael Laudrup.A big name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Quiet Lion on April 15, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Holloway ? Are you serious ?

Lambert please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Displeased on April 15, 2012, 06:05:14 PM
I'm not that into available managers etc. But we need a young manager. Someone with drive and a clear philosophy. Someone to inspire. Someone to make something of his own. Whether it's  Lambert, Grayson, Swansea fella, Jürgen Klopp, Solskjaer or a manager from Germany, scandinavia, whatever. Couldn't give a shit. We need a new manager.

I'd say the only key factor for me is age. With a fairly young manager you always have the random gem that can create something out of nothing. With getting shite like McLeish, it's dead certain you won't ever achieve anything.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheadlevilla on April 15, 2012, 06:19:14 PM
This is truelly terrible. A pisspoor manager who is unable to motivate a group of uninspiring below average journeymen. The spark at Villa has been extinguished since before MON left. We need a manager who can inspire, who can attract a player with the promise of progression and who can bring some bloody smiles back to Villa Park

Not a clue who that is tho
BFR with Chris Powell as assistant 😉
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 06:24:52 PM
Terry Vegetables even
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on April 15, 2012, 06:25:22 PM
I'd take anyone right now. But more importantly, who can we attract? Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez...frankly any of those would do. They seem to be able to get thier players to actually play football and look organised. Chuck a small transfer kitty at them and with the kids, a new defence and the return of a few senior players then who knows. Just couldn't be worse...

Given, Bent, Nzogbia, Ireland is a half decent base to work from...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: scoobydoobydont on April 15, 2012, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on April 15, 2012, 03:06:55 PM
Gus Poyet or if Chelsea don't keep him on as manager Roberto Di Mateo.

would've loved to see di matteo and either clarke or wilkins as a team BUT that'll never happen as we don't have the vision as a club that they'd be looking for.... MON is the best manager we've had this century. ok, so he spunked a few million away, but who hasn't??? we have played the best football for a long time under him, and faulkner's lack of leadership was one reason he left!!


of the others, no-one has proven they can manage a larger club with success.... personally i would have loved eck to have had another year in charge.... but recently i'd rather we spend 2-3 million on getting rid, and putting the management team in charge until the summer.... then the merry-go-round starts again, players may not want to come cos we lack ambition, others see us as a stepping stone and/or major career payday....


face it , we're stuck between a rock and a hard place atm.... lerner obviously hasn't the balls to break the cycle or appoint decent executives to run the club....

VTID
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 06:37:40 PM
As a club we need to rethink everything. There has to be more leadership, there has to be a coherent strategy. What's the point in making up the numbers (or not making up the numbers as the case might be next year)?

Randy needs to realise he is the sole custodian of a proud tradition. What we are being subjected to is simply unacceptable. We haven't been competing. We've gone for damage limitation in so any games.

We need to go out and get a manager with a positive attitude and ambition. This club needs to be re-energised. Sort it out Mr. Lerner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Displeased on April 15, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
We really need a man that will bleed C&B. Do you remember the days under Gregory? Fair enough, it was ups and downs, but remember how he was fighting for us. Hell, I've heard him be more supportive us the last 2-3 times he's done an interview, then anything McLeish and Houllier has ever said. Make me believe please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Displeased on April 15, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
We really need a man that will bleed C&B. Do you remember the days under Gregory? Fair enough, it was ups and downs, but remember how he was fighting for us. Hell, I've heard him be more supportive us the last 2-3 times he's done an interview, then anything McLeish and Houllier has ever said. Make me believe please

How many times have you been banned now?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on April 15, 2012, 06:01:46 PM

  Paul Lambert reminds me of Graham Turner, a good up and coming manager who has;nt managed a big team, or big players, or big names, who might be a success at VP, but probably won't be.


 Valencia are losing their manager in the summer, if McL goes then he would be my choice, or someone like Michael Laudrup.A big name.

Laudrup would have been my slightly leftfield choice post MON.

Since then he returned to Spain and didn't do a whole lot with Mallorca. Decent pedigree as a player, and a degree of success with Brondby and Getafe as a manager.  But then iffy stints with Spartak Moscow and Mallorca.  Still young though, in management terms.  So shouldn't necessarily be discounted on that basis.

Van Basten at Heerenveen too, another big name player with a mixed management record.  But -if we're honest-  a manager who doesn't have question marks over his CV or isn't inexperienced to some extent probably wouldn't be a realistic option for us at present.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
Laudrup would do. Christ virtually anyone would do after this incompetent clown.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on April 15, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
ABM ABM ABM ABM.       (Anyone But McLeish)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 15, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Lambert, Rodgers, di matteo, McDermott.

But haven't kendrick and the like said there's no chance of mcleish going?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
I don't think we can go with a younger manager. Damage has been done this season and its going to take an experienced head to sort it out. I don't know who though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
whoever it is he will have to love a challenge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on April 15, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Lambert
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 08:20:39 PM
Paul Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Why on earth would he want to come to us?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 15, 2012, 08:23:41 PM
I'd have DOL back at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanois on April 15, 2012, 08:24:27 PM
I want Sir Graham Taylor appointed to the board and allowed to interview and decide on our manager, Lerner's track record even in American football suggests he would be no more successful in his choice than he was in hand picking mcloser
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:25:41 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 15, 2012, 08:23:41 PM
I'd have DOL back at the moment.

I wouldn't. Or Judas for that matter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
Don't want Holloway after he insulted our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on April 15, 2012, 08:45:10 PM
Anyone but AM, but I can't see Lerner swallowing his pride. We are stuck with the ginger spud, but for what it is worth I would go with Lambert or that Flores guy who wanted to join us last year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 08:46:29 PM
Holloway? No ta. He's way above his level now, let alone with us. He's just a rentagob.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Why on earth would he want to come to us?



re Lambert

bigger club
42000 seater stadium
more money
opportunity to build from the bottom up
bigger fan base
proud history (even though its a while ago)
Bodymore Heath

thers loads of reasons really, we just want the right man to take up the challenge  we would have more than most to offer in my view

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on April 15, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Why on earth would he want to come to us?

Because shit season apart we're a bigger and better club than Norwich.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
Quote from: Summers on April 15, 2012, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Why on earth would he want to come to us?

Because shit season apart we're a bigger and better club than Norwich.

I'd like to think that he'd want the challenge of managing one of the most noteworthy clubs in world football.  Even if he see's Villa as a stepping stone to another club and leaves after a few seasons it'd mean we've been succesful during his tenure. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on April 15, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
I'm a little confused about the Lambert love-in. Didn't I read on here that when we played Norwich some people thought they had one of the worst defences seen at Villa Park in a long time?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
Don't want Holloway after he insulted our club.


you might not like what he said, but he was spot on in my view, thats exactly where we are, and we need someone who is going to come in and say 'this place stinks, and i'm gona change it' pull no punches
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 15, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
I'm a little confused about the Lambert love-in. Didn't I read on here that when we played Norwich some people thought they had one of the worst defences seen at Villa Park in a long time?

It's because his side doesn't get twatted by a Manc club. Oh wait.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 15, 2012, 09:00:40 PM
FRANK FROM THE EDDY.TOTAL PISSHEAD,BUT HEY HO,KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE GAME THAN MCUSELESS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
I don't think we can go with a younger manager. Damage has been done this season and its going to take an experienced head to sort it out. I don't know who though.

I can see the logic, but an older manager isn't necessarily a foolproof solution either.  More experience, but with that often comes a stubbornness, a reluctance to change/ adapt.  As we know ourselves only too well. And McLeish is hardly a young up and coming tracksuit manager. 

So my preference would be a younger manager, but with the caveat that he works under a technical director.  There needs to be a clear direction and vision for the club, and whilst a manager/coach plays a key part in this the plan needs to be big enough that even a change in the dughout doesn't alter it all that much.

O'Neill left and the thing turned to shit, as most of the staff went with him.  Houllier left, and we missed out on a number of players that would have benefited us a great deal. We can't keep having the thing completely thrown up in the air and starting again from scratch with the new manager -whoever he may be- calling all the shots.  Until he too gets the bullet or moves elsewhere.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 09:22:37 PM
McDermott? Should Reading go up he'll have gone as far as he can with them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 15, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
I don't think we can go with a younger manager. Damage has been done this season and its going to take an experienced head to sort it out. I don't know who though.

I can see the logic, but an older manager isn't necessarily a foolproof solution either.  More experience, but with that often comes a stubbornness, a reluctance to change/ adapt.  As we know ourselves only too well. And McLeish is hardly a young up and coming tracksuit manager. 

So my preference would be a younger manager, but with the caveat that he works under a technical director.  There needs to be a clear direction and vision for the club, and whilst a manager/coach plays a key part in this the plan needs to be big enough that even a change in the dughout doesn't alter it all that much.

O'Neill left and the thing turned to shit, as most of the staff went with him.  Houllier left, and we missed out on a number of players that would have benefited us a great deal. We can't keep having the thing completely thrown up in the air and starting again from scratch with the new manager -whoever he may be- calling all the shots.  Until he too gets the bullet or moves elsewhere.




it is difficult,
 and i think there is a whole lota luck involved to, just look at Newcastle, everyone thought they'd fall even lower with Pardew and the blokes turned the ship round,

then there is certain managers who do great at one club because its suits them then they move and just cant recreate it, some managers are just a good fit for the club, its not an exact science, no one can explain it , just happens that way.
 we are just looking for our 'good fit' not a lot to ask !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 15, 2012, 09:43:01 PM
Ian holloway with a few quid behind him would be superb.would love to see him in charge of villa giving his pre match speech.would be hilarious and inspiring for the young lads at villa,just what we need.GO ON THEN,SLATE ME.HAHA
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on April 15, 2012, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:11:16 PM
I don't think we can go with a younger manager. Damage has been done this season and its going to take an experienced head to sort it out. I don't know who though.

I can see the logic, but an older manager isn't necessarily a foolproof solution either.  More experience, but with that often comes a stubbornness, a reluctance to change/ adapt.  As we know ourselves only too well. And McLeish is hardly a young up and coming tracksuit manager. 

So my preference would be a younger manager, but with the caveat that he works under a technical director.  There needs to be a clear direction and vision for the club, and whilst a manager/coach plays a key part in this the plan needs to be big enough that even a change in the dughout doesn't alter it all that much.

O'Neill left and the thing turned to shit, as most of the staff went with him.  Houllier left, and we missed out on a number of players that would have benefited us a great deal. We can't keep having the thing completely thrown up in the air and starting again from scratch with the new manager -whoever he may be- calling all the shots.  Until he too gets the bullet or moves elsewhere.




it is difficult,
 and i think there is a whole lota luck involved to, just look at Newcastle, everyone thought they'd fall even lower with Pardew and the blokes turned the ship round,

then there is certain managers who do great at one club because its suits them then they move and just cant recreate it, some managers are just a good fit for the club, its not an exact science, no one can explain it , just happens that way.
 we are just looking for our 'good fit' not a lot to ask !

Which is entirely why I believe MON will end up at Forest before he retires. But as regards us, I do agree we need 'a good fit'. It worked to a certain extent with both BFR and Brian Little.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2012, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 15, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Lambert, Rodgers, di matteo, McDermott.

But haven't kendrick and the like said there's no chance of mcleish going?

To be honest Matt, Kendrick is another one who needs to go.  He has shirked asking any telling questions of McLeish and the heirarchy this season.   At least that one journalist at the Evening Mail (whose name escapes me) gave O'Leary a hard time when things weren't going well.  Prime example: when Faulkner came out with that nonsense about finishing 6th.  Why didn't Kendrick pull him up on that?   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 15, 2012, 11:48:07 PM
Kendrick spoke very well about us on R5 this afternoon, trashed the 'it's where he came from' myth and said it like it was. Fair play to the guy!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 16, 2012, 11:05:10 AM
Ronald McDonald with Hamburgler as no.2

oh we've already got them.

in that case

Frank Rijkaard would do the trick.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 11:07:40 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 15, 2012, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 15, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Lambert, Rodgers, di matteo, McDermott.

But haven't kendrick and the like said there's no chance of mcleish going?

To be honest Matt, Kendrick is another one who needs to go.  He has shirked asking any telling questions of McLeish and the heirarchy this season.   At least that one journalist at the Evening Mail (whose name escapes me) gave O'Leary a hard time when things weren't going well.  Prime example: when Faulkner came out with that nonsense about finishing 6th.  Why didn't Kendrick pull him up on that?   

Mat Kendrick and Tim Abraham let the odd thing slip on twitter re their opinions of AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 16, 2012, 11:12:21 AM
Has anyone mentioned Villas Boas?

I'd like him, he's available and his name would suit too. Plus he wouldn't  have to work with wankers on the scale of Cole, Terry and co.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Kendrick only knows what the club want him to know- im sure if randy had plans to sack mcleish he wouldnt be tipping off the press about it- we can only hope faulkner goes as well as mcleish.

I keep hearing from so called in the knows thst mcleish will not be here next season- lets hope they are correct!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 16, 2012, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

It's unfair to say that when we pretty much know we went for him before, at a time when, if your reading of his body language is correct, getting him out of Goodison would have been harder.

But, unless Randy is going to free up funds again, why would he take the job?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 16, 2012, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

It's unfair to say that when we pretty much know we went for him before, at a time when, if your reading of his body language is correct, getting him out of Goodison would have been harder.

But, unless Randy is going to free up funds again, why would he take the job?


well quite. I don't think it would take massive transfer funds  to temp him just more than Everton. Sadly he's never going to come here for the same scenario.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 16, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 16, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Kendrick only knows what the club want him to know- im sure if randy had plans to sack mcleish he wouldnt be tipping off the press about it- we can only hope faulkner goes as well as mcleish.

I keep hearing from so called in the knows thst mcleish will not be here next season- lets hope they are correct!

Let's just hope its not MM who was 100% certain that Mccleish wasn't gonna join us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on April 16, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on April 15, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Holloway ? Are you serious ?

Lambert please

Surely Lambert is this years Holloway, or is he 2012's Phil Brown. I can never keep up with the latest flavour of the month.

We need a long term vision, not another 'he's done okay hasn't he!!' choice. I have no bloody clue who that is, but they had better get it right this time around, or one of the best crops of young talent that we've produced in some time will go down the gurgler.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 16, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 16, 2012, 11:17:21 AM
Kendrick only knows what the club want him to know- im sure if randy had plans to sack mcleish he wouldnt be tipping off the press about it- we can only hope faulkner goes as well as mcleish.

I keep hearing from so called in the knows thst mcleish will not be here next season- lets hope they are correct!

Let's just hope its not MM who was 100% certain that Mccleish wasn't gonna join us.

In fairness it was a blemish on his otherwise very good record.

Anyway, I hope he gets another blemish soon, as he's certain that McLeish isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on April 16, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
Martin Jol is the one for me. Or maybe Benitez. A big name of some sort to bring some good feeling back to the club next year, and for us to show a bit of ambition again
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
Benitez and moyes would be the choices if we had money to spend but with little finance we need to lower our sights and lambert or mcdermott, adkins would be interesting choices.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on April 16, 2012, 12:14:42 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 16, 2012, 12:11:13 PM
Martin Jol is the one for me. Or maybe Benitez. A big name of some sort to bring some good feeling back to the club next year, and for us to show a bit of ambition again

Benitez was not interested the first time around, why would he want to come now? Jol is building a decent legacy at Fulham right now, there's not a chance of him leaving that to join us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on April 16, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

he will be off to white hart lane in the summer I reckon.

If Lerner decided to open his chequebook again there would be plenty of interest in the job no matter how low an ebb we are at now. Even if he throws a reasonable amount at a new manager there will be better than Alex McLeish interested.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 16, 2012, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

he will be off to white hart lane in the summer I reckon.

If Lerner decided to open his chequebook again there would be plenty of interest in the job no matter how low an ebb we are at now. Even if he throws a reasonable amount at a new manager there will be better than Alex McLeish interested.


yeah i can see him going to spurs as well if their knobhead fans are willing to give him a chance - they're probably expecting Mourinhio though. I just think with a reasonable budget we could tempt him and he wouldn't have the problem of following a successful manager here either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on April 16, 2012, 12:29:33 PM
I heard from 2 different people that lambert is coming to villa , one from somebody who is connected to a football club and someone who works in football finance.

Probably bullshit but please be true
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on April 16, 2012, 12:38:22 PM
If we do find that we have a vacancy then I would list the realistic options as:

Martinez - whether Wigan stay up or not.
Di - Matteo - doubt he would keep the Chelsea job no matter what they achieve this season
Curbishley - seen as a safe pair of hands - although possibly too much in the AM mould - see also S. Bruce & M. McCarthy
Bob Bradley - because he's American

I'd like it to be a foreign coach who has a good record with youngsters and plays an exciting and swashbuckling style of football. There must be one out there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: SteveN on April 16, 2012, 12:38:22 PM

I'd like it to be a foreign coach who has a good record with youngsters and plays an exciting and swashbuckling style of football. There must be one out there.

Where's John Blackwell when you need him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: john e on April 15, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 15, 2012, 08:42:12 PM
Don't want Holloway after he insulted our club.

you might not like what he said, but he was spot on in my view, thats exactly where we are, and we need someone who is going to come in and say 'this place stinks, and i'm gona change it' pull no punches

Good point.  This is what Graham Taylor did when he took over Villa after we were relegated.  We can only hope history won't repeat itself relegation wise.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 16, 2012, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 16, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on April 15, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
Holloway ? Are you serious ?

Lambert please

Surely Lambert is this years Holloway, or is he 2012's Phil Brown. I can never keep up with the latest flavour of the month.

We need a long term vision, not another 'he's done okay hasn't he!!' choice. I have no bloody clue who that is, but they had better get it right this time around, or one of the best crops of young talent that we've produced in some time will go down the gurgler.

I thinik Lambert is different to those two.

Holloway bounced around the lower divisions for a while and then hit a good run with Blackpool, but couldn't keep them up.  Similar with Brown, although they escaped the one season only and then went down.

Lambert had a poor time at Livingston, but then did well with Wtcombe and Colchester, before leading Norwich to two promotions and PL safety.  I'm also impessed with him doing his badges in Germany, showing a well thought out approach. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
If the club had any ambition they would be looking at Moyes' reaction after the cup game. Now there is a guy who's gone as far as he can at Everton and needs a new challenge,and if there was ever a time to get him it would be this summer. Unfortunately the club hasn't any ambition...

Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

People have been saying that about Moyes for years.  If we didn't get him two years ago, we certainly aren't going to now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 12:56:13 PM
I think Hodgson would be perfect for us at the moment, and would also work well with Randy.
I would even take Pulis at the moment-the football would be better.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Cuz on April 16, 2012, 12:56:24 PM
Moyes
Lambert
Martinez
Holloway
BFR
in that order please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 16, 2012, 12:58:39 PM
Don't think moyes would come to us, why leave one club with no spending power to join a club who are cost cutting.

I'd like to see McDermott from Reading.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 01:00:11 PM
Moyes is not a realistic option- lambert and mcdermott are !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 16, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
Quote
you might not like what he said, but he was spot on in my view, thats exactly where we are, and we need someone who is going to come in and say 'this place stinks, and i'm gona change it' pull no punches

That had nothing to do with Holloway having a go at Villa. He wasn't "telling it like it is" he was just trying to stoke up a Dutch auction to get more money for Adam because he was due a cut of any profit on the transfer. The greedy little carrot-crunching pixie was just playing us off against Liverpool.

Let's not mention Holloway in the same sentence as Graham Taylor
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: drisaac on April 16, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 12:56:13 PM
I think Hodgson would be perfect for us at the moment, and would also work well with Randy.
I would even take Pulis at the moment-the football would be better.

The appointment of Pulis would be one of the only ways in which Randy could act to make things worse than they are now.  There's no way I would stick around to watch his disgusting style of football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 16, 2012, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 16, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
Quote
you might not like what he said, but he was spot on in my view, thats exactly where we are, and we need someone who is going to come in and say 'this place stinks, and i'm gona change it' pull no punches

That had nothing to do with Holloway having a go at Villa. He wasn't "telling it like it is" he was just trying to stoke up a Dutch auction to get more money for Adam because he was due a cut of any profit on the transfer. The greedy little carrot-crunching pixie was just playing us off against Liverpool.

Let's not mention Holloway in the same sentence as Graham Taylor

Quite.

Coming into a club and setting things right is a whole lot different to slagging it from the outside.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 16, 2012, 03:00:08 PM
Saw Moyes was at the (ahem) theatre of dreams yesterday? Ok I'm sure he was scouting for their upcoming match but I also spotted Faulkner in the seat directly behind him. Surely a nice opportunity to have a word in his ear...

Seriously though, I think it's accepted that Moyes was very high up the list the last two times the managers seat became vacant, but turned down our approach for unspecified reasons. If that reason WAS the strict budget directive, and Collymores info is correct and those restrictions have been lifted, is it so unreasonable the time may now be right for Moyes to tackle a fresh challenge?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
why Moyes,
 he's been at Everton 10 years and turned them into a mid table team of scrappers who win nothing,
we need someone fresh, with new ideas, not the tired old stuff Moyes,Hughes, Bruce,Mcliesh will and do bring
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 03:18:50 PM
David moyes will NOT leave everton for aston villa , forget him!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on April 16, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
There is more chance of me engaging in coitus with Megan Fox than there is of Moyes agreeing to join us now. We've only gone downhill since he turned down the job. I think he has designs on a genuinely big job and leaving Everton for us is at best a sideways step.

I also am not a particularly big fan of Moyes. A good manager who has done an excellent job yes, but his teams are dull and start the season poorly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 16, 2012, 03:21:58 PM
Paul Lambert for me - has done an excellent job at Norwich and at Colchester and Wycombe before that

get's the best out of his teams
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa for life on April 16, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
Ironically, I just had a text from my EFC supporting mate and he wants Moyes to resign - they see him as just being too negative. Apparently, a lot of EFC fans want Bilic. Anyway, I texted back saying he needed a good relegation battle to appreciate what Everton "have"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 16, 2012, 03:26:26 PM
Trouble is, as we discovered last year, the very best managers are not interested in the Villa job despite what we want to believe. Who else could we reasonably expect to attract (emphasis on the word reasonably).

So many of the others mentioned constitute a risk, and gambles are expensive if they go tits up. I think Lambert shows promise if that's the road you want to go down but there are no guarantees there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 16, 2012, 03:36:56 PM
Hmmm.... if potential candidates thought it was a difficult job 12 months ago, it's doubly difficult now. If a new manager comes in this summer, he'll be walking into a massive task - disinterested senior pros who need moving on, some potentially key players with rock-bottom confidence issues (Gabby, N'Zogbia), and a clutch of promising younger players, who hopefully won't be completely battered or scarred by the experiences of the second half of the season.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villasjf on April 16, 2012, 03:53:45 PM
Whoever comes in and i hope someone does they will have a nearly blank canvas to start with as there will be a lot offloaded or moved on. It will be a massive year for us we will be starting with a good nucleous of promising talent and new signings. Whoever it is will have a big job just to get us in a positive mood again and lift MONs curse from the ground.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 16, 2012, 04:04:36 PM
i would be having a word with martin laursen about becoming number 2 to an older manager for 2 seasons and 2 seasons only either.
Gregory
Little
BFR

after the 2 years laursen steps up to the manager role and takes kmac as his number 2 also offering coaching roles to petrov once hes over his illness and mellberg we can start building a villa through and through mentality keeping sid and trying to pursuade learner to appoint a new "villacentric" CEO who actually has a clue how to run a major football club.

if my plan was followed i think in 5 years time we would have started to build a "we are ASTON VILLA and f*** anybody else" mentality that we sorely lack. laursen could not be worse than attackless mcleish and even gregory could be counted on to steer us to mid table or at least avoiding the drop, even if people are worried by the idea with a slightly out of touch gregory taking over for 2 season we could appoint a dof to oversee transfers. i firmly belive martin laursen will manage a villa side one day soon having started managing Søllerød-Vedbæk.

maybe its wishfull thinking but i really enjoyed gregorys villa and would love to see an ex villa player come in as number 2 for a few seasons and start to build the club from within
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
I threw the name of Paolo Di Caneo in a few pages back, nobody bit. Young, up and coming manager, good season at Swindon on a shoestring, passionate, knows the game from the top and a proper sportsman. I reckon he'd be worth a gamble, but I admit it'd be a gamble! (Then, who isn't? Please do not go down the Hodgson route, no thanks!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 16, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
It could be a bit like 1994/95. A narrow escape followed by a clear out, a new start with some new signings.....Our next move (hopefully a new manager) could be the making of us!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Please do not go down the Hodgson route, no thanks!)

Why not? Safe pair of hands. Experienced. Knowledgeable. Will steady the ship, just what we need for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: philthebar on April 16, 2012, 04:46:59 PM
Why bother speculating.  We have a manager in place.  If and when he goes then it's then a case of of who is available and who will take on the job. 

None of our 'who do you want' threads will have any influence.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
Would be better than what we have for sure.

But that UEFA cup run apart, his spell at Fulham wasn't hugely impressive.  And despite a full pre season there, the Olbiyun have been towards the arse end of the table for most of the campaign.

His sides are generally organised and defend as a unit, but after a season of Big Eck it would be nice to look at a manager who focusses more on setting his own team up to attack, rather than stopping the opposition.  Though I'll readily concede Hodgson is far more effective with his preferred method than McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 16, 2012, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Please do not go down the Hodgson route, no thanks!)

Why not? Safe pair of hands. Experienced. Knowledgeable. Will steady the ship, just what we need for a couple of seasons.

I’d take Hodgson, a decent manager whose teams play good football and can spot a decent player and like maidstonevillain says, he will steady the ship for a couple of season.

He is also coming to an age where he might like a DOF role in a couple of years and we could bring in a young manager to work with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 04:49:51 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 16, 2012, 03:21:58 PM
Paul Lambert for me - has done an excellent job at Norwich and at Colchester and Wycombe before that

get's the best out of his teams

Also got the playing background (Champions League winner) to earn the respect of the players.   Hodgson might be a decent shout as well.  He has quite a lot of experience in Scandanavia so could bring Martin Laursen on board with the view of him taking the job in the future.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
Got this from Vital Villa.  Apparently two bookies are taking the odds for the next Villa manager.

Here's the Top 10 candidates according to Victor Chandler and Stan James -

Victor Chandler -

Benitez - 8/1
Curbishley - 10/1
MacDonald - 12/1
Solksjaer - 12/1
Martinez - 12/1
Bruce - 12/1
Moyes - 14/1
McCarthy - 14/1
Lambert - 14/1
Rodgers - 16/1

Stan James -

Benitez - 3/1
Curbishley - 6/1
Bruce - 8/1
MacDonald - 10/1
Solksjaer - 10/1
Martinez - 10/1
Moyes - 10/1
McCarthy - 12/1
Lambert - 12/1
Keane - 12/1

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7511872
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on April 16, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: philthebar on April 16, 2012, 04:46:59 PM
Why bother speculating.  We have a manager in place.  If and when he goes then it's then a case of of who is available and who will take on the job. 

None of our 'who do you want' threads will have any influence.

I'm sure we all know that but it's a bit of fun, rather like the Transfer thread.  It's the hope that keep me going.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
Those quotes from Victor Chandler and Stan James are names and lists plucked from thin air to try and get the gullible to bite. Nothing in that whatsoever I'm afraid - as long as Lerner isn't struck by some bright light on the road to footballing Damascus, we're stuck with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Leighton on April 16, 2012, 05:17:05 PM
Dean Saunders. Yes I know he's just been relegated with Doncaster, but maybe he has cut his teeth now with them and Wrexham. I've never been one for demanding that the manager has to have Villa links, but i feel we need somebody who knows the place and can get a feel good factor going again.

If anything, at least it's a good song!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: philthebar on April 16, 2012, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: SteveN on April 16, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: philthebar on April 16, 2012, 04:46:59 PM
Why bother speculating.  We have a manager in place.  If and when he goes then it's then a case of of who is available and who will take on the job. 

None of our 'who do you want' threads will have any influence.

I'm sure we all know that but it's a bit of fun, rather like the Transfer thread.  It's the hope that keep me going.

I know - but I've just got back from a long liquid lunch, which has made me rather more bitter about what is going on. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 16, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:08:03 PM


Curbishley - 6/1
Bruce - 8/1


http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7511872

Please stay, Alex.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 16, 2012, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:08:03 PM


Curbishley - 6/1
Bruce - 8/1


http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7511872

Please stay, Alex.



Seriously?  You think those two would do a worse job?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
Got this from Vital Villa.  Apparently two bookies are taking the odds for the next Villa manager.

Here's the Top 10 candidates according to Victor Chandler and Stan James -

Victor Chandler -

Benitez - 8/1
Curbishley - 10/1
MacDonald - 12/1
Solksjaer - 12/1
Martinez - 12/1
Bruce - 12/1
Moyes - 14/1
McCarthy - 14/1
Lambert - 14/1
Rodgers - 16/1

Stan James -

Benitez - 3/1
Curbishley - 6/1
Bruce - 8/1
MacDonald - 10/1
Solksjaer - 10/1
Martinez - 10/1
Moyes - 10/1
McCarthy - 12/1
Lambert - 12/1
Keane - 12/1

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7511872

Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 16, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
I think if Holloway explained his 2 bit club like aston villa re charlie adams saga, (which i think it was)

I would welcome him on board!

We have good footballing kids and he plays champagne football on a tenants super budget!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 16, 2012, 05:37:14 PM
I cant see Mcleish going...

we paid 2 mill for him and he is on 1 mil a year or so, so its going to cost us about 6 mil in total after compensation and sunken costs....

Out of interest what are odds for McLeish to go?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 16, 2012, 05:37:14 PM
I cant see Mcleish going...

we paid 2 mill for him and he is on 1 mil a year or so, so its going to cost us about 6 mil in total after compensation and sunken costs....

Out of interest what are odds for McLeish to go?

Paddypower and Stan James are both offering 9/2. He seems to be the bookies favourite by quite a bit.

http://www.betting-directory.com/football/next-permanent-manager.php
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archieavfc on April 16, 2012, 05:44:38 PM
Honestly ANYBODY. I really cant think of a worse person to have. I would take absolutley anybody instead of Eck.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
The Curbishley and Bruce names in those odds are frightening, but I reckon the bookies are believing it could happen due to Lerner and Co's incompetence.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 16, 2012, 05:37:14 PM
I cant see Mcleish going...

we paid 2 mill for him and he is on 1 mil a year or so, so its going to cost us about 6 mil in total after compensation and sunken costs....

Out of interest what are odds for McLeish to go?

Paddypower and Stan James are both offering 9/2. He seems to be the bookies favourite by quite a bit.

http://www.betting-directory.com/football/next-permanent-manager.php

Well, by anyone's reckoning he should be. Everyone (other than the old-boys' network in the mainstream press) seems to know that he should go. Everyone except for the board, who only seem to listen to those old-boys' networks and to their own unfathomable loyalties.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
The Curbishley and Bruce names in those odds are frightening, but I reckon the bookies are believing it could happen due to Lerner and Co's incompetence.

To be honest, it's that self same incompetence which is why there'll be no managerial hunt this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Please do not go down the Hodgson route, no thanks!)

Why not? Safe pair of hands. Experienced. Knowledgeable. Will steady the ship, just what we need for a couple of seasons.

And not the name to inspire much more than the hope of a (very) slightly safer season than McLeech. We need someone to make people sit up and take notice, get some excitement back at the club, that isn't Hodgson, though I agree, he'd be better than what we currently have!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
If you were a friend of Alex Ferguson's, you'd know exactly who the next Villa Manager will be.

Clearly he's the Kingmaker.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
My friend lived in Plymouth and went to the same gym that the Plymouth players used. 

He said Holloway was an absolute joke and did not have a clue.  I appreciate that there is more to football than the science side but I’d want a manager that if he couldn’t do something then he would delegate it to someone else, or try and learn more about it. 

In short Holloway is too old school for me and I do not think he could run the whole club in the manner than we need.

With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
I'd give it Southgate.

I want someone who's got some feeling for the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
My friend lived in Plymouth and went to the same gym that the Plymouth players used. 

He said Holloway was an absolute joke and did not have a clue.  I appreciate that there is more to football than the science side but I’d want a manager that if he couldn’t do something then he would delegate it to someone else, or try and learn more about it. 

In short Holloway is too old school for me and I do not think he could run the whole club in the manner than we need.

With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.

Agreed on Di Canio.

With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 16, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
I'd give it Southgate.

I want someone who's got some feeling for the club.

Whaaaaat?
The bloke who had to get away to play European football and then joined Middlesbrough???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
If you were a friend of Alex Ferguson's, you'd know exactly who the next Villa Manager will be.

Clearly he's the Kingmaker.

Paul Ince.     Or Darren Ferguson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
If you were a friend of Alex Ferguson's, you'd know exactly who the next Villa Manager will be.

Clearly he's the Kingmaker.

Paul Ince.     Or Darren Ferguson.

SHUDDER!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 16, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
I'd give it Southgate.

I want someone who's got some feeling for the club.

Really?  I thought I was the only person that thinks he has potential.

Personally I’d appoint him in a role that mirrors his role for the FA - elite training and development (of young players and coaches) as I think he is an intelligent and driven individual who’d happily study the game but maybe lacks the charisma required to be manager. 

Therefore we’d need a young manager who is good at motivation but yet willing to sign up to Villa’s (TBC) football philosophy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rutski on April 16, 2012, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
My friend lived in Plymouth and went to the same gym that the Plymouth players used. 

He said Holloway was an absolute joke and did not have a clue.  I appreciate that there is more to football than the science side but I’d want a manager that if he couldn’t do something then he would delegate it to someone else, or try and learn more about it. 

In short Holloway is too old school for me and I do not think he could run the whole club in the manner than we need.

With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.

Agreed on Di Canio.

With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.
is di canio a racist? or just a supporter of a club with a fascist supporting element?
are lazio the first fascist club and also first racist club? do they advertise that?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 16, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
I'd give it Southgate.

I want someone who's got some feeling for the club.

Whaaaaat?
The bloke who had to get away to play European football and then joined Middlesbrough???

Also a guy that insisted on having pictures of the European Cup winners in the dressing room as he felt that was where the club should be aiming.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.

Benitez sounds unlikely as we rejected him last summer. Admittedly he could have been a cheaper option than McLeish as he was out of a job, but it's well worth paying a little extra to get a man with two recent relegations on his CV rather than a man with two recent CL finals.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on April 16, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Southgate please what he achieved??? no thanks

Rather have yorke and bosnich, at least the night clubs and lapdancing trade would get a boost
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 06:14:58 PM
Quote from: rutski on April 16, 2012, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
My friend lived in Plymouth and went to the same gym that the Plymouth players used. 

He said Holloway was an absolute joke and did not have a clue.  I appreciate that there is more to football than the science side but I’d want a manager that if he couldn’t do something then he would delegate it to someone else, or try and learn more about it. 

In short Holloway is too old school for me and I do not think he could run the whole club in the manner than we need.

With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.

Agreed on Di Canio.

With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.
is di canio a racist? or just a supporter of a club with a fascist supporting element?
are lazio the first fascist club and also first racist club? do they advertise that?

He indulged in the facist salute after one of Lazio's home games.
He also described him self as a facist and an admirer of Mussolini.

I've been to a couple of Lazio games, their fans are right wing and mental, they're a bit like the Dog shit supporters in that they're obsessed with their rivals (Roma).

The last time I went it was just after Manure had stuffed Roma 7-1.

There were loads of them walking round with Manure replica tops on or T-shirts celebrating the rout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.

Benitez sounds unlikely as we rejected him last summer. Admittedly he could have been a cheaper option than McLeish as he was out of a job, but it's well worth paying a little extra to get a man with two recent relegations on his CV rather than a man with two recent CL finals.

I don't remember hearing that we rejected Benitez? Where are you hearing that from?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Yossarian on April 16, 2012, 06:17:12 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/20/article-1389305-01FC42030000044D-489_468x353.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on April 16, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Anyone other than Mc Leish atm
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.

No specifics.  The Plymouth Albion rugby team also used the gym and he said that the rugby players would be following specific tailored programmes whereas Holloway just told the player to sit on the bikes for a bit (presumably so he could slide a whoopee cushion onto the seat).

My mate played a bit of rugby and also studied sports science so he’d have an idea of what the players should have been doing.  He said the Rugby players could not believe how amateur the football players were.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 16, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
Got this from Vital Villa.  Apparently two bookies are taking the odds for the next Villa manager.

Here's the Top 10 candidates according to Victor Chandler and Stan James -

Victor Chandler -

Benitez - 8/1
Curbishley - 10/1
MacDonald - 12/1
Solksjaer - 12/1
Martinez - 12/1
Bruce - 12/1
Moyes - 14/1
McCarthy - 14/1
Lambert - 14/1
Rodgers - 16/1

Stan James -

Benitez - 3/1
Curbishley - 6/1
Bruce - 8/1
MacDonald - 10/1
Solksjaer - 10/1
Martinez - 10/1
Moyes - 10/1
McCarthy - 12/1
Lambert - 12/1
Keane - 12/1

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7511872



from that list i'd be tempted to take a chance with the fella Victor Chandler maybe with Stan James as his no 2,
dont know to much about them but worth a try
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 16, 2012, 06:19:45 PM
If we're planning long term with a young manager. I wouldnt be against Southgate. I know it's a gamble but he's young, hungry and since his time at Boro has done significant development work. He driven and an ambitious guy so given our current plight, he might just be the guy to build something!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 06:21:31 PM
Victor fucking Meldrew couldn't do any worse.

'Conceded from a corner, again??? I don't fucking believe it.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 06:21:44 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.

Benitez sounds unlikely as we rejected him last summer. Admittedly he could have been a cheaper option than McLeish as he was out of a job, but it's well worth paying a little extra to get a man with two recent relegations on his CV rather than a man with two recent CL finals.

When you count the payouts to the French Football Association, the wages and subsequent payout to Houllier and the payout to B-lose + Big Ecks wages, it can't be far off Ancelotti/ Hiddink territory.   

Not that the financial package alone would be enough for them to take the job, but it illustrates the waste that has occured since 2010. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:22:48 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on April 16, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Southgate please what he achieved??? no thanks

Rather have yorke and bosnich, at least the night clubs and lapdancing trade would get a boost


thought Yorke looked very handsome yesterday with his lovely tailored suit and tie and pocket kerchief,
 most impresive dresswear sir
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.

No specifics.  The Plymouth Albion rugby team also used the gym and he said that the rugby players would be following specific tailored programmes whereas Holloway just told the player to sit on the bikes for a bit (presumably so he could slide a whoopee cushion onto the seat).

My mate played a bit of rugby and also studied sports science so he’d have an idea of what the players should have been doing.  He said the Rugby players could not believe how amateur the football players were.

Re-reading the Kuper/Szymanski book "Why England Lose", none of that surprises me. Rugby, cricket, increasingly baseball etc - these sports are all far less tradition-prone and data-informed than football, at all levels.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on April 16, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
Southgate please what he achieved??? no thanks

Wasn’t he the first manager to field an entirely homegrown side in the premiership?

Besides since Boro he has been working for the FA attending umpteen international training courses.  Visiting the top clubs and international sides around the world trying to identify what makes them better than the rest.  He has intimated in interviews that he does not want to get back into management and sees his role in the development side of football.

I think he would be a good fit for the club as a director of football (maybe still doing his role with the FA) but not as a manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.

No specifics.  The Plymouth Albion rugby team also used the gym and he said that the rugby players would be following specific tailored programmes whereas Holloway just told the player to sit on the bikes for a bit (presumably so he could slide a whoopee cushion onto the seat).

My mate played a bit of rugby and also studied sports science so he’d have an idea of what the players should have been doing.  He said the Rugby players could not believe how amateur the football players were.

Re-reading the Kuper/Szymanski book "Why England Lose", none of that surprises me. Rugby, cricket, increasingly baseball etc - these sports are all far less tradition-prone and data-informed than football, at all levels.


yeah, but in Cricket (which i love) and Rugby we only have to beat other comonwealth nations, not the whole of the world like in football,
 its just not fair
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Why all the hate for Curbishley?

I think he's a decent-good manager tbh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.

I've obviously missed something there then! What's that all about?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Why all the hate for Curbishley?

I think he's a decent-good manager tbh.


Fashion
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 16, 2012, 06:17:12 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/20/article-1389305-01FC42030000044D-489_468x353.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on April 16, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Why all the hate for Curbishley?

I think he's a decent-good manager tbh.

Prime example of how our expectations have fallen.   

But - yes practially anybody but the awful gobshite we have at the mo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 06:06:38 PM
With regards to Holloway - any fun details? Always like a good "gobby twat is incompetent" story.

No specifics.  The Plymouth Albion rugby team also used the gym and he said that the rugby players would be following specific tailored programmes whereas Holloway just told the player to sit on the bikes for a bit (presumably so he could slide a whoopee cushion onto the seat).

My mate played a bit of rugby and also studied sports science so he’d have an idea of what the players should have been doing.  He said the Rugby players could not believe how amateur the football players were.

Re-reading the Kuper/Szymanski book "Why England Lose", none of that surprises me. Rugby, cricket, increasingly baseball etc - these sports are all far less tradition-prone and data-informed than football, at all levels.


yeah, but in Cricket (which i love) and Rugby we only have to beat other comonwealth nations, not the whole of the world like in football,
 its just not fair

Exactly. The book actually shows that England slightly over-perform given all the data available.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
With regards to Di Canio.  There is no way I want a racist associated with the club.

I've obviously missed something there then! What's that all about?

As others have said previously he admits to being a fan of mussolini and the photo above does not help his case.
When he was made manager at Swindon the - or a - sponsor withdrew their money in protest at his appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
If he's that way inclined then fair enough, but that pic looks pretty badly photoshopped to me!

Edit: Sorry, should have the thread fully before posting!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
If he's that way inclined then fair enough, but that pic looks pretty badly photoshopped to me!

Edit: Sorry, should have the thread fully before posting!


there is a lot of that photoshoping going about
only the other day there were some photo's of me that made me look very fat, clearly been tampered with

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.

Benitez sounds unlikely as we rejected him last summer. Admittedly he could have been a cheaper option than McLeish as he was out of a job, but it's well worth paying a little extra to get a man with two recent relegations on his CV rather than a man with two recent CL finals.

I don't remember hearing that we rejected Benitez? Where are you hearing that from?

Don't remember where I heard it, but apparently Benitez wanted "complete" control, and the board decided that he reminded them too much of MON to be considered for the job. I don't know if it is true, but it fits with the interviews with Benitez where he said that he wanted his next job to be a "project" where he could spend time building a decent team rather than bring instant success.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
If he's that way inclined then fair enough, but that pic looks pretty badly photoshopped to me!

Edit: Sorry, should have the thread fully before posting!


there is a lot of that photoshoping going about
only the other day there were some photo's of me that made me look very fat, clearly been tampered with



You're not fat John.






You're just a bit cuddly!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
If he's that way inclined then fair enough, but that pic looks pretty badly photoshopped to me!

Edit: Sorry, should have the thread fully before posting!


there is a lot of that photoshoping going about
only the other day there were some photo's of me that made me look very fat, clearly been tampered with



You're not fat John.






You're just a bit cuddly!


thanks bud, and you are a good looking fella, dont let anyone tell you different
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Why all the hate for Curbishley?

I think he's a decent-good manager tbh.


Fashion

Agreed.

I think the reputation he has got is a bit unfair tbh.

Look at what happened to Charlton when he left.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:50:09 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:25:47 PM
Why all the hate for Curbishley?

I think he's a decent-good manager tbh.


Fashion

Agreed.

I think the reputation he has got is a bit unfair tbh.

Look at what happened to Charlton when he left.


i agree with you,
 i wouldnt be lusting after him coming to VP but would not be slitting my throat either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 16, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 16, 2012, 05:34:14 PM
Bloody hell I hadn't even considered Benitez. Gimme gimme gimme.

Benitez sounds unlikely as we rejected him last summer. Admittedly he could have been a cheaper option than McLeish as he was out of a job, but it's well worth paying a little extra to get a man with two recent relegations on his CV rather than a man with two recent CL finals.

I don't remember hearing that we rejected Benitez? Where are you hearing that from?

Don't remember where I heard it, but apparently Benitez wanted "complete" control, and the board decided that he reminded them too much of MON to be considered for the job. I don't know if it is true, but it fits with the interviews with Benitez where he said that he wanted his next job to be a "project" where he could spend time building a decent team rather than bring instant success.

I'm really not sure how to feel about that.

On one hand I can understand the board not wanting another MON character, as they still probably felt hurt from the manner of his departure. However, to turn down a manager with his credentials is surely ludicrous, and the fact that we have such a strong youth aspect to our squad means that we were a perfect model of a team that could be slowly built into a decent team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 07:05:15 PM
Based on how Kevin Mac and Sid being involved in the first team seemed to be a condition on McLeish talking the job, this might -naturally enough- have put off the likes of Hughes and Benitez. 

But whereas their stock was high and they could (as far as they were concerned)  insist on their own men and nobody else, McLeish after relegation with That Lot wasn't bargaining from a position of strength.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Was Grant his Assistant at Bloos? Just wondering on his reputation and whether he might actually be pulling the strings. Maybe he has upset the players?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on April 16, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Grant went to the Noses in July 2010 following the departure of Roy Aitken.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
if they appoint someone who has general appeal, it might be a good time to come in,

 for instance last year when some were calling for the head of Houllier and proclaiming 'anyone but Houllier' in every post, they probably hadnt factored in the appointment of Mcliesh,

 so next time round any new manager might get a bit more time,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rutski on April 16, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
not one of you on here has a scooby doo what is going on! i wish i could tell you that i know better!
i have, within the last week spoken to 2 'insiders' at the club! both are on first name terms with the ceo, Paul, and both have come out with completely the opposite of what each had to say!
Mcleish is off as soon as the last game has happened and he is definitely going to be the manager of our club next season, whatever division we are in!
these little releases about benitez are chinese whispers! started on sites like this.
trust me, we know feck all and arent going to soon!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...

Well, yes, I would turn him down. If nobody lives or dies on the basis of your employment judgement, you can afford to have a little moral leighway (leeway?). There are personal views and then there's being public about your fascism.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...

Yes.

And some personal views are so repugnant that I really wouldn't want our club anywhere near them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...

Yes.

And some personal views are so repugnant that I really wouldn't want our club anywhere near them.


i heard he is also a friend of Bono as well
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 16, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
Anybody with lots of spirit and fight would do.Anybody with loads of passion for our club and who likes to play great attacking football.Powell from Charlton maybe?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 16, 2012, 08:27:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...

Yes.

And some personal views are so repugnant that I really wouldn't want our club anywhere near them.


i heard he is also a friend of Bono as well

The Villa side who stonewalled Hitler would be spinning in their graves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 16, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on April 16, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
I would hate to have Di Canio at our club. If it was a choice between him and McLeish it would be AM every day of the week.

Why?

Why wouldn't we want a young, talented up and coming manager with a bit of passion? Or are we to believe that Paolo Di Canio is a facist or something like that.

I'd much rather have Di Canio, than Mcleish and his dour, shit, embarrassing attempt at management.

Too much passion, you could say. His exact phrase was "I'm a fascist, but I'm not a racist". Can't say I want that at our club.

So if Mourinho said he was a fascist you would turn him down?

Personal views and all that...

Yes.

And some personal views are so repugnant that I really wouldn't want our club anywhere near them.


i heard he is also a friend of Bono as well

lol, john, most definately lol :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 16, 2012, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 06:33:56 PM
If he's that way inclined then fair enough, but that pic looks pretty badly photoshopped to me!

Edit: Sorry, should have the thread fully before posting!


there is a lot of that photoshoping going about
only the other day there were some photo's of me that made me look very fat, clearly been tampered with



You're not fat John.






You're just a bit cuddly!


thanks bud, and you are a good looking fella, dont let anyone tell you different

Eh, fuck off shinman, you've nicked my username, you're not nicking my online lover.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 16, 2012, 05:58:04 PM
I'd give it Southgate.

I want someone who's got some feeling for the club.

Whaaaaat?
The bloke who had to get away to play European football and then joined Middlesbrough???

Also a guy that insisted on having pictures of the European Cup winners in the dressing room as he felt that was where the club should be aiming.

Which was where I was coming from, thank you Dante.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
There is only Terry Connor and Steve Kean from the Premier League that I wouldn't swap for McLeish.  He's such a crap Manager.  We have a useless selection process for Managers though, we'd probably offer Wolves ten mill for Connor.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 16, 2012, 11:15:26 PM
Our market maybe 'emerging' Championship 'talent', or in other words someone who misses out on the play-offs - who can also wheel & deal.

Holloway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2012, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 16, 2012, 11:15:26 PM
Our market maybe 'emerging' Championship 'talent', or in other words someone who misses out on the play-offs - who can also wheel & deal.

Holloway.

I said Holloway elsewhere!! Almost got shot for it!!  You're right though.  Holloway, Mowbray, Warnock, Hughton (oh no, not again!!), Dave Jones, Poyet.  Not an inspiring list really is it? Ranieri and Fat Rafa it is then (yeah right!!).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
Crikey.

I can't believe anyone would want that moron Holloway here. He who referred to us as "a half arsed club who used to be famous" all of a year and a bit ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 16, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
There is only Terry Connor and Steve Kean from the Premier League that I wouldn't swap for McLeish.  He's such a crap Manager.  We have a useless selection process for Managers though, we'd probably offer Wolves ten mill for Connor.

Well he does have Premier League experience...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 16, 2012, 11:30:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
Crikey.

I can't believe anyone would want that moron Holloway here. He who referred to us as "a half arsed club who used to be famous" all of a year and a bit ago.


Dunno. On their current form of picking managers that are guaranteed to piss off the support, i'd say he was at least on the board's shortlist.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on April 16, 2012, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
Crikey.

I can't believe anyone would want that moron Holloway here. He who referred to us as "a half arsed club who used to be famous" all of a year and a bit ago.

Yeah he wasn't wrong was he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lee on April 16, 2012, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
Crikey.

I can't believe anyone would want that moron Holloway here. He who referred to us as "a half arsed club who used to be famous" all of a year and a bit ago.

If he was talking about now, he'd be on the money
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
If McLeish does go, it is clear that we won't be looking at the top end of the market for a replacement.  If it is passion you are after, what about Neil Lennon?  He is a decent young manager, who must surely be getting tired of all the nonsense that goes on up in Scotland.  I can't see him wanting to leave Celtic, but I think the best thing he could do is get out of that situation and get a club South of the border.  He has two ex-Villa players on his coaching staff and has plenty of experience of playing in the Premier League.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on April 17, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
If McLeish does go, it is clear that we won't be looking at the top end of the market for a replacement.  If it is passion you are after, what about Neil Lennon?  He is a decent young manager, who must surely be getting tired of all the nonsense that goes on up in Scotland.  I can't see him wanting to leave Celtic, but I think the best thing he could do is get out of that situation and get a club South of the border.  He has two ex-Villa players on his coaching staff and has plenty of experience of playing in the Premier League.   

Not for me.  Not in a million years.   He's the only manager I know of that posts on Twitter for starters!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: picicata on April 17, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
If McLeish does go, it is clear that we won't be looking at the top end of the market for a replacement.  If it is passion you are after, what about Neil Lennon?  He is a decent young manager, who must surely be getting tired of all the nonsense that goes on up in Scotland.  I can't see him wanting to leave Celtic, but I think the best thing he could do is get out of that situation and get a club South of the border.  He has two ex-Villa players on his coaching staff and has plenty of experience of playing in the Premier League.   

No.

Managing one of the old firm in Scotland is a sure way of getting success, you or I could have managed Celtic this season and we would have won the league. I would want to see Lennon managing a club where success isn't guaranteed before I would consider him for the Villa position.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lee on April 17, 2012, 12:20:50 AM
Quote from: Billy Walker on April 17, 2012, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
If McLeish does go, it is clear that we won't be looking at the top end of the market for a replacement.  If it is passion you are after, what about Neil Lennon?  He is a decent young manager, who must surely be getting tired of all the nonsense that goes on up in Scotland.  I can't see him wanting to leave Celtic, but I think the best thing he could do is get out of that situation and get a club South of the border.  He has two ex-Villa players on his coaching staff and has plenty of experience of playing in the Premier League.   

Not for me.  Not in a million years.   He's the only manager I know of that posts on Twitter for starters!

Nor me. He's the only Manager that I know of North of the Border, that's a complete ******.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 17, 2012, 12:30:27 AM
Lennon no way.He will be in a straight jacket by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Everytime we've employed an ex-old firm manager he's been useless or a ******, or both. Could be just coincidence but i'd rather not risk it again thank you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TaxDodger on April 17, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
If McLeish does go, it is clear that we won't be looking at the top end of the market for a replacement.  If it is passion you are after, what about Neil Lennon?  He is a decent young manager, who must surely be getting tired of all the nonsense that goes on up in Scotland.  I can't see him wanting to leave Celtic, but I think the best thing he could do is get out of that situation and get a club South of the border.  He has two ex-Villa players on his coaching staff and has plenty of experience of playing in the Premier League.   

I can't even..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 17, 2012, 12:49:40 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Everytime we've employed an ex-old firm manager he's been useless or a c***, or both. Could be just coincidence but i'd rather not risk it again thank you.

Seems like he's just as unpopular South of the border as well!!  I was also going to suggest Walter Smith, but it seems ex-Old Firm managers are well and truly off the list.

But on a serious note, who are we going to be able to attract if McLeish does go?  We've got a small squad that has very little quality, there isn't a lot of money to spend and the previous two incumbents got an absloute slating off the fans.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Terry Jones on April 17, 2012, 01:21:55 AM
What suggestions i have seen not one of that lot only one season wonders not one of them have proved worthy of coming to our great club.Is some of mine how about Kermit Miss Piggy or Animal think they may do a better job than the Muppets mentioned so far.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on April 17, 2012, 01:34:28 AM
I reckon Martinez might be worth a second nibble, especially with the rumours of he and Whelan looking to part ways this summer.

If not, I would got for a manager from the Championship with a DOF. Houllier would have been ideal for that role.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 17, 2012, 01:55:46 AM
If you think Eck is bad for excuses (and he's terrible), look up some Lennon interviews. He makes Kenny Dalglish, a man who's been doing a David Icke impression this season, look like the most rational man in the world.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 17, 2012, 02:03:26 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 17, 2012, 01:55:46 AM
If you think Eck is bad for excuses (and he's terrible), look up some Lennon interviews. He makes Kenny Dalglish, a man who's been doing a David Icke impression this season, look like the most rational man in the world.

He does seem to have a conspiracy theory that the whole of Scottish Football is out to get Celtic and him in particular, and he's not afraid of airing that opinion in interviews!!  Saying that though, he has been through some pretty horrendous stuff so it is understandable in a way why he arrives at some of those conclusions.  I think he's a pretty talented young manager (he's certainly made some decent foreign signings since being there), but for the sake of his career and his sanity he needs to get away from all that nonsense up there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on April 17, 2012, 02:15:37 AM
Probably true. I think that he has started to tire of it somewhat and might be keen to leave at the end of the season.

However, I'm not sure of his abilities as a manager. Celtic seem to choke in their big games. For example, when Rangers were going through an abysmal run of form a few weeks ago Celtic had the chance to win the title at Ibrox but managed to lose the game, there was also the league cup final against Kilmarnock which they managed to lose and of course Sunday's Scottish Cup Semi. Also, his reaction to such setbacks is always that of being a completely classless wanker. He has become a very hard man to like and I say that having thought how well he came across when he first went there. He seemed like a deep thinker and an articulate guy. Now he seems like a ranting lunatic who has no class. Lastly, his Celtic side have struck me as a rudimentary football team. They have some good players (Forrest, Kayal, Ki) but I watched them earlier on this season and it struck me how poor all their players who were playing that day were on the ball. I'm not talking about a McLeish or Pulis degree of rudimentaryness but definitely around the Pubehead kind of football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:34:44 PM
I'd be happy with Lambert if he brought Grant Holt with him as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 12:35:56 PM
All I want is somebody who can adopt a modern approach to our game and plays passing entertaining football. Who that happens to be doesn't really matter, they just need that approach and I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........

Lambert's Scottish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........
I am amazed you are advocating Martinez as our new manager ? Have you seen the stats ??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........

Lambert's Scottish.

Yes but he hasn't managed us !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
I think Martinez's name is only getting mentioned again due to Wigan's last two results.  Great though they were, is anybody else concerned that his sides seem to NEED these sort of late season flurries justto stay in the division?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on April 17, 2012, 12:51:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........

Lambert's Scottish.

So is Rodgers.

I wouldn't sat that Martinez has worked wonders this sesaon, he's done what he has every season at Wigan - been in a relegation scrap and pulls it out the bag over last few games. Once he starts moving up the table consistently then you can give him some brownie points.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........
I am amazed you are advocating Martinez as our new manager ? Have you seen the stats ??

Yes and have you also seen that he actually wins games? man utd - arsenal - what did we do against these teams? We lost
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:53:47 PM
The managers I have mentioned work without paying huge sums of money. Look who the ginger one has bought what a waste of money. AM should not be given a penny more. The only thing he should be getting is the sack.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........
I am amazed you are advocating Martinez as our new manager ? Have you seen the stats ??

Yes and have you also seen that he actually wins games? man utd - arsenal - what did we do against these teams? We lost
Do you want me to provide a list of who Wigan have lost to ? They have spent practically the whole season at the foot of the table and they're still below us now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 17, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
Quote
So is Rodgers.


Eh?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
Brendan Rodgers - Paul Lambert - Roberto Martinez - All three have worked wonders with their teams this season and also played attractive football shame we cannot say the same. AM is almost as bad as Billy McNeil and we know what he did for us. There is a scottish theme going on here........
I am amazed you are advocating Martinez as our new manager ? Have you seen the stats ??

Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES

Yes and have you also seen that he actually wins games? man utd - arsenal - what did we do against these teams? We lost
Do you want me to provide a list of who Wigan have lost to ? They have spent practically the whole season at the foot of the table and they're still below us now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on April 17, 2012, 01:10:37 PM
AM bought Nzog and has failed to get the best out of him, this would not have gone unoticed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on April 17, 2012, 01:10:37 PM
AM bought Nzog and has failed to get the best out of him, this would not have gone unoticed.

I've argued before that Bent has scored around his career average goals to games ratio this season, but with N'Zogbia, Gabby and Albrighton we've certainly not seen the best of them. 

Super Marc is the one that has disappointed me the most as I was expecting big things from him this season.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 17, 2012, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 17, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
Quote
So is Rodgers.


Eh?

rodgers is from northern ireland not scotland
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES


I just  find it funny that with all your ranting about Mcleish,you put Martinez forward as a possible replacement whose results have been worse in terms of points to date.You wanted Mcleish out within a month I can't see you cutting Martinez much slack
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 17, 2012, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 17, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
Quote
So is Rodgers.


Eh?

rodgers is from northern ireland not scotland

Well, we have a history with Northern Irish managers aswell........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES


I just  find it funny that with all your ranting about Mcleish,you put Martinez forward as a possible replacement whose results have been worse in terms of points to date.You wanted Mcleish out within a month I can't see you cutting Martinez much slack

Martinez would be welcomed with open arms and yes he would be given time to put his mark on the club. At least we wouldnt be playing for draws all the time and then losing when it all went tits up within  minutes of going a goal behind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 17, 2012, 01:26:48 PM
Martinez with a European Director of Foootball to work with him.  Martinez with a Johan Cryuff would be perfect.

Martinez has worked wonders keeping the Wigan in the Premiership every year. He deseves a crack at a top job.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 17, 2012, 01:29:32 PM
Wigan have struggled for 2 reasons, they can't defend and they haven't got a goalscorer. If he was our manager, at least we would create chances for Bent, Wigan do create lots of chances.

We still wouldn't be able to defend so we would just have to try and outscore the opposition - would still prefer Lambert myself but Martinez would be acceptable
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES


I just  find it funny that with all your ranting about Mcleish,you put Martinez forward as a possible replacement whose results have been worse in terms of points to date.You wanted Mcleish out within a month I can't see you cutting Martinez much slack

Martinez would be welcomed with open arms and yes he would be given time to put his mark on the club. At least we wouldnt be playing for draws all the time and then losing when it all went tits up within  minutes of going a goal behind.
Yes,give me losses week in week out anyday
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Boz on April 17, 2012, 01:32:31 PM
Martinez wasn't a particularly popular choice by a lot of fans I recall last time around, but of course that was before the board played its master stroke and appointed McLeish.

Now of course, in answer to the title of this thread, almost anybody who wants their team to play football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 17, 2012, 01:26:48 PM
Martinez with a European Director of Foootball to work with him.  Martinez with a Johan Cryuff would be perfect.

Martinez has worked wonders keeping the Wigan in the Premiership every year. He deseves a crack at a top job.


He had the chance.He said no
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

Forgive me if I've missed something here, but exactly how do you work out Martinez is the fan's favourite?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES


I just  find it funny that with all your ranting about Mcleish,you put Martinez forward as a possible replacement whose results have been worse in terms of points to date.You wanted Mcleish out within a month I can't see you cutting Martinez much slack

Martinez would be welcomed with open arms and yes he would be given time to put his mark on the club. At least we wouldnt be playing for draws all the time and then losing when it all went tits up within  minutes of going a goal behind.
Yes,give me losses week in week out anyday

WHAT?????   Are you deranged man?

You prefer AM to RM?????

Is is because you have subscribed to the AM fan club and you want your money worth
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 17, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

Forgive me if I've missed something here, but exactly how do you work out Martinez is the fan's favourite?

Who is then if not RM?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Ideally I'd want Sir Alex Ferguson, but that's not going to happen. So, we're left with a dilemma. Randy likes his Premier League experience and someone who isn't going to want to go mad with the funds. So, we're left with a younger up & coming manager. Paul Lambert? maybe, done wonders with Norwich, is this job too big, in terms of pressure, he's not really had any expectations on him since he took the role at Norwich. He will have next season. Be interesting to see how he does. Maybe the same with Rodgers. I'd prefer Rodgers out of the two, but do they see Villa as a challenge? or a Graveyard? I can see why they'd both be tempted, but also, they're probably in a no-win situation if they came to Villa, because if they bolted us up the table, we'd only complain and say "well, this is where we should be, now show us what you've got..."

Personally, I like what Brian McDermott has done at Reading, also Nigel Adkins at Southampton, maybe even Di Matteo?

Martinez is the obvious choice. Let's go get him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Provide a list if you want but my point is they are only one point behind us. WIGAN one point behind the VILLA THIS IS A SHAMBLES


I just  find it funny that with all your ranting about Mcleish,you put Martinez forward as a possible replacement whose results have been worse in terms of points to date.You wanted Mcleish out within a month I can't see you cutting Martinez much slack

Martinez would be welcomed with open arms and yes he would be given time to put his mark on the club. At least we wouldnt be playing for draws all the time and then losing when it all went tits up within  minutes of going a goal behind.
Yes,give me losses week in week out anyday

WHAT?????   Are you deranged man?

You prefer AM to RM?????

Is is because you have subscribed to the AM fan club and you want your money worth
And where did I say that ? I was making the point that Martinez has spent most of the season losing week in week out
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 01:39:52 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 17, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

Forgive me if I've missed something here, but exactly how do you work out Martinez is the fan's favourite?

Who is then if not RM?

Why don't you start a poll and find out?  I'd say it's be either Lambert or Rodgers.

But just because you brought him up and a few members have said nice things about him, with what seems a fairly equal number saying 'no thanks', does not make him the fan favourite.

OK - maybe it does it WarleyWonderLand.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!
What on earth is going to tempt him to Villa that's better than last summer?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 01:41:18 PM
go on then, do a Poll. Oh, and remember to include the 'usual suspects' Bruce, Curbishley etc
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on April 17, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
There are a few managers I would avoid like the plague -Megson, Reid, McLaren, Warnock.  Apart from those, almost anyone except McLeish.  In fact I'd even have Warnock or McLaren ahead of McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 17, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:34:42 PM
WHAT?????   Are you deranged man?

You prefer AM to RM?????

Is is because you have subscribed to the AM fan club and you want your money worth

I think it is possible not to want Mcleish but to not want Martinez either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
It's more a case of who will come here.
Martinez ain't going to come to Villa; Everton more likely if (as seems quite possible) Moyes moves on.
Brendan Rodgers, Paul Lambert and Nigel Adkins will stick for another season I think; unfinished business at their current clubs.
Brian McDermott will stick; and, anyway, he's been at Reading for 11 years and is bound to want to see if they can make it in th etop flight.

The options are either abroad or in the lower leagues. But I don't know who it might be!

And, here's the real problem: nor will RL know, since he does not seem to have many senior / respected / 'been there-done-it' footballing people in his corner right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 17, 2012, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: EffDee on April 17, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Brian McDermott will stick; and, anyway, he's been at Reading for 11 years and is bound to want to see if they can make it in th etop flight.

Haven't Reading got Russian money coming in?  He might well have more money to spend where he is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

How on earth do you work that one out?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 17, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
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What on earth is going to tempt him to Villa that's better than last summer?

that's what worries me

No money
Disaffected squad
Absentee chairman, leaving him to take the flak
Fans ready to jump on his back with silly proests if we aren't top after the first 5 games

Hate to say it, but If he's got any sense he'd be holding out for the Spurs job
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 17, 2012, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

How on earth do you work that one out?

For 'fans favourite' read 'WarleyWonder' likes him, and as we know, WarleyWonder speaks for us all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:50:56 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 17, 2012, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
Looks like our man Martinez is the fans favourite then ...........come on Roberto !!!!!!

How on earth do you work that one out?

For 'fans favourite' read 'WarleyWonder' likes him, and as we know, WarleyWonder speaks for us all.

I don't even think WarleyBewildered likes Martinez, he just likes him more than McLeish.

If that is the criteria, then I declare Megan Fox to be the fans' choice, as I prefer her to McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveD on April 17, 2012, 01:53:24 PM
Chris Hughton - working wonders twice on poor resources. I doubt the club would go down to the end of that particular road for a second successive summer. Paul Lambert would be my choice. Brendan Rogers wouldn't come, for the same reasons Martinez rejected us last season. He could do better and probably will. We may have a "proud history" but too many up and coming managers will be worried they can bring a "bright future" with make do and mend.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 02:31:22 PM
So Wigan have had a couple of decent results, I still wouldn't want Benitez with Ringworm here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Somebody who can teach how to pass and move and who doesn't make players stay rigidly within their set zones.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Somebody who can teach how to pass and move and who doesn't make players stay rigidly within their set zones.

Essentially that yes. It would also help if he has a pair and is prepared to try and beat the 'elite' clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 17, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Somebody who can teach how to pass and move and who doesn't make players stay rigidly within their set zones.

Essentially that yes. It would also help if he has a pair and is prepared to try and beat the 'elite' clubs.


he was right,, Martinez it is then
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NQsDiscoPants on April 17, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Martinez would do a great job for you - he plays good football and is on the verge of performing a miracle in keeping Wigan up.

Had you gone for him in the summer when it was first rumoured I honestly think you'd be top ten by now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:15:41 PM
To be honest unless Wigan go down I can't see Martinez wanting to come to us, and it looks like they're staying up given their recent form.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: NQsDiscoPants on April 17, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Martinez would do a great job for you - he plays good football and is on the verge of performing a miracle in keeping Wigan up.

Had you gone for him in the summer when it was first rumoured I honestly think you'd be top ten by now.

We did go for him in the summer, but he didn't want to leave Whelan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
We are still a bigger club than Wigan , I think he would come here now.In fact should he keep Wigan up giving the plaudits they are currently getting now is the time to leave.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: NQsDiscoPants on April 17, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Martinez would do a great job for you - he plays good football and is on the verge of performing a miracle in keeping Wigan up.

Had you gone for him in the summer when it was first rumoured I honestly think you'd be top ten by now.

Singalong:  "Niall Quninn’s disco pant are the best, they go right from his arse to his Ch-est, they are better than adam and the ants, NIALL QUINN’S disco pants”

I’m not convinced by Martinez (yet), basically I think people have really short memories in football and he is flavour of the month after his recent results against ManU, Arse, Liverpool and almost Chelsea.  The fact is those results must be hiding some real shockers elsewhere as they still below us despite those “bonus" 9 points.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
We are still a bigger club than Wigan , I think he would come here now.In fact should he keep Wigan up giving the plaudits they are currently getting now is the time to leave.



To be fair, he didn't come in the summer and if anything things are much worse for us now than they were though. Though I will agree that he surely must realise that he's done all he can with Wigan and that it's time to pack up and move on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
We are still a bigger club than Wigan , I think he would come here now.In fact should he keep Wigan up giving the plaudits they are currently getting now is the time to leave.



To be fair, he didn't come in the summer and if anything things are much worse for us now than they were though. Though I will agree that he surely must realise that he's done all he can with Wigan and that it's time to pack up and move on.

He also managed to engineer a nice pay rise out of Whelan from the whole affair so there is a chance that he’d consider it job done with Wigan and look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
We are still a bigger club than Wigan , I think he would come here now.In fact should he keep Wigan up giving the plaudits they are currently getting now is the time to leave.



To be fair, he didn't come in the summer and if anything things are much worse for us now than they were though. Though I will agree that he surely must realise that he's done all he can with Wigan and that it's time to pack up and move on.

He also managed to engineer a nice pay rise out of Whelan from the whole affair so there is a chance that he’d consider it job done with Wigan and look elsewhere.

I truly, truly hope so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: He wears a magic hat on April 17, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
How about Brian Mcdermott - Reading

seems to conduct himself very well in front of the media - has sold his best player and worked within a tight budget and has still managed to get his club playing attacking, exciting and winning football.

Very affordable and I'm sure he'd see us as a very attractive proposition
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 17, 2012, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: He wears a magic hat on April 17, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
How about Brian Mcdermott - Reading

seems to conduct himself very well in front of the media - has sold his best player and worked within a tight budget and has still managed to get his club playing attacking, exciting and winning football.

Very affordable and I'm sure he'd see us as a very attractive proposition

The only problem I can see with Lambert is the fact that Reading are almost definitely destined for promotion this season, and I wouldn't bet on him leaving the team he's just got promoted. In 2-3 years? Maybe. Very good manager though like you say.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 17, 2012, 04:53:26 PM
I'm not suggesting this, but I just read a VERY interesting article on [the success] of one Paulo DiCanio.
(that'll put the cat among the pigeons - I've lit the blue touch - paper - now stand back !!)  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: He wears a magic hat on April 17, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
How about Brian Mcdermott - Reading

seems to conduct himself very well in front of the media - has sold his best player and worked within a tight budget and has still managed to get his club playing attacking, exciting and winning football.

Very affordable and I'm sure he'd see us as a very attractive proposition

In the Championship there is McDermott, Hughton, Poyet and Atkins.  They’re all good young managers who I understand play attractive football.  They will not all get promoted so whoever stays in the Championship would be a viable option.  However I’d prefer it if they were supported by a director of football. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:57:53 PM
In summer Martinez looked a bad option now I think he would get people hanging around Villa Park celebrating his arrival..or just sheer jubilation to rid the club of Mcliesh and Grant !!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 05:01:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 04:57:53 PM
In summer Martinez looked a bad option now I think he would get people hanging around Villa Park celebrating his arrival..or just sheer jubilation to rid the club of Mcliesh and Grant !!

In many ways, it is that simple.  The next manger is a very lucky man as he will get support from 90% of the fans regardless of who he is.  Add the youngsters and the improving wages issue and ultimately I think the job should be appealing for an up and coming manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
Maybe it's all a cunning ploy.  Give the job to McLeish, a manager so pant-wettingly awful that any decision they make after that will seem brilliant.  Just as any future striker will do compared to Emile Heskey.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 17, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 17, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
Maybe it's all a cunning ploy.  Give the job to McLeish, a manager so pant-wettingly awful that any decision they make after that will seem brilliant.  Just as any future striker will do compared to Emile Heskey.

Even Curbishley? I agree with you though, it's almost, the enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of thing.  Pant wettingly is also very good BTW.  If you don't mind, I'm going to use it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
The only option more unpopular than the current mob would be Heskey player manager ...and even then i'd be willing to give him a go
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 17, 2012, 06:44:19 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 17, 2012, 04:53:26 PM
I'm not suggesting this, but I just read a VERY interesting article on [the success] of one Paulo DiCanio.
(that'll put the cat among the pigeons - I've lit the blue touch - paper - now stand back !!)  ;D

You're a day late mate, scroll back a few pages!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Somebody who can teach how to pass and move and who doesn't make players stay rigidly within their set zones.

If that's the criteria then Martinez is a good option.

You can make a case against all of the recurring names:

Martinez:  No stranger to the bottom of the table
Rodgers:   Still relatively inexperienced, got the boot from Reading not so long back
Lambert:  Something very MON about him.  Has come up through the divisions, but his sides still play functional football.  And his success seems to rely on ordinary (and often older) players punching above their weight, rather than any focus on technical ability

If we widen it out to European coaches/ managers, realistically we'd have to look at those who have a blip or two on their CV's.  That still leaves some very good candidates, like Van Basten, Rijkaard, Laudrup and co.  But the issue with an appointment of that ilk is they might get itchy feet very quickly.  Go through the record of most of those and it's by no means unusual to see managerial stints that last less than a year. 

We need someone who is on board with the concept of building something here, who doesn't view VP as merely the latest stop off, a chance to experience the top flight in England and then move swiftly on.

So for me, I'd have a slight preference for Martinez.  He's already illustrated his loyalty to Wigwam, when he could have easily bailed at the first offer of bigger money/ better resources elsewhere.   He was also the one who set the ball rolling at Swansea-  a fair chunk of the players there are still his signings. Rodgers is merely reaping the benefits of the groundwork already put in. Though with his background learning under Mourinho and co at Chelsea, it would be unfair to suggest that he brings nowt to the table there.

We don't expect/ demand top 6 anymore, nevermind top 4, so a manager trying to do the right things will be given time IMO.  I can accept a few seasons of mid table football, if our games start to become even vaguely entertaining sometimes, and don't make me want to spoon my own eyeballs out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 02:34:56 PM
I repeat it's the approach of the manager towards a passing and entertaining game, more than who that man is. We desperately need a manager in touch with the modern possesion based game.
Somebody who can teach how to pass and move and who doesn't make players stay rigidly within their set zones.

If that's the criteria then Martinez is a good option.

You can make a case against all of the recurring names:

Martinez:  No stranger to the bottom of the table
Rodgers:   Still relatively inexperienced, got the boot from Reading not so long back
Lambert:  Something very MON about him.  Has come up through the divisions, but his sides still play functional football.  And his success seems to rely on ordinary (and often older) players punching above their weight, rather than any focus on technical ability

If we widen it out to European coaches/ managers, realistically we'd have to look at those who have a blip or two on their CV's.  That still leaves some very good candidates, like Van Basten, Rijkaard, Laudrup and co.  But the issue with an appointment of that ilk is they might get itchy feet very quickly.  Go through the record of most of those and it's by no means unusual to see managerial stints that last less than a year. 

We need someone who is on board with the concept of building something here, who doesn't view VP as merely the latest stop off, a chance to experience the top flight in England and then move swiftly on.

So for me, I'd have a slight preference for Martinez.  He's already illustrated his loyalty to Wigwam, when he could have easily bailed at the first offer of bigger money/ better resources elsewhere.   He was also the one who set the ball rolling at Swansea-  a fair chunk of the players there are still his signings. Rodgers is merely reaping the benefits of the groundwork already put in. Though with his background learning under Mourinho and co at Chelsea, it would be unfair to suggest that he brings nowt to the table there.

We don't expect/ demand top 6 anymore, nevermind top 4, so a manager trying to do the right things will be given time IMO.  I can accept a few seasons of mid table football, if our games start to become even vaguely entertaining sometimes, and don't make me want to spoon my own eyeballs out.

I think that's essentially my view too. Plus it will lead to better things in the long run. Under Mcleish we are going nowhere but down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
That's pretty much it Paul.

I'm not under any illusions that brining in Martinez (or similar)  will suddenly issue in an era of unprecedented success.  But it might be the start, of learning good habits. Things that appear basic, like passing and players moving off the ball, but things we have struggled with for over a decade.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 17, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
I was very happy about going for Martinez last summer although I knew it would be a gamble, I'd be happy still if we went for him again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 17, 2012, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
That's pretty much it Paul.

I'm not under any illusions that brining in Martinez (or similar)  will suddenly issue in an era of unprecedented success.  But it might be the start, of learning good habits. Things that appear basic, like passing and players moving off the ball, but things we have struggled with for over a decade.


there is also a massive dollop of luck which goes any appointment,  i've said before its not an exact science, some managers just suit certain clubs at certain times,
we just got to hope we make as good a chioce as possible, then pray for a bigger dollop than most

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 17, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
That's pretty much it Paul.

I'm not under any illusions that brining in Martinez (or similar)  will suddenly issue in an era of unprecedented success.  But it might be the start, of learning good habits. Things that appear basic, like passing and players moving off the ball, but things we have struggled with for over a decade.

I agree, I do wonder about the Coaching at the club.

Brendan Rodgers spent time watching Barcelona training and working on matters football, not a bad an idea.

'Root and branch surgery' has been used so many times while I've been a Villa fan, and it needs to be used again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 17, 2012, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on April 17, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
That's pretty much it Paul.

I'm not under any illusions that brining in Martinez (or similar)  will suddenly issue in an era of unprecedented success.  But it might be the start, of learning good habits. Things that appear basic, like passing and players moving off the ball, but things we have struggled with for over a decade.

I agree, I do wonder about the Coaching at the club.

Brendan Rodgers spent time watching Barcelona training and working on matters football, not that an idea.

'Root and branch surgery' has been used so many times while I've been a Villa fan, and it needs to be used again.


root and branch suggests we have got it wrong top to bottom, and thats not the case, we have a great youth set up and academy, playing football the way we wish the first team to play.
we just need a manager who can marry the two together
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
After the negativity that has swamped the support with the current encumbent, the next manager will start from a pretty good position - all that "he's not McLeish" stuff is going to guarantee a certain amount of goodwill.

If we're going to operate on a limited budget for a while longer, then we're going to have to do it, there's no getting away from that, so if it is lowered expectations, lets have some fun at least, and appoint a manager who'll try to get us playing a bit of football.

Ultimately, it is a hobby, it is meant to be fun. For too long (and not just under AM) it has been like a chore going to the matches.

I think that's the main objection to McLeish from many of us - not that he doesn't get us results or play good football, but that he's not really very interested in the latter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: john e on April 17, 2012, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on April 17, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
That's pretty much it Paul.

I'm not under any illusions that brining in Martinez (or similar)  will suddenly issue in an era of unprecedented success.  But it might be the start, of learning good habits. Things that appear basic, like passing and players moving off the ball, but things we have struggled with for over a decade.

I agree, I do wonder about the Coaching at the club.

Brendan Rodgers spent time watching Barcelona training and working on matters football, not that an idea.

'Root and branch surgery' has been used so many times while I've been a Villa fan, and it needs to be used again.


root and branch suggests we have got it wrong top to bottom, and thats not the case, we have a great youth set up and academy, playing football the way we wish the first team to play.
we just need a manager who can marry the two together

Well quite.

It would surely be desirable to have a manager who can play to the strengths of our young players.  If we had a rake of limited centre half cloggers and defensive midfielders all coming through, a McLeish type (though preferable still NOT McLeish)  would make a degree of sense.  But the likes of Bannan, Albrighton and co are ballplayers, so -with resources tight-  we need a guy who is more likely to get the best out of what we already possess on the books.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on April 17, 2012, 08:57:18 PM
Gus Poyet for me has the hunger played at top level, When Brighton came to VP in the cup a few years back he had them well set up and they kept their shape also caused us a few problems.Has the South American passing and movement experience and will come with no pre conceived problems of managing Villa.Like Martinez he has plied his managerial trade at the lower leagues and now is the time to step up to the plate.Be bold Villa and take a chance Rodgers is an exciting young manager but his stint at Watford was nothing to shout about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
I think it's pretty clear that most people just want to be entertained, which seems obvious but has been overlooked by the club. Mcleish will never ever entertain, it's not what he does. If we don't have the finances to compete at the very top, we can at least be palatable to watch. At the moment not only do we get terrible results, we're also mind numbingly bad to watch. People want to be entertained, and if the board want season ticket, merchandise, game day ticket sales etc. They need to hire a manager who can offer that to us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 17, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
Maybe it's all a cunning ploy.  Give the job to McLeish, a manager so pant-wettingly awful that any decision they make after that will seem brilliant.  Just as any future striker will do compared to Emile Heskey.
It could be just that. But maybe AM and Heskey are just to soften us up before the real horror starts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 18, 2012, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 17, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
Maybe it's all a cunning ploy.  Give the job to McLeish, a manager so pant-wettingly awful that any decision they make after that will seem brilliant.  Just as any future striker will do compared to Emile Heskey.
It could be just that. But maybe AM and Heskey are just to soften us up before the real horror starts.

Ha ha

I'm sure Heskey has a pay if fit clause in his contract, what other Prem club would play him ?

I'd absolutely love Rodgers to take Villa on, he'd have a big project in front of him, but he's proved that he can get non world beating players to play the game properly as a team.

He could transform Villa given a few years.

Of course, there are many in our current squad who'd just have to go, and barry Bannan would love it, playing football as opposed to hitandhopeball.

Dream on :)

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 09:19:38 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
I think it's pretty clear that most people just want to be entertained, which seems obvious but has been overlooked by the club. Mcleish will never ever entertain, it's not what he does. If we don't have the finances to compete at the very top, we can at least be palatable to watch. At the moment not only do we get terrible results, we're also mind numbingly bad to watch. People want to be entertained, and if the board want season ticket, merchandise, game day ticket sales etc. They need to hire a manager who can offer that to us.

Summed up perfectly.

Are we really asking too much?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 17, 2012, 06:55:26 PM
We don't expect/ demand top 6 anymore, nevermind top 4, so a manager trying to do the right things will be given time IMO.  I can accept a few seasons of mid table football, if our games start to become even vaguely entertaining sometimes, and don't make me want to spoon my own eyeballs out.

This.  Some entertainment, and, as has already been said, some gonads.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: arnie66 on April 18, 2012, 10:08:10 AM
What brought the issue of Villa becoming a negative dour and frankly boring team to watch home to me was the game against Swansea.......I thought that it was a breath of fresh air watching their passing, movement and ball retention. 

No superstars or overpaid prima donnas....just a hardworking team trying to entertain

That's all i want to see every week

Not too much to ask is it ??

So keeping to the title of the threat.....Brendan Rogers for me please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
I think it's pretty clear that most people just want to be entertained, which seems obvious but has been overlooked by the club. Mcleish will never ever entertain, it's not what he does. If we don't have the finances to compete at the very top, we can at least be palatable to watch. At the moment not only do we get terrible results, we're also mind numbingly bad to watch. People want to be entertained, and if the board want season ticket, merchandise, game day ticket sales etc. They need to hire a manager who can offer that to us.

Totally agree which is why It makes me sick to currently watch villa, its not the results or the players its the style or lack of if it.
It takes courage to play good football even when things are not going well but you have to stick at it especially if you don't have big money to spend its the only way forward for us.
The next manager has to be a young manager with fresh ideas who can make a back 4 play football at whatever the cost and all the way through the Club the same commitment to play that style.

Really the country should get rid of Managers like McLeish, Bruce and McCarthy and many of the same ilk if we want to compete with other leagues. Those type of managers belong in rugby league not the football league
Im sure somewhere in these managers minds theirs a want to entertain but at the first sign of trouble they revert to form. In McLeish's case he whimpers out before a ball is even kicked.
If we do get the right manager then a lot of patience is required from ourselves as fans its a long process and everyone has to sign up to it. The right minded footballer has to be scouted and that doesn't have to be necessarily an expensive one it has to be someone that can be molded or to fit into a system.

At first it will be tough, defenders will make mistakes playing the ball out from the back and it might also be not very entertaining. It may look like were unwilling to attack, their will be calls to get it up field into the mixer etc.

After watching the football we've been offered up this season surely the majority of fans can sacrifice a bit of goal action ...not that we've had a lot of that either for possession of the ball!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Boz on April 18, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: inside right on April 17, 2012, 08:57:18 PM
Gus Poyet for me has the hunger played at top level, When Brighton came to VP in the cup a few years back he had them well set up and they kept their shape also caused us a few problems.Has the South American passing and movement experience and will come with no pre conceived problems of managing Villa.Like Martinez he has plied his managerial trade at the lower leagues and now is the time to step up to the plate.Be bold Villa and take a chance Rodgers is an exciting young manager but his stint at Watford was nothing to shout about.

IMO, I'd prefer Poyet over Rodgers, as apart from Swansea, he was distinctly average.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
After the negativity that has swamped the support with the current encumbent, the next manager will start from a pretty good position - all that "he's not McLeish" stuff is going to guarantee a certain amount of goodwill.

See, I'm not convinced of that.

A new manager coming in will get a bit of time, but if results are poor the discussions on here will go something like this:-

"He needs time."

"We said that about McLeish."

"But he has a better track record than him."

"Not greatly and we've seen nothing from his Villa side to suggest we're on the right track."

"At least things are better than last season."

"Beign better than McTwat is no claim to fame.  We're Villa and we deserve better.  Randy has fucked up again"

If you look at the transfer thread, any new player being better than Heskey does not bring universal acceptance, which I think we'll see similar to if/when we get a new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on April 18, 2012, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
After the negativity that has swamped the support with the current encumbent, the next manager will start from a pretty good position - all that "he's not McLeish" stuff is going to guarantee a certain amount of goodwill.

See, I'm not convinced of that.

A new manager coming in will get a bit of time, but if results are poor the discussions on here will go something like this:-

"He needs time."

"We said that about McLeish."

"But he has a better track record than him."

"Not greatly and we've seen nothing from his Villa side to suggest we're on the right track."

"At least things are better than last season."

"Beign better than McTwat is no claim to fame.  We're Villa and we deserve better.  Randy has fucked up again"

If you look at the transfer thread, any new player being better than Heskey does not bring universal acceptance, which I think we'll see similar to if/when we get a new manager.

I have to say that I agree. It did not take us long to turn on Houllier and in fact some of the venom on here was quite strong. Every Villa manager gets a honeymoon period, but it does not take long for the restless masses to errrr become restless.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2012, 10:54:15 AM
That's because Houllier was another crap appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
The names being mentioned just shows how far we have fallen since that horrible little man walked out on us.
I don't know who I would want but we should not be looking at Martinez (relegation battle every year), Rodgers (not convinced - yet), Lambert (see Rodgers).
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results, if we had won 10 of our 14 draws then we would be on 55 and knocking on the door of the champions league. Now before anyone jumps on me I don't think McLeish is or ever was the man for the job because he is a poor man manager nothing to do with his style of play but the fact that he clearly can't get the players to stick to the plan. If he had instilled a never say die attitude then the style of play would not be highlighted as much

Now the problem we have is that Randy has already put £200M into the club and we have not made the champions league, the landscape has also changed, like it or not unless he is prepared to spend the same amount again we are only ever going to finish between 8-15 regardless of who the manager is. Sad but true.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results

Fully agree.

I remember us all laughing as WBA passed their way into the Championship.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 18, 2012, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Now the problem we have is that Randy has already put £200M into the club and we have not made the champions league, the landscape has also changed, like it or not unless he is prepared to spend the same amount again we are only ever going to finish between 8-15 regardless of who the manager is. Sad but true.

I don't think that is true though. Newcastle haven't had a huge amount of money ploughed into them, in fact quite the opposite. They sold that lumbering carthorse Carroll for an obscene amount of money and didn't spend it all. What they did have was a plan, a pre-determined style of play and a scouting network.

Tottenham are in free-fall, Arsenal are consistently inconsistent over the course of a season, Chelsea have had a crap season and will probably change most of their squad over the summer and Liverpool are making a one-club effort to buy every overpriced, average British player available. A place with the big boys was there for the taking this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on April 18, 2012, 11:30:54 AM
If he goes then we really do need a safe pair of hands to steady the ship, someone like Curbs for example. His appointment would not be an inspired one, but it would at least steady thing down after a couple of years of total turmoil.

It would of course be a real shame, as I think that there is decent talent out there right now if we are prepared to cast our net outside England. Over here for example we have De Boer at Ajax, Verbeek (Rod Hull lookalike) at AZ doing outstanding jobs. Hell even Koeman has exceeded all expectations and elevated Feyenoord back into Champs League contention.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
Critically depends on who the new man is (in theory) and how he is presented to the fans, how he communicates in a wider sense through the club, and the decisions he makes in the first couple of months.

If we bring someone in who is recognised as having made progress with a previous club, cultivated an attractive footballing style of play, has a track record of thriving within a modest transfer budget, has shown he can work with and develop young players, has a wider knowledge of football outside of the UK, can demonstrate an ability to source new signings outside of the hugely-inflated PL market, and is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad, I don't think we'll have a problem getting on board with what could genuinely be a project for the next few years.



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 18, 2012, 11:30:54 AM
Verbeek (Rod Hull lookalike)

That'll do for me!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
If we bring someone in who is recognised as having made progress with a previous club, cultivated an attractive footballing style of play, has a track record of thriving within a modest transfer budget, has shown he can work with and develop young players, has a wider knowledge of football outside of the UK, can demonstrate an ability to source new signings outside of the hugely-inflated PL market, and is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad, I don't think we'll have a problem getting on board with what could genuinely be a project for the next few years.

So, not a big list of requirements then!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results

Nah, distance me from that. If we were still 15th but we were there as a result of losing three or four more games, while winning one or two more, if we were playing a more positive style of football (just actually trying to win games, not even playing remotely like Barcelona), if the manager had actually trusted the likes of Bannan, N'Zogbia, Clark (don't think he started a league game until December, still barely seen at CB all season), Albrighton, Agbonlahor to play in positions that suited them best, and actively encouraged them to play their natural games, if we tried to make the most of one of the most effective strikers in the league, if there was a genuine indication that foundations were being laid for advancement, and there were signs of positivity, then yes, I'd take 15th. Hand on heart.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
If we bring someone in who is recognised as having made progress with a previous club, cultivated an attractive footballing style of play, has a track record of thriving within a modest transfer budget, has shown he can work with and develop young players, has a wider knowledge of football outside of the UK, can demonstrate an ability to source new signings outside of the hugely-inflated PL market, and is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad, I don't think we'll have a problem getting on board with what could genuinely be a project for the next few years.

So, not a big list of requirements then!

Not that big, really. Five or six qualities that I feel we need in a manager/coach. That's what we need to be aiming for. Certainly an improvement on: PL experience; won't ask any awkward questions; will say yes to the job.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
If we bring someone in who is recognised as having made progress with a previous club, cultivated an attractive footballing style of play, has a track record of thriving within a modest transfer budget, has shown he can work with and develop young players, has a wider knowledge of football outside of the UK, can demonstrate an ability to source new signings outside of the hugely-inflated PL market, and is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad, I don't think we'll have a problem getting on board with what could genuinely be a project for the next few years.

So, not a big list of requirements then!

Not that big, really. Five or six qualities that I feel we need in a manager/coach. That's what we need to be aiming for. Certainly an improvement on: PL experience; won't ask any awkward questions; will say yes to the job.

But can you think of a manager who meets all seven criteria you layed out?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on April 18, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
In MON's first season, although we were in the bottom half, we did play some attractive football and showed signs of potential for the coming seasons. We have been as far away from that as possible this season.

What we need is a manager who can develop talent and who has fresh outlook on the game. Also it would be nice if they could work in conjunction with a decent European scouting system that identifies affordable targets (not just youth players). I mean who were the last non-British players we bought, who hadn't played in the British Isles before, who then went on to flourish in the PL?.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 18, 2012, 12:19:54 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 18, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
In MON's first season, although we were in the bottom half, we did play some attractive football and showed signs of potential for the coming seasons. We have been as far away from that as possible this season.

What we need is a manager who can develop talent and who has fresh outlook on the game. Also it would be nice if they could work in conjunction with a decent European scouting system that identifies affordable targets (not just youth players). I mean who were the last non-British players we bought, who hadn't played in the British Isles before, who then went on to flourish in the PL?.

That year we played some of the best football of the MON era. Berger was on fire in the second half of that season. Shaun Maloney the following season was a beautiful player too. We became quite one dimensional in subsequent years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results

Fully agree.

I remember us all laughing as WBA passed their way into the Championship.


Total rubbish if we were playing a great passing game we wouldn't be finishing 15th! Its the only way to go long term if you want to succeed you either throw loads of money at a team or you play proper football and as we haven't got loads of money theirs only one option.

WBA didn't play a great passing game but they attempted too and maybe if they had stuck at it they would have been a better team for it in any case are you still laughing at them now?

Yes it is all about results but long term results not a few wins here and their. Swansea and Norwich may get found out next season who knows but currently who would you want to watch and play for us or them?

I hope they stick to their guns and play the same next year and I hope many more teams adopt the same attitude rather than the anti football we play.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on April 18, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
If we bring someone in who is recognised as having made progress with a previous club, cultivated an attractive footballing style of play, has a track record of thriving within a modest transfer budget, has shown he can work with and develop young players, has a wider knowledge of football outside of the UK, can demonstrate an ability to source new signings outside of the hugely-inflated PL market, and is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad, I don't think we'll have a problem getting on board with what could genuinely be a project for the next few years.

So, not a big list of requirements then!

Not that big, really. Five or six qualities that I feel we need in a manager/coach. That's what we need to be aiming for. Certainly an improvement on: PL experience; won't ask any awkward questions; will say yes to the job.

But can you think of a manager who meets all seven criteria you layed out?

I counted 8 because of this bit: "is willing to - and can cite examples of - ship out some of the dross in the squad..."

So not only does the new guy have to be willing to ship players out, but he must also have displayed a prior willingness to do this.

I don't think there are going to be too many managers that meet all of the above criteria to be honest, but it is only an opinion of what a new manager should be like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
Total rubbish if we were playing a great passing game we wouldn't be finishing 15th! Its the only way to go long term if you want to succeed you either throw loads of money at a team or you play proper football and as we haven't got loads of money theirs only one option.

WBA didn't play a great passing game but they attempted too and maybe if they had stuck at it they would have been a better team for it in any case are you still laughing at them now?

Yes it is all about results but long term results not a few wins here and their. Swansea and Norwich may get found out next season who knows but currently who would you want to watch and play for us or them?

I hope they stick to their guns and play the same next year and I hope many more teams adopt the same attitude rather than the anti football we play.

You can pass the ball around brilliantly and no nothing with it.  Wigan have been near bottom all season, despite passing it well, and Swansea play the best football bar Arsenal, yet only sit a little above us in the table.  So it's not total rubbish.

I'm not knocking the possession based game - it's something I'd like to see at Villa - but I dispute the theory that it's the solution to all our problems.  You get a good passing system going, but fail to deliver a good final ball or consistently fuck up at the back or lack a goal scorer and you'll still end up where we are now, more or less. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 01:08:55 PM
you want  a balance  and a mix.  quick counter attack football is just as exciting as any other .  but you want excitement
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on April 18, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
I think its time for another reminder.

Chris Hughton is our man.

All we need now is someone like Ferguson to recommend him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 18, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
This thread seems to imply McLeish is only 5 games away from the sack...

Randy is not going to pay the Blues 2m in compensation

Having paid him 2m for this season

and then sack him resulting in giving him a further 4m in compensation (or whatever they agree) as he still has 2 years left on his 4mil a year - 3 year deal.

Just cant see it happening...

This thread feels like a tease!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 01:27:30 PM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results, if we had won 10 of our 14 draws then we would be on 55 and knocking on the door of the champions league.

Well, if we were playing a great passing game "like Barcelona", we wouldn't be 15th, would we?

It's also not all about results in my opinion. It is also about entertainment - and it has been ever more so since the years in which football ticket prices started bearing no relation to reality.

Even if you take your asssertion that if we'd won 10 of our 14 draws etc, we would have found it far easier to get those wins, had we not had fewer shots on goal than pretty much anyone in the league this season we'd have had a much better chance of getting those wins, so even the process of getting results implies a higher level of entertainment anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on April 18, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Playing good football and getting results aren't mutually exclusive, a balance needs to be struck between the two. Chelsea under Mourinho didn't always play beautiful football, but won league championships. Stoke play awful football, but are currently enjoying some relative 'success' in stability and European football. On the other side of the coin you have West Brom under Mowbray, who played attractive, but weak losing football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pestria on April 18, 2012, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Now the problem we have is that Randy has already put £200M into the club and we have not made the champions league, the landscape has also changed, like it or not unless he is prepared to spend the same amount again we are only ever going to finish between 8-15 regardless of who the manager is. Sad but true.

Can we dispell the notion that he has 'put £200m into the club'.  He bought the club on the cheap for £80m ish.  He invested the rest in developing the squad and paying the staff he appointed.  As a result (and of football inflation) he has an asset now worth ?£150m.  In other words, his poor financial management has cost him £50m.

He hasn't 'given' this money away.  He hasn't put this money in the charity bucket.  He has made unwise investments.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 18, 2012, 01:43:05 PM
Not 'unwise', he's just managed them badly!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 18, 2012, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 18, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Playing good football and getting results aren't mutually exclusive, a balance needs to be struck between the two. Chelsea under Mourinho didn't always play beautiful football, but won league championships. Stoke play awful football, but are currently enjoying some relative 'success' in stability and European football. On the other side of the coin you have West Brom under Mowbray, who played attractive, but weak losing football.

There are always exceptions but, by and large, the teams who dominate more games and score more goals finish higher in the league, and those who sit back and allow the opposition to dictate what they do finish lower. Swansea will stay up with possession football, Wolves direct approach will take them down. In the battle at the moment, the better football of Wigan appears to have given them the advantage over long-ball merchants Blackburn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 18, 2012, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 18, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Playing good football and getting results aren't mutually exclusive, a balance needs to be struck between the two. Chelsea under Mourinho didn't always play beautiful football, but won league championships. Stoke play awful football, but are currently enjoying some relative 'success' in stability and European football. On the other side of the coin you have West Brom under Mowbray, who played attractive, but weak losing football.

There are always exceptions but, by and large, the teams who dominate more games and score more goals finish higher in the league, and those who sit back and allow the opposition to dictate what they do finish lower. Swansea will stay up with possession football, Wolves direct approach will take them down. In the battle at the moment, the better football of Wigan appears to have given them the advantage over long-ball merchants Blackburn.

I agree with glasses.

You mention the word 'dominate', yet you can easily use that word to describe how Stoke inflict their style on the opposition.  Man Utd, who are the best team of the last 20 years, weren't afraid to go longer to the likes of Hughes and RVN when they had them.  The sides with the best players win the most and the style they choose should be in relation to those players and what suits them best.  Chelsea under Mourinho is a great example.

As it goes right now, Villa should be playing a more passing style.  The reason?  Because it suits our players better.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
But can you think of a manager who meets all seven criteria you layed out?



Make it my job to, and I would. I don't really mean that as a dig or that I'm being evasive about the question, just that, if I were involved in the absolutely, absolutely vital process of recruiting the right manager for Aston Villa, I'd make bloody sure I'd have a shortlist of coaches who fit most of, if not all, those requirements. Some of which merge, really - modest budget, working with young players: a coach who has had relative success working within a club's means.

Come to think of it, Paul Lambert ticks every one of those boxes. But I'd also be looking at Championship clubs, reserve team managers at other PL clubs, overseas coaches.
Title: andy gray for villa manager
Post by: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 03:56:21 PM
COME ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about andy gray   he knows the game inside out ,,everyone knows him
what an appointment   you cant tell me he,d turn us down to sit next to richard hairy hand keys for the next 3 years when he could try and turn his beloved villa round  in one of there darkest eras of recent  times    ohhhhhhh ANDY ANDY   ANDYANDYANDYANDY ANDY GRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
Still DiMatteo for me.

The only way he will keep the Chelsea job is by winning the European cup and that isn't going to happen.

As soon as he get's the push we should be straight in there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 18, 2012, 04:37:50 PM
Quote from: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 03:56:21 PM
COME ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about andy gray   he knows the game inside out ,,everyone knows him
what an appointment   you cant tell me he,d turn us down to sit next to richard hairy hand keys for the next 3 years when he could try and turn his beloved villa round  in one of there darkest eras of recent  times    ohhhhhhh ANDY ANDY   ANDYANDYANDYANDY ANDY GRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I need to have a lie down after reading all of that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results

Nah, distance me from that. If we were still 15th but we were there as a result of losing three or four more games, while winning one or two more, if we were playing a more positive style of football (just actually trying to win games, not even playing remotely like Barcelona), if the manager had actually trusted the likes of Bannan, N'Zogbia, Clark (don't think he started a league game until December, still barely seen at CB all season), Albrighton, Agbonlahor to play in positions that suited them best, and actively encouraged them to play their natural games, if we tried to make the most of one of the most effective strikers in the league, if there was a genuine indication that foundations were being laid for advancement, and there were signs of positivity, then yes, I'd take 15th. Hand on heart.

Me three.  I do not expect us to win things and accept that our reality is around 15th place.
So if that is the case then I want us to try and entertain, trust the youngsters and ultimately have a bit of fun.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: stubbsyandy on April 18, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on April 18, 2012, 11:16:43 AM
Lets get one thing straight all those people saying we should appoint this man or that man because the football would be great ask yourself this, if we played a great passing game like Barcelona but were still 15th would people would still be moaning, its all about results

Nah, distance me from that. If we were still 15th but we were there as a result of losing three or four more games, while winning one or two more, if we were playing a more positive style of football (just actually trying to win games, not even playing remotely like Barcelona), if the manager had actually trusted the likes of Bannan, N'Zogbia, Clark (don't think he started a league game until December, still barely seen at CB all season), Albrighton, Agbonlahor to play in positions that suited them best, and actively encouraged them to play their natural games, if we tried to make the most of one of the most effective strikers in the league, if there was a genuine indication that foundations were being laid for advancement, and there were signs of positivity, then yes, I'd take 15th. Hand on heart.

Me three.  I do not expect us to win things and accept that our reality is around 15th place.
So if that is the case then I want us to try and entertain, trust the youngsters and ultimately have a bit of fun.
Agreed....and it would be great if people realised that we feel like this
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on April 18, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
It's not so much purely good football I want. I'd settle for an ability to string 3 passes together. I'd settle for a team that looks like they have some kind of a gameplan and players understand their roles.

Wolves aside, we've been the most consistently awful team in the league this season. Looking back over most of our points won compared to points lost, we've been lucky to get what have a lot more than we've been unlucky. It's no false position we're in by any stretch, and if not for some fortune here and there and Given keeping us in a lot of games (especially during our unbeaten run early on), we could be dead and buried by now. As bad as the teams below us have been, all of them have pulled off the odd standout result and had something like a run of form at some point. We haven't. Our unbeaten run had a major whiff of fortune about it, and never felt like we were progressing. It was ugly stuff to watch. Hideous football.

In retrospect now, O Neill's brand of football, that particularly in his last season began grating a lot, looks like Barca in comparison to where we are now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 18, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
Still DiMatteo for me.

The only way he will keep the Chelsea job is by winning the European cup and that isn't going to happen.

As soon as he get's the push we should be straight in there.


He can bring Wilkins and Zola with him too. We would have both respect and a decent chance of playing football!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on April 18, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
Quote from: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 03:56:21 PM
COME ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about andy gray   he knows the game inside out ,,everyone knows him
what an appointment   you cant tell me he,d turn us down to sit next to richard hairy hand keys for the next 3 years when he could try and turn his beloved villa round  in one of there darkest eras of recent  times    ohhhhhhh ANDY ANDY   ANDYANDYANDYANDY ANDY GRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the off chance you're being serious, can I just remind you that Andy Gray was assistant manager of a good Villa side in the 90s and pissed off to Sky without a second thought for a managerial career in general, or in particular, us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 05:42:39 PM
Quote from: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 03:56:21 PM
COME ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about andy gray   he knows the game inside out ,,everyone knows him
what an appointment   you cant tell me he,d turn us down to sit next to richard hairy hand keys for the next 3 years when he could try and turn his beloved villa round  in one of there darkest eras of recent  times    ohhhhhhh ANDY ANDY   ANDYANDYANDYANDY ANDY GRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You must be joking.

Unless you're on about the black Andy Gray we had.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 06:05:42 PM
no im not joking
randy lerners joking appointing houlier and then mcliesh
and we all must be joking if we say we are going to watch anymore of the disgusting rubbish thats being churned out   andy gray  could he do worse ?   no  only if he got us relegated ,,,thats if it dont happen in the next three weeks anyway
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
I've been having a think about this today.

Martinez seems to be the popular choice at the moment, but i have my doubts. He seems to make hard work of keeping Wigan in the Prem every season which dont get me wrong he's done well at doing. He's not under any pressure there either. If he took them down, he'd most likely be given the chance to bring them back up. Could he hack the pressure here?

Lambert has got Norwich through two straight promotions and kept them up with ease. I can't say i've seen a great deal of them but i'd choose him over Martinez.

I don't know why but i think Rogers (another one who's done a great job) will get found out year and again, he's another one who'd not under a great deal of pressure.

My choice would be Chris Houghton. He's coached and been assistant manager at Spurs. Got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking and really should'nt have lost his job. Small Heath fans would have been happy with mid table considering what's gone on there but he could get them back up and even if he dose'nt, he's done yet another decent job. I think he'd be ideal.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 18, 2012, 06:13:06 PM
No idea whether these recent press reports are true about change in the summer, but I woulf love for Randy to recommit as owner by employing Sir Graham as chairman, and having him oversee a complete change in our structure from this point on. If that means a completely different approach with a Director of Football and head coach then so be it. The club needs to take a very deep breath and examine what was meant to be when Randy arrived and why we are a million miles from it. As a fan, I want to be assured that the custodians of the club are looking after my interests as a patron of the club and in doing so addressing both the club's short, medium and long term objectives.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2012, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 06:05:42 PM
no im not joking
randy lerners joking appointing houlier and then mcliesh
and we all must be joking if we say we are going to watch anymore of the disgusting rubbish thats being churned out   andy gray  could he do worse ?   no  only if he got us relegated ,,,thats if it dont happen in the next three weeks anyway

Andy, we're not going to let you be our manager, go and open an Asda or something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 12:21:02 PM
Total rubbish if we were playing a great passing game we wouldn't be finishing 15th! Its the only way to go long term if you want to succeed you either throw loads of money at a team or you play proper football and as we haven't got loads of money theirs only one option.

WBA didn't play a great passing game but they attempted too and maybe if they had stuck at it they would have been a better team for it in any case are you still laughing at them now?

Yes it is all about results but long term results not a few wins here and their. Swansea and Norwich may get found out next season who knows but currently who would you want to watch and play for us or them?

I hope they stick to their guns and play the same next year and I hope many more teams adopt the same attitude rather than the anti football we play.

You can pass the ball around brilliantly and no nothing with it.  Wigan have been near bottom all season, despite passing it well, and Swansea play the best football bar Arsenal, yet only sit a little above us in the table.  So it's not total rubbish.

I'm not knocking the possession based game - it's something I'd like to see at Villa - but I dispute the theory that it's the solution to all our problems.  You get a good passing system going, but fail to deliver a good final ball or consistently fuck up at the back or lack a goal scorer and you'll still end up where we are now, more or less. 

I wouldn't say Wigan pass it round brilliantly they attempt too at times which is why they get good results but at other times they revert back and Swansea have only just got into the premiership and haven't had time too establish themselves so have done exceptionally well while still playing the passing game.

Weve never been out of the premiership so with our history and size of Club we should be able to attract decent players and yet we are further away from competing then we have ever been.
A good passing system will always end up creating chances that's the whole point you wear down the opposition as they are chasing after the ball all the time which creates space and openings your strikers don't have to be exceptional to get chances but it helps if you have them obviously
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 18, 2012, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
I've been having a think about this today.

Martinez seems to be the popular choice at the moment, but i have my doubts. He seems to make hard work of keeping Wigan in the Prem every season which dont get me wrong he's done well at doing. He's not under any pressure there either. If he took them down, he'd most likely be given the chance to bring them back up. Could he hack the pressure here?

Lambert has got Norwich through two straight promotions and kept them up with ease. I can't say i've seen a great deal of them but i'd choose him over Martinez.

I don't know why but i think Rogers (another one who's done a great job) will get found out year and again, he's another one who'd not under a great deal of pressure.

My choice would be Chris Houghton. He's coached and been assistant manager at Spurs. Got Newcastle back up at the first time of asking and really should'nt have lost his job. Small Heath fans would have been happy with mid table considering what's gone on there but he could get them back up and even if he dose'nt, he's done yet another decent job. I think he'd be ideal.




Alex Ferguson, Pep and the special one would make hard work of keeping Wigan in the Prem
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on April 18, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 18, 2012, 04:33:54 PM
Still DiMatteo for me.

The only way he will keep the Chelsea job is by winning the European cup and that isn't going to happen.


Yeah agreed I don't think he is high enough profile for Chelsea so he is a great shout. He would be be able to attract some foreign signings and from what I saw of WBA they were playing decent football
As soon as he get's the push we should be straight in there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
Hodgson or Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Boz on April 19, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
Hodgson or Martinez.

Hodgson, please not another dinosaur.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 19, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: Boz on April 19, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
Hodgson or Martinez.

Hodgson, please not another dinosaur.

If you look at the job he's done with Fulham and WBA, who both have similar budgets to ours right now, he would be the very definition of 'a safe pair of hands'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 19, 2012, 03:19:27 PM


  Have to say MF, when you suggested RDM, i laughed at the thought of it, but having watched Chelsk last night, and the way they were set up, and more importantly the way the team knew how to exploit Barcas weakness was very impressive and your suggestion quite logical.

  That assumes of course that Chelsk keep acting in their jumped up way and have to go for "a name", thus allowing RDM to apply for the upcoming vacancy at VP.

 Would'nt be against the idea tbh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 03:27:17 PM
Quote from: Boz on April 19, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
Hodgson or Martinez.

Hodgson, please not another dinosaur.

Excellent manager and a decent bloke.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 19, 2012, 03:36:17 PM
RDM is a good shout. But, we need a long-term manager. If RDM was a success with Villa, how long before Chelsea come calling?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 19, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
i want a bloke in his late 30's early 40's who we will all stick by through the years where he starts building his dynasty. thats why im so adamant that it has to be a villa man through and through so we ALL back him, sir alex tosspot did bugger all from 86-91 really. but he was given time by the majority of the fans.
we need to be realistic i dont think we will compete for the premier league title as it stands now ever again. i think there will be so kind of over haul of the league within the next few years which will include some kind of break away or split and once this happens teams like Villa, Everton, Newcastle etc etc will have to start scrapping it out for the new for of league what ever it may be.
in all honesty i am happy to be competitive in a cup and would like to see more of Europe with avfc and if that ment building slowly with say laursen, petrov, mellberg or southgate coming in under a director of football or as a number 2 for a few years and building up a legacy that our fantastic academy can work with and drill into the gary gardners, barry bannans, marc albrightons, and clarke's of the future that this is aston villa this is where you want to be and this is where you will win things if you stick around and work with us, i would prefer to finish 9th with 10 academy than 6th with 10 players on 60-80k a week im sure the vast majority would and i'd wager that most long term villa fans share this feeling.
we also have to remember we picked up a few "glory hunters" during the mon era as it looked like we were going places and we have lost most of them over the last 2 seasons but you will still find the odd one here or there spreading discontent weather its in the pub or in the stands who think its our god given right to be top 6 and competing for silver wear year on year, for these people i'll say this i started watching villa in 89, i was 5 none of my family were villa and only my cousin was even into footy and he was tescos bags my first 3 live games were baggies ipswitch 0-0 1994 at hawthornes, next was chelsea baggies 1994 at hawthornes 6-0 and then villa baggies at villa park in 1999 or 2000 fa cup 4th round by this time my cusian had failed to convert me and my mom had re married and my new man u supporting step dad had given up trying to convert me to the dark side of football and at 15 took me to see the 4th round tie. since 2000 i have held season tickets on and off have been to most cup games, virtually every european game moved abroad and started going to benfica games week in week out and came home. in the last 12 years of going to live games i have only once ever felt we were going to win a cup and it wasn't during the mon era, it was gregorys villa in the quarter or semi of the fa cup vs leeds at villa park. merson was a god on the pitch that day until he split his head open and carbone scored the best goal i have seen live 3-2 to us it finished.
we need to take a step back and start to think of ourselves as also rans and hope of a good cup run in the same way everton, wigan and sunderland do and i genually think if we drop our expectations whoever takes over will have the room needed to make us great again but it wont happen over night. look at man city 600 million quid on transfers i'd bet almost the same in wages to, 1.2 billion pounds for an fa cup and 6 games in the champions league but there arnt forming lynch mobs in the streets for bobby manc are they.

sorry for rattling on but i do feel we the fans are a massive problem down the villa and the 4th best team in the history of english league football is thrown around a little to often as 6 of our 7 first division titles were pre 1911, 6 of our 7 fa cups were pre 1921,  and whilst they should never be discounted for bragging right vs other teams supporters and such, but they should never be used as a measuring stick of what we should expect now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 19, 2012, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 19, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
If you look at the job he's done with Fulham and WBA, who both have similar budgets to ours right now, he would be the very definition of 'a safe pair of hands'.

You’re probably right about Hodgson being a ‘safe pair of hands’ but that in many ways is the problem.  He’ll take us so far but I cannot see him pushing us to the next level (i.e. reguarly qualifying for europe).  I’d prefer us to take a risk on a younger manager (the guy at MK Dons for example?).

As I have said before (I apologies), I’d like to see us have a DoF as then this guy can be the continuity and the ‘safe pair of hands’ allowing us to be more adventurous with with the selection of head coach/manager. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 19, 2012, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on April 19, 2012, 03:19:27 PM


  Have to say MF, when you suggested RDM, i laughed at the thought of it, but having watched Chelsk last night, and the way they were set up, and more importantly the way the team knew how to exploit Barcas weakness was very impressive and your suggestion quite logical.

  That assumes of course that Chelsk keep acting in their jumped up way and have to go for "a name", thus allowing RDM to apply for the upcoming vacancy at VP.

 Would'nt be against the idea tbh.

I'm certain they'll get rid of him, the only chance he has is if he does the near impossible of winning the Champions League.
I can see them getting beat about 3-0 at Barcelona and then the Ruski will intensify a search for a big name.

I really think DiMatteo could offer a lot to us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:06:55 PM
I'd take RDM in a flash, but then I'm pretty fucking desperate
Title: Re: andy gray for villa manager
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 19, 2012, 06:11:49 PM
Quote from: planet9 on April 18, 2012, 03:56:21 PM
COME ON,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what about andy gray   he knows the game inside out ,,everyone knows him
what an appointment   you cant tell me he,d turn us down to sit next to richard hairy hand keys for the next 3 years when he could try and turn his beloved villa round  in one of there darkest eras of recent  times    ohhhhhhh ANDY ANDY   ANDYANDYANDYANDY ANDY GRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The tea lady would be in tears every day... and could we afford the sexual,harassment lawsuits?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villasjf on April 19, 2012, 06:16:57 PM
And Bella, seriously though he knows his football and I have always thought if he had stayed with BFR we would have won the league that year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 19, 2012, 06:20:41 PM
The one thing i'd have against Di Matteo is my best mate is a Baggie and he said the word was the main reason they got rid of him wasn't the bad run they were on, it was the fact that he kept sniffing around other jobs behind their backs.

Do we want someone who will be trying to bugger off in 6 or 12 months meaning we have to go through the whole manager search again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 19, 2012, 06:21:32 PM
Was impressed with Di Matteo at the Olbiyun, thought he was one to watch out for.  Was very surprised when he was given the bullet.

Wouldn't be against the idea at all, but now that he's managed Chelsea dealing with some of our shithouses who struggle to even trap a ball might be a bit of a comedown.

If he does well there, I expect he'll be looking for a club that can at least offer European football (more likely CL). He'd get no shortage of offers in his homeland and might even be offered mental money by some of Roman's mates in Russia.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
he was quite succesfull at MK Dons,
 but word around here had it that he was a bit lazy, left an awful lot of the coaching to the backroom staf, not as bad as Ince though, he could rarely be bothered to turn up at training

depends who the backroom staff are i suppose, in our case we should be OK
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on April 19, 2012, 08:43:59 PM
Paul Lambert would be my choice.  But would he come here?  Doubt it very much - how times change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 19, 2012, 08:57:06 PM
Lambert has done exceptionally well at Norwich, but his methods still seem a bit 'old school.'

Nowt necessarily wrong with that, if it works it works.

I defy anyone to say that they didn't enjoy our football in 2007/08, when we bagged 70+  goals in the league.  A large chunk of those were from set pieces and crosses from open play.  But there was nearly always excitement, and we looked like we had goals in us regardless of the opposition.

The bit I've seen of Norwich  (admittedly not loads) they seem to rely a lot on crosses from out wide and Holt knocking them in.

Next manager (whoever he is - and whenever that vacancy occurs)  provides us with an opportunity to move with the times.  To lay the foundations for a more progressive style of play. I hope we take that opportunity, so -for me- that would mean giving Lambert the swerve.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 09:00:44 PM
Completely agree, KG. Horses for courses and all that, and I think the last thing we need is more MONball.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 19, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
It was a bold move to bring in GH last year especially as he had to work with players so out of touch with his brand of football and no way of replacing them until January. He tried to get them to play and although it was not working we should have persevered with it and brought in a manager to carry this on.

Why go down the route we did last summer I'll never know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SashasGrandad on April 19, 2012, 09:15:22 PM
Lambert would never work.

When would a manager from Norwich City ever have success at the Villa?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 20, 2012, 07:11:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chrisbevan/2012/04/ranieri_relishes_return_to_eng.html

Has he been spotted staying at the Belfry yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 20, 2012, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on April 19, 2012, 09:15:22 PM
Lambert would never work.

When would a manager from Norwich City ever have success at the Villa?

Very good Im still chuckling!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 20, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
I personally would give Jamie Carragher a shot. Its well known that hes very knowledgeable on world football, lives and breathes the game so we are told and has the authority to get the best out of players.

I know he talks in a foreign language but hes going to be a very good manager given the time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 20, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 20, 2012, 07:11:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chrisbevan/2012/04/ranieri_relishes_return_to_eng.html

Has he been spotted staying at the Belfry yet.

Terrible manager.

Always getting sacked.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.

Agreed. Not a bad shout at all. With a manager like Martinez or Rodgers under his wing it could be something to get behind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.

Agreed. Not a bad shout at all. With a manager like Martinez or Rodgers under his wing it could be something to get behind.

To elaborate, what we need at Villa is someone respected enough that everybody in the game would take a call from them. The people off the pitch have many abilities but they don't command such respect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
And if he shags a few models now and then, well, what harm?

I'm down with Svennis building a bit of a network for us and allowing a young manager to get on wth the onfield activities.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Cuz on April 20, 2012, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.

Agreed. Not a bad shout at all. With a manager like Martinez or Rodgers under his wing it could be something to get behind.

To elaborate, what we need at Villa is someone respected enough that everybody in the game would take a call from them. The people off the pitch have many abilities but they don't command such respect.

Would be nice if someone like yourself got asked their opinion......just a thought Villa Board
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 20, 2012, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.

Agreed. Not a bad shout at all. With a manager like Martinez or Rodgers under his wing it could be something to get behind.

To elaborate, what we need at Villa is someone respected enough that everybody in the game would take a call from them. The people off the pitch have many abilities but they don't command such respect.

Would be nice if someone like yourself got asked their opinion......just a thought Villa Board

No thanks. I get blamed enough without anything being my fault.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 20, 2012, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 20, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 19, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
Sven!

Would be a good shout for DoF. Knowledgeable, respected, contacts throughout the world and might fancy getting away from the day to day slog of management.

Agreed. Not a bad shout at all. With a manager like Martinez or Rodgers under his wing it could be something to get behind.

To elaborate, what we need at Villa is someone respected enough that everybody in the game would take a call from them. The people off the pitch have many abilities but they don't command such respect.

Would be nice if someone like yourself got asked their opinion......just a thought Villa Board

No thanks. I get blamed enough without anything being my fault.

If Sven comes I'll know it's all over. Time to give it all up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 20, 2012, 10:33:21 PM
I wouldn't mind Sven as Director of Football but it just seems that most British Isles managers will not accept working with one. As we only appoint those with "Premier League experience" it seems a non-starter.

I'd go for an up and coming manager who'd be willing to work for a pittance like, say, only £1m a year. Spend loads of money on compiling the best scouting network north of Arsenal. Concentrate on Croatia, as they are joining the EU all their players will be available without a work permit soon. Get in quick before the other teams do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Unfortunately Sven is only interested in money and profile, nothing that AVFC could offer him at present... thankfully.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Haven't Spurs got one?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 20, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

Problem with that is that a joint manager position never works so you'd have to pick one over the other. Then would the other one get pissed off and leave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 20, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

That sort of misses the point, for me. In this country, some clubs have attempted to combine the DoF with a traditional British-style manager. You can't do the thing half-arsed like that - if you're going to have that structure in a club, you need to go all the way, and hire head coaches, sporting directors, heads of scouting etc, who all have equal say - not subservient to the manager, in other words.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

I don't think they want to be managers. If they did they would have gone for another job by now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 20, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

I don't think they want to be managers. If they did they would have gone for another job by now.
They are happy as they are. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 20, 2012, 10:58:09 PM
They might not get to stay as they are if a new bloke comes in and decides he wants a clear-out. I reckon Sid would jump at the chance to be manager of Villa, but wouldn't necessarily be willing to give up his current Villa job to take a chance managing somewhere like Aldershot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 20, 2012, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on April 20, 2012, 10:58:09 PM
They might not get to stay as they are if a new bloke comes in and decides he wants a clear-out. I reckon Sid would jump at the chance to be manager of Villa, but wouldn't necessarily be willing to give up his current Villa job to take a chance managing somewhere like Aldershot.

He is, as far as I am aware, happy as he is, and his family is Sutton based. A manager only has a short shelf-llfe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Has never and would never work here. See Dennis Wise.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 20, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Haven't Spurs got one?

Spurs, Chelsea, Citeh, Newcastle all have staff between management and owners that identify players, I believe.

We really need to get away from the tired old management format we've got in place now. Player recruitment has moved on from signing the better players from the clubs below us and selling our better players to the ones above us.

Get a quality coach. If they have to have Premier League experience then Hodgson or Martinez are both flexible coaches who spend their time on the training pitch.

You'd imagine they'd know this with the 'Ajax approach' they're talking about and a crop of technically capable kids. Why on earth we've this scrappy manager I'll never know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 20, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 20, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Haven't Spurs got one?

Spurs, Chelsea, Citeh, Newcastle all have staff between management and owners that identify players, I believe.

We really need to get away from the tired old management format we've got in place now. Player recruitment has moved on from signing the better players from the clubs below us and selling our better players to the ones above us.

Get a quality coach. If they have to have Premier League experience then Hodgson or Martinez are both flexible coaches who spend their time on the training pitch.

You'd imagine they'd know this with the 'Ajax approach' they're talking about and a crop of technically capable kids. Why on earth we've this scrappy manager I'll never know.

Am I making it up or has Paul Faulkner talked of this type of management model in the past?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 20, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 20, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Haven't Spurs got one?

Spurs, Chelsea, Citeh, Newcastle all have staff between management and owners that identify players, I believe.

We really need to get away from the tired old management format we've got in place now. Player recruitment has moved on from signing the better players from the clubs below us and selling our better players to the ones above us.

Get a quality coach. If they have to have Premier League experience then Hodgson or Martinez are both flexible coaches who spend their time on the training pitch.

You'd imagine they'd know this with the 'Ajax approach' they're talking about and a crop of technically capable kids. Why on earth we've this scrappy manager I'll never know.

Am I making it up or has Paul Faulkner talked of this type of management model in the past?

I can't remember him ever saying it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 20, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Has never and would never work here. See Dennis Wise.

Who was pretty much replaced with Graham Carr.

And since he's been in this position he's been credited with the signings of:
Gosling, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba, Marveux, Cabaye, Obertan, Santon and Cisse.

Working above two different coaches.

A system like this is far more stable than we use currently. It'd enable us not to have a complete revamp whenever we change manager.

Swansea, Wigan, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle all do it and have had relative success in recent years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on April 20, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Nicky Hammond at Reading
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 20, 2012, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Has never and would never work here. See Dennis Wise.

Who was pretty much replaced with Graham Carr.

And since he's been in this position he's been credited with the signings of:
Gosling, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Ba, Marveux, Cabaye, Obertan, Santon and Cisse.

Working above two different coaches.

A system like this is far more stable than we use currently. It'd enable us not to have a complete revamp whenever we change manager.

Swansea, Wigan, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle all do it and have had relative success in recent years.

Good point, well made.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 20, 2012, 11:40:01 PM
I'd like to see it given a chance but think it might be too imaginative a move for us I'm afraid. Would Curbishley/Bruce/McCarthy be willing to work with a Director of Football?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 21, 2012, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

Spurs do. Chelsea have Frank Arsnsen. Cammoli was at Liverpool until recently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Think Haughton would be a good choice, and it would be a chance to piss our neighbours off also ;D  Outside of that Martinez would also be worth a punt as he is just getting better with more experience and I think he would work well with our younger players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on April 22, 2012, 04:17:05 PM
As with players, I'm always wary of one-season wonder managers, but Lambert or Rodgers would be safe bets for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 22, 2012, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

I don't think they want to be managers. If they did they would have gone for another job by now.

Mac wanted the forest job , he did not even get an interview.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Think Haughton would be a good choice, and it would be a chance to piss our neighbours off also ;D  Outside of that Martinez would also be worth a punt as he is just getting better with more experience and I think he would work well with our younger players.
Hughton will stay at the STy, I would guess.
Why on earth would Martinez be more likely to join us this year than last?

If RL decides to get rid - which is a massive assumption - the options will be even more constrained than last year, IMO. Many managers already in the P'ship will look at the Villa job as a poisoned chalice or a sideways move. Thus, RL will have to either source a replacement from overseas, bring in one of those currently out of work or go into the lower reaches.

The choices are not great.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2012, 06:53:51 PM
Quote from: EffDee on April 22, 2012, 06:31:23 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Think Haughton would be a good choice, and it would be a chance to piss our neighbours off also ;D  Outside of that Martinez would also be worth a punt as he is just getting better with more experience and I think he would work well with our younger players.
Hughton will stay at the STy, I would guess.
Why on earth would Martinez be more likely to join us this year than last?

If RL decides to get rid - which is a massive assumption - the options will be even more constrained than last year, IMO. Many managers already in the P'ship will look at the Villa job as a poisoned chalice or a sideways move. Thus, RL will have to either source a replacement from overseas, bring in one of those currently out of work or go into the lower reaches.

The choices are not great.

Plenty of decent coaches abroad that would come to us purely because of the payrise that it would represent so as long as we drop the premiership experience bollocks then we could do well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 22, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Think Haughton would be a good choice

Ray Haughton? Or Houghton?
Or do you mean Hughton.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 22, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 22, 2012, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:13:28 PM
Think Haughton would be a good choice

Ray Haughton? Or Houghton?
Or do you mean Hughton.

Sorry.

Wasn't Haughton off the Vicar of Dibley?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2012, 09:59:25 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 20, 2012, 10:46:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 20, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Can people cite one single instance of the director of football model working in this country? I have to say it completely escapes me

That sort of misses the point, for me. In this country, some clubs have attempted to combine the DoF with a traditional British-style manager. You can't do the thing half-arsed like that - if you're going to have that structure in a club, you need to go all the way, and hire head coaches, sporting directors, heads of scouting etc, who all have equal say - not subservient to the manager, in other words.

I think that Mourinho fellow did ok at Chelsea with Frank Arnesen as DoF. Like anything if the boundaries are set and agreed by all parties in advance there is no problem. To be fair Houllier was really a wannabe DoF and one of the  may problems was his hire (GaryMac) was antagonstic to players (probably under Houllier's direction) and with zero prior connection to Villa then it was doomed to fail. Pleat did a similar role with Jol at Spurs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan from luton on April 22, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 22, 2012, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

I don't think they want to be managers. If they did they would have gone for another job by now.

Mac wanted the forest job , he did not even get an interview.

I am sure Syd dont want to be manager, not so sure about MacDonald. With the emphasis on youth, they would be ideal IMHO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Porky on April 22, 2012, 10:08:30 PM
We all have our views, but it comes down to who will come and how much our current owner will back them per season and results. We have a very good youth/reserve set up etc, the scouting needs to be better though.

My first choice with backing would be Ray Wilkins and HIS coaching staff/team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on April 22, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
Claudio Ranieri (out of work presently) or David Moyes (taken cashless Everton as far as he can?).

There'd be no point though without funds being made available - over to you, Mr Lerner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan from luton on April 22, 2012, 10:12:54 PM
Porky, Ray Wilkins is a great shout, talks a lot of sense and think he could be great with the kids
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 22, 2012, 10:13:50 PM
Ranieri, Di Matteo, Villas-Boas, Martinez.

I don't care which one, just throw money at them until they come.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 22, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 22, 2012, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 20, 2012, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on April 20, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
If we aint got any money, give Kevin Macdonald and Syd the job

I don't think they want to be managers. If they did they would have gone for another job by now.

Mac wanted the forest job , he did not even get an interview.

Suprises me that he wasn't given an interview. He's managed the team before and didn't do a terrible job; I think the 6-0 defeat at Newcastle is a blotch on the record that's been blown way out of proportion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 22, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Benitez, Martinez, Lambert, Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Di Matteo (if he doesn't get the Chelsea job). These would be my top choices. Benitez is the best of them.

Left field choices would be: Ranieri, Hughton, Poyet, Wilkins, Southgate (!),  Laursen (!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 22, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 22, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Benitez, Martinez, Lambert, Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Di Matteo (if he doesn't get the Chelsea job). These would be my top choices. Benitez is the best of them.

Left field choices would be: Ranieri, Hughton, Poyet, Wilkins, Southgate (!),  Laursen (!)

I tell you what, I may over-idolize him as a player, but I'm convinced that within the next ten years Martin Laursen will return to B6 as manager. Currently managing in the Danish second division East if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on April 22, 2012, 10:32:40 PM
Glenn Hoddle. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 23, 2012, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 22, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 22, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Benitez, Martinez, Lambert, Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Di Matteo (if he doesn't get the Chelsea job). These would be my top choices. Benitez is the best of them.

Left field choices would be: Ranieri, Hughton, Poyet, Wilkins, Southgate (!),  Laursen (!)

I tell you what, I may over-idolize him as a player, but I'm convinced that within the next ten years Martin Laursen will return to B6 as manager. Currently managing in the Danish second division East if I'm not mistaken.

Martin Laursen just seemed to fit in really well at villa. He was a real leader who threw himself into everything for the cause.  If he ever makes it as a manager I'd love to see him back at the club. I think we'd be the right club for him to manage and he'd come with prior knowledge of our structural deficiencies.

Could be wishful thinking of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 23, 2012, 09:08:33 AM
I'd be keen to get him in the coaching set up but he's nowhere near qualified to manage a Premier League club at the moment. Mind you, neither is Ale... ah never mind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 23, 2012, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 22, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 22, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Benitez, Martinez, Lambert, Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Di Matteo (if he doesn't get the Chelsea job). These would be my top choices. Benitez is the best of them.

Left field choices would be: Ranieri, Hughton, Poyet, Wilkins, Southgate (!),  Laursen (!)

I tell you what, I may over-idolize him as a player, but I'm convinced that within the next ten years Martin Laursen will return to B6 as manager. Currently managing in the Danish second division East if I'm not mistaken.

Martin Laursen just seemed to fit in really well at villa. He was a real leader who threw himself into everything for the cause.  If he ever makes it as a manager I'd love to see him back at the club. I think we'd be the right club for him to manage and he'd come with prior knowledge of our structural deficiencies.

Could be wishful thinking of course.


nothing wrong with a bit of wishfull thinking, sometimes its all we got.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on April 23, 2012, 09:24:11 AM
Couldn't agree more with Laursen, a Villa guy and just the sort of left field thinking we need. I suspect the reality is the gingerone will get ten games of next season and a summer of wheeler dealering based on freebies and cash from sales with Randy committing nothing by way of new money.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
I don't know why people think an ex defender is going to make a great manager, what experience does he have?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 10:37:58 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
I don't know why people think an ex defender is going to make a great manager, what experience does he have?

about the same as Pep Guardiola had when he took over at Barcalona, maybe more actually
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
I'm pretty sure we need to get him on the coaching first, he may not even want it? So Guardiola had no managment experience whatsoever before he got the Barca job?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
I'm pretty sure we need to get him on the coaching first, he may not even want it? So Guardiola had no managment experience whatsoever before he got the Barca job?


he looked after the reserves for a year if that counts
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.

cause he did,
 i'm not calling for Laursen, just saying that the right man isnt always the one that ticks all the boxes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
I've always been against giving the job of manager to a popular ex-player, because it smacks of desperation, and doesn't take into any account their actual ability for the job.  However, McLeish has done such a spectacularly awful job that it's hard to imagine ANYBODY doing a worse job, and at least sombody like Laursen would stand a chance of having everybody unite behind him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 23, 2012, 11:04:50 AM
Laursen was last of 11 names I mentioned. It was a left field suggestion. Why not?

Personally I'd rather see him rally the troops in the dressing room than Alex McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 23, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
Forget laursen- we need someone with managerial experience and paul lambert has impressed me at all 3 clubs hes managed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.

cause he did,
 i'm not calling for Laursen, just saying that the right man isnt always the one that ticks all the boxes

What boxes? It's same when the Geordies wanted Shearer in charge. We need a manger based on ability / track record - not an emotional one. As said get him in as coach, for a few years time to be a potential manager.

Woy at Wets Bwom for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Well at least Laursen is leaning his trade at the bottom with some crap Danish 2nd division outfit.  Probably a much better grounding than being parachuted straight into the Premier League.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 23, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
We have good coaches in place and we need a DOF type figure anyway.  So, with both of those taken into account, I think someone like Laursen makes sense as a figurehead and motivational figure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.

cause he did,
 i'm not calling for Laursen, just saying that the right man isnt always the one that ticks all the boxes

What boxes? It's same when the Geordies wanted Shearer in charge. We need a manger based on ability / track record - not an emotional one. As said get him in as coach, for a few years time to be a potential manager.


Agree with this.

It's too easy to go for the emotional option, and the Shearer example is a very good one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
I've always been against giving the job of manager to a popular ex-player, because it smacks of desperation, and doesn't take into any account their actual ability for the job.  However, McLeish has done such a spectacularly awful job that it's hard to imagine ANYBODY doing a worse job, and at least sombody like Laursen would stand a chance of having everybody unite behind him.

Precisely, Mcleish's ineptitude has made it a much easier job for whoever follows him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Well at least Laursen is leaning his trade at the bottom with some crap Danish 2nd division outfit.  Probably a much better grounding than being parachuted straight into the Premier League.

Exactly, one for a few years time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
I've always been against giving the job of manager to a popular ex-player, because it smacks of desperation, and doesn't take into any account their actual ability for the job.  However, McLeish has done such a spectacularly awful job that it's hard to imagine ANYBODY doing a worse job, and at least sombody like Laursen would stand a chance of having everybody unite behind him.

Precisely, Mcleish's ineptitude has made it a much easier job for whoever follows him.


it was a cunning plan
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on April 23, 2012, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:45:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
I've always been against giving the job of manager to a popular ex-player, because it smacks of desperation, and doesn't take into any account their actual ability for the job.  However, McLeish has done such a spectacularly awful job that it's hard to imagine ANYBODY doing a worse job, and at least sombody like Laursen would stand a chance of having everybody unite behind him.

Precisely, Mcleish's ineptitude has made it a much easier job for whoever follows him.


it was a cunning plan

Always suspected a cunning stunt or something similar in mcleishs case.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: fredm on April 23, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 23, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
We have good coaches in place and we need a DOF type figure anyway.  So, with both of those taken into account, I think someone like Laursen makes sense as a figurehead and motivational figure.

If we have such good coaches in place why has the football we have been witnessing, not just this season but preceding seasons also, been so god damn awful?

And please, don't say it is all due to the manager, surely coaches are there to tell people how to pass and move, how to move at throw ins etc. etc. etc.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 23, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 23, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 23, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
We have good coaches in place and we need a DOF type figure anyway.  So, with both of those taken into account, I think someone like Laursen makes sense as a figurehead and motivational figure.

If we have such good coaches in place why has the football we have been witnessing, not just this season but preceding seasons also, been so god damn awful?

And please, don't say it is all due to the manager, surely coaches are there to tell people how to pass and move, how to move at throw ins etc. etc. etc.



The coaches we have now, Sid and K-Mac, did not have any 1st team duties under MON.  The football was a lot better under GH, even if the results weren't there.  Look at our youth and reserve sides to see what they are coaching into players when they have the freedom.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: fredm on April 23, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 23, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 23, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 23, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
We have good coaches in place and we need a DOF type figure anyway.  So, with both of those taken into account, I think someone like Laursen makes sense as a figurehead and motivational figure.

If we have such good coaches in place why has the football we have been witnessing, not just this season but preceding seasons also, been so god damn awful?

And please, don't say it is all due to the manager, surely coaches are there to tell people how to pass and move, how to move at throw ins etc. etc. etc.



The coaches we have now, Sid and K-Mac, did not have any 1st team duties under MON.  The football was a lot better under GH, even if the results weren't there.  Look at our youth and reserve sides to see what they are coaching into players when they have the freedom.

Sorry John, when you say "they have the freedom" do you mean the coaches, so they can coach how they wish, or players, who can play with freedom in the youth/reserves?

If it is the latter, then if they do not have the mental application to be able to transfer their ability in the youth/reserves onto the first team stage, then they will never hold down a first team spot.  Maybe it is this mental application that has prevented the numerous "hopes" in the past to achieve this goal?  Maybe our coaches do not instill this mental toughness into them during their formative years?  Perhaps our coaches are "too nice"?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 23, 2012, 12:48:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.

cause he did,
 i'm not calling for Laursen, just saying that the right man isnt always the one that ticks all the boxes

What boxes? It's same when the Geordies wanted Shearer in charge. We need a manger based on ability / track record - not an emotional one. As said get him in as coach, for a few years time to be a potential manager.


Agree with this.

It's too easy to go for the emotional option, and the Shearer example is a very good one.

Kenny Dalgliesh (when first appointed) would be another good example, no?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 23, 2012, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 23, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
Sorry John, when you say "they have the freedom" do you mean the coaches, so they can coach how they wish, or players, who can play with freedom in the youth/reserves?

If it is the latter, then if they do not have the mental application to be able to transfer their ability in the youth/reserves onto the first team stage, then they will never hold down a first team spot.  Maybe it is this mental application that has prevented the numerous "hopes" in the past to achieve this goal?  Maybe our coaches do not instill this mental toughness into them during their formative years?  Perhaps our coaches are "too nice"?

What I mean is the expansive way they reach them to play in the reserves/youth is stifled by more defensive tactics in the first team.

I totally disagree that it's about their mental application to transfer it up a level into the first team.

The question is would they be good enough to play that way successfully in the PL?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 23, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
I just cant help but feel, Randy et al should not have messed with us last Summer...

We had started getting results under Mcallister even with GH in hospital, and the football was getting better...

If he didnt have a sensible optioned lined up why didnt he keep GH in a Back Seat / DOF role and either use KMAC or Mcallister to manage the team?

Not that its a long term solution just something until we had a sensible long term solution lined up...

At the time it seemed like Randy had lined up Hughes, so made sense but then he was out of the running, benitez wanted money to spend randy wouldnt give him and we got were stuck with no manager and not a great deal of options.... Enters McLueless

Just feel a common sense approach could of avoided all this...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 23, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 23, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
Well at least Laursen is leaning his trade at the bottom with some crap Danish 2nd division outfit.  Probably a much better grounding than being parachuted straight into the Premier League.

Exactly, one for a few years time.

Thirded
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 23, 2012, 01:39:42 PM
Quote from: DB on April 23, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: john e on April 23, 2012, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 10:59:06 AM
Guardiola, with all due respect to our youngsters, had a whole different calibre of player available.

cause he did,
 i'm not calling for Laursen, just saying that the right man isnt always the one that ticks all the boxes

What boxes? It's same when the Geordies wanted Shearer in charge. We need a manger based on ability / track record - not an emotional one. As said get him in as coach, for a few years time to be a potential manager.

Woy at Wets Bwom for me.


well,the boxes you just mentioned,
 ability and track record, when Guardiola started his ability was unknown and he had no track record,
i'm sure the Barca supporters were on their version of H+V complaining they had a great group of players coming on, and they were going to give them to a chap with no experience and was mates with them all,

he didnt tick many boxes. but was still the right man
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 23, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
Thing about Guardiola was that he knew the club and set up, so was fully aware of the players they had and what they were capable of.  As was the board, so wanted someone who could just come in and hit the ground running with them and not try to change anything.  Therefore I don't attribute much of their success to the manager, other than for the good sense to just let the players get on with it. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 23, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2012, 10:47:18 AM
I'm pretty sure we need to get him on the coaching first, he may not even want it? So Guardiola had no managment experience whatsoever before he got the Barca job?

He managed their C and B teams.  Getting rid of the C team so that the B team was more competitive.
Whilst he had no “proper” experience he was earmarked as a Barca manager very early in his career.  I have read some article recently and he was always a very diligent student of the game too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 23, 2012, 11:21:27 PM
I've posted pro Laursen comments dating back too MON's successor. For me he'd be worth the gamble. In terms of othet candidates, what about Di Canio?

He's been a revelation in his first full season and show lots of potential. A proven leader and definately his owj man. Would kick up a stir in the Prem too! And get Laursen as first team coach!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 23, 2012, 11:23:45 PM
Don't mention Di Canio, I did once but I think i got away with it!

Umm, actually i didn't get away with it!  :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 08:06:17 AM
An emphatic no to Di Canio from me. This is a different level and I'm just not sure about his temperament.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 24, 2012, 08:17:37 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 23, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
Thing about Guardiola was that he knew the club and set up, so was fully aware of the players they had and what they were capable of.  As was the board, so wanted someone who could just come in and hit the ground running with them and not try to change anything.  Therefore I don't attribute much of their success to the manager, other than for the good sense to just let the players get on with it. 

This is just completely untrue. He's made huge differences to the way they play, particularly their pressing of the ball up the pitch. He's tactically very sophisticated too. I agree that there's no certainty at all that he'd replicate it at another club, but to say he's just let the players get on with is a huge dis-service
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on April 24, 2012, 08:18:49 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 08:06:17 AM
An emphatic no to Di Canio from me. This is a different level and I'm just not sure about his temperament.
Agree, I think he would be a good manager but I think he would end up belting someone. I would like to see Cowans and Laursen, but Im not sure Cowans wants it. So with all the youth coming through I would ask MacDonald again to step up with Laursen as understudy with a view to take over after 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2012, 08:22:32 AM
Sven.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on April 24, 2012, 08:26:06 AM
Martin Laursen with Ray Wilkins
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2012, 08:28:10 AM
Paul McGrath with Gazza and Merse as his assistants.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 24, 2012, 08:33:45 AM
Gentlemen I would suggest Lerner/Faulkner will dispense with the current manager Mr McCleish (and Mr Grant) and employ as the new manager.... Terry Connor!  Possibly Mr Lerner will get rid of Faulkner and replace him with the dreaded Jez Moxey!

Joking apart and Im repeating myself I would go for Jamie Carragher and Houllier as Director of Football

As long as neither of them mention a certain team!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on April 24, 2012, 08:40:14 AM
Seriously though

I'd love Big Ron back with Wilkins and Laursen as coaches
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Jamie Carragher? No thanks. I can't stomach that scouse twat as it is.
I dont see why we have to gamble on somebody with no experience at all and its not really what we need.
Somebody up and coming and not yet the finished article by all means, a Rodgers, Lambert, AVB and so on but not a complete novice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 24, 2012, 08:50:02 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Jamie Carragher? No thanks. I can't stomach that scouse twat as it is.
I dont see why we have to gamble on somebody with no experience at all and its not really what we need.
Somebody up and coming and not yet the finished article by all means, a Rodgers, Lambert, AVB and so on but not a complete novice.

is heart would always be elsewhere, like someone else we knew
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 24, 2012, 08:52:39 AM
Absolutely no to that Nazi bastard Di Canio.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on April 24, 2012, 08:55:50 AM
If Carragher was our manager and was succesful he would then become Liverpools manager. We need a manager who is  ex Villa or one that supports Exeter or Abroath.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2012, 08:56:34 AM
like David O'Leary
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 24, 2012, 09:05:16 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Jamie Carragher? No thanks. I can't stomach that scouse twat as it is.
I dont see why we have to gamble on somebody with no experience at all and its not really what we need.
Somebody up and coming and not yet the finished article by all means, a Rodgers, Lambert, AVB and so on but not a complete novice.

Racist Scouse twat... if you please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 09:11:35 AM
The dressing room would be a treacherous place to work with all that saliva on the floor too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

I reckon he will go back to Portugal or maybe Spain to prove himself again before returning to England.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 24, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Jamie Carragher? No thanks. I can't stomach that scouse twat as it is.
I dont see why we have to gamble on somebody with no experience at all and its not really what we need.
Somebody up and coming and not yet the finished article by all means, a Rodgers, Lambert, AVB and so on but not a complete novice.

Carragher maybe a novice but its well known he has an encyclopedic knowledge of world football and players. Doesnt matter where he comes from if hes got the will to succeed which he does and has the respect of players he could do us a lot of good.
Tell you what though its going to be an interesting summer at Villa Park. I believe Randy will suddenly spring to life and make all kind of changes or sell the club or literally anything!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on April 24, 2012, 03:10:21 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 24, 2012, 08:28:10 AM
Paul McGrath with Gazza and Merse as his assistants.

With Bryan Robson as DOF. The team would get relegated but the Holte pub would get a return on the refurb investment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: John on April 24, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 08:42:11 AM
Jamie Carragher? No thanks. I can't stomach that scouse twat as it is.
I dont see why we have to gamble on somebody with no experience at all and its not really what we need.
Somebody up and coming and not yet the finished article by all means, a Rodgers, Lambert, AVB and so on but not a complete novice.

Carragher maybe a novice but its well known he has an encyclopedic knowledge of world football and players.

Is it? He seems like a thick c**t to me. He probably thinks Encyclopedia is an STD.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Terry Jones on April 25, 2012, 01:03:45 AM
For me there would only be two and they are not any of the ones mentioned for me Moyes  or Benitez if Lerner wants to keep the club and stick his hand in his pocket and give them the funds none of the fore mentioned have proved anything and in my opinion will never make the grade at the highest level.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 01:51:03 AM
Who I want and who we'd get are two entirely different things.

I think the neccesity of the situation would mean a younger Manager looking to build an Empire - would require top class recruitment though so won't happen.   Our Board are too uninformed and lazy.

 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 01:55:03 AM
Ideally it would be The Chosen One. Right now though i'd accept N. E. One.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on April 25, 2012, 02:04:40 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

And his name would catch my eye in the newspaper for the right team for a change.

We can but dream.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.

I would love an ex-player who genuinely cares about the club to take over, but I can't think of too many ex-Villa players currently managing or who have recent experience of managing at a high level.  Southgate is one who springs to mind, but he hardly inspires confidence and he still isn't forgiven for the way he left us.  The only other one I can think of who is currently in a high profile coaching position is David Platt, but his managerial record is hardly brilliant.  Maybe it is because he was my favourite player when he played for us, but I'd be willing to give him a chance.  Having experienced football abroad both as a player and a manager, maybe he would be able to see the merits of and be willing to work under a Director of Football as well.  Graham Taylor Director of Football with Platty as coach? 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on April 25, 2012, 02:56:09 AM
The board is there just to look after the day to day Randy makes all the decisions, as any owner would.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 25, 2012, 03:08:00 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.

I would love an ex-player who genuinely cares about the club to take over, but I can't think of too many ex-Villa players currently managing or who have recent experience of managing at a high level.  Southgate is one who springs to mind, but he hardly inspires confidence and he still isn't forgiven for the way he left us.  The only other one I can think of who is currently in a high profile coaching position is David Platt, but his managerial record is hardly brilliant.  Maybe it is because he was my favourite player when he played for us, but I'd be willing to give him a chance.  Having experienced football abroad both as a player and a manager, maybe he would be able to see the merits of and be willing to work under a Director of Football as well.  Graham Taylor Director of Football with Platty as coach? 

If you think McLeish and DOL are/were masters of talking the club down, spoonface would take the thing to a whole new level.  Don't think he's had any affection for (or even interest in)  the club since he left in 1991. 

That is certainly the impression he gives, any time he faces the chore of having to talk about the Villa in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 03:16:18 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 25, 2012, 03:08:00 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.

I would love an ex-player who genuinely cares about the club to take over, but I can't think of too many ex-Villa players currently managing or who have recent experience of managing at a high level.  Southgate is one who springs to mind, but he hardly inspires confidence and he still isn't forgiven for the way he left us.  The only other one I can think of who is currently in a high profile coaching position is David Platt, but his managerial record is hardly brilliant.  Maybe it is because he was my favourite player when he played for us, but I'd be willing to give him a chance.  Having experienced football abroad both as a player and a manager, maybe he would be able to see the merits of and be willing to work under a Director of Football as well.  Graham Taylor Director of Football with Platty as coach? 

If you think McLeish and DOL are/were masters of talking the club down, spoonface would take the thing to a whole new level.  Don't think he's had any affection for (or even interest in)  the club since he left in 1991. 

That is certainly the impression he gives, any time he faces the chore of having to talk about the Villa in any way, shape or form.

I've heard that bee said before, but can't ever recall him saying anything negative about Villa or must have simply missed it.  From memory, he always got a good reception when he returned to Villa Park as a player and always applauded the Villa fans.  Apart from him, I can't think of any other ex-Villa players in high profile coaching or managerial roles, although there are quite a few in the media (Gray, Townsend, Collymore).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 25, 2012, 03:24:19 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.

I would love an ex-player who genuinely cares about the club to take over. 

Personally I think we’d be foolish to go down this route unless the candidate had shown exceptional skills towards coaching/management and indeed had sought to learn about the game.  David Platt in many ways personifies this foolishness.

The link below is an interesting piece about what makes the manager.  The suggestion, borderline evidence, indicates that playing football at a high level is not the key criteria.  In addition, this avoids problems associated with the players allegiances and previous clubs.

http://rs.442.com.au/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=57370
(apologies if it was posted before).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 03:47:00 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 25, 2012, 03:24:19 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:38:55 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 24, 2012, 09:01:29 AM
Andre Villas Boas. He's even got the right name.

We've more chance of getting Andre Agassi.

I would love an ex-player who genuinely cares about the club to take over. 

Personally I think we’d be foolish to go down this route unless the candidate had shown exceptional skills towards coaching/management and indeed had sought to learn about the game.  David Platt in many ways personifies this foolishness.

The link below is an interesting piece about what makes the manager.  The suggestion, borderline evidence, indicates that playing football at a high level is not the key criteria.  In addition, this avoids problems associated with the players allegiances and previous clubs.

http://rs.442.com.au/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=57370
(apologies if it was posted before).

Interesting article Dante, though I'm not sure the likes of Capello, Ancelotti and Guardiola had too many problems managing former clubs ;).  I take your point, but I am sick of managers rubbishing our club and telling us that as fans, we should not expect any better.  You never heard Big Ron, Brian Little and John Gregory putting the Villa down in the media and I just think being manager of Aston Villa might mean a little more to an ex-player.  I agree that if Platt is the best candidate in that category then it is probably a no-go, but it would be nice to hear a Villa manager showing a real passion for the club and talking us up for a change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: peckvillajunior on April 25, 2012, 08:28:02 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Was about to say the same thing myself. Possibly just the man to come in and fire them up for the last 3 games, reminding the players what Aston Villa actually means. He turned it around in 1998.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 25, 2012, 08:30:55 AM
I'd be happy with anybody who doesn't think game by game points tallies should resemble binary code.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 25, 2012, 08:31:39 AM
Most of the players probably wouldn't even know who Gregory is!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.


i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.


i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?

He got a bit dour towards the end, but we had some great games under Gregory.  I don't remember much negativity when he took over, we won about 8 out of 10 matches. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 25, 2012, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.
Id go with that..except Lerner and Faulkner wouldnt have a clue who he is.

i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?

He got a bit dour towards the end, but we had some great games under Gregory.  I don't remember much negativity when he took over, we won about 8 out of 10 matches.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:31:44 AM
ossie ardilies if we are going fully the other way
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 25, 2012, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.


i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?

He got a bit dour towards the end, but we had some great games under Gregory.  I don't remember much negativity when he took over, we won about 8 out of 10 matches. 

I always get surprised about the level of dislike towards Gregory. Like Risso, I remember some really exciting times when he was manager albeit as mentioned becoming more defensive towards the end of his reign. Players like Carbone, Merson - one or two of them wouldn't go amiss now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
Let's be realistic about this, say we stay up. AM get's sacked. Who are the realistic contenders, given the constraints of the clubs new approach that would apply for this?.... usual suspects?

Steve Bruce?
Alan Curbishley?

Both wouldn't work under similar ways at Wolves.

Or do we look to the future, someone younger...

Martinez?.... what would make him take it now? we're in a worse position than last year when he didn't want to know

Di Matteo?.... if he doesn't get Chelsea job then he'll probably walk into a job in Europe somewhere....

I'm sure there are others....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:26:20 AM
I think even if we stay up we'll struggle to find anyone of any real quality - been that way since MON left if we're honest.

When we ended up with GH it was because the season had started and there was no availability - then last Summer when that excuse wasn't around we ended up with a shortlist of Martinez (who claims he turned us down) McClaren, Curbishley and McLeish.

We just cannot attract anyone, the Villa aura has gone for top Managers and unless we get a new owner with money to spend it aint gonna be coming back.

If we go down we could do worse than Alan Curbishley - Christ did I just type that!!  Either that or a young ambitious Manager but as Martinez proved last Summer even they don't see us as anything but the Managerial graveyard we've been for younger Managers - Turner, Little, Gregory, DOL, AML.  I reckon people take notice of that kind of thing. 

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:31:05 AM
The luxury is that whoever it is they can't do a worse job than Mcleish and there will be so much positivity once he's gone. If it isn't Bruce, Pulis or McCarthy most people would be happy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 25, 2012, 10:34:37 AM
Give the last 3 to Ian Taylor, a true Villan.

Fight the good fight and maybe, just maybe we'd get 2 points.

Next Manager ?

Someone with Championship experience.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
I *think* I saw Simon Grayson arriving at the game yesterday. Very late, like me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
If we're going for a short term man for 3 matches only the shout someone put for Ron Atkinson is a good as any.  We need a motivator but also someone who has passion for the Club, relax the kids in training but also has some serious footballing nous.

Ian Taylor, beloved though he is, well we might as well get one of us lot in there.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
If we're going for a short term man for 3 matches only the shout someone put for Ron Atkinson is a good as any.  We need a motivator but also someone who has passion for the Club, relax the kids in training but also has some serious footballing nous.

Ian Taylor, beloved though he is, well we might as well get one of us lot in there.



The sad fact is we'd struggle to do as badly as Mcleish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:51:02 AM
You know, i always roll my eyes when people say they could have done better, scored that goal or managed the team better but in this case i honestly believe many of us on this site really could.

From selection to formation to tactics to motivation, this season has been a complete train crash.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 25, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
Curbishley does alot of pundit work for the football channel out here, and there is no doubt that if the job was going, he would go for it. If we do go down, I would not mind him getting the job, not sure why all the hatred for him on here, always speaks kindly and respectfully of the Villa and at the moment seems sorry to see us where we are.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:58:09 AM
Yeah Curbishley would probably be the best we'd get if we went down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 25, 2012, 11:07:10 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 10:58:09 AM
Yeah Curbishley would probably be the best we'd get if we went down.

I all seriousness, even if we stayed up he'd be a decent Manager, he played for us ( 36 games) and is West Ham 'trained' so at least we could expect better than what we've endured this season.

If we go down, he'd be excellent in my opinion.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 11:08:11 AM
A broom with a wig would do better than this idiot.  I go one here they can have for £2m.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 25, 2012, 11:11:42 AM
itbrvilla Dont tell Faulkner, he'd offer you 3.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
If we stay up then Curbishley would be a good bet.

Worked miracles at Charlton and he kept West Ham in the league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
If we stay up then Curbishley would be a good bet.

Worked miracles at Charlton and he kept West Ham in the league.

not for me. apart from the obvious Villa and Blues connection he has, he wouldnt last twelve months at the club either.

Gotta be a fresh approach and a bold one that raises spirits with a much needed Villa hero back in. I'd personally like to see either Laursen, Southgate or even Dean Saunders given the job, with Graham Taylor back in some capacity and a major clearout of the under performers.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
Dean Saunders?He has just got Doncaster relegated!Great choice to take us down to an all time low.Graham Taylor would be a great asset to the club.Don't rate Southgate either.If we are going to play with a team of youngsters then put KMac in charge with Sid,after all they have worked well with these youngsters and they both have massive passion for our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
in fairness to Saunders he inherited a doomed squad anyway and had only been in the job about half a season - but i take your point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 25, 2012, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
Martinez?.... what would make him take it now? we're in a worse position than last year when he didn't want to know

I suppose the argument here is that although Wigan and Villa are both now lower league sides, it is Villa who have the greatest potential.  Martinez has stayed another season and (if) he keeps Wigan up agian, you could say he's taken them as far as he can on their resources and now it is time to see if he can step up.  Lerner would have to assure him that there was money available of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 12:52:16 PM
Has to be the Swansea fella for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 01:10:44 PM
Glenn Hoddle. Wouldn't screw us too much for wages. ........I'll get my coat 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on April 25, 2012, 01:19:03 PM
Depends on what division we're in next season.Curbishley is a solid choice but would leave us fans feeling fairly underwhelmed.I'd love to get Lambert in but I think should he leave Norwich he'll be looking at a bigger job than the Villa one.I personally think we should bring in a young hungry manager who has something to prove.The squad needs a major overhaul and I want someone with the stomach for the fight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 25, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
I wonder where would we have been now had McAllister been given the job full time.  We finished last season well, plus he knows the club & all the players bar the new signings.  I don't like the fella, but could be a candidate?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: peckvillajunior on April 25, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
We could do a lot worse than Hoddle (questionable past aside). Could potentially be ideal for our young squad.

The next manager needs to be young and on an upward trajectory for me. Lambert/Rodgers would be nice but they'll see us as a club in decline not worth the trouble. Same for Adkins and McDermott now they're up. Unless we promised them the sort of money we gave to MON to rebuild I doubt they'd come.

We need to look at the next generation, those who aren't coming up to the Premiership this year but are doing well and improving. Nigel Clough or Eddie Howe possibly (though I don't follow lower league stuff enough to know the best options). Then there's always someone like Laursen if he's showing potential.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on April 25, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
Quote from: peckvillajunior on April 25, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
We could do a lot worse than Hoddle (questionable past aside). Could potentially be ideal for our young squad.

The next manager needs to be young and on an upward trajectory for me. Lambert/Rodgers would be nice but they'll see us as a club in decline not worth the trouble. Same for Adkins and McDermott now they're up. Unless we promised them the sort of money we gave to MON to rebuild I doubt they'd come.

We need to look at the next generation, those who aren't coming up to the Premiership this year but are doing well and improving. Nigel Clough or Eddie Howe possibly (though I don't follow lower league stuff enough to know the best options). Then there's always someone like Laursen if he's showing potential.


Poyet maybe?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 01:28:38 PM
We need to focus & put EVERY effort into getting rid of this one first.
Anything else is fantasy. And on that basis, er- Roberto someone or other...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
Quote from: peckvillajunior on April 25, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
We could do a lot worse than Hoddle (questionable past aside). Could potentially be ideal for our young squad.

The next manager needs to be young and on an upward trajectory for me. Lambert/Rodgers would be nice but they'll see us as a club in decline not worth the trouble. Same for Adkins and McDermott now they're up. Unless we promised them the sort of money we gave to MON to rebuild I doubt they'd come.

We need to look at the next generation, those who aren't coming up to the Premiership this year but are doing well and improving. Nigel Clough or Eddie Howe possibly (though I don't follow lower league stuff enough to know the best options). Then there's always someone like Laursen if he's showing potential.
My good mate who has been a season ticket holder at the Wolves for many years recently told me about when Glen i am the best player in the world ever Hoddle was in charge there.He destroyed the confidence of the players because of his big headed attitude and the fact that whatever the players did they were wrong.I dont think we need a big headed twat like that at our club to destroy players suffering from lack of confidence anyway.Hoddle is a twat.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 25, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Got to be Ian Dowie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on April 25, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Got to be Ian Dowie.
If we didn't win anything at least we would get the coveted trophy for "The Ugliest Manager In The History Of Football" trophy thingy!Maybe worth a shot on that one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 01:43:46 PM
I am sure he had a career in acting before his one in football.Got it.He was in the Goonies!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 01:50:25 PM
If we do appoint a new manager it has to be someone who has a long term plan and who can [along with Randy's public backing] explain to the fans that he isn't looking for short term fixes but instead look to bring together a bunch of players that  can entertain and can be used as building blocks for the future.If we just go after quick fixes we will finish up back in the same situation that we are now. If we are brave then Randy's tag line could be 'The future's bright -The future is claret and blue'. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 25, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
I wonder where would we have been now had McAllister been given the job full time.  We finished last season well, plus he knows the club & all the players bar the new signings.  I don't like the fella, but could be a candidate?
I would take him, worth a chance with GH ad director of football?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Why would he bother when he could be back in the prem with Blackpool?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Why would he bother when he could be back in the prem with Blackpool?

I dont think we are going down...

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Why would he bother when he could be back in the prem with Blackpool?

I dont think we are going down...
I hope your optimism works mate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Why would he bother when he could be back in the prem with Blackpool?

I dont think we are going down...
I hope your optimism works mate.

lol i just cant see the possibilities that need to happen happening...

Wigan and QPR will finish above us I am sure of that...

But not bolton or blackburn...

Cant see Bolton picking up many more points... defo not the 3 needed to surpass us...

Cant See blackburn picking up points either they need 5....

We will stay up by 3 worst teams than us, not cos we deserve it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
I'd love Di Matteo. I don't see Roman giving him the gig. He'll want a marquee name. I might be wrong, and he might see sense, but I get the feeling Roberto will be available in the summer.

Failing that, tempting Moyes over would also be nice. Can't see it though.
In all honesty I'd take Curbishly over Eck. Or maybe Fat Sam if West Ham don't come up. Our ambitions should be higher but I suspect they won't be.

I wouldn't be adverse to Martinez, Rodgers or Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 03:00:38 PM
If i was Roman and DiMatteo actually does win the Champions League with Chelsea i wouldn't let him go anywhere!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
even Dean Saunders

whoah there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
even Dean Saunders

whoah there.

I live in Yarkshire and work with a Doncastor fan.. he says Saunders is useless...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
even Dean Saunders

whoah there.

I live in Yarkshire and work with a Doncastor fan.. he says Saunders is useless...

No shit. Relegated Doncaster? Relegated-from-the-Championship-Doncaster feat. MC Habib Beye?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:30:12 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
I still think Ian "Villa are not a big enough club" Holloway
Why would he bother when he could be back in the prem with Blackpool?

I dont think we are going down...
I hope your optimism works mate.

lol i just cant see the possibilities that need to happen happening...

Wigan and QPR will finish above us I am sure of that...

But not bolton or blackburn...

Cant see Bolton picking up many more points... defo not the 3 needed to surpass us...

Cant See blackburn picking up points either they need 5....

We will stay up by 3 worst teams than us, not cos we deserve it

Really, Bolton won away from home last night against a team supposedly with everything to play for (albeit it was us), they play Sunderland, Stoke and the Baggies, 3 mid table teams with nothing to play for, plus an out of sorts Spurs team, I can see them picking up 4 or 5 points from that lot.  Blackburn I don't see picking up anything else though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VWBelgian on April 25, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
Myself
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
How about a female manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 03:50:21 PM
Jordan?She always has two upfront,very fit middle and a cracking rear!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 25, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Quote
Jordan?She always has two upfront,very fit middle and a cracking rear!!!!

And she's had more pricks inside her than a Blues supportors club coach
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 03:56:04 PM
Maybe we could rename this thread When do you want the next manager?Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Surrey Villain on April 25, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 03:56:04 PM
Maybe we could rename this thread When do you want the next manager?Just a suggestion.

That would be a very short thread because there is only one answer  -  today!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 25, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 25, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Quote
Jordan?She always has two upfront,very fit middle and a cracking rear!!!!

And she's had more pricks inside her than a Blues supportors club coach

More cocks than Becketts Farm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 04:08:46 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 25, 2012, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 25, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Quote
Jordan?She always has two upfront,very fit middle and a cracking rear!!!!

And she's had more pricks inside her than a Blues supportors club coach

More cocks than Becketts Farm.
Need more than one coach!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.


i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?

He got a bit dour towards the end, but we had some great games under Gregory.  I don't remember much negativity when he took over, we won about 8 out of 10 matches. 
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 25, 2012, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 08:55:44 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 08:14:47 AM
Get John Gregory back.

Not a bad shout maybe.


i thought we'd had our fill of negative defensive managers ?

He got a bit dour towards the end, but we had some great games under Gregory.  I don't remember much negativity when he took over, we won about 8 out of 10 matches. 

I always get surprised about the level of dislike towards Gregory. Like Risso, I remember some really exciting times when he was manager albeit as mentioned becoming more defensive towards the end of his reign. Players like Carbone, Merson - one or two of them wouldn't go amiss now.


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
John "Five at the back against Chester" Gregory? I'd be tempted to stick with AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
There's not a lot about so I would maybe give Curbishley the opportunity...but only when he learns to say Birmingham properly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
John "Five at the back against Chester" Gregory? I'd be tempted to stick with AM.


yes i rememer those 5-4 1 formations, even the midfielders were defensive mids,
 still we didnt let many goals in !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:08:03 PM
There's not a lot about so I would maybe give Curbishley the opportunity...but only when he learns to say Birmingham properly.

and has some sort of facelift or maybe some botox
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?


absolute cack football, i can name an away game against Chelsea under AM,
 i'm not taliking about individual matches, i'm talking about the mindnumbing defensive ultra negative formations the man put out

yes it was worse than AM as he had a lot better players to choose from and it was still crap

ps, you forgot the Southampton match, that normaly always gets mentioned
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lee on April 25, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
Would you trust "Where's Wally" to get the right man in? I don't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

How about the regular 10+ games every season we had under him where we didn't win? 1-0 at home to a truly shit Bradford where we played 5 at the back? Losing 4-1 at home to Cov. Losing 3-0 at home to 3rd division Fulham?

After his first 12 months in charge we were awful to watch in the main. Avoid defeat seemed to be the mantra rather than try and win the games. Which is why our crowds were pretty dire under him a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

We had some great games at Villa Park under Gregory.  It all went wrong in the end, but isn't that the case with practically very Villa manager? I'd take Gregory over McLeish any day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lee on April 25, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

We had some great games at Villa Park under Gregory.  It all went wrong in the end, but isn't that the case with practically very Villa manager? I'd take Gregory over McLeish any day.

I'd take Barry Fry over Oh 'Eck
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2012, 05:31:31 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

How about the regular 10+ games every season we had under him where we didn't win? 1-0 at home to a truly shit Bradford where we played 5 at the back? Losing 4-1 at home to Cov. Losing 3-0 at home to 3rd division Fulham?

After his first 12 months in charge we were awful to watch in the main. Avoid defeat seemed to be the mantra rather than try and win the games. Which is why our crowds were pretty dire under him a lot of the time.

Whenever I think of the shit, dull games under JG, the first one that comes to mind, above the draws, defeats and games against Leicester, is that fucking game against Bradford.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 25, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

We had some great games at Villa Park under Gregory.  It all went wrong in the end, but isn't that the case with practically very Villa manager? I'd take Gregory over McLeish any day.

I'd take Barry Fry over Oh 'Eck

In a daisy-chain stylee?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
John "Five at the back against Chester" Gregory? I'd be tempted to stick with AM.

Eh?

The defenders that day were

Watson, Southgate, Ehiogu, G Barry,

midfield was Taylor, Boateng, Hendrie and Thompson

Dublin and Vassell up front.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:34:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2012, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:17:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:02:24 PM


worst football i ever saw at Villa Park,
even when we were top of the league i can remember coming out of the ground thinking 'i dont know if i can take much more of this'
Carbone and Ginola were great players who Gregory hardly ever used because he was to negative, he would be a terrible choice as a replacement for AM as he is exactly the same

You have got to be on a wind up with that one.  Worst football ever?  Really?  I can name some great matches under Gregory, eg the 3-2 vs Arsenal, the same score v Leeds and so on.  Are you really arguing that the football under Gregory was worse than that under Taylor mk II, O'Leary or especially McLeish?

We had some great games at Villa Park under Gregory.  It all went wrong in the end, but isn't that the case with practically very Villa manager? I'd take Gregory over McLeish any day.


they are always great games when you win, and we were getting good results under Gregory there is no doubt about that.
but his tactics to get those results were more negative than AM, that is why he would be a awfull replacement to Mcleish,
 i just cant believe after a year of this dross people would vote for more of the same with Gregs.

by the way, i think he's a great bloke otherwise, just as a manager he sends me to sleep
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
When did we lose to Bradford?  Don't recall losing to them in their two year stint in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2012, 05:40:16 PM
I'll say this for Gregory.

He made you feel like he thought he was manager of the greatest club in the world, and that we should bow down to no-one.

He may have been bullshitting his way through it all of course, but fucking hell we could do with a bit of that again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 25, 2012, 05:40:16 PM
I'll say this for Gregory.

He made you feel like he thought he was manager of the greatest club in the world, and that we should bow down to no-one.

He may have been bullshitting his way through it all of course, but fucking hell we could do with a bit of that again.



agree with you there
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
When did we lose to Bradford?  Don't recall losing to them in their two year stint in the Premier League.

We didn't.

We won, but it still stands out as one of the worst games I've watched, and fucking hell it's had some competition of late.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:43:07 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:04:57 PM
John "Five at the back against Chester" Gregory? I'd be tempted to stick with AM.

Eh?

The defenders that day were

Watson, Southgate, Ehiogu, G Barry,

midfield was Taylor, Boateng, Hendrie and Thompson

Dublin and Vassell up front.



Chester 0 - 1 Villa
Encklemann
Watson, Ghrayib, Ugo, Calderwood, Barry
Taylor, Merson, Thompson,
Dublin, Joachim
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
When did we lose to Bradford?  Don't recall losing to them in their two year stint in the Premier League.

We didn't. Which is why I didn't say losing like I did the other examples.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 25, 2012, 05:41:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
When did we lose to Bradford?  Don't recall losing to them in their two year stint in the Premier League.

We didn't.

We won, but it still stands out as one of the worst games I've watched, and fucking hell it's had some competition of late.

Christ, I'd settle for playing badly occasionally and winning 1-0, all the best clubs do it.  In any case, I don't think anybody was seriously putting a case for Gregory as new manager, just that for three games he'd be a better bet than McLeish.  When Gregory took over a rapidly sinking Villa team, th result was amazing.  10 wins from 13 games, including six in a row at one point.  Imagine that, a six game winning streak!  We haven't even managed back to back wins once this season.  That run also contained wins against Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal.  He'd do me for the next 3 games.  Or Little, I'm not fussy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:38:58 PM
When did we lose to Bradford?  Don't recall losing to them in their two year stint in the Premier League.

We didn't. Which is why I didn't say losing like I did the other examples.

Apologies, misunderstood your post.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 25, 2012, 05:56:31 PM
I'm not sure what's making me feel more sick right now,the fact that there's a great chance of us going down,or that we face one of the most important appointments in the summer since 87,and the two people making this choice have shown they have no grasp of football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on April 25, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.

Your right. The current incumbent really is an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.
He'll never be forgotten, his name will always be mentioned in Cockney pubs.
'How did you get on with that girl last night? Did you get the Steve Stride?'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.

Everything great comes from Castle Brom. It's just the way it is....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 09:03:46 AM
I wouldn't have last summer, but I'd take Martinez now. I just want to see us try and play entertaining football and he can't be worse than we've had this year. Also if it were a choice between him, Bruce, McCarthy, Pulis and Curbishley it's definitely him. Personally I'd prefer us to look abroad or try and be ambitious and go for AVB, but that won't happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 09:21:37 AM
It is vitally important whoever it is plays entertaining passing football. We can't put up with another season of this garbage.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 26, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 26, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.

Everything great comes from Castle Brom. It's just the way it is....

Correct.
(Bromford, but close enough)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 26, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.

Everything great comes from Castle Brom. It's just the way it is....

Yes it does...........great things happen there..............
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
Well they reckon Pep Guardiola could jack it in at Barcelona tomorrow. Wonder if he fancies a day out at Peterborough, Millwall and Barnsley for a change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
Well they reckon Pep Guardiola could jack it in at Barcelona tomorrow. Wonder if he fancies a day out at Peterborough, Millwall and Barnsley for a change.

I've heard he's already studying a dossier on Barry Fry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2012, 02:28:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 09:21:37 AM
It is vitally important whoever it is plays entertaining passing football. We can't put up with another season of this garbage.

Martinez has also proven, year after year now, that he certainly doesn't give up and has a knack of instilling fight into his players at the right time. He wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but I'd be quite optimistic if he turned up at B6 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Is Hodgson still out of contract in the summer or has he signed a new one?  If he is out of contract, he might not be a bad shout.  He is well versed in Scandanavian football, so we maybe could get Laursen in working under him with the view to succeeding him in a few years and Hodgson moving upstairs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Is Hodgson still out of contract in the summer or has he signed a new one?  If he is out of contract, he might not be a bad shout.  He is well versed in Scandanavian football, so we maybe could get Laursen in working under him with the view to succeeding him in a few years and Hodgson moving upstairs.

A Hodgson/Laursen double act is something that I'd be happy enough with.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 03:33:41 PM
Why would we want Hodgson? He manages one of our local rivals so we'd never want him would we.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Is Hodgson still out of contract in the summer or has he signed a new one?  If he is out of contract, he might not be a bad shout.  He is well versed in Scandanavian football, so we maybe could get Laursen in working under him with the view to succeeding him in a few years and Hodgson moving upstairs.

A Hodgson/Laursen double act is something that I'd be happy enough with.

Make it so!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 04:26:10 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Is Hodgson still out of contract in the summer or has he signed a new one?  If he is out of contract, he might not be a bad shout.  He is well versed in Scandanavian football, so we maybe could get Laursen in working under him with the view to succeeding him in a few years and Hodgson moving upstairs.

A Hodgson/Laursen double act is something that I'd be happy enough with.

Make it so!


yes, would also get the thumbs up from me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 26, 2012, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Is Hodgson still out of contract in the summer or has he signed a new one?  If he is out of contract, he might not be a bad shout.  He is well versed in Scandanavian football, so we maybe could get Laursen in working under him with the view to succeeding him in a few years and Hodgson moving upstairs.

said almost the same thing a few weeks ago, any manager with laursen under him for 2 or 3 years ready to step in when the times right
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 26, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Hodgson never seems to do it at 'big clubs'. I fear his methods are great at places where players have no airs and graces and where expectations aren't all that hight.

At Villa he could run into a cul-de-sac as he did at Liverpool. Maybe with Laursen there with him there'd be more patience and more of a sense that a long-term project was being embarked on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 26, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Hodgson never seems to do it at 'big clubs'. I fear his methods are great at places where players have no airs and graces and where expectations aren't all that hight.

At Villa he could run into a cul-de-sac as he did at Liverpool. Maybe with Laursen there with him there'd be more patience and more of a sense that a long-term project was being embarked on.

Finance wise we're presently in a similar position to the likes of Fulham and WBA, so I don't see that as a problem.

Some fans will have a pop regardless, but next season, which I expect to be under a new manager anyway, will be one of stabilising the club.  He'd be great for that. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 26, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Hodgson never seems to do it at 'big clubs'. I fear his methods are great at places where players have no airs and graces and where expectations aren't all that hight.

At Villa he could run into a cul-de-sac as he did at Liverpool. Maybe with Laursen there with him there'd be more patience and more of a sense that a long-term project was being embarked on.

Finance wise we're presently in a similar position to the likes of Fulham and WBA, so I don't see that as a problem.

Some fans will have a pop regardless, but next season, which I expect to be under a new manager anyway, will be one of stabilising the club.  He'd be great for that. 

yes you are probably right,
 but i hate those words like 'stabilising' or even worse 'consolidating'
just reeks of treading water for a bit, while nothing interesting happens

and i just want something good to happen
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 26, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
Claudio Ranieri has said he is interested in managing in the Premiership again. Ranieri, who was only sacked from Chelsea because he wasn't Mourinho...that's the level Villa should be looking at. We've. Got. To. Think. *Big*.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 26, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
Hodgson is not a Top 6 club manager. We need to be looking at that type of manager who is cut out to handle a club with Top 6 (or even Top 8 ) pretensions.

Just had to put a space in there as 8 followed by a ) automatically produces the sunglasses emoticon...:-/...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 26, 2012, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Martyn Bentsmith on April 26, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
Claudio Ranieri has said he is interested in managing in the Premiership again.

There might be a wee snag with that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 26, 2012, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on April 26, 2012, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Martyn Bentsmith on April 26, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
Claudio Ranieri has said he is interested in managing in the Premiership again.

There might be a wee snag with that.

That is of course assuming we do survive...which tbh I think will only happen if we get rid of McLeish after Saturday (assuming we don't beat Albion, which I think we won't)....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 26, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
I'm not sure why people in one sentence say they'd like us to try to play decent football, and in the next suggest Hodgson as the new manager. His sides rarely play entertaining football; largely he does the same thing as McLeish does, only much better - his philosophy is similar to Big Eck's.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on April 26, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
Paul Lambert for me should be next villa manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on April 26, 2012, 05:37:31 PM
If we get relegated then Neil Warnock
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 26, 2012, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on April 26, 2012, 05:37:31 PM
If we get relegated then Neil Warnock

If we went down that road I’d rather Sam Allardyce over Neil Warnock.

Whether  we stay up or go down I’d like to see Brian McDermott.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 05:53:18 PM
No to Allardyce or Warnock, christ we've had enough bad football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on April 26, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
Would like to give Grayson a go if we go down. His Young, has Villa links,and some experience and is not Sam Allardyce or Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
It's pretty obvious that we need a new manager,relegation or not. Needs to be someone young,hungry with fresh ideas,who is able to get the best out of the youth.

 Personally i'd go for Gus Poyet,respected player who played at the top level,and i've been down to the Amex 4 or 5 times this season,and what he's done down at Brighton is pretty impressive.

They're the exact opposite to us at the minute,they play out from the back,all of the players look comfortable on the ball,they pass and move well,and this is pretty much with the same set of players when he took over. It's funny seeing him on the touchline sometimes,cause if the keeper or defender launches it,Poyet does his nut,you could call him the anti-McLeish.

Whoever it is,it needs to be someone who can stamp their mark like Sir Graham did in 87.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: l_mckay on April 26, 2012, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: richardhubbard on April 26, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
Paul Lambert for me should be next villa manager
I agree with this
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
Pep's leaving Barca,i can only think its due to the abuse McLeish got,and he knows he's no1 contender.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 06:17:35 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
Pep's leaving Barca,i can only think its due to the abuse McLeish got,and he knows he's no1 contender.


yes i just seen that as well,
he's very close to those Quatar people who are buying Villa at the end of the season, so its all working its way out nicely

i love it when a plan comes together
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 26, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 06:12:28 PM
Pep's leaving Barca,i can only think its due to the abuse McLeish got,and he knows he's no1 contender.

I think do ok at us as long as we got the English Lionel Messi (Emile) to sign a new deal. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simba on April 26, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on April 26, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 05:57:35 PM
I'm sure somebody else has said this, but I really miss Steve Stride.

Everything great comes from Castle Brom. It's just the way it is....

Yes it does...........great things happen there..............

At last some insight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 26, 2012, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: supertom on April 25, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
I'd love Di Matteo. I don't see Roman giving him the gig. He'll want a marquee name. I might be wrong, and he might see sense, but I get the feeling Roberto will be available in the summer.

Failing that, tempting Moyes over would also be nice. Can't see it though.
In all honesty I'd take Curbishly over Eck. Or maybe Fat Sam if West Ham don't come up. Our ambitions should be higher but I suspect they won't be.

I wouldn't be adverse to Martinez, Rodgers or Lambert.

As soon as AVB got sacked, I thought about Di Matteo, he did a more than decent job at the Baggies and has plenty of experience both as a player and assistant/manager.

You can stick Curbishley and Fat Sam where the sun don't shine. After years of crap football at Villa Park, we need a manager that understands the modern game.

Martinez can do one, Rodgers we should speak to but for me, Lambert would really suit the Villa, a thinking man's Martin O'Scabcunt.

As Randy calculates the managerial pay offs, he must surely realise that it's so important to get the right man and sell a few tickets next season as right now Villa Park will look half empty next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on April 26, 2012, 09:28:01 PM
Before we even think about a new manager, as others have mentioned, the first job is to recruit someone who is a little more savy in the English game - Steve Stride or David Dein for instance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on April 27, 2012, 01:26:54 AM
BBC Football is saying Guardiola is on the brink of quitting, so he would be nice and the sun website is saying Villa are targetting Lambert, believe that if you want but it was in the sun.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 03:27:22 AM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 05:54:59 PM
Personally i'd go for Gus Poyet,respected player who played at the top level,and i've been down to the Amex 4 or 5 times this season,and what he's done down at Brighton is pretty impressive.

Can you expand on the “done” bit?  What is it that you think he could transfer to Villa?
I am not deliberately being awkward but, whilst I like the idea of Poyet, I want evidence that the guy is a progressive manger with ambitious ideas.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 03:33:52 AM
Quote from: Matt C on April 26, 2012, 09:28:01 PM
Before we even think about a new manager, as others have mentioned, the first job is to recruit someone who is a little more savy in the English game - Steve Stride or David Dein for instance.

I agree with this.  I do not have too much of a problem with Randy being an absent owner IF there is a guy who we can trust with the experience and knowhow pulling the strings.  Randy pumped in - what was it? - 25m last year of his own money (added to the 200m? before that).  That is not the actions of someone who doesn’t care.

However he has many faults, the biggest one being the vacuum of power at the club.  We need a talisman at  board level who will shake the club up (and communicate more) and then a manager who will do the same from the playing side.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JD on April 27, 2012, 08:42:18 AM
Capello (please). ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 27, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
I don't think it could be clearer. Guardiola has just stepped down at Barcelona...so McLeish will be going there!

If they do can him in the summer I wouldn't be upset with Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 08:49:51 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 27, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
I don't think it could be clearer. Guardiola has just stepped down at Barcelona...so McLeish will be going there!


McLeish will be biding his time for the Man U job.  Surely Ferguson would have no objections to such a remarkable manager taking over there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
isnt Di Matteo a bit defensive like most Italian managers not very attack minded
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BegbieAV on April 27, 2012, 09:06:45 AM
Lee Clark has been mentioned a couple of times, can't understand why Huddersfield sacked him. I think he is in the same mould as Rodgers and Lambert, perhaps the step up to us if we are still in the Premiership maybe too much but he didn't have a bad record at Huddersfield. I think he would be worth a gamble, and if we did go down maybe he could persuade Ryan Rhodes to sign for us who I think would score for fun in the Championship. UTV
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on April 27, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
I'm sure I read somewhere one of the reasons why Clark was sacked was that Huddersfield played a dire style of football.  I think of Lambert as MON lite although I've nothing to back that up.

Whoever comes has to play a style of football that our young players and those coming through can fit in with, Rogers would seem to fit that bill, as would Martinez.

I'd like John Blackwell to come back and recommend a young and upcoming foreign manager who meets the criteria.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 09:29:08 AM
I'm not sure Lambert is 'O'Neill lite', I've seen Norwich play some really good stuff this year and particularly at home. I have a mate who's also a Norwich fan and he says they play some good stuff and also have a variety of systems. My only concern would be he has tended to buy British and they concede a lot of goals. I'm hoping the buy British bit is mainly because he's dragged Norwich up from the lower leagues and picked players up a long the way and he could be a bit more ambitious at Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
isnt Di Matteo a bit defensive like most Italian managers not very attack minded
I think he was pretty attack minded with the Baggie.They had that great start last seasonthen went on a terrible run where they were conceding a shit load of goals.Still think he was sacked prematurely though,yet our manager is somehow still in a job.Unbelievable really
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 27, 2012, 09:36:54 AM
I do like Lambert's CV as he has played abroad and won the European Cup abroad. Didn't he also do his coaching badges in Germany?

I would just hope we are an attractive proposition and that the outside world isn't looking at us as a club in terminal decline. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 27, 2012, 09:41:50 AM
Guardiola wants a break from footy - he could be our new manager  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:50:42 AM
isnt Di Matteo a bit defensive like most Italian managers not very attack minded
I think he was pretty attack minded with the Baggie.They had that great start last seasonthen went on a terrible run where they were conceding a shit load of goals.Still think he was sacked prematurely though,yet our manager is somehow still in a job.Unbelievable really


the WBA board thought they were going down with him in charge, so they sacked him bought in RH and he kept them up,

timing is the most important thing for a manager to get any job,
 Rogers, Lambert, Di matteo are all in favour because of the seasons or in the case of Di Matteo the last 8 games they have had,
when Rogers was failing at Reading he wouldnt have been mentioned, last season there were rediculous calls from some posters calling for the sacking of Houllier and the appoinment of Allardyce to 'keep us up' he doesnt even make the frame now thank goodness

Roy at Liverpool was considered useless but now after doing great at the baggies would be good for the job,
there is always a massive element of luck, you just dont know if a manager will be a good fit untill he starts and we can see the results,

i championed Martinez when MON left, and would still love him to come,
 but there is no gurantees he would be successfull, i just know he definitley tries to play football the way i like to see it played, and i think he would be good at building a team and squad long term, but there is always negatives as there are with any names mentioned

i wonder if we could see into next season what names would come to the fore, others where if the timing was right would be in contention for better jobs
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:06:33 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on April 27, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
RL,  redeem yourself and go get Rodgers,  today,  now, sharpish. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:06:33 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.


Hmmm that seems to be rather presumptuous.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on April 27, 2012, 10:33:53 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:06:33 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.


Hmmm that seems to be rather presumptuous.

Very much so. He probably would if offered it but there's no way anyone has "heard" this.  Another "someone from inside the club" source no doubt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 10:39:55 AM
the great thing is the media and supposedly ITK twitterers etc are now openly talking about who the next Villa manager will be, its just a steady build up of pressure which will have only one outcome.

i know its jumping the gun somewhat but i'm actually getting quite excited about next season now, as i honestly believe we will survive and also have a new manager in charge,

there is some light at the end of the tunnel at last
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 10:39:55 AM
the great thing is the media and supposedly ITK twitterers etc are now openly talking about who the next Villa manager will be, its just a steady build up of pressure which will have only one outcome.

i know its jumping the gun somewhat but i'm actually getting quite excited about next season now, as i honestly believe we will survive and also have a new manager in charge,

there is some light at the end of the tunnel at last


I might join you on that, if we have survived come the end of the season, once Mcleish has gone and once we see the new manager is actually a good appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
I've been to a couple of the Next Gen matches and also watched the reserves a few times this season, and believe me when you then go to watch the first team it's as if there are two different clubs called Aston Villa.
The Academy and reserves play an adventurous style of football, score a fair number of goals and yes they also let a few in but no matter what the result you come away from those games feeling that you have seen your team give it their all in an attempt to win the game. Then you go to see the other Aston Villa play in the PL and all we seem to get is an exercise in damage limitation, ie, setting the team up not to lose by too many goals no matter who we are playing.
What the kids who have been taught to play attractive football under Kevin Mac and Sid must make of it when they are put into the first team and seemingly are told to play in a style that is alien to them I shudder to think. It most certainly wont help in their development.
So, if and when McLeish does go the club should look at what is going on at the Academy and try to find a manager with a similar philosophy to that at Bodymoor so that as players come through the ranks, the transition from youth team to first team should be almost seamless.
There just doesn't seem to be that kind of long term vision at the club at the moment. Why spend eight or nine years teaching young kids to play one style of football yet when they get into the first team it all gets thrown out of the window?
For me, I'd move heaven and earth to get Brendan Rogers in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2012, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: SteveN on April 27, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
I think of Lambert as MON lite although I've nothing to back that up.


Have you considered what a 'MON lite' would be like..

Doing a little skip when we score rather than jumping around like a monkey on speed.
Hoofing the ball to the stands rather than upfield.
Only buying players from Yorkshire rather than British.
Sending Villa Ladies to Moscow rather than the Reserves.
Turning up on a Saturday rather than the Friday before the game.
Offering 32 year olds 7 year contracts on 6 figure contracts rather than three and a half on £60k.
A team only turning up for a quarter of the game rather than 45 minutes.
Falling out with every player in the squad rather than just half of it.
Making his first substitution afer 85 minutes rather than 67 minutes.
After a 0-0 bore draw telling the press we play "wonderful football" rather than "scintillating football".
Secretly courting the Everton job rather than the Liverpool job.
Walking out on the Villa 5 minutes before the first game of the season instead of 5 days.

I could go on..

As I've mentioned before, Lambert is a thinking man's MON, somebody that understands the game, has his teams playing a wonderful passing game and has all the attributes to be a great manager in the future. He may not have the profile to excite everybody but I'd prefer a that than another gobshite who thinks he's doing us a favour.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 27, 2012, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 27, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
RL,  redeem yourself and go get Rodgers,  today,  now, sharpish.

No chance.  Harry to England.  Rodgers to Spurs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 27, 2012, 12:03:54 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

Why?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

And what does that achieve?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

And what does that achieve?

It is achieves us not acting like a classless bunch of arseholes, such as man City when they sacked Hughes. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 27, 2012, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 27, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
RL,  redeem yourself and go get Rodgers,  today,  now, sharpish.

No chance.  Harry to England.  Rodgers to Spurs.

It was reported in the French sports press yesterday that Guardiola has been offered the England job and he fancies it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
To be honest we've been too 'nice' in the past, football is a pretty nasty industry and unfortunately we need to keep up. If approaching Norwich about Lambert while Mcleish is still in situe is required then so be it, provided we approach Norwich first rather than Lambert himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

Then get rid of him now, he's serving no useful purpose here!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
To be honest we've been too 'nice' in the past, football is a pretty nasty industry and unfortunately we need to keep up. If approaching Norwich about Lambert while Mcleish is still in situe is required then so be it, provided we approach Norwich first rather than Lambert himself.
Exactly what I was going to post We are where we are by being 'nice'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

And what does that achieve?

It is achieves us not acting like a classless bunch of arseholes, such as man City when they sacked Hughes. 

If you're going to set yourselves up as a paragon of virtue in the football world, then you won't get very far.

City treated Hughes shabbily, Hughes treated Fulham shabbily. That's the way it works.

I personally hope we do the best we can to get the best manager we can, however we have to do it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on April 27, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

And what does that achieve?

It is achieves us not acting like a classless bunch of arseholes, such as man City when they sacked Hughes. 

No, it's called preparing in case we don't get our man. Look at Wolves, got rid of McCarthy and gambled getting another one in, it didn't work and they went down, left with a coach out of his depth. We can't afford to be polite, we have to do what's in the best interests of our football club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 27, 2012, 12:27:17 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

Then get rid of him now, he's serving no useful purpose here!

That's not going to happen.  We might want it to happen, but it won't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 12:42:40 PM
Pep !!!! There is a vacancy (almost anyway ) it's in Birmingham (no not managing Birmingham but the other team in Claret  and Blue) we used to be European Champions many years ago and we have been fairly successful over the years (but not for a few) well we are currently just about hanging in there in the Premier League. To be honest our current manager is useless, well in fact he's a joke , no in fact he really does not know what he is doing. Please come and take a look at us. I just hope the incumbent person in charge at the moment does not get us relegated (he has a knack of taking teams down )especially when they have  a (B) Postcode. Come to think of it he gets teams relegated wherever he goes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 27, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
One problem if Lambert is in the frame - he'd probably only come to us if we're in the Premier League.  Which means his players might have an incentive to beat us, so they don't lose him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
I actually think Guardiola would a disaster, and would really struggle. He has just been managing the most cohesive and talented group of players ever, in their peak. He may return to management but I am not so sure, and if he does I would imagine Spain would be the next stop.

Lambert looks a very solid choice to me if true, and one that more mirrors Moyes than Eck ever did. Maybe the timing is better this summer for him than last too, but I do hope we get him or someone of his ilk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
I actually think Guardiola would a disaster, and would really struggle. He has just been managing the most cohesive and talented group of players ever, in their peak. He may return to management but I am not so sure, and if he does I would imagine Spain would be the next stop.

Lambert looks a very solid choice to me if true, and one that more mirrors Moyes than Eck ever did. Maybe the timing is better this summer for him than last too, but I do hope we get him or someone of his ilk.

I'm sorry, that may be true of many coaches who struggle to replicate their successes and ideals elsewhere, but the idea that Lambert would do a better job than Guardiola is nonsensical to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
I actually think Guardiola would a disaster, and would really struggle. He has just been managing the most cohesive and talented group of players ever, in their peak. He may return to management but I am not so sure, and if he does I would imagine Spain would be the next stop.

Lambert looks a very solid choice to me if true, and one that more mirrors Moyes than Eck ever did. Maybe the timing is better this summer for him than last too, but I do hope we get him or someone of his ilk.

I'm sorry, that may be true of many coaches who struggle to replicate their successes and ideals elsewhere, but the idea that Lambert would do a better job than Guardiola is nonsensical to me.

In terms of sheer playing on the pitch maybe, but in order to get to that you have to navigate the transfer market much lower down the scale than Pep is used to, plus manage some difficult characters out of the club.

Not saying you're wrong, but an F1 driver might not make the best HGV driver.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
I actually think Guardiola would a disaster, and would really struggle. He has just been managing the most cohesive and talented group of players ever, in their peak. He may return to management but I am not so sure, and if he does I would imagine Spain would be the next stop.

Lambert looks a very solid choice to me if true, and one that more mirrors Moyes than Eck ever did. Maybe the timing is better this summer for him than last too, but I do hope we get him or someone of his ilk.

I'm sorry, that may be true of many coaches who struggle to replicate their successes and ideals elsewhere, but the idea that Lambert would do a better job than Guardiola is nonsensical to me.

In terms of sheer playing on the pitch maybe, but in order to get to that you have to navigate the transfer market much lower down the scale than Pep is used to, plus manage some difficult characters out of the club.

Not saying you're wrong, but an F1 driver might not make the best HGV driver.

Oh I agree with that, it just strikes me that Guardiola's level of attention to detail, footballing intelligence, natural leadership, linguistic skills and all the rest of it make Guardiola an exception to that very good rule.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??

You absolutely do. Sarcasm is never particularly witty, and when trying to get the point across via the Internetz, it has to become even less subtle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 27, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Not true, sarcasm is ace.
Especially when dimwits struggle with it. It can be quite entertaining.
Like that Priest who is an aide to Bishop Brennan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cb on April 27, 2012, 01:15:24 PM
Nah I don't want Guardiola.... I want Mourinho!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 27, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Not true, sarcasm is ace.
Especially when dimwits struggle with it. It can be quite entertaining.
Like that Priest who is an aide to Bishop Brennan.

Haha, "no, we'll sleep outside in a ditch!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2012, 01:16:11 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 27, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
One problem if Lambert is in the frame - he'd probably only come to us if we're in the Premier League.  Which means his players might have an incentive to beat us, so they don't lose him.

I don't really agree with that. Doug enticed the up and coming Sir Graham from Watford after we went down. We are still a massive club and it only takes the right character to recognise what we could be given the right direction as opposed to what we are. We are like a once impressive house with broken windows and a door that is falling off. Some buyers wouldn't give us a second look, but the astute buyer understands the potential that some renovations would do to its value.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
Sven.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
Sven.

you mean that bloke that rolled in at Leicester with more money than everyone else and failed. No ta. His big time was 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??

You absolutely do. Sarcasm is never particularly witty, and when trying to get the point across via the Internetz, it has to become even less subtle.

I personally love sarcasm but it has to be good not mediocre a bit like the manager we currently have.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??

You absolutely do. Sarcasm is never particularly witty, and when trying to get the point across via the Internetz, it has to become even less subtle.

I personally love sarcasm but it has to be good not mediocre a bit like the manager we currently have.

That's the most tenuous, pathetic, obsessively-minded excuse for a segue into an attempted analogous point I have ever seen or heard. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??

You absolutely do. Sarcasm is never particularly witty, and when trying to get the point across via the Internetz, it has to become even less subtle.

I personally love sarcasm but it has to be good not mediocre a bit like the manager we currently have.

That's the most tenuous, pathetic, obsessively-minded excuse for a segue into an attempted analogous point I have ever seen or heard. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 27, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
Donald Duck or Minnie Mouse, we might as well go for the set...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 27, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
Warley, I like him a lot more than I like you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Warley you coming into this thread just to row with people again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 27, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 12:47:43 PM
Yes, WW. Let's get Pep Guardiola. Good idea, nobody had thought of wanting Pep Guardiola as manager, but thanks for enlightening us.

Do I detect a hint of "very bad sarcasm" there??

You absolutely do. Sarcasm is never particularly witty, and when trying to get the point across via the Internetz, it has to become even less subtle.

I personally love sarcasm but it has to be good not mediocre a bit like the manager we currently have.

That's the most tenuous, pathetic, obsessively-minded excuse for a segue into an attempted analogous point I have ever seen or heard. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?

Warley, as I put on the Books thread before it was quite rightly deleted, your obsession with McLeish and posting something vitriolic at every opportunity ticks several boxes in the Hare Checklist as detailed in the excellent The Psycopath Test by Jon Ronson.
You'd make a great case study.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
To be honest we've been too 'nice' in the past, football is a pretty nasty industry and unfortunately we need to keep up. If approaching Norwich about Lambert while Mcleish is still in situe is required then so be it, provided we approach Norwich first rather than Lambert himself.

That's generally not how it works nowadays.   Most clubs establish an interest via third parties - to make sure the guy even wants the thing-  before making prats of themselves and going in with an official approach.

Not us though, obviously. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
To be honest we've been too 'nice' in the past, football is a pretty nasty industry and unfortunately we need to keep up. If approaching Norwich about Lambert while Mcleish is still in situe is required then so be it, provided we approach Norwich first rather than Lambert himself.

That's generally not how it works nowadays.   Most clubs establish an interest via third parties - to make sure the guy even wants the thing-  before making prats of themselves and going in with an official approach.

Not us though, obviously. 

Fair enough, but either way I think we need to get a lot more ruthless and smart about how we approach things.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:51:56 PM
Someone's accused me of being in a McLeish fanclub. I think my work here may be done.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
You can talk, you were overjoyed when he joined saying 'he'll be the next Ron Saunders.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:51:56 PM
Someone's accused me of being in a McLeish fanclub. I think my work here may be done.

No one of significance, Monty!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
You can talk, you were overjoyed when he joined saying 'he'll be the next Ron Saunders.'

I remember Warley saying that, too.

The most amazing thing is the way he's done a total about turn, the hypocrite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 27, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
You can talk, you were overjoyed when he joined saying 'he'll be the next Ron Saunders.'

I remember Warley saying that, too.

The most amazing thing is the way he's done a total about turn, the hypocrite.

I remember him saying that he had his bedroom plastered in Big 'Eck posters, and a tattoo of him on his leg.

My, he's changed his tune.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 27, 2012, 01:59:58 PM
Glenn Roeder?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 01:51:56 PM
Someone's accused me of being in a McLeish fanclub. I think my work here may be done.

No one of significance, Monty!

Haha, how true!

Especially one who named his children "Big", "Eck" and "Blownowse til Oi Doie".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
I think the HGV/ Formula 1 driver is a decent analogy to what I was getting at with Guardiola. He has produced the best footballing side in my lifetime, and he is a genius for the way he has bought them together as a team, but would never be able to replicate that anywhere else because they have probably 10 of the best 20 players in world football right now, most of the side that have won the last 2 major international tournaments and the best player on the planet, that will go down in the history of the game with the likes of Pele. If I were him, I would not take another club job, probably ever.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 02:01:12 PM
I'm pretty sure Glenn Roeder doesn't have a "Big 'Eck" tattoo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 27, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
You can talk, you were overjoyed when he joined saying 'he'll be the next Ron Saunders.'

I remember Warley saying that, too.

The most amazing thing is the way he's done a total about turn, the hypocrite.

I remember him saying that he had his bedroom plastered in Big 'Eck posters, and a tattoo of him on his leg.

My, he's changed his tune.

I also recall him saying
'I'd love to kiss him on his freckled, weather beaten face.'
Love is a losing game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
I really hope he's been sounded out
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
I really hope he's been sounded out

If/when Mcleish does go, he'd be my first port of call were I Randy.

But none of this 'would you like an interview' shit.  Just go get him!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 27, 2012, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 27, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 27, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 01:36:33 PM

Are you sure?  Do you like AM? Are you in his fanclub?
You can talk, you were overjoyed when he joined saying 'he'll be the next Ron Saunders.'

I remember Warley saying that, too.

The most amazing thing is the way he's done a total about turn, the hypocrite.

I remember him saying that he had his bedroom plastered in Big 'Eck posters, and a tattoo of him on his leg.

My, he's changed his tune.

I also recall him saying
'I'd love to kiss him on his freckled, weather beaten face.'
Love is a losing game.

It's a terrible thing.  He used to be president of the AM fan club but now he's hunting down the club members like some low budget Darth Vader.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

That’s very generous of you to give them 40m!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: stubbsyandy on April 27, 2012, 03:24:24 PM
IF we are in the fortunate position of looking for a new manager soon, I think it is important that any negociation with manager or club is carried out away from the media. We don't want another Martinez type circus.
Also it will be essential this appointment is right so no jumping in, just action when its needed to get the man we can get behind for the next 4 or 5 years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 02:12:18 PM


If/when Mcleish does go, he'd be my first port of call were I Randy.


I know what you mean.  That chiselled jaw, those firm thighs.......ooooooooh!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on April 27, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
The England Under 19 and Under 16 coaches are both ex Villa players. Out of the two I would probably go for Kenny Swain though. Noel Blake is arguably the only person who would make McLeish look popular.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
I really hope he's been sounded out

Id be happy with PL .    He would do wonders for us .

p.s mind I would take Frank spencer at the moment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
I really hope he's been sounded out

Id be happy with PL .    He would do wonders for us .

p.s mind I would take Frank spencer at the moment

Probably clutching at straws but at no point does he say that he doesn’t want it.

The MON-lite thing is something I can see, but I do not see it as *that* much of a problem as he will be able to get something out of our hoofers whilst slowly developing us into a more dynamic team.  As Houllier proved, a Rodgers type appointment might be too big a leap for a lot of the squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Just listening to Lambert's press conference and he was asked about the Villa link.

"Unfair to even comment on it/ I can do nothing about those links."  and "Disrespectful,"   to the current manager.

And no time did he say he wouldn't take the job if offered though.
I really hope he's been sounded out

Id be happy with PL .    He would do wonders for us .

p.s mind I would take Frank spencer at the moment

Probably clutching at straws but at no point does he say that he doesn’t want it.

The MON-lite thing is something I can see, but I do not see it as *that* much of a problem as he will be able to get something out of out hoofers whilst slowly developing us into a more dynamic team.  As Houllier proved, a Rodgers type appointment might be too big a leap for a lot of the squad.

I don't think the football style was the issue for Gezza and some of our players, but rather his man-management style!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: fredm on April 27, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
Carlos Queroz(sp)?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 27, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
Carlos Queroz(sp)?

Known to be a great coach but a bad manger.  He’d need a DoF to sort out the more mundane tasks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 05:03:36 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 27, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
Carlos Queroz(sp)?



No way. He was an utter failure as a number one. He made a balls of the Portugal job. They don't rate him in Spain or Portugal. Not what we need at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 27, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
Carlos Queroz(sp)?



He'd probably come with a letter from Fergie too!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: fredm on April 27, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
Carlos Queroz(sp)?



He'd probably come with a letter from Fergie too!

Unlike Randy who comes when he gets a letter from Fergie.



I'm sorry. I'm so ashamed to have posted that but it was such an open goal even Ronnie Rosenthal would have buried it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
The thing is that the football style really does need a massive, drastic overhaul. Revolution not evolution, I say. For that reason, I would actually pass over Lambert unless he displayed a willingness to adapt his style to one which is less limited (I still have high ambitions for the Villa even if the board don't). For all his undouted achievements this season, Lambert looks quite like MON in many ways: uninspiring individuals made to work together to be greater than the sum of their parts, often quite functional 4-4-2 systems based around the prolific and physical striker Grant Holt.

In his favour, however, he has bested MON when it comes to the use of different tactical systems, often changing radically during a match (something which, as we all know, MON was never likely to do) - going to three at the back to counter a 4-4-2 is a particular favourite of his, often to great effect. The fact that he has played abroad (he describes Hitzfeld at Dortmund as, along with MON, his greatest influence) means that he may not have that Brito-centric myopia which so limited MON's transfer ability. However, he has not shown these yet so, though he hasn't really had the chance to, I'd still be hesitant about his appointment unless he had a very practical, all-embracing plan to modernise the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 06:01:48 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Whether I wanted either of them or not, this week if I were Randy I would ring Lambert and Hodgson's agents and offer them both the Villa job, starting at the end of the season.  I would tell them they would have £40m + whatever they raised from sales.

We shouldn't approach another manager while we already have one in the job.  By all means start thinking of a replacement, but official moves should wait until the present man goes. 

Very principled, but it would get us nowhere.  But the point of what I said was missed.  We have to play WBA and Norwich.  My tongue was firmly in my cheek.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 06:18:42 PM
Well, just to speculate;
If we stay up, QPR will be favorite to go down with Blackburn.  So Hughes?  Lerner supposidly didn't want him because of his relationship with the Fulham Chairman.
Lambert? He must be thinking he has taken Norwich as far as he can and said the usual weasel words when asked about the Villa job in his press conference.  Didn't say no.
Bruce?  God no, not after McLeish, surely the lesson would be learned.
Curbishly?  Was interviewed twice when Houllier was selected.  Why did he turn down Wolves, wouldn't be popular, lesson learnt like Bruce?
Rodgers? Just signed a new contract, would be expensive and linked to Spurs.  Could be good though and I think would be well accepted by the fans.
Martinez, well he's done his year!!
Moyes? Would he be any better off than he is?  Better the devil you know than fall out with the Villa fans after his usual bad start?
Plus anyone else who gets sacked!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
The thing is that the football style really does need a massive, drastic overhaul. Revolution not evolution, I say. For that reason, I would actually pass over Lambert unless he displayed a willingness to adapt his style to one which is less limited (I still have high ambitions for the Villa even if the board don't). For all his undouted achievements this season, Lambert looks quite like MON in many ways: uninspiring individuals made to work together to be greater than the sum of their parts, often quite functional 4-4-2 systems based around the prolific and physical striker Grant Holt.

In his favour, however, he has bested MON when it comes to the use of different tactical systems, often changing radically during a match (something which, as we all know, MON was never likely to do) - going to three at the back to counter a 4-4-2 is a particular favourite of his, often to great effect. The fact that he has played abroad (he describes Hitzfeld at Dortmund as, along with MON, his greatest influence) means that he may not have that Brito-centric myopia which so limited MON's transfer ability. However, he has not shown these yet so, though he hasn't really had the chance to, I'd still be hesitant about his appointment unless he had a very practical, all-embracing plan to modernise the club.

i agree,
although i dont really think Lamberts footballing style is a defined as MON's yet, i didnt realise he said that stuff about his influence on him either, so thats a bit of a worry to be honest.
its really no good putting someone in the job then hoping he changes or tones down certain areas of his coaching, they always revert to type, always,
 the only one who completly changed from hoof ball to pass the ball on the ground is Ian Holloway, and he had to go through some sort of 'damascus conversion' for him to get there

having said that its difficult to know exactly what Lamberts type is, i havent seen enough of Norwich to judge, and what i have seen has been very good, i remember them at Old Trafford this season, they lost but played Man Utd of the park,

so he wouldnt be my first choice, i think Martinez is still that for me, purely on the fact that you know exactly the sort of football he will bring to Villa Park,
but i wouldnt be to upset if it was Lambert, i think we could be good together
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Or perhaps someone from abroad, to really shake up the club, Robin Dutt maybe, a slightly younger manager from a more enlightened football country with the ambition to shake something up.

John, I think Martinez would be my overall choice as well. However, it is to Lambert's credit that he's shown an ability to tactically adapt, so if he wants to come - and there's absolutely no guarantee of that - he may well be worth a go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Or perhaps someone from abroad, to really shake up the club, Robin Dutt maybe, a slightly younger manager from a more enlightened football country with the ambition to shake something up.

John, I think Martinez would be my overall choice as well. However, it is to Lambert's credit that he's shown an ability to tactically adapt, so if he wants to come - and there's absolutely no guarantee of that - he may well be worth a go.


i think we are singing of the same page Monty,
but we dont get to make the decision, i just hope Randy and the board have leant from there mistakes the last time and bring someone in who can be positive, and have a clear direction and plan, even if it takes a while, thats all i ask
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
i think we are singing of the same page Monty,
but we dont get to make the decision, i just hope Randy and the board have leant from there mistakes the last time and bring someone in who can be positive, and have a clear direction and plan, even if it takes a while, thats all i ask

To quote Charlie Nicholas on Only an Excuse, we're singin' aff the same broadsheet. If you have a spare £100m I'd be willing to help front a consortium for a buyout. I'd work for free as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 27, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
A few seasons back, Paul Lambert took Colchester to Norwich on the first day of the season, won 7-1, left Colchester and joined Norwich a week later, then took the Canaries to Colchester for the return fixture 5 months later and won that one 5-0.

There's got to be something about the guy to be able to do that.

Ideally, you'd want to see how he gets on in that 'difficult second season' but if there are no other stand out, proven, big time guys who fancy the job (as per last year) then I think he's worth a try. Would he come ? Of course, Villa is a bigger job than Norwich, regardless of the division we're in. Even better if you could get someone like GT or BFR on the board to lend advice (not necessarily to the manager).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on April 27, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
I like Lambert. He plays a good mix of footy at Norwich. They can play on the deck well enough, and he also knows how to go direct effectively if he has to. If we got him over with a couple of his players perhaps, like Grant Holt (excellent foil for Benty), then brilliant.

It'll be tough for us to tempt a decent foreign coach to us. As for domestic, we could well tempt one of the younger guys like Lambert or Rodgers. Maybe Martinez at the second bite, though he'd be my third choice from that list. Still, I do believe Martinez would turn us into a reasonably entertaining and safe mid-table club. Right now, that'd do me.

Moyes has done a brilliant job at Everton. I'd love him to come but I doubt it. He won't leave the Toffees for anything less than a big club challenge. Probably got his eyes on Fergies job. But yeah, to keep Everton consistently where they are is amazing given his budget. What a buy Jelavic has been too. Moyes would be my ideal choice for our club and fit in well, but it won't happen sadly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on April 27, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
Lambert's comments today - to me - hint that he's interested but not willing to talk about it yet.

That excites me massively.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 27, 2012, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: Summers on April 27, 2012, 08:26:39 PM
Lambert's comments today - to me - hint that he's interested but not willing to talk about it yet.

That excites me massively.

Exact same for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
i think we are singing of the same page Monty,
but we dont get to make the decision, i just hope Randy and the board have leant from there mistakes the last time and bring someone in who can be positive, and have a clear direction and plan, even if it takes a while, thats all i ask

To quote Charlie Nicholas on Only an Excuse, we're singin' aff the same broadsheet. If you have a spare £100m I'd be willing to help front a consortium for a buyout. I'd work for free as well.


problem is we would have a team playing snob football,
we would think its great,seeing all the pretty patterns and changes in formations to suit requirments, the great technique of the players, and the artistry of players running of the ball

but we wouldnt win anything
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
We might win more matches.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
We might win more matches.


what with me and Monty in charge ?

yes your probably right

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 08:41:00 PM
I don't know why exactly but I'm slightly underwhelmed by Lambert.

Admittedly he'd be better than AM but that's not exactly difficult.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2012, 08:41:27 PM
I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Villa went for Fat Rafa.  No compo involved.  If they do sack Eck and his backroom staff and appoint Paul Lambert and his backroom staff, it'll cost another fortune.  Not saying it's what I'd want but Villa have embarrassed themselves with the amout of compo they've paid out recently!  Hopefully the austerity cuts have already been made once Cuellar, Heskey and Guzan leave in the summer and the new Manager has a few quid to spend, minus the compo money, of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
i think we are singing of the same page Monty,
but we dont get to make the decision, i just hope Randy and the board have leant from there mistakes the last time and bring someone in who can be positive, and have a clear direction and plan, even if it takes a while, thats all i ask

To quote Charlie Nicholas on Only an Excuse, we're singin' aff the same broadsheet. If you have a spare £100m I'd be willing to help front a consortium for a buyout. I'd work for free as well.


problem is we would have a team playing snob football,
we would think its great,seeing all the pretty patterns and changes in formations to suit requirments, the great technique of the players, and the artistry of players running of the ball

but we wouldnt win anything


Not necessarily. I'd certainly get impatient and go all Romanov on failed managers, sacking until we strike lucky. Deadly Doug? Try Mental Monty.

In any case (and to return to some semblance of seriousness), anyone who could get Villa to a place of entertaining without winning anything (except for, obviously, some games) would be very welcome at VP right now. We're starting from a very low ebb indeed.

Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
We might win more matches.


what with me and Monty in charge ?

yes your probably right

We'd win more with almost anyone in charge to be fair. Like I say, very low starting point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
I like Martinez but I think he is getting overhyped.

Remember we are above Wigan in the league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 08:50:09 PM
Lambert would be a decent choice I think, from what I've seen of Norwich they're very focused on getting wide and piling crosses into the box.

Given the training this would lead to I think a number of our players would benefit.  We'd need a big man up top though, and probably another wide player or 2.  I think Albrighton would shine and, judging on youth and reserve games, so would Gardner (he'd be encouraged to make late bursts into the box I think) .  On top of that as I understand it we have some pretty special looking young wide players.  He has a battling midfielder sit deep to cover the fullbacks as well which Herd could be good for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 08:50:09 PM
Lambert would be a decent choice I think, from what I've seen of Norwich they're very focused on getting wide and piling crosses into the box.

I think we've seen quite enough of that, certainly enough to prove it has it's limitations even after £200m spent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2012, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
I like Martinez but I think he is getting overhyped.

Remember we are above Wigan in the league.
Yeah, and he's a bit too foreign for my liking.

Get Steve Bruce in, I say. Him or Sammy Lee.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
I like Martinez but I think he is getting overhyped.

Remember we are above Wigan in the league.

remember how big a club Wigan are, and how big a club we are
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2012, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
I like Martinez but I think he is getting overhyped.

Remember we are above Wigan in the league.
Yeah, and he's a bit too foreign for my liking.

Get Steve Bruce in, I say. Him or Sammy Lee.


do they puff their chest out enough though ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 08:46:43 PM
I like Martinez but I think he is getting overhyped.

Remember we are above Wigan in the league.

remember how big a club Wigan are, and how big a club we are

Yeah I know but if you think about it Wigan have been poor for most of the season.

They have been great recently but the season lasts for 38 games.

Also Wigan are an established Premier League club now but they have been outperformed by newcomers Norwich and Swansea.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
I like Lambert . He is 2012 1980s team .    Get the crosses in and pile it in . On the floor or direct , whatever It takes to win .

He loves to win , whoever he is playing .     Goes Mardi If he loses , even if its Manure away . He is a winner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on April 27, 2012, 09:17:59 PM
Gus Poyet the samba beat to the revolution
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
I like Lambert . He is 2012 1980s team .    Get the crosses in and pile it in . On the floor or direct , whatever It takes to win .

He loves to win , whoever he is playing .     Goes Mardi If he loses , even if its Manure away . He is a winner.

mardy - proper east mids word is that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on April 27, 2012, 09:20:08 PM
Another vote for Lambert - reminds me of O'Neill without the pomp and circumstance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
I like Lambert . He is 2012 1980s team .    Get the crosses in and pile it in . On the floor or direct , whatever It takes to win .

He loves to win , whoever he is playing .     Goes Mardi If he loses , even if its Manure away . He is a winner.

mardy - proper east mids word is that
7


and Im a brummie too.      parents fault for moving me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: Matt C on April 27, 2012, 09:20:08 PM
Another vote for Lambert - reminds me of O'Neill without the pomp and circumstance.

and the pubes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: inside right on April 27, 2012, 09:17:59 PM
Gus Poyet the samba beat to the revolution
Tango rhythm surely?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

Lambert for me too, though I'd be happy with Poyet too. I didn't want Martinez in the summer and still don't. Not only are Wigan below us (us ffs!) but he's in his third year there isn't he? He should have had more an impact by now?

If anyone says 'yes but imagine what he could do with Randy's backing' I'll shoot first and not ask questions at all!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:27:08 PM
I don't see why people are warming to this 'piling in the crosses' approach which we've seen the limitations of massively. Even with massive backing, MON-ball had huge limitations, and Lambert would not have that backing. The lack of a defeatist attitude alone would win us more games than we have this season (McLeish has been particularly poor because of that), but I don't really think it will end up that much more entertaining or take us forward as a club really.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Considering we rarely put a decent cross in do we want a manager who seems to rely a fair bit on piling the crosses in?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 09:29:22 PM
I'm not convinced Lambert solely goes for a direct style, as I've said he varies it. I've seen Norwich play good passing football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:29:35 PM
its got to be better than Bruce , Curbishley and the ex Wolves bloke  thou 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:27:08 PM
I don't see why people are warming to this 'piling in the crosses' approach which we've seen the limitations of massively. Even with massive backing, MON-ball had huge limitations, and Lambert would not have that backing. The lack of a defeatist attitude alone would win us more games than we have this season (McLeish has been particularly poor because of that), but I don't really think it will end up that much more entertaining or take us forward as a club really.
The difference between then and now being that safety from relegation before the clocks change would be taking the club forward at the moment. And MON-ball (as you quite nicely phrase it) is absolutely fine for that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
I just think Lambert is going to be a future top manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

If you provide a sensible selection, I'll happily oblige.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

If you provide a sensible selection, I'll happily oblige.

Cheers Sir! People are offering up Paul Lambert, Gus Poyet, Roberto Martinez, Monty & John e or A. Foreigner. How about that? Any others?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 09:29:22 PM
I'm not convinced Lambert solely goes for a direct style, as I've said he varies it. I've seen Norwich play good passing football.

Absolutely, but he'd have to go further down that route to a) get the best out of our better players, b) provide the sort of entertainment we've been craving and c) to take us further as a club.

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
I just think Lambert is going to be a future top manager

Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:29:35 PM
its got to be better than Bruce , Curbishley and the ex Wolves bloke  thou 

Well yeah, but is it really Lambert possibly and then that level of appointment?

Quote from: Dave on April 27, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:27:08 PM
I don't see why people are warming to this 'piling in the crosses' approach which we've seen the limitations of massively. Even with massive backing, MON-ball had huge limitations, and Lambert would not have that backing. The lack of a defeatist attitude alone would win us more games than we have this season (McLeish has been particularly poor because of that), but I don't really think it will end up that much more entertaining or take us forward as a club really.
The difference between then and now being that safety from relegation before the clocks change would be taking the club forward at the moment. And MON-ball (as you quite nicely phrase it) is absolutely fine for that.

True, but I'm an optimist and I'd still like to see us aiming as high as possible. There's some real potential at this club waiting to be unlocked. A safe-pair-of-hands appointment would see us not fall into ruin, but I still think we should aim a little higher than that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

If you provide a sensible selection, I'll happily oblige.

Cheers Sir! People are offering up Paul Lambert, Gus Poyet, Roberto Martinez, Monty & John e or A. Foreigner. How about that? Any others?

The clue is in the word 'sensible'. Lambert, Poyet, Martinez and who else?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 09:37:20 PM
I dont know If Lambert is possible?     I think he could be . What worries me is the owners .  Have they got a clue.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
Ours? Absolutely not with regards to football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

If you provide a sensible selection, I'll happily oblige.

Cheers Sir! People are offering up Paul Lambert, Gus Poyet, Roberto Martinez, Monty & John e or A. Foreigner. How about that? Any others?

The clue is in the word 'sensible'. Lambert, Poyet, Martinez and who else?

I don't know what you're saying Leeg. John and I represent the choice of the future and of the people. You can't cockblock progress.

In all seriousness, how about "Other: Lower Leagues" and "Other: Abroad" options, asking to specify who?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
Are those the only three potential options then? How about Rodgers or Benitez? Guardiola even?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on April 27, 2012, 09:43:28 PM
Tango or Samba its the style that counts now after all the dirge
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
Put a poll up and let's have some fun with it, and don't forget to include Monty and Johne!

If you provide a sensible selection, I'll happily oblige.

Cheers Sir! People are offering up Paul Lambert, Gus Poyet, Roberto Martinez, Monty & John e or A. Foreigner. How about that? Any others?

The clue is in the word 'sensible'. Lambert, Poyet, Martinez and who else?

I was hoping to make it fun, it's not like the club or anyone are going to pay too much attention to it, but ....

Other names suggested on here (from memory) have been Benitez, AVB and Di Canio.

I won't list Guardiola because that isn't sensible  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Sanchez Flores?  Linked with the post last time.  Even said he was keen when asked about it, the nutter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on April 27, 2012, 09:46:22 PM
Adkins
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 27, 2012, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
Are those the only three potential options then? How about Rodgers or Benitez? Guardiola even?

Benitez is perhaps realistic but at quite a stretch still, sadly. Guardiola no chance, and other clubs would get there for Rodgers before we did, you'd suspect. Besides, I'm not certain he wants to leave Swansea yet, certainly not for such a potentially problematic job as Villa.

Quote from: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Sanchez Flores?  Linked with the post last time.  Even said he was keen when asked about it, the nutter.

Now that's a good shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Hasn't Di Matteo been mentioned a few times?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Hasn't Di Matteo been mentioned a few times?

Yep, as have JG and Sir Brian I believe. Any more?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
If people REALLY want another pointless poll, why not just pick the top ten names on Oddschecker for who our next manager will be?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
It doesn't matter, was only trying to have a laugh with it. Forget it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Apologies. Just being Friday-night-grumpy.

As you were.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 27, 2012, 10:07:16 PM
Bob Bradley, Alan Curbishley and Steve Bruce. They're bound to be high up in the betting, which is a depressing thought.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ez on April 27, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
Where's Kevin Keegan these days?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
First call should be to AVB.
After that take your pick from Poyet, Adkins, Lambert, Flores, Rodgers, AN Other (from abroad), Bernitez, etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 10:13:44 PM
Unfortunately there's no one between the manager we'd love to have here and the one's we wouldn't consider in a million years... which is why we'll probably end up with Curbishley. We'd better get used to it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: gervilla on April 27, 2012, 10:14:50 PM
Steve Staunton. He was at the game midweek scouting for Martinoneillssunderland.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Seriously what has everybody got against Curbishley  ???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 27, 2012, 10:45:48 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Seriously what has everybody got against Curbishley  ???
He is crap on FIFA83.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
He may turn out to be our Alan Pardew. It's not like we've got too many other options.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Seriously what has everybody got against Curbishley  ???

That's the most obvious trolling nonsense you've come up with yet, HWV.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Seriously what has everybody got against Curbishley  ???

He was shit in Emlyn Hughes International Soccer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
First call should be to AVB.
After that take your pick from Poyet, Adkins, Lambert, Flores, Rodgers, AN Other (from abroad), Bernitez, etc.


AN Other sounds good,
i remember good times on here when we signed a player called No One,
 in fact MON tended to sign the same player every window, we never saw him play but he was still on 46k a week
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 11:15:01 PM
I find it so depressing that people think we could get AVB. It shows how unrealistic the expectations of some of our fans are.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
I honestly think if we go down we'll end up with Mick Mccarthy or Steve Bruce.

Staying up I think we'll try again for Martinez, no idea beyond that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
I honestly think if we go down we'll end up with Mick Mccarthy or Steve Bruce.

I do hope your wrong, but after the last appointment I would not bet against it.

I suppose they both have Premier experience and know the area.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
James Nursery on Twitter reckons that although Villa haven't made contact, he's heard that Lambert would take the Villa job if it was offered. Maybe there's hope..?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 27, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
I honestly think if we go down we'll end up with Mick Mccarthy or Steve Bruce.

I do hope your wrong, but after the last appointment I would not bet against it.


i honestly think they might have leant some valuable lessons from last time,
 i cant see them doing things the same this time around
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
James Nursery on Twitter reckons that although Villa haven't made contact, he's heard that Lambert would take the Villa job if it was offered. Maybe there's hope..?

It's a definite step up from Norwich, most of the cuts and savings amongst the squad will have been made by now at Villa, or at least when Heskey, Cuellar and Guzan go in the summer.  There will be a few more out I reckon with the likes of the fringe players being sold, so Lambert would come in and be given more of a free hand.  This will no doubts also be a part of the excuse for McLeish, no money, no support from the fans in what I reckon will be a gone by mutual consent type statement.  I wouldn't care what he said, he'd be gone.  That's all that counts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hoppo on April 27, 2012, 11:44:03 PM
Lambert, Martinez, Clark, Hoddle, Poyet, McClaren, Curbishley, Mcdermott or get brave with Laursen and Mellberg dream team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on April 27, 2012, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 27, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
James Nursery on Twitter reckons that although Villa haven't made contact, he's heard that Lambert would take the Villa job if it was offered. Maybe there's hope..?

It's a definite step up from Norwich, most of the cuts and savings amongst the squad will have been made by now at Villa, or at least when Heskey, Cuellar and Guzan go in the summer.  There will be a few more out I reckon with the likes of the fringe players being sold, so Lambert would come in and be given more of a free hand.  This will no doubts also be a part of the excuse for McLeish, no money, no support from the fans in what I reckon will be a gone by mutual consent type statement.  I wouldn't care what he said, he'd be gone.  That's all that counts.

I'm not sure about Lambert. Could be a Mike Walker to Everton situation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Terry Jones on April 28, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Myself can:t see why any true villa fan would want to put names forward for the managers job most sorry all those mentioned are either failures or unproven.Yes get rid of the Moron we have but bring in some one who is a proven manager at the highest level or villa will never be a force to be reckoned ever again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: joe_c on April 28, 2012, 01:29:04 AM
You've even put an angry face on it, bless.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 28, 2012, 01:33:55 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 11:15:01 PM
I find it so depressing that people think we could get AVB. It shows how unrealistic the expectations of some of our fans are.

Who said we could get him?  The point is, Villa should at least ask.  Start at the top of the list and work our way down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 28, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Myself can:t see why any true villa fan would want to put names forward for the managers job most sorry all those mentioned are either failures or unproven.Yes get rid of the Moron we have but bring in some one who is a proven manager at the highest level or villa will never be a force to be reckoned ever again.

And your suggestion is?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 01:46:03 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 28, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Myself can:t see why any true villa fan would want to put names forward for the managers job most sorry all those mentioned are either failures or unproven.Yes get rid of the Moron we have but bring in some one who is a proven manager at the highest level or villa will never be a force to be reckoned ever again.

I would counteract that Terry with how can an unproven manager prove himself at the highest level if he isn't given a job at a big club?  I think we could see a managerial merry-go-round this summer, triggered by Redknapp taking the England job.  Moyes to Tottenham maybe, leaving a vacancy at Everton, which in turn could be filled by another Premiership manager.  We need to strike early if we are going to do it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 28, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Myself can:t see why any true villa fan would want to put names forward for the managers job most sorry all those mentioned are either failures or unproven.Yes get rid of the Moron we have but bring in some one who is a proven manager at the highest level or villa will never be a force to be reckoned ever again.

And your suggestion is?

Looking back through his posts he'd go for David Moyes. Who many have mentioned and whose credentials, while good, aren't all that much better than others mentioned. Besides which, I'd be very surprised if he came.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on April 28, 2012, 02:02:06 AM
If McLeish does go, I can't see us getting someone like Moyes. We are not going to pay big money out for another manager as well as paying McLeish off.

I think we'll end up with an unproven manager or someone who has not quite cut the mustard at another club and is looking for another chance, all that we can hope is that RL and PF realise that they are not up to making the decision on there own and get some help from people who know the game, know what we need and can help the club get the best candidate for the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 28, 2012, 02:54:41 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 27, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Seriously what has everybody got against Curbishley  ???

That's the most obvious trolling nonsense you've come up with yet, HWV.

If Alan Pardew had been suggested as Villa manager on here a couple of years ago, nobody would be interested.

But look at how well he's done at Newcastle.

Before he went to Newcastle, I would say that Curbishley had probably a better reputation than Pardew.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 02:56:51 AM
Lambert didn't exactly say what I would want to hear if I was a Norwich fan in his press conference today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on April 28, 2012, 03:00:11 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 02:56:51 AM
Lambert didn't exactly say what I would want to hear if I was a Norwich fan in his press conference today.

Just come on, what did he say?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on April 28, 2012, 03:04:41 AM
Judging by how far we've fallen, the track record of managerial recruitment and money available we wont have many options that excite us i'm afraid.

If we discounted the fantasy AVB style appointments, focused on the genuine candidates we would attract and the circumstances that they would have to work under it would be between Poyet and Curbishley.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 03:10:11 AM
Quote from: The Left Side on April 28, 2012, 03:00:11 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 02:56:51 AM
Lambert didn't exactly say what I would want to hear if I was a Norwich fan in his press conference today.

Just come on, what did he say?

No comment.


Norwich City boss Paul Lambert is upset over rumours linking him with Aston Villa.

The Scot has been mentioned as a replacement for Alex McLeish.

"Speculation about players is something you can never do anything about. It happens with managers as well and you can never stop that," the Norwich manager told a press conference.

"If my players get linked with other teams, there is not a thing I can do about that. It is the same situation about myself.

"However, it is extremely unfair with me being linked with Aston Villa when they have got a really good manager up there who is doing everything he can to stay in the league.

"It is an unfair comment for me to say anything on that."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on April 28, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Paul Lambert said:
"...it is extremely unfair with me being linked with Aston Villa when they have got a really good manager up there who is doing everything he can to stay in the league.

I question his judgement already.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:19:07 AM
Mentioned it in a previous post, but John Deehan said in a radio interview earlier in the week that it was stipulated last summer that the new manager could only bring one member of his coaching staff with him and that they had to work with the existing coaches (K Mac and Sid) .  Deehan said that he thought that was the reason a number of candidates turned the job down and surely it would be a sticking  point if they are hiring again this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 03:25:16 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 01:47:18 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 28, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
Myself can:t see why any true villa fan would want to put names forward for the managers job most sorry all those mentioned are either failures or unproven.Yes get rid of the Moron we have but bring in some one who is a proven manager at the highest level or villa will never be a force to be reckoned ever again.

And your suggestion is?

Looking back through his posts he'd go for David Moyes. Who many have mentioned and whose credentials, while good, aren't all that much better than others mentioned. Besides which, I'd be very surprised if he came.

I'd love Moyes to come. But as you've said, it's not going to happen.

And he certainly wouldn't fit Terry's criteria of success at the highest level... presumably that means having won the Champions League, Premier League or La Liga? So basically only the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Hitzfeld or Ferguson would do.

I just want someone to come in that makes me feel excited about what's going to happen, either through a slight sense of the unknown or through it being someone who inspires trust. I don't mind what he's done before, but I want to know what his plans are for Villa. Of the names mentioned so far, the one that I find interesting is Di Matteo. The other one who I wouldn't at all mind is Hodgson, perhaps with a younger assistant to bring through, maybe someone like Laursen.

I had a look at the odds on Oddschecker earlier. Some interesting names. Bielsa is only 14/1. That'd be nice. Unlikely, but nice!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:35:17 AM
What are the feelings about Mark Hughes?  Considering QPR's position when he took over, I would be amazed if he hasn't got a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if they are relegated.  I have always really rated Mark Hughes as a manager and I think he'd be a good fit at Villa.  Despite their position, Ithink he has done a pretty good job at QPR and he made some pretty astute signings in January. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 03:56:23 AM
No thanks from me on Hughes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2012, 05:19:07 AM
Considering the mess we're in, we should be looking to appoint a young-ish up'n'coming manager to bring the kids through rather than someone like AVB or Benitez who would no doubt rely on a large transfer budget. For me the realistic shortlist should look something like...

Rodgers
Di Matteo
Lambert

...Rodgers would be my number one target given the playing style, coaching and current crop of players at the club. If Swansea had a goalscorer like Bent in the team they would comfortably be in the top half given the chances they create and waste, and if anyone can get the best out of our experienced and young players then my money would be on Rodgers.

In recent interviews he hasnt committed his future to Swansea so I'm sure he could be tempted away if we manage to stay up this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
Rodgers style of play definitely seems to be more attractive than Lambert's.

Crucially, it's effective too.  His team keeps the ball better ergo they have less defending to do - hence then have a better goals against record than Norwich.  They (Swansea) did have a problem putting their chances away earlier in the season. But the hope would be if Rodgers (or similar) came here and sets the team up to attack, a forward like Bent would gobble up those chances.

Rodgers spent a long stint at Chelsea too under Mourinho, and still has the inside track on some of their younger players who -whilst they might not quite be good enough for a top 4 side- could possibly  be good enough for us.

The problem is he's already been linked with the likes of Tottingham and even Man Citeh.  Would be natural enough if that was to go to his head somewhat and alter his thinking. Even if nothing comes of those links, he might feel that the Villa job doesn't quite represent the step up required to leave a job he loves doing, a board he trusts and a club where the fans love him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 28, 2012, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 27, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
First call should be to AVB.
After that take your pick from Poyet, Adkins, Lambert, Flores, Rodgers, AN Other (from abroad), Bernitez, etc.


AN Other sounds good,
i remember good times on here when we signed a player called No One,
 in fact MON tended to sign the same player every window, we never saw him play but he was still on 46k a week

Signed at the same time as Jack Shit wasn't he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2012, 10:01:51 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:19:07 AM
Mentioned it in a previous post, but John Deehan said in a radio interview earlier in the week that it was stipulated last summer that the new manager could only bring one member of his coaching staff with him and that they had to work with the existing coaches (K Mac and Sid) .  Deehan said that he thought that was the reason a number of candidates turned the job down and surely it would be a sticking  point if they are hiring again this summer.

Well that's something they need to look at then. Cost cutting if it potentially causes relegation is insane.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: jeowje on April 28, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
I find it outrageous that anyone could think that AVB would be a good choice... all we really know about him is that he turned Chelsea into powderpuff, mid table side- what actually are his strengths??

In the light of Chelsea's immediate upturn since his departure, his effect on the club seems rather 'McLeish-ish'.

However, if Chelsea do go and make another high profile appointment in the summer, a la Guardiola, that might leave Di Matteo looking for a job...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: jeowje on April 28, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
I find it outrageous that anyone could think that AVB would be a good choice... all we really know about him is that he turned Chelsea into powderpuff, mid table side- what actually are his strengths??

It's hardly outrageous. We also know that he became the youngest manager ever to win a European trophy, and managed only the second team every to win a Portuguese League Championship unbeaten.

The Chelsea job didn't go well for him, but I wonder how much of that was down to the senior 'pros' there, in a similar situation to Houllier here last season, resenting the fact he was trying to change the culture.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 28, 2012, 10:52:46 AM
have bookies already got odds on who the next Villa manager will be ?

if so how long have they been quoting these prices ?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: john e on April 28, 2012, 10:52:46 AM
have bookies already got odds on who the next Villa manager will be ?

if so how long have they been quoting these prices ?



I would guess they have markets for all clubs' next managers. I would also guess that the usual suspects are mentioned on them all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: jeowje on April 28, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
I find it outrageous that anyone could think that AVB would be a good choice... all we really know about him is that he turned Chelsea into powderpuff, mid table side- what actually are his strengths??

It's hardly outrageous. We also know that he became the youngest manager ever to win a European trophy, and managed only the second team every to win a Portuguese League Championship unbeaten.

The Chelsea job didn't go well for him, but I wonder how much of that was down to the senior 'pros' there, in a similar situation to Houllier here last season, resenting the fact he was trying to change the culture.

Agreed. His time there strikes me as a bit of a Clough-at-Leeds thing. AVB fell out with Mourinho a couple of years ago, like Clough and Revie, and many of those senior pros, who still consider themselves Jose's guys, would not have taken kindly to this young upstart trying to change everything. In the end, it wasn't to last. But like Clough, AVB will come back somewhere and be a great manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on April 28, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
Lambert is realistic and has done just about enough to prove that he deserves a bigger job than Norwich.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Stu on April 28, 2012, 03:13:01 AM
Quote from: Paul Lambert said:
"...it is extremely unfair with me being linked with Aston Villa when they have got a really good manager up there who is doing everything he can to stay in the league.

I question his judgement already.


Contradicts itself that sentence  , very good manager and trying to stay in the league . 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: john e on April 28, 2012, 10:52:46 AM
have bookies already got odds on who the next Villa manager will be ?

if so how long have they been quoting these prices ?


Only two bookies shown at the moment on Oddschecker.
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager

I can't believe it was less than a year ago that I was checking that site on a daily basis, watching the odds for Moyes and Ancelotti tumble!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 28, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:35:17 AM
What are the feelings about Mark Hughes?  Considering QPR's position when he took over, I would be amazed if he hasn't got a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if they are relegated.  I have always really rated Mark Hughes as a manager and I think he'd be a good fit at Villa.  Despite their position, Ithink he has done a pretty good job at QPR and he made some pretty astute signings in January.

Still don't understand why we didn't appoint Hughes in the first place.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on April 28, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 28, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:35:17 AM
What are the feelings about Mark Hughes?  Considering QPR's position when he took over, I would be amazed if he hasn't got a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if they are relegated.  I have always really rated Mark Hughes as a manager and I think he'd be a good fit at Villa.  Despite their position, Ithink he has done a pretty good job at QPR and he made some pretty astute signings in January.

Still don't understand why we didn't appoint Hughes in the first place.

Hughes?  Not for me.  Turgid football, no record of nurturing youngsters, no loyalty...

For me, he's just not the right fit for Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 28, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
I'm sure somebody said he wanted a get out clause if the Top 4 came in for him. Not sure how true that is
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2012, 12:24:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on April 28, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 28, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2012, 03:35:17 AM
What are the feelings about Mark Hughes?  Considering QPR's position when he took over, I would be amazed if he hasn't got a clause in his contract that allows him to leave if they are relegated.  I have always really rated Mark Hughes as a manager and I think he'd be a good fit at Villa.  Despite their position, Ithink he has done a pretty good job at QPR and he made some pretty astute signings in January.

Still don't understand why we didn't appoint Hughes in the first place.

Hughes?  Not for me.  Turgid football, no record of nurturing youngsters, no loyalty...

For me, he's just not the right fit for Villa.

Yes, I agree with that. I can't imagine Hughes as Vila manager, and I'm not sure I want to.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 28, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
For those of you wanting Woy of the Albion, take a look at the article in The Sun today where he too thinks that McLeech has done a good job for Villa! What are these people taking?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 28, 2012, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: James on April 28, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
For those of you wanting Woy of the Albion, take a look at the article in The Sun today where he too thinks that McLeech has done a good job for Villa! What are these people taking?

I think that's just another case of the managers union,don't slag off a fellow manager in public,which is understandable considering what Woy went through last season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2012, 12:48:09 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 28, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
I'm sure somebody said he wanted a get out clause if the Top 4 came in for him. Not sure how true that is

hes not modest then
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: the-farmer on April 28, 2012, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on April 28, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
Lambert is realistic and has done just about enough to prove that he deserves a bigger job than Norwich.

err I'd rather avoid Scottish managers - McLeish, McNeil, Docherty, any of them done us any favours ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: the-farmer on April 28, 2012, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9 on April 28, 2012, 11:39:03 AM
Lambert is realistic and has done just about enough to prove that he deserves a bigger job than Norwich.

err I'd rather avoid Scottish managers - McLeish, McNeil, Docherty, any of them done us any favours ?

Yeah, Ferguson, Shankly, Stein, Moyes even - load of rubbish.

And Villa have never done well out of Scottish managers. Our first chairman definitely wasn't Scottish, and our secretary-manager George Ramsey who helped us clean up pre-war was anything but from Scotland (apart from the being Scottish bit, obviously).

Come to think of it, Houllier wasn't that good for us, so I'd definitely turn down Laurent Blanc. And Fernando Nelson never shook up any trees, so Jose Mourinho would be rubbish. And I once went to a rubbish tapas restaurant, so Guardiola? No chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
Could be weird last game of the season , If Villa want Lambert .

His team really turns it on so he shows Lerner what he can do , while sending us down and then thinks I dont want to be in the championship , so no thanks.   

Lets hope we are already up  , sack McLeish and then go there with Mac and Sid  , and get Lambert in the summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 28, 2012, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
Could be weird last game of the season , If Villa want Lambert .

His team really turns it on so he shows Lerner what he can do , while sending us down and then thinks I dont want to be in the championship , so no thanks.   

Lets hope we are already up  , sack McLeish and then go there with Mac and Sid  , and get Lambert in the summer.


he could come back with us in the club bus
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 28, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
If we go down there will def be a change, if we stay up it will still be considered, but I suspect AM may hold on another season.  Last season we had a decent shot at getting someone like Moyles, but that ship has now sailed and we have to look at the next level down and I think Lambert would be a good short.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on April 28, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 28, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
If we go down there will def be a change, if we stay up it will still be considered, but I suspect AM may hold on another season.  Last season we had a decent shot at getting someone like Moyles, but that ship has now sailed and we have to look at the next level down and I think Lambert would be a good short.

AM is done, his time is up. As for Chris Moyles, I think he's happy at Radio 1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2012, 06:00:39 PM
Forget Lambert, Norwich are rubbish, haha.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 28, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
If we go down there will def be a change, if we stay up it will still be considered, but I suspect AM may hold on another season.  Last season we had a decent shot at getting someone like Moyles, but that ship has now sailed and we have to look at the next level down and I think Lambert would be a good short.

No way. McL's already gone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
can people please stop giving credence to the idea that McLeish will be here next season!
This is officially our worst ever season - EVER!
If Lerner keeps him there will only be tumbleweed blowing through an empty Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent

i wouldnt give him another chance
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 28, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
We have all seen the film The Damed United!Do you not think that the same could be happening?"Your boys wont play for me" Same as McLeish, fuck off and save some dignity for yourself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent

i wouldnt give him another chance

He didnt have a chance before as he'd already gave his word to stay at Wigan before we approached him.
This time, it would be different perhaps.

I'd worry about how his teams spend three quarters of the season being ropey and a quarter being imperious, but maybe thats the restraints of the club he's at. I wouldn't be as against it as I might once have been though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent

i wouldnt give him another chance

He didnt have a chance before as he'd already gave his word to stay at Wigan before we approached him.
This time, it would be different perhaps.

I'd worry about how his teams spend three quarters of the season being ropey and a quarter being imperious, but maybe thats the restraints of the club he's at. I wouldn't be as against it as I might once have been though.


i suppose it beats 4 quarters ropey as we are now   ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent

i wouldnt give him another chance

He didnt have a chance before as he'd already gave his word to stay at Wigan before we approached him.
This time, it would be different perhaps.

I'd worry about how his teams spend three quarters of the season being ropey and a quarter being imperious, but maybe thats the restraints of the club he's at. I wouldn't be as against it as I might once have been though.

The same oud be said of Moyes who hasn't started a season before Christmas. It might also be possible to argue that it took Martinez this long to get his message across and his team are now buying into what he's been preaching. I watched a bit of their game today and their movement puts us to shame. Then again, the movement and invention of mountains make us look slow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
Quote from: myf on April 28, 2012, 07:45:37 PM
Martinez could do a good job with the youngsters, nzog, gabby and bent

i wouldnt give him another chance

He didnt have a chance before as he'd already gave his word to stay at Wigan before we approached him.
This time, it would be different perhaps.

I'd worry about how his teams spend three quarters of the season being ropey and a quarter being imperious, but maybe thats the restraints of the club he's at. I wouldn't be as against it as I might once have been though.

The same oud be said of Moyes who hasn't started a season before Christmas. It might also be possible to argue that it took Martinez this long to get his message across and his team are now buying into what he's been preaching. I watched a bit of their game today and their movement puts us to shame. Then again, the movement and invention of mountains make us look slow.

Didn't they do pretty much the same thing last season though?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 10:44:27 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:41:44 PM
The same oud be said of Moyes who hasn't started a season before Christmas. It might also be possible to argue that it took Martinez this long to get his message across and his team are now buying into what he's been preaching. I watched a bit of their game today and their movement puts us to shame. Then again, the movement and invention of mountains make us look slow.

I've wondered about this. He does tend to lose important, if not crucial, players every season. Maybe it takes him that time to get his message across to that level of player. Hopefully with our youngsters he'd find himself preaching to the choir somewhat, after the work of K Mac, Sid and and Tony McAndrew.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 10:46:55 PM
Having checked last seasons results (i'm sad like that) they won 4, drew 3 and lost 2 at the end of the season. Having won 1 of their previous 12.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Be brave Randy and go for Benitez. Show that Aston Villa wants to compete. He'd have us competing for the top six within two seasons I reckon and with much less money than spunked away by MON.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Be brave Randy and go for Benitez. Show that Aston Villa wants to compete. He'd have us competing for the top six within two seasons I reckon and with much less money than spunked away by MON.

Fuck no. He'd want millions just to walk through the door, millions more to waste on a bunch of talentless French and Spanish players as we pray he finds the next Torres or Alonso. Then as the heat goes up he'll be reading bollocks from scrawls on a napkin. He had a lot of resources at Inter and fucked that up. He's not a good fit for us at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
We don't want to repeat the Houllier experience with Benitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on April 28, 2012, 11:00:29 PM
Villa Boas for me, as he still has something to prove in the Premier League and has shown he can build a club up from within whilst competing in Europe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: charleeco7 on April 28, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
Paolo di Canio anyone? It'd be entertaining on and off the pitch at least.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Be brave Randy and go for Benitez. Show that Aston Villa wants to compete. He'd have us competing for the top six within two seasons I reckon and with much less money than spunked away by MON.

Fuck no. He'd want millions just to walk through the door, millions more to waste on a bunch of talentless French and Spanish players as we pray he finds the next Torres or Alonso. Then as the heat goes up he'll be reading bollocks from scrawls on a napkin. He had a lot of resources at Inter and fucked that up. He's not a good fit for us at all.

He was interviewed last time.

Randy cut the interview short when Benitez said how much transfer money he'd need to make a good fist of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Be brave Randy and go for Benitez. Show that Aston Villa wants to compete. He'd have us competing for the top six within two seasons I reckon and with much less money than spunked away by MON.

Fuck no. He'd want millions just to walk through the door, millions more to waste on a bunch of talentless French and Spanish players as we pray he finds the next Torres or Alonso. Then as the heat goes up he'll be reading bollocks from scrawls on a napkin. He had a lot of resources at Inter and fucked that up. He's not a good fit for us at all.

He was interviewed last time.

Randy cut the interview short when Benitez said how much transfer money he'd need to make a good fist of it.


 Oh I know. They wouldn't have go round to his contract demands. There's no doubt that he is a good manager, but we don't need any more off the field nonsense. We need to find someone that gets on with the job and wants to build an attractive and successful team. Have a personality but be humble with it. I like AVB. I thought he handled hs brief time at Chelsea quite well and with dignity despite the pressure finally getting the better of him. For me, he can be our very own Wenger. He's astute, young and he'll be hungry to redeem himself. Unfortunately, it's also very unlikely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 29, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
We don't want to repeat the Houllier experience with Benitez.

I think he'd be better than Houllier. He knows the game pretty well, took Liverpool to second. Give him a few years and he'd do a decent job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
I actually think, this time, the appointment of getting a football man (or two) on the board with some clout and vision is probably more important.
I dont want anybody on that current board making any footballing decisions after that.

Go and get Cryuff, Comolli, Eriksson... whoever.
Give them the brief and let them appoint accordingly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 29, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
We don't want to repeat the Houllier experience with Benitez.

I think he'd be better than Houllier. He knows the game pretty well, took Liverpool to second. Give him a few years and he'd do a decent job.

He had his chance fuck him, he wanted too much money I don't want a chequebook manager we need someone who can bring the kids through and spot talent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on April 29, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
We won't be challenging at the top end so can we get someone in who will entertain us with a style of play that makes people want to watch us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2012, 06:18:39 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
I actually think, this time, the appointment of getting a football man (or two) on the board with some clout and vision is probably more important.
I dont want anybody on that current board making any footballing decisions after that.

Go and get Cryuff, Comolli, Eriksson... whoever.
Give them the brief and let them appoint accordingly.

Correct, unless Lerner acknowledges the problems start at the top down we will see the same mistakes repeating themselves. The last time the managers job was vacant they treated it as if it was any old managerial job where applicants can send in their resume' suprised it wasn't posted in the local labour exchange. This is a specialised area and needs someone with a grounding in the industry to see it through.Don't let Faulkner anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
I actually think, this time, the appointment of getting a football man (or two) on the board with some clout and vision is probably more important.
I dont want anybody on that current board making any footballing decisions after that.

Go and get Cryuff, Comolli, Eriksson... whoever.
Give them the brief and let them appoint accordingly.

agreed, we need someon with 'clout and vision' (D.Bowie ?)  and CONTACTS too, Faulkener is no footballing man,
which is why we're like a ship with no rudder... 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on April 29, 2012, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
I actually think, this time, the appointment of getting a football man (or two) on the board with some clout and vision is probably more important.
I dont want anybody on that current board making any footballing decisions after that.

Go and get Cryuff, Comolli, Eriksson... whoever.
Give them the brief and let them appoint accordingly.
Or Sir Graham Taylor. Yes we need someone like him to come in and shake the whole place up like he done the first time round. Someone who is brutally honest and knows how a club should be run from top to bottom.
From a managers point of view he extended his whole beyond just managing the first team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 29, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
I actually think, this time, the appointment of getting a football man (or two) on the board with some clout and vision is probably more important.
I dont want anybody on that current board making any footballing decisions after that.

Go and get Cryuff, Comolli, Eriksson... whoever.
Give them the brief and let them appoint accordingly.

That's it. It still worries me to death that we will replace Mcleish with A.good manager and Faulkner will still be running the football side of things. We need an experienced DOF.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dicedlam on April 29, 2012, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 12:16:36 AM
We need to find someone that gets on with the job and wants to build an attractive and successful team. Have a personality but be humble with it. I like AVB. I thought he handled hs brief time at Chelsea quite well and with dignity despite the pressure finally getting the better of him. For me, he can be our very own Wenger. He's astute, young and he'll be hungry to redeem himself. Unfortunately, it's also very unlikely.
I doubt AVB would be interested in the Villa job. I reckon he see's himself in a lot higher profile club than us.
I agree with you tv on getting someone that is not high maintenance. We need a manager who is passionate, gets on with the job and believes in playing the game the way it should be.

I would go for Brendan Rodgers or Gus Poyet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
Be brave Randy and go for Benitez. Show that Aston Villa wants to compete. He'd have us competing for the top six within two seasons I reckon and with much less money than spunked away by MON.

Fuck no. He'd want millions just to walk through the door, millions more to waste on a bunch of talentless French and Spanish players as we pray he finds the next Torres or Alonso. Then as the heat goes up he'll be reading bollocks from scrawls on a napkin. He had a lot of resources at Inter and fucked that up. He's not a good fit for us at all.

He was interviewed last time.

Randy cut the interview short when Benitez said how much transfer money he'd need to make a good fist of it.


 Oh I know. They wouldn't have go round to his contract demands. There's no doubt that he is a good manager, but we don't need any more off the field nonsense. We need to find someone that
gets on with the job and wants to build an attractive and successful team. Have a personality but be humble with it. I like AVB. I thought he handled hs brief time at Chelsea quite well and with dignity despite the pressure finally getting the better of him. For me, he can be our very own Wenger. He's astute, young and he'll be hungry to redeem himself. Unfortunately, it's also very unlikely.

No not contract demands, it didn't get that far.

It was Benitez's thoughts on how much transfer money he wanted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 29, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on April 29, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
We won't be challenging at the top end so can we get someone in who will entertain us with a style of play that makes people want to watch us.
Exactly, a young up and coming manager with some idea of attractive football. One of the more depressing aspects of this season has been becoming the team that no one wants to watch
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fuse on April 29, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
I'd have John Gregory or Sir Brian back with a younger upcoming coach like a Laursen or Melberg under them.

We need Villa men or people who 'get' the club involved
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: RunRickyRun on April 29, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
I'm probably alone but I wouldn't mind Curbishley been given a go. I think he would work well with K Mac and the youngsters.

Sven, Rafa, Martinez, Holloway or Di Matteo (if he fails to get the Chelsea job) would also be decent appointments.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: RunRickyRun on April 29, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
I'm probably alone but I wouldn't mind Curbishley been given a go. I think he would work well with K Mac and the youngsters.

Sven, Rafa, Martinez, Holloway or Di Matteo (if he fails to get the Chelsea job) would also be decent appointments.

I think you probably are alone on that one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 29, 2012, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Fuse on April 29, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
We need Villa men or people who 'get' the club involved
No we don't. We need competent people who 'get' football management.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Lambert would be a good choice for the simple fact that I believe he would do well.

That confidence would be shared across the fanbase, throw in twenty odd million and a six or seven new signings and the whole mindset of the club is changed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Ads on April 29, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Lambert would be a good choice for the simple fact that I believe he would do well.

That confidence would be shared across the fanbase, throw in twenty odd million and a six or seven new signings and the whole mindset of the club is changed.

Agreed
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom wintle on April 29, 2012, 11:01:25 AM
I'm not sure on martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 29, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
Quote from: Ads on April 29, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Lambert would be a good choice for the simple fact that I believe he would do well.

That confidence would be shared across the fanbase, throw in twenty odd million and a six or seven new signings and the whole mindset of the club is changed.

Definately.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 29, 2012, 11:05:30 AM
Benitez is probably the best we can get in term of proven ability. But he's also a risk because he has a history of starting quarrels with his superiors.

Rodgers or Lambert are perceived as up-and-coming, both could probably do a decent job and also improve given time. But we don't know how good they are when they aren't riding high on the enthusiasm of newly-promoted teams.

I wasn't too keen on Martinez last summer, and he has already rejected us once. Also, I don't understand how his team can be so shit in the first 75 per cent of the season and so brilliant in the run-in. On the plus side it seems that he has spent this season figuring out how to organize a defence.

Sven's CV should put him into serious consideration, but he does appear to have gone stale, and my feeling is that he may not be up to day-to-day club management anymore.

Personally I'd like to us to go for an up-and-coming foreigner who is a bit more proven than Rodgers or Lambert, maybe AVB if he wants to come (allthough he could probably get a more attractive offer) or someone like Thomas Tuchel from Mainz.

If we settle for mediocricy like Holloway and Curbishley there may not be much point in sacking McLeish, except for removing the ill feelings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Sven's CV should keep him out of consideration at all - if ever there was a manager who only went anywhere for the money it's him! He's done fuck all anywhere for years!

It's also telling that Benitez has been unemployed for so long!

I'm not averse to a foreigh manager, but somebody up and coming rather than one of these 'has beens' please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Cuz on April 29, 2012, 12:37:24 PM
Lambert please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on April 29, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Sven's CV should keep him out of consideration at all - if ever there was a manager who only went anywhere for the money it's him! He's done fuck all anywhere for years!

It's also telling that Benitez has been unemployed for so long!

I'm not averse to a foreigh manager, but somebody up and coming rather than one of these 'has beens' please.

So you're rejecting one because he accepts any job offer that comes his way, and the other because he is very picky?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
Rogers and Lambert,

 sounds like a packet of cigarettes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Porky on April 29, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Two of the managers on my wish list for B6 are in the studio for the Chelsea v QPR game.

Would they come though? Not in the championship for sure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on April 29, 2012, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: RunRickyRun on April 29, 2012, 10:49:44 AM
I'm probably alone but I wouldn't mind Curbishley been given a go. I think he would work well with K Mac and the youngsters.

Sven, Rafa, Martinez, Holloway or Di Matteo (if he fails to get the Chelsea job) would also be decent appointments.

I think you probably are alone on that one.

Probably? His voice alone would send me running for the hills. One of a huge swathe of average and over-rated British managers in the Premier League stretching back over donkeys years. I could do better than him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
anyway i still reckon its Pep

backed with the Qater money when they take over       ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 01:32:02 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 29, 2012, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Sven's CV should keep him out of consideration at all - if ever there was a manager who only went anywhere for the money it's him! He's done fuck all anywhere for years!

It's also telling that Benitez has been unemployed for so long!

I'm not averse to a foreigh manager, but somebody up and coming rather than one of these 'has beens' please.

So you're rejecting one because he accepts any job offer that comes his way, and the other because he is very picky?

I'd reject Sven because despite the hype he hasn't achieved anything for years (even with Citeh type money) and Benitez because he thinks he's bigger than the club he's talking to (which he may well be by now, he always was a fat bastard!).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fasth56 on April 29, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: Porky on April 29, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Two of the managers on my wish list for B6 are in the studio for the Chelsea v QPR game.

Would they come though? Not in the championship for sure.

I'm with you Porky, dream team of Hoddle and Wilkins, unfortunately I can see Hoddle being with England again soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 29, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
Rogers and Lambert,

 sounds like a packet of cigarettes

So how about we get Lambert in as manager, and to appease those who want a Villa man involved, we give the assistants job to ex 80's reserve keeper, Lee Butler.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Ads on April 29, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Lambert would be a good choice for the simple fact that I believe he would do well.

That confidence would be shared across the fanbase, throw in twenty odd million and a six or seven new signings and the whole mindset of the club is changed.

Agreed

Clearly Lambert has never had 20m to spend before but this area of his game and his MONball are my reservations about his management style.  He has history of signing older, british based players.

For the sustainability of the club we need to be signing younger players and then selling them on at a profit (and repeat).  This is that much harder  when signing 28+ year olds.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2012, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Sven's CV should keep him out of consideration at all - if ever there was a manager who only went anywhere for the money it's him! He's done fuck all anywhere for years!

It's also telling that Benitez has been unemployed for so long!

I'm not averse to a foreigh manager, but somebody up and coming rather than one of these 'has beens' please.

Lambert would definitely be my first choice, but I genuinely think Sven would be a decent option.  I saw his Leicester team play last season and was really impressed with the football they played.  Didn't work out for him this season, but they were only 2 points off the play offs when he left.  He certainly has the experience and more importantly, he has managed all over the world so would have good knowledge of the foreign markets which we will need if the budget is tight.  I think he would love another crack at the Premiership and was rumoured to be very interested before Houllier got the job.  He would certainly bring a buzz to Villa Park, but would be a bit of a risk.     
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Fuse on April 29, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
I'd have John Gregory or Sir Brian back with a younger upcoming coach like a Laursen or Melberg under them.

We need Villa men or people who 'get' the club involved

Their time has past. We need a young manager who acknowledges how big a club we are and can be. Ambitious, but knows that he can achieve a lot with us. I suppose in the Moyes mould that has stayed loyal to Everton for such a long time. It doesn't have to be from the UK either, but getting a foreign manager can have limitations as they might want to return home at some point. However, that shouldn't stop us casting the net out as far and wide as possible.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanois on April 29, 2012, 03:34:39 PM
best choice out there for me is Moyes, he could turn things around but our chances of attracting him have gone from low to zero over the last few years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
Moyes would never leave Everton to come to us.If Moyes could get some cash at Everton they would be knocking on the door of the top four every year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 03:48:11 PM
Moyes ain't coming. We need to get past that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 03:57:06 PM
As Mazrim I think said earlier, a significant problem is the lack of football knowhow and maybe even vision at board level.

We either need to go european and appoint a DoF (insert your title here) and a head coach, or we need a guy that has the X factor to run the whole club.

If we appointed a DoF then I would like to see a young, passionate, progressive coach appointed who excels at motivation and game tactics.  The big guy upstairs can deal with scouting, sports science and developing the academy i.e. the infrastructure of the club.  Probably the best of this ilk is AVB.  Other names in this category are Poyet, Di Matteo, Solkjear, Rodgers and maybe Laursen.

Alternatively we need a guy that has the imagination and work ethic to run the whole club and not just the first team.  Moyes is probably the most viable of this ilk.  Other candidates are Lambert, Benitez and any number of the “old school” british coaches.

Personally I would like to see the club go down the DoF football route so, ironically, the actual manager (or head coach role) becomes less significant.  I do not think that one person (i.e. the traditional british manager) can fully understand and excel in all aspects of the game necessary to run a whole club (not just the first team squad).

Ultimately I would like to see the club make an appointment(s) that implies that they have an over all strategy from which the club can grow rather than the seemingly ad hoc decisions that they currently make.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
If McLeish does go, I wouldn't mind us trying to get someone like Gus Poyet. Hopefully the board have learnt that proven premiership experience isn't the be all and end all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:03:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 03:22:30 PM
Quote from: Fuse on April 29, 2012, 10:38:02 AM
I'd have John Gregory or Sir Brian back with a younger upcoming coach like a Laursen or Melberg under them.

We need Villa men or people who 'get' the club involved

Are you having some sort of giraffe??!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: stubbsyandy on April 29, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Does anyone think Sir GT would come back as DoF? He seems to be freely quoted in the press on our plight recently?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if the board pursue the same strategy as last time - proven premier league manager, not prepared to go and tempt someone out of a job without the club's permission, but no real war chest. If they do, it's hard to see who we'd get, perhaps Zola, or Roy Keane. If they interpret 'premiership experience' as having PLAYED here, then perhaps Solsjkear, Bilic or Poyet too. Obviously, if Chelsea don't appoint RDM he'd have a real chance, but I suspect they're going to have to!

If they don't pursue the same approach, other names look more realistic: Lambert, Rogers, McDermott. More interesting shouts would be Bielsa or Flores, though I'd be pretty surprised.


I actually feel there's more of a field than there was this time last year, although I felt Hughes and Jol were runners then, apparently not. I think my preference order would be in the following categories:

1. (not 100% sure but happy) Lambert, Rodgers, Bielsa, Di Matteo
2. (pretty happy) Martinez,
3. (unsure but interesting) Solskjaer, Flores, Zola, Bilic, MacDonald
4 (no thanks) Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce (I'd go fucking apeshit), Bob Bradley, Keane

Realistically, top 6 is well out of sight for some time. So I really want someone who can get us playing football that is pleasing on the eye, positive and inventive, and who'll adopt somethign resembling a consistent shape and pattern of play.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2012, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:14:08 PM

Realistically, top 6 is well out of sight for some time. So I really want someone who can get us playing football that is pleasing on the eye, positive and inventive, and who'll adopt somethign resembling a consistent shape and pattern of play.


Top six is achievable with the right guy, Alan Pardew has shown that at Newcastle, but to expect top six, I agree with you that it's unlikely, not impossible, but we need to have patience with any new manager, if that's what happens.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 29, 2012, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Fasth56 on April 29, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: Porky on April 29, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Two of the managers on my wish list for B6 are in the studio for the Chelsea v QPR game.

Would they come though? Not in the championship for sure.

Hoddle's ego wouldnt get through the trinity gates. He's a massive prick. And really, what has he ever done as a manager...his world cup diary book sealed his managerial fate.

I'm with you Porky, dream team of Hoddle and Wilkins, unfortunately I can see Hoddle being with England again soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on April 29, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Does anyone think Sir GT would come back as DoF? He seems to be freely quoted in the press on our plight recently?
I read Sir Graham's piece in yesterdays Times.
Quote
"I think there are foreign owners who still haven't grasped what English football's about" Taylor says. "I'm surrounded by Villa fans where I live and, because of the secrecy that seems to surround the club these days, they don't know what's happening, partly because Randy, like a lot of overseas owners, doesn't do interviews."

He then goes on to say..............
Quote
"Before Gerard Houllier was appointed, I was asked by Paul Faulkner to meet with him and Randy Lerner after the Everton game. I went, was quite happy to offer any advice that was required, but then Randy was engaged with other guests, sent his apologies and I spoke with Paul instead.
I wasn't asked about the managerial situation, but I did say I thought if Villa were going to push on from the Martin O'Neill era, they were going to have to cover the foreign [transfer] market better.
I was put out, having gone to meet the chairman and chief executive, to hear the owner was unable to see me," he says. "I'm not so certain where the football knowledge is on the Villa board. Steve Stride was a great football secretary in my day and I do believe you need a football man on the inside. Don't worry, I'm not offering my services, but football knowledge is essential to a board."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2012, 04:50:26 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on April 29, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Does anyone think Sir GT would come back as DoF? He seems to be freely quoted in the press on our plight recently?
I read Sir Graham's piece in yesterdays Times.
Quote
"I think there are foreign owners who still haven't grasped what English football's about" Taylor says. "I'm surrounded by Villa fans where I live and, because of the secrecy that seems to surround the club these days, they don't know what's happening, partly because Randy, like a lot of overseas owners, doesn't do interviews."

He then goes on to say..............
Quote
"Before Gerard Houllier was appointed, I was asked by Paul Faulkner to meet with him and Randy Lerner after the Everton game. I went, was quite happy to offer any advice that was required, but then Randy was engaged with other guests, sent his apologies and I spoke with Paul instead.
I wasn't asked about the managerial situation, but I did say I thought if Villa were going to push on from the Martin O'Neill era, they were going to have to cover the foreign [transfer] market better.
I was put out, having gone to meet the chairman and chief executive, to hear the owner was unable to see me," he says. "I'm not so certain where the football knowledge is on the Villa board. Steve Stride was a great football secretary in my day and I do believe you need a football man on the inside. Don't worry, I'm not offering my services, but football knowledge is essential to a board."

Thanks for sharing LP; confirms all of our suspicions.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on April 29, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Does anyone think Sir GT would come back as DoF? He seems to be freely quoted in the press on our plight recently?
I read Sir Graham's piece in yesterdays Times.
Quote
"I think there are foreign owners who still haven't grasped what English football's about" Taylor says. "I'm surrounded by Villa fans where I live and, because of the secrecy that seems to surround the club these days, they don't know what's happening, partly because Randy, like a lot of overseas owners, doesn't do interviews."

He then goes on to say..............
Quote
"Before Gerard Houllier was appointed, I was asked by Paul Faulkner to meet with him and Randy Lerner after the Everton game. I went, was quite happy to offer any advice that was required, but then Randy was engaged with other guests, sent his apologies and I spoke with Paul instead.
I wasn't asked about the managerial situation, but I did say I thought if Villa were going to push on from the Martin O'Neill era, they were going to have to cover the foreign [transfer] market better.
I was put out, having gone to meet the chairman and chief executive, to hear the owner was unable to see me," he says. "I'm not so certain where the football knowledge is on the Villa board. Steve Stride was a great football secretary in my day and I do believe you need a football man on the inside. Don't worry, I'm not offering my services, but football knowledge is essential to a board."


Um. Wow. That really is something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: stubbsyandy on April 29, 2012, 04:12:31 PM
Does anyone think Sir GT would come back as DoF? He seems to be freely quoted in the press on our plight recently?
I read Sir Graham's piece in yesterdays Times.
Quote
"I think there are foreign owners who still haven't grasped what English football's about" Taylor says. "I'm surrounded by Villa fans where I live and, because of the secrecy that seems to surround the club these days, they don't know what's happening, partly because Randy, like a lot of overseas owners, doesn't do interviews."

He then goes on to say..............
Quote
"Before Gerard Houllier was appointed, I was asked by Paul Faulkner to meet with him and Randy Lerner after the Everton game. I went, was quite happy to offer any advice that was required, but then Randy was engaged with other guests, sent his apologies and I spoke with Paul instead.
I wasn't asked about the managerial situation, but I did say I thought if Villa were going to push on from the Martin O'Neill era, they were going to have to cover the foreign [transfer] market better.
I was put out, having gone to meet the chairman and chief executive, to hear the owner was unable to see me," he says. "I'm not so certain where the football knowledge is on the Villa board. Steve Stride was a great football secretary in my day and I do believe you need a football man on the inside. Don't worry, I'm not offering my services, but football knowledge is essential to a board."


Wow.  That is not good reading.  It does suggest that “the lack of footballing knowledge” excuse is real and whilst that is absolutely daft, it does mean that the problem can be easily fixed.

Can anyone post the full article?  The times have that annoying pay thingy so it’s hard to find on the net.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
Sorry I can't supply a link to the Times piece, I've just typed the quotes straight from the paper and they aren't taken out of context.
Two more from the same article........
Quote
Before Randy Lerner took over at Villa, another consortium interviewed Martin O'Neill and myself to see if I'd come back as director of football.

And..........
Quote
If they do get relegated - as Birmingham City are getting promoted in the play - offs on the other side of the city - then that has to be enough for any manager to get sacked. Villa supporters would not be able to see straight. But it's the people making the appointments who need to share responsibility.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:17:50 PM
Thanks LP.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Hm. Be interesting to see how MON would have taken to any DoF cramping his lust for absolute authority and autonomy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Hm. Be interesting to see how MON would have taken to any DoF cramping his lust for absolute authority and autonomy.

About as well as he took a CEO suggesting there wasnt a bottomless pit of money to spunk away on players he'd never use, I suspect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
Sorry I can't supply a link to the Times piece, I've just typed the quotes straight from the paper and they aren't taken out of context.
Two more from the same article........
Quote
Before Randy Lerner took over at Villa, another consortium interviewed Martin O'Neill and myself to see if I'd come back as director of football.

And..........
Quote
If they do get relegated - as Birmingham City are getting promoted in the play - offs on the other side of the city - then that has to be enough for any manager to get sacked. Villa supporters would not be able to see straight. But it's the people making the appointments who need to share responsibility.




Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Hm. Be interesting to see how MON would have taken to any DoF cramping his lust for absolute authority and autonomy.

About as well as he took a CEO suggesting there wasnt a bottomless pit of money to spunk away on players he'd never use, I suspect.

Flouncing like a like a diva who's found out she was bathed in milk from the wrong donkey.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
[quote author=Eurochamps82
Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.
[/quote]

What? Eh? QPR? (and welcome).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
[quote author=Eurochamps82
Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.

What? Eh? QPR? (and welcome).
[/quote]

Yeh, aren't they loaded. Could buy out Lerner and happy days return Man City style.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
[quote author=Eurochamps82
Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.

What? Eh? QPR? (and welcome).

Yeh, aren't they loaded. Could buy out Lerner and happy days return Man City style.
[/quote]

Yes, they've done a great job at QPR.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:45:19 PM
On an optimistic note it doesn't seem that SGT would rule himself out of the position of DOF
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
[quote author=Eurochamps82
Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.

What? Eh? QPR? (and welcome).

Yeh, aren't they loaded. Could buy out Lerner and happy days return Man City style.

Yes, they've done a great job at QPR.
[/quote]

QPR couldn't attract any top stars......we could, with top wages and a decent manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanois on April 29, 2012, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
[quote author=Eurochamps82
Unbelievable and shocking, but sums up the naivety of Lerner in running our great club. Let's hope QPRs owner's take interest when they go down! Lerner is the problem, Faulkner is only his puppet.

What? Eh? QPR? (and welcome).

Yeh, aren't they loaded. Could buy out Lerner and happy days return Man City style.

Yes, they've done a great job at QPR.

QPR couldn't attract any top stars......we could, with top wages and a decent manager.
[/quote]Didn't they increase ticket prices by a jaw dropping amount this season ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Re QPR’s owners.  There is more to football than the amount of money they have. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eurochamps82 on April 29, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Re QPR’s owners.  There is more to football than the amount of money they have. 

Every little helps.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Just a point on this groundswell of support for GT as a director of football/ technical director:  Wasn't that the brief he was given when he returned to the club in 2001?    Whilst JG was still manager.

That didn't go to well, IIRC.  The less said about his work when JG left from 2002 onwards the better. 
He is guaranteed a place in the affections of most Villa fans for what he did between 1987/90.
But things move on.   If we do embrace the model of a DoF, I'd prefer to see us broaden the search out a little.  Villa connections shouldn't be a prerequisite.  Competency should be priorities 1,2 and 3.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 06:00:56 PM
No, he'd be ideal, no desire to be manager but with a huge array of contacts and widespread support amongst the fanbase.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Just a point on this groundswell of support for GT as a director of football/ technical director:  Wasn't that the brief he was given when he returned to the club in 2001?    Whilst JG was still manager.


From what I remember he was at pains to say he wasn't a DoF or anything on the playing side; his was very much an advisory role. He later said he went to Bodymoor twice and saw a few games. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
He is guaranteed a place in the affections of most Villa fans for what he did between 1987/90.
But things move on.   If we do embrace the model of a DoF, I'd prefer to see us broaden the search out a little.  Villa connections shouldn't be a prerequisite.  Competency should be priorities 1,2 and 3.

Bang on. People are criticising Lerner for appointing people on the basis of being friends with them, then saying the way forward is to appoint people with Villa credentials like SGT and Laursen. Well, isn't that just us advocating the hiring of people we like?

No, the way to do this is to go for the best possible people without sentimentality. If these people do well at Villa, they will then have achieved hopefully similar levels of affection with Villa fans as Taylor and Laursen. We have to move on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 06:06:42 PM
There's people we like and there there are great wise football heads that bring a depth of experience, both good and bad. Coupled with his love of our club, I would advocate Sir Graham as Chairman as opposed to any director of football. We need a wise head at the top steering the ship, and there are few wiser.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 06:06:42 PM
There's people we like and there there are great wise football heads that bring a depth of experience, both good and bad. Coupled with his love of our club, I would advocate Sir Graham as Chairman as opposed to any director of football. We need a wise head at the top steering the ship, and there are few wiser.

He's 67 and chairman of Watford, who were always his club in a way we never have been.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Could not believe there was an article in the Sun last Thursday about potential replacements for Agent Orange, and Chris Hughton was mentioned, now i presume this is some twat at their sport desk just playing devils advocate, he`s Impressed so far with Blues but whats that phrase about forgetting your history and being condemned to re-live it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 07:39:31 PM
Quote from: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Could not believe there was an article in the Sun last Thursday about potential replacements for Agent Orange, and Chris Hughton was mentioned, now i presume this is some twat at their sport desk just playing devils advocate, he`s Impressed so far with Blues but whats that phrase about forgetting your history and being condemned to re-live it.

Almost every Villa fan I know actually uses the example of Hughton's potential appointment as proof that we don't care about the Blues connection. I'm glad the guy in the Sun brought up Hughton, as if he were at any other club than Blues he would also be a candidate. Good on the guy in the Sun for not subscribing to the bullshit myth about our apparent prejudice against McLeish because of his Blues connection.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 29, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Just a point on this groundswell of support for GT as a director of football/ technical director:  Wasn't that the brief he was given when he returned to the club in 2001?    Whilst JG was still manager.


From what I remember he was at pains to say he wasn't a DoF or anything on the playing side; his was very much an advisory role. He later said he went to Bodymoor twice and saw a few games. 
So, the salary he was being paid was money very well spent then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 29, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:56:17 PM
Just a point on this groundswell of support for GT as a director of football/ technical director:  Wasn't that the brief he was given when he returned to the club in 2001?    Whilst JG was still manager.


From what I remember he was at pains to say he wasn't a DoF or anything on the playing side; his was very much an advisory role. He later said he went to Bodymoor twice and saw a few games. 
So, the salary he was being paid was money very well spent then.

He wasn't paid.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on April 29, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
(Sarcastic comment retracted in full)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2012, 07:45:29 PM
Well we can scratch Uncle Woy off the list, he's shortlisted for the England job. No call to Droopy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 29, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
I like the look of Paul Lambert, he has a touch of the MON's about him.  I wouldn't say no to Martinez as well, has an eye for a player and could do well at a bigger club with better resources (resources? What resources?).  Hopefully Randy will back either of them in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on April 29, 2012, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
2. (pretty happy) Martinez

I think Wigan's current form is masking the fact that for large swathes of the season, they have been utter shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karlos96 on April 29, 2012, 07:53:40 PM
Collymore just put on Twitter a rumour that McLeish is the favourite to take over from Woy at the Baggies if he gets the England job.  Ha Ha will serve them right if he gets the job with that banner they had yesterday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: Karlos96 on April 29, 2012, 07:53:40 PM
Collymore just put on Twitter a rumour that McLeish is the favourite to take over from Woy at the Baggies if he gets the England job.  Ha Ha will serve them right if he gets the job with that banner they had yesterday.

I fear the stitches and staples in my stomach will rip open as my sides split should that happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway,
 bright atractive attacking football, stands up for whatever club he's at, doesnt talk absolute bullshit all the time with manager soundbites, has a good record with teams with a low budget

yes he is a big mouth, but i quite like that, i loved big Ron, rather that than a mealy mouthed Hughes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on April 29, 2012, 08:00:23 PM
Hopefully Woy gets the England job, it'll piss that rubbery faced twat at Tottenham off no end.  Crooked bastard (allegedly).  Woy has always been dignified with everything that he's done in football and is a very good tactician. Redcrapp is just a money yielding club wrecker.  Hopefully Tottenham finish 6th.

Lambert, Martinez for me.  David Moyes would be my number one choice but I think he could end up at Man United or Chelsea at some point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 29, 2012, 08:02:55 PM
One name that is missing who was a big favourite last time is Mr X. Pretty sure Matt Kendrick was convinced he was coming here. Did he turn us down or is he stilll available?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2012, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
2. (pretty happy) Martinez

I think Wigan's current form is masking the fact that for large swathes of the season, they have been utter shit.
I was all in support of Martinez for us last season before RL's "appointment".
If they are so brilliant all of a sudden why haven't they been for the previous 30 games?


TBH I think I'd still go with him. Anybody with some remote football nous would be better than what we've had this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 29, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: Karlos96 on April 29, 2012, 07:53:40 PM
Collymore just put on Twitter a rumour that McLeish is the favourite to take over from Woy at the Baggies if he gets the England job.  Ha Ha will serve them right if he gets the job with that banner they had yesterday.

I fear the stitches and staples in my stomach will rip open as my sides split should that happen.

That would be just fantastic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on April 29, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Holloway?! We really have been scarred by McLeish
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 07:39:31 PM
Quote from: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Could not believe there was an article in the Sun last Thursday about potential replacements for Agent Orange, and Chris Hughton was mentioned, now i presume this is some twat at their sport desk just playing devils advocate, he`s Impressed so far with Blues but whats that phrase about forgetting your history and being condemned to re-live it.

Almost every Villa fan I know actually uses the example of Hughton's potential appointment as proof that we don't care about the Blues connection. I'm glad the guy in the Sun brought up Hughton, as if he were at any other club than Blues he would also be a candidate. Good on the guy in the Sun for not subscribing to the bullshit myth about our apparent prejudice against McLeish because of his Blues connection.
Totally agree that it shouldn`t be a factor but for a significant number of Villa fans, it was, it is, and it always will be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on April 29, 2012, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2012, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 29, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
2. (pretty happy) Martinez

I think Wigan's current form is masking the fact that for large swathes of the season, they have been utter shit.

We go on about losing Young and Downing.  Wigan lost N'Zogbia and Cleverley, arguably their best two players last year.  We had the resources to better cope with our losses.

It has taken Martinez time to build again but he seems to have got it right in the end.  He has also had to deal with injuries to key players just like us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:13:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?

Poor value.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: FatSam on April 29, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
There was a thread of Villa affiliation in the 90s from Atkinson, to Little, to Gregory - especially when when you add in assistant managers/ coaches like Deehan, Gray S, and Gray A etc. I think I can remember HDE talking at the time about a slightly tenuous 'boot room' culture of promoting from within.

Since then, more of our influential players from the last twenty years have gone into punditry than management, and there certainly aren't any ex-players who stand out as managerial candidates at the moment. It is good to see that Laursen is learning his trade as a manager, and it would be nice to think that he might be involved at some point in the future. I think he feels more affiliated to us, than any of his other clubs, as he spent more time with, and made more appearances for us.

Whilst Villa affiliation not essential, a respect for the club certainly is IMO, as well as more intangibly being a 'good fit'. A Red Scouse mate of mine said that Hodgson never 'felt' like a Liverpool manager. Perhaps he didn't demonstrate the necessary arrogance? Despite undoubtedly trying his best, McLeish has never been a 'good fit' as Villa manager. Whereas Houllier's problems were largely self-inflicted, and perhaps demonstrated too much arrogance. MON on the other hand, did feel like a good fit as Villa manager for most of his reign.

If McLeish were to be relieved of his duties at the end of the season, then I'd welcome a move for Lambert. He is someone who has been there and done it - played abroad, and won trophies. He has also been prepared to work his way up the management tree to a certain extent. More importantly though IMO is some overarching structure to the footballing side of the club that ensures some continuity, and the development of a larger project. Comparisons with Barcelona are obviously a bit far-fetched, but it is great that their assistant manager can slip seamlessly into the hot seat following Guardiola's exit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on April 29, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway,
 bright atractive attacking football, stands up for whatever club he's at, doesnt talk absolute bullshit all the time with manager soundbites, has a good record with teams with a low budget

yes he is a big mouth, but i quite like that, i loved big Ron, rather that than a mealy mouthed Hughes

Holloway? Soundbites are his stock and trade!  Like McLeish, he is pretty good at getting teams relegated from the top flight too.  The Villa job is way beyond him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on April 29, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?

The worst value for money player that I can remember us buying for a long time.  Due to his wages, we have been stuck with him until his contract runs down.  At least with some of the more recent disasters we have been able to cut and run.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on April 29, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway,
 bright atractive attacking football, stands up for whatever club he's at, doesnt talk absolute bullshit all the time with manager soundbites, has a good record with teams with a low budget

yes he is a big mouth, but i quite like that, i loved big Ron, rather that than a mealy mouthed Hughes

Holloway? Soundbites are his stock and trade!  Like McLeish, he is pretty good at getting teams relegated from the top flight too.  The Villa job is way beyond him.


neah,  be great fun
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?
Not a serious question, surely?

At £1m per goal-scored and very little by way of supporting-play benefit, he has been a bit of a waste of time as a senior player.

Who he played for previously shrinks as a dislike-factor substantially in the light of the above.

I remember when MON signed him and thought: hmmm, at £3m he might prove to be a cheekily clever purchase if he has a career "indian summer". He didn't and he hasn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:25:14 PM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: EffDee on April 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?
Not a serious question, surely?

At £1m per goal-scored and very little by way of supporting behaviour, he has been a bit of a waste of time as a senior player.

Who he played for previously shrinks as a dislike-factor substantially in the light of the above.

I remember when MON signed hime and thought: hmmm, at £3m he might prove to be a cheekily clever purchase if he has a career "indian summer". He didn't and he hasn't.

No not a serious question but something worth bringing up whenever its said that McLeish is only unpopular because he managed Blues, its bollocks, its because he is shit, just like Heskey.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on April 29, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway, doesnt talk absolute bullshit
say whaaaaaat?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
We're a half-arsed club that used to be famous, according to him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
We're a half-arsed club that used to be famous, according to him.


about right at the moment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
Quote from: EffDee on April 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
I keep saying this but, is Heskey unpopular because he played for that lot or because he is very poor value for his wages?
Not a serious question, surely?

At £1m per goal-scored and very little by way of supporting behaviour, he has been a bit of a waste of time as a senior player.

Who he played for previously shrinks as a dislike-factor substantially in the light of the above.

I remember when MON signed hime and thought: hmmm, at £3m he might prove to be a cheekily clever purchase if he has a career "indian summer". He didn't and he hasn't.

No not a serious question but something worth bringing up whenever its said that McLeish is only unpopular because he managed Blues, its bollocks, its because he is shit, just like Heskey.
Thought Heskey played well until he went off on Tuesday. He looked 10 years younger and pretty nifty on his feet.





Never, ever thought I would write these words!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
He's been fabulous for the last three games but fucking shit over the course of his contract. I dont think that's too much of a contradiction.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 08:39:21 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
We're a half-arsed club that used to be famous, according to him.
Wanted to punch his little gnome's face when he said this!

And Blackpool are.....?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on April 29, 2012, 08:42:08 PM
Is this the same Ian Holloway who said last season that Charlie Adam shouldnt join a 'small club like villa' when we was in for him?

No thanks, the championship is his level. Would Gordan Cowans be a bad shout? Been on the coaching staff for along time now, loves the club, has respect in the game, and if its good enough for Barcelona to appoint from within, why not us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:43:37 PM
for the record i dont think we will be aproaching mr Holloway any time soon.
 i just think he would liven things up a bit,
 and i also like the way his teams play
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
We're a half-arsed club that used to be famous, according to him.


about right at the moment

And even if we are, which we're not, why say it publicly? It's massively disrespectful and said while he choked on Dalglish's wang. The man is a sweaty fucking scrotum. He can fuck off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
We're a half-arsed club that used to be famous, according to him.


about right at the moment

And even if we are, which we're not, why say it publicly? It's massively disrespectful and said while he choked on Dalglish's wang. The man is a sweaty fucking scrotum. He can fuck off.

This tv.
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 09:16:25 PM
Agreed, McLeish may be utterly out of his depth but at least he speaks with a bit of decorum, Holloway is a rent a gob, snotty nosed carrot cruncher.

All the best on Thursday though Ian, Gawd bless ya.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 09:23:27 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-roberto-martinez-can-leave-811215 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-roberto-martinez-can-leave-811215)

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan will not stand in Roberto Martinez's way if the manager is offered a bigger job this summer.

Yesterday's stunning 4-0 win over Newcastle has Wigan on course to pull off another great escape from relegation trouble, and Whelan believes recent performances will have big clubs from around Europe eyeing up his Spanish boss.

And while he is not keen to see the 38-year-old leave, Whelan said he would accept Martinez's departure when it comes.

"He's doing a magnificent job," Whelan told Radio Five Live's Sportsweek. "I've always said Roberto will go to one of the top clubs in Europe and when that time comes he will leave Wigan with my blessing.

"He's just a brilliant manager and he will get one of the top jobs in Europe.

"I don't want to lose Roberto but it is inevitable he will climb the ladder."

At one stage this season, Wigan lost eight matches in a row, and seemed near certainties for the drop.

But yesterday's win put them three points clear of the drop zone going into their final two matches against fellow strugglers Blackburn and already-relegated Wolves.

Whelan insisted that even during the toughest times this season, he never had any doubts that Martinez was the right man to save them, and that the fans were on board too.

"(Managers) need support too," he said. "He got support from the chairman and he got support from the fans too. We've not had one fan crying for his dismissal and every fan in Wigan has been behind Roberto.

"Hopefully now we can stay in the Premier League for another season."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
"At one stage this season, Wigan lost eight matches in a row, and seemed near certainties for the drop."

That'll be why I don't want him anywhere near Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
"At one stage this season, Wigan lost eight matches in a row, and seemed near certainties for the drop."

That'll be why I don't want him anywhere near Aston Villa.

He has got his team playing some superb stuff. That's like saying if Moyes wanted to be our manager we'd say no because he is consistently crap before Christmas. Martinez might just have taken time to get his philosophy and coaching to work, and he is now seeing the fruits of his labour. As opposed to McLeish who has just gotten worse and more conservative as the season as gone on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
I am not totally convinced by Martinez but you have to consider that he built the foundations at Swansea in terms of a football philosiphy, he has had to work with very limited resources at Wigan and keeping them up many times is an achievement.
Yes he turned us down, but that could be seen as a pretty wise move after what has transpired.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway,
 bright atractive attacking football, stands up for whatever club he's at, doesnt talk absolute bullshit all the time with manager soundbites, has a good record with teams with a low budget

yes he is a big mouth, but i quite like that, i loved big Ron, rather that than a mealy mouthed Hughes

The mans a clown, talks nothing but shit....remember his comments about Charlie Adam, then there was his commitment to Plymouth when he abandoned (in his own words) his trust, loyalty and honesty in order to join Leicester.  They released a book in Bristol of all his own original 'soundbites' as he loved courting the press in Bristol. 

I acknowledge that his Blackpool team played attacking football, but they got relegated as although they scored goals, the opposition would invariably score more!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:25:46 PM
"At one stage this season, Wigan lost eight matches in a row, and seemed near certainties for the drop."

That'll be why I don't want him anywhere near Aston Villa.

He has got his team playing some superb stuff. That's like saying if Moyes wanted to be our manager we'd say no because he is consistently crap before Christmas. Martinez might just have taken time to get his philosophy and coaching to work, and he is now seeing the fruits of his labour. As opposed to McLeish who has just gotten worse and more conservative as the season as gone on.

Yep I agree with you - some people don't see the bigger picture. Wigan avoiding relegation playing good football with their squad is a huge achievement. Same goes for Swansea and to a lesser extent Naaaarrrwich. McLeish relegating Blues with their best squad in 50 years+ and bringing Villa to the mire with a midtable/top half squad is a Huge under achievement.

Martinez stock rises and could get a bigger if not better job in England and Spain
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 09:48:49 PM
Holloway can take a rocket assisted jump and go and fuck himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
Holloway's a clown. VP's enough of a circus at the moment. We need some stability.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 29, 2012, 09:50:20 PM
Martinez is going to be a good manager.

I would be happy with him.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
I used to get annoyed at Atkinson & Gregory's 'entertaining' soundbites, especially after we'd lost. No way could I cope with Gollum's. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shoody on April 29, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
Rogers, Lambert, Martinez. probably in that order to be honest.

Lambert will do well here but whilst hes a good manager his team like a HOOF* as much as we do and I dont want there to be any reasons to keep Collins and Dunne (although in fairness theyve been very good in their most recent matches... but awful most of the season).

*Not saying they play bad football as they are much more attacking that us. But im sure there was a stat that only Norwich and Stoke had played more long balls than us this season. That was a couple of months back though. Rogers and Lambert are my top choices for the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 10:16:57 PM
Rodgers might, just might, be more available for us if 'Arry now stays at Spurs. I'm still unconvinced he'd leave Swansea though, even for Spurs at this stage.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shoody on April 29, 2012, 10:33:05 PM
Not convinced we'd be able to get him, he'd just be my first choice if we could. He'd face stern opposition from Dunne, Collins, Warnock though the second he started trying to implement that passing game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 10:36:01 PM
Quote from: Shoody on April 29, 2012, 10:33:05 PM
Not convinced we'd be able to get him, he'd just be my first choice if we could. He'd face stern opposition from Dunne, Collins, Warnock though the second he started trying to implement that passing game.

And the high-tempo pressing game. Certainly Dunne and Collins would object to that. Frankly, however, I'm sure that Rodgers will tell them, with considerable backing, that they can piss off if they object.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 10:41:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:56:20 PM
I used to get annoyed at Atkinson & Gregory's 'entertaining' soundbites, especially after we'd lost. No way could I cope with Gollum's.

Yep at least BFR and Gregory has previous links to the Villa.

Not Holla
oway he is at his level with a small club punching above its' weight. Like Plymouth before. He was shite at Leicester and took them down to the 3rd Tier.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 10:56:05 PM
We need someone that cares more about the Club than thier public persona. I cant stand Mangers and Chairmen that cant wait to get in front of the TV camera. MON, Kean, Allardyce and Holloway are right up thier.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:59:56 PM
I think that Lambert will be more 'gettable' than Rodgers who will surely have an eye on the Spuds job anyway, and from our board's viewpoint, possibly a safer appointment too in that his playing style is more mixed and that he's not likely to be courted by the 'Sky' teams this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cb on April 29, 2012, 11:01:37 PM
Of those mentioned and who are semi-realistic I like Martinez the most. Yes Wigan have been inconsistent but his teams always play good quality football, and I just have the feeling that working with a higher class of player, he could do significantly better than he is currently. He strikes me as someone who could very easily become a top end manager in the next couple of years. I'd really like to see him given the chance to properly build something, rather than be stripped of his best players every year. While I know we're not averse to losing players, I think we'd represent a broader canvass than he currently has and could be a place that he'd do well at. I think he'd mesh very well with the academy and may be someone who could make sure that the whole club from top to bottom plays in the same way, something which a lot of the successful sides do.

Failing that, I'm not sure who I'd like us to go for. AVB might be of similar ilk, although I doubt we can afford him; nevertheless he would be someone who could do very well here. Like the previous appointment, this represents a massive opportunity to set the tone for the future of this club and we need someone who can come in and really become a part of the fabric of the club and create their own vision of a 21st century PL outfit. They'll probably need to be young and I think most people accept that now. I'm not so sure about Lambert and Rogers. They've done well this season, but could be just flavour of the month candidates, hence my preference for Martinez - think he has just a bit more experience of PL and for me has earnt his stripes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 11:40:21 PM
Some #avfc next manager odds: Martinez 2/1 - Lambert 6/1 - Benitez 8/1 - Solskjaer 12/1 - MacDonald 12/1 - Rodgers 16/1 - Hughton 25/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
A lot of talk about a Director of Football and I'm really not sure that is the way forward.  If it is the route they go down, then the Director of Football has to be appointed first and he should be the one making decisions about the new manager.  Where I think that system breaks down is if a manager is already in place when a DoF is appointed, particularly if they have no previous working relationship.  If that is the structure they want, then the DoF has to be the first appointment and he then has to take control of the managerial search.   

Should McLeish go and it appears that will be the case, we desperately need to ensure there is not a repeat of what happened last summer.  After Houllier left, players that needed to be shifted were kept on and were given another chance by McLeish.  Hopefully this will not happen again and that those who need to go are moved on. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve R on April 30, 2012, 12:20:24 AM
At both Swansea and Norwich, the managers have a group of players who know that this is as good as it gets. With very few exceptions, they are getting a shot at the big time that would they would otherwise be nowhere near. Expectations of supporters are low - being in the premier league at all is success.

What we have yet to see from either Lambert or Rodgers is what happens when they start to buy (and manage) 'next level up' players or when the pressure is on to get a place in Europe or a decent show in one of the cup competitions.

Holloway, Phil Brown and even Steve Bruce looked like the next big thing in their early premier league days.

The situation at Villa is very different. Almost every player we have signed for significant money has probably seen Villa as a way to maintain a half decent contract rather than the high point of their career or a means to develop en route to playing for someone else.

Rodgers and Lambert may well turn out to be very good managers, but they have as yet proved very little by way of ability to manage at the top end of the premier league. Villa is a very different job to the one they have so far done very well at.

whatever else happens, what we don't need is another summer (the third in a row) where we are chasing a managerial appointment rather than developng the squad.

If McLeish does indeed go, the next guy should not come in making noises about 'I will wait until pre-season to see what I have' or 'I'm a man manager, me. I can get Villa's underachieving stars playing'.

We have now wasted two seasons learning the exactly same lesson over again and doing very little other than wait for problems to solve themselves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2012, 12:29:10 AM
Quote from: Steve N'Rose on April 30, 2012, 12:20:24 AM
At both Swansea and Norwich, the managers have a group of players who know that this is as good as it gets. With very few exceptions, they are getting a shot at the big time that would they would otherwise be nowhere near. Expectations of supporters are low - being in the premier league at all is success.

What we have yet to see from either Lambert or Rodgers is what happens when they start to buy (and manage) 'next level up' players or when the pressure is on to get a place in Europe or a decent show in one of the cup competitions.

Holloway, Phil Brown and even Steve Bruce looked like the next big thing in their early premier league days.

The situation at Villa is very different. Almost every player we have signed for significant money has probably seen Villa as a way to maintain a half decent contract rather than the high point of their career or a means to develop en route to playing for someone else.

Rodgers and Lambert may well turn out to be very good managers, but they have as yet proved very little by way of ability to manage at the top end of the premier league. Villa is a very different job to the one they have so far done very well at.

whatever else happens, what we don't need is another summer (the third in a row) where we are chasing a managerial appointment rather than developng the squad.

If McLeish does indeed go, the next guy should not come in making noises about 'I will wait until pre-season to see what I have' or 'I'm a man manager, me. I can get Villa's underachieving stars playing'.

We have now wasted two seasons learning the exactly same lesson over again and doing very little other than wait for problems to solve themselves.

Totally agree.  Houllier had identified that the likes of Dunne, Warnock and Ireland needed to go, yet they remained at the club and look at what has happened.  If McLeish goes immediately after the season, maybe the heirarchy should consult K Mac and Sid, and seek their advice on who should be moved on and get it done before the new appointment.  That way, the new manager could hopefully start afresh and we can avoid those problems.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 12:45:10 AM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 07:59:32 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on April 29, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on April 29, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Any of the losing Championship play-off managers will fit Lerner's needs.  Ambitious & hungry. 

Holloway or Mackay - yes please.  Allardyce - no thanks.

Hughton - a good manger, but once bitten...

Really wouldn't want Holloway.

Favour the link to Lambert.


why not Holloway,
 bright atractive attacking football, stands up for whatever club he's at, doesnt talk absolute bullshit all the time with manager soundbites, has a good record with teams with a low budget

yes he is a big mouth, but i quite like that, i loved big Ron, rather that than a mealy mouthed Hughes

As I said before he is very old school in his training methods.  I get the impression from what my mate said (having watched him and the Plymouth Albion train) that Holloway basically wings it, using his sense of humour and personality to cajole the players rather than applying any sort of science or theories to his actions.

Maybe his gut instinct is (always) correct but he has enough failures on his CV to suggest this is not the case.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 12:51:02 AM
Quote from: FatSam on April 29, 2012, 08:14:58 PM
IMO is some overarching structure to the footballing side of the club that ensures some continuity, and the development of a larger project. Comparisons with Barcelona are obviously a bit far-fetched, but it is great that their assistant manager can slip seamlessly into the hot seat following Guardiola's exit.

Correct.  This is why I want us to have a DoF so we can build a club philosophy.  Mangers will come and go but I would like the "Villa way" to stay the same.  If this happened then I think that players will be more inclined to become (youth) coaches at Villa, and if they’re good enough, managers at the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 01:05:41 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 30, 2012, 12:11:02 AM
A lot of talk about a Director of Football and I'm really not sure that is the way forward.  If it is the route they go down, then the Director of Football has to be appointed first and he should be the one making decisions about the new manager.  Where I think that system breaks down is if a manager is already in place when a DoF is appointed, particularly if they have no previous working relationship.  If that is the structure they want, then the DoF has to be the first appointment and he then has to take control of the managerial search.   

Should McLeish go and it appears that will be the case, we desperately need to ensure there is not a repeat of what happened last summer.  After Houllier left, players that needed to be shifted were kept on and were given another chance by McLeish.  Hopefully this will not happen again and that those who need to go are moved on. 

I agree that the DoF should be appointed first.

With regards to your second paragraph, I think this is one of the major justifications for a DoF as he will retain a lot of the clubs knowledge rather than it leaving with each manager (See MON and again with Houllier). 

Take the scouting and running of the academy, both these things take time (years) to build and develop.  On average I’d guess a manger leaves every 2.5 years which is (IMO) less time that it would take to build a world class academy or build a genuine scouting network. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Terry Jones on April 30, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Well now lets see after reading all the comments on this thread and Andy Grays comments in the Sunday Murcury.I am not inspired to think that we will ever get a manager to take our great club back to the glory days,and for some of the names mentioned well we get rid of one scots moron why do we need another.Bring in somebody who will be able to take the club forward remember the days of Tommy Docherty another scots moron.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 02:27:06 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 30, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Well now lets see after reading all the comments on this thread and Andy Grays comments in the Sunday Murcury.I am not inspired to think that we will ever get a manager to take our great club back to the glory days,and for some of the names mentioned well we get rid of one scots moron why do we need another.Bring in somebody who will be able to take the club forward remember the days of Tommy
Docherty another scots moron.

Don't forget the good that Tommy Docherty did when he first came to us.
I would go easy on the 'scots moron' bit as well. People will, rightly, take offence. Too much of it on here lately.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on April 30, 2012, 02:45:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 02:27:06 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 30, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Well now lets see after reading all the comments on this thread and Andy Grays comments in the Sunday Murcury.I am not inspired to think that we will ever get a manager to take our great club back to the glory days,and for some of the names mentioned well we get rid of one scots moron why do we need another.Bring in somebody who will be able to take the club forward remember the days of Tommy
Docherty another scots moron.

Don't forget the good that Tommy Docherty did when he first came to us.
I would go easy on the 'scots moron' bit as well. People will, rightly, take offence. Too much of it on here lately.

Considering the role that Scots also played in the early history of our club, it's an ignorant statement as well as an offensive one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 03:36:20 AM
Quote from: Terry Jones on April 30, 2012, 01:56:23 AM
Well now lets see after reading all the comments on this thread and Andy Grays comments in the Sunday Murcury.I am not inspired to think that we will ever get a manager to take our great club back to the glory days,and for some of the names mentioned well we get rid of one scots moron why do we need another.Bring in somebody who will be able to take the club forward remember the days of Tommy Docherty another scots moron.

Less of the Scottish insults please Terry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on April 30, 2012, 04:03:13 AM
He wasnt successful at Chelski for a number of reasons, but I think AVB would do a great job managing the Villa revival...a young manager with a project to develop a young team. Clear out the rest of the dead wood and overpaid in the summer, and let him bring in some fresh new talent. I dont think any of us can expect decent results straight away after the last 2 years but if he can provide us with entertaining football and keep us midtablish with young exciting prospects then I would be happy with that. If we can afford and entice him then he should be the number one candidate.

Failing that, swoop for Lambert or Rodgers...stay well clear of the usual names on the managerial merry go round and anyone previously linked with the job in the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shoody on April 30, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
AVB would do a great job (as I have no doubt he would have at Chelsea given time). But there is 0 hope of us getting him. He'll go to a Champions League team. And I imagine there is Chelsea's customary 1 year no-compete clause in his severance anyway. (Not that we'd be competing with them anyway)

Solskjaer is a great shout
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 30, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
Two questions:

1. Martinez turned us down last year. What make it more likely he'll say yes now?

2. Can anyone cite a successful uk example of the director of football role?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 30, 2012, 09:01:51 AM
still struggling to see a decent candidate given the conditions he'll have to work under. Likes of Lambert/Rodgers, what are you offering them? The chance to be impoverished at a bigger club but without the team they built and precious little money or time to build one with? If your at Swansea or Norwich then expetations are such that you'd have a season on two to put it right- if either one of them were scraping the bottom next season then the knives will be out, just like the current guy and the one before him. Maybe the clubs' status, history or salary will attract them but taking off the Villa tinted glasses, i can't see the big attraction
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
I hadn't even considered Solskjaer.  He doesn't tick the Premiership managerial experience box so maybe Randy should ask Lord Ferg what he thinks.

Martinez now makes the most sense.  He's ready for a change, a bigger club and has plenty of experience.  He's what we need right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyellis on April 30, 2012, 09:39:37 AM
If any of the new breed of managers discussed on here feel safer at Wigan, Swansea and Norwich they are simply not for us. This is Aston Villa and to compare us with any of the above is a joke whatever our current circumstances.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 30, 2012, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 30, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
Two questions:

1. Martinez turned us down last year. What make it more likely he'll say yes now?

2. Can anyone cite a successful uk example of the director of football role?



Levvy and Arnasen. The DOF at Newcastle (name escapes me).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MarkM on April 30, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
I think we could list numerous choices.

The problem we have is that we are [at the moment] a mid - bottom premier league team with no money to spend and a squad of players that need completely rebuilding and that struggle at times to play any kind of football!

How many managers of a calibre that would make us happy and make Villa competative would want that job?

Not many I fear
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 30, 2012, 09:51:06 AM
I would like to see a Brian Little-esque appointment.

A manager on his way up and is clued up on how the game is at this current moment in time.

Lambert and Rodgers fit into this category, but I'm sure there are others.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on April 30, 2012, 09:53:09 AM
Quote from: MarkM on April 30, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
I think we could list numerous choices.

The problem we have is that we are [at the moment] a mid - bottom premier league team with no money to spend and a squad of players that need completely rebuilding and that struggle at times to play any kind of football!

How many managers of a calibre that would make us happy and make Villa competative would want that job?

Not many I fear


no matter where we think we are in terms of league position, we still still pay top 20 (in Europe ) manager wages

i think there would be plenty of takers
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on April 30, 2012, 09:55:13 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on April 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
I hadn't even considered Solskjaer.  He doesn't tick the Premiership managerial experience box so maybe Randy should ask Lord Ferg what he thinks.

Martinez now makes the most sense.  He's ready for a change, a bigger club and has plenty of experience.  He's what we need right now.
I wouldn't be totally against Solksjaer if I'm honest. Likeable, and has done well at Molde from what I can gather.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Okay, so let's pose this question then:

Who do you want as DoF at Villa?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 30, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on April 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
I hadn't even considered Solskjaer.  He doesn't tick the Premiership managerial experience box so maybe Randy should ask Lord Ferg what he thinks.

Martinez now makes the most sense.  He's ready for a change, a bigger club and has plenty of experience.  He's what we need right now.

Does he want to come though? When Houllier tried to change our style to passing the ball, some players kicked up a fuss and fans got on the players back when they passed it 3 or 4 times without really getting anywhere. Martinez is happy for players to take as many passes as possible before an opening happens, as would I, but, based on 5 years as a season ticket holder, the majority of fans at the game are not.

Why would Martinez want the hassle of not only convincing a set of players how to play, but the additional task of convinving fans that it will take a while to change the style before it comes good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 30, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on April 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
I hadn't even considered Solskjaer.  He doesn't tick the Premiership managerial experience box so maybe Randy should ask Lord Ferg what he thinks.

Martinez now makes the most sense.  He's ready for a change, a bigger club and has plenty of experience.  He's what we need right now.

Does he want to come though? When Houllier tried to change our style to passing the ball, some players kicked up a fuss and fans got on the players back when they passed it 3 or 4 times without really getting anywhere. Martinez is happy for players to take as many passes as possible before an opening happens, as would I, but, based on 5 years as a season ticket holder, the majority of fans at the game are not.

Why would Martinez want the hassle of not only convincing a set of players how to play, but the additional task of convinving fans that it will take a while to change the style before it comes good.

There is a clear out needed at the club, along with an influx of new players, regardless of who the manager is, so you'd hope part of that would be addressed anyway.  As to the fans reaction when we don't get it forward, I share your frustration.  Possession football can be dull at times, with lots of square and backward passes, until an opening appears.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 30, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on April 30, 2012, 09:29:33 AM
I hadn't even considered Solskjaer.  He doesn't tick the Premiership managerial experience box so maybe Randy should ask Lord Ferg what he thinks.

Martinez now makes the most sense.  He's ready for a change, a bigger club and has plenty of experience.  He's what we need right now.

Does he want to come though? When Houllier tried to change our style to passing the ball, some players kicked up a fuss and fans got on the players back when they passed it 3 or 4 times without really getting anywhere. Martinez is happy for players to take as many passes as possible before an opening happens, as would I, but, based on 5 years as a season ticket holder, the majority of fans at the game are not.

Why would Martinez want the hassle of not only convincing a set of players how to play, but the additional task of convinving fans that it will take a while to change the style before it comes good.

That's a bit of a myth, TBH.

It only took one pre season for Martinez to fundamentally change Wigan's style of play and approach in 2009- and that was after inheriting a team still largely made up of Steve Bruce signings.

I don't recall too many howls of derision when we played good stuff under BFR and between 1995-97 under Sir Brian either.  So I'm pretty certain Villa fans as a whole will be able to appreciate good football -when they finally see it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
A new manager will have one massive advantage - he's not the old manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
A new manager will have one massive advantage - he's not the old manager.

True, and that will buy him some time, but unless Lerner backs whoever he is the transer market, it's going to be another difficult season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
I don't recall too many howls of derision when we played good stuff under BFR and between 1995-97 under Sir Brian either.  So I'm pretty certain Villa fans as a whole will be able to appreciate good football -when they finally see it.

That was a very attacking style aswell as good passing.

Anytime we see a back or square pass when we're not winning you can feel a section of fans get frustrated.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football? Has any club in the PL ever prospered with a DoF? Does it work?

What we need is a chairman who pays more attention to things (the one we've got will be fine, if we get the keen chairman of two years ago back, rather than this year's absentee landlord), and a CEO who isn't demonstratively way out of his depth.

As it happens, I've very little faith in their ability to pick the right man. We'll probably end up with Mick McCarthy. I certainly wouldn't be remotely surprised to hear they're making the "must have PL experience" mistake all over again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on April 30, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football?
Because the board have proven themselves to be utterly clueless up to now? Maybe not a traditional DoF role, but certainly someone on the board with a football background is needed. It's been suggested often enough, but someone of Steve Stride's ilk would have been useful these last few years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 30, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
A new manager will have one massive advantage - he's not the old manager.

True, and that will buy him some time, but unless Lerner backs whoever he is the transer market, it's going to be another difficult season.

I agree.

But he'll alsok be expecting whoever is in charge to get more from the likes of N'Zogbia & Gabby and continue to utilise the youth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:41:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football? Has any club in the PL ever prospered with a DoF? Does it work?



Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottingham and even the Olybiun have (or have had) DoF's, with varying degrees of success.

They are a contemptible club in so many ways, but the managerial upheaval at Chelsea doesn't seem to alter their transfer business or overall strategy.   The manager of the time fits in with the strategy, rather than sets the whole agenda. This can have it's drawbacks -and I wouldn't advocate the musical chairs approach they have to the top job there.    But there is a degree of continuity at least. In direct contrast to us, when first MON, then GH and now (more likely that not)  McLeish departs. The whole things gets ripped up and needs to start again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 30, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football?
Because the board have proven themselves to be utterly clueless up to now? Maybe not a traditional DoF role, but certainly someone on the board with a football background is needed. It's been suggested often enough, but someone of Steve Stride's ilk would have been useful these last few years.

Precisely.

And I agree with Kevin's post above too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: shipscat on April 30, 2012, 11:42:10 AM
I think we should be making severe overtures  to Dan Ashworth,the boing boingers technical director .

He's been basically responsible for the likes of odenwingle,Olsson,Mulumbu.All decent premiership players,all found cheaply,which I feel is going to be extremely important in the next 24 months whilst we continue on a austerity plan and wait for the youngsters to mature.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 30, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football?
Because the board have proven themselves to be utterly clueless up to now? Maybe not a traditional DoF role, but certainly someone on the board with a football background is needed. It's been suggested often enough, but someone of Steve Stride's ilk would have been useful these last few years.

Precisely.

And I agree with Kevin's post above too.

Yes, but someone with football knowledge - which I'd agree on - doesn't necessarily mean a director of football.

There are many managers who'll be put off with that idea from the start. I appreciate it works at Chelsea, but the Chelsea manager job is a different proposition to the Villa job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
Again, it's a a symptom of the club having no real direction that we can't agree on a DOF being appropriate or not. 

It would never have worked with MON, as he's much more a traditional British club manager.  With Houllier I think he was almost trying to do that job himself as well as manage the first team.  Martinez was the sort of guy who would suit a DOF, but McLeish is not. 

A DOF working is largely based on the overall structure and direction of the club.  We don't have one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
Yes, but someone with football knowledge - which I'd agree on - doesn't necessarily mean a director of football.

I think in our case, it does. We need a director who understands the game. It's just a title though that people can associate with. Call it what you want; Technical director, Development director, Grand vizier of footballing supermagic, we need somebody to define and deliver a consistent plan over a number of years.

A special manager can do that of course but managers come and go and when they go you invariably have to start all over again. So leave the business side of things to the likes of Faulkner and start getting people on board who understand what Aston Villa needs to compete, who has some clout in the game to get players, to develop networks, relationships.

It's a shitload of work for a manager to do it alone AND produce a team.
The sheer naivety and lack of understanding our board displays is astonishing. I dont want them making any more footballing decisions or we'll keep struggling.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on April 30, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
I agree. I said as much over on the transfer thread, because DOF was being discussed on there. I do think, from a business and commercial perspective, PF is doing a lot of good things. He's just not really a football man. My vision for Villa would be to have a 'football man' alongside PF effectively running the club across all matters, with a head coach reporting into them.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mr Diggles on April 30, 2012, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 30, 2012, 11:22:50 AM

True, and that will buy him some time, but unless Lerner backs whoever he is the transer market, it's going to be another difficult season.

I think its going to be tough whatever changes are made (within reason).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Grand vizier of footballing supermagic,

Assume that you'll be hearing that phrase repeated over the coming months.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mr Diggles on April 30, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
I believed at the end of last season that Houllier might have made a good DoF type appointment, with a young manager (like McAllister or other) below him on the coaching side. It's a pity from my point of view that that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on April 30, 2012, 12:41:55 PM
Whoever it is, it will be yet another season of transition. The only difference this time is we don't have any players who want to leave, as the best have been poached already. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 30, 2012, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 30, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
I don't recall too many howls of derision when we played good stuff under BFR and between 1995-97 under Sir Brian either.  So I'm pretty certain Villa fans as a whole will be able to appreciate good football -when they finally see it.

That was a very attacking style aswell as good passing.

Anytime we see a back or square pass when we're not winning you can feel a section of fans get frustrated.

Exactly. The moaning from large sections of the crowd at the sight of 2/3 sideways/backwards passing is inevitable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 30, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
... With Houllier I think he was almost trying to do that job himself as well as manage the first team ...
That's definitely the way it was going, with GMac, and particualrly after the heart trouble.
The question this raises is: - why did RL / PF decide that the GHou / GmMac was not the right approach to take? Was it simply the health problems experienced by GHou or was there another reason?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dribbler on April 30, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
The one thing I hope is that Randy et al are now actively searching for and sounding out our next manager so that we can make an appointment as soon as the season ends and give the new manager a full pre-season. For some reason i don't have faith in that though!

For those saying they don't think Villa are an attractive proposition for a football manager, come on, even in our current predicament we must  be one of the most attractive clubs in football to manage. (i.e., top 20 in Europe)

We have a great history, a great stadium, state of the art training facilities, some top quality experienced players, some quality up and coming 'young' players, a brilliant Academy, a top reserve team, we give good managerial contracts (and pay-offs), our expectations will have been lowered a little after this season, we have some major contracts ending this season and next, which means we can clear some of the costly senior deadwood and replace with new players, plus there will be some money to spend in the summer, and so on.

I think any top manager, given the right conditions, should love to come and manage the Villa, there are only a very few managers that can step into a top title chasing job in a top league where they have loads of money to spend and are almost guaranteed to be challenging for honours. Other managers have to look at prospects and potential and many of the criteria i have mentioned above.

I agree with some of the comments above that we need to create a new long term plan and philosophy, based around football style not just business, whether that means a DoF or not is up for debate, but i would say it's a good idea. I think the DoF is probably a better idea than the current restriction we had around keeping KMac and Sid in the senior coaching team. Yes ensure they carry on their amazing roles with the academy and reserves, but a manager needs to be able to bring his own staff. It's much more important to bring in a manager that would naturally continue the good work of the Academy and reserves and create a natural progression of playing styles from them to the senior team. As others have said, it's been patently clear over the last 2 years that we need a 'footballing man' on the board.

As for managers, I would go for Andre Villas-Boas, after all, he has Villa in his name, so he's bound to be a success!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2012, 01:35:56 PM
I see Dave Whelan is now prepared to lose Martinez, though whether either believe Villa to be a step up much depends on Randy's support. Recent results against Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United and the Barcodes certainly makes Martinez flavour of the month. I do like the way he goes about things, playing it down, very similar in character to Sir Brian, though whether or not he'd be the manager to instantly bring back the missing 10,000 is another matter.

I'd certainly hope and expect him to be on our radar come the end of the season. The big question is whether or not we'd send Whelan another letter requesting permission to speak to Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on April 30, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
I agree, Martinez is flavour of the month. Unfortunately a season lasts for 9, and he's been shit for eight of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 04:02:54 PM
Quote from: James on April 30, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Okay, so let's pose this question then:

Who do you want as DoF at Villa?

Southgate. 

He has said he does not want to manage again and instead he wants to concentrate on the development side of football.  Admittedly this was said when he was appointed Head of Elite Development at the FA.  In this role - his twitter account suggests - he is studying how the top clubs and countries develop both their young players and their coaches.  I’d assume that the FA role would also include a fair amount of “pressing the flesh” at conferences with footballing dignitaries so he would also be a good ambassador for the club.

Add in his media knowledge and I think he could be a pretty effective guy at communicating the what the club is doing, beyond the obligatory match day press conferences.

He has always been bracketed as one of football’s intellectuals too (writing books, a journalist whilst at Palace etc) so I think he would have the imagination to create and deliver an over-arching infrastructure for the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 04:04:41 PM
An interesting suggestion.

Perhaps not for the role but a role.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 30, 2012, 04:15:54 PM


  After watching Villa on saturday, with Clark and Warnock as central midfielders, needing 3 touches each time to pass the ball square, with no creativity, the only footballer in a Villa shirt, N'Zog, getting substituted, and then watching Wigan on the night, with the passing, movement, skill and endevour of the team, on a quarter of the wages paid at Villa, then for me there is only one choice at VP at the moment, and that is Martinez.

 McL will get rid of players like N'Zog and Irelan, and we will be left with a team of triers......no thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on April 30, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on April 30, 2012, 04:15:54 PM


  After watching Villa on saturday, with Clark and Warnock as central midfielders, needing 3 touches each time to pass the ball square, with no creativity, the only footballer in a Villa shirt, N'Zog, getting substituted, and then watching Wigan on the night, with the passing, movement, skill and endevour of the team, on a quarter of the wages paid at Villa, then for me there is only one choice at VP at the moment, and that is Martinez.

 McL will get rid of players like N'Zog and Irelan, and we will be left with a team of triers......no thanks.
He's a choice, not the only choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 04:35:38 PM
The problem with a Southgate in a DOF role is that he could become a political threat to a manager/Head coach. Say a new manager got off to a bad start and we were struggling come Christmas, Southgate would be waiting in the wings. Former villa captain, former manager, working above the manager....How long before he started undermining said unpopular manager and the Holte End started calling for him to replace the manager?

It could be like Woy and Dalglish at Anfield. Just throwing it out there. Personally, I'd have no problem getting Southgate on board in some capacity. He always seemed like a thinking man and always gave his all for villa (when he wasn't submitting transfer requests). That's more than can be said for many others of that era.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 04:35:38 PM
The problem with a Southgate in a DOF role is that he could become a political threat to a manager/Head coach. Say a new manager got off to a bad start and we were struggling come Christmas, Southgate would be waiting in the wings. Former villa captain, former manager, working above the manager....How long before he started undermining said unpopular manager and the Holte End started calling for him to replace the manager?

It could be like Woy and Dalglish at Anfield. Just throwing it out there. Personally, I'd have no problem getting Southgate on board in some capacity. He always seemed like a thinking man and always gave his all for villa (when he wasn't submitting transfer requests). That's more than can be said for many others of that era.

Any ex-manager in a DOF role will always carry that threat to the manager in the job.  The exception being people like Arnesen, who were never, and never will be, managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 04:35:38 PM
The problem with a Southgate in a DOF role is that he could become a political threat to a manager/Head coach. Say a new manager got off to a bad start and we were struggling come Christmas, Southgate would be waiting in the wings. Former villa captain, former manager, working above the manager....How long before he started undermining said unpopular manager and the Holte End started calling for him to replace the manager?

It could be like Woy and Dalglish at Anfield. Just throwing it out there. Personally, I'd have no problem getting Southgate on board in some capacity. He always seemed like a thinking man and always gave his all for villa (when he wasn't submitting transfer requests). That's more than can be said for many others of that era.

Good points. Not a Villa man and no obvious interest in management (again) have to be two important criteria.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Southgate has said that he does not want to manage again.  Whether his ego would dictate otherwise if the crowd started begging is clearly open for debate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Southgate has said that he does not want to manage again.  Whether his ego would dictate otherwise if the crowd started begging is clearly open for debate.

Didn't Alan Shearer say he wouldn't manage Newcastle?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
Didn't SGT say he had no interest in managing when he came back onboard?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2012, 05:10:11 PM
If there's any chance of Lambert being the next manager he presumably won't want to risk putting us into the Championship in the final game of this season by beating us...

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Southgate has said that he does not want to manage again.  Whether his ego would dictate otherwise if the crowd started begging is clearly open for debate.

Didn't Alan Shearer say he wouldn't manage Newcastle?

...yeah, but on another day I’m pretty sure he also said it would be his dream to manage Newcastle.  However I do understand your point re the emptiness of the quote.  In Southgate’s defence he has actively gone out if his way to get the FA development job and is rarely linked with other clubs, which suggests his agent is not touting him around to the media and other clubs (not yet anyway).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on April 30, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
Still Rodgers for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on April 30, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
advocaat?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 30, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 30, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
advocaat?

warninks?

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 07:23:01 PM
Whenever I see Warninks I always think of this annoying advert from my teens.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 30, 2012, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Southgate has said that he does not want to manage again.  Whether his ego would dictate otherwise if the crowd started begging is clearly open for debate.

Didn't Alan Shearer say he wouldn't manage Newcastle?

He didn't did he,turned up in a suit and watch his team lose week in week out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on April 30, 2012, 07:39:10 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 30, 2012, 07:29:55 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Southgate has said that he does not want to manage again.  Whether his ego would dictate otherwise if the crowd started begging is clearly open for debate.

Didn't Alan Shearer say he wouldn't manage Newcastle?

He didn't did he,turned up in a suit and watch his team lose week in week out.

No, I think that is the bloke who sits on the side of the pitch whilst we're playing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Didn't Adolph Hitler say he wouldn't invade Poland?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fasth56 on April 30, 2012, 08:02:05 PM
What about Raneri (sp), available, premier league experience, not going to get a job with any of the euro greats and plays football
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 30, 2012, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Why on earth do we need a DIrector of Football? Has any club in the PL ever prospered with a DoF? Does it work?

What we need is a chairman who pays more attention to things (the one we've got will be fine, if we get the keen chairman of two years ago back, rather than this year's absentee landlord), and a CEO who isn't demonstratively way out of his depth.

As it happens, I've very little faith in their ability to pick the right man. We'll probably end up with Mick McCarthy. I certainly wouldn't be remotely surprised to hear they're making the "must have PL experience" mistake all over again.

DoF - well Mourinho done ok at Chelsea with Arnesen as DoF. Provided the boundaries are defined and understood and the DoF is appointed first then there should be no problem. It even worked with Sillet and Curtis at Cov during their best ever spell
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: woody4866 on April 30, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: James on April 30, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Okay, so let's pose this question then:

Who do you want as DoF at Villa?
Dave Woodhall to let the board know what it means to be custodians of Villa
Hoddle and Ray Wilkins to sort it out on the pitch
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on April 30, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: James on April 30, 2012, 09:59:31 AM
Okay, so let's pose this question then:

Who do you want as DoF at Villa?
Dave Woodhall to let the board know what it means to be custodians of Villa
Hoddle and Ray Wilkins to sort it out on the pitch

No thanks. Not any of those.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 30, 2012, 10:41:33 PM
Thats not a bad shout Hoddle and Wilkins, God knows if they would work together though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 30, 2012, 10:41:33 PM
Thats not a bad shout Hoddle and Wilkins, God knows if they would work together though.

No, no, no to Hoddle, prize wanker, but Wilkins maybe. Who's this Woodhall guy?  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
Woodhall, great shout. Can we get a FB page going?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 12:00:43 AM
I think the joke's gone far enough now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2012, 12:11:10 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on April 30, 2012, 08:02:05 PM
What about Raneri (sp), available, premier league experience, not going to get a job with any of the euro greats and plays football

hasn't he been fired like a hundred times? That's the only thing you hear about him nowadays. Another bloke who is well past it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 01, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 12:11:10 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on April 30, 2012, 08:02:05 PM
What about Raneri (sp), available, premier league experience, not going to get a job with any of the euro greats and plays football

hasn't he been fired like a hundred times? That's the only thing you hear about him nowadays. Another bloke who is well past it.

Whats him mum up too , she would be do a better job than what we have .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
Someone like Wilkins would actually make a decent DOF I reckon. The alternative would be to find someone from abroad, maybe even like Numan who has been scouting for us that is interested in the development side of things. There must be plenty of good quality people who don't want to manage but would relish a more strategic role at a club. Then have a manager in the Martinez style.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on May 01, 2012, 08:33:39 AM

I see Shrewsbury have been promoted, they might have a promising manager we could take.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think there is a obvious, available, suitable candidate available....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2012, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think there is a obvious, available, suitable candidate available....

If you mean out of work when you say 'available', then maybe not, but I'd class both Rodgers and Lambert as suitable and obvious.  That having been said, both Houllier and Mcleish took us by surprise, so we can discount the obvious bit.  And yes - also 'suitable' when you consider AM!

Wilkins in some capacity is an interesting idea, but his talents seem to be coaching and helping an overseas manager.  We alread have good coaches, so I'd say he'd be a suitable No 2 to  foreign manager, if that's the way Randy goes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 01, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
None of the old school for me - the Rainieri's and Ericssons. Will only try and spend and earn cash etc. Need to get Rodgers or Lambert or the next one of that ilk who can develop the footballing side of the club and own it. This will hopefully develop loyalty like Moyes has to Everton. The manager will need to be given a free hand on all footballing matters. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2012, 09:35:42 AM
Wilkins or even Steve Clarke for the manager/ coach role - providing we had a suitable middle guy could be interesting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 01, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Heiko Vogel

Likes to use width and seems to have a good passing side......although he looks like Eck!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: FatSam on May 01, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 01, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Heiko Vogel

Likes to use width and seems to have a good passing side......although he looks like Eck!

I had to look up who he was, but he only has six months experience of being manager - is this enough to judge him on? Before that he was an assistant manager, and a youth team coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2012, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 01, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
None of the old school for me - the Rainieri's and Ericssons. Will only try and spend and earn cash etc. Need to get Rodgers or Lambert or the next one of that ilk who can develop the footballing side of the club and own it. This will hopefully develop loyalty like Moyes has to Everton. The manager will need to be given a free hand on all footballing matters. 
Agree with this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 01, 2012, 01:35:54 PM
If we went for Solksjaer, maybe Randy could get a brand new letter of recommendation from Fergie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
Well, it won't be Woy. The FA have called a 4pm press conference and I'm guessing that it's not to inform people that Woy's turned them down!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
A crazy appointment but good luck to him. He's going to need all he can get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
A crazy appointment but good luck to him. He's going to need all he can get.

Why is it crazy?  Hodgson is a very good coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 03:49:31 PM
That Fiver piece on the appointment yesterday was absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
A crazy appointment but good luck to him. He's going to need all he can get.

Why is it crazy?  Hodgson is a very good coach.

Because I dont think he's good enough to manage England. Or that the gobshites he will be in charge of will take to him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 01, 2012, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
A crazy appointment but good luck to him. He's going to need all he can get.

Why is it crazy?  Hodgson is a very good coach.

Because I dont think he's good enough to manage England. Or that the gobshites he will be in charge of will take to him.


i think its a good appointment,
 at least the FA had the balls this time to go against Harry's media luvies,
i also agree with the English manager being English, Hodgson isnt the best manager in the world but he's the best we got at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 01, 2012, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 04:07:31 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:59:47 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
A crazy appointment but good luck to him. He's going to need all he can get.

Why is it crazy?  Hodgson is a very good coach.

Because I dont think he's good enough to manage England. Or that the gobshites he will be in charge of will take to him.


i think its a good appointment,
 at least the FA had the balls this time to go against Harry's media luvies,
i also agree with the English manager being English, Hodgson isnt the best manager in the world but he's the best we got at the moment.


I agree.

I have read a lot of garbage about Redknapp being the "fans choice". However among my mates none of them wanted Redknapp to be the manager. It seems the media think they can pick the manager!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 04:14:56 PM
I've no love for Redknapp but he would have been a better choice in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 01, 2012, 04:25:09 PM
An England manager with international experience? Bound to end in tears.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 04:14:56 PM
I've no love for Redknapp but he would have been a better choice in my opinion.
Looks to much like BagPuss for my liking!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 01, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
I like the fact that Hodgson has done well with smaller clubs and countries.  If England adopted this strategy which I think reflects the quality and the potential pool of players that we have then I think it could work.  We could become a well drilled team team that realises it’s potential.

Unfortunately the press - except maybe the guardian - will never adopt this outlook and I doubt the egos of the players will either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2012, 04:31:14 PM
Hodgson is too much of an honest and straighforward man to safely navigate the nest of vipers that is the England dressing room.  If the FA, and more importantly the press, backed him then he might sort it out and end the international careers of a few of the arseholes, but they won't.

Redknapp was probably a better choice from that perspective.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
At least the press conferences with Redknapp would have been different. That is, out of the side window of his Range Rover.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2012, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
At least the press conferences with Redknapp would have been different. That is, out of the side window of his Range Rover.

Can you imagine him letting all those transfer tidbits slip?

"Yuh, Wayne did OK in trainin' today, but wuz a bit off 'is game as Man City 'ave just put a bid in."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM


  I like Redknapp, but this acceptance that he is good with "big names", and "getting the best out of them", has'nt really been bourne out in the last 6 weeks with Spuds.

  I don't think Hodgson will do a bad job, the unfortunate thing is that as he is not the presses chosen one,sorry damon, then he will get slaughtered at every opportunity though.

 Back to Villa, and i think it is a good appointment, as i think if Redknapp would have gone to England, then Martinez would have gone to Spuds, i think we have a better chance of getting him now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on May 01, 2012, 05:07:59 PM
The knives are already being sharpened for Hodgson sadly by 'arry's chums in the media. He shouldn't be judged on what happens at Euro 12, as he will no doubt be up against the remnants of the golden generation. Judgement should be held to see how he gets on in the World Cup qualifiers and how he integrates younger players into the side, but it won't be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
  I like Redknapp, but this acceptance that he is good with "big names", and "getting the best out of them", has'nt really been bourne out in the last 6 weeks with Spuds.

No, but it has for the other 3.5 years he's been in charge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 01, 2012, 05:19:27 PM


  Thats my point though paulie, the England manager would be under intense pressure, you could argue that Redknapp has'nt handled that pressure very well the last 6 weeks.

 Just an opinion, like everybody else i was expecting/hopeing that he got the job, but i don't think Hodgson is that bad an appointment, and that Redknapp is that good an appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
Redknapp is tactically clueless though. At Spurs, they have one tactic which is very fast paced, but once up against any team with quality, then he starts to flounder. Spurs have been walloped a couple of times this season against sides that have worked them out. He is also prickly, despite his seeming cheeky chappy image, and I reckon if the going got tough his relationship with the press would sour pretty quickly. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
  I like Redknapp, but this acceptance that he is good with "big names", and "getting the best out of them", has'nt really been bourne out in the last 6 weeks with Spuds.

No, but it has for the other 3.5 years he's been in charge.

And even after a bad run, they're still in 4th place.  And Spurs will probably end up with more points than O'Neill ever managed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 01, 2012, 05:20:26 PM
Hodgson's a good coach, I think it's a decent choice. Trouble is, you need to be more than a good coach to succeed with England, and my worry is that large sections of the media have already decided he's not up to it, and it won't be long before they turn him into some ridiculous tabloid caricature called 'Woy'.

I really hope he does well. His big challenge is that he's almost immediately thrown into a major tournament.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
You never know, he might actually do OK.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
Biggest problem with Hodgson - apart from his 'man on the Clapham Omnibus' image - is going to be with the egos: after Capello's departure, several of the senior palyeres tweeted that 'arry was their choice. Twitter was apparently noticeably quiet yesterday when Woy was being interviewed for the job.

I also think his lack of success at 'big clubs' - Inter, Blackburn (he took over soon after their  P'ship win), Liverpool - does sort of support the argument that he ain't a big enough personality to deal with the stars. It's a crap reason not be accepted as a maanger, but it's also the nature of the environment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
Re being thrown into a big tournement - I think it is a good thing. He has the players away for 6 weeks, and if he over achieves and gets to say a semi final, he is set for the next 3 years, with players respect behind him. If I were him I would pick a decent amount of youth in the squad, and leave out Terry and quite possibly Gerard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2012, 06:01:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
Redknapp is tactically clueless though. At Spurs, they have one tactic which is very fast paced, but once up against any team with quality, then he starts to flounder. Spurs have been walloped a couple of times this season against sides that have worked them out. He is also prickly, despite his seeming cheeky chappy image, and I reckon if the going got tough his relationship with the press would sour pretty quickly. 

There's probably a downside to that I don't see.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2012, 06:02:00 PM
Redknapps been in the press too often for the wrong reasons. That may also have been a consideration. He likes to spout off a fair bit. Hodgson shuns the limelight and is more likely to just get on with it. I think he'll do well. It's like they've said regarding Keegan. He was the peoples choice and that turned out to be a disaster. Temperament is important too. They don't want a manager who might throw his toys out the pram and walk out again (Capello, KK), or someone who might drop a bollock somewhere along the line (Hoddle).

I think Hodgson will be similar to Venables. Not spectacular but he'll organise the team well and we may well have an impact on a tournement. Plus I can get behind Hodgson, whereas I want to punch Redknapp in his half melted face!

There's not a manager out there, who's English, who could turn us into a tournement winning side any time soon. Redknapp couldn't. I sense, and agree, that the FA just want to go about this quietly with a solid, experienced manager. The 10 mill they save on having to pay off Spurs for leatherface can be invested into youth development.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Apyadg on May 01, 2012, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
You never know, he might actually do OK.

When was "ok" last accepted by England fans and the press? Every team seems to be the golden generation expected to lift the World Cup.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 01, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 01, 2012, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
You never know, he might actually do OK.

When was "ok" last accepted by England fans and the press? Every team seems to be the golden generation expected to lift the World Cup.
Yeah cause we really are the best team in the World and we should win every competition and beat every team by a cricket score.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 01, 2012, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:46:52 PM
Re being thrown into a big tournement - I think it is a good thing. He has the players away for 6 weeks, and if he over achieves and gets to say a semi final, he is set for the next 3 years, with players respect behind him. If I were him I would pick a decent amount of youth in the squad, and leave out Terry and quite possibly Gerard.

I'd take Gerard as he's normally one of our better players at major tournaments, but leave the likes of Terry, Lampard, Ferdinand at home.

I do think Hodgson will do quite well, but aiming to win the Euro's is pushing it a bit, I can't see much past Germany/Spain myself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 01, 2012, 06:21:25 PM
I think he is a great choice and I really hope he does a good job because our press will bloody torture him if he does not.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 06:23:28 PM
Get rid of the old guard and play the younger,hungrier players.Bollox to Terry,he's a liability.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ginger fanny on May 01, 2012, 06:27:44 PM
Dowie, things can only get better  :-\
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 01, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 01, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 01, 2012, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
You never know, he might actually do OK.

When was "ok" last accepted by England fans and the press? Every team seems to be the golden generation expected to lift the World Cup.
Yeah cause we really are the best team in the World and we should win every competition and beat every team by a cricket score.

Tbf I think most people realistically expect us to get to the quarter-finals and hope that we can get beyond that.

I don't think many people expect us to win any tournament we enter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.

But I tell you what , if England didn't have him, and he falls out with Spurs over it, I'd be more than happy with Redknapp at Villa, never liked him as a bloke but one of the few managers I think will certainly improve us risk-free (as opposed to a Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers, johnny foreigner gamble).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 01, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
Old Woy isn't the sexy, rentaquote type the press wanted.  They will be after him from the minute go.  I think he's a steady eddie, nothing flash but a brilliant technical brain.  I'm pleased the so called people's favourite didn't even get an interview.  He's crooked rubbery faced fuck and I hope we put a nail in their 4th place coffin on Sunday.

McLeish OUT!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
I don't think expectations are very high now at all. I'd say with the lateness of the appointment and how poor we've been in the last two tournements (a no show in the last Euro's, followed by the WC debacle) is there anyone out there who expects us to get any more than a last 8 (if that). A lot of people don't fancy us to get out the group.

With that in mind I think Roy has a certain freedom to fail afforded to him for this tournement. We don't have the weight of expectations. If we can play without that weight and pressure, and just relax, we might do okay.

I fancy us to make the last 4. Which will surprise most if we manage it. It's the first time in decades where we aren't expected to do much at all.
I would hope Woy will get rid of the old guard, so called golden generation. They've let us down consistently at this level and bottled the big stages. There should be enough quality for us to give a good account of ourselves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 08:51:52 PM
Interesting that the manager of the English national team is earning the same as McLeech! What we were our board thinking?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.
In which case, well done the FA.

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
Hodgson has managed a true European giant in Inter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
He's also managed three different National teams before England, good choice I reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
He's also managed three different National teams before England, good choice I reckon.
Getting Switzerland to third best team in the world* along the way. A pretty spectacular achievement.

*caveat, according to the silly FIFA rankings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.
In which case, well done the FA.

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.

The proof will be when he picks his first squad. If the entire set up have any balls they will use the European Championships as a platform to really have a go at the World Cup. They won't take the old has been, disuptive wasters, and will invest in blooding younger players to mentally and technically prepare them for international competition. I have zero faith, whoever the manager is that they will do that, or indeed set in place structural changes to the game as Spain and Germany have. As long as the PL is king in England, the national team will be an afterthought. English football has its head firmly stuck up its arse and until that changes from the grass roots up, Hodgson or whoever will be on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
The way the press treat our England managers is one of the reason's why i don't really care that much about the national side anymore. He'll get a rough ride once he dares to lose a couple of games on the trot and no doubt they're already thinking up deogratory names for him. It really is journalism of the lowest form as Sir Graham found out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 01, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
The job is not the management of the team it is the management of the media.   It is no coincidence that the only England manager who won anything treated them with the contempt they richly deserve.


In the same way that the media have given us flaccid populist government it has given us flaccid populist national football team management.   Our national team has fallen so far behind the rest of the world that it has become a long term job to rebuild it.   The one thing the media will not let any manager have is time
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.
In which case, well done the FA.

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager
rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.

Well that's the thing isn't it. I don't think Hodgson is the best choice. For once, and believe me this doesn't occur often, I actually agree with the London press. And I'm surprised to be in the apparent minority by saying so, but I guess it's opinions that make all this so much fun.

On a footnote, as these tournaments come around , I'm always intrigued to hear accusations of this perceived raising of expectations of Englands chances. Now i know the tabloids tend to tub-thump a bit but who or where are these mythical fans that actually believe we can win a major tournament? Honestly, I've never met one. If anything, at England games I've been to its always been very much the other way. We all know where we are in world football, a quarter final side with anything else being a bonus.


Anyway, isn't this a Villa manager thread?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 01, 2012, 10:31:21 PM
Wish him the best - a really decent bloke and huge experience and speaks 5 languages. Better than the larf a minute Cockney Crook. Both have their strengths and weaknesses to be fair.
Hopefully he will kick out some of the disruptive self appointed golden gernration of arseholes like Terry, Gerrard, Lampard, Rio et al. Time to look to the future.
Offer captaincy to Hart, play Rooney a  little deeper with Bent/Welbeck/Crouch up top etc..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eamonn on May 01, 2012, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
He's also managed three different National teams before England, good choice I reckon.
Getting Switzerland to third best team in the world* along the way. A pretty spectacular achievement.

*caveat, according to the silly FIFA rankings.

I saw that on SkySportsNews. When the fuck was that exactly?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
1994
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 11:03:41 PM
1994
Is that a real stat or a made up one?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 01, 2012, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.
In which case, well done the FA.

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.

The proof will be when he picks his first squad. If the entire set up have any balls they will use the European Championships as a platform to really have a go at the World Cup. They won't take the old has been, disuptive wasters, and will invest in blooding younger players to mentally and technically prepare them for international competition. I have zero faith, whoever the manager is that they will do that, or indeed set in place structural changes to the game as Spain and Germany have. As long as the PL is king in England, the national team will be an afterthought. English football has its head firmly stuck up its arse and until that changes from the grass roots up, Hodgson or whoever will be on a hiding to nothing.
How right you are TV, The elephant in the room is what he does about the Ferdinand Terry situation, get this wrong and his tenure is doomed from day one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 01, 2012, 11:32:27 PM
The press wanted Del boy , they got Prince charles .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 01, 2012, 11:38:00 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 01, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
The job is not the management of the team it is the management of the media.   It is no coincidence that the only England manager who won anything treated them with the contempt they richly deserve.


In the same way that the media have given us flaccid populist government it has given us flaccid populist national football team management.   Our national team has fallen so far behind the rest of the world that it has become a long term job to rebuild it.   The one thing the media will not let any manager have is time
Agree and this reflects a sad indictement of our society, I would love to know how many people really believe the shit the media produces. Most people I meet can have a decent conversation regarding most issues that are rarely reflected by the media. Maybe I am out of touch, people are just stupid or the media live in a different place to the rest of us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 01, 2012, 11:51:49 PM
It pisses me off that the press all they wanted was Harry and because it is not , they are starting on Hodgson already.    Harry ass lickers the lot of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 01, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
I hope he has the backbone to go in there and make the changes that the set up has needed for a few years now.  For too long, England have tried to find a system to suit certain players and it hasn't worked.  Hopefully Hodgson will do the opposite and implement a system and fit players around it, no matter who they are or who they play for.  The nature and timing of his appointment means he's basically got a free shot at these Euros and I hope he uses it to bring in some new faces and move on some of the old guard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 02, 2012, 12:08:10 AM
He's more doomed than Mcleish is. You can't do the England job without the press at least on side and with the various redknapp/MON/whoever factions upset their men have been overlooked he'd need to win the thing to have a chance of seeing this time next year. Don't like his style of football but he's basically an honourable man and i haven't been able to follow the press reports because there's an undercurrent of sneer in everything they print or say. again like Mcleish it's a car crash we can/could all see coming

Give it till christmas latest before he's called Horseraddish Hodgson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 02, 2012, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 02, 2012, 12:08:10 AM
He's more doomed than Mcleish is. You can't do the England job without the press at least on side and with the various redknapp/MON/whoever factions upset their men have been overlooked he'd need to win the thing to have a chance of seeing this time next year. Don't like his style of football but he's basically an honourable man and i haven't been able to follow the press reports because there's an undercurrent of sneer in everything they print or say. again like Mcleish it's a car crash we can/could all see coming

Give it till christmas latest before he's called Horseraddish Hodgson.
But just like Villa there are not that many candidates, based on the criteria ( he has to be English) They did not apoint Rednapp because they have no idea what other skelletons are likely to jump out of the cupboard, and there are plenty that his media mates have so far covered up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 02, 2012, 12:45:14 AM
well there isn't many candidates true, but then the F. A. fuelled the Redknapp thing..  Instead of knocking the rumours on the head months ago, they let if run so they had half the Chelsea/United/Liverpool regulars endorsing him and the press salivating over his arrival. again, its like Villa with Mcleish - if they'd told everyone they were aiming low, then maybe people wouldn't be so disappointed,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 02, 2012, 01:16:24 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 01, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
I'm with Mazrim on this one, as I said in the other football thread, I see Hodgson being a repeat of the Mclaren era. He's an average manager in my view and the press are already gunning for him, the tone of questioning at his introduction said it all. The old guard of Terry, Gerrard and Lampard have already shown how disruptive they can be when they don't get their way and they've already said - in so many words - he's not their choice. I hope I'm wrong but thats how I see it.
In which case, well done the FA.

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.

The proof will be when he picks his first squad. If the entire set up have any balls they will use the European Championships as a platform to really have a go at the World Cup. They won't take the old has been, disuptive wasters, and will invest in blooding younger players to mentally and technically prepare them for international competition. I have zero faith, whoever the manager is that they will do that, or indeed set in place structural changes to the game as Spain and Germany have. As long as the PL is king in England, the national team will be an afterthought. English football has its head firmly stuck up its arse and until that changes from the grass roots up, Hodgson or whoever will be on a hiding to nothing.

Why not have a go at the Euros?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2012, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 02, 2012, 01:16:24 AM
Why not have a go at the Euros?

It’s not that we wouldn’t have a go.  It’s more that we - well Hodgson - might be wise to drop a few of the names and play hungrier and less corrosive young players as opposed to Terry, Lampard, Ferdinand and Gerrard.  That doesn’t mean that we don’t go for the Euros it’s just that it would be perceived that we’d be building for the future.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on May 02, 2012, 03:10:01 AM
Woy going to England feels like GT moving to Villa, the press would have preferred 'arry so poor woy doesn't stand a chance. I hope he does well!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 02, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
Already the front page of todays rag is nothing short of disgraceful - a personal attack on his first day FFS

One of the many reasons i dont follow England with such enthusiasm as i do Villa is the politics involved. Take Sven with Walcott - takes him purely due to the fact that Arsenal only had a single English player in their squad and a team like them have to be represented. And never played him!!

I have never known an England coach pick a team on form rather than reputation and i see Roy as being no different - but i dont think its his fault - the media and politics always get in the way

This is the main reason Clough never got the job as he would have upset the billy big bollocks of the time. I have always felt that once you have over 10 caps then the player decides when its time to quit - look at the backlash GT got when he dragged an aging Lineker off

As far as Roy over Bagpuss - was a little disappointed only for the fact it would have been the Emporers new clothes with the spiv - he would have been embarrassing wathcing him being tactically outwitted by vastly superior  coaches
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2012, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 02, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
Take Sven with Walcott - takes him purely due to the fact that Arsenal only had a single English player in their squad and a team like them have to be represented
What a load of utter tosh.

Not least because at the time of the 2006 World Cup Arsenal had Sol Campbell and Ashley Cole in their squad. Both of whom were picked in the England squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 02, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
Roy Hodgson is an intelligent man who knows world football and systems inside out . His problem will be the press who will hound him and his family as soon as anything goes wrong, and the players. When I say the players I mean Terry/Lampard/Ferdinand/Ashley Cole and that ilk. Terry is dispensible so are Lampard and Ferdinand. Ashley Cole has always played well for England but does things his way and probably isnt adaptable to any new ideas that Hodgson may implement.
We do have believe it or not some very good young players but does Roy have a chance

History tells me...no.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 09:35:47 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 02, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
Already the front page of todays rag is nothing short of disgraceful - a personal attack on his first day FFS

One of the many reasons i dont follow England with such enthusiasm as i do Villa is the politics involved. Take Sven with Walcott - takes him purely due to the fact that Arsenal only had a single English player in their squad and a team like them have to be represented. And never played him!!

I have never known an England coach pick a team on form rather than reputation and i see Roy as being no different - but i dont think its his fault - the media and politics always get in the way

This is the main reason Clough never got the job as he would have upset the billy big bollocks of the time. I have always felt that once you have over 10 caps then the player decides when its time to quit - look at the backlash GT got when he dragged an aging Lineker off

As far as Roy over Bagpuss - was a little disappointed only for the fact it would have been the Emporers new clothes with the spiv - he would have been embarrassing wathcing him being tactically outwitted by vastly superior  coaches

Good post . exactly . I hope he does well , I dont follow England much as I hate the Terry and Cole tossers in the team etc but the press make out they know everything and they know fuck all .   Poor bloke , he dont deserve that shite , they should be getting behind him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2012, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 02, 2012, 01:16:24 AM
Why not have a go at the Euros?

It’s not that we wouldn’t have a go.  It’s more that we - well Hodgson - might be wise to drop a few of the names and play hungrier and less corrosive young players as opposed to Terry, Lampard, Ferdinand and Gerrard.  That doesn’t mean that we don’t go for the Euros it’s just that it would be perceived that we’d be building for the future.

Exaxtly.

it would be like a PL club having a 'transitional season' where they blood new and younger players to build a foundation for the seasons to come.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
I agree with most of the sentiment here that Woy will have a tough time from the press; if only because the FA have wrong-footed them on the appointment of King 'arry.

The size of the shit-storm awaiting Woy depends on the choice of first squad, performance in the Euros, etc. His best opportunity to avoid / minimise the storm will be his choice of support staff: if, for instance, he has Pearce as his No.2, we may see the players and media cut him some slack. Since Pearce knows the younger players, this would be a very sensible move.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on May 02, 2012, 09:58:58 AM
We may not even qualify for the World Cup.We have however qualified for the Euros so we should be focusing totally on that and picking the best players available to have a go at winning it.Who knows what will be in two years time.Rooney may be retired through injury and we may have a 17yr old boy wonder leading the charge.Football is a now thing.Look after the present and the future takes care of itself
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2012, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 02, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
Already the front page of todays rag is nothing short of disgraceful - a personal attack on his first day FFS

One of the many reasons i dont follow England with such enthusiasm as i do Villa is the politics involved. Take Sven with Walcott - takes him purely due to the fact that Arsenal only had a single English player in their squad and a team like them have to be represented. And never played him!!

I have never known an England coach pick a team on form rather than reputation and i see Roy as being no different - but i dont think its his fault - the media and politics always get in the way

This is the main reason Clough never got the job as he would have upset the billy big bollocks of the time. I have always felt that once you have over 10 caps then the player decides when its time to quit - look at the backlash GT got when he dragged an aging Lineker off

As far as Roy over Bagpuss - was a little disappointed only for the fact it would have been the Emporers new clothes with the spiv - he would have been embarrassing wathcing him being tactically outwitted by vastly superior  coaches
My 'take' on the Walcott thing was always that Wenger extracted an agreement for Walcott to be taken along as a 'development opportunity' for one of England's high-potentials; the likelihood of him every having got a game was very low. Bizarre, I know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi

Roberto Martinez  2/1
Paul Lambert 6/1
Rafa Benitez 8/1
Neil Lennon 9/1
Alan Curbishley 10/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 12/1
Kevin Macdonald 14/1
Laurent Blanc 14/1
Mick McCarthy 14/1
Brendan Rodgers 16/1
Brian McDermott 16/1
Gianfranco Zola 16/1
Louis Van Gaal 16/1
Marcelo Bielsa 16/1
Paolo Di Canio 16/1
Quique Sanchez Flores 16/1
Roberto Di Matteo 16/1
Bob Bradley 20/1
Dave Jones 20/1
David Moyes 20/1
Gordon Cowans 20/1
Gus Poyet 20/1
Karl Robinson 20/1
Lee Clark 20/1
Ray Wilkins 20/1
Roy Keane 20/1
Slaven Bilic 20/1
Steve Bruce 20/1
Ally McCoist 25/1
Billy Davies 25/1
Chris Hughton 25/1
Didier Deschamps 25/1
Jurgen Klinsmann 25/1
Malky Mackay 25/1
Dougie Freedman 33/1
Fabio Capello 33/1
Gary McAllister 33/1
Gordon Strachen 33/1
Nigel Worthington 33/1
Paul Ince 33/1
Sam Allardyce 33/1
Steve McClaren 33/1
Stuart Pearce 33/1
Walter Smith 33/1
Bruce Arena 40/1
Greame Souness 40/1
Ian Holloway 40/1
David O'Leary 50/1
Gary Megson 50/1
Mark Hughes 50/1
Glenn Hoddle 50/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 50/1
Terry Venables 50/1
Andy Gray 100/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:05:33 AM
So, the bookes really don't have a clue then, do they?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi

Roberto Martinez  2/1
Paul Lambert 6/1
Rafa Benitez 8/1
Neil Lennon 9/1
Alan Curbishley 10/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 12/1
Kevin Macdonald 14/1
Laurent Blanc 14/1
Mick McCarthy 14/1
Brendan Rodgers 16/1
Brian McDermott 16/1
Gianfranco Zola 16/1
Louis Van Gaal 16/1
Marcelo Bielsa 16/1
Paolo Di Canio 16/1
Quique Sanchez Flores 16/1
Roberto Di Matteo 16/1
Bob Bradley 20/1
Dave Jones 20/1
David Moyes 20/1
Gordon Cowans 20/1
Gus Poyet 20/1
Karl Robinson 20/1
Lee Clark 20/1
Ray Wilkins 20/1
Roy Keane 20/1
Slaven Bilic 20/1
Steve Bruce 20/1
Ally McCoist 25/1
Billy Davies 25/1
Chris Hughton 25/1
Didier Deschamps 25/1
Jurgen Klinsmann 25/1
Malky Mackay 25/1
Dougie Freedman 33/1
Fabio Capello 33/1
Gary McAllister 33/1
Gordon Strachen 33/1
Nigel Worthington 33/1
Paul Ince 33/1
Sam Allardyce 33/1
Steve McClaren 33/1
Stuart Pearce 33/1
Walter Smith 33/1
Bruce Area 40/1
Greame Souness 40/1
Ian Holloway 40/1
David O'Leary 50/1
Gary Megson 50/1
Mark Hughes 50/1
Glenn Hoddle 50/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 50/1
Terry Venables 50/1
Andy Gray 100/1
I'd like Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Neil Lennon come from nowhere ;(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 02, 2012, 10:14:45 AM
Where's Kenny Dalglish?

He'll be out of a job in June.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 10:19:02 AM
Martinez is favourite purely due to the previous contact.

Surprised Rodgers is as far back as 16/1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 02, 2012, 10:23:56 AM
That list is absurd.  I'm surprised I'm not on there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Where's Terry Connor?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 12:11:36 PM
Martinez for me, I have to say. Seems like the right move at the right time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simon Ward on May 02, 2012, 12:12:12 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Where's Terry Connor?

Good question! Who knows?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on May 02, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
No place for Martin Jol on that list, who I'd love to be the next manager and I think would be gettable, but Moyes at 20-1, who would be much harder to get IMO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TaxDodger on May 02, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Neil Lennon come from nowhere ;(

I don't see why he has such short odds. If can't imagine any respectable football club giving him a job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 02, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Neil Lennon come from nowhere ;(

I don't see why he has such short odds. If can't imagine any respectable football club giving him a job.

The Blues then when Houghton goes to WBA.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 02, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Neil Lennon come from nowhere ;(

I don't see why he has such short odds. If can't imagine any respectable football club giving him a job.

The Blues then when Houghton goes to WBA.

After they lose the play-offs and Hughton goes they'll have Mick McCarthy I reckon!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pedro25 on May 02, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
i think I'd go for Hughton, would also have preferred M'ON than Hodgson for England.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 02, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Neil Lennon come from nowhere ;(

I don't see why he has such short odds. If can't imagine any respectable football club giving him a job.

We'd better not be looking at giving that massive twat a job.
Just looking at his pale smarmy boatrace fills me with adamantium rage.

Just leave the fucking SPL and managers who made their name there alone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 02, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
i think I'd go for Hughton, would also have preferred M'ON than Hodgson for England.

Hughton would be a very good choice but after what's happened this season, i'm not sure Randy will be brave enough to go after another Blues manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 02, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
i think I'd go for Hughton, would also have preferred M'ON than Hodgson for England.

Hughton would be a very good choice but after what's happened this season, i'm not sure Randy will be brave enough to go after another Blues manager.

Indeed, even though it has nothing to do with the Blues connection I have no doubt that the board think it does.

However, on Hughton, I can't say he strikes me as a fantastic candidate for our level, or the level we want to be at. There's no doubt that he did well at Newcastle, and was harshly treated, and is now doing well at Blues - but it cannot be forgotten that he was fired from Newcastle because they felt he didn't have a vision, and have moved forward spectacularly after leaving Hughton, his transfer policy and his style of play behind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 02, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
Bruce Area - is he off those Fosters Gold ads? I think its about time up and coming Paul Ince was released back into the wild.

Regardless I'll be staying well clear of this circus - lost a packet last Summer, got a nice green book on betfair kept laying bits off on McLeish arrogantly convinced they'd never appoint him and then wallop. Can't wait for the mysteryman in the knows, the randy lerner jet spotting, the sponsored silence from the Villa hierarchy, the outraged Evertonians, no end of shitty clubs ruling out their managers and telling us how insignificant we are, then finally another civil disturbance as we leave no stone unturned to appoint Gary F%^&kin Megson! >:(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 02, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 02, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
i think I'd go for Hughton, would also have preferred M'ON than Hodgson for England.

Hughton would be a very good choice but after what's happened this season, i'm not sure Randy will be brave enough to go after another Blues manager.

Indeed, even though it has nothing to do with the Blues connection I have no doubt that the board think it does.

However, on Hughton, I can't say he strikes me as a fantastic candidate for our level, or the level we want to be at. There's no doubt that he did well at Newcastle, and was harshly treated, and is now doing well at Blues - but it cannot be forgotten that he was fired from Newcastle because they felt he didn't have a vision, and have moved forward spectacularly after leaving Hughton, his transfer policy and his style of play behind.

He got Newcastle back up and to mid-table before they booted him out and he could well do the same with Blues. His style of play and transfer policy has stood him in good stead so far, so i would'nt knock his record with the two club's he's managed too much.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
He got Newcastle back up and to mid-table before they booted him out and he could well do the same with Blues. His style of play and transfer policy has stood him in good stead so far, so i would'nt knock his record with the two club's he's managed too much.

I agree he's done decently, but he might just be a 'middling' choice for us, no better than a Curbishley or a McCarthy even. He seems good at his level, but not much beyond that. I could be wrong, of course, but those are the indications.

Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 02, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
Regardless I'll be staying well clear of this circus - lost a packet last Summer, got a nice green book on betfair kept laying bits off on McLeish arrogantly convinced they'd never appoint him and then wallop. Can't wait for the mysteryman in the knows, the randy lerner jet spotting, the sponsored silence from the Villa hierarchy, the outraged Evertonians, no end of shitty clubs ruling out their managers and telling us how insignificant we are, then finally another civil disturbance as we leave no stone unturned to appoint Gary F%^&kin Megson! >:(

Haha, this is an absolutely spot on assessment of how the summer will go (although hopefully not ending with Megson!).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: lordmcgrath5 on May 02, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
Paul Lambert would be a good choice I reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 02, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 02, 2012, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 02, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
i think I'd go for Hughton, would also have preferred M'ON than Hodgson for England.

Hughton would be a very good choice but after what's happened this season, i'm not sure Randy will be brave enough to go after another Blues manager.
I'd quite like us to appoint another Blues manager to prove the point that we didn't want McLeish because of his record and football, not the Blues thing

Indeed, even though it has nothing to do with the Blues connection I have no doubt that the board think it does.

However, on Hughton, I can't say he strikes me as a fantastic candidate for our level, or the level we want to be at. There's no doubt that he did well at Newcastle, and was harshly treated, and is now doing well at Blues - but it cannot be forgotten that he was fired from Newcastle because they felt he didn't have a vision, and have moved forward spectacularly after leaving Hughton, his transfer policy and his style of play behind.

He got Newcastle back up and to mid-table before they booted him out and he could well do the same with Blues. His style of play and transfer policy has stood him in good stead so far, so i would'nt knock his record with the two club's he's managed too much.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: lordmcgrath5 on May 02, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
Paul Lambert would be a good choice I reckon.

If/when he goes, Lambert would be my first (realistic) choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 01, 2012, 08:57:51 PM

Rather than pandering to dimwits they've made the right decision rather than the popular one. They've employed the most experienced and best qualified manager rather than the one The Sun says they should have appointed.

They don't get much praise, but they can have it for this.

I agree, I actually think it's a great appointment and the best man got the job. However, I think success for Roy should be measured in how he sets up the natinoal training system and youth centre at Burton and how that succeeds 10 years from now, rather than immediate success in the next 3 tournaments which, at the moment, I don't care too much about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi
Lee Clark 20/1

That's a decent price for a good young up and coming manager. Available for free too, the job he did with Huddersfield was fantastic.

But I bet our board has never even heard of him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi
Lee Clark 20/1

That's a decent price for a good young up and coming manager. Available for free too, the job he did with Huddersfield was fantastic.

But I bet our board has never even heard of him.

Didn't he have a comparitively huge sum of money to work with for League 1?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
I think from the list Martinez is the most interesting option for me. Lambert is a solid choice that would do ok, but I reckon Martinez, with a bit of support, could really do something special with someone. HE is still very young for a manager too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Yes Clark did spend a lot, but he also made a lot of money back through some big sales.

Besides it doesn't mean he's solely a cheque-book manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Yes Clark did spend a lot, but he also made a lot of money back through some big sales.

Besides it doesn't mean he's solely a cheque-book manager.

Not saying he is, but just pointing out that his job was to buy the best players and mold them into a team, a la Mourinho at Chelsea, as opposed getting the best out of an existing squad with a moderate amount of cash to improve it, which will the brief for any new Villa manager.

That's not to say he couldn't do it, but just that it leaves a question mark over him for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
I think from the list Martinez is the most interesting option for me. Lambert is a solid choice that would do ok, but I reckon Martinez, with a bit of support, could really do something special with someone. HE is still very young for a manager too.

I agree with this. He's the right age, the right style of football, the right amount of knowledge of Britain and outside and, perhaps most importantly, clearly a huge amount of guts, determination, single-minded commitment to an idea and a willingness to let things come good, holding his nerve as everyone tells him to change. He has also been very good for the young players in his ranks at Wigan, and he started the Swansea football-style revolution which Brendan Rodgers took on. He strikes me as the right man at the right time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
On the subject of Hodgson, nice to see today's Sun poking fun at his speech impediment on the front page.  They really are an odious bunch aren't they?  Inside, they have chosen Adrian Chiles to write a piece on Hodgson's appointment for some reason.  Chiles shows the extent of his football knowledge by saying "When Roy came to the Albion all I really knew of him was that he had a footballing CV comprised of clubs I hadn't heard of".  Inter Milan? Udinese? Liverpool? Blackburn? Fulham?  What absolute garbage!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 02, 2012, 01:59:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 02, 2012, 01:56:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
I think from the list Martinez is the most interesting option for me. Lambert is a solid choice that would do ok, but I reckon Martinez, with a bit of support, could really do something special with someone. HE is still very young for a manager too.

I agree with this. He's the right age, the right style of football, the right amount of knowledge of Britain and outside and, perhaps most importantly, clearly a huge amount of guts, determination, single-minded commitment to an idea and a willingness to let things come good, holding his nerve as everyone tells him to change. He has also been very good for the young players in his ranks at Wigan, and he started the Swansea football-style revolution which Brendan Rodgers took on. He strikes me as the right man at the right time.
I would like to see us go for him again, if only last season we got him and not AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
I am coming around to the idea of Martinez I must say.

For what I would like to see there are 4 obvious candidates: Martinez, Rodgers, Villas Boas and Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 02:01:26 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 02, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
He got Newcastle back up and to mid-table before they booted him out and he could well do the same with Blues. His style of play and transfer policy has stood him in good stead so far, so i would'nt knock his record with the two club's he's managed too much.

I agree he's done decently, but he might just be a 'middling' choice for us, no better than a Curbishley or a McCarthy even. He seems good at his level, but not much beyond that. I could be wrong, of course, but those are the indications.



I'd take Hughton over Alan 'interesting' Curbishley and Mad Mick.  But that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TaxDodger on May 02, 2012, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
On the subject of Hodgson, nice to see today's Sun poking fun at his speech impediment on the front page.  They really are an odious bunch aren't they?  Inside, they have chosen Adrian Chiles to write a piece on Hodgson's appointment for some reason.  Chiles shows the extent of his football knowledge by saying "When Roy came to the Albion all I really knew of him was that he had a footballing CV comprised of clubs I hadn't heard of".  Inter Milan? Udinese? Liverpool? Blackburn? Fulham?  What absolute garbage!!

That's unreal. Why does Adrian Chiles even exist?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
I am coming around to the idea of Martinez I must say.

For what I would like to see there are 4 obvious candidates: Martinez, Rodgers, Villas Boas and Lambert.

From that, Rogers and Lambert I would like to see have a second season. Villas Boas we have no chance, he will end up at a CL club on the continent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 02:01:26 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 02, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
He got Newcastle back up and to mid-table before they booted him out and he could well do the same with Blues. His style of play and transfer policy has stood him in good stead so far, so i would'nt knock his record with the two club's he's managed too much.

I agree he's done decently, but he might just be a 'middling' choice for us, no better than a Curbishley or a McCarthy even. He seems good at his level, but not much beyond that. I could be wrong, of course, but those are the indications.



I'd take Hughton over Alan 'interesting' Curbishley and Mad Mick.  But that's not saying much.


Oh I agree, I just don't think he'd take us much further than they would.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 02, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Martinez is a good manager, but I'm not sure that he's what we need right now.  Whoever replaces McLeish doesn't have a squad full of footballers who like to play attractiv football, plus he's going to have to try and improve the squad on the cheap. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
I am coming around to the idea of Martinez I must say.

For what I would like to see there are 4 obvious candidates: Martinez, Rodgers, Villas Boas and Lambert.

From that, Rogers and Lambert I would like to see have a second season. Villas Boas we have no chance, he will end up at a CL club on the continent.

Will he though? He has so far done one good job and one bad one. Now, you can understand why it didnt work out at Chelsea and though I wouldn't rule it out, I dont see him getting another top job as a formality.

In any case, we should approach him and see what he wants to do. He may feel like he has something to prove in the Premier League and would know that as long as he wasnt awful he'd get the time and space to build something at Villa.
You dont ask, you dont get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
But he has had nothing to spend at Wigan, and I would argue we have way more quality than them in players like Ireland, Bent, NZogbia etc. We have not got a squad devoid of quality, and even with a modest budget of say 15 million (Eck got 20!) then I reckon he would be able to sort out something half decent fairly swiftly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 02, 2012, 02:18:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Martinez is a good manager, but I'm not sure that he's what we need right now.  Whoever replaces McLeish doesn't have a squad full of footballers who like to play attractiv football, plus he's going to have to try and improve the squad on the cheap. 

You know what, I think we do have that sort of squad, the senior back four excluded (and they're more capable than they want to be). We just have a manager who has no idea how to achieve it. If our summer transfers can essentially go on good defenders who can play football, that would improve our squad no end.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
I am coming around to the idea of Martinez I must say.

For what I would like to see there are 4 obvious candidates: Martinez, Rodgers, Villas Boas and Lambert.

From that, Rogers and Lambert I would like to see have a second season. Villas Boas we have no chance, he will end up at a CL club on the continent.

Will he though? He has so far done one good job and one bad one. Now, you can understand why it didnt work out at Chelsea and though I wouldn't rule it out, I dont see him getting another top job as a formality.

In any case, we should approach him and see what he wants to do. He may feel like he has something to prove in the Premier League and would know that as long as he wasnt awful he'd get the time and space to build something at Villa.
You dont ask, you dont get.

True, but even if not a 'top' job, I'd say he'd have suitors in a better position than Villa are in right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
So find out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SHEPS on May 02, 2012, 02:21:45 PM
Been thinking about this for a while.  Breaking it down into the charactoristics of the "right" manager then I came up with the following:

-  As a few senior players are likely to leave in the summer we are left with a nucleus of a number of young prospects.  A manager who is deemed to be be inspirational to the kids - a recent ex-player who the kids can look up to and relish the chance to be managed by them.

-  A manager who is used to working within budgets

-  A manger that plays football the right way (not the dross we are currently used to)

-  European (more so than PL) experience - a better tactical mindset

-  A management "team" that has been together for a while and proved it can work together well

-  A strong European network of contacts and player knowledge base

-  A name that will attract new/good/coveted young players (given that we cannot compete financially as we have done in the past)

Difficult to tick all the boxes but Laudrup would be my choice (and is gettable if the conditions were right for him to make a go in the PL).  A little risky agreed but I think he'd do a good job and will want to manage in the PL
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 02:23:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 02:17:21 PM
But he has had nothing to spend at Wigan, and I would argue we have way more quality than them in players like Ireland, Bent, NZogbia etc. We have not got a squad devoid of quality, and even with a modest budget of say 15 million (Eck got 20!) then I reckon he would be able to sort out something half decent fairly swiftly.

Eck got £20m because we sold £40m worth of talent.  We do similar again and Houdini wouldn't keep us up!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
So find out.

If McLeish does go, then I think when they draw up a list his name should be on it.

However, due to a number of factors I think it won't go much further than that.  One of those being the wages he'd be asking for and kitty to make sure he could make a good fist of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Villas-Boas or Martinez, I would be perfectly happy with. I just want someone who attacks and plays good football, we need to show some ambition at every level of the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Martinez is a good manager, but I'm not sure that he's what we need right now.  Whoever replaces McLeish doesn't have a squad full of footballers who like to play attractiv football, plus he's going to have to try and improve the squad on the cheap. 
Martinez will, I suspect, end up elsewhere, in his own good time.
However, i disagree with your comment about the squad of attractive-playing footballers: we have some excellent players who need to be properly led.
And your comment about improvements on the cheap: whoever comes in will have this challenge. Managers like Martinez (Lambert, Rodgers, etc) have been doing that for years anyway. It's the way it is right now for most clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
So find out.

If McLeish does go, then I think when they draw up a list his name should be on it.

However, due to a number of factors I think it won't go much further than that.  One of those being the wages he'd be asking for and kitty to make sure he could make a good fist of it.

He's in his mid 30s and a fledgling manager. I'm not sure he can demand all sorts yet but if thats his mo good luck to him and we move on.
It's not like we haven't already been paying large salaries to our managers under Lerner (a proven failure like McLeish in the top 20 earners?).

And I'm sure he'd get money to spend. As any new manager will.
Again, any manager who depends on having a fortune to spend rather than trusting in his tactical nous and wheeling and dealing is not really the man we need anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 02, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Villas-Boas or Martinez, I would be perfectly happy with. I just want someone who attacks and plays good football, we need to show some ambition at every level of the club.

Oh and Lambert or Schaarf or Bielsa. I'm not saying these are all realistic, but we have to move into the 21st Century and start playing possession football. It's much more enjoyable to watch and we might actually progress and win some games.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyellis on May 02, 2012, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 02, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Villas-Boas or Martinez, I would be perfectly happy with. I just want someone who attacks and plays good football, we need to show some ambition at every level of the club.

For me these two would be the front runners and the very credible but more risky alternatives are Lambert and Rodgers. AVB may be out of our reach but agree we should test the water. Other than that if they fancied Martinez last year what's changed as far as Villa are concerned?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:21:35 PM
So find out.

If McLeish does go, then I think when they draw up a list his name should be on it.

However, due to a number of factors I think it won't go much further than that.  One of those being the wages he'd be asking for and kitty to make sure he could make a good fist of it.

He's in his mid 30s and a fledgling manager. I'm not sure he can demand all sorts yet but if thats his mo good luck to him and we move on.
It's not like we haven't already been paying large salaries to our managers under Lerner (a proven failure like McLeish in the top 20 earners?).

And I'm sure he'd get money to spend. As any new manager will.
Again, any manager who depends on having a fortune to spend rather than trusting in his tactical nous and wheeling and dealing is not really the man we need anyway.

I'd imagine he wouldn't take a huge drop in his Chelsea salary, which I'm sure dwarfs the £2m a year we pay AM.

And our current man in the hot seat didn't get anything to spend, but rather half of what he could generate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 02, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Yes, that was then, this is now.
If money was available to spend last summer you'd think they wouldnt have hired McLeish anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
the one thing I would be very confident about Martinez is that he will try and find players in every price range that can trap and pass a football. Swansea have shown that you don't need Man City money to find players that are technically gifted. Those players don't have the numerous other talents that Man City's money buys, but we don't need to concern ourselves "at this point in time" with competing consistently at that level. Walk first, and find players that make us competitive, committed and importantly, attractive to watch every weekend. As we become more successful and consistent we will naturally attract better players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 02, 2012, 03:43:44 PM
I'd like to think the majority of footballers would rather play a neat, attractive style of play and are capable of doing it, given the strategy, coaching and encouragement. I don't think our current squad get that.

As for funds, don't believe the manager, whoever he is, will get a huge amount to play with. But plenty of coaches would snap an arm off to have £20m to use. I'd prefer to trust Lambert/Martinez/Rodgers with £10m than McLeish with £20m.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cb on May 02, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
I think (and hope) that the board's financial plan has been to tread water until the big earners are off the books. Come this year we will be rid of most of our under performing high earners. This will give us considerable room for manouvre in terms of transfers. Maybe not mega-riches, but certainly for shrewd acquisitions, who will accumulate value in the future. Then there's the possibility of wheeling and dealing in the future based on that to grow the value of your squad and progress through sales. This is the kind of approach that the great managers do all the time. That's what we need - an up and coming great manager. For me Martinez looks like he could be. AVB might be. We don't know whether they will or not. I just want to see us this once NOT make the kind of appointment that we know definitely won't be this kind of manager. I would hope that this is what Randy will want too. He needs to realise that we will have to speculate somewhat to accumulate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 04:20:42 PM
Quote from: cb on May 02, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
I think (and hope) that the board's financial plan has been to tread water until the big earners are off the books. Come this year we will be rid of most of our under performing high earners. This will give us considerable room for manouvre in terms of transfers. Maybe not mega-riches, but certainly for shrewd acquisitions, who will accumulate value in the future. Then there's the possibility of wheeling and dealing in the future based on that to grow the value of your squad and progress through sales. This is the kind of approach that the great managers do all the time. That's what we need - an up and coming great manager. For me Martinez looks like he could be. AVB might be. We don't know whether they will or not. I just want to see us this once NOT make the kind of appointment that we know definitely won't be this kind of manager. I would hope that this is what Randy will want too. He needs to realise that we will have to speculate somewhat to accumulate.

Unfortunately hiring Mcleish has resulted in the plan of 'treading water', actually becoming desperately floundering around and trying not to go under. Fortunately it looks like the HMS QPR might well throw us a life ring.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 02, 2012, 06:56:59 PM
I don't think Martinez would have a problem getting Villa to start playing good football. Surely following McLeish would be similar to following Bruce at Wigan in that respect. As for alternatives Lambert didn't exactly rule himself out with his replies to questions about the job recently did he? Same as Hughton hasn't ruled himself out of the Albion job from the interview I heard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 02, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
Bruce Area - is he off those Fosters Gold ads? I think its about time up and coming Paul Ince was released back into the wild.

Regardless I'll be staying well clear of this circus - lost a packet last Summer, got a nice green book on betfair kept laying bits off on McLeish arrogantly convinced they'd never appoint him and then wallop. Can't wait for the mysteryman in the knows, the randy lerner jet spotting, the sponsored silence from the Villa hierarchy, the outraged Evertonians, no end of shitty clubs ruling out their managers and telling us how insignificant we are, then finally another civil disturbance as we leave no stone unturned to appoint Gary F%^&kin Megson! >:(

*chuckle* Scarily feasible look into the future that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi
Lee Clark 20/1

That's a decent price for a good young up and coming manager. Available for free too, the job he did with Huddersfield was fantastic.

But I bet our board has never even heard of him.

Didn't he have a comparitively huge sum of money to work with for League 1?

My Hudds mates reckons they were mostly glad to see the back of him, spent shit loads and left them four years later the grand total of one place higher than where they were when they appointed him. Also reckons his much publicised unbeaten run contained far too many draws from a strong position due to overly defensive tactics against weaker teams.

Also had a reputation locally for disloyalty and speaking to a lot of clubs about vacancies behind the chairman's back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 02, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 02, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 02:13:30 PM
Martinez is a good manager, but I'm not sure that he's what we need right now.  Whoever replaces McLeish doesn't have a squad full of footballers who like to play attractiv football, plus he's going to have to try and improve the squad on the cheap. 
Martinez will, I suspect, end up elsewhere, in his own good time.
However, i disagree with your comment about the squad of attractive-playing footballers: we have some excellent players who need to be properly led.

And what about the kids who came up through the youth/reserve teams?  I thought they were all coached to play a good passing game? 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 10:36:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
From oddschecker.mobi
Lee Clark 20/1

That's a decent price for a good young up and coming manager. Available for free too, the job he did with Huddersfield was fantastic.

But I bet our board has never even heard of him.

Didn't he have a comparitively huge sum of money to work with for League 1?

My Hudds mates reckons they were mostly glad to see the back of him, spent shit loads and left them four years later the grand total of one place higher than where they were when they appointed him. Also reckons his much publicised unbeaten run contained far too many draws from a strong position due to overly defensive tactics against weaker teams.

Also had a reputation locally for disloyalty and speaking to a lot of clubs about vacancies behind the chairman's back.

Yes, and we all give a glowing reference to MON don't we?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
True although MON left, Clarke was sacked by the chairman whilst being seemingly in a strongish league position leading me to assume that the fans would be on his side and view the sacking as unjust. Not so apparently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
True although MON left, Clarke was sacked by the chairman whilst being seemingly in a strongish league position leading me to assume that the fans would be on his side and view the sacking as unjust. Not so apparently.

Fair point!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
I'd say Moses and if we are being generous, Al-Habsi, Maloney and Alcaraz.

Not exactly spectacular for three seasons work.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 03, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
I'd say Moses and if we are being generous, Al-Habsi, Maloney and Alcaraz.

Not exactly spectacular for three seasons work.

Valencia, palacios, n'zog (there IS a good player in there somewhere!), Figueroa...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 03, 2012, 12:10:26 AM
He didn't sign any of them though.....did he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2012, 12:26:09 AM
In that interview with Marnitez a week or three back, one of the things that stood out (apart from having a fucking huge TV) was that a lot of the work he was doing (he claims) is for the future benefit of Wigan, despite them being in a relegation battle.  In this regard he appears to be getting some credit for Swansea’s success too.

I think this will be a vital attribute of our next manager.  He needs to have the vision to plan and build for the future beyond just signing players.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 12:29:47 AM
Nope. Who signed McCarthy in midfield though? He is quality little player.

I would agree his weekness is transfers so far. I would want to see a really strong scouting network in place for ANY new manager. Maybe Montgomerie and Numan are a decent start with that and should be retained, but the secret of the success for Spurs, Arsenal and now Newcastle is their scouting system and ability to turn a profit on a player and then find a replacement.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2012, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 12:29:47 AM
Nope. Who signed McCarthy in midfield though? He is quality little player.

I would agree his weekness is transfers so far. I would want to see a really strong scouting network in place for ANY new manager. Maybe Montgomerie and Numan are a decent start with that and should be retained, but the secret of the success for Spurs, Arsenal and now Newcastle is their scouting system and ability to turn a profit on a player and then find a replacement.

I agree with that Ozzjim.  It’s also important that they’re allegiance is with the club rather than buddies of the manager.  The scouting knowledge and structure should remain in place regardless of who the manager is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 03, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 12:29:47 AM
Nope. Who signed McCarthy in midfield though? He is quality little player.

I would agree his weekness is transfers so far. I would want to see a really strong scouting network in place for ANY new manager. Maybe Montgomerie and Numan are a decent start with that and should be retained, but the secret of the success for Spurs, Arsenal and now Newcastle is their scouting system and ability to turn a profit on a player and then find a replacement.

If we can only spend money on one player this summer I would go for McCarthy.  Just the kind of player we need in central midfield and is only young as well.  He's going to become a really good Premiership player and I hope it is with us. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 03, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
I'd say Moses and if we are being generous, Al-Habsi, Maloney and Alcaraz.

Not exactly spectacular for three seasons work.

Valencia, palacios, n'zog (there IS a good player in there somewhere!), Figueroa...
All signed by Steve Bruce.

As was James McCartby.

Martinez's record is more along the Jason Scotland, Jean Beausejour, Steven Gohouri, Hendry Thomas level.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2012, 08:41:54 AM
It probably isn't easy attracting big players to Wigan, i mean we have a nightmare getting quality to come down the Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 03, 2012, 08:50:48 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 03, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
I'd say Moses and if we are being generous, Al-Habsi, Maloney and Alcaraz.

Not exactly spectacular for three seasons work.

Valencia, palacios, n'zog (there IS a good player in there somewhere!), Figueroa...
All signed by Steve Bruce.

As was James McCartby.

Martinez's record is more along the Jason Scotland, Jean Beausejour, Steven Gohouri, Hendry Thomas level.


so Bruce signed all the best players but cant get them to play, Martinez cant sign a decent player but gets what he's given to play well

Easy Peasy

Martinez - Manager + Bruce - DOF = Dream Team

















Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 03, 2012, 08:51:30 AM
only joshing btw
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 03, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
Martinez signed McCarthy.

But yes, his overall transfer record at Wigan is patchy.   

He did sign the bulk of the players currently doing well at Swansea though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 03, 2012, 06:29:53 PM
Now Spurs wont be looking for a new manager - I reckon we stand a chance with Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 03, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
Spurs were never likely to be looking at the likes of Rodgers or Martinez anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 03, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
IF McLeish goes then they cant afford to mess up 3rd time round...appointing new managers is proving to be a very expensive exercise for the Randy and co. I hope they can learn from their mistakes and go in search of the right man for the job rather than another cost cutting exercise, and if recruiting the right manager means sacrificing part of the transfer budget then so be it.

Pay whatever it takes to get AVB, Rodgers or Lambert...no messing around. All 3 of these managers have the potential to work with our young squad, make some shrewd young signings and mould them into the Villa team of the future. I would like to see what AVB can actually do...a young manager with fresh ideas working with young players...it sounds like an amazing project for any up and coming manager with a point to prove.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2012, 06:52:25 PM
I wonder how much Redknapp's heart will be in it next season if Spurs miss out on 4th place?  Not being England boss or playing in the Chumps League would mightily piss him off I reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 03, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
Martinez signed McCarthy.

But yes, his overall transfer record at Wigan is patchy.   

He did sign the bulk of the players currently doing well at Swansea though.

even the most experienced managers make bad signings. Part of Martinez's could just be down to learning the management game, the budget he is allowed and the scouts that he has entrusted with finding players. He'll still make some bad decisions, but one would hope as he became more experienced he'll make better choices. You're point about Swansea is valid because he bought them to play at a lower level and they've developed well enough together to be more than competent at the PL level.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 03, 2012, 07:10:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 03, 2012, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 03, 2012, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 02, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 02, 2012, 11:23:23 PM
One thing I'm not sure about for Martinez is his transfers - Tim Vickery was talking recently about Mauro Boselli and how his agent touted him around virtually every Premier League club even though it was obvious he was never going to be good enough or adapt.

The only manager to be led by the chap's agent into paying £6.5m for him was Martinez.

Aye, but how many decent signings has Martinez made for not a lot of cash?  I'd say his ratio of good to bad favours the good...
I'd say Moses and if we are being generous, Al-Habsi, Maloney and Alcaraz.

Not exactly spectacular for three seasons work.

Valencia, palacios, n'zog (there IS a good player in there somewhere!), Figueroa...
All signed by Steve Bruce.

As was James McCartby.

Martinez's record is more along the Jason Scotland, Jean Beausejour, Steven Gohouri, Hendry Thomas level.

I stand corrected then...my bad  ;D

Prob all recommended by the sith overlord to Bruce in that case...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 03, 2012, 09:39:26 PM
I was worried about Houllier's transfer record at Liverpool, yet his dealings here were probably the best bit of his tenure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2012, 07:51:49 AM
I've a terrible memory, apart from Bent who did he buy?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:32:03 AM
Makoun and brought Walker in on loan.

I suppose you could count Pires, but it's not like he had too many choices outside the transfer window.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 04, 2012, 08:44:56 AM
And Bradley, who wasnt really given a proper chance.
I think once he settled he would have been an asset.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 04, 2012, 08:56:13 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 03, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
Martinez signed McCarthy.

But yes, his overall transfer record at Wigan is patchy.   

He did sign the bulk of the players currently doing well at Swansea though.

I think it's a bit unfair to say Martinez's record is patchy.  He's managed to keep Wigan in the PL for a few years now, that's as much as can be expected at that club.  Getting the kind of quality to sign with that as the ambition takes some doing.  Players are clearly there for the money and use Wigan as a stepping stone to better things.  The same can be said of us and others alike but we have more ambition than Wigan.  Certainly more than "do well here and you might get noticed by others". N'zog being a case in point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 04, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

???

I think the key line from that interview is (to paraphrase)  "I like London blah blah, especially west London and my favourite colour is Blue"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 10:23:13 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 04, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

???

I think the key line from that interview is (to paraphrase)  "I like London blah blah, especially west London and my favourite colour is Blue"

OK..Maybe he can tolerate a bit of Claret. Sure, he will be looking for a London club..Chelski or even QPR..ha ha, if they stay up. We have to get someone with a bit of pedigree to restore pride to the Lions!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 04, 2012, 10:54:19 AM
He's telling Roman he's interested.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 11:05:14 AM
Yes yes..I want pride in the Lions again. I want a Lion King not a lyin barsteward.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 04, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
Capello might have been a vaguely realistic option had he been available in August 2010.  But I'm not sure a manager of that calibre would want to sign up for our austerity drive.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
The Yanks have money again. I have been trying to sell a flat in London, without much succes,s to the borassic brits who make embarrassingly low offers, if at all..suddenly it is septic after septic coming to view. I am not far from Olympic Village..a 20min walk along the canal and they appear interested but no firm offer so far.
Ergo Randy might have a few spare bucks flying around if his Bank of America interests/problems are sorted? Just thinking out loud really.
Capello? No, I do not think so either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
still chris hughton for me. has inherited shambles and turned them around, playing good football. We arent going to have much money to spend and he is a good fit for the club.

lambert and rodgers are both gettable this summer. lambert walked out on colchester after one week of the season to take the norwich job. rodgers is an ambitious sort too but his stint at reading was worrying. How might he get on with players that werent able to play with the ball to feet. I dont see the attraction to martinez. I dont see a manager working miracles keeping wigan in the league barely each year with the likes of norwich and swansea comfortably staying in the league.

there isnt a hope AVB would come near us.

for what we need based on British based candidates, Lambert and Hughton are the strongest candidates.


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2012, 12:12:59 PM
It'd be interesting if we got hughton and he was received well. Would put a few misconceptions right about fans' reactions to mcleish
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
Capello has to be one of the greatest club managers of recent times. Ignore what happened with England, his strength is in club management and if there was the slightest chance of getting him, and I think there is, we should be on the phone on Monday morning.

Financially, like the UK, we can't just cut costs forever and watch our revenue decline. Randy needs to invest to start recouping from the black hole he now finds himself in. Whilst season ticket money may not account for much, TV revenue and League position prize money certainly do. We've become so dull we need to see Aston Villa back on the map and Capello could most certainly help.

He's already said that money is not his priority, he can still live in London if he wants and he'd probably be willing to take a two year contract, something Italian coaches are used to rather than the 3 year expected by your British manager. I can't see him going to Chelsea and he must know the Villa well, it's been one of his most frequently visited grounds whilst England manager. I'm sure he can see our potential and would be interested in the job.

I for one would be delighted to see what he could do at Villa Park and with his knowledge of players, it wouldn't automaticvally mean he only wants the top stars. I'm sure he'd be more than capable of finding a few gems within our budget. If Randy is looking for a trusty pair of hands, he should look no further than Capello. It's a complete no brainer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 04, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
I for one would be delighted to see what he could do at Villa Park and with his knowledge of players, it wouldn't automaticvally mean he only wants the top stars. I'm sure he'd be more than capable of finding a few gems within our budget. If Randy is looking for a trusty pair of hands, he should look no further than Capello. It's a complete no brainer.
Not a chance in hell that Capello would come here with our financial situation.
He'd want a sizeable transfer budget which is something we can't/won't provide.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 04, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
I for one would be delighted to see what he could do at Villa Park and with his knowledge of players, it wouldn't automaticvally mean he only wants the top stars. I'm sure he'd be more than capable of finding a few gems within our budget. If Randy is looking for a trusty pair of hands, he should look no further than Capello. It's a complete no brainer.
Not a chance in hell that Capello would come here with our financial situation.
He'd want a sizeable transfer budget which is something we can't/won't provide.

Hence the comment about Randy needing to invest to resolve our financial problem.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 04, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 04, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
I for one would be delighted to see what he could do at Villa Park and with his knowledge of players, it wouldn't automaticvally mean he only wants the top stars. I'm sure he'd be more than capable of finding a few gems within our budget. If Randy is looking for a trusty pair of hands, he should look no further than Capello. It's a complete no brainer.
Not a chance in hell that Capello would come here with our financial situation.
He'd want a sizeable transfer budget which is something we can't/won't provide.

Hence the comment about Randy needing to invest to resolve our financial problem.
I don't think he can afford to though, or more likely doesn't want to due to waning interest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Axl Rose on May 04, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
Ranieri maybe? Van Basten? Klinsmann, despite his love of living in America and being the national coach there at the moment? Is this being overly optimistic?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
Whilst Capello, Van Basten etc would be great. I'd be happy with Martinez, Lambert or someone like that. Quite frankly provided it isn't Allardyce, Bruce, McCarthy or Pulis I'd be happy with anyone replacing this bloody idiot in charge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 04, 2012, 01:44:23 PM
I think Capello would be a disaster.  Just gut instinct.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 04, 2012, 01:44:23 PM
I think Capello would be a disaster.  Just gut instinct.

I share your misgivings.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 04, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 04, 2012, 01:44:23 PM
I think Capello would be a disaster.  Just gut instinct.

Depends entirely on the situation that he'd be working in.  I can't see that he'd want to join under the present circumstances at all though, so you needn't worry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 04, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:37:39 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 04, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
I for one would be delighted to see what he could do at Villa Park and with his knowledge of players, it wouldn't automaticvally mean he only wants the top stars. I'm sure he'd be more than capable of finding a few gems within our budget. If Randy is looking for a trusty pair of hands, he should look no further than Capello. It's a complete no brainer.
Not a chance in hell that Capello would come here with our financial situation.
He'd want a sizeable transfer budget which is something we can't/won't provide.

Hence the comment about Randy needing to invest to resolve our financial problem.
I don't think he can afford to though, or more likely doesn't want to due to waning interest.

I don't think Randy can afford not to invest. I'm still in the belief that wages rather than transfer fees it the main problem, especially if the player is young enough to sell-on at a later date. As for his interest in the club waning, I do think family matters have restricted his matchday visits to Villa Park but not his overall interest and overseeing the day to day operations. Maybe it would help if, like the Queen, we put a flag up over Villa Park when he's in residence, it may go some way to defy the myth that he's an absent owner.

Personally I'd prefer he ends the micro-management and concentrates on the big picture. He doesn't need to be at Villa Park every week, he just needs to make sure he's got the best team around him and the club are moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 04, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Capello is a great manager but not right for us. We need somebody who can instill a winning and professional culture throughout the playing side of the club. I just can't see Capello working with the likes of Collins and Hutton....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 04, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Capello is a great manager but not right for us. We need somebody who can instill a winning and professional culture throughout the playing side of the club. I just can't see Capello working with the likes of Collins and Hutton....

Neither can I, I don't think for a minute they'd be here come the new season, probably both off to West Ham.

As for somebody that "can instill a winning and professional culture throughout the playing side of the club", ol' Fabio has won the league at every single club he's ever managed and is well known to be a strong disciplinarian, he's extremely professional and wouldn't take any prisoners, which is another reson why Collins and Hutton wouldn't be here.

Not sure why he's not right for us, we've tried the tactically clueless managers, why not for the first time in over 14 years bring in somebody that actually understands the game?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
He's already said that money is not his priority, he can still live in London if he wants and he'd probably be willing to take a two year contract, something Italian coaches are used to rather than the 3 year expected by your British manager. I can't see him going to Chelsea and he must know the Villa well, it's been one of his most frequently visited grounds whilst England manager. I'm sure he can see our potential and would be interested in the job.

Why can't you see him going to Chelsea? They have better players, a hell of a lot more money, and are well equipped to have a bash at the Champions League - they're in the final of it in a few weeks.

It'd be amazing to get Capello, but Chelsea is where he's headed. If he stays in England of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
He's already said that money is not his priority, he can still live in London if he wants and he'd probably be willing to take a two year contract, something Italian coaches are used to rather than the 3 year expected by your British manager. I can't see him going to Chelsea and he must know the Villa well, it's been one of his most frequently visited grounds whilst England manager. I'm sure he can see our potential and would be interested in the job.

Why can't you see him going to Chelsea? They have better players, a hell of a lot more money, and are well equipped to have a bash at the Champions League - they're in the final of it in a few weeks.

It'd be amazing to get Capello, but Chelsea is where he's headed. If he stays in England of course.

Capello's star is on the wane a little following his England tenure, so I can't see Roman going for him when he can virtually pick and choose from the best managers in the world.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 04, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 04, 2012, 01:44:23 PM
I think Capello would be a disaster.  Just gut instinct.

Depends entirely on the situation that he'd be working in.  I can't see that he'd want to join under the present circumstances at all though, so you needn't worry.

Yep, there's no chance of Capello coming here - you'd have to living in a dream world to believe that he'd come to us, with our squad, with a sell to buy policy in place, and want to turn it round. He's 65, he had those sort of roles 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
He's already said that money is not his priority, he can still live in London if he wants and he'd probably be willing to take a two year contract, something Italian coaches are used to rather than the 3 year expected by your British manager. I can't see him going to Chelsea and he must know the Villa well, it's been one of his most frequently visited grounds whilst England manager. I'm sure he can see our potential and would be interested in the job.

Why can't you see him going to Chelsea? They have better players, a hell of a lot more money, and are well equipped to have a bash at the Champions League - they're in the final of it in a few weeks.

It'd be amazing to get Capello, but Chelsea is where he's headed. If he stays in England of course.

Capello's star is on the wane a little following his England tenure, so I can't see Roman going for him when he can virtually pick and choose from the best managers in the world.

Ok, but that still doesn't mean he's coming here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 04, 2012, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 02:06:07 PM

Not sure why he's not right for us, we've tried the tactically clueless managers, why not for the first time in over 14 years bring in somebody that actually understands the game?

Make no mistake we would be a massive challenge and a 60+ year old manager won't imo have the drive and commitment to see it through. It is dare I say a good 5 year project.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 12:15:05 PM
He's already said that money is not his priority, he can still live in London if he wants and he'd probably be willing to take a two year contract, something Italian coaches are used to rather than the 3 year expected by your British manager. I can't see him going to Chelsea and he must know the Villa well, it's been one of his most frequently visited grounds whilst England manager. I'm sure he can see our potential and would be interested in the job.

Why can't you see him going to Chelsea? They have better players, a hell of a lot more money, and are well equipped to have a bash at the Champions League - they're in the final of it in a few weeks.

It'd be amazing to get Capello, but Chelsea is where he's headed. If he stays in England of course.

Capello's star is on the wane a little following his England tenure, so I can't see Roman going for him when he can virtually pick and choose from the best managers in the world.

Ok, but that still doesn't mean he's coming here.

I don't think he is either, but Chelsea in also a non-starter, IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: martin on May 04, 2012, 02:42:51 PM
If you discount the "wouldn't want to happens" and the "ain't gonna happens"you are left with a pretty narrow field.

Basically, the bloke from Southampton and yet another Blose manager.

 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 02:40:19 PM
Chelsea in also a non-starter, IMO.

My thoughts, too. Now who else is there in the PL that will be looking for a manager this summer? Racist FC should be but will probably stick with KKK for another season. The Baggies? Do me a favour. Redknapp is staying at Spuds, Moyes likewise at Everton, Barcodes happy..

Basically, Capello says he'll either take a job in the PL or he'll retire and take a media job. Why not Aston Villa?

I'd be interested to hear from Risso and any other bean counter regarding the clubs finances. Does it make sense for Randy to invest as part of our financial recovery (given the right football management team, obviously)?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 04, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
I'm only guessing but Lerner must have a criteria for next appointment, IF he sacks Eck i.e.

finish top 10/avoid relegation
good spotter of talent/buys cheap shite
cheap to hire/local therefore avoids relocation costs


etc.

that narrows it down to er Hughton.


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Broughty-Villian on May 04, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
I'm only guessing but Lerner must have a criteria for next appointment, IF he sacks Eck i.e.

finish top 10/avoid relegation
good spotter of talent/buys cheap shite
cheap to hire/local therefore avoids relocation costs


etc.

that narrows it down to er Hughton.




I'd think Rodgers and Houghton also meet that criteria, just with the added cost of compensation to their clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 02:40:19 PM
Chelsea in also a non-starter, IMO.

My thoughts, too. Now who else is there in the PL that will be looking for a manager this summer? Racist FC should be but will probably stick with KKK for another season. The Baggies? Do me a favour. Redknapp is staying at Spuds, Moyes likewise at Everton, Barcodes happy..

Fair points, maybe there aren't too many Prem jobs open in the summer, but reading what Capello said re London I believe he's throwing his hat into the ring for the Chelsea job. I can't see him wanting any other job on offer.

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Basically, Capello says he'll either take a job in the PL or he'll retire and take a media job. Why not Aston Villa?

Why would he want to spend his footballing dotage here? There's a lot of issues he'd have to tackle, on little money as we keep being told, and I doubt that this is the sort of challenge he's after.

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I'd be interested to hear from Risso and any other bean counter regarding the clubs finances. Does it make sense for Randy to invest as part of our financial recovery (given the right football management team, obviously)?

I'd like to hear the answer to this as well!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 04, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Broughty-Villian on May 04, 2012, 03:07:36 PM
I'm only guessing but Lerner must have a criteria for next appointment, IF he sacks Eck i.e.

finish top 10/avoid relegation
good spotter of talent/buys cheap shite
cheap to hire/local therefore avoids relocation costs


etc.

that narrows it down to er Hughton.




I'd think Rodgers and Houghton also meet that criteria, just with the added cost of compensation to their clubs.

Oooh Rogers and Hammerstein, marvellous.

Ooops, sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 04, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
I think back to this time last year when we entertained thoughts of Benitez becoming our new manager, and remember who we actually ended up with. I doubt we'd even make a tentative approach to Capello, let alone progress discussions with him after that.

Technically, there is a vacancy at Chelsea, and I'm sure that's who Capello is referring to. He's too respectful to actually name the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 04, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
I think back to this time last year when we entertained thoughts of Benitez becoming our new manager, and remember who we actually ended up with. I doubt we'd even make a tentative approach to Capello, let alone progress discussions with him after that.

Technically, there is a vacancy at Chelsea, and I'm sure that's who Capello is referring to. He's too respectful to actually name the club.

Yep, that's what I was thinking too. We all thought Benitez would be the man, but then we found out that we had no money. If we couldn't find money last year for Benitez, then I can't see how anything has changed this year in regards to Capello.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Capello is a very competent manager, but I don't think Lerner/the board wants to work with such a strong personality. And I don't think he would have put up with the kind of treatment McLeish has been given for very long.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 04, 2012, 03:44:08 PM
Capello is too expensive. It wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 04, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
I think back to this time last year when we entertained thoughts of Benitez becoming our new manager, and remember who we actually ended up with. I doubt we'd even make a tentative approach to Capello, let alone progress discussions with him after that.

Apparently Benitez wanted a lot of transfer cash.  Cash we did not have.  It was rumoured at the time that he was telling the press that he wanted the Villa job because he wanted a long term project, whereas from what I have read here, what he actually wanted was to buy “success”.

With regards to the likes of Capello, Benitez and sat AVB, it would be nice to think that one of these star mangers genuinely would like the challenge of building a club up with limited resources.  It’s a sad reflection on them - and football - that this is only possible when money is thrown at the problem.

Surely, if they explained that this was a long term project and money would not be available for transfers etc, then their reputations would actually be enhanced by any improvements from the club. 

Furthermore, as demonstrated by MON and AMc’s salaries, on an individual level they’re likely to highly rewarded financially too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Capello is a very competent manager, but I don't think Lerner/the board wants to work with such a strong personality. And I don't think he would have put up with the kind of treatment McLeish has been given for very long.

Based on the current set-up, the club needs a big personality manager as there is pretty much zero other footballing nous within the club.

I fear that our next appointment might be a continental style “coach” rather than a club manager and the vacuum could get even bigger.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2012, 03:52:02 PM
I'm not sure that Capello is the type of Yes man the board want, even if he would be interested and we could afford him. Its perhaps a bit 'Toon Army' to think he'd be in the frame.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 04, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
Lambert fits the bill for me- hes come through the divisions, good motivator, bought well and plays attractive football- id be happy to see him here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
I'm stunned there is even a conversation about Capello on here. 65 year old highly successful club football managers don't roll into rebuilding projects. They take gigs like Hiddink does - loads of money short term international projects or finishing jobs at top clubs, for loads of money aiming to win things now. Capello ain't coming to Villa Park to oversee the implemenation of austerity measures, and rebuild our dented image.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 04, 2012, 04:35:57 PM
No way in a million years would capello come to villa with the way the club is at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 04, 2012, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Capello is a very competent manager, but I don't think Lerner/the board wants to work with such a strong personality. And I don't think he would have put up with the kind of treatment McLeish has been given for very long.

Let's imagine Randy wants to stop hemorrhaging money and actually start making some back. What better way than bringing in somebody that knows the game inside out. Even on a two year contract, we could still after offer him a position upstairs on the board. Salary won't be an issue (according to Capello) so we need to make sure the project is interesting enough.

Randy and Capello can spend their spare time discussing art. A marriage made in heaven (providing Randy is prepared to realistically back his man and his man is prepared to be realistic).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 04, 2012, 04:33:07 PM
I'm stunned there is even a conversation about Capello on here. 65 year old highly successful club football managers don't roll into rebuilding projects. They take gigs like Hiddink does - loads of money short term international projects or finishing jobs at top clubs, for loads of money aiming to win things now. Capello ain't coming to Villa Park to oversee the implemenation of austerity measures, and rebuild our dented image.

This is exactly my point, you have just put it better than me.

If money were no object, etc, I'd prefer Louis Van Gaal anyway. Ah, there's nothing wrong with dreaming.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
How about Capello in a DOF role with someone like Martinez as manager/coach?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 04, 2012, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 04, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
Lambert fits the bill for me- hes come through the divisions, good motivator, bought well and plays attractive football- id be happy to see him here.
Ditto,can see him wanting the job as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
Van Gall is a good shout, and he’s out of work too.

As i tried to explain earlier.  We need to hope that one of these managers is prepared to put his reputation on the line.  Whilst it may belittle us a bit, I’d be happy for a top manager to essentially say we’re currently shit but I want to build a club from the bottom up, using my X years of coaching experience rather than the chairman’s chequebook.

The reality is that Van Gaal, AVB and Capello are not going to come based on the normal motivations however that should not mean the club should not ask.  In fact, I’d be furious if available top managers were not asked just because they are perceived to be too big for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 04, 2012, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 04, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
I think back to this time last year when we entertained thoughts of Benitez becoming our new manager, and remember who we actually ended up with. I doubt we'd even make a tentative approach to Capello, let alone progress discussions with him after that.

Apparently Benitez wanted a lot of transfer cash.  Cash we did not have.  It was rumoured at the time that he was telling the press that he wanted the Villa job because he wanted a long term project, whereas from what I have read here, what he actually wanted was to buy “success”.

With regards to the likes of Capello, Benitez and sat AVB, it would be nice to think that one of these star mangers genuinely would like the challenge of building a club up with limited resources.  It’s a sad reflection on them - and football - that this is only possible when money is thrown at the problem.

Surely, if they explained that this was a long term project and money would not be available for transfers etc, then their reputations would actually be enhanced by any improvements from the club. 

Furthermore, as demonstrated by MON and AMc’s salaries, on an individual level they’re likely to highly rewarded financially too.

Hmmm. You think Capello would have lower expectations than Benitez? Much as we'd like to think a five-year project to overhaul Villa might appeal to someone like Capello, I don't see why it would at all.

We'll find out within a few months, I guess.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 05:00:59 PM
Just reading an article on Lambert...

Motherwell refused to offer him a new contract expecting him to return the following pre-season with reduced wage demands.  He didn’t, instead he had an unsuccessful trial at PSV and ultimately signed for Dortmund, winning the champions league the following May (with arguably a MOM performance).

Guess who the manager of Motherwell was who refused to offer him a contract?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 04, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
Ha! Really? Good call, AM. Lambert had the best spell of his career at Dortmund.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
"Lambert was receiving an education, lessons from which he still draws on today as Norwich City manager. Any illuminating comment from Sammer, Möller, Kohler or Karl-Heinz Riedle was noted by Lambert. “I wrote everything down. I knew I was going to learn and I kept the book. I absorbed everything.”

...and based on this week’s antics:

"Strong on discipline among his Norwich players, Lambert has eyes and ears all around the city. “I am told everything here. If anybody is out, I find out. I have had letters from people telling me things. I would not be having a young player going out drinking. It’s an impossibility, even more so now with the media attention so severe. They are role models now. They can’t get caught up to things.”
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 05:15:10 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
Van Gall is a good shout, and he’s out of work too.

As i tried to explain earlier.  We need to hope that one of these managers is prepared to put his reputation on the line.  Whilst it may belittle us a bit, I’d be happy for a top manager to essentially say we’re currently shit but I want to build a club from the bottom up, using my X years of coaching experience rather than the chairman’s chequebook.

The reality is that Van Gaal, AVB and Capello are not going to come based on the normal motivations however that should not mean the club should not ask.  In fact, I’d be furious if available top managers were not asked just because they are perceived to be too big for us.

Well Paul Faulkner said that the club wanted to have an 'Ajax style' method of bring through players from the academy didn't he? Who better to implement it at first team level than Van Gaal? It would be awesome, but I just can't see it sadly, not when I think about it rationally. Its the same situation as with Capello.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
How about Capello in a DOF role with someone like Martinez as manager/coach?

John, I do love your optimism
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 04, 2012, 05:39:44 PM
I'd prefer Lambert to Rodgers to be honest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2012, 06:03:38 PM
I think Lambert would be the best fit for us as a club, although Martinez intrigues me more, Lambert could be our Moyes. I certainly would be delighted to get either. I don't want someone at the other end now, I want someone early 40's that can build for the next 5-10 years, not 3.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 04, 2012, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Capello is a very competent manager, but I don't think Lerner/the board wants to work with such a strong personality. And I don't think he would have put up with the kind of treatment McLeish has been given for very long.

Let's imagine Randy wants to stop hemorrhaging money and actually start making some back. What better way than bringing in somebody that knows the game inside out. Even on a two year contract, we could still after offer him a position upstairs on the board. Salary won't be an issue (according to Capello) so we need to make sure the project is interesting enough.

Randy and Capello can spend their spare time discussing art. A marriage made in heaven (providing Randy is prepared to realistically back his man and his man is prepared to be realistic).

Don't disagree with your thinking, but it would mean that Randy have to become serious again. One example: reportedly, Lerner and McLeish didn't discuss the January transfer window before deep into December, presumably because Lerner wasn't available. Capello wouldn't have accepted such treatment.

FWIW, I don't understand those who don't want successful managers like Capello (or Benitez for that matter) because they have too big egos. A big club like Villa should be able to handle a manager with a big ego. If it's a requirement that the manager should be overwhelmed when named Villa manager, we'll be forever searching in the lower tiers.

I suspect that the sticking point isn't the size of the transfer budget, but how serious the owner is about creating an interesting project.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2012, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
I'd think Rodgers and Houghton also meet that criteria, just with the added cost of compensation to their clubs.

For the millionth time, his name is Hughton

Unless you're talking about getting Ray off his RTE sofa or Eric back from the grave.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2012, 06:34:05 PM
The only way we are going to land a big fish to replace McLeish is Randy truly wants to have a proper dig at this again. If he says to himself, "fuck it let's give it a go", much like he did when he first came here then all bets are off and aside from the truly elite names, almost anyone is possible. Thing is, I don't think we'll be in a position to do that again for a good while. I get the impression Randy was bitten by MON, and he'll be reluctant to go down that road again any time soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 04, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 04, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 04, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
How about Capello in a DOF role with someone like Martinez as manager/coach?

John, I do love your optimism

I've tried to cure it, and this season has provided plenty of source material to that effect, but I just can't help it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 04, 2012, 06:34:05 PM
The only way we are going to land a big fish to replace McLeish is Randy truly wants to have a proper dig at this again. If he says to himself, "fuck it let's give it a go", much like he did when he first came here then all bets are off and aside from the truly elite names, almost anyone is possible. Thing is, I don't think we'll be in a position to do that again for a good while. I get the impression Randy was bitten by MON, and he'll be reluctant to go down that road again any time soon.

Well that and the FFP rules kick in soon. We'll get punished for haemorrhaging money like we have been over the last few years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2012, 07:08:11 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 06:44:07 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 04, 2012, 06:34:05 PM
The only way we are going to land a big fish to replace McLeish is Randy truly wants to have a proper dig at this again. If he says to himself, "fuck it let's give it a go", much like he did when he first came here then all bets are off and aside from the truly elite names, almost anyone is possible. Thing is, I don't think we'll be in a position to do that again for a good while. I get the impression Randy was bitten by MON, and he'll be reluctant to go down that road again any time soon.

Well that and the FFP rules kick in soon. We'll get punished for haemorrhaging money like we have been over the last few years.

the only thing about the FFP rules is that it is tied to revenue. Not money just spunked in by a wealthy owner. Mind you as Man City have shown there are ways around that too. As it relates to us, if you landed a bigger name manager, that drives optimism, which in itself generates revenue. One would hope we'll be winning again, and importantly, we'll be interesting again. Media and business gravitate towards things that encourage people to pay attention.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dan England on May 04, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
I'd love Lambert. He tick's all the boxes for me:-

1)Proven winner

2)Plays football the right way

3)Can win on a budget

4)Would see Villa as an opportunity, a step up,  not just a pay check.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 09:26:19 PM
I’m not sure Lambert’s football is the right way personally.  A bit too direct for my liking.

The tactics of Rodgers v Lambert are discussed here by Michael “goals are over-rated” Cox:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
Point of order, I believe that 'goals are overrated' is a saying of Jonathan Wilson rather than Michael Cox.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
I think the Ginger one will still be in charge at the start of next season, if only for a short while.Lambert has a good season,fair play,but has he got the pedigree to take Villa back up to the level we should be at?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
Point of order, I believe that 'goals are overrated' is a saying of Jonathan Wilson rather than Michael Cox.

Ouch.  I think you’re right there.  I apologies.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 04, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
I think the Ginger one will still be in charge at the start of next season, if only for a short while.Lambert has a good season,fair play,but has he got the pedigree to take Villa back up to the level we should be at?

If he wasn't aware of fans' feelings by now, RL will have a rather nasty shock when he sees ST sales for next season if McLeish is still here. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2012, 09:58:52 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
I think the Ginger one will still be in charge at the start of next season, if only for a short while.

I sincerely hope not.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
So do i in an ideal world. We will have to see what happens on that one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
So do i in an ideal world. We will have to see what happens on that one.

Finally! A space after a punctuation mark...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Perry Barr Pet on May 04, 2012, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
So do i in an ideal world. We will have to see what happens on that one.

Finally! A space after a punctuation mark...

There should be two spaces after a full stop.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
No, just one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Perry Barr Pet on May 04, 2012, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
No, just one.

No, two.  I was trained proper like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: Perry Barr Pet on May 04, 2012, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
No, just one.

No, two.  I was trained proper like.

2 on a typewriter, 1 on a computer!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Perry Barr Pet on May 04, 2012, 10:37:53 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:35:27 PM
No, just one.

No, two.  I was trained proper like.
Two of you taking the piss!  (two fu..in spaces) is that better chaps?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
No-one is taking the proverbial.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2012, 10:46:39 PM
Dull.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:50:42 PM
Joking Legion. It's an education in itself getting used to this forum with all you oldie posters! Great fun as well as educational.Superb fun and fantastic to be back in touch with Villa fans after leaving the UK.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 04, 2012, 10:57:58 PM
Who actually thinks Lerner will sack Eck?

Not me.

The excuse will be "you have to give managers time"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 04, 2012, 11:10:10 PM
He'll leave by "mutual consent" at the end of the season. I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: phantom limb on May 04, 2012, 11:13:10 PM
If he doesn't leave then I'll hunt him down like a dog. He's going one way or the other.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 04, 2012, 11:10:10 PM
He'll leave by "mutual consent" at the end of the season. I'm sure of it.
And 4 million better of than when he arrived? He will be with us at the start of the next campaign, unless we go down!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 04, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
McLeish's body language lately has been of a broken man who knows the writing is on the wall. He's already basically been told he has until the end of the season and presumably no more. If he's not sacked before the end of the 14th May, I'll be stunned - it would be financial suicide.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 05, 2012, 12:25:56 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 04, 2012, 11:10:10 PM
He'll leave by "mutual consent" at the end of the season. I'm sure of it.
And 4 million better of than when he arrived? He will be with us at the start of the next campaign, unless we go down!

Whatever he walks away with, he will be walking away.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 05, 2012, 12:34:10 AM
Quote from: Broughty-Villian on May 04, 2012, 10:57:58 PM
Who actually thinks Lerner will sack Eck?

Not me.

The excuse will be "you have to give managers time"

Wouldn't surprise me.  I'm sure Lerner and Faulkner are furiously studying the book of excuses, so that they can use every last one to justify keeping him on at the club.  Expect plenty of, "The existing financial problems when he took over meant he has not been able to bring in his own players", "injuries to senior players at key times in the season", "he's had to work under immense pressure because fans don't like that he came from Birmingham" etc etc.  Topped off with "against such adversity he has done well to ensure the Premiership status of the club this season".

Then in the summer we see the arrival of "gems" like James McFadden and Barry Ferguson!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2012, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
I think the Ginger one will still be in charge at the start of next season, if only for a short while.

I don't. Look how difficult it was to replace that egotistical scumbag when he walked out on us 5 days berfore the season started. The same applies to replacing a manager midseason. You'd expect Randy won't get bitten twice and will choose the summer when there are plenty of managers to choose from.

No club should start a new season without hope. For that and all the financial, not to mention the footballing reasons, I still believe McLeish will be gone at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2012, 02:40:04 PM
Great performance by Norwich today. Stick me in the Lambert camp. His team went for it, and could very easily have won this. Lovely, lovely football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 05, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
Me too, Paul Lambert just quietly going about his business building a team to play good football
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 05, 2012, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2012, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:34:13 PM
I think the Ginger one will still be in charge at the start of next season, if only for a short while.

I don't. Look how difficult it was to replace that egotistical scumbag when he walked out on us 5 days berfore the season started. The same applies to replacing a manager midseason. You'd expect Randy won't get bitten twice and will choose the summer when there are plenty of managers to choose from.

No club should start a new season without hope. For that and all the financial, not to mention the footballing reasons, I still believe McLeish will be gone at the end of the season.
I hope you are right on that one.An announcement after the Norwich game would be music to everybody's ears. We will see.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
Lambert was my second choice behind Rodgers. Really having second thoughts now. Lambert clearly is very smart tactically and isn't afraid to have a go at the top sides. Lambert reminds me a lot of O'Neill but I think he is a lot better and has more strings to his bow than O'Neill.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 05, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Yup, he's a thinking man's MON.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
Yep, go get him Randy and make up for your horrendous balls up of this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Assuming that the current manager is going to be out of the door after we've played Norwich, and assuming that we aren't relegated, there is something that Randy Lerner must surely do.

Above all else, I would expect to Mr Lerner to at least attempt to get David Moyes as the next Villa manager.

Mr Moyes is a proven Premier League manager with record of running a team on a very limited budget for a long time now. Is it possible that Moyes has had enough of having no money to work with after ten years at Everton?

The cost of relegation from the Premier League would probably be at least £40M. The cost of paying off the current manager, plus four years wages for Moyes (assuming the thought of substantially increasing his current wage appealed to him), plus the cost of compensation to Everton would be substantially less than the cost of relegation.

With various high earners probably leaving the club in the summer (Heskey, Cuellar) there's the probability that Mr Lerner would be willing to bankroll, to a small extent, some spending in the transfer market - a possible further inducement for Moyes to come to B6.

With all this in mind, do you think Moyes would be a sensible appointment?

This club needs to regain its pride. It is a founder member of the football league, but when the masses dismiss us as a small club it really hurts.

I honestly think that David Moyes, together with a sensible budget, could help Aston Villa regain at least a bit of its pride.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?
Well you locked a thread I started, did you not?

I posted on a whim, and while I might have realised there was a thread covering the broad subject, I hadn't realised for certain that there was. I tend to inhabit Off Topic these days, hence my accidental post in that section initially.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:15:01 PM
This thread is currently up to 88 pages and is entitled 'Who do you want as the next manager?' How hard can it be to spot?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 05, 2012, 10:16:37 PM
I just couldn't see Moyes coming here at the moment.  He has Everton playing well (as he does in the second half of every season) and there isn't really any reason he would swap a club financially restricted for one in a similar situation yet further down the league.  He would be a good appointment if we could get him, I just don't think we could as things stand.  I'd definitely look at Paul Lambert though, just depends if he thinks he can keep Norwich on an upwards curve/wants more money.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:26:20 PM
Like I said, I don't often come in to main discussion. The threads in here have appeared to be static (in terms of subjects, not in post numbers) for a while now, other than the "Brawl at Gatecrasher" or whatever its called thread. Therefore I don't always think about what they are about.

I posted my thoughts on a whim, and initially they appeared by accident in Off Topic. You know this yourself as you responded to the Off Topic version while I was editing to say I'd put it in the wrong place.

I then copy and pasted my thoughts into a thread in main discussion, only afterwards thinking that that may have been the wrong thing to do.

You subsequently, as is the duty of an admin, locked the thread.

I then pointed out that I wasn't going to get my own thread on the subject when I re-pasted my opinion in the correct place.

I ain't claiming to be original. Just not deserving of my own thread on a subject that, unobserved to me, has been done to death already.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 05, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Heard Tommy Docherty interviewed the other day regarding Alex Ferguson's replacement.He said that he thinks Fergie will have a big say in chosing his replacement and that he would go for Moyes. Whether the Doc is guessing or whether he knows something remains to be seen but i think our chances of getting Moyes are nil.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 05, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
About the same chances as Moyes being Man Utd manager then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 05, 2012, 10:59:32 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 05, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Heard Tommy Docherty interviewed the other day regarding Alex Ferguson's replacement.He said that he thinks Fergie will have a big say in chosing his replacement and that he would go for Moyes. Whether the Doc is guessing or whether he knows something remains to be seen but i think our chances of getting Moyes are nil.


good, i dont want Moyes anyway
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 05, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Why in McGraths name would Moyes come to the Villa in our current position?

It wouldn't make sense.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 05, 2012, 11:09:05 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 05, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Why in McGraths name would Moyes come to the Villa in our current position?

It wouldn't make sense.




you can see why the current board might like him though.

he is Scottish,
 he is ginger,
  he plays unatractive football,
 he's won nothing in 10 years at Everton, oh sorry thats where the comparison with AM ends
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
Oh look, the moon is too far away through thousands of miles of space. All that radiation would surely kill the astronauts. And how would we get them up there in the first place?

If the Americans had taken that attitude mankind would never have reached the moon.

Do we now think so little of ourselves that we cannot at least try to get the right man?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 05, 2012, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?

Dave gets very tetchy if you mention the resistance to free speech on HandV.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 05, 2012, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?

Dave gets very tetchy if you mention the resistance to free speech on HandV.

Which doesn't exist, but you've made your clever little point so well done.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 06, 2012, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 05, 2012, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?

Dave gets very tetchy if you mention the resistance to free speech on HandV.

Which doesn't exists, but you've made your clever little point so well done.

Told ya.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 06, 2012, 01:01:02 AM
Behave will you. This is one of the most relaxed sites you could wish to post on.
A bit of housekeeping is necessary from time to time. Otherwise it would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 06, 2012, 01:24:44 AM
Try posting on VillaTalk if you thing it's bad here. You wouldn't last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 06, 2012, 01:36:39 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 06, 2012, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 12:02:01 AM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 05, 2012, 11:48:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 05, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Seeing as I'm not permitted to post a new thread on my opinions:

Could you not come up with something a bit more original?

Dave gets very tetchy if you mention the resistance to free speech on HandV.

Which doesn't exists, but you've made your clever little point so well done.

Told ya.
Would you care to offer any examples of when your free speech has been curtailed in the four or so weeks that you've been registered as a member on this site?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 06, 2012, 06:59:41 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Yup, he's a thinking man's MON.

Agreed, minus the pomp and circumstance and with added humility.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rutski on May 06, 2012, 07:06:53 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 05, 2012, 02:40:04 PM
Great performance by Norwich today. Stick me in the Lambert camp. His team went for it, and could very easily have won this. Lovely, lovely football.
i am at camp lambert also!
i also agree that mcleish is a dead man walking. i think the man has been informed and i think all the excuses will come out. we have seen the last couple of weeks that the relationship between aston villa and alex mcleish has broken down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pelty on May 06, 2012, 07:12:55 AM
Moyes would not come if AM were fired. He has been approached MANY times and has refused each approach. I suppose things might change, but no reason to think they would...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 07:27:06 AM
Quote from: pelty on May 06, 2012, 07:12:55 AM
Moyes would not come if AM were fired. He has been approached MANY times and has refused each approach. I suppose things might change, but no reason to think they would...


He has just got himself a forward too, I think he might believe Everton can go well next season from the start.

Who would you go for Pelty?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Above all else, I would expect to Mr Lerner to at least attempt to get David Moyes as the next Villa manager.

Mr Moyes is a proven Premier League manager with record of running a team on a very limited budget for a long time now. Is it possible that Moyes has had enough of having no money to work with after ten years at Everton?

The cost of relegation from the Premier League would probably be at least £40M. The cost of paying off the current manager, plus four years wages for Moyes (assuming the thought of substantially increasing his current wage appealed to him), plus the cost of compensation to Everton would be substantially less than the cost of relegation.

With various high earners probably leaving the club in the summer (Heskey, Cuellar) there's the probability that Mr Lerner would be willing to bankroll, to a small extent, some spending in the transfer market - a possible further inducement for Moyes to come to B6.

With all this in mind, do you think Moyes would be a sensible appointment?

This club needs to regain its pride. It is a founder member of the football league, but when the masses dismiss us as a small club it really hurts.

I honestly think that David Moyes, together with a sensible budget, could help Aston Villa regain at least a bit of its pride.
Highlighted the bit where the case for Moyes fails...why leave a club with limited budget to move to another club with limited budget...it would be a sideways step, if not a backward step given our current plight on and off the pitch.

Dont expect Randy to be splashing big any time soon either...most of any transfer budget will now be allocated to management (still fingers crossed that AM is shown the door).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 06, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 06, 2012, 08:51:33 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 05, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Above all else, I would expect to Mr Lerner to at least attempt to get David Moyes as the next Villa manager.

Mr Moyes is a proven Premier League manager with record of running a team on a very limited budget for a long time now. Is it possible that Moyes has had enough of having no money to work with after ten years at Everton?

The cost of relegation from the Premier League would probably be at least £40M. The cost of paying off the current manager, plus four years wages for Moyes (assuming the thought of substantially increasing his current wage appealed to him), plus the cost of compensation to Everton would be substantially less than the cost of relegation.

With various high earners probably leaving the club in the summer (Heskey, Cuellar) there's the probability that Mr Lerner would be willing to bankroll, to a small extent, some spending in the transfer market - a possible further inducement for Moyes to come to B6.

With all this in mind, do you think Moyes would be a sensible appointment?

This club needs to regain its pride. It is a founder member of the football league, but when the masses dismiss us as a small club it really hurts.

I honestly think that David Moyes, together with a sensible budget, could help Aston Villa regain at least a bit of its pride.
Highlighted the bit where the case for Moyes fails...why leave a club with limited budget to move to another club with limited budget...it would be a sideways step, if not a backward step given our current plight on and off the pitch.

Dont expect Randy to be splashing big any time soon either...most of any transfer budget will now be allocated to management (still fingers crossed that AM is shown the door).
The 4th paragraph counters that KRS, although I admit it is speculative at best. I just have hope seeing as Mr Lerner sold us the Bright Future thing.

Still, its all about opinions.

Edit, And Pelty had pointed out that Moyes has been approached many times. So this does make it less likely to happen, perhaps.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 09:26:58 AM
That we've approached Moyes 'many times' suggests to me that we're not so naive as I thought when going for a manager.  Puzzling though, all that due process and interviews and doing things the right way?  What was that all about if we have been approaching other club's managers at the same time?  Unless of course we went to Everton and they said no, but why would we keep going back?

Anyway, I called this thread completely wrong.  89 pages later and still no merge :) 

I'd still say Rodgers would be the only realistically gettable candidate unless we have an injection of proper funds. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on May 06, 2012, 09:32:34 AM
Would love Moyes, think he'd be swapping like for like by joining us, but what a lift it would be if indeed he walked into B6. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 05, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Yup, he's a thinking man's MON.

MON could have been a great manager if he had used his brains (which he admittedly has) to study the game and the art of coaching to add to his bag of tricks, instead of stubbornly sticking to his set ways. If Lambert is going to be what MON could have been, then that is probably as good a manager that we can hope for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 09:43:37 AM
I think the range of managers people would be happy to accept will be gigantic compared to this time last year, having had a year of McLeish's brand of "football".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 09:43:37 AM
I think the range of managers people would be happy to accept will be gigantic compared to this time last year, having had a year of McLeish's brand of "football".

It is a very, very important point. The next manager has the perfect scenario to walk into.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 06, 2012, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 06, 2012, 09:32:34 AM
Would love Moyes, think he'd be swapping like for like by joining us, but what a lift it would be if indeed he walked into B6.
When Houlier was going many asked for a ginger scotsman, Randy got us a ginger scotsman.  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:35:26 AM
Moyes has spent a decade 'making do' with limited resources. I doubt if he could see the point of moving to a similar club to start the same process again. He would want a fat pay rise and a monster transfer kitty. That's why we'll never get him,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: caster troy on May 06, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
We need someone who can restore pride at the club via performances on the pitch. I'm not saying we have to immediately start playing like Barcelona, but it would be nice to have a manager who isn't afraid to stand up to the top clubs and 'have a go' especially at Villa Park.

As we don't have big money to spend I think we need someone who can uncover gems abroad and use loans effectively, while bringing through youngsters on merit from the reserves. Our academy talent tends to produce technically sound players who get the ball down and play passing football, so we could do with a manager that fits that model.

Having read that back to myself Martinez looks a good shout. I just pray we do end up with a new manager because another McLeish season doesn;t bear thinking about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ez on May 06, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Peter Withe wants the job
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/05/06/peter-withe-give-me-the-aston-villa-job-and-i-will-sort-the-club-out-66331-30908908/
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2012, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: ez on May 06, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Peter Withe wants the job
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/05/06/peter-withe-give-me-the-aston-villa-job-and-i-will-sort-the-club-out-66331-30908908/
Based on his management expeirnece and performance? - no thanks, Withey, but be an club ambassador, talent-scout and all-round good egg, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 06, 2012, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: ez on May 06, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Peter Withe wants the job
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/05/06/peter-withe-give-me-the-aston-villa-job-and-i-will-sort-the-club-out-66331-30908908/
Based on his management expeirnece and performance? - no thanks, Withey, but be an club ambassador, talent-scout and all-round good egg, please.


Yeah he could have a role at the club, but manager? no thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 06, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
No chance of moyes coming here!
Lambert i think is gettable and would be tempted by the job i believe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 06, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
Of who would be available or come here then I'd like Lambert. He's done a great job at Norwich and actually seems to play football...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 06, 2012, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 06, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
No chance of moyes coming here!
Lambert i think is gettable and would be tempted by the job i believe.

Lambert’s statement about the speculation certainly left hope that he would be interested if/when there is a vacancy.
Looking at his past he is very ambitious and arguably his loyalty could be questioned (Burnley approach excepted) so it would not be a shock if he wanted to move.  I think this Norwich job is the longest he has been at one club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
After today, I'd probably settle for A. N. Other.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 06, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
If chelsea don't keep RDM on then i like Villa to go for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 06, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
We cud be looking at Bruce or Mcarthay. Better managers than current but not inspiring.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 06, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
We cud be looking at Bruce or Mcarthay. Better managers than current but not inspiring.

Bruce or McCarthy? For fan reaction, see McLeish, Alex.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 06, 2012, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 06, 2012, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 06, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
No chance of moyes coming here!
Lambert i think is gettable and would be tempted by the job i believe.

Lambert’s statement about the speculation certainly left hope that he would be interested if/when there is a vacancy.
Looking at his past he is very ambitious and arguably his loyalty could be questioned (Burnley approach excepted) so it would not be a shock if he wanted to move.  I think this Norwich job is the longest he has been at one club.

I saw a bit of Goals on Sunday earlier, Lambert was on, I had this vision of him being our manager next season - don't know why but I reckon he'll be coming.....pssst pass it on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 06, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
We cud be looking at Bruce or Mcarthay. Better managers than current but not inspiring.

Bruce or McCarthy? For fan reaction, see McLeish, Alex.

Those two are on a very short list who I wouldn't want near the Villa job, along with Allardyce and Pulis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 06, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on May 06, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
We cud be looking at Bruce or Mcarthay. Better managers than current but not inspiring.

Bruce or McCarthy? For fan reaction, see McLeish, Alex.

Those two are on a very short list who I wouldn't want near the Villa job, along with Allardyce and Pulis.

We're Aston Villa. We ought to be shopping at Waitrose, not Poundland.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
You can see the thought process.... Bruce had Bent in his best ever form at Sunderland and they were 6th in the league when we bought him.... we must hire him!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Slaphead on May 06, 2012, 06:39:29 PM
Yeah but imagine what Bruce could do with Randy's backing...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 06, 2012, 08:30:26 PM
In a straight choice between Peter Withe and Alex McLeech? No contest, come home Peter, but right now Lambert is a better shout than just about anyone I think, has some very valid experience but still a lot to prove. Of course, he won't come if Randy ain't going to back him and that, other than as yet McLeech hasn't gone (Why not? The final whistle went hours ago!) could be the stumbling block for any candidate. On the one hand it's an enticing prospect (surely) to revive the fortunes of this great club and take it forwards, but without that backing it's going to be a long, hard slog for anyone!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)
Sorry, meant "sofa"!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2012, 09:10:11 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)

It just shows you how the faith in our club has been wrecked doesn't it?  Paul Lambert, managing a club so far inferior to Aston Villa in size and stature etc and we are wondering if he'd want to make the move.  If Lambert felt he was part way through a project, or wanted to be loyal, like Martinez last year, then I'd totally understand it, but Norwich are a small club and I'd hope that Lambert would want to move because he see's the opportunity as too good to pass up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 09:10:11 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)

It just shows you how the faith in our club has been wrecked doesn't it?  Paul Lambert, managing a club so far inferior to Aston Villa in size and stature etc and we are wondering if he'd want to make the move.  If Lambert felt he was part way through a project, or wanted to be loyal, like Martinez last year, then I'd totally understand it, but Norwich are a small club and I'd hope that Lambert would want to move because he see's the opportunity as too good to pass up.
My thoughts exactly.
But perhaps he likes being at a "small" club which he has brought up to the Prem and wants to consolidate their position - the incomplete "project" might be too strong to tempt him away?

I wonder what AM's project is?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 09:10:11 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)

It just shows you how the faith in our club has been wrecked doesn't it?  Paul Lambert, managing a club so far inferior to Aston Villa in size and stature etc and we are wondering if he'd want to make the move.  If Lambert felt he was part way through a project, or wanted to be loyal, like Martinez last year, then I'd totally understand it, but Norwich are a small club and I'd hope that Lambert would want to move because he see's the opportunity as too good to pass up.
My thoughts exactly.
But perhaps he likes being at a "small" club which he has brought up to the Prem and wants to consolidate their position - the incomplete "project" might be too strong to tempt him away?

I wonder what AM's project is?

Over, I hope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 06, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
I can think of a few reasons why an up and coming ambitious manager would not come.
Lack of new Investment
Player problems.
Players with time on thier contracts that will be very hard to move on.
Fan disenchantment
The MON perspective.
The Aston Villa storey does not look appealing right now, unless RL can say to a prospective Manager, there is real money to play with, we could still end up with Mcliesh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 06, 2012, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 06, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
I can think of a few reasons why an up and coming ambitious manager would not come.
Lack of new Investment
Player problems.
Players with time on thier contracts that will be very hard to move on.
Fan disenchantment
The MON perspective.
The Aston Villa storey does not look appealing right now, unless RL can say to a prospective Manager, there is real money to play with, we could still end up with Mcliesh.

Stick with McLeish, then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 09:10:11 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)

It just shows you how the faith in our club has been wrecked doesn't it?  Paul Lambert, managing a club so far inferior to Aston Villa in size and stature etc and we are wondering if he'd want to make the move.  If Lambert felt he was part way through a project, or wanted to be loyal, like Martinez last year, then I'd totally understand it, but Norwich are a small club and I'd hope that Lambert would want to move because he see's the opportunity as too good to pass up.
My thoughts exactly.
But perhaps he likes being at a "small" club which he has brought up to the Prem and wants to consolidate their position - the incomplete "project" might be too strong to tempt him away?

I wonder what AM's project is?

Over, I hope.

Hear hear!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 06, 2012, 09:30:32 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 06, 2012, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 06, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
I can think of a few reasons why an up and coming ambitious manager would not come.
Lack of new Investment
Player problems.
Players with time on thier contracts that will be very hard to move on.
Fan disenchantment
The MON perspective.
The Aston Villa storey does not look appealing right now, unless RL can say to a prospective Manager, there is real money to play with, we could still end up with Mcliesh.

Stick with McLeish, then?
No, not a chance. I am just pointing out that RL,s criteria for the job could see him stay.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 06, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)
Sorry, meant "sofa"!


we pay top 20 in Europe managers wages,
 theres enough decent managers out there that would be tempted by that alone
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: john e on May 06, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:39:40 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
The more I think about Lambert in our dug out, the more the idea sounds bettet and better. Just a gut feeling but I think he'd be very good.
Would love him here but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

(*Runs for cover behind soaf!*) ;-)
Sorry, meant "sofa"!


we pay top 20 in Europe managers wages,
 theres enough decent managers out there that would be tempted by that alone
Agreed, but my point was about Lambert in particular and as an example of other promising managers - eg Rodgers.
I'm pretty sure AM was/is tempted by the money but he's still a shit manager as far as we can all see, and I don't want more of the same. Just paying some bloke a lot of money doesn't mean anything significant will happen more than him being paid a lot of money.
I think Lambert/ Rodgers /Martinez would make a difference because they seem to have a philosophy/style about the game which is what I like about them.
At the moment I don't see our club as an attractive proposition to good, young managers such as these.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 12:54:41 AM
I reckon Martinez would accept the offer of an interview this year, if it's offered.  He's been loyal enough now to Wigan and won't take them any further. Could be a good fit for Villa.  Used to working with a tight budget, has an eye for flair, has an eye for a bargain.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 07, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
The next manager at Villa should have 30% to 40% of his salary performance based. If we do crap his 30 to 40% down on the agreed salary package.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Wiggz on May 07, 2012, 09:54:00 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 07, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
The next manager at Villa should have 30% to 40% of his salary performance based. If we do crap his 30 to 40% down on the agreed salary package.

That's a lovely utopian outlook, but that's not going to attract the quality we need unfortunately.

I 100% believe that this should be the sort of structure that many clubs look to, but whilst cash is king, it's never going to happen :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DrGonzo on May 07, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Withe told the Birmingham Sunday Mercury: "I don't want to talk about what is currently happening at the club, but I want to manage Aston Villa and there is no point in my disguising that fact.

"I had a fantastic nine or 10 years at that great club and it would be a dream for me to lead them, an absolute dream.

"If the opportunity to manage Villa came up, I would grab it with both hands and I know I would be able to put that club back where it belongs."


this
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on May 07, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Withe told the Birmingham Sunday Mercury: "I don't want to talk about what is currently happening at the club, but I want to manage Aston Villa and there is no point in my disguising that fact.

"I had a fantastic nine or 10 years at that great club and it would be a dream for me to lead them, an absolute dream.

"If the opportunity to manage Villa came up, I would grab it with both hands and I know I would be able to put that club back where it belongs."


this

First of all, it's unacceptable to talk about a job while it isn't vacant. Second, look at his record in England - it's poor to say the least. Villa legend, but no thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Maybe it was Withey's cryptic way of saying 'i could do a better job than Mcleish'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 07, 2012, 11:57:49 AM
Would rather Withe remained a legend and not take the job. Would be hard if he did not succeed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
Peter Withe as Villa manager? No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Maybe it was Withey's cryptic way of saying 'i could do a better job than Mcleish'.

Maybe, but he was still touting for another manager's job, which is something you just don't do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
I'll make a prediction now that you can all rip to pieces  if it doesn't happen.
If / when AM goes, we will go for a coach not a manager and that person will be Italian. And he's doing a temporary job at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 07, 2012, 12:14:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 11:49:29 AM
Maybe it was Withey's cryptic way of saying 'i could do a better job than Mcleish'.

My cat could do a better job than McLeish, doesn't mean I'm putting her up for the job.
Peter Withe is a legend, but his record as a manager is abysmal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
...and that person will be Italian. And he's doing a temporary job at the moment.

With the Lerner/Faulkner knowledge of the football world being what it is, I assume you're talking about one of the waiters at your local pizzaria...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
...and that person will be Italian. And he's doing a temporary job at the moment.

With the Lerner/Faulkner knowledge of the football world being what it is, I assume you're talking about one of the waiters at your local pizzaria...
Very good.
This bit should be taken with a pinch of salt as with all ITK's........I heard yesterday that an exploratory approach has been made to the gentleman in question.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:29:33 PM
I think the manager job would be very tempting for a young ambitious manager.

He would be starting from a low base if the older players with only a year on their contract to go leave.  There would be very few 'big ego' players in the club.  Providing the manager is given time by the supporters and the club, he could build a team that was a true reflection of how he wants to play football.

If a young manager has enough belief in is own ability and has vision, AVFC manager is a fantastic opportunity and let's not forget, goes with a circa £2m salary.  If the current managers have thoughts of managing the Man Utds etc, they are not going to get there straight from the likes of Norwich, Swansea, Wigan etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 07, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
Before we even start looking for a new manager, Randy needs to sit down and consider what he wants to do with the club. Only then can he cut his cloth in the shape of a new manager. The thought of wearing rags for another season is not an option. The sooner he realises that, the better.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on May 07, 2012, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
...and that person will be Italian. And he's doing a temporary job at the moment.

With the Lerner/Faulkner knowledge of the football world being what it is, I assume you're talking about one of the waiters at your local pizzaria...
Very good.
This bit should be taken with a pinch of salt as with all ITK's........I heard yesterday that an exploratory approach has been made to the gentleman in question.

I'd be happy with him but even if he doesn't get the Chelsea job I think he'd turn us down and hold out for a bigger job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 07, 2012, 02:42:51 PM
The gentleman in question didn't exactly rip up trees at one of our esteemed neighbours (although he did have a good start), but has to be better than our present encumbent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 07, 2012, 02:49:35 PM


  For me

   1st...................Martinez
   2nd..................Hoddle/Wilkins combination
   3rd...................Rodgers
   4th...................Lambert


    I can't believe we can't attract any one of those on the list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 07, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
I don't think anyone with a good reputation is going to come here unless we've got money to spend. The squad needs and overhaul and I don't see the likes of Lambert or Martinez coming unless they get the money to overhaul it.

The likes of Dunne, Collins and Warnock are on the decline and will be content to see out their deals for the final year, unless we are willing to take big losses on them (and then stump up the cash to replace them). And that's before even considering replacing Guzan, Cuellar, Petrov and Heskey.

We do have some promising kids, but they're not guaranteed and it's not going to be enough to entice a coach who has no previous knowledge of them. That's why I think that if we can't spend big, and we're relying on 6 or 7 players who've got less than 50 games under their belt we might as well give it to Kmac and Sid. Atleast they know the kids inside out and will get the supporters back onside.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 07, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 07, 2012, 02:49:35 PM


  For me

   1st...................Martinez
   2nd..................Hoddle/Wilkins combination
   3rd...................Rodgers
   4th...................Lambert


    I can't believe we can't attract any one of those on the list.


i cant be doing with Wilkins he was an overated player, and only did any good at Chelsea for about a year as a go between for the manager and players, he is totally out of his comfort area in management. he has been an abysmal failure everywhere else

his comfort zone being talking unoffensive driffell especially about Man Utd and Chelsea
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 07, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on May 07, 2012, 02:49:35 PM


  For me

   1st...................Martinez
   2nd..................Hoddle/Wilkins combination
   3rd...................Rodgers
   4th...................Lambert


    I can't believe we can't attract any one of those on the list.

Hoddle? Seriously?

I know this kind of thinking is a little out there and might get me put in the nut house, but isn't there someone on the bloody continent that we can attract?

And please, I never want to hear again that the future manager must have PL experience. What a crock of shit that is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 07, 2012, 03:01:52 PM
A big 'no' to Hoodle here. One thing we must learn from is not to bring in a manager that has been out of the game for some time. O'Leary, MON and Houllier all had their faults and much can be put down to them easing their way into the job.

We need somebody that will hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 07, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
Lambert or Rodgers would be great,someone off centre a little would be Laudrup. Had some mixed results where he's been,but tries to get his teams to play the right way,done well with Getafe and at Mallorca under extreme circumstances.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 07, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 07, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
I don't think anyone with a good reputation is going to come here unless we've got money to spend. The squad needs and overhaul and I don't see the likes of Lambert or Martinez coming unless they get the money to overhaul it.

The likes of Dunne, Collins and Warnock are on the decline and will be content to see out their deals for the final year, unless we are willing to take big losses on them (and then stump up the cash to replace them). And that's before even considering replacing Guzan, Cuellar, Petrov and Heskey.

We do have some promising kids, but they're not guaranteed and it's not going to be enough to entice a coach who has no previous knowledge of them. That's why I think that if we can't spend big, and we're relying on 6 or 7 players who've got less than 50 games under their belt we might as well give it to Kmac and Sid. Atleast they know the kids inside out and will get the supporters back onside.


if Aston Villa cant attract the likes of Rogers, Lambert,Martinez who else will ?

the days have gone when Man Utd will offer the job to a up and comer to take charge like last time,
 the top 6 will not look at them as the clubs they are at are to small to challenge for much apart from winning the battle against relegation every year

so there next step is teams like Villa, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle,( Leeds and Sheff Wed  if they were in the prem) clubs with bigger support bases ie 35k and above, that coupled with a 2 mill salary a year should be enough to tempt any of the names above.

the reason it didnt last time with Martinez is because we went round it the wrong way and got our knickers in a twist about what we were doing, i think they will have learnt from that and do things a bit better next time
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Hoddle is a no no. He would completely knacker things up. Lambert or Martinez would be good but i don't see them coming, especially Lambert when he has work in progress at Norwich.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 03:13:39 PM
Despite the season we've had, Aston Villa manager is still a massive job in football for somebody with ambition. I just hope Randy realises this.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 07, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I have never and still dont understand why so many ppl would like Martinez in charge at Villa. Could some of you please explain why you think he would do such a great job for us as I just dont see it.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 07, 2012, 03:16:42 PM
I think youre right John. Even in our current state we should be able to attract those types of managers. A far superior salary,far bigger fan base,our history and ground all come into play. A whatever we think of him on here,it seems that Randy would be a good bloke to work for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 07, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I have never and still dont understand why so many ppl would like Martinez in charge at Villa. Could some of you please explain why you think he would do such a great job for us as I just dont see it.



Perhaps not my first choice but he builds teams with the emphasis on playing football and not relying on individuals.  His teams are greater than the sum of their parts by a long way.  Because of this he does not have to rely entirely on money.  Also, he must be a great motivator and instills belief in his players as shown by Wigan coming back from the dead the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 07, 2012, 03:29:43 PM
I didn't want Martinez last year and still don't. His teams don't start playing until April, and whilst that is still better than McLeech who's teams don't ever start playing, we can do better. Lambert will come if approached, why would he not? Norwich are unlikely to go much further than they are and he'll never earn £2m a year with them. He's shown this season that he can mix it in terms of playing styles and has the tactical nous to do so. Sign him up please!

As for RDM, if he doesn't get the Chelski job he'll get one overseas of similar ilk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 03:07:52 PM

the reason it didnt last time with Martinez is because we went round it the wrong way and got our knickers in a twist about what we were doing, i think they will have learnt from that and do things a bit better next time

This for me is the crucial bit. Next season will depend entirely on Randy Lerner. Will he have the bottle to admit he has got things badly wrong and to really go for it in putting things right? Or is he, as has been suggested all this season, an disinterested and stubborn owner who is happy for us to plod along.

We should have an idea within a fortnight or so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
Why are so many on here quick to run the club down.  We are an attractive club to manage.

As I and others have said, the young up and coming managers are not going to get to the top unless they use clubs like Villa as stepping stones.  No doubt some will reply that they do not want  a manager that uses us as a stepping stone.  In that situation we need to ensure that we keep progressing so that we keep hold of the manager or build a system so there is a ready made replacement.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hulkamania on May 07, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
I get the feeling that the wheels are in motion now. I think we will see a DOF come in. Someone like Comolli with one of either Lambert, Martinez or Poyet as coach. This is a massive summer for Lerner and co. This season would of been an eye opener for Randy. Certainly in my eyes this will be his last chance to get things right. Get it wrong and he will turn fans against him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 07, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: hulkamania on May 07, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
Certainly in my eyes this will be his last chance to get things right. Get it wrong and he will turn fans against him

Forget the fans, he'll never recoup his losses if he fails to get it right. You're right, it really is his last chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 07, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
Lambert would be my choice. I just hope it's sorted quick.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:22:53 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 07, 2012, 12:12:17 PM
...and that person will be Italian. And he's doing a temporary job at the moment.

With the Lerner/Faulkner knowledge of the football world being what it is, I assume you're talking about one of the waiters at your local pizzaria...
Very good.
This bit should be taken with a pinch of salt as with all ITK's........I heard yesterday that an exploratory approach has been made to the gentleman in question.

I’m surprised everyone ignored this.  Do you have a history of talking shit TLP?

I’d be happy with that.  A lot of football management is perception and “The Italian’s” stock must be pretty high right now despite his success being at least partially due to a bunch of corrosive players getting their way and wanting to play again.

You mention as a “coach”, does your ITK think we’ll be appointing a DoF (or something) too?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 07, 2012, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 07, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I have never and still dont understand why so many ppl would like Martinez in charge at Villa. Could some of you please explain why you think he would do such a great job for us as I just dont see it.



Perhaps not my first choice but he builds teams with the emphasis on playing football and not relying on individuals.  His teams are greater than the sum of their parts by a long way.  Because of this he does not have to rely entirely on money.  Also, he must be a great motivator and instills belief in his players as shown by Wigan coming back from the dead the last two seasons.
I acknowledge that he has little budget to work with, but I dont buy into DWs myth that Martinez is one of the best young managers in Europe, and I certainly dont see a manager who annually avoids relegation as any kind of great motivator, tactician or being suitable for the job at Villa Park. If Martinez is the best we can do then this club really is in the shite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 07, 2012, 04:07:19 PM
As I said earlier - RDM didn't have great success at the Boggies. He did well to get them up from the Championship but in 25 PL games he only got 26 points, conceding 48 goals along the way (see Statto (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2010-2011/table/2011-02-05)). He's done well at Chelsea now that the dressing room got rid of AVB, but with those players at his disposal now happy his job was half done for him. Not sure he'd be a success for us given his albeit short stint at Olbiyun
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 07, 2012, 04:07:19 PM
As I said earlier - RDM didn't have great success at the Boggies. He did well to get them up from the Championship but in 25 PL games he only got 26 points, conceding 77 goals along the way (see Statto (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2010-2011/table/2011-02-05)). He's done well at Chelsea now that the dressing room got rid of AVB, but with those players at his disposal now happy his job was half done for him. Not sure he'd be a success for us given his albeit short stint at Olbiyun

All valid points.  I’d hope that he has learnt something from AVB with regards to thorough scouting (the opposition) and general dedication to work.  Working for a guy like that cannot be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 06:06:39 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
Hoddle is a no no. He would completely knacker things up.

I wouldn't be against Hoddle, he'd be coming in off the back of the worst EVER home season and the worst points tally in 20 years, oh and he's not Alex McLeish.

What is there to knacker up?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 07, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
Rodgers is still the stand out candidate for me.

It won't happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 07:03:24 PM
I wouldn't go for Houghton, I think we should be looking for someone with a bit more experience for the next one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
It's Hughton!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 07:03:24 PM
I wouldn't go for Houghton, I think we should be looking for someone with a bit more experience for the next one.

I wouldn't go for Ray Houghton either. I wouldn't be averse to Chris Hughton having an interview though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 07:10:56 PM
If he ever gets to be our manager I'll make the effort to spell his name correctly, until then he can fucking lump it and be glad he's even being spoken of.

So there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Isn't Chris Houghton on a rolling one year contract?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 07, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
It's Hughton!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Go for David Moyes.  I can hear the cries now, "why would he want to come to Villa?" Think small time, act small time.  Surely the club's austerity measures are at an end, there aren't too many more players to get rid off after Heskey, Carlos and Guzan leave!! Hopefully we are at a better place to attract better quality Managers and not shit like Mcleish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 07, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
Hutton ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 07, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 07, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Go for David Moyes.  I can hear the cries now, "why would he want to come to Villa?" Think small time, act small time.  Surely the club's austerity measures are at an end, there aren't too many more players to get rid off after Heskey, Carlos and Guzan leave!! Hopefully we are at a better place to attract better quality Managers and not shit like Mcleish.

Oh for the love of god . . .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 07, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
With our board's expertise, they'll sack McLeech and then appoint Steve Kean!

Actually, that's not even funny is it? Shit!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: James on May 07, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
With our board's expertise, they'll sack McLeech and then appoint Steve Kean!

Actually, that's not even funny is it? Shit!

as long as shteve McClaren has a job we are safe
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on May 07, 2012, 08:05:33 PM
Hoddle? Really?

Is that Glenn Hoddle who hasn't managed seriously in five years after an unsatisfactory spell in the second division? He has a flashing neon sign above him reading YESTERDAY'S MAN.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 07, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
He's also quite content with running his Spanish soccer schools and doing a bit of TV work here and there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 07, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 07, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Go for David Moyes.  I can hear the cries now, "why would he want to come to Villa?" Think small time, act small time.  Surely the club's austerity measures are at an end, there aren't too many more players to get rid off after Heskey, Carlos and Guzan leave!! Hopefully we are at a better place to attract better quality Managers and not shit like Mcleish.


Newby,
 someone with connections close to the board informed us a couple of days ago on here that we have approached Moyes on more than one occasion in the past,
 and the answer has always been no, we have no reason not to believe him,

 so i think this one is a non starter
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ventnor villain on May 07, 2012, 09:38:13 PM
Gus Poyet for me. He's young, ambitious and believes in open, attacking football. Has done a great job at Brighton and is probably ready for the step up. He's probably taken The Seagulls as far as he can without serious investment. He's also got a swagger about him and wouldn't take any shit from the "egos" in the squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 07, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Go for David Moyes.  I can hear the cries now, "why would he want to come to Villa?" Think small time, act small time.  Surely the club's austerity measures are at an end, there aren't too many more players to get rid off after Heskey, Carlos and Guzan leave!! Hopefully we are at a better place to attract better quality Managers and not shit like Mcleish.


Newby,
 someone with connections close to the board informed us a couple of days ago on here that we have approached Moyes on more than one occasion in the past,
 and the answer has always been no, we have no reason not to believe him,

 so i think this one is a non starter

I hadn't realised that, thanks.  In that case, I'd like the club to revisit their choice from last season, Roberto Martinez.  Hopefully he see's that Villa is a step up and his loyalty trip with Wigan is now over.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 09:56:43 PM
But imagine what he could do with Randy's backing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:59:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 09:56:43 PM
But imagine what he could do with Randy's backing.

Hmmm, now where have I heard that before?? ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

And what's funny about that?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Wigan's team cost 1/5 of ours yet are going to finish above us.

lol at Mods closing my thread because they can't handle I was right all along.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Wigan's team cost 1/5 of ours yet are going to finish above us.

lol at Mods closing my thread because they can't handle I was right all along.

Well done give yourself a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Wigan's team cost 1/5 of ours yet are going to finish above us.

lol at Mods closing my thread because they can't handle I was right all along.

Grow up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
One of the first rules of messageboards has got to be that idiots invariably say something about how clever they are.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 07, 2012, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

And what's funny about that?

Gallows humour type funny I guess.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 07, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Wigan's team cost 1/5 of ours yet are going to finish above us.

lol at Mods closing my thread because they can't handle I was right all along.
ffs how old are you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

And what's fun
ny about that?
Because too many of our fans got on their high horses claiming Martinez wasn't good enough and the team which is managed by someone who wasn't good enough is now going to finish above us. Oh and that same team cost 1/5 of what ours cost. Wigans players believe in the Roberto Martinez, no one believes in McLeish lol.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
Do you finish every post with "lol" these days?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
Do you finish every post with "lol" these days?

lol
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

So what? We're f#cking abysmal and they're just 2 points better off with 1 game to go. That's still abysmal in anyone's book.
Wigan's team cost 1/5 of ours yet are going to finish above us.

lol at Mods closing my thread because they can't handle I was right all along.
I think that they are embaressed by your powers of deduction and not used to having a clairvoyant on tjis site. I think you will be taken more seriously here

www.russellgrant.com/site/news-events/strictly_come_dancing
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
Wigan finishing above us (if they do) may be a blessing in disguise when Randy and Paul sit down to look at the final table.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:16:45 PM
Hold on... All I'm doing is pointing out facts, sorry that pointing out facts has got a few of you bent out of shape.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
Do you finish every post with "lol" these days?

no I bet there is lmao or  omg lmfao , in it  8)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 07, 2012, 10:21:54 PM
Randy won't be too dissatisfied with Wigan finishing above us, it will mean we'll get a better chance of the better players for the new season draft.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 07, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
John Cross from Daily Mirror said Paul Lambert take over at Villa next season when he was on Talksports
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
Wigan finishing above us (if they do) may be a blessing in disguise when Randy and Paul sit down to look at the final table.
That's why I wasn't really bothered if Wigan won tonight because it just reinforces how wrong the board were over the course last summer and how they went about the selection of the new manager process. They will stamp their feet wishing they really did go for Martinez and not get played by Dave Whelan. As you said I hope when they see the league table they will realize how appointing McLeish was utter madness and letting the guy they wanted get away and then finish above us the following season was a big fuck up on their behalf.

People who didn't want Martinez will now realize after going through a horror season with McLeish that Martinez in hindsight would of been the better choice of manager and we should if got him when we could.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 07, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
I don't see all the fuss with Martinez, apart from the last half a dozen games Wig-on have been absolute toilet. - No thanks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
Being better than McLeish doesn't necessarily mean actually been good enough to be manager of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 07, 2012, 10:21:54 PM
Randy won't be too dissatisfied with Wigan finishing above us, it will mean we'll get a better chance of the better players for the new season draft.

Very good. Maybe we can nick that Hughton from the other lot. He'd do a decent job at Left Back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
Being better than McLeish doesn't necessarily mean actually been good enough to be manager of Aston Villa.
Yet people on here want Rodgers or Lambert...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 07, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Surely a better strategy than the last 2 picks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.
I am trying to remember one, Hughes? I get your point, moulding a club in your own image is not necessarily the prelude to walking into Villa Park and becoming the messiah.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 07, 2012, 04:06:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 07, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I have never and still dont understand why so many ppl would like Martinez in charge at Villa. Could some of you please explain why you think he would do such a great job for us as I just dont see it.



Well I'd rather him next season than McDuff. At least he can avoid relegation for more than one season. Blues are twice the club Wigan are in terms of size and Villa 3 times the size.He has worked very well at his 2 jobs.

Perhaps not my first choice but he builds teams with the emphasis on playing football and not relying on individuals.  His teams are greater than the sum of their parts by a long way.  Because of this he does not have to rely entirely on money.  Also, he must be a great motivator and instills belief in his players as shown by Wigan coming back from the dead the last two seasons.
I acknowledge that he has little budget to work with, but I dont buy into DWs myth that Martinez is one of the best young managers in Europe, and I certainly dont see a manager who annually avoids relegation as any kind of great motivator, tactician or being suitable for the job at Villa Park. If Martinez is the best we can do then this club really is in the shite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
The next big thing could be fatal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Isn't "see,I told you he'd be a great manager, he finished above McLeish" the faintest of praise?

Almost everyone finished above McLeish, and Martinez is going to finish only just above him, in any case.

And what's more, people didn't want Martinez - you are acting as if people didn't want him because they preferred McLeish, which is nonsense, as at that point nobody thought Lerner would dream of beng stupid enough to approach McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 10:51:54 PM
Tony Pulis finished has above AM 2 seasons running. Maybe we should get him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
I'm starting to think we're going to have to be relegated for any manager to have a decent go at things. Reading the mail today and there was fans at the protest who thought this team would have been chasing europe and in the top6 if Mcleish wasn't here.. If thats the level of expectation from our fans then we might as well give up looking for a new guy. He'd laugh his bollocks off if the board set that as a target before swiftly turning us down
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so

Well if we keep the current incumbnet we will be spending the season in the bottom 3 without the late rally.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2012, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Isn't "see,I told you he'd be a great manager, he finished above McLeish" the faintest of praise?

Almost everyone finished above McLeish, and Martinez is going to finish only just above him, in any case.

And what's more, people didn't want Martinez - you are acting as if people didn't want him because they preferred McLeish, which is nonsense, as at that point nobody thought Lerner would dream of beng stupid enough to approach McLeish.

One of the worst things about this season is that on top of making me cheer for West Brom and Spurs while they've been playing our relegation rivals, I now see Curbishley as a realistic managerial candidate and better than the current incumbent.  Fookin' marvellous!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol
And what's funny about that?
Nothing Dave from a Villa perpective is funny about that. Happened under O'Dreary. They have a better manager. Much better.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:00:30 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Martinez worries me because he spends most of the season in the bottom 3 only to reemerge in the last month or so
Wigan are going to finish above us lol

And what's fun
ny about that?
Because too many of our fans got on their high horses claiming Martinez wasn't good enough and the team which is managed by someone who wasn't good enough is now going to finish above us. Oh and that same team cost 1/5 of what ours cost. Wigans players believe in the Roberto Martinez, no one believes in McLeish lol.

I said at the time to my friends and work colleagues of various Midlands clubs (I ignore the Glory Hunters) that Martinez was a punt but at least progressive punt. We ended up with a hugely regressive punt. Nothing this season points towards it being any different.
mcLeish has been a disaster.
He should go but he won't. He'll be replaced in November at huge expense and we'll end up with another 'big name ' - maybe Venables based on Faulkner's football knowledge
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 07, 2012, 11:03:06 PM
Lambert joined Norwich after his Colchester side gave them a battering on the opening day. Maybe he'll join the Villa after his Norwich side give us a battering on the final day?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 07, 2012, 11:04:02 PM
If McLeish goes or in that matter if anyone is looking for a new manager how can some like Curbishley who has been out of the game so long now ever be considered?
Wasn't his last job poorly managing West Ham?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 07, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Well maybe that will put off our Randy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.

Even Moyes didn't do the usual NBT thing of promotion to the Premier League one season and staying up the next; he was a lower divisions gamble which paid off. None of us know what Lambert is really capable of, and I think there are potentially better managers out there who would bring a better worldview.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 11:07:02 PM
I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.
Yep the Icelandics, West Ham were hardly pulling up trees but he inherited a bit of a mess.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Promotion to top league or just promotion?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 07, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
Quote
I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.

Didin't he win some sort of constructive dismissal case against them?



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.

Even Moyes didn't do the usual NBT thing of promotion to the Premier League one season and staying up the next; he was a lower divisions gamble which paid off. None of us know what Lambert is really capable of, and I think there are potentially better managers out there who would bring a better worldview.

But that would almost certainly mean widening the search to include those without premier league experience now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 07, 2012, 11:04:02 PM
If McLeish goes or in that matter if anyone is looking for a new manager how can some like Curbishley who has been out of the game so long now ever be considered?
Wasn't his last job poorly managing West Ham?

I think so, but in his defence I’m pretty sure he sued them for constructive dismissal so I think it’s harsh to judge him on his West Ham performance.  Considering the clowns that continually seem to find jobs I wonder who’s cat Curbishley has run over as his record at Charlton was superb.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Promotion to top league or just promotion?

Top league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.

Even Moyes didn't do the usual NBT thing of promotion to the Premier League one season and staying up the next; he was a lower divisions gamble which paid off. None of us know what Lambert is really capable of, and I think there are potentially better managers out there who would bring a better worldview.

But that would almost certainly mean widening the search to include those without premier league experience now.

A mistake that surely to God they've learned from.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villainjock on May 07, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
i think we should have a campaign to appoint hughton as our new manager, that would shut shearer, merse and the rest of the dickheads up. i actually think he would be a good choice and available for nowt, perfect for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
Wiki says he did indeed win a few bob, he left nearly 4 years ago, Hoddle hasn't worked for five
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 07, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
Quote
I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.

Didin't he win some sort of constructive dismissal case against them?
If our own experience in that area is anything to go by we can probably assume that it was nothing more than a club that could be arsed to waste time and money in court pandering to a shyster's litigiousness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
I wouldn't bank on it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.

Even Moyes didn't do the usual NBT thing of promotion to the Premier League one season and staying up the next; he was a lower divisions gamble which paid off. None of us know what Lambert is really capable of, and I think there are potentially better managers out there who would bring a better worldview.

But that would almost certainly mean widening the search to include those without premier league experience now.

A mistake that surely to God they've learned from.

They have not fired their last mistake yet, so hoping they have learned something from the process of making that error is grasping for a rope that might never swing your way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

It is a very decent point. Moyes was probably the last one, or DiMatteo who got Albion up playing good football and then got dumped for Hodgson, but is doing ok now somewhere or another.

But Jewell, Brown, Burley off the top of my head have failed to live up to early promise. Which is why Curbishley is not the horror thought he was BAM (I feel we need to define all our managerial wants to before and after Alex McLeish).

I was a big advocate of Houllier and wanted Benitez last summer due to their track record of winning things mainly, and that Houllier was clearly right with his assessment of the squad. My hope is that one of the young managers brings something more fresh to Villa, and after this season it is a perfect platform for one to do what Moyes has at Everton in fairness.

Ozz - Houllier was brought to Liverpool to win The League. He failed despite enormous spending and he got sacked after 4 attempts. He inhertied his best players and bought 4 keepers to  replace Friedel. He was awful as French coach, rode on the back of LeGuen's success at Lyon and backed Domenech 2008-2010.

He came in told the players they were not that good and needed to train more and play different football. That is OK if you are bottom six, not Top6,  and basically took us to a relegation scrap because he hired a non Villa Stooge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:22:56 PM
Yet his side plus Alonso won the Champions league the next season, and he won several trophies while there. He identified most of what is wrong with our side, and wanted to fix it in the summer. Were he still here I reckon we would be comfortably in the top 10 at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:23:25 PM
I do wonder what they asked at the interviews for the Villa job. Presumably McLeish put forward a plan for what he wanted to which is why Lerner and Faulkner decided to go against every howl of protest and appoint him.

I'd like to think this time, having been more watchful in the recruitment process, we can appoint a manager who knows what it's like to build a squad around a core of talented players, that has a good approach to discipline and most important of all, has a plan B in regards to tactics and scouting. Where he comes from, I don't care. Where he takes us, I do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.


not sure i agree. If we're keeping that defence again and are living on free transfers I can't see much more than a very modest improvement unless the proverbial miracle worker came in. Lower mid-table if we're lucky with injuries. I'm not sure that would be enough to keep the fans off a manager's back
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
As NBTs go, Lambert, Martinez and Rodgers should all have a “worldview” due to where they’ve played, who they’ve worked under etc.  Certainly Lambert seems to describe his period in germany as the epiphany that changed his outlook on football.  He also said how much Sammer (as the Head of Development for Germany) had helped the youngsters in German football so he may even consider foreign help higher up within the club too.

Personally I’d be delighted if we copied the post 2006 German style of football.  I think it’s the best to watch.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.


not sure i agree. If we're keeping that defence again and are living on free transfers I can't see much more than a very modest improvement unless the proverbial miracle worker came in. Lower mid-table if we're lucky with injuries. I'm not sure that would be enough to keep the fans off a manager's back

I don't see that a new Villa boss necessarily has to be resigned to modest improvement. Time and again it has been demonstrated in football that it's not necessarily who you're using to play the game, but how they play together. Yes, we're hardly going to set the league alight but an astute manager and a clean slate could see us at the top of a very mediocre pack. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a new manager to have that ambition.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Martyn Smith on May 07, 2012, 11:31:31 PM
Why is Alex McLeish still at VP? We're safe now...the Norwich game is meaningless. At this same stage of the season 25 years ago when we had another useless Scottish ginger tosser whose surname started with Mc (or Mac, maybe, can't recall) he was sacked once our fate was confirmed...

...as to his replacement...how about Rainieri or Capello...both have said they want to manage in the Prem and who bigger than Villa is looking at changing their manager right now...why aren't we thinking *big*?...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: Martyn Bentsmith on May 07, 2012, 11:31:31 PM
...as to his replacement...how about Rainieri or Capello...both have said they want to manage in the Prem and who bigger than Villa is looking at changing their manager right now...why aren't we thinking *big*?...

Chelsea, they’re looking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Promotion to top league or just promotion?

Top league.

Well DiMatteo is doing OK I suppose. Brian Little did OK albeit with someone else. BFR did ok - bit of a cheat on my part. Appy Arry at Portsmouth Mk II/Tottenham. Owen Coyle has done ok. Bruce did well to keep Wigan up and send that lot down. I'll settle for OK compared to relegation fodder crap we have currently. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: Martyn Bentsmith on May 07, 2012, 11:31:31 PM
...as to his replacement...how about Rainieri or Capello...both have said they want to manage in the Prem and who bigger than Villa is looking at changing their manager right now...why aren't we thinking *big*?...

Chelsea, they’re looking.

Not that bothered about Ranieri, and Capello stopped being interested in Villa Park once James Milner moved to Manchester.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Promotion to top league or just promotion?

Top league.

Owen Coyle has done ok. Bruce did well to keep Wigan up and send that lot down. I'll settle for OK compared to relegation fodder crap we have currently. 

It's all relative, but I'd hesitate to use the words 'ok' and 'well' in relation to either of those managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:38:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.


not sure i agree. If we're keeping that defence again and are living on free transfers I can't see much more than a very modest improvement unless the proverbial miracle worker came in. Lower mid-table if we're lucky with injuries. I'm not sure that would be enough to keep the fans off a manager's back
If it is that defence and free transfers then we are in for a very tough season again, and if that is the case I cant see any decent Manager wanting the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 07, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 07, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
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I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.

Didin't he win some sort of constructive dismissal case against them?
If our own experience in that area is anything to go by we can probably assume that it was nothing more than a club that could be arsed to waste time and money in court pandering to a shyster's litigiousness.

And your experience and evidence for that is what exactly?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 07, 2012, 11:40:23 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
Wigan finishing above us (if they do) may be a blessing in disguise when Randy and Paul sit down to look at the final table.
That's why I wasn't really bothered if Wigan won tonight because it just reinforces how wrong the board were over the course last summer and how they went about the selection of the new manager process. They will stamp their feet wishing they really did go for Martinez and not get played by Dave Whelan. As you said I hope when they see the league table they will realize how appointing McLeish was utter madness and letting the guy they wanted get away and then finish above us the following season was a big fuck up on their behalf.

People who didn't want Martinez will now realize after going through a horror season with McLeish that Martinez in hindsight would of been the better choice of manager and we should if got him when we could.

I was one of those who was quite open to the idea when Whelan first let it slip we'd approached them last season.

Whether the club just wanted the chance to speak to him in person with a view to maybe keeping him in mind for the future, or whether he was a definite candidate for the vacancy last summer we'll never know.

But it would have been a move with a fair amount of risk attached to it, so I could understand  why many thought we should aim higher.  McLeish making a complete pigs ear of the thing doesn't invalidate that initial viewpoint.  I'm sure those same fans would say they wanted better than Martinez and McLeish. 

As recently as February you wouldn't have had many Villa fans on here saying 'if only we'd been able to persuade Martinez to ditch Wigan' either.  He was apparently on very shaky ground there, not a million miles away from the tin tack.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:38:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 07, 2012, 11:14:22 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 07, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
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I seem to recall Curbishly leaving West Ham when the board started selling players he wanted to keep.

Didin't he win some sort of constructive dismissal case against them?
If our own experience in that area is anything to go by we can probably assume that it was nothing more than a club that could be arsed to waste time and money in court pandering to a shyster's litigiousness.

And your experience and evidence for that is what exactly?
From what we know of the last manager to get a few quid out of a constructive dismissal case.

*I'm being a bit facetious here and not actually suggesting that Curbishley is a conniving shyster.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.


not sure i agree. If we're keeping that defence again and are living on free transfers I can't see much more than a very modest improvement unless the proverbial miracle worker came in. Lower mid-table if we're lucky with injuries. I'm not sure that would be enough to keep the fans off a manager's back

I don't see that a new Villa boss necessarily has to be resigned to modest improvement. Time and again it has been demonstrated in football that it's not necessarily who you're using to play the game, but how they play together. Yes, we're hardly going to set the league alight but an astute manager and a clean slate could see us at the top of a very mediocre pack. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a new manager to have that ambition.

best of the mediocre pack would be everton on 53 points. if you know a manager who get this team with no re-inforcements up there then by all means bring him on, but realistically  we're nowhere near them quality wise or indeed liverpool below them
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:22:56 PM
Yet his side plus Alonso won the Champions league the next season, and he won several trophies while there. He identified most of what is wrong with our side, and wanted to fix it in the summer. Were he still here I reckon we would be comfortably in the top 10 at the moment.
Ozz if we had got Curbishley in 2010 or Martinez Iin 2011 we would have had 2 Top 10 finishes without the expense of 2 disastrous appointments.
Houllier is very good at pointing out others weakeneses - not good at his own mind.

'...I would prefer to lose to Liverpool...'

Arrogant and Aloof
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 07, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Lets all hope and pray he is right

Lambert, Martinez, Poyet, Rogers. Any of them would be great. Young, ambitious and done it with players far less fancied than ours.

I'm really, really wary of Next Big Thing managers. I can't remember the last one to do well on the back of moving to a better job after promotion and staying up.

Promotion to top league or just promotion?

Top league.

Owen Coyle has done ok. Bruce did well to keep Wigan up and send that lot down. I'll settle for OK compared to relegation fodder crap we have currently. 

It's all relative, but I'd hesitate to use the words 'ok' and 'well' in relation to either of those managers.

It is all relative which is a point -OK is better than crap which is what McLeish has done with Villa and others. 4 Prem seasons - 3 crap, 1 good. I'll bet on a crap one next season. I maybe wrong I was about Fergie getting the sack in 1990.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:24:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:59:14 PM
2 of our most succesfull periods have followed relegation but the situation has changed now. For every Newcastle there is a Sheff Wednesday, Forest and a whole bunch of YOYO clubs


well yes but what do you do? Say they bring in curbishley who's shite but mebbe less shite than Mcleish. He's not gonna turn this team into world beaters especially if the purse strings are kept shut. Plus he's got the charisma of a wet weekend. I'd give it till Christmas before the knives are out because too many of our fans are in laa laa land re the team's ability
The problem with keeping him until Christmas is that he will have spent  whatever money RL has made available. Our 2 worst outfield players are Hutton and Nzogbia so not a lot of reason to give him more cash. The Villa fans I speak to have pretty moderate expectations, they just dont believe we should be relegation candidates and I agree, we shouldnt.


not sure i agree. If we're keeping that defence again and are living on free transfers I can't see much more than a very modest improvement unless the proverbial miracle worker came in. Lower mid-table if we're lucky with injuries. I'm not sure that would be enough to keep the fans off a manager's back

I don't see that a new Villa boss necessarily has to be resigned to modest improvement. Time and again it has been demonstrated in football that it's not necessarily who you're using to play the game, but how they play together. Yes, we're hardly going to set the league alight but an astute manager and a clean slate could see us at the top of a very mediocre pack. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a new manager to have that ambition.

best of the mediocre pack would be everton on 53 points. if you know a manager who get this team with no re-inforcements up there then by all means bring him on, but realistically  we're nowhere near them quality wise or indeed liverpool below them

I didn't say no reinforcements, I was taking your point that free transfers etc might not be the cause for pessimism you inferred - just because a player's contract has expired it doesn't mean they're not worth chasing. I don't agree that we're nowhere near them quality-wise either. We have quality players, it's just that they've been playing under a duff manager. If it turns out N'Zogbia, Ireland and Bent are crap under a new manager, I'll be the first to hold my hands up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
Ireland has been our best player and has talent.
Bent is a very limited footballer, can do only one usefull thing and that depends massively on service.
Nzogbia is a myth, not interested, his attitude stinks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
Ireland has been our best player and has talent.
Bent is a very limited footballer, can do only one usefull thing and that depends massively on service.
Nzogbia is a myth, not interested, his attitude stinks.

The Bent one just happens to be the hardest and most important part of the game. I think if a manager comes in that gears the team to providing Bent with chances, we will win more than we lose.

The issue with that though, is the loyalty to Agbonlahor, and where to play him to get the most out of Bent.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 12:15:27 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 12:00:02 AM
Ireland has been our best player and has talent.
Bent is a very limited footballer, can do only one usefull thing and that depends massively on service.
Nzogbia is a myth, not interested, his attitude stinks.

The Bent one just happens to be the hardest and most important part of the game. I think if a manager comes in that gears the team to providing Bent with chances, we will win more than we lose.

The issue with that though, is the loyalty to Agbonlahor, and where to play him to get the most out of Bent.


Spot on, Gabby has not looked right since MON left, I dont think the Gabby Bent thing works, in the right system you would have Gabby or Bent not both.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
fully expect one of Bent or Gabby to be off in the summer if only to raise funds. Some free transfer will be bought in to fight it out with wiemenn and the money will go elsewhere, probably on the midfield. Minus Randy's cut of course
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 12:42:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
fully expect one of Bent or Gabby to be off in the summer if only to raise funds. Some free transfer will be bought in to fight it out with wiemenn and the money will go elsewhere, probably on the midfield. Minus Randy's cut of course
oh you optimist you
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 12:44:05 AM
they don't compliment each other. something's gotta give
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: django on May 08, 2012, 12:46:49 AM
I imagine Randy is looking to poach Steve Keane.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Richard on May 08, 2012, 12:47:18 AM
Any of the following would be ok :

Lambert
Rodgers
Hughton
Poyet
Capello
RDM
AVB
Martinez
Benitez
Adkins
McDermott

No thanks to :

Curbishley
Allardyce
McCarthy
Keane
Southgate
Strachan
etc. etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 08, 2012, 01:18:02 AM
Quote from: Richard on May 08, 2012, 12:47:18 AM
Any of the following would be ok :

Lambert
Rodgers
Hughton
Poyet
Capello
RDM
AVB
Martinez
Benitez
Adkins
McDermott

No thanks to :

Curbishley
Allardyce
McCarthy
Keane
Southgate
Strachan
etc. etc.

Lot of untested names on the list there.  Whereas I think some of them definitely have potential in the Premiership, there is a name that should act as a word of caution against such an appointment and that name is Owen Coyle.  This time last year, his first season with Bolton had gone really well and he was being linked with a lot of clubs.  Look at where Bolton are this season and the lack of jobs he is currently being linked with.  Will the same happen with the likes of Lambert and Rodgers?  Do we need a manager with a proven track record at Premiership level?   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: django on May 08, 2012, 01:29:20 AM
Coyle has been a bit unlucky I think, they had by far the toughest opening fixtures of any team (we had the easiest) and they never got any momentum going. And they have a lot of shit players, lost Cahill, lost muamba..

Thing is with managers, once their touch has gone like that, whatever the reason, very few of them can turn it around, even at another club. For Coyle read, Paul Jewell, Brian Little, Phil Brown etc etc

Unless your prepared to pay big money (ha!) it's about getting someone on their way up and them convincing everyone else that their the next big thing.

Amazing to think that we ended up with Mcleast considering the above was equally true in the summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 01:30:06 AM
We don't need a proven Premier League manager, but we do need one with an idea, plan, call it what you like, that stretches beyond survival. I wonder whether Lambert & Rodgers have that ethos. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 08, 2012, 01:45:38 AM
Would be happy to see Gabby moved on. We are trying to accomodate him and it restricts our options up front. Also these so called kids, Fonz, Bannan Albrighton, need to be shipped out. Their in their 20's if their not their yet they never will be.Their taking up valuable squad space.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 08, 2012, 01:49:45 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 12:44:05 AM
they don't compliment each other. something's gotta give
agree and maybe they are both misfits
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 08, 2012, 02:28:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 01:30:06 AM
We don't need a proven Premier League manager, but we do need one with an idea, plan, call it what you like, that stretches beyond survival. I wonder whether Lambert & Rodgers have that ethos.

I'd tend to agree about there not being a great need for a proven name.  Obviously I don't know them professionally or personally, but having watched their teams this season, I think both Lambert and Rodgers seemingly have an ethos and a way of playing that they don't change regardless of who the opponent is.     
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 08, 2012, 09:37:14 AM
What manager would come to a club that after the first loss in charge of the team, all he would hear would be the soft hiss of spraycans decorating bedsheets, the bitter sigh of the start of a new facebook campaign and the till ring of the purchase of a green biro for another letter of outrage to the chairman.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 08, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
The majority of Villa fans are really starting to infuriate me now with the demand Paul Lambert...

He is just a MON lite, yes he will get us playing more direct and attacking (Similar to MON), yes we will win more, yes we will climb the league...

However 3 seasons in I bet you will all be saying, his football style isn't right we need to step up and break top 4, we will get rid and then fall back again as we try to rebuild the football on a more Continental theme... We eont have the patience, we will sack the manager and get the new MON lite in... and the cycle will continue...

(for the purpose of this I am ignoring Big Eck although assume randy thought he would do the play direct get results approach!?!?!)

What we need is a manager who will be given 5 years, and as long as we stay in the prem write the seasons off...

That manager needs to embed a football philisophy we like as a club, from the first team down to the youth academy, so that in 5 years time we can reap the rewards and continue as a club playing great football I would hope finisheing top 6, challenging for top 4....

I would like to see a Director of Football with a vision that can own this, and a head coach that is willing to work this way...

I think Houillier as DOF would of been the answer but that has now gone, maybe we could get a martinez or hughton as head coach... but I would like to see us get a DOF too...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 01:30:06 AM
We don't need a proven Premier League manager, but we do need one with an idea, plan, call it what you like, that stretches beyond survival. I wonder whether Lambert & Rodgers have that ethos. 

Given that they have both easily got their respective teams to safety this year, without resorting to Pulis or McLeish style tactics, I would say "yes they have". 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 08, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 03:07:52 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 07, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
I don't think anyone with a good reputation is going to come here unless we've got money to spend. The squad needs and overhaul and I don't see the likes of Lambert or Martinez coming unless they get the money to overhaul it.

The likes of Dunne, Collins and Warnock are on the decline and will be content to see out their deals for the final year, unless we are willing to take big losses on them (and then stump up the cash to replace them). And that's before even considering replacing Guzan, Cuellar, Petrov and Heskey.

We do have some promising kids, but they're not guaranteed and it's not going to be enough to entice a coach who has no previous knowledge of them. That's why I think that if we can't spend big, and we're relying on 6 or 7 players who've got less than 50 games under their belt we might as well give it to Kmac and Sid. Atleast they know the kids inside out and will get the supporters back onside.


if Aston Villa cant attract the likes of Rogers, Lambert,Martinez who else will ?

the days have gone when Man Utd will offer the job to a up and comer to take charge like last time,
 the top 6 will not look at them as the clubs they are at are to small to challenge for much apart from winning the battle against relegation every year

so there next step is teams like Villa, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle,( Leeds and Sheff Wed  if they were in the prem) clubs with bigger support bases ie 35k and above, that coupled with a 2 mill salary a year should be enough to tempt any of the names above.

the reason it didnt last time with Martinez is because we went round it the wrong way and got our knickers in a twist about what we were doing, i think they will have learnt from that and do things a bit better next time

If we're still skint then they'll have a far better chance of finishing higher with their current clubs. We need a massive overhaul.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 08, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
I have no doubt Lambert is a promising young manager, but he's bloody dour.

If it's Premier League experience I'd prefer Martinez or Di Matteo still.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 08, 2012, 11:32:40 AM
The majority of Villa fans are really starting to infuriate me now with the demand Paul Lambert...

He is just a MON lite, yes he will get us playing more direct and attacking (Similar to MON), yes we will win more, yes we will climb the league...

However 3 seasons in I bet you will all be saying, his football style isn't right we need to step up and break top 4, we will get rid and then fall back again as we try to rebuild the football on a more Continental theme... We eont have the patience, we will sack the manager and get the new MON lite in... and the cycle will continue...

(for the purpose of this I am ignoring Big Eck although assume randy thought he would do the play direct get results approach!?!?!)

What we need is a manager who will be given 5 years, and as long as we stay in the prem write the seasons off...

That manager needs to embed a football philisophy we like as a club, from the first team down to the youth academy, so that in 5 years time we can reap the rewards and continue as a club playing great football I would hope finisheing top 6, challenging for top 4....

I would like to see a Director of Football with a vision that can own this, and a head coach that is willing to work this way...

I think Houillier as DOF would of been the answer but that has now gone, maybe we could get a martinez or hughton as head coach... but I would like to see us get a DOF too...

A longterm plan is needed, but if you look at the MON era we weren't a million miles away.  If it is Lambert then I'd be happy with that, but behind him you need a good scouting system and youth development to enable us to repeat the MON 'success' with less of a spend.

Given his time abroad I also think Lambert has a more continental appraoch than MON and may surprise you.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
Lambert as 'O'Neill lite' I don't agree with at all. I've seen Norwich vary their tactics and play good football this year, the only thing he needs to address is in defence.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 08, 2012, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 08, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
Lambert as 'O'Neill lite' I don't agree with at all. I've seen Norwich vary their tactics and play good football this year, the only thing he needs to address is in defence.

I say Lite as I dont think he is as stubborn as MON, but think the style he plays at Norwich isnt too disimiliar to  watch... only difference is they ship goals!

The Nowich fans also regard him as the Next MON (although - they say it positively, I know this as I work for  company with head offices in Norwich so speak to supporters first hand)


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
Ranieri favourite for West Brom job apparently, in which case we should be in for him as an option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
We need someone who is going to be a strong personality, as the other (non football) management of the club is so half arsed. It's pretty clear that, for all his faults, MON leaving exposed the naivety of the club on football issues.

What concerns me about the likes of Martinez is that he's used to working with a benevolent chairman like Whelan and not having to worry about much other than what was on the pitch. If he came here, would he get to work that way? I doubt it.

One thing I do think is important is that Rodgers, Martinez and Lambert are all young managers for whom we are an obvious next step. I'd like us to go with just this - young, done well so far, will get three years to build the club in his image.

What I do think would be a concern is that it wasn't too long ago Owen Coyle was getting feted as the next big thing, and look where he is headed now. Martinez has done good work in keeping Wigan up, but has he done enough to impress us?
Rodgers and Lambert also have the "next big thing" concern, too.

I do think, though that we have three options.

1. As above, young and upcoming manager proven self to have something

2. Season campaigner - and this is going to mean the likes of Curbishley or Bruce. Or, heaven forbid, McCarthy.

3. Something out of left field - a manager from abroad.

For me only 1 and 3 are even remotely appealling, and option 2 really is not going to do anything to galvanise the support now, and that (which isn't the same as "doing just what the supporters say", before anyone says it) right now is extremely important, as the club is sinking into a pit of apathy for too many of us.

Option 3 above - would they do that? Have they learned the folly of their "must have PL experience" being the biggest requirement on the list?

You'd hope so, but I bet they haven't
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 12:41:17 PM
I agree Paulie, option 1 and 3 are the only options for me. I'm not even concerned with the flavour of the month thing around Martinez, Lambert and Rodgers, because Mcleish has done such a bad job it's impossible to imagine anyone doing worse. We need some freshness and positivity, not one of the typical managers that turn up like Allardyce, McCarthy, Bruce etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
We need someone who is going to be a strong personality, as the other (non football) management of the club is so half arsed. It's pretty clear that, for all his faults, MON leaving exposed the naivety of the club on football issues.

What concerns me about the likes of Martinez is that he's used to working with a benevolent chairman like Whelan and not having to worry about much other than what was on the pitch. If he came here, would he get to work that way? I doubt it.

One thing I do think is important is that Rodgers, Martinez and Lambert are all young managers for whom we are an obvious next step. I'd like us to go with just this - young, done well so far, will get three years to build the club in his image.

What I do think would be a concern is that it wasn't too long ago Owen Coyle was getting feted as the next big thing, and look where he is headed now. Martinez has done good work in keeping Wigan up, but has he done enough to impress us?
Rodgers and Lambert also have the "next big thing" concern, too.

I do think, though that we have three options.

1. As above, young and upcoming manager proven self to have something

2. Season campaigner - and this is going to mean the likes of Curbishley or Bruce. Or, heaven forbid, McCarthy.

3. Something out of left field - a manager from abroad.

For me only 1 and 3 are even remotely appealling, and option 2 really is not going to do anything to galvanise the support now, and that (which isn't the same as "doing just what the supporters say", before anyone says it) right now is extremely important, as the club is sinking into a pit of apathy for too many of us.

Option 3 above - would they do that? Have they learned the folly of their "must have PL experience" being the biggest requirement on the list?

You'd hope so, but I bet they haven't

The thing about the likes of Coyle is there is very little difference in points/performances from keeping their clubs up to seeing them going down.  It's like 'arry getting a CL place one season, but not the next.  For the level they are managing at survival is like a title win - you can't do it every year! 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 08, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 08, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
Ranieri favourite for West Brom job apparently, in which case we should be in for him as an option.

No thanks - like Venables a track record that doesn't stack up to his reputation. Sacked 4 times out of 5 since leaving Chelsea.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 08, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 08, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
Ranieri favourite for West Brom job apparently, in which case we should be in for him as an option.

No thanks - like Venables a track record that doesn't stack up to his reputation. Sacked 4 times out of 5 since leaving Chelsea.

I'd still take him over the current incumbant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on May 08, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Next season I think Barclays should rename the 'Manager of the Month' award to the 'Flavour of the Month' award.  Lambert and Rodgers currently fall into that category and quite possibly it'll be Nigel Adkins and Brian McDermott next season.  Whilst not averse any of the aforementioned gentlemen taking over at the Villa, a large degree of football management success relies on luck, so I too am suspicious about this bandwagon style of recruitment.  If we are to replace Big Eck in the close season, and I have my doubts that we will, I'd rather we didn't go for the obvious and did our homework.  After all, who would have thought Alan Pardew would have done so well at Newcastle to emerge as a leading candidtate for Manager of the Year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 08, 2012, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 08, 2012, 11:43:26 AM
I have no doubt Lambert is a promising young manager, but he's bloody dour.

If it's Premier League experience I'd prefer Martinez or Di Matteo still.

Only going by his press conferences that's the impression I got too.  Quite antagonistic with the press anytime I've seen him, despite them giving him far more leeway than he'd get at a club where he's expected to win more than he loses.

But he was on Goals on Sunday with Chris Powell and that ex Leeds United twat, the nightmare who used to have a hair don't straight out of Coming to America.   Long and short of it is Lambert came across well. Spoke about taking his players over to Barcelona to watch Messi and co train, had spoken to Guardiola and so on and so on. Also seemed like decent craic, away from the stuffy atmosphere of a press conference. Not as precious as MON, for example.

He might have picked up some of the better traits of MON, but -because of his age and previous experience abroad- that (hopefully) wouldn't be his only reference point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 12:46:18 PM
Excellent post Paulie, sums up my thoughts entirely (as you so often do!)

Option 2 is utterly unappealing and would almost be the final straw for me, option 3 just won't happen or at least is very, very unlikely. Leaving us option 1 - the 'next big thing' is a very valid and true argument but a risk we probably have to take. When all is said or done, there is frequently very little rhyme or reason why a manager does well at a particular club
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on May 08, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Next season I think Barclays should rename the 'Manager of the Month' award to the 'Flavour of the Month' award.  Lambert and Rodgers currently fall into that category and it'll be Nigel Adkins or Brian McDermott next season. 

Brian McDermott looks like some kind of overgrown man-baby.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on May 08, 2012, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on May 08, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Next season I think Barclays should rename the 'Manager of the Month' award to the 'Flavour of the Month' award.  Lambert and Rodgers currently fall into that category and quite possibly it'll be Nigel Adkins or Brian McDermott next season.  Whilst not averse any of the aforementioned gentlemen taking over at the Villa, a large degree of football management success relies on luck, so I too am suspicious about this bandwagon style of recruitment.  If we are to replace Big Eck in the close season, and I have my doubts that we will, I'd rather we didn't go for the obvious and did our homework.  After all, who would have thought Alan Pardew would have done so well at Newcastle to emerge as a leading candidtate for Manager of the Year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on May 08, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Next season I think Barclays should rename the 'Manager of the Month' award to the 'Flavour of the Month' award.  Lambert and Rodgers currently fall into that category and it'll be Nigel Adkins or Brian McDermott next season. 

Brian McDermott looks like some kind of overgrown man-baby.


I was gobsmacked the other week to find out he is the same Brian McDermott who used to play for Arsenal as I have a recollection of a skinny player with longish black hair rolling one into the back of the net on a certain afternoon at Highbury as I watched on aghast from the Clock End...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 12:55:42 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke

It's weird that isn't it, having won the European Cup twice you'd have thought he'd have had to have visited Europe at some stage. However throughout his management career you'd have thought he'd never heard of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 08, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
Really don't see the attraction of Martinez.  For 80% of the season Wigan are truly awful.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 08, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke

From the bible that is Wicki.

Borussia Dortmund

In 1996, Lambert was signed by a manager and club he had played against for Motherwell in the UEFA Cup, Ottmar Hitzfeld of German Bundesliga side Borussia Dortmund. Hitzfeld deployed Lambert as the team's defensive midfielder. In Borussia winning the 1997 UEFA Champions League Final against Juventus, he played in midfield to quell the influence of Juve's French playmaker Zinedine Zidane.[1][2][3][4][5] Lambert's cross also set up Karl-Heinz Riedle's opening goal. Dortmund won 3–1. Lambert's contribution has since been suggested as a man of the match performance.[6] He became the first British player to win the European Cup with a non-UK team, and the first British player to win the Champions League since its inception. Lambert had scored en route to the final with a 1996–97 UEFA Champions League group stage goal, the opener in a 2–2 draw at Widzew Łódź. Lambert's performance in the semi final elimination of Manchester United was praised in the autobiography of Roy Keane.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 01:03:27 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 08, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
Really don't see the attraction of Martinez.  For 80% of the season Wigan are truly awful.

It's a fear I have aswell.  They still try and play good stuff for that 80%, but the results aren't there until crunch time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on May 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
I've a bad feeling McLeish will stay.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 08, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke

From the bible that is Wicki.

Borussia Dortmund

In 1996, Lambert was signed by a manager and club he had played against for Motherwell in the UEFA Cup, Ottmar Hitzfeld of German Bundesliga side Borussia Dortmund. Hitzfeld deployed Lambert as the team's defensive midfielder. In Borussia winning the 1997 UEFA Champions League Final against Juventus, he played in midfield to quell the influence of Juve's French playmaker Zinedine Zidane.[1][2][3][4][5] Lambert's cross also set up Karl-Heinz Riedle's opening goal. Dortmund won 3–1. Lambert's contribution has since been suggested as a man of the match performance.[6] He became the first British player to win the European Cup with a non-UK team, and the first British player to win the Champions League since its inception. Lambert had scored en route to the final with a 1996–97 UEFA Champions League group stage goal, the opener in a 2–2 draw at Widzew Łódź. Lambert's performance in the semi final elimination of Manchester United was praised in the autobiography of Roy Keane.



He was referring to O'Neill

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 08, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
I've a bad feeling McLeish will stay.

I don't think he is going anywhere soon either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on May 08, 2012, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 08, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke

From the bible that is Wicki.

Borussia Dortmund

In 1996, Lambert was signed by a manager and club he had played against for Motherwell in the UEFA Cup, Ottmar Hitzfeld of German Bundesliga side Borussia Dortmund. Hitzfeld deployed Lambert as the team's defensive midfielder. In Borussia winning the 1997 UEFA Champions League Final against Juventus, he played in midfield to quell the influence of Juve's French playmaker Zinedine Zidane.[1][2][3][4][5] Lambert's cross also set up Karl-Heinz Riedle's opening goal. Dortmund won 3–1. Lambert's contribution has since been suggested as a man of the match performance.[6] He became the first British player to win the European Cup with a non-UK team, and the first British player to win the Champions League since its inception. Lambert had scored en route to the final with a 1996–97 UEFA Champions League group stage goal, the opener in a 2–2 draw at Widzew Łódź. Lambert's performance in the semi final elimination of Manchester United was praised in the autobiography of Roy Keane.



He was referring to O'Neill


I was. Still an interesting read MV.

Paulie, I agree with your previous post. Its either a '1 or 3' option for me too.

I'd really like us to be ambitious and get a 'big name' manager, like Ranieri or Benitez. Just to lift the feeling around the club if anything.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on May 08, 2012, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
I've a bad feeling McLeish will stay.

I have a worrying feeling he has a relationship with our owner and his acolyte PF that Steve Kean has at with the owners at Blackburn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 08, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
I've a bad feeling McLeish will stay.
Me too. I felt pretty confident he was off after they released that statement post Bolton which indicated he may not be here following the last 2 matches. However the talk on the OS about Mcleish's plans for next season has set the alarm bells ringing. Surely they would just say nothing if he was off
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 08, 2012, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 08, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 08, 2012, 01:07:15 PM
I've a bad feeling McLeish will stay.

I don't think he is going anywhere soon either.

At least until Xmas I reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
I think he'll be gone later this month.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
I reckon he and Faulkner are close for sure. Probably judgement cloudingly so, and I think Faulkner, at least by the look of it, has the complete backing of Randy to run the show.

Football side wise, he isn't doing it too well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
I think he'll be gone later this month.

I don't know why but I'm more confident of that today. There is no way once they sit down and look at how the season has panned out that he can keep his job. He has done truly atrociously.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 08, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
I think he'll be gone later this month.

I don't know why but I'm more confident of that today. There is no way once they sit down and look at how the season has panned out that he can keep his job. He has done truly atrociously.

I had the same thoughts after Bolton, where i just felt there was no way back for him with the fans.

It might be interesting to see a poll added to this thread asking whether or not he WILL go?  Not your preference, but rather your prediction?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 08, 2012, 01:48:49 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 08, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 08, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 08, 2012, 12:36:12 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I think the Lambert - O'Neill comparison is based on nothing more than the Celtic/Wycombe/Norwich similar clubs thing.

Don't forget the glasses.

The big difference is Lambert played in Germany.

I don't think Martin has even heard of Germany.
He'd have been sat on the bench there when he picked up one of his two European Cup winners medals as a player, but don't let that get in the way of a joke

From the bible that is Wicki.

Borussia Dortmund

In 1996, Lambert was signed by a manager and club he had played against for Motherwell in the UEFA Cup, Ottmar Hitzfeld of German Bundesliga side Borussia Dortmund. Hitzfeld deployed Lambert as the team's defensive midfielder. In Borussia winning the 1997 UEFA Champions League Final against Juventus, he played in midfield to quell the influence of Juve's French playmaker Zinedine Zidane.[1][2][3][4][5] Lambert's cross also set up Karl-Heinz Riedle's opening goal. Dortmund won 3–1. Lambert's contribution has since been suggested as a man of the match performance.[6] He became the first British player to win the European Cup with a non-UK team, and the first British player to win the Champions League since its inception. Lambert had scored en route to the final with a 1996–97 UEFA Champions League group stage goal, the opener in a 2–2 draw at Widzew Łódź. Lambert's performance in the semi final elimination of Manchester United was praised in the autobiography of Roy Keane.



He was referring to O'Neill


I was. Still an interesting read MV.

Paulie, I agree with your previous post. Its either a '1 or 3' option for me too.

I'd really like us to be ambitious and get a 'big name' manager, like Ranieri or Benitez. Just to lift the feeling around the club if anything.
Sorry. Re-read the post now. That explains the reference to two European Cups.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 08, 2012, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 08, 2012, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
I think he'll be gone later this month.

I don't know why but I'm more confident of that today. There is no way once they sit down and look at how the season has panned out that he can keep his job. He has done truly atrociously.
Blues relegation didn't stop them employing him though.What did they actually expect?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 08, 2012, 01:51:08 PM
Comments re Martinez...

I would take him as head coach but only if we get a DOF!

Would Martinez want to work with a DOF? and who do you get?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 08, 2012, 02:02:17 PM
Martinez has done the job at Wigan. He can do the job! He would have the confidence of the fans if appointed. Will he leave Wigan? He said he would stay until he had doen his job there! I'd love him to decide Villa is a bigger challenge!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 02:07:00 PM
Every day that passes convinces me that Paul Lambert could achieve great things at Aston Villa. There's just something right about him and the villa job. People linking him to MON forget a few things: MON isn't a bad manager if you take away his ego, stubbornness and apparent inability to look outside Britain and Ireland for players. Lambert is not MON. He learned his trade in a totally different era, played in Germany and has experience of the modern day Champion's League.

I don't think Rodgers or Martinez have been properly tested yet. Lambert has been a success as both a manager and a player. He has experience of European football, he knows what it takes to compete at the very top. This for me gives him a clear edge.

Martinez and Rodgers have never had to try and impose their will on seasoned Premier League Pros at a big club. Granted, neither has Lambert, but he can point to things our senior pros can't, like his CL medal. I think he could build something at villa if given the time.

Go and get him Randy!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

My preference is still Lambert, and I believe he is both gettable and would relish the challenge!

I am, however, having increasing doubts that McLeech will go. Please prove me wrong on that Randy!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 08, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

My preference is still Lambert, and I believe he is both gettable and would relish the challenge!

I am, however, having increasing doubts that McLeech will go. Please prove me wrong on that Randy!

I think Martinez is out of contract this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 08, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

My preference is still Lambert, and I believe he is both gettable and would relish the challenge!

I am, however, having increasing doubts that McLeech will go. Please prove me wrong on that Randy!

I think Martinez is out of contract this summer.

No, he isn't IZ, he just signed a new one last year which is why he was loyal to them I believe! I might be wrong on that, but I heard what Whelan said last night right enough!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 08, 2012, 02:38:46 PM
Martinez is gettable imo. He will be losing Moses this Summer as he won't sign a new deal and they won't have the funds to move on. If Randy backs him and gives him total ownership of the footballing side of the Villa I think he would be seriously tempted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 08, 2012, 02:40:42 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 08, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

My preference is still Lambert, and I believe he is both gettable and would relish the challenge!

I am, however, having increasing doubts that McLeech will go. Please prove me wrong on that Randy!

I think Martinez is out of contract this summer.

No, he isn't IZ, he just signed a new one last year which is why he was loyal to them I believe! I might be wrong on that, but I heard what Whelan said last night right enough!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2128493/Wigan-stick-Roberto-Martinez-says-Dave-Whelan.html

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has promised to stick with manager Roberto Martinez for as long as he can, despite growing speculation the Spaniard will be free to walk away from the club next month.

Sportsmail understands that the improved contract Martinez was offered when he rejected the chance to join Aston Villa last summer remains unsigned, meaning he will be a free agent when his current deal runs out at the end of the season.

Whelan and Martinez, who continue to enjoy a close relationship, are believed to have a gentlemen’s agreement allowing the 38-year-old to leave the DW Stadium and join another club in the Barclays Premier League.

But the sense of loyalty that led to Martinez staying at the club last summer could yet see the highly rated young manager stay for a fourth year.

The contract remains on the table with Martinez’s concerns over the terms offered to his backroom staff believed to be behind his reluctance to sign.

The possibility of Whelan selling the club this summer and a number of senior players being out of contract could also be factors. He has been offered a sizeable bonus to keep Wigan in the top flight but, irrespective of how the season turns out, there is a growing feeling he will look for a new challenge.

However, Whelan and Martinez are keen to maintain a united front while Wigan still have a chance of staying up. ‘I will stick with Roberto for as long as I can,’ Whelan said on Wednesday.


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 02:46:08 PM
If the board are stupid enough to keep Mcleish, they are up there with the most incompetant bunch of clowns ever to run a football club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
I bow to your greater knowledge IZ, in which case Whelan is a bigger clown that I thought giving that interview!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 08, 2012, 03:00:02 PM
The interesting thing for Martinez is that his stock will never be higher than it is now if he stays at Wigan. He has beaten United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and pulled them back from the brink playing fantastic football.

I think he needs to leave this summer to progress himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheSandman on May 08, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
I think if he's being sensible Martinez will leave Wigan this summer. He's done well keeping them in the league in the past two seasons on a small budget but there is only so long that you can do that. If he's smart, he'll know that Wigan will eventually go down sooner rather than later. Probably next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 08, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
Nick Barmby is available now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 05:00:58 PM
Should of got Maradona while we had the chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 08, 2012, 05:08:09 PM
I quite like Madonna
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
Is that the fallen Madonna wiz ze big boobies? Allo, Allo!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 08, 2012, 05:08:09 PM
I quite like Madonna

If you're young enough she may adopt you!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

Whelan actually said - and this is true - he'd let Martinez "go to one of the biggest European clubs".

Ha ha ha. That's like me telling Mrs Walnuts, "OK, love, I give you my permission to go and shag Brad Pitt".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
Can you imagine the comments from Dave Whelan if we were to approach Martinez again, probably something along the lines of "Why would Martinez want to take a step down. Have you seen the Premier League table?"

I can only see us interested in Lambert and with Paul Faulkner being a Norwich City fan, you'd expect he's been tracking his progress.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 08, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 08, 2012, 05:08:09 PM
I quite like Madonna

If you're young enough she may adopt you!

That made me chuckle !!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

Whelan actually said - and this is true - he'd let Martinez "go to one of the biggest European clubs".

Ha ha ha. That's like me telling Mrs Walnuts, "OK, love, I give you my permission to go and shag Brad Pitt".

In the same vein, apparently the Paul Scholes to Villa deal is off as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 08, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

Whelan actually said - and this is true - he'd let Martinez "go to one of the biggest European clubs".

Ha ha ha. That's like me telling Mrs Walnuts, "OK, love, I give you my permission to go and shag Brad Pitt".

In the same vein, apparently the Paul Scholes to Villa deal is off as well.
Any news on Juninho ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 08, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 08, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

Whelan actually said - and this is true - he'd let Martinez "go to one of the biggest European clubs".

Ha ha ha. That's like me telling Mrs Walnuts, "OK, love, I give you my permission to go and shag Brad Pitt".

In the same vein, apparently the Paul Scholes to Villa deal is off as well.
Any news on Juninho ?

Forget Juninho, I'm still waiting for an update on Hans Krankl.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 08, 2012, 05:53:52 PM
I don't like the idea of a manager who has already turned us down once already, so I'd much prefer Lambert to Martinez.  Indeed I preferred Lambert to Martinez before they eventually appointed McLeish.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
Seeing as the thread is going that way, have we had a bit accepted for Christian Vieri yet?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 08, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
I've seen Carlton Palmer heading into the Belfry (honest...)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 08, 2012, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
Seeing as the thread is going that way, have we had a bit accepted for Christian Vieri yet?

Yep,along with one for Benni McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 08, 2012, 06:26:48 PM
I’m erring towards Lambert despite his similarities with MON.  One thing that gives me hope that his football can evolve (and even now it is not a one dimensional as MON, often changing formations during matches etc) is his history in Germany and the fact that he took his badges there.

Reading interviews he appears to hold the German philosophy in very high regard so I’d imagine he is monitoring their coaching and tactic.  I’d hope that this could lead to villa becoming a mini Germany, getting the whole club playing “klinsmann’s” 4231.  He was also singing the praises of Sammer (Germany’s Technical Director) so I’d like to think he would be open to the idea of working with a technical director at Villa. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanois on May 08, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 02:22:06 PM
Dave Whelan stated on R5 last night after the game that Martinez was going nowhere, aka, he'll be expensive to get to talk to. We all know what Whelan is like and he'll have a laugh at us all over again if we go back there now. No thanks.

Whelan actually said - and this is true - he'd let Martinez "go to one of the biggest European clubs".

Ha ha ha. That's like me telling Mrs Walnuts, "OK, love, I give you my permission to go and shag Brad Pitt".
This is Brad, can you pm me a couple of recent photos ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hulkamania on May 08, 2012, 06:37:40 PM
Does anybody know why Gareth Barry didn't take that penalty?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 08, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
I've seen Carlton Palmer heading into the Belfry (honest...)

You are mistaken WV, it was in fact Jermaine Defoe
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Ranieri being interviewed for the WBA job....

Bit of a John Gregory about him, teams go on long unbeaten runs then something goes wrong and they can't win for 3 months!

This has pretty much happened at all the clubs he's been at but still would be an upgrade on McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 08, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
A Trabant with no wheels would be an 'upgrade' on AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 08, 2012, 10:27:29 PM
Barry Austin is an upgrade from Alex McLeish as well.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2012, 10:30:46 PM
So is Austin Powers .Oh BABY!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Martinez is favourite at the moment in the odds isn't he, by a distance? Not that it means anything!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 10:38:05 PM
There's a good manager in Martinez somewhere but there must be a reason why Wigan don't pull their finger out until March every season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Hughton.
Just to shut the fu**ers up who keep saying our attitude towards AM is because of where he came from!

And he has "prem experience"!!??!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
I thought Hughton would be nailed on for Boggies but apparently they're chasing Ranieri now. Ah well. Still Lambert for me, FWIW!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 01:03:39 AM
A manager that does not think the answer to our problems in midfield is Karl Henry please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Perry Barr Pet on May 09, 2012, 01:50:06 AM
A manager who does not think that the best way to attack is to defend, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 09, 2012, 02:05:16 AM
A mate from Wigan says Martinez has committed himself for another few years there..So look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on May 09, 2012, 09:37:53 AM
Its got to be rafa benitez with whats left out there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
I'd be delighted with Benetiz but can't see it. I just want Mcleish out of the door, it's critical to Villa's future that he goes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 09:46:33 AM
Benitez wanted cash last summer, he is hardly likely to be any different this. He was my first choice and still would be but would require decent backing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Martinez is favourite at the moment in the odds isn't he, by a distance? Not that it means anything!

Randy & Co let so little slip out that they probably haven't a clue and Martinez is favourite based purely on our prior interest in him.

And I share Clampy's concerns about why his Wigan side needs to be up sheet creak before they reach for the paddle!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Martinez is favourite at the moment in the odds isn't he, by a distance? Not that it means anything!

Randy & Co let so little slip out that they probably haven't a clue and Martinez is favourite based purely on our prior interest in him.

And I share Clampy's concerns about why his Wigan side needs to be up sheet creak before they reach for the paddle!

Normally I'd agree, but at least his team tries to play football and also since it's replacing Mcleish I'd risk it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 09, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Martinez is favourite at the moment in the odds isn't he, by a distance? Not that it means anything!

Randy & Co let so little slip out that they probably haven't a clue and Martinez is favourite based purely on our prior interest in him.

And I share Clampy's concerns about why his Wigan side needs to be up sheet creak before they reach for the paddle!

Normally I'd agree, but at least his team tries to play football and also since it's replacing Mcleish I'd risk it.

Lets be honest - very few managers we could name would not be seen as any improvement from AM right now.  So, do we just settle for that or look for the best available candidate?

To me, taking a manager like Martinez, who has a question mark over him, would mean the potential to be in a similar position in 12 months time and end up looking for a new man AGAIN.  Now that is of course a possibility whoever we appoint, but I'd be dismayed if they had a similar mentality of "Doesn't matter who we get and they'll just be glad Alex has gone."

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 10:02:39 AM
There's definitely an element of that John.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 09, 2012, 10:07:49 AM
I'd just like to give a big thumbs up to Len Fairclough at this stage in the proceedings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 09, 2012, 10:10:24 AM
me too with Rita cleaning his balls
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 10:16:05 AM
Its vital they decide on the sort of football they think we should be playing and get the best available candidate to suit. Then stick with that philosophy. I just wonder if they even know the difference between a Rodgers or Martinez or a McLeish or... Pulis. I hope so.

They must know we've had a gutful of this turgid football now and try and get a guy in who knows how to entertain but its pointless if they then do another about face (Houllier - McLeish).

But any manager we now go for will have a question mark or two over them. We're not in the position to go for the most proven at the moment.

I have doubts about certain apsects of Martinez but after this season I'm more than willing to take any risk just to see something less soul destroying and spirit sapping on a Saturday afternoon.
And its true than any reasonable manager will have a huge wave of goodwill to surf on. Because he's not McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 09, 2012, 10:18:22 AM
The twat who sits next to me at the ground was loudly telling no-one in particular how he'd get either Gareth Southgate or Glenn Hoddle. Oh, how we laughed!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 10:24:02 AM
A dream team of Glenn Hoddle and Stephen Hawking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 10:25:21 AM
Andy Gray and Karen Brady?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 10:43:34 AM
I know he's been asked before but Moyes is yet to have discussions with Everton,a fifty million war chest could get him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Bernie Clifton for me.

You'd soon forget about being 4-0 down at home to Wigan as he jumped up from the dug out in his always amusing ostrich outfit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
What about Hulk Hogan? I want to see some passion on the sidelines and him ripping his shirt off and giving the ref the death eyes and point would be just the ticket. And if he had to kick Kenny Dalglish in the back then that's a bonus.
I'm sure the Holte would love to see him cup his ear to them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Will.i.am?

Our performances would be 'dope' and 'fly'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 09, 2012, 11:34:23 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 09, 2012, 10:18:22 AM
The twat who sits next to me at the ground was loudly telling no-one in particular how he'd get either Gareth Southgate or Glenn Hoddle. Oh, how we laughed!

Wasn't Faulkner or Randy was it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 09, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 10:16:05 AM
Its vital they decide on the sort of football they think we should be playing and get the best available candidate to suit. Then stick with that philosophy. I just wonder if they even know the difference between a Rodgers or Martinez or a McLeish or... Pulis. I hope so.


The problem as I see it is there is no footballing philosophy.  And why should there be when the owner and CEO have no pedigree in the game.  The only criteria I see coming from them is 'must have managed in the premier'.  It needs to be far, far more than that.

For the umpteenth time we will be starting over again with a new man next season, his ideas, his style and his type of players.  This would be very welcome short term, long term we will be as far away from an football philosophy as we ever were.  Until we instill that we will be saying the same things year in year out.  But it's so basic, look at Barcelona and their style, it wont matter who manages them they will play the same way.  Closer to home, ManU too have a way of playing as have Spurs.  Of course they have better players than us but they have had their style for many a year and just top up when the right or better players become available.

We need to develop a Villa style.  A style that is the same what ever level we are performing at.  We need a manager who can bring that to the club and instill his methods throughout the club at every level.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 09, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Will.i.am?

Our performances would be 'dope' and 'fly'

How would we get the big chair in the dug out?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 09, 2012, 11:44:47 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
What about Hulk Hogan? I want to see some passion on the sidelines and him ripping his shirt off and giving the ref the death eyes and point would be just the ticket. And if he had to kick Kenny Dalglish in the back then that's a bonus.
I'm sure the Holte would love to see him cup his ear to them.

LOL!!!

I like the idea of him reffering to the villa failthful as "Hulkamaniacs"  in the press interviews
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
What about Hulk Hogan? I want to see some passion on the sidelines and him ripping his shirt off and giving the ref the death eyes and point would be just the ticket. And if he had to kick Kenny Dalglish in the back then that's a bonus.
I'm sure the Holte would love to see him cup his ear to them.

I'd love to see him take a folding chair and run up the steps while Lerner's back is turned, and wrap it round his head.*



*In a totally fake American wrestling not-actually-violent way, of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 09, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Will.i.am?

Our performances would be 'dope' and 'fly'

Problem is he don't got tactics...

He got tictacs cos he fresh!  Holler!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2012, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 09, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Will.i.am?

Our performances would be 'dope' and 'fly'

How would we get the big chair in the dug out?

Not for me as he faces away from the action until it sounds interesting. Actually, that could be a plan for us all next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 09, 2012, 05:35:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 09, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Martinez is favourite at the moment in the odds isn't he, by a distance? Not that it means anything!

Randy & Co let so little slip out that they probably haven't a clue and Martinez is favourite based purely on our prior interest in him.

And I share Clampy's concerns about why his Wigan side needs to be up sheet creak before they reach for the paddle!

Normally I'd agree, but at least his team tries to play football and also since it's replacing Mcleish I'd risk it.

Lets be honest - very few managers we could name would not be seen as any improvement from AM right now.  So, do we just settle for that or look for the best available candidate?

To me, taking a manager like Martinez, who has a question mark over him, would mean the potential to be in a similar position in 12 months time and end up looking for a new man AGAIN.  Now that is of course a possibility whoever we appoint, but I'd be dismayed if they had a similar mentality of "Doesn't matter who we get and they'll just be glad Alex has gone."




you could probably say that about any manager though,
 whoever we bring in there will be an element of risk,
appointing a manager is the biggest decision a chairman has to do, most get it wrong on many occasions, look at Chelsea and they have piles of money.

timing is usually the most important thing, ie Lambert and Rogers are high in the wish list right now, whereas Coyle was a little while ago, you can bet that if Rogers has a season like Bolton next year no one will be talking about him.

thats why a managers football philosophy is key, its what he beleives in no matter what,
when Martinez went on a 8 game losing streak, they asked him if he would change his style, he said no way, he beleived in the way he sets his teams up, they went on to beat, Man Utd, Arsenal, liverpool etc

its that belief in a style and system that we need to build at Villa, i'm not saying it has to be Martinez there are others, including Owen Coyle as it happens,
 but there is definitely a sea change in the way football is played in the prem, old school managera like Allardyce, hughes, Moyes, Mcleish, Bruce, Mcarthy, Pullis etc are being and will be replaced by more modern thinking managers like lambert, Rogers, Martinez, Coyle, it is good to see,

 thats why i will be rooting for Bolton to stay up and QPR to go down, i want the new style managers to have success as it will breed a better and more exciting prem league
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
I agree John, although I reckon some of the ones you mention are/ will adapt to play good football, Everton especially I have seen play some super stuff at times under Moyes. The others, I give you are very formulaic in the way they approach a system and style of play, but Coyle and Lambert are not adverse to a good game of hoof and hope from what I have seen. I think the key to being a good manager is to be adaptable system wise while being willing to play a different way if need be. Ferguson has been brilliant at it over the years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 09, 2012, 06:22:54 PM
I think Hughes' sides can often vary it between playing the game the right way and having a bit of a nasty streak. 

I don't think Coyle is any sort of puritan when it comes to good football either, and in a game and a half against his lot, they were easily the worst side we faced this season.  When a team looks bad against us they must be shite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I'm not defending AMcL, but, given the hand he was dealt do you think another manager would have faired any better with the players available and no money to strengthen the squad?
There's no way a top drawer coach would have touched us, Benitez & Ancelotti, without money to spend and i'm not altogether sure the likes of Martinez, Coyle or Hughes would have faired any better than AMcL.
I still think the senior players have trouble changing from MO'Ns style.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 09, 2012, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 09, 2012, 06:22:54 PM
I think Hughes' sides can often vary it between playing the game the right way and having a bit of a nasty streak. 

I don't think Coyle is any sort of puritan when it comes to good football either, and in a game and a half against his lot, they were easily the worst side we faced this season.  When a team looks bad against us they must be shite.

I was told the other day that Owen Coyle was a 'nasty piece of work'. And no, it wasn't by a Burnley fan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I'm not defending AMcL, but, given the hand he was dealt do you think another manager would have faired any better with the players available and no money to strengthen the squad?
Yes.

McLeish spent more in the summer than Norwich or Swansea have spent in the last decade. They have seemed to cope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I'm not defending AMcL, but, given the hand he was dealt do you think another manager would have faired any better with the players available and no money to strengthen the squad?
Yes.

McLeish spent more in the summer than Norwich or Swansea have spent in the last decade. They have seemed to cope.
He also had our 2 best players (and with it Bent's supply line) and our midfield anchor sold before he even started.
The money he spent wasn't strengthening the squad!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I'm not defending AMcL, but, given the hand he was dealt do you think another manager would have faired any better with the players available and no money to strengthen the squad?
Yes.

McLeish spent more in the summer than Norwich or Swansea have spent in the last decade. They have seemed to cope.
He also had our 2 best players (and with it Bent's supply line) and our midfield anchor sold before he even started.
The money he spent wasn't strengthening the squad!
I didn't say it was. I was pointing out the fallacy of saying that he had no money to spend.

He spent £20m. He just didn't spend it particularly wisely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MONCABA on May 09, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
Would anybody fancy Hughton?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 09, 2012, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: MONCABA on May 09, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
Would anybody fancy Hughton?
Yes.
For two reasons:
1. he's a good tactician

2. just to show those who know nothing that our attitude to AM is nothing to do with where he came from
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
Yep. Fair play to him he got them doing much better this season than I thought they would. I had them as been stuck near the bottom of the table all season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Cuz on May 09, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
I remember years ago reading that his favourite  away ground was Villa Park, but no thanks Lamberto for me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 09, 2012, 10:05:51 PM
Hughton's done really well there, especially with all the games they ended up playing.

I think he'll want to move on to a big club now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 09, 2012, 10:15:49 PM
Hughton was (one of the many) on my original wish list. Think he's exactly what we need - a good young manager who's done really well in trying circumstances down the road and shows real promise for the future. His treatment by Newcastle was disgraceful
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 09, 2012, 10:27:10 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 09, 2012, 10:15:49 PM
Hughton was (one of the many) on my original wish list. Think he's exactly what we need - a good young manager who's done really well in trying circumstances down the road and shows real promise for the future. His treatment by Newcastle was disgraceful

He's 53
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 11:39:42 PM
If I was to go for a manager out of the Championship it would be between Poyet and Holloway. I know Holloway opens his mouth a lot, but I think he would do a really really good job with us, and get us playing decent football too.

Poyet has done well at Brighton, always seemed a tough player and would come in very well connected, so may have a clue about scouting etc, and also may not be adverse to the director of football idea.

Interesting to see Roeder has turned down the managers job in some Greek club to stay as our scout, I wonder if he could take on a more technical role within the club with some success. Would never want him as manager, but maybe he could oversee the scouting and football side of things.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 10, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 11:39:42 PM

Interesting to see Roeder has turned down the managers job in some Greek club to stay as our scout, I wonder if he could take on a more technical role within the club with some success. Would never want him as manager, but maybe he could oversee the scouting and football side of things.

You all mocked, but I told you so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 12:16:30 AM
Some mocked, some thought he was helping out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 10, 2012, 12:23:21 AM
One day his true worth will be seen. Roeder is the Man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2012, 12:25:42 AM
Stick it to da man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 10, 2012, 12:30:40 AM
Quote from: Cuz on May 09, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
I remember years ago reading that his favourite  away ground was Villa Park, but no thanks Lamberto for me

Everybody says they love Villa Park. Sir Ferguson, Bent and countless others have listed VP as their favourite away ground. We need to make it a Villa fortress again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2012, 12:48:37 AM
Gus Poyet starting to get thrown around in the midlands manager merry-go-round.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: joe_c on May 10, 2012, 12:50:48 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 10, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 09, 2012, 11:39:42 PM

Interesting to see Roeder has turned down the managers job in some Greek club to stay as our scout, I wonder if he could take on a more technical role within the club with some success. Would never want him as manager, but maybe he could oversee the scouting and football side of things.

You all mocked, but I told you so.

Why not take out a small advert to that effect in the Evening Mail? I understand they are all the rage right now.

I had no idea he was on the books. When did this happen?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on May 10, 2012, 06:40:50 AM
Quote from: MONCABA on May 09, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
Would anybody fancy Hughton?


Not my type, but hey it's 2012, live and let live i say
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 09, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
I'm not defending AMcL, but, given the hand he was dealt do you think another manager would have faired any better with the players available and no money to strengthen the squad?
Yes.

McLeish spent more in the summer than Norwich or Swansea have spent in the last decade. They have seemed to cope.
He also had our 2 best players (and with it Bent's supply line) and our midfield anchor sold before he even started.
The money he spent wasn't strengthening the squad!
I didn't say it was. I was pointing out the fallacy of saying that he had no money to spend.

He spent £20m. He just didn't spend it particularly wisely.
I see what you're saying Dave, and I agree that it's a fallacy, saying that he's had no money to spend.
What I'm getting at is: We needed 6 or 7 players to strengthen the squad after losing so many,  but he wasn't given the funds. We got 3 players that didn't even bring us to the level (quality wise) we were the previous season.
You say he didn't spend it wisely, but, Given we all accept is a good buy. N'Zogbia, I think 95% of Villa fans (not me I hasten to add) wanted him. We needed him to hit the ground running, but, he's struggled to say the least.
Hutton, hmmm, we were desparate for a right back with Luke Y going back to London. My concern with him is lack of pace.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 10, 2012, 08:50:30 AM
There's a smell in the air and by Jove, it's the odour of Roeder.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

He has after all won a European Trophy as manager.*










*I know it was the Intertoto but they're all the same these days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 10, 2012, 08:58:34 AM
My concern with Hutton is a lack of ability!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on May 10, 2012, 09:04:33 AM
Quote from: MONCABA on May 09, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
Would anybody fancy Hughton?

Yep he makes a mockery of McLeish's excuses, wouldn't be my first choice but I would like him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 10, 2012, 09:13:28 AM
We all know about Roeder's disasterous spells at West Ham, Newcastle and Norwich, but his earlier career was just as appalling.

Gillingham
 
Roeder spent one season as player-manager of Gillingham, during which time he led the side to 13 wins in 51 games and saw them finish second from bottom of the Football League, escaping relegation after winning against bottom club Halifax Town in the penultimate fixture of the season.
 
Watford
 
After Steve Perryman left to join Tottenham Hotspur, Roeder was hired as the new manager of his former club Watford at the start of the 1993–94 season. However, Watford were fined £10,000 for an illegal approach, and ordered to pay Gillingham a further £30,000 in compensation. In his second season with Watford he almost took the side to the play-offs, eventually finishing just two places outside them. However, he was sacked in February 1996 as the side were struggling at the bottom of the First Division. His replacement, Graham Taylor, was unable to prevent the side from being relegated. During his time at Vicarage Road he signed Kevin Phillips from local Hertfordshire team, Baldock Town for only £10,000.

Burnley
 
Roeder followed his tenure at Watford by taking a season away from the limelight, assuming a back seat role as Chris Waddle's assistant manager at Burnley. The partnership did not prove to be successful and the pair narrowly avoided steering Burnley into the bottom tier of English football. Only a home victory over Plymouth Argyle on the last day staved off the spectre of relegation. Roeder proved to be both an unpopular and controversial figure to the Burnley fans, hitting a low point when he was reported to have said that star-player Glen Little was "not fit to lace the boots" of manager Chris Waddle. Roeder left his role at Burnley alongside Waddle when the pair departed the club after only a single season in charge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
I am fairly sure no one would put him forward as manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 10, 2012, 09:20:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
I am fairly sure no one would put him forward as manager.
I wouldn't put him forward to clean the skidders off the Holte End Khazis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
I am fairly sure no one would put him forward as manager.

Correct. I'd take Benitiz, Ranieri, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez, Poyet, Di Matteo, Van Basten or Schaaf. Those are also perfectly attainable targets and should be looked at.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simon Jones on May 10, 2012, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
I am fairly sure no one would put him forward as manager.

I thought that about the current incumbent !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
I am fairly sure no one would put him forward as manager.

Correct. I'd take Benitiz, Ranieri, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez, Poyet, Di Matteo, Van Basten or Schaaf. Those are also perfectly attainable targets and should be looked at.

I think the attainability will be defined by the budget.  So, if we're looking at another season of austerity, forget the higher profile names on your list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Talk sport just said Poyet was believed to be heading to the Midlands to interview with a premier league team...

Cant imagine its villa as Big Eck has not yet been sacked, but the baggies seem to make better moves than us of late with Hodgson & Di Matteo!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
Interesting summer. It may well be that Villa, Boggies, B-Lose and Dogheads all appoint new managers! Has that happened in the same summer before?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 11:56:21 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Talk sport just said Poyet was believed to be heading to the Midlands to interview with a premier league team...

Cant imagine its villa as Big Eck has not yet been sacked, but the baggies seem to make better moves than us of late with Hodgson & Di Matteo!


i heard that,  i am assuming its WBA as they are still in the Prem

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:59:13 AM
I would like to see holloway... he came across really well in his post match interview last night, not the pain he was the year before in Prem, and I like what he does....

Champagne football on a lager budget!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
According to him, we're a half-arsed club that used to be famous. So he can fuck off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Unlike him of course, who is a half arsed c*** that's never been famous!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on May 10, 2012, 12:03:55 PM
Fuck it, give it to Keegan.We may well get beat but at least we'll see a Villa team having a go at scoring a goal
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 12:04:53 PM
Its also part of what he does, He cant possibly think that he was just trying to keep his best player and it worked!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 10, 2012, 12:29:40 PM
Holloway? No way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on May 10, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Roy Keane anyone?

There would be no problems getting a letter from Ferguson...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 10, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
You say he didn't spend it wisely, but, Given we all accept is a good buy. N'Zogbia, I think 95% of Villa fans (not me I hasten to add) wanted him. We needed him to hit the ground running, but, he's struggled to say the least.
Hutton, hmmm, we were desparate for a right back with Luke Y going back to London. My concern with him is lack of pace.
1) I'd say he was perfectly acceptable. But if we were so fretful about transfer fees and wages then play Guzan. Spend a million on Vorm. Use a bit of imagination. Given's a decent enough keeper, but if he is going to be a quarter of our transfer budget and a load more wages that we can't afford then don't do it.

2) Just because lots of people wanted him doesn't make him a good signing. The manager is paid enough to identify people who will work. Lots of Man Utd fans wanted Veron. Lots of Villa fans wanted Collymore. Lots of Chelsea fans wanted Shevchenko. Doesn't mean they were money well spent.

3) Lichaj? Herd? Cuellar? Beye? The same point applies as to Given. I don't think any of them would have been perfect. But again, he has to prioritize. If he wants to spend £4m on a fifth player in the squad who is capable (which itself is debatable) of playing right-back then he can't really whinge when we don't have any strikers anymore.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 10, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:59:13 AM
I would like to see holloway... he came across really well in his post match interview last night, not the pain he was the year before in Prem, and I like what he does....

Champagne football on a lager budget!

He's a wanker. No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 10, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
According to him, we're a half-arsed club that used to be famous. So he can fuck off.


right at this moment thats exactly what we are,
 we want someone who can rebuild us back to what we can be, not someone who thinks we are doing great as it is and there is no room for much improvement.

i like guys who say it as it is, and not the normal horseshit that they normaly come out with just to get a job, ie 'i'm going to play attacking football especially at home'

i'd rather someone come in and say 'yes its shit here at the moment, but i'm going to change that'
did you know when Shankly went to Liverpool he called it the biggest toilet in football, but he believed he could change that, and did.

thats what we need, a straight talker with a vision



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 10, 2012, 12:40:26 PM
Roy Keane anyone?

There would be no problems getting a letter from Ferguson...

NO! And I doubt that Fergie would give us a letter about him, they have fallen out this year! Awwww.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2012, 12:47:23 PM
Poyet, Martinez or Lambert would be an improvement IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: glasses on May 10, 2012, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: john e on May 10, 2012, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 10, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
According to him, we're a half-arsed club that used to be famous. So he can fuck off.


right at this moment thats exactly what we are,
 we want someone who can rebuild us back to what we can be, not someone who thinks we are doing great as it is and there is no room for much improvement.

i like guys who say it as it is, and not the normal horseshit that they normaly come out with just to get a job, ie 'i'm going to play attacking football especially at home'

i'd rather someone come in and say 'yes its shit here at the moment, but i'm going to change that'
did you know when Shankly went to Liverpool he called it the biggest toilet in football, but he believed he could change that, and did.

thats what we need, a straight talker with a vision




I agree with you John, but I don't think Holloway is who you describe
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
According to the Mail Villa, Wolves and Albion are in for Poyet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
According to the Mail Villa, Wolves and Albion are in for Poyet.

With any luck they may be proved right somewhere in there!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 10, 2012, 12:57:41 PM
He new Hutton better than we did and he still bought him, Tries his hardest but he is a very ordinary footballer more suited to lower leagues. Don't want him anywhere near a serious spend.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 12:59:22 PM
As long as we're in for someone I'll be happy, it means Mcleish is on his way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:00:20 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 10, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:59:13 AM
I would like to see holloway... he came across really well in his post match interview last night, not the pain he was the year before in Prem, and I like what he does....

Champagne football on a lager budget!

He's a wanker. No thanks.

I think that should be the staple answer anytime he's suggesteded in this thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 10, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
According to the Mail Villa, Wolves and Albion are in for Poyet.

With any luck they may be proved right somewhere in there!


reminds me of a fella round here who has the winner of the National every year, his brother told me its true but he does back most of the field
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: john e on May 10, 2012, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 10, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
According to the Mail Villa, Wolves and Albion are in for Poyet.

With any luck they may be proved right somewhere in there!


reminds me of a fella round here who has the winner of the National every year, his brother told me its true but he does back most of the field
#

Football transfer speculation is often compared to darts:-  throw enough at the board and you'll get a bullseye eventually.  In this case I think the Mail just decided to throw a couple of darts in one go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 01:27:09 PM
Interesting bit of insight regarding Pail Lambert on a Norwich forum:

Quote
Lambert may be manager of this club, but throughout his career he openly admits that HE is indebted to Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa. And why is this - because they are recognised as two of the brightest young coaches in the game, and tactically our game plans are a combination of the three working together which has brought the success in the last three years. Lambert is an exceptional man manager, that is his best forte, so our greatest loss would be the coaches - if of course they decided to go with Lambert should he leave. Lambert HAS NOT taken us to where we are alone, and credit should be given our coaches too!

Let's hope if we do go for him we get the full package and don't repeat the same error we made when appointing Houllier without Patrice Bergues.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
RE Holloway...

Yes he is a Wanker however:

He will use the Youth
He will have us playing nice football
He works well on a small budget
He Isnt afraid of the big boys
He will make us climb the table

I am willing to forget the villa comments for the abve (he was out of order)

Is it jsut most people cant get over the comments or dont think he would achive the above or both?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
If Lambert is indeed MON-lite, then are Culverhouse and Karsa the new 'Bibs & Cones'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
RE Holloway...

Yes he is a Wanker however:

He will use the Youth
He will have us playing nice football


Did he refer to us a a half arsed club or the people running it as half arsed
He works well on a small budget
He Isnt afraid of the big boys
He will make us climb the table

I am willing to forget the villa comments for the abve (he was out of order)

Is it jsut most people cant get over the comments or dont think he would achive the above or both?

Did he refer to us a a half arsed club or the people running it as half arsed

I think he would be really good for us  :-[
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
If Lambert is indeed MON-lite, then are Culverhouse and Karsa the new 'Bibs & Cones'?

I keep telling you John, Lambert is a thinking man's MON. Captain Caveman is MON-lite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 10, 2012, 01:50:23 PM
No matter how much it's discussed, and this thread continuing, we all know AM will be here until at the start of next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
If Lambert is indeed MON-lite, then are Culverhouse and Karsa the new 'Bibs & Cones'?

I keep telling you John, Lambert is a thinking man's MON. Captain Caveman is MON-lite.

In that case we can get the Teen Angles as coaches!!

Seriously though, I do like Lambert and think he's the right manager for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 10, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Cant we just do a swap deal with the filth for Hughton...they get McMinge back plus we get a refund on our compensation. Surely its just like taking a poorly fitting shirt back to Burtons? lol  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:52:27 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 10, 2012, 01:50:23 PM
No matter how much it's discussed, and this thread continuing, we all know AM will be here until at the start of next season.

Do we?

I don't KNOW for sure either way, but I'd lean towards him going if I had to put money on it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 10, 2012, 01:50:23 PM
No matter how much it's discussed, and this thread continuing, we all know AM will be here until at the start of next season.

noooo you have to believe nooooooo  :'(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 10, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Cant we just do a swap deal with the filth for Hughton...they get McMinge back plus we get a refund on our compensation. Surely its just like taking a poorly fitting shirt back to Burtons? lol  ;D

yes but the shirt is now inside out and you have wiped your arse with it 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2012, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 10, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Cant we just do a swap deal with the filth for Hughton...they get McMinge back plus we get a refund on our compensation. Surely its just like taking a poorly fitting shirt back to Burtons? lol  ;D

Can we please not. I know he's done well at Newcastle and that lot, but I think for our own collective sanity can we look a bit further afield and find a manager that is not linked to that lot. I just want a break from reading "Former Birmingham manager....." at the start of a sentence when reading about us. And I would certainly entertain an up and coming name from abroad. Why should we just be linked to domestic names?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 10, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Cant we just do a swap deal with the filth for Hughton...they get McMinge back plus we get a refund on our compensation. Surely its just like taking a poorly fitting shirt back to Burtons? lol  ;D

Paying to take him from there and then paying to send him back?  Now that would make Randy popular around here!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
If Lambert is indeed MON-lite, then are Culverhouse and Karsa the new 'Bibs & Cones'?

I keep telling you John, Lambert is a thinking man's MON. Captain Caveman is MON-lite.

In that case we can get the Teen Angles as coaches!!

Seriously though, I do like Lambert and think he's the right manager for us.

Reading a couple of Norwich forums, most reluctantly agree he'd be perfect for us. He will demand some money to spend though. It's the main reason why he's likely to quit Norwich, they in his words can't compete with Southampton or Reading this summer in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 01:59:14 PM
so it is decided then all hail Paul   :P
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
It could be a fun afternoon on Sunday.

Not going myself, but I can imagine our away fans singing a few Lambert songs and winding the Norwich crowd up!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tony Boucher on May 10, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
I don't want Hughton - I don't care enough about other peoples opinions to want to prove anything about our motives regarding ex-bluenose managers, i just want the best man for the job.  Yes, he's done pretty well to get them to the play-offs, but i didn't see any evidence of quality football last night (albeit on a horrible night).

The noses are just delighted that they're actually trying to win games, which is fair enough, but that's the bare minimum we should be aspiring to.

We should try & get AVB or Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
It could be a fun afternoon on Sunday.

Not going myself, but I can imagine our away fans singing a few Lambert songs and winding the Norwich crowd up!

A few rounds of "Paul Lambert's claret and blue army" would be hilarious.  It would serve three purposes:

a) Remind McLeish is the nicest possible way that we don't consider him to be our manager any more
b) Let Lambert know that contrary to media reports, Villa fans are a lovely, cuddly bunch
c) Piss the Norwich fans off
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
It could be a fun afternoon on Sunday.

Not going myself, but I can imagine our away fans singing a few Lambert songs and winding the Norwich crowd up!

A few rounds of "Paul Lambert's claret and blue army" would be hilarious.  It would serve three purposes:

a) Remind McLeish is the nicest possible way that we don't consider him to be our manager any more
b) Let Lambert know that contrary to media reports, Villa fans are a lovely, cuddly bunch
c) Piss the Norwich fans off

They will chuck their carrots at you me old muckers 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 10, 2012, 02:42:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 10, 2012, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 10, 2012, 01:51:48 PM
Cant we just do a swap deal with the filth for Hughton...they get McMinge back plus we get a refund on our compensation. Surely its just like taking a poorly fitting shirt back to Burtons? lol  ;D

Can we please not. I know he's done well at Newcastle and that lot, but I think for our own collective sanity can we look a bit further afield and find a manager that is not linked to that lot. I just want a break from reading "Former Birmingham manager....." at the start of a sentence when reading about us. And I would certainly entertain an up and coming name from abroad. Why should we just be linked to domestic names?
Yeah I agree and I was only joking!

I would like us to at least make an effort to get AVB if the club has the balls to get rid of AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 02:42:25 PM
They can chuck their fucking tractors at us for all I care, provided we leave with Lambert as our new boss!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyellis on May 10, 2012, 03:11:26 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 02:05:51 PM
It could be a fun afternoon on Sunday.

Not going myself, but I can imagine our away fans singing a few Lambert songs and winding the Norwich crowd up!

I remember when BFR came from Wednesday and the first match of the new season was at Hillsborough how our away support teased them with "Where's yer Ronnie gone where's yer Ronnie gon" Absolute great day out losing 2-0 and won 3-2
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

Thoughts?

(PS would that be Zola DOF and Poyet Head Coach?)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 10, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 10, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
You say he didn't spend it wisely, but, Given we all accept is a good buy. N'Zogbia, I think 95% of Villa fans (not me I hasten to add) wanted him. We needed him to hit the ground running, but, he's struggled to say the least.
Hutton, hmmm, we were desparate for a right back with Luke Y going back to London. My concern with him is lack of pace.
1) I'd say he was perfectly acceptable. But if we were so fretful about transfer fees and wages then play Guzan. Spend a million on Vorm. Use a bit of imagination. Given's a decent enough keeper, but if he is going to be a quarter of our transfer budget and a load more wages that we can't afford then don't do it.

2) Just because lots of people wanted him doesn't make him a good signing. The manager is paid enough to identify people who will work. Lots of Man Utd fans wanted Veron. Lots of Villa fans wanted Collymore. Lots of Chelsea fans wanted Shevchenko. Doesn't mean they were money well spent.

3) Lichaj? Herd? Cuellar? Beye? The same point applies as to Given. I don't think any of them would have been perfect. But again, he has to prioritize. If he wants to spend £4m on a fifth player in the squad who is capable (which itself is debatable) of playing right-back then he can't really whinge when we don't have any strikers anymore.
Dave,
I won't argue any of those points because as far as 1 & 3 go that's along the lines of what I thought anyway (probably not Beye though, but he couldn't have been much worse).
On the N'Zogbia front, though, I get what you're saying. But he obviously thought he would work. We'd just sold, arguably, the 2 best wingers in the prem, and he'd just had a good season on the wing for Wigan.  I know it's hypothetical now, but, imagine if AMcL hadn't signed him and he ended up having a great season elsewhere and we were where we are now?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 10, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
You say he didn't spend it wisely, but, Given we all accept is a good buy. N'Zogbia, I think 95% of Villa fans (not me I hasten to add) wanted him. We needed him to hit the ground running, but, he's struggled to say the least.
Hutton, hmmm, we were desparate for a right back with Luke Y going back to London. My concern with him is lack of pace.
1) I'd say he was perfectly acceptable. But if we were so fretful about transfer fees and wages then play Guzan. Spend a million on Vorm. Use a bit of imagination. Given's a decent enough keeper, but if he is going to be a quarter of our transfer budget and a load more wages that we can't afford then don't do it.

2) Just because lots of people wanted him doesn't make him a good signing. The manager is paid enough to identify people who will work. Lots of Man Utd fans wanted Veron. Lots of Villa fans wanted Collymore. Lots of Chelsea fans wanted Shevchenko. Doesn't mean they were money well spent.

3) Lichaj? Herd? Cuellar? Beye? The same point applies as to Given. I don't think any of them would have been perfect. But again, he has to prioritize. If he wants to spend £4m on a fifth player in the squad who is capable (which itself is debatable) of playing right-back then he can't really whinge when we don't have any strikers anymore.
Dave,
I won't argue any of those points because as far as 1 & 3 go that's along the lines of what I thought anyway (probably not Beye though, but he couldn't have been much worse).
On the N'Zogbia front, though, I get what you're saying. But he obviously thought he would work. We'd just sold, arguably, the 2 best wingers in the prem, and he'd just had a good season on the wing for Wigan.  I know it's hypothetical now, but, imagine if AMcL hadn't signed him and he ended up having a great season elsewhere and we were where we are now?

If we were that skint, why a pay a fee for Given and give him such a long contract?  Why not just give Friedel an extension or play Guzan as Dave says?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 10, 2012, 03:53:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 10, 2012, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
You say he didn't spend it wisely, but, Given we all accept is a good buy. N'Zogbia, I think 95% of Villa fans (not me I hasten to add) wanted him. We needed him to hit the ground running, but, he's struggled to say the least.
Hutton, hmmm, we were desparate for a right back with Luke Y going back to London. My concern with him is lack of pace.
1) I'd say he was perfectly acceptable. But if we were so fretful about transfer fees and wages then play Guzan. Spend a million on Vorm. Use a bit of imagination. Given's a decent enough keeper, but if he is going to be a quarter of our transfer budget and a load more wages that we can't afford then don't do it.

2) Just because lots of people wanted him doesn't make him a good signing. The manager is paid enough to identify people who will work. Lots of Man Utd fans wanted Veron. Lots of Villa fans wanted Collymore. Lots of Chelsea fans wanted Shevchenko. Doesn't mean they were money well spent.

3) Lichaj? Herd? Cuellar? Beye? The same point applies as to Given. I don't think any of them would have been perfect. But again, he has to prioritize. If he wants to spend £4m on a fifth player in the squad who is capable (which itself is debatable) of playing right-back then he can't really whinge when we don't have any strikers anymore.
Dave,
I won't argue any of those points because as far as 1 & 3 go that's along the lines of what I thought anyway (probably not Beye though, but he couldn't have been much worse).
On the N'Zogbia front, though, I get what you're saying. But he obviously thought he would work. We'd just sold, arguably, the 2 best wingers in the prem, and he'd just had a good season on the wing for Wigan.  I know it's hypothetical now, but, imagine if AMcL hadn't signed him and he ended up having a great season elsewhere and we were where we are now?

If we were that skint, why a pay a fee for Given and give him such a long contract?  Why not just give Friedel an extension or play Guzan as Dave says?
I was agreeing with Dave "I won't argue any of those points because as far as 1 & 3 go that's along the lines of what I thought anyway "
All I've said is that the buys he made were considered good buys at the time.
If you go back several pages you can pick up the start (109 & 110), as Dave has cut out parts of my posts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 10, 2012, 03:56:07 PM
It has been confirmed today that Slavin Bilic will step down as Croatia manager after the Euro's. He was often touted as a potential- what are people's thoughts now?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.

dick
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 10, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.

dick
Dick's stopping them?
The bastard!

DICK OUT!

Everybody needs to know about this, I strongly advise you all to go up to the nearest bloke next to you and shout DICK OUT!

We'll soon get the message across.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
i would be quite happy with a lot of the managers we have been suggesting, i reckon there is probably 10 or more gettable names who i would readily accept,

i cant remember it being like this last time,
 i realise we were maybe thinking of a bit bigger name then but even so i'm really hopefull we can end up with someone most of us can unite behind this time.
of course it might be because a lot of managers look a lot better after we have had a year with AM, he might just in the end turn out to be a blessing in diguise if the board get it right
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.

dick

(http://chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/funny-animal-captions-well-excuse-me.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: john e on May 10, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
i would be quite happy with a lot of the managers we have been suggesting, i reckon there is probably 10 or more gettable names who i would readily accept,

i cant remember it being like this last time,
 i realise we were maybe thinking of a bit bigger name then but even so i'm really hopefull we can end up with someone most of us can unite behind this time.
of course it might be because a lot of managers look a lot better after we have had a year with AM, he might just in the end turn out to be a blessing in diguise if the board get it right

I think the latter part is correct, essentially a year of Mcleish has stopped us, for the most part, turning our noses up at the likes of Martinez or Lambert. We'll be far more united under one of those.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on May 10, 2012, 04:22:10 PM
After seeing another Villa player state they want to have a greater impact next season season, why don't we go for Paolo di Canio.

His tendency to take a swing at under performing players would have seen three quarters of the Villa team on the deck by the end of most games this season. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 10, 2012, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.

dick

(http://chzjustcapshunz.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/funny-animal-captions-well-excuse-me.jpg)



ALSO A BIT CAMP
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 10, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: My left Foot on May 10, 2012, 03:56:07 PM
It has been confirmed today that Slavin Bilic will step down as Croatia manager after the Euro's. He was often touted as a potential- what are people's thoughts now?
Just about to post this myself...he should certainly be on the short list alongside AVB, Rodgers, Lambert and Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
Bilic?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 10, 2012, 06:22:50 PM
Well maybe its the pint I'm having but for some reason I feel Randy has learned a lot from the last 2 years and will make major changes. Last summer was so underwhelming and one of shock over the McLeish appointment I really think the next few weeks will bring us all some excitement and hope for next season.

I don't even believe our team needs massive investment to turn us around. We might not be able to challenge at the very top end but we need to head in that direction. In the right hands with the bulk of our team and a few others we should be able to do this.

What a relief this season is nearly over though. Onward and upwards please Mr Learner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 10, 2012, 06:22:50 PM
Well maybe its the pint I'm having but for some reason I feel Randy has learned a lot from the last 2 years and will make major changes. Last summer was so underwhelming and one of shock over the McLeish appointment I really think the next few weeks will bring us all some excitement and hope for next season.

I don't even believe our team needs massive investment to turn us around. We might not be able to challenge at the very top end but we need to head in that direction. In the right hands with the bulk of our team and a few others we should be able to do this.

What a relief this season is nearly over though. Onward and upwards please Mr Learner.


I quite agree with your post, and think exactly the same,
but I to have just had a bottle of Italian cheap quaffable plonk
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=330659

http://www.fichajes.net/noticias/el-nuevo-destino-de-villas-boas-20120510.html

Andre Villas Boas, 5-year deal. He's vacationing in Brazil, won't make a decision. When he does, I can't imagine it'll be us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 10, 2012, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 10, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=330659

http://www.fichajes.net/noticias/el-nuevo-destino-de-villas-boas-20120510.html

Andre Villas Boas, 5-year deal. He's vacationing in Brazil, won't make a decision. When he does, I can't imagine it'll be us.
Interesting.
Translation for the 2nd link:
After a dramatic season in which Aston Villa has failed to certify the stay until the last day, the villains want to build an ambitious project in which no repair costs and have thought of André Villas-Boas as the cornerstone.In Villa Park has already discarded continuity of McLeish as head of the team and first efforts will focus on finding a coach of the highest level on which hold the new project. The favorite to take on that responsibility is André Villas-Boas.The Portuguese coach has not lost its fame despite the bad season has signed in the Chelsea and says he is in England, Aston Villa is ready to offer you a millionaire contract and five-year contract to convince him to join your project.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 08:15:27 PM
Why the story would break on a Spanish site, I have no idea. Only Valencia's name has been mentioned with him in Spain. He's also linked with four or five Italian clubs with Roma being the favourites.

From what his agent said, they're in no rush to make a decision, prefering instead to enjoy their holiday in Brazil.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kent Villa on May 10, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
I'll eat my hat......gladly......if he ends up here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
Vital Villa contributors are in agreement of a Zola - Poyet dream team to take the club forward...

They are? Well I wonder why they haven't been installed already then.

dick

Personal abuse is not acceptable on this site.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BegbieAV on May 10, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Just on Sky Sports that Slaven Bilic is quiting Croatia after the Euros. We might be seeing him holding a Villa scarf on the back pages at the end of June?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mattjpa on May 10, 2012, 09:23:00 PM
ive said for months that slaven bilic would be a great fit and was banging my drum long before mcleish was appointed. But that was before AVB was touted as a possibility! Come on Andre!

I was listening to talksport on the way to work and it is breaking that Di Matteo will be out of chelski whatever the result of the champs league final. Got me to thinking he could be a good appointment but whoever it is needs to be interested in the long term project i think, We need stability. WHoever comes in, this should be a no brainer - after what we have witnessed the last year or two, they simply cannot fail to improve us.... 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 09:39:52 PM
It sounds like there could be one or two decent gettable managers this time around. It would be typical of us if we were to just stick with McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 10, 2012, 09:40:26 PM
There is obviously going to be lots of movement between clubs with managers leaving their respective clubs i.e. AVB, DeMatteo ,Poyet etc.
If we end up keeping McLeish with managers of this calibre available then it could be construed as malicious and downright vindictive by lerner to keep him.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 10, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
I want a young and hungry foreign coach who will use our home grown players with several quality imports and play football properly and exciting and be Aston Villa's Arsene Wenger who transform the club for Aston Villa like Arsenal (or Barcelona :))

Any defensive manager who is afraid to lose should not apply for this job. We don't need old school manager or frightened manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 10, 2012, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 10, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
I want a young and hungry foreign Arse
And who do you want as our next manager? ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 10, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Depending on which year the position becomes vacant, I would go for Ron Wylie, with Malcolm Beard as assistant. They have a great depth of knowledge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
AVB is a good shout, could be quite exciting. Great knowledge of the Portuguese league, quality players for reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 11:21:50 PM
He's one of the ones Ive been touting anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Depending on which year the position becomes vacant, I would go for Ron Wylie, with Malcolm Beard as assistant. They have a great depth of knowledge.

It doesn't even seem that long ago that every time we had a vacancy, Ron Wylie would get touted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 10, 2012, 11:46:44 PM
Would be chuffed with AVB, less so with Bilic.  We need someone in before the Euros anyway, as there's plenty of work to be done.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Axl Rose on May 11, 2012, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: Londonvilla on April 15, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
Unlike many fans I don't hate Alex McLeish mainly because hate is such a strong word which I reserve  for fascists, racists, muggers, etc however he is not the right manager for us. The problem with websites where fans can post their views is that it is too easy to say what you don't like without setting out a clear alternative. In addition it easy to be completely unrealistic, so with this in mind and taking into consideration the fact that:

A) it will cost between £2m - £3 million to get rid of Alex,
B) and we are losing around £200,000 every home match from empty seats,
C) and TV companies are no longer interested in seeing us play which results in a lack of revenue,
D) and you get about £1 million for each place you finish higher up in the league,
E) and some of the noise now coming out of Villa Park are clearly indicating that some of the players and the board know that they have made a mistake in appointing McLeish

Who do we want as our next manager and more  importantly why?

My choices would be

1) Ian Holloway – works on a tight budget, managed in the premiership and plays attacking football

2) Roberto Martinez – if Wigan are relegated and no bigger club snaps him up we need to remember he didn't come for an interview last time but would be guaranteed to show this time.

3) Gianfranco Zola– managed in the premiership, had no money to spend, and tried to play football

So be positive look forward who would do you want and why?


'hate' is only is a word. Soon, talking will be banned across the world. It only conveys an opinion of someone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Axl Rose on May 11, 2012, 07:03:36 AM
Quote from: BegbieAV on May 10, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Just on Sky Sports that Slaven Bilic is quiting Croatia after the Euros. We might be seeing him holding a Villa scarf on the back pages at the end of June?


That would be absolutely great-I like how he plays football and how he speaks of the game. Good choice. Get him in
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2012, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Depending on which year the position becomes vacant, I would go for Ron Wylie, with Malcolm Beard as assistant. They have a great depth of knowledge.

And a kit with no badge, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 08:57:56 AM
I'd be bloody ecstatic with AVB, but can't see it. It'd be nice if we made an attempt to get him though. I want a progressive, attacking manager with modern ideas and as long as they meet that criteria I don't mind who it is. We just need to make sure Mcleish is gone asap.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 11, 2012, 09:29:24 AM
If there is any truth to the AVB rumour then it's a sign to me that there is money to spend this summer.  I just can't see him coming here to further trim our wagebill!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 11, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
For me its Holloway or Martinez, would of liked hodgson but that ship has sailed...

AVB would be top choice but jsut cant see ti unless he wants to prove his worth in the EPL after chelsea dismissed him...

Problem is, even if he attends and interview the same stumbling block that hit benitez will happen...

No money
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 11, 2012, 10:27:12 AM
AVB?

Can't see it.

Bet Roman has him under some contract so he can't take another job yet, whilst being paid off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 11, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
For me its Holloway or Martinez, would of liked hodgson but that ship has sailed...

AVB would be top choice but jsut cant see ti unless he wants to prove his worth in the EPL after chelsea dismissed him...

Problem is, even if he attends and interview the same stumbling block that hit benitez will happen...

No money


Holloway? No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PGW on May 11, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
It will be Roberto Di Matteo, appointed after 19th May when Chelsea dismiss him, Villa will move quickly to avoid McLeish doing us more harm! Watching reserves last night on MUTV and they said Mcleish trying to sign Karl Henry from Wolves!!!! I ask ya!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CheeriOneill on May 11, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
David Platt?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 11, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
Twat.

Wayne Sleep?

Sorry - am I in the wrong thread??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 11, 2012, 10:50:51 AM
We might have one advantage if we go for AVB, as opposed to the likes of Valencia, Athletic etc: the chance to actually build something. The fact that it took so long for our board to realise McLeish wasn't the man for the job - and we're still merely hoping they've realised this! - displays their ability to stick by a manager and give him a chance to build something long-term. You could say "but if we've already sacked McLeish after one year would AVB really think we'd give him long-term?". Well, if he thought Abramovitch would, he'll believe Lerner!

We could definitely match offers from Valencia et al. However, we would have to give him some money to spend - if not the MON-era amount, then certainly more than last summer - and there is always the problem of Roma; if Roma want him, Roma will get him as they have this long-term project notion on us and then some. However, barring that, I think we'd stand a decent chance if we gave it a go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 11, 2012, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: PGW on May 11, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
It will be Roberto Di Matteo, appointed after 19th May when Chelsea dismiss him, Villa will move quickly to avoid McLeish doing us more harm! Watching reserves last night on MUTV and they said Mcleish trying to sign Karl Henry from Wolves!!!! I ask ya!
And the worrying thing is, there is no one behind Mcleish who knows any better. can imagine Randy and Faulkner asking Mcleish "is Karl Henry any good Alex"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dicedlam on May 11, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 11, 2012, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: PGW on May 11, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
It will be Roberto Di Matteo, appointed after 19th May when Chelsea dismiss him, Villa will move quickly to avoid McLeish doing us more harm! Watching reserves last night on MUTV and they said Mcleish trying to sign Karl Henry from Wolves!!!! I ask ya!
And the worrying thing is, there is no one behind Mcleish who knows any better. can imagine Randy and Faulkner asking Mcleish "is Karl Henry any good Alex"

''Aye a great wee player'' ''Give Sir Alex a call and..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 11, 2012, 11:16:32 AM
Can I be the first to start the Roeder/Clark out chant/facebook page/twitter campaign/bedsheet wetting, er I mean spraying?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 11:22:15 AM
Quote from: PGW on May 11, 2012, 10:36:48 AM
It will be Roberto Di Matteo, appointed after 19th May when Chelsea dismiss him

Just imagine if Chelsea did win the Euro Chumps but Di Matteo got sacked anyway.  One year getting an ex-blues boss that got them relegated, next year getting an ex-blues boss that made them European champions!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PGW on May 11, 2012, 11:29:23 AM
Could not have put that tenuous link better myself....off into town find out odds on Di Matteo coming to us!!!!
Roeder was seen last night at the 'Doncaster players end of season do' ....El Hadj Diouf and the returning Habib Beye!!!! You just never know do you!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 11, 2012, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on May 11, 2012, 07:03:36 AM
Quote from: BegbieAV on May 10, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Just on Sky Sports that Slaven Bilic is quiting Croatia after the Euros. We might be seeing him holding a Villa scarf on the back pages at the end of June?


That would be absolutely great-I like how he plays football and how he speaks of the game. Good choice. Get him in

Club management is a different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 11, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 11, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
David Platt?

No fcuking chance.  I'd put him behind Steve Hodge, Martin Keown and Stewart Downing in the list of my preferred Villa managers. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fuse on May 11, 2012, 12:37:07 PM
Not sure if his name has been mentioned yet but saw that Slavan Bilic is leaving the Croatia National job at the end of Euro 2012. He has always said he wants to manager in the Prem.

Not sure on him tbh but surely he would be a candidate?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
I think Bilic would be a great shout as long as Lerner & co managed to see past their "must have premiership experience" stumbling block.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 11, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
The AVB link makes me laugh, sounds like Aston Villa Bollocks to me?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 11, 2012, 04:10:36 PM
People are honeslty suggesting Holloway ? Jesus wept, I would honestly rather have McLeish.  People have short memories!

Billic has done nothing as a manager to warrant his reputation.

Also re Poyet, I am a Brighton fan, and have seen them live many more times over the last couple seasons than I have Villa. I doubt very much if he is what we are after. Brighton play good football, but he has spent plenty of money and ridden a bit of a wave. He seems a bit naive at times and that would get punished in the prem. imo

Would rather Marnitez or Lambert.



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 11, 2012, 04:15:01 PM
Agree with lambert or martinez but disagree that mcleish would be better than holloway- holloway or bilic would be vastly better than mcleish in the way their teams play.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Adventurer on May 11, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
Think Bilic would be a good appointment. In all honesty I can't see AVB coming here but not harm in trying. The likes of Martinez,Rodgers & Lambert don't really get me excited. One swallow doesn't make a summer & all that but hey,anything would be better than the current manager!

Just hope we get rid on Sunday evening & then get someone in asap so they can have a decent pre-season & get settled! I wont hold my breath though!  :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:37:32 PM
Still Lambert for me

and we could get him . 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: regular_john on May 11, 2012, 05:42:30 PM
Thought AVB had agreed to take over at Roma?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2012, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 11, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
The AVB link makes me laugh, sounds like Aston Villa Bollocks to me?

He has to work somewhere. Luis Enrique has just resigned at Roma but former striker Vincenzo Montella is favourite to take over.
That still leaves about four other Italian clubs and Valencia to go.
Italian clubs love to swap and change their coaches on a regular basis, not sure if AVB would appreciate that level of instability, having not even managed to last a season at Chelsea. The most interesting thing of the rumour is the "five year project". I reckon that would be right up his street.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
Well I guess we can cross Stale Solbakken off the list as he's become the new manager of the dogheads.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 11, 2012, 06:02:19 PM
AVB is young and he is still learning his trade. Why not do it here during a long term plan? He would still be young in five years time if he fancies a new challenge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
We should soon be able to cross off Fiorentina from AVB's list as it looks likely Claudio Ranieri is going to be their new coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 11, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
The AVB link makes me laugh, sounds like Aston Villa Bollocks to me?

AVB is just this years Ancelotti.

More worryingly than any of it is that the current buffoon is still in charge and thinks he is doing a good job. I think he has been on a bender before making statements to this effect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 11, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
The AVB link makes me laugh, sounds like Aston Villa Bollocks to me?

AVB is just this years Ancelotti.

As I said earlier, he's got to work somewhere.

The Italian options are falling by the hour as it now looks like Luis Enrique having left Roma could be on his way to Génova, another club AVB was rumoured to be shortlisted for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 06:41:41 PM
I don't understand the thought process though, that the club, who have appointed 2 managers from left field, when in truth 2nd time round there was a list as long as there are pillars under spaghetti junction that were better than who they went for, are suddenly going to appoint a manager with much higher ambitions than the club has. It is madness.

Logical thinking says Curbishley. Left field says Roeder and Clark might be a good shout. Dreamland they go for Lambert or Martinez again. Anyone above that calibre, is about as likely as I am to pilot the next moon landing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 11, 2012, 07:23:35 PM
You really need to top up your Prozac supply, Ozzjim. You're turning into a right miserable ******. *winky*

For me (non-member of the H&V Drama Queen Screaming Society), logical thinking says Lambert. I really expect nothing less.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 11, 2012, 07:35:49 PM
Category A) Villas Boas
Category B) Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers.
Category C) DI Matteo
Category srapethebarrell: Curbishley et al.

Coaching a football team isn't rocket science.  The managers are only 50% of it, their coaches the other 50%. Anybody from the first 3 categories is fine with me so long as they have like-minded coaches. 

I will also say that any one of those names above would be mental not to take the job if offered.  They will be paid as well as anybody else in a managerial position outside the champions league and have the makings of a good young squad to add to, a goal scorer and a top class keeper.  More than enough.  Villa is still a BIG job. 


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 07:59:21 PM
They need to drop this nonsensical "must have PL experience" thing they've gone with twice.

Look at it this way. AVB, after his disastrous period at Chelsea = a yes, as he's got PL experience, but AVB with no failure, shit loads of success at Porto, but no PL experience = a no-no.

It is a flawed strategy right from the start. With Houllier, it limited our pool of available managers. With McLeish it became "must have PL experience, even if that PL experience involves getting relegated in half the seasons you've managed in it".

Madness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 11, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
Aye, flawed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 11, 2012, 10:06:19 PM
Picture this:

You wake up turn on Sky Sports news to see the glorious sight of the yellow breaking news line announcing McLeish has been sacked and AVB will be announced as our new manager at a press conference in an hour's time!

Pity the poor ticket office staff having to work 16 hour days trying to cope with the deluge of relieved fans desperate to get season tickets to make sure they can watch the rebirth oh the club, if only..........................................................................
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
I'll settle for the breaking news that Mcleish has been sacked. Pretty much anything from there with any sense to it is positive.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
A.V.B if only......................................................
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 11, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
A.V.B if only......................................................

ASTON. VILLA .BOUND 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 11, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Ain't AVB going to Roma?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 11, 2012, 10:16:26 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 11, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
A.V.B if only......................................................

ASTON. VILLA .BOUND
Go on Randy! Go get him you know it makes sense!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 11, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 11, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Ain't AVB going to Roma?

No because his name would be  andrea roma boas
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 11, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
If we get AVB, he can leave that poxy little mac in London.  And sit on the bench like a normal manager, rather than crouching like a girl needing a piss at a pop concert by the side of the pitch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 11, 2012, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
If we get AVB, he can leave that poxy little mac in London.  And sit on the bench like a normal manager, rather than crouching like a girl needing a piss at a pop concert by the side of the pitch.
Hilarious
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 11, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
In Egil we trust.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 01:43:03 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 11, 2012, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 11, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
If we get AVB, he can leave that poxy little mac in London.  And sit on the bench like a normal manager, rather than crouching like a girl needing a piss at a pop concert by the side of the pitch.
Hilarious

Brilliant Des.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VancouverLion on May 12, 2012, 05:14:43 AM
AVFC & AVB would be a match made in heaven, please Randy at least try!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2012, 09:04:32 AM
Cue the Holte End in full chorus:

And it`s Andre Villas, Andre Villas Boas
He`s by far the slightest manager
The world has ever seen
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 12, 2012, 11:40:52 AM
Talking of the Holte End in full chorus, is McLeech the first manager never to have his name sung by the fans without words like 'sack' or 'fuck off' before it or 'out' after it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 12, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
There is plenty of talk about Martinez and Lambert but I have a feeling that Brendan Rodgers will turn out to be a more successful manager than either of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 12, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
There is plenty of talk about Martinez and Lambert but I have a feeling that Brendan Rodgers will turn out to be a more successful manager than either of them.

I don't. I have a feeling Rodgers' success is largely down to the work Martinez put in before him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 12, 2012, 05:44:52 PM
i think the fact that Rogers has just signed a new contract and has a massive buy out clause in it will count against him with so many other good candidates around
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 12, 2012, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 12, 2012, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 12, 2012, 04:44:01 PM
There is plenty of talk about Martinez and Lambert but I have a feeling that Brendan Rodgers will turn out to be a more successful manager than either of them.

I don't. I have a feeling Rodgers' success is largely down to the work Martinez put in before him.

Hmm, I'd disagree in part with that.  I just don't buy that to get a side playing decent passing football takes a decade.  It takes a motivational manager with some brilliant coaches.  When a club employs such people and then purchases (or develops) players to fit their style you get Swansea.  You could argue that Martinez developed players while at Swansea as they were almost out of business at one point and so has had something to do with their current side.  But it won't take Villa 6 or 7 years to be able to play good football.  We don't need a revolution.

If we got Matinez or Rodgers, we would need their coaches too.  On the playing front, most of the youngsters are used to a passing game in the reserves - they certainly look comfortable of the ball in the most part.  So, we aren't that far off with the right blend. 

Fuck this, I'm off to buy a football club, it's a piece of piss this recruitment lark.  So long suckers!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
If we do get Martinez (who I actually wanted last summer) I hope he can sort out the defense as well as play attractive football. Its been a shambles for so long now with silly mistakes and especially set pieces.

With our lack of attacking ability we just create most of own problems welcoming the bombardment from the opposing team which eventually leads to these mistakes or goals from set pieces. So maybe a more forward thinking manager might fix a lot of our problems without too much tinkering.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Last summer i was not happy when hearing martinez was our target as i hoped ancelotti or benitez could be tempted,now though id be happy to take martinez but would still prefer lambert or rodgers ahead of him- any of those 3 would do fine in my view.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
If we do get Martinez (who I actually wanted last summer) I hope he can sort out the defense as well as play attractive football. Its been a shambles for so long now with silly mistakes and especially set pieces.

With our lack of attacking ability we just create most of own problems welcoming the bombardment from the opposing team which eventually leads to these mistakes or goals from set pieces. So maybe a more forward thinking manager might fix a lot of our problems without too much tinkering.

He has quite interestingly gone to a back 3 in the last 3 months to make up for the lack of pace in Caldwell I think, and they have improved a lot since, both going forward and at the back. I loved our wing back system under Brian Little and wonder if the system would actually suit us quite well, with Clark being the ball player with Baker and maybe Dunne. NZogbia could play left wing back, and maybe buy a forward thinking right back. Maybe I am talking out me arse though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 12, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
He has and Caldwell looks good in that role. It's something he has tried and its worked.
I loved that formation with Little. I'm not sure we have the players for it but that's what a good manager is there for to look at the players and get the best out of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
If we do get Martinez (who I actually wanted last summer) I hope he can sort out the defense as well as play attractive football. Its been a shambles for so long now with silly mistakes and especially set pieces.

With our lack of attacking ability we just create most of own problems welcoming the bombardment from the opposing team which eventually leads to these mistakes or goals from set pieces. So maybe a more forward thinking manager might fix a lot of our problems without too much tinkering.

He has quite interestingly gone to a back 3 in the last 3 months to make up for the lack of pace in Caldwell I think, and they have improved a lot since, both going forward and at the back. I loved our wing back system under Brian Little and wonder if the system would actually suit us quite well, with Clark being the ball player with Baker and maybe Dunne. NZogbia could play left wing back, and maybe buy a forward thinking right back. Maybe I am talking out me arse though.

The three at the back has been mainly to, as you say, compensate for Caldwell's inability to run, as well as make up a shortfall in midfield and counter two-striker systems, with two man-markers and a man spare. It wouldn't work at Villa so much though, I feel, as we're less likely to come up against two-striker systems (especially at home) and we have more to gain by fielding as many midfielders as possible from what we have, rather than relying on wing-backs. However, it shows he's tactically flexible and willing to take a risk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
I think it would allow us to get more midfielder on the pitch though, so would actually work well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 12, 2012, 07:15:25 PM
He has and Caldwell looks good in that role. It's something he has tried and its worked.
I loved that formation with Little. I'm not sure we have the players for it but that's what a good manager is there for to look at the players and get the best out of them.

I remember an interview with Sir Brian in one of the broadsheets on the morning of the League Cup win, where he said he didn't like 442 because it meant players just ran up and down in straight lines.

He felt the three at the back gave the side much greater flexibility, something I believe Glenn Hoddle still advocates to this day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
I think it would allow us to get more midfielder on the pitch though, so would actually work well.

When compared to 4-4-2 it would, but not when compared to 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Wing-backs aren't really midfielders, and it can often end up stretched. However, if Bielsa were our manager he'd inevitably do his 3-3-1-3 routine with mental pressing and so forth, which would be fun, so if Martinez did the same who could complain?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 12, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
We like straight lines in England lol
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 12, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
We like straight lines in England lol

We do. We like players to stay 'in position', which means running up and down the pitch in very specific rectangles. We don't really understand interchanging, and even wingers swapping sides is a novelty. Pundits gasp open-mouthed when Swansea do so much as move off the ball, or when the Spurs midfielders end up wide and beyond the striker, or when Arsenal's defenders pass the ball calmly out of tight situations. Tactically, we foster a culture of idiocy in this country. Fortunately, it's finally started to change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 12, 2012, 09:39:09 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 12, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
If we do get Martinez (who I actually wanted last summer) I hope he can sort out the defense as well as play attractive football. Its been a shambles for so long now with silly mistakes and especially set pieces.

With our lack of attacking ability we just create most of own problems welcoming the bombardment from the opposing team which eventually leads to these mistakes or goals from set pieces. So maybe a more forward thinking manager might fix a lot of our problems without too much tinkering.

He has quite interestingly gone to a back 3 in the last 3 months to make up for the lack of pace in Caldwell I think, and they have improved a lot since, both going forward and at the back. I loved our wing back system under Brian Little and wonder if the system would actually suit us quite well, with Clark being the ball player with Baker and maybe Dunne. NZogbia could play left wing back, and maybe buy a forward thinking right back. Maybe I am talking out me arse though.

The three at the back has been mainly to, as you say, compensate for Caldwell's inability to run, as well as make up a shortfall in midfield and counter two-striker systems, with two man-markers and a man spare. It wouldn't work at Villa so much though, I feel, as we're less likely to come up against two-striker systems (especially at home) and we have more to gain by fielding as many midfielders as possible from what we have, rather than relying on wing-backs. However, it shows he's tactically flexible and willing to take a risk.

Exactly - flexibility. Change ot blame if it isn't working.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 12, 2012, 10:03:52 PM
The more I think about Martinez the more I think Lambert would be a better fit! Still, so long as McLeech goes, that's the main thing!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 13, 2012, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 12, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
We like straight lines in England lol

We do. We like players to stay 'in position', which means running up and down the pitch in very specific rectangles. We don't really understand interchanging, and even wingers swapping sides is a novelty. Pundits gasp open-mouthed when Swansea do so much as move off the ball, or when the Spurs midfielders end up wide and beyond the striker, or when Arsenal's defenders pass the ball calmly out of tight situations. Tactically, we foster a culture of idiocy in this country. Fortunately, it's finally started to change.

I don't like the man, but Gary Neville did an excellent assessment of this after the Wigan game on Monday night.  He was asked a question about which formation England should use in the summer and gave a pretty good analysis of why the lack of flexibility in England's system has cost them at major tournaments. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 13, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/11/brendan-rodgers-swansea-city

Reading that article considering our current state is tear-inducing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 06:45:15 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 13, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/11/brendan-rodgers-swansea-city

Reading that article considering our current state is tear-inducing.

Incredible, and light years from the way we are operating.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: russon on May 13, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Returning to the thread title my answer would be Martin O'Neill. He'd have a full summer to galvanise us and re-energise the club, he did it before he can do it again. Can't see it happening anymore than I can see a bluenose qualify for MENSA but I'd love to have him back.

If not, then Lambert or Martinez. I'd have Wincey Willis or Pipkin rather than McLeish mind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 13, 2012, 07:24:33 AM
So you would be happy to have him back, well he walked out on us at a time to do the club the most damage, he left us with very average players on huge contracts who we had to let the contracts run down on because nobody else would be silly enough to take them on and he had a phobia about foreign players. Next to McCleish he would be the last manger i'd have back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 07:29:55 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Returning to the thread title my answer would be Martin O'Neill. He'd have a full summer to galvanise us and re-energise the club, he did it before he can do it again. Can't see it happening anymore than I can see a bluenose qualify for MENSA but I'd love to have him back.

If not, then Lambert or Martinez. I'd have Wincey Willis or Pipkin rather than McLeish mind.


Nurse!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 07:31:09 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 13, 2012, 07:24:33 AM
So you would be happy to have him back, well he walked out on us at a time to do the club the most damage, he left us with very average players on huge contracts who we had to let the contracts run down on because nobody else would be silly enough to take them on and he had a phobia about foreign players. Next to McCleish he would be the last manger i'd have back.

Agreed. One dimensional tactics, poor use of budgets and massive ego. DOL, MON and Eck are a trio of evil I would never want back at our club!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: russon on May 13, 2012, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 13, 2012, 07:24:33 AM
So you would be happy to have him back, well he walked out on us at a time to do the club the most damage, he left us with very average players on huge contracts who we had to let the contracts run down on because nobody else would be silly enough to take them on and he had a phobia about foreign players. Next to McCleish he would be the last manger i'd have back.
It may not suit your argument to concede this but the difference between 6th place and 17th place finishes is a battle for European football instead of Championship doom and during O'Neill's era we were capable of revolutionary stuff like crossing the halfway line and even scoring from corners.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2012, 07:38:25 AM
agreed but it cost 200 million to do it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 08:03:58 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 07:35:26 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 13, 2012, 07:24:33 AM
So you would be happy to have him back, well he walked out on us at a time to do the club the most damage, he left us with very average players on huge contracts who we had to let the contracts run down on because nobody else would be silly enough to take them on and he had a phobia about foreign players. Next to McCleish he would be the last manger i'd have back.
It may not suit your argument to concede this but the difference between 6th place and 17th place finishes is a battle for European football instead of Championship doom and during O'Neill's era we were capable of revolutionary stuff like crossing the halfway line and even scoring from corners.

We were, away from home. At home we played piss poor foootball and could not break sides down, to which O'Neill thought throwing on Carew and Heskey together was the answer and still playing on the counter attack. It may not suit your argument to acknowledge that he spent so poorly in terms of fees AND wages that we ended up with an unbalanced squad, with little re sale value for the highest earners and mediocre quality. MON had the golden ticket, and pissed it up the wall, the players knew it and the best ones wanted out, while the opposition knew it to the point that John Terry even admitted it was a tactic to wait for us to burn out in games and then exploit it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 13, 2012, 08:09:04 AM
There is no chance of O'Neill coming back so we can forget that one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2012, 08:38:17 AM
So far this morning I have woke up and read on this thread a return on MON and on another AM saying "Its not like we are the team on 82".

I just want a manager to come in, work within the boards criteria and at least give it a go. Tell the players and fans a like we are on the pitch to win. To motivate and orgainse the team to play at their full potential and make a few decent signings to fit within the new team.

Maybe then we can forget about the horrible MON and clueless AM and start enjoying watching VIlla again and not get so depressed talking about it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 13, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
I would like a youngish forward thinking manager. A manager who will stay with the club and build something solid. Someone who will have or will develop sound technical skills, and who will promote the young players at Aston Villa. A manager who can unearth talented young players from the lower league's and abroad and can be comfortable in the  bargain basement. A manager who above all, earns our respect and our patience. As a Villa fan if I can see a manager trying to do all of the above and we as a team progressing in the right direction I will have all the patience, tolerance and respect for our manager. Do not want round the block has beens, we definately need to take a gamble on one of these younger up and coming managers. After Mcleish I can honestly say we've got nothing to lose, we need to take a punt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 13, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Returning to the thread title my answer would be Martin O'Neill. He'd have a full summer to galvanise us and re-energise the club, he did it before he can do it again. Can't see it happening anymore than I can see a bluenose qualify for MENSA but I'd love to have him back.

If not, then Lambert or Martinez. I'd have Wincey Willis or Pipkin rather than McLeish mind.


your still holding a torch there arn't you mate  ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2012, 09:04:03 AM
Reading that Rodgers article makes me want him. He actually sounds like a 21st century coach, rather than the kind of crsp mcleish comes out with. It'd be a risk and might take some time to bear fruit, but I think it would really benefit out kids

I don't think I've seen a villa team show the quality of movement that swansea showed at our place for a very long time

Yes please
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2012, 09:08:07 AM
He'd have to be backed to get rid of dome of the egos like dunne / Collins / warnock. Ireland would thrive I reckon and CNZ might even wake up. It would suit bent and possibly bannan too. I reckon we'd see Clark at centre back fairly sharpish

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 13, 2012, 09:09:48 AM
If one from Rodgers,Lambert,Martinez or Di Matteo joins then I will be happy,lets just hope Mc Leish goes soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2012, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: Moorski on May 13, 2012, 09:09:48 AM
If one from Rodgers,Lambert,Martinez or Di Matteo joins then I will be happy,lets just hope Mc Leish goes soon.
I agree. Lets hope today is the last day of Big Eck.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: russon on May 13, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: john e on May 13, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Returning to the thread title my answer would be Martin O'Neill. He'd have a full summer to galvanise us and re-energise the club, he did it before he can do it again. Can't see it happening anymore than I can see a bluenose qualify for MENSA but I'd love to have him back.

If not, then Lambert or Martinez. I'd have Wincey Willis or Pipkin rather than McLeish mind.


your still holding a torch there arn't you mate  ?

I am! It'll be a while yet before I get over it. I walk through the VP gates like a listless lovesick teenager hoping MON swaggers into view and falls into my arms before we walk up the Trinity Road hand in hand, remembering the Milner night at Wigan, Petrov's debut, the 5-1, the cup win at Reading and all those happy times.  I really need to let it go but I can't.

As for him piddling money up the wall, well show me a manager who wouldn't spend squillions if a board is mug enough to give it him? He didn't spend the money, Lerner did, so if you've got a beef with salaries and transfer fees have a word with our owners.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 09:48:46 AM
What about the bit when he shat on us at the worst time possible?

Each to their own, but I have too much pride in my club to have that egotistical twat back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 13, 2012, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: john e on May 13, 2012, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 06:47:16 AM
Returning to the thread title my answer would be Martin O'Neill. He'd have a full summer to galvanise us and re-energise the club, he did it before he can do it again. Can't see it happening anymore than I can see a bluenose qualify for MENSA but I'd love to have him back.

If not, then Lambert or Martinez. I'd have Wincey Willis or Pipkin rather than McLeish mind.


your still holding a torch there arn't you mate  ?

I am! It'll be a while yet before I get over it. I walk through the VP gates like a listless lovesick teenager hoping MON swaggers into view and falls into my arms before we walk up the Trinity Road hand in hand, remembering the Milner night at Wigan, Petrov's debut, the 5-1, the cup win at Reading and all those happy times.  I really need to let it go but I can't.

As for him piddling money up the wall, well show me a manager who wouldn't spend squillions if a board is mug enough to give it him? He didn't spend the money, Lerner did, so if you've got a beef with salaries and transfer fees have a word with our owners.


best way to get over one love is to find another, lets hope we find one soon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 10:03:21 AM
Martin O'Neill... ffs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 13, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/11/brendan-rodgers-swansea-city

Reading that article considering our current state is tear-inducing.

That article is why he should be our first choice and why we would stand a great chance of getting him. We've got some talented kids that have been taught the right things and I would have confidence in transferring that into them as senior players. I think he would get much more value out of signings too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: russon on May 13, 2012, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 10:03:21 AM
Martin O'Neill... ffs.
agreed...fantastic football supremo
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 13, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 13, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 13, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/11/brendan-rodgers-swansea-city

Reading that article considering our current state is tear-inducing.

That article is why he should be our first choice and why we would stand a great chance of getting him. We've got some talented kids that have been taught the right things and I would have confidence in transferring that into them as senior players. I think he would get much more value out of signings too.
Great article.
He's the one for me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: russon on May 13, 2012, 09:28:21 AM

As for him piddling money up the wall, well show me a manager who wouldn't spend squillions if a board is mug enough to give it him? He didn't spend the money, Lerner did, so if you've got a beef with salaries and transfer fees have a word with our owners.

Yes but he didn't have to buy Davies, Knight, Reo-Coker, Sidwell, Delph, Harewood, Shorey, Young and Beye for about £50m, and then conclude that none of them were worth playing, before we let them all go for the combined total of about £6m (excluding Delph)!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2012, 01:38:18 PM
Someone with modern methods and the ability to communicate them please.

And also someone with the intelligence to understand that respecting the clubs tradition and support, and not accepting that we should be also rans, can buy a hell of a lot of time and support in your quest for success.

You'll be paid the best part of £3m a year for the task so it's not too much too ask, is it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 13, 2012, 01:36:08 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/11/brendan-rodgers-swansea-city

Reading that article considering our current state is tear-inducing.

When you read that you quickly realise why we are where we are. For the best part of 6 years we've had managers who've come to practice, thrown down a couple of cones, and those high jump things and had the lads run around for a bit. MON's advantage being he was able to acquire and work with much better talent than McLeish. Apparently, and this is breaking news, being a successful football manager needs planning and a willingness to adopt tactical approaches from a number of places and perspectives. Our players have been simply starved of that.

We need to hire someone with an entirely new approach as quickly as possible, and as fans understand a d accept that the change we all want won't happen overnight. There will be some pain.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Talk sport just said Poyet was believed to be heading to the Midlands to interview with a premier league team...

Cant imagine its villa as Big Eck has not yet been sacked, but the baggies seem to make better moves than us of late with Hodgson & Di Matteo!

It might be because they have a Director of Football (can’t remember his name).  Having someone high up with the club who has studied the game means you're more likely to ask the right questions (i.e. not: "does he have premier league experience?”).  Indeed, it also means you’re less likely to appoint the current flavour of the month, as again, a DoF is more likely to see through a manager’s bull shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Talk sport just said Poyet was believed to be heading to the Midlands to interview with a premier league team...

Cant imagine its villa as Big Eck has not yet been sacked, but the baggies seem to make better moves than us of late with Hodgson & Di Matteo!

It might be because they have a Director of Football (can’t remember his name), but having someone who has studied the game is more likely to get the right answers as they’ll ask the right question (i.e. not: does he have premier league experience?).

I hope it's the Baggies as I'm not a massive Poyet fan. But if it works out, good luck to them. Well, bad luck, but you know what I mean. At least they're being open-minded in their appointments.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
According to kendrick when asked lambert refused to confirm he will still be at norwich next season saying its difficult to answer that- have we got our man?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 

When you see it put like that, it really is beyond shocking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 
Some of the stats I have seen mentioned today from our season are shocking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 07:55:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 

When you see it put like that, it really is beyond shocking.

2 wins in 5 months as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 08:04:40 PM
37 goals in 38 games. 7 wins in 38 games, and yet he still thinks he can turn it around.  Even if he keeps his job, what happens if he gets off to a bad start?  He's just one defeat away from yet another crisis. Useless knob, tatally out of touch with the fan base. Got to go. Martinez, Lambert, Susan Boyle, don't care who, they cannot be as bad!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
A house plant, it couldn't do any worse.
I read earlier that was our 101st season in top flight football, ruined by that twat & the idiocy of one Randolph Lerner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:12:53 PM
No, we'd have survived on GD.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 13, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 
Some of the stats I have seen mentioned today from our season are shocking.
Sorry to do it again, but the stats are truly horrible:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
 - Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.

On this basis, McLeish should leave the club tonight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 13, 2012, 08:26:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2012, 07:45:18 PM
According to kendrick when asked lambert refused to confirm he will still be at norwich next season saying its difficult to answer that- have we got our man?

According to Lambert himself, Norwich won't have much money to spend this summer, as they were in a tight financial situation over the past few years and that still hasn't been remedied.

He might look at that, and the fact that his better players like Holt and Morrison are pushing 30 or over  and decide to bail whilst his stock is still high.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2012, 08:26:52 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 13, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 13, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 
Some of the stats I have seen mentioned today from our season are shocking.
Sorry to do it again, but the stats are truly horrible:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
 - Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.

On this basis, McLeish should leave the club tonight.
Christ that's terrible. Also did Birmingham finish with more points than us last season and go down?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 13, 2012, 08:26:52 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 13, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 13, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 
Some of the stats I have seen mentioned today from our season are shocking.
Sorry to do it again, but the stats are truly horrible:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
 - Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.

On this basis, McLeish should leave the club tonight.
Christ that's terrible. Also did Birmingham finish with more points than us last season and go down?
Yes, one more.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Lambert would probably arrive with a few of their decent players too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
Yes Ian.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:28:05 PM
Yes, yes and yes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 

When you see it put like that, it really is beyond shocking.

Is it not actually only 2 in 19 in a full half season? 1 in 16 is sack-able in anyone's book.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on May 14, 2012, 01:12:28 PM
Martinez the way he stayed loyal to Wigan impressed me.

He gets really good press up North

I would take him or Rodgers or Lambert
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olof's Beard on May 14, 2012, 01:15:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:46:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
1 win in 16 games.  1 solitary win in nearly half a season of football. 

When you see it put like that, it really is beyond shocking.

Is it not actually only 2 in 19 in a full half season? 1 in 16 is sack-able in anyone's book.

That win was also due to a last minute goalkeeping error.  Basically if there had been one minute less of injury time in the Fulham home game, we would be relegated having won once since New Year's Day.  From a human perspective, I feel sorry for McLeish but from a professional perspective (as well as the point of view of my mental health every weekend watching us), there is no way anyone can defend his record.  Two wins since chuffing new year's day!

EDITED for accuracy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
Lambert won me over after their display at Arsenal. I'd be happy with him. But certainly Martinez would be a great long term investment and would have us playing the right way. Both take time to study foreign markets and are keen students of the game. I don't think Rodgers is going anywhere, and AVB is a pipe dream as I think he'll want to go to Italy or Spain.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:16:47 PM
Lambert or Martinez as realistic targets would be fine by me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 14, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers for me - Van Gaal if I am dreaming.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 01:32:00 PM
Rodgers all the way for me.    He seems a very smart cookie.      RL on the other hand knows jack shit about the game.   Its going to be an interesting few days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: moetvillain on May 14, 2012, 01:34:13 PM
McDermott has done a great job in getting the best out of what he has, and a good philiosophy which could fit with the cloth cutting at our place.  Rodgers has done well at Swansea, but didnt cover himself in glory at Reading. Lambert is a good call
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Lambert has always been my choice.  He's now also my prediction!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Lambert would probably arrive with a few of their decent players too.

Holt is an obvious one, but he's thirty and you'd think Norwich would want decent money - also we have someone who plays really high up already.

Hoolahan and Pilkington look decent, but we've got Ireland and Gabby.

Johnson looks a good player and probably better than anything we've got in centre midfield.

Their defence is crap so I'd avoid that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:37:15 PM
Also, if it is him then I hope Lambert does a Pardew and suits up.

Tracksuit managers always look so amateurish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 01:38:11 PM
Martinez 7/4
Lambert 11/4

and just crept in out of nowhere...

Benitez 8/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cb on May 14, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
In order of preference for me:-

Martinez
Rodgers
Lambert

Martinez has the right combination of playing the right way and that bit of experience of dealing with Premiership numpty players, to make him my number one realist's choice. I really like how Rodgers has conducted himself and he appears to want to do things the right way - I'd just be a bit concerned with whether or not he could deal with the egos at a big Premier League club. Lambert is third, as I am less convinced about his footballing philosophy. Norwich have played some great stuff and he looks like he could deal with the big name players, I'm just a little unhappy with a manager who doesn't want to play a major role in the players training a la MON. I think he could still be successful, I just think people like that will get found out at the very top level, a la MON...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:37:15 PM
Also, if it is him then I hope Lambert does a Pardew and suits up.

Tracksuit managers always look so amateurish.

(http://lamedialunadelarea.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/010265563662700.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
Quote
Ian Culverhouse was named Colchester United assistant manager under Paul Lambert. Culverhouse, Lambert and 'football operations manager' Gary Karsa all resigned from Colchester to take up positions at Norwich City on 17 August 2009.

So he takes his #2 with him everywhere, as well as his 'football operations' guy. What are 'football operations'? I assume that's someone who identifies players for him, so perhaps a step toward the DoF style?

Would Randy risk letting a manager bring in his whole backroom staff again incase of a MON-esque walkout?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:40:41 PM
Whoever comes to us I hope they do it quickly and get the appointment correct. If Lambert comes, I hope he doesn't bring too many Norwich players with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 14, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 01:37:15 PM
Also, if it is him then I hope Lambert does a Pardew and suits up.

Tracksuit managers always look so amateurish.

(http://lamedialunadelarea.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/010265563662700.jpg)

I wish it was 1980. What a couple of years we'd be in for...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kingthing on May 14, 2012, 01:45:30 PM

I've just seen Steve Keene at New Street Station.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:46:36 PM
after AM  should we go with Villa's Bore Arse ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
I repeat they will be very careful not to fuck up the next appointment after what's happened this season. The won't hire Grant after he took West Ham and Pompey down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
If we took Lambert I wouldn't mind Holt, Johnson and possibly Hoolahan.
If we took Rodgers, I'd take either one of their CM (the past passing rates in the league this season by both. Better than Scholes). I also wouldn't be adverse to Sinclair, or that striker who's on their bench quite a lot. Luke something or other...he he.

If we took Martinez I'd take one of their CM and Moses.

If we took Grant. I'd take a cyanide capsule.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
Lambert as manager, Heskey gone, sell Gabby, get Rhodes and Holt (great name - dodgy spelling) and that Bas Dost to give a front two from a choice of...

Bent    Holt    Rhodes   Wiemann   Bas Dost


All bases covered. Height, pace, muscle, promise and experience.
Gives the option to change systems in a game to revert to a plan B.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: usav on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Hoddle or Capello.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2012, 03:51:28 PM
Who ever comes in must have a big clear out.
Dunne
Collins
Hutton
Warnock
and although it hurts to say, maybe Gabby
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:55:17 PM
I'm not sure lambert would jump at villa job
Depends how much Lerner is going to pump in
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 14, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
If Lerner and Faulkner run to form, they'll appoint an ex-Blues manager with a heart condition.  So bet on Trevor Francis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dr Butler on May 14, 2012, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: usav on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Hoddle or Capello.

I thought Capello with Wilkins would be a sound appointment.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DBTW on May 14, 2012, 03:57:13 PM
Martinez now into 8/15. This is going to be another long summer!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 03:57:36 PM
Could a poll be added to the thread?

Lambert's my preferred choice. I'd be happy with Martinez too (not convinced on Rodgers yet).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: usav on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Hoddle or Capello.

I said drunkenly in the pub a few weeks ago about Hoddle - the more i think about it the more i would not be unhappy at all with him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
From Sporting Life:

Quote
Norwich chief executive David McNally insists the club will fight to keep manager Paul Lambert and are focused on building for next season.

The Canaries signed off from what has been an impressive return to the Barclays Premier League with a 2-0 victory over Aston Villa at Carrow Road, which secured 12th place.

Lambert has masterminded successive promotions since taking over in August 2009 when the Norfolk club were languishing in the lower reaches of npower League One and facing an uncertain future.

However, it is the 42-year-old's achievements this season with an industrious side packed full of hardworking, unheralded names which have seen the former Celtic midfielder linked with a move away from East Anglia should a suitable vacancy occur.

Indeed, the Villa fans chanted Lambert's name on Sunday and called for the dismissal of manager Alex McLeish, who left the club 24 hours later.

Lambert agreed a new deal in May 2011, along with his backroom staff, and chief executive McNally doesn't want to lose the highly-rated Scot.

"We would not welcome any enquiry for our football manager or any of the club's football players," McNally told BBC Radio Norfolk.

"We will do everything we can and fight this as hard as we have ever fought."

McNally added: "If I was at another football club and I was looking for another manager he'd be top of my list.

"In any business you need to look at what might happen - the what ifs.

"But we are focused on keeping our manager and the footballers he wants to retain at the club and to bring in better footballers to complement the club.

"I want other clubs to covet our manager and to want our players, because if they do that means we're doing something right.

"It is almost obvious, isn't it, that clubs would like to have them at their football club."

Lambert accepts whatever happens in the future, Norwich's rise up through the league has been way ahead of schedule.

"It has been unbelievable what has happened here in three seasons - it is never easy to get one year of success, let alone three," he said.

"Every year has been a challenge since I have been here - getting out of League One was with how far we were behind the top two, then there was a challenge to stay in the Championship, let alone get out of it because of everything which had gone wrong, the club was at its lowest ebb.

"To do what they have done in three years has been too quick to do it, but we did and have been brilliant.

"You are always playing catch up because of what has happened - the chairman said we would have to stay in the Premier League again for another year before things start to build.

"Nobody expected this within three years. The club gave itself seven years to get in the Premier League, and that was allowing to be relegated again, so the rise has been huge."

Should Lambert remain in charge for pre-season planning, he accepts there will not be a deep transfer kitty with which to strengthen the squad.

"We can't go out and put the club it was in the position of financial trouble it was in two years ago," he said.

"As long as people realise we won't be able to do that, but that is my job, to try to get people in to try to complement things, the right type of player to try to help the team at the minute."

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
I just hope that they do not come out with a set of parameters like they did before

Just get about the business of getting the right man - oh and note to Randy

"forget integrity - if you have to play dirty to get the right guy - then just do it"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: caster troy on May 14, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
Collymore says the shortlist is 2 Prem managers and 2 out of work managers...

Lambert
Martinez
Villas-Boas
????
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 04:04:41 PM
di Matteo would be quite nice too if Chelsea don't make him their manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 14, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
Quote from: caster troy on May 14, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
Collymore says the shortlist is 2 Prem managers and 2 out of work managers...

Lambert
Martinez
Villas-Boas
????
McLeish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 04:07:58 PM
Guardiola??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 04:09:59 PM
Would Collymore already know the details of the shortlist?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 04:14:33 PM
We lost Ashley but Pudsey is now 4-1 to get the Villa job
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
The way I'd play it is to sound out AVB's agent to see if he's interested, which I don't think he will be unless there's a lot of money to spend, and then go in strongly for Lambert.

Actually, if Randy does want to start spending again I could see him using that as a lure to try and get Moyes again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 04:22:05 PM
I think from that statement they'll be making an ambitious appointment now and they understand what is expected.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 04:22:51 PM
We've already got the man onboard...step up Peter Grant.

What?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on May 14, 2012, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: usav on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Hoddle or Capello.

I thought Capello with Wilkins would be a sound appointment.

UTV
The Doc


Actually that's a good, but very expensive, shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 14, 2012, 04:23:36 PM

 1. Brendan Rodgers. for philosophy on football although unrealistic
 2. Martinez - for philosophy on football although not sure he could deal with disruptive influences in squad
 3. Lambert - Looks as if he could deal with the disruptive influences in squad, would get results instantly but not sure how long he'd stay loyal for.
 4. Villas Boas - as talented as he is an unrealistic choice. Would require a big transfer kitty. Will end up somewhere bigger.
 
Darkhorse - Flores ?

Do not want
 
 Curbishley - been too long out of game
 Hughton - not done enough for me to prove he could do job ( not where he came from :) )
 Hoddle/wilkins or any other London boys. Dont know why but just wouldn't feel right.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
The way I'd play it is to sound out AVB's agent to see if he's interested, which I don't think he will be unless there's a lot of money to spend, and then go in strongly for Lambert.

Actually, if Randy does want to start spending again I could see him using that as a lure to try and get Moyes again.

Couild someone please explain to me the attraction of AVB. Unsuccessful in the Premiership, and moderately successful for one season with a team in a second tier foreign league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: usav on May 14, 2012, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: usav on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Hoddle or Capello.

I said drunkenly in the pub a few weeks ago about Hoddle - the more i think about it the more i would not be unhappy at all with him

We would see some decent football played, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Not sure I really want Lambert. It's all a bit MON-ball, hump-it-to-the-big-guy, run really hard and fast, get and score from set-pieces, limited self-expression for unheralded, rather jobsworthy players. It's all very admirable, but I don't think it really has the nuance that would suit us - it's bit too much underdog for us, if we really want to push on and get some swagger and assurance.

Go for AVB, I say. Promise him funds, as this is the last year before FFP comes in and we can use them, allow him to modernise and revolutionise everything he wants to, get rid of the bad apples and troublemakers, bring in, essentially, a new defence, utilise and develop the young talent and go for top 8 next season, and build on that. Hah, bloody easy this appointment lark, eh?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 04:22:05 PM
I think from that statement they'll be making an ambitious appointment now and they understand what is expected.

Is what I think too. Bring it on!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 14, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
Got to be Martinez! - Although he is linked with liverpool if Kenny gets sacked!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: myf on May 14, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
I'm wondering why martinez would come now when he turned us down last year.  perhaps an increased salary and a decent amount of cash to spend?  However, think he'll wait to see what happens at Liverpool.  Think its got Lambert written all over it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Not sure I really want Lambert. It's all a bit MON-ball, hump-it-to-the-big-guy, run really hard and fast, get and score from set-pieces, limited self-expression for unheralded, rather jobsworthy players. It's all very admirable, but I don't think it really has the nuance that would suit us - it's bit too much underdog for us, if we really want to push on and get some swagger and assurance.

Go for AVB, I say. Promise him funds, as this is the last year before FFP comes in and we can use them, allow him to modernise and revolutionise everything he wants to, get rid of the bad apples and troublemakers, bring in, essentially, a new defence, utilise and develop the young talent and go for top 8 next season, and build on that. Hah, bloody easy this appointment lark, eh?

I agree with you. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 14, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
Quote from: myf on May 14, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
I'm wondering why martinez would come now when he turned us down last year.  perhaps an increased salary and a decent amount of cash to spend?  However, think he'll wait to see what happens at Liverpool.  Think its got Lambert written all over it.

 He turned us down because of an agreement with Whelan he'd already stay on. Personally I think its admirable. And clever too looking at how this season has worked out for us. Leave it a year, wait for some to do a terrible job having to use the likes of heskey etc then when you come in any improvement would look amazing in comparison.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on May 14, 2012, 04:38:05 PM
I think after the MON disaster and the fiasco that was the season gone, that we need a coaching manager. Who fits that bill? We need the next Moyes, or even Moyes himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on May 14, 2012, 04:38:05 PM
I think after the MON disaster and the fiasco that was the season gone, that we need a coaching manager. Who fits that bill? We need the next Moyes, or even Moyes himself.

oh no, not the Moyes conundrum again
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Not sure I really want Lambert. It's all a bit MON-ball, hump-it-to-the-big-guy, run really hard and fast, get and score from set-pieces, limited self-expression for unheralded, rather jobsworthy players. It's all very admirable, but I don't think it really has the nuance that would suit us - it's bit too much underdog for us, if we really want to push on and get some swagger and assurance.

Go for AVB, I say. Promise him funds, as this is the last year before FFP comes in and we can use them, allow him to modernise and revolutionise everything he wants to, get rid of the bad apples and troublemakers, bring in, essentially, a new defence, utilise and develop the young talent and go for top 8 next season, and build on that. Hah, bloody easy this appointment lark, eh?

I agree with you.

Ditto
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
Anybody apart from:
Roeder
Curbishley
McCarthy
Connor
McLaren
Avram Grant
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
in a way i want it to be a name no one has  mentioned before, someone left field, and edgy, someone who's very choice would say randy's grown a pair and is involved and engaged in the Villa again? Just a thought
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 14, 2012, 04:47:46 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Not sure I really want Lambert. It's all a bit MON-ball, hump-it-to-the-big-guy, run really hard and fast, get and score from set-pieces, limited self-expression for unheralded, rather jobsworthy players. It's all very admirable, but I don't think it really has the nuance that would suit us - it's bit too much underdog for us, if we really want to push on and get some swagger and assurance.

Go for AVB, I say. Promise him funds, as this is the last year before FFP comes in and we can use them, allow him to modernise and revolutionise everything he wants to, get rid of the bad apples and troublemakers, bring in, essentially, a new defence, utilise and develop the young talent and go for top 8 next season, and build on that. Hah, bloody easy this appointment lark, eh?

I agree with you.

Ditto




 I think we should learn from last seasons mistakes. Dont go after a manager on the way down but rather on the way up. Steer clear from your usualy high profile out of work managers like Rafa, Ranieri etc and go for current relatively successful upcoming newcomers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
Whilst I am pleased it is the case, doesn't it seem just two seconds since we were discussing all of this last time round with at least some of the same names. Not sure my brain can take all the arguing about who would be best again
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
AVB is heavily linked with Roma and I have it on good authority Flores would be a disaster!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
I think we need to be realistic that whomever we appoint, still has a monumentally tough job on their hands. Club policy is not going to alter and we are still lower half of the table at best until we get rid of last of the high earners and replace them. We have got to get a manager in who can work with youth players and find talent wherever it may be. Ideal would be Van Gaal of course, but back in the real world Lambert is the only choice that ticks these boxes.
As a club we´re a long way still from the return to glory days and nights, but at least Lambert would restart the long climb back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 04:51:55 PM
I notice Risso didn't exclude Paul Ince...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 14, 2012, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
Whilst I am pleased it is the case, doesn't it seem just two seconds since we were discussing all of this last time round with at least some of the same names. Not sure my brain can take all the arguing about who would be best again

 Disagree I applaud at how quickly the board have reacted. Now we can all have a wonderful summer of speculation and renewed hope!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 04:53:43 PM
Although he's not my first choice I've had a fiver on Paul Lambert. But watch this space, Roberto Di Matteo is my favourite come what may on Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
Anybody apart from:
Roeder
Curbishley
McCarthy
Connor
McLaren
Avram Grant

Risso confirms he wouldn't mind Steve Bruce as manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DeKuip on May 14, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Not sure I really want Lambert. It's all a bit MON-ball, hump-it-to-the-big-guy, run really hard and fast, get and score from set-pieces, limited self-expression for unheralded, rather jobsworthy players. It's all very admirable, but I don't think it really has the nuance that would suit us - it's bit too much underdog for us, if we really want to push on and get some swagger and assurance.

I was thinking the same yesterday as those around me were chanting his name.

I really don't know who I want, although I'm realistic enough to rule out a few of the names that will no doubt crop up again. I just want to see us move into the 21st century at some stage soon with our style of play.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
i think it will be either Lambert or Martinez
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
in a way i want it to be a name no one has  mentioned before, someone left field, and edgy, someone who's very choice would say randy's grown a pair and is involved and engaged in the Villa again? Just a thought
Dean Saunders?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 04:55:16 PM
Steve Bruce has taken his house off the market, according to a bloke I know who is an estate agent. May be nothing in it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
Steve Bruce has taken his house off the market, according to a bloke I know who is an estate agent. May be nothing in it.

Stop it Jon. NOW!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
AVB is heavily linked with Roma and I have it on good authority Flores would be a disaster!
Thought Roma had lined up an ex player? Can't think of his name though
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MarkM on May 14, 2012, 04:56:11 PM
I just hope the next appointment is handled better than the last.

The fudge the board made of it made Villa look second rate
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:56:17 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 04:55:16 PM
Steve Bruce has taken his house off the market, according to a bloke I know who is an estate agent. May be nothing in it.


Heard you the first time but not biting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:54:22 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
Anybody apart from:
Roeder
Curbishley
McCarthy
Connor
McLaren
Avram Grant

Risso confirms he wouldn't mind Steve Bruce as manager.

Shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on May 14, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:54:55 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
in a way i want it to be a name no one has  mentioned before, someone left field, and edgy, someone who's very choice would say randy's grown a pair and is involved and engaged in the Villa again? Just a thought
Dean Saunders?
Chris Powell?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Adventurer on May 14, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
Neil Lennon......... 8)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 04:57:10 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 04:55:16 PM
Steve Bruce has taken his house off the market, according to a bloke I know who is an estate agent. May be nothing in it.



and he has a Letter from Fergie with him by all accounts
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 14, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
AVB is heavily linked with Roma and I have it on good authority Flores would be a disaster!
Thought Roma had lined up an ex player? Can't think of his name though

Vicenzo Montella
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 14, 2012, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 04:23:53 PM

Couild someone please explain to me the attraction of AVB. Unsuccessful in the Premiership, and moderately successful for one season with a team in a second tier foreign league.

He's got the word Vila in his name!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 04:57:20 PM
It must be somebody we can give a free rein to - a project for them to develop it into their club (like Moyes I guess). With the right backing etc I think it would appeal to Martinez, Rodgers etc..
Most football people know that whoever could get it right at Villa would be onto a big thing.......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:57:30 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 14, 2012, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
Whilst I am pleased it is the case, doesn't it seem just two seconds since we were discussing all of this last time round with at least some of the same names. Not sure my brain can take all the arguing about who would be best again

 Disagree I applaud at how quickly the board have reacted. Now we can all have a wonderful summer of speculation and renewed hope!

That isn't what I meant at all, never mind. I was talking about how it seems two seconds since we were knee deep in this debate last summer. Frightening how quickly time passes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
Steve Bruce has taken his house off the market, according to a bloke I know who is an estate agent. May be nothing in it.

Stop it Jon. NOW!!!

He's hurting, leave him be for a bit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 05:01:21 PM
Martinez is favourite with the bookies and I dont want him. Reasons - dont want another manager who is fighting relegation every season with his previous club. And if anyone says what about the style of football? Well it can't be that good as Wigan are favourites to go down every year, so in my opinion its not good enough.

Lambert is second fave and I dont want him. Reasons - well I remember George Burley having a great first season, Phil Brown another...what makes Lambert so special. Reminds me of another Oneill, plays with 2 lumps up front and is teams work hard. Didnt McLeish's Birmingham have the tag of "hard workers"?

I feel Villa need to move with the times, when was the last time we had a manager with real credentials. Not I worked in Scotland and won some pots, not I blew £150 million and relegated a club and not I once played for a season at Villa! We need right now, not next season or 10, right now we need a real manager who know the science of football from top to bottom. Someone who has European pedigree, someone who commands respect for what he has achieved in the game, someone like Wenger who sensed his club needed a vision.

Im fed up of half arsed appointments who last 1 year and get sacked. I blame Lerner and Faulkner for being as clueless as the ginger guy we had in charge 10 minutes ago, and its now up to them to show "US" what real credentials they have in getting the right man for many years in charge of our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

What???   We've got Alan Hutton don't you know...!!! 

Agreed, whoever comes in has to have the biggest clearance since Big Ron when he took over from Dr Joe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dappadan on May 14, 2012, 05:06:03 PM
Don't post much but absolutely delighted with this news. He should never have been here in the first place.

What is Martin Laursen doing these days? Get him in and at least we might score from a corner.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 14, 2012, 05:10:26 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

I hope the incoming manager realises that this is one hell of a task.  We heard fro MON that this was a 5 year project, well after slipping back over the last couple of seasons its probably more like a 10 year one.

Whoever it is will inherit what is left of a squad after the savage prunning this season that have proved to be unable to gel as a team and show little respect for what they appear to learn on the training pitch.

We need a skilled sugeon who hopefully is given the tools to dig deep and relite the fire in the heart of the club and its players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

Don't agree. There is a core of 7/8 good senior pro's who any half decent manager should be able to organise/motivate into a pretty competent team for the short/medium term.

Given
Holman
Dunne or Collins (No harm in keeping one of them for a bit)
N,Zogbia
Ireland
Gabby
Bent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.

never underestimate though the value of confidence, morale and good coaching. It can do wonders even for players that look like duffers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on May 14, 2012, 05:11:51 PM
Any of the good young managers that are out there would do for me, AVB would be great or DiMatteo but do it quickly Villa so we can plan for the long term.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: j66acd on May 14, 2012, 05:12:05 PM
This calls for another poll.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 14, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.

I disagree...

Stan has been on talk sport saying we are a bottom 5 squad... if thats the case why sack mcleish as he avoided the drop and thats all you can ask of a bottom 5 squad!

I honestly dont think we need that much adding to the team...

We have Bent, Ireland, Given, NZogbia as our senior experienced good players (agree not enough)

Then promising youngsters with t he right coaching we have:

Clarke, Lichaj, Baker looked good, Albrighton, Bannan, Herd, Gardner, Carruthers and of course Weimann!

I like the look of it...  Just the defence that look worrying...

To my that implies that the goals conceded and set pieces are as expected this season, but we should of been banging in the goals... not just 37!!!!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
'However, Villa's American owner is also a long-term admirer of Moyes, who has been at Everton since 2002.

Villa know it would take around £7million in compensation to the Goodison Park club to get their man - and his large backroom staff.

US tycoon Lerner would also have to free up millions for transfers to lure the 49-year-old away from Everton, where he has a limited budget.

Villa will need to ascertain whether Moyes would quit for them if they make an official approach - they know they cannot afford to publicly miss out on a rival boss again.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.

never underestimate though the value of confidence, morale and good coaching. It can do wonders even for players that look like duffers.

This is why the appointment is so crucial, with the right man we can to make small steps up the league next season, but we are a very long way away from MON´s reign, until Lerner invests once more in the squad. Confidence will take us so far and an improved style of play will make us all feel better, but as fans we are going to have to temper our expectations for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Could we have a poll please? With not in any particular order.......
1. Paul Lambert
2. Brendan Rodgers
3. Roberto Di Matteo
4. Roberto Martinez
5. AN Other.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 14, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
Nice to see everyone pretty much realising the new manager needs to get rid of the idiots we MUST ship out ie Warnock and Collins. Id say Dunne too but Im guessing out of him and Collins he is the lesser of two evils. Both in their last year of contracts? I'd take £3m for the pair and buy a new LB.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
Not Steve Bruce, curbs or mccarthy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nick harper on May 14, 2012, 05:22:22 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 14, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.

I disagree...

Stan has been on talk sport saying we are a bottom 5 squad... if thats the case why sack mcleish as he avoided the drop and thats all you can ask of a bottom 5 squad!

I honestly dont think we need that much adding to the team...

We have Bent, Ireland, Given, NZogbia as our senior experienced good players (agree not enough)

Then promising youngsters with t he right coaching we have:

Clarke, Lichaj, Baker looked good, Albrighton, Bannan, Herd, Gardner, Carruthers and of course Weimann!

I like the look of it...  Just the defence that look worrying...

To my that implies that the goals conceded and set pieces are as expected this season, but we should of been banging in the goals... not just 37!!!!



That squad is bottom half at best. We need to find out if any of these young players (not kids, most are in their early twenties) are good enough. That requires a manager with good coaching and motivational qualities. My gut feeling is that most will prove to be not good enough.

Another season of transition beckons - the third on the trot. My only consolation is that under McLeish, we would definitely have gone next season, so that alone is a step forward, but we need a huge overhaul.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 14, 2012, 05:25:41 PM
Not Martinez - he didn't have the bottle this time last year - so forget him

Lambert or Rodgers for me.

The latter could give us a few good newspaper headlines

"Villa give .................. a good Rodgering!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:26:35 PM
No to:

Bruce
Hughes
Sven
Capello
Martinez
Moyes
Curbs
Big Sam

Yes to:

Rodgers
Lambert
Klinnsman
Rikard
Big Ron
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 05:30:11 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.

Too old - whether we like it or not we are a project and need somebody with age on their side and a big desire to see the job through. Not short term fixes this time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 05:31:09 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.

McLeish was quite a likeable fellow. Quite frankly I'd take Harold Shipman managing us if he won us a cup.. Maybe..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
We need 5 players IMO minimum, between 22 and 27 but with experience of a fair few games.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
Also I thought Capello was awful for England - clueless at the WC finals. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
Also I thought Capello was awful for England - clueless at the WC finals. 

I thought he was alright when he toured Europe winning the league for twenty years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 05:11:11 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on May 14, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Whoever gets the job needs to be up for one hell of a challenge because individually and collectively the playing squad he will inherit is quite frankly shit.

My point precisely. Be under no illusions that once the dust settles, whoever we employ has a monumental job on their hands to haul this team away from the bottom six.

never underestimate though the value of confidence, morale and good coaching. It can do wonders even for players that look like duffers.

I agree. Whilst the original point is not to be scoffed at for one second, I never thought there was much difference in quality this season between some of the teams near or at the bottom and the likes of Everton, Newcastle and Stoke that a good dose of confidence and momentum couldn't put right. The crying shame of a season like the one just passed is that the league is so weak at the moment and yet we were unable to take advantage
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
Also I thought Capello was awful for England - clueless at the WC finals. 

I thought he was alright when he toured Europe winning the league for twenty years.
I go on what I saw with my own eyes and he was way out of his depth and in it just for the money.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:40:19 PM
Allardyce anybody?  *runs away*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fergal on May 14, 2012, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Could we have a poll please? With not in any particular order.......
1. Paul Lambert
2. Brendan Rodgers
3. Roberto Di Matteo
4. Roberto Martinez
5. AN Other.
I thought I was the only one who asked for polls...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villain at Hert on May 14, 2012, 05:41:43 PM
I'm still dizzy with relief that McLeish has gone, but, I would like to see us use some imagination and bravery with the next appointment. Not Bruce or McCarthy, that would be a like for like move. What about Koeman. He has had a great season at Feyenoord, has loads of experience in various European leagues. Didn't like him as a player, but Ithink he'd be a good move.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on May 14, 2012, 05:43:36 PM
The moose from Talksport has just tweeted:

@Moose_talkSPORT: Regarding Villa and Paul Lambert I've been told They wanted to talk to him but I dont know if they got permission from Norwich

James Nursery tweeted a few weeks back that if we approached Lambert, he would be interested.

Exciting times.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.
Mr. Saunders wasn't exactly the most likable of personalities. But there you go, do you want someone to trot out platitudes at the end of every match or do you want a bastard who will win us trophies?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:40:19 PM
Allardyce anybody?  *runs away*

you better leg it otherwise the bricks and broken bottles will hit you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.
Mr. Saunders wasn't exactly the most likable of personalities. But there you go, do you want someone to trot out platitudes at the end of every match or do you want a bastard who will win us trophies?

Saunders wasn't likeable?   Okay.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
I'm just glad nobody's suggested Ian Holloway this time round....!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
I'm just glad nobody's suggested Ian Holloway this time round....!!!
He would be okay for a season and then hit a ceiling like MON.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers

Why go for Martinez when he told us to get lost last season...........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers

Why go for Martinez when he told us to get lost last season...........

Because we're grown ups, not children?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mal on May 14, 2012, 05:57:39 PM
Capello is almost certain to go to chelsea IMO even if di Mateo wins  at the weekend.
Of the locals
Rodgers Win % 41.17 (prem only)
Lambert Win % 42.46
Moyes Win %    41.86
 would all do.
Didier Deschamps, Slaven Bilic or Paolo Di Canio if they would come, would too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers

Why go for Martinez when he told us to get lost last season...........

Because we're grown ups, not children?

Not for me and he isnt the tactical genius he is made out as for the first 4 months of every season his teams are rubbish
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
A sense of relief and release just now. All I can say is please don't make another 'mistake' Mr Lerner!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
At the moment it feels like the world's our oyster, but of the candidates that seem at least a little bit gettable, I think I'd be pleased with Martinez, Lambert, or Di Matteo. And there's a bunch of those foreign, non-premier-league-experienced types out there, too, although of course that would be mental.

I personally don't think there is any chance at all of the likes of Villas Boas, Moyes, Benitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
I wanted Paul Lambert 12 months ago and nothing that he's done since has dissuaded me from my view that he would do a very good job for us. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Keeno on May 14, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Jurgen Klopp?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:46:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Capello anyone ?
Dont like him.   I want to be able to actually like the next manager.
Mr. Saunders wasn't exactly the most likable of personalities. But there you go, do you want someone to trot out platitudes at the end of every match or do you want a bastard who will win us trophies?

Saunders wasn't likeable?   Okay.
I met Mr. Saunders on a fair few occasions during his time at Villa Park and believe me he came across as someone who was driven by his vision for the club and that he would do anything in his power to achieve those aims. He never gave me the impression that he went out of his way to court the fans acceptance of him. And having met and spoken to some of the players that played for him, I know that he never went out of his way to endear himself to them either. Despite the fact that those same players would have walked on fire for him.
I'm not interested in whether the new manager is a 'likable fellow' or not. All I want is a manager that has a clear vision of where he wants to take the club and a board that buys into that vision.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 06:11:00 PM
A sense of relief and release has taken hold just now. All I can say is please, Mr Lerner, do not make another 'mistake'!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 14, 2012, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: Keeno on May 14, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Jurgen Klopp?!
Would be the absolute top of my list without a doubt, sadly he's going onto bigger things than us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
Slaven Bilic has already agreed to become Lokomotiv Moscow boss after Croatia's Euro 2012 adventure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers

Why go for Martinez when he told us to get lost last season...........

Because we're grown ups, not children?

Not for me and he isnt the tactical genius he is made out as for the first 4 months of every season his teams are rubbish


so keeping Wigan the smallest club in the Prem by some distance is just a bit of luck ?

working mainly with other peoples cast offs and turning them into better players, whilst at the same time sticking to his footballing principles and trying to play the game on the floor is nothing to do with tactics ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:20:45 PM
Quote from: john e on May 14, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers

Why go for Martinez when he told us to get lost last season...........

Because we're grown ups, not children?

Not for me and he isnt the tactical genius he is made out as for the first 4 months of every season his teams are rubbish


so keeping Wigan the smallest club in the Prem by some distance is just a bit of luck ?

working mainly with other peoples cast offs and turning them into better players, whilst at the same time sticking to his footballing principles and trying to play the game on the floor is nothing to do with tactics ?


And Wigan only turning up in the last four weeks of the season? Again.

He's done nothing up there to convince me he's any good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Keeno on May 14, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 14, 2012, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: Keeno on May 14, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Jurgen Klopp?!
Would be the absolute top of my list without a doubt, sadly he's going onto bigger things than us.

Now that WOULD be a statement of intent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
Lambert for Villa!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Martinez is now odds on with most bookies. Lambert out to 5-2/3-1.
Ranieri, Benitez 14/16-1 with odds falling.  Klinsmann out to 33-1. Brendan Rodgers looks like getting a few bob on him. Who knows, but Martinez in the man for me; If we can get him.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Martinez is now odds on with most bookies. Lambert out to 5-2/3-1.
Ranieri, Benitez 14/16-1 with odds falling.  Klinsmann out to 33-1. Brendan Rodgers looks like getting a few bob on him. Who knows, but Martinez in the man for me; If we can get him.



Brian, after what I've seen this season I'd take a Spit the Dog/Bob Carolgies dream team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
I don't get the Martinez love-in, but each to their own opinion! It's still Lambert for me, I just think he'd be a great fit, however, a Frank Rijkard (sp?) type wouldn't go amiss if Norwich want silly compo for him!

Lambert and Martinez both have 3 years left on their present contracts I believe, not that that really makes any difference these days!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
I wonder if there is any real likelihood of a DoF appointment to work above the current coaching team? And what kind of reaction would that get?

I don't think it's a goer, to be honest. I think it really does need a strong manager to come in and completely change the culture at the club (by which I mean, get rid of Dunne, Collins, Hutton...;-)), and I doubt that keeping MacDonald et al would achieve that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 14, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
Martinez is not the man for Villa.

He wasnt last season, he isnt now.

Paul Lambert gets my vote. Any plans for a Poll for this thread?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
On way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 06:44:02 PM
Martinez odds on
Do the bookies know something we don't or are they just covering themselves
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
I do wonder why Martninez only gets his teams to play when it matters and that puts me off. The last thing we want is another relegation scrap.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 14, 2012, 06:45:03 PM
I'm pretty sure we'll end up with Lambert, which I think would be a good appointment, he'd certainly get us organised and playing with discipline and I'm sure the crowd would give him the time to implement his ways after the disastrous McLeish era.
However there's a nagging thought in my head and that's that of Villa-Boas, while he'd no doubt be a risk I can't help but think if we took the chance that he could go onto be one of our finest appointments ever made. He's going to be desperate for another crack at the premier league after his unsuccessful time at Chelsea, he knows the European leagues inside out and tries to play attacking attractive football, I just have the feeling we'd be perfect for each other but I doubt it's a risk that Randy would be willing to take and will go for the sensible safe option of Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 14, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
I do wonder why Martninez only gets his teams to play when it matters and that puts me off. The last thing we want is another relegation scrap.

Exactly, I dont buy into how great a manager he is, as Wigan lost 8 on the bounce back in November and were written off, its not like he took over at Wigan in January and has saved them from the abyss in 4 months!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyDaleysHair on May 14, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
My mates just told me he's gone the gym (the Belfry) and Martinez is in there.

I don't believe he would wind me up (he told me he's being straight...but he is a nose, and if he was surely he would say a silly name) , but I would take an educated guess that as he's gone to odds on with the bookmakers that he has possibly been seen round here by others?

If its true that seems like some inbelievably rapid action by the board.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 14, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
I'd be happy with either Lambert or AVB, but not with Martinez. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
I don't get the Martinez love-in, but each to their own opinion! It's still Lambert for me, I just think he'd be a great fit, however, a Frank Rijkard (sp?) type wouldn't go amiss if Norwich want silly compo for him!

Lambert and Martinez both have 3 years left on their present contracts I believe, not that that really makes any difference these days!
Neither do I - he gets Wigan to play for about 7 games a season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
Can anyone confirm if Martinez is at The Belfry?
Sounds like bull to me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 14, 2012, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
I do wonder why Martninez only gets his teams to play when it matters and that puts me off. The last thing we want is another relegation scrap.

Because Wigan lose their best players every summer, it seems to take a while for the replacements to get going.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 06:57:19 PM
Please god not Martinez.

Don't be fooled that his stock has risen over the past month just because they've won a few games with the relegation monster snapping at their arseholes. All it proves is the guy struggles with motivating his players until fear and crisis forces the issue on his behalf.

Let Liverpool have him. Believe me, they'll turn into an easy touch overnight, like a bunch a pretty boys with the underbelly of a marshmallow.

And if you want some stats, how about these:

26% win ratio over the last three seasons.

Spurs 9 - Wigan 1

Chelsea 8 - Wigan 0

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 14, 2012, 06:58:23 PM
According to SSN Claudio Ranieri has said he would be interested in Villa vacancy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 07:00:12 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
Can anyone confirm if Martinez is at The Belfry?
Sounds like bull to me
They are having a cocktail night there tonight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
Can anyone confirm if Martinez is at The Belfry?

Sounds like someone is pulling someone's sally. 

(joke for all you campanologists out there)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 07:00:55 PM
Fabio (Technical director) and AVB (head coach) as a nice cheap option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
Martinez is favourite with the bookies and I dont want him. Reasons - dont want another manager who is fighting relegation every season with his previous club. And if anyone says what about the style of football? Well it can't be that good as Wigan are favourites to go down every year, so in my opinion its not good enough.

Lambert is second fave and I dont want him. Reasons - well I remember George Burley having a great first season, Phil Brown another...what makes Lambert so special. Reminds me of another Oneill, plays with 2 lumps up front and is teams work hard. Didnt McLeish's Birmingham have the tag of "hard workers"?

I feel Villa need to move with the times, when was the last time we had a manager with real credentials. Not I worked in Scotland and won some pots, not I blew £150 million and relegated a club and not I once played for a season at Villa! We need right now, not next season or 10, right now we need a real manager who know the science of football from top to bottom. Someone who has European pedigree, someone who commands respect for what he has achieved in the game, someone like Wenger who sensed his club needed a vision.

Im fed up of half arsed appointments who last 1 year and get sacked. I blame Lerner and Faulkner for being as clueless as the ginger guy we had in charge 10 minutes ago, and its now up to them to show "US" what real credentials they have in getting the right man for many years in charge of our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 06:57:19 PM
Please god not Martinez.

Don't be fooled that his stock has risen over the past month just because they've won a few games with the relegation monster snapping at their arseholes. All it proves is the guy struggles with motivating his players until fear and crisis forces the issue on his behalf.

Let Liverpool have him. Believe me, they'll turn into an easy touch overnight, like a bunch a pretty boys with the underbelly of a marshmallow.

And if you want some stats, how about these:

26% win ratio over the last three seasons.

Spurs 9 - Wigan 1

Chelsea 8 - Wigan 0



Absolutely agree. Martinez teams are not only a soft touch, but utterly shit. I'd be very disappointed if we were to get him in, and he turned us down last summer. No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
Yep, the next Arsene Wenger would be nice.

But who would that be exactly?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
Isn't it completely ace that we are arguing over who the next Villa manager should be in a non-hypothetical manner?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 07:01:06 PM

Lambert is second fave and I dont want him. Reasons - well I remember George Burley having a great first season, Phil Brown another...what makes Lambert so special. Reminds me of another Oneill, plays with 2 lumps up front and is teams work hard. Didnt McLeish's Birmingham have the tag of "hard workers"?

You can't possibly be comparing Lambert with McLeish. Lambert got Norwich into the Prem from League 1 in three seasons, and did well with them in their first season back in the top division.

The only thing that I can see going against us with Lambert is Martin O'Neill having a word with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 14, 2012, 07:08:22 PM

  Is this Martinez the manager of Wigan.....who have a wage bill, a quarter of ours, who sell their best players at the start of every season, who demolished Noocastle with a performance i have'nt seen down VP since BFR in his pomp, who beat Ure, Lplop, Arse, more than we have this season.

  Our sights have been lowered, and for me a Martinez, Lambert, Or Rogers would be the right move for us at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
Isn't it completely ace that we are arguing over who the next Villa manager should be in a non-hypothetical manner?

Yep, and even better that I wouldn't mind any of the names being mentioned.  Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers, AVB, di Matteo.  Not fussy!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
Isn't it completely ace that we are arguing over who the next Villa manager should be in a non-hypothetical manner?

Exactly,i think today,all threads ike these should be locked and we should be lacing daisys into each others hair.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
Ranieri wants the job according to ssn - at least we are attracting managers already.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 07:27:30 PM
Ranieri? Not a bad option, that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 07:28:14 PM
 I think given the brief that the new manager will have, it can only be one of a few choices namely Rodgers, Lambert, Poyet or Martinez. As known as Ranieri is, I just cannot see him working under such strict conditions.
Of course I shall now be praying to my Louis Van Gaal shrine in the vein belief that he'll see us a challenge where he could build a lasting legacy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
Of that list Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 07:29:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 14, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
Ranieri wants the job according to ssn - at least we are attracting managers already.

Ranieri wants a job because he keeps getting fired. Has anyone been fired as much as him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
Ranieri would be an exciting gamble
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 14, 2012, 07:31:20 PM
I wouldn't mind McDermott from reading, I think he is from the same school of thoughts the likes of lambert and rogers i.e playing good football.

Seen him on goals on Sunday a couple of weeks a go and he came across very well, seem to have a good knowledge and some passion.

Only problem is that he has not been tested in premier league but neither had lambert or rogers.

Don't think we'll be competing at top end for a little while so I'd like to see some good football while a young manager with passion rebuilds the squad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Boz on May 14, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
How about Poyet??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rodders on May 14, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: Boz on May 14, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
How about Poyet??

My Brighton-supporting chum is cacking himself at this prospect...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: midnite on May 14, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
I'm quite surprised at the anti Martinez idea. After all Rogers' success with Swansea surely can be attributed to the foundations Martinez put down at the club before moving on. What he's achieving with Wigan is pretty fantastic year in year out, while playing good football.

I'm not sure who I want to be honest. I wouldn't be upset if Martinez or Lambert came rocking up at VP.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:45:43 PM
Poyet would be a risky - but exciting - appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
Ranieri would be an exciting gamble

I disagree, think he's another McLeech with a better CV. Someone like Poyet would be an exciting gamble, but of those in the poll above, Lambert is easily the best option given the squad that he'll inherit and the experience he has to date, at least IMHO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheMalandro on May 14, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
after Mcleish, I cant see myself getting too upset at any appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: midnite on May 14, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
I'm quite surprised at the anti Martinez idea. After all Rogers' success with Swansea surely can be attributed to the foundations Martinez put down at the club before moving on. What he's achieving with Wigan is pretty fantastic year in year out, while playing good football.

I'm not sure who I want to be honest. I wouldn't be upset if Martinez or Lambert came rocking up at VP.

Wigan don't play good football. They attempt to pass it about and get cut to ribbons; they're the new Coventry City, constantly dicing with relegation. Martinez could only get them playing for the last month of the season. As crazy as I am, I expect more from a Villa side.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 07:30:14 PM
Ranieri would be an exciting gamble

Ranieri would be a total disaster.

It has to be one of those options for me. This 2 in premier league and 2 out of work is an interesting one. But lets be realistic, AVB is not going to come without a big budget and did not cover himself in glory at Chelsea, so for me we have to gamble on one of the ones above.

If going for one of them, it would be Rodgers for me. I like his approach and ideas to football, keeping possession and trying to win the the right way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Yossarian on May 14, 2012, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: Rodders on May 14, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
Quote from: Boz on May 14, 2012, 07:32:10 PM
How about Poyet??

My Brighton-supporting chum is cacking himself at this prospect...


I've heard this today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chooch on May 14, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
Id like to see Malky Mackay given a chance. Hes done a brilliant job at Cardiff this season on a shoestring budget ( i seem to recall he only had 10 playing staff on the books when he took over last summer )..Cardiff have played attacking football and where unlucky in the league cup final.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrastonvilla on May 14, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Paul Lambert for me, think he could get the best out of what we currently have and would bring in what we need in terms of organising the side.

I think Martinez after last years public no thank you is probably a non starter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 14, 2012, 07:54:18 PM
It will be Alan Curbishley if Dowie turns us down.

I have no faith in Lerner and co making the correct appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: midnite on May 14, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
I'm quite surprised at the anti Martinez idea. After all Rogers' success with Swansea surely can be attributed to the foundations Martinez put down at the club before moving on. What he's achieving with Wigan is pretty fantastic year in year out, while playing good football.

I'm not sure who I want to be honest. I wouldn't be upset if Martinez or Lambert came rocking up at VP.

Martinez got Swans from Lg 1 to Championship then jumped at the first chance of a 'bigger' job! Rodgers took over and took them to the Prem, having made a hash of Reading previously. Lambert and Rodgers both finished above Martinez in their first season in the Prem who now has two seasons of relegation fighting as his claim to fame (what you call 'pretty fantastic' I think shows him up at this point, but now that he's had time he may go on to better if he stays at Wigan, I'll give him that). Therefore, I see them as better options.

Given that Rodgers failed with a mixed squad inherited at Reading and has done well with a footballing one inherited at Swansea, Lambert gets my vote because he has the proven experience with a mixed bag, which lets face it, is what he'd inherit at Villa.

For me, in terms of choices in order on the above reasoning, it would be Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 08:00:26 PM
Id forgot Lambert led Wycombe to the Carling Cup semi-final beating 2 Prem teams on the way and drew 1-1 with chelski in the semi.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maigrait on May 14, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
Poyet has done a decent job at Brighton. Be good to have him and then perhaps a more experienced director of football doing the transfers, etc. Not comoli though...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:48:20 PM

Wigan don't play good football. They attempt to pass it about and get cut to ribbons; they're the new Coventry City, constantly dicing with relegation. Martinez could only get them playing for the last month of the season. As crazy as I am, I expect more from a Villa side.

If you look at the league table for the second half of the season, Wigan would be 7th, Villa 19th.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 14, 2012, 08:04:30 PM
I can't bring myself to be excited this time. Not after last summer's twitter-fest.

Rodgers would be my first choice but I think lambert might be a safer bet.

I haven't watched norwich enough to know quite how direct they are. But I prefer my football smooth and silky and think 433 may well be the way to go.

Rodgers would need time and patience though. Not sure if he'd get that.

Whoever takes the job has a big job on their hands. We won't be troubling the top 6 for awhile. I hope most fans recognise this. A good proportion seem to like to grumble no matter what
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:48:20 PM

Wigan don't play good football. They attempt to pass it about and get cut to ribbons; they're the new Coventry City, constantly dicing with relegation. Martinez could only get them playing for the last month of the season. As crazy as I am, I expect more from a Villa side.

If you look at the league table for the second half of the season, Wigan would be 7th, Villa 19th.

I don't see how Martinez avoiding relegation for the third season running qualifies him for the job at Villa. There's major work to do here and I just don't think he was what it takes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rancid custard on May 14, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
Whoever we get it will be wrong. We can't draw the bigger names, the out of work lot of Benitez's ilk are over rated which leaves the Lambert, Rodgers types, who I could only ever see transforming us into consistent mid tablers a la Everton. That said I do place the financial security and continued existence of our club more highly than a bit of silverware.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2012, 08:08:11 PM
My mates a Norwich fan and he thinks Lambert is brilliant. He would be devastated if he left.

I'd like Martinez but I think the safer bet is Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:48:20 PM

Wigan don't play good football. They attempt to pass it about and get cut to ribbons; they're the new Coventry City, constantly dicing with relegation. Martinez could only get them playing for the last month of the season. As crazy as I am, I expect more from a Villa side.

If you look at the league table for the second half of the season, Wigan would be 7th, Villa 19th.


i'm lovin seeing you argue the case for Martinez even if its only in a luke warm way after our 'debates' over him last season.

its amazing how much can change by having an absolute rubbish manager for a season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Are there any managers who are always brilliant in the first half of a season? I was thinking we could appoint one, then sack him at Christmas. Replace with Moyes/Martinez and we'd win the league!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:12:47 PM
Quote from: john e on May 14, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:48:20 PM

Wigan don't play good football. They attempt to pass it about and get cut to ribbons; they're the new Coventry City, constantly dicing with relegation. Martinez could only get them playing for the last month of the season. As crazy as I am, I expect more from a Villa side.

If you look at the league table for the second half of the season, Wigan would be 7th, Villa 19th.


i'm lovin seeing you argue the case for Martinez even if its only in a luke warm way after our 'debates' over him last season.

its amazing how much can change by having an absolute rubbish manager for a season.

He wouldn't be my first choice, but I think he's done a good job this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Are there any managers who are always brilliant in the first half of a season? I was thinking we could appoint one, then sack him at Christmas. Replace with Moyes/Martinez and we'd win the league!

Curbishley!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Are there any managers who are always brilliant in the first half of a season? I was thinking we could appoint one, then sack him at Christmas. Replace with Moyes/Martinez and we'd win the league!

Curbishley!

Gregory or John Beck
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Are there any managers who are always brilliant in the first half of a season? I was thinking we could appoint one, then sack him at Christmas. Replace with Moyes/Martinez and we'd win the league!

Curbishley!

Yikes!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Left Side on May 14, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
Lambert for my vote but anyone is better than the previous manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 14, 2012, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 07:28:14 PM

Of course I shall now be praying to my Louis Van Gaal shrine in the vein belief that he'll see us a challenge where he could build a lasting legacy.
I foolishly had some money on him last year and look what we ended up with! This would be my dream appointment but I'd be suprised uf they got someone from abroad. There's only a very select few who I would have a problem with if they were to get the job. McLeish / Lerner have certainly done a good job lowering my expectations.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
Expectations suitably lowered over the last 12 months but I hope we don't go for a risky decision.  Hoddle, Hughton, Clarke, Holloway, Curbishley are a definite no for me.  Lambert, Rafa, AVB would be a yes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
Just an ambitious and thoughtful appointment would be good, with a semblance of a plan of where we are going.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 08:36:17 PM

Roberto Martinez11/10
Paul Lambert11/8
Gus Poyet7/1
Claudio Ranieri10/1
Alan Curbishley10/1
Rafa Benitez12/1
Martin Jol12/1
Brian McDermott14/1
Brendan Rogers16/1
Malky Mackay16/1
Ole Gunnar Solksjaer20/1

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 08:37:56 PM
They just said on R5 that Lambert is now 11/10 favourite with Martinez slipping!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 14, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
Just an ambitious and thoughtful appointment would be good, with a semblance of a plan of where we are going.
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 08:40:33 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 08:37:56 PM
They just said on R5 that Lambert is now 11/10 favourite with Martinez slipping!]

Certainly seems more smoke there. I would be happy with him and he would galvanise the support.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: gervilla on May 14, 2012, 08:40:43 PM
No to Martinez.
Lambert please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 08:43:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 08:37:56 PM
They just said on R5 that Lambert is now 11/10 favourite with Martinez slipping!

Id be happy with Lambert
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 08:43:55 PM
I'd forgotten about Rafa. Reckon he'll probably go back to Liverpool instead.

Kombouare would be an interesting appointment - had PSG top of Ligue 1 when he was sacked for not being famous enough. Our board will probably insist on EPL experience again, though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
I only hope that Karl Henry can be patient and wait until we have a manager in place before deciding on his future.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 08:46:07 PM
Of the logical & realistic names we could get my choice would probably be Poyet. With Lambert as the next safer choice. Be nice if it was a good leftfield choice though, rather than an AM type leftfield.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 14, 2012, 08:46:49 PM
Lambert was very non commital about his future so i think somethings been said, still thimk Moyes is the smokey.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dicedlam on May 14, 2012, 08:53:14 PM
I'd be very happy with Lambert. Other than that I would go for Poyet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2012, 08:53:31 PM
Am I alone in thinking that Lambert wouldn't necessarily be the perfect choice? He doesn't have any record of working with young players and his football is pretty boofy. I mean, part of the reason yesterday's performance was so shit was that we were so dominated by pretty basic football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 14, 2012, 08:55:19 PM
Lambert would be my choice. I think he's the right sort of manager for us now. He's a winner too and we need a bit of that mentality again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 14, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
Lambert but its up to who fergy sugests
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 14, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Martinez is now odds on with most bookies. Lambert out to 5-2/3-1.
Ranieri, Benitez 14/16-1 with odds falling.  Klinsmann out to 33-1. Brendan Rodgers looks like getting a few bob on him. Who knows, but Martinez in the man for me; If we can get him.



Brian, after what I've seen this season I'd take a Spit the Dog/Bob Carolgies dream team.

Spit the Dog..now yer talking. It works for 'Arry. Bring more canines into football with bite yer legs tactics.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
Fairly sure I read that Lambert's used more different systems/formations than any other Premiership manager this season. Tactical flexibility isn't something that most of the other candidates offer (Rodgers, particularly).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
Fairly sure I read that Lambert's used more different systems/formations than any other Premiership manager this season. Tactical flexibility isn't something that most of the other candidates offer (Rodgers, particularly).

He is tactically flexible. My only concerns are that he doesn't seem to sign players from abroad(that may be due to how Norwich have come up through the leagues) and defensively they were very shaky. However I'd hope he'd develop with us, so I'd be happy to have him as our manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:05:43 PM
I don't know why but I think the new manager might have a reasonable sum of money to spend. The statement from Lerner acknowledged errors over the last two seasons and suggested he is looking to rectify them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 14, 2012, 09:06:11 PM
Lambert. I'd say someone like Benitez has a more impressive CV and is probably a more knowledgable and capable manager, but Lambert would be less likely to cause division and friction within the club.

Same goes for any foreign appoint: we could get a very good manager from Spain, Germany or Holland, but there is always the risk that they don't "get" the Premier League and struggle.

Lambert would have everyone behind him, hit the ground running and do a decent job regardless of the level on investment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:07:42 PM
I'd also be happy with Martinez, I think with better players he'd produce a good side.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
There was a Turkish bloke who I always thought would do well over here, cant mind his name but managed their national side and a few in Italy and Germany.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 14, 2012, 09:09:58 PM
Another vote of confidence for Lambert from a Norwich-supporting mate. He calls him 'God'. So I naturally told him that Paul McGrath is not in the running.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2012, 09:10:19 PM
Delighted with Randy's no nonsense statement today.  I think Randy might be angry with himself for listening and being taken in by Eck's shit.  The new man will be backed financially.  I'd love to see what AVB could do with a bit of money behind him. Young and exciting?  Could be exciting, as could Martinez, who has an eye for the south American bargain.  Lambert is the safe option I think, and could be the best choice.  I'd be happy with any of these.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
There was a Turkish bloke who I always thought would do well over here, cant mind his name but managed their national side and a few in Italy and Germany.

Fatih Terim?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
My concern with Martinez is that him and his teams have spent most of their Premiership lives bobbing around the relegation zone. 6 good games at the end of the season, two years on the bounce, don't make a fantastic manager. I'd prefer someone with a little more success as a manager. Whether we can get them is a totally different question.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Lambert is on the famous MON 1 year rolling contract...... interesting from a number of angles, if he is successful he goes cheap, but may mean getting him is easier...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
My concern with Martinez is that him and his teams have spent most of their Premiership lives bobbing around the relegation zone. 6 good games at the end of the season, two years on the bounce, don't make a fantastic manager. I'd prefer someone with a little more success as a manager. Whether we can get them is a totally different question.

In fairness though he's never had much resource. Now obviously it depends on Randy whether he'd have much here, but we at least know he can get N'Zog playing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:18:45 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
There was a Turkish bloke who I always thought would do well over here, cant mind his name but managed their national side and a few in Italy and Germany.

Fatih Terim?

Thats him, ta.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 14, 2012, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
There was a Turkish bloke who I always thought would do well over here, cant mind his name but managed their national side and a few in Italy and Germany.

Fatih Terim?

Big Fatih Terim's C&B army?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
One of the things I liked about the statement from Faulkner and Lerner today was firstly they mentioned 'long-term objectives' which suggests they are now working to a plan. Secondly there is no mention of 'Premier League experience' for the new manager. Now we may get a manager who has managed in the Premier League, but at least that hasn't been highlighted as key factor in their planning. Maybe the finally get it and about time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
It is a shame someone like Solskjaer is not considered, would be interesting. Might come with a good letter too....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Lambert is on the famous MON 1 year rolling contract...... interesting from a number of angles, if he is successful he goes cheap, but may mean getting him is easier...

He's chums with MON as well, If we do make an approach for Lambert, I imagine he'll be asking MON for his thoughts on the club. Something to think about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
Martinez needs to have a comfortable mid-table finish with Wigan for people to be totally convinced by him. He probably does deserve  a bigger job but i'd rather another club else took a chance with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Lambert is on the famous MON 1 year rolling contract...... interesting from a number of angles, if he is successful he goes cheap, but may mean getting him is easier...

He's chums with MON as well, If we do make an approach for Lambert, I imagine he'll be asking MON for his thoughts on the club. Something to think about.

If he has anything about him, and I believe he does, he would have already done that given the media interest, and he hasn't come out and said 'no way' yet, in fact he's been very coy on his own future!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
Martinez needs to have a comfortable mid-table finish with Wigan for people to be totally convinced by him. He probably does deserve  a bigger job but i'd rather another club else took a chance with him.

Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on May 14, 2012, 09:23:24 PM
I think I want Martinez.

We can pay higher wages than Wigan and that's taking into account the new wage structure. I think he could really create and mould a great team if given a blank canvass, which is basically what we are now and our youngsters can only improve under someone like him.

Plus I see Swansea and he has been part of their journey and the style of play they play. Imagine Darren bent in a team like Swansea. Obviously it would take time to achieve. But it would be exciting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

He's shit anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:23:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 09:21:56 PM
Martinez needs to have a comfortable mid-table finish with Wigan for people to be totally convinced by him. He probably does deserve  a bigger job but i'd rather another club took a chance with him.

Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

This for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

This for me.

We should not approach Martinez for the job again. If he wants it he should approach us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

This for me.

And me.  He can piss off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

This for me.

and me.......the thought of going cap in hand to Dave Whelan, not in a million years........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
I like Lambert and would go for him. I wouldn't bother with Martinez unless his agent encourages us to do so (if we were so inclined) as I don't want to see our usual managerial appointment farce and see him reject us twice. We would be a laughing stock.

I think Benitez would be a good shout as I'm sure he's itching to get back into the game and I can't see a top English side being available for him.

Maybe Slaven Bilic, even?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:33:40 PM
Okay. Martinez/Rodgers are both good coaches who can build, my reasoning is simply this ... can we give a coach two/three years to build whilst flirting with relegation until they get to something that we'd like to see. Would we survive? Lambert, however, can vary tactics and work with a variety of player types, which is why I feel he's a better fit, because if a Martinez/Rodgers comes in and starts taking us seemingly 'backwards' in order to go forwards, none of us would have it! Whereas I think Lambert would get us comfortably top half from the off and still build for the future. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:34:06 PM
Martinez is the only one of them used to making do with a
 minus net spend so's the obvious choice.. Lambert spent 6m last season so we may be able to better that. Rodgers 8m? not sure. I'd probably go with Cowans still if we're still going down the "ajax of the midlands" route.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 14, 2012, 09:34:55 PM
There would have been no difference this season between McLeish or Martinez.  It's not where either of them came from....it's their poor record which was the sticking point.  We can't afford to make this same mistake again.

In no particular order
Paul Lambert
Nigel Adkins
Brendan Rogers
Brian McDermott
And if he doesn't get the Chelsea job...Di Matteo
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 14, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
You heard it here first. - Capello
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 14, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
You heard it here first. - Capello

Can't see that one
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 14, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
Capello doesn't fit with the young, energetic types the club are said to be looking for! Neither does Ranieri, Rafa, Bruce, Curbishley et al.  I wonder if the club have already identified who they want and have made noises towards that club already.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 14, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 14, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
You heard it here first. - Capello

Can't see that one

Arsene Wenger!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:41:14 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 14, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
You heard it here first. - Capello

Can't see that one

That's what he said, squinting through those glasses, but in Italian of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
With Martinez I agree we should wait until he approaches us.  Then say 'no tar' and leak it to the press.

Revenge on Whelan would make this an even better week!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:42:35 PM
Glenn Hoddle is an innovate coach and would be cheap, I'd still not be dismayed to see him rock up here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 14, 2012, 09:43:02 PM
Listening to the monday night club on the way home tonight. Apparently Dalglish has had to fly to America today to explain the season with the owners and the rumour is that Liverpool are interested in Martinez.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
I can't believe how much talksport are trying to eke out the Gary Neville appointment. They've been wittering on about it for about half an hour, I don't understand why they're trying to get such a debate on it going. Who cares, really?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I think Martinez is getting a bad rap, he turned down the opportunity to talk out of loyalty to his club not because he was looking down on us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2012, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).
Quite right, I totally agree about Martinez. I also think  Lambert has had to follow his path to further his ambitions as a manager.

I'd be more happy with either of these two.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).

How do you misread a guy that's just about managed to keep Wigan in the Prem for two years? How do you misread no improvement? How do you misread a guy whose team starts playing in April? If he has a top half finish with Wigan next year then he has a case, until then, on the face of it, he hasn't improved them and shouldn't be in the frame for a bigger job. QED.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:47:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).

As a person yes, he ticks a lot of boxes, as a manager I'm not convinced due to his performance and his teams finishing positions in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I think Martinez is getting a bad rap, he turned down the opportunity to talk out of loyalty to his club not because he was looking down on us.

Fair enough, but he missed the opportunity. For me, he hasn't pulled up any trees either, so I'm hoping we don't go for him. Couldn't understand why we were going for him last year, and I haven't seen anything of this season that has changed my mind. Great end to the season from Wigan, fair enough, but why were they only performing towards the end of the season?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
Maybe Slaven Bilic, even?

He's apparently agreed a contact with a Moscow club after the Euros.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I think Martinez is getting a bad rap, he turned down the opportunity to talk out of loyalty to his club not because he was looking down on us.

Yes, fair enough. But what of his record at Wigan? Why do they struggle until the last five or six games every season? I'd much rather we were on 40+ points in March and went on an MON style burn out than be struggling against relegation in March before finally getting our act together.

Is he a top ten manager? For me, the jury is out whereas I'm more confident that Rogers and Lambert have what it takes.

No to Ranieri from me. GH mark II.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
I can't believe how much talksport are trying to eke out the Gary Neville appointment. They've been wittering on about it for about half an hour, I don't understand why they're trying to get such a debate on it going. Who cares, really?

I know,we've been reduced to our motd slot again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bournvillan on May 14, 2012, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I tell you what, I reckon would Martinez would jump at it this time. There seems to have been a shift in the boardroom.

He can want it. He turned us down once, so he's missed his chance as far as I'm concerned.

This for me.

and me.......the thought of going cap in hand to Dave Whelan, not in a million years........

I think Martinez should do the first year for free based on the fact that if he hadn't turned us down, we wouldn't have had to endure last season.

I voted Lambert
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 14, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
What's that ex-Barcelona manager up to nowadays?

Sod your sabbatical and get down to B6 Pep.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
I can't believe how much talksport are trying to eke out the Gary Neville appointment. They've been wittering on about it for about half an hour, I don't understand why they're trying to get such a debate on it going. Who cares, really?

I know,we've been reduced to our motd slot again.
I thought it was called Call Collymore,  not listern to him rant for 3 hours.    There has been about only 6 callers with SC  preaching like the annoying drunk on a bus.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
I can't believe how much talksport are trying to eke out the Gary Neville appointment. They've been wittering on about it for about half an hour, I don't understand why they're trying to get such a debate on it going. Who cares, really?

I know,we've been reduced to our motd slot again.
I thought it was called Call Collymore,  not listern to him rant for 3 hours.    There has been about only 6 callers with SC  preaching like the annoying drunk on a bus.

Its like listening to a table of boorish clowns in the pub.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

Yep, they're a crap side with a crap manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

There is no obvious choice, unlike the days of SGT, Big Ron or MON, any choice is going to have pros and cons. For all of the positive points with Martinez there are plenty of questions, as there are with Lambert, Rodgers et al...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 09:50:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
I can't believe how much talksport are trying to eke out the Gary Neville appointment. They've been wittering on about it for about half an hour, I don't understand why they're trying to get such a debate on it going. Who cares, really?

I know,we've been reduced to our motd slot again.
I thought it was called Call Collymore,  not listern to him rant for 3 hours.    There has been about only 6 callers with SC  preaching like the annoying drunk on a bus.

Its like listening to a table of boorish clowns in the pub.
Its awful,  only tuned in to listen to debate over AM sacking.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:02:33 PM
Blimey, how terrifying is that info ad about cancer?

"If you've had a persistent cough for three weeks or more, its possible you may have lung cancer."

That's one for the hypochondriacs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I Have steamed through the last 20-odd pages and think we have gone off the point.  So, in the spirit of this thread, I want Glenn Hoddle.

For Manager, obv.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:02:33 PM
Blimey, how terrifying is that info ad about cancer?

"If you've had a persistent cough for three weeks or more, its possible you may have lung cancer."

That's one for the hypochondriacs.

Wow, missed that, popped out for a smoke!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

There is no obvious choice, unlike the days of SGT, Big Ron or MON, any choice is going to have pros and cons. For all of the positive points with Martinez there are plenty of questions, as there are with Lambert, Rodgers et al...


not least of which is whether any of them will come if we're still in the poor house. Mcliesh may have been happy to work with a-20m transfer budget, i'm not sure those 3 will
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I Have steamed through the last 20-odd pages and think we have gone off the point.  So, in the spirit of this thread, I want Glenn Hoddle.

For Manager, obv.

I think there will be some who'd prefer lung cancer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

There is no obvious choice, unlike the days of SGT, Big Ron or MON, any choice is going to have pros and cons. For all of the positive points with Martinez there are plenty of questions, as there are with Lambert, Rodgers et al...


not least of which is whether any of them will come if we're still in the poor house. Mcliesh may have been happy to work with a-20m transfer budget, i'm not sure those 3 will

Any incoming manager will have to restructure the team, this much is obvious. You have to hope that Randy acknowledges this and is willing to spend some decent money.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

There is no obvious choice, unlike the days of SGT, Big Ron or MON, any choice is going to have pros and cons. For all of the positive points with Martinez there are plenty of questions, as there are with Lambert, Rodgers et al...


not least of which is whether any of them will come if we're still in the poor house. Mcliesh may have been happy to work with a-20m transfer budget, i'm not sure those 3 will

Any incoming manager will have to restructure the team, this much is obvious. You have to hope that Randy acknowledges this and is willing to spend some decent money.

not sure the jettisoning of Mcleish means the end of the austerity myself. In fact going from the words from the club they seem to think we should be miles higher with the current team- echo's of Faulkner's 'looking at europe' mentalism earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).

 How do you misread a guy whose team starts playing in April?

You could argue that he manages his team  better when he is under real pressure, or that his team responds to his methods/tactics when forced to play under pressure to get results. The bigger the club he is at the more he will face that type of pressure from the board, fans, and media. It could be what he needs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.

Good scouting and you could sort our defence for about 10-12 million I reckon. Clark, Lichaz and Dunne stay, the rest go. Naughton, Clyne at full backs won't cost the earth, the lad at Watford at centre half would be about 4 million. Then coach them, and protect them through the midfield.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I Have steamed through the last 20-odd pages and think we have gone off the point.  So, in the spirit of this thread, I want Glenn Hoddle.

For Manager, obv.

I think there will be some who'd prefer lung cancer.

Disgraceful! 
He speaks very highly of you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 10:05:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:02:33 PM
Blimey, how terrifying is that info ad about cancer?

"If you've had a persistent cough for three weeks or more, its possible you may have lung cancer."

That's one for the hypochondriacs.

Wow, missed that, popped out for a smoke!  ;)

Yet a close relative of mine, in her forties, who had never been ill in her life, went to her GP for week after week for about six months complaining of a persistent cough. Only to be fobbed off each time.  By the time they actually listened to her, it was too late to do anything, and she had less than 6 months to live.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 10:11:12 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Martinez survives each season on no-money other than that generated by sales. that puts him more in line with us then Lambert and Rodgers. why Wigan are always near the bottom is pretty obvious IMO

There is no obvious choice, unlike the days of SGT, Big Ron or MON, any choice is going to have pros and cons. For all of the positive points with Martinez there are plenty of questions, as there are with Lambert, Rodgers et al...


not least of which is whether any of them will come if we're still in the poor house. Mcliesh may have been happy to work with a-20m transfer budget, i'm not sure those 3 will

Any incoming manager will have to restructure the team, this much is obvious. You have to hope that Randy acknowledges this and is willing to spend some decent money.

not sure the jettisoning of Mcleish means the end of the austerity myself. In fact going from the words from the club they seem to think we should be miles higher with the current team- echo's of Faulkner's 'looking at europe' mentalism earlier in the season.

Fact is that the team is weak, and we've already lost two first team players, so they need replacing. There isn't any other option other than spending money. I don't think there's magically going to be tens of millions to spend, but the team needs working on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Is that a gut feel or something you've heard Dave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
For those lauding Martinez and his loyalty, have a chat to Swansea fan. They still refer to him as Judas there. Slagged off players that moved on when their heads were turned, then did exactly the same thing himself.

But to be fair, you have to accept all but a handful of clubs are simply stepping stones to where career hungry managers wish to be. It's just nice to dispel another myth about Martinez.

Wigan play good football? I don't think so. They pulled their fingers out when it mattered but that's not enough in my book. They might be pretty but they have no steel at all.

I wouldn't trust Martinez to build a castle out of Lego, never mind our new defence. Lambert is a better fit for us in every way if that's the road you want to go down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
For those lauding Martinez and his loyalty, have a chat to Swansea fan. They still refer to him as Judas there. Slagged off players that moved on when their heads were turned, then did exactly the same thing himself.

But to be fair, you have to accept all but a handful of clubs are simply stepping stones to where career hungry managers wish to be. It's just nice to dispel another myth about Martinez.

Wigan play good football? I don't think so. They pulled their fingers out when it mattered but that's not enough in my book. They might be pretty but they have no steel at all.

I wouldn't trust Martinez to build a castle out of Lego, never mind our new defence. Lambert is a better fit for us in every way if that's the road you want to go down.

Wigan can be accused of much, but winning 7 out of 9 including United, Arsenal and Liverpool to save yourself shows steel.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Is that a gut feel or something you've heard Dave?

A feeling. This is their Venables with the England job moment, where they HAD to get the right man regardless of baggage. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.


Ah it is going to be a long few weeks. Joy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 10:26:44 PM
Deleted wrong thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:27:07 PM
The European Championships ending might cause a conveyor belt of changes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

If that's what it takes, that's what it takes. After two bad moves, we need to get this one right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.


yep. don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but until they start investing serious money in good players to replace the one's they've sold then any new guy is gonna struggle to produce a massive improvement
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:28:31 PM
Maybe there will be serious money to spend then as I'd think the man they want will be Moyes and he won't be interested in an offer to move for essentially, more of the same.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.

Good scouting and you could sort our defence for about 10-12 million I reckon. Clark, Lichaz and Dunne stay, the rest go. Naughton, Clyne at full backs won't cost the earth, the lad at Watford at centre half would be about 4 million. Then coach them, and protect them through the midfield.
Delaney - Mellberg - Laursen - Bouma

£12m that lot cost. I'm pretty sure we can find a few decent defenders if just for once we didn't just buy whichever reserve team waster happened to be being pushed out of a club that week.

Vidic, Agger, Skrtl, Kompany, Evra, Sagna - all cheaper than Cuellar was.

And I like Cuellar, but god it would nice to have a manager for once who didn't just think we are only allowed to buy players from Britain.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
For those lauding Martinez and his loyalty, have a chat to Swansea fan. They still refer to him as Judas there. Slagged off players that moved on when their heads were turned, then did exactly the same thing himself.

But to be fair, you have to accept all but a handful of clubs are simply stepping stones to where career hungry managers wish to be. It's just nice to dispel another myth about Martinez.

Wigan play good football? I don't think so. They pulled their fingers out when it mattered but that's not enough in my book. They might be pretty but they have no steel at all.

I wouldn't trust Martinez to build a castle out of Lego, never mind our new defence. Lambert is a better fit for us in every way if that's the road you want to go down.

Wigan can be accused of much, but winning 7 out of 9 including United, Arsenal and Liverpool to save yourself shows steel.

Which can be balanced with long runs of defeat after defeat... is it 8 on the bounce a couple of times. The question should be why the swing in form in the the same season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve R on May 14, 2012, 10:29:39 PM
One hiring and one firing have provided us with more excitement than the all the intervening 38 league games put together, and by a factor of several.

I have no idea who the next manager will or should be, but it's time to cut the crap and get back to being a serious football club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Is that a gut feel or something you've heard Dave?

A feeling. This is their Venables with the England job moment, where they HAD to get the right man regardless of baggage.


It's Mourinho!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Is that a gut feel or something you've heard Dave?

A feeling. This is their Venables with the England job moment, where they HAD to get the right man regardless of baggage.

You thinking of Moyes?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
No games to play and the transfer market won't really kick off until after the Euros.  There's no rush.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Its not as if he has got far to travel - 3 miles or so ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:28:31 PM
Maybe there will be serious money to spend then as I'd think the man they want will be Moyes and he won't be interested in an offer to move for essentially, more of the same.

god i hope so. can't see it though unless Lerner is really going to splash the cash
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Its not as if he has got far to travel - 3 miles or so ?


Can't see Terry Connor
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Is that a gut feel or something you've heard Dave?

A feeling. This is their Venables with the England job moment, where they HAD to get the right man regardless of baggage.

You thinking of Moyes?

He would not leave Everton for Villa
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
Moyes has been the top target before. Randy has also showed previously, with Bent (and earlier with Young), that he can wander into a club and say name your price and pay it.

But have they still got the front and the money to do it? Then to back him up? And if Lerner is going to spend that sort of cash, then Moyes might not even be the best choice in the wide world for football.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.

Its not as if he has got far to travel - 3 miles or so ?


Can't see Terry Connor
Try heading South Eastwards from B6
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
Difficult to square the prospect of spending big again with what we've seen and been told over the last year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 14, 2012, 10:37:14 PM
Capello!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.

Good scouting and you could sort our defence for about 10-12 million I reckon. Clark, Lichaz and Dunne stay, the rest go. Naughton, Clyne at full backs won't cost the earth, the lad at Watford at centre half would be about 4 million. Then coach them, and protect them through the midfield.
Delaney - Mellberg - Laursen - Bouma

£12m that lot cost. I'm pretty sure we can find a few decent defenders if just for once we didn't just buy whichever reserve team waster happened to be being pushed out of a club that week.

Vidic, Agger, Skrtl, Kompany, Evra, Sagna - all cheaper than Cuellar was.

And I like Cuellar, but god it would nice to have a manager for once who didn't just think we are only allowed to buy players from Britain.

Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m.

There are some bargains, but if we get one we're doing well, so have to be prepared to pay nearer the going rate for a couple more.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 14, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: German James on May 14, 2012, 10:37:14 PM
Capello!
Stranger things have happened and he does appear to have his own seat at Villa Park
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:39:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
It's going to cost at least £20m just buy a new defence.

Good scouting and you could sort our defence for about 10-12 million I reckon. Clark, Lichaz and Dunne stay, the rest go. Naughton, Clyne at full backs won't cost the earth, the lad at Watford at centre half would be about 4 million. Then coach them, and protect them through the midfield.
Delaney - Mellberg - Laursen - Bouma

£12m that lot cost. I'm pretty sure we can find a few decent defenders if just for once we didn't just buy whichever reserve team waster happened to be being pushed out of a club that week.

Vidic, Agger, Skrtl, Kompany, Evra, Sagna - all cheaper than Cuellar was.

And I like Cuellar, but god it would nice to have a manager for once who didn't just think we are only allowed to buy players from Britain.

Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m.

There are some bargains, but if we get one we're doing well, so have to be prepared to pay nearer the going rate for a couple more.

I still disagree John. Looking around Europe you could build a defence for under 12 million.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 14, 2012, 10:40:29 PM
I am not saying Martinez is the man for the job but some people should try and find out why Wigan start slowly and finish the season well before saying he is a crap manager.

For the last couple of seasons he has been using young players on loan that he loses at the end of each season.  Last season it was Cleverley.  Add to this losing probably their best player in N'Zogbia, being hit with injuries to key players and then not having any real money to spend.  Each season he starts from scratch.

Martinez has qualities but like many others, he has his faults.  His qualities outweigh his faults to make him far better than a shit manager.

It seems as though we are starting down the same route again with people saying they want this manager or that manager and dismissing others by over exaggerating their shortcomings.  People are setting themselves up for taking a very negative stance against the new manager if it is not the manager they want.

My opinion is that we need a manager that is going to set the club on the way to achieve something in 3 to 5 years as realistically it is going to take us that long to get there from where we are now, unless major investment is made in the team.  Whether the manager stays for that long or not, he needs to set progression in motion and leave something good for the next manager to take on.  For this reason, I do not think the current big name managers would be right unless Randy has a few dollars more to invest.

We have cleared quite a few high end earners off the wage bill over the last 12 months with a few more that are coming to ends of contracts.  From a wage point of view, we are almost starting from a clean slate so that a wage structure can be put in place that is sustainable.  This means that our income will exceed our expenditure by a fair bit and with a little investment, the new manager can rebuild the squad around the quality players and the young players we have.

Here's to the future and let's get behind the manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:42:24 PM
I agree you could, but to me that's like saying a £5m striker could net you 20 goals a season.  As in it happens rarely and you more than likely need to spend more!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
AVB.
Or Hoddle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Porky on May 14, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
Jesus Christ all of the above managers are one trick ponies.  We need investment first from our Bright Future owner or we will end up with the managers listed.

Try Glen Hoddle, Ray Wilkins etc but would they come with Randy`s cash flow system, why bother.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m
You say 'price' like it's a case of going to the player supermarket and asking how much it would cost to buy a good midfielder.

Was Cabaye 'today's price' at £4.3m? Jelavic at £6m? Ben Arfa at £4.7m? Vorm at £1.5m?

Or are their clubs just not as incompetent as we have been for the last decade?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:46:10 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:43:13 PM
AVB.
Or Hoddle.

try and ask a dingle about sir glenn
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 10:46:58 PM
Moyes was the guy we should have had instead of MON. Would have got us into the top4 on a fraction of the money we pissed away. . Not sure any of you have seen this site, but the villa part makes scary reading as does MON's place in the manager's spending legue.  45m net spend in one season ffs.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/aston-villa-transfers.html
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richardhubbard on May 14, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
Anyone mentioned hughes, still rate him and done a good job at any club he had time at
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m
You say 'price' like it's a case of going to the player supermarket and asking how much it would cost to buy a good midfielder.

Was Cabaye 'today's price' at £4.3m? Jelavic at £6m? Ben Arfa at £4.7m? Vorm at £1.5m?

Or are their clubs just not as incompetent as we have been for the last decade?

Very true.

I'm not excluding the possibility of signing a player like that, just stressing the unlikelihood of a whole defence of them during one summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 10:50:49 PM
If it was Moyes, it'd cause a meltdown here!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: willywombat on May 14, 2012, 10:53:57 PM
What's the betting on some left field, frying pan into fire appointment like Bob Bradley?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m
You say 'price' like it's a case of going to the player supermarket and asking how much it would cost to buy a good midfielder.

Was Cabaye 'today's price' at £4.3m? Jelavic at £6m? Ben Arfa at £4.7m? Vorm at £1.5m?

Or are their clubs just not as incompetent as we have been for the last decade?

Very true.

I'm not excluding the possibility of signing a player like that, just stressing the unlikelihood of a whole defence of them during one summer.
Certainly if we keep up the policies of the O'Neill/McLeish tenure.  And to be honest, people taking the attitude of "we can't try and compete unless we throw a fuck-load of money at it" is just a bit saddening.

Because it's not true and just breeds laziness. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
Difficult to square the prospect of spending big again with what we've seen and been told over the last year.
Depends on how RAL's investments have been going. The changes and fluctuations in the markets over the coming months will provide rich picking for people with the right know how. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the club properly back the new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I have a feeling they have an idea who they want but it might take a bit of time to get him.


Ah it is going to be a long few weeks. Joy.


do you think they are waiting for Dematteo ? it seems what ever he does next week he wont get the Chelsea job ?  :-\
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
While I appreciate Martinez has limited resources, bear in mind that Steve Bruce has a better record at the same club. I just feel he creates the sort of side that can beat Man U on the Saturday and lose to Northampton in the cup on the Tuesday. That's what I mean by 'no steel'.

Personally, I would love Moyes but didn't Pelty say we've tried for him several times and he's turned us down with nothing to suggest his stance has altered recently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:59:44 PM
Amazed nobody has gone for Simon Cowell as a possibility.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:00:37 PM
Depends on what you mean by 'compete'.  Sustained success needs investment where as short term improvement can be gained for less.  I'm all for spending wisely, but that's more about making what we have go further than it is being able to spend less.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
reckon di matteo will get better offers than us after getting to a CL final. least from abroad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:03:00 PM
I get the impression from the statement that there will be a bit of investment.

Players wise I would want the new man asap.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
reckon di matteo will get better offers than us after getting to a CL final. least from abroad.


Hope so, not good enough for West Brom, not good enough for us.

Chelsea's bounce in form has more to do with the big egos getting their own way rather than anything Di Matteo has done. Same thing happened with Scholari/Hiddink.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:07:52 PM
we still going ahead with Mcleish's signing? Just what a new manager wants - a player he didn't sign on god know's how much.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lobsterboy on May 14, 2012, 11:08:18 PM
Paul Lambert please

No thanks for Martinez, he didn't want it last time so I see no reason to offer it to him again

Di Matteo is not likely to swap the Champions League final to work with Alan Hutton and I think Moyes and Rodgers happy where they are

Get Lambert in and give him as long as possible to prepare for next season... oh and back him in the transfer market!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
reckon di matteo will get better offers than us after getting to a CL final. least from abroad.


Hope so, not good enough for West Brom, not good enough for us.

Chelsea's bounce in form has more to do with the big egos getting their own way rather than anything Di Matteo has done. Same thing happened with Scholari/Hiddink.

My thoughts exactly. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
reckon di matteo will get better offers than us after getting to a CL final. least from abroad.


Hope so, not good enough for West Brom, not good enough for us.

Chelsea's bounce in form has more to do with the big egos getting their own way rather than anything Di Matteo has done. Same thing happened with Scholari/Hiddink.

Agree, twas the same reason AVB did so badly, the manager Isn't the one in charge at Chelsea...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
most baggies fans considered him unlucky to get the tin-tack which was more to do with their board pannicking. so i'm not sure he's that shit compared to the likes of Lambert and Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertommykN'iba on May 14, 2012, 11:14:19 PM
After reading the statement I can honestly see this being the summer where RL just goes for it. Decent manager (Di Matteo/Lambert), bit of investment, and finally getting rid of the deadwood. Give the younger manager the chance to do what he wants and get those days back where there was regularly 40k+ in Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 14, 2012, 11:17:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
reckon di matteo will get better offers than us after getting to a CL final. least from abroad.

Like Avram Grant did?

But, i wouldn't go for Di Matteo anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 14, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
He did a pretty good job with Albion, was rather harshly sacked there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:22:48 PM
Think I'd going by DW comment that it could be Rodgers. Maybe I miss u derstood it but think that he may take some persuading compared to Lambert to buy into the 'clubs vision', but will be convinced.


Probably all fantasy mind!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:32:55 PM
Unless we really want Martinez and have to wait it out to see what Liverpool do first.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
There seems to be a lot of weight behind the rumours of a Director of Football coming in. This makes me think we might get someone very raw into work alongside him. Someone like Laursen. He would make sense in that I reckon he'd be happy to keep Cowans etc (which I think Randy wants to), and wouldn't have such a big ego as to not want to work with a DoF. The Board would also guess that, as an ex-player, he would be popular. I reckon, after Alex, popularity will be a key factor in the next appointment.

I'm not saying I want Laursen as manager. You should have to prove yourself elsewhere first. I reckon the Board might go for him though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
&sns=tw


Got to feel for Blackburn fans!


If a DOF is on the way in, and we are going for it, then it could be a manager from abroad with a DOF that knows England, like Comoli.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:32:55 PM
Unless we really want Martinez and have to wait it out to see what Liverpool do first.

They're not going to be after Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:43:16 PM
Telegraph have a link with Germany manager. Interesting pairing if you got Klinnsman as DOF and Low as manager. It would certainly raise the profile.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
&sns=tw


Got to feel for Blackburn fans!



Whoever filmed that is a grade A wanker. The manager had the decency to talk to them and this is how he's repaid.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:32:55 PM
Unless we really want Martinez and have to wait it out to see what Liverpool do first.


thing is Martinez was hardly greeted with enthusiasm on here when we approached him last year. I know our expectations have dropped a bit since then (just look at the shortlist), but again i think he's gonna have to do a bit better than at wigan even if we don't give him funds. Down in the bottom third come November and the knives will be out like last season and the season before. So a long wait and Lerner presents..... Martinez. Can't see it myself
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2012, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 14, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:37:22 PM
Inflate they £12m to today's prices and you're talking £20m
You say 'price' like it's a case of going to the player supermarket and asking how much it would cost to buy a good midfielder.

Was Cabaye 'today's price' at £4.3m? Jelavic at £6m? Ben Arfa at £4.7m? Vorm at £1.5m?

Or are their clubs just not as incompetent as we have been for the last decade?

Very true.

I'm not excluding the possibility of signing a player like that, just stressing the unlikelihood of a whole defence of them during one summer.
Certainly if we keep up the policies of the O'Neill/McLeish tenure.  And to be honest, people taking the attitude of "we can't try and compete unless we throw a fuck-load of money at it" is just a bit saddening.

Because it's not true and just breeds laziness. 

Well said Dave
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
So a long wait and Lerner presents..... Martinez. Can't see it myself

Don't think it will be a long wait this time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
&sns=tw


Got to feel for Blackburn fans!



Whoever filmed that is a grade A wanker. The manager had the decency to talk to them and this is how he's repaid.

No doubt the guy that filmed it is a pratt, but the manager is too for talking so candidly to "fans".


Back to the buying of players, Dave is spot on. We have just taken the attitude you buy the obvious available player and you pay through the nose for them. Others have clearly scouted the right ones and negotiated a price.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 15, 2012, 12:24:09 AM
I would be personally very excited to get Rodgers as manager (I'd take anyone to be honest). It's been said all season long that players like Bannan, Ireland and N'Zogbia are playing on a different wavelength to everybody else. Just imagine if we play to our players strengths, have Makoun come back and have Bent play on his own up top with us threading balls in for him. Mmm.  ;)

--------------Given----------------
Herd-----CB------Clark-------LB
--------------Makoun-------------
---------Bannan----Ireland-----
N'Zogbia-----------------------LW
----------------Bent---------------

Sure, we'd have to get rid of all the cloggers, but who will miss Dunne, Collins, Hutton, Warnock, Cuellar, Heskey, Jenas, Guzan or The Fonz? Under any expansive manager like Rodgers or Martinez we have the building blocks of a very good side.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 15, 2012, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).

Well said mate, my thoughts exactly. Although as someone mentioned before you, maybe this time we should wait to be approached first rather than the other way around. To save any unnecessary embarrassment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2012, 12:43:05 AM
Interesting that that Steve Kean video has only surfaced now. Calling Fat Sam ''a fucking crook'' was quite funny.

Actually this must have been the pre-season tournament in the Far East when they played us while taking breaks for filming Venkys chicken adverts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 15, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 14, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
I don't understand the negative feeling to Martinez, it smacks of a complete misreading of the situation.

He himself recently said "I did not turn down Aston Villa for football reasons". He felt he had work still to do at Wigan and owed them a debt of gratitude. It's not like he's done a Mark Hughes, is it? To say that he should have instantly dropped all obligations he felt towards anyone else and jumped straight to Villa is Liverpool-esque arrogance. We all got angry when Downing jumped ship with so little gratitude, but we're annoyed Martinez didn't do the same to come to us? That's a blatant double standard.

If anything, his actions last year make him precisely the kind of man I do want at Aston Villa. He's professional, he's honourable, he feels a sense of obligation towards people other than himself. Frankly, compare that to Lambert who has a career history of jumping ship at the first opportunity (I'm not blaming him as such, just saying that he's acted less honourably than Martinez).

How do you misread a guy that's just about managed to keep Wigan in the Prem for two years? How do you misread no improvement? How do you misread a guy whose team starts playing in April? If he has a top half finish with Wigan next year then he has a case, until then, on the face of it, he hasn't improved them and shouldn't be in the frame for a bigger job. QED.
That
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 15, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:13:37 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
So a long wait and Lerner presents..... Martinez. Can't see it myself

Don't think it will be a long wait this time.

Yeah i get that feeling from Lerners statement that they cant piss around this time. Need to get a guy in fast to assess situation and ship out the deadwood. Hope Lerners also been kept informed orf who has been letting our club down and making sure the new guy gets them out of our club pronto.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 15, 2012, 05:03:50 AM
Isn't the choice about the following ? :-
1. Take a risk on an up and coming manager who has never won anything but who MAY step up and eventually achieve something at the club over time, but is as yet, unproven. This would include Lambert, Rodgers and possibly Martinez.
So a gamble that may pay off, but could just as easily mean that we continue to coast along without ever really pushing on.
2. Go for someone older, wiser who has already won things in the game, but may come with their own agenda or baggage. This would include Ranieri, Benitez, maybe AVB ?.

Is there a 3rd choice/group, of managers who are neither, but could be a possibility, to include Moyes and suchlike

For me, i think I'd prefer someone from option 2 but I really don't know. it's a tough decision the board has to make and they HAVE to get it right this time.

That said, at the moment, I' m still just enjoying getting rid of the Scottish one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 07:06:10 AM
Is Collymore hinting at Hyppia and is it the real Ray Wilkins who has thrown his hat into the ring?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 07:13:27 AM
Wilkins as someone like Poyet or AVB number 2 yes, but not on his own, too nice a fella!

Hypia is an interesting one as did his badges a while ago, and you would think would possibly be the type to work with a DOF.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
Glenn Hoddle should be seriously considered for me. Knows the European game inside out, plays good football, good experience and a progressive thinker about the game.

We need to look beyond the managers who are currently flavour of the month and appoint someone who can help us build the right structure for the club going forward and bring the best out of the younger players, something he has been doing successfully in Spain.

Someone like Wilkins as Number 2 would also be a good shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
Glenn Hoddle should be seriously considered for me. Knows the European game inside out, plays good football, good experience and a progressive thinker about the game.

We need to look beyond the managers who are currently flavour of the month and appoint someone who can help us build the right structure for the club going forward and bring the best out of the younger players, something he has been doing successfully in Spain.

Someone like Wilkins as Number 2 would also be a good shout.

Hoddle wouldn't be a bad choice for a DoF role if we went for a young up and coming manager but I think his time as a premier league manager has gone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 15, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
Glenn Hoddle should be seriously considered for me. Knows the European game inside out, plays good football, good experience and a progressive thinker about the game.

We need to look beyond the managers who are currently flavour of the month and appoint someone who can help us build the right structure for the club going forward and bring the best out of the younger players, something he has been doing successfully in Spain
Someone like Wilkins as Number 2 would also be a good shout.

As the dingles and Southampton about Hoddle. Infact,only Spurs and probably Swindon fans have nice things to say about him. Massive ego,and a bit of a cock!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 15, 2012, 08:17:13 AM
I'd prefer Rodgers (good season, good football, but also had a very strong rep as a coach before he went to Swansea) or lambert (pretty stellar success, though I think a bit too like MoN in style of play?) than Martinez.

I'd love villa to play with the composure and quality Wigan showed towards the end of the season. He's consistently had to sell his best players too. But his transfer record. Is pretty mixed and Wigan were abject for half the season

The issue with a young up and coming manager with his own ideas is how the likes of dunne, Collins and warnock will react. Houllier struggled with that and I could see them being a real problem for the likes of Martinez or Lambeth who've never really been at a club with egos like that. Lambert at least has as a player.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villasjf on May 15, 2012, 08:24:07 AM
I am really not sure, the board have made some horrendous decissions, they will not want to make another one, they may think perhaps the fans need a favorite, or go for a safe bet, I would like to see what happens at Chelsea after the final. (would he come to us though)
Edit and I do not want Lennon anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VancouverLion on May 15, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Seriously though Matt, who gives a flying f**k how Dunne, Collins & Warnock would react? They should be shipped off as soon as possible. A trio of bad apples as we all know, get rid and let's start fresh.
AVB is my choice, give him a vision and a five year plan and I think he'd buy into it.

So happy the doom & gloom as been lifted off our great club today!

UTV!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on May 15, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
No matter who we approach they all will probably be asking what finance is available.  I may have missed it but do we know the answer?

If the answer is we are solely relying on some money raised from sales and the future is mainly based on the academy then it might be that Kevin Mac comes into the frame.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 08:40:46 AM
Dunne, Collins and Warnock are all out of contract in a year, so even if we can't ship them out it's a short term problem anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 15, 2012, 08:40:51 AM
If fan power made the club look away from McClaren and eventually fan power got rid of Mcleish

If Lambert is the fans favourite now and we get him but it does not work out

Do we have to boo ourselves?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 08:42:19 AM
I just hope it is someone with a surname we can spell.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2012, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
Glenn Hoddle should be seriously considered for me. Knows the European game inside out, plays good football, good experience and a progressive thinker about the game.

Not many managers would make me re-consider my decision to renew but Hoddle is one of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Its a strange situation that I find myself in. I hear one argument and I think, "yes thats a good point, he'd be a good choice", then I hear a good counter-argument and I have my doubts again.
I honestly have no idea who it should be but I know we have to build something lasting this time and have to get the appointment as right as prophecy allows.

They have to have some character on and off the pitch, have tactical flexibility, a knowledge of the transfer market, vision, know how to build or shape an attacking team, be able to work with and develop young players and be able to build and maintain confidence. Most of this our last manager lacked to say the least.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dicedlam on May 15, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
I also want someone who is positive in front of the media and does not belittle my club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2012, 08:59:51 AM
Is Hughton nailed on for West Brom?

To be honest I'm not keen on Di Matteo. Avram Grant had Chelsea within a heroic JT penalty miss of winning the Champions League. Not sure if he is that bad but between Lambert, Hughton and Rodgers for me. In that order too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 09:01:56 AM
Joaquin Low would be a great choice, but can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 15, 2012, 09:06:54 AM
Quote from: diceman on May 15, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
I also want someone who is positive in front of the media and does not belittle my club.

Yes, this should be part of the criteria.  The last two clearly didn't get it.  Comments such as "No shame in losing to a team like Tottenham" or such like should never again come from the mouth of any Villa manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 09:10:57 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 15, 2012, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
Glenn Hoddle should be seriously considered for me. Knows the European game inside out, plays good football, good experience and a progressive thinker about the game.

Not many managers would make me re-consider my decision to renew but Hoddle is one of them.

Respect your opinion, but given that we are in for yet another season of transition, the most we can hope for is some stability, decent football, and thedevelopment of the young players which will be essential for the club.

I genuinely believe Hoddle can bring all that. No messy compensation either. It may be that a DOF is a better role for him if the club go with that structure but he has excellent experience that is going to waste it seems to me.

I accept there are others who are qualified for the role but we get blinkered by choosing from a small pool who happen to have had decent seasons with their clubs - in Martinez case, the last 3 months.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 09:12:09 AM

Quite why anyone would want Chris Hughton is beyond me......what's he done for the past year.......oh yeah, failed to get Bormingham promoted.......just what Villa need

Move on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:13:48 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 15, 2012, 05:03:50 AM
Isn't the choice about the following ? :-
1. Take a risk on an up and coming manager who has never won anything but who MAY step up and eventually achieve something at the club over time, but is as yet, unproven. This would include Lambert, Rodgers and possibly Martinez.
So a gamble that may pay off, but could just as easily mean that we continue to coast along without ever really pushing on.
2. Go for someone older, wiser who has already won things in the game, but may come with their own agenda or baggage. This would include Ranieri, Benitez, maybe AVB ?.

Is there a 3rd choice/group, of managers who are neither, but could be a possibility, to include Moyes and suchlike

For me, i think I'd prefer someone from option 2 but I really don't know. it's a tough decision the board has to make and they HAVE to get it right this time.

That said, at the moment, I' m still just enjoying getting rid of the Scottish one.


i can see where you get the 3 choice boxes from,
 i would take the risk in box 1 but understand that the word 'risk' is something a lot of Villa fans will be afraid of because of the last 2 seasons.

the 3rd option is for me the boring one, safe hands and all that, a new BFR would be great, if there was one
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Its a strange situation that I find myself in. I hear one argument and I think, "yes thats a good point, he'd be a good choice", then I hear a good counter-argument and I have my doubts again.
I honestly have no idea who it should be but I know we have to build something lasting this time and have to get the appointment as right as prophecy allows.

They have to have some character on and off the pitch, have tactical flexibility, a knowledge of the transfer market, vision, know how to build or shape an attacking team, be able to work with and develop young players and be able to build and maintain confidence. Most of this our last manager lacked to say the least.

I'm feeling that, Maz.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: sonlyme on May 15, 2012, 09:18:50 AM
Reading some of the suggestions here makes me realise why we have a reputation as 'fickle' - jesus mary and joseph would make a better fist of it than some of these suggestions - I mean - Glenn Hoddle?  Sami Hyppia?  I can hear the tins of paint being opened right now in preparation for another season of banner waving discontent.

There should only be three candidates for the VP job - all youngish - all playing varying degrees of successful football - and all with some form of current Premiership success working with a limited budget.

1 Roberto Martinez.

(http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/RobertoMartinezBig.jpg)
The Wizard of Wigan - and architect of Swansea

Has managed to keep Wigan in the Premiership yet again despite having to regularly sell his best players.  Wigan were unpredictable and inconsistent and struggled to counter direct long ball attacks - but that was down to personnel.  Look at their results against the top teams in the division - and then try to recall the style with which they acheived those results.  It is true - most of the season they lost to long ball humpers like Bolton, Wolves, and dare I say, Villa.  But towards the end they beat Liverpool, Stoke, Man Utd, Arsenal, and Newcastle (4 - 0).  And they did it playing flowing football.

He is also a man with honour.  He did not turn Villa down because he doesn't like the Villa (as I've seen written elsewhere) - he felt he had made a pledge to his chairman and wanted to honour that pledge.  That is the kind of man I want at my club.

He is also seen as a major part of what has been achieved by my 2nd suggestion - laying the foundations for success.

2 Brendan Rodgers.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01459/brendan-rodgers_1459131c.jpg)
The Pass Master

Did anyone else watch his Swansea team of no names utterly confuse and destroy our boys.  They never panic - never hoof it forward just to get rid of it - the philosophy they follow is the Barca one - if the opposition can't get the ball - they can't score.  Rodgers has them playing like a prototype Arsenal - and an Arsenal at their best.  Imagine what he could do with our crop of players - plus some new additions?   Imagine him coaching our kids?  Remember how they played against Man U under GH?  They can do it again and do it better under Rodgers.

Win - Lose - or Draw - watching Villa under Rogers would be worth every penny.

3 Paul Lambert

(http://www.edp24.co.uk/polopoly_fs/fil_watford_norwich_028_1_1_871152!image/3420063194.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/3420063194.jpg)
Remind you of anyone?

This may be a bookies favourite - and he has done remarkably well at Norwich - but ask Colchester fans what they think of him - and they will tell you of a man in the Steve Bruce mould - ruthlessly ambitious for bigger and better things.  No crime in that - unless he leaves you just as you are starting to roll.

He is seen very much as a disciple of MON.  And still refers to the old dummy spitter as 'Gaffer'.  His teams are well organised, just like O'Neill's, and tend to play on the counter, with direct football very much part of their armoury.  It would be a return to the hustle and bustle and counter-strike we saw under O'Neill - good enough to earn you top half maybe - but good enough to challenge for trophies?


For myself - I just want to see football at VP - win lose or draw - I want our team to be 'in' every game - I want to see the beautiful game again - and that's why my fingers are crossed it will be Martinez or Rodgers.  Brilliant coaches who can do brilliant things at our brilliant club.

UTV

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:20:29 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
Its a strange situation that I find myself in. I hear one argument and I think, "yes thats a good point, he'd be a good choice", then I hear a good counter-argument and I have my doubts again.
I honestly have no idea who it should be but I know we have to build something lasting this time and have to get the appointment as right as prophecy allows.

They have to have some character on and off the pitch, have tactical flexibility, a knowledge of the transfer market, vision, know how to build or shape an attacking team, be able to work with and develop young players and be able to build and maintain confidence. Most of this our last manager lacked to say the least.


i would agree with you there, i am also swayed by the arguments of other posters to and fro, i suppose thats what good debate is all about.
your last statement is also smack on, and also difficult to know who it might be, its a bit of a lotterey in the end, just hoping that once you have picked your numbers they come in,

for me the footballing style and the ability to build from the ground up is key, thats why the name of Rogers, Lambert and Martinez are quite exciting in there own way, i have some real hope that Randy will get it right this time, and give us something worth watching again
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fergal on May 15, 2012, 09:23:30 AM
I think Gary McAlister (sp) would be a good shout if we could get an experienced man to be his DoF.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 09:23:33 AM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:13:48 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 15, 2012, 05:03:50 AM
Isn't the choice about the following ? :-
1. Take a risk on an up and coming manager who has never won anything but who MAY step up and eventually achieve something at the club over time, but is as yet, unproven. This would include Lambert, Rodgers and possibly Martinez.
So a gamble that may pay off, but could just as easily mean that we continue to coast along without ever really pushing on.
2. Go for someone older, wiser who has already won things in the game, but may come with their own agenda or baggage. This would include Ranieri, Benitez, maybe AVB ?.

Is there a 3rd choice/group, of managers who are neither, but could be a possibility, to include Moyes and suchlike

For me, i think I'd prefer someone from option 2 but I really don't know. it's a tough decision the board has to make and they HAVE to get it right this time.

That said, at the moment, I' m still just enjoying getting rid of the Scottish one.


i can see where you get the 3 choice boxes from,
 i would take the risk in box 1 but understand that the word 'risk' is something a lot of Villa fans will be afraid of because of the last 2 seasons.

the 3rd option is for me the boring one, safe hands and all that, a new BFR would be great, if there was one

I's say the thirs option is for a true Villa through and through man.....totally unproven but has the Villa passion running through his veins and is popular on the terraces.....I guess in that category you'd put Gordon Cowans, Ian Taylor, David Platt, Andy Gray, Martin Laursen, Olof Mellberg, Stan Collymore, even Stan Petrov in time

There is something very appealing about this option, but it's way too risky to consider, would be nice if we could get some of these guys involved in the club...coaching, scouting, in some capacity.  It would be great to look at the Villa bench and see a hungry young manager flanked by Villa legends like Cowans, Taylor, Gray, Laursen & Mellberg animated and involved etc.....it would just look right.  Peter Grant most definitely did NOT look right
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 09:24:04 AM
Having been a Lambert man, sonlyme's post has now tipped me to Rodgers. It's a tough call. Is there anybody we havent' thought of?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
Glenn Roeder/Lee Clark
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 15, 2012, 09:18:50 AM
Reading some of the suggestions here makes me realise why we have a reputation as 'fickle' - jesus mary and joseph would make a better fist of it than some of these suggestions - I mean - Glenn Hoddle?  Sami Hyppia? 

Not that I'd want to go near either of those two, but reading your post it seems in your eyes "fickle" = "doesn't agree with you".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
Glenn Roeder/Lee Clark

The team of dreams.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
Glenn Roeder/Lee Clark

The team of dreams.

It has been decreed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
I'd take any from that list. All have a good footballing philosophy. All seem to get the best out their players too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
I have to say that I'm for Rogers too.
Would love AVB, but think he might be a touch pricey.
There are a couple of 'out of the box' suggestions:
Di Matteo with Wilkins.
Wenger, Arsenal fans have been saying for a couple of seasons that it might be time for a change, whether the board feel that way is another thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:37:30 AM
1. Martinez
2. Rodgers
3. Lambert
4. Sven
5. Roberto Di Matteo
6. Gerard Houllier
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 15, 2012, 09:42:21 AM
I've not changed my mind, it's got to be Dowie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.

Where is this comment from Mystery Man?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:45:41 AM
Chris Hutchings is a good shout, cheap, Premier League experience...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 09:47:20 AM
I want to see Brendan Rodgers get the job. His footballing philosophy reminds me of Brian Clough. Who's main tenet was the ball is your friend keep it close to you and the other team can't hurt you, it's a philosophy that has been carried on  with some success by Wenger, and Swansea seem to play with the same idea.
Having said that, I still think that it will be RDM after he has finished temping at Chelsea on Saturday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2012, 09:47:36 AM
Read an article this morning suggesting that we are going to make an approach to Norwich for Lambert and because of his contract situation, the compensation would only be around £600,000.  The article also suggested that Mark Hughes is being considered, but I'm not sure he would leave QPR as they have money to spend.  It could be (probably is) pure speculation, but the most interesting name mentioned was the manager of Germany, Joachim Low.  Not quite sure where that one has come from, but he has done a good job with Germany and would be an exciting appointment. 

After what happened last summer though, I am not getting my hopes up!!   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.

Where is this comment from Mystery Man?

Twitter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:50:54 AM
I'm going to expect someone like Dowie, Les Reed or Kevin Blackwell, so then when it is someone better I won't be disappointed...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.

Where is this comment from Mystery Man?

Twitter.
Could someone post it here please? Twitter is for pricks (pricks like me who can't get on it at the moment)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 09:52:51 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
There seems to be a lot of weight behind the rumours of a Director of Football coming in. This makes me think we might get someone very raw into work alongside him. Someone like Laursen. He would make sense in that I reckon he'd be happy to keep Cowans etc (which I think Randy wants to), and wouldn't have such a big ego as to not want to work with a DoF.
I think keeping Cowans and Kevin Mac should be set in stone for the new manager.
That pair are the main reason we have a brighter future with our Villa youngsters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.

Where is this comment from Mystery Man?

Twitter.

That is not the Mystery Man that posts on here & VT.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:55:05 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Not David Platt either.
Another thing. It is incredible how the phrase 'left field' has to be used in describing the new manager. Even McLeish was starting to use it.
Interesting comment by Mystery Man today regarding the sacking by the way.

Where is this comment from Mystery Man?

Twitter.

That is not the Mystery Man that posts on here & VT.

Maybe not.

Anyway Owen Coyle, bringing Kevin Davies with him, now it has been said that they are staying with Bolton.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
Also agree the board carry a huge weight with this decision. They simply have to get it right this time.

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR. A charismatic, been there and done it type.

Trouble is, I don't see a UK based manager that fits that criteria that would join Villa. (I'm thinking Fergie, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes and O'Neill)

Which means we either look abroad, where you have understand we wouldn't be a draw to the top names (Mourinho, Van Gaal, Guardiola) so we would be looking to lesser people which introduces a risk (Benitez? Ranieri?  - insert your leftfield name here).
And so that leaves looking to a younger guy with promise (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez *spit*, Di Matteo).

So in conclusion, and this very much depends on your attitude to risk, I'd say Paul Lambert looks the best bet IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
No to Owen Coyle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DBTW on May 15, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
Also agree the board carry a huge weight with this decision. They simply have to get it right this time.

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR. A charismatic, been there and done it type.

Trouble is, I don't see a UK based manager that fits that criteria that would join Villa. (I'm thinking Fergie, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes and O'Neill)

Which means we either look abroad, where you have understand we wouldn't be a draw to the top names (Mourinho, Van Gaal, Guardiola) so we would be looking to lesser people which introduces a risk (Benitez? Ranieri?  - insert your leftfield name here). Which leaves the likes  or you look to a younger guy with promise (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez *spit*, Di Matteo).

So in conclusion, and this very much depends on your attitude to risk, I'd say Paul Lambert looks the best bet IMO.

Can you still do loads of kick ups??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
No to Owen Coyle.
March 2012 Manager of the Month.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:01:24 AM
I would have a lot of time for Rodgers coming here but don't rate Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 10:01:45 AM
Also he was relegated, not another manager who just got his team relegated.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
No to Owen Coyle.
March 2012 Manager of the Month.

Great.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 15, 2012, 10:02:37 AM
I Really dont want Lambert, its direct football, he is all about himself too - ask the colchester fans!

I have much more respect for Martinez, stayed with wigan as he had promised chairman!

Think Lambert reign will end in tears...

Like the idea of Rodgers too...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
No to Owen Coyle.
March 2012 Manager of the Month.

Great.

It's hard to marry appointing another manager who has just been relegated with their statement yesterday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
It's got to be Martinez. Bring Moses too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave shelley on May 15, 2012, 10:05:02 AM
How about MON and Randy patching up their differences, MON paying back his compo; agreeing to work within the constraints laid down by Randy and at the first home game of next season in front of a full house come running out to the dug out to a chorus of Dear Old Pals, Jolly Old Pals!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 15, 2012, 10:06:24 AM
Sonlyme has me convinced. I want us to be the new barcelona.
Bring on Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 15, 2012, 10:07:18 AM
Reading that Lambert is not allowed to go above 15.000 a week in wages for any player got me wondering about some of these younger managers, with the bigger wages come bigger ego's so far they have had young ambitious players to control how will they fayre with players that have already built a reputation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
What's Howard Wilkinson doing these days?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villafirst on May 15, 2012, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
No to Owen Coyle.

Agree, we don't want another manager who's just relegated his present club!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andrew08 on May 15, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
Not sure who I want. With a big transfer budget we'll get a big name I suppose,maybe even a Moyes type. With no money Kevin Mac will take over I should think with Sid as his oppo.

Either way I was hoping to switch off from Villa for a few months and get some work done. Oh well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: DBTW on May 15, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
Also agree the board carry a huge weight with this decision. They simply have to get it right this time.

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR. A charismatic, been there and done it type.

Trouble is, I don't see a UK based manager that fits that criteria that would join Villa. (I'm thinking Fergie, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes and O'Neill)

Which means we either look abroad, where you have understand we wouldn't be a draw to the top names (Mourinho, Van Gaal, Guardiola) so we would be looking to lesser people which introduces a risk (Benitez? Ranieri?  - insert your leftfield name here). Which leaves the likes  or you look to a younger guy with promise (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez *spit*, Di Matteo).

So in conclusion, and this very much depends on your attitude to risk, I'd say Paul Lambert looks the best bet IMO.

Can you still do loads of kick ups??


I'm sorry, you have confused me with my brother the world famous ball juggling champion.

 I just work in the laundry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 10:07:48 AM
What's Howard Wilkinson doing these days?

Running a successful chain of shops specialising in home care  & garden products at really competitive prices.
It's the home of family value.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villafirst on May 15, 2012, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
It's got to be Martinez. Bring Moses too.

Moses on the right and a rejuvenated N'Zogbia on the left - look how Martinez got him playing for Wigan. Charles is a great player who was stifled by McLeish's negative defensive tactics.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 15, 2012, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 15, 2012, 10:05:02 AM
How about MON and Randy patching up their differences, MON paying back his compo; agreeing to work within the constraints laid down by Randy and at the first home game of next season in front of a full house come running out to the dug out to a chorus of Dear Old Pals, Jolly Old Pals!  ;D

That scenario might even be above Pep in the hierarchy of nevergonnahappen
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: DBTW on May 15, 2012, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM
Also agree the board carry a huge weight with this decision. They simply have to get it right this time.

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR. A charismatic, been there and done it type.

Trouble is, I don't see a UK based manager that fits that criteria that would join Villa. (I'm thinking Fergie, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes and O'Neill)

Which means we either look abroad, where you have understand we wouldn't be a draw to the top names (Mourinho, Van Gaal, Guardiola) so we would be looking to lesser people which introduces a risk (Benitez? Ranieri?  - insert your leftfield name here). Which leaves the likes  or you look to a younger guy with promise (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez *spit*, Di Matteo).

So in conclusion, and this very much depends on your attitude to risk, I'd say Paul Lambert looks the best bet IMO.

Can you still do loads of kick ups??


I'm sorry, you have confused me with my brother the world famous ball juggling champion.

 I just work in the laundry.

Oh! Mr. Woo, what shall I do
I’m feeling kind of Limehouse Chinese laundry blue
This funny feeling keeps round me ceiling
Oh won’t you throw your sweetheart over, do.
My best silk shawl, now it won’t fit my little brother
And my new Sunday shirt has got a perforated rudder
Mr. Woo, what shall I do
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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 15, 2012, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
It's got to be Martinez. Bring Moses too.

Moses on the right and a rejuvenated N'Zogbia on the left - look how Martinez got him playing for Wigan. Charles is a great player who was stifled by McLeish's negative defensive tactics.

I'd say bring Martinez, but he can leave Moses at home. He's the kind of player who shows that Martinez is a good manager - pish, but made something by the right football and, probably, good motivation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:15:14 AM
Andre Villa Boas (with Ray Wilkins?) or Rodgers would be my first choices.
I have no problem with Martinez or Lambert either although I have nagging doubts about them. Especially Lambert. I know he's good and done very well so far but a gut feeling says it wouldn't work as well as we'd hope and I have no other explanation for it.

It's not like the list ends there. Plenty of other potential options. DiMatteo, Flores, Benitez...etc.
Maybe even Capello, who knows.

I suppose it all depends on what Randy is planning to invest. That will determine or at least be a big factor in the outcome.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villasjf on May 15, 2012, 10:18:17 AM
Now would be a good time to sell the club, no manager to pay off, deadwood leaving, our expectations were destroyed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:18:36 AM
The statement yesterday reads to me that the Board have taken a lot of lessons on board from the last 2 years, recruitment, football, everything... that cannot afford to get it wrong in anyway with their next appointment, I'm not suggesting they'll totally listen to the fans, that's obviously not the best idea, but they need to get it right, and they'll be decisive enough to do this, with an appointment like Martinez, Lambert or even Mark Hughes?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 15, 2012, 10:21:45 AM
I've gone for Martinez. Laid the foundations for a style of play at Swansea which Rodgers has continued, and which he maintains on limited funds at Wigan. He's shown what can be done against the 'elite' teams if you don't surrender before a ball's been kicked, and seems to do ok in the transfer market.

I'd be happy with him, Lambert or Rodgers, but Di Matteo is a no for me - in the PL at Olbiyun he only got 26 points from 25 games. It's one thing managing a bunch of egos who run the club anyway, but another thing entirely at a more challenging level.

On Talkshite yesterday Collymore said he thought Villa had a short-list of 4 managers - 2 currently employed in the PL and 2 not currently working. My guess is the 2 in the PL will be Martinez and Lambert. But who the 2 not working are I couldn't even start to guess - could be anyone from AVB to Capello, to McCarthy or Bruce - all equally unlikely imho
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
I'd guess at Lambert and Rodgers for the 2 currently employed and AVB and Benitez (or Capello) as the two unemployed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 10:27:36 AM
Think the biggest problem we've got now is the Joker in the pack that is our board and owner. Its obvious there's been no coherant command structure there from the start, which was fine until MON left and they had to think for themselves. Houllier you could at least see where they were trying to go even if they had the wrong players for it, but since then its been a mixture of knee-jerk reactions and bizarre decisions.

Inviting McClaren and then cancelling it alledgedly on the opinion of the fans; approaching Martinez without sounding him out whether he was even prepared to leave; Tapping up AM partly on the say so of Alex Ferguson and this time totally ignoring the fan's opinions;Expecting to challenge for Europe while taking 20m pounds out the squad; Faulkner's Ajax of the midland's idea; Apparently convincing AM that he was here next season upto the point where he's arranging the meeting where they sack him

There's other examples of their ineptitude but you get the idea. I'd like to see Faulkner given the push and someone with experience bought in because i fear we could get another nasty surprise if he's involved in the selection process. I mean is Lerner listening to this man?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
I reckon Martinez is in the mix Maz, and the 2 and 2 is not set in stone because Collymore said it is it, or have you heard this from your sources too?

I think if they thought Martinez was right to take forward the Houllier model last season, they will have been impressed having bought their best player last summer to see them do it again, more impressively this season. Logic dictates that they are not petty enough to not go back in just because he felt loyalty to Wigan last season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jarpie on May 15, 2012, 10:31:02 AM
AVFCMysteryman posted in twitter that Faulkner was against sacking McLeish but who knows about twatter bullshit, but if that's true, then Lerner doesn't seem to blindly listen Faulkner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 15, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I Have steamed through the last 20-odd pages and think we have gone off the point.  So, in the spirit of this thread, I want Glenn Hoddle.

For Manager, obv.
That!

He started the ball rolling at Chelsea in my opinion, bringing in Gullit, Vialli and co. I know Shearer said on record aside from Sir Bobby he is the without doubt the best manager he has ever worked for, on the training ground and off it. That includes Keegan, Dalglish and Venables.

Hoddle for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 15, 2012, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
I think if they thought Martinez was right to take forward the Houllier model last season, they will have been impressed having bought their best player last summer to see them do it again, more impressively this season. Logic dictates that they are not petty enough to not go back in just because he felt loyalty to Wigan last season.
I can't see why there would be pettiness involved in appreciating an admirable quality, sadly lacking in most of the footballing world.
If we want a legacy, we need someone to commit to Villa longterm, with integrity from both the club and the manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 10:35:49 AM

I'd hope the board have lost some of their naivety in the last 12 months. The letter from Fergie was one of the most embarrassing episodes in the club's history. This time, I hope they've enlisted the help of an advisor who isn't also a competitor. They will also now realise - I hope - that we're going to have to spend some money, so that might give us more leverage when it comes to persuading the right man to come.

AVB, Lambert or Rodgers would all fit the bill in my opinion, but please nobody on their way down, and no 'safe hands' that will lead us into mediocrity for the next few years before the inevitable slump and dismissal. A young, hungry manager with a point to prove and a vision for maximising the potential of this great club is what we need. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on May 15, 2012, 10:31:02 AM
AVFCMysteryman posted in twitter that Faulkner was against sacking McLeish but who knows about twatter bullshit, but if that's true, then Lerner doesn't seem to blindly listen Faulkner.

It isn't only on Twitter that people come to their conclusions based on untruths.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:36:30 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
I'd guess at Lambert and Rodgers for the 2 currently employed and AVB and Benitez (or Capello) as the two unemployed.
Bruce & Curbishley.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
Why are people talking about AVB? is he amongst the favourites?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 10:39:25 AM
I'd agree with Maz that the two managers in jobs, if Colly more is correct, would be Lambert and Rodgers.  They might not have minded Martinez saying no, but the way Villa like to conduct business in private would say to me Wigan going public, and he spoke about it as well as Whelan, would put them off.

It'd be interesting if Benitez is on the short list as we understand we didn't take that one further last year because he wanted a lot of money to spend.  Would him being considered again be an indication that Randy was prepared to open the wallet again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jarpie on May 15, 2012, 10:39:55 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on May 15, 2012, 10:31:02 AM
AVFCMysteryman posted in twitter that Faulkner was against sacking McLeish but who knows about twatter bullshit, but if that's true, then Lerner doesn't seem to blindly listen Faulkner.

It isn't only on Twitter that people come to their conclusions based on untruths.

I take everything said by people who claims to be "ITK" with huge pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
Why are people talking about AVB? is he amongst the favourites?

I don't think so. I think it's unlikely he'd come but I think he'd be the kind of manager we should be looking for. Someone like AVB might be able to bring cheaper, and talented, overseas players with him. We need to build a culture around our young players that will last for many years. In many ways were starting all over.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 15, 2012, 10:44:09 AM
Let's see if the board make a dogs breakfast of the selection/interview process again
It could be very embarrassing if we get snubbed by the managers of Wigan, Swansea & Norwich
That could lead to panic and another abortion of an appointment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 15, 2012, 10:05:02 AM
How about MON and Randy patching up their differences, MON paying back his compo; agreeing to work within the constraints laid down by Randy and at the first home game of next season in front of a full house come running out to the dug out to a chorus of Dear Old Pals, Jolly Old Pals!  ;D

no thanks .  ;)       sarcy bugger
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
Thats the other thing about Mcliesh's departure. He'd started talking about spending money and getting players in towards the end rather than the "we're skint, and i knew that when i arrived "speech. Mebbe he presented them with a list of players at the sacking meeting and they ran for the hills. They certainly used Houllier illness as an excuse not to spend money, so Mcliesh's shiteness was more than ample opportunity to pull the plug on cost reasons alone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:47:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 10:27:36 AM
Think the biggest problem we've got now is the Joker in the pack that is our board and owner. Its obvious there's been no coherant command structure there from the start, which was fine until MON left and they had to think for themselves. Houllier you could at least see where they were trying to go even if they had the wrong players for it, but since then its been a mixture of knee-jerk reactions and bizarre decisions.

Inviting McClaren and then cancelling it alledgedly on the opinion of the fans; approaching Martinez without sounding him out whether he was even prepared to leave; Tapping up AM partly on the say so of Alex Ferguson and this time totally ignoring the fan's opinions;Expecting to challenge for Europe while taking 20m pounds out the squad; Faulkner's Ajax of the midland's idea; Apparently convincing AM that he was here next season upto the point where he's arranging the meeting where they sack him

There's other examples of their ineptitude but you get the idea. I'd like to see Faulkner given the push and someone with experience bought in because i fear we could get another nasty surprise if he's involved in the selection process. I mean is Lerner listening to this man?

Can't argue with that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
I reckon Martinez is in the mix Maz, and the 2 and 2 is not set in stone because Collymore said it is it, or have you heard this from your sources too?

I think if they thought Martinez was right to take forward the Houllier model last season, they will have been impressed having bought their best player last summer to see them do it again, more impressively this season. Logic dictates that they are not petty enough to not go back in just because he felt loyalty to Wigan last season.

one good thing about Martinez is , he would save us £9.5 million straight away as he would get Nzogbia to play good football again .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 10:49:56 AM
Rogers has just signed a 3 year deal at Swansea with a massive get out clause, in the region of 8 mill,

i dont think Randy will be paying that sum if there are others about who are similar and can come without such a big payout
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR.

I agree with that, as despite what has happened, I still think the Villa job is a big one.  I remember reading John Gregory's autobiography and when he got the job at Villa, his mentor Arthur Cox was immediately on the phone saying "you've just been handed the keys to a megastore, not a cornershop.  Can you handle a megastore?". 

Although Lambert , Rodgers and Martinez do seem appealing, it worries me slightly that they have never managed at bigger clubs.  I wonder if we would be better going for someone like David Moyes or Mark Hughes, as they have both done well at bigger clubs.  I know that McLeish has kind of sullied the name of ex-Rangers managers, but I would put Walter Smith in that category as well. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
Why are people talking about AVB? is he amongst the favourites?

Like someone said before , AVB would be great because hes similar to our name ;)  like Arsene (Arsenal) and Mancini ( Man$$$ty).
And everytime I see a report in the paper that I think is  about Villa , it was always about André Villas and pissed me off.

;) 

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 15, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR.

I agree with that, as despite what has happened, I still think the Villa job is a big one.  I remember reading John Gregory's autobiography and when he got the job at Villa, his mentor Arthur Cox was immediately on the phone saying "you've just been handed the keys to a megastore, not a cornershop.  Can you handle a megastore?". 

Although Lambert , Rodgers and Martinez do seem appealing, it worries me slightly that they have never managed at bigger clubs.  I wonder if we would be better going for someone like David Moyes or Mark Hughes, as they have both done well at bigger clubs.  I know that McLeish has kind of sullied the name of ex-Rangers managers, but I would put Walter Smith in that category as well. 

It doesn't worry me at all. I think Lambert has played for massive clubs, and will be well aware of the step up, while Martinez is a very bright man, and would know what he is walking into, and Rodgers was a coach under Mourinho at Chelsea. I think the bookies are going to be right though, I think one of the first 2 will get it. Which is anybodies guess.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
If Rodgers has a 8 million pound clause then we can forget about him .

It will be interested to see how Swansea get on next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 15, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
I'm going for a dream team of DoF Sir Patrick Moore with Brian Cox as his underling.  Imagine the formations we'd play - 4-3-3...nah, it's NGC2770 supernova factory.  Forget about playing triangles too, we'd play stars and have special moves like the black hole or wormhole...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
If Rodgers has a 8 million pound clause then we can forget about him .

It will be interested to see how Swansea get on next season.
That's a pisser. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Le Lapin on May 15, 2012, 11:03:45 AM
What worries me it that we need a manager to hit the ground running. Martinez and Lambert would be good, but would  they need a bit of time to get used to managing a big club with players with bigger ego's than they are used to. What we need is a manager that the players will respect and play for. The players didn't bust a gut for McLeish all season.
Saying that, I wouldn't mind if Brendon Rogers or AVB were in the dugout in August.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
I reckon Martinez is in the mix Maz, and the 2 and 2 is not set in stone because Collymore said it is it, or have you heard this from your sources too?

I think if they thought Martinez was right to take forward the Houllier model last season, they will have been impressed having bought their best player last summer to see them do it again, more impressively this season. Logic dictates that they are not petty enough to not go back in just because he felt loyalty to Wigan last season.

No, just a hunch and nothing more than just speculating over what Stan said.
I wouldn't be suprised if Martinez was in the frame at all but I reckon with what happened last year (not that its a damning of Martinez to honour an agreement) they will pusrue other avenues first.

If they wanted to continue the Houllier model they went spectacularly wrong with appointing McLeish. I wish I thought they had that much of a plan back then. I hope they do now though. I think they do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 15, 2012, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:47:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 10:27:36 AM
Think the biggest problem we've got now is the Joker in the pack that is our board and owner. Its obvious there's been no coherant command structure there from the start, which was fine until MON left and they had to think for themselves. Houllier you could at least see where they were trying to go even if they had the wrong players for it, but since then its been a mixture of knee-jerk reactions and bizarre decisions.

Inviting McClaren and then cancelling it alledgedly on the opinion of the fans; approaching Martinez without sounding him out whether he was even prepared to leave; Tapping up AM partly on the say so of Alex Ferguson and this time totally ignoring the fan's opinions;Expecting to challenge for Europe while taking 20m pounds out the squad; Faulkner's Ajax of the midland's idea; Apparently convincing AM that he was here next season upto the point where he's arranging the meeting where they sack him

There's other examples of their ineptitude but you get the idea. I'd like to see Faulkner given the push and someone with experience bought in because i fear we could get another nasty surprise if he's involved in the selection process. I mean is Lerner listening to this man?

Can't argue with that
Spot on greg.  Although I dont want to see him go as he seems to be improving commercial income which is something we will need to do to compete.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Amazing going the Houlier route to then employ McLeish.  Never understand that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 15, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 15, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:58:25 AM

Ideally we need a sure-thing, as someone said - the equivalent of a BFR.

I agree with that, as despite what has happened, I still think the Villa job is a big one.  I remember reading John Gregory's autobiography and when he got the job at Villa, his mentor Arthur Cox was immediately on the phone saying "you've just been handed the keys to a megastore, not a cornershop.  Can you handle a megastore?". 

Although Lambert , Rodgers and Martinez do seem appealing, it worries me slightly that they have never managed at bigger clubs.  I wonder if we would be better going for someone like David Moyes or Mark Hughes, as they have both done well at bigger clubs.  I know that McLeish has kind of sullied the name of ex-Rangers managers, but I would put Walter Smith in that category as well. 

It doesn't worry me at all. I think Lambert has played for massive clubs, and will be well aware of the step up, while Martinez is a very bright man, and would know what he is walking into, and Rodgers was a coach under Mourinho at Chelsea. I think the bookies are going to be right though, I think one of the first 2 will get it. Which is anybodies guess.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be more than pleased with Lambert or Martinez, but Moyes would still be my first choice if he was available. 

Personally, if I was Martinez I would be eyeing up a job in Spain at this point.  If he went to one of the better clubs there, had a few good seasons with them and got into the Champions League, he could walk into pretty much any job in Europe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve R on May 15, 2012, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 15, 2012, 10:05:02 AM
How about MON and Randy patching up their differences, MON paying back his compo; agreeing to work within the constraints laid down by Randy and at the first home game of next season in front of a full house come running out to the dug out to a chorus of Dear Old Pals, Jolly Old Pals!  ;D

hehe

He would also have to promise to learn more than 1 tactical formation, sign players at no more than 150% of their true market value and ostracise no more than 10% of them.

Oh yes .. and have his head shaved, stay away from courtrooms and get a life too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Small Rodent on May 15, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 15, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
I'm going for a dream team of DoF Sir Patrick Moore with Brian Cox as his underling.  Imagine the formations we'd play - 4-3-3...nah, it's NGC2770 supernova factory.  Forget about playing triangles too, we'd play stars and have special moves like the black hole or wormhole...


That would be great. The opposition get a penalty and the ball disappears down a wormhole, appearing in the opposition net, three seasons ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Amazing going the Houlier route to then employ McLeish.  Never understand that.

It was truly bizarre, but then I think he was a panicked appointment as the candidates dwindled down, and the board had a relationship with him already.

I hope they do go back to the playing football plan though, Houllier had the right ideas. Just need a younger, fitter man to carry that through. If Rodgers is 8 million we ain't going to pay it so can strike him out, express and star are saying that Rafa is ruled out due to worries on both sides.

Lambert or Martinez the most likely then, but there must be a similar style coach on in Europe that we can find?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JB1811 on May 15, 2012, 11:18:30 AM
I would like Hoddle please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DeKuip on May 15, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 08:42:19 AM
I just hope it is someone with a surname we can spell.
And sing!
Not only did McLeish prove so difficult to spell for some but the sheep couldn't even pronounce it right in telling him to F*** off – it sounded like collective hiccups when everyone got to the M.

For this reason alone we'll have to go for Paul Lambeth – impossible to misspell or pronounce incorrectly. Or if we can't get him try Paul Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
1st choice Rogers, 2nd choice Martinez
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Rodgers? ;)

How about Moyes?...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 11:23:17 AM
Rodgers? ;)

How about Moyes?...

Is that wink after your night with emile.... Rodgers on the mind?


Moyes would never, ever come!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:25:41 AM
There is more to entice a new manager than it might appear sometimes.
Besides the size, prestige and potential of the club we have:

- Some of the best facilities you could wish to work with and that will be enticing to the new breed of coaches.
- A fantastic academy.
- A genuine star striker to build a team around.
- A billionaire owner (who may have pulled the expenses back a bit but has been generous in the past and who's to say wont be again very soon?).
- Some genuinely good players that just need to be properly used.
- A (good) new manager will know he will have a period of great support from the fans because he's not McLeish.
- We pay well.
- It's the best named sporting institution in the world.
- Emile Heskey wont be there.

Most managers, even ones you'd think wouldn't be interested, possibly will be. IF the project laid before them is the right one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 11:26:29 AM
I really don't get the clamour for Rodgers, 1 season in the top flight, Yes they played decent football but I just don't think there's enough evidence that he can turn up at a club going the wrong way and repeat it.  Swansea already had a good footballing philosophy in place, and players used to that style.

If the £8m compensation rumour is correct then there's no way he's worth the risk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
And here's another name which I admit is ambitious but he's potentially available... van Gaal?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 15, 2012, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on May 15, 2012, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 15, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
I'm going for a dream team of DoF Sir Patrick Moore with Brian Cox as his underling.  Imagine the formations we'd play - 4-3-3...nah, it's NGC2770 supernova factory.  Forget about playing triangles too, we'd play stars and have special moves like the black hole or wormhole...


That would be great. The opposition get a penalty and the ball disappears down a wormhole, appearing in the opposition net, three seasons ago.

Great minds SR..... ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 15, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
And here's another name which I admit is ambitious but he's potentially available... van Gaal?

You couldn't have Van Gaal, he'd never be able to pronounce Aston.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mal on May 15, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 15, 2012, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
It's got to be Martinez. Bring Moses too.

Moses on the right and a rejuvenated N'Zogbia on the left - look how Martinez got him playing for Wigan. Charles is a great player who was stifled by McLeish's negative defensive tactics.

Anyone who thinks Martinez can manage should note:
P127    W34    D36    L57    26.77% wins
is his premier league record which is a whole  lot better than F'Eck's 21.43% is'nt it?
Just because Shearer and Hansen say he's great doesn't make it so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on May 15, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
And here's another name which I admit is ambitious but he's potentially available... van Gaal?

You couldn't have Van Gaal, he'd never be able to pronounce Aston.

I would love Van Gaal, he was my no 1 choice when both GH and AML got their jobs.  He could really build the Club from top to bottom, just don't think it'll happen though.

Of the younger breed, i'd like to see Lambert out of the three mentioned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 15, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Amazing going the Houlier route to then employ McLeish.  Never understand that.

To be fair to Randy when Mcleish came in he was talking the talk... he said that "at BHam he had to play that way due to resource, he is attacking look at my aberdeen team!"

kept telling us in media he was going to play football...

He even did mental gynsatics where he seemed convinced he was playing attacking football cos he had 6 attacking players ON the field... including heskey on the wing...

It was just his actions n the pitch didnt match his words in the press room!

I truly hought he would try to play proper football... I didnt think he would be stupid enough to play how he played at blues given the grief he was getting re the blues connection!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: mal on May 15, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 15, 2012, 10:12:38 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
It's got to be Martinez. Bring Moses too.

Moses on the right and a rejuvenated N'Zogbia on the left - look how Martinez got him playing for Wigan. Charles is a great player who was stifled by McLeish's negative defensive tactics.

Anyone who thinks Martinez can manage should note:
P127    W34    D36    L57    26.77% wins
is his premier league record which is a whole  lot better than F'Eck's 21.43% is'nt it?
Just because Shearer and Hansen say he's great doesn't make it so.

Agreed, don't believe the hype with Martinez.  He's likeable and he did well to keep Wigan up but they really are a relagation waiting to happen every year untill April comes around.

Lamberts record is far superior imo and he just has the character that I like, played at the top level too in Europe.  His disposition does remind me of MON but he seems to have more flair and general knowhow of the game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 15, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
The stats dont support Martinez at Villa though, Mcleish has a defensive mindset based around not loosing so no matter where he manages they end up with a similar win ratio... as a draw is a draw!

Martinez tries to win, with a better team and more resources that win rate will increase!

i think the fact Martinez has survived the drop season after season playing nice football in front of the 17 home fans is the achievement that earns him the opportunity!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:46:55 AM


Agreed, don't believe the hype with Martinez.  He's likeable and he did well to keep Wigan up but they really are a relagation waiting to happen every year untill April comes around.

Lamberts record is far superior imo and he just has the character that I like, played at the top level too in Europe.  His disposition does remind me of MON but he seems to have more flair and general knowhow of the game.

After a dismal January, Wigan lost only 3 more games all season.  I don't watch enough of Wigan to see what the turnaround was based on, but it certainly wasn't just April.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:46:55 AM


Agreed, don't believe the hype with Martinez.  He's likeable and he did well to keep Wigan up but they really are a relagation waiting to happen every year untill April comes around.

Lamberts record is far superior imo and he just has the character that I like, played at the top level too in Europe.  His disposition does remind me of MON but he seems to have more flair and general knowhow of the game.

After a dismal January, Wigan lost only 3 more games all season.  I don't watch enough of Wigan to see what the turnaround was based on, but it certainly wasn't just April.

Well they only lost 1 of their last 9 I think and won 7 so i'd say thay must have had a pretty good April to be joint top of the form league or whatever it was.

Anyway, I just don't think he'd be right for us, that's not to say I wouldn't have taken him in a heartbeat given a choice between him and AML but now we have some time i'd rather Lambert or Van Gaal.



Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 15, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
The stats dont support Martinez at Villa though, Mcleish has a defensive mindset based around not loosing so no matter where he manages they end up with a similar win ratio... as a draw is a draw!

Martinez tries to win, with a better team and more resources that win rate will increase!

i think the fact Martinez has survived the drop season after season playing nice football in front of the 17 home fans is the achievement that earns him the opportunity!

I agree with this.  Also note the fact that Wigan are never overawed by the opposition, and at Villa Martinez would have more reason to instill confidence in his players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 15, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
I Have steamed through the last 20-odd pages and think we have gone off the point.  So, in the spirit of this thread, I want Glenn Hoddle.

For Manager, obv.
That!

He started the ball rolling at Chelsea in my opinion, bringing in Gullit, Vialli and co. I know Shearer said on record aside from Sir Bobby he is the without doubt the best manager he has ever worked for, on the training ground and off it. That includes Keegan, Dalglish and Venables.

Hoddle for me.

Aston Villa cannot be seen to support discrimination against people based on disability or race. No to Hoddle, no to Di Nazio. We would be pariahs, like Racistpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 12:17:21 PM
Front runners now:

Martinez 6/4 from 4/6
Lambert 13/8 from 11/4
Benitez 25/1 from 8/1

going out...

MacDonald 20/1

coming in...

Poyet 14/1
Lee Clark 33/1

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 15, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
No way to Hoddle, ask any Doghead fan who remembers his time there and Di Canio has to much racist baggage with him shame cause he is full of spirit and fight,just what we need.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Newquay_AVFC on May 15, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
I just asked sky bet for a price on Joachim Loew and he is now on there @ 14/1. Was expecting a far bigger price than that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.

He's got to go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.

He's got to go.

That's the spirit.
He's had long enough to turn this club around.

See you in the car park. Bring a banner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
I like Martinez but not as Villa manager.  I know its been said many times before his stock is over rated.  The question I can't ignore is that why cant he motivate a team to play for the season rather than the last 6 games?  To me there is seriously something wrong there.

Not sure why either there is massive support for Lambert and Rodgers.  They've done well but its been a piss poor premier league quality wise from 10th downwards this season.  They've done nothing that really warrants all the support.  How deep are their scouting networks? Being used to shopping in Aldi means their knowledge and networks are there.  I don't think we can expect to shop at Waitrose but Sainsbury's surely must be a target!  They are too young and inexperienced to restructure top to bottom which needs to happen at Villa.  I would have liked to have seen what Houlier could have done with a little more time/better ticker as he understood what needed to happen and started to do it.  Pissed off a few senior players on the way but quite frankly those were players we needed to (still do) get rid of anyway.  He wasnt stupid.

Gaal, Boas for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
 If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 15, 2012, 12:28:05 PM
OK....
Dreamland AVB with a remit to rebuild the club, van Gaal or Moyes.
Realism I'd be happy with Martinez or Lambert or the "take a top flight punt" option with Poyet (maybe with Wilkins on board somehow?)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
I like Martinez but not as Villa manager.  I know its been said many times before his stock is over rated.  The question I can't ignore is that why cant he motivate a team to play for the season rather than the last 6 games?  To me there is seriously something wrong there.

Not sure why either there is massive support for Lambert and Rodgers.  They've done well but its been a piss poor premier league quality wise from 10th downwards this season.  They've done nothing that really warrants all the support.  How deep are their scouting networks? Being used to shopping in Aldi means their knowledge and networks are there.  I don't think we can expect to shop at Waitrose but Sainsbury's surely must be a target!  They are too young and inexperienced to restructure top to bottom which needs to happen at Villa.  I would have liked to have seen what Houlier could have done with a little more time/better ticker as he understood what needed to happen and started to do it.  Pissed off a few senior players on the way but quite frankly those were players we needed to (still do) get rid of anyway.  He wasnt stupid.

Gaal, Boas for me.

Forgot to mention...Bilic (isn't he available this summer?)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 15, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Quote from: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
I like Martinez but not as Villa manager.  I know its been said many times before his stock is over rated.  The question I can't ignore is that why cant he motivate a team to play for the season rather than the last 6 games?  To me there is seriously something wrong there.

Not sure why either there is massive support for Lambert and Rodgers.  They've done well but its been a piss poor premier league quality wise from 10th downwards this season.  They've done nothing that really warrants all the support.  How deep are their scouting networks? Being used to shopping in Aldi means their knowledge and networks are there.  I don't think we can expect to shop at Waitrose but Sainsbury's surely must be a target!  They are too young and inexperienced to restructure top to bottom which needs to happen at Villa.  I would have liked to have seen what Houlier could have done with a little more time/better ticker as he understood what needed to happen and started to do it.  Pissed off a few senior players on the way but quite frankly those were players we needed to (still do) get rid of anyway.  He wasnt stupid.

Gaal, Boas for me.

Forgot to mention...Bilic (isn't he available this summer?)

Футбольный клуб "Локомотив" Москва
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 12:35:30 PM
Quote from: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
Quote from: SHEPS on May 15, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
I like Martinez but not as Villa manager.  I know its been said many times before his stock is over rated.  The question I can't ignore is that why cant he motivate a team to play for the season rather than the last 6 games?  To me there is seriously something wrong there.

Not sure why either there is massive support for Lambert and Rodgers.  They've done well but its been a piss poor premier league quality wise from 10th downwards this season.  They've done nothing that really warrants all the support.  How deep are their scouting networks? Being used to shopping in Aldi means their knowledge and networks are there.  I don't think we can expect to shop at Waitrose but Sainsbury's surely must be a target!  They are too young and inexperienced to restructure top to bottom which needs to happen at Villa.  I would have liked to have seen what Houlier could have done with a little more time/better ticker as he understood what needed to happen and started to do it.  Pissed off a few senior players on the way but quite frankly those were players we needed to (still do) get rid of anyway.  He wasnt stupid.

Gaal, Boas for me.

Forgot to mention...Bilic (isn't he available this summer?)

Niet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
Quote from: Newquay_AVFC on May 15, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
I just asked sky bet for a price on Joachim Loew and he is now on there @ 14/1. Was expecting a far bigger price than that.

He'd be a great appointment, and would fit in with needing to wait for him as I believe he's leaving after the Euros. Can't see it happening though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 12:51:27 PM
Brendan Rodgers would be a good alternative to Martinez as he has no 'baggage'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 15, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.


Exacly Bent up top, Nzogbia on the right, Ireland slipping balls though and new LW with a Martinez team. Sounds pretty darn good to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 12:52:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.
Agree.
I think we'd need someone with a bit of Ron Saunders about them too. Any sign of descent (Collins, Dunne etc) Doesn't matter how good you are (Gray, Gidman) F**k them off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
It is between Martinez, drifting 6/4 now, and Lambert into 7/4. Brendan Rodgers has fallen to 8-1 in places but you can still get 14-1. Loew is 25-1 with Wm Hills. Don't see many other offers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 15, 2012, 12:58:32 PM
If the rumours are correct, King Kenny might have just become available.  Anyone?

* TUMBLEWEED *
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.


Exacly Bent up top, Nzogbia on the right, Ireland slipping balls though and new LW with a Martinez team. Sounds pretty darn good to me.

N'Nogbia 2 goals all season, Ireland 1 goal all season........these guys are not players to build the team around, they just ain't good enough no matter who is manager. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 15, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Have you had a bang on the head.First backing our ex-manager and now backing another one who takes sides down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.

Out of the frying pan into another identical frying pan. I think not.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 15, 2012, 12:58:32 PM
If the rumours are correct, King Kenny might have just become available.  Anyone?

* TUMBLEWEED *

I'd rather hire a Tumbleweed than wee Jimmy Krankie, the loathesome scrote.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 15, 2012, 12:58:32 PM
If the rumours are correct, King Kenny might have just become available.  Anyone?

* TUMBLEWEED *
I heard he was going 'upstairs' at Liverpool with Martinez being linked to the managers job
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 01:06:00 PM
AM's sacking yesterday was what we have all been waiting for.  We got our wish and can now look to the future with renewed hope and belief.   Then BANG!  I just remembered who owns our club and the complete and utter mess he made in the previous two appointments.    Lambert, Martinez,  Rodgers............it could easily be Curbs or Bruce or worse.    Feet firmly back on the ground today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: myf on May 15, 2012, 01:06:44 PM
What about Martin Jol?  Cracking season at Fulham, European contacts and experience as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:08:26 PM
Not worth the hassle of uprooting him from Fulham.
He seems to be enjoying it there and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 01:08:54 PM
Martinez will go to 'Pool if he gets opp. He does not have to move house, and relocate wife n kids.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Have you had a bang on the head.First backing our ex-manager and now backing another one who takes sides down.

Read the article. That was the point of posting it. I am not saying that I support it or don't, just what is possible to happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:38 PM
I really cant see Liverpool going after Martinez. Even for us it's a risk that requires imagination.
I dont think they have that luxury. The Dublin/Cornwall hordes will be asking for refunds on their duvet sets if they dont hit the ground running next season.

If wee Jimmy Krankie moves back under the stairs where he belongs, they'll go after a relative heavyweight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.


Exacly Bent up top, Nzogbia on the right, Ireland slipping balls though and new LW with a Martinez team. Sounds pretty darn good to me.

N'Nogbia 2 goals all season, Ireland 1 goal all season........these guys are not players to build the team around, they just ain't good enough no matter who is manager. 


Ireland, Bent and Zogbia have been woefully used in the last 12 months. A decent manager playing football and you would get 7-10 goals from Ireland and Zogbia, and 15-20 from Bent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:38 PM
I really cant see Liverpool going after Martinez. Even for us it's a risk that requires imagination.
I dont think they have that luxury. The Dublin/Cornwall hordes will be asking for refunds on their duvet sets if they dont hit the ground running next season.

If wee Jimmy Krankie moves back under the stairs where he belongs, they'll go after a relative heavyweight.


I am not so sure. Remember Henry is sold on moneyball style of things, and may see Martinez as a type that can get the best out of the attributes of the players. I think he will do a cracking job at either, and if he goes to Liverpool they will be a force next season. Kenny has been clueless for a long time, but they still have some good players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 15, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Have you had a bang on the head.First backing our ex-manager and now backing another one who takes sides down.

Read the article. That was the point of posting it. I am not saying that I support it or don't, just what is possible to happen.
That is rubbish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Have you had a bang on the head.First backing our ex-manager and now backing another one who takes sides down.

Read the article. That was the point of posting it. I am not saying that I support it or don't, just what is possible to happen.
That is rubbish.
Which bit of it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Peter Withe.  Didn't he do alright with Thailand? Could be a successful Gregory-esque appointment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: D.boy on May 15, 2012, 01:18:22 PM
Coyle! Christ, we are fed up not hard up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Peter Withe.  Didn't he do alright with Thailand? Could be a successful Gregory-esque appointment

With Lee Clark at 33/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:38 PM
I really cant see Liverpool going after Martinez. Even for us it's a risk that requires imagination.
I dont think they have that luxury. The Dublin/Cornwall hordes will be asking for refunds on their duvet sets if they dont hit the ground running next season.

If wee Jimmy Krankie moves back under the stairs where he belongs, they'll go after a relative heavyweight.


I am not so sure. Remember Henry is sold on moneyball style of things, and may see Martinez as a type that can get the best out of the attributes of the players. I think he will do a cracking job at either, and if he goes to Liverpool they will be a force next season. Kenny has been clueless for a long time, but they still have some good players.

I dont understand the first line, but you're right, they do have good players that they've spent a fortune on so will want to give those resources to a "surer thing" than Martinez.
I would be absolutely gobsmacked if they were even considering him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 15, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/ (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/15/owen-coyle-an-option-for-aston-villa/)

I still think that this is a chance. 33-1.
Have you had a bang on the head.First backing our ex-manager and now backing another one who takes sides down.

Read the article. That was the point of posting it. I am not saying that I support it or don't, just what is possible to happen.
That is rubbish.
Which bit of it?
All of it.Bolton got relegated because the manager didn't play to Boltons strength.Dropping Kevin Davis was a big mistake.He started picking him when it was too late.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
A guy being interviewed on TalkShite now (sorry didn't catch his name/occupation) saying Lambert wouldn't come to Villa and Villa board won't want him purely because of the Martin O Neill link.

Absolute bollocks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 15, 2012, 01:31:02 PM
Quote from: myf on May 15, 2012, 01:06:44 PM
What about Martin Jol?  Cracking season at Fulham, European contacts and experience as well.

Won't leave them this season, too soon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 15, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
A guy being interviewed on TalkShite now (sorry didn't catch his name/occupation) saying Lambert wouldn't come to Villa and Villa board won't want him purely because of the Martin O Neill link.

Absolute bollocks.

Mick Dennis - A Norwich supporting journo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
The problem with coyle is that the stats do nothing to backup this idea that he's a positive attacking manager.  For some reason he's got this reputation but his Bolton side have never shown it.  Now it might be that he felt he didn't have the players to play that way, but then why sign reo-coker as one of your major summer deals in your first real window at the club if you want to play more patient attacking football?

No from me.

Of the names linked heavily so far it's martinez or lambert but I have big reservations over both (martinez has been at wigan a while but they've never looked like getting away from the bottom of the table, Lambert plays a very similar style to mon for me, concentrating on getting out wide and then getting crosses in).

Loew with Klinsmann upstairs would be my dream combo, but if not I I think an older manager with a young assistant who can take over should be the aim.  Van Gaal and Laursen for example.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
Faulkner on radio 5 now for those near a radio...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
From his interviews, I already get the feeling Lambert has been trying to imply that he would jump at the chance of managing us but obviously has to be diplomatic so to not disrespect Norwich or the guy who was in charge at the time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
From his interviews, I already get the feeling Lambert has been trying to imply that he would jump at the chance of managing us but obviously has to be diplomatic so to not disrespect Norwich or the guy who was in charge at the time.

My impression too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 01:35:30 PM

Faulkner sounds a little glib for my liking. But he said pretty much the right things. We're looking for a manager to reinvigorate the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2012, 01:33:26 PM
From his interviews, I already get the feeling Lambert has been trying to imply that he would jump at the chance of managing us but obviously has to be diplomatic so to not disrespect Norwich or the guy who was in charge at the time.

He is always quite cryptic with the press apparently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Faulkner also suggested the axe fell on mcLeish asap, so things could move on quickly. It didn't sound like this will be a drawn out appointment as suggested previously.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 01:35:30 PM

Faulkner sounds a little glib for my liking. But he said pretty much the right things. We're looking for a manager to reinvigorate the club.

Anyone got a recording? At this time of year pouring over words for hidden meanings it the reason for H&V to exist!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:40:58 PM
No, I fully expect the new manager to be onboard relatively sharpish. Its absolutely necessary in fact.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
I don't see it as necessary as we obviosuly have no games and the market is always slow before a summer tournament.

I'd like them to take their time and get it right, with the man here for early June. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
Movement in the market....

Coyle 40/1

incoming....

Ranieri 10/1

I think its time to get the wallet out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 01:45:30 PM
I don't think anything concrete will happen during the next two weeks. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 15, 2012, 01:47:17 PM
Has to be sorted before the Euros. There is a lot to do and not much time to do it in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 01:49:27 PM
I'm sure that we can whip ourselves into a frenzy long before any announcement is made.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
I don't see it as necessary as we obviosuly have no games and the market is always slow before a summer tournament.

I'd like them to take their time and get it right, with the man here for early June. 

I say relatively sharpish, so in the next few weeks.
And it is necessary as if we are looking for bargains in the transfer market (as most teams will of course) it's first come, first served.
Negotiations are already underway for a lot of players, you can guarantee it.

There is a shitload of work to do with this club for the new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.


Exacly Bent up top, Nzogbia on the right, Ireland slipping balls though and new LW with a Martinez team. Sounds pretty darn good to me.

N'Nogbia 2 goals all season, Ireland 1 goal all season........these guys are not players to build the team around, they just ain't good enough no matter who is manager. 


Ireland, Bent and Zogbia have been woefully used in the last 12 months. A decent manager playing football and you would get 7-10 goals from Ireland and Zogbia, and 15-20 from Bent.

Admire your confidence in those players, that would be as many goals between them as we've scored all season....if the new manager has that effect, then he will be a genius
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 01:51:38 PM
I think they'd like to get it sorted relatively soon, as they won't want it dragging on if they're working to a plan. Also they won't want a debacle like last summer. Hopefully Lerner and Faulkner have learnt harsh lessons from the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 01:52:49 PM
Not really, he just wont be a tentative twat and will get out of those players what is expected of them.


(that was in response to John Robson's sideburns by the way.)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Just came across a decent article comparing Rodgers and Lambert.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7497382/swansea-norwich-bring-much-more-geography-prem-michael-cox
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 01:53:13 PM

Get the right man in, get the wrong-uns out, get the right players in and start laying a foundation for a whole new culture at this club. The sooner we do it, the fewer excuses there will be about settling in, or not having the right preparation. I recall Sir Graham mk 1 arrived in May and had a good pre-season to sniff out all the problems at the club and start putting them right. Our new man would benefit from the same.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: john robsons sideburns on May 15, 2012, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
If Wigan had Darren Bent up top this season instead of Di Santo or Sammon do you guys really think they'd of been as bad in the early part of the season? Yeah those are the players Martinez signed. But lets be honest what kind of good quality player would want to join Wigan anyway as apposed to EVERYONE else in the Premier League? They have like 100 fans in away games ffs!

In the early part of the season Wigan were battering sides and losing having not put the ball away. I think with the chances his style of football creates, we would be pretty good.


Exacly Bent up top, Nzogbia on the right, Ireland slipping balls though and new LW with a Martinez team. Sounds pretty darn good to me.

N'Nogbia 2 goals all season, Ireland 1 goal all season........these guys are not players to build the team around, they just ain't good enough no matter who is manager. 


Ireland, Bent and Zogbia have been woefully used in the last 12 months. A decent manager playing football and you would get 7-10 goals from Ireland and Zogbia, and 15-20 from Bent.

Admire your confidence in those players, that would be as many goals between them as we've scored all season....if the new manager has that effect, then he will be a genius

Not really. NZogbia got 10 for Wigan, Ireland 13 in a season at City, Bent usually between 15 and 20. They are capable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
Movement in the market....

Coyle 40/1

incoming....

Ranieri 10/1

I think its time to get the wallet out.

William Hill have got Emile Heskey at 66/1.  That's pretty similar to what he was on for first goalscorer this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
Movement in the market....

Coyle 40/1

incoming....

Ranieri 10/1

I think its time to get the wallet out.

William Hill have got Emile Heskey at 66/1.  That's pretty similar to what he was on for first goalscorer this season.

It's not a million miles from his games/goals ratio either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 15, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
Why is there so much hate towards Faulkner? I honestly don't know enough about him to make any judgement
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Just came across a decent article comparing Rodgers and Lambert.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7497382/swansea-norwich-bring-much-more-geography-prem-michael-cox

The stats in there are very interesting and important. Norwich have a pretty low pass-completion rate (and for much of the season I believe only Blackburn and Stoke played more long balls). Now, I'm not knocking Lambert because, as the article says, he's a meticulous, intelligent, tactical manager who knows what he's doing and may well do great things in the game somewhere. However, I'm not entirely convinced his football would be a good fit for Villa. It seems like a development on MON-ball, albeit an intelligent one, and one a bit at odds with what the academy system - and we need to have a consistent football ideology running through the club, in my view.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 02:07:28 PM
Pat Murphy asked if the new manager would be in place before the end of May, Faulkner replied that while it was out of our hands to a certain extent, we were certainly looking to get moving asap.

When asked if we were looking for a specific change in direction, PF played a straight bat, saying yes, in terms of results and league position. So no clues there.

App Faulkners phone has been ringing non stop since y'days announcement but of course no names were mentioned.

Elsewhere, the Norwich guy (Mick Dennis I think was said -Ta) says Lamberts agent Asshole Still, will almost certainly be talking to Villa at some stage but whether anything comes from it is another thing. According to Wigan journo Paul Kendrick, Martinez is meeting with Whelan today and TalkShite seem sure Dalglish is leaving the dippers shortly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
I hope Kenny is sacked. I win £10 off a friend off work :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
I actively despise KKKenny.  Let's hope he gets his cards, so that bedsheet sales in Liverpool can rise again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 02:07:28 PM
Pat Murphy asked if the new manager would be in place before the end of May, Faulkner replied that while it was out of our hands to a certain extent, we were certainly looking to get moving asap.

When asked if we were looking for a specific change in direction, PF played a straight bat, saying yes, in terms of results and league position. So no clues there.

App Faulkners phone has been ringing non stop since y'days announcement but of course no names were mentioned.

Elsewhere, the Norwich guy (Mick Dennis I think was said -Ta) says Lamberts agent Asshole Still, will almost certainly be talking to Villa at some stage but whether anything comes from it is another thing. According to Wigan journo Paul Kendrick, Martinez is meeting with Whelan today and TalkShite seem sure Dalglish is leaving the dippers shortly.

I imagine every agent for every manager from the Championship down has been in touch, plus the usual suspects like Bruce and Curbishley.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 02:15:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 15, 2012, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Just came across a decent article comparing Rodgers and Lambert.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/7497382/swansea-norwich-bring-much-more-geography-prem-michael-cox

The stats in there are very interesting and important. Norwich have a pretty low pass-completion rate (and for much of the season I believe only Blackburn and Stoke played more long balls). Now, I'm not knocking Lambert because, as the article says, he's a meticulous, intelligent, tactical manager who knows what he's doing and may well do great things in the game somewhere. However, I'm not entirely convinced his football would be a good fit for Villa. It seems like a development on MON-ball, albeit an intelligent one, and one a bit at odds with what the academy system - and we need to have a consistent football ideology running through the club, in my view.

Exactly my reservation about him, I'm glad it's borne out by the stats (I hadn't checked).  I think he'll be a good manager for someone, I'm just not sure it's the right choice for us right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 15, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Thought Faulkner did OK in that Pat Murphy interview. Talked about a new manager to reinvigorate the club and bring stability, and dispelled the poison going around about Villa having 4 managers in 2 years when the new one is appointed by pointing out 1 had resigned, 1 had to retire ill, and 1 was sacked after an awful season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 15, 2012, 02:20:08 PM
Isn't Pat Murphy as bluenose wanker?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
I actively despise KKKenny.  Let's hope he gets his cards, so that bedsheet sales in Liverpool can rise again.

Hope they keep him . Id be gutted If they got a AVB or someone good.  The longer he stays the better , he might even buy Hutton off us for £10 milliom
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
I actively despise KKKenny.  Let's hope he gets his cards, so that bedsheet sales in Liverpool can rise again.

Hope they keep him . Id be gutted If they got a AVB or someone good.  The longer he stays the better , he might even buy Hutton off us for £10 milliom

As much as I would love to see him suffer personally by being sacked (his conduct this season has been just horrible), I agree from a Villa perspective that him staying on would be a good thing.

(Happy 6000th post to me, by the way!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
If we somehow managed to get Moyes in, I reckon he'd take us to Champions League within four years. He's a better manager than MON, he would inherit a decent, young squad with a top four goalkeeper and a 20 goal a season striker. He'd also presumably get say £30m to spend on sorting out our defence. He seems to find good, cheap players with the right attitude so the first season would likely take us to top ten. The players would not mess with somebody like Moyes. He is a winner and has a reputation. Moreover, he's in his prime unlike Houllier who was probably just past his. Having stabilised and hopefully having increased revenue from ticket sales, merchandise, and improved League placing we'd be then well poised to push for the top six.

If only it was all that easy! Lambert, Martinez and Rogers remain the most likely and most realistic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 15, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
Why is there so much hate towards Faulkner? I honestly don't know enough about him to make any judgement

I don't care. Let the Argentinians have them back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 02:24:39 PM
Yeah, KKKenny going could well complicate our manager search.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mattjpa on May 15, 2012, 02:27:15 PM
Can we get avb in the poll please. May not be as unrealistic as some people think
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 02:27:31 PM
I'd love Moyes but I very much doubt there's any point in going for him now unless Randy (or somebody else) really is planning to invest a fortune.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 15, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
If we somehow managed to get Moyes in, I reckon he'd take us to Champions League within four years. He's a better manager than MON, he would inherit a decent, young squad with a top four goalkeeper and a 20 goal a season striker. He'd also presumably get say £30m to spend on sorting out our defence. He seems to find good, cheap players with the right attitude so the first season would likely take us to top ten. The players would not mess with somebody like Moyes. He is a winner and has a reputation. Moreover, he's in his prime unlike Houllier who was probably just past his. Having stabilised and hopefully having increased revenue from ticket sales, merchandise, and improved League placing we'd be then well poised to push for the top six.

If only it was all that easy! Lambert, Martinez and Rogers remain the most likely and most realistic.

Spot on, Irish. I'd love Moyes as our manager but I think he's holding out for SRAlex's retirement do. Moyes would do even better at Everton but for some reason they always seem to get off to a slow start.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 15, 2012, 02:27:15 PM
Can we get avb in the poll please. May not be as unrealistic as some people think

I dont think he's unrealistic at all. I dont know why anybody would think that either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
think we'll know if the clubs changed direction by whom comes in. I doubt any 'rated' manager will come in with a pittance transfer budget. If a Curbishley or Coyle turns up we'll know they were after another yes-man willing to work under any conditions as per AM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez

I hope it's a case of learning our lesson.  I truly hope that we go completely behind Whelan's back, and that the first he finds out about Martinez jumping ship is when he turns Sky Sports News on and sees Martinez sat next to Lerner at a press conference.  Serve the old turd right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.

He's got to go.


That's the spirit.
He's had long enough to turn this club around.

See you in the car park. Bring a banner.



Too right. It's not where he's taking us, so much as where he hasn't come from yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
I'm not sure if Moyes is so unrealistic, he's not going to do any more with Everton, and the top jobs are all sewn up for the forseeable future.  We might be a "fresh challenge", as they say
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez

I hope it's a case of learning our lesson.  I truly hope that we go completely behind Whelan's back, and that the first he finds out about Martinez jumping ship is when he turns Sky Sports News on and sees Martinez sat next to Lerner at a press conference.  Serve the old turd right.

One of the bonuses on getting Martinez would be annoying Whelan, he was a twat last summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
think we'll know if the clubs changed direction by whom comes in. I doubt any 'rated' manager will come in with a pittance transfer budget. If a Curbishley or Coyle turns up we'll know they were after another yes-man willing to work under any conditions as per AM.
I may be being wildly optimistic but I just don't think this will be the case I'm hoping Lerner us going to speculate to accumulate He's lost too much money trying to do it this way
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
As I said yesterday, I'd rather we sat tight and waited for Martinez, or his agent, to approach us.  Then, we politely say 'no thanks' before having Faulkner appear on Skysports saying how Roberto contacted us, but we felt we wanted to go another way this time.

Paybacks a bitch.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
think we'll know if the clubs changed direction by whom comes in. I doubt any 'rated' manager will come in with a pittance transfer budget. If a Curbishley or Coyle turns up we'll know they were after another yes-man willing to work under any conditions as per AM.
I may be being wildly optimistic but I just don't think this will be the case I'm hoping Lerner us going to speculate to accumulate He's lost too much money trying to do it this way

I think he's probably willing to put money in to transfers but not to keep the club running, so transfer fees will be available but wages will only be allowed up to what the club can cover from revenue.  This seems to have been the message from the board for the last 2 years and I don't see them not living up to it this summer for the new guy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 15, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 02:28:20 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 15, 2012, 02:27:15 PM
Can we get avb in the poll please. May not be as unrealistic as some people think

I dont think he's unrealistic at all. I dont know why anybody would think that either.

Add Alex Ferguson whilst you're doing it.

Why on earth would AVB want to come to Villa. I doubt he'd even heard of us before he actually managed a team against us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 15, 2012, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
think we'll know if the clubs changed direction by whom comes in. I doubt any 'rated' manager will come in with a pittance transfer budget. If a Curbishley or Coyle turns up we'll know they were after another yes-man willing to work under any conditions as per AM.

A bit like Alan Pardew then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 15, 2012, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez

I hope it's a case of learning our lesson.  I truly hope that we go completely behind Whelan's back, and that the first he finds out about Martinez jumping ship is when he turns Sky Sports News on and sees Martinez sat next to Lerner at a press conference.  Serve the old turd right.
In todays interview on SSN, DW did insinuate that he didnt think "Roberto" was ready last season to step up to a "big club" and didnt speak badly of Villa at all. You cant blame DW for wanting to keep hold of the manager that has kept his small Wigan team in the Premier League. Perhaps the one thing I do like about Martinez is that he is very loyal and would be a long term appointment, however I wouldnt be confident that he is the right man for the job or capable of turning things around on or off the pitch...but the same could easily be said of Lambert, Rodgers or AVB.

Make no mistake, the new manager has a lot of work to do at Villa Park...the squad is not strong, he will need time to assess who to get rid of/bring in, and so whoever is appointed will need to view it as a long term project. For me, someone who can work with young players and identify young talent on a budget is essential for the club as a success in the long term. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
I'm not sure if Moyes is so unrealistic, he's not going to do any more with Everton, and the top jobs are all sewn up for the forseeable future.  We might be a "fresh challenge", as they say

I'd love to believe this. As I said in my post, he would probably bring us further than MON could. Our players, under both Houllier and MON, have shown that they will quickly 'stop playing' for somebody whom they don't respect. That's my one fear about Lambert, Martinez and Rodgers. With Moyes, they'd have to bloody well listen given what he has achieved at Goodison Park. I think we have more potential than Everton, but think he'd see it as a sideways move (at best) unless he was given something to really entice him. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
I think people hankering after AVB are kidding themselves I really do. I think he is a decent manager, but will be looking way higher up the food chain than us. IF he comes, then we are obviously willing to put a bit of money up for fees. I would think Lerner could well say to whoever comes there is x this summer, x next, and x the season after for fees within this wage budget, and then we want to be in a higher position and able to generate more cash.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
The Oracle has spoken............. well she meowed.
I was in the White Horse at lunch time and we conducted a scientific experiment to choose our next manager.
We wrote the names of Lambert, Rodgers and Martinez on pieces of paper and put them on the floor with equal amounts of cat nibbles on each name. We then called Sox the cat in and waited to see which pile of nibbles she went to first, she went straight to Lambert's paper. Just to check that it wasn't a fluke we then removed Sox from the bar and moved the names around and invited Sox back in and she went straight to Lambert again.
I'm not happy with her choice but she obviously knows best.
Anyway if Randy does go for Lambert and it all goes tits up blame Sox the cat.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 15, 2012, 03:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
The Oracle has spoken............. well she meowed.
I was in the White Horse at lunch time and we conducted a scientific experiment to choose our next manager.
We wrote the names of Lambert, Rodgers and Martinez on pieces of paper and put them on the floor with equal amounts of cat nibbles on each name. We then called Sox the cat in and waited to see which pile of nibbles she went to first, she went straight to Lambert's paper. Just to check that it wasn't a fluke we then removed Sox from the bar and moved the names around and invited Sox back in and she went straight to Lambert again.
I'm not happy with her choice but she obviously knows best.
Anyway if Randy does go for Lambert and it all goes tits up blame Sox the cat.
I am pretty sure Randy and Faulkner used the same method last season only it was Dunne and an assortment of cakes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez
That sounds like an invitation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2012, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on May 15, 2012, 03:01:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
The Oracle has spoken............. well she meowed.
I was in the White Horse at lunch time and we conducted a scientific experiment to choose our next manager.
We wrote the names of Lambert, Rodgers and Martinez on pieces of paper and put them on the floor with equal amounts of cat nibbles on each name. We then called Sox the cat in and waited to see which pile of nibbles she went to first, she went straight to Lambert's paper. Just to check that it wasn't a fluke we then removed Sox from the bar and moved the names around and invited Sox back in and she went straight to Lambert again.
I'm not happy with her choice but she obviously knows best.
Anyway if Randy does go for Lambert and it all goes tits up blame Sox the cat.
I am pretty sure Randy and Faulkner used the same method last season only it was Dunne and an assortment of cakes.

Ha ha! Brilliant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.

He's got to go.


That's the spirit.
He's had long enough to turn this club around.

See you in the car park. Bring a banner.



Too right. It's not where he's taking us, so much as where he hasn't come from yet.

He's the wrong man at the wrong time, whenever that is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Doorbell on May 15, 2012, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 10:19:03 AM
Can I be the first to say how disappointed I am with the appointment of the new manager?

I'm underwhelmed.

He's got to go.


That's the spirit.
He's had long enough to turn this club around.

See you in the car park. Bring a banner.



Too right. It's not where he's taking us, so much as where he hasn't come from yet.

He's the man at the wrong time, whenever that is.

I think you lot may be experiencing some of the space/time fluctuations caused by my Sir Patrick Moore/Brian Cox combo at VP....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez
That sounds like an invitation.

Does somebody want some compo, I wonder
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 15, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 03:08:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 15, 2012, 02:23:11 PM
Dave Whelan has said there has been no approach from Villa for Martinez
That sounds like an invitation.

Does somebody want some compo, I wonder

What, him out of last of the summer wine? Don't think he would be a good replacement for Martinez. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 03:38:43 PM
He 'd fit in around Wigan though!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 03:42:46 PM
Mick McCarthy is into 5/2 with some on oddschecker....

Paulie send Faulkner the gif!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: IRISHPHIL on May 15, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
what do people think of Gus Poyet as new manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: D.boy on May 15, 2012, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 03:42:46 PM
Mick McCarthy is into 5/2 with some on oddschecker....

Paulie send Faulkner the gif!
I'd rather Paulie sent Faulkner the gtfo!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 15, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Faulkner wants vibrancy and admits Eck a disaster http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 03:50:48 PM
Oh no! Mick McCarthy odd slashed 33/1 to 11/8.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 03:51:16 PM
Loads of money going on Mick McCarthy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Small Rodent on May 15, 2012, 03:53:43 PM
I may be a bit stupid here, but would a Premiership manager need a lot of time to "assess" another Premiership team's squad? Surely they're always eyeing up players as potential signings or as opponents.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
(http://www.mimcraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/dont-panic.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
We're not going to win anything anytime soon. The playing style has been horrible this year, and apart from brief spells under Houllier where there were signs of a more expansive game, we have been pretty unattractive for a long time now. We need someone who's not going to need mega-money (as it doesn't sound like it will be available), who will play attractive and attacking football and who can start to heal the club. Good with the younger players and capable of setting the foundations for a long-term revolution.

I think Brendan Rodgers looks like he would be great. I acknowledge that he's only had relatively recent success and that the work done by Martinez before him at Swansea helped put things in place but who wouldn't want a Villa team that played like Swansea?

Paul Lambert wouldn't be bad but has a little too much in common with O'Neill for my liking. Moyes is unlikely to go anywhere and Everton can be pretty conservative and gritty too. Martinez... who knows if he would want to move but despite Wigan playing well in the last third of the season, is he the man for the job? Di Matteo - is he actually any good? Does anyone know?

It all depends on what we want. Solid mid- to upper-table through grinding out results and counter-attacking football or stylish attacking play that will be sensational some games and get torn apart in others. I know which one I think would be more fun to watch.

Brendan Rodgers please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 03:55:04 PM
Mick McCarthy shot to 11/8, oh god no please dont do this to us
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 03:55:48 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 15, 2012, 03:50:48 PM
Oh no! Mick McCarthy odd slashed 33/1 to 11/8.
I do wish that you lot would stop trying to spoil what has been a happy last twenty four hours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 03:56:39 PM
He was only doing some shopping  in the Mailbox surely .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mattjpa on May 15, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
I think people hankering after AVB are kidding themselves I really do. I think he is a decent manager, but will be looking way higher up the food chain than us. IF he comes, then we are obviously willing to put a bit of money up for fees. I would think Lerner could well say to whoever comes there is x this summer, x next, and x the season after for fees within this wage budget, and then we want to be in a higher position and able to generate more cash.

Don't forget though he is out of work and so would be able to get a better package due to not being subject to compensation. He also loves England and the premiership and has something to prove after failing miserably at Chelsea. I think some of the bigger clubs may be put off by his recent failure and I don't believe Liverpool would be a good option for him with their instant craving for success and high pressure. We could be a good fit for him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 03:51:16 PM
Loads of money going on Mick McCarthy

Its 'Eck spending his compo money on putting the shits up us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: D.boy on May 15, 2012, 03:58:51 PM
Rogers has recently signed a 3 yr deal at Swansea so would be a very expensive option which I doubt we would explore. How many millions have we wasted in the last 3 years?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 03:59:20 PM
Mick McCarthy my arse.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 03:59:20 PM
Mick McCarthy my arse.

Is that a request?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: IRISHPHIL on May 15, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
what do people think of Gus Poyet as new manager

I would quite like Poyet, and think he deserves a shot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 15, 2012, 04:00:51 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 03:59:20 PM
Mick McCarthy my arse.
Alex Mcleish my arse
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 15, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 03:59:20 PM
Mick McCarthy my arse.

Is that a request?

I think it was a comparison of managerial capability.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 03:51:16 PM
Loads of money going on Mick McCarthy

Its 'Eck spending his compo money on putting the shits up us.

No MON is ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 03:55:48 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 15, 2012, 03:50:48 PM
Oh no! Mick McCarthy odd slashed 33/1 to 11/8.
I do wish that you lot would stop trying to spoil what has been a happy last twenty four hours.

We support Villa. We know the happy times dont last long. :D

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on May 15, 2012, 04:02:38 PM
Gus Poyet is the man
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?

Rodgers my arse.

Err I mean....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Mick McCarthy?  Fucking Hell! What would the point of sacking McLeish be if we got his footballing doppleganger?

If we're going down that route, let's at least try to get Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
If I may make a suggestion, constantly refreshing Oddschecker in reference to the the next Villa manager is a path paved with sorrow so best avoided.  Last summer the bookies had both Sven and Bob Bradley as odds on at various points.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 04:07:34 PM
Not that it's necessarily the biggest factor in all of this, but I don't think I've ever heard Rodgers, Martinez, Di Matteo or even Lambert for that matter make too many references to what they don't have.

I've had a bellyfull of managers on our payroll making thinly veiled digs about size of squads and needing to spend more -even when squads far inferior to ours (on paper) out perform them. It's happened as far back as O'Leary- in fact, it was probably JG who kicked the thing off.

Those first four work with what they have and get on with it, rather than believing the solution is always one more player or another spending spree.

In the case of Di Matteo, he worked under a DoF at the Olbiyun (not sure what the case is at Chelsea).  I think (though I can't be certain) that Martinez and Rodgers would be happy to work under (or in partnership with) a DoF.  Whereas Lambert -similar to MON- effectively IS the DoF, as his coaches do the tactics, training and so forth.  He oversees the whole thing. For that reason, he would perhaps find it more difficult to accept any input from a Comolli or similar.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?

Yes please. With some nice Claret & Blue ribbon. And make sure you do that curly thing to the ribbons with the scissors. That always looks lovely.

I wasn't necessarily saying we would get him. I just think, money aside (and if rumours are to be believed we may have saved some in McLeish's dismissal due to the 40 point clause), with a genuine long-term view, that he would be the best candidate for the job. Not the most 'gettable' or the most likely - that is probably Lambert.

God forbid anyone is seriously considering McCarthy, Bruce, Curbishley etc. After this year's disaster you would hope a lesson has been learned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
Di Matteo is starting to look a more attractive bet out at 20's. Might be worth a fiver.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
If I may make a suggestion, constantly refreshing Oddschecker in reference to the the next Villa manager is a path paved with sorrow so best avoided.  Last summer the bookies had both Sven and Bob Bradley as odds on at various points.

Absolutely, it's such a small market that a couple of £50 bets destroy the odds as the bookies react to anything that might hurt them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 04:10:05 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Mick McCarthy?  Fucking Hell! What would the point of sacking McLeish be if we got his footballing doppleganger?

If we're going down that route, let's at least try to get Tony Pulis.

Pulis off!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
heard there's been a lot put on Mccarthy today. Not even Lerner is that stupid is he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?

Yes please. With some nice Claret & Blue ribbon. And make sure you do that curly thing to the ribbons with the scissors. That always looks lovely.

I wasn't necessarily saying we would get him. I just think, money aside (and if rumours are to be believed we may have saved some in McLeish's dismissal due to the 40 point clause), with a genuine long-term view, that he would be the best candidate for the job. Not the most 'gettable' or the most likely - that is probably Lambert.

God forbid anyone is seriously considering McCarthy, Bruce, Curbishley etc. After this year's disaster you would hope a lesson has been learned.


Vibrancy does not make Mick the Thick McCarthy come to mind. Nor does compelling football. It would make a mockery of their statements so far. No, no and more no. Holloway is more suitable!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:11:27 PM
Not a chance is it going to be McCarthy, I'm certain they've learnt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 15, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
heard there's been a lot put on Mccarthy today. Not even Lerner is that stupid is he?

After Faulkners quotes earlier it will no be McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?


i said earlier that i thought it was around the 8 mill mark, but it seems it is more like 5mill,

but a buy out clause definitely exists because Rogers himself said so when he recently signed his new 3 and a half year contract
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
If I may make a suggestion, constantly refreshing Oddschecker in reference to the the next Villa manager is a path paved with sorrow so best avoided.  Last summer the bookies had both Sven and Bob Bradley as odds on at various points.

Absolutely, it's such a small market that a couple of £50 bets destroy the odds as the bookies react to anything that might hurt them.

Anyone with 50 to spare stick it on Coyle and lets see what happens to his odds to set our minds to rest please?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?


i said earlier that i thought it was around the 8 mill mark, but it seems it is more like 5mill,

but a buy out clause definitely exists because Rogers himself said so when he recently signed his new 3 and a half year contract

That's about as much as Richard Dunne cost. I'd take that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645

Faulkner wants vibrancy..... it surely can't be Mick!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
If I may make a suggestion, constantly refreshing Oddschecker in reference to the the next Villa manager is a path paved with sorrow so best avoided.  Last summer the bookies had both Sven and Bob Bradley as odds on at various points.

Absolutely, it's such a small market that a couple of £50 bets destroy the odds as the bookies react to anything that might hurt them.

Anyone with 50 to spare stick it on Coyle and lets see what happens to his odds to set our minds to rest please?!


i just put £40 on MK Dons to qualify tonight at Huddersfield at 8/1,
  got a feeling its not all over that one
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
Whys he gone from 5/1 to 2/1 on sky bet ..     Is it his wife having a bet , wants him out of the house
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645

Faulkner wants vibrancy..... it surely can't be Mick!

Not a chance is it McCarthy, the vibrancy thing implies a young manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 15, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: Simmons on May 15, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Brendan Rodgers please.

Certainly, sir - that'll be £8m.  Would you like me to wrap him for you?


i said earlier that i thought it was around the 8 mill mark, but it seems it is more like 5mill,

but a buy out clause definitely exists because Rogers himself said so when he recently signed his new 3 and a half year contract

That's about as much as Richard Dunne cost. I'd take that.

I wouldn't.  I don't think there's enough evidence to justify using money we need to spend on the defence buying out his contract.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
face it lads.......its mick.....

*loads shotgun*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:14:45 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645

Faulkner wants vibrancy..... it surely can't be Mick!

Graham Norton?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
face it lads.......its mick.....

*loads shotgun*

Ha ha..not a chance. They've learnt their lesson in hiring managers with a track record for relegation...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2012, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
face it lads.......its mick.....

*loads shotgun*

Don't be daft.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nev on May 15, 2012, 04:26:14 PM
Just heard a whisper that the odds on Mick have collapsed. If he is appointed, Lerner has had it. I like Mick, a nice, honest, hard working manager, but not a good manager in the PL.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
It's not a whisper. Seems as loud as it can possibly get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:29:15 PM
Cockney scouser on Talksport claims Liverpool are the British Version of Barcelona because of the expectancy there

what great team would they be compared to for delusion ???  hilarious     :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
If they appoint McCarthy they can forget ever being given the benefit of the doubt by the fans ever again. They have to know this already, don't they? Surely they can't appoint McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
I would feel sorry for anyone having bought a season ticket after McLeish got sacked , then to find out McCarthy is the new manager .    Can we keep away from Mac's please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 15, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
If they appoint McCarthy they can forget ever being given the benefit of the doubt by the fans ever again. They have to know this already, don't they? Surely they can't appoint McCarthy.

I'd offer to eat my hat if they appointed McCarthy but I ate it round about this time last year when McLelish got the gig.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andrew08 on May 15, 2012, 04:35:20 PM
I think it should be 2 or 3 of our senior defenders as player/coaches.

Lots of on the piss bonding sessions and swigs of brandy at half time when it's cold. Compulsary not so crafty ciggies/bacon butties after training and then invite one of our 82 legends over to give an insight into what an honour it is to play for Villa, then beat him up afterwards, 'as he's not as rich as us like'. Then tootle off home, at least 100 miles away in any direction from Brum.




Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 15, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
McCarthy will be at Hull City if anything.  Not Villa
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 15, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:29:15 PM
Cockney scouser on Talksport claims Liverpool are the British Version of Barcelona because of the expectancy there

what great team would they be compared to for delusion ???  hilarious     :D

More athletico madrid tbh, have been a big club for a period of their history and had some success outside that but the rest of the time there's been a big media darling down the road that has overshadowed them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
who the hell's betting on him? No wonder the bookies are spooked..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 04:39:35 PM
I never have a problem with people making mistakes, just so long as they learn from them and don't repeat them.

McCarthy would be repeating the Scottish Manager mistake.

However, I very much doubt there's any truth in it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 04:41:20 PM
It can't happen. It is nearly as stupid as appointing someone like Alex M..... ah shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 15, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
 Poyet would be an intersting choice. But if some fans question Martinez and Lambert god knows what the reaction would be like if he were approached. McCarthy rumour isnt even worth talking about. Feel sorry for the morons who have actually put money on him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
There is not a chance McCarthy is coming as manger, they are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
Mick McCarthy? It couldn't be, surely?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
just got talksport on myself. what is it with fatty micky quinn and his hatred towards us?? last season he was the same but i didnt take much notice. Just said that we WERE a bigger club than norwich and took a swipe at us for never giving mcleish a chance. The bloke is a A1 Tosser
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mattjpa on May 15, 2012, 04:42:19 PM
There is no chance they will hire ol'sniff round corners. Nobody at villa is that stupid surely
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 04:43:56 PM
Got to go for Paul Lambert.

12month rolling contract at Norwich and has expressed frustration at the lack of funds to develop the canaries further.
The board need to be firm and concise with their 1st choice as this appointment has to be spot on.
Lambert im sure would see Villa as a 'step up' the managerial ladder. Norwich play good attacking football which would be a much needed tonic after the Eck disaster of 2011-2012.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
Mick McCarthy? It couldn't be, surely?!

It's not, not a chance. Faulkner has talked about vibrancy and Lerner mentioned compelling football. They realised they fucked up last year, they won't hire McCarthy he is not vibrant, doesn't play compelling football, he was partially responsible for a side being relegated and was last employed by one of our local rivals. There are so many reasons there and all of which they got burnt for last year, not a chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on May 15, 2012, 04:45:33 PM
No chance we will appoint McCarthy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Mick McCarthey will NOT be our new manager, he'll end up at Small Heath when Hughton goes to Ulbion
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 04:46:40 PM
Mick McCarthy. That's a good one. Our board would be stupid enough because they were ten times more stupid last time around. But I just can't see it this time around.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 15, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
Poyet would be an intersting choice. But if some fans question Martinez and Lambert god knows what the reaction would be like if he were approached. McCarthy rumour isnt even worth talking about. Feel sorry for the morons who have actually put money on him.

Don't feel sorry for them, it'll be Dogheads on a wind up now that they have their Stollen Bakecake.

Who's in the running for The Boggies job, same as for ours?

Has Hughton quit Blouses yet btw?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 04:47:11 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
heard there's been a lot put on Mccarthy today. Not even Lerner is that stupid is he?

I'm convinced it won't be anyone with local connections Greg. They've acknowledged they've fucked up in recent years and they will make this appointment with great care. Nothing controversial and I would bet your house that they are taking much more of an interest in what fans are saying even if they would never publicly admit that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
just got talksport on myself. what is it with fatty micky quinn and his hatred towards us?? last season he was the same but i didnt take much notice. Just said that we WERE a bigger club than norwich and took a swipe at us for never giving mcleish a chance. The bloke is a A1 Tosser

fuckin hate him really do , wanking on about King Kenny dont know how he gets the work he knows nothing .

commenting on Liverpool and Daglish,  refuting anyone else would have been sacked with those results , well he is King Kenny!

must stop listening grrrrrrrrrr   >:(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 04:48:24 PM
It won't be anybody obvious.  Leftfield Lerner on the case.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 04:50:15 PM
Quote from: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
just got talksport on myself. what is it with fatty micky quinn and his hatred towards us?? last season he was the same but i didnt take much notice. Just said that we WERE a bigger club than norwich and took a swipe at us for never giving mcleish a chance. The bloke is a A1 Tosser

He is a horse molester
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 15, 2012, 04:51:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
just got talksport on myself. what is it with fatty micky quinn and his hatred towards us?? last season he was the same but i didnt take much notice. Just said that we WERE a bigger club than norwich and took a swipe at us for never giving mcleish a chance. The bloke is a A1 Tosser

fuckin hate him really do , wanking on about King Kenny dont know how he gets the work he knows nothing .

commenting on Liverpool and Daglish,  refuting anyone else would have been sacked with those results , well he is King Kenny!

must stop listening grrrrrrrrrr   >:(


I heard that.  He just about stopped short of re-opening the Suarez racism case.  It hard a massive impact on poor innocent Liverpool...the heart bleeds.  What a twunt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:51:50 PM
 
Quote from: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 04:48:24 PM
It won't be anybody obvious.  Leftfield Lerner on the case.

sarah Palin hmmmm ? :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 15, 2012, 04:52:12 PM
Has Steve Bruce got himself a job yet?  I hope so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 04:52:28 PM
Mick Mcarthy is 2/1 with sky bet, why  is the question.

if he is the next manager then i will certainly be signing up to the conspiracy theory that a Billionare Blues fan who nobody knows has bought the club and is taking us all for a ride, there is no other possible explanation
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
Mick McCarthy is this year's Steve McClaren - a stalking horse that everyone gets upset about.

Then Lerner and Faulkner appoint Steve Bruce to show the fans they're calling the shots.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 15, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
After PF statement there is no way it could be MM. The markets move very quickly with even the smallest of bets at the moment. We've had x3 different managers odds on so far in less than 24hours
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:54:39 PM
He's 2-1 because people put money on him and he's without a job. Not a chance, Lerner isn't stupid enough to mess this up again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 15, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
Mick McCarthy is this year's Steve McClaren - a stalking horse that everyone gets upset about.

Then Lerner and Faulkner appoint Steve Bruce to show the fans they're calling the shots.

With the greatest of respect that's as ridiculous as your name!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 04:57:11 PM
Karl Henry will be pleased, if no-one else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 04:59:13 PM
but who are these people betting on him? they're not villa fans, so either they're insane or know something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: HalesowenVilla on May 15, 2012, 04:42:04 PM
just got talksport on myself. what is it with fatty micky quinn and his hatred towards us?? last season he was the same but i didnt take much notice. Just said that we WERE a bigger club than norwich and took a swipe at us for never giving mcleish a chance. The bloke is a A1 Tosser

I turned it off when he said why want Lambert leave a team on the up to go to a team who will be relegated next season.     W.A.N.K.E.R
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
Megson is also being touted by Talksport now, so there is plenty of bollocks going on. If it's from England it'll be Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers. I maintain the board have been correctly stung with the experience of this year, they won't be making another terrible appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 15, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
Mick McCarthy is this year's Steve McClaren - a stalking horse that everyone gets upset about.

Then Lerner and Faulkner appoint Steve Bruce to show the fans they're calling the shots.

I think I'll have to start putting a smiley face and LOL at the end of every post.  Is there a sarcasm emoticon?
With the greatest of respect that's as ridiculous as your name!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 15, 2012, 05:11:09 PM
Once bitten twice shy, you’d think that they would have learned their lesson after last season but just because the board have got rid of The Scottish Manager quickly it doesn’t excuse the fuck up in the first place. I’ll reserve my judgement on the board until after this appointment I think.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
i reckon its DC5 gone and put his holiday money on Mcarthy just to keep the wind up going        ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
Lambert has just jumped to favourire on Skybet with RM third and MM still second.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on May 15, 2012, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 05:04:31 PM
Megson is also being touted by Talksport now

What!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
remember the last two appointments, Houllier and Mcleish wernt even on the big list at the bookies at first
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 15, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
Talksport 's ONLY aim is to get listeners riled enough to call them on the phone.  That's it.  One big wind-up.  There is zero chance of the Villa appointing Gary Megson or Mick McCarthy.  Zero. 

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villasjf on May 15, 2012, 05:18:19 PM
Not committing to renewing until I know the new man, MM FFS another yoyo manager who is dour.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: adamski villa on May 15, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
Emile Heskey is only 66-1 with Billy Hills, mind you thats the same as Pep Guardiola
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 15, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
Talksport 's ONLY aim is to get listeners riled enough to call them on the phone.  That's it.  One big wind-up.  There is zero chance of the Villa appointing Gary Megson or Mick McCarthy.  Zero. 



they'll end a segment by suggesting that Gary Pendry is coming out of retirement and would be a good fit for Villa, and Randy is selling up to the Bhatti brothers. They don't half talk crap on there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 15, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 15, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
Talksport 's ONLY aim is to get listeners riled enough to call them on the phone.  That's it.  One big wind-up.  There is zero chance of the Villa appointing Gary Megson or Mick McCarthy.  Zero. 



they'll end a segment by suggesting that Gary Pendry is coming out of retirement and would be a good fit for Villa, and Randy is selling up to the Bhatti brothers. They don't half talk crap on there.

That they do Toronto.  It's drivel.  Micky Quinn FFS!  Utter drivel. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
And Lambert favourite on Skybet now, so see swings and roundabouts. I actually expect it to be Lambert though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 15, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
The runaway train came over the hill and she blew
The runaway train came over the hill and she blew
The runaway train came over the hill with McCarthy driving and TC too
and we.......aargghhh!

Goodnight children everywhere

God Im in a time machine.....help!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 15, 2012, 05:34:10 PM
Quote from: villasjf on May 15, 2012, 05:18:19 PM
Not committing to renewing until I know the new man, MM FFS another yoyo manager who is dour.
Yeh but he`s a nice bloke and that`s what matters to Randy :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 05:40:21 PM
Pep Guardiola 66-1 with William Hill!! then again....

Mick Mccarthey down to 2-1 with skybet, they couldnt do that to us......surely???!!!

Lambert 13-8 and thats where my money is going - id be very happy with that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:41:40 PM
As I said McCarthy pretty much contradicts everything that has been said by the club since Mcleish was sacked, there is not a chance they're looking at him. Straight after a sacking you always get manager's jumping up and down the odds tables as people speculate. It's not going to be McCarthy, Bruce or anyone like that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Rumours around merseyside that dalglish has just been sacked!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 05:43:16 PM
If McCarthy does get the job, I wonder who sent Randy the letter recommending him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Adventurer on May 15, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
25/1 into 2/1.........please Randy,you can't possibly appoint McCarthy.......please no!!!!  >:(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 15, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Rumours around merseyside that dalglish has just been sacked!

Yeah and now he is 5/2 for the villa job. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: philthebar on May 15, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
I've seen Joachim Löw mentioned in the press.  Now with him at the front end and Klinsmann as DoF, to me would be a dream team.  (ok probably dreaming)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 15, 2012, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Rumours around merseyside that dalglish has just been sacked!

News hasn`t reached this part of Merseyside yet
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 15, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Rumours around merseyside that dalglish has just been sacked!
I hope not. Its been reported that KKK is due for meetings with the owners this week, but we need him to keep his job so a) 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' continue to be shite b) they are a more attractive proposition than Villa for any manager we may be looking at.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 15, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
I've seen Joachim Löw mentioned in the press.  Now with him at the front end and Klinsmann as DoF, to me would be a dream team.  (ok probably dreaming)

Joachim Low would be a brilliant appointment on every level, but probably beyond us I'd think. I'd be happy with Lambert or Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:47:58 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 15, 2012, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
Rumours around merseyside that dalglish has just been sacked!

News hasn`t reached this part of Merseyside yet

Just heard it on car radio and liverpool refusing to comment .

A big story if it does get confirmed - would they want martinez though?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 15, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
The bookies are rarely wrong and after Lerners monumentous fuck up with McCleish expect McCarthy to be Villa manager for next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:53:13 PM
Well Mcleish was absolutely nowhere in the betting last year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?

fuck me eastie. Have you learnt nothing good comes from watching that bollocks 24-7? Do you think the board, that just put out a damning statement, really about themselves would fire McLeish, and then turn around and appoint McCarthy. The same McCarthy that has been fighting relegation with a local rival every year he's been in the PL?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?

fuck me eastie. Have you learnt nothing good comes from watching that bollocks 24-7? Do you think the board, that just put out a damning statement, really about themselves would fire McLeish, and then turn around and appoint McCarthy. The same McCarthy that has been fighting relegation with a local rival every year he's been in the PL?

Exactly, we need to calm down a bit. The board's statement shows they understand now that we want compelling football and a vision. It's not going to be anyone like McCarthy, Bruce or Megson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
Toronto , seen ssn about 1 hour this week , hardly 24/7- just repeating the odds they have just quoted, im backing lambert but with randy and faulkner it could be anyone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 15, 2012, 05:57:06 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

Because its not going to happen...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 15, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?

fuck me eastie. Have you learnt nothing good comes from watching that bollocks 24-7? Do you think the board, that just put out a damning statement, really about themselves would fire McLeish, and then turn around and appoint McCarthy. The same McCarthy that has been fighting relegation with a local rival every year he's been in the PL?

Yes. Who on Earth would have confidence in our board after the last appointment? Apart from people connected to Villa it really would be fucking hilarious though wouldn't it?? McLeish to McCarthy, it's like something out of some sick twisted nightmare. At least Randy might be sectioned after that appointment??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

because it's bollocks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

Because they don't have a clue where people are going.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

Because they simply have not got a clue who will be going where...it's a small market and someones probably lumped £50 on AVB to Stripeyfilth
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rancid custard on May 15, 2012, 05:57:54 PM
How come Di Canio hasn't been mentioned yet?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

Maybe we're more realistic than Tescobag fans?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
Toronto , seen ssn about 1 hour this week , hardly 24/7- just repeating the odds they have just quoted, im backing lambert but with randy and faulkner it could be anyone.

1 hour? The needle on my Chinometer just snapped off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.''

That statement from Lerner shows he won't be hiring McCarthy, Bruce, Megson or the like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
I don't think we'll be seeing that massive cranium in the Villa manager's dug out anytime soon.

Ol' Box Head will be very lucky to get another top flight gig.

That said, it shows how much our profile has taken a battering that such a non entity could even be loosely associated with the position.  But then I guess that's what happens when Curbishley, McLaren and you know who have all been serious contenders (and worse) for the position since 2010.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 15, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?

fuck me eastie. Have you learnt nothing good comes from watching that bollocks 24-7? Do you think the board, that just put out a damning statement, really about themselves would fire McLeish, and then turn around and appoint McCarthy. The same McCarthy that has been fighting relegation with a local rival every year he's been in the PL?

Yes. Who on Earth would have confidence in our board after the last appointment? Apart from people connected to Villa it really would be fucking hilarious though wouldn't it?? McLeish to McCarthy, it's like something out of some sick twisted nightmare. At least Randy might be sectioned after that appointment??



it is true TV, no one in the world thought they would appoint Mcleish but they did,

i dont believe they are looking at Mcarthy, but there track record suggests that anything is possible, and that has been proven in the past
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
First text from a bluenose laughing saying we are getting McCarthy. Has gone quiet since I told him his likely destination...Not a chance in hell.

Martinez - Liverpool
Lambert - Villa
Hughton - Baggies
McCarthy - Blose

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
First text from a bluenose laughing saying we are getting McCarthy. Has gone quiet since I told him his likely destination...Not a chance in hell.

Martinez - Liverpool
Lambert - Villa
Hughton - Baggies
McCarthy - Blose



Can see that happening, and won't be disappointed by it at all! McLeech to, errrrr .....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 06:10:55 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
First text from a bluenose laughing saying we are getting McCarthy. Has gone quiet since I told him his likely destination...Not a chance in hell.

Martinez - Liverpool
Lambert - Villa
Hughton - Baggies
McCarthy - Blose



In my humble opinion, we'd have got the best deal if that proves prophetic. I'm hoping 'pool haven't an eye on Lambert, Rodgers or AVB.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
It won't be McCarthy, he doesn't wear glasses.

Our appointments go... glasses one (Taylor), big centre-half (O'Leary), glasses one (O'Neill), big centre-half (McLeish)... we're due a glasses one.

So it will be Paul Lambert.

McCarthy will have a good shout next time though, it'll be him or Neil "Razor" Ruddock.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Keeno on May 15, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
Jurgen Klopp would be nice...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: Keeno on May 15, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
Jurgen Klopp would be nice...

I thought I heard him walking around Birmingham earlier, but it was just some bloke using coconuts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 06:16:39 PM
i think if Dalglish is sacked Martinez will be a shoe in at Liverpool,

 i would put a few quid on but he's already favourite and the odds are rubbish,
although i would love him at Villa he is probably a better fit for them, they have been bought up on pass and move football and probably have players more capable than us of playing that way at first.

whereas Lambert is probably a better fit right now for Villa, as he is more of a thinking mans MON and more of what we are used to,
 the only reason i would still put Martinez at the top of my wish list, is because i think he could given time change the whole culture at Villa, in a similar way to what Wenger did at Arsenal
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Boz on May 15, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
Perhaps the real question is Who Wants to be our New Manager!!

Will Lambert, Martinez et al swop from their present job to come to B6. Looking at the final league positions and with Lerner/Faulkner in charge, is the Villa job more attractive, and if the Liverpool job becomes vacant, they are likely to be a preferred choice for an up and coming manager.

Unless Randy offers significant transfer funds, VP may not be an attractive choice except for dead legs like Bruce etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2012, 06:17:42 PM
Faulkner said earlier that relegation was too close a call this time so i hardly think they're going to employ a bloke who just about kept his side up on the last day of the season on goal difference 12 months ago. They've had their fingers burnt with McLeish and besides they need to sell season tickets.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 15, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 15, 2012, 06:17:42 PM
Faulkner said earlier that relegation was too close a call this time so i hardly think they're going to employ a bloke who just about kept his side up on the last day of the season on goal difference 12 months ago. They've had their fingers burnt with McLeish and besides they need to sell season tickets.
We brushed with relegation the season before too and look what happened then
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 15, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
  I think jumped up Lplop will think they are too big for Martinez, the most deluded supporters on the planet.

  IF Daglish goes, i would'nt be surprised if FSW goes back there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 15, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
Di Matteo I think it will be
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 15, 2012, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.''

That statement from Lerner shows he won't be hiring McCarthy, Bruce, Megson or the like.
That sounds a perfectly compelling and reasonable argument.Then you think about the last appointment and the doubts set in.This for me the is the last chance for Lerner et al to salvage themselves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on May 15, 2012, 06:24:22 PM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 15, 2012, 05:57:24 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 15, 2012, 05:39:49 PM
Sky reporting mick mccarthy odds tumbled from 25-1 to 2-1 2nd favourite in last hour - surely they wouldnt would they?

fuck me eastie. Have you learnt nothing good comes from watching that bollocks 24-7? Do you think the board, that just put out a damning statement, really about themselves would fire McLeish, and then turn around and appoint McCarthy. The same McCarthy that has been fighting relegation with a local rival every year he's been in the PL?

Yes. Who on Earth would have confidence in our board after the last appointment? Apart from people connected to Villa it really would be fucking hilarious though wouldn't it?? McLeish to McCarthy, it's like something out of some sick twisted nightmare. At least Randy might be sectioned after that appointment??



it is true TV, no one in the world thought they would appoint Mcleish but they did,

i dont believe they are looking at Mcarthy, but there track record suggests that anything is possible, and that has been proven in the past

The odds are nonsense - theres not much money on this market so any slight move and the odds swing wildly. On Betfair there is £21k in total staked and McCarthy is now back to 8's - I layed (i.e. bet against him being manager) when the odds were 6 so in theory I could now back him at 8 for a guaranteed win but I'm not going to bother - no way is McCarthy being considered - on various bet forums lots of people talkup/down certain managerial appointments (not just Villa job) to get people reading to lump some money on - they then lay off their bet for a guaranteed profit when the odds change. Pump and dump I think its called (exactly the same as when shares get ramped) and I could see McCarthy being talked up on a few forums - for no reason other than some gambler to make some money (admitedly I've had a slice but there you go). Same thing going on with Liverpool - you can actually make money by laying Martinez for both the Villa/Liverpool jobs as his odds are fluctuating for both - if you get it right you can make some money irrespective if he goes to either club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 15, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
I honestly think we are more attractive now as an option than we were last summer.

1. Expectations from the fans could not be any lower.
2. They could not do any worse and, in a similar way when Harry took over Spurs, they will have "took them from relegation threatened to FA Cup winners" next to their name. (We can dream!)
3. Any man coming in will not be McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 15, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
From the OS Apologies if already posted

Chief executive Paul Faulkner insists the board are determined to bring in a new manager to "reinvigorate" Villa.

Faulkner is adamant the search is on for a boss to "bring the vibrancy" back to B6.

He is also confident that Villa are "very strong" as a club, despite the frustrating league placing in the term just gone.

Faulkner says managing Villa offers a magnificent opportunity because of, among other things, the "passionate owner and phenomenal fanbase."

He said: "I think we want to find someone who can reinvigorate the club, someone who can bring some vibrancy back to Villa. That's what we need and that's what we can get.

"You want someone who can inspire the players, inspire the fans and can deliver on the pitch.

"I think there are an awful lot of reasons you would want to come to Aston Villa. You look at the size of the club, you look at the infrastructure that we have here, both the facility at the training ground is one of the best in the country and our academy is one of the best in the country, our stadium is one of the best in the country.

"We have a fantastic owner who loves the club and has supported his managers, there's the club's history, the fans are phenomenal, why would you not want to come here?

"That's what Villa is, it's a great club. Now, the past two years the first team has struggled but Aston Villa as a club is very strong."

Faulkner accepts that the previous campaign simply wasn't good enough but he believes Villa can start challenging in the upper reaches of the table - and push for a European spot with the right man in charge.

He continued: "It's now a fresh start for us. The 2011/12 season is gone, obviously the decision has been made with Alex and for us now it's all about the future.

"It's about the new manager, it's about next season, it's about bouncing back and getting Villa back where we should be, where we feel we should be.

"Where we are right now, we're looking for a manager and we're looking to go into next season and be in those positions where we will be in there challenging. We should be in that top half of the table and fighting for the European places. Why not?

"I think that the priority is to get the manager. The next step is to sit with them and make sure we go into the season with a strong squad. We actually had our first signing of the summer here yesterday, Brett Holman, so that process has already begun and will continue.

"We know there needs to be improvement and that's what we're going to be aiming for."

Faulkner says Villa "don't want to hang around" although getting the right man is absolutely paramount.

He continued: "My phone has been going non-stop. We are very focused on this and we are going to give it absolutely everything.

"We have lots of people to consult and take advice from. That will be done as we aim to get the right man for Aston Villa.

"You never want to put a timeframe on it. We have made a quick decision on Alex and so now our aim is to bring someone in as soon as we can. The time element is something we only control a part of but we don't want to hang around now."

Faulkner also paid tribute to the character of outgoing Alex McLeish and said the decision to dispense with the manager was due to results on the pitch.

He added: "This has been a disappointing season for us. We had to make the decision with Alex McLeish. We did it with a heavy heart because Alex is a good man and he's a good manager with a track record of success.

"Obviously he had that as a player and I'm sure he will go on in the future to have success but the results that we had this year simply weren't good enough for Aston Villa."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 15, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
Good statement to be fair. Now get Lambert!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MarkM on May 15, 2012, 06:46:07 PM
"We have a fantastic owner who loves the club and has supported his managers, there's the club's history, the fans are phenomenal, why would you not want to come here?"

Perhaps he should ask all those that turned us down last year
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: philthebar on May 15, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 15, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
Good statement to be fair. Now get Lambert!

Not keen on Lambert, he will use us as a stepping stone as he has with all other clubs he has managed.  I want somebody for the long term.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
Aload of bobbins, fighting for europe ffs... No mention of resources being a good reason to come to us. I'd feel a lot more confident about who was arriving if Faulkner wasn't coming out with the same crap he did last season
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
Every manager will, potentially, use us as a stepping stone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
Cut the guy some slack, what else is he going to say? Apart from which, he's not entirely wrong is he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 15, 2012, 06:49:17 PM
Whoever we choose the important thing is that their first plus surname must have only three or four syllables thereby being able to fit into the .....claret and blue army rendition. Those managers who historically have fallen foul of this rule have either been failures, played negative football or both. Three syllables tend to favour the most entertaining sides eg Big Fat Rons Claret and Blue Army, whereas the last incumbent ran to 5 syllables, QED.
Interestingly Paul Lamberts Claret and Blue Army has the correct number of syllables and has proper poetic syntax, a definite winner there. Robert Martinez fails on all counts and is therefore doomed to failure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 15, 2012, 06:51:20 PM
Quote from: My left Foot on May 15, 2012, 06:49:17 PM
Whoever we choose the important thing is that their first plus surname must have only three or four syllables thereby being able to fit into the .....claret and blue army rendition. Those managers who historically have fallen foul of this rule have either been failures, played negative football or both. Three syllables tend to favour the most entertaining sides eg Big Fat Rons Claret and Blue Army, whereas the last incumbent ran to 5 syllables, QED.
Interestingly Paul Lamberts Claret and Blue Army has the correct number of syllables and has proper poetic syntax, a definite winner there. Robert Martinez fails on all counts and is therefore doomed to failure.
Mick Mcarthys' claret and blue army.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 06:52:15 PM
Apparently they are going to debate the Villa job and Midlands managers in general on R5 from 7pm tonight for those interested - which probably means 5 minutes of Pat Murphy after the news at nine!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 15, 2012, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 15, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 15, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
Good statement to be fair. Now get Lambert!

Not keen on Lambert, he will use us as a stepping stone as he has with all other clubs he has managed.  I want somebody for the long term.


If it does come to light Lambert uses us as a stepping stone to a Top 4 club it means he will have done a fantastic job at VP. Bring it on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 15, 2012, 06:55:43 PM
If lambert did use us as a stepping stone and eventually moved to a bigger job it would mean he had been a big success here - i would go for lambert and believe he could build something here like moyes has at everton and stay here for a good few seasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 15, 2012, 06:55:53 PM
Please not Mick Mc Carthy
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 06:57:31 PM
Or, given time, he might even make us a top four club?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
How come AVB is 20/1 for baggies and 40/1 for Villa.

Because they don't have a clue where people are going.

It has nothing to do with what the bookies think. The price reflects where the money is being bet, then - almost entirely without human intervention - risk management software will adjust the price accordingly so the bookie isn't too exposed.

The "the bookies are never wrong" line is bollocks. Firstly, there is really very little knowledge of the human type involved once the markets are set up. Secondly, a typical bookmaker will return as payouts to punters around 95 percent of stakes placed, so if you want to use the words "right" and "wrong" with regard to bookies, the figures suggest the punter wins quite a lot, all in all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
I don't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Why people worried Lambert will use us as a stepping stone . If he goes on to Manure or Chelski because he was a massive success at Villa , I wouldnt give a damn and we would probably in a better position to get another good manager.

I want our manager to be a success , its like saying let's not sign Ashley Young because If he's a success he will go to Manchester Utd ,  you might as well not bother signing any young player with potential then. 

If he is that good that people think he will  be a stepping stone manager and go onto bigger things , at this time then , he is good enough for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
What the fuck is going on with this McCarthy bollocks? Been at work all day and the Beeb are saying he's the favourite? He can cock off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 07:03:50 PM
Faulkner statement on the job search from the OS:

Quote
Chief executive Paul Faulkner insists the board are determined to bring in a new manager to "reinvigorate" Villa.

Faulkner is adamant the search is on for a boss to "bring the vibrancy" back to B6.

He is also confident that Villa are "very strong" as a club, despite the frustrating league placing in the term just gone.

Faulkner says managing Villa offers a magnificent opportunity because of, among other things, the "passionate owner and phenomenal fanbase."

He said: "I think we want to find someone who can reinvigorate the club, someone who can bring some vibrancy back to Villa. That's what we need and that's what we can get.

"You want someone who can inspire the players, inspire the fans and can deliver on the pitch.

"I think there are an awful lot of reasons you would want to come to Aston Villa. You look at the size of the club, you look at the infrastructure that we have here, both the facility at the training ground is one of the best in the country and our academy is one of the best in the country, our stadium is one of the best in the country.

"We have a fantastic owner who loves the club and has supported his managers, there's the club's history, the fans are phenomenal, why would you not want to come here?

"That's what Villa is, it's a great club. Now, the past two years the first team has struggled but Aston Villa as a club is very strong."

Faulkner accepts that the previous campaign simply wasn't good enough but he believes Villa can start challenging in the upper reaches of the table - and push for a European spot with the right man in charge.

He continued: "It's now a fresh start for us. The 2011/12 season is gone, obviously the decision has been made with Alex and for us now it's all about the future.

"It's about the new manager, it's about next season, it's about bouncing back and getting Villa back where we should be, where we feel we should be.

"Where we are right now, we're looking for a manager and we're looking to go into next season and be in those positions where we will be in there challenging. We should be in that top half of the table and fighting for the European places. Why not?

"I think that the priority is to get the manager. The next step is to sit with them and make sure we go into the season with a strong squad. We actually had our first signing of the summer here yesterday, Brett Holman, so that process has already begun and will continue.

"We know there needs to be improvement and that's what we're going to be aiming for."

Faulkner says Villa "don't want to hang around" although getting the right man is absolutely paramount.

He continued: "My phone has been going non-stop. We are very focused on this and we are going to give it absolutely everything.

"We have lots of people to consult and take advice from. That will be done as we aim to get the right man for Aston Villa.

"You never want to put a timeframe on it. We have made a quick decision on Alex and so now our aim is to bring someone in as soon as we can. The time element is something we only control a part of but we don't want to hang around now."

Faulkner also paid tribute to the character of outgoing Alex McLeish and said the decision to dispense with the manager was due to results on the pitch.

He added: "This has been a disappointing season for us. We had to make the decision with Alex McLeish. We did it with a heavy heart because Alex is a good man and he's a good manager with a track record of success.

"Obviously he had that as a player and I'm sure he will go on in the future to have success but the results that we had this year simply weren't good enough for Aston Villa."


After saying all of that, I severely doubt we'd even think about going with McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
That's Mad Mick out of the running, then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 07:05:14 PM
Faulkner on R5 talking to Murphy any minute now!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:06:44 PM
Faulkner on R5 now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 07:07:42 PM
Faulkner said this season has been a disaster.

Didn't we tell him that last summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
Sounds very determined and to the point doesn't he
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:09:35 PM
'Worst year Villa has had in a generation'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 07:10:59 PM
'Not been a very good year at all, has it?'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
'Desperately want some stability here'

'we want to find someone who can reinvigorate the club'

'someone who can inspire the fans, deliver on the pitch'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 07:12:30 PM
They know the problems we've had with our previous manager, and they've made that clear - perhaps best shown through his sacking one day after the season ended.

It's not going to be McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 07:13:01 PM
That 'age is just a number, but...' was indicative. The 'but' slipped out there. Hopefully that does mean a young manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wozwebs on May 15, 2012, 07:14:08 PM
...or an older one. Hello Mr. Capello :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:14:58 PM
'Randy here for the full term'

'trying to be smart about what we do'

'it's now a fresh start for us, about a new manager, bouncing back, getting Villa back where we feel we should be'

'Got to get this right'

'Phone been going none stop, very focused on this, aim to give this everything we have got'

'we don't want to hang around now'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
Murphy saying we should go for Brendan Rodgers

Randy flying in end of the week to 'streamline the process'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 07:16:17 PM
Murphy thinks we should go for Rodgers. I agree, I just don't think we'd get him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:16:56 PM
Murphy reckons Villa situation will be finalised within a week
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
I thought he spoke very well in fairness, Faulkner that is, not Murphy! We shall see.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 15, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
I've found out where this McCarthy thing came from.
A mate of mine was in Corals in town this morning when Randy Lerner came in and put a million quid on McCarthy to get the Villa job. As he walked out he was laughing out loud and was heard to say wait 'till they see those odds come down. That'll teach those fu*kers on H&V to give me a hard time, especially that Risso guy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 15, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
Does murphy have the inside track at villa any more?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Off Topic, but just listening to R5 post the Villa bit and what a nice man John Hartson is...talks very humbly about his own faults etc
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 15, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Off Topic, but just listening to R5 post the Villa bit and what a nice man John Hartson is...talks very humbly about his own faults etc
Yeah like kicking a teammate in the face during a training session! Upmarket Barton in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: John on May 15, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Off Topic, but just listening to R5 post the Villa bit and what a nice man John Hartson is...talks very humbly about his own faults etc
Yeah Like kicking a teammate in the face during a training session! Upmarket Barton in my opinion.

Which he fully held his hands up to and was very contrite and humble about. He speaks in a very considered and thoughtful manner in my view about a range of topics. Still, off topic as I said so probably best to discontinue!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: John on May 15, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 15, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Off Topic, but just listening to R5 post the Villa bit and what a nice man John Hartson is...talks very humbly about his own faults etc
Yeah like kicking a teammate in the face during a training session! Upmarket Barton in my opinion.

When he was 21 and by his own admission, a bit wild. Then, surviving a brain tumour probably does teach a bit of humility. We've all done daft things, he learned from it Barton doesn't, no comparison!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 05:14:13 PM
i reckon its DC5 gone and put his holiday money on Mcarthy just to keep the wind up going        ;)
Don't give the game away.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ad@m on May 15, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
I might be late coming to this but I was listening to Talksport on the way home and they reckon Mick McCarthy is favourite for the Villa job and were royally ripping the piss as a result.

Mick McFuckingCarthy?!  Is Randy having a laugh?  Is it some kind of cruel social experiment to see how far you can push football fans before they crack and burn the ground down?!

I think I'd rather McLeish have stayed than us end up with that plonker.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: FrankyH on May 15, 2012, 07:42:05 PM
WM have just said McCarthy is favourite with 8 different bookies .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 15, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Bookies markets are easily led with a few high bets. All it takes is one punter fancying the odds when they're good (33-1 he was earlier), putting a large amount down and then the bookies will change their odds and more money will go on it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
Thing is, after the appointment last season you wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
First text from a bluenose laughing saying we are getting McCarthy. Has gone quiet since I told him his likely destination...Not a chance in hell.

Martinez - Liverpool
Lambert - Villa
Hughton - Baggies
McCarthy - Blose

I'd have a 50p Yankee on that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 15, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
First text from a bluenose laughing saying we are getting McCarthy. Has gone quiet since I told him his likely destination...Not a chance in hell.

Martinez - Liverpool
Lambert - Villa
Hughton - Baggies
McCarthy - Blose

Seems incredibly likely to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 15, 2012, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 15, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 15, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
Good statement to be fair. Now get Lambert!



Not keen on Lambert, he will use us as a stepping stone as he has with all other clubs he has managed.  I want somebody for the long term.

Stepping stone to who? Man Utd, Arsenal? He would have to had done an amazing job at Villa to get a better job than us. Get him in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 15, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
I thought he spoke very well in fairness, Faulkner that is, not Murphy! We shall see.

I just caught it on WM and have to say, I thought Mutphy took him to the cleaners.

All that "well, with the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to say it was a bad appointment" stuff - Murphy was clearly having none of that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 15, 2012, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 15, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
I might be late coming to this but I was listening to Talksport on the way home and they reckon Mick McCarthy is favourite for the Villa job and were royally ripping the piss as a result.

Mick McFuckingCarthy?!  Is Randy having a laugh?  Is it some kind of cruel social experiment to see how far you can push football fans before they crack and burn the ground down?!

I think I'd rather McLeish have stayed than us end up with that plonker.

It's bullshit though. Don't get your knickers in a twist over it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ad@m on May 15, 2012, 07:51:22 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 15, 2012, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 15, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
I might be late coming to this but I was listening to Talksport on the way home and they reckon Mick McCarthy is favourite for the Villa job and were royally ripping the piss as a result.

Mick McFuckingCarthy?!  Is Randy having a laugh?  Is it some kind of cruel social experiment to see how far you can push football fans before they crack and burn the ground down?!

I think I'd rather McLeish have stayed than us end up with that plonker.

It's bullshit though. Don't get your knickers in a twist over it.

I remember similar being said when the McLeish rumours started last year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 07:52:03 PM
Lightning can't strike twice. Can it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 07:53:29 PM
NO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
Said the same re McLeish last year.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 07:53:53 PM
God help us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 15, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
So if Mick is the favourite with the bookies where exactly are Lambert /Martinez supposed to be going.
Possibly Kenny has been relieved of his duties (or got a damn good telling off) but that frees up one position only

Unless its Martinez to Everton..and David Moyes to Villa Park!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 07:55:39 PM
There is absolutely no way in ten million years and a day that we will appoint Mick Mcarthy,
not after the season we have just had and the statements from the club officials













So why am I still a bit worried then ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ads on May 15, 2012, 07:57:21 PM
I would quite like Rodgers and the style he would bring.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: joecrow on May 15, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
surely Randy has learnt his lesson? my s/t will be going back if Mick Mcfuckincarthy rocks up. still dont beleive it though, look at last years early market.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 15, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
I thought he spoke very well in fairness, Faulkner that is, not Murphy! We shall see.

I just caught it on WM and have to say, I thought Mutphy took him to the cleaners.

All that "well, with the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to say it was a bad appointment" stuff - Murphy was clearly having none of that.

What else could Faulkner say though? He did say that he and Randy 'put their hands up' to the appointment. I reckon that's fair enough!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 15, 2012, 08:06:40 PM
Even Paddy Power was incredulous about Mick on TS earlier!
I thin Rodgers will be too expensive if the £5m get out clause is correct, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
It'll be one of Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers or AVB.  Yes please to any of them. Originally, I didn't really want Rodgers but he's worth a shot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 08:10:53 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about McCarthy if this is just based on betting patterns. The time to panic is when some reputable journalists start reporting that he's in the picture.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: joecrow on May 15, 2012, 08:15:03 PM
some bloke on talkshite was saying earlier that Nicol was of intrest to red scouse. might be an outside shot though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.

Style of football?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 08:15:50 PM
Quote from: James on May 15, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 15, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
I thought he spoke very well in fairness, Faulkner that is, not Murphy! We shall see.

I just caught it on WM and have to say, I thought Mutphy took him to the cleaners.

All that "well, with the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to say it was a bad appointment" stuff - Murphy was clearly having none of that.

What else could Faulkner say though? He did say that he and Randy 'put their hands up' to the appointment. I reckon that's fair enough!

He shouldn't have said it is easy to judge with the benefit of hindsight, as not only dud they have the entire fan base telling them it was mental, and McLeish's track record to look at.

Oh and he also said Mczleish had a great track record. Yes, a track record of a goal a game and getting relegated a lot.

Sorry, but I find it hard to trust them not to do something mental again, and that interview - though he said a lot of good things - hasn't really done much to convince me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:16:00 PM
Quote from: John on May 15, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
So if Mick is the favourite with the bookies where exactly are Lambert /Martinez supposed to be going.
Possibly Kenny has been relieved of his duties (or got a damn good telling off) but that frees up one position only

Unless its Martinez to Everton..and David Moyes to Villa Park!!!


I think it is Randy that has put the money on  McCarthy , its so it makes Lambert or Rodgers more desperate to come to us and they think they are going to miss out and we can get them cheaper  . ;)   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 08:17:00 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.

This is a tiny, tiny market. It takes hardly any money to move someone from 33 to 25.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.

If the board hadn't made the mental decision to appoint McLeish last year, stuff like this wouldn't scare the crap out of me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:18:58 PM
Martinez gone right out, by comparison, 6/1 in places from odds on.  Lambert back in the chair at 6/4-2/1. And you're right MickMac at 5/4-6/4 out of nowhere. Holy bejazus.! Rodgers and Curbs still bubbling away in dbl figs 10/12-1.
The BoD have the opportunity of a lifetime and ...well I hope it is just bookies speculation to draw in losers! I've enough of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.

Style of football?

All the defenders huddle around one bloke who picks the ball up and chucks it at the attackers, it'll never catch on here!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
If you genuinely think Mick McCarthy is a contender... well, I dont really know what to say.
I suppose I have no right to laugh at you because of what happened last year but this would actually trump that considerably.

Randy and Faulkner would have to genuinely be the thickest twats in the universe.
They've given McLeish the bullet because they realise their mistake. That he's costing the club money and reputation. You dont honestly think they'd sack him at expense to appoint somebody even more useless?

What exactly is McCarthy supposed to have done to earn such lofty positioning? Was it his awesomely terrible Sunderland team? His impossibly shit Wolves side?

Some gobshite with more money than sense has put some money on it or somebody is having a lend of somebody else with some info.
There's nothing else to it.
If there is, Randy should sell his plane because if he appointed McCarthy I'd have him shot down over the Atlantic on his next visit.

But, there isnt. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 15, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
I wouldn't have thought anyone is staking massive amounts so any half decent amount on Mccarthy will make his price drop a lot in the betting. We will know that the bookies know something when someone becomes odds on or the betting is suspended.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
If they appointed McCarthy, on top of everything this season.....well, I think I'd give up Villa, football altogether and possibly breathing in the same day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 08:11:42 PM
Bookies out here have Steve Nicol as a dark horse at 33-1. Ignored it initially at 50-1 but it's fallen so something is happening. He's been managing in the MLS with the New England Revolution. Apparently Randy has been impressed by him and he has a winning mentality from his playing days at Liverpool. He has won the MLS Cup and been coach of the year here.

If the board hadn't made the mental decision to appoint McLeish last year, stuff like this wouldn't scare the crap out of me.

yeh, but it also shows how easy it is for things to be made up and then taken as gospel.

The fact that we've got pages on Mick McCarthy is embarrassing. I get the fact that we appointed that numpty last year and people are a bit worried.  But we never got the type of board response, and from the chairman that we got this year. Something is very different. We're not going to be appointing McCarthy. Not now, not ever. He'd be the type of signing that would be exactly what McLeish was and given where we are 10 times as bad. If the board want to sink the club without trace they'll appoint him, Curbishley, Gary Pendry, Trevor Francis etc etc. They're not going to because it will be suicide. If they really wanted suicide they could have just kept McLeish and not paid him off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
Any idea how much it cost to pay him off?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 15, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
If they appointed McCarthy, on top of everything this season.....well, I think I'd give up Villa, football altogether and possibly breathing in the same day.
Ditto
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 15, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
Any idea how much it cost to pay him off?

don't know but even five quid have been too much. I'm sure he walked away with a few undeserved zeroes. We've been badly burnt by 3 successive managers now and I don't think Randy's all that happy. That's why the next bloke in won't be any of the naff being bandied about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 08:34:54 PM
I am suspending my natural miseryarseness and fully believe that the board do genuinely intend to appoint a man who is going to reinvigorate the club.  That man isn't Mick McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 15, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
People who think that McCarthy is in the running,are probably the.same folk who thought Mcleish wouldn't get sacked.

Ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Think about it..McL is on maybe £12m severance pay. Mick will come cheap.
You could not say RL is not 'a careful man with a dollar'. A year's contract to prove himself one way or tother whilst they screw the fans for another few bob to fill his ravished coffers? Naah he ain't that sort of capitalist exploitative rabble is he?Not our benevolent randy...naah. What a thought!
Jurgen Klinsmann at £10m a year and the cream of German footie to follow..or the scrapings of a demoted Wolves on the cheap.. naaah! Naah, they'd never do that to us!
Randy would not be that canny but he may have learnt something from the Scot!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:38:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 08:34:54 PM
I am suspending my natural miseryarseness and fully believe that the board do genuinely intend to appoint a man who is going to reinvigorate the club.  That man isn't Mick McCarthy.

Good man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 08:39:54 PM
I'm buying a few shares in bed linen just in case,
profits in house and home will soar if this actually does happen
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:40:14 PM

Paul Lambert 15/8
Mick McCarthy 2/1
Gordon Strachan 4/1
Roberto Martinez 11/4
Rafa Benitez 16/1
Brendan Rogers 20/1
Roberto di Matteo 20/1
Claudio Ranieri 20/1
Nigel Adkins 20/1
Paul Ince 20/1
Gus Poyet 20/1
Brian McDermott 20/1
Alan Curbishley 20/1
Malky Mackay 22/1
Ole Gunnar Solksjaer 25/1
Martin Jol 25/1
Kevin MacDonald 25/1
Steve Bruce 25/1
Avram Grant 25/1
Karl Robinson 28/1
Lee Clark 28/1
Dougie Freedman 33/1
Owen Coyle 33/1
Ally McCoist 33/1
Chris Hughton 33/1
Simon Grayson 33/1
Paolo di Canio 33/1
Andre Villas Boas 40/1
Fabio Capello 40/1
Bob Bradley 40/1


skybet
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Think about it..McL is on maybe £12m severance pay. Mick will come cheap.
You could not say RL is not 'a careful man with a dollar'. A year's contract to prove himself one way or tother whilst they screw the fans for another few bob to fill his ravished coffers? Naah he ain't that sort of capitalist exploitative rabble is he?Not our benevolent randy...naah. What a thought!
Jurgen Klinsmann at £10m a year and the cream of German footie to follow..or the scrapings of a demoted Wolves on the cheap.. naaah! Naah, they'd never do that to us!
Randy would not be that canny but he may have learnt something from the Scot!

Have you been drinking Dettol?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
I wouldn't put anything past RL & co.    To you and I MM is rubbish.  But to them he is the guy who went he left Wolves they went down.  Had he stayed....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:41:44 PM
Gordon Strachan at 4/1? Its all a load of bollocks.

Hurry over, Randy and get Lambert in chop chop.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:42:26 PM
yes..marvellous with a flaming sambuca chaser. I was attmepting irony! you know the thing between coppery and tinnie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Think about it..McL is on maybe £12m severance pay. Mick will come cheap.
You could not say RL is not 'a careful man with a dollar'. A year's contract to prove himself one way or tother whilst they screw the fans for another few bob to fill his ravished coffers? Naah he ain't that sort of capitalist exploitative rabble is he?Not our benevolent randy...naah. What a thought!
Jurgen Klinsmann at £10m a year and the cream of German footie to follow..or the scrapings of a demoted Wolves on the cheap.. naaah! Naah, they'd never do that to us!
Randy would not be that canny but he may have learnt something from the Scot!

Have you been drinking Dettol?

According to the Mail, McLeish got £2m severance pay. Where did £12m come from?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Who is Karl Robinson @28-1?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 15, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
Wasnt Bradley favourite for a while last summer? Bookies know f all at the minute.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:41:44 PM
Gordon Strachan at 4/1? Its all a load of bollocks.

Hurry over, Randy and get Lambert in chop chop.

Stu, my point being proved over and over again. What utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 15, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
When you see Gordon Strachan at 4/1 then you don't have to worry about seeing Mccarthy up there as well.

Villas Boas is worth a saft couple of quid at his price.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
I seem to remember hearing yesterday on the wireless that EH is no longer a Villa player.  Did I imagine it?   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:42:42 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 15, 2012, 08:38:20 PM
Think about it..McL is on maybe £12m severance pay. Mick will come cheap.
You could not say RL is not 'a careful man with a dollar'. A year's contract to prove himself one way or tother whilst they screw the fans for another few bob to fill his ravished coffers? Naah he ain't that sort of capitalist exploitative rabble is he?Not our benevolent randy...naah. What a thought!
Jurgen Klinsmann at £10m a year and the cream of German footie to follow..or the scrapings of a demoted Wolves on the cheap.. naaah! Naah, they'd never do that to us!
Randy would not be that canny but he may have learnt something from the Scot!

Have you been drinking Dettol?

According to the Mail, McLeish got £2m severance pay. Where did £12m come from?

It was said on here somewhere that he'd get 2-3 years pay in lieu of loss of contract..oh well I suppose Mick will have to work for even less than I first thought! and do the boots and his missus the shirts for return on Mondays.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 15, 2012, 08:41:44 PM
Gordon Strachan at 4/1? Its all a load of bollocks.

Hurry over, Randy and get Lambert in chop chop.


You noticed that one ;)    sorry guys
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 15, 2012, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 15, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
Any idea how much it cost to pay him off?

I hear off Twitter (I know) that there was a clause in his contract that said if he didnt get 40 points in a season the amount of compensation that he would get would be minimal.......which IF true was a good piece of business     
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
Gordon fucking Strachan 4/1????? Shotgun............booooooom!

Lambert in now. I reckon the poll speaks volumes for who most Villa fans want to see in the dugout
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Who is Karl Robinson @28-1?



I remeber the name . MKdons or notts co or something
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:50:26 PM
Just googled him, MK Dons manager, only 30 and never played league football. Never stopped Mourinho or Wenger though if memory serves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 15, 2012, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Who is Karl Robinson @28-1?



I remeber the name . MKdons or notts co or something

MK Dons playing tonight and knocking the ball around quite nicely
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
Karl Robinson is manager of MK Dons who are currently getting beat 3-1 on aggregate vs Huddersfield in the League1 playoffs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Who is Karl Robinson @28-1?



I remeber the name . MKdons or notts co or something

Put on channel 401 and you can see him in action!! MK Dons, oh, and no thanks.  This isn't the time for a gamble methinks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 15, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 15, 2012, 08:46:58 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 15, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
Any idea how much it cost to pay him off?

I hear off Twitter (I know) that there was a clause in his contract that said if he didnt get 40 points in a season the amount of compensation that he would get would be minimal.......which IF true was a good piece of business     

Timothy Abraham tweeted that yesterday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 15, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
Gettable:

Paul Lambert, Roberto Martinez.

Forgettable:

Steve Bruce, Mick McCarthy.

Fantaseeable:

Andres Villas Boas, Rafa Bernitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2012, 08:57:44 PM
I know that this is no guarantee but a bloke I know reckons the Lambert deal was done a fortnight ago and we don't have to worry about McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Then why did he motivate his players to beat us and cost us the money we could have got from finishing above Wigan? The dastardly bounder.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Why have about 5 people I know (non-villa) texted me "McCarthy?! Lol"  :( this isn't real is it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2012, 09:03:26 PM
I don't get why people are so keen on AVB. Is it just the name? Apparently the players at Chelsea never quite knew what he wanted. He alienated a lot of his squad, and the football wasn't very good. Granted he may well have turned things around, and he did well at Porto, but perhaps the English game isn't his thing. I actually think it'd be a huge gamble if we got him. With a squad of our standard and footballing ability, it could be an unmitigated disaster.

The likes of Lambert and Rodgers etc, at least know the English game and seem to have their players working singing to their song sheet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Why have about 5 people I know (non-villa) texted me "McCarthy?! Lol"  :( this isn't real is it?

Because they want to pull your fucking wang and seemingly are doing a good job of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2012, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Then why did he motivate his players to beat us and cost us the money we could have got from finishing above Wigan? The dastardly bounder.

Two reasons. firstly, professional pride for Lambert. Secondly, I reckon the Villa players didn't bother to compete because they wanted McLeish out and their deckchairs were waiting for them!! Seriously, it would be interesting to know if the players "knew" that McLeish was going, or had to finish below the 40 point mark to get ditched.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Why have about 5 people I know (non-villa) texted me "McCarthy?! Lol"  :( this isn't real is it?

Because they want to pull your fucking wang and seemingly are doing a good job of it.

Funnily enough the same thing happened around 11 months ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
Then why did he motivate his players to beat us and cost us the money we could have got from finishing above Wigan? The dastardly bounder.

Maybe it was because our lot were so bloody poor that Norwich looked good? Or that he's a pro who's still manager of Norwich?

He did seem very flustered in his post-match interview so it wouldn't surprise me if deal was done. I mean, even McLeish barely got off his ass at a villa match since Bolton. 2+2= 4, McLeish knew he'd be gone at the end of the season and Villa had already taken soundings from Lambert?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 09:12:17 PM
Quote from: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: noodles on May 15, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Why have about 5 people I know (non-villa) texted me "McCarthy?! Lol"  :( this isn't real is it?

Because they want to pull your fucking wang and seemingly are doing a good job of it.

Funnily enough the same thing happened around 11 months ago.

I know, I know. The scars. They run deep don't they?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2012, 09:15:33 PM
but when has anybody ever heard 'dynamic' and 'Mick McCarthy' in the same sentence? Keep calm and carry on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:19:57 PM
what about a Mick Mcarthy and Roy Keen dream team ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 09:22:36 PM
I wouldn't be keen on that at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 15, 2012, 09:22:36 PM
I wouldn't be keen on that at all.


i see what you did there, but i was one step in front, well nearly
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CheeriOneill on May 15, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
AVB @ 40/1 deal done!!

Would happily lose my stake on Lambert or Rodgers but that's the three for me!!

Or David Platt ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
Roy Kean and Steve Keane would be good. Maybe with Chris Houghton and Ray Hughton as reserve coaches.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 15, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 15, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Who is Karl Robinson @28-1?

MK Dons manager. Villa job a step to big for him imo ........


I remeber the name . MKdons or notts co or something
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
If Lambert's been tapped up, then call me a prick, as I'd be well happy with that. It's about time we went and got our man. I know there are some decent names that would do as good a job, but he seems to be the type of bloke that is ready to step up. His exposure to football in Germany means he is a student of the game and will, given the right opportunity cast his net out wide to find the right players and keep learning about the game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 15, 2012, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

You often see him on ESPN and by Christ he looks old now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.


there is something in it, and i know what it is
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 09:33:34 PM
It's nice that this time they aren't on about PL experience etc and seem to be acting more competently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
A friend of mine in America texted me to say they were repeating the Man City game on one of their "Soccer" channels and started talking about general football in the studio afterwards, eventually moving onto Villa. Nicol was mentioned as being a personal friend of Lerner's. Apparently McLeish went over to talk to him at the same time he went over to chat to the Cleveland Browns guys.

That might be why people are suggesting Nicol maybe? The one pundit seemed absolutely convinced we'd go for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2012, 09:36:30 PM
Quote from: john e on May 15, 2012, 09:33:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.


there is something in it, and i know what it is

I can smell it from here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.

I'm not ruling out Jockey Wilson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:39:19 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.
If we poach him, he'll be toast.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2012, 09:40:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.

I'm not ruling out Jockey Wilson.

If that's his chief concern, he should hire the Sky Sports girls to cheerlead at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spangley1812 on May 15, 2012, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.

I'm not ruling out Jockey Wilson.

Dead Cert I would say...........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 15, 2012, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.

I'm not ruling out Jockey Wilson.
I am waiting for Wilson Philips. Fuck it,everyone else has been mentioned !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.

paulie, don't shoot the messenger mate. It just seems weird that his number should have moved as much as it has in one day. He's done well out here, he has reputation as a very successful player in England at one of the most successful clubs ever. If Randy wants to create a different environment, and a culture of success then he'll be somebidy worthy of an opportunity. He's the right age as well. He also plays the right brand of football. You might be right, but he's not the same old names that have been recycled in English football. He'd bring some new ideas.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2012, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished'

That explains the Mick McCarthy link then - we're nicking the Green Bay Packer's coach. February's a bit of a long wait though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: curiousorange on May 15, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.

paulie, don't shoot the messenger mate. It just seems weird that his number should have moved as much as it has in one day. He's done well out here, he has reputation as a very successful player in England at one of the most successful clubs ever. If Randy wants to create a different environment, and a culture of success then he'll be somebidy worthy of an opportunity. He's the right age as well. He also plays the right brand of football. You might be right, but he's not the same old names that have been recycled in English football. He'd bring some new ideas.

I know it's not the technicality you're debating, but it won't be Steve Nichol. He'd provoke just as much bemusement and disquiet as someone like McCarthy, albeit for different reasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.

paulie, don't shoot the messenger mate. It just seems weird that his number should have moved as much as it has in one day. He's done well out here, he has reputation as a very successful player in England at one of the most successful clubs ever. If Randy wants to create a different environment, and a culture of success then he'll be somebidy worthy of an opportunity. He's the right age as well. He also plays the right brand of football. You might be right, but he's not the same old names that have been recycled in English football. He'd bring some new ideas.

Not shooting the messenger, at all, I'm just saying that the basis for your argument, ie the odds move, really means nothing at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 09:53:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'

Doesn't have to be the Championship play-offs. We could poach Danny Wilson.

I'm not ruling out Jockey Wilson.

loved the Dexys song
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 09:53:50 PM
The appearance on TotP was an absolute classic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 15, 2012, 09:54:17 PM
Norwich fans are very worried Lambert is off judging by their forums, but also just as convinced he won't go before next weeks friendly Vs Celtic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 09:55:24 PM
BING BONG! Mr. Walnuts to GM, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 09:55:41 PM
Peter Withe just checked in to the Hotel du Vin
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 15, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
If Lambert's been tapped up, then call me a prick, as I'd be well happy with that. It's about time we went and got our man. I know there are some decent names that would do as good a job, but he seems to be the type of bloke that is ready to step up. His exposure to football in Germany means he is a student of the game and will, given the right opportunity cast his net out wide to find the right players and keep learning about the game.

FWIW, my mate supports Wycombe and he absolutely hates Paul Lambert. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 10:02:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.

paulie, don't shoot the messenger mate. It just seems weird that his number should have moved as much as it has in one day. He's done well out here, he has reputation as a very successful player in England at one of the most successful clubs ever. If Randy wants to create a different environment, and a culture of success then he'll be somebidy worthy of an opportunity. He's the right age as well. He also plays the right brand of football. You might be right, but he's not the same old names that have been recycled in English football. He'd bring some new ideas.

Not shooting the messenger, at all, I'm just saying that the basis for your argument, ie the odds move, really means nothing at all.

I understand what you are saying, but the odds don't only move because of money but also because the bookies go by what they are thinking and how they can influence the market. The fact that McCarthy is that far up is done as much to cause alarm and stimulate interest in the situation. When a lesser name moves I read more into that. I have no idea why in the US, Steve Nicol's name, a name I'd never had in my head, would have dropped quite sharpely if there wasn't something in it. Now, I could be completely wrong, and probably am, and hope I am, but it would be an interesting move nonetheless.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Please Villa get either Lambert, Martinez, Low, AVB, Benitez or Rodgers. That's numerous options, now go get one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 15, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
If Lambert's been tapped up, then call me a prick, as I'd be well happy with that. It's about time we went and got our man. I know there are some decent names that would do as good a job, but he seems to be the type of bloke that is ready to step up. His exposure to football in Germany means he is a student of the game and will, given the right opportunity cast his net out wide to find the right players and keep learning about the game.

FWIW, my mate supports Wycombe and he absolutely hates Paul Lambert. 

why? He did rather well there. They went on a pretty good run in one of the cups if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Please Villa get Low
Now your talking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 10:02:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
well there's definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing as he has dropped to 28-1. Not earth shattering I grant you, and I'll start to brick it when he hits single digits. I've been on the Toronto FC website and they had someone mention it in their version of Off Topic. Off to check out the New England forum. Those fans won't be happy as he is very popular over there. His teams are very organised and play some nice stuff on the deck.

Toronto, there's not "definitely something in this Steve Nicol thing" whatsover, as I said before, a movement of that nature, in a market this small, means absolutely nothing whatsoever.

By your own measurement, if there's something in Steve Nicol based on that movement, then Mick McCarthy must be getting his initials painted on his new parking space at Bodymoor Heath.

paulie, don't shoot the messenger mate. It just seems weird that his number should have moved as much as it has in one day. He's done well out here, he has reputation as a very successful player in England at one of the most successful clubs ever. If Randy wants to create a different environment, and a culture of success then he'll be somebidy worthy of an opportunity. He's the right age as well. He also plays the right brand of football. You might be right, but he's not the same old names that have been recycled in English football. He'd bring some new ideas.

Not shooting the messenger, at all, I'm just saying that the basis for your argument, ie the odds move, really means nothing at all.

I understand what you are saying, but the odds don't only move because of money but also because the bookies go by what they are thinking and how they can influence the market. The fact that McCarthy is that far up is done as much to cause alarm and stimulate interest in the situation. When a lesser name moves I read more into that. I have no idea why in the US, Steve Nicol's name, a name I'd never had in my head, would have dropped quite sharpely if there wasn't something in it. Now, I could be completely wrong, and probably am, and hope I am, but it would be an interesting move nonetheless.

You could be onto something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Please Villa get Low
Now your talking.

We've already finished sixteenth, I don't want to get much lower.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 15, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 15, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
If Lambert's been tapped up, then call me a prick, as I'd be well happy with that. It's about time we went and got our man. I know there are some decent names that would do as good a job, but he seems to be the type of bloke that is ready to step up. His exposure to football in Germany means he is a student of the game and will, given the right opportunity cast his net out wide to find the right players and keep learning about the game.

FWIW, my mate supports Wycombe and he absolutely hates Paul Lambert. 

why? He did rather well there. They went on a pretty good run in one of the cups if I recall correctly.
He had Wycombe playing fairly decent football for that level. Certainly, I've seen them under about 5-6 different managers, including their current (a poor man's McLeish) and they looked a much better footballing side under Lambert than the others.
Wycombe had their best cup run, a Carling Cup Semi (or was it the FA? Can't remember) under Sanchez.
The last manager we had who started off at Wycombe, didn't do too badly anyway. And the one before him did reasonably well too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Please Villa get Low
Now your talking.

We've already finished sixteenth, I don't want to get much lower.
think of the post-match thread fun though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:31:07 PM
From what i've just heard from 2 different people, one of our targets won't have to buy a new scarf as the colours of his current club are the same.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Keeno on May 15, 2012, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Please Villa get Low
Now your talking.

We've already finished sixteenth, I don't want to get much lower.
think of the post-match thread fun though.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thing Jogi Low has other pressing matters on his mind right now...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
I hope you're not talking about the vibrant, free flowing Fat Sam.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:31:07 PM
From what i've just heard from 2 different people, our new manager won't have to buy a new scarf as the colours of his current club are the same. 

Burnley or Wet Spam? Dudley's finest perhaps?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 15, 2012, 10:38:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:31:07 PM
From what i've just heard from 2 different people, one of our targets won't have to buy a new scarf as the colours of his current club are the same.

Interesting.  This was posted about an hour ago.  There could be some truth in this.

Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Villa owner breaks his silence. 'We are doing nothing until after the play-offs have finished', leading to continued speculation about Sam Allardyce, should West Ham fail to beat Blackpool. 'Popularity with fans is our chief concern.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 10:39:33 PM
Alan Knill....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:40:03 PM
You should know by now that Lerner won't appoint a manager that the fans want.He will chose someone that none of us have so far thought of.Frightening but i think thats how it will pan out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 10:40:21 PM
There aren't many managers who, on the back of a season of being served up bucket after bucket of warm vomit by Alex "Great Track Record" McLeish, would actually make going to Villa matches less appealing, but Allardyce is one of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
Actually, when I consider this the more I think that it has mileage.  I heard that the Porno Dwarf had sanctioned his departure if they lose the playoff final. My boss who is an 'appy 'ammer is a corporate member at Wet Spam and has a box down there. They want 'arry back and reckon they'll get him if Spuds don't make the Champions League.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 15, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
I hope you're not talking about the vibrant, free flowing Fat Sam.

In fairness, he always does a solid job, and would get us scoring goals again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
From what I have just read in the Guardian it will not be Fat Sam. Is he young, vibrant and someone who will lift the club?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Is everyone suddenly on crack?  Talk of Allardyce and McCarthy?  There's not a hope in hell we'd go for either of these doughnuts, it simply will not happen. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:42:46 PM
Pah, I thought I was going to be first with this bit of ITK. Especially as I rarely post ITK, because unless it's from someone I know has a clue what they are on about I usually file it under idle gossip. However the 2 folks who text me tonight are no mugs.

**shakes fist at DC5**
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 10:44:12 PM
At least we might score from a corner. I think he might be a good fit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 15, 2012, 10:44:38 PM
If we want vibrancy and feel-good back at Villa we'd be better off hiring a dream team of Charles Hughes and John Beck than Sam fucking Allardyce.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 15, 2012, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:31:07 PM
From what i've just heard from 2 different people, one of our targets won't have to buy a new scarf as the colours of his current club are the same.

Alladyce?  Maybe Randy just loves hoof ball.  It’s his money after all.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 10:45:27 PM
One thing about Allardyce is that he attracts the media. He could work in a BFR-type way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:45:34 PM
Fat Sam? Please stop taking the piss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
From what I have just read in the Guardian it will not be Fat Sam. Is he young, vibrant and someone who will lift the club?
The confusion could be that Sam is DOF with Coyle as Manager. Lerner spoke highly of him after the Bolton game, it has been posted on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:42:46 PM
Pah, I thought I was going to be first with this bit of ITK. Especially as I rarely post ITK, because unless it's from someone I know has a clue what they are on about I usually file it under idle gossip. However the 2 folks who text me tonight are no mugs.

**shakes fist at DC5**

My boss is beside himself though PWS. They lose Fatsam and gain 'arry. I'm beginning to think that this has real substance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Randy Lerner has well and truly got the message of what the fans want from a Villa team.  Half of the names posted on here by people just for a laugh or wind up are not even in the picture.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Is everyone suddenly on crack?  Talk of Allardyce and McCarthy?  There's not a hope in hell we'd go for either of these doughnuts, it simply will not happen.

If someone would have suggested gingertwat last year wold you have called them crackheads.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 15, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
the fat sam link is coming from one of the WHU forums who reckon we might have made an approach, but it all depends on the outcome of the play off final.
cant believe it myself, but most of the W Ham fans seem quite happy if he goes even though they are one game away from the prem.

i certainly will not be going anywhere near VP if that twat rocks up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
I'm going to bed.  You lot have lost your bloody minds.  When I wake up I fully expect written apologies from everyone on here for even mentioning Fat Sam and the Villa job in the same thread.  Good night.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Is everyone suddenly on crack?  Talk of Allardyce and McCarthy?  There's not a hope in hell we'd go for either of these doughnuts, it simply will not happen.

If someone would have suggested gingertwat last year wold you have called them crackheads.
Which is why the same mistake just would'nt be made again. It just can't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 10:50:12 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
From what I have just read in the Guardian it will not be Fat Sam. Is he young, vibrant and someone who will lift the club?
The confusion could be that Sam is DOF with Coyle as Manager. Lerner spoke highly of him after the Bolton game, it has been posted on Twitter.
That actually sounds like a good double act. Coyle's a decent coach and Fat Sam is very clever tactically. It could work.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 10:50:19 PM
Is it April 1st?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Is everyone suddenly on crack?  Talk of Allardyce and McCarthy?  There's not a hope in hell we'd go for either of these doughnuts, it simply will not happen.

If someone would have suggested gingertwat last year wold you have called them crackheads.
Which is why the same mistake just would'nt be made again. It just can't.

RL has history though doesn't he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
How much were GH or AM on our radar?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
Assuming the claret and blue link isn't a joke - Eddie Howe at Burnley perhaps?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 15, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Is Randy going to inflict still more misery on us long suffering fools?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
There are quite a number of managers that I would be happy with this year. It's quite disheartening that in spite of this, I keep hearing the names of managers that would result in me being put on suicide watch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: luke25 on May 15, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 15, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Is everyone suddenly on crack?  Talk of Allardyce and McCarthy?  There's not a hope in hell we'd go for either of these doughnuts, it simply will not happen.

If someone would have suggested gingertwat last year wold you have called them crackheads.
Which is why the same mistake just would'nt be made again. It just can't.

RL has history though doesn't he?
Can't argue with that, i'm hoping the whole McLeish episode has hurt him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
Sam would see it as finally getting a big club, he would bring in some quality players too I reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Allardyce has a good foreign scouting network. Nobody can take that away from him. Could finish what Houllier started maybe?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 10:55:04 PM
I've heard rumours from seven different sources (one of whom correctly predicted the death of Whitney Houston) that David O'Leary has been approached. Apparently Rob Yates is next in line should that fail.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
Sam would see it as finally getting a big club, he would bring in some quality players too I reckon.
If he can get Cole scoring goals he could re-ignite our Gabby.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 10:55:36 PM
Be great if he could unearth us someone like Okocha. I still have nightmares about that freekick of his in the semi.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:56:08 PM
You GM collaborators shouldn't tease too much. Some of the plebs have dodgy tickers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 15, 2012, 10:57:07 PM
It's a sign of the times that Lerner has us worrying about who he will appoint as opposed to looking forward to who will be appointed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
Davies to replace Heskey?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:56:08 PM
You GM collaborators shouldn't tease too much. Some of the plebs have dodgy tickers.

Just commenting on what is on here, I know nothing beyond that Maz.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 15, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
Assuming the claret and blue link isn't a joke - Eddie Howe at Burnley perhaps?

A good up and coming manager but not enough experience.  Good start to his career but difficult to see that he is going to make it to the top.  Would definitely need a good DOF to lean on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 15, 2012, 11:01:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
Sam would see it as finally getting a big club, he would bring in some quality players too I reckon.

At Bolton there was a period where he managed to attract some top stars (relatively speaking) - Campo, Diouff, Okotcha spring to mind - without bankrupting the club.  A similar policy now could really compliment our youngsters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2012, 11:01:43 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
Davies to replace Heskey?

Worse still - he would probably re-sign Heskey. Sleep tight everyone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

There's sound logic behind that Kevin
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 11:03:20 PM
If Sam was Italian he would be called Allarderci and would probably be the boss of Juventus now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 15, 2012, 11:04:07 PM
The collective sigh of relief at the end of McLeish's "reign" has turned into one hell of a surreal party:-

Mick McCarthy? Sam Allardyce? Keep it up, this thread is comedy gold!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 15, 2012, 11:04:45 PM
There is only one man for the Villa -  a snip at 66-1 with a goal ratio to match. Step forward Ivanhoe!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

I can see your reasoning, I just can't see the board risking another appointment that the fans would never get behind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2012, 11:05:15 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 10:56:08 PM
You GM collaborators shouldn't tease too much. Some of the plebs have dodgy tickers.

Ahhhh, good shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 15, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
Bloody hell!!! You all having a session of Columbian marching powder? The names being mentioned a the last few pages are dreadful!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Karen Brady to replace Faulkner, she tweeted "leaving Birmingham  left a big hole that could never be filled"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 15, 2012, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 15, 2012, 11:05:21 PM
Bloody hell!!! You all having a session of Columbian marching powder? The names being mentioned a the last few pages are dreadful!

But plausible.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 15, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Didn't Fat Sam have something ridiculous like 40 staff at the Geordies?

I would worry that he would fall out with the groundsman if he gobs all his chewing gum on the pitch...

He does have localish roots though considering where he was born.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Karen Brady to replace Faulkner, she tweeted "leaving Birmingham  left a big hole that could never be filled"

I thought Brady was a big hole.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

There's sound logic behind that Kevin

And a very tenuous link.  Some people reckon that Lerner knows nothing about football so how is he going to come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:08:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Karen Brady to replace Faulkner, she tweeted "leaving Birmingham  left a big hole that could never be filled"


There is a video online of a bald bloke filling that hole with his head......... not Brady you say? Are you sure?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
A couple have already pointed out that Sam could be DOF with Coyle, aged 46, as Manager. As has been pointed out, it all hinges on the Play-Off Final, after which Lerner is expected to move fast.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

There's sound logic behind that Kevin

And a very tenuous link.  Some people reckon that Lerner knows nothing about football so how is he going to come to that conclusion.

Via Faulkner perhaps?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Balls.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 15, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
Wheres this playoff rubbish come from ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

There's sound logic behind that Kevin

And a very tenuous link.  Some people reckon that Lerner knows nothing about football so how is he going to come to that conclusion.

Via Faulkner perhaps?

and people reckon he knows even less!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
So now are we supposed to pray that West Ham win the play-off final?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
Simon Grayson 8/1 now     4th fave
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
So now are we supposed to pray that West Ham win the play-off final?
If you don't want Sam at Villa Park, yes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:19:27 PM
I am surprised Zola has not had another chance after West Ham. Did ok there on limited funds, kept them up, but was bombed out by Sullivan despite playing decent football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 15, 2012, 11:20:07 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
A couple have already pointed out that Sam could be DOF with Coyle, aged 46, as Manager. As has been pointed out, it all hinges on the Play-Off Final, after which Lerner is expected to move fast.
Oh shit it could be Holloway! Or the MK Dons manager he's only about 12 and experience is limited but getting a lot of good press lately.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
A couple have already pointed out that Sam could be DOF with Coyle, aged 46, as Manager. As has been pointed out, it all hinges on the Play-Off Final, after which Lerner is expected to move fast.

How very exciting. A bloke who has no class and a bloke who deals in relegations.  From the frying pan into the fire.  Does Randy never learn!! Hopefully this gets put to bed when West Ham win the play off.  Unless of course, he wants Holloway?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:20:30 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:17:44 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
So now are we supposed to pray that West Ham win the play-off final?
If you don't want Sam at Villa Park, yes.

I don't buy these rumours for a second, but I'll get the prayer mat out anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:21:43 PM
Are some of you really falling for this? Really?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
A couple have already pointed out that Sam could be DOF with Coyle, aged 46, as Manager. As has been pointed out, it all hinges on the Play-Off Final, after which Lerner is expected to move fast.

How very exciting. A bloke who has no class and a bloke who deals in relegations.  From the frying pan into the fire.  Does Randy never learn!! Hopefully this gets put to bed when West Ham win the play off.  Unless of course, he wants Holloway?
I hate Holloway but he would be a good choice. His team play good football and they work hard for him. To be honest I don't want a manager because I like them I want a manager who can manage our team well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 15, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 15, 2012, 11:20:07 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 15, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
Young, envigorating? Hmmm, sounds like fat Sam doesn't it? NOT.

It's silly season.
A couple have already pointed out that Sam could be DOF with Coyle, aged 46, as Manager. As has been pointed out, it all hinges on the Play-Off Final, after which Lerner is expected to move fast.
Oh shit it could be Holloway! Or the MK Dons manager he's only about 12 and experience is limited but getting a lot of good press lately.

And some have rumoured we are looking for a young, vibrant manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
Gordon Cowans is 33/5, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 15, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
Simon Grayson 8/1 now     4th fave

Interesting. His odds went down to the point that he was second favourite behind McLeish when he got the job last summer. I genuinely thought at the time that if the board got scared off by at the last minute by the fans reaction that they were going to go with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 15, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
As long as it's not Phil Brown. He was rubbish on Fighting Talk last week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 15, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 11:16:44 PM
Simon Grayson 8/1 now     4th fave

Interesting. His odds went down to the point that he was second favourite behind McLeish when he got the job last summer. I genuinely thought at the time that if the board got scared off by at the last minute by the fans reaction that they were going to go with him.
It's amazing I thought that too, and then they go and appoint McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
The Athenian Daily reports -Dimitri Hafakabab has been identified as the new coach for Aston Villa, Hafakabab gained acalaim by winning the Helenic Humous League with Panotaxalotofus an is now ready to bring his unique coaching style to the English Premier League, He was reported to say," football is a simple game, tis like chasing a goat over barbed wire fence, even though you score you still may feel a prick"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Well at least 2 of them are better than McLeish. Worrying though I admit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED

What's wrong with those two, say, working in the director of football/manager positions respectively?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Well at least 2 of them are better than McLeish. Worrying though I admit.


WHICH TWO?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Well at least 2 of them are better than McLeish. Worrying though I admit.


WHICH TWO?

The two that don't belong in the championship.


...wait...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 15, 2012, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Well at least 2 of them are better than McLeish. Worrying though I admit.


WHICH TWO?

Big Sam McCarthy and Mick Holloway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Somebody just bet their 6 magic beans on Susan Boyle and she's now gone to 13/7.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 15, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED

What's wrong with those two, say, working in the director of football/manager positions respectively?
Nothing wrong with it. That's the point of it. I have heard that, if they bring in a DOF, the manager will have to settle for our coaching staff.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:39:39 PM
Calm the fuck down, everyone. There's no way it'll be Allardyce or Holloway.

I had a text earlier that McCarthy is definitely a runner. We could do a lot worse IMO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:40:01 PM
snigger
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
Big Sam is the best of those 3, but can't see it if West Ham win on Saturday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 11:40:38 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 15, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 15, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
If you look at how injuries have ravaged our season these past two years, there might be some logic in the Fat Sam connection. 

He is big into sports science, and has a whole team of dieticians, nutritionists and physios that he takes to every club.  Except West Ham, I'm led to believe.  So he might welcome the opportunity to be reunited with them again at VP.

From the clubs point of view, they might think that less rehabilitation time for our key players will automatically result in more points, whilst at the same time Fat Sam won't be demanding the earth vis a vis transfer funds and so forth.

There's sound logic behind that Kevin

And a very tenuous link.  Some people reckon that Lerner knows nothing about football so how is he going to come to that conclusion.

Via Faulkner perhaps?

and people reckon he knows even less!

Not saying I'd want it, OMVF.

Just that based on the painting by numbers approach taken by the board for the last two appointments, I can see them going for it.

Need more of a foreign dimension to playing matters and player recruitment - and preferably a manager more affable and chatty than the last bloke?  -  appoint Houllier!   (even if his his star is on the wane)

Have a weakspot defensively and need a manager who can operate on a budget - appoint a defensive manager like McLeish!   (even if he is a shit defensive manager)


So yes, if they do seriously think that only injuries prevented us being a mid table> challenging for Europe side these past two years, a guy with Fat Sam's progressive approach to fitness (not his own, mind)  might be just what they're looking for.

Pretty certain Siralex would give him a glowing recommendation too, and we all know how much Beetroot features only wants the best for the Villa.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:32:34 PM
i'm officially pannicking now. when i left to go down the pub at 7pm it was mick mccarthy, now its Big Sam or Holloway.

WE'RE DOOMED
Well at least 2 of them are better than McLeish. Worrying though I admit.


WHICH TWO?
Gollum and Fat Sam are marginally better I suppose. Not my choices at all, Like I said its a bit worrying. I was happy yesterday now I'm expecting that moment like last summer. The McLeish moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 11:41:36 PM
Guardian says Randy's flying in tomorrow. They also reckon that "Villa aim to move swiftly and are determined to secure a young and ambitious manager whose appointment will give the club an immediate lift." So we're not getting Mick McCarthy, at least.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Just remember one thing, there were people on here insisting there was no way AM would be appointed an hour or so before he was.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:42:02 PM
Talking to a pissed villa fan down the pub and he wants that dog pudsey.  He's got a point
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:39:39 PM
Calm the fuck down, everyone. There's no way it'll be Allardyce or Holloway.

I had a text earlier that McCarthy is definitely a runner. We could do a lot worse IMO


buh???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
McCarthy will be prepared to work alongside a DOt'F, I understand
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 15, 2012, 11:42:52 PM
We just need to back the judgement of the board and roll with it. After all they know what's best for us!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:43:07 PM
Holloway, McCarthy or Allardyce would be a fucking disaster.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
McCarthy will be prepared to work alongside a DOt'F, I understand

So it's a Northerner then? Director of t'football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 15, 2012, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
McCarthy will be prepared to work alongside a DOt'F, I understand

So its looking likely then, not the worst situation in the world.

Plus I imagine Damon has some decent meeja contacts - decent ITK here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
Quote from: unclefabio on May 15, 2012, 11:41:36 PM
Guardian says Randy's flying in tomorrow. They also reckon that "Villa aim to move swiftly and are determined to secure a young and ambitious manager whose appointment will give the club an immediate lift." So we're not getting Mick McCarthy, at least.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager
How old is Fat Sam? Is he still classed as young? I wouldn't have thought so. Fingers crossed that story is true.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 15, 2012, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:42:28 PM
McCarthy will be prepared to work alongside a DOt'F, I understand

So it's a Northerner then? Director of t'football.

Who would work well with Coyle, given his time at Burnley and Bolton.
Check out @BoltonAlways on Twitter. He is trying to deny it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 11:45:23 PM
Thinking about it, Big Sam did very well with a limited budget at Bolton.  If we're still cutting back, then he is the safe pair of hands the Scottish Manager wasn't to keep us safely in the PL.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 11:45:33 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 15, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Somebody just bet their 6 magic beans on Susan Boyle and she's now gone to 13/7.

She could do her own version of "The Bells Are Ringing" for the team to take to the pitch to! 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
I used to know Big Mick quite well when I covered Millwall for the local paper. His head is literally hexagonal, you know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 11:47:21 PM
I might put a sneaky fiver on Brian Laws.  Claret & blue connection again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
Don't lock me inside it. I'm claustrophobic
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2012, 11:48:09 PM
Do we need to change the poll?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 15, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
Please do. Oh and ban anyone who thinks shite like Mick and Sam are going to reInvigorate the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:49:46 PM
Cant see Big Fat am getting too many votes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:51:08 PM
'Villa could also be interested in West Ham's Sam Allardyce, another manager frustrated by a lack of funds and well-known for organising clubs without spending fortunes.

Allardyce has more experience than most at this level and hails from the Midlands. His style may have its critics, but it is similar to O'Neill's in many ways.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 15, 2012, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 15, 2012, 11:48:09 PM
Do we need to change the poll?

Yes,I think we do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 15, 2012, 11:51:40 PM
Only we, Villa fans, could take getting the news we all prayed for during the last few months and turn it into sheer pessimism.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:52:26 PM
Big Mick is a decent honest football man. I know he'd be up for the challenge of getting more than 38 points. All this talk of Dave Jones is just too far-fetched for me. He's been dead too long to make a decent manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
I could see the point of Allardyce. He'd look abroad for talent and he'd sort the set pieces out. I know he has his bad points but I think he could work well for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.

Thanks pal. I'm not sure it will.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
Allardyce would be hard to persuade. He has a fantastic contract at West Ham, he's practically bathing in fanny from what I can make out on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 15, 2012, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 15, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
I could see the point of Allardyce. He'd look abroad for talent and he'd sort the set pieces out. I know he has his bad points but I think he could work well for us.

Pretty much how I see it.  Not my first choice, but makes sense on some levels.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
Allardyce would be hard to persuade. He has a fantastic contract at West Ham, he's practically bathing in fanny from what I can make out on Twitter.
Holloway could help him pull even more.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 15, 2012, 11:58:08 PM
I don't think we'd get permission to build a supermarket at VP. It's down as Leisure use for planning purposes, you'd have to get it changed to Retail & Commercial.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.

Thanks pal. I'm not sure it will.
You could just tell every one that you are in charge and go from there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:58:40 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

Not a fucking 'better shopper than you' is he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 15, 2012, 11:59:05 PM

I'm afraid Big Sam's nailed on.

Well he had to do something about falling off the toilet shitfaced.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

so they are in the frame? cheers dave.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 11:57:04 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 15, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
Allardyce would be hard to persuade. He has a fantastic contract at West Ham, he's practically bathing in fanny from what I can make out on Twitter.
Holloway could help him pull even more.

I can see them living it large in Reflex of a Thursday night.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

so they are in the frame? cheers dave.

I think you have to assess where the club is financially. You've been talking us down for years, so I don't know why you're kicking off about this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 12:02:50 AM
Apparently, Roy Hodgson was contacted the moment he got the England job and was asked for his recommendation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
So not a Waitrose then. Maybe a Lidl.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.

Thanks pal. I'm not sure it will.
You could just tell every one that you are in charge and go from there.

Oh I've tried that in the past. People have a hard time taking orders from a man with brown pus seeping from his left eye and a degenerative mouth condition.

Is it fair? No. Is it real? It's very real.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:04:40 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:03:17 AM
So not a Waitrose then. Maybe a Lidl.

We couldn't compete with the 24 hour Tescos of this world though. We'd be competing with an established supermarket just up the road.

Worrying times.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.

Thanks pal. I'm not sure it will.
You could just tell every one that you are in charge and go from there.

Oh I've tried that in the past. People have a hard time taking orders from a man with brown pus seeping from his left eye and a degenerative mouth condition.

Is it fair? No. Is it real? It's very real.
Have you thoght of getting in a PR consultant?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

so they are in the frame? cheers dave.

I think you have to assess where the club is financially. You've been talking us down for years, so I don't know why you're kicking off about this.


i'm well aware where the club is financially. In fact i've been aware of it long before most on here ever since the days of "but there's no budget greg, the general said so"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
If we can't decide between McCarthy, Holloway and Allardyce maybe we could appoint more than one and let them take turns. Holloway's teams play well at home, as I recall. Big Sam could do away games.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 12:03:33 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I'm going to lock this fucking thread in a minute.
You a moderator man?

No. It was a Lord of the Flies-style re-examining of the nature of leadrfship. Obviously.
I hope it works out for you.

Thanks pal. I'm not sure it will.
You could just tell every one that you are in charge and go from there.

Oh I've tried that in the past. People have a hard time taking orders from a man with brown pus seeping from his left eye and a degenerative mouth condition.

Is it fair? No. Is it real? It's very real.
Have you thoght of getting in a PR consultant?

Penile reconstruction? On my wages?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

so they are in the frame? cheers dave.

I think you have to assess where the club is financially. You've been talking us down for years, so I don't know why you're kicking off about this.


i'm well aware where the club is financially. In fact i've been aware of it long before most on here ever since the days of "but there's no budget greg, the general said so"
So if you are Randy and skint what do you do next?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
Greg, hate to say it mate but it is what it is. This is where we're at going forward.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
i'm well aware where the club is financially. In fact i've been aware of it long before most on here ever since the days of "but there's no budget greg, the general said so"

Well then you should be happy with what we appear to be getting then. Both men have had to work with strict budgets. It makes sense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
If we can't decide between McCarthy, Holloway and Allardyce maybe we could appoint more than one and let them take turns. Holloway's teams play well at home, as I recall. Big Sam could do away games.

And Mick can do this all day.

(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/516173355.gif?key=300254&Expires=1337124373&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=XyfgcL37cpNnQcvHUCLelNNCLAduI4NjxQtTw0oREBUV5-Lo5RVk6i2FTjpOaCBlGoj4riXFfLH3ygQOECYnoHLYRk6X-7FXoyuJI~vrekTM-7c7THQ095efDeUYLJEFtN8anMaCl77ZVHBnE3CO46TzVmoZFZpHe-6Nyo8khiA_)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Greg, you absolute gullible, bumba clart.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:11:16 AM
Greg you were advocating sticking with AM, are you dissapointed?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
If we can't decide between McCarthy, Holloway and Allardyce maybe we could appoint more than one and let them take turns. Holloway's teams play well at home, as I recall. Big Sam could do away games.

And Mick can do this all day.

(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/516173355.gif?key=300254&Expires=1337124373&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=XyfgcL37cpNnQcvHUCLelNNCLAduI4NjxQtTw0oREBUV5-Lo5RVk6i2FTjpOaCBlGoj4riXFfLH3ygQOECYnoHLYRk6X-7FXoyuJI~vrekTM-7c7THQ095efDeUYLJEFtN8anMaCl77ZVHBnE3CO46TzVmoZFZpHe-6Nyo8khiA_)

I love that gif, its genius.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
Mick McCarthy? You can stick that up your bollocks, he's not even Irish, the English c**t.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 12:14:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Greg, you absolute gullible, bumba clart.

lol, rofl, etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:08:45 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 15, 2012, 11:55:34 PM
If either holloway or big fat crook Sam get the gig, then fuck it. Shut us down and build a supermrket

You'd still do your shopping somewhere else.

so they are in the frame? cheers dave.

I think you have to assess where the club is financially. You've been talking us down for years, so I don't know why you're kicking off about this.


i'm well aware where the club is financially. In fact i've been aware of it long before most on here ever since the days of "but there's no budget greg, the general said so"
So if you are Randy and skint what do you do next?


go with cowans/mcdonald, because they'd have the backing of the fans to get past November at least before the knives were out. big sam/mccarthy/Holloway would be on borrowed time before they got behind the desk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:16:06 AM
I think it's time we all took a reality check. Lambert is going nowhere, he's on all the Colman's mustard he can eat and Delia is only half-way through teaching him how to make Dundee cake.

Ranieri is still recovering from the time he rotated his internal organs and ended up trying to breathe through his kidney.

Dave Jones is sadly still dead.

Which leaves us with Allardyce, McCarthy and Holloway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: adrenachrome on May 16, 2012, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:09:23 AM
Greg, hate to say it mate but it is what it is. This is where we're at going forward.

That reminds me of the non PC joke in which an Irishman is asked for directions to somewhere, and he replies "well, I wouldn't start from here".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 12:19:19 AM
I have just had a text off a mate who works in a well know Mancester hotel.Paul Faulkner has been spotted talking to Alan Shearer.The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Greg, you absolute gullible, bumba clart.

So whom do you think will be arriving? Seriously.. Best its gonna be is a lambert or a rodgers who while are up and coming now could easily be next seasons Coyle
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:21:02 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 16, 2012, 12:19:19 AM
I have just had a text off a mate who works in a well know Mancester hotel.Paul Faulkner has been spotted talking to Alan Shearer.The plot thickens.

Fits in with the 'younger manager' quote from Faulkner earlier to be fair. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
That could be nothing, Shearer is the dry cleaning agent for Radisson in the north west. Faulkner was probably just asking him to be sure to get the egg stains out of his tie
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 12:23:57 AM
From Twitter:
The sticking point with Coyle is that he wants to bring Assistant Manager, Sandy Stewart, with him. Stewart has worked with Coyle for a number of years. Lerner has two reasons NOT to allow Stewart to come with Coyle.
1 - the additional expense with a Director of Football, believed to be Sam Allardyce, would be too prohibitive.
2 - Lerner wishes to keep the established Reserve and Academy set up intact.
This may work well for Coyle who has a keen interest in Acadamy football.
Stewart would be a popular choice as Caretaker Manager at the Reebok. #BWFC #Coyle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
Coyle, now you're talking Greg. Good track record, and he's *definitely* gettable, after that thing with the relegation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
WAIT!

Stop and think now. If we have to wait until after the Championship play-offs then by clever clever decuction the new man must be ...



















Roberto Di Mateo, right?  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:28:28 AM
The more I think about it, the more I like Greg's thinking on Coyle.

He's like Lambert but with more experience. He's been relegated, so knows what's involved. Great profile, he's Scottish, would draw the crowds.

Good call
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 12:28:34 AM
I like Coyle, and I think he's been unlucky this season, but surely the very act of appointing a relegated manager for the second year running would be asking for a shitstorm.

Unless you're winding us all up Dave.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:29:42 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 12:11:16 AM
Greg you were advocating sticking with AM, are you dissapointed?

eh? Didn't want him but i could see doing shit with this team is not really underperforming but par for the course. Yes he did particularly bad, but barring 3 or 4 players, its a shit team and a Mourinho is gonna struggle to get into europe with it, though Faulkner seems to think its possible
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 12:29:49 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 12:23:57 AM
From Twitter:
The sticking point with Coyle is that he wants to bring Assistant Manager, Sandy Stewart, with him. Stewart has worked with Coyle for a number of years. Lerner has two reasons NOT to allow Stewart to come with Coyle.
1 - the additional expense with a Director of Football, believed to be Sam Allardyce, would be too prohibitive.
2 - Lerner wishes to keep the established Reserve and Academy set up intact.
This may work well for Coyle who has a keen interest in Acadamy football.
Stewart would be a popular choice as Caretaker Manager at the Reebok. #BWFC #Coyle.

If only you could could actually type all that on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 12:30:08 AM
Shearer kind of makes sense. Would probably be willing to work with a DoF. I reckon he might be the man to get the best out of Hutton as Newcastle is near Scotland.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 12:30:18 AM
Not Owen IUD, no thanks, McRelegator II: The Return!

Ye Gods Man, get a grip!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 12:30:43 AM
Oh bollocks.. MickMac lives down the road. His missus is happy in the local WI..There must be at leats 5 bin ends in the dogheads that will come over on equal pay. It's a done deal. Randy is  local boy and thinks we are even more local than what he is! Welcome Mick, for a year, and all your promising players; on the cheap.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:31:41 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Greg, you absolute gullible, bumba clart.

So whom do you think will be arriving? Seriously.. Best its gonna be is a lambert or a rodgers who while are up and coming now could easily be next seasons Coyle

(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrjc0aLq8I1r0tqpuo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 12:34:16 AM
The betting has gone squiff. Equal odds for Mick and Mart..and short at that. All the rest 16-1 and up!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:25:44 AM
Coyle, now you're talking Greg. Good track record, and he's *definitely* gettable, after that thing with the relegation.

Say one thing, you're better at this than yer dayjob
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 12:35:09 AM
It's Big Sam everyone.

Damon's obviously had a lot to drink tonight because he's spilled all the details over on the GM's. There's some unbelievable name dropping going on over there. Damon, I really couldn't care less that you've met Ray Winstone and Todd Carty.

The thing about the play offs is bullshit. He will leave West Ham regardless of the result. In the circumstances, I think it's a good choice. Villa fans really need to get into the real world. No chance of getting Lambert or Martinez. We need a man whose going to keep us in the division for the foreseeable future. That's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:35:18 AM
16-1 for Coyle looks like great value.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.

I'm half pissed in Liverpool and finding it all a bit of a struggle too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 16, 2012, 12:36:59 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.

You've every right to be.  So am I.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 12:37:06 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:35:18 AM
16-1 for Coyle looks like great value.
Keep it in here FFS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 16, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.

I'm half pissed in Liverpool and finding it all a bit of a struggle too.

Well you would be, the only way to cope with being in Liverpool is to be completely pissed!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 12:39:18 AM
Quote from: James on May 16, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 16, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.

I'm half pissed in Liverpool and finding it all a bit of a struggle too.

Well you would be, the only way to cope with being in Liverpool is to be completely pissed!

Who was it said that the only people who don't like Liverpool are football supporters? It's a great city.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:39:52 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 12:35:09 AM
Damon's obviously had a lot to drink tonight because he's spilled all the details over on the GM's. There's some unbelievable name dropping going on over there. Damon, I really couldn't care less that you've met Ray Winstone and Todd Carty.

I can't believe he's actually met Bonnie Langford and Michael Elphick though. Amazing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 12:40:15 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 12:34:16 AM
The betting has gone squiff. Equal odds for Mick and Mart..and short at that. All the rest 16-1 and up!

Sorry Lambert is same as Mickmac... Martinez is 11/4 now, and drifting. They rest are serious outsiders. Stevie Nichol ain't even there anymore. John Gregory 50-1, suddenly appeared? Someone knows!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:41:26 AM
I know a west ham fan. If we took Sam off them he'd probably buy me a pint.  Every day. for the rest of my life
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 12:43:11 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 12:39:18 AM
Quote from: James on May 16, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 16, 2012, 12:36:00 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 16, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
DC5 seems very interested in the Coyle talk and Damon thinks DC5 is Greg. I'm confused. Night.

I'm half pissed in Liverpool and finding it all a bit of a struggle too.

Well you would be, the only way to cope with being in Liverpool is to be completely pissed!

Who was it said that the only people who don't like Liverpool are football supporters? It's a great city.

It is Dave, and every one of our councilors should be sent up here to see how you promote your city through your heritage.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
"There's nothing in that as far as I'm concerned," said Allardyce.

"I haven't spoken to Owen Coyle. At the moment I don't know anything about that scenario."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:41:26 AM
I know a west ham fan. If we took Sam off them he'd probably buy me a pint.  Every day. for the rest of my life

Maybe if we had a manager like Big Sam, we wouldn't let talent like Habib Beye slip through the net.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 12:48:23 AM
Just had another text that mentions Allardyce. This is all getting a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 12:48:54 AM
He's 8/1 with 32Red now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
Based on tonight's events, I've taken that 8/1. Expect that to be greatly slashed by lunchtime.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:57:59 AM
i just hope we don't get lambert because he's the one Lerner would be stupid enough to give a  big contract to and he looks the favourite. Gone by this time next year if he comes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 01:03:02 AM
So, the first time he fails in his management career will be Villa. For definite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 01:05:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 01:03:02 AM
So, the first time he fails in his management career will be Villa. For definite.

To be fair, if it was going to be with anyone, it would be with us wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:06:43 AM
Mini-MON. you can see it happening with Lerner. Clueless for 2 seasons so he goes back to what he knows. even looks like pubehead
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hoppo on May 16, 2012, 01:07:47 AM
Small Heath are getting excited by Noel Blake being lined up to replace Hughton. Still dont believe that twat is coaching in the England set up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
A little over a year ago Coyle was flavour of the month as he had Bolton pretty high in the league and a good cup run going. Plenty on here were saying they wouldn't mind him. Then came the twatting by Stoke in the semi and they've been shite ever since.

That is the one thing that always concerns me with next big thing type managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:11:54 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
A little over a year ago Coyle was flavour of the month as he had Bolton pretty high in the league and a good cup run going. Plenty on here were saying they wouldn't mind him. Then came the twatting by Stoke in the semi and they've been shite ever since.

That is the one thing that always concerns me with next big thing type managers.

yep.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 01:13:49 AM
I've just got home from work. I can still confirm Steve Nicol, at least out here is under consideration. However, the Allardyce rumours shouldn't be dismissed. There's a lot of merit in hiring someone like him. Firstly, he isn't afraid of the media, and he'd be incredibly proud to be our manager. It would be the biggest job he's ever had, and will ever have. If anyone can raise our profile it will be Big Sam. Second, his Bolton team never went down and he even got them into Europe. Third, he has a reputation of signing quality foreign players, even if one or two are past their best. He managed to get Anelka in his prime to join Bolton for goodness sake for which he deserves an award. He's a big presence who can work within a budget and will make the best of it. I don't really believe he knows how to play one way. He just makes use of his resources.

I know that some people are going to urinate themselves over this, but it actually is quite feasible that this would be exactly the type of hiring that Randy is looking for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen

But at who?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 16, 2012, 01:14:43 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
A little over a year ago Coyle was flavour of the month as he had Bolton pretty high in the league and a good cup run going. Plenty on here were saying they wouldn't mind him. Then came the twatting by Stoke in the semi and they've been shite ever since.

That is the one thing that always concerns me with next big thing type managers.
I really can't stand Coyle and anytime i'm asked why I can never come up with a decent reason, I think he's just got one of those faces.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: spaf on May 16, 2012, 01:15:07 AM
Lambert's 15/8 now. Mick's on 2 and Roberto's 11/4.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:15:58 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 16, 2012, 01:14:43 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:10:31 AM
A little over a year ago Coyle was flavour of the month as he had Bolton pretty high in the league and a good cup run going. Plenty on here were saying they wouldn't mind him. Then came the twatting by Stoke in the semi and they've been shite ever since.

That is the one thing that always concerns me with next big thing type managers.
I really can't stand Coyle and anytime i'm asked why I can never come up with a decent reason, I think he's just got one of those faces.

I'm the same. I just don't like him. He also looks like a bird. The kind with feathers, not the kind with funbags.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen

But at who?

they pay far less abroad. One of things i criticised MON about was he didn't look at players in foreign leagues in the Europa places who were the same standard us but on lower wages . Same goes for managers
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen

But at who?

they pay far less abroad. One of things i criticised MON about was he didn't look at players in foreign leagues in the Europa places who were the same standard us but on lower wages . Same goes for managers

We need names Greg. Who would you go for?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 16, 2012, 01:27:06 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that
Swansea will go down next season in my opinion but that is a totally different subject.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:28:59 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that


ain't he a bit like houllier though? gonna come in with his possesion style of football  and be confronted with Dunne, Hutton and Co. they can't do it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 01:29:39 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen

But at who?

they pay far less abroad. One of things i criticised MON about was he didn't look at players in foreign leagues in the Europa places who were the same standard us but on lower wages . Same goes for managers

We need names Greg. Who would you go for?

Come on now Peter. He isn't giving you names. He'd find faults if Pep Guardiola waltzed through the front door begging to take on the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 16, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:28:59 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that


ain't he a bit like houllier though? gonna come in with his possesion style of football  and be confronted with Dunne, Hutton and Co. they can't do it.
Indeed, it would mean our support being patient for a season or two while he transformed us, sadly that aint going to happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:33:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:23:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Who would make you happy Greg?

I'd look abroad, but we know that won't happen

But at who?

they pay far less abroad. One of things i criticised MON about was he didn't look at players in foreign leagues in the Europa places who were the same standard us but on lower wages . Same goes for managers

We need names Greg. Who would you go for?


heh. I haven't even looked. We don't do managers with no premiership experience. Pointless...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 01:37:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.

I might be completely wrong about him but Rodgers actually gives that impression too. I think he's a good manager, but Lambert is just right in every way for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:41:11 AM
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:41:11 AM
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.

No, MON is a second-rate Lambert. Very similar in some ways, but Lambert has many ideas to implement their shared footballing template, whereas MON only has one.

Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 01:37:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.

I might be completely wrong about him but Rodgers actually gives that impression too. I think he's a good manager, but Lambert is just right in every way for us.

Rodgers is very self-confident certainly, but never seems to me be in a 'better than thou' kind of way.

Besides, I wholeheartedly disagree with this notion of Lambert's perfection. Norwich played the most direct football in the league last season outside of Stoke and Blackburn (I won't call whatever it was we did 'direct' because that implies a plan). The direction we should be going in is one of nurturing a playing style based on possession, not a return to, as I allude to above, a sophisticated version of MON-ball.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 02:06:07 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 16, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:41:11 AM
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.

No, MON is a second-rate Lambert. Very similar in some ways, but Lambert has many ideas to implement their shared footballing template, whereas MON only has one.

Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 01:37:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.

I might be completely wrong about him but Rodgers actually gives that impression too. I think he's a good manager, but Lambert is just right in every way for us.

Rodgers is very self-confident certainly, but never seems to me be in a 'better than thou' kind of way.

Besides, I wholeheartedly disagree with this notion of Lambert's perfection. Norwich played the most direct football in the league last season outside of Stoke and Blackburn (I won't call whatever it was we did 'direct' because that implies a plan). The direction we should be going in is one of nurturing a playing style based on possession, not a return to, as I allude to above, a sophisticated version of MON-ball.


i'd much prefer rodgers. Even given the same turds to polish as Houllier at least most of them will be gone on in a year. Not sure Lambert is better than MON yet, at least as far as motivating players and for all his faults the one thing MON could do was get average players playing ok, althouh i did notice he failed to get above Bruce's finish last year despite his godlike status in mackemville
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 02:12:33 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 16, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 01:41:11 AM
Lambert is just a 2nd rate MON. I'd be gutted if he turned up. even has the same disloyalty gene.

No, MON is a second-rate Lambert. Very similar in some ways, but Lambert has many ideas to implement their shared footballing template, whereas MON only has one.

Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 01:37:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.

I might be completely wrong about him but Rodgers actually gives that impression too. I think he's a good manager, but Lambert is just right in every way for us.

Rodgers is very self-confident certainly, but never seems to me be in a 'better than thou' kind of way.

Besides, I wholeheartedly disagree with this notion of Lambert's perfection. Norwich played the most direct football in the league last season outside of Stoke and Blackburn (I won't call whatever it was we did 'direct' because that implies a plan). The direction we should be going in is one of nurturing a playing style based on possession, not a return to, as I allude to above, a sophisticated version of MON-ball.

I said he's right for us. He's not perfect. I'm guessing then you didn't watch his team competently knock it around up at Arsenal with no fear whatsoever. If you are going to dismiss Lambet for his style of play then you could do the same with Redknapp, who with Crouch up front in 2009/10 played more long balls than we did with Carew.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2012, 02:20:46 AM
Let's not split hairs here, 'right for us in every way' and 'perfect [for us]' may as well be the same thing.

Sure, I saw them pass it well against a team who played up the pitch and gave them more space to do so than other teams. Lambert's solution to packed defences is the same as MON's - get it long and get it wide. It's more nuanced than MON, but the basics are the same, and they wouldn't suit us, I think.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 02:29:29 AM
By right for us, I'm not just talking about his football. I'm also referring to his age, ambition, development, how he would perceive the opportunity, willingness to buy into what we are and where we want to go etc etc. There are other managers, like Rodgers who play better football, but he isn't going to walk into Villa Park today and get our current squad to do it. It will take more time. It would be a lot like Houllier found. Lambert's versatility in that regard would be an asset. He also isn't MON in that he is willing to learn about the game and doesn't have the "I've got it all figured out" attitude.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2012, 02:55:29 AM
If we're talking about using the players we already have, someone like Rodgers is going to be more appropriate than Lambert - I think we've proved long balls to Bent don't work. Players like Bannan and Makoun seem almost like stereotypical Swansea signings, and for Ireland read Sigurdsson (facetious comparisons, I know, but the similarities are greater than with Wes Hoolahan or Simeon Jackson). For me, Rodgers has more balance between teamwork and individual expression, and certainly equals Lambert's appetite for learning about the game. He'd also do more with our brilliant training facilities, and has more experience of coaching at the top level with Chelsea.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 16, 2012, 04:29:16 AM
I'm with Monty on this one...given the current playing squad, Rodgers would be more suitable to get the best results on the pitch. The only problem is the back four who IMO all need replacing with the exception of Collins (Dunne, Warnock and Hutton are liabilities waiting to happen).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:15:24 AM
I'm not convinced, doubtless good coach he is, Rodgers will be all that once removed from the Swansea bubble.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 16, 2012, 05:26:50 AM
I go with Rogers as well. I actually enjoy watching Swansea play more than any other team last season. I also think it would fit many of our players. I can see Ireland & Bannan thriving under him.

It would be nice to have some respect for how we play again as well.  We havent had that for a long long time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2012, 06:16:51 AM
I don't know who's coming in but the last 25 pages of this thread have been more entertaining than Villa's season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 16, 2012, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:15:24 AM
I'm not convinced, doubtless good coach he is, Rodgers will be all that once removed from the Swansea bubble.
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 16, 2012, 05:26:50 AM
I go with Rogers as well. I actually enjoy watching Swansea play more than any other team last season. I also think it would fit many of our players. I can see Ireland & Bannan thriving under him.

It would be nice to have some respect for how we play again as well.  We havent had that for a long long time.
I've said a few times this season that if Swansea had a player like Bent to put the ball in the back of the net then they'd be comfortably in the top half of the league, and with additional quality throughout the team I'm sure they'd have won more away games too.

We have players who are more comfortable with the passing game so if Rodgers can bring in a few additions and get them playing the way Swansea do then it would bring results and be very entertaining. After the last couple of seasons, I think that a top 10 finish whilst playing entertaining attractive football would be very pleasing to most Villa fans.

He also speaks very well during interviews so would be a credit to the club if the board can secure his services.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 06:49:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2012/05/16/analysis-struggling-aston-villa-no-place-for-swansea-city-boss-brendan-rodgers-91466-30975039/?


Don't agree with that

Some of these little clubs don't have half a high opinion of themselves. One season in the Premier League and they're making plans to challenge the Mancs.

Yeah, why would he move from Swansea City to Aston Villa?  I just can't work it out. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 16, 2012, 07:02:29 AM
Is the fishing match still going on?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 16, 2012, 07:13:40 AM
Rodgers would definitely need the support of the ownership of the club to reinvent the side and say to some of the bigger players, 'adapt or move on'. He'd need fans to be much more patient than they have been - both in giving him time to get his ideas across and during games where we'd be passing the ball and seemingly going nowhere (and doubtless there'd be some early games where we really would go nowhere and lose as as a result).

So I do think he's more of a risk than lambert.

But I think we've reached such a nadir that even the grumpy buggers in the trinity might be pleased to see a side playing with some identity and game plan. And I would dearly love villa to be synonymous with good quality passing football, wit and imagination, and to give our kids the chance to develop rather than just learning to fight
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 07:43:37 AM
express & star reporting today that PF has had a telephone conversation with MM ? If this is true, it really does make you wonder if our current malaise is ever going to end? i can't beleive they would be so stupid.  I told people not to panic yesterday about this awful rumour; if it comes to fruition there will be anarchy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 08:00:48 AM
I think McCarthy's appointment could be wrapped up quite quickly, judging by the betting markets.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
Should be done and dusted today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nev on May 16, 2012, 08:11:14 AM
It's hard to imagine just how big a shit storm the capture of Mad Mick would invoke. I'd go as far as to say that if you could pick the one manager that would cause the most oppostion, Mick would be the one.

We would be demonstrating consistency though, another nice man with a really poor PL record.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 16, 2012, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
Should be done and dusted today.
Gulp******* hope your not talking about MM!?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: achilles on May 16, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
I suppose the one good thing is we wouldn't need to pay compensation BUT......................!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dl9 on May 16, 2012, 08:18:00 AM

please please NOT Mc Carthy.  I feel this strongly I'm ready to hit the send button on an email to Faulkner
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 08:20:23 AM
Anyone hear that clip on the radio (WM i think) of Mick being asked about the villa job this morning?

Sounded to me like he was trying not to sound like he'd got it when he actually had
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: enigma on May 16, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
Excerpt from The Guardian

Quote
Mick McCarthy, who is out of work after his sacking by Wolverhampton Wanderers in February, would be a cheaper option but nothing should be read into the rumours that circulated after his odds tumbled in the betting markets

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager)

Maybe we shouldn't panic just yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 08:26:17 AM
Link please? If WM are onto him already, then somebody knows something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 16, 2012, 08:26:53 AM
Former Wolves boss Mick McCarthy today emerged as a shock candidate for the vacant Villa manager’s position after contact with chief executive Paul Faulkner.

The Express & Star can reveal that McCarthy, who is on holiday in Florida at the moment, had a telephone conversation with Faulkner late last night as Villa started to widen their search to replace Alex McLeish, who was sacked by owner Randy Lerner earlier this week.

Bookmakers have slashed the odds on McCarthy replacing McLeish in the Villa Park hot-seat from 25-1 to 11-8 favourite, although the claret and blues have yet to formally interview any potential candidates.

Villa fans have reacted with alarm to speculation linking them with another manager tainted by relegation so soon after McLeish.

But it is understood McCarthy has been admired from within the Villa hierarchy for some time for his ability to recruit young and hungry players on a relatively low budget.

McCarthy has been out of work since he was sacked by Wolves in February after five-and-a-half years at Molineux and has turned down opportunities at Leeds United, Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield Town in a bid to secure a return to a Premier League club.

The 53-year-old would appeal to some of the senior figures in the Villa dressing room including defender Richard Dunne, who was handed his Ireland debut by McCarthy, and goalkeeper Shay Given having worked with both at international level.

Should he land the job McCarthy would also be in a prime position to cherry-pick the best players from Wolves’ squad following their relegation, including winger Matt Jarvis and striker Steven Fletcher.

Other possible job contenders include Norwich’s Paul Lambert and Wigan’s Roberto Martinez.

Faulkner revealed his phone has been “going non-stop”. “I think there’s an awful lot of reasons you would want to come to Villa,” said Faulkner.

“Our stadium is one of the best in the country, we have a fantastic owner who loves the club , the club’s history, the fans are phenomenal – why would you not want to come here?”

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 16, 2012, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: enigma on May 16, 2012, 08:26:02 AM
Excerpt from The Guardian

Quote
Mick McCarthy, who is out of work after his sacking by Wolverhampton Wanderers in February, would be a cheaper option but nothing should be read into the rumours that circulated after his odds tumbled in the betting markets

Think it's best for my health today that I only listen to that extract from the Guardian! Otherwise i will be having a vodka at 9am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/15/randy-lerner-aston-villa-manager)

Maybe we shouldn't panic just yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 16, 2012, 08:29:52 AM
Haha, even the E&S are falling for it. Well done GM.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 08:30:18 AM
McCarthy would be keen to do a job. He wouldn't get relegated without a fight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 16, 2012, 08:33:46 AM
Bushes on VT is reporting that Randy's chopper has picked MM up from Florida and they are on their way to disney land.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 08:30:18 AM
McCarthy would be keen to do a job. He wouldn't get relegated without a fight.
I think you are right.
At least we'd put up a fight to avoid relegation every year unlike this season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2012, 08:38:14 AM
No way to mccarthy, suicide beckons for the board
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
And his coaching staff will be headed by Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 08:45:40 AM
Do Wolves have any, any, decent players that would pop down the M6? No one has to move house. A consideration in these frugal and austere times. Randy has already laid his stall out as regards spending. We can match the wages for sure and probably pay less than they get presently. Going into the Championship involves a hefty reduction in wages and we know players are no longer motivated by emotional attachment to the club, unless you're the likes of Gabby, of course.
Roll on Mickmac and another 2nd hand season of wonderment and thrills.

You know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 16, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
And his coaching staff will be headed by Roy Keane.
Brilliant..
Keane could slip in the side door and appoint Mick as his ..No..sorry. Too much jollity on a very serious theme!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 16, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Mysteryman on VT has stated that there is no truth in MM and we have identified who we want
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 08:48:42 AM
Our board have sought genuine advice from within the game. This time, instead of going straight to the top (Fergie) we've gone closer to home, canvassing the opinions of our neighbours. I've heard they received a glowing report about MM from Wolves and it's only a matter of time before the big man is installed. Expect expensive flops like Bent, Ireland and Zog to be shown the door, and hungry players lke Jarvis, Henry and George Elokobi to bring the vibrancy that Paul Faulkner refers to back to Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 16, 2012, 08:48:51 AM
Deja vu perhaps?  McCarthy is this year's Steve McLaren.  Silly idea that fan reaction prevents from coming to fruition.  Then we get hopes of better options until reality of something even worse with a link to Blues....Steve Bruce!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 16, 2012, 08:49:08 AM
This McCarthy lark is no done deal. They are only talking to people at the minute.

Another in the frame is Curbishley. Interviewed well when they appointed Houllier but they got cold feet at the fans reaction when his name was leaked.

Now we will accept pretty much anyone but McLeish he is high on the list of candidates again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Witton Warrior on May 16, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 16, 2012, 08:33:46 AM
Bushes on VT is reporting that Randy's chopper has picked MM up from Florida and they are on their way to disney land.

More like La-La Land!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Le Lapin on May 16, 2012, 08:51:42 AM
I am scared now. We know that this board are liable to do anything. Please be careful with the joke appointments, the board could pick up on this and land us with Fat Sam, Keane and Big Mick or some other waste of a season manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 08:51:58 AM
I rang my old mate Michael Elphick to see if he could give me a steer on the Curbishley thing, but the bastard won't answer his phone
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2012, 08:52:12 AM
MM also said mcshit wasn't coming
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
They won't hire McCarthy it'd be utter suicide and completely alienate the fanbase further. Another manager who had led his side towards relegation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 16, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Mysteryman on VT has stated that there is no truth in MM and we have identified who we want


oh dear,   i am getting worried now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 16, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
At least we have the Mc(insert insult) comments down to a fine art ready for the season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Right Faulkner go and get Lambert or Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 09:02:16 AM
on a brighter note, Suzzana Reid looking drop dead on BBC Breakfast
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyellis on May 16, 2012, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2012, 08:52:12 AM
MM also said mcshit wasn't coming
He was also quick to inform us when he realised he was wrong. Generally MM is spot on and on this occasion I would put my house on hime being correct.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frank black on May 16, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
Pulis ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2012, 09:04:46 AM
I think we all need to calm down and take a deep breath. Internet gossip is on overdrive and some are getting excited, for the wrong reasons.

PS the fat one from Wilson Phillips has just been seen at BH...I swear to God.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2012, 09:05:08 AM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 09:02:16 AM
on a brighter note, Suzzana Reid looking drop dead on BBC Breakfast
As always
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Anyone writing off McCarthy needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We were nailed-on for relegation last season until we got enough points to stay up. McCarthy has never got anyone relegated, as far as I'm aware.

Deal with it. End of.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 16, 2012, 09:07:01 AM
The joke's wearing thin. Deal with it. End of.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyellis on May 16, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Anyone writing off McCarthy needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We were nailed-on for relegation last season until we got enough points to stay up. McCarthy has never got anyone relegated, as far as I'm aware.

Deal with it. End of.
No chance
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:07:49 AM
Quote from: garyellis on May 16, 2012, 09:07:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Anyone writing off McCarthy needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We were nailed-on for relegation last season until we got enough points to stay up. McCarthy has never got anyone relegated, as far as I'm aware.

Deal with it. End of.
No chance

I think Damon might be speaking tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Anyone writing off McCarthy needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We were nailed-on for relegation last season until we got enough points to stay up. McCarthy has never got anyone relegated, as far as I'm aware.

Deal with it. End of.
I think you are right.
Infact, had they not sacked him because they were heading for relegation, Wolves may not have actually been relegated.
It makes more and more sense when you think about it.
The guy is a shoe in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 09:11:46 AM
Mick McCarthy can't happen. The board have obviously realised from their statement on McLeish's sacking that they've made some massive mistakes over the past couple of years. Would they undo the good they've recently done by appointing another recently sacked, local rivals manager, who wouldn't please the fans?

Surely Lerner and Faulkner have realised that no-one, whether it be a manager, chairman or a player at cannot afford to lose the fans? appointing Mick McCarthy would do just that.

They can't be that blind again? can they?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 09:11:46 AM
I just hope they get somebody who isn't MM, Steve Bruce or Fat Sam in asap so we can rest easy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
No chance McCarthy is coming to us
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
I think Allardyce has made it clear he won't talk to us until the playoff final is out of the way. That's when things could get interesting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 09:13:39 AM
Mcarthy on bet fair is 19/1 best odds,

 thats people actually putting proper money up, you cant lay Mcarthy at 2/1 or we could get rich pretty quick
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 09:14:24 AM
I think we need to trust and believe in Paul Falkner's vision for the club and, like, no compensation payments. It's Mick.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
No chance of Allardyce either

Who is the next joke suggestion? Kevin Keegan? Ugo Ehiogu? Mark Lawrenson?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 16, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
@TimothyAbraham: As I said yesterday... I personally don't think Mick McCarthy is the right man for #AVFC and unlikely to get the job. Contact made though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:17:30 AM
McHexagonhead out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SteveN on May 16, 2012, 09:18:09 AM
I keep seeing Gary Megson coming through on the rails, if for no other reason that we will all gladly welcome whoever else gets his nose in front on the line.

I'm following this line of thinking in order to be delighted if we get someone even half decent, which excludes McCarthy, Bruce etc.  I'm a glass half empty man at times like these.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 16, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
@TimothyAbraham: As I said yesterday... I personally don't think Mick McCarthy is the right man for #AVFC and unlikely to get the job. Contact made though.

Frightening to even think he might be on the list if this is indeed true. Has nothing changed, have they learned nothing?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 09:19:13 AM
hehe, you almost wish he did arrive just to see the reaction of those on this thread taking the piss
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:18:38 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 16, 2012, 09:15:25 AM
@TimothyAbraham: As I said yesterday... I personally don't think Mick McCarthy is the right man for #AVFC and unlikely to get the job. Contact made though.

Frightening to even think he might be on the list if this is indeed true. Has nothing changed, have they learned nothing?

Maybe he was contacted to get a view on other prospective options. If he's seen as an experienced head they maybe asked  him advice, contact doesn't have to be job related. It'll be Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers, a young and 'vibrant' manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 09:19:13 AM
hehe, you almost wish he did arrive just to see the reaction of those on this thread taking the piss

Not really.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
Bolton Chairman, Phil Gartside, has 'reluctantly agreed' to let Aston Villa approach Owen Coyle. Rumours were rife last night that Coyle would spearhead a new Villa management team with Sam Allardyce likely to come in as Director of Football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2012, 09:24:10 AM
The whole MM thing is to soften us up for somebody slightly less shit like Bruce.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
This is like being stuck in a lift with Peter Kay, Jasper Carrot and Roy 'Chubby' Brown.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
Bolton Chairman, Phil Gartside, has 'reluctantly agreed' to let Aston Villa approach Owen Coyle. Rumours were rife last night that Coyle would spearhead a new Villa management team with Sam Allardyce likely to come in as Director of Football.

And Reo-Coker on the understanding that he is made captain and can play centre forward. I have also heard rumours Frank Worthington might be brought in to jazz up things at the Holte Pub too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:26:01 AM
I think we need to calm down a bit, it's not going to be McCarthy, Bruce, Allardyce or the like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 09:26:20 AM
you sure faulkner knows what vibrant means Paul? Strikes me as  a complete dimwit that guy. Out of his depth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2012, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
This is like being stuck in a lift with Peter Kay, Jasper Carrot and Roy 'Chubby' Brown.
After they had all had a night on the beer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2012, 09:28:03 AM
McCarthy will relegate us. He's not as bad as McLeish, and at least will try to attack more, but his style of play is just as ugly. He's just not the choice who can undo the damage done and change the team round. Fact is he'd do more damage. I actually think in fairness, that had McCarthy stayed on at Wolves they'd have turned the corner. He tends to have a late season flourish, so they dropped a bollock in that respect. Whether he would have done enough to keep them up I'm not sure. Possibly. I actually like Mick, he always seems an honest, decent bloke, but he's not a very successful top flight manager. He's good at getting promotions, but has a track record or relegations too.
He's championship standard.

If Randy drops another bollock it'll cost him. Fans will fuck off in droves. We'll get spanked this time next year by relegation costs, and he'll have to sell up in order to stop us falling into financial oblivion. I don't want that, because it means we're reliant on someone bailing us out. If they do, fuck knows who it'll be and what sort of messes they might make. Randy's done a lot of shite the last two years, but think of all the Venky's and Hicks's out there. For every bored super rich Sheikh, there's one of those guys.

We need someone young, fresh and pro-active. Someone who will deliver attacking football and be ambitious no matter our transfer budget.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
spot on. i wonder what this is doing to people thinking of renewing season tickets? At the moment I refuse to believe that PF/RL could be such fuckwits but with us you never know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 09:37:47 AM
We are being linked with some very underwhelming names!

If Randy is on a budget re the Manger / Management...

I would much rather have a DOF in Cowans and Head Coach in MacDonald

and get new management into the youth set up...

PS Dave Whelan is a total tw@t... does he need reminding that villa have finised 6th 3 times in last 5 years, once in top half and had 1 awful season, we also are big enough to buy there best player and half our attendance is still bigger than wigan's! he has really wound me up today! ha

I think Martnez is out cos randy will not want to deal with that prat again!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nev on May 16, 2012, 09:38:30 AM
I know one bloke who will be chuffed if we get MM. That ice cream man will double his sales again if he pitches up on Witton Lane during the expected protests as he did last year.

Screwball?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 09:40:32 AM
simon grayson is on talksport... he was being linked to us a few years ago!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
Bolton Chairman, Phil Gartside, has 'reluctantly agreed' to let Aston Villa approach Owen Coyle. Rumours were rife last night that Coyle would spearhead a new Villa management team with Sam Allardyce likely to come in as Director of Football.

And Reo-Coker on the understanding that he is made captain and can play centre forward. I have also heard rumours Frank Worthington might be brought in to jazz up things at the Holte Pub too.
Joking aside, I think Reo-Coker will be part of the package. Also Kevin Davies, as reported earlier.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
i'm trying to think of some vibrant managers. Not the first term that springs to mind normally when you're describing them. Is lambert vibrant?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 09:23:03 AM
Bolton Chairman, Phil Gartside, has 'reluctantly agreed' to let Aston Villa approach Owen Coyle. Rumours were rife last night that Coyle would spearhead a new Villa management team with Sam Allardyce likely to come in as Director of Football.

And Reo-Coker on the understanding that he is made captain and can play centre forward. I have also heard rumours Frank Worthington might be brought in to jazz up things at the Holte Pub too.
Joking aside, I think Reo-Coker will be part of the package. Also Kevin Davies, as reported earlier.

Unfortunately thanks to your last 9 months of posting, this isn't really working.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 16, 2012, 09:53:30 AM
Lerner has arrived this morning by all accounts
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 09:54:48 AM

Lerner has been seen at WHSmith in Birmingham airport leafing through a book of Yorkshire slang.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
All the Mccarthy stuff is coming from Mick's agent, just like a player getting interest drummed up, being linked to a job like Villa is good for his profile. No way it will happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 10:01:37 AM
I think you might be right there Karl.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
All the Mccarthy stuff is coming from Mick's agent...

Not ALL of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
Mick's agent contacted Villa. That's all it is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:03:47 AM
talking to a bookie last night and he didn't put too much credance in the MM rumours. Mind you, he works for BetFred and they pay out even when punters get it wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
All the Mccarthy stuff is coming from Mick's agent, just like a player getting interest drummed up, being linked to a job like Villa is good for his profile. No way it will happen.

he's 2/1 at the bookies, thats no joke

i dont think we are interested in him, but there is more to it than just his agent, and we have had some contact with him according to some journo's.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:04:09 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
All the Mccarthy stuff is coming from Mick's agent...

Not ALL of it.

I'm sure it is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
The Guardian normally has a decent steer on things, and they reckon there's no chance of McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 16, 2012, 10:05:05 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
Mick's agent contacted Villa. That's all it is.

Actually he contacted the ticket office.
He's buying a season ticket as he heard we were getting a vibrant new manager and wants to see some decent football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 16, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
The Guardian normally has a decent steer on things, and they reckon there's no chance of McCarthy.

Trouble is i bet they thought there was no chance of Mcleish either. anything is possible with this board.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 10:08:43 AM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 09:25:15 AM
This is like being stuck in a lift with Peter Kay, Jasper Carrot and Roy 'Chubby' Brown.
A fart in a lift is wrong on so many levels!

Preferable to what we face here though!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2012, 09:28:03 AM

We need someone young, fresh and pro-active. Someone who will deliver attacking football and be ambitious no matter our transfer budget.
Walter Smith?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 16, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Ah, I'd forgotten this feeling. The excited anticipation of a new manager coming in, gradually wearing off as a succession of unsuitable candidates are discussed...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 16, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Ah, I'd forgotten this feeling. The excited anticipation of a new manager coming in, gradually wearing off as a succession of unsuitable candidates are discussed...
...and all those who threatened never to go again while McLeish was there suddenly finding another excuse.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 16, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Ah, I'd forgotten this feeling. The excited anticipation of a new manager coming in, gradually wearing off as a succession of unsuitable candidates are discussed...
Bloody hell mate your memory must be poor ! :-)
We've been through it enough times in a few years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dl9 on May 16, 2012, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 16, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Ah, I'd forgotten this feeling. The excited anticipation of a new manager coming in, gradually wearing off as a succession of unsuitable candidates are discussed...

Post of the week. How unnervingly accurate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: QBVILLA on May 16, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 09:59:56 AM
All the Mccarthy stuff is coming from Mick's agent, just like a player getting interest drummed up, being linked to a job like Villa is good for his profile. No way it will happen.

he's 2/1 at the bookies, thats no joke

i dont think we are interested in him, but there is more to it than just his agent, and we have had some contact with him according to some journo's.

After what happened last year i'm saying absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 16, 2012, 10:20:05 AM
Just saw Joe Kinnear getting off the number 7 bus...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
MM    Mick Mcarthy     Mystery Man  . Im getting bloody confused
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ROBBO on May 16, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
Behave you lot, it would be financial disaster for Lerner to get this appointment wrong, tell MMs agent he must be dreaming.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
From what Faulkner has said, there is no way McCarthy will get the Villa job and I am positive he won't get it.

So why is it then I keep fearing the worst?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jarpie on May 16, 2012, 10:24:04 AM
Why would Big Sam be poor choice? does he still use long ball tactics?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:24:38 AM
The fact they hired Mcleish and saw what happened over the last year means that there is no way they will repeat the mistake. The only benefit of the Mcleish appointment is that it means we won't be getting McCarthy, Bruce or the like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 16, 2012, 10:10:04 AM
Ah, I'd forgotten this feeling. The excited anticipation of a new manager coming in, gradually wearing off as a succession of unsuitable candidates are discussed...
...and all those who threatened never to go again while McLeish was there suddenly finding another excuse.

At least you'll be there, Number One Superfan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:25:31 AM
Well hearing PF last night on the radio , talkng about getting the fans exciting again with the next manager.   

No way can it be Mcarthy ,  unless PF has shares with the Samaritans
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:26:27 AM
Something very predictable about this thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
thats the worrying thing about the MM odds. Who in their right mind would put their own money on him? as a betting choice its up there with Elvis being appointed. Trouble is thats just our opinion, the board could be using the same winning criteria for a manager as last year
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 16, 2012, 10:30:46 AM
It's a vicious circle, surely? The more speculation on here (and elsewhere) about McCarthy; the more people think there might be something in it; the more bets are laid; the lower the odds; the more people speculate; the more people think there might be something in it...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:26:27 AM
Something very predictable about this thread.

That you're on the wind up again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:35:39 AM
well the press aren't helping thats for sure. the fact they all claim we've made contact but he's an outsider reeks of them covering their backs when he's not appointed
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
I was all in favour of Lambert and also thought he would be the board's choice as well, but thinking about it again I'm not so sure.

They made a mistake with the Scottish Manager, of that their is no doubt and they've pretty much admitted as much.  K-Mac and Sid are in their plans, who both like to play football a certain way, as did Houllier. 

Lambert is less that style and more similar to MON where the result is all important.  He isn't long ball as some would have you believe, but likes to vary tactics as necessary.  I like that about him myself, but if the idea is to go back to what we were trying to do with Houllier and utilize the K-Mac and Sid, then Rodgers or martinez make more sense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
McCarthy rumours are crap ,

 I have it from a very good source from the club that it is going to be Michael Jackson with Bubbles as his left hand man and elizabeth Taylor has the fitness coach with the chief scout being Macaulay Culkin . club doctor will be Whitney Houston.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 16, 2012, 10:38:37 AM
I appreciate many of the posts on here are tongue in cheek, or a wind up, but please stop. After the events of 11 months ago I don't think my nerves can take it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: big ronsjeweller on May 16, 2012, 10:39:36 AM
To join in with all the excitement..
BFR 150-1 with Paddy Power

now that would be fun!!!  no TV distractions this time round either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
I'm going to put £50 on Mick getting the job, so if some disaster happens and he does get the job I'll be a little bit happy :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:40:01 AM
I'm going to put £50 on Mick getting the job, so if some disaster happens and he does get the job I'll be a little bit happy :)

I wouldn't waste £50 mate, it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
I was all in favour of Lambert and also thought he would be the board's choice as well, but thinking about it again I'm not so sure.

They made a mistake with the Scottish Manager, of that their is no doubt and they've pretty much admitted as much.  K-Mac and Sid are in their plans, who both like to play football a certain way, as did Houllier. 

Lambert is less that style and more similar to MON where the result is all important.  He isn't long ball as some would have you believe, but likes to vary tactics as necessary.  I like that about him myself, but if the idea is to go back to what we were trying to do with Houllier and utilize the K-Mac and Sid, then Rodgers or martinez make more sense.

It would be nice to have a manager who has a plan B and Plan C thou , unlike MON and McLeish
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:43:55 AM
I'm sure McCarthy would walk to Villa Park for the job, but that means nothing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on May 16, 2012, 10:44:02 AM
There's a group of British/Irish managers who aren't bad at getting teams promoted, but have proved time and again they are out of their depth and can't cut it in the PL, mainly because their approach is old school and tactically prehistoric.  I'd say that group includes McLeish, Warnock, possibly Coyle and definitely McCarthy.  If RL is even considering anyone from that group, then he's heading in the wrong direction again.   I'd also like to think we would avoid anyone from the group of managers that would include  likes of O'Neill, Bruce and Allardyce, who are similarly old school, but manage to make their "pragmatic" football work in the PL, to an extent at least.  I'd like to think that MM's relegations with Sunderland and Wolves would automatically rule him out, but RL has a bit of history in that respect, so you never know.   Please just find someone who knows about tactics, pass and move, possession, creativity and organisation, and can get the players to go with him. Surely they aren't that rare?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:45:09 AM
why do people vote on Laudrup to be baggies manager and hes not mentioned in Villas odds ,and MM is 33/1 with baggies.
all these managers in the odds are bollocks , Im sure If I had a tenner on Laurel and HArdy they would go to 4/1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 16, 2012, 10:45:29 AM
I know we've got to 205 pages but we seem to have skirted the issue; who DO you want as new manager?

I'd like Jurgen Klinsmann. I don't know what it would cost to prise him from the US but I really can't get too excited about anyone else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?
Capello has spoken to  Bent.
Do I win a prize ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?

Paul Merson     ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:48:01 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?

Coyle. Loads of the bolton lads still in brum and socialising with our players so Dunne
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 16, 2012, 10:52:35 AM
Gus Hiddink has a get out clause in his contract, spend whatever it takes, and tell him to appoint a No2 who can succeed him. If they really want to get the fans back on side he's the man
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:52:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?

Paul Merson     ;)

I would have him back as Player-Manager just to take corners.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:53:01 AM
made me laugh in the paper when it said Mcarthy would be great with the present players like Dunne.

AAARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
I think it's Chris Hughton and he's spoken to Shay Given.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:53:45 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
One of the candidates has said that he would walk to Villa Park for the job and has already been in touch with one of our players. Guess which one and who he has spoken to?
Capello has spoken to  Bent.
That is quite possible.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
I think it's Chris Hughton and he's spoken to Shay Given.
In the Conservatory with a piece of rope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 16, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 16, 2012, 10:45:29 AM
I know we've got to 205 pages but we seem to have skirted the issue; who DO you want as new manager?

I'd like Jurgen Klinsmann. I don't know what it would cost to prise him from the US but I really can't get too excited about anyone else.

I had a real gut feeling we'd get Klinsmann just before Houllier was appointed (even stuck a tenner on it). Would've been more than happy with him, and still would.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheEgo on May 16, 2012, 10:54:50 AM
Curbishley to Bent?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 16, 2012, 10:45:29 AM
I know we've got to 205 pages but we seem to have skirted the issue; who DO you want as new manager?

I'd like Jurgen Klinsmann. I don't know what it would cost to prise him from the US but I really can't get too excited about anyone else.


For me one of Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers, Low, AVB or Benitez. I'd be happy with any of those.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 10:59:51 AM
The likes of Gus Hiddink would be excellent.

How I'd sell it to him is you manage us for 3 years and have a free hand to change and evolve the training/youth/scouting as you see fit.  Then you can move into a DOF role and pick your successor.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ajmant on May 16, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I like that list PaulWinch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 11:00:16 AM
Jeez..and what about war in the middle east? Football is the ultimate distraction a la Bill Shankly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2012, 11:00:55 AM
Are these short odds on McCarthy just a piss take from the bookies? I mean the appointment of McLeish was just so ridiculous, they've probably just decided as a wind up to put McCarthy in the list. After all he's just relagated (or half relegated) one of our local rivals, has a history of relegation and turgid football. They probably think Randy's capable of making the same balls up again, or they're just taking the michael.

I would fucking pray and hope that the short odds have nothing to do with any ITK info. If there's any basis in fact then I'm bloody worried.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Le Lapin on May 16, 2012, 11:01:48 AM
Christ, my buttocks are starting to clench together again and will remain be-clenched until we rule Fat Sam, Curbs, Mick McC and Chris Hughton out. These are not what we need. It's going to be a roller coaster like last summer...a build up to the last person you'd think would end up as manager....please don't let it happen again. The board can't take another gamble....they have spent a fortune on paying off managers that haven't worked out for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CheeriOneill on May 16, 2012, 11:01:57 AM
Pulis, but no need to walk as Pennant has offered to give him a lift?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 16, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I like that list PaulWinch.

Except for Benitez
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2012, 11:04:12 AM
I know its a very small betting market but people are putting money on MM.   That is a worry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
Lambert, Rodgers, Coyle, Allardyce.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2012, 11:00:55 AM
Are these short odds on McCarthy just a piss take from the bookies? I mean the appointment of McLeish was just so ridiculous, they've probably just decided as a wind up to put McCarthy in the list. After all he's just relagated (or half relegated) one of our local rivals, has a history of relegation and turgid football. They probably think Randy's capable of making the same balls up again, or they're just taking the michael.

I would fucking pray and hope that the short odds have nothing to do with any ITK info. If there's any basis in fact then I'm bloody worried.


well some of the press are claiming we've made contact. I hope by contact they mean "do you know Rodgers phone number mick?"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 16, 2012, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:05:54 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 16, 2012, 11:00:55 AM
Are these short odds on McCarthy just a piss take from the bookies? I mean the appointment of McLeish was just so ridiculous, they've probably just decided as a wind up to put McCarthy in the list. After all he's just relagated (or half relegated) one of our local rivals, has a history of relegation and turgid football. They probably think Randy's capable of making the same balls up again, or they're just taking the michael.

I would fucking pray and hope that the short odds have nothing to do with any ITK info. If there's any basis in fact then I'm bloody worried.


well some of the press are claiming we've made contact. I hope by contact they mean "do you know Rodgers phone number mick?"
Or better yet, "Don't bother handing your CV in Mick. Better off trying the Hawthorns mate."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
If it is to be a quick appointment, as has been mooted by PF, then surely it HAS to be someone out of work at the moment ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: *shellac* on May 16, 2012, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
Lambert, Rodgers, Coyle, Allardyce.
They were great at Reading 73.  Especially the latter with his flute.  You don't find good prog band like them anymore.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 16, 2012, 11:13:39 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
If it is to be a quick appointment, as has been mooted by PF, then surely it HAS to be someone out of work at the moment ?


Then it has to be either Van Gaal or Guadiola - Brum is twinned with both Barca and Munich and both men were managers in the aforementioned cities.... The clues are there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 16, 2012, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 16, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I like that list PaulWinch.

Except for Benitez

Are you seriously saying you would prefer Lambert, Martinez or Rodgers (who between them have won nothing and managed small clubs) to a man who has won 2 league titles and a UEFA cup with Valencia, the champions league and FA Cup with Liverpool and managed Inter ?

I know its all down to personal opinion but I don't get what all the fuss is about regarding Martinez and Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 16, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
I think it's Chris Hughton and he's spoken to Shay Given.
In the Conservatory with a piece of rope.

Gary Speed?

(Oops. Sorry. Couldn't resist.)  :-[
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
If it is to be a quick appointment, as has been mooted by PF, then surely it HAS to be someone out of work at the moment ?

They have got until a week on Friday when Lerner flies back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 11:17:29 AM
Here is today's chart news pop pickers. McCarthy drops one to number three and coming into the top ten are Grayson at four and Cowans at number eight. Meanwhile Lambert and Martinez battle it out to be number one when it really matters in a Band Aid 'Do they know it's Christmas' and Wham 'Last Christmas' kind of way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on May 16, 2012, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:02:16 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 16, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I like that list PaulWinch.

Except for Benitez

Are you seriously saying you would prefer Lambert, Martinez or Rodgers (who between them have won nothing and managed small clubs) to a man who has won 2 league titles and a UEFA cup with Valencia, the champions league and FA Cup with Liverpool and managed Inter ?

I know its all down to personal opinion but I don't get what all the fuss is about regarding Martinez and Rodgers.

Just never enjoyed the way Benitez sides play their football.  For me Liverpool were a real snooze team when he managed them.  Maybe compared to our previous encumbent I would reasses my thoughts but there you are.

I would also be worried by the potential for another Liverpool love in twice a season, and am mindful of the way Benitez has been out of work for so long (why have no other teams touched him?).

And I haven't forgiven him for the Gareth Barry saga.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 11:21:35 AM
small market or not there's no smoke without fire. These fuckwits are capable of anything but i can't see them paying out compo for another manager so someone out of work would appear likely but FFS mad Mick? It's suicide on every level. in fact, its beyond suicide.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
If it is to be a quick appointment, as has been mooted by PF, then surely it HAS to be someone out of work at the moment ?

They have got until a week on Friday when Lerner flies back.

I don't see why it has to be somebody out of work.  Once they'd decided on McLeish (shudder) last year, they didn' waste much time in getting him in to be fair.  Also once the targets are identified, Lerner doesn't really need to be here necessarily.  And even if he does, privae jet travel means he can be back in the UK pretty sharpish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jarpie on May 16, 2012, 11:23:55 AM
I don't think there's any possiblity of our new manager being Joachim Low or Klinsmann since they both are managing national teams...has there ever been manager who's been in charge of national team and club at the same time?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dr Butler on May 16, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 11:17:29 AM
Here is today's chart news pop pickers. McCarthy drops one to number three and coming into the top ten are Grayson at four and Cowans at number eight. Meanwhile Lambert and Martinez battle it out to be number one when it really matters in a Band Aid 'Do they know it's Christmas' and Wham 'Last Christmas' kind of way.

I can here the music that accompanies this.....da da da daadaa...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 16, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 11:15:07 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 11:11:25 AM
If it is to be a quick appointment, as has been mooted by PF, then surely it HAS to be someone out of work at the moment ?

They have got until a week on Friday when Lerner flies back.

I don't see why it has to be somebody out of work.  Once they'd decided on McLeish (shudder) last year, they didn' waste much time in getting him in to be fair.  Also once the targets are identified, Lerner doesn't really need to be here necessarily.  And even if he does, privae jet travel means he can be back in the UK pretty sharpish.

Not to mention that the writing has been on the wall for a while with McLeish so the board would have had the opportunity to sound out agents etc to see whether their client would be interested.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
I can't help wondering what people would think if this time next week Roberto Di Matteo was both a Champions League winning manager and also an out of work manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 11:28:43 AM
Benitez is a non runner. Doesn't think it's the right job for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 11:28:43 AM
Benitez is a non runner. Doesn't think it's the right job for him.

Of course he is a "non runner" I could have told you that just by looking at him!! *munch munch
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 16, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
I can't believe they'd appoint McCarthy after talking about vibrancy.

I'd imagine he's just being interviewed, it helps to cast the net as far and wide as possible. He's a good bloke and he could offer some insight into how he'd approach it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
I can't help wondering what people would think if this time next week Roberto Di Matteo was both a Champions League winning manager and also an out of work manager.

Very nice symmetry.  Last year we hired the man who relegated Blues, this year we hired them man who took the Blues to European Championship glory.  30 years ago we won the European Cup beating Bayern Munich.  This year we hired the manager of the team who had just beaten Bayern Munich in the European Cup final.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.

Yup I wonder if Bent and Carroll will make it! ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 11:37:12 AM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 16, 2012, 11:35:20 AM
I can't believe they'd appoint McCarthy after talking about vibrancy.

I'd imagine he's just being interviewed, it helps to cast the net as far and wide as possible. He's a good bloke and he could offer some insight into how he'd approach it.

He's not going to be interviewed, not a chance. If they contacted him like I said, it was probably to ask his opinion of one of our candidates because he's been around football for a long while.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.

Where from?!  Look I've got my season ticket renewal form next to me here, don't tense me up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 11:39:43 AM
Put it like this, if I was going to appoint Mick McCarthy I would schedule the press conference to coincide with the new England manager's Euro 2012 squad announcement press conference at 2pm today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.

Where from?!  Look I've got my season ticket renewal form next to me here, don't tense me up.

I think he was joking about the England one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
Anybody who honestly hand on heart believes that we will be appointing Mick McCarthy, Sam Allardyce, Gordon Strachan, Steve Bruce, Howard Wilkinson, Paul Jewell, Phil Brown etc etc etc etc, is off their rocker. Seriously you've all been sniffing glue. I know, someone is going come back with " well we appointed McLeish....", yes we did, but not on the back of such a series of statements from Randy and Faulkner. This year is very different. It's like the light has finally come on. I'm not saying it will be AVB, but it will be someone who meets the "young, hungry and ambitious" criteria.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:40:54 AM
For those who know about these things, No.1 trending on Yahoo is "Mick McCarthy". FFS, he's gone global..........

*throws rope over beam*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 11:28:43 AM
Benitez is a non runner. Doesn't think it's the right job for him.

I know the question is who would you like but can we be a bit pragmatic. I'd like to see Wenger but it ain't gonna happen.

Firstly Benitez is not going to come because he is not going to be given 100m war chest and a 3m salary. Also I wouldn't want him - style of football is effective but dull.

AVB is not coming because like it or not he will get a much better current offer - likely Roma.

Hiddinck is not coming - ludicrous proposition for a person who could get just about any job in the world

Guardiola/Mourinho are not coming either - see Hiddinck.

Klinsmann is in work where he lives (US).
Bilic is going to Moscow to work
Low - I doubt he would want to make a decision prior to Euro 2012 and I'm sure one of the big German jobs will be available over the next 6 months.

Realisitcally the best we will get is a promising UK based manager with a perceived or real progressive mindset and hence the banding about of Rogers, Lambert and Martinez. Remember this Villa is a great job but very difficult (it has never been easy and nor should it be). Howver each and every one of those 3 would be putting their reputations on the line if they took the job.

It is a manager's graveyard - it has been a long time since anyone left Villa and got a better job - Dr Jo, BFR, Little, Gregory, O'Leary done nothing of note. Oo Eck will join that list as well, remains to be seen what happens to MON.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
For me there are 3 tiers...

(Really want - Cant see it) AVB or Klinsman

(Realistic - Optimistic) Martinez or Benitez

(Realistic - risk) Rogers or KMac & Cowans

Dont want to see: Lambert, Curbishly, McCarthy, Hoddle, Hughton, McLaren, bruce, hughes etc!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 16, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:40:54 AM
For those who know about these things, No.1 trending on Yahoo is "Mick McCarthy". FFS, he's gone global..........

*throws rope over beam*

*passes chair*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 16, 2012, 11:47:08 AM
You’ve missed Van Gaal.  He’s currently out of work.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 11:50:10 AM
AVB has apparently been offered Fiorentina.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 16, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 16, 2012, 11:50:10 AM
AVB has apparently been offered Fiorentina.

Football Weekly were saying he was nailed on for the Roma job a week or two ago.
I’d say that there’s not much between Fiorentina and us (from an outsider’s perspective), so it’s a shame we never made a move.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MalcolmP on May 16, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anybody? Young, up and coming manager and will have good contacts with Fergie so that we can loan
Young, Chicharito  and Rooney for a couple of seasons while he gets us established  :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 11:57:46 AM
Klinsman could trade Huntington beach California for Aston I am sure!

If his American former Model wife wants to go to the beach, they could get a static caravan in Porthmadog!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
For me there are 3 tiers...

(Really want - Cant see it) AVB or Klinsman

(Realistic - Optimistic) Martinez or Benitez

(Realistic - risk) Rogers or KMac & Cowans

Dont want to see: Lambert, Curbishly, McCarthy, Hoddle, Hughton, McLaren, bruce, hughes etc!

Conveniently leaving out Mcarthy and Allardyce I see.  *suspicious glare*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
hahah i got mccarthy but your right missed allardyce!

basically the usual suspects!

We should of put houiller in DOF position and given it to Gary McCalister last year!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
if its mick oranyone of that ilk what would people's genuine reaction be? I would be very, very pissed off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 16, 2012, 12:11:36 PM
I actually think I woudl be done, went to a few games under houllier and enjoyed myself even though its wasnt the best of teams (Watched us struggle against blackpool reservces for example)

This year I jsut didnt bother, once McLiesh was sacked I was getting back in the zone to watch us, but if McCarthy / Curbishly etc do get the role then I think i will be done until it feels like we have our club back!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 12:20:20 PM
I just hope the McCarthy thing is bollocks. Not because i truefully think he'd get the job(no-one is that stupid are they?), but the fact it shows the lunatics who chose AM last season are still fully in control of the asylum. If they'd talk to him then someone like Allardyce must be in the running. Faulkner shouldn't even be there. He oversaw the whole McCleish debacle and didn't cover himself in glory under Houllier. If he had any honour he would have fallen on his sword when McCleish got the push.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Newquay_AVFC on May 16, 2012, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: MalcolmP on May 16, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anybody? Young, up and coming manager and will have good contacts with Fergie so that we can loan
Young, Chicharito  and Rooney for a couple of seasons while he gets us established  :)

Yep, not to sure about how he is doing at the moment but i have a feeling he will become a very good manager in time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 12:30:02 PM
Solkjaer would be left field, but fit the young vibrant and long term vision.

Something about Lambert, the more I read on him makes me a bit reluctant, but we will see.

This whole thing will mean I am able to notice those on twitter that think they are in the know and are not by the time it is finished. AVFCMysteryman on there says Lambert. The FootballMole is saying Martinez and Lambert have both said no. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 12:33:59 PM
Just had a text from my mate, Geordie Michael. He says Paul Lambert is having lunch at The Linton Travel Tavern near Norwich.

He's with some bloke with a dodgy haircut, wearing a smart looking blazer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: willywombat on May 16, 2012, 12:37:47 PM
Expect to see him in the  next Norfolk Broads tourism video then :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 16, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
Is he eating from a big plate, and spooning mustard into his mouth?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 12:41:07 PM
Cock Piss Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.

Where from?!  Look I've got my season ticket renewal form next to me here, don't tense me up.
If there's a press conference today (assuming it's giving us our new manager) it won't be Lambert, Rogers, Martinez or Di Matteo. :-\
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 12:47:49 PM
I love Colman's English mustard, nothing to beat it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 16, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:37:47 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 16, 2012, 11:32:39 AM

Rumours of a press conference today at 2pm.

Where from?!  Look I've got my season ticket renewal form next to me here, don't tense me up.
If there's a press conference today (assuming it's giving us our new manager) it won't be Lambert, Rogers, Martinez or Di Matteo. :-\

It's at 1pm and it's the England Squad announcement. Lots of winding up going on here Nigel!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
Quote from: willywombat on May 16, 2012, 12:37:47 PM
Expect to see him in the  next Norfolk Broads tourism video then :)

Hope he's not eating tongue. Who eats tongue for goodness sake?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I believe today's special is the Cup of Beans.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2012, 12:51:55 PM
I reckon Lambert's sitting there with a chalk penis drawn on his back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I believe today's special is the Cup of Beans.

I've never had a cup of beans.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
I once exchanged a cow for one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I believe today's special is the Cup of Beans.

I've never had a cup of beans.

I believe in America that's equal to about 220 grams.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 16, 2012, 01:06:14 PM
A savioury 99.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 01:11:49 PM
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: willywombat on May 16, 2012, 01:13:33 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I believe today's special is the Cup of Beans.

I've never had a cup of beans.

You've never lived!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 01:20:00 PM
I knew it was a Partridge reference. Haven't seen that scene for years though!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
'Villa go for Swift appointment'..can't find him anywhere on oddschecker??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
OK, season ticket renewal application in the post.  Whoever they appoint, I'm committed.  And if they appoint McCarthy or Allardyce, I think I will be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 16, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
'Villa go for Swift appointment'..can't find him anywhere on oddschecker??

They mean Swifts. Old nickname of Walsall. That's Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
OK, season ticket renewal application in the post.  Whoever they appoint, I'm committed.  And if they appoint McCarthy or Allardyce, I think I will be.

If they appoint either of those two, they should be bloody committed!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Any news?...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 16, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
Faulkner in US
Lerner in UK
Joined up ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 16, 2012, 03:11:10 PM
WTF is going on?  all this speculation and being linked to shite is ruining me!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 16, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 16, 2012, 03:11:10 PM
WTF is going on?  all this speculation and being linked to shite is ruining me!!!!
Chill out! AM was sacked 48hrs ago...I hope the board take more than just a few days to make the right decision on this next appointment.

Also can ppl please stop slagging Randy or PF for betting odds and media links. How can you they be blamed for that or how can you call them idiots based on reports of a phone call to ppl like MM when we dont even know who contacted who or what may or may not have been discussed?

Let them get on with their job and give them the benefit of the doubt...regardless of the ultimate fuck up of appointing AM last season!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
Lambert's odd have crashed this afternoon. Now favourite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 16, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
Also can ppl please stop slagging Randy or PF for betting odds and media links.

What infuriates me is the way Randy and PF are presiding over these betting odds and media links!  The sheer irresponsibility!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 03:28:33 PM
Mcarthy is now 7/1 at Skybet,

 Lambert the clear favourite
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve kirk on May 16, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
I must admit to going into meltdown earlier regarding MM but have got a grip now and feel fairly sure a sensible appointment will be made, Lambert is coming to Villa Park I can feel it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 16, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
Lambert's odd have crashed this afternoon. Now favourite.

Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 03:28:33 PM
Mcarthy is now 7/1 at Skybet,

 Lambert the clear favourite

Lambert has been favourite for two days now and has hardly shifted in the market at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
Lambert just feels like the type of appointment they'll be looking to make this time round.

I have no ITK, but I do I think it will be him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 16, 2012, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
Lambert's odd have crashed this afternoon. Now favourite.

Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 03:28:33 PM
Mcarthy is now 7/1 at Skybet,

 Lambert the clear favourite

Lambert has been favourite for two days now and has hardly shifted in the market at all.



no what i meant was Lambert is now clear favourite 4/9 on, with the next closest Martinez at 5/1 who has been the favourite and was as low as 2/1 at times.
Mcarthy is 7/1 down from 2/1.

so i think there has been some movement to be fair
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: fredm on May 16, 2012, 03:42:00 PM

[/quote]
Chill out! AM was sacked 48hrs ago...I hope the board take more than just a few days to make the right decision on this next appointment.

....

Let them get on with their job and give them the benefit of the doubt...regardless of the ultimate fuck up of appointing AM last season!
[/quote]

Don't forget, they apparently made their minds up that there was going to be a change at the Bolton game, so they have had a couple of weeks to make contact with any agents to get a feel of the water so to speak. 

Those who replied, "you've no bloody chance" can then be discounted, those who replied, "well let's think about this, I'll speak to xx and discuss this conversation with him" mean we are in with a chance.  So maybe the major groundwork has already been done.

Well that is what I am hoping anyway!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
Just spotted Nigel Pearson at a set of traffic lights in Leicester.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 16, 2012, 03:55:12 PM
Voted B.R.('cos he plays nicer football)
but I think we'll get P.L.
He moved to Norwich because he could see it was a bigger club.
that's the reason he will be willing to talk to us(I think)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Warren Aspinall on May 16, 2012, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 16, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
Just spotted Nigel Pearson at a set of traffic lights in Leicester.

Shit, I once saw Lerner eating a pack of Walkers crisps. Just face it, it's Pearson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: D.boy on May 16, 2012, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I believe today's special is the Cup of Beans.
Is that delivered to your table by 2 girls? If so I would steer well clear.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
I wonder if we will be rivalling Liverpool for any candidates?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 04:19:15 PM
Lifted from the pink 'un. I have heard from a very good source that Paul Lambert is talking to Villa today along with assistants. The word is that he has been offered £200,000 more than he gets at Norwich.
Worse. If he goes his first signing could be Holt.
Let's hope it's not a done deal. Come on Delia. If ever there was a time to dig deep it is now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Dalglish has left Liverpool job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 16, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Dalglish has left Liverpool job.

Bugger.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Another gem from the pink 'un.Alright lads
 
Aston Villa supporter here. I found a link to this particular thread on one of our forum's.
 
Just thought i'd inform you that a good friend of mine is in direct contact with Villa chief executive Paul Faulkner as he does a lot of marketing work at the club and Paul Lambert will NOT be the next Villa manager. I'm 100% certain of this and i believe the so called journalist either has been given some wrong info or is simply talking out of his arse!
 
All the best for next season.
 
 
 
Someone has got to ask this. Why is the Aston Villa chief executive so careless as to share that kind of information with someone who doesn't even work for the club, let alone working on the football side? Leaving aside various other questions, such as if it is known for certain that it isn't Lambert then presumably it is known who it is, and how come the decison has been made when Lerner - who presumably will have the final word - has only just flown in to oversee the process? Love and peace and all that, but..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 16, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:20:59 PM
Dalglish has left Liverpool job.

Hope he doesn't think he's coming to VP.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 04:27:08 PM
So the merry go round really starts. You could guarantee he wouldn't make it if they didn't get in the CL. He has spent a boat load of cash and their league displays were awful. Thing is with them, they'll likely get an AVB opr someone with a better reputation than us. I'd be stunned if Martinez ends up there but you never know. I bet Holloway has run into his closet and is giving his Kenny Klan doll mouth to mouth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 16, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Another gem from the pink 'un.Alright lads
 
Aston Villa supporter here. I found a link to this particular thread on one of our forum's.
 
Just thought i'd inform you that a good friend of mine is in direct contact with Villa chief executive Paul Faulkner as he does a lot of marketing work at the club and Paul Lambert will NOT be the next Villa manager. I'm 100% certain of this and i believe the so called journalist either has been given some wrong info or is simply talking out of his arse!
 
All the best for next season.
 
 
 
Someone has got to ask this. Why is the Aston Villa chief executive so careless as to share that kind of information with someone who doesn't even work for the club, let alone working on the football side? Leaving aside various other questions, such as if it is known for certain that it isn't Lambert then presumably it is known who it is, and how come the decison has been made when Lerner - who presumably will have the final word - has only just flown in to oversee the process? Love and peace and all that, but..

maybe he didn't and it is all made up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
i do not think we will be going for the same names 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Maybe Dalglish resigned in disgust that the FA could be stupid enough to select Carroll & Downing for Euro 2012?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 16, 2012, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 16, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Another gem from the pink 'un.Alright lads
 
Aston Villa supporter here. I found a link to this particular thread on one of our forum's.
 
Just thought i'd inform you that a good friend of mine is in direct contact with Villa chief executive Paul Faulkner as he does a lot of marketing work at the club and Paul Lambert will NOT be the next Villa manager. I'm 100% certain of this and i believe the so called journalist either has been given some wrong info or is simply talking out of his arse!
 
All the best for next season.
 
 
 
Someone has got to ask this. Why is the Aston Villa chief executive so careless as to share that kind of information with someone who doesn't even work for the club, let alone working on the football side? Leaving aside various other questions, such as if it is known for certain that it isn't Lambert then presumably it is known who it is, and how come the decison has been made when Lerner - who presumably will have the final word - has only just flown in to oversee the process? Love and peace and all that, but..

No, someone has got to ask why anyone would believe this illiterate clap-trap!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Big Eck for the vacant Anfield job?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: German James on May 16, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Big Eck for the vacant Anfield job?

Ooh yes! :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
What for the music to stop and sit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Maybe Dalglish resigned in disgust that the FA could be stupid enough to select Carroll & Downing for Euro 2012?!
Him having spent £57 mill on them, oh yeh
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 04:36:20 PM
That would just make my year!!

American owners and Scottish managers...............there is a link!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 04:37:01 PM
Unfortunate timing. Another club in the market for a new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:37:36 PM
Odds on McCarthy being next Liverpool manager shorten quickly!
 ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
Ah now hang on a minute.  Steve Clarke. Add Wilkins & Poyet and ship to Villa Park?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool

I agree John.  And I think we'd have the better of the deal as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:43:48 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool

I agree John.  And I think we'd have the better of the deal as well.


we are agreeing on far to much at the moment    :)

also think Rogers will stay at Swansea
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool

I agree John.  And I think we'd have the better of the deal as well.

I'd be happy with that, but it wouldn't shock me to see Rodgers enter the mix for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool

I agree John.  And I think we'd have the better of the deal as well.

I'd be happy with that, but it wouldn't shock me to see Rodgers enter the mix for Liverpool.
Good shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 16, 2012, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
my prediction is

Lambert - Villa

Martinez - Liverpool

I agree John.  And I think we'd have the better of the deal as well.
Could be, Risso: with all the egos at Anfield and the pressure of exploiting all of KKK's expensive signings Martinez will find that a big step up.

The benefit - and attraction - of the Villa job is that several of the billy-big-bollox players are ending contracts and the remaining core is young and ambitious.

EDIT: big step-up for Rodgers too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Maybe Dalglish resigned in disgust that the FA could be stupid enough to select Carroll & Downing for Euro 2012?!

He's Scottish. He'll be delighted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 04:49:21 PM
Have Liverpool acted quickly to get rid of KKK because of the Villa supposedly sniffing round Martinez ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 04:51:38 PM
I think Martinez and Klanfield will end in tears.

He won't get the respect from the likes of Gerrard and Carragher to implement his own ideas and the fans will be pissed of the mighty Liverpool didn't get a bigger name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 16, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 16, 2012, 04:49:21 PM
Have Liverpool acted quickly to get rid of KKK because of the Villa supposedly sniffing round Martinez ?
Quite possibly; or simply a copycat of our American owner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 16, 2012, 05:00:27 PM
just checked the latest odd for the dippers job
Martinez 7/4
Lambert 14/1
O'neill 18/1

massive disparity there,is it BS or ITK??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa for life on May 16, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
Martinez to Liverpool is absurd. We are talking about a man who has struggled to keep Wigan in the top flight two seasons running. He hasn't done a Paul Lambert or a Brendan Rogers or an Owen Coyle in his first season. He's just about managed to keep Wigan afloat. He's not good enough for us, let alone Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
i think Martinez will be Liverpool bound but i dont want him to be,

 i like Martinez and would want him to do well but not at Liverpool as i dislike them more than any other club bar one, so i hope he doesnt end up there for that reason
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Liverpool fans won't give Martinez a chance like they dismissed Hodgson. Their egos won't be able to handle the fact that he's come from Wigan. Most of them still have haircuts from the 80's and still think Rush is playing number 9. They'll demand a bigger name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 05:04:41 PM
Villas-Boas for for the scouse job then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on May 16, 2012, 05:05:16 PM
Dalgleish now available.  Could do without the competition for decent managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:05:53 PM
RAWK is pretty hilarious reading just now.

Quote
Gutted. I'm actually welling up at work.

Feels like a family member passing away.  Can't believe it. Really didn't want this. Seems so wrong 

Man up, you big fucking girl.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nick harper on May 16, 2012, 05:06:00 PM
If we'd finished 8th and won the League Cup we'd have been cheering McLeish down Colmore Row.

Different mountain tops, painful as it is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 16, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
Benitez now 9/4 for liverpool return
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2995/betting/2012/05/15/3104675/benitez-linked-with-a-return-to-anfield-as-liverpool-remain
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Liverpool fans won't give Martinez a chance like they dismissed Hodgson. Their egos won't be able to handle the fact that he's come from Wigan. Most of them still have haircuts from the 80's and still think Rush is playing number 9. They'll demand a bigger name.

They'll be expecting Guadiola presumably.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

He'll be gutted he didn't hold out a bit longer before taking the Sunderland job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2012, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Liverpool fans won't give Martinez a chance like they dismissed Hodgson. Their egos won't be able to handle the fact that he's come from Wigan. Most of them still have haircuts from the 80's and still think Rush is playing number 9. They'll demand a bigger name.

They'll be expecting Guadiola presumably.
He'll be at Chelsea for sure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 16, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
i do not think we will be going for the same names

 Yep dont be suprised if Rafa's back at Anfield or some other top European manager. Very much doubt theyd go after Lambo, Roberto or Buck Rogers. If they wont give KKK a chance they sure wont be prepared to give someone inexperienced a go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:08:43 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Liverpool fans won't give Martinez a chance like they dismissed Hodgson. Their egos won't be able to handle the fact that he's come from Wigan. Most of them still have haircuts from the 80's and still think Rush is playing number 9. They'll demand a bigger name.


disagree,  they have been bought up on that pass and move football and will love his style
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 16, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
obviously I'm only interested in the Scouse job as it may have a bearing on our employment prospects.

Wouldn't you love to be Paul Lambert's agent right now?
Imagine the 15%!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

He'll be gutted he didn't hold out a bit longer before taking the Sunderland job.

Indeed. What a dead end job he has there at Sunderland. Hahahaha
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andrew08 on May 16, 2012, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

He'll be gutted he didn't hold out a bit longer before taking the Sunderland job.

It won't stop him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

He'll be gutted he didn't hold out a bit longer before taking the Sunderland job.

Like he'd give a shit about walking out on Sunderland to go to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I could see Guardiola taking it actually. I can't see them appointing Martinez, to replace Dalglish they have to go for a big name that can handle it and is a proven winner. Step forward Rafa I reckon, I reckon he has waited for it and will take it back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on May 16, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
After the way they hounded Hodgson out I think Liverpool fans will be expecting/demanding a bigger, more established name than Lambert, Rodgers, or Martinez.  I reckon Benitez could well end up back there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 16, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

He'll be gutted he didn't hold out a bit longer before taking the Sunderland job.

Like he'd give a shit about walking out on Sunderland to go to Liverpool.

Presumably he'll wait until mid-August though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 16, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
After the way they hounded Hodgson out I think Liverpool fans will be expecting/demanding a bigger, more established name than Lambert, Rodgers, or Martinez.  I reckon Benitez could well end up back there.

Surely they've learned the error of bringing back former managers?

Maybe not though. Just had a sneaky tenner on Shankly just in case. Ok, he's dead, but football's more important than that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
Liverpool are welcome to having Benitez back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 16, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
After the way they hounded Hodgson out I think Liverpool fans will be expecting/demanding a bigger, more established name than Lambert, Rodgers, or Martinez.  I reckon Benitez could well end up back there.

I hope you're right. I really think Lambert is the next big thing, possibly the next Moyes. I will be very disappointed if we miss out on Lambert and only Rogers and to a lesser extent Martinez would make up for the disappointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
Ex-Liverpool players talking shite on SSN.I am just waiting for Stan Boardman to roll up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:15:27 PM
I reckon they'll get benitez back in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:08:43 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Liverpool fans won't give Martinez a chance like they dismissed Hodgson. Their egos won't be able to handle the fact that he's come from Wigan. Most of them still have haircuts from the 80's and still think Rush is playing number 9. They'll demand a bigger name.


disagree,  they have been bought up on that pass and move football and will love his style

it has nothing to do with his style though John. Hodgson's teams play nice stuff. It's Martinez and the fact that he isn't a leading name. It will kill them if they appointed him, and especially on the back of their Grand Wizard being dumped. Plus Martinez has some colour to his skin so that will never do at the meetings around the fire.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Tell you what, Brian McNally from the Sunday Mirror is having none of this Dalglish worship

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Bold,brave move by Liverpool owners to ditch under-achieving football boss & PR disaster Kenny Dalglish.Gives #lfc a chance to move forward

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Patrick Collins aptly summed up the #lfc legend when he said - “ Kenny Dalglish is not as remotely as clever as he thinks he is. " Spot on!

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
As a #Celtic fan I admired Kenny Dalglish as a player.But dealing with him as a manager was not pleasant.Rude, arrogant & at times ignorant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:15:27 PM
I reckon they'll get benitez back in.

perfect. Give it a year and both Ferguson and Mancini will be fucking with his head. He won't have enough paper to write down all his facts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
Also, David Conn on the hilarity:

David Conn ‏ @david_conn
So Kenny Dalglish has gone and as of now, Fenway's Liverpool have no manager, director of football, head of press, or new stadium plan #lfc
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 16, 2012, 05:18:53 PM
Although annoying because potentially they could be in for our targets (although I'm with those expecting a big name) it's good in a way because it will completely deflect any proess attention from us now, so we can go about our business quietly and efficiently and bag our man.
Whelan's babbling on TS this morning, however does maybe make me think they've sounded out Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Tell you what, Brian McNally from the Sunday Mirror is having none of this Dalglish worship

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Bold,brave move by Liverpool owners to ditch under-achieving football boss & PR disaster Kenny Dalglish.Gives #lfc a chance to move forward

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Patrick Collins aptly summed up the #lfc legend when he said - “ Kenny Dalglish is not as remotely as clever as he thinks he is. " Spot on!

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
As a #Celtic fan I admired Kenny Dalglish as a player.But dealing with him as a manager was not pleasant.Rude, arrogant & at times ignorant.

If you keep treating the media like shit, don't be surprised if they bite back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:19:26 PM
Maybe Houllier will go for it and he can have another Liverpool love in.  :D

I reckon they'll get Benitez back but i don't really care who they have as long as we get Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Tell you what, Brian McNally from the Sunday Mirror is having none of this Dalglish worship

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Bold,brave move by Liverpool owners to ditch under-achieving football boss & PR disaster Kenny Dalglish.Gives #lfc a chance to move forward

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Patrick Collins aptly summed up the #lfc legend when he said - “ Kenny Dalglish is not as remotely as clever as he thinks he is. " Spot on!

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
As a #Celtic fan I admired Kenny Dalglish as a player.But dealing with him as a manager was not pleasant.Rude, arrogant & at times ignorant.



he doesnt like him does he
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2012, 05:20:39 PM
Dalglish's managerial ability was summed up when I watched our game at their place - bringing Carroll on in place of Downing. Not to mention what he's done in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:24:17 PM
Quote from: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Tell you what, Brian McNally from the Sunday Mirror is having none of this Dalglish worship

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Bold,brave move by Liverpool owners to ditch under-achieving football boss & PR disaster Kenny Dalglish.Gives #lfc a chance to move forward

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
Patrick Collins aptly summed up the #lfc legend when he said - “ Kenny Dalglish is not as remotely as clever as he thinks he is. " Spot on!

Quote
Brian McNally ‏ @McNallyMirror
As a #Celtic fan I admired Kenny Dalglish as a player.But dealing with him as a manager was not pleasant.Rude, arrogant & at times ignorant.



he doesnt like him does he

It's nice to see someone in the press who's not bowing at his feet.

Shite manager and arrogant bastard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

I wish. Apparently, according to SSN, Liverpool have approached another PL manager and it's not Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: jembob on May 16, 2012, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I could see Guardiola taking it actually. I can't see them appointing Martinez, to replace Dalglish they have to go for a big name that can handle it and is a proven winner. Step forward Rafa I reckon, I reckon he has waited for it and will take it back.
I was talking to a Lplop fan today and he really wants Benitez back. He reckons that Rafa was about the best manager they had until the Americans turned up and forced him out - also he couldn't understand what I found so funny about that!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa for life on May 16, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Capello
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 16, 2012, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I could see Guardiola taking it actually. I can't see them appointing Martinez, to replace Dalglish they have to go for a big name that can handle it and is a proven winner. Step forward Rafa I reckon, I reckon he has waited for it and will take it back.
I was talking to a Lplop fan today and he really wants Benitez back. He reckons that Rafa was about the best manager they had until the Americans turned up and forced him out - also he couldn't understand what I found so funny about that!

Fancy that eh, from the city that invented comedy.....and music
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 16, 2012, 05:28:09 PM
I think it shows for an owner, ceo, board etc its not easy to choose a manager as we fans believe it is. Geordies creamed for their messiah and that went tits up. Pool wanted their King back and that didnt work out too well. Then to the other extreme Villa appoint the complete opposite to fans wishes which well lets say didnt work out too well either did it?

 One thing I would say is now the Liverpool job is available and soon the Chelsea job will be, it'll give Lerner & Faulkner the push they need to appoint someone fast!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 16, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

I wish. Apparently, according to SSN, Liverpool have approached another PL manager and it's not Martinez.

Redknapp...... Spurs would let him go as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 16, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

I wish. Apparently, according to SSN, Liverpool have approached another PL manager and it's not Martinez.

Bugger, don't like the sound of that. Unless it's O'Neill!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 16, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
I don't quite understand why everyone thinks Liverpool will be after a big name.  Of course, their gloryhunting deluded supporters might think it's their entitlement, but footy's moved on a fait bit since they were in their pomp.  Do they actually have any money to back a big hitter and present themselves as a "project"?  I have my doubts.  I'd like to see Martinez go to 'Pool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 05:29:47 PM
How does everyone feel about Di Canio?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Redknapp is a shrewd tip I have to say

At least we don't have to worry about it being our incumbent manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: NeilH on May 16, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 05:29:47 PM
How does everyone feel about Di Canio?

Yeah we could add Nick Griffin as assistant as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 05:29:47 PM
How does everyone feel about Di Canio?


with Big Ron as DOF, and Suarez and Terry as the first big money signings
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: villa for life on May 16, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Capello

I think you're bang on there. Certainly fits in with the interview Capello gave the other week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Redknapp is a shrewd tip I have to say

At least we don't have to worry about it being our incumbent manager

Don't think it'll be Redknapp, Liverpool's a bit of a commute from the south coast.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 16, 2012, 05:35:51 PM
Quote from: villa for life on May 16, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
Martinez to Liverpool is absurd. We are talking about a man who has struggled to keep Wigan in the top flight two seasons running. He hasn't done a Paul Lambert or a Brendan Rogers or an Owen Coyle in his first season. He's just about managed to keep Wigan afloat. He's not good enough for us, let alone Liverpool.


No no. Roberto is destined to manage Barcelona don't you know. It's true, Dave Whelan said so. He'll be using the dippers as a stepping stone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villan For Life on May 16, 2012, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Redknapp is a shrewd tip I have to say

At least we don't have to worry about it being our incumbent manager

Don't think it'll be Redknapp, Liverpool's a bit of a commute from the south coast.

With the money they have it's a short helicopter flight. Quicker than his commute to Spuds training ground or White Hart Lane
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 16, 2012, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Redknapp is a shrewd tip I have to say

At least we don't have to worry about it being our incumbent manager
Agree, no way Harry will go that far north.
Praying it's MON, although that will fulfil his sense of destiny.

Don't think it'll be Redknapp, Liverpool's a bit of a commute from the south coast.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 16, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
I don't quite understand why everyone thinks Villa will be after a big name.  Of course, our deluded supporters might think it's our entitlement, but footy's moved on a fait bit since we were in our pomp.  Do we actually have any money to back a big hitter and present themselves as a "project"?  I have my doubts.  I'd like to see Martinez go to Villa.

Edited.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 16, 2012, 05:39:27 PM
most online today on the RAWK forum is 10272,

 bet the mods cant keep up with the little scally's
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 16, 2012, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 09:47:21 AM
i'm trying to think of some vibrant managers. Not the first term that springs to mind normally when you're describing them. Is lambert vibrant?

Wee Gordon Strachan?

Apparently he was there on the night Bolton beat us, to console Big Eck.

Sympathise with him and then nick his job.  Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 16, 2012, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 16, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
I don't quite understand why everyone thinks Villa will be after a big name.  Of course, our deluded supporters might think it's our entitlement, but footy's moved on a fait bit since we were in our pomp.  Do we actually have any money to back a big hitter and present themselves as a "project"?  I have my doubts.  I'd like to see Martinez go to Villa.

Edited.

Lambert for me.  Loserpool can have Martinez/MON/Benitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 05:47:25 PM
not sure there is a current PL manager that would truly measure up as Klanfield's next Grand Dragon but would love it if MON was inflicted on them. Just think of the enterainment value in bobbing around various club forums and watching some other people indulge in internecine warfare. lovely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:47:54 PM
Quote from: Villan For Life on May 16, 2012, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: villanic on May 16, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
Redknapp is a shrewd tip I have to say

At least we don't have to worry about it being our incumbent manager

Don't think it'll be Redknapp, Liverpool's a bit of a commute from the south coast.

With the money they have it's a short helicopter flight. Quicker than his commute to Spuds training ground or White Hart Lane

Although, Maybe Jamie can persuade his dad to go to Liverpool. Harry Redknapp is Jamie Redknapps dad, Just in case you didn’t know that, because Jamie never mentions it when he is on sky sports. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2012, 05:50:29 PM
Nick Griffin is now favourite with the bookies for the Liverpool job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: richard moore on May 16, 2012, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 16, 2012, 05:50:29 PM
Nick Griffin is now favourite with the bookies for the Liverpool job.

Snigger, mutley fashion...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 16, 2012, 05:51:48 PM
is that a one eyed support joke?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 16, 2012, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 04:37:01 PM
Unfortunate timing. Another club in the market for a new manager.

Dunno Paulie. Could work to our advantage.

If we've targeted say a Rodgers or Lambert, they might be vaguely interested.   But they might have reasoned that they could be better off where they are unless one of the really big positions become vacant- one they just can't refuse.

The Liverpool job still just about comes into that category.  Even if they were to fail, it's just one of those chances most managers have to take. As per Hodgson.

But if the Redscouse fill that position and Lambert and Rodgers aren't in the frame, it adds a degree of certainty about their future options. As it's unlikely that a job as big as the Villa one (or bigger) will be available anytime soon.  And even if it were, Man Citeh, Chelsea, Tottingham and co would most likely look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 16, 2012, 06:00:56 PM
I can't see them going for any of our reported targets,maybe Rodgers,but i'd imagine they'd go for a bigger name,probably foreign. AVB springs to mind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:02:34 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 05:28:56 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 16, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

I wish. Apparently, according to SSN, Liverpool have approached another PL manager and it's not Martinez.

Bugger, don't like the sound of that. Unless it's O'Neill!

Already? What odds they will appoint somebody before we even conduct an interview?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*
Always on the cards.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 06:13:20 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

You'll be unsurprised to learn the identity of one press man who fully supports MON for the Liverpool job.

Quote
Oliver Holt ‏ @OllieHoltMirror
Part of problem with some of Liverpool players seems to be real lack of confidence. Nobody better than O'Neill at fixing that
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 16, 2012, 06:14:24 PM
Alan Pardew for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
heheh. Will we lose our tame mackem if MON does the dirty on Sunderland? Even for him that would be despicable
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mal on May 16, 2012, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
Ah now hang on a minute.  Steve Clarke. Add Wilkins & Poyet and ship to Villa Park?

The first bit of this is the most sensible thing on this whole thread.. SC is best defensive coach in the division. And just to prove how sensible I am, I wonder how he gets on with Paolo di Canio?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 16, 2012, 06:16:08 PM
If it's true Liverpool have approached a current Premier Leaague manager, as opposed to Lambert, Martinez or Rodgers it could just as easily be MON, 'Arry, Pardew or even Moyes. As for Dalglish I reckon the Suarez affair was the main thing that did for him. Coupled with his magnificent record for value for money in the transfer market, great league form particularly at home and his deep understanding that he can't treat the media of 2012 like the untouchable Dalglish of the late eighties could treat the media those days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: latz on May 16, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
Reckon it'll be 'Arry or MON for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.  Lambert to us i reckon, would love us to go after AVB, just a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 16, 2012, 06:18:56 PM
Surely Moyes wouldn't go there.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
If they've approached someone in the PL, I'd say Martinez, Pardew, MON. Can't see it being anyone else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 06:19:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 06:13:20 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 04:57:08 PM
MON for Liverpool?

*runs for cover*

You'll be unsurprised to learn the identity of one press man who fully supports MON for the Liverpool job.

Quote
Oliver Holt ‏ @OllieHoltMirror
Part of problem with some of Liverpool players seems to be real lack of confidence. Nobody better than O'Neill at fixing that

It'll be the same when the Queen dies as far as Holt is concerned, the huge ponce.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on May 16, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
Steve Clarke would definetly be a good addition to the coaching staff
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 06:23:04 PM
Redknapp wouldn't leave Spurs for Liverpool.   The other names would leap at it I'd imagine.  My guess is they'll go for O'Neill.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
Can't see Martinez or Pardew. they've just sacked a legend, they'd want a big name and the average bindipper would see them two as beneath them. Redknapp or MON i reckon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 06:23:04 PM
Redknapp wouldn't leave Spurs for Liverpool.   The other names would leap at it I'd imagine.  My guess is they'll go for O'Neill.

MON? That ship has sailed
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2012, 06:25:32 PM
Redknapp only tends to manage clubs down in his beloved south but he'd jump at Liverpool i reckon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 06:23:04 PM
Redknapp wouldn't leave Spurs for Liverpool.   The other names would leap at it I'd imagine.  My guess is they'll go for O'Neill.
Heskey could be back at Liverpool.  He could hold the ball up for Carroll.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 16, 2012, 06:30:53 PM
Dunno if its already been suggested, but what about Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Hes young, keen, was successful as reserve coach at Manure and pulling up trees already back in Norway
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
Just put a pound on Nigel Adkins for the Liverpool job. 50/1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 16, 2012, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

I have to admit that, on getting back from shopping, I'm totally confused over who is going where and how.

Lambert to Villa I reckon

Wouldn't surprise me if MoN went to Liverpool.  He wouldn't think twice about walking out on Sunderland.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Fair point but it could impact on who we get. I wish our guys would just go and get their man. Look at Liverpool, Kenny's barely left the building and they've made an approach for a manger.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
well i'm looking forwd to mick mccarthy suddenly becoming an early favourite for the Liverpool job. Lets see how they like it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 06:36:54 PM
I remember last season , talking to a good mate of mine who is a season ticket holder at Leicester and goes to the away games and I said to him ' so who was the best team in your league ' and he said ' Norwich , they played some brilliant football ,, loved watching them'   



So PL would be ok by me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Quote from: nick harper on May 16, 2012, 05:06:00 PM
If we'd finished 8th and won the League Cup we'd have been cheering McLeish down Colmore Row.

Different mountain tops, painful as it is.

Not if we'd spent their cash we wouldn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 16, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
Probably Martinez for Liverpool

Im sure we are well down the line with Lambert already. I honestly believe it will be announced Friday

MON would fit the bill but I think he will stick with Sunderland as long as he gets financial backing from his board for next season.

I think Randy may have decided to splash the cash for a short period of time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 16, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Well, well, well. Isn't it funny how fate works?

Here you go Mr Lawrenson and Mr Hansen. That fella you spent the last 11 months telling us was a great manager? Here, have him, he's yours. Compensation? No, no, I wouldn't dream of it. It's on the house.

Damaged goods you say? Granted, he has the odd blemish, but I'm sure a decent set of forceps will remove that letter from up his anus.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Fair point but it could impact on who we get. I wish our guys would just go and get their man. Look at Liverpool, Kenny's barely left the building and they've made an approach for a manger.

Yep, I understand, but I logged in all I could see were posts saying who L-'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would get etc.... I rather talk about the Villa. For me I hope they get Lambert wrapped up as soon as.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: John on May 16, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
Probably Martinez

Im sure we are well down the line with Lambert already. I honestly believe it will be announced Friday

I don't think anything will happen with Lambert (if anything does) until after their game with Celtic next week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 06:42:44 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
Quote from: nick harper on May 16, 2012, 05:06:00 PM
If we'd finished 8th and won the League Cup we'd have been cheering McLeish down Colmore Row.

Different mountain tops, painful as it is.

Not if we'd spent their cash we wouldn't.

It can never be said enough. Downing, Henderson & Carroll for £75million. AM got enough stick for Hutton & Zog who cost a fraction of that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Fair point but it could impact on who we get. I wish our guys would just go and get their man. Look at Liverpool, Kenny's barely left the building and they've made an approach for a manger.

Two days before the first complaint. We're getting better.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
well i'm looking forwd to mick mccarthy suddenly becoming an early favourite for the Liverpool job. Lets see how they like it.

Lets all stick a few bob on it. For a laugh!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: FrankyH on May 16, 2012, 06:44:31 PM
We
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Well said
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

Let's be honest Greg you won't like anyone we hire or are linked with. That's why you can't come up with more than "look abroad" for who you'd want.  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.


I can't deny it worries me a lot about him having read about the way he manages and sets his side up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Fair point but it could impact on who we get. I wish our guys would just go and get their man. Look at Liverpool, Kenny's barely left the building and they've made an approach for a manger.

Two days before the first complaint. We're getting better.

I really didn't mean it as a complaint Dave, more a utopian wish we get who we want and Liverpool don't beat us to the punch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
Rodgers has come right in on the early odds for Liverpool so could well be him. And lets face it, he could do a great job there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 06:52:13 PM
Very good piece from not 606.
Leeds aren't former European Champions! They've only won five major honours in their history to boot.

Villa are a different kettle of fish. Their history goes right back to actually being the club that gave the world league football (their then Chairman, William McGregor, created the world's first football league in 1888). They are the only "old" club (founder member of the original league) of English football to have been Champions of Europe. The heir to the British throne, the British Prime Minister and the Governor of the Bank of England are all supporters of the club, they hold a unique position as the the original major football club of England. Villa were the most trophied club in England for an unbroken spell of seven decades (1905-1978). Unlike the "new" clubs that rose on from the 1950's/60's onwards Villa have never relied on media backing or buying success. They're a huge, genuinely historic club with a unique place in the history of the game. They are the major club of the UK's second largest city...

If Lerner is serious, once more, about investing in success (not "buying success" like either Manchester club, Chelsea etc.) then many managers would be tempted by the challenge of re-establishing Villa to the top of the game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

Greg - have you watched Norwich? They play nothing at all like a MON team. For starters they are not a counter attacking team by nature. They had a pretty decent home record because they attack the opposition. Lambert played for MON at Celtic - so what? Lambert has shown that he not only has a plan B, but a C as well if he needs it. We all know MON had a plan A, and if that didn't work, he'd go to plan A again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: DB on May 16, 2012, 06:28:48 PM
Have I mis-read this thread title? It's not 'Who do you want as Liverpool's next manager?' Fuck 'em.

Fair point but it could impact on who we get. I wish our guys would just go and get their man. Look at Liverpool, Kenny's barely left the building and they've made an approach for a manger.

Two days before the first complaint. We're getting better.

I really didn't mean it as a complaint Dave, more a utopian wish we get who we want and Liverpool don't beat us to the punch.

I would be very surprised if we're in the same market as Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

Let's be honest Greg you won't like anyone we hire or are linked with. That's why you can't come up with more than "look abroad" for who you'd want.  ;)


i'm not enthused by the list of candidates up top true, though it's probably reasonably accurate and beggers can't be choosers given who wants to work with nowt to spend. could be a lot worse i guess. me i'd go with Rodgers out of them. I'm not sure he'd do better than lambert but at least he'd try to get some of our players passing, and i'd rather have players that suit the manager rather than a manager who suits the players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 16, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.


I can't deny it worries me a lot about him having read about the way he manages and sets his side up.
I couldn't disagree more. The only comparison I see is they are good man managers. Lambert is far more flexible with his sides formations and the rotation of players.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

I'm sure Lerner hates O'Neill more than you do. Just because two people wear glasses, doesn't mean they're exactly the same. See also: Sarah Palin and Gandhi. Both wear glasses, but they are different people.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

I'm sure Lerner hates O'Neill more than you do. Just because two people wear glasses, doesn't mean they're exactly the same. See also: Sarah Palin and Gandhi. Both wear glasses, but they are different people.

heh. its not the glasses or the visual resemblence, its the worry we're after him because the board think he can get something out of Dunne, collins Hutton etc... My arguement is they're beyond redemption and should be shown the door sharpish. I don't want a manager who will work with them basically.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 16, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.


I can't deny it worries me a lot about him having read about the way he manages and sets his side up.
I couldn't disagree more. The only comparison I see is they are good man managers. Lambert is far more flexible with his sides formations and the rotation of players.

Sees the players 2-3 days a week, aloof with the press, likes a big man up top, concedes possession to focus on fairly direct, albeit effective football.

I like Lambert, and think he would do a good job for sure, but think in the long run people like Rodgers will be more successful.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
Unless offers come in they're here for 12 months at worst.  If he can utilise them, presuming they aren't sold, then that's a positive in my book.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
Lambert seems better at having a plan (b) than Rodgers. That's quite an un-O'neillish trait.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: postino on May 16, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
How about Gus Poyet? Likes to play football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

I'm sure Lerner hates O'Neill more than you do. Just because two people wear glasses, doesn't mean they're exactly the same. See also: Sarah Palin and Gandhi. Both wear glasses, but they are different people.
Prove it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 07:16:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 16, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.


I can't deny it worries me a lot about him having read about the way he manages and sets his side up.
I couldn't disagree more. The only comparison I see is they are good man managers. Lambert is far more flexible with his sides formations and the rotation of players.

Sees the players 2-3 days a week, aloof with the press, likes a big man up top, concedes possession to focus on fairly direct, albeit effective football.

I like Lambert, and think he would do a good job for sure, but think in the long run people like Rodgers will be more successful.

It remains to be seen whether Rodgers can replicate the success he's had with Swansea somewhere where the club hasn't been primed for playing that way for 10 years or so before he turned up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
One thing Lambert seems capable of is switching formations effectively when facing different sides. Or even during games. How alien a concept has that been down B6 in recent years?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 16, 2012, 07:18:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 06:50:32 PM
Rodgers has come right in on the early odds for Liverpool so could well be him. And lets face it, he could do a great job there.
So has AVB. It is just a measure of where the money is going.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

I'm sure Lerner hates O'Neill more than you do. Just because two people wear glasses, doesn't mean they're exactly the same. See also: Sarah Palin and Gandhi. Both wear glasses, but they are different people.
Prove it

He's got a point. I've never seen them in the same room.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 16, 2012, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
One thing Lambert seems capable of is switching formations effectively when facing different sides. Or even during games. How alien a concept has that been down B6 in recent years?
Exactly. He has also left Holt out on countless occasions this season because he wasn't doing it or because he didn't fit with the formation he wanted to play. Could you ever imagine MON doing that with Gabby? No chance. We could guess the team every week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 07:21:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

I'm sure Lerner hates O'Neill more than you do. Just because two people wear glasses, doesn't mean they're exactly the same. See also: Sarah Palin and Gandhi. Both wear glasses, but they are different people.
Prove it

He's got a point. I've never seen them in the same room.

I can see why he changed his name.  Nailing Ghandi just doesn't have the right ring to it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
I think in truth, Lambert, Martinez, Poyet or Rodgers are all really interesting, and I hope we end up with one of them. Lambert worries me, but might be the best fit for us as a club I agree, I can't see our crowd staying patient while Martinez and Rodgers try and implement their style of play. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
Unless offers come in they're here for 12 months at worst.  If he can utilise them, presuming they aren't sold, then that's a positive in my book.


yep. thats the nasty catch 22. We can't get rid of them or replace them so we have to work with them. I'm not sure i can take another season of Dunne - only time i was reasonably happy with the defence was when he was crocked and then he's back being shit. One match turning mistake per game guaranteed with that guy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
I can't see our crowd staying patient while Martinez and Rodgers try and implement their style of play. 
I think Martinez would burst into tears if he got the abuse that McLeish did.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 16, 2012, 07:33:09 PM
I've got a funny feeling it will be Gus Poyet with a DOF.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Moorski on May 16, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
Would prefer Lambert but Poyet with someone like Clarke as a coach would be acceptable, I think that Comolli is needed as a DOF also
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on May 16, 2012, 07:33:09 PM
I've got a funny feeling it will be Gus Poyet with a DOF.
This funny feeling you mention, are you taking medication?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 16, 2012, 07:41:50 PM
Poyet's managerial record is very similar to one of the previous up and coming young managers we appointed from down the leagues - Graham Turner. The club's in a very different position from when Turner took over but if we're looking askance at Lambert and Rodgers being one-season wonders, then how is Poyet so very different? At least the latter two got out of the second division.

But then, all of the managers likely to be within our grasp are going to be risky in some measure..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 16, 2012, 07:44:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on May 16, 2012, 07:33:09 PM
I've got a funny feeling it will be Gus Poyet with a DOF.
This funny feeling you mention, are you taking medication?

Just coming off the anti-depressants from the last eleven months!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 16, 2012, 07:46:08 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 16, 2012, 07:41:50 PM
Poyet's managerial record is very similar to one of the previous up and coming young managers we appointed from down the leagues - Graham Turner. The club's in a very different position from when Turner took over but if we're looking askance at Lambert and Rodgers being one-season wonders, then how is Poyet so very different? At least the latter two got out of the second division.

But then, all of the managers likely to be within our grasp are going to be risky in some measure..

I agree. Lambert's my number one choice. I just have a feeling we'll get Poyet and a DOF.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
Aj Jazeera reports that Chemical Ali has been given prison leave to be interviewed for The Aston Villa Manager Position. Randy Lerner is known to be impressed with his tactics and handling of the media during the Invasion of Iraq. Ali gave the media an insight into the type of football that the Villa Park faithfull can expect. "is easy you see, first we stay in formation, they attack we do not move, then they run away, they attack again and this time we attack them back and they are running, screaming and howling off like school girls being menaced by a tramp"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: unclefabio on May 16, 2012, 07:57:59 PM
We insisted on PL experience last time, which Poyet doesn't have as a manager. Could be different this time round, I suppose.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 16, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
Chemical Ali's claret & blue army just about fits.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

Technically it would be the 3-1 win against Blackburn. Yet again the lifelong Villa fan gets something wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
I reckon they'll set-up a blue screen for all the interviewees to see who looks most genuine on TV saying "I knew the condItions when i came here", "its great to have Hutton fit again and available" and "well Newcastle have a different agenda to us". Out of the 'vibrant' managers on the list, i reckon Poyet will fail the giggle test.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Richard on May 16, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

Splitting hairs but you could say the 3 1 v Blackburn was equally as big but then what does SVC know !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 16, 2012, 08:03:12 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 16, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 07:24:27 PM
I can't see our crowd staying patient while Martinez and Rodgers try and implement their style of play. 
I think Martinez would burst into tears if he got the abuse that McLeish did.

But then he probably wouldn't make defensive substitutions when we are already 2-0 down, so it's unlikely he'd get that level of abuse.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

He's been banging on about that since Monday.  He really is a dreadful, dreadful radio presenter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 16, 2012, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

He's been banging on about that since Monday.  He really is a dreadful, dreadful radio presenter.

Not just me then, he loves the sound of his own voice that bloke. Takes him ages to get to the point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 16, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
As for Martinez breaking down if he got the same abuse McLeish got I think bearing in mind  the proof in black and white in the record books of what actually happened on the pitch during McLeish's period in charge we the fans were remarkably restrained in our treatment of him.   Our patience snapped in the 86th minute of the Bolton game.   The "Cauldron of Hate" and Villa fans as a whole being on McLeish's back from day one are figments of the venomous minds of the likes of James Nursey in the Mirror.

I for one am not going on a guilt trip about McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on May 16, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Poyet for me let the scousers have Rodgers his stint at Watford never gets mentioned because he was dismal if he turns em down the rumours round here are that Souey is in the frame that should really fcuk them up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 16, 2012, 08:10:35 PM
As for Martinez breaking down if he got the same abuse McLeish got I think bearing in mind  the proof in black and white in the record books of what actually happened on the pitch during McLeish's period in charge we the fans were remarkably restrained in our treatment of him.   Our patience snapped in the 86th minute of the Bolton game.   The "Cauldron of Hate" and Villa fans as a whole being on McLeish's back from day one are figments of the venomous minds of the likes of James Nursey in the Mirror.

I for one am not going on a guilt trip about McLeish.

I'd agree with that summation.

Neither am I. Good riddance to an awful manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 16, 2012, 08:14:54 PM
I think it will be him but what worries me is he was sacked by albion
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

He's been banging on about that since Monday.  He really is a dreadful, dreadful radio presenter.

The homeform did do for McLeish to be fair. He may have survived if he'd got a few home wins during that period where you could see the confidence drain from our players as soon as they took to the pitch at VP. Swansea was the game for me. Losing that fucked us permanently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

Technically it would be the 3-1 win against Blackburn. Yet again the lifelong Villa fan gets something wrong.

Christ, talk about splitting hairs!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 16, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.
With a CL Final being prepared for, I cant believe that to be true.

As much as hes resurrected Chelskis season, I've also heard a few bad things about Di Matteo at Baggies so dont think he would be suitable for us and have struck him off my short list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(

Technically it would be the 3-1 win against Blackburn. Yet again the lifelong Villa fan gets something wrong.

Christ, talk about splitting hairs!

I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that he earns a living from being the Villa fan expert and yet generally speaks a load of crap about us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 16, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
Collymore just pointed out on TalkSport that our biggest home win of the season was 2-0 against Wigan. All I want in the next manager is someone who's gonna win games at Villa Park :(
As I said when we appointed AM and was feeling depressed but optimistic: if we win every game 1-0 I will be a very happy Villa fan. Well, at least we scored 1 quite often:(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................



yep.  complete ban on anyone who was born, played or managed north of the border or Ireland. Its the only way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ad@m on May 16, 2012, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.

Di Matteo is not a good manager. Chelsea's run of form has everything to do with Di Matteo letting Lampard, Terry et al play they want to rather than any tactical nouse. They've just been playing how Mourinho had them play.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 16, 2012, 08:24:10 PM
Aye.

There was a little period there from about the Arsenal home match to Chelsea away when he'd started to win a few over.  The Stoke away game was mostly awful as a spectacle, but we did look solid defensively -even from set pieces.

But against Swansea we were abysmal, and that seemed to set the tone for most of our remaining home matches.

He still had plenty of games to make a better impression though. A total of 7 points from home matches against Everton, QPR, Fulham, Stoke, Sunderland and Bolton would be a shite state of affairs in any season -whatever the background of the manager of the time and his past associations.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................


We can't follow up the disaster that was McLeish with the man who was shown the door at the Baggies.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................


I can't have Di Canio at the Villa after he was sacked by the Baggies. We can't follow up the disaster that was McLeish with the man who was shown the door at the Baggies.

That was Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................


I can't have Di Canio at the Villa after he was sacked by the Baggies. We can't follow up the disaster that was McLeish with the man who was shown the door at the Baggies.

What about Di Canio? ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
Di Matteo is basically care-taking the clowns in the dressing room that seem to run Chelsea. I don't believe he is a good manager, he will last 6 months next year at Chelsea, even if he wins the Champions League.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
It's a no for me regarding Di Canio purely because he's a fascist twat.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................


I can't have Di Canio at the Villa after he was sacked by the Baggies. We can't follow up the disaster that was McLeish with the man who was shown the door at the Baggies.

That was Di Matteo.

Oh Christ yeah. Ha!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 16, 2012, 08:29:58 PM
I was keen on Di Matteo until I spoke to someone very ITK with regards west brom. Was told how he used to piss the players off no end as he's a proper London lover and would frequently miss player meetings etc just to nip back to London town. He's also not highly thought of when it comes to his man management skills
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 16, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................


I can't have Di Canio at the Villa after he was sacked by the Baggies. We can't follow up the disaster that was McLeish with the man who was shown the door at the Baggies.

That was Di Matteo.

Oh Christ yeah. Ha!

Sorry, but that has really tickled me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 16, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.
With a CL Final being prepared for, I cant believe that to be true.

As much as hes resurrected Chelskis season, I've also heard a few bad things about Di Matteo at Baggies so dont think he would be suitable for us and have struck him off my short list.
I think if he came with Wilkins it would be a great appointment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 16, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
After the good feeling that came with getting rid of McLeish, I'm now feeling that although I wouldn't mind any of the candidates that we seem to be linked with and could reasonably expect to attract (Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Poyet, Di Matteo...), none of them really fill me with that much excitement, either.

I suppose of that bunch, my preference would just about be for Lambert, although there's not much in it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:34:15 PM
Apart from Mad Mick McCarthy, who could possibly be any worse?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 16, 2012, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................



yep.  complete ban on anyone who was born, played or managed north of the border or Ireland. Its the only way.
Not born north of the border or glasses? that's The Proclaimers out then.
We are slowly narrowing down your choices Greg.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 16, 2012, 08:35:53 PM
 I think people are being a bit harsh on Di Matteo. Are people saying if Chelsea win the CL (not that they will) then he had nothing to do with it? From what I remember he brought up WBA playing good passing football, was unlucky to get sack probably because WBA wanted to go for safe option when Hodgson was available. My dad is a wba fan and he was suprised as I when he got sack. Oh he's won the F.A cup. He pulled off some brilliant results too, Napoli in C.L? Maybe he let Chelsea play how they want to. But maybe he deserves credit for acknowledging that doing what AVB wanted to do was too extreme in too short of a time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 16, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:34:15 PM
Apart from Mad Mick McCarthy, who could possibly be any worse?

Well, exactly. I'm fairly sure that any of the candidates would get us to mid-table fairly comfortably, so I'm trying to decide which of them would have the extra to get us higher than that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
After this season, a mid-table finish in 2012-13 would do me just fine.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 16, 2012, 08:39:03 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
After this season, a mid-table finish in 2012-13 would do me just fine.

 Adjust expectations accordingly to manager and players bought/sold. You never know!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 16, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
After this season, a mid-table finish in 2012-13 would do me just fine.
You're hired,step forward manager of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.

Randy arrived this morning.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on May 16, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
After this season, a mid-table finish in 2012-13 would do me just fine.
You're hired,step forward manager of Aston Villa.

Who is this Step Forward bloke? Is he a cousin of that Stollen Bakecake that Dogheads have hired?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 16, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: James on May 16, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on May 16, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
After this season, a mid-table finish in 2012-13 would do me just fine.
You're hired,step forward manager of Aston Villa.

Who is this Step Forward bloke? Is he a cousin of that Stollen Bakecake that Dogheads have hired?
Cousins.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 16, 2012, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 16, 2012, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.

Di Matteo is not a good manager. Chelsea's run of form has everything to do with Di Matteo letting Lampard, Terry et al play they want to rather than any tactical nouse. They've just been playing how Mourinho had them play.
Totally agree.
Giving the power back to the players is what has given Robbie (as they call him) the performances that were missing under AVB.
Not the man for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.

Randy arrived this morning.

That doesn't tie-in with TLP's post, what would be the point in arriving now when he wouldn't be able to speak to the bloke till probably at least next Monday?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
I dont know, but apparently he arrived in the UK this morning.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
claret and blue blood's post has convinced me so i'm changing tact

Bill McNeil
Venglos
DOL
MON
Mcleish

So on that basis
McCarthy - fuck off
Lambert - fuck off
Rodgers - fuck off
Martinez - fuck off


Going for Di matteo or 'other'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
claret and blue blood's post has convinced me so i'm changing tact

Bill McNeil
Venglos
DOL
MON
Mcleish

So on that basis
McCarthy - fuck off
Lambert - fuck off
Rodgers - fuck off
Martinez - fuck off


Going for Di matteo or 'other'
er wise words mate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
I'm guessing Mazrim is going for Barbra Streisand this time around after his predictions last year  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
I'm leaning towards Rodgers at the moment, just for the way his Swansea team so expertly picked us apart at Villa Park.  We really did have no answer to their passing and moving.  You could almost see our players thinking "what's he doing, he's running....but he hasn't got the ball!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 16, 2012, 08:57:47 PM
I wonder if anybody at VP has considered Brian McDermott or Nigel Adkins?
Both young*, vibrant and successful managers- I've just googled them so it must be true.

McDermott- Championship, Champ manager of the Year.  But name begins with Mc so probably not for Greg.

Adkins - 2 promotions in as many years, second in Championship.  Not bad!  They sang his name at Scunthorpe...

* compared to Sir Alex.  But then, everybody is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
I'm leaning towards Rodgers at the moment, just for the way his Swansea team so expertly picked us apart at Villa Park.  We really did have no answer to their passing and moving.  You could almost see our players thinking "what's he doing, he's running....but he hasn't got the ball!"

Very true.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
I'm guessing Mazrim is going for Barbra Streisand this time around after his predictions last year  ;)

Ha ha!  I think she'd win Maz's choice by a nose.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 16, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 16, 2012, 08:35:53 PM
I think people are being a bit harsh on Di Matteo. Are people saying if Chelsea win the CL (not that they will) then he had nothing to do with it? From what I remember he brought up WBA playing good passing football, was unlucky to get sack probably because WBA wanted to go for safe option when Hodgson was available. My dad is a wba fan and he was suprised as I when he got sack. Oh he's won the F.A cup. He pulled off some brilliant results too, Napoli in C.L? Maybe he let Chelsea play how they want to. But maybe he deserves credit for acknowledging that doing what AVB wanted to do was too extreme in too short of a time.

Di Matteo did great with the Boggies in the Championship, but in his first 25 PL games he only got 26 points. That's McLeish form. And I don't think he's suddenly become a good PL manager since the Olbiyun sacked him last February (?). I think the Chelsea dressing room has made him look better than he is and I'd be worried if he came to us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 16, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
Greg, you don't know your tack from your tact but otherwise you are well in tune.

I think I will go for Zola for no other reason than my younger son met him at the O2.   Zola claimed that my boy was sitting in his seat but on production of the correct seat stub by my lad Zola was very apologetic and courteous.   I like courtesy in sports stars so Zola gets my vote.   Also if he came I would claim the bragging rights that my son had actually met the owner and the manager.   It's a bit of a convoluted rationale because I have another son who has met everybody who is anybody.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
I'm leaning towards Rodgers at the moment, just for the way his Swansea team so expertly picked us apart at Villa Park.  We really did have no answer to their passing and moving.  You could almost see our players thinking "what's he doing, he's running....but he hasn't got the ball!"


Pat Murphy came out strongly in favour of Rodgers after the Radio 5 Faulkner interview. History has been rewritten by the media about that Swansea match.  I was there in January and what Villa did was what they did for many teams this season - gifted them both goals. Massive Warnock howler after a few mins and then sleepiness early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
I work with the wife of someone who has met Martinez (once) and rates him highly as one of the nicest people in football they have ever met.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 09:06:04 PM
Be interesting to know what Reading and Watford fans think of Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 16, 2012, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 16, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 16, 2012, 08:35:53 PM
I think people are being a bit harsh on Di Matteo. Are people saying if Chelsea win the CL (not that they will) then he had nothing to do with it? From what I remember he brought up WBA playing good passing football, was unlucky to get sack probably because WBA wanted to go for safe option when Hodgson was available. My dad is a wba fan and he was suprised as I when he got sack. Oh he's won the F.A cup. He pulled off some brilliant results too, Napoli in C.L? Maybe he let Chelsea play how they want to. But maybe he deserves credit for acknowledging that doing what AVB wanted to do was too extreme in too short of a time.

Di Matteo did great with the Boggies in the Championship, but in his first 25 PL games he only got 26 points. That's McLeish form. And I don't think he's suddenly become a good PL manager since the Olbiyun sacked him last February (?). I think the Chelsea dressing room has made him look better than he is and I'd be worried if he came to us.
Agreed CJ.
If Chelski win the CL I doubt it will have much to do with Di Matteo's suddenly being a brilliant manager, more to do with the players playing the way they want to.

Rodgers for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 16, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
Gone right off lambert. Its the MON thing i guess. Not so much that i think he's a clone of him, more Lerner does.

Greg - have you watched Norwich? They play nothing at all like a MON team. For starters they are not a counter attacking team by nature. They had a pretty decent home record because they attack the opposition. Lambert played for MON at Celtic - so what? Lambert has shown that he not only has a plan B, but a C as well if he needs it. We all know MON had a plan A, and if that didn't work, he'd go to plan A again.

He has also whisper it played under McLeish and Otto Hitzfeld and Craig Brown so I  dare  say he has been good enough to pick up the good bits and disregard the bad bits of each coach - not that Hitzfeld had many bad ones.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 16, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
I work with the wife of someone who has met Martinez (once) and rates him highly as one of the nicest people in football they have ever met.
Pretty much the same was said of AM.
Nice guy.
Pity he's such a shit manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 16, 2012, 09:05:17 PM
I work with the wife of someone who has met Martinez (once) and rates him highly as one of the nicest people in football they have ever met.

I wish you well at your solstice hippy love-ins, but we'd settle for a complete cnut that won us a trophy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 16, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I'm still hearing that Roberto Di Matteo is the preferred choice of those at Villa Park who matter. Also preliminary talks have been held.
He's not my first choice but I could live with it.
And by the way, I wont say on here where I get my info from, but it is a fairly decent source.
Apparently Randy is due in the UK on Friday and an announcement will be made early next week.
As I say, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger.
With a CL Final being prepared for, I cant believe that to be true.

As much as hes resurrected Chelskis season, I've also heard a few bad things about Di Matteo at Baggies so dont think he would be suitable for us and have struck him off my short list.
I'm not saying that face to face talks have been held, But I heard that within a couple of days of the Bolton game enquiries were made club to club about RDM's future and we were told that we can have first dibs at the end of the season come what may. Which says more about Chelsea's search for a new manager than it does about us. But I wont be too surprised to see Ray Wilkins installed as DOF and RDM as first team coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
I'm guessing Mazrim is going for Barbra Streisand this time around after his predictions last year  ;)

I'll probably regret asking this but... remind me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 16, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
Alex McLeish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
I wonder what Sven's doing at the moment...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 16, 2012, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
I wish you well at your solstice hippy love-ins, but we'd settle for a complete cnut that won us a trophy.
Strangely enough one of those has just become available.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
I'm guessing Mazrim is going for Barbra Streisand this time around after his predictions last year  ;)

I'll probably regret asking this but... remind me.

Sorry Maz, but it still tickles me after all this time.

Quote from: Mazrim on June 12, 2011, 03:10:36 PM
Its not bad news, its just a bookie's odds.
McLeish isnt going to be Villa manager any more than Barbara Streissand.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
Quote from: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
I wonder what Sven's doing at the moment...

My source tells me he's balls deep in some glamourpuss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
I'm guessing Mazrim is going for Barbra Streisand this time around after his predictions last year  ;)

I'll probably regret asking this but... remind me.

Sorry Maz, but it still tickles me after all this time.

Quote from: Mazrim on June 12, 2011, 03:10:36 PM
Its not bad news, its just a bookie's odds.
McLeish isnt going to be Villa manager any more than Barbara Streissand.
 

Ah, well you see, Big nose was supposed to be first choice but she couldn't make it so...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 16, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
Quote from: Rancid custard on May 16, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
I wonder what Sven's doing at the moment...

My source tells me he's balls deep in some glamourpuss.

Russian whores in the Dorchester Hotel if he follows his pattern.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 16, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
Greg, you don't know your tack from your tact but otherwise you are well in tune.

I think I will go for Zola for no other reason than my younger son met him at the O2.   Zola claimed that my boy was sitting in his seat but on production of the correct seat stub by my lad Zola was very apologetic and courteous.   I like courtesy in sports stars so Zola gets my vote.   Also if he came I would claim the bragging rights that my son had actually met the owner and the manager.   It's a bit of a convoluted rationale because I have another son who has met everybody who is anybody.

See my previous comment on a similar theme. Some irrelevant nonsense about Martinez being a puppy dog/ teddy bear. Ron Saunders was not a baby kisser. Save that sentimentality for your family. What we must have is a competitive sports team, without a care for their cuddle quota.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Lambert still favourite

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2012, 09:06:04 PM
Be interesting to know what Reading and Watford fans think of Rodgers.

See that'd be my concern, he failed pretty terribly at both those clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 16, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
Lambert still favourite

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager
Lambert for me please. Come on Randy get it right this time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
The Scottish guy has gone hasn't he? It's not some deception designed to fool us into thinking he's been sacked just to give season ticket sales a boost? Then In a month's time, PK introduces us to the dream team what is mad alex and mad mick?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

The colours are garish and the technology is antiquated.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 16, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

That inter-family marriage doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

That inter-family marriage doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets.



and they will continue to throw stones at the moon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................

Sorry I don't want anyone who thinks it is acceptable to give a Nazi salute. No to Di Canio - too much baggage.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: LeeB on May 16, 2012, 09:54:34 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

The iron horse could be a good thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 16, 2012, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

"We need a new server, a new layout, and new mods."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 16, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

Conditions aren't conducive to great surfing at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
 :) I can set em up, you lot put them away...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 16, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Ian Taylor said on Sky yesterday that we had to get it "spot on" this time, whilst I agree totally with that I still have a certain dread as to who we actually end up with.
It would be cruel beyond words to be relieved of that ginger monster only to see him replaced with another dinosaur like McCarthy (in fact experience should tell Lerner to rule out any candidate who's name stars with "Mc")
I would love to see them just go for it with the likes of Zola or Di canio with a number 2 like Clarke and attack every team who comes to Villa park!
Here's hoping.......................................................................................

Sorry I don't want anyone who thinks it is acceptable to give a Nazi salute. No to Di Canio - too much baggage.
Given our pre war history, and my personal views on "Modern Fascism" which Di Cannio espouses, if he rocked up at Villa Park, then I would never set foot inside the ground while he was there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?

That inter-family marriage doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets.



and they will continue to throw stones at the moon
and point at aeroplanes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?


you mean tractors with wings

That inter-family marriage doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets.



and they will continue to throw stones at the moon
and point at aeroplanes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
The barley in the nether field is needing a spell of sun.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 16, 2012, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 16, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
The barley in the nether field is needing a spell of sun.
Is that a euphemism?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 16, 2012, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?
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That inter-family marriage doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets.



and they will continue to throw stones at the moon
and point at aeroplanes

you mean tractors with wings  ;)
Title: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: sonlyme on May 16, 2012, 10:10:03 PM
Oh dear - the Birmingham Mail has weighed in with another of it's readers polls about who the next Villa supremo should be.  These polls usually consist of an unpaid intern wandering around the Fort shopping centre asking the retired and the jobless for a quote - it doesn't matter if they've been down the Villa in the last 200 years - or indeed if they are a bitter Bluenose - there are empty pages to fill - and fill them they will.

The Mail proclaims the Villa fans choice as Mr Paul Lambert.

(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article808544.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Norwich-City-Manchester-City-LAMBERT-Premier-League+cropped)

But hang on - I'm acutely aware that at the moment I am suffering from post traumatic stress disorder - as are you.  In fact - if you'd have offered me Keith Harris and Orville as the new coaching team instead of McLeish and Grant - I would have said yes - such was my desperation.  And desperation and judgement do not good bed fellows make. We've got to face it - we don't want to make a mistake on the rebound.

So with this in mind I have done some thinking about Mr Lambert and the Villa.  And there is some great news...

He is not Alec McLeish.

But apart from that - is he the right man to lead Villa into a new era?

Because let's not kid ourselves - that is what it is.  We are on a path of producing more homegrown talent - we aren't going to be Man City or Chelsea.  We can't buy a new team.  Though the owner has shown he will buy big in key areas as with Darren Bent.   This could be a minus - or it could be a plus.  A definite plus is Villa's Academy and youth set ups - both are among the best in the country.  And check out our reserves - kids all - and section winners for the fourth time in five years.

So it's not all gloom.

I hear some say that our kids are not good enough - not star names - not world class.

I think they can be ... with the right coach.

Which leads me the the Mail's choice - Mr Lambert.  No doubt - the boy done good.  But what is it he did?  How did he do it?  I post some links now - links that make interesting reading.  They are about style and methodology.

http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/ (http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/)

If you want a version of MON football - then Lambert's your man.

But if like me - you yearn to watch football - to see a team grow and develop and achieve something together then I think there is a better candidate.

(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brendan+Rodgers+Swansea+City+v+Ipswich+Town+qgjZmUld676l.jpg)

And some links why...

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/features/premier-league-features/the-myth-of-swanseas-attacking-football/ (http://www.totalfootballmag.com/features/premier-league-features/the-myth-of-swanseas-attacking-football/)

http://footballblog.co.uk/swansea-city-a-touch-of-pass.html (http://footballblog.co.uk/swansea-city-a-touch-of-pass.html)

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=eng/news/newsid=1741772.html (http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/association=eng/news/newsid=1741772.html)

I love the last paragraph in the UEFA article - that is what I want from a Villa manager - it's all I've ever wanted from a Villa manager.

He started as a youth team coach under Jose Mourinho - and was then promoted to reserve team coach.  He served his managerial apprenticeship in the lower leagues - sometimes failing but never dishonest - always seeking to improve.  To me he is the perfect fit for Kevin Mac and Gordon - they will speak the same language - but he also has something they don't - charisma and vision.

He has been invited to join up with the Spanish national side for a few days by Del Bosque.  He is a man who commands respect among football folk around Europe.

You may disagree with me - that's fine - but let's try to talk about facts where we can in this - and get the message clearly across to Mr Lerner and the rather stiff and not very football savvy Mr Faulkner - that we need to appoint a coach with a football philosophy - a real vision - not just a CV that reads well on paper. 

So to those of you who think our kids are not 'star' material - or not 'world class' - tell me who Swansea bought this season?  The big money signings?   The Star Names?
 
So Birmingham Mail reader (I know there's at least two of you) - the Villa need more than a manager to bring the fans back into Villa Park - we need someone to believe in - we need, in truth, a new messiah - and after the last 12 months - we deserve one - I just don't think it's the one you are pedaling.

Just my 2 pence - and can we get on with it before the Scousers move in please...

UTV

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?
With your mother, sister and animals no problem.
with your brother, father or any other male relative, mmm, maybe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
now steve clarke has walked I think he could be useful to snap up on the coaching side
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: danlanza on May 16, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
The best post i have read on here since i joined. Top candidate and would be fantastic at Villa. All the qualities that we should be looking for as our next manager.Great,informative post.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 16, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
What's the general consensus on the Norwich boards?
With your mother, sister and animals no problem.
with your brother, father or any other male relative, mmm, maybe.
You have to shout the Norfolk Mating Cry Les be avin yer
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
now steve clarke has walked I think he could be useful to snap up on the coaching side

Good call
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
I agree Rodgers is better than Lambert but they're both touched by the Scottish/Irish Villa curse


and swansea spent 8 million nett on players last season which is 28m nett more than we did.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
You disappoint me sir, I clicked on this thread looking for an argument.
I can't fault your logic, Rodgers is my first choice too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 16, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
Yes, I agree. But most managers have coaching set ups already.
If they haven't or wnat another though he's a goodun.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
I'd be delighted with either. And we've already got a managers thread.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 16, 2012, 10:22:37 PM
Rodgers looks worryingly like Phil Thompson in that pic
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:23:21 PM
Well constucted arguement, I am convinced
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 10:23:22 PM
Managers have to bring their own with them, it doesn't work otherwise. Clarke does have a good rep though
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 16, 2012, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 16, 2012, 10:23:22 PM
Managers have to bring their own with them, it doesn't work otherwise. Clarke does have a good rep though

him and Zola ?  with maybe a D of F
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 16, 2012, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 16, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 16, 2012, 08:57:11 PM
I'm leaning towards Rodgers at the moment, just for the way his Swansea team so expertly picked us apart at Villa Park.  We really did have no answer to their passing and moving.  You could almost see our players thinking "what's he doing, he's running....but he hasn't got the ball!"


Pat Murphy came out strongly in favour of Rodgers after the Radio 5 Faulkner interview. History has been rewritten by the media about that Swansea match.  I was there in January and what Villa did was what they did for many teams this season - gifted them both goals. Massive Warnock howler after a few mins and then sleepiness early in the 2nd half.

That is the one game I attended last season and they were a joy to watch, unlike Villa. Very sad but true.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
I'd be delighted with either. And we've already got a managers thread.

meh. that sort of effort deserves a new thread
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
If you look at Rodgers' record, though, it's not that impressive. I say that having just this minute looked at it for the first time.

Watford (7 months) P32 W13 D7 L12 Win rate 40.63%

Reading (6 months)  P23 W6 D6 L11 Win rate 26%

Swansea (22 months) P96 W43 D20 L33 Win rate 44.79%

Looking at that, he tore up no trees at Watford or Reading, then moved to Swansea, got promoted, and kept them up.

What concerns me is how much of the way things are set up at Swansea is about Rodgers, and how much is about the work of those who went before him.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 10:31:40 PM
If we can't have Hoddle because he once made comments about the disabled, and can't have Di Canio because he has political beliefs that defy belief, and if we can't have others for similar non-footballing reasons, then why the clamour for Ray Wilkins, a man who has this month been charged with drink driving? Is that double standards or is that misdemeanour more acceptable?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 16, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
Im a Rodgers fan as well. The guy is fluent in Spainsh and has been travelling to Spain an Holland learning coacing styles and methods for the last 10 years. He's certainly served his apprenticeship. Yet if you listen to that nob Dave Whelan you'd think Martinez was the new Guardiola, yet Rodgers has done more in his first season in the Prem than Martinez has done since he joined wigan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.
Do you have any evidence that they like or even know each other?
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 10:38:31 PM
sonlyme, you have posted a couple of times in the past two days and on each occasion you really made me question my faith in Lambert. Great arguments and well articulated.

I still think I favour Lambert, slightly. By your third post I'll probably have changed my mind!
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
lots of managers are crap to start with. Its whether they learn from their mistakes. I'm not sure i'd want another manager who's never failed like MON before he came here
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 16, 2012, 10:40:21 PM
Clarke will go back to Chelsea, no?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
lots of managers are crap to start with. Its whether they learn from their mistakes. I'm not sure i'd want another manager who's never failed like MON before he came here
exactly, you learn more through adversity than success, I dont think Ron Saunders record was that great before he arrived.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus

Mind you, after last year, our squad shouldn't need any instruction in bus parking.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 16, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
but would Randy pay the £5 million compensation  clause in the manager’s recent contract
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
lots of managers are crap to start with. Its whether they learn from their mistakes. I'm not sure i'd want another manager who's never failed like MON before he came here
exactly, you learn more through adversity than success, I dont think Ron Saunders record was that great before he arrived.


heh. it wasn't bad, but then we're talking mere mortals here
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
Where did we get Saunders from?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus

Mind you, after last year, our squad shouldn't need any instruction in bus parking.

Is the idea of bus parking to not concede? If so ours need a lesson in not overshooting the bus by about a goals width!
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: sonlyme on May 16, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
What concerns me is how much of the way things are set up at Swansea is about Rodgers, and how much is about the work of those who went before him.


It's a fair comment.  But I'm trusting what I saw with my eyes at Villa Park - a team of no-names passing the ball around us like we were a pub team.  Whoever gets it - it is always a leap of faith.

Everyone else...

I only favour Rodgers because I think he will be a better fit with our permanent coaches - KMac and Sid etc.   Can you see them working well together or not?  Let's try an experiement.  Imagine Sam Allardyce or Mark Hughes getting the job.  Do they gel with what we have here? I just get the sense such personalities don't fit with what we do at the grass roots.

In the end - I would take any of three leading candidates.  I just want people to think calmly about who we are and what we want.  Success can take care of itself.

I keep seeing mention of the club not wanting to pay compensation.  There is no more important role at a football club than that of manager - everything starts there - the good and the bad.  What is more important - a game changing manager - or a midfielder from the Championship?- because that is what that money will buy.

I posted this as a new thread as the original is too massive to read - and I want to see if the Mail really do represent the majority of Villa fans. 

But thank you for taking the time to write a line complaining about this being a new thread....
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
Where did we get Saunders from?

Unemployment. He'd been sacked by Manchester City.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: not3bad on May 16, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
As Doug would say, Rogers was always my first choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 11:01:34 PM
Simon Grayson has gone 2nd favorite with betfair ????
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 16, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
On the nail T.L.P
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:02:48 PM
Good point re Cowans and the youth. Bad point is the hoofers. Can you see Dunne and collins confidently keeping the ball from the opposition through the medium of controlled accurate passing? I'd pay to see it but its not gonna happen
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:03:11 PM
And Brendan's like a son to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa74 on May 16, 2012, 11:04:20 PM
Ian holloway for me, got the balls to sort the first team out, plays exciting football would get the best out of the squad we have got, at least you could go to the match and know the lads would give everything they have got as all his teams seem to want to play for him. The fans turn up in good numbers every week even when they went down the attendances have stayed stable. I know some will highlight the fact Blackpool went down but I remember him saying when they first got promoted that it may have come to soon for them as a club. I think given the structure at villa and a bit of randy's money he would do a decent job for us. Life would not be boring under his management. Obviously if they beat big sam's team at the weekend that may make it difficult.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 16, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
What concerns me is how much of the way things are set up at Swansea is about Rodgers, and how much is about the work of those who went before him.


It's a fair comment.  But I'm trusting what I saw with my eyes at Villa Park - a team of no-names passing the ball around us like we were a pub team.  Whoever gets it - it is always a leap of faith.

I saw it, too, and i was extremely impressed. They were the best side i saw us play last year. If we are going to appoint based to any degree on that, then I just want us to be sure it's actually him.

Quote
I posted this as a new thread as the original is too massive to read - and I want to see if the Mail really do represent the majority of Villa fans. 

But thank you for taking the time to write a line complaining about this being a new thread....

Errr, I didn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 16, 2012, 11:06:44 PM
Quote from: villa74 on May 16, 2012, 11:04:20 PM
Ian holloway for me, got the balls to sort the first team out, plays exciting football would get the best out of the squad we have got, at least you could go to the match and know the lads would give everything they have got as all his teams seem to want to play for him. The fans turn up in good numbers every week even when they went down the attendances have stayed stable. I know some will highlight the fact Blackpool went down but I remember him saying when they first got promoted that it may have come to soon for them as a club. I think given the structure at villa and a bit of randy's money he would do a decent job for us. Life would not be boring under his management. Obviously if they beat big sam's team at the weekend that may make it difficult.
He's just a bell end, no thanks.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 11:07:22 PM
Rodgers would be great. However, as I've said before, the vast majority of Villa fans at games shout abuse at the players when they don't get anywhere within 10 seconds of getting the ball. "fucking get it forward" is an example after three passes between the defence to midfield and back again. If you've seen Swansea this year they pass the ball forever before getting anywhere, which according to Rodgers in The Guardian is as much about allowing the players to rest for a minute as you can only rest when you have the ball. I think he'd be a good choice, but I just worry that Villa fans (at games, who I think, on the whole, are different to those who post on here) will not give him the time he needs to change us into a (hopefully) better version of Swansea. Look what happened under GH when players tried passing the ball without always getting somewhere - the fans got on his back. It'd be a tough job for him and one he'd maybe not want the hassle of (though I hope I'm wrong).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
so what you do is throw  5 people together, allocate different responsibilities regardless of thier existing positions, history or particular merits. Assume they are all going to slot into this structure you have designed for them and hey presto you have the soloution. yes very good, have you tried Management Consulting?
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 11:07:22 PM
Rodgers would be great. However, as I've said before, the vast majority of Villa fans at games shout abuse at the players. "fucking get it forward" is an example after three passes between the defence to midfield and back again. If you've seen Swansea this year they pass the ball forever before getting anywhere, which according to Rodgers in The Guardian is as much about allowing the players to rest for a minute as you can only rest when you have the ball. I think he'd be a good choice, but I just worry that Villa fans (at games, who I think, on the whole, are different to those who post on here) will not give him the time he needs to change us into a (hopefully) better version of Swansea. Look what happened under GH when players tried passing the ball without always getting somewhere - the fans got on his back. It'd be a tough job for him and one he'd maybe not want the hassle of (though I hope I'm wrong).

Don't underestimate the impact of a year of what we've just watched, though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.


Clarke was with Zola at West Ham wasn't he?

Also, how much do we know about Di Matteo tactically? It is one thing doing it with Chlesea and their players, all motivated to play for an old boy as they fight for their careers at the club, quite another to rebuild the Villa.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
Excellent post Dave, but had anyone else posted it, it would've been locked or merged with a disparaging comment from a mod.

My argument against Rodgers is the same as others. It's what he'll inherit here rather than what he could do given time, because three years he hasn't got, never will have with us fans will he? We need someone to come in and make what he's inherited work immediately, and then build on that. Ergo, Lambert is the obvious choice, not Rodgers. His track record shows failure unless he inherits a set up that suits him, and by Christ the Villa players won't suit him!
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 16, 2012, 11:07:22 PM
Rodgers would be great. However, as I've said before, the vast majority of Villa fans at games shout abuse at the players. "fucking get it forward" is an example after three passes between the defence to midfield and back again. If you've seen Swansea this year they pass the ball forever before getting anywhere, which according to Rodgers in The Guardian is as much about allowing the players to rest for a minute as you can only rest when you have the ball. I think he'd be a good choice, but I just worry that Villa fans (at games, who I think, on the whole, are different to those who post on here) will not give him the time he needs to change us into a (hopefully) better version of Swansea. Look what happened under GH when players tried passing the ball without always getting somewhere - the fans got on his back. It'd be a tough job for him and one he'd maybe not want the hassle of (though I hope I'm wrong).

Don't underestimate the impact of a year of what we've just watched, though.

I honestly don't think that will change that attitude from the fans.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: James on May 16, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
Excellent post Dave, but had anyone else posted it, it would've been locked or merged with a disparaging comment from a mod.

So, who did post it, then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
Ian Holloway = BFR MkII.  It will be lots of fun but you just know that it will end in tears.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
so what you do is throw  5 people together, allocate different responsibilities regardless of thier existing positions, history or particular merits. Assume they are all going to slot into this structure you have designed for them and hey presto you have the soloution. yes very good, have you tried Management Consulting?

At least two of those people being demoted and a further two sacked.
Title: Re: The Birmingham Mail and the will of the people.
Post by: James on May 16, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: James on May 16, 2012, 11:08:54 PM
Excellent post Dave, but had anyone else posted it, it would've been locked or merged with a disparaging comment from a mod.

So, who did post it, then?

I'm bloody seeing things! Unreserved apologies people, but I'm still surprised that it hasn't been merged/locked!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 11:11:12 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
so what you do is throw  5 people together, allocate different responsibilities regardless of thier existing positions, history or particular merits. Assume they are all going to slot into this structure you have designed for them and hey presto you have the soloution. yes very good, have you tried Management Consulting?

At least two of those people being demoted and a further two sacked.
And you wonder why Management Consultants get a bad press.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
Yeah all the brilliant work done by Tony McAndrew and Bryan Jones goes out the window, Mark Delaney ends up where?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:17:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
Yeah all the brilliant work done by Tony McAndrew and Bryan Jones goes out the window, Mark Delaney ends up where?
They get special projects including lots of bibs and cones action.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:21:33 PM
well that worked well. now neither thread makes sense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:22:35 PM
Brilliant, sure they will be delighted. Balotelli needs his own bib and cone coach, so maybe we could loan one of them out.


Maybe we have abolished the prem rule and are not even looking at anyone over here. Must be some bloody good, young coaches in other countries. What about France Darren? Or Portugal? Holland?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
so what you do is throw  5 people together, allocate different responsibilities regardless of thier existing positions, history or particular merits. Assume they are all going to slot into this structure you have designed for them and hey presto you have the soloution. yes very good, have you tried Management Consulting?
If you can't see the connection in the careers of Wilkins and Cowans, Wilkins, Di Matteo and Clarke and add to that the way they all played the game and you still say they are a badly matched bunch. I can only think that you're just looking for an argument. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
Obviously under the TLP structure Wilkins and his team will need plenty of off site meetings to round off the edges off the new structure, create a think tank experience and involve themselves in out of the box and blue sky thinking whilst strategising and formulating management protocols for the new tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Wilkins DOF, RDM Head Coach, Clarke Asst.Coach.  Now there's a thought.
Although I keep saying that RDM isn't my first choice, imagining those three working together with Sid and K Mac does make my mouth water.

That would be four coaches. It's more than Bowen's.
I think he wants us to park the bus
If all their responsibilities were properly delineated, Wilkins upstairs overseeing scouting and sorting out contracts etc, Di Matteo and Clarke in charge of the day to day running of the first team, K Mac in charge of the reserves and Sid looking after the Academy I can't see there being a problem. Add to that the idea that when it comes to a football philosophy they all seem to think the same way, it could lead to that smooth progression from promising youngster to fully fledged first team member with out the culture shock that some of our youngsters seemed to experience in the season just finished.
so what you do is throw  5 people together, allocate different responsibilities regardless of thier existing positions, history or particular merits. Assume they are all going to slot into this structure you have designed for them and hey presto you have the soloution. yes very good, have you tried Management Consulting?
If you can't see the connection in the careers of Wilkins and Cowans, Wilkins, Di Matteo and Clarke and add to that the way they all played the game and you still say they are a badly matched bunch. I can only think that you're just looking for an argument. ;)
Not looking for an arguement its just that your original post on the subject does not make any sense.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 16, 2012, 11:31:46 PM
TLP how are going to afford that lot?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 16, 2012, 11:34:43 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 16, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
Obviously under the TLP structure Wilkins and his team will need plenty of off site meetings to round off the edges off the new structure, create a think tank experience and involve themselves in out of the box and blue sky thinking whilst strategising and formulating management protocols for the new tomorrow.
Not at all. I just can't bear the idea of the Villa being dragged unwillingly into the twenty first century in 2068.
Do we really have to repeat the mistakes of the past and wait until the middle of the century before we decide to catch up?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2012, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 16, 2012, 10:58:07 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 16, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
Where did we get Saunders from?

Unemployment. He'd been sacked by Manchester City.

I thought we got him from Norwich? I was trying to compare him with Lambert. Must check my facts in future...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.

Couldn't see it online - link?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.

Couldn't see it online - link?

Admittedly the article is about the running for the Liverpool job. Just says as their sources say he isn't interested in the Villa job the Liverpool job might be to his liking. Not a lot of substance but I hope this doesn't drag on like last time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.

Couldn't see it online - link?

Doesn't say anything much - just 'not thought to be interested'. Here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-sacking-contenders).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 16, 2012, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.

OFFS... Hoping they're wrong. Deja Vu. How bloody far has our star fallen in two years?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2012, 11:45:00 PM
Thanks both.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:45:11 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 16, 2012, 11:40:27 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 16, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Guardian reporting that Lambert isn't interested in Villa job.

Couldn't see it online - link?

Admittedly the article is about the running for the Liverpool job. Just says as their sources say he isn't interested in the Villa job the Liverpool job might be to his liking. Not a lot of substance but I hope this doesn't drag on like last time.

It doesn't even have the term 'sources say' in it. Its as much conjecture as any other story.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nirog72 on May 16, 2012, 11:48:49 PM
I'm a bit concerned that Randy's billions are in fact Brewsters Millions and he is attempting to waste as much money as possible on shit appointments and then relieving them of their duties. If it is the case though, I don't mind driving him around for £10k a day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO

Wrong forum Greg. You want something more like this:

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:51:32 PM
Abroad what about the Lille manager? How easy would it be to prize a top manager from an inferior league?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 16, 2012, 11:54:39 PM
With a good director of football I would go for Paul Clement - he fits the criteria, not a big enough name for some of the fans but as good as anyone else being linked with us so far

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18071937

Talking of criteria I have not seen any mention of Premier League experience being a requirement this time or is that just a given ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2012, 11:54:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 16, 2012, 11:51:32 PM
Abroad what about the Lille manager? How easy would it be to prize a top manager from an inferior league?

Rudi Garcia? Good shout, still only around 48, lots to prove, great tactically and plays excellent football. Don't know if he speaks English though. I'd look in Holland or Germany, lots of good, intelligent, attacking young managers good with young players there, and their English is probably better than ours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 17, 2012, 12:04:27 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?
Neil Lennon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?

oh just ignore me Stu . Been in a vile mood all week
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?

oh just ignore me Stu . Been in a vile mood all week

As opposed to.....?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:04:27 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?
Neil Lennon.

Ahahahaha. Whatever happened to that guy who used to bang on about sub-par Scandinavian players all the while? John Blackwell?

I'd love to read some of his input on this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?

oh just ignore me Stu . Been in a vile mood all week

As opposed to.....?

yeah well... you hardly come across all fluffy and lightness. It's the Villa "condition"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 12:14:21 AM
Unai Emery, has just left Valencia after finishing 3rd in Spain 3 seasons running with a club who have massive debt and sell their best players every summer. We could do much worse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unai_Emery
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DeKuip on May 17, 2012, 12:18:02 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 12:14:21 AM
Unai Emery, has just left Valencia after finishing 3rd in Spain 3 seasons running with a club who have massive debt and sell their best players every summer.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unai_Emery

and gone to Spartak Moscow
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: atomicjam on May 17, 2012, 12:18:57 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 12:14:21 AM
Unai Emery, has just left Valencia after finishing 3rd in Spain 3 seasons running with a club who have massive debt and sell their best players every summer. We could do much worse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unai_Emery

But that link says he is the new FC Spartak Moscow coach?!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:23:15 AM
well thats probably the shortest new manager link evoh
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:25:06 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 16, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 16, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
I hope he isn't frankly. Celtic career rules him out IMO



Gonna let us know who you'd like yet, or are you still 'looking abroad'?

i'm sorry but this thread has just been merged with "Next weeks planned protest - not in my name", so that makes very little sense at all. Do keep up.

Last night, when you were wound up something rotten, you said you'd be 'looking abroad' for a manager. Going to let us know who you'd like?

oh just ignore me Stu . Been in a vile mood all week

As opposed to.....?

yeah well... you hardly come across all fluffy and lightness. It's the Villa "condition"

Where do you get it from then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:29:44 AM
Dunno Dave. where do you get it from?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 12:29:57 AM
Quote from: atomicjam on May 17, 2012, 12:18:57 AM
Quote from: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 12:14:21 AM
Unai Emery, has just left Valencia after finishing 3rd in Spain 3 seasons running with a club who have massive debt and sell their best players every summer. We could do much worse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unai_Emery

But that link says he is the new FC Spartak Moscow coach?!

DOH !!!! That will teach me to read the whole page ! When he left Valencia I thought he would be a good shout, didn't realize he was already employed - sorry folks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:29:44 AM
Dunno Dave. where do you get it from?

Typical Greg. One day you'll say something that's original, positive and adds to a debate rather than your usual stream of negativity. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 12:39:55 AM
We were linked briefly with Ralf Ragnick at one point too weren't we? There must be equivalents to Lambert et al in say Holland or Germany.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:41:06 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:29:44 AM
Dunno Dave. where do you get it from?

Typical Greg. One day you'll say something that's original, positive and adds to a debate rather than your usual stream of negativity. 


a tad unfair Dave. I like you for starters. thats pretty original, positive and adds to the debate no?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:29:44 AM
Dunno Dave. where do you get it from?

Typical Greg. One day you'll say something that's original, positive and adds to a debate rather than your usual stream of negativity.

Seen a lot of mention about Cowans and MacDonald in these posts.  Are they totally blame free for what has happened this season?  Rumour has it that potential candidates were told that those two had to be on the staff last summer and that this was a major reason a couple of managers turned us down.  Should these two be kept on in the first team set up or should the new man be allowed to bring his own backroom staff in?

Edit - wasn't meant to quote the above!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 12:39:55 AM
We were linked briefly with Ralf Ragnick at one point too weren't we? There must be equivalents to Lambert et al in say Holland or Germany.



We've got the Dutch scouting network in place (provided Numan hasn't walked out with his mate) so let's try to look there. Frank de Boer wouldn't be too bad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
According to The Guardian, Lambert is not interested in us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-sacking-contenders
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 

I've said it before, but given the success the reserves have, we should be doing better with getting them into the first team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 12:54:40 AM
Rangnick would be great. If the board are looking for someone young, intelligent and forward-thinking to reinvigorate the club, he fits the bill beautifully.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 

I've said it before, but given the success the reserves have, we should be doing better with getting them into the first team.


they're not that good though. the reserves is a bad standard
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 

I've said it before, but given the success the reserves have, we should be doing better with getting them into the first team.

Agree with that Dave and I think it would be a lot easier for some of the younger lads to make the transition if they were stepping up into a first team containing exerienced pros.  The fact that so many of them have featured all together and the established players have been really struggling has not helped them in the slightest.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 

I've said it before, but given the success the reserves have, we should be doing better with getting them into the first team.


they're not that good though. the reserves is a bad standard

I do think we are slow at getting the kids a season first team football on loan. Looking at Lichaj and Herd, they have clearly benefited from it.

Liverpool appear to be looking at AVB, Rodgers, Klopp and Deschamps.

If I were Martinez I would be making sure Villa knew I wanted it now, because there is no better time to come to us, we are on our knees and anything above 10th next season will be hailed as genius, he could massively boost his reputation by realistically getting par with us over the next 3-4 years. I reckon after all the talk, he is still the most likely that the board will go back for, but may well be waiting till Liverpool appoint, knowing they were going to sack KKK, and knowing that not being considered would be a wake up call for Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:18:03 AM
Look i think we've got some fine kids but top 6 players? mebbe 2. currently on personal opinion. Probably another 2 premiership average players, the rest i'd say vary from Championship to non-league. Probably pays for itself in transfers, but I certainly don't think we've got a core to push for the higher reaches of the premierrship. Its happened once to the richest club in the land and they've done very little on the youth front now for 15 years even with many times vaster resources than us. Pie in the sky if thats what lerner is counting on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:18:35 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
What's the backroom numbers at spurs?
They have a coach for every player.

True, but I can see some potential managers not being keen on the idea of being told they have to have certain people already at the club on their backroom staff.   Also, as much as I like them, do MacDonald and Cowans get a free pass when the team is not doing well? 

I've said it before, but given the success the reserves have, we should be doing better with getting them into the first team.


they're not that good though. the reserves is a bad standard

I do think we are slow at getting the kids a season first team football on loan. Looking at Lichaj and Herd, they have clearly benefited from it.

Liverpool appear to be looking at AVB, Rodgers, Klopp and Deschamps.

If I were Martinez I would be making sure Villa knew I wanted it now, because there is no better time to come to us, we are on our knees and anything above 10th next season will be hailed as genius, he could massively boost his reputation by realistically getting par with us over the next 3-4 years. I reckon after all the talk, he is still the most likely that the board will go back for, but may well be waiting till Liverpool appoint, knowing they were going to sack KKK, and knowing that not being considered would be a wake up call for Martinez.

Good point about the loans, but to be fair we have needed most of them at the club this season to make up the numbers!! 

As for Martinez, if I were him I would be looking to Spain and the Valencia job at this point.  His stock is pretty high at the moment, and if he went and had a couple of decent seasons in Spain and did fairly well in the Champions League, he could walk into most jobs in Europe in a few years time. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
How is Martinez's stock high when he's just finished 15th?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:18:03 AM
Look i think we've got some fine kids but top 6 players? mebbe 2. currently on personal opinion. Probably another 2 premiership average players, the rest i'd say vary from Championship to non-league. Probably pays for itself in transfers, but I certainly don't think we've got a core to push for the higher reaches of the premierrship. Its happened once to the richest club in the land and they've done very little on the youth front now for 15 years even with many times vaster resources than us. Pie in the sky if thats what lerner is counting on

Agree that we can't look to rely on the youth players coming through.  Who do you reckon the 2 top six and 2 Premiership average players are Greg?  From what I have seen of them, Clark (as a CB), Herd and Weimann look the best of the bunch.  Think Gardner and Carruthers are a little too young to be making a judgement on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 17, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
According to The Guardian, Lambert is not interested in us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-sacking-contenders

Lambert not interested. Martinez going to Liverpool. Oh sweet jeezus.. another journeyman whilst the fans get screwed into another season of hope and disbelief..please Noooo!
Randy, I shall get down on my knees before getting into bed tonight..please Noooo! No that!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:31:59 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
How is Martinez's stock high when he's just finished 15th?

I don't know Dave, but the media seem to be making him out as some kind of genius.  I'm absolutely astounded that he is the favourite to take over a job like Liverpool and personally think that he could get found out once he steps up from a club with low expectations like Wigan.  That's why I think career wise, a move to Spain at this point might make good sense. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:43:13 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 17, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
According to The Guardian, Lambert is not interested in us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-sacking-contenders

Lambert not interested. Martinez going to Liverpool. Oh sweet jeezus.. another journeyman whilst the fans get screwed into another season of hope and disbelief..please Noooo!
Randy, I shall get down on my knees before getting into bed tonight..please Noooo! No that!

Wouldn't get too upset just yet Brian.  Just remember how wide of the mark pretty much all journalists were last summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 01:24:12 AM
How is Martinez's stock high when he's just finished 15th?

Agree dave, he had a good finish to the season but people forget the 2 wins in 28 at the start and just surviving in recent seasons in my view doesnt make him a great manager , lambert and rogers have spent less , won promotions and comfortably held their own in the premiership- id take martinez but he would be 3rd choice out of those 3 for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 05:58:33 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 17, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Quote from: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2012, 12:48:26 AM
According to The Guardian, Lambert is not interested in us.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-sacking-contenders

Lambert not interested. Martinez going to Liverpool. Oh sweet jeezus.. another journeyman whilst the fans get screwed into another season of hope and disbelief..please Noooo!
Randy, I shall get down on my knees before getting into bed tonight..please Noooo! No that!

Not thought to be interested doesnt mean he is not interested, i think lambert will jump at the chance if approached.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 06:41:51 AM
Keep saying it, but any of them should eastie. They will rarely get the opportunity to take over at a big club that has such low expectation, crucially from fans AND media observers. Get us above 10th and have a good cup run, then consolidate it after the last 2 seasons over the next 3-4 and you would be hailed as a managerial master. It is a brilliant job to get right now. Lambert/ Martinez/ Rodgers etc would be off their rocker not to jump at it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheEgo on May 17, 2012, 06:59:42 AM
Joachim Low??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 17, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
The dalglish sacking really isn't helpful to us. Let's hope they move quickly and go for someone we're not interested in.

I don't have much faith in the board's ability not to make a complete hash of this though!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 17, 2012, 07:29:00 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 17, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
The dalglish sacking really isn't helpful to us. Let's hope they move quickly and go for someone we're not interested in.

I don't have much faith in the board's ability not to make a complete hash of this though!

Liverpool will go for a heavy hitter - lack of funds due to KKK's appalling transfer dealings may hinder that but they'll go for it - a Mouriniho type of appointment.  I still have a cheeky feeling that MON might be secretly hoping to get approached.

I'd be amazed if Lamebert, Martinez etc were being considered.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 17, 2012, 07:48:49 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 17, 2012, 07:29:00 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 17, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
The dalglish sacking really isn't helpful to us. Let's hope they move quickly and go for someone we're not interested in.

I don't have much faith in the board's ability not to make a complete hash of this though!

Liverpool will go for a heavy hitter - lack of funds due to KKK's appalling transfer dealings may hinder that but they'll go for it - a Mouriniho type of appointment.  I still have a cheeky feeling that MON might be secretly hoping to get approached.

I'd be amazed if Lamebert, Martinez etc were being considered.

I think this exactly right. Happily the two clubs are looking for different things right now.

Villa is actually the more patient club. We would be happy with a fresh manager playing great football who broke the top ten in his first year. Doing it with younger players and a few transfers.

Liverpool need to qualify for the CL next year and are willing to spend a fair bit if it doesnt happen the manager is out.

Liverpool cant afford to gamble on a lower teams manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 07:51:39 AM
I expect that today is the day we'll hear people ruling themselves out. It's all very well drawing up a shortlist but at some point your candidates have to say whether they're interested or not.

Let's not go too mad if we get a couple of knockbacks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:51:39 AM
I expect that today is the day we'll hear people ruling themselves out. It's all very well drawing up a shortlist but at some point your candidates have to say whether they're interested or not.

Let's not go too mad if we get a couple of knockbacks.
I won't be happy unless some of the more jittery amongst us set themselves on fire in protest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 07:57:21 AM
I've got a bottle of 2-stroke mix for the strimmer. It'll burn a bit smoky but ought to get the job done
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 17, 2012, 07:58:05 AM
So today hopefully is the day Mic, Fat Sam, Curbs and Holloway would rather manage Odd Bins than the Villa. Then we will need a new short list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:51:39 AM
I expect that today is the day we'll hear people ruling themselves out. It's all very well drawing up a shortlist but at some point your candidates have to say whether they're interested or not.

Let's not go too mad if we get a couple of knockbacks.
I won't be happy unless some of the more jittery amongst us set themselves on fire in protest.


i've just cut my finger making sandwiches,  will that do ?     i can see blood if it helps
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
I'm not going to worry any more, history tells us were going to be underwhelmed whatever, if managers such as lambert are going to rule themselves out (I don't believe the guardian to be fair) then were going to have to accept whatever comes our way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:38:52 AM
Would expect liverpool to either go for rafa or avb- cant see martinez or lambert being considered by them , surely randy and faulkner must have discussed this last week and must know who their top target is ,hopefully we will hear of an approach very shortly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 08:46:35 AM
If Mourinho comes in, we'll moan....
If Guardiola comes in, we'll moan...
If McLeish comes in, we'll moan...

When won't we moan?

We're Aston Villa, we'll moan when we want...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 08:48:00 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 08:46:35 AM
If Mourinho comes in, we'll moan....
If Guardiola comes in, we'll moan...
If McLeish comes in, we'll moan...

When won't we moan?


When the boat comes in.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 17, 2012, 08:53:00 AM
An astute candidate for the Villa manager's job would note that there is a lot of easy acclaim to be won for himself as the awful gloom of Houllier and McLeish dissipates.   In much the same way that O'Neill claimed all the credit for Sunderland recovering to a status of mid table mediocrity after Bruce, pretty much any competent manager with ability higher than McCarthy's has an open goal to get him started at Villa Park because he has the triple virtues of not being O'Neill, not being Houllier and not being McLeish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 17, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
One of my students who's good mates with Gary Gardner has been told by him to put a bet on Simon Grayson who apparently was at Villa Park all day yesterday. My student has just put a bet of £80 on it.

You heard it here first (that's something I've always wanted to say but never had the chance!)!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 08:53:57 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news and I thought there is no way on this Earth that it would happen but.....The interest at Villa Park in Mick McCarthy is very serious apparently. I used to work at The Mail and this has come from there. Apparently there is every chance that Mick McCarthy will take over in the very near future.I've even been told to put money on it :(

I hope they are pulling my plonker to be honest.......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
You used to sell the Mail from a box you mean.
I think somebody is indeed pulling your plonker.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
You used to sell the Mail from a box you mean.
I think somebody is indeed pulling your plonker.

No mate not at all. Worked there for 10 years , this has come from Bill Howell. Apparently hes even had a preliminary interview.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 08:46:35 AM
If Mourinho comes in, we'll moan....
If Guardiola comes in, we'll moan...
If McLeish comes in, we'll moan...

When won't we moan?

We're Aston Villa, we'll moan when we want...


i like it,   we are Aston Villa, we'll moan when we want.

i'm going to get that printed on a t shirt
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
McCarthy would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:01:37 AM
Legion will verify my story for me as I used to have a season ticket next to him at VP.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 17, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
You used to sell the Mail from a box you mean.
I think somebody is indeed pulling your plonker.

Never underestimate the stupidity of our board.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 17, 2012, 09:04:54 AM
nothing connected to the bedlam that is aston villa would surprise me. I can just see mad mick polishing those equine size teeth now in readyness for the photoshoot - you know, the one we always get whenever anyone is signed. That's it, holding the shirt up with No 1 on the back and beneath it the legend McFuckwit
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 17, 2012, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
McCarthy would be a disaster.

It would be so bad, it'd almost be funny.

There again, it wouldn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 17, 2012, 09:11:00 AM
the perfect storm's eye is VP once more if anyone of MM's ilk rocks up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
I pray that someone thanks McCarthy for his interest in the club but lets him know that the club wish to take a different direction. As I said I'm still hoping its a wind up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mike on May 17, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
If they're even considering a manager who (effectively) relegated a local tem AGAIN then they've learnt nothing. No one could be that stupid... could they?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
I pray that someone thanks McCarthy for his interest in the club but lets him know that the club wish to take a different direction. As I said I'm still hoping its a wind up.

As ar 99% of us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
There is no interest in Mick McCarthy. You can take that to the bank.
I had no scoop on McLeish and that one was a kick in the nads and a shock to all of us (apart from a couple who knew) but this time I do.
I dont know who it will be but it won't be Mick "Fucking" McCarthy.



...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 09:22:31 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
There is no interest in Mick McCarthy. You can take that to the bank.
I had no scoop on McLeish and that one was a kick in the nads and a shock to all of us (apart from a couple who knew) but this time I do.
I dont know who it will be but it won't be Mick "Fucking" McCarthy.



...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)
Fair play Maz, some people might be a little uneasy in making this sort of statements two years in a row, but not you!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
There is no interest in Mick McCarthy. You can take that to the bank.
I had no scoop on McLeish and that one was a kick in the nads and a shock to all of us (apart from a couple who knew) but this time I do.
I dont know who it will be but it won't be Mick "Fucking" McCarthy.



...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

Mate I'm not trying to wind anybody up and I pray to God you're right, this club has been a laughing stock for far too long and to name him as our next manager seems utterly ludicrous.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:28:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
There is no interest in Mick McCarthy. You can take that to the bank.
I had no scoop on McLeish and that one was a kick in the nads and a shock to all of us (apart from a couple who knew) but this time I do.
I dont know who it will be but it won't be Mick "Fucking" McCarthy.



...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

Hope you're right Maz, because his record for taking Sunderland down and then leading Wolves towards relegation this year should be enough to show what an utter disaster it would be to hire him. It would just be a continuation of Mcleish's disasterous reign.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
Fear not. Typical of The Evening Mail, the left hand doesnt know what the.....etc

http://bit.ly/JQHbXC
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Just going to say the same bob....just saw their website. 
It's going to be a funny week, and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' haven't helped the cause!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:36:30 AM
I would have thought the merciless pisstaking the other night was enough for people not to "go there" again.
They've sacked McLeish because he's shit and the fans have no confidence or connection with him. The last thing they want to do is go through that again and gamble the future of this club on the back of an absolute eejit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:39:15 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
Fear not. Typical of The Evening Mail, the left hand doesnt know what the.....etc

http://bit.ly/JQHbXC

Phew!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

Last season was a farce which didn't transfer to the West End never mind Europe but with that managerial team I reckon we're on our way to Broadway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 17, 2012, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 17, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
One of my students who's good mates with Gary Gardner has been told by him to put a bet on Simon Grayson who apparently was at Villa Park all day yesterday. My student has just put a bet of £80 on it.

You heard it here first (that's something I've always wanted to say but never had the chance!)!!!

Sorry, meant to say Bodymoor Heath, not Villa Park.

I know it's easy to dismiss this, but I've seen his betting slip with £80 on Grayson. 6th Form students don't have much money to burn, so for him to do it...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:43:39 AM
I saw Grayson going in the directors' entrance at the Bolton game. I don't know if I already posted that somewhere. I daresay he's keen for some kind of job at Villa but even he would find it hard to argue that he should be first-team manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:46:05 AM
To be honest chaps, I remember I was at work at The Mail one Saturday some years back. On here somebody mentioned a 'Vassell to Man U' rumour which I repeated to a member of The Sunday Mercury staff. Lo and behold the next day the 'Man Utd are showing serious interest in Darius Vassell'. I guess I should've known better but McLeishgate I think anything is possible until RL repairs the damage.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 17, 2012, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

Last season was a farce which didn't transfer to the West End never mind Europe but with that managerial team I reckon we're on our way to Broadway.

Isnt that by Evesham?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:48:13 AM
Next time you have a drink with your mate, mention that you read on H&V that the Mail is an arsewipe rag. But that he should keep it quiet as the source is very vulnerable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:49:45 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 09:48:13 AM
Next time you have a drink with your mate, mention that you read on H&V that the Mail is an arsewipe rag. But that he should keep it quiet as the source is very vulnerable.

I don't know whether you read my post but the source is Bill Howell.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Merv on May 17, 2012, 09:51:09 AM
Reports in Italy (from Gazzetta Dello Sport) claiming that Capello and Abramovich have met, maybe even reached agreement, on him becoming the new Chelsea manager. Di Matteo would seriously interest me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
Is that good or bad?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
Bill Howell wouldn't know a reliable story if it went back in time and fathered him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
Bill Howell wouldn't know a reliable story if it went back in time and fathered him.

Fair enough my point was that you'd like to think that a source close to the club would carry some sort of credibility.

 It wasn't my mates, dogs, auntys, brothers, sisters, son said that etc
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:55:02 AM
He's not a source close to the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:57:42 AM
Ok, I promise to send my posts directly to you for approval in future ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

No problems mate, I've been on here long enough to know that........ big Mazrim Alpha Male(beats chest)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 10:07:27 AM
Find it hard to believe that the day after Huddersfield made it into the playoff final their manager would then spend the day at Bodymoor Heath. Unless of course they are visiting a female acquaintance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 17, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

No problems mate, I've been on here long enough to know that........ big Mazrim Alpha Male(beats chest)

Don't forget that Maz owes this forum his knackers, after he swore he'd cut them off if Bolton ever spent £8m on a player...just before they bought Anelka for just that amount.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:12:18 AM
Maybe he's a railway enthusiast and just wanted to see the proposed route of HS2 with his own eyes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 10:16:09 AM
OK, here's a prediction:-

Lambert is the man they want and contact has been made.  At least with his agent, if not with Norwich or direct to the man himself.  Norwich have this big friendly with Celtic that I understand Lambert helped arrange on Tuesday 22/5, he has an affinity to them, so wants to be manager for this game.  We'll hear reports of 'farewell' like waves to the crowd after this game, which will spark a media frenzy where they all trip over themselves trying to claim a 'Lambert to Villa' exclusive the next day.

Then, probably on the Thursday, things will become official with confirmation of an approach from villa, but knowing our board they won't name names.  It'll be an open secret it's Lambert and then the deal will be done for a Friday press conference.

Remember - 'you heard it here first'!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
Simon Grayson and Mick McCarthy have been given the courtesy of an interview probably because they applied. Randy would be commiting "Suicide" if he appointed either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 17, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

No problems mate, I've been on here long enough to know that........ big Mazrim Alpha Male(beats chest)

Don't forget that Maz owes this forum his knackers, after he swore he'd cut them off if Bolton ever spent £8m on a player...just before they bought Anelka for just that amount.

I've got them on sat a shelf in a jar here, like the dad in The Wasp Factory.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on May 17, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Why waste time granting unsuitable candidates an interview?  The general approach to recruiting from applicants is to check CVs first for suitably qualified and experienced candidates and select a shortlist from those, binning the rest. It's not as if they can lie about their past, it's a matter of public record with football managers.  Unless they are preparing a "last resort" list, just in case preferred candidates are headhunted and don't want to come.  But then we'd be as well giving Sid and KMac a go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM

...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

What a wonderful idea. Can you imagine them on the pitch before a big match...


Midnight
Not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory?
She is smiling alone
In the lamplight
The withered leaves collect at my feet
And the wind begins to moan


Marvellous.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM

...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

What a wonderful idea. Can you imagine them on the pitch before a big match...


Midnight
Not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory?
She is smiling alone
In the lamplight
The withered leaves collect at my feet
And the wind begins to moan


Marvellous.


we would still end up with Susan Boyle 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

I wasn't having a go at him officer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
Paddypower
Lambert
Villa 5/4
Liverpool 20/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM

...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

What a wonderful idea. Can you imagine them on the pitch before a big match...


Midnight
Not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory?
She is smiling alone
In the lamplight
The withered leaves collect at my feet
And the wind begins to moan


Marvellous.


we would still end up with Susan Boyle 

I would.

Any holes a goal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 17, 2012, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM

...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

What a wonderful idea. Can you imagine them on the pitch before a big match...


Midnight
Not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory?
She is smiling alone
In the lamplight
The withered leaves collect at my feet
And the wind begins to moan


Marvellous.


we would still end up with Susan Boyle 

I would.

Any holes a goal.

Some are own goals though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 17, 2012, 11:01:21 AM
I seem to recall Barry Bannan slated Grayson (after he went on loan at Leeds but didn't play much) - so I'd guess it would be the end for Bannan.

Also, wasn't Grayson involved in the "Jo affair" as dramatised on the Danny Baker show in the 90s?  (Also involving Brian Little).

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/cameroa/joanne.html
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2012, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 10:16:09 AM
OK, here's a prediction:-

Lambert is the man they want and contact has been made.  At least with his agent, if not with Norwich or direct to the man himself.  Norwich have this big friendly with Celtic that I understand Lambert helped arrange on Tuesday 22/5, he has an affinity to them, so wants to be manager for this game.  We'll hear reports of 'farewell' like waves to the crowd after this game, which will spark a media frenzy where they all trip over themselves trying to claim a 'Lambert to Villa' exclusive the next day.

Then, probably on the Thursday, things will become official with confirmation of an approach from villa, but knowing our board they won't name names.  It'll be an open secret it's Lambert and then the deal will be done for a Friday press conference.

Remember - 'you heard it here first'!

This would be supported by Dave's theory that we know who we want, but may have to wait a little while yet. Using that same theory you could also argue a case for Di Matteo and (cough) Allardyce or Holloway!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 11:08:29 AM
The plane spotter 'Thetrees' on VT has said Randy's jet is heading to Norway this afternoon.

Rumours, rumours
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2012, 11:10:10 AM
Solksjaer? (or however it's spelt)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 17, 2012, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 17, 2012, 11:08:29 AM
The plane spotter 'Thetrees' on VT has said Randy's jet is heading to Norway this afternoon.

Rumours, rumours
What's Lambert doing in Norway ??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 17, 2012, 11:08:29 AM
The plane spotter 'Thetrees' on VT has said Randy's jet is heading to Norway this afternoon.

Rumours, rumours

Oh shit...

John Blackwell has infiltrated the House of Lerner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
I dont think he's the main target but I think Solksjaer is on the list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
In football its about usually deciding who you want and then going and getting them , not many clubs go through the process of interviewing several candidates- its always better to have your target and if you cant tempt him then move onto the next target.

Many good managers would not put themselves forward for an interview or apply but would probably take the job if approached.

Apparently last season we wished to approach martinez and hopefully we will approach a club shortly to take their boss- no point in interviewing mccarthy ,grayson , etc out of politeness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 17, 2012, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 10:40:46 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:18:47 AM

...there's more chance Shirley Bassey will be manager of Aston Villa with a coaching staff of Elaine Paige and Barbara Dickson.  ;)

What a wonderful idea. Can you imagine them on the pitch before a big match...


Midnight
Not a sound from the pavement
Has the moon lost her memory?
She is smiling alone
In the lamplight
The withered leaves collect at my feet
And the wind begins to moan


Marvellous.


we would still end up with Susan Boyle 

I would.

Any holes a goal.

Some are own goals though.

let him dream the dream  :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 11:21:09 AM
If these norway rumours are true i guess sir alex has been recommending again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
hmmm.  an ex-United player under Ferguson. Not exactly a glowing sucess rate there when they take up management
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Has Solksjaer really done enough to be a serious candidate?

Man Utd reserves and one season at Molde in Norway??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
Solskjaer is a good candidate in fairness. Would be happy with that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
Oh fuck, do we learn nothing? Another Fergie wannabe without any sort of record to suggest he can cut it. Hope there is nothing in it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:32:03 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Has Solksjaer really done enough to be a serious candidate?

Man Utd reserves and one season at Molde in Norway??

I know what you mean. He has impressed people but I'm not sure it's enough yet.
We'll see.
Like I said, I doubt he's the main target but if he is then I'm absolutely fine using a bit of imagination.

It's going after a known gobshite which boils my piss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 17, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
This is so exciting!  Rumours, red herrings,  you don't know what to to believe.  Like an episode of 3-2-1.   Lets hope we don't end up with Dusty Bin.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 11:33:56 AM
I don't know much about his managerial career, so won't throw him to the wolves without exploring the option. I'd rather him than McCarthy. I'd rather take a chance on someone who may or may not be a success than someone who will definitely fail.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
i'm not sure Lerner heading to Norway is proof of anything. He probably catches planes to lots of places... mebbe he likes Norway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
hmmm.  an ex-United player under Ferguson. Not exactly a glowing sucess rate there when they take up management

Scottish, Irish, ex Fergie players. anybody to have ever had anything to do with MON, names with more than three vowels in, catholics, people who drive a red car, Scorpios...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 11:36:41 AM
Solskjaer is an interesting shout and one I would be happy with. I hold out more hope than most other Fergie-lings. He read the game from the bench as well as any other player I have seen.

Also he has won the League in Norway with an unfancied team.

Not my first choice, but not the worst by any stretch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
So long as we don't get Anders Breivik as manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 11:39:52 AM
I'd have Solksjaer ahead of the likes of McCarthy, Curbishley, etc., but he'd be down my list past the Lamberts and Rodgers.

He'd be a BIG gamble at a time when we can't affrod to get it wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 17, 2012, 11:40:02 AM
this is just the sort of thinking we should be applauding Randy for after the 'must have PL experience' bollocks of last time. Look what the cat dragged in then! No, I love a bit of nordic noir, bring it on and make a killing Randy baby!.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Almost certainly bollocks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 11:39:52 AM
I'd have Solksjaer ahead of the likes of McCarthy, Curbishley, etc., but he'd be down my list past the Lamberts and Rodgers.

He'd be a BIG gamble at a time when we can't affrod to get it wrong.

Yeah similar view to me really. I'd like to know what football style he adopts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
So long as we don't get Anders Breivik as manager.

I dunno. We could give him a shot at it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:43:32 AM
He's 39 now. I wonder if he can get served fags yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 11:34:31 AM
i'm not sure Lerner heading to Norway is proof of anything. He probably catches planes to lots of places... mebbe he likes Norway.

Simon Grayson owns a roll mop herring franchise there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 11:44:30 AM
OGS has been a manager for 16 months.
Its a bloody huge gamble if thats the direction the club is looking towards.

I'm not saying its wrong, just very risky,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:46:13 AM
Fags are illegal in Norway. But then, so is shooting schoolchildren with a rifle
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Almost certainly bollocks.

No, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Almost certainly bollocks.

No, I don't think so.

Why?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Almost certainly bollocks.

No, I don't think so.

Agreed. The guy who says it has decent access to Randy's planes destinations.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:46:13 AM
Fags are illegal in Norway. But then, so is shooting schoolchildren with a rifle

Good news for the Youth team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
I bet Dave Whelan doesn't have a plane. The man who organises a minute's applause for not getting relegated again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 11:53:41 AM
Did Villa have a minutes applause in the 37th minute at Norwich in recognition of the amount of goals scored this season?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 11:54:23 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
I bet Dave Whelan doesn't have a plane. The man who organises a minute's applause for not getting relegated again.
He just has a bloke that follows him round with a big bowl of tripe so he can rest his little round smarmy face in it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:54:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 17, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

No problems mate, I've been on here long enough to know that........ big Mazrim Alpha Male(beats chest)

Don't forget that Maz owes this forum his knackers, after he swore he'd cut them off if Bolton ever spent £8m on a player...just before they bought Anelka for just that amount.

I've got them on sat a shelf in a jar here, like the dad in The Wasp Factory.

We still haven't heard anything from McLeish. Do you think Maz has tied him to a kite and flown him out to sea?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 11:55:20 AM
I would have thought the norwegian league would be the same level as our second division ,at least Fergie did not recommend Bruce to us.

Haven't we got a massive fan base in Norway as well , it will keep those guys happy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 11:53:41 AM
Did Villa have a minutes applause in the 37th minute at Norwich in recognition of the amount of goals scored this season?

You obviously missed the 86 minutes of revered silence at the Bolton game in recognition of the shite on view.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 17, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
So long as we don't get Anders Breivik as manager.

He would be the only one in our set up who can shoot straight.

Sorry if that is in bad taste, but Damon started it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanic on May 17, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
If we can’t get Lambert then I personally wouldn’t mind Solskjear.

The difference between him and the other manager’s to have played for Fergie is that he had the balls to go back to his own country and do it on his own with an un-fancied team unlike the likes of Bruce who are happy in Fergies shadow.

A Manure fan I work with has been saying for a while that the belief up there is Solskjear is the most likely of all the junior fergies to be a success.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: phantom limb on May 17, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
I think Solskjaer is a good shout personally, and doesn't come with the air of shitness that some of the usual suspects like McCarthy, Bruce, Curbishley already have.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2012, 11:59:43 AM
Maybe Oyvind Leonhardson as player manager with Aha's Morten Harket as DOF? Vibrant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 17, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 11:47:18 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 11:40:21 AM
Almost certainly bollocks.

No, I don't think so.

Agreed. The guy who says it has decent access to Randy's planes destinations.

In fairness, I heard something before he let it out but its nothing too explicit. I'll do some digging (and also some work...ffs).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fingers on May 17, 2012, 12:02:22 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2012, 11:59:43 AM
Maybe Oyvind Leonhardson as player manager with Aha's Morten Harket as DOF? Vibrant.

That's an interesting train of thought
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 12:04:36 PM
If I applied, maybe he would take on me in some capacity
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 17, 2012, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:54:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 17, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:59:11 AM
Maz give him a break just posting what he has been told

No problems mate, I've been on here long enough to know that........ big Mazrim Alpha Male(beats chest)

Don't forget that Maz owes this forum his knackers, after he swore he'd cut them off if Bolton ever spent £8m on a player...just before they bought Anelka for just that amount.

I've got them on sat a shelf in a jar here, like the dad in The Wasp Factory.

We still haven't heard anything from McLeish. Do you think Maz has tied him to a kite and flown him out to sea?

Or told him to beat a big metal object sticking in the sand whilst standing at a safe distance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
OGS gone from 33/1 to 5/1 at Bet365.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 12:08:43 PM
At least Solksjaer has jumped over Mick in the betting
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:09:45 PM
He certainly fits the 'vibrancy' bill.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:09:45 PM
He certainly fits the 'vibrancy' bill.

real left field stuff but I would go with it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 12:11:00 PM
Good indicator of how little money it takes to move someone in a market like this.

I saw on oddschecker OGS was 20/1 at Sportingbet. By the time I'd remembered my login details, he was 10/1.

By the time I'd deposited my funds and gone back to place the bet, he'd gone to 5/1.

There's no trader trawling forums and news sites for info, it's massively affected by the cash on it. I bet almost all the money put on him today has been from people on here and VillaSquawk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
Would ogs be tough enough to handle our players though or would he just be a soft pushover- i like a manager with a bit of steel and think lambert certainly has that, not sure about ogs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mike on May 17, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
At 39 he could probably do a job for us on the pitch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
I think if we are going down the ogs route that a director of football would probably be brought in too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
OGS gone from 33/1 to 5/1 at Bet365.
Presumably Randy's consulted with SrAlex ...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 12:19:39 PM
Solskjaer is worthy of a chat. See what he has to say about the job, what his plans and style would be. If it sounds good, consider him. As stated, he isn't going to be our first choice - but if he talks the talk and can walk the walk, he should be considered.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 12:19:59 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2088006/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-tips-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-replace-Manchester-United.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2088006/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-tips-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-replace-Manchester-United.html)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cheadlevilla on May 17, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
Sammy Lee spotted at Hilton Park Services....
how much is he at Paddy Power?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
We only sign managers whose names our supporters can't spell.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
I think if we are going down the ogs route that a director of football would probably be brought in too.

Dof not happening according to the Mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/17/aston-villa-only-want-a-new-manager-not-a-director-of-football-97319-30986597/).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DBTW on May 17, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
OGS comes with a very indepth backroom team if he brings them from Molde, I think he would be an excellent appointment personally
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
We only sign managers whose names our supporters can't spell.

Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr now at 8/1 with Ladbrokes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:30:06 PM
If Ferguson's had anything to do with our reported interest in OGS then we should run a mile.  Haven't we learnt our lesson last time?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
The 'Randy's plane to Norway' and the odds coming in on OGS don't add up to prove anything as one has lead to the other.

However, it's just the sort of left field thinking we've come to expect from Randy when it comes to picking his managers.  I'd imagine and hope he's one of the back-up choices behind Lambert, but he does present an interesting option all the same.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Chris Houghton worth a punt
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:30:56 PM
OGS  11/4 now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 12:32:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
The 'Randy's plane to Norway' and the odds coming in on OGS don't add up to prove anything as one has lead to the other.

However, it's just the sort of left field thinking we've come to expect from Randy when it comes to picking his managers.  I'd imagine and hope he's one of the back-up choices behind Lambert, but he does present an interesting option all the same.
Eggie Ulsen worth scrambling the Lerner plane for.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
The 'Randy's plane to Norway' and the odds coming in on OGS don't add up to prove anything as one has lead to the other.

Exactly, that's what I was saying previously. People on here and VT and their mates slapping money on him after the plane thng came out is easily enough to move that price.

Quote
However, it's just the sort of left field thinking we've come to expect from Randy when it comes to picking his managers.  I'd imagine and hope he's one of the back-up choices behind Lambert, but he does present an interesting option all the same.

Not too sure where his left field thinking was last year. Not so much "left field" as "in a pile of dung in the middle of a field"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 12:34:16 PM
Trees sounds very confident on VT.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:34:47 PM
if the plane theory is correct, then i reckon it will be Solskjaer,

 he fits the criteria they were looking for in the statment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave shelley on May 17, 2012, 12:35:12 PM
Given all the references to Fergie underlings being mentioned on here; I'm surprised nobody's suggested Fergie junior at Peterborough. :'(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ajmant on May 17, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
I dont get it with OGS. It's about as far left field as you get. We go from premier experience (shite I know) to no experience. I just don't see it.

Surely it has to be the likes of Rodgers or Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 12:37:24 PM
I have a feeling he might just be a 2nd or 3rd choice they want to check out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:37:45 PM
Someone explain to me how OSG is vibrant? vibrant is just more Faulkner BS
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: jembob on May 17, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
Isn't Mick McCarty's wife Norwegian? They are probably on holiday there at the moment and RAL is repeating his dash to Corsica from last season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 12:32:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
The 'Randy's plane to Norway' and the odds coming in on OGS don't add up to prove anything as one has lead to the other.

However, it's just the sort of left field thinking we've come to expect from Randy when it comes to picking his managers.  I'd imagine and hope he's one of the back-up choices behind Lambert, but he does present an interesting option all the same.
Eggie Ulsen worth scrambling the Lerner plane for.


who was the Norwegan who managed wimbledon and the national team , he wore wellies a lot ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
Just out of interest, is there any confirmation that Randy was actually on the jet?  As in his family might use it aswell and one of them could be in Norway.

Or, as another alternative, does he have any other business interests in Norway that mat take him there?  He spends a day or two in Brum thrashing out the candidates with Faulkner, then pops to Norway for something else while the initial contact is made and we see who is interested, with the intention of being back in a few days for when the interviews take place.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 17, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
 Some idiot on twitter also reckons its OGS as Randy has asked Kilinsmann for his expert advise and put him forward. Just because he's hot a plane to Norway dont mean its gonna be him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
father christmas ???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 12:43:05 PM
Quote from: Villa-Tikka-Massala on May 17, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
Some idiot on twitter also reckons its OGS as Randy has asked Kilinsmann for his expert advise and put him forward. Just because he's hot a plane to Norway dont mean its gonna be him.
Klinsmann as DoF?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
The DOF they supposedly don't want?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
There won't be a DoF. Which I think is a mistake but, so be it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
We only sign managers whose names our supporters can't spell.

Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr now at 8/1 with Ladbrokes.

With Anne Uumellmahaye taking the Eileen Drewery role?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 12:45:21 PM
And to think I took the piss out of a Wolves fan for their appointment of a 5 times Danish league winner. And now we could be appointing a youth team coach with one league title win in a division where their only rivals gave up before the season started.

FFS Randy, why the Man U obsession? He MAY become a good manager in time, but it is far , far too early to be giving him a job like Villa. 


I was hoping for a new Graham Taylor but I fear this would be the start of the next Graham Turner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 12:46:14 PM
I don't think Lerner will fly to Norway just to check out a non-runner. This might well be it.

I am wondering how I feel about that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
father christmas ???

I don't know why that made me chuckle but it did.

Hmm there might be a manager out there on holiday, even if it is'nt exactly a holiday destination. I hope he's gone to Bergen, Bergen's lovely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ajmant on May 17, 2012, 12:48:14 PM
Is Dalglish in Norway.........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 12:46:14 PM
I don't think Lerner will fly to Norway just to check out a non-runner. This might well be it.

I am wondering how I feel about that.

You'd think any potential sounding out of interest would have been done over the phone or email, so you're right. IF Randy/Faulkner have gone over to talk to him, then it's at least a semi-serious discussion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 12:45:21 PM
And to think I took the piss out of a Wolves fan for their appointment of a 5 times Danish league winner. And now we could be appointing a youth team coach with one league title win in a division where their only rivals gave up before the season started.

FFS Randy, why the Man U obsession? He MAY become a good manager in time, but it is far , far too early to be giving him a job like Villa. 


I was hoping for a new Graham Taylor but I fear this would be the start of the next Graham Turner.


aye. seems daft to even consider him at this stage of his career. I'm not sure i believe it on the basis of Lerner's flight plans though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 12:50:25 PM
At least it's stopped people worrying about it being McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

I am fine with that as it was as a player.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: myf on May 17, 2012, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 08:55:34 AM
You used to sell the Mail from a box you mean.
I think somebody is indeed pulling your plonker.

No mate not at all. Worked there for 10 years , this has come from Bill Howell. Apparently hes even had a preliminary interview.

Ah, Bill the Bogie.  He's probably pissing himself with that gag.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 17, 2012, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

I am fine with that as it was as a player.


yes i think most people will be,
 its just me i'm a bit funny about things so closely connected with MU, its not healthy but i'll just have to live with it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: caster troy on May 17, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
'Ole Gunnar's Claret and Blue army' has a nice ring to it at least.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 17, 2012, 12:57:03 PM

 I reckon maybe they probably did have a chat with him/agent over phone and Randy/PF decided to hear them out in person?

 To me still think Lambert no.1 choice and maybe OGS and Poyet considered. Id be happy with any of them tbf. At least they different to the usual crap we're linked with.

 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa Mr Solskjaer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 12:57:45 PM
I don't see what everybody is getting so wound up about?? He hasn't been a manager long so nobody knows how he may perform. I seem to remember people being unhappy about JG until he took us from relegation material to Europe. I think some people need to remember who we are now and forget this bollocks about 'We are AVFC we deserve so much more'. We have no God given right to anything. I would take OGS any day above McLeish and McCarthy......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 12:57:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.

It will only be a stepping stone if he does something special with us.

I'll take that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:58:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.


to be honest i dont mind the risk involved, its just the MU thing that puts me off,
and i know i'm being silly but i cant help it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.

If we get a manager who is not worried about, or thinking about, his career progression, then we're not going to get an inspired character, are we?

And, given that OGS's former club in question is Manchester United, which is one of the four or five biggest club management jobs in the world, he would have to do extraordinarily well here to get that job, so it's fine by me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
well if OSG joins it will be another "Buh??" appointment for me, in the tradition of GH and AM..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
OGS gone from 33/1 to 5/1 at Bet365.
Presumably Randy's consulted with SrAlex ...

Absolutely.  I would not be happy with another Fergie stooge in our camp.  If we appointed OGS we'd simply be helping them out, grooming them Fergie's potential replacement etc.  I'd rank this as a poor, poor decision if it happened because success or not, OGS would not be a long term, stabilizing appointment for Aston Villa.  And like Houllier, his heart would be elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 12:30:21 PM
Chris Houghton worth a punt

Ha ha. Spelt it wrong.

Its pount.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tezmond on May 17, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
Randy flies to Denmark and the only name that flies to mind is OGS?

looking on this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Danish_football_managers

I'm praying for Michael Laudrup
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 01:05:55 PM
He's gone to Norway, hasn't he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 01:07:37 PM
Sky Bet -

6/4 Lambert

2/1 OGS
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:07:56 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
There won't be a DoF. Which I think is a mistake but, so be it.

No DoF? I'm shattered.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tezmond on May 17, 2012, 01:08:05 PM
oops! Norway, thats my theory dead :-[
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Tezmond on May 17, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
Randy flies to Denmark and the only name that flies to mind is OGS?

looking on this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Danish_football_managers

I'm praying for Michael Laudrup

Flying to NORWAY
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:08:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 01:05:55 PM
He's gone to Norway, hasn't he?

Same thing.

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 01:11:12 PM
Maybe he's just gone to see the fjords and chat up some hot blond scandinavians.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
mebbe he's gone to denmark but he's flown with ryanair and norway's the nearest they get?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
well if OSG joins it will be another "Buh??" appointment for me, in the tradition of GH and AM..

It couldn't be as bad as AM.  At least OGS was an attacker so he knows where the goal is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DR PETERS on May 17, 2012, 01:12:22 PM
Maybe Randy has a Norwegian Blue that's pining for the fjords !!!

Any Euro 2012 nations got a pre tournament traing camp in Norway ? England play there next Saturday so maybe another nation is there at the moment ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
Can I be one of the first to demand we sack somebody we have only been linked with because somebody has seen a plane that may or may not contain the owner of Aston Villa possibly flying to a country that has more than one person living in it?

Sure it wasn't Norwich? Although I guess that would be East Anglia airport.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 01:13:01 PM
I told you all on Monday it was going to be Egil Olsen. You never listen, do you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
The hot blondes are all in Sweden. I should know, my wife is Norwegian.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave shelley on May 17, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Perhaps he's gone to lodge some money in John Carew's bank account seeing as he's suppposed to be skint.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
mebbe he's gone to denmark but he's flown with ryanair and norway's the nearest they get?

Martin Laursen...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.

If we get a manager who is not worried about, or thinking about, his career progression, then we're not going to get an inspired character, are we?

And, given that OGS's former club in question is Manchester United, which is one of the four or five biggest club management jobs in the world, he would have to do extraordinarily well here to get that job, so it's fine by me

I'd rather have a manager who would want to build Villa rather than see us a stepping stone.  I would not be able to stomach all the press simply spinning the Man Utd angle too.  The whole Villa aspect of such an appointment would be swamped out and, from day one, this would be a story about Man Utd and Fergie's successor.  We would have no sense of security at the club either as the slightest whiff of success would have us thinking he could be off. 

Add to the whole idea of appointing him the fact that he is totally unproven as a manager and this would rank as a mind-blowingly poor decision on so many levels. OGS should be looking for a Championship standard club at best to kick start his career in English management.  If Randy even thinks of such an appointment every last shred of faith I have for him and PF will be gone.  We're Aston Villa not some shitty little outfit from the back of beyond.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
The hot blondes are all in Sweden. I should know, my wife is Norwegian.
*sharp intake of breath!*  Bravo to your bravery
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Harpo on May 17, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
I think it's all a mix-up. Someone asked the pilot if he's flying Randy to see Mick McCarthy, and he said: 'No Way'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:17:28 PM
Anyone know whether ogs is a hardline boss or will he be a pushover for the likes of dunne, collins , ireland etc?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
mebbe he's gone to denmark but he's flown with ryanair and norway's the nearest they get?

Martin Laursen...

Now that's more like it!  Get a Villa man in on some level. (Too early for Martin to be manager, though.)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
The hot blondes are all in Sweden. I should know, my wife is Norwegian.

Are you sure she's not having it away with Randy?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:18:03 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 01:12:00 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
well if OSG joins it will be another "Buh??" appointment for me, in the tradition of GH and AM..

It couldn't be as bad as AM.  At least OGS was an attacker so he knows where the goal is.


Still, we've just had a season which was frankly as bad as it gets barring relegation. We've got no money, we've hardly got any players and we're bring in a guy with basically no experience of managing a top club and is not much younger than some of the players. The word 'risky' doesn't really cover it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 01:18:16 PM
Quote from: Harpo on May 17, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
I think it's all a mix-up. Someone asked the pilot if he's flying Randy to see Mick McCarthy, and he said: 'No Way'.

Haha! Very good
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 01:18:19 PM
Quote from: Harpo on May 17, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
I think it's all a mix-up. Someone asked the pilot if he's flying Randy to see Mick McCarthy, and he said: 'No Way'.

Very good, sir!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
The hot blondes are all in Sweden. I should know, my wife is Norwegian.
*sharp intake of breath!*  Bravo to your bravery

And his boyfriend is swedish!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 12:49:01 PM
the only problem i have with him is he's shrouded in red and white, he's someone elses hero, he's someone elses legend.

i know i'll get over it but it doesnt help

...and he'll view Villa as a stepping stone to his favourite club.  For me this would be another short-sighted, baffling appointment and I hope Lerner has not lost all track of his senses.  Hopefully he has just nipped over to buy a few thick, woolly jumpers or something, if he has nipped over at all.

If we get a manager who is not worried about, or thinking about, his career progression, then we're not going to get an inspired character, are we?

And, given that OGS's former club in question is Manchester United, which is one of the four or five biggest club management jobs in the world, he would have to do extraordinarily well here to get that job, so it's fine by me

I'd rather have a manager who would want to build Villa rather than see us a stepping stone.  I would not be able to stomach all the press simply spinning the Man Utd angle too.  The whole Villa aspect of such an appointment would be swamped out and, from day one, this would be a story about Man Utd and Fergie's successor.  We would have no sense of security at the club either as the slightest whiff of success would have us thinking he could be off. 

Add to the whole idea of appointing him the fact that he is totally unproven as a manager and this would rank as a mind-blowingly poor decision on so many levels. OGS should be looking for a Championship standard club at best to kick start his career in English management.  If Randy even thinks of such an appointment every last shred of faith I have for him and PF will be gone.  We're Aston Villa not some shitty little outfit from the back of beyond.


Yes but my point was, to get the Man United job, you'd have to have done an extraordinary job here first to be in with a chance. I'd take that good work here.

You're kidding yourself if you think we're going to find a manager whose ambition is to do well here, then stay here forever and ever. It just won't happen.

Why do you think we're assuming Paul Lambert wants to come here? Because he's ambitious and he sees us as the next step in his career. His career won't end with us, though, if he's really ambitious. If he did well, he too would be off to a bigger job.

Admittedly, the obvious next step from us for a Solksjaer is one of the biggest jobs there is, so of course he'd want to go there. On the flip side, it is a club who can pretty much get who they want as their manager, so he'd have an awful lot of competition.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: Harpo on May 17, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
I think it's all a mix-up. Someone asked the pilot if he's flying Randy to see Mick McCarthy, and he said: 'No Way'.

...... that hypocrite smokes two packs a day ....

*internajjukeboxhell*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
OGS gone from 33/1 to 5/1 at Bet365.
Presumably Randy's consulted with SrAlex ...

Absolutely.  I would not be happy with another Fergie stooge in our camp.  If we appointed OGS we'd simply be helping them out, grooming them Fergie's potential replacement etc.  I'd rank this as a poor, poor decision if it happened because success or not, OGS would not be a long term, stabilizing appointment for Aston Villa.  And like Houllier, his heart would be elsewhere.

I'm sorry but that's bollocks. As Paulie said Man Utd is one of the biggest jobs in the world and he'd have to do an incredible job with Villa to land that job. So therefore he'd have a lot of success at Villa, which would be great. Also we don't know anything about his character and whether he's a 'Fergie Stooge'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
mebbe he's gone to denmark but he's flown with ryanair and norway's the nearest they get?

Martin Laursen...

Now that's more like it!  Get a Villa man in on some level. (Too early for Martin to be manager, though.)

He's been managing in Denmark, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I reckon Norway is a bluff.

He's actually halfway across the bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, piecing together two halves of two different football managers who have been sawn in half.

/saturdaynightbbc4
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?

Yes.

Him and Faulkner together could be like our own Jedward.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 17, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:20:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
mebbe he's gone to denmark but he's flown with ryanair and norway's the nearest they get?

Martin Laursen...

Now that's more like it!  Get a Villa man in on some level. (Too early for Martin to be manager, though.)

He's been managing in Denmark, for what it's worth.

Maybe he's gone home for pre-season?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 01:24:39 PM
Well, the media would love us. Not that that's a good thing in itself, but we wouldn't be last on MOTD every week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2012, 01:25:11 PM
Agree with pauli'.

Baring a few ex Villa players there's no potential manager out there who would see us as anything more than a rung up the ladder.  We'd like to think differently but that's the reality.

If they were successful for us, got us into the top 4 say, they'd at least want a crack at the CL which would also look well on the CV. 

Their ambition might be to our benefit for at least some success.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
If we did get OGS in, it seems obvious to me that we'd have him for about a year before Fergie retires and names him as his successor. He wouldn't be a long-term appointment, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
If we did get OGS in, it seems obvious to me that we'd have him for about a year before Fergie retires and names him as his successor. He wouldn't be a long-term appointment, in my opinion.

It'd be nice for us to get some compensation for a manager for a change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 01:29:43 PM
Just in case anyone has any lingering worries...

Rumours of Villa’s interest in Mick McCarthy have bemused the board who are looking to move Villa in an exciting new direction and are not considering the former Wolves manager.



Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/17/aston-villa-only-want-a-new-manager-not-a-director-of-football-97319-30986597/2/#ixzz1v85YyrQP
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.

Must be bollocks then
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.

Christ, eastie.

I know we take the piss out of your tendency to believe anything on SSN, but you do know how wikipedia works, don't you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
If we did get OGS in, it seems obvious to me that we'd have him for about a year before Fergie retires and names him as his successor. He wouldn't be a long-term appointment, in my opinion.

So you think he'd win the title with us next season then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
There isn't a manager in Europe, whoever they played for,  who wouldn't want the Man Utd job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
If we did get OGS in, it seems obvious to me that we'd have him for about a year before Fergie retires and names him as his successor. He wouldn't be a long-term appointment, in my opinion.

To get the United job in a year, he would have to get us in the top 6 at least in the same period.

I am happy with that!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?

Yes.

Him and Faulkner together could be like our own Jedward.

So that's

Jedward,
Susan Boyle
Elaine Page
Shirley Bassey
Barbara Dickson

and

Mick McCarthy who have all been linked.

I don't know what Bet Fair will make of that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 01:32:28 PM
If Fergie retires next year then for OGS to be a candidate he'd need top at least reach the top 4 with us.

I could live with that!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.

Christ, eastie.

I know we take the piss out of your tendency to believe anything on SSN, but you do know how wikipedia works, don't you?

Paulie paulie paulie, just because something is said doesnt mean its gospel- my money is firmly on lambert and has been for 3 weeks at 7/1 and i see nothing to change my mind .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 17, 2012, 01:34:06 PM
Just to add weight to all this my contact at bhx confirmed Oslo too
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on May 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?

Yes.

Him and Faulkner together could be like our own Jedward.

So that's

Jedward,
Susan Boyle
Elaine Page
Shirley Bassey
Barbara Dickson

and

Mick McCarthy who have all been linked.

I don't know what Bet Fair will make of that.


Sounds like the best Royal Variety Performance for years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.

Christ, eastie.

I know we take the piss out of your tendency to believe anything on SSN, but you do know how wikipedia works, don't you?

Paulie paulie paulie, just because something is said doesnt mean its gospel- my money is firmly on lambert and has been for 3 weeks at 7/1 and i see nothing to change my mind .

I know that, but it is not what I am saying. What I'm saying is you've said "wiki already has OGS as manager" - I was pointing out that anyone can edit wiki.

I could go on there now and change it to "Aston Villa have appointed a management duo of Jedward".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
I'm hearing Jedward are nailed on. Don't shoot the messenger
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 01:36:50 PM
But which one's DoF?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2012, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on May 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?

Yes.

Him and Faulkner together could be like our own Jedward.

So that's

Jedward,
Susan Boyle
Elaine Page
Shirley Bassey
Barbara Dickson

and

Mick McCarthy who have all been linked.

I don't know what Bet Fair will make of that.


Sounds like the best Royal Variety Performance for years.

Indeed, you want to see Mick McCarthy play the spoons
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:37:06 PM
So randy is in oslo, he has many business interests other than villa and it could be a business stopover on route to england, we have been linked to many people every time we have looked for a manager and rarely have the press or bookies been in the loop.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 17, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
OGS gone from 33/1 to 5/1 at Bet365.
Presumably Randy's consulted with SrAlex ...

Absolutely.  I would not be happy with another Fergie stooge in our camp.  If we appointed OGS we'd simply be helping them out, grooming them Fergie's potential replacement etc.  I'd rank this as a poor, poor decision if it happened because success or not, OGS would not be a long term, stabilizing appointment for Aston Villa.  And like Houllier, his heart would be elsewhere.

I'm sorry but that's bollocks. As Paulie said Man Utd is one of the biggest jobs in the world and he'd have to do an incredible job with Villa to land that job. So therefore he'd have a lot of success at Villa, which would be great. Also we don't know anything about his character and whether he's a 'Fergie Stooge'.

True, I don't know his character but football being football we know there are networks and lines of communication between various figures.  Having OGS would, I fear, make it far easier for Fergie to keep tabs on our players - hence my use of the term "stooge".  It's nothing to do with character and everything to do with an open door into Villa Park thinking.

If our next manager is doing an "incredible job" I'd like to think Villa Park would be the place to be.  OGS strikes me as being a pretty small-time appointment and ticks none of the boxes I would be looking for.  As Greg N'Ash says, file under: "Buh??"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 17, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:28:53 PM
Wiki are already saying the baby faced assassin is the manager of aston villa.

Christ, eastie.

I know we take the piss out of your tendency to believe anything on SSN, but you do know how wikipedia works, don't you?

Paulie paulie paulie, just because something is said doesnt mean its gospel- my money is firmly on lambert and has been for 3 weeks at 7/1 and i see nothing to change my mind .

I know that, but it is not what I am saying. What I'm saying is you've said "wiki already has OGS as manager" - I was pointing out that anyone can edit wiki.

I could go on there now and change it to "Aston Villa have appointed a management duo of Jedward".

I got REALLY excited last summer when it said that Frank Rijkaard had become Villa manager!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 17, 2012, 01:40:18 PM
Perhaps Randy's gone to Norway because today is Norway Day.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:40:37 PM
Ogs would be better than mcleish but there are much better options out there, a bit disappointing if he is the choice .

Fergie as a rival manager shouldnt be consulted in any case .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 17, 2012, 01:40:50 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:37:06 PM
So randy is in oslo, he has many business interests other than villa and it could be a business stopover on route to england, we have been linked to many people every time we have looked for a manager and rarely have the press or bookies been in the loop.

True, however, like Corsica it wasn't until that detail came out that the odds dropped on McTwat.
Either ways had £10 on OGS at 33/1 this am on paddy power and he's now 3/1

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
The truth is that none of us know whether he's a good choice or not, I'm pretty sure if they hire him they'll have asked him about his vision(i know Mcleish..). However Mcleish had a record of failure in the Premier League, with Solskjaer he might be brilliant we don't know. I'd still prefer Lambert, Martinez or Rodgers but I don't think Solsjkaer is necessarily a poor choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertommykN'iba on May 17, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
I'd take OGS straight away.

I like the fact that he's already known by his initials when he could still be completely unaware of what is happening with regards to his name. That's always a good sign.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:37:06 PM
So randy is in oslo, he has many business interests other than villa and it could be a business stopover on route to england, we have been linked to many people every time we have looked for a manager and rarely have the press or bookies been in the loop.

100% gospel, expect it on the yellow ticker at any time, but he's meeting Graham Souness at a Service Station. Brown bags have been detected. All Villa players will be asked to sport perms and moustaches next season, and Graham is growing his back as part of a contractual agreement. McDermott will be join him as will Bobby Ball.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 17, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 01:26:56 PM
If we did get OGS in, it seems obvious to me that we'd have him for about a year before Fergie retires and names him as his successor. He wouldn't be a long-term appointment, in my opinion.

To get the United job in a year, he would have to get us in the top 6 at least in the same period.

I am happy with that!


Some of the stuff being written on here beggars belief!!  Does anyone truly believe that Solskjaer would walk in to one in the most prestigious jobs in world football on the back of one Norwegian title and one 6th placed Premiership finish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
How i miss the way doug got his managers in - remember the famous ' how many of you know who he is ' when dr jo walked out from behind the curtain.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I reckon Norway is a bluff.

He's actually halfway across the bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, piecing together two halves of two different football managers who have been sawn in half.

/saturdaynightbbc4
Very good, Paulie! - and wonder if he's shagged the wife of one of the victims yet?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I reckon Norway is a bluff.

He's actually halfway across the bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, piecing together two halves of two different football managers who have been sawn in half.

/saturdaynightbbc4
Very good, Paulie! - and wonder if he's shagged the wife of one of the victims yet?

Randy is more of a Saga Noren than a Martin Rohde, mind - awkward communicator, every now and then appears to be nuts, that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves and year in Nowrway....WOW!!! I seriously wonder if Lerner/ Faulkner have any idea what to do.

Why is it that Villa have never ever had a man in charge who has actually boasted in cv of achieving things, winning cups, leagues....I don't count Scotland! You're meant to have a few quid behind you Randy, well start investing in a top man first and see where that gets you. I bet a lot further than the last 2 calamity's you pulled out of the bag!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves and year in Nowrway....WOW!!! I seriously wonder if Lerner/ Faulkner have any idea what to do.

I'd imagine they've thought "who are the most talked about up and coming young managers in Europe, and let's talk to them if they're interested"

I think they are absolutely right to do that.

I'd be much much more concerned if they did the same shit thing as the last two times - they put PL experience at the top of the list and found themselves fishing in a very small pool, and then found out that said pool was full of rusting supermarket trolleys and no decent fish.

Give them a chance, I say. No, OGS hasn't won anything as a manager, but that means fuck all. Our last manager had won stuff in Scotland and England, and look how shite he was.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 17, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves and year in Nowrway....WOW!!! I seriously wonder if Lerner/ Faulkner have any idea what to do.

I'd imagine they've thought "who are the most talked about up and coming young managers in Europe, and let's talk to them if they're interested"

I think they are absolutely right to do that.

I'd be much much more concerned if they did the same shit thing as the last two times - they put PL experience at the top of the list and found themselves fishing in a very small pool, and then found out that said pool was full of rusting supermarket trolleys and no decent fish.

Give them a chance, I say. No, OGS hasn't won anything as a manager, but that means fuck all. Our last manager had won stuff in Scotland and England, and look how shite he was.



OGS won the Norweigian league last season with Molde. First time Molde have ever won it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves and year in Nowrway....WOW!!! I seriously wonder if Lerner/ Faulkner have any idea what to do.

Why is it that Villa have never ever had a man in charge who has actually boasted in cv of achieving things, winning cups, leagues....I don't count Scotland! You're meant to have a few quid behind you Randy, well start investing in a top man first and see where that gets you. I bet a lot further than the last 2 calamity's you pulled out of the bag!



your post suggests that you believe the rumours in every capacity. You do realise it is a rumour?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves


Wonder if Barcelona supporters felt the same about Guardiola?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 02:00:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 01:47:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I reckon Norway is a bluff.

He's actually halfway across the bridge connecting Denmark and Sweden, piecing together two halves of two different football managers who have been sawn in half.

/saturdaynightbbc4
Very good, Paulie! - and wonder if he's shagged the wife of one of the victims yet?

Randy is more of a Saga Noren than a Martin Rohde...
True, but I wouldn't really want to meet him in a bar asking whether I want sex with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves


Wonder if Barcelona supporters felt the same about Guardiola?

Good point, but maybe a little different as Guardiola had been at Barcelona for years, and imbued in their football philosophy.

Personally, I am just happy the club are being adventurous in who they approach. It's also only a meeting (as far as we know).

Soksjaer might be brilliantly convincing, or he might be utterly unconvincing, we just don't know. I at least think it makes good sense to talk to him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
5/4 fave on skybet
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves and year in Nowrway....WOW!!! I seriously wonder if Lerner/ Faulkner have any idea what to do.

I'd imagine they've thought "who are the most talked about up and coming young managers in Europe, and let's talk to them if they're interested"

I think they are absolutely right to do that.

I'd be much much more concerned if they did the same shit thing as the last two times - they put PL experience at the top of the list and found themselves fishing in a very small pool, and then found out that said pool was full of rusting supermarket trolleys and no decent fish.

Give them a chance, I say. No, OGS hasn't won anything as a manager, but that means fuck all. Our last manager had won stuff in Scotland and England, and look how shite he was.




Precisely it would indicate a much more adventurous and potentially ambitious approach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
I like the theory put earlier that norwich have a game at celtic on tues night which has a lot of emotion involved for lambert- after that game it may well be goodbye delia,hello randy.

I imagine faulkner would negotiate the deal as who would want ' to get randy with delia'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 02:06:00 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves


Wonder if Barcelona supporters felt the same about Guardiola?

We have to get the right man irrespective of who he ends up being. My reservations with Solskjaer are as much to do with the media circus and Man U love in that would follow him as it is do with his qualifications. That said, having been brought through one of the most successful clubs in our lifetimes, under one of the greatest managers of all time will have had a positive effect. If he has been able to take that with him into his own career then even better. There would be no danger of him joining Man U either. They'd be looking for a proven name in the game when Ferguson hangs it up. Maybe one day it is someone like Solksjaer, but not any time soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 02:06:30 PM
Interesting comments from our former Scottish Manager here - not strictly about our current search but good endorsement of the club's pedigree.
 (http://www.astonvilla-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/mcleish_reveals_aston_villa_regrets_744764/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 02:08:29 PM
I just need 'load of tinpot Norwegian shit' and I've filled out my H&V bingo card
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 02:06:30 PM
Interesting comments from our former Scottish Manager here - not strictly about our current search but good endorsement of the club's pedigree.
 (http://www.astonvilla-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/mcleish_reveals_aston_villa_regrets_744764/index.shtml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Nice comments and no bitterness at all- well said alex!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
I think I'd quite like someone young and hungry like OGS
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 02:10:51 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
I like the theory put earlier that norwich have a game at celtic on tues night which has a lot of emotion involved for lambert- after that game it may well be goodbye delia,hello randy.

I imagine faulkner would negotiate the deal as who would want ' to get randy with delia'.

I hear she's got crackin' buns.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ktvillan on May 17, 2012, 02:13:52 PM
There are a few things Lerner and Faulkner should have learned from their recent fuck-ups.

One is that if a manager has a history of dire football and flirting with/embracing relegation then that is unlikely to change.  That should rule out McCarthy.

Another is never to ever listen to that gobshite Ferguson again.  Ever.

If they are considering OGS on their own initiative, fair enough, I just hope that fecker hasn't got his finger in the pie again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves


Wonder if Barcelona supporters felt the same about Guardiola?


yeah, the useless twat didnt last long there though did he !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Interesting that OGS won the title in Norway at a club that had never won it, at his first attempt, and in a league where Rosenborg had won every one of the previous twenty league titles, bar two.

That is quite impressive.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 02:16:53 PM



[/quote]


Precisely it would indicate a much more adventurous and potentially ambitious approach.
[/quote]

I'm not gonna bite on this one! 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 17, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Why Solksjaer? A season or 2 coaching Man.Utd reserves


Wonder if Barcelona supporters felt the same about Guardiola?


yeah, the useless twat didnt last long there though did he !

Aye, if OGS is so good let man utd try him out for size.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Interesting that OGS won the title in Norway at a club that had never won it, at his first attempt, and in a league where Rosenborg had won every one of the previous twenty league titles, bar two.

That is quite impressive.


I wonder what is style of football is like   , but what worries me the norwegian league is like the old third division , its alot different than the prem .  If molde say , reached the quartes of the champoins league next season , he would look like a damn fine good manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 02:16:53 PM


Precisely it would indicate a much more adventurous and potentially ambitious approach.


I'm not gonna bite on this one!


As the actress said to the bishop.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rob92 on May 17, 2012, 02:26:03 PM
I know it's only the Norwegian league, but to lead a club to their first ever league title in your first year in charge isn't an easy thing to do!

He has potential, but it's a huge gamble IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DB on May 17, 2012, 02:29:11 PM
Quote from: Rob92 on May 17, 2012, 02:26:03 PM
I know it's only the Norwegian league, but to lead a club to their first ever league title in your first year in charge isn't an easy thing to do!

He has potential, but it's a huge gamble IMO.

He's also had a quite a bit of money to do it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
If it turns out to be OGS I would be fine with the risk aspect, I've always advocated that so I can't complain now
Its  just the Man Utd thing i don't like
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2012, 02:31:17 PM
OGS is more of a cheaper option I assume...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
All speculation at the moment- lets wait for something to be announced before we either celebrate or panic, i expect the betting to fluctuate wildly and many more names to become favourite before we get our man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 17, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:15:28 PM
Interesting that OGS won the title in Norway at a club that had never won it, at his first attempt, and in a league where Rosenborg had won every one of the previous twenty league titles, bar two.

That is quite impressive.


I wonder what is style of football is like   , but what worries me the norwegian league is like the old third division , its alot different than the prem .  If molde say , reached the quartes of the champoins league next season , he would look like a damn fine good manager.

I'd say he'd be off to a team in the CL if he managed that, rather than coming to us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
Interesting documentary on him



the view from his office is staggering. What a lovely place it looks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 02:43:59 PM
I think he's a decent choice.

He's regarded as a great student of the game and there's reports all through his time at Man U of him talking about training techniques and tactics.  I always find players who have a 'super sub' reputation have a great understanding of the game because they can see the problems themselves and understand exactly what they need to go out and do.

With a DoF he'd potentially be a great choice as we could go for someone with more experience to back him up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
Apparently Molde have become the Man City of Norway with big investment behind them. That may have more to do with their league win than OGS managerial skills.

I just feel 4-5 years minimum in management is an absolute requirement to be taking on a job such as ours.
He doesn't have that and therefore the risk factor is increased, and let's be honest, we can't afford to fuck about taking chances this time. The whole thing smacks of naivety once again.

And for those saying it's just a rumour, I would take his flight plans as fact as thetrees has a good track record. In these days of instant communication, why fly to Norway if this wasn't something more advanced than an interview. Historically, it appears, Randy only travels when he's found his man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
Interesting documentary on him



the view from his office is staggering. What a lovely place it looks.



well he would be swapping it for the North Stand car park , one of the great wonders of the world, no brainer
;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
Villa have ruled out a director of football according to the mail.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Watching that documentary, it's pretty clear he likes Molde to play by keeping the ball and passing it, in a league where clubs tend to play long balls.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 17, 2012, 02:49:44 PM
Would be happier than i was with Houllier and obviously McLeish, but not ideal really.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 02:50:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Watching that documentary, it's pretty clear he likes Molde to play by keeping the ball and passing it, in a league where clubs tend to play long balls.

Right that'll do for me, I'm sold. I just want a manager who gets us playing entertaining football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
so he had loads of money to do it .   ;(    thats put me off a bit now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simba on May 17, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on May 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
does he still look about 12 ?

Yes.

Him and Faulkner together could be like our own Jedward.

So that's

Jedward,
Susan Boyle
Elaine Page
Shirley Bassey
Barbara Dickson

and

Mick McCarthy who have all been linked.

I don't know what Bet Fair will make of that.


Please not Susan Boyle - she is another Scottish person
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 17, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
I know it's no excuse as some of you have actual work to be doing, but as I'm right in the midst of final year exams (why do Villa always seem to be in disarray around this time of year?) I've been unable to keep up with the events over the past two days.

Has anyone (bar Ranieri) ruled themselves either in or out? Where's the Solksjaer talk coming from?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 02:54:26 PM
did you see that letter he had, the background is of a full length Alex Ferguson covering the whole page,
 wonder if the one Randy has is the same
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
so he had loads of money to do it .   ;(    thats put me off a bit now

*puts on General's hat*

Yes but just think about what he could do with Randy's Backing!. He'd have his pick of the best free transfers this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:56:43 PM
OGS looks like own goals scored ;(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 17, 2012, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 02:50:49 PM
so he had loads of money to do it .   ;(    thats put me off a bit now
And they conceded a fair few goals too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Just read a chat on kendricks twitter and someone says mrs ogs is a villa fan!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Just read a chat on kendricks twitter and someone says mrs ogs is a villa fan!


yes, but has she got big thruppnies  ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 03:01:30 PM
Theres a lot Villa fans in Norway
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
If we're going to go the OGS supersub route, how about David Fairclough ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2012, 03:02:42 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.

OGS looks like an advanced baseball stat
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
She is. Many years ago Trond Hagenes of the Norwegian Lions recommended three players to Brian Little. Ole, Ronnie Johnsen and Tore Andre Flo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Just read a chat on kendricks twitter and someone says mrs ogs is a villa fan!

i wonder why ? ???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Just read a chat on kendricks twitter and someone says mrs ogs is a villa fan!

In that case I nominate Kate Middleton or Samantha Cameron
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 03:03:54 PM
Well, we signed one of them. Eventually.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 03:04:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
Just read a chat on kendricks twitter and someone says mrs ogs is a villa fan!


yes, but has she got big thruppnies  ?

that is no way to speak of the treacle who is married to potentially our next manager  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.
OMG, will OGS go the same way as AVB?
Will PSG maintain their rapid growth?
Will Killinghall Nomads (KNJ) win next season's league or will PSJ pip them to the tile?

Will TLA dominate our lives for the next 12 months?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.
OMG, will OGS go the same way as AVB?
Will PSG maintain their rapid growth?



Will Killinghall Nomads (KNJ) win next season's league or will PSJ pip them to the tile?

Will TLA dominate our lives for the next 12 months?

tbc ............
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.
OMG, will OGS go the same way as AVB?
Will PSG maintain their rapid growth?
Will Killinghall Nomads (KNJ) win next season's league or will PSJ pip them to the tile?

Will TLA dominate our lives for the next 12 months?

WTF?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: EffDee on May 17, 2012, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
The abbreviation to OGS will have to stop. It makes me think of OGWT and that bloody hippy 'Whispering' Bob Harris. Can we please call him by his proper name or rule him out now? Or sack him.
Will Killinghall Nomads (KNJ) win next season's league?


Without question...NO!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 03:09:43 PM
Maybe SrAlex just tippexed McLeish's name out, and resent the same letter to Randy about OGS ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 03:09:56 PM
Sod it, I've decided I want Solskjaer as our next manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 17, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
I know it is our favourite man again but I found the bit about him being a student of the game from an early age very interesting.....

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1470887_sir-alex-ferguson-tips-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-as-potential-manchester-united-boss
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nicardinho on May 17, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
I'm actually quite excited about the manager this time around. Last season you knew it would be someone shit from the moment Benitez/McLaren/McLeish became the favourites. This time around I think all the names are genuinely interesting prospects (minus Di Matteo, who flopped at West Brom.)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 03:15:34 PM
Wayne Routledge
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 17, 2012, 03:16:27 PM
Lambert, Rodgers or Martinez would undoubtedly be exciting. OGS is so left-field that it may just work. Mad Mick isn't good enough but it'd be more fun than this past season and it'd be hard not to be excited about Ranieri, despite the increased potential of it being a car-crash.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheMalandro on May 17, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?

Ridgewell
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
If he comes i predict the honeymoon will last to the first time we play Man U and the "OT will always be my home" press interviews.  Nah, its a bad idea all round IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 17, 2012, 03:17:39 PM
Quote from: nicardinho on May 17, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
I'm actually quite excited about the manager this time around. Last season you knew it would be someone shit from the moment Benitez/McLaren/McLeish became the favourites. This time around I think all the names are genuinely interesting prospects (minus Di Matteo, who flopped at West Brom.)
Did he? I thought he got them promoted and was then sacked with them still outside the relegation zone? A lot of baggies fans were upset about it and the ones I know all seem to think he was a far more forward thinking manager that Woy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?

Old Graeme Souness
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dicedlam on May 17, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?

Old Graeme Souness

Old Gordon Strachan?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
Greg, I don't understand your objection. They're 'looking abroad', like you wanted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TheMalandro on May 17, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?

Old Gary Speed
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 03:20:11 PM
Greg, I don't understand your objection. They're 'looking abroad', like you wanted.

i meant in decent leagues though. not the scandinavian equivelant of Scotland. Anyway, i'm off out. By the time i get back no doubt someone else will be frontrunner
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 03:24:14 PM
Scotland used to be part of Norway. So, technically....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
I dont think there will ever be a criteria that will suit greg.

He's like Goldilocks in a bedding superstore.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
If he comes i predict the honeymoon will last to the first time we play Man U and the "OT will always be my home" press interviews.  Nah, its a bad idea all round IMO.

I doubt that. Wouldn't his wife withhold certain privileges if he did anything so stupid>
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 17, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
I dont think there will ever be a criteria that will suit greg.

He's like Goldilocks in a bedding superstore.

Very good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
If he comes i predict the honeymoon will last to the first time we play Man U and the "OT will always be my home" press interviews.  Nah, its a bad idea all round IMO.
what if we play Man U away, first game of the season - no honeymoon at all ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: sonlyme on May 17, 2012, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 12:44:19 AM
We've got the Dutch scouting network in place (provided Numan hasn't walked out with his mate) so let's try to look there. Frank de Boer wouldn't be too bad.


Bugger me - things move fast - I didn't know Gary Numan was even interested in football.  Is his friend electric?  We need to be told.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Could be that randy has a shortlist like last time and maybe hes flown to meet ogs before flying here to interview the other candidates on his shortlist?

Not a done deal yet but pretty much seems ogs is in the running.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 03:46:19 PM
i wish they would tell us we will have a new manager on such and such date so i can stop speculating
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 17, 2012, 03:47:32 PM
I enjoyed the link to the list of Norwegian managers.

Per Wind
Ole Mork
Finn Willy Sorensen (sounds like a Norwegian blues singer)
Henry From
Eric Kuld Jensen (reminded me of David Kid Jensen)
Brian Flies (football headline writers dream)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
TheTrees on VT - where the OGS stuff started - now saying that Randy did NOT fly to Norway (but his plane did) and the inference is it was bringing OGS back. ??!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 03:53:20 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
TheTrees on VT - where the OGS stuff started - now saying that Randy did NOT fly to Norway (but his plane did) and the inference is it was bringing OGS back. ??!!

very flash
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2012, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
TheTrees on VT - where the OGS stuff started - now saying that Randy did NOT fly to Norway (but his plane did) and the inference is it was bringing OGS back. ??!!

Oh FFS!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 17, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 17, 2012, 03:47:32 PM
I enjoyed the link to the list of Norwegian managers.

Per Wind
Ole Mork
Finn Willy Sorensen (sounds like a Norwegian blues singer)
Henry From
Eric Kuld Jensen (reminded me of David Kid Jensen)
Brian Flies (football headline writers dream)

Henry From where? On The Buses?  Blue Peter?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 03:54:15 PM
So, how many pages did that take up?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
We simply MUST have a manager called Finn Willy!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: sonlyme on May 17, 2012, 03:56:14 PM
And so the Dark Lord has spoken - he who must not be named has set aside his glass of sherry for a moment - and staring deep into the all-seeing eye of Salford - he has instructed Wormtongue Faulkener to point old King Randy towards the frozen North - and a new messiah.

(http://mbalbert0513.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ole-gunnar-vs-gollum.jpg)

Have a read of this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html)

At least this one look like he knows what he is doing.

Great U tube Video link - thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 17, 2012, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 17, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
Who is OGS?

I am, and so is my wife
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
I can't see the wood for the trees.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 03:17:23 PM
If he comes i predict the honeymoon will last to the first time we play Man U and the "OT will always be my home" press interviews.  Nah, its a bad idea all round IMO.

I will be very upset now if it isn't Solsjkaer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 04:08:41 PM
It'll be worth it just to piss Greg off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
Don't worry - whoever we get will piss him off!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 17, 2012, 04:10:03 PM
It had better not be Solsjkaer.  One year managing the Norwegian equivalent of Moor Green? Come on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 17, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
I'm very much looking forward to tomorrow's speculation....

Kevin Keegan is 250/1 at Betfair.

Odds shortening as we speak.

Stick your fucking house on it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
Why would randy fly him to america and back for an interview when faulkner is not there and randy is flying into britain tomorrow?

Surely they would meet him together in britain? Could be randys plane was on other business and nothing to do with ogs- my cash is still firmly on lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
Oh, and if it pisses off Oliver Holt and James Nursey and Rob 'I look forward to their relegation' Shepherd then so much the better.

Because they will have to suck up to him, and *hard*.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: alteavilla on May 17, 2012, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 17, 2012, 03:56:14 PM
And so the Dark Lord has spoken - he who must not be named has set aside his glass of sherry for a moment - and staring deep into the all-seeing eye of Salford - he has instructed Wormtongue Faulkener to point old King Randy towards the frozen North - and a new messiah.

(http://mbalbert0513.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ole-gunnar-vs-gollum.jpg)

Have a read of this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html)

At least this one look like he knows what he is doing.

Great U tube Video link - thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Randy's plane allegedly went to Norway (without Randy who is in the UK). That is the sum total of all that is known! Get a grip folks!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
Don't worry - whoever we get will piss him off!

Just wait until Greg discovers he's a Liverpool fan as well as ex Man Utd.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Small Rodent on May 17, 2012, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 17, 2012, 03:56:14 PM

Have a read of this...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8897844/Jim-White-Ole-Gunnar-Solskjaer-reveals-why-Manchester-United-hot-seat-is-his-burning-ambition.html)

At least this one look like he knows what he is doing.



Good article. Interesting points about motivation etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Randy's plane allegedly went to Norway (without Randy who is in the UK). That is the sum total of all that is known! Get a grip folks!

I thought randy was flying to uk tomorrow according to various reports?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
He's been in the UK for a couple of days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Des Little on May 17, 2012, 04:23:33 PM
It'll be Di Matteo and I'll be £140 richer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 04:18:09 PM
Randy's plane allegedly went to Norway (without Randy who is in the UK). That is the sum total of all that is known! Get a grip folks!

I thought randy was flying to uk tomorrow according to various reports?
Bloody Hell..keep up man !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 04:27:32 PM
1.I see OGS as a definite positive. He's worked closely with one of the best league managers this country has ever seen, he was a successful player, the first team he has managed has won their first title in over a hundred years.

2.I quite like the prospect of Lambert, although there is the first season syndrome which people go on about.

3.Martinez was slagged off left right and centre just two short months ago.

I'd be chuffed with any of these, but the prospect of OGS intrigues me and he would attract players and the respect of the current squad in my opinion. I honestly would be excited for the first time in years....... :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 04:28:40 PM
right , I refuse to read anymore......   please email anything remotely looking  true  :-[
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 04:28:43 PM
I'd rather OGS than Di Matteo and maybe even Martinez.

Lambert should still be first choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 04:31:36 PM
At least this time there seems a good selection of candidates unlike last season, capello is being lined up by chelsea i hear, so add di matteo to the list and there are maybe 5 credible options.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 17, 2012, 04:34:00 PM
dont know if this has been posted, a documentary on what OGS is doing now. Looks interesting

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 04:39:16 PM
It would take a signing as unexpected as Solskjaer to change expectations. A manager like Lambert or Martinez would come in and a few defeats would be enough to give everyone the shits. Solskjaer could lose games, even have a relatively poor season and still get the benefit of the doubt. Win a few and everything would change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 04:41:51 PM
He's now definite favourite..... well on oddschecker.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 04:41:51 PM
Any reports on what Randy eats for his breakfast? If its bacon and eggs my money's on OGS (recommended by old bacon face himself).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 04:42:56 PM
I can only speak for myself, but I'd be happy to give any new manager time, including Lambert and Martinez.  I think if the signs of progress are there, then results can be forgiven in the short term. 
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
Really hope the OGS rumours are false
It would be a crazy appointment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
Speak for yourself, by September I'm usually wondering where 40 points will come from
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fuse on May 17, 2012, 04:46:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 04:39:16 PM
It would take a signing as unexpected as Solskjaer to change expectations. A manager like Lambert or Martinez would come in and a few defeats would be enough to give everyone the shits. Solskjaer could lose games, even have a relatively poor season and still get the benefit of the doubt. Win a few and everything would change.

That is a great point. I am quite enthused at the prospect of it being OGS, not least because I put a wedge on him this morning before his odds tumbled!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 17, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
Tbh, anyone who comes in and plays football, not the hoofball we've witnessed, gets my vote. 

I think OGS would be a good leftfield appointment, and you can't spend that much time sat next to Fergie without absorbing something worthwhile.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: supertom on May 17, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
For me:
Martinez
Rodgers
OGS
Lambert
AVB
Di Matteo
All yes.
McCarthy, Curbs, (add appropriate outdated hoof merchant).
All no.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
Like the smell of wine
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 17, 2012, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 04:34:00 PM
dont know if this has been posted, a documentary on what OGS is doing now. Looks interesting

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The football looks very impressive.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Fuse on May 17, 2012, 04:46:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 04:39:16 PM
It would take a signing as unexpected as Solskjaer to change expectations. A manager like Lambert or Martinez would come in and a few defeats would be enough to give everyone the shits. Solskjaer could lose games, even have a relatively poor season and still get the benefit of the doubt. Win a few and everything would change.

That is a great point. I am quite enthused at the prospect of it being OGS, not least because I put a wedge on him this morning before his odds tumbled!!

I agree, very good point.

I'd also suggest that, looking at it from OGS's point of view, if he's going to manage a PL side, then we look kind of ideal.

The fact we've just had a godawful season, played terrible football and depressed the shit out of everyone means that he's not going to have to achieve much to make a good fist of it.

That might be enough for him to counteract the "is the job too big for me this early" point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
Really hope the OGS rumours are false
It would be a crazy appointment

Please elaborate and who would you choose and why?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
I suspect it would also annoy Dave Whelan, which would be awesome.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
Whoever it is they must sign Micheal Owen asap!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
I suspect it would also annoy Dave Whelan, which would be awesome.


i like Dave Whelan,  i know i'm the only one, but i still do
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
If these rumours of Randy's plane are true, I might have a small wager on Schadenfreude.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villan1975 on May 17, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
Whoever it is they must sign Micheal Owen asap!
Sarcasm alert....I hope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
If these rumours of Randy's plane are true, I might have a small wager on Schadenfreude.


Schadenfreude  33/1  ( betfred )
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 05:13:16 PM
I think it would be a great gamble. To change direction and start afresh, with new ideas etc, a young, promising manager should be the  way forward. We have tried the old in Houllier, we have tried the steady, mates with the lads, respected but not really that successful in Eck. That leaves the young, fresh inexperienced. More of a gamble, but possibly bigger return.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 17, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
I suspect it would also annoy Dave Whelan, which would be awesome.


i like Dave Whelan,  i know i'm the only one, but i still do

Why? Loathesome old prick he is
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 05:15:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 05:13:16 PM
I think it would be a great gamble. To change direction and start afresh, with new ideas etc, a young, promising manager should be the  way forward. We have tried the old in Houllier, we have tried the steady, mates with the lads, respected but not really that successful in Eck. That leaves the young, fresh inexperienced. More of a gamble, but possibly bigger return.

Does Lambert count as young?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 17, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:09:11 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 05:07:19 PM
I suspect it would also annoy Dave Whelan, which would be awesome.


i like Dave Whelan,  i know i'm the only one, but i still do

Why? Loathesome old prick he is


just think he's basicaly a good egg
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
I know squat all about what he's done, apart from win the Norwegian League. But young, vibrant and certainly had a good mentor and that winning mentality. Hell, why not..bit of a gamble but then, arent they all. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 05:16:48 PM
The more I think on it, the happier I'd be with OGS, he really is the right kind of target, young, good student of the game, well respected in european football, good record so far (despite it being short).  Ticks most of the boxes for me.

The step up in quality could be a concern but until he gets the chance no one knows and all the things I've heard of him suggest he has the right attitude and aptitude to be a big success.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on May 17, 2012, 05:11:06 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:08:27 PM
Whoever it is they must sign Micheal Owen asap!
Sarcasm alert....I hope.
Well spotted !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 05:18:40 PM
I'm getting more and more into the potential idea. Shame it could all be over nothing!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 05:18:59 PM
Can we add OGS to the poll?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Where's Eig Head when you need him? I'm sure he can give us the lowdown on OGS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:23:16 PM
OGS  would be a fantastic choice.I think the players would respond to him and if we are 3-2 down with 3 mins to go he can also put on his boots and score a couple!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ajmant on May 17, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
With the current crop of players we'll be more than 3-2 down with 3 mins to play!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 05:25:41 PM
there is to many people saying they like him,

 its obviously not going to be him now,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: fredm on May 17, 2012, 05:26:34 PM
Presumably OSG had someone with experience alongside him at Molde?  Anyone know anything about his back room staff there?

Would this be the set up with the DOF that was rumoured about initially but then scotched, only I believe on the say so of the B'ham Mail.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: danlanza on May 17, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
Agreed. We need a good few signings this summer and a clear out of the dead wood and the trouble makers,no names mentioned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
Parts of Molde's coaching staff in 2011. Rear from left: Are Lervik, Petter Rudi, Odd Berg, Mark Dempsey, Ole Gunnar Solskjær og Richard Hartis. Front from left: Erling Moe, Knut Hallvard Eikrem og Per Magne Misund

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Moldefk-trenere.jpg/800px-Moldefk-trenere.jpg)

Clarke just left Liverpool, if OGS would want to work with him they'd make a great tandem.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
Parts of Molde's coaching staff in 2011. Rear from left: Are Lervik, Petter Rudi, Odd Berg, Mark Dempsey, Ole Gunnar Solskjær og Richard Hartis. Front from left: Erling Moe, Knut Hallvard Eikrem og Per Magne Misund

Clarke just left Liverpool, if OGS would want to work with him they'd make a great tandem.

All I can think about is the bloke who's name is 'Knut'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
Damn it, why did I let my Golden Muppet status lapse? They must know something. Can I get back in for a few days on a pro rata payment? :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
Damn it, why did I let my Golden Muppet status lapse? They must know something. Can I get back in for a few days on a pro rata payment? :D

We're sworn to secrecy, sadly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:32:36 PM
Damn it, why did I let my Golden Muppet status lapse? They must know something. Can I get back in for a few days on a pro rata payment? :D

We're sworn to secrecy, sadly.

Tease !!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PhilGibson on May 17, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
I think I am more than willing to give him a go (If Ole is the man), no idea how good or bad he will be, no previous real track record (other than Norway), so all we can do is hope for the best and wish him all the luck in the world.

He is young enough to hang around for a good few years and make a really positive impression.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

That's the AVFC Board isn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

That's the AVFC Board isn't it?

I could answer that. But then i'd have to kill you. The Illuminati have nothing on the Super Duper Platinum Muppets.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

That's the AVFC Board isn't it?

I could answer that. But then i'd have to kill you. The Illuminati have nothing on the Super Duper Platinum Muppets.

I did wonder where General K went to...it's all becoming clear now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.

*Nods knowingly to TV and gives secret handshake* 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Solskjaer certainly fits the bill of young and up and coming. I don't know much about his football style at Molde, but his results are impressive. Molde are the kind of 'Andy Murray' club of Norway - perennially second to Rosenborg during their golden age of the 90s - so to win the title with them is a genuine achievement.

He's also unique among the Fergie 'proteges' to actually be just that - a protege. Unlike the likes of McLeish, Bruce or Ince - who Red Nose talks up but never mentored - Ferguson says he often thought Solskjaer would be a good manager. One reason is that what made him such a good player from the bench is that he'd be reading and analysing the game, ready to make an impact. This not only means he's good with subs himself, but in other areas of tactics as well.

He's a good motivator (apparently), very popular with his players and, unlike our last incumbent, humble, deflecting praise to his players and criticism to himself. He'd have to be unflinchingly interviewed - asked about what he'd do specifically were he in charge of the club in terms of playing style, recruitment policy and bringing through the kids, but he certainly isn't the worst suggestion I've heard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 17, 2012, 05:41:48 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 17, 2012, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 17, 2012, 04:34:00 PM
dont know if this has been posted, a documentary on what OGS is doing now. Looks interesting

[ Invalid YouTube link ]
The football looks very impressive.
If you have any doubts or questions about him as a man or a manager, I would recommend this as a watch. The style in which his team plays and the way in which he conducts himself look top drawer to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.

*Nods knowingly to TV and gives secret handshake* 

I'm glad we got rid of the middle finger tickle though...


oh....I've said too much. They're watching us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Solskjaer certainly fits the bill of young and up and coming. I don't know much about his football style at Molde, but his results are impressive. Molde are the kind of 'Andy Murray' club of Norway - perennially second to Rosenborg during their golden age of the 90s - so to win the title with them is a genuine achievement.

He's also unique among the Fergie 'proteges' to actually be just that - a protege. Unlike the likes of McLeish, Bruce or Ince - who Red Nose talks up but never mentored - Ferguson says he often thought Solskjaer would be a good manager. One reason is that what made him such a good player from the bench is that he'd be reading and analysing the game, ready to make an impact. This not only means he's good with subs himself, but in other areas of tactics as well.

He's a good motivator (apparently), very popular with his players and, unlike our last incumbent, humble, deflecting praise to his players and criticism to himself. He'd have to be unflinchingly interviewed - asked about what he'd do specifically were he in charge of the club in terms of playing style, recruitment policy and bringing through the kids, but he certainly isn't the worst suggestion I've heard.


And, he's not from the Blues which is all we care about really eh? ;)

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.

*Nods knowingly to TV and gives secret handshake* 

It all sounds a bit worrying now...think I'll stay on the safe side..!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 05:49:09 PM
Having Solskjaer would also be quite efficient for the crowd. When we string mroe the 3 consecutive passes together, something not seen by a home team at Villa Park in a number of years, we could all shout Ole!

It will not only herald the artistry on the pitch, but salute the manager at the same time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Solskjaer certainly fits the bill of young and up and coming. I don't know much about his football style at Molde, but his results are impressive. Molde are the kind of 'Andy Murray' club of Norway - perennially second to Rosenborg during their golden age of the 90s - so to win the title with them is a genuine achievement.

He's also unique among the Fergie 'proteges' to actually be just that - a protege. Unlike the likes of McLeish, Bruce or Ince - who Red Nose talks up but never mentored - Ferguson says he often thought Solskjaer would be a good manager. One reason is that what made him such a good player from the bench is that he'd be reading and analysing the game, ready to make an impact. This not only means he's good with subs himself, but in other areas of tactics as well.

He's a good motivator (apparently), very popular with his players and, unlike our last incumbent, humble, deflecting praise to his players and criticism to himself. He'd have to be unflinchingly interviewed - asked about what he'd do specifically were he in charge of the club in terms of playing style, recruitment policy and bringing through the kids, but he certainly isn't the worst suggestion I've heard.

And, he's not from the Blues which is all we care about really eh? ;)


If I find out he so much as smiled  in the geographical direction of the sty everything I've said is null and void.

Just found a good quote from him. After a match against Spartak Moscow in some Cold Countries' Cup or other, he was critical of the dirty, defensive Spartak and said: "If one of my teams ever plays in the way Spartak did today, tell me straight away so I can end my managerial career. But I am pleased that my lads tried to play good football despite the opponents’ dirty tricks and fouls. I would never want my team to leave that sort of impression". That's my kind of guy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.

*Nods knowingly to TV and gives secret handshake* 

I'm glad we got rid of the middle finger tickle though...


oh....I've said too much. They're watching us.

Hate to tell you this, but there never was a middle finger tickle. Whoever did it to you must have just liked you. A lot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

where do you think up and coming managers come from? They cut their teeth somewhere, and usually in an inferior league to the major leagues in Europe. They have to be given a chance at some stage, and the last thing you want is to see one of them end up at a rival club and think why weren't we in for him? Egil Olsen had been a manager for 30 odd years and until Wimbledon, and had no experience playing or managing in England. Solskjaer is exactly the opposite. You can't just take one bad experience and rule out an entire nation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

Hmm here we go again 'A club the size of Aston Villa'. This huge club has struggled for some time now and needs to know its place. Yes we have history but thats exactly what it is. We need to stop these delusions of grandeur and try and get back to pace with modern football if we have any aspirations of rejoining the elite, which is something we're nowhere near at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 17, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 17, 2012, 04:10:03 PM
It had better not be Solsjkaer.  One year managing the Norwegian equivalent of Moor Green? Come on

And winning the Norwegian equivalent of The Premier League with them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
If Twitter is to be believed, Steve Kean just became available. It's time to pounce.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 17, 2012, 05:59:54 PM
If this is true then he will have good knowledge of the Scandanavian market, a place where we have found some gems in the past
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: avfcpg on May 17, 2012, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

Hmm here we go again 'A club the size of Aston Villa'. This huge club has struggled for some time now and needs to know its place. Yes we have history but thats exactly what it is. We need to stop these delusions of grandeur and try and get back to pace with modern football if we have any aspirations of rejoining the elite, which is something we're nowhere near at the moment.

Totally agree...we are all (well most) quite happy to have Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers and where did they start? In fact, where are they now. They haven't pulled up any trees yet to be fair. I'd add Ole Gunnar to the above in the "yea, would be happy with that" bracket. God know's we need a bit of excitement.

We are never going to get an AVB, Hiddink type manager. Not in our current state anyway..
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:00:42 PM
I'm really warming to the idea of Solskjaer, sounds like he tries to play good football and is a high profile name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:00:49 PM
It would be brilliant if we got him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 06:03:10 PM
Another point is that the Norwegian league is a bit like the Championship - probably not far off the standard, if it is off it at all - and he won it with good football, by the sounds of things. If you can implement passing football in a physical league with a poor standard of refereeing, and win, then you have to have something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Mysteryman on Villatalk has endorsed the Solskjaer rumour(now I know he ballsed up on Mcleish, but still).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 17, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

where do you think up and coming managers come from? They cut their teeth somewhere, and usually in an inferior league to the major leagues in Europe. They have to be given a chance at some stage, and the last thing you want is to see one of them end up at a rival club and think why weren't we in for him? Egil Olsen had been a manager for 30 odd years and until Wimbledon, and had no experience playing or managing in England. Solskjaer is exactly the opposite. You can't just take one bad experience and rule out an entire nation.

Lambert is not really a manager with that much more top level experience. Him and Rodgers are only in their 1st season as Premiership managers and if it wasnt for the fact that so many teams have been shite this year could quite easily have ben amongst the strugglers
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
Why is everyone fussed about the standard of the Norwegian league? He can only work with and against what is on offer. Doing well in any league indicates you are a good manager (provided you are consistently successful).

If Alex Ferguson managed in the Norwegian league would that make him a worse manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 17, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
Solskjaer along with Laursen as coach gets my vote. Norwich,Wigan,Swansea can all fuck off with their we are bigger than Villa bollox.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
Apart from being at work so unable to cash in (bugger) I am excited, and there are not many that excite me too much on the list. Who called him first on this thread?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Martinez given permission for talks with Liverpool. Thats one down, apparently DW has cum in his pants that a club the size of Liverpool would be interested in someone he classes as a son.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 17, 2012, 06:09:45 PM
William Hill are offering odds (admittedly only 66-1) of Emile Heskey being the next manager. I'm surprised he's even on the list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Shrek on May 17, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
Why is everyone fussed about the standard of the Norwegian league? He can only work with and against what is on offer. Doing well in any league indicates you are a good manager (provided you are consistently successful).

If Alex Ferguson managed in the Norwegian league would that make him a worse manager?

Mcleish won titles in Scotland and got blues promoted in the championship, so it's not so black and white.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 17, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Martinez given permission for  talks with Liverpool.
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Martinez given permission for  talks with Liverpool.
Cue Whelan spouting about what a pleasure it is letting his manager go to a massive club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:00:42 PM
I'm really warming to the idea of Solskjaer, sounds like he tries to play good football and is a high profile name.

I'm in the same boat.

Ole is a bright and likeable figure. And I think he would bring some optimism to Villa Park, and surely be given the patience of the supporters. Someone who has been under the wing of SAF during their glory years has to know something about football.. Winning is winning.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 17, 2012, 06:16:31 PM
OGS? Fuck it...why not?

Every manager is a risk and unproven until we see results on the pitch at Villa Park.

I'm sure Randy would get another highly recommended letter from SAF too!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 17, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
The guys young and hungry for sucess, isnt that what everyone was calling for.

Bring it on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:20:17 PM
The more I think about this, if it's true. I think it's a great idea and no risk, no reward. It could if he's given decent backing be a masterstroke.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Mysteryman on Villatalk has endorsed the Solskjaer rumour(now I know he ballsed up on Mcleish, but still).

Endorsed as in said he thinks it's a good move or as in saying there's some truth in it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 17, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
Just hope that the board back him and support him. Also, that the fans are patient enough to let him settle in. Must admit I find it laughable that Liverpool have gone for Martinez. Won the total amount of fuck all. Bizarre.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Shrek on May 17, 2012, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:07:11 PM
Why is everyone fussed about the standard of the Norwegian league? He can only work with and against what is on offer. Doing well in any league indicates you are a good manager (provided you are consistently successful).

If Alex Ferguson managed in the Norwegian league would that make him a worse manager?

Mcleish won titles in Scotland and got blues promoted in the championship, so it's not so black and white.

My point is though that just because someone manages in a weaker league doesn't mean they are definitely a weaker manager. It wouldn't turn me off the idea of having him as our manager because he's from Norwegian football.

At the same time you're saying success in a weaker league doesn't mean you're a good manager.

And you're spot on there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Hoppo on May 17, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
Endorsed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 17, 2012, 06:23:28 PM
If he did get the job,it would be interesting to see what 'older head' he got in as an assistant.

 My big fear with McLeish was that all the good work done with the youth was being drummed out of them by our negative statuesque play.

He would offer a refreshing approach which would surely benefit the youngsters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 06:23:41 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 17, 2012, 06:07:45 PM
Solskjaer along with Laursen as coach gets my vote. Norwich,Wigan,Swansea can all fuck off with their we are bigger than Villa bollox.

Sounds good to me!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
Martinez given permission for talks with Liverpool.

Where's that come from?

Nobody wants AVB then : http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7762618/No-offers-for-AVB-agent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 17, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Mysteryman on Villatalk has endorsed the Solskjaer rumour(now I know he ballsed up on Mcleish, but still).

Endorsed as in said he thinks it's a good move or as in saying there's some truth in it?

He's 100% positive it's a done deal.  'The press conference will be Monday but deal will be done in next 24 hours.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

Hmm here we go again 'A club the size of Aston Villa'. This huge club has struggled for some time now and needs to know its place. Yes we have history but thats exactly what it is. We need to stop these delusions of grandeur and try and get back to pace with modern football if we have any aspirations of rejoining the elite, which is something we're nowhere near at the moment.

A club that two years ago finished sixth, got to the League Cup Final and the FA Cup Semi-final. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 17, 2012, 05:48:08 PM
OGS would be an extremely underwhelming signing imo.  He won the league in Norway with Molde which is a good achievement but managing a club the size of Aston Villa is a totally different prospect. Egil Olsen did well in Norway and was a total disaster at Wimbledon.   I really, really hope this is just some bullshit rumour. 

Hmm here we go again 'A club the size of Aston Villa'. This huge club has struggled for some time now and needs to know its place. Yes we have history but thats exactly what it is. We need to stop these delusions of grandeur and try and get back to pace with modern football if we have any aspirations of rejoining the elite, which is something we're nowhere near at the moment.

A club that two years ago finished sixth, got to the League Cup Final and the FA Cup Semi-final. 

And were so far away from winning any of them its untrue. Even against Utd's reserves I might add.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 17, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Mysteryman on Villatalk has endorsed the Solskjaer rumour(now I know he ballsed up on Mcleish, but still).

Endorsed as in said he thinks it's a good move or as in saying there's some truth in it?

He's 100% positive it's a done deal.  'The press conference will be Monday but deal will be done in next 24 hours.'

Thanks.

Sounds like this is a goer then!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 17, 2012, 06:28:42 PM
OGS also has the background of looking after the youth and I reckon that might well be the big attraction to the Board.

I'm quite excited, it could be great (and then he will replace SAF at Utd!!!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villajk on May 17, 2012, 06:29:18 PM
Not sure how reliable his ITK is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 06:29:45 PM
Paul Brown on twitter said: "Would you like to be Villa manager one day?" Martin Laursen replied: "You don't need to ask that Paul. It would be a dream."

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
Mysteryman on Villatalk has endorsed the Solskjaer rumour(now I know he ballsed up on Mcleish, but still).

Endorsed as in said he thinks it's a good move or as in saying there's some truth in it?

He essentially said that what 'Trees' had been saying is true. So the latter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 06:31:59 PM
R5 just confirmed Martinez talking to Liverpoo. Whelan must have agreed his transfer fee. Wanker! I'm very surprised that they want Martinez though. Oh well!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 06:32:00 PM
More positive about it after watching the video. Seems like a lovely place he is at now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 06:34:59 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

Personally, I'd back OGS over Rodgers any day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 06:36:27 PM
It wont be Martinez. Liverpool ask for permission to speak to him, Wigan say yes. On the BBC now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

It's still nothing more than internet rumour and people throwing money at bookies. According to R5 'a source close to Villa' says we haven't even drawn up a shortlist yet!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

It's still nothing more than internet rumour and people throwing money at bookies. According to R5 'a source close to Villa' says we haven't even drawn up a shortlist yet!

I think R5 might be well off the mark there. They realised he was going after Bolton, do you think they wouldn't have started working out who they wanted then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr underhill on May 17, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
ogs is a brilliantly inventive enterprising move. Not much experience but was a great player, appears to be a motivator, young, dynamic and won't come with any baggage. like it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

yep. Seems after all the turmoil last season they're willing to take another leap in the dark. He'll jump at the chance i guess but it could go tits-up very quickly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

It's still nothing more than internet rumour and people throwing money at bookies. According to R5 'a source close to Villa' says we haven't even drawn up a shortlist yet!

I think R5 might be well off the mark there. They realised he was going after Bolton, do you think they wouldn't have started working out who they wanted then?

I'm happy to be wrong, but they didn't have a bloody clue last year did they?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

How is it ridiculous? Is it because we haven't seen him manage in the Prem? So what?

Would you have said Lambert or Rodgers would have been ridiculous this time last year?

Let's take a risk and try and be ahead of the game shall we?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 17, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

yep. Seems after all the turmoil last season they're willing to take another leap in the dark. He'll jump at the chance i guess but it could go tits-up very quickly.
You hope more like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

Yeah how come Liverpool Sacked Kenny yesterday and now have permission to talk to Martinez? Did we not ask then? have we not asked Norwich?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

Yeah how come Liverpool Sacked Kenny yesterday and now have permission to talk to Martinez? Did we not ask then? have we not asked Norwich?

Maybe just maybe we didn't want to talk to them?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2012, 06:43:34 PM
Maybe we have asked Norwich and they've said no, or we've spoken to lambert and he's not interested?
Let's face it, he heard first hand on Sunday what lies in store for him if it alk goes wrong!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 17, 2012, 06:43:51 PM
If it is Solskjaer then it intrigues me. A player who has played at Man Utd for over a decade under one of- if not the- greatest managers of all time must be pretty clued up I'd say. He's a relatively big name with a lot to prove to drive him on.

It is risky however, and after the last couple of appointments I'd have thought the board would have wanted a safer option if there is such a thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

yep. Seems after all the turmoil last season they're willing to take another leap in the dark. He'll jump at the chance i guess but it could go tits-up very quickly.
You hope more like.

Was Greg not saying he wanted a continental manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 17, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I may be going off on a tangent here but can I just say what a lovely pair of norks Kirsty Gallagher has.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PhilGibson on May 17, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
This summer reminds me of two distinct summers from years gone by.

1. The summer Platt left 'Big Ron' joined and signed a virtual brand new team with the money from Bari. Lots of optimism with a new manager and new team.
2. The summer we signed Mark Draper and Southgate. Brian Little built a new side which beat Man United 3-1 on the opening game of the season.

I just feel we have an opportunity this summer to build again within a renewed sense of hope and optimism, we have issues and certain players need to move on for us to grow. Fingers crossed it all goes well...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

yep. Seems after all the turmoil last season they're willing to take another leap in the dark. He'll jump at the chance i guess but it could go tits-up very quickly.
You hope more like.

Hardly.  I wasn't at the head of the mob on here going after Houllier and AM. If we go for him good luck to him but it really is a risk imo. A lot of people on here seem to want him on the fact that they like him more than anything in his CV.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 06:25:55 PM
A club that two years ago finished sixth, got to the League Cup Final and the FA Cup Semi-final. 

And don't they look great on our honours list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Simba on May 17, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
OGS? Well put ourselves in Randy's shoes/wallet and it makes sense. We can't afford big names but have a core of youngsters who were brought through in a fluid, attack minded, successful (academy/reserves) style. Add OGS. Catalyst he might be. Worked with young players, has experienced the best, certainly attack minded with
(apparently) a fine appreciation of the tactical game. Certainly ambitious. I think he would work well with K Mac.

We would need a spine of experienced pro's to help. But older heads with the same footballing philosphy. We are hopefully losing our clumsy old buggars so we will need a few footballers in the short term.

Risky of course given only lesser league sucess. But I like it. Maybe need a DoF. Maybe.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 06:47:18 PM
Quote
First step into coaching
 
Solskjær signed his last player contract with Manchester United on 31 March 2006, with a provision to allow him to develop his coaching awards. He also acted in an ambassadorial role for the club, when he travelled to Hong Kong in 2006 and played with students at the Manchester United Soccer School in Hong Kong. When interviewed by Setanta Sports in August 2007, Solskjær confirmed he would train to be a coach after retiring from professional football, and would start to earn the required badges after his last season with Manchester United. Following his retirement, Solskjær worked for Alex Ferguson at Old Trafford, coaching the strikers on the first team for the remainder of the 2007–08 season.
 
As announced on 20 May 2008, he took over the Manchester United Reserves during the summer of 2008. He won the 2007–08 Lancashire Senior Cup by defeating the Liverpool Reserves 3–2 in the final.[11] On 12 May 2010, Solskjær won his first Manchester Senior Cup by defeating Bolton 1–0 at the Reebok Stadium.[12]
 
Shortly after the resignation of Åge Hareide from the position, Solskjær was offered the opportunity to coach the Norwegian national team; he declined, saying that it was not yet the right time for him to become the Norway coach.[13] Solskjær's final game as Manchester United Reserves manager was a 5–1 victory over Newcastle United on 16 December 2010.[14]
 
[edit] Molde
 
On 9 November 2010, Solskjær signed a four-year contract with the Norwegian side Molde FK to take over as manager, where he played prior to moving to Manchester United.[15] Solskjær continued as Manchester United Reserves manager until January 2011, when he took over at Molde for the start of the new season.[16]
 
Molde played their first league game under Solskjær on the 18 March 2011 and suffered an embarrassing 3–0 defeat to newly promoted Sarpsborg 08. They played their first home game of the season on 3 April, where despite coming from 1–0 down to lead 2–1 they were held to a 2–2 draw by league leaders Tromsø. Molde's first goal under Solskjær was scored in this game, by Senegalese striker Pape Paté Diouf. On 17 April 2011, Solskjær won his first Tippeliga game at Molde with the 3–2 home win over Stabæk. On Molde's 100 years anniversary on 19 June 2011, Solskjær lead the team to a 2–0 victory over Sogndal and the top of the Tippeliga. On 30 October 2011, Solskjær won the Tippeliga with Molde in his first year as manager for the team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
I've flip flopped on this like a bastard all day. There will be a media circus around him from his Man U days and it will get pretty syruppy when he plays against his old boss. Still, if this is true, then not only does it draw us back into the media spotlight in a positive way, but it is very inventive indeed. He's clearly an up and coming manager and has done well in a short time. Fabulous player, with an incredible exposure to one of the best club teams of our generation and certainly one of the greatest managers. Hate him all you want, that is undeniable. I read the article posted a few pages back and he certainly has comething about him in how he handles himself.

This would be very interesting indeed. We'd certainly play football the right way.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

don't hurt yourself trying to figure him out Damon. We could appoint Guardiola and Greg won't like how Pep is spelt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 17, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
Interesting choice if this is true. God knows if its a good one, but why not?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
Quote
Managerial
 
As of 27 November 2011[27]
 
Team                From                   To            Record       G    W    D    L  GF  GA  Win %
Molde FK9 November 2010        Present                        35   21    7    7  79  43   60.00
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
Well plenty of people wanted to know what you meant by 'abroad' and you just said 'abroad'.

Anyway the Isle of Skye isn't abroad. Portree are crap though
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 06:55:42 PM
All this OGS talk could well be a load a crap we don't know, but if they are talking to him it's a brave move and at least they're showing some imagination.

Personally i think he needs to carry on cutting his managerial teeth for another couple of years before he comes over here and takes a Premiership team to the likes of Old Trafford and the Emirates but if he does come, at least we could all sing Baby Face to him Al Jolson style.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I may be going off on a tangent here but can I just say what a lovely pair of norks Kirsty Gallagher has.

Good call.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbXz7kT1QwYNIlIFJa9xd-iHuSxqgdsdN22gtJG_8nOMWeMPho9A)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league
Have you actually suggested a possible candidate, or are you doing your usual spiel of being against everything and for nothing?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Ridiculous move in my opinion. Stop pissing about and get Lambert or Rodgers.

Yeah how come Liverpool Sacked Kenny yesterday and now have permission to talk to Martinez? Did we not ask then? have we not asked Norwich?

Maybe just maybe we didn't want to talk to them?

Yes I know that, that's part of my question really, we should be!

Not sure about Ole Gunnar Solskjær its a bit too much of a lap of faith.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

yeah and it was a huge risk at the time and was acknowleged as such. How many other Wenger's have there been since?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
Agree with you clampy but we will see and back him- stu , now ive got to see with cushion on my lap having seen that kirsty pic.

Where has chris smith gone, not seen him for a while?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

He had already won the League with Monaco which is a lot different
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 17, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
Well plenty of people wanted to know what you meant by 'abroad' and you just said 'abroad'.

Anyway the Isle of Skye isn't abroad. Portree are crap though

Not as good as Kyleakin but doing okay actually. (http://www.slafa.org.uk/league.php)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 17, 2012, 07:02:13 PM
Just hope that if he comes we can cope whilst hes away filming the next Hobbit film
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I may be going off on a tangent here but can I just say what a lovely pair of norks Kirsty Gallagher has.

Good call.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbXz7kT1QwYNIlIFJa9xd-iHuSxqgdsdN22gtJG_8nOMWeMPho9A)

She was glowing when I left the house an hour ago. Looking very well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

yeah and it was a huge risk at the time and was acknowleged as such. How many other Wenger's have there been since?

Well yeah obviously most risks don't come off, that's why they're risks.

But let's go for it eh??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

yeah and it was a huge risk at the time and was acknowleged as such. How many other Wenger's have there been since?

Wenger is unique and it was a risk, but why not? Or are you advocating, go with what you know? We may as well stick Curbs in there or give Megson a shot? In fact we should have just hung on McLeish and booked our ticket to oblivion. He would be a gamble but his background is incredible. Not your regular managerial hire.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

yeah and it was a huge risk at the time and was acknowleged as such. How many other Wenger's have there been since?

But most managerial appointments are the same names from the same pool of the same type of managers - Bruce, McCarthy etc - so not many Wengers have even been attempted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 17, 2012, 07:05:00 PM
So would it be

a) O-lay-gunn-ars claret and blue army
b) sol-shy-ers claret and blue army
or
c) Ole ole, ole ole, gunner solskjaer, gunner solskjaer
????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
Apparently Randy's in Norway.
Solskjaer is the new bookies favorite.
This would certainly be an interesting appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 07:06:59 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 17, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 17, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 06:47:08 PM
Hang on Greg, you want them - to use your own words - 'to look abroad' and then as soon as they do, they should stop pissing about and go for Lambert or Rodgers.

I'm fucking glad you weren't in charge of the D-Day landings. We'd have invaded Dorset

I already answered this Damon. Norway is not a top league abroad..  Presumably when i said look abroad you took that to mean anywhere from the isle of sky to Albania provided they have a league

Do you think Arsenal should never have gone in for Arsene Wenger when they brought him over from the Japanese League?

Ignorance.

He had already won the League with Monaco which is a lot different

That was nearly a decade before Arsenal went in for him. He won 2 trophies in 7 years; hardly mind blowing. It was a massive risk for Arsenal.

The fans hadn't even heard of him at all..... we've all heard of Solksjaer at least.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
My only worry is could Ole handle out egos? He's not senior enough to put Dunne or Collins in their place. We would need an asst. coach to really focus on the defense. I don't think that's Solskjaer's specialty. However, I think he could make our midfield and strikers click. Goals galore.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 17, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I may be going off on a tangent here but can I just say what a lovely pair of norks Kirsty Gallagher has.

Good call.

(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbXz7kT1QwYNIlIFJa9xd-iHuSxqgdsdN22gtJG_8nOMWeMPho9A)

She was glowing when I left the house an hour ago. Looking very well.

blow up doll caught on fire again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:07:24 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 17, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
Apparently Randy's in Norway.
Solskjaer is the new bookies favorite.
This would certainly be an interesting appointment.

I take it you havent been here in the last 7 hours then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 17, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Wigan give permission for Loverpool to speak to Martinez. SSN Breaking News ....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 07:09:35 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 17, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
Apparently Randy's in Norway.
Solskjaer is the new bookies favorite.
This would certainly be an interesting appointment.

Apparently.. Randy's plane has landed in Kristiansund, but no actual confirmation if Randy's even on the plane, or what his plans are. Bringing back Ole with him tomorrow?

(http://p.twimg.com/AtHcZ0lCQAAEy87.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
I think some people won't be happy unless we get Mourinho and give him a couple of hundred million to spend.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:10:19 PM
Dave Whelan:

"I have always said when a big club comes, I will give permission and they don't come any bigger than Liverpool."

Tosser.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 17, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
Apparently Randy's in Norway.
Solskjaer is the new bookies favorite.
This would certainly be an interesting appointment.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/128/slowpoke_pokemon.gif)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
R5 just said that Liverpoo will be talking to more candidates than just Martinez!

Also, Clarke is still at Liverpoo, his resignation was not accepted! Interesting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:11:37 PM
Steve bruce and roy keane spent years under fergie but i certainly wouldnt want them- ogs will be a risk but he can hardly do worse than mcleish and seems a reasonable choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Situation on May 17, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
I wonder how that guy who works at BHX feels about how he's completely changed the betting stakes for our new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2012, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 17, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
I wonder how that guy who works at BHX feels about how he's completely changed the betting stakes for our new manager.

Fairly good, I guess he got his bet on before he disclosed the news!!

Re: Whelan, see he's whoring himself to the media again, just like last year.  I bet Liverpool wouldn't have made it public.  I bet they don't go for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 17, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
I wonder how that guy who works at BHX feels about how he's completely changed the betting stakes for our new manager.

More powerful than you could possibly imagine!  I expect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:10:19 PM
Dave Whelan:

"I have always said when a big club comes, I will give permission and they don't come any bigger than Liverpool."

Tosser.



He talks like he's sitting on Mourinho. Honestly, can anyone tell me what Martinez had actually done to afford all this talk?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 07:14:31 PM
Something like that toronto!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 17, 2012, 07:11:52 PM
I wonder how that guy who works at BHX feels about how he's completely changed the betting stakes for our new manager.

Maybe its a red herring to get lamberts price out and he can bang all his cash on lambert - ha ha.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.  The sort of signing that John Blackwell would approve of, I'd have thought.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.  The sort of signing that John Blackwell would approve of, I'd have thought.

I was asking where he was the other night. I can't believe he hasn't signed up here again to talk about third division Norge players that will be the next Messi. At the age of 29.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.  The sort of signing that John Blackwell would approve of, I'd have thought.

fuck me Risso. He'll have had 4 paragraphs written about his upbringing, his pets and his bottle top collection before he delved into the merits of his managerial ability. Having done that, he'd have given us 14 more alternatives from Scandanavia, South America and some island just west of the moon, with a full breakdown on signings and how they draw arrows on the wipe board.

ps. you find it exciting because it would be completely different. Even I've been carried away with it all and I wasn't so sure earlier today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.  The sort of signing that John Blackwell would approve of, I'd have thought.

I was asking where he was the other night. I can't believe he hasn't signed up here again to talk about third division Norge players that will be the next Messi. At the age of 29]

Edit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 07:20:10 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:17:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.  The sort of signing that John Blackwell would approve of, I'd have thought.

I was asking where he was the other night. I can't believe he hasn't signed up here again to talk about third division Norge players that will be the next Messi. At the age of 29.

Im still wondering where chris smith has gone?

He is everywhere, and nowhere all at once.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect. God knows we've had few enough of them for a couple of years. Signing Bent, maybe. Albrighton's game against West Ham. And that's about it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:10:19 PM
Dave Whelan:

"I have always said when a big club comes, I will give permission and they don't come any bigger than Liverpool."

Tosser.



He talks like he's sitting on Mourinho. Honestly, can anyone tell me what Martinez had actually done to afford all this talk?

I think he's a decent manager who tries to do things in the right way.  It's clear he's still learning his trade though, and I think he'll be a disaster for Liverpool if they appoint him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect.

It is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 07:22:15 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 17, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:10:19 PM
Dave Whelan:

"I have always said when a big club comes, I will give permission and they don't come any bigger than Liverpool."

Tosser.



He talks like he's sitting on Mourinho. Honestly, can anyone tell me what Martinez had actually done to afford all this talk?

I think he's a decent manager who tries to do things in the right way.  It's clear he's still learning his trade though, and I think he'll be a disaster for Liverpool if they appoint him.

Which would be so funny!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:11:37 PM
Steve bruce and roy keane spent years under fergie but i certainly wouldnt want them- ogs will be a risk but he can hardly do worse than mcleish and seems a reasonable choice.

I think it's moreso that he would be capable of making our offense click. We have a lot more offensive talent than this past season shows, and RL knows he needs to right man to get it out of them. The youngsters I'm sure LOVE Solskjaer, and he could certainly help Gabby. He would use Ireland properly and see a lot more value in N'Zogbia than Eck did.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 17, 2012, 07:23:18 PM
Dave Whelan really does my head in, always has done.  Typical northern flat cap corner shop gobshite.  Heard him gushing over Liverpool and it made me want to throw up.

I'm sold on Solskjaer by the way.  Like the cut of his jib and it would be a bold move by us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect.

It is.

Yeah, it's definitely grown on me too.  I think it shows some balls and imagination.  Either that or they went for Lambert / Martinez and the answer was no, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and believe the first option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect.

It is.

Too true.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect. God knows we've had few enough of them for a couple of years. Signing Bent, maybe. Albrighton's game against West Ham. And that's about it.

I'd add Gabby's hat-trick on the opening day against Man City to the list. I genuinely thought he was going to be our legendary out and out striker after that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect.

It is.

Yeah, it's definitely grown on me too.  I think it shows some balls and imagination.  Either that or they went for Lambert / Martinez and the answer was no, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and believe the first option.

If we'd gone for Martinez again you can bet that twat Whelan would have let the whole world know about it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
I said yesterday if Liverpool got Martinez and we got Lambert we'd have got the better deal. OGS may be an unknown quantity, but I'd go so far as to say the same would apply. I think a lot of players would sit up and take notice.

With Lambert or OGS we'd end up with a Champions League winner at the head of affairs. With Martinez you're getting somebody who has a good track record of getting five or six good performances in a row at the end of a season. I know which I'd prefer to see at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 07:26:20 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 07:20:23 PM
Risso's right, it's actually an exciting prospect.

It is.

Yeah, it's definitely grown on me too.  I think it shows some balls and imagination.  Either that or they went for Lambert / Martinez and the answer was no, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and believe the first option.

If we'd gone for Martinez again you can bet that twat Whelan would have let the whole world know about it!

You're probably right, James.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 17, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
And Herd taking his totally unwarranted red card against the tescobags with such self control and dignity.  I rate that moment high in my personal player hall of fame at the cauldron of hate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Id be hoping ogs can see gabby isnt good enough and brings in better players - most of the current lot are just not good enough and a big overhaul would be welcome.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
I actually really want us to hire him now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.

It's a bit like finding out there's a new Swedish girl about to join your class at school.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 17, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
And Herd taking his totally unwarranted red card against the tescobags with such self control and dignity.  I rate that moment high in my personal player hall of fame at the cauldron of hate.

Oh god I was so angry.

But I can remember going even more berserk when they missed the penalty ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.

It's a bit like finding out there's a new Swedish girl about to join your class at school.

and that she has big tits and plays decent attacking football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 07:33:38 PM
OGS is the first name that we have been linked with that has actually made me think "Yeah! This could be good!", so on that basis alone he has gone to the top of my wanted list.

Not to mention he has a title under his belt, he is the kind of new-thinking, up-and-coming, exciting prospect that I've been hoping we'd be after, seems to have a good footballing vision and philosophy....

I don't know, it's a bit irrational really, but I already think I'll be disappointed if we don't go for him!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
I actually really want us to hire him now.

Me too, but it's still not much more than internet rumour is it? Still, can't help thinking that he'd run rings around Dunne, well ...



laps actually!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Si on May 17, 2012, 07:37:57 PM
Everton took a risk with Moyles from Preston, thats worked out ok. OGS will certainly be an interesting move. The media will love him, which after this year would raise our profile again.  If he can bring a few nasty Vikings to play in defence, then great. Lets hope its true Villa need to do something different, and this certainly would be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: alan_clarke on May 17, 2012, 07:39:47 PM
Would still prefer Lambert but I'd certainly be appeased by the Baby Faced Assassin.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Whelan is such a grade a twat. I really hope Racist FC don't offer the job to Martinez. And that the only other club who come knocking on his door and offer a contract for his precious manager are Blackburn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:15:23 PM
Anyway, I don't know why but I find the prospect of appointing OGS strangely exciting.

It's a bit like finding out there's a new Swedish girl about to join your class at school.

and that she has big tits and plays decent attacking football.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tzUcL2Qmi3Q/Tx7cthUgnwI/AAAAAAAAINQ/6FADo0Oy4Hw/s400/300px-Julian_Assange_26C3.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: charlie on May 17, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
If Martinez goes to Pool and does his usual crap start and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are 17th in November..................................................... hohoho
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 07:46:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Whelan is such a grade a twat. I really hope Racist FC don't offer the job to Martinez. And that the only other club who come knocking on his door and offer a contract for his precious manager are Blackburn.

In a way I hope that Martinez goes to Liverpool so that we get to see Whelan's Wigan become the new whipping boys of the league and go down without a whimper.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Whelan is such a grade a twat. I really hope Racist FC don't offer the job to Martinez. And that the only other club who come knocking on his door and offer a contract for his precious manager are Blackburn.


i like him, and Stan Collymore     ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
I concur OGS would be an exciting appointment, in the sense he's a bit of an unknown quantity.
I'd see it as a really bold positive move as opposed to going down the Martinez, lambert, Rodgers route.
& yes, we may get first dibs on Utds cast offs
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
I would rather have Lambert or Rodgers who have proven themselves in the Premier League. Both would also be a show of intent as we would have to get them off a club that was pretty unwilling to let them go. Like we did with Atkinson and Little who both turned out to be good appointments.

If the Board think they can't get the above, then I appreciate their willingness to look abroad. It's about time we ditched the "Premier League experience" nonsense, rather than settling for any idiot who can find Birmingham on a map, like we did last year.

That said, there are far better managers abroad we could approach. While the likes of Villas-Boas are probably unlikely, McLeish was the twentieth best-paid manager in the World last year. I fail to see how we can't get a bigger-name who would help fill Villa Park again. Such a manager would hopefully have an extensive list of contacts to help us try to get some of the most promising players in Europe. I certainly prefer that option to a guy who may be tempted to phone some grumpy git in Manchester and say "Dad, sorry... Sir Alex, can we loan Jonny Evans please?".

If Martinez goes to Liverpool or Lambert or Rodgers go to Villa then I think Solsjkaer would make an ideal appointment at the likes of Wigan, Norwich or Swansea. If he proved himself at a club like that I'd have no problem with us appointing him in the future. I don't think he's ready for it now though.

The news that we are (probably) in for him, coupled with the news that we are not appointing a Director of Football says to me we are looking to do things on the cheap. Even if Solsjkaer turns out to be a managerial genius, he'll struggle to achieve anything at Villa if that's the case.

Sorry to be a misery-arse when many of you seem excited at the prospect, but I've had a season of trying to be cheerful in the face of adversity so now it's my turn!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KRS on May 17, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Id be hoping ogs can see gabby isnt good enough and brings in better players - most of the current lot are just not good enough and a big overhaul would be welcome.
You're right and wholesale changes to the squad are a massive issue for any new manager that comes in.

If I was Randy and couldnt afford to push for CL by competing financially, then my approach would be to invest in young talent at reasonable prices with a young manager who has a good footballing ethos. We may have to settle for mid-table for a few seasons, but at the very least it would be exciting and entertaining.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 07:53:54 PM
Martinez to Liverpool has all the hallmarks of a disaster
Marvellous
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
Also another benefit, he can turn around to any of our disruptive players and say 'what the fuck have you won?'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 17, 2012, 07:55:47 PM
Not another Fergie recommendation. He's basically saying "thanks for another 6 points lads, ha ha mugs!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 07:57:23 PM
Bloody hell a manager link and were all excited for once, get it done Randy, thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 07:57:25 PM
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
OGS is going to be gutted if and when he leaves Molde, it looks a stunning place to live.

My choice would still be Lambert personally but Solskjaer is a nice idea.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 07:53:54 PM
Martinez to Liverpool has all the hallmarks of a disaster
Marvellous


has all the hallmarks of a marriage made in heaven, someone who will play stlyish football and have the backing to buy the players to play it.
he will be a big success for them

which is unfortunate as i like Martinez but dislike liverpool

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 17, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Id be hoping ogs can see gabby isnt good enough and brings in better players - most of the current lot are just not good enough and a big overhaul would be welcome.
You're right and wholesale changes to the squad are a massive issue for any new manager that comes in.

If I was Randy and couldnt afford to push for CL by competing financially, then my approach would be to invest in young talent at reasonable prices with a young manager who has a good footballing ethos. We may have to settle for mid-table for a few seasons, but at the very least it would be exciting and entertaining.

If ever a manager was well-equipped to get the best out of strikers, OGS is him. I'd be inclined to let him have a season with Gabby before deciding to get rid of him!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
To the people saying 'why didn't why go for Lambert and/or Rodgers' - it's entirely possible we enquired and were rebuffed, possibly by the men themselves. With hindsight it looks pretty likely that McLeish has been out since the Bolton game, and we've had all that time to consider his replacement. We may well have finalised a list of candidates by the time we sacked Eck, and set about the task very quickly, getting quick responses. We do like to conduct our business pretty secretively - I mean, this OGS thing has come from nowhere - so there's no reason why we couldn't have done it without anyone hearing about it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 17, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Id be hoping ogs can see gabby isnt good enough and brings in better players - most of the current lot are just not good enough and a big overhaul would be welcome.
You're right and wholesale changes to the squad are a massive issue for any new manager that comes in.

If I was Randy and couldnt afford to push for CL by competing financially, then my approach would be to invest in young talent at reasonable prices with a young manager who has a good footballing ethos. We may have to settle for mid-table for a few seasons, but at the very least it would be exciting and entertaining.

If ever a manager was well-equipped to get the best out of strikers, OGS is him. I'd be inclined to let him have a season with Gabby before deciding to get rid of him!

If ever a manager was well-equpped to get the best out of defenders, Alex McLeish is him... Oh...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
All of Norway is beautiful like that. It's extremely boring though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
To the people saying 'why didn't why go for Lambert and/or Rodgers' - it's entirely possible we enquired and were rebuffed, possibly by the men themselves.

I think that's entirely possible, maybe even probable. There's no way however that either of them would ever consider turning down the Villa job if there was money to spend. Hence my theory that the Solskjaer appointment could be one done on the cheap.

If it is the case, there are plenty of proven managers from abroad who should be way above Solskjaer in the pecking order.

Solskjaer for the future? Quite possibly. Solskjaer now? Not for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 08:04:20 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 17, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Id be hoping ogs can see gabby isnt good enough and brings in better players - most of the current lot are just not good enough and a big overhaul would be welcome.
You're right and wholesale changes to the squad are a massive issue for any new manager that comes in.

If I was Randy and couldnt afford to push for CL by competing financially, then my approach would be to invest in young talent at reasonable prices with a young manager who has a good footballing ethos. We may have to settle for mid-table for a few seasons, but at the very least it would be exciting and entertaining.

If ever a manager was well-equipped to get the best out of strikers, OGS is him. I'd be inclined to let him have a season with Gabby before deciding to get rid of him!

If ever a manager was well-equpped to get the best out of defenders, Alex McLeish is him... Oh...

Yes, I was going to add something along those lines myself. I decided that McLeish is just an awful manager who wasn't able to impart his experience effectively. Anywhere.

I'm giving OGS the benefit of the doubt at this stage, on account of him having already been successful where he's been.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 08:05:03 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 07:49:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Whelan is such a grade a twat. I really hope Racist FC don't offer the job to Martinez. And that the only other club who come knocking on his door and offer a contract for his precious manager are Blackburn.


i like him, and Stan Collymore     ;D

But you also like me, which balances it out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
All of Norway is beautiful like that. It's extremely boring though.
And expensive
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
To the people saying 'why didn't why go for Lambert and/or Rodgers' - it's entirely possible we enquired and were rebuffed, possibly by the men themselves. With hindsight it looks pretty likely that McLeish has been out since the Bolton game, and we've had all that time to consider his replacement. We may well have finalised a list of candidates by the time we sacked Eck, and set about the task very quickly, getting quick responses. We do like to conduct our business pretty secretively - I mean, this OGS thing has come from nowhere - so there's no reason why we couldn't have done it without anyone hearing about it.

You're right. Bent was a surprise and McLeish was right out of the blue. It is very possible that this one has caught everyone by surprise. It will be a kick in the balls of the media that had completely written us off. You don't go and appoint a rising managerial candidate like Solskjaer would be without the willingness to start competing again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
Would OGS also be on a relatively small salary in Norway, therefore meaning a smaller compensation package.  With all the money spent recently in compensation for and settlement payments to managers, that may have been a consideration to Randy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
OGS is going to be gutted if and when he leaves Molde, it looks a stunning place to live.

My choice would still be Lambert personally but Solskjaer is a nice idea.

Agreed, lambert has a better track record over the last 4 years and more experience but if it is ogs then he will have my full support and best wishes.

Im just hoping he will be tough enough to boot out the deadwood and problem players , and not be a soft touch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
OGS is going to be gutted if and when he leaves Molde, it looks a stunning place to live.

My choice would still be Lambert personally but Solskjaer is a nice idea.

Agreed, lambert has a better track record over the last 4 years and more experience but if it is ogs then he will have my full support and best wishes.

Im just hoping he will be tough enough to boot out the deadwood and problem players , and not be a soft touch.

you don't make it to that level of the game and then become a manager with some success without having a mean and determined streak about you. Don't let the whole Baby Faced Assassin fool you. He has had to be a shrewd operator to have got to where he has.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
you have to say that if the board do go for him that will be Houllier, Mcleish, Ole Gunnar every one of them not the obvious choice.
you would have trouble reading Randy's mind,

bet he's brilliant at Poker
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
After watching the vid, I think there is a good chance he might say no. He's signed a 4 yr deal, clearly loves the place and probably wants his kids to grow up there.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
After watching the vid, I think there is a good chance he might say no. He's signed a 4 yr deal, clearly loves the place and probably wants his kids to grow up there.



We wouldn't send a jet over to pick him up if he was going to say no.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
OGS is going to be gutted if and when he leaves Molde, it looks a stunning place to live.

My choice would still be Lambert personally but Solskjaer is a nice idea.

Agreed, lambert has a better track record over the last 4 years and more experience but if it is ogs then he will have my full support and best wishes.

Im just hoping he will be tough enough to boot out the deadwood and problem players , and not be a soft touch.

I think that's where this Director of Football role comes in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 17, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Wigan give permission for Loverpool to speak to Martinez. SSN Breaking News ....

I must say, I'm surprised. I thought Liverpool still considered themselves one of the giants of British football despite evidence to the contrary. All Martinez has on his CV is that he's successfully avoided relegation several years running with unfashionable Wigan.  Appointing Martinez would be a huge gamble. I hope they take it and live to regret it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
Quote from: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
After watching the vid, I think there is a good chance he might say no. He's signed a 4 yr deal, clearly loves the place and probably wants his kids to grow up there.



The four year deal was signed in 2009 though!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frank black on May 17, 2012, 08:14:04 PM
Pics of a wet plane av news. Apparently it's lerners in Norway, picking up OGS. Expect an announcement in 48 hrs etc etc.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 08:02:23 PM
All of Norway is beautiful like that. It's extremely boring though.
And expensive

Very expensive. A pint of Heiniken cost me something like £6 in our money when i went over. It's a stunning place though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
After watching the vid, I think there is a good chance he might say no. He's signed a 4 yr deal, clearly loves the place and probably wants his kids to grow up there.



I think hed jump at the chance to manage villa and his kids love england and according to him call manchester home. Throw in a villa supporting wife and a fat contract and he will snatch randys hand off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
OGS is going to be gutted if and when he leaves Molde, it looks a stunning place to live.

My choice would still be Lambert personally but Solskjaer is a nice idea.

Agreed, lambert has a better track record over the last 4 years and more experience but if it is ogs then he will have my full support and best wishes.

Im just hoping he will be tough enough to boot out the deadwood and problem players , and not be a soft touch.

I think that's where this Director of Football role comes in.

According to the Evening Mail, they've said they won't be using the DOF model.

As an alternative, if he does some I'd like to see him with a proven and experienced number 2 like Ray Wilkins.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 08:18:55 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

Hope they're wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 17, 2012, 08:19:10 PM
If 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' sign Martinez they will have the Thin Spanish Waiter.   Besides managers whose name ends in Z is always unlucky for them.   They should stick out for Vilas-Boaz.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

Mourinho it is then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 17, 2012, 07:52:00 PM
I would rather have Lambert or Rodgers who have proven themselves in the Premier League. Both would also be a show of intent as we would have to get them off a club that was pretty unwilling to let them go. Like we did with Atkinson and Little who both turned out to be good appointments.

If the Board think they can't get the above, then I appreciate their willingness to look abroad. It's about time we ditched the "Premier League experience" nonsense, rather than settling for any idiot who can find Birmingham on a map, like we did last year.

That said, there are far better managers abroad we could approach. While the likes of Villas-Boas are probably unlikely, McLeish was the twentieth best-paid manager in the World last year. I fail to see how we can't get a bigger-name who would help fill Villa Park again. Such a manager would hopefully have an extensive list of contacts to help us try to get some of the most promising players in Europe. I certainly prefer that option to a guy who may be tempted to phone some grumpy git in Manchester and say "Dad, sorry... Sir Alex, can we loan Jonny Evans please?".

If Martinez goes to Liverpool or Lambert or Rodgers go to Villa then I think Solsjkaer would make an ideal appointment at the likes of Wigan, Norwich or Swansea. If he proved himself at a club like that I'd have no problem with us appointing him in the future. I don't think he's ready for it now though.

The news that we are (probably) in for him, coupled with the news that we are not appointing a Director of Football says to me we are looking to do things on the cheap. Even if Solsjkaer turns out to be a managerial genius, he'll struggle to achieve anything at Villa if that's the case.

Sorry to be a misery-arse when many of you seem excited at the prospect, but I've had a season of trying to be cheerful in the face of adversity so now it's my turn!
There are loads of proven managers that we could appoint who would probably turn out to be the wrong choice for us. You and I don't know if he is good, bad or indifferent, and that's half the point. 3 examples of young managers that did very well early into their career would be AVB, Mourinho and Guardiola, and I don't think fans of Porto or Barca would regret the decision to appoint an unproven manager (note, this is just an example, i'm not suggesting he'll turn out like that).

You're perfectly entitled to have doubts about him, but to already label the potential appointment as ridiculous is, well, ridiculous in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villadelph on May 17, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

All going back to what A|C said a few posts ago, our stock has dropped massively.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
Norwegians love Britain, it seems so exotic to them. My wife's cousin is a Spurs fan, he stays with us a couple of times a season when he comes to watch games. He's a great bloke, but his idea of fun is wandering round Wood Green and Hackney before the match, soaking up the Britishness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: charlie on May 17, 2012, 08:20:37 PM
OGS... yes please, if he is appointed we should get right behind him and delight in the fact that he plays attacking footie, isnt Mctit, , is a winner....     
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
After watching the vid, I think there is a good chance he might say no. He's signed a 4 yr deal, clearly loves the place and probably wants his kids to grow up there.



I like it over here, it's quiet and scenic, and great for kids.  If I was offered two million quid a year to relocate to Brum though, I'd have my belongings packed up and the kids told to say goodbye to their mates before you could say "Bostin'!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

If true it would be depressing to think we cant attract managers from much smaller clubs, although the guardian are often wrong so lets wait and see.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: TonyD on May 17, 2012, 08:22:42 PM
OGS or Lambert or Rodgers would be great.  Please no to the old guard like Bruce, Curbs, Moyes etc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
the fact that he has a Villa supporting Wife actually helps me in my pathological and totally irrational dislike of all things Manu
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 08:23:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

are the Guardian still linking us to McCarthy or Curbushley? They seemed to rubbished all decent links to us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
the fact that he has a Villa supporting Wife actually helps me in my pathological and totally irrational dislike of all things Manu
Mrs. Solskjaer give us a wave.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
Norwegians love Britain, it seems so exotic to them. My wife's cousin is a Spurs fan, he stays with us a couple of times a season when he comes to watch games. He's a great bloke, but his idea of fun is wandering round Wood Green and Hackney before the match, soaking up the Britishness.

I have a Norwegian friend who thinks Southampton is awesome and sophisticated. She comes from Oslo, I just don't fucking get it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 17, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Wigan give permission for Loverpool to speak to Martinez. SSN Breaking News ....

I must say, I'm surprised. I thought Liverpool still considered themselves one of the giants of British football despite evidence to the contrary. All Martinez has on his CV is that he's successfully avoided relegation several years running with unfashionable Wigan.  Appointing Martinez would be a huge gamble. I hope they take it and live to regret it.
Martinez is a yes man, which is what FSG want
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
Norwegians take quiet and clean and beautiful places for granted. Fjords bore them to fucking tears. They like places that are a bit rough and dirty, and people who are a bit sarcastic and argumentative.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 17, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Wigan give permission for Loverpool to speak to Martinez. SSN Breaking News ....

I must say, I'm surprised. I thought Liverpool still considered themselves one of the giants of British football despite evidence to the contrary. All Martinez has on his CV is that he's successfully avoided relegation several years running with unfashionable Wigan.  Appointing Martinez would be a huge gamble. I hope they take it and live to regret it.
Martinez is a yes man, which is what FSG want
I don't understand the logic in this i'm afraid. Why would that be the overriding requirement for FSG?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
the fact that he has a Villa supporting Wife actually helps me in my pathological and totally irrational dislike of all things Manu
Mrs. Solskjaer give us a wave.....

Her name is Silje, a very pretty blonde!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
Norwegians take quiet and clean and beautiful places for granted. Fjords bore them to fucking tears. They like places that are a bit rough and dirty, and people who are a bit sarcastic and argumentative.


what about people who are fickle and moan like fuck ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 08:28:45 PM
Solshar is even harder to spell than Mucleesh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Guardian reckon he will say no. But then we have not even approached Lambert and they reckon he has said no, and Martinez turned us down after we offered him the job last year too....

Not really, they reckon he has reason to say no, which is different. I think he'll be in the dugout at the start of next season, but who knows.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Vanilla on May 17, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 08:27:29 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 17, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Wigan give permission for Loverpool to speak to Martinez. SSN Breaking News ....

I must say, I'm surprised. I thought Liverpool still considered themselves one of the giants of British football despite evidence to the contrary. All Martinez has on his CV is that he's successfully avoided relegation several years running with unfashionable Wigan.  Appointing Martinez would be a huge gamble. I hope they take it and live to regret it.
Martinez is a yes man, which is what FSG want
I don't understand the logic in this i'm afraid. Why would that be the overriding requirement for FSG?

I thought Liverpool would scour Europe for this replacement after the Hodgson debacle. It seems the US 'pool owners have as many networks in European football as our renowned US owner does.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Worrying
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:34:20 PM
Liverpool have said they are approaching several candidates so no guarantee martinez will get the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Worrying

Gabby was asked a question and was complimentary about a coach at the club.  He was hardly going to say "Nah, he's not the man for the job" was he?

Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Worrying

Well he was probably asked, what was he going to say? "Nah, Kevin would be totally out of his depth, it were shite when he was in charge".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Worrying

Hopefully after that 6-0 they wouldnt take him seriously an an option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2012, 08:00:52 PM
To the people saying 'why didn't why go for Lambert and/or Rodgers' - it's entirely possible we enquired and were rebuffed, possibly by the men themselves. With hindsight it looks pretty likely that McLeish has been out since the Bolton game, and we've had all that time to consider his replacement. We may well have finalised a list of candidates by the time we sacked Eck, and set about the task very quickly, getting quick responses. We do like to conduct our business pretty secretively - I mean, this OGS thing has come from nowhere - so there's no reason why we couldn't have done it without anyone hearing about it.
It just might be that OGS is our first choice.
Ticks all the boxes:
Left field appointment,
Young,
Vibrant,
Exciting appointment (well I'm excited)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 08:38:05 PM
The Guardian basically think we're Hull or something. Fuck em.
I suppose Randy sent a plane over on the off chance OGS wants to go for a pint or something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:39:37 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Newly promoted Newcastle 6 Aston Villa 0 should be the overiding factor if McDonald is seriously under consideration.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 08:40:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 08:32:20 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Worrying

Hopefully after that 6-0 they wouldnt take him seriously an an option.

We won games either side of that defeat and drew over in Vienna. He's got the reserves playing decent football but i think he prefers staying in the background.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:40:58 PM
has it been established as absolutey certain that Randy's plane left Birmingham and landed in Norway ?

( i know he might not have been on it, just trying to get my facts straight )
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 08:42:43 PM
OGS is a gamble, as is the idea of gambling on him being the next manager... It would be, in political speak, a "brave" decision to appoint him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 17, 2012, 08:43:17 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
They like places that are a bit rough and dirty, and people who are a bit sarcastic and argumentative.

You'd think we'd have loads of Norwegians on the forum!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:40:58 PM
has it been established as absolutey certain that Randy's plane left Birmingham and landed in Norway ?

( i know he might not have been on it, just trying to get my facts straight )

Apparently he was just taking his car out to Ikea and there was a huge misinterpretation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 17, 2012, 08:39:37 PM
From the Guardian

Quote
"I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."

Newly promoted Newcastle 6 Aston Villa 0 should be the overiding factor if McDonald is seriously under consideration.



A bit harsh that:

ManUre 1 - 6 Man City
ManUre 8 - 2 Arsenal
Chelsea 7 - 1 Aston Villa

All managers have the odd bad one!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
I'm going to put a jumper on!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 08:40:58 PM
has it been established as absolutey certain that Randy's plane left Birmingham and landed in Norway ?

( i know he might not have been on it, just trying to get my facts straight )

Apparently he was just taking his car out to Ikea and there was a huge misinterpretation.


you cant beat there 99p breakfast or the meat balls
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
I think id take mick mccarthy ahead of kevin mcdonald- definately no to both!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 08:46:52 PM
Anyone know how OGS sets his team up ? Assume not with 7 defenders ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 



yep. shows that a little star dust overrides his record and experience in a lot of people's minds. If his name was Henry From, Brian flies or another one of those comedy manager names from Norway, people would be saying WTF is he? But the baby faced assasin must be good...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me.

Agree.  If he didn't have the playing background he has, there would be no way he would be being mentioned. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
I think id take mick mccarthy ahead of kevin mcdonald- definately no to both!

I'd take Kmac over McCarthy. Mad Mick signed some shocking players and making Roger Johnson captain was'nt a clever move either. I reckon he'll end up at Blackburn if Steve Kean goes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 08:49:48 PM
'Solskjaer Appointment Leaves Brian Flies Undone'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: brian green on May 17, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
Your mother-in-law doesn't like me and I am rough and dirty, sarcastic and argumentative.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 08:51:14 PM
Not sure about OGS.

Reminds me of this:

 (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/ogc460x276.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 17, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
Your mother-in-law doesn't like me and I am rough and dirty, sarcastic and argumentative.

My mother doesn't like me and I'm all those things.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 08:53:20 PM
Yes but she is a fucking miserable cow. And I hope she's not logged in

EDIT: not your mother, David, obviously.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 08:56:03 PM
It looks like a man jerking off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
Quote from: bob on May 17, 2012, 08:56:03 PM
It looks like a man jerking off.

I didn't see that at all, now thats all I can see. LOL
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 17, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 



yep. shows that a little star dust overrides his record and experience in a lot of people's minds. If his name was Henry From, Brian flies or another one of those comedy manager names from Norway, people would be saying WTF is he? But the baby faced assasin must be good...

To be fair, OGS has always come across as highly intelligent, which is more than can be said for our last manager. I think that Scandinavians who come to ply their trade in England can be assumed to have some nous and initiative. They also speak multiple languages. Basically, they're cleverer, and people tend to respect cerebral types in management. Many of the Scots that play/manage in England have an ultra-simplistic, unsophisticated up-and-at-em attitude. McLeish is a case in point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
I wonder if Steve Kean will be the third Scottish manager sacked this month?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 



yep. shows that a little star dust overrides his record and experience in a lot of people's minds. If his name was Henry From, Brian flies or another one of those comedy manager names from Norway, people would be saying WTF is he? But the baby faced assasin must be good...

I'm genuinely astonished that people think this is a good move for Villa.  This is the type of appointment maybe Wolves should have made now that they've been relegated.  This is Bryan Robson going to Boro or Roy Keane going to Sunderland - a mediocre club going for a "big" totally unproven name.

Has Derren Brown been around here and hypnotized everyone ?  This screams "small time".  This screams  "reckless gamble" and it screams another bumpy season next year.  Oh, and six more points to man utd too.  Randy must be absolutely broke if this is the best that he can come up with to follow Fergie's letter and McLeish. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: inside right on May 17, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
Bring Laursen with ya as Number 2
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 



yep. shows that a little star dust overrides his record and experience in a lot of people's minds. If his name was Henry From, Brian flies or another one of those comedy manager names from Norway, people would be saying WTF is he? But the baby faced assasin must be good...

I'm genuinely astonished that people think this is a good move for Villa.  This is the type of appointment maybe Wolves should have made now that they've been relegated.  This is Bryan Robson going to Boro or Roy Keane going to Sunderland - a mediocre club going for a "big" totally unproven name.

Has Derren Brown been around here and hypnotized everyone ?  This screams "small time".  This screams  "reckless gamble" and it screams another bumpy season next year.  Oh, and six more points to man utd too.  Randy must be absolutely broke if this is the best that he can come up with to follow Fergie's letter and McLeish. 

Who would be your choice Billy?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frank black on May 17, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
It's an appointment that will have people hoping rather than expecting him to do well.

Gamble, brave, exciting, left field, puzzling and possibly CHEAP.

Fingers crossed if it happens.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:08:04 PM
All the posters claiming OGS will be bad don't seem to be stating who they would like and why? Please enlighten me chaps......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 17, 2012, 09:08:54 PM
Randy Lerners plane is confirmed as having landed at Kristiansund airport todya by the airport manager.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/05/17/sport/fotball/premier_league/ole_gunnar_solskjer/21645445/ (http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/05/17/sport/fotball/premier_league/ole_gunnar_solskjer/21645445/)

From Norwegian paper Dagbladet

"Dagbladet): Et privatfly registrert på Aston Villa landet i dag på Kristiansund Lufthavn.

Det bekrefter lufthavnsjef Ole Kristian Pettersen til Dagbladet i kveld.

- Det er ikke hemmelig, så det kan jeg bekrefte, sier Pettersen.

Ole Gunnar Solskjær er bosatt i Kristiansund sammen med sin kone Silje og deres tre barn.

Flyet, en Dassault Falcon 7X, har halenummer N85DN og er registrert på det Cleveland-baserte selskapet Exile Transportation Co.

Det var tidligere registrert som N85CL. Randy Lerners amerikanske fotballklubb Cleveland Browns sto da oppført som eier, ifølge nettstedet jetphotos.net.

Randy Lerner er også eieren til Aston Villa.

Lokalavisa i Kristiansund, Tidens Krav, skriver at Aston Villa kommer til å fly Solskjær til Birmingham for å innlede samtaler om den ledige managerjobben i morgen tidlig. "

Translation

"A private plane registered to Aston Villa landed today at Kristiansund Airport.

This was confirmed by airport manager Ole Kristian Pettersen this evening.

- It's not a secret so I can confirm said Pettersen.

Ole Gunnar Solskjær lives in Kristiansund with his wife Silje and their three children.

The plane, a Dassault Falcon 7X has tail number  N85DN and is registered to the Cleveland based company Exile Transportation Co.

Itr was previously registered as N85CL.  Randy Lerners American Football team Cleveland Browns was the registered owner at that time according to website jetphotos.net

Randy Lerner is also the owner of Aston Villa.

Local Paper  "Tidens Krav" write that Aston Villa will fly Solskjær to Birmingham to start talks about the vacant managers job early tomorrow."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
I've got a horrible feeling he's going to turn us down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
JG had no experience managing a Premiership club......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Nirog72 on May 17, 2012, 09:09:48 PM
Maybe Randy is in a real life version of Brewsters Millions and the only way he can think of to lose money is to make bad decisions about the club, he's even sent his plane to Norway when he could have just rung the guy up... it's also the only way you could possibly explain McLeish.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised with the OGS link. I think the problem (other than the obvious one) with the last 12 months is that the disaster of a manager we have had has made lots of people hyper sensitive to who is appointed next. I don't know whether OGS would do a good job or not, or whether he would come here, but I do know he isn't Mick McCarthy or any other of the dull uninspiring crap that appears to be available at present. We aren't shopping in the AVB supermarket and who knows, OGS may be just as good.

And yes, that logo does look like a fella shuffling.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 08:49:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me.

Agree.  If he didn't have the playing background he has, there would be no way he would be being mentioned. 

Same here. Being a fergie-fledgling seems to carry a hell of a lot of weight with our chairman.

I hope he does the biz, but I have my doubts. Brian McLair did all the the things with Man Yoo's youth team that OGS did, received all the same plaudits, and was touted as the next big thing from Fergusons school of management. I think he progressed to Blackburn as a coach, failed miserably and ended up back at United with his tail between his legs.

Solskjaers record is no more impressive after 12 months than Paul Inces was.

Lets hope we haven't been taken in by Sir alexs bullshit in the same way Liverpool have been taken in by Dave Whelans second hand car salesman patter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
He wouldn't fly over to talk if he wasn't interested.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:10:32 PM
Yeah maybe. Fortunes of war.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
i agree he comes over as intelligent and he obviously likes to play football, though how useful that is with our players i'm not sure. But mainly I just wish he was doing it at a level a bit higher and not where passing herds of reindeer can double the attendances at some grounds and without the major spending behind him. I know we're guilty of thinking we're bigger then we are, but in terms of the leap he'd be making its cornershop to Harrods frankly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
JG had no experience managing a Premiership club......

True, but he was a former player and had been an assistant manager at the club so knew the place pretty well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.

Absolutely, I'd be very happy if it happens. I just fear he might turn us down, although conversely it'd be odd for Randy to fly his jet out there if Solskjaer hadn't shown some interest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
i agree he comes over as intelligent and he obviously likes to play football, though how useful that is with our players i'm not sure. But mainly I just wish he was doing it at a level a bit higher and not where passing herds of reindeer can double the attendances at some grounds and without the major spending behind him. I know we're guilty of thinking we're bigger then we are, but in terms of the leap he'd be making its cornershop to Harrods frankly.

A bit like say Wycombe to Villa?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 17, 2012, 09:12:42 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
JG had no experience managing a Premiership club......
My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 17, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Well said Dave.The board are taking a gamble that might just pay off.Good on them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 09:12:48 PM
If he does get appointed, I can't wait to hear the reaction from the crowd when we string a few passes together...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Another thing - we've never signed a Scandinavian who's let us down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
I think OGS is exactly the kind of guy to do the two things I want from our next manager.

- try to win games
- build the team around Stephen Ireland
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Another thing - we've never signed a Scandinavian who's let us down.

Eirik Bakke was a bit of a let down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
A year left on his contract, difficult second album to record after getting to the top of the charts - perfect time to leave, I'd say.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
I'm a bit worried that this another appointment made after asking 'Hi Sir Alex, who do you think I should appoint this time your majesty?' He cant be any worse than the last twat he endorsed I suppose.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
With the work ethic instilled by Fergie Ireland will be packing his bags already... as will a few of the other overpaid clowns we have.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
i agree he comes over as intelligent and he obviously likes to play football, though how useful that is with our players i'm not sure. But mainly I just wish he was doing it at a level a bit higher and not where passing herds of reindeer can double the attendances at some grounds and without the major spending behind him. I know we're guilty of thinking we're bigger then we are, but in terms of the leap he'd be making its cornershop to Harrods frankly.

A bit like say Wycombe to Villa?

depends if you think JG was a success
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
he must have been given positive vibes at least to go over there,
 i dont just think Randy will roll up univited and knock on his door and say 'hi Ole, have you got a minute while i run something past you'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2012, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
I'm a bit worried that this another appointment made after asking 'Hi Sir Alex, who do you think I should appoint this time your majesty?' He cant be any worse than the last twat he endorsed I suppose.

The difference with OGS is that, of all the Fergie 'protoges', he's the only one who actually is. I didn't see Ferguson getting McLeish, Ince, Bruce or anyone else to be his coach back in the day, but he insisted on OGS going back to coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
Ireland showed more work rate and willingness to track back than most last season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.

Very well put, and sums up exactly how I'm looking at this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:18:18 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
i agree he comes over as intelligent and he obviously likes to play football, though how useful that is with our players i'm not sure. But mainly I just wish he was doing it at a level a bit higher and not where passing herds of reindeer can double the attendances at some grounds and without the major spending behind him. I know we're guilty of thinking we're bigger then we are, but in terms of the leap he'd be making its cornershop to Harrods frankly.

A bit like say Wycombe to Villa?

depends if you think JG was a success

What he did in when he first got here was nothing short of a miracle. Didn't we finish 6th next season and get a cup final place?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
he must have been given positive vibes at least to go over there,
 i dont just think Randy will roll up univited and knock on his door and say 'hi Ole, have you got a minute while i run something past you'

Agreed, I've be very surprised to see a man fly to another country for a job he's not interested in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 17, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Well said Dave.The board are taking a gamble that might just pay off.Good on them.

Sorry, but that isn't good enough.  The state we are in at the minute means that another managerial failure will probably see us relegated and looking for yet another new manager this time next year.  We have to get this one right.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Also, just watching that Gunning for Glory doc.. That stadium is fantastic. The location is beautiful. Nice little club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
He wouldn't fly over to talk if he wasn't interested.

Why not? It's a go on a private jet, free booze and a free lunch I expect. Be crazy to turn it down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 17, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
To be fair, OGS has always come across as highly intelligent, which is more than can be said for our last manager. I think that Scandinavians who come to ply their trade in England can be assumed to have some nous and initiative. They also speak multiple languages. Basically, they're cleverer, and people tend to respect cerebral types in management. Many of the Scots that play/manage in England have an ultra-simplistic, unsophisticated up-and-at-em attitude. McLeish is a case in point.

Lets go for Stephen Hawking. Very clever, definite cerebral type, not Scottish but same age as Fergie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Are people suggesting John Gregory was a success now? I thought spunking loads of money on players with no sell-on value, finishing 6th and losing in cup finals was viewed as a capital offence these days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: midnite on May 17, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:39:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
Super Duper Platinum Muppets is where it's at these days.

that's right! We're sifting through all of the rumours right now. We'll let everyone know once we've truly dismissed the Mick McCarthy stories.

*Nods knowingly to TV and gives secret handshake* 

It's like the depths of the Vatican vaults
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
I hope he lies in bed tonight in his Mr Men pyjamas and asks Silje what *she* thinks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 09:20:30 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 09:18:57 PM
Nice little club.

Scummy club.

Uwe Rosler's record as manager... Played 8 won 6 drew 2 lost 0.

Got rid of him because he's never played for Man U.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
It's a very very brave appointment if it is going to be him and you kind of applaud them for having the balls to do it, but bearing in mind the season we've just had and how long and where he's been managing, it's just too big a gamble for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:22:08 PM
 a bit off the subject, but don't half of the norwegian league play on artificial pitches? that will change his style for sure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Reminds me  bit of the late 1970's. I was in the Lake District and phoned home to see how things were. My Dad told me we had just signed Jimmy Rimmer from Arsenal and i must confess that it didn't really inspire me. The rest as they say is history. A Villa legend. You just never know.......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 17, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
I'm feeling rather negative so please excuse the following a little.

It feels like our stock has fallen massively, so now can't get a manager from either Norwich, Swansea or for crying out loud Wigan.  OGS might be brilliant but equally we could be heading for a hat trick of disasters, if we do appoint OGS a 1 year deal would be prudent with an option to extend if successful.

I feel totally under underwhelmed.



This.  Substitute the word "Norway" for "Scotland" and we have the measure of the man as a manager right now.  He has proven very little thus far to suggest he should be managing a Championship team let alone a Premier League team.  This feels like a wind up, and I would be thinking it is a wind up, if it wasn't for the fact that he is now favourite for the job! Dear fcuking me. 



yep. shows that a little star dust overrides his record and experience in a lot of people's minds. If his name was Henry From, Brian flies or another one of those comedy manager names from Norway, people would be saying WTF is he? But the baby faced assasin must be good...

I'm genuinely astonished that people think this is a good move for Villa.  This is the type of appointment maybe Wolves should have made now that they've been relegated.  This is Bryan Robson going to Boro or Roy Keane going to Sunderland - a mediocre club going for a "big" totally unproven name.

Has Derren Brown been around here and hypnotized everyone ?  This screams "small time".  This screams  "reckless gamble" and it screams another bumpy season next year.  Oh, and six more points to man utd too.  Randy must be absolutely broke if this is the best that he can come up with to follow Fergie's letter and McLeish. 

Who would be your choice Billy?

Well Bob, if the likes of Lambert (my preferred choice) isn't interested (which is a worryingly sad state of affairs) and money is an issue, I would like to see Randy have a scout around the more experienced (but just as cheap) names in European football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 17, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
A year left on his contract, difficult second album to record after getting to the top of the charts - perfect time to leave, I'd say.

Not exactly going tits up for him.  They're second, one point behind the leaders on 18 points after 9 games and are unbeaten at home in 12 months.  Only blip looks like they lost the first three away games but won last time out 0-5.*

* all based on 5 minutes research of Norwegian newspapers wouldn't claim to know much about Norwegian football, can barely be bothered to follow the Danish league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
It's a very very brave appointment if it is going to be him and you kind of applaud them for having the balls to do it, but bearing in mind the season we've just had and how long and where he's been managing, it's just too big a gamble for me.


Thats my view but put better
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: MarkM on May 17, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
I quite like the idea of OGS, he might just be what we need at the moment.

And, he knows what it's like to win things. Maybe he could instil that sense of wanting victory back into the club
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
The last time I'd had this feeling was when I heard MON was in talks with us. I was only about 12 so I didn't have the foggiest idea who he was, but my dad was jumping around the living room so I knew he was a good 'un.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: midnite on May 17, 2012, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.

I completely agree with this. I'm quite excited by the thought personally.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
I think he may need an older head alongside him as a coach and also someone that has some link to the club... or is that an old-fashioned view?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 17, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
It's a very very brave appointment if it is going to be him and you kind of applaud them for having the balls to do it, but bearing in mind the season we've just had and how long and where he's been managing, it's just too big a gamble for me.

That's a good summation of how I feel about it but, if true, at least it will be interesting to find out about him. I had a feeling of dread before the start of the previous season so maybe that's still clouding my feelings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frank black on May 17, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
The last time I'd had this feeling was when I heard MON was in talks with us. I was only about 12 so I didn't have the foggiest idea who he was, but my dad was jumping around the living room so I knew he was a good 'un.

Difference now is you know who he is, but have no idea if he can manage in the premier league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
JG had no experience managing a Premiership club......

True, but he was a former player and had been an assistant manager at the club so knew the place pretty well.

He also won nothing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
I think he may need an older head alongside him as a coach and also someone that has some link to the club... or is that an old-fashioned view?

Kevin MacDonald? Perhaps with Ian Taylor/Southgate/Laursen?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
I think he may need an older head alongside him as a coach and also someone that has some link to the club... or is that an old-fashioned view?


Brian Kid,  it must be our turn soon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
I think he may need an older head alongside him as a coach and also someone that has some link to the club... or is that an old-fashioned view?


Brian Kid,  it must be our turn soon

Maybe he can hop around celebrating in our dug-out...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 09:32:44 PM
The more you look at it, the more logical it gets
I'd prefer him to some of the other dross knocking about
Fresh, vibrant & seems a smashing bloke
Seems like he plays football the right way too
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.
We are considering someone with one Norwegian title under his belt ?
Not saying it couldnt work, but how much homework has been done on this? I would hope that they have been looking in detail at his strengths and weaknesses possibly the day after the Bolton defeat and not just since Monday this week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 17, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:30:22 PM
I think he may need an older head alongside him as a coach and also someone that has some link to the club... or is that an old-fashioned view?

As someone said earlier, Martin Laursen as No2. Dream Team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
Do you think he might be too intelligent for some of our players ? Both in football terms and general nous.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Walshmeister on May 17, 2012, 09:38:45 PM
I'm ok wih OGS. Lots of contacts in the game across Europe and in England. SAF appointed him reserve team coach at Manure for 2 seasons to build his knowledge. He is apparently a very good coach. Put some support behind him and back him in the tnsfer market and we could be a surprise.

I'm in!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Legion on May 17, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
Perhaps we're too big a club for him at his current stage of development?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Well the fact he's won more than the entire squad put together and played in bigger games than the entire squad might help.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 17, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

That's the thing though, isn't it? If he goes on and proves it elsewhere, he won't be joining us afterwards. Might as well see if he can do it with us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: luke25 on May 17, 2012, 09:41:24 PM
Scandanavians suit us, that is all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 09:41:33 PM
The last two managers have been 'experienced', what does that mean exactly? I'd be happier with OGS, or Laursen as No.1, than I would be with McCarthy, Bruce or Curbishley!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the
attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.

Maybe so, but I was kind of hoping one the attributes of the next Aston Villa manager was a career record of winning lots and lots and lots of football matches.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Well the fact he's won more than the entire squad put together and played in bigger games than the entire squad might help.

fair point although I was thinking more of personality.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?
A huge amount of respect I would imagine.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Well the fact he's won more than the entire squad put together and played in bigger games than the entire squad might help.

He scored the winner in the Champions League Final. I think he will have the respect he needs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Walshmeister on May 17, 2012, 09:42:35 PM
We could of course gamble and appoint an unproven translator that never played the proffesional game........Who the fuck would ever do that FFS!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

The point being, with more proof, there would be bigger fish circling than Villa.  If the options are the likes of Curbishley etc, I'd back going down a route like this.  It can't be any worse than last season - I'm in, and I've got an unusually good feeling about it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Hopefully if there are any troublemakers he will go to Mr. Lerner and say " Is it ok to fuck these idiots off mr.Lerner"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the
attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.

Maybe so, but I was kind of hoping one the attributes of the next Aston Villa manager was a career record of winning lots and lots and lots of football matches.

Sadly that's not where we are at the moment. This could be a chance to get 'a next big thing' manager, which we wouldn't have a hope with if we don't take a gamble. It won't necessarily work, but it's worth a risk. He doesn't even have to do a great job to improve us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bilsim on May 17, 2012, 09:44:27 PM
Is it wrong that I would take OGS right now only because last year we were dismissing Ancelotti and ended up with McLeish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 17, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.
Agreed, but I'm surprised that so many are set against it.

It might be brilliant, it might not. But at least it'll be something a bit different. Right now, I'd take that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
His present number 2 at Molde is a guy called Mark Dempsey.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Yeah, lets wait until he's a success somewhere else and then stand no chance of getting him.  What Villa need is a steady eddy like Curbishley who's got experience in the league and knows english football.  Besides, what managers have ever been successful before they've had 10years as a manager.

Or maybe, just maybe, we're going for a guy who's considered one of the hottest managerial prospects in europe and people need to realise that experience isn't the be all and end of being able to do the job.  Experience ahead of ability is why Alan Hutton kept Eric Lichaj out of the team most of the season and Heskey got a lot more time on the pitch than Weimann.  Sometimes people are just a good choice, to me OGS is one of those that's worth the risk.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Hopefully if there are any troublemakers he will go to Mr. Lerner and say " Is it ok to fuck these idiots off mr.Lerner"
Quote from: Ger Regan on May 17, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?
A huge amount of respect I would imagine.

Indeed, he could always just show them his medals.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

Once we've seen proof, he'll be too expensive and/or looking for a 'bigger' job. Let's get in on the ground floor for once and take a bloody chance, what did trying to play safe get us last time?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the
attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.

Maybe so, but I was kind of hoping one the attributes of the next Aston Villa manager was a career record of winning lots and lots and lots of football matches.


Sadly those type of managers don't want to come to the Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 17, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

If someone has proven that they are the next Mourinho, why would they come to manage us. Our job is to get someone in before they're proven and become the genius with us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
Looks like there are 3 more games in Norway before a break for the Euros. If he left after those 3, Molde would have time to sort out a replacement.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OzVilla on May 17, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
I really don't know either, it's left field that's for sure.

It seems we've moved from the 'must have premier league management experience' to 'doesn't really need any managerial experience' - shows how confused our thinking has been.

I'm sure OGS is a very astute bloke but not knowing much about whether he's capable to manage in the Premier League is'nt something to be excited about imo - if that's the case we might as well give it to Martin Laursen.

He may be great, he may also be an absolute car crash - if the squad we have and the work that it requires, i'm not sure I want us to take that risk right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 09:49:43 PM
I suppose it depends on how badly he wants to manage his team in the Champions' League.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 09:49:48 PM

I know its only Norway but like Fergie said ‘If you go to a club in Norway that have never won the league in their history and you win that league, then you have to have something about you.’

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: Ross on May 17, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

The point being, with more proof, there would be bigger fish circling than Villa.  If the options are the likes of Curbishley etc, I'd back going down a route like this.  It can't be any worse than last season - I'm in, and I've got an unusually good feeling about it.

There are plenty of steps in between Molde and Aston Villa mate. I doubt he would be on Liverpools wish list. Are you saying we wouldn't be able to poach him from West Brom for example?
After all, we pay Top20 wages, I don't expect to be gambling so heavily on an unknown quantity.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: regular_john on May 17, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Or maybe, just maybe, we're going for a guy who's considered one of the hottest managerial prospects in europe and people need to realise that experience isn't the be all and end of being able to do the job. 

Is he? Who by?

Nobody on either here or VT spoke of Solksjaer being an up and coming manager until he was linked with our club, now all of a sudden he's one of the hottest managerial prospects in Europe? If that were the case I doubt an unglamorous, nearly relegated club from Birmingham would stand much chance of getting him!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?

Well the fact he's won more than the entire squad put together and played in bigger games than the entire squad might help.

He scored the winner in the Champions League Final. I think he will have the respect he needs.

Lets get Peter Withe then ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 09:22:30 PM


Well Bob, if the likes of Lambert (my preferred choice) isn't interested (which is a worryingly sad state of affairs) and money is an issue, I would like to see Randy have a scout around the more experienced (but just as cheap) names in European football.

The mythical "There must be somebody out there" so beloved of messageboards.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
He scored the winner in the Champions League Final. I think he will have the respect he needs.

Did he, blimey, they kept that quiet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2012, 09:51:19 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

If he had showed that sort of proof he'd be being chased by bigger fish than we are right now.  At some point I'm sure the fans of Mourinho's first club asked "What the fuck are we doing hiring an interpreter to be our manager?"

Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the
attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.

Maybe so, but I was kind of hoping one the attributes of the next Aston Villa manager was a career record of winning lots and lots and lots of football matches.

That's a CV, not a list of attributes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Could he deal with troublemakers?  How much respect would he have?


to be fair i reckon he'd do okay with the mardy arses with discipline. Its the actual running of the club as a whole  and the lack of back-up we seem to give our managers that worries me. When things blow-up Lerner's not there and faulkner is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. The amount of times in the last 2 years when we seemed to drift along with no direction other than the manager. a lot for someone his age and experience to cope with
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:44:48 PM
His present number 2 at Molde is a guy called Mark Dempsey.



came from Manure too
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 09:49:48 PM

I know its only Norway but like Fergie said ‘If you go to a club in Norway that have never won the league in their history and you win that league, then you have to have something about you.’





didnt Mclaren do the same in Holland, a much more difficult task i would say

not against OGS though, my hunch is he could be great for us
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
We could pay his current club their compensation in defunct Greek Euros.

It would be Molde Old Dough.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 17, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
He scored the winner in the Champions League Final. I think he will have the respect he needs.

Did he, blimey, they kept that quiet.

Clive Tlydsley mentions it every 20 minutes
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 09:55:21 PM
It looks like a man jerking off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
I'm cautiously in favour of OGS bcoming our manager although I have reservations about ManUre connection. Expect some red loans perhaps.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: john e on May 17, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 09:49:48 PM

I know its only Norway but like Fergie said ‘If you go to a club in Norway that have never won the league in their history and you win that league, then you have to have something about you.’





didnt Mclaren do the same in Holland, a much more difficult task i would say

not against OGS though, my hunch is he could be great for us

Can I just contradict myself, after checking on Wiki if it hadn't been for Rosenberg winning the League 13 times in a row they probably would have won it years ago, so it was going to happen sooner or later. I actually like the idea of OGS
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: Ross on May 17, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

The point being, with more proof, there would be bigger fish circling than Villa.  If the options are the likes of Curbishley etc, I'd back going down a route like this.  It can't be any worse than last season - I'm in, and I've got an unusually good feeling about it.

There are plenty of steps in between Molde and Aston Villa mate. I doubt he would be on Liverpools wish list. Are you saying we wouldn't be able to poach him from West Brom for example?
After all, we pay Top20 wages, I don't expect to be gambling so heavily on an unknown quantity.

Well Liverpool are a substantially bigger club than us with immediate demands.  I would hope that after the last two dire seasons under very experienced managers, everyone would buy into giving him a chance to build something.  And as for getting West Brom's manager, I don't fancy our chances of getting any of Wigan's, Swansea's or Norwich's manager as things stand.

All things said, Lambert would be my choice, if we can't get him, and the options are a Curbishley - then I'm happy for Randy to do something different.  It might help to break our boring perception as a club and reinvigorate the place.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 17, 2012, 09:56:10 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

When you compare their coaching careers, he's barely less experienced than Lambert or Rodgers really. And that's without considering his playing career.

Management is what it is, one minute you're the next big thing, the next mintue you're a nobody (Jewell, Dowie, Brown etc.) - there's no guarantee Lambert or Rodgers are anything special just like there isn't with OGS.

It's a risk but it doesn't seem it's ill-thought, he meets all the criteria they highlighted after sacking McLeish and he's got a reputation for positive football and unorthodox methods.

Even under MON we were boring and predictable. Atleast this will be exciting.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 17, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
I think we need a new poll, OGS yes or no?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
Although I never masturbate standing up. Apart from that one time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 09:53:41 PM
We could pay his current club their compensation in defunct Greek Euros.

It would be Molde Old Dough.

That made me chuckle
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:59:04 PM

Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 17, 2012, 09:36:56 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 17, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Wolves have been
criticised for appointing a guy who has won 5 Danish titles.

OGS's success in Norway is not why he's in line for the job, but rather a result of the
attributes he has, which is why we are interested in him.

Maybe so, but I was kind of hoping one the attributes of the next Aston Villa manager was a career record of winning lots and lots and lots of football matches.

That's a CV, not a list of attributes.
[/quote]


Ok smartypants. You know what I meant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mrastonvilla on May 17, 2012, 09:59:25 PM
Someone wrote "it's not where you've come from, it's where you're taking us" and I think this applies equally to OGS. Until you give someone the chance you just never know where it might go. It would certainly be exciting and you've got to admire Lerner as appointing him would take a massive amount of bottle.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
It is a gamble, but if it is OGS then let's get behind him from day 1.

I hope he has Fergie's work ethic and discipline and we know Ole is a born winner.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

For the first time in years I've just put it on, not because I think its the truth but just to hear what they were saying. Fuck me that station is shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Are people suggesting John Gregory was a success now? I thought spunking loads of money on players with no sell-on value, finishing 6th and losing in cup finals was viewed as a capital offence these days.

Compared to GT mark II, O'Leary, Houllier and McLeish he was a success. If you like, our second most successful manager in the past 14 years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
It is a gamble, but if it is OGS then let's get behind him from day 1.

I hope he has Fergie's work ethic and discipline and we know Ole is a born winner.

You could say he was a born substitute, happy to sit on the bench rather than strive to be number one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Ah bollocks that's the end of our hopes then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 17, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
Big gamble, but does feel like a breath of fresh air
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 10:02:36 PM
Top ten finishes, European football and a cup final... I'd snap someone's hand off if they offered that now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: Kingthing on May 17, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

For the first time in years I've just put it on, not because I think its the truth but just to hear what they were saying. Fuck me that station is shit.

Agreed but I did enjoy them slagging off Downing earlier
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
If this does actually come to pass, it's a gamble.

You can make the link with Fergie and how that must influence his thinking.
But the Scottish Manager played under Fergie too - and that didn't make him braver or more attack minded when it came to the crunch.  Ultimately it depends on the personality of the individual, not who they've learned under. 

It could also put us into that bracket of go nowhere clubs for whom basking in the reflected glory of a big name ex United player is the only way we generate any headlines:  On appointment and for two games a season. For a club like Aston Villa, that isn't -and should never be- what we're about. It wasn't so long ago that we hated them.  And they disliked us. Aston Villa v Manchester United fixtures (from about the 50's on up to the noughties) used to have an edge to them, and were often the highlight nationally of the weekend set of fixtures whenever it was played.  I accept that they are light years ahead of us now, I wouldn't be deluded enough to call them rivals anymore. But do we really want to be patronised by their daytripping hordes?   Become their 'second' club, in true small club style -as we provide no threat whatsoever?

Against all that, after having the enthusiasm pumped out of the place on an industrial scale under the last chancer, the very least we should expect is a modern approach to playing matters.  Something most of us have been calling for for a while now.  It would seem even more of a risk if he's not coming in under a DoF, but it looks like he has a sizable team working with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on May 17, 2012, 09:59:25 PM
Someone wrote "it's not where you've come from, it's where you're taking us" and I think this applies equally to OGS. Until you give someone the chance you just never know where it might go. It would certainly be exciting and you've got to admire Lerner as appointing him would take a massive amount of bottle.


think is, that applies to a lesser or bigger extent to our last 2 managerial appointments. if he fucks up again on these gambles, then i don't think anyone will trust him again to get it right. His record so far is piss poor really.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: BedsVillain on May 17, 2012, 10:05:35 PM
I think he will be a great appointment. Seems to have a great attacking footballing philosophy, prefers 4-3-3 with an attacking slant and gets his teams to pass and move, which will be a novelty after this season. I think it will be very important, if he does come, that he is allowed to bring his coaching staff, Mark Dempsey & Richard Hartis, with him. Both were part of ManYoo's youth coaching set up and both are totally invested in OGS's vision. His appointment makes a lot of sense, I imagine Faulkner & Lerner witnessed his reserve team beat us in that reserve league final and admired the way he brought on the youngsters at United.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Arsey on May 17, 2012, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I'm amazed so many people are blindly excited by this.

He may about to progress into the next Jose Mourinho, but wouldn't you like to see some fucking proof first?

After a year of watching McLeish's anti-football I get excited about the thought of a dump! However, hearing his philosophies about football on that video ought to excite all Villa fans after the crap we've played all year.

It could go tits up, fair chance it will, at least next season might be fun.

Hope he brings back Jean to the first team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 17, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
I think Fergie feels so bad for recommending Big Eck last time, he's making amends and is letting have his successor on a work placement for a few years until he retires.

This is either genius or football suicide but I'm excited if it happens - time to wake up the giant. :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave P on May 17, 2012, 10:06:48 PM
Odds just keep tumbling on OGS while they are lengthening on the other serious contenders such as Lambert and Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Are people suggesting John Gregory was a success now? I thought spunking loads of money on players with no sell-on value, finishing 6th and losing in cup finals was viewed as a capital offence these days.


Compared to GT mark II, O'Leary, Houllier and McLeish he was a success. If you like, our second most successful manager in the past 14 years.


It was more a reference to how some slag off MONs record tbh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: FrankyH on May 17, 2012, 10:07:43 PM
This potential appointment makes me feel nervous and excited at the same time.

Maybe Scandanavian is the new Scottish in terms of great English managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: CJ on May 17, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
I admit I know nothing about OGS as a coach. Bit worried about him making the step up to the PL without a DoF to support him on the footballing side of the club off-field. How is he in terms of defence? If he brought Martin Laursen in to sort our woeful defending that would make a great coaching team.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Looks like ogs is flying to brum in the morning, cant see him turning the job down in all honesty and although i prefer lambert im sure we will all unite behind ogs and welcome him to our great club.

My worries are whether hes tough enough to deal with the problem players and not a soft touch and also whether he sees us a stepping stone to old trafford- but i guess if he does end up there he will have done a great job for us beforehand.

Whether lambert or others rejected the chance we dont know but at least ogs will bring a lot more to the party than eck!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on May 17, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Would be happy - but he must be given time AND money.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Reuben on May 17, 2012, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Looks like ogs is flying to brum in the morning, cant see him turning the job down in all honesty and although i prefer lambert im sure we will all unite behind ogs and welcome him to our great club.

My worries are whether hes tough enough to deal with the problem players and not a soft touch and also whether he sees us a stepping stone to old trafford- but i guess if he does end up there he will have done a great job for us beforehand.

Whether lambert or others rejected the chance we dont know but at least ogs will bring a lot more to the party than eck!

That's what I meant earlier about respect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?

I think he's the main target.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
Quote from: Fin Feds Dad on May 17, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Would be happy - but he must be given time AND money.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bob on May 17, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
If this does actually come to pass, it's a gamble.

You can make the link with Fergie and how that must influence his thinking.
But the Scottish Manager played under Fergie too - and that didn't make him braver or more attack minded when it came to the crunch.  Ultimately it depends on the personality of the individual, not who they've learned under. 

It could also put us into that bracket of go nowhere clubs for whom basking in the reflected glory of a big name ex United player is the only way we generate any headlines:  On appointment and for two games a season. For a club like Aston Villa, that isn't -and should never be- what we're about. It wasn't so long ago that we hated them.  And they disliked us. Aston Villa v Manchester United fixtures (from about the 50's on up to the noughties) used to have an edge to them, and were often the highlight nationally of the weekend set of fixtures whenever it was played.  I accept that they are light years ahead of us now, I wouldn't be deluded enough to call them rivals anymore. But do we really want to be patronised by their daytripping hordes?   Become their 'second' club, in true small club style -as we provide no threat whatsoever?

Against all that, after having the enthusiasm pumped out of the place on an industrial scale under the last chancer, the very least we should expect is a modern approach to playing matters.  Something most of us have been calling for for a while now.  It would seem even more of a risk if he's not coming in under a DoF, but it looks like he has a sizable team working with him.

You are a poster of the very highest order.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?

I think he's the main target.

Ole Gunar's claret and blue army!!!

I'm getting excited  about this potential appointment for some strange  and illogical reason!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 17, 2012, 10:13:57 PM
Ok. I hope it comes off. I never considered him for a second before today, now I'll be strangely disappointed if it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: deanl123 on May 17, 2012, 10:14:33 PM
Before today, Lambert was my first choice. But he didn't excite me. Ex-Norwich manager, unwanted by any other clubs, very cheap, but probably the best option around from a very small pool of choices.

Now I'm excited again!

I know it's probably because of what OGS is not, but at the same time he does come across as a real professor of the game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Trouble is if he does a good job will the F.A. change their stance just for a change and try and appoint him. They are as desperate as us these days.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 10:17:44 PM
Are the Norwegian league and Utd reserve games widely enough seen to form a view on what kind of manager he is?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 17, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
It would seem even more of a risk if he's not coming in under a DoF, but it looks like he has a sizable team working with him.

I think one of his main benefits is that he knows the importance of surrounding himself with the right people.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: greenwichvilla on May 17, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
Apparently it's been announced on Norweigan radio he's signed. Twitter, though. Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Where is this video where he spells out his football philosophy? I will have a look at it as others seem excited by his words.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
Perhaps we're too big a club for him at his current stage of development?

And then some.

It's not just that we are too big a club (behaving like a small club, admittedly), it's the job itself.  He has to turn around a squad of players that just avoided relegation by a couple of points; he will have to do this whilst relying on free transfers and a very small budget (I believe). 

Can a  guy whose CV reads that he has done well in Norway for a couple of seasons really be the man for the job?  What is it on his CV that tells us he is?  If anyone can tell me I'd genuinely be interested to know because I'm beginning to think we are all losing our marbles.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:25:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 17, 2012, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 17, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
Perhaps we're too big a club for him at his current stage of development?

And then some.

It's not just that we are too big a club (behaving like a small club, admittedly), it's the job itself.  He has to turn around a squad of players that just avoided relegation by a couple of points; he will have to do this whilst relying on free transfers and a very small budget (I believe). 

Can a  guy whose CV reads that he has done well in Norway for a couple of seasons really be the man for the job?  What is it on his CV that tells us he is?  If anyone can tell me I'd genuinely be interested to know because I'm beginning to think we are all losing our marbles.

I think sir alex told randy he is good enough.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
Norwegian radio is mostle 'Bread' records and weather forecasts, forecasting shit weather.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 17, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
It would seem even more of a risk if he's not coming in under a DoF, but it looks like he has a sizable team working with him.

I think one of his main benefits is that he knows the importance of surrounding himself with the right people.

What is the general perception of what he's doing there Eig? 

Is he seen as an innovator, someone with that spark about him that makes things happen? 
Or -as an earlier poster mentioned-  has his success at Molde had more to do with money?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: frank black on May 17, 2012, 10:25:54 PM
I'll get behind him, unless of course.....

"well if we are going to lose 5-0 nil, then I'm glad it was to United"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 17, 2012, 10:26:25 PM
Quote from: greenwichvilla on May 17, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
Apparently it's been announced on Norweigan radio he's signed. Twitter, though. Make of it what you will.

I can only see references to the same story I linked to earlier on either NRK (Norwegian version of BBC) or TV2
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 17, 2012, 10:27:05 PM
The downside to this is that he probably will need a bit of time to get up to speed on the Karl Henry deal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:27:56 PM
Proper LOL.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: frank black on May 17, 2012, 10:25:54 PM
I'll get behind him, unless of course.....

"well if we are going to lose 5-0 nil, then I'm glad it was to United"

I honestly think that if he said that Ferguson would be the first in line to kick his arse.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Where is this video where he spells out his football philosophy? I will have a look at it as others seem excited by his words.



About 10 minutes in they start about the football. Love his philosophy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:30:09 PM
Lets hope he knows how shit our defence are and doesnt decide to give them time to show him, he needs to do an awful lot of transfer business.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eamonn on May 17, 2012, 10:30:11 PM
Gagey summed-up my feelings very well.

On the one hand it feels like an extension of the feeder club we've become in recent times. Milner, Young, Walker all using us as stepping stones though in fairness to the former two there was a time when they possibly thought that they could play the glory days of their career with us.
Everyone bar Ryan Giggs and Alex Del Piero (any chance we can snap him up?) are ever more transient in football these days. That's ok. If Solskjaer is ultimately on the first big challenge of a bright future in management he'll have to have done pretty well with us to keep progressing.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
Norwegian radio is mostle 'Bread' records and weather forecasts, forecasting shit weather.

I am feeling you are a real fan of Norway Damon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 10:25:33 PM
Norwegian radio is mostle 'Bread' records and weather forecasts, forecasting shit weather.

I am feeling you are a real fan of Norway Damon.

I went there once and loved it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Where is this video where he spells out his football philosophy? I will have a look at it as others seem excited by his words.



About 10 minutes in they start about the football. Love his philosophy.

Cheers ozz!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?

I think he's the main target.

Do you think based on information that is open to all of us (ie links/words from this thread or VT?) or some other knowledge?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?

I think he's the main target.

Do you think based on information that is open to all of us (ie links/words from this thread or VT?) or some other knowledge?

I don't have any certainties, but it just feels right. As with all these sort of deals, though, there's a long way between want and get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
Talk sport saying done deal

Not yet it isn't.

Looking likely though Dave?

I think he's the main target.

Do you think based on information that is open to all of us (ie links/words from this thread or VT?) or some other knowledge?

I don't have any certainties, but it just feels right. As with all these sort of deals, though, there's a long way between want and get.

Fair enough. I had doubts on the legitimacy of it all earlier - but it's all adding up. The biggest shock is that the board would be.. brave enough to appoint him, I guess. I hope you're right and he is our choice. I have a feeling he could be very good for our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:38:54 PM
I will be in Norway for the first two games of next season. With any luck I will be doing doughnuts in the car park of Ål Minipris and screaming 'Villa!' out of the window.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
I am quite suprised by Liverpool going after Martinez.

Don't get me wrong, after a year of McLeish, I'd probably have been happy if they'd given the job to Martinez's sister, just to get McLeish out, but I could see how he might make sense as an appointment for us.

it's a different thing, though, seeing him talking to Liverpool. RAWK has been somewhat unimpressed to say the least, they still have that view of themselves as in the 80s, and think they should be after the likes of Guardiola.

Is this a case of the owners viewing things dispassionately as "outsiders" less prone to buying into the mythology of Liverpool?

In a way, it looks like them realising and admitting that they're not at the top table any more, and don't have the $$$ to get there, so they're being pragmatic and taking a punt. On the other hand, it all seems a bit random.

Appoint Hodgson, sack him. Appoint a club legend, give him a year, sack him. Appoint a DoF, then sack him too. Sack the PR bloke, sack the CEO, too, and they still don't have a plan for a new stadium (their most pressing need).

Looks suspiciously like a failed attempt to organise a piss up in a brewery to me. Marvellous.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
If they do get OGS soon, fair play to them, they've shown some proper leadership for the first time in quite some time.  Decisively boot McLeish into touch, identify Solskjær, fly to Norway, appoint him.  If it happens like that, well done to them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john2710 on May 17, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Martinez - didn't want to come last year, doubt very much Randy would go back a second time. Wigan got some great results over the last 2 months but he's spent most of his career in the bottom 6. It's time for him to get out now, while his stock is high. Good luck at Liverpool after King Kenny!!

Lambert - would be the safe bet, would deliver in the same way MON did. If he's not interested then it's his loss, I suspect he will find things much tougher next year. Given the record we have with all but ending the managerial careers of most managers over the last 20 years, you can't blame him. 

Rodgers - don't know what the fuss is all about, don't think I could watch us pass the ball back and forth between the defenders and goalkeeper for the majority of the match every week.

If OGS does come it's a brave choice by Lerner. For this he needs to be applauded. He lacks managerial experience but has more footballing experience than most of the above. He knows the Premiership and I'm sure he's an intelligent / ambitious man. I wouldn't be fooled by his boyish looks. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
I am quite suprised by Liverpool going after Martinez.

Don't get me wrong, after a year of McLeish, I'd probably have been happy if they'd given the job to Martinez's sister, just to get McLeish out, but I could see how he might make sense as an appointment for us.

it's a different thing, though, seeing him talking to Liverpool. RAWK has been somewhat unimpressed to say the least, they still have that view of themselves as in the 80s, and think they should be after the likes of Guardiola.

Is this a case of the owners viewing things dispassionately as "outsiders" less prone to buying into the mythology of Liverpool?

In a way, it looks like them realising and admitting that they're not at the top table any more, and don't have the $$$ to get there, so they're being pragmatic and taking a punt. On the other hand, it all seems a bit random.

Appoint Hodgson, sack him. Appoint a club legend, give him a year, sack him. Appoint a DoF, then sack him too. Sack the PR bloke, sack the CEO, too, and they still don't have a plan for a new stadium (their most pressing need).

Looks suspiciously like a failed attempt to organise a piss up in a brewery to me. Marvellous.

It'd be funnier if our last two years hadn't been far worse.  At least they won a trophy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:37:09 PM

Fair enough. I had doubts on the legitimacy of it all earlier - but it's all adding up. The biggest shock is that the board would be.. brave enough to appoint him, I guess. I hope you're right and he is our choice. I have a feeling he could be very good for our club.

There can surely be no doubt as to the legitimacy. He's clearly on his way over here tomorrow.

Whether that ends up with him being our manager is another thing, but it's refreshing to see the board take such a punt.

Despite being a dyed in the wool miserablist, I find it strangely exciting, and can't help thinking of the way things changed when BFR came in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wozwebs on May 17, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
Telegraph saying he has a substantial buy out clause. Spending more money on managers than players!

Good choice though
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
I am quite suprised by Liverpool going after Martinez.

Don't get me wrong, after a year of McLeish, I'd probably have been happy if they'd given the job to Martinez's sister, just to get McLeish out, but I could see how he might make sense as an appointment for us.

it's a different thing, though, seeing him talking to Liverpool. RAWK has been somewhat unimpressed to say the least, they still have that view of themselves as in the 80s, and think they should be after the likes of Guardiola.

Is this a case of the owners viewing things dispassionately as "outsiders" less prone to buying into the mythology of Liverpool?

In a way, it looks like them realising and admitting that they're not at the top table any more, and don't have the $$$ to get there, so they're being pragmatic and taking a punt. On the other hand, it all seems a bit random.

Appoint Hodgson, sack him. Appoint a club legend, give him a year, sack him. Appoint a DoF, then sack him too. Sack the PR bloke, sack the CEO, too, and they still don't have a plan for a new stadium (their most pressing need).

Looks suspiciously like a failed attempt to organise a piss up in a brewery to me. Marvellous.

It'd be funnier if our last two years hadn't been far worse.  At least they won a trophy.

That's not the point, is it, though?

A league cup is a much bigger deal for us than it is for them. Their situation shows even more patchy management than our lot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
If they do get OGS soon, fair play to them, they've shown some proper leadership for the first time in quite some time.  Decisively boot McLeish into touch, identify Solskjær, fly to Norway, appoint him.  If it happens like that, well done to them.

Exactly if it happens credit where's credit's due. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cb on May 17, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
In fairness we probably look exactly the same right now...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:37:09 PM

Fair enough. I had doubts on the legitimacy of it all earlier - but it's all adding up. The biggest shock is that the board would be.. brave enough to appoint him, I guess. I hope you're right and he is our choice. I have a feeling he could be very good for our club.

There can surely be no doubt as to the legitimacy. He's clearly on his way over here tomorrow.

Whether that ends up with him being our manager is another thing, but it's refreshing to see the board take such a punt.

Despite being a dyed in the wool miserablist, I find it strangely exciting, and can't help thinking of the way things changed when BFR came in.

Oh, no. But earlier when it was first discussed I wasn't sure. Now I'm confident he's going to be flying over tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
I am quite suprised by Liverpool going after Martinez.

Don't get me wrong, after a year of McLeish, I'd probably have been happy if they'd given the job to Martinez's sister, just to get McLeish out, but I could see how he might make sense as an appointment for us.

it's a different thing, though, seeing him talking to Liverpool. RAWK has been somewhat unimpressed to say the least, they still have that view of themselves as in the 80s, and think they should be after the likes of Guardiola.

Is this a case of the owners viewing things dispassionately as "outsiders" less prone to buying into the mythology of Liverpool?

In a way, it looks like them realising and admitting that they're not at the top table any more, and don't have the $$$ to get there, so they're being pragmatic and taking a punt. On the other hand, it all seems a bit random.

Appoint Hodgson, sack him. Appoint a club legend, give him a year, sack him. Appoint a DoF, then sack him too. Sack the PR bloke, sack the CEO, too, and they still don't have a plan for a new stadium (their most pressing need).

Looks suspiciously like a failed attempt to organise a piss up in a brewery to me. Marvellous.

You just have to look at how well Martinez has polled here. A team that narrowly avoided staying up on goal difference only - and he's fourth choice amongst our lot.   

I accept it's a relatively small sample of Villa fans on this site, but it's consistent with the views of most other Villa fans I've spoken too -  Lambert and Rodgers the favourites, with AVB and others as outsiders/ flights of fantasy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 10:41:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
I am quite suprised by Liverpool going after Martinez.

Don't get me wrong, after a year of McLeish, I'd probably have been happy if they'd given the job to Martinez's sister, just to get McLeish out, but I could see how he might make sense as an appointment for us.

it's a different thing, though, seeing him talking to Liverpool. RAWK has been somewhat unimpressed to say the least, they still have that view of themselves as in the 80s, and think they should be after the likes of Guardiola.

Is this a case of the owners viewing things dispassionately as "outsiders" less prone to buying into the mythology of Liverpool?

In a way, it looks like them realising and admitting that they're not at the top table any more, and don't have the $$$ to get there, so they're being pragmatic and taking a punt. On the other hand, it all seems a bit random.

Appoint Hodgson, sack him. Appoint a club legend, give him a year, sack him. Appoint a DoF, then sack him too. Sack the PR bloke, sack the CEO, too, and they still don't have a plan for a new stadium (their most pressing need).

Looks suspiciously like a failed attempt to organise a piss up in a brewery to me. Marvellous.

It'd be funnier if our last two years hadn't been far worse.  At least they won a trophy.

That's not the point, is it, though?

A league cup is a much bigger deal for us than it is for them. Their situation shows even more patchy management than our lot.

Their delusional state of mind was summed up by Terry McDermott saying they should be going for Mourinho or a Mourinho level manager. Yeah right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
Anyone with doubts click on the documentary link from ozz on page 288 - very good viewing and seems a good fit for us- no doubt he will take the job and i wish him well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Eigentor on May 17, 2012, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:25:35 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 17, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 10:05:03 PM
It would seem even more of a risk if he's not coming in under a DoF, but it looks like he has a sizable team working with him.

I think one of his main benefits is that he knows the importance of surrounding himself with the right people.

What is the general perception of what he's doing there Eig? 

Is he seen as an innovator, someone with that spark about him that makes things happen? 
Or -as an earlier poster mentioned-  has his success at Molde had more to do with money?

It's difficult to seperate the one from the other; on the one hand he did have a lot of money, on the other he transformed Molde from a hapless mid-table side to a side that confidently expected to win the league and proceeded to do so.

He couldn't have done it without the money, but it was nevertheless remarkable that it happened so quickly and by someone who had very little experience. (The Norwegian league is regarded as a significant step up from the English reserve league.)

It does suggest that he has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
If we all get behind him 100% it will put pressure on the players.They knew that if they didn't give 100% under AM it would be him that carried the can for their shit performances rather than get the stick they deserved .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
Anyone with doubts click on the documentary link from ozz on page 288 - very good viewing and seems a good fit for us- no doubt he will take the job and i wish him well.

Just finished watching it. 46 minutes well spent. I like him - a lot. He wants to manage over here, and he's got a great football brain and it looks like he's a great coach and manager. Seems the type to put a lot of work into the details.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 17, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
Are people suggesting John Gregory was a success now? I thought spunking loads of money on players with no sell-on value, finishing 6th and losing in cup finals was viewed as a capital offence these days.

Compared to GT mark II, O'Leary, Houllier and McLeish he was a success. If you like, our second most successful manager in the past 14 years.

Compared to Billy McNeill, McLeish was a success. Means nothing if it results in no end product.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 10:52:22 PM
Hmmm I wonder what this will read at 11?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/17/1?newsfeed=true
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Walshmeister on May 17, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
watch the youtube link. I am v impressed and now intrigued / interested. Give him a go I say! He will play the way he was coached and will bring exciting times and a change in the dour football we've witnessed for 3 years!

Why do some Villa fans think we are owed a big name manager? Jog on and give this geezer a chance....................I have a good feeling for the first time since I got fisted in a Parsien brothel.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 17, 2012, 10:55:40 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 10:52:22 PM
Hmmm I wonder what this will read at 11?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/17/1?newsfeed=true

"This story has been taken down as it breached an embargo"

What does this mean? Is that good?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 17, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
Just watching the video now, he still looks about 12 the jammy bastard.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:56:54 PM
It means they put it up before they should/were allowed to, basically.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:57:00 PM
Bloody hell, I hope so
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Martinez one of 8 that liverpool wish to speak with including rodgers and lambert according to mirror- at least randy has moved fast this time to get his man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 17, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/17/1?cat=sport&type=article

Story taken down due to a press embargo. Will be up at 11.00

Anyone know what this could mean? I mean I know what an embargo means, but is it done?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: midian on May 17, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
intresting how the end of the guardian link has true at the end so could be important!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 10:59:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Martinez one of 8 that liverpool wish to speak with including rodgers and lambert according to mirror- at least randy has moved fast this time to get his man.

So Liverpool are going to request to talk to several managers.. and then turn all but one down. I'm sure the chairmen around England will love that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 10:59:21 PM
People break embargoes all the time. Usually Sky, pretending they've got an exclusive.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 10:59:48 PM
The amount of us refreshing that page will probably break the internet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/17/1?cat=sport&type=article

Story taken down due to a press embargo. Will be up at 11.00

Anyone know what this could mean? I mean I know what an embargo means, but is it done?

Noticed that just now after commenting on it on the main board. Looks like its a done deal...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
He will be great for football chants

ole ole ole   oi oi oi

and the spanish one ole ole ole ole ...

will be fun
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
The guardian has form, though. Remember the big Gareth Bale exclusive?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 11:01:42 PM
It's 11:01. I feel lied too. Damn you guardian.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
The guardian has form, though. Remember the big Gareth Bale exclusive?

Indeed, telling the world that he looks like a chimp was hardly ground breaking journalism.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
The guardian has form, though. Remember the big Gareth Bale exclusive?

Fair enough. I'm getting excitable and I'm tired, I need a lie down. Got fuck all done today because of this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 11:02:46 PM
11:02. Where's the story you *(&**$ds
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
Me too. Have had a huge domestic, partly as a result. Partly because my missus is a bossy sow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maigrait on May 17, 2012, 11:04:02 PM
come on guardian i want to go to bed...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
The guardian has form, though. Remember the big Gareth Bale exclusive?

Got the washing in yet? Don't leave it out overnight, you'll regret it if it's a damp evening.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 11:04:47 PM
Yeah, told the misses I was just gonna check the net then head to bed. I want to see the article first, damn it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 11:05:20 PM
I've known lap dancers who were less of a tease than The Guardian is being right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
Me too. Have had a huge domestic, partly as a result. Partly because my missus is a bossy sow.

It's the washing isn't it? You can't say you weren't warned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maigrait on May 17, 2012, 11:05:44 PM
missues has a cold so no chance of a portion... may as well continue to click refresh
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Martinez one of 8 that liverpool wish to speak with including rodgers and lambert according to mirror- at least randy has moved fast this time to get his man.

I honestly think that of all the clubs in the world who could jump in and nick a manager from us, with this bloke, Liverpool are the least likely!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Chris, you don't have a spare sofa up there in Harrogate, by any chance?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 17, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
New Guardian link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-aston-villa
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:08:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Martinez one of 8 that liverpool wish to speak with including rodgers and lambert according to mirror- at least randy has moved fast this time to get his man.

I honestly think that of all the clubs in the world who could jump in and nick a manager from us, with this bloke, Liverpool are the least likely!

I've been passively-aggressively linking the Martinez reports to Liverpool supporting friends on Facebook today, asking "Thoughts?"

Not one has replied.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 11:09:06 PM
Quote
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is on the shortlist for the managerial vacancy at Aston Villa. The former Manchester United striker, who is in charge of the Norwegian club Molde, has emerged as a surprise contender to replace Alex McLeish.

Solskjaer's odds tumbled on the betting markets on Thursday and although no talks are yet planned to take place between Randy Lerner, the Villa owner, and the 39-year-old, he is known to be one of the names under consideration, along with Wigan's Roberto Martínez, Norwich's Paul Lambert and the Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers.

There are, however, doubts in Norway as to whether Solskjaer would be receptive to an approach from Villa at this stage of his managerial career and at a time when he is enjoying seeing his three children grow up in his hometown of Kristiansund. Solskjaer has two years remaining on his contract with Molde, whom he led to the Norwegian title for the first time in their history last October in his first year as a manager, and there is a sense that he would prefer to see out the remainder of that deal before taking a job overseas.

There is also the prospect of leading Molde, where he made his name as an exciting young striker in Norway before moving to Old Trafford in 1996, into the Champions League this summer. Molde will come into the competition at the second qualifying round stage and it could be difficult for Solskjaer to turn his back on that opportunity.

For the moment, Villa are weighing up their options, which could include considering the merits of Kevin MacDonald, the first-team coach under McLeish and the caretaker manager when Martin O'Neill walked out on the eve of the 2010-11 season. MacDonald is understood to be interested in the post. "I think Kevin would be a good candidate," Gabriel Agbonlahor said. "He's very good with the younger players and has won the reserves' title I don't know how many times. Obviously, it's the chairman's decision. But I don't think the fans should discount him because he's not a big name."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
Who the hell is on Randy's plane in Norway then ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
Just to say that this:

https://twitter.com/#!/rawk_meltdown

which is someone reposting to twitter comments of meltdown from RAWK today is the funniest thing on the internet currently.

Honestly, for well over a year now, I've loved Liverpool, they and their fans are just so fucking funny. I'm going to miss that crazy, craggy faced grumpy relic.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:10:07 PM
Good old guardian. In other news, Titanic sinks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
Well that new article is shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john2710 on May 17, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Surely it would be posted on the official site first and not at 11 o'clock at night.

I'd expect we'll hear something tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Stu on May 17, 2012, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 17, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
New Guardian link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-aston-villa

Exactly the same story, I think.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
Chris, you don't have a spare sofa up there in Harrogate, by any chance?

It's possible but I need you to be honest with me. Were you on the internet all day with your silly football friends rather than attending to the list of jobs your wife left for you? Because she did leave you a list and i'm fairly certain that at the top of the list was to sort the washing out which includes taking it in off the line.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: maigrait on May 17, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
I'm going to bed - thanks guardian for wasting at least 2000 mouse clicks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
Who the hell is on Randy's plane in Norway then ;-)

The pilot presumably.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 17, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
It's the same story from earlier, teasing pricks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
I have a feeling that this is going to be finalised tomorrow.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
Who the hell is on Randy's plane in Norway then ;-)

The pilot presumably.

Auto pilot, inflatable kind, and a stewardess, a la Airplane?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: Olney N'Lonely on May 17, 2012, 11:12:31 PM
It's the same story from earlier, teasing pricks.

Lilly livered phone hacking obsessed COMMUNISTS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 17, 2012, 11:14:37 PM
I think things are more advanced than thay appear and thisay well be wrapped up tomorrow- the guardian are wide of the mark saying no talks .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2012, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 17, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
Who the hell is on Randy's plane in Norway then ;-)

John Blackwell.

Rivaldo will be arriving as coaching assistant next week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez

"Liverpool have wasted little time in the search for Kenny Dalglish's successor by drawing up a wish-list headed by Pep Guardiola and Fabio Capello, and have already approached Roberto Martínez at Wigan Athletic, Swansea City's Brendan Rodgers and André Villas-Boas within 24 hours of bringing the Anfield legend's reign to an end."

Isn't shortlisting Guardiola and Capello, but talking to Roberto Martinez a little bit like saying on a Friday night, "right, I'm off out up town, and I'm going to shag Cheryl Cole" but then thinking "but first of all, I'm going to get Sonia from Eastenders to curl one off onto my chest"?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez

"Liverpool have wasted little time in the search for Kenny Dalglish's successor by drawing up a wish-list headed by Pep Guardiola and Fabio Capello, and have already approached Roberto Martínez at Wigan Athletic, Swansea City's Brendan Rodgers and André Villas-Boas within 24 hours of bringing the Anfield legend's reign to an end."

Isn't shortlisting Guardiola and Capello, but talking to Roberto Martinez a little bit like saying on a Friday night, "right, I'm off out up town, and I'm going to shag Cheryl Cole" but then thinking "but first of all, I'm going to get Sonia from Eastenders to curl one off onto my chest"?


Brilliant.

And concerning.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
listening to the radio today , all the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans ringing up saying Jose is the man.   f**king idiots
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:21:07 PM

That's disgusting!

I'd get her to piss on my legs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 17, 2012, 11:20:17 PM
listening to the radio today , all the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans ringing up saying Jose is the man.   f**king idiots


They were the most entertaining hour of my day calling into Talkshite this am and droning on about not wanting Martinez. I did smile when Whelan squealed out his piggy news tonight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:21:07 PM

That's disgusting!

I'd get her to piss on my legs.

Pah, I can do that to myself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:21:07 PM

That's disgusting!

I'd get her to piss on my legs.

You are both wrong. And have spent too many hours watching 2 girls and a cup!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 17, 2012, 11:22:31 PM
But why keep a dog, and bark yourself?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 17, 2012, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
Isn't shortlisting Guardiola and Capello, but talking to Roberto Martinez a little bit like saying on a Friday night, "right, I'm off out up town, and I'm going to shag Cheryl Cole" but then thinking "but first of all, I'm going to get Sonia from Eastenders to curl one off onto my chest"?

By that rationale, employing Alex McLeish would be akin to gargling Mary Beard's fanny batter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: DeKuip on May 17, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
OGS?
If we are going to shorten his name can we all start calling him Ole please. OGs makes me nervous after last year's own goal of an appointment.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:24:39 PM
I honestly don't think there's a woman on earth who could piss on my legs as fantastically as I could do myself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 17, 2012, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
Isn't shortlisting Guardiola and Capello, but talking to Roberto Martinez a little bit like saying on a Friday night, "right, I'm off out up town, and I'm going to shag Cheryl Cole" but then thinking "but first of all, I'm going to get Sonia from Eastenders to curl one off onto my chest"?

By that rationale, employing Alex McLeish would be akin to gargling Mary Beard's fanny batter.

reminds me fish and chips friday  :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 17, 2012, 11:38:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/17/liverpool-pep-guardiola-roberto-martinez

"Liverpool have wasted little time in the search for Kenny Dalglish's successor by drawing up a wish-list headed by Pep Guardiola and Fabio Capello, and have already approached Roberto Martínez at Wigan Athletic, Swansea City's Brendan Rodgers and André Villas-Boas within 24 hours of bringing the Anfield legend's reign to an end."

Isn't shortlisting Guardiola and Capello, but talking to Roberto Martinez a little bit like saying on a Friday night, "right, I'm off out up town, and I'm going to shag Cheryl Cole" but then thinking "but first of all, I'm going to get Sonia from Eastenders to curl one off onto my chest"?

Anyone else notice how Sonia looks like that Rocket kid who was on Soccer AM years ago?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 17, 2012, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
If you line up all the potential and gettable frontline candidates - Martinez, di Matteo, Lambert, Rogers, Solskjaer, I'd say four will never build a Champions League-winning team. Solskjaer might. It's a gamble, but let's die trying.

This^^  as the internetters say.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
R5 just reported that the OGS links, essentially (they didn't use these words per se, but it came down to) ... Unsubstantiated Twitter Shit!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2012, 11:45:42 PM
Quote from: James on May 17, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
R5 just reported that the OGS links, essentially (they didn't use these words per se, but it came down to) ... Unsubstantiated Twitter Shit!

Probably just a bit upset they didn't get the news out first, there is clearly some substance to it, whether it's a done deal yet I don't know but there is no chance it's all rumours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 18, 2012, 12:00:26 AM
After watching that documentary on Ole. I feel  inspired about his quality and professionalism. I am now genuinely excited. He has massive respect surrounding him and players really seem to understand his philosophy. Also reckon he will attract young and exciting players. Bring it on ...........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 12:07:02 AM
There's no shame in being excited about this. Its what its all about for me. Unorthodox, risky, imaginative and more than anything else BRAVE. It shows that the club has some balls. The worst thing we could have done was gone for somebody who is steady and more of the same.

I'm not bothered what the players think. Hopefully OGS, if he gets the job, will be building his own team and I reckon the younger players will love him and prosper.
It's time to actually start building something that is lasting, progressive and fresh and it will take some time but it could be a lot of fun on the way.

I understand that some fans have reservations. Especially the ones who wet the bed. But I dont want to hear from you at the moment so do one. :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
Di Matteo not getting the chelsea job .   cappello to get it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
I would much rather we did something with a bit of vision like this than just took another manager from he same pool of bog standard British managers who seem to get these jobs without ever actually doing much of note.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2012, 12:11:46 AM
In case he gets the job, is there a shortcut way of doing the letter that is an 'a' and an 'e' squished together?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 12:12:40 AM
If Ole arrives down Bodymoor in his tracksuit top , Dunne will probably run up to him and say ' Oi you , you are wearing my top , OGS ,which means  own goals scored'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Javu on May 18, 2012, 12:13:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
I would much rather we did something with a bit of vision like this than just took another manager from he same pool of bog standard British managers who seem to get these jobs without ever actually doing much of note.

God forbid, first time and hopefully the last time I will ever do this, but:

+1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Jimbo on May 18, 2012, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 12:12:40 AM
If Ole arrives down Bodymoor in his tracksuit top , Dunne will probably run up to him and say ' Oi you , you are wearing my top , OGS ,which means  own goals scored'

Oh, I thought it stood for 'oversized greasy snacks.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dl9 on May 18, 2012, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 12:12:40 AM
If Ole arrives down Bodymoor in his tracksuit top , Dunne will probably run up to him and say ' Oi you , you are wearing my top , OGS ,which means  own goals scored'


excellent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2012, 12:22:01 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 18, 2012, 12:11:46 AM
In case he gets the job, is there a shortcut way of doing the letter that is an 'a' and an 'e' squished together?

On a mac, it's option '

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2012, 12:30:40 AM
I don't have a Mac. I sense some copying and pasting coming up!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2012, 12:35:21 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 18, 2012, 12:30:40 AM
I don't have a Mac. I sense some copying and pasting coming up!

I've helpfully changed my signature line for your use.  There should be plenty of times a day that you can copy it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2012, 12:37:08 AM
Sorry, misread post there. Thænkyou.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: wookster on May 18, 2012, 12:43:56 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 18, 2012, 12:35:21 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 18, 2012, 12:30:40 AM
I don't have a Mac. I sense some copying and pasting coming up!

I've helpfully changed my signature line for your use.  There should be plenty of times a day that you can copy it!

Longwinded way, but æ's in the character map on a pc. You need to be an octopus to do it directly from the keyboard (press Alt and then key in 0230)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 18, 2012, 12:50:25 AM
ærse
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2012, 12:53:35 AM
ææææææææææææææææ
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2012, 01:05:10 AM
EDITED

In no way did I post nonsense trying to remember the windows shortcut for the norwegian characters... {whistles}
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 18, 2012, 01:23:06 AM
Owen releaed by Man U! Who is the Robbie Keane sub for next seaon?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 18, 2012, 01:25:50 AM
We should just word filter it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2012, 01:53:29 AM
Interesting to see that most opinion on here about OGS is being based on a 40 minute documentary shown on MUTV.  Considering it's target audience, it was hardly going to make him out to look stupid was it? 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 18, 2012, 01:58:22 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 18, 2012, 01:53:29 AM
Interesting to see that most opinion on here about OGS is being based on a 40 minute documentary shown on MUTV.  Considering it's target audience, it was hardly going to make him out to look stupid was it? 

No, but it's hard to fabricate the way they 'make' him look good. It's not just that he looks the part, it's the football style he's advocating there, with intriguing ideas like 'minimal amounts of crosses' (that clunk was the sound of MON's jaw hitting the ground in shock that anyone would think that).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 18, 2012, 07:06:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2012, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 17, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Where is this video where he spells out his football philosophy? I will have a look at it as others seem excited by his words.



About 10 minutes in they start about the football. Love his philosophy.
Thanks for video, he's a very likable fella, always has been.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 18, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Brendan Rogers has turned down Liverpool approach so we can completely rule him out as a possibility
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 18, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Brendan Rogers has turned down Liverpool approach so we can completely rule him out as a possibility


well done BR  . like it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 09:54:33 AM
Molde have allowed Villa to talk to Ole
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: David_Nab on May 18, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
Rodgers is holding out hope Villa we come in for him :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 18, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Lazio have parted company with their manager, reckon RDM will go there!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 18, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Brendan Rogers has turned down Liverpool approach so we can completely rule him out as a possibility


well done BR  . like it


always like him , let them have a manager who turns up in March !!! :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 18, 2012, 10:30:28 AM
Rodgers is a good guy. He ruled himself out of the Chelsea job when it became available saying he knew it wasn't the time to move, and he's backed that up further by refusing the Liverpool job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 18, 2012, 10:36:30 AM
Ole is well odds on now. 1/3-2/7 average. No bet there, then! Mickmac has disappeared from the betting. Lambert 2nd fave up to 13/2 in places. Martinez 10-1 and more. Rodgers still there but 10-1, and up to 33-1, in places. You can get 33-1 on Klinsmann. Done and dusted then???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 18, 2012, 10:41:02 AM
On 5Live..........."Molde confirm that Villa are talking to OGS"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 18, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 18, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Brendan Rogers has turned down Liverpool approach so we can completely rule him out as a possibility


well done BR  . like it

always like him , let them have a manager who turns up in March !!! :D

That would rule out MON then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 18, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
A lot of Villa fans are gonna make a killing. Gutted I missed the chance to bet when he was in the high 20s.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 18, 2012, 10:45:49 AM
A lot of Villa fans are gonna make a killing. Gutted I missed the chance to bet when he was in the high 20s.

They'll say they made a killing. Big difference.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 18, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Well, yeah - fair point. The fish is always bigger when the story is told.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: moetvillain on May 18, 2012, 10:58:24 AM
Frank DeBoer
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
I actually had a scoop on this and didn't bet. By the time I'd really thought about it the odds weren't worth bothering with.
An opportunity missed (could have bought a new guitar) but, never mind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 18, 2012, 11:13:44 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 17, 2012, 11:21:07 PM

That's disgusting!

I'd get her to piss on my legs.
Not on Chris's sofa you won't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mister E on May 18, 2012, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 18, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Brendan Rogers has turned down Liverpool approach so we can completely rule him out as a possibility
Or, he may feel that a move to Villa has more advantages in terms of the expectations, player-group and lack of OTT media pressure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
It's clear (to me) that whilst there are contingencies should anything go horribly wrong, there really isn't anybody except Solskjaer getting this job.

It's all done and dusted bar the formalities.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 18, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Pat Murphy on R5 seems to be a bit 'off the pace' with it. That'll piss him off when he catches up!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 18, 2012, 11:43:36 AM
Thanks to Mick McCarthy for providing the smoke & mirrors.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: not3bad on May 18, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 18, 2012, 11:43:36 AM
Thanks to Mick McCarthy for providing t'smoke & mirrors.

Aye lad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: damon loves JT on May 18, 2012, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
It's clear (to me) that whilst there are contingencies should anything go horribly wrong, there really isn't anybody except Solskjær getting this job.

It's all done and dusted bar the formalities.

I really hope you're right. But women are funny. I hope the toilet on Randy's jet was clean.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
It's clear (to me) that whilst there are contingencies should anything go horribly wrong, there really isn't anybody except Solskjær getting this job.

It's all done and dusted bar the formalities.

Don't forget, it's not just a decision for us, it is one for him and his family, too. He's got to decide if he thinks the job is too much too soon, he has to speak to the chairman and discuss his vision for the club, he's got to be happy his family would enjoy moving back to the UK.

That's a lot for him to take in.

If I were him, and were offered the job, I think I'd ask for the weekend to think about it. Wouldn't surprise me if he does the same.

One thing I will say that, as we've been told for a while now, we are cutting back and trimming our expenditure. Solskjaer is bound to ask about how much money he's going to have for team building. He might for all we know get told it's what he can raise by sales, in which case, he could well turn it down, despite everything else being right.

What I'm trying (and failing a bit) to say is that there are a lot of factors to sort out, and I wouldn't be getting convinced of anything just yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: myf on May 18, 2012, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 18, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 18, 2012, 11:43:36 AM
Thanks to Mick McCarthy for providing t'smoke & mirrors.

Aye lad.

McCarthy always reminds me of a farmer off Emmerdale!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: charlie on May 18, 2012, 05:43:38 PM
Looks like he has gone home to think, saying polite things.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 18, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Statement from the board

http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=2776912

I'm now confused
Club statement: Board on manager search
18-05-2012



The Aston Villa board has embarked upon an interview process which will lead to the appointment of a new manager.

This process will be focused and consistent with the board's objectives which are to secure a manager who can help to reinvigorate the club and bring some vibrancy back to Villa.

We are aware that certain individuals have been linked with our managerial vacancy but, out of respect to all potential candidates and any clubs they may currently be employed by, we will not discuss specific individuals by name.

We will update supporters when we have more news.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 18, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 18, 2012, 06:17:31 PM
Statement from the board

http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=2776912

I'm now confused
Club statement: Board on manager search
18-05-2012



The Aston Villa board has embarked upon an interview process which will lead to the appointment of a new manager.

This process will be focused and consistent with the board's objectives which are to secure a manager who can help to reinvigorate the club and bring some vibrancy back to Villa.

We are aware that certain individuals have been linked with our managerial vacancy but, out of respect to all potential candidates and any clubs they may currently be employed by, we will not discuss specific individuals by name.

We will update supporters when we have more news.

Fairly standard I imagine. I still suspect Solskjaer is the prime candidate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: eastie on May 18, 2012, 06:36:44 PM
Hes one of 3 or 4 they will approach id imagine as he said himself there are more candidates to be spoken to, i still think lambert is a strong candidate , doubt rodgers or martinez would be interested , but all will ne revealed in time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 18, 2012, 06:51:08 PM
I believe that the latest OS statement is to be read in the context of the previous statement of intent, following the dismissal of Alex McLeish. The Villa Board are aware of the ambitions and preferences of the fans and wish to invite and appoint, accordingly.



I'd be interested in a vibrant young manager.

I hope the Villa get one.  Absolutely. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2012, 08:38:05 PM
I'm pleased that they want to talk to other candidates.  I hope that they appoint the right man, rather than the available man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
It's clear (to me) that whilst there are contingencies should anything go horribly wrong, there really isn't anybody except Solskjær getting this job.

It's all done and dusted bar the formalities.

Don't forget, it's not just a decision for us, it is one for him and his family, too. He's got to decide if he thinks the job is too much too soon, he has to speak to the chairman and discuss his vision for the club, he's got to be happy his family would enjoy moving back to the UK.

That's a lot for him to take in.

If I were him, and were offered the job, I think I'd ask for the weekend to think about it. Wouldn't surprise me if he does the same.

One thing I will say that, as we've been told for a while now, we are cutting back and trimming our expenditure. Solskjær is bound to ask about how much money he's going to have for team building. He might for all we know get told it's what he can raise by sales, in which case, he could well turn it down, despite everything else being right.

What I'm trying (and failing a bit) to say is that there are a lot of factors to sort out, and I wouldn't be getting convinced of anything just yet.

2 points in response to that.

Firstly, of course he has to consider his family but I think this is more advanced than might appear and also, if he he wants to manage in the PL as his stated ambition has been, he would have had to uproot sooner or later.

Secondly, I think he will have some decent financial backing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 18, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
We won't get Rodgers, he's pretty much ruled himself out of any move. We should have ruled out Martinez for obvious reasons and I have a strong feeling that RDM will either get the Chelsea gig or go back to Italy, possibly Lazio who are currently managerless.

That leaves OGS who if he was contacted on Monday as he has stated clearly is NOT a desperate lowering of ambitions but a front runner and the only target that we actually have confirmed yet from the club.

One would presume Lambert is on the list, but who else?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.
Nor does he have a CV that suggests that he would make a mess of it either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 18, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
"Must have Premier League experience"

Where did that get us recently?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2012, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
It's clear (to me) that whilst there are contingencies should anything go horribly wrong, there really isn't anybody except Solskjær getting this job.

It's all done and dusted bar the formalities.

Don't forget, it's not just a decision for us, it is one for him and his family, too. He's got to decide if he thinks the job is too much too soon, he has to speak to the chairman and discuss his vision for the club, he's got to be happy his family would enjoy moving back to the UK.

That's a lot for him to take in.

If I were him, and were offered the job, I think I'd ask for the weekend to think about it. Wouldn't surprise me if he does the same.

One thing I will say that, as we've been told for a while now, we are cutting back and trimming our expenditure. Solskjær is bound to ask about how much money he's going to have for team building. He might for all we know get told it's what he can raise by sales, in which case, he could well turn it down, despite everything else being right.

What I'm trying (and failing a bit) to say is that there are a lot of factors to sort out, and I wouldn't be getting convinced of anything just yet.

True Paulie and what we forget is that it is a risk for him as well.  If he came here and had a nightmare, that could well finish his coaching career in England before it even began.  He might not like the look of the current squad and if the promise of financial backing for team building isnt' there, he might decide it is not the job for him at this stage in his career.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 18, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.

Neither did McLeech nor arguably JG and GT1 either! I understand OGS doesn't appeal to you Hawkeye and that's fair enough, but I'm more excited about him than McCarthy, Bruce, Curbs etc, far more!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.

Neither did McLeech nor arguably JG and GT1 either! I understand OGS doesn't appeal to you Hawkeye and that's fair enough, but I'm more excited about him than McCarthy, Bruce, Curbs etc, far more!
Clearly the reason that people are so on board with the idea is the unknown.

It's the fact that the board, following the well-publicised "has to have Premier League experience" have finally realised and decided, just as we wanted them to "fuck it, that didn't work. Let's try something new" rather than throwing more mud at the same wall.

Even if this doesn't work (and it could be a catastrophe), at least it shows they are thinking. Which is all I really want for the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 18, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
If nothing is sorted by the end of next week, Allardyce and Coyle will be reality.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 18, 2012, 11:25:55 PM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
We won't get Rodgers, he's pretty much ruled himself out of any move. We should have ruled out Martinez for obvious reasons and I have a strong feeling that RDM will either get the Chelsea gig or go back to Italy, possibly Lazio who are currently managerless.

That leaves OGS who if he was contacted on Monday as he has stated clearly is NOT a desperate lowering of ambitions but a front runner and the only target that we actually have confirmed yet from the club.

One would presume Lambert is on the list, but who else?

I would hope they would be looking around Europe for similar promising young managers.  There must be some out there?  Heiko Vogel perhaps?  He probably wouldn't be too cheap, though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2012, 11:26:04 PM
Spoken to two Man United fans today, both really sing the praises of Ole to the hilt.  Very good coach, great personality, forceful but nurturing too. They reckon he'll be a fantastic appointment for us. They were not being condescending either!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2012, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 18, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
"Must have Premier League experience"

Where did that get us recently?

I personally still think Premier League experience should be a pretty important criteria, but we should just avoid managers whose experience consists of two relegations in the space of three and a bit seasons. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.

Neither did McLeech nor arguably JG and GT1 either! I understand OGS doesn't appeal to you Hawkeye and that's fair enough, but I'm more excited about him than McCarthy, Bruce, Curbs etc, far more!
same here
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.
Nor does he have a CV that suggests that he would make a mess of it either.
And that makes sense?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.
Nor does he have a CV that suggests that he would make a mess of it either.
And that makes sense?
Yes. Which bit of it doesn't?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
The Norwegian League is about League 1 level at best. Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
The Norwegian League is about League 1 level at best. Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this.

Excuse us for lacking your wisdom.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.
Nor does he have a CV that suggests that he would make a mess of it either.
And that makes sense?
Yes. Which bit of it doesn't?
I give up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
The Norwegian League is about League 1 level at best. Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this.

Excuse us for lacking your wisdom.
Here we go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 18, 2012, 11:38:40 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.
That makes little to no sense.

"I wanted this person or that person. Because the papers aren't talking about them, that means we've failed and we're looking at inferior options".

It's possible that this is just who they think will do a good job. Rightly or wrongly.
Looking at it objectively, OGS does not have a CV that would suggest he is ready to manage a top PL club.

Neither did McLeech nor arguably JG and GT1 either! I understand OGS doesn't appeal to you Hawkeye and that's fair enough, but I'm more excited about him than McCarthy, Bruce, Curbs etc, far more!
Clearly the reason that people are so on board with the idea is the unknown.

It's the fact that the board, following the well-publicised "has to have Premier League experience" have finally realised and decided, just as we wanted them to "fuck it, that didn't work. Let's try something new" rather than throwing more mud at the same wall.
Even if this doesn't work (and it could be a catastrophe), at least it shows they are thinking. Which is all I really want for the moment.

GT1 took Watford from the Fourth Division to the First, finished runners up in the First Division and got to an FA Cup final before joining Villa.  Agree about McLeish and JG though.

Don't think the "Premier League Experience" stipulation was a bad one, just that they made a shocking choice. 

 

 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
The Norwegian League is about League 1 level at best. Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this.

Excuse us for lacking your wisdom.
Here we go.

Here we go where? You're the one saying the rest of us "haven't got our heads round this" so perhaps you could explain what it is that makes your opinion so special that not only are the rest of us inferior, we're also not allowed to question you. Or is it just me?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:47:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
The Norwegian League is about League 1 level at best. Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this.

Excuse us for lacking your wisdom.
Here we go.

Here we go where? You're the one saying the rest of us "haven't got our heads round this" so perhaps you could explain what it is that makes your opinion so special that not only are the rest of us inferior, we're also not allowed to question you. Or is it just me?
Down the well trodden track, disagree with one Mod and reinforcements arrive, then the "what makes your opinion so special" or "are we not allowed to disagree with you" add in the false acustation that I have some how said the rest of you are inferior.
The next line is probably you dont have to be on this site if you dont like it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 18, 2012, 11:51:38 PM
I think Hawkeye has a more than valid point.  Let's put this another way: what has Solskjaer got on his CV that says he can sort out our near-relegated club?  Why not throw our lot in with title-winning Neil Lennon?  Steve McLaren's CV is is quite similar to Solksjaer's - leaving aside the England and 'Boro bits - let's get him back in the ring. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 11:53:56 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:47:56 PM
Down the well trodden track, disagree with one Mod and reinforcements arrive, then the "what makes your opinion so special" or "are we not allowed to disagree with you" add in the false acustation that I have some how said the rest of you are inferior.
The next line is probably you dont have to be on this site if you dont like it.

It's only a well-trodden track if you were the one walking it first. Nobody is reinforcing me, I reinforce nobody because of who they are and I'm not aware of anyone else who does so either. I don't have a problem whatsoever with your giving your opinion and leave the sentence "Some people obviously have not got thier heads around this." to everyone else to judge whether you are claiming your views to be better than ours or not.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 19, 2012, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

A fair point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

That's one view of David Moyes, I suppose James.  Another might be that he has constantly got Everton in the top ten season after season (even qualified for the Champions League) with a very small squad and limited budget.  He has bought the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott from lower league clubs and nurtured them into internationals.  He has brought through quite a few academy players who have gone on to become first-team regulars (including a 16 year-old Wayne Rooney) and has also added a good mix of foreign players into the club.  Whenever it looks like Everton are going struggle, he always seems to find a way to reverse their fortunes.  Look at this season - struggling a little up until January, so he goes and shores up the midfield by signing Gibson from Man Utd, replaces the constantly injured Saha with Jelavic and they finish in 7th. 

I'm sorry, but I would be absolutely delighted if David Moyes arrived at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
I can't understand why Moyes is happy to finish mid-table every season and if he's so good why nobody else has ever come in for him. He is the Carlos Cuellar of managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 19, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

That's one view of David Moyes, I suppose James.  Another might be that he has constantly got Everton in the top ten season after season (even qualified for the Champions League) with a very small squad and limited budget.  He has bought the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott from lower league clubs and nurtured them into internationals.  He has brought through quite a few academy players who have gone on to become first-team regulars (including a 16 year-old Wayne Rooney) and has also added a good mix of foreign players into the club.  Whenever it looks like Everton are going struggle, he always seems to find a way to reverse their fortunes.  Look at this season - struggling a little up until January, so he goes and shores up the midfield by signing Gibson from Man Utd, replaces the constantly injured Saha with Jelavic and they finish in 7th. 

I'm sorry, but I would be absolutely delighted if David Moyes arrived at Villa Park.

Well, there you go, it's opinion isn't it? I didn't say he wouldn't be 'qualified' for the job on his CV, but what's he actually won and why is he still there if he has ambitions to win things? Once he finished 4th, once he squeaked away from relegation i believe, the other eight years they've been firmly mid-table.

I did say I was playing Devil's Advocate!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to see something new and exciting. Does any one know what the style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:15:52 AM
I can't understand why Moyes is happy to finish mid-table every season and if he's so good why nobody else has ever come in for him. He is the Carlos Cuellar of managers.
Quite, he's a decent fella and solid and thats about it. Mr Regular.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 19, 2012, 12:23:40 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to something new and exciting. Does any one know what style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.

Yes we do! He likes to play pass and move attacking football, has a great record with coaching youngsters, spent enough of his playing career in the PL (underneath arguably the best manager ever) to know what it's about and is a born winner! And he's just won his own league with a club side that had never won it before in 100 years! I'd say that's worth a chance, but like I said above, it's opinion isn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:23:51 AM
Quote from: James on May 19, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that?

That's one view of David Moyes, I suppose James.  Another might be that he has constantly got Everton in the top ten season after season (even qualified for the Champions League) with a very small squad and limited budget.  He has bought the likes of Cahill, Jagielka, Lescott from lower league clubs and nurtured them into internationals.  He has brought through quite a few academy players who have gone on to become first-team regulars (including a 16 year-old Wayne Rooney) and has also added a good mix of foreign players into the club.  Whenever it looks like Everton are going struggle, he always seems to find a way to reverse their fortunes.  Look at this season - struggling a little up until January, so he goes and shores up the midfield by signing Gibson from Man Utd, replaces the constantly injured Saha with Jelavic and they finish in 7th. 

I'm sorry, but I would be absolutely delighted if David Moyes arrived at Villa Park.

Well, there you go, it's opinion isn't it? I didn't say he wouldn't be 'qualified' for the job on his CV, but what's he actually won and why is he still there if he has ambitions to win things? Once he finished 4th, once he squeaked away from relegation i believe, the other eight years they've been firmly mid-table.

I did say I was playing Devil's Advocate!

Not having a go James, just offering an alternative opinion.  To be fair, up until recently only Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool would have presented a real step up from Everton.  Man Utd and Arsenal not available, Liverpool a no-go and Chelsea only employ foreign coaches. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:24:11 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.
Thats because most of us dont watch Championship Football, just like we dont watch Norwegian football. As for Di Matteo no thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
I have wanted Martinez since last summer but since the AM departure I have wanted Lambert,  but now mostly I want OGS and another bottle of Innis and Gunn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: James on May 19, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
Quote
Not having a go James

I know you weren't Tom, no worries mate!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 19, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

A year ago people wanted Jol, Coyle or Hughes and they didn't exactly have stellar seasons.

I also can't remember too many people wanting Pardew when he went to Newcastle and he hasn't done too bad. In fact all the attention was on how hard done by Hughton was not the coup of getting Pardew.

Sometimes a manger just fits the club and is appointed at the right time. There are very few guaranteed successes short of the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:30:16 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

If I recall correctly, Lambert's name was being touted by quite a few Villa fans last summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 19, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
Quote from: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Every appointment is a risk, known quality and proven ability costs money.

Are we in a position to take risks or do we go with the obvious, safe choices?
Are the obvious choices interested in taking a risk on us, given our recent track record?

OGS falls into a high risk category, which is lessened if he comes with some experienced support and gets backing from Lerner. I think this guy will, should he come, surprise us all. We need to build something sustainable.

A year ago few people would have suggested Lambert, Di Matteo or Rodgers as manager.

A year ago people wanted Jol, Coyle or Hughes and they didn't exactly have stellar seasons.I also can't remember too many people wanting Pardew when he went to Newcastle and he hasn't done too bad. In fact all the attention was on how hard done by Hughton was not the coup of getting Pardew.

Sometimes a manger just fits the club and is appointed at the right time. There are very few guaranteed successes short of the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson.

Jol guided Fulham to 8th and Mark Hughes managed to keep a very poor QPR team up despite having an extremely hard run in.  Coyle had a bad season from the oof, but the other two would have been markedly better than the man who got the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:34:35 AM
Quote from: James on May 19, 2012, 12:23:40 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to something new and exciting. Does any one know what style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.

Yes we do! He likes to play pass and move attacking football, has a great record with coaching youngsters, spent enough of his playing career in the PL (underneath arguably the best manager ever) to know what it's about and is a born winner! And he's just won his own league with a club side that had never won it before in 100 years! I'd say that's worth a chance, but like I said above, it's opinion isn't it?
he managed Manure reserves not exactly the most arduous task, he won the Norwegian League with somre decent Financial Backing, i have not seen any of his teams play, know nothing about his ability to manage  at this level and I guess you dont either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
Quote from: Brazilian Villain on May 19, 2012, 12:29:21 AM


Sometimes a manger just fits the club and is appointed at the right time. There are very few guaranteed successes short of the likes of Mourinho or Ferguson.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/252068/Aston-Villa-set-up-Paul-Lambert-talks/

PAUL LAMBERT will hold talks with Aston Villa early next week as the club extend their search for a new manager.

Norwich boss Lambert has been contacted by the Midlands club and is expected to hold talks on Monday over whether to succeed Alex McLeish at Villa Park.

Former Manchester United striker Ole Gunnar Solskjær flew back to Norway last night with his future still under a cloud of uncertainty.

The Molde chief was flown in and out on Randy Lerner’s private jet in a whirlwind 24 hours – but left without being offered the job.

He will now turn his attentions back to the Norwegian club and preparations for tomorrow’s clash with Sandnes Ulf.

That will allow Villa to speak with Lambert and also make another attempt to attract Roberto Martinez from Wigan.

Martinez rejected the chance to move to Villa Park last summer, but Lerner remains a huge admirer of the Spaniard and is keen to speak to him again.

Solskjær said: “I can confirm that I have spoken to Aston Villa. There were no negotiations, but an informal chat. Villa also have other candidates they want to talk to. I wanted to show Villa respect as one of the big clubs of the Premier League.”

A Villa statement last night said: “This process will be focused and consistent with the Board’s objectives, which are to secure a manager who can help to reinvigorate the club and bring some vibrancy back to Villa.

“We are aware that certain individuals have been linked with our managerial vacancy but, out of respect to all potential candidates and any clubs they may currently be employed by, we will not discuss specific individuals by name.”
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:39:21 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?
Not in my opinion, no one on here has any idea of what sort of Manager he is but somehow he is the new messiah, not sure how that works.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?

Sums up exactly how I feel Greg.  Not opposed to OGS in principle and the feeling of the unknown brings a certain sense of excitement, but I too feel that we might not be in the best position to take such a big risk. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Why does my mind want OGS more than Lambert?

2, 3 weeks a go if I was offered Lambert or OGS to manage Villa I would have said Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 19, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Why does my mind want OGS more than Lambert?

2, 3 weeks a go if I was offered Lambert or OGS to manage Villa I would have said Lambert.

I think maybe a few people are in that boat.

I hope if we do end up with Lambert, people don't end up being disappointed. It would still be a very good appointment. In my opinion, better than Solskjaer, but I seem to be in the minority!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 19, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Why does my mind want OGS more than Lambert?

2, 3 weeks a go if I was offered Lambert or OGS to manage Villa I would have said Lambert.

I think maybe a few people are in that boat.

I hope if we do end up with Lambert, people don't end up being disappointed. It would still be a very good appointment. In my opinion, better than Solskjær, but I seem to be in the minority!

I agree with you cd!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Lambert is just too much like O'Neill for comfort for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 01:01:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Lambert is just too much like O'Neill for comfort for me.

aye, but  he can keep a club in the PL with scant resources. I know its the Star but i'd be very surprised if he's not one of 'others' we're gonna speak to.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villanois on May 19, 2012, 01:02:11 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 19, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Why does my mind want OGS more than Lambert?

2, 3 weeks a go if I was offered Lambert or OGS to manage Villa I would have said Lambert.

I think maybe a few people are in that boat.

I hope if we do end up with Lambert, people don't end up being disappointed. It would still be a very good appointment. In my opinion, better than Solskjær, but I seem to be in the minority!

I agree with you cd!!
I agree with Lambert too. Not against having a look at OGS but not sure why there's such a clamour for his appointment. I think Lambert has more in common with Sir Graham than Mon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 01:08:16 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Lambert is just too much like O'Neill for comfort for me.

Heard this a lot Jim, but having watched Norwich this season I can't say that I have seen too many similarities.  Can you expand on why you think he is like O'Neill?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:11:53 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Lambert is just too much like O'Neill for comfort for me.

I think that's unfair. Lambert spent years training to be a coach in Germany. Can you imagine O'Neill doing that? He's probably never heard of Germany. Lambert also shows an ability to get the best out of his players by regularly rotating the team and changing the formation depending on the opposition. He doesn't just play the same team every week and swap one big centre-forward for another one on 70 minutes every week.

I think the (very slight) similarity in appearance and dress is all they have in common as managers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 19, 2012, 01:13:04 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 10:46:53 PM
OGS looks like desperation, Lambert and Rogers are the obvious targets, I think not getting either of those means we drop our ambitions to OGS.

Bollocks. What have either Lambert or Rodgers actually done besides keeping their club in an increasingly poor quality Premier League?
OGS is a gamble yes, but no more of a gamble than either of those you mention whose teams could quite easily suffer from 'one-season wonder syndrome' and drop back where they came from.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Concrete John on May 19, 2012, 01:14:13 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 19, 2012, 12:42:41 AM
Why does my mind want OGS more than Lambert?

2, 3 weeks a go if I was offered Lambert or OGS to manage Villa I would have said Lambert.

I think maybe a few people are in that boat.

I hope if we do end up with Lambert, people don't end up being disappointed. It would still be a very good appointment. In my opinion, better than Solskjær, but I seem to be in the minority!


I said Lambert was my first choice, but I'm now well in the 'disapointed if it's not OGS' camp.

I'm not sure what it is, but if anything it's not that I think he'll do a better job, more that the sheer uncertainty of WHAT type of manager he'd be for us would guarantee excitement for next season.  McLeish excited nobody and Houllier was underwhelming.  MON had an excitement factor at first, but quickly settled down to being predictable, even if we still won a fair bit.  SAF has enjoyed the longevity he has by continually refreshing his squad, therefore adding excitement with star players, which is something we can't do, Bent aside.  OGS would add that spark to us again that has been missing for so long.

I don't know he'd be better than Lambert, but he would be more fun.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:16:02 AM
I think whichever one won more matches would be more fun. I reckon Lambert is more likely to win us matches than BFA.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 01:18:32 AM
Not sure how anyone can class Moyes as a mid-table manager when he has only finished lower than 8th 3 times in 11 seasons.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 19, 2012, 01:26:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?

Yes. Because the alternatives are either not going to come here for the reasons you state above or are frankly meh!
We won't go down, even McLeish couldn't relegate us. We're bullet proof! Let's go [if I must say it] left-field, get a manager that might, just might, be the inspiration we need to start clawing our way back to something approaching glory.
 Or we could go for Lambert and finish 14th forever, better than last year but hardly inspiring.
 To paraphrase another of our esteemed posters, fuck it, let's at least die trying.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 19, 2012, 01:29:47 AM
Well said that man.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 19, 2012, 01:30:04 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 01:18:32 AM
Not sure how anyone can class Moyes as a mid-table manager when he has only finished lower than 8th 3 times in 11 seasons.

8th sounds fairly mid-table to me
I'd take Moyes though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 19, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 01:11:53 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Lambert is just too much like O'Neill for comfort for me.

I think that's unfair. Lambert spent years training to be a coach in Germany. Can you imagine O'Neill doing that? He's probably never heard of Germany. Lambert also shows an ability to get the best out of his players by regularly rotating the team and changing the formation depending on the opposition. He doesn't just play the same team every week and swap one big centre-forward for another one on 70 minutes every week.

I think the (very slight) similarity in appearance and dress is all they have in common as managers.

Hit the n on the h.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:45:50 AM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on May 19, 2012, 01:26:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
If we'd finished mid or lower table, i'd be more happy with the risk. as it is the only reason we stayed up was because the teams below us run out of games. With our poor ability-wise and threadbare team is it really the time to gamble on a totally unproven left-field choice?

Yes. Because the alternatives are either not going to come here for the reasons you state above or are frankly meh!
We won't go down, even McLeish couldn't relegate us. We're bullet proof! Let's go [if I must say it] left-field, get a manager that might, just might, be the inspiration we need to start clawing our way back to something approaching glory.
 Or we could go for Lambert and finish 14th forever, better than last year but hardly inspiring.
 To paraphrase another of our esteemed posters, fuck it, let's at least die trying.

I see no reason whatsoever why Lambert can't be inspiring. He's finished 1st, 2nd and 12th in his last three seasons so I also see no reason for your assumption that he'd finish 14th every year, managing a much bigger club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 07:26:51 AM
If you take some time out to read the Norwich forums, the similarities with MON are too close to the bone. The 12 month rolling contract, the often fairly direct tactics to Holt, the conceding of possession in a game (which if we are looking for a philosophy of football is not what I would want), the high energy pressing, the only coming to see the players on the final 2-3 days of the week, leaving all the coaching to Ian Culverhouse, and apparently a lot of the tactics. He has done a stunningly good job there, but we had 4 years of an aloof Martin, Lambert is just too close for comfort for me. If we get him I will be happy enough and support him but I have my reservations. Solskjaer for me has a better mentor, who has won significantly more important trophies and shown you have to adapt throughout a managerial career, O'Neill.... adapt.... hmmm. I maybe doing him a great disservice, and I am well aware that he learnt efficient football coaching when doing his badges in Germany, but he is not for me. I want my side to get the ball and play a bit. For me the excitement with OLG is that he is fresh, he does have a clear plan on how he wants his side to play and is a "tracksuit" manager so to speak, watching the kids through to the first team, on the training pitch, knowing what subs to make etc. I think he will be a bigger gamble, but have much bigger reward, and not have the spectre of Martin over us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 19, 2012, 08:03:30 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 07:26:51 AM
If you take some time out to read the Norwich forums, the similarities with MON are too close to the bone. The 12 month rolling contract, the often fairly direct tactics to Holt, the conceding of possession in a game (which if we are looking for a philosophy of football is not what I would want), the high energy pressing, the only coming to see the players on the final 2-3 days of the week, leaving all the coaching to Ian Culverhouse, and apparently a lot of the tactics. He has done a stunningly good job there, but we had 4 years of an aloof Martin, Lambert is just too close for comfort for me. If we get him I will be happy enough and support him but I have my reservations. Solskjær for me has a better mentor, who has won significantly more important trophies and shown you have to adapt throughout a managerial career, O'Neill.... adapt.... hmmm. I maybe doing him a great disservice, and I am well aware that he learnt efficient football coaching when doing his badges in Germany, but he is not for me. I want my side to get the ball and play a bit. For me the excitement with OLG is that he is fresh, he does have a clear plan on how he wants his side to play and is a "tracksuit" manager so to speak, watching the kids through to the first team, on the training pitch, knowing what subs to make etc. I think he will be a bigger gamble, but have much bigger reward, and not have the spectre of Martin over us.
This is pretty much how I see it.
I was a bit concerned about OGS when it first came out the other day, but the more I think about it, the more and more I am excited about it.
I think we really do need a new direction and approach.
Lambert has the aura of MON about him. There have been many games this season when his team has just sat back and hit teams on the break. The game at Villa was one of those.
Rodgers ? I seem to recall his team seeing games where they pass the ball around a hell of a lot but not actually go anywhere.
No, its OGS for me.

Lets go for it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2012, 08:10:17 AM
I know there are lots of other factors involved and this doesn't make that much sense, but I can't help feeling Lambert means change but Solkjaer means total change, and things have got so bad at VP, total change is what we need.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 19, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
So Lambert is too much like MON then? I'd be happy to see us return to finishing in the top 6 every year, getting to Wembley and Europe and gubbing the Blues every time they raise their heads.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
I'd be even happier if it didn't mean the return of low scoring, dull as dishwater football at home.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: andyh on May 19, 2012, 08:15:00 AM
I think the biggest differnce between now and what went on last summer, is that the club 'appear' to have learnt from that experience and I seems there is a genuine effort to approach a far, far better calibre of potential manager.

Of course, it remains to be seen, but I think I feel more confident this time round.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 19, 2012, 08:15:45 AM
Isn't it 'ditchwater'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
I'd be even happier if it didn't mean the return of low scoring, dull as dishwater football at home.

Too right!

Interesting, this was in the Daily Mail today... no idea how much truth is in it.

Roberto Martinez remains the bookmakers’ favourite to succeed Dalglish but, after having spoken to Aston Villa on Thursday, he did not have talks with Liverpool on Friday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2146603/Andre-Villas-Boas-talk-Liverpool-managers-job.html#ixzz1vIVWz6er
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 19, 2012, 08:50:19 AM
If the story in the Mail is true I presume we asked permission Funny Whelan didnt broadcast that. The turd
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: WA Villan on May 19, 2012, 08:50:57 AM
I reckon it will be OGS. It will send cold shivers down Randy's spine when he hears Lamberts Scottish twang, and Moyes can do one as well, in fact all Celts need not apply.
Smiley Thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 09:18:47 AM
I'll settle for anyone who will send out his team to;

Keep possession of the ball
Attempt to win matches, particularly at home
Teach defenders how to defend
Puts players in their natural positions
Clear the deadwood out of our club & instills pride into the players
Invest the club's money wisely
Take away the fear of losing that has strangled the whole club
Can change tactics & formations when needed

Most importantly - can lift the spirit of our great club and get me excited about going to Villa Park again.

Who it is, what they have or haven't done in the past doesn't matter, it's what they do & what we do, when they get the job that counts.

Lambert or OGS for me

UTV
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 19, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 01:45:50 AM

I see no reason whatsoever why Lambert can't be inspiring. He's finished 1st, 2nd and 12th in his last three seasons so I also see no reason for your assumption that he'd finish 14th every year, managing a much bigger club.

Just a hunch really. I don't like the way Norwich play and I think they'll be found out next season if Lambert stays there.
Lambert and Rodgers just strike me as 'safe' managers. They have done well keeping small clubs in The Prem, they will do okay at Villa as well.
 There are dozens of managers who could just keep us in this division, I reckon my cat could give it a decent shot, why not go for something just a bit different?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 19, 2012, 11:30:23 AM
More or less sums up how I feel about it, CN'DC.

I've no doubt we can find a manager who'll do a steady enough job for us, but the idea of taking a different approach for once is really exciting. It's true that it's a risk, of course, but that's how you win the big prizes.

Plus, I reckon we've had a fair share of predictable or uninspiring years at Villa, on and off the pitch, and I think that's why this (the OGS move) feels like such a breath of fresh air to so many people. I think most people can see it's a bold move, and that it carries a lot of risk, but I also think that many people welcome that, and are fair-minded enough to give it time to bear fruit.

It could signal the kind of 'culture change' that I think we need. If he is successful, then great! He gets a well-deserved move to Man Utd or wherever, while we have an established team and a reputation as a club where promising young managers are given support and time to prove themselves at a very high level - which means that we will be an attractive proposition to the next generation, too.

I think OGS is a good choice to at least consider, and to me he is by far the most exciting option, not least because of that sense of adventure and the unknown (and God knows, we haven't seen too much of that at Villa Park for a while), coupled with the idea that he seems to play good football, develop young players and has the background of working with what appear to be very good coaches.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Damo70 on May 19, 2012, 11:45:58 AM
If OGS was just one of a number of people we are planning to interview my worry is how many people will want to risk bad feeling at their current clubs (which seems to have already happened with OGS) just for an interview. I would imagine there must be more than one person out there who would love the job if actually offered it but wouldn't want to burn his bridges just for an interview and a chance of the job. You could cite Brendan Rodgers and Liverpool as a probable example. I don't remember Doug asking Taylor, Atkinson or Little to come for an interview.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Steve kirk on May 19, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: James on May 18, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 18, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 18, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Did Lambert & Rodgers have CV's 12 months ago that suggested they were ready to manage in the PL?
No but they had pretty decent track record in managing in a league that is way ahead of the Norwegian league.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate, what about the oft-touted David Moyes? Most would say he's a great manager, done wonders at Everton on a budget etc etc. There is also the counter viewpoint that he's the archetypal master of mid-table mediocrity that lacks the ambition to move on and win things elsewhere so sits in his comfort zone doubtless pocketing a seven figure salary annually. He'd be safer pair of hands than McLeech was supposed to have been for sure and would be uber-expensive too, but would he inspire me? No, frankly. He'd be the 'happy just to be in the league' appointment that McLeech was supposed to have been. What have Everton ever done under him? OGS, or someone of his ilk, would be a bold 'sod it let's at least give it a go' appointment with maybe the longer term approach in mind. As Dave said above, it could be a huge disaster, but at least we'd be trying something new and haven't we all wanted the board to do just that? It'd be nice if wrote some more winning stuff on his CV with us wouldn't it?
I get where you are comming from, it looks like a pretty big gamble to me, going from his home town Club in Norway to managing Aston Villa looks like a huge leap of faith. I think after Mcliesh a lot of us are desperate to see something new and exciting. Does any one know what the style of football will be, what his vision is? No we dont, we are just hoping it will be better than the last bloke. I am not convinced that should be the only criteria.
I agree with Hawkeye, after last seasons disaster the OGS link feels exciting and fresh and he may just be what we are looking for but its one hell of a risk, if it is OGS I will back him all the way but surely other young candidates like Gus Poyet and Eddie Howe deserve consideration as well as just like OGS they match the boards criteria of being young up and coming vibrant managers.         
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2012, 12:17:21 PM
Just talking to a Norwegian lad on Facebook (Tarj, who used to post on here).  He rates OGS very highly indeed.  Apparently, he looked highly pissed off at his press conference, refused to answer a couple of questions and pretty well made it clear that he fancies the Villa job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ad@m on May 19, 2012, 12:38:08 PM
I think we should just go for it with OGS.  His wage demands will be pretty low given his lack of managerial experience and the fact he's coming from the Norwegian league where I'd imagine wages are significantly lower.

Yes it's a gamble of sorts but can he possibly do any worse than last season?  It's a clear change of direction which is exactly what we need and he might actually bring some players in from overseas.

Good managers have to start somewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 19, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
It's nice to see that Randy is prepared to go out and get someone who is contracted elsewhere rather than pick up the shit that walks out on clubs like Small Heath by email.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Ad@m on May 19, 2012, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 19, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
It's nice to see that Randy is prepared to go out and get someone who is contracted elsewhere rather than pick up the shit that walks out on clubs like Small Heath by email.

It'll be a cheap contract to buy out though.  It'll cost a hell of a lot less than both McLeish and Houllier cost.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
Any update on the OGS situation? I've been busy for the last day or so and have completely lost track. Does it look like it's happening?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 19, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
Does it look like it's happening?

No.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 19, 2012, 01:16:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 12:55:11 PM
Any update on the OGS situation? I've been busy for the last day or so and have completely lost track. Does it look like it's happening?

It looks like it's off according to various sources on Twitter.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2012, 01:20:39 PM
well Lambert is 6/4 fave and Ole 10/1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
:(

Lambert is still my first choice, but it is a shame being as I was getting so worked up about him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:26:33 PM
While I wasn't overly-thrilled abot the prospact of getting Solskjær, the fact that we seem not to have is a worry. He has said he wants to manage in England before. He's not going to get the Man U job or any job of that ilk at this stage. Villa would be an ideal step up, IF there's money to spend. If he's rejected the job it suggest there is none to spend. In which case I am worried we won't be able to attract Lambert (still my first choice) or any decent candidate either.

Obviously, write the above off as bollocks if it turns out we've rejected him, rather than the other way round.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 19, 2012, 01:35:56 PM
Our new manager will be announced after todays final.

The Play off final.

Ho fucking hum.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2012, 01:20:39 PM
well Lambert is 6/4 fave and Ole 10/1

Ole back to 4/1       oh its going to be fun the next two days


The different between Lambert and Ole , expect the deadwood maybe given another chance with Lambert but I would imagine Ole would get rid of most of them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 19, 2012, 01:26:33 PM
While I wasn't overly-thrilled abot the prospact of getting Solskjær, the fact that we seem not to have is a worry. He has said he wants to manage in England before. He's not going to get the Man U job or any job of that ilk at this stage. Villa would be an ideal step up, IF there's money to spend. If he's rejected the job it suggest there is none to spend. In which case I am worried we won't be able to attract Lambert (still my first choice) or any decent candidate either.

Obviously, write the above off as bollocks if it turns out we've rejected him, rather than the other way round.

That is a concern to me as well cd.  You would have thought a manager in Solksjaer's position would have snatched their hand off if he had been offered the job.  If he has rejected the opportunity, then you do have to wonder what the stipulations of the job are.  I would think young managers are less likely to take a risk on a job with little going for it, as their future prospects would suffer a lot more as a result of failure.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 19, 2012, 01:52:56 PM

That is a concern to me as well cd.  You would have thought a manager in Solksjaer's position would have snatched their hand off if he had been offered the job.  If he has rejected the opportunity, then you do have to wonder what the stipulations of the job are.  I would think young managers are less likely to take a risk on a job with little going for it, as their future prospects would suffer a lot more as a result of failure.

There are many reasons why he wouldn't take the job, and not all of them are footballing/Villa ones. Family life, not wanting to upset Molde, his wife might not want to live in Sutton. We don't have to enter the realms of 'woe is me' just yet. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 02:00:29 PM
Fair point. But if he has said before "he wants to manage in England" then it suggests that the reason is football-related. Could be a myriad of things but if he was willing to talk to us and, having talked to us, has turned it down, the situation at Villa seems the most likely reason.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
He hasn't turned it down yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
He hasn't turned it down yet.

Well let's hope he doesn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2012, 02:06:48 PM
He's got to be offered it first.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
He hasn't turned it down yet.

The big decision for him will be after we have talked to other possible candidates if we go and make him a formal offer. Either way for me it reveals a clear indication of what the board is thinking in terms of candidates. Hopefully it keeps the bed wetters a little calmer that we are not going to after the likes of Bruce, McCarthy, Curbishley etc. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
If we're going to interview Lambert on Monday, it might be difficult to make a good job of it. When you're conducting a selection process and the first candidate blows you away, you still feel obliged to see the others but you know what you want to do. There's no way for us to know how talks went yesterday but it's obvious who the fans want.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2012, 02:57:20 PM
There's no way for us to know how talks went yesterday but it's obvious who the fans want.

Is it obvious??

This time last week I'd have been happy with David O'Leary. A section of the supporters have said they'd be happy with OGS. Lambert would do a good job & if Martinez was the preferred choice last year, why wouldn't he be considered this time?

The club have said this is a process, where there will be a number of interviews after which they will make their move. The only reason OGS is in the press is because Lerners jet was a giveaway to what was going on.  Whilst OGS is considered a brave move, let's not get too carried away.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 03:17:44 PM
It's going to be Ole.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
All this speculation seems quite ill informed. I'll wait and see what happens.

We do always seem to make a bit of a meal of it though don't we!

I'm cooling on Lambert a little bit, I hadn't really been aware he was perceived to be such a MON clone.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 19, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:19:17 PM

I'm cooling on Lambert a little bit, I hadn't really been aware he was perceived to be such a MON clone.

Most of that is down to his Celtic connections and the fact that he's MON's doppleganger. Lambert showed last enough last season that he's not as predictable and rigid like MONs teams are.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 19, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:19:17 PM

I'm cooling on Lambert a little bit, I hadn't really been aware he was perceived to be such a MON clone.

Most of that is down to his Celtic connections and the fact that he's MON's doppleganger. Lambert showed last enough last season that he's not as predictable and rigid like MONs teams are.

Not as predictable but often as rigid. He switches system to defensive effect in a way MON couldn't imagine, but his attacking template is exactly the same as MON's, and has been through his (albeit short) career so far: have a big man, knock it long for him to fight for, get it wide, cross it in. Or score from a set piece. I don't think he's a bad manager at all, far from it, just that I'm yet to be convinced he's the right man for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
The stats suggest still pretty direct though - crosses into the big man etc? Perhaps that's unfair. I am lking the sound of Solskaer's passing style, 433 tactics and attacking ethos.

I don't really know why I'm quite so positive about OGS, but I really get the feeling he's going to be a very good coach

He'll probably be awful now (unless we don't get him and he goes on to win the Champions League with Molde)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2012, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
The stats suggest still pretty direct though - crosses into the big man etc? Perhaps that's unfair. I am lking the sound of Solskaer's passing style, 433 tactics and attacking ethos.

I don't really know why I'm quite so positive about OGS, but I really get the feeling he's going to be a very good coach

He'll probably be awful now (unless we don't get him and he goes on to win the Champions League with Molde)

like all of us you are desperate for hero after the last 2 years  :-\
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: villa for life on May 19, 2012, 03:59:50 PM
anyone who wants the job should just come out and have the balls to say it. They have to want the job more than they want to keep their present employers happy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager?
Post by: Summers on May 19, 2012, 04:18:54 PM
Could we get this poll reset with added OGS? I'm interested in how he'd fair against Lambert and the other options.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 19, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
I will ask Geezer Butler tonight after the Sabbath gig he will know whos getting the job  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Having several interviewees is a daft way of doing it IMO. 'Hello, Aston Villa here. How do you fancy fucking up your relationship with your board, players and fans for a one in four chance of getting the job'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 19, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 19, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 19, 2012, 03:19:17 PM

I'm cooling on Lambert a little bit, I hadn't really been aware he was perceived to be such a MON clone.

Most of that is down to his Celtic connections and the fact that he's MON's doppleganger. Lambert showed last enough last season that he's not as predictable and rigid like MONs teams are.

Not as predictable but often as rigid. He switches system to defensive effect in a way MON couldn't imagine, but his attacking template is exactly the same as MON's, and has been through his (albeit short) career so far: have a big man, knock it long for him to fight for, get it wide, cross it in. Or score from a set piece. I don't think he's a bad manager at all, far from it, just that I'm yet to be convinced he's the right man for us.


I am convinced he is not now. I want us to move away from that style of football, as it will only ever get you so far. Martinez despite the results not being great early season is preferable to me. Rodgers clearly wants to stay at Swansea, and fair enough. Ole obviously will take the job if Randy offers Molde a decent package, and I like what I have seen from him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: citizenDJ on May 19, 2012, 04:59:08 PM
From that list for the new vote, my order of preference is: Solskjær (by some way), Rodgers, Martinez, Lambert, Di Matteo.

I still think we might see another unexpected candidate though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: berneboy on May 19, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
How about Holloway? Blackpool play good football and he would certainly be interesting!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
Having several interviewees is a daft way of doing it IMO. 'Hello, Aston Villa here. How do you fancy fucking up your relationship with your board, players and fans for a one in four chance of getting the job'?

Absolutely agree.

It's different in the USA. It is very rare for a Head Coach to go from one NFL team to another. Most interviewees are either out of work, working in the college game or Offensive/Defensive Co-Ordinators (their equivalent of an Assistant Manager). So they attend the interview with the blessing of their current team's owners who won't stand in their way.

It's completely different over here where if a coach attends an interview he'll immediately be branded "Judas".

The thing to do is identify a manager. Talk to him or his agent behind his club's back. Only make an official approach when you know he's desperate to come. Not nice, but it's what everyone does.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 05:03:09 PM
I've got my heart set on Solskjaer being our manager now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 19, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 19, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
How about Holloway? Blackpool play good football and he would certainly be interesting!

That odious cretin can stay away from our club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 19, 2012, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 19, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
How about Holloway? Blackpool play good football and he would certainly be interesting!
Someone agrees with you:
From Twitter -

Vital Villa‏@VitalVilla

Holloway now will be linked to villa. If Chelsea lose, so will di Matteo,
 
Because Villa would naturally be interested in attracting losing managers, following last season?   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DB on May 19, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 19, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
I will ask Geezer Butler tonight after the Sabbath gig he will know whos getting the job  ;)

If that don't work, then I'll have a go at him at Download....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
Capello has just been shown talking to John Terry so it looks like RDM will be available. Why Terry was warming up when he's banned I have no idea. 
Title: Darren Bent: Confirmed as player manager
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/DB.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 19, 2012, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 19, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
Capello has just been shown talking to John Terry so it looks like RDM will be available. Why Terry was warming up when he's banned I have no idea. 
Because he's a ******.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2012, 06:39:51 PM
If Capello gets the Chelsea job, he might just keep Di Matteo on as number two? Being Italian and all, perhaps groom Di Matteo for the longer term.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2012, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/DB.jpg)

Ha! Duly nicked.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 19, 2012, 06:47:46 PM
Still Solskjaer for me
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 19, 2012, 06:47:46 PM
Still Solskjær for me

Same here I have my heart set on it, something just feels right about it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 19, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
Agent_ITK ‏@Agent_ITK
#Villa will start talks with Lambert and his advisors tomorrow, (Sunday). #AVFC #Football #Norwich
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2012, 07:28:44 PM
I think I might start an account: Agent_KFA.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 07:30:00 PM
I want Solskjaer rather than Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 19, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
Most of what all these ITK's spout is bullshit, but he's called a few things right recently. So I figured it was worth passing on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2012, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 19, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
How about Holloway? Blackpool play good football and he would certainly be interesting!

He rubbished our club last year. Sod him. He can rot in the Championship.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2012, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2012, 07:37:35 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 19, 2012, 05:01:49 PM
How about Holloway? Blackpool play good football and he would certainly be interesting!

He rubbished our club last year. Sod him. He can rot in the Championship.

Yep.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2012, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 19, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
Agent_ITK ‏@Agent_ITK
#Villa will start talks with Lambert and his advisors tomorrow, (Sunday). #AVFC #Football #Norwich

I thought Randy had flown back to the States?  Must be coming back tomorrow, unless this is more ITK rubbish.  (not aimed at you Summers!!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 19, 2012, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 19, 2012, 07:30:00 PM
I want Solskjær rather than Lambert.

happy with either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 19, 2012, 09:15:22 PM
Di matteo? No thanks, boring bastards
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2012, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 19, 2012, 09:15:22 PM
Di matteo? No thanks, boring bastards

Agreed, this is fucking awful.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
Di Matteo should not be touched with a barge pole. Negative to the extreme as soon as he thinks it will be a tough game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 19, 2012, 09:29:44 PM
I'm glad they losing
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2012, 09:54:11 PM
Chelsea play a similar formation to the McLeish model.  No wingers, pack the midfield.  Boring, although they have better players than Villa to do it.  Doesn't make me want Di Matteo at all. Not the right man for Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 19, 2012, 07:28:44 PM
I think I might start an account: Agent_KFA.

Too similar to Richard Dunne's. Agent_KFC
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/BlogsEntry/0,,10265~2775512,00.html

From the Villa website.  Sorry if it's already been posted.  I think it's realy good!!  Why wouldn't they want to manage Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 19, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 19, 2012, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 19, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
Agent_ITK ‏@Agent_ITK
#Villa will start talks with Lambert and his advisors tomorrow, (Sunday). #AVFC #Football #Norwich

I thought Randy had flown back to the States?  Must be coming back tomorrow, unless this is more ITK rubbish.  (not aimed at you Summers!!)

he posted a second time saying talks would begin with Faulkner. So I assume Randy will be back in the week to follow up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2012, 10:39:01 PM
RDM can fuck right off with those tactics.

Unless of course he wins us a trophy doing it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 19, 2012, 10:54:36 PM
RDM will probably keep the job now anyway. 

They've fluked the Semi and Final though - clearly the better teams lost on both occasions.

He's not at all what we'd want.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2012, 11:02:41 PM
Don't rule anybody out. It seems Randy is making yet another pig's ear of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mac on May 19, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 11:02:41 PM
Don't rule anybody out. It seems Randy is making yet another pig's ear of it.

I don't get this at all Percy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2012, 11:40:02 PM
As I posted in the OGS thread, I don't think we should be asking several managers to risk damaging their relationships with their current employers, fans and players for a chance at the Villa job.

Hopefully we're not doing so and the stories of interviews with others are bullshit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 19, 2012, 11:41:28 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 11:02:41 PM
Don't rule anybody out. It seems Randy is making yet another pig's ear of it.

Bit harsh to make that judgment at this stage.  If things are still up in the air come Wednesday then yes you could be right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 19, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
See post above yours N3B.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2012, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: Mac on May 19, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 11:02:41 PM
Don't rule anybody out. It seems Randy is making yet another pig's ear of it.

I don't get this at all Percy.

Neither do I. I think Randy has played this brilliantly and appears to have got the man he wants with the minimum of fuss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 20, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
I don't care who gets upset as long as we get the right man for Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2012, 12:11:41 AM
How very Man Utd of you Olney.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 20, 2012, 12:14:45 AM
I just think having one target would be very shortsighted of us. We are in a mess at the moment, once that is sorted, I'm all for us being nice again.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2012, 12:14:56 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 11:40:02 PM
As I posted in the OGS thread, I don't think we should be asking several managers to risk damaging their relationships with their current employers, fans and players for a chance at the Villa job.

Hopefully we're not doing so and the stories of interviews with others are bullshit.

I understand what you mean. Isn't that effectively what Rodgers got the hump about with Liverpool? In fact, isn't that exactly what Liverpool have got wrong - their announced intention of interviewing 12 people?

The difference with us is that the only firm thing we know is the Solskjaer thing. we have no idea what they're looking at in terms of other managers, or if they intend to interview anyone else. It is all speculation.

I'm quite prepared to call the board useless tossers when they've been useless (and they have quite frequently of late), but I'm not going to lay into them on the basis of something which is just a load of speculation.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2012, 12:30:10 AM
Yes, I was having a giggle at Racist FC's idiotic methods myself. Then we stated we're doing the same.

If we're not, I'm quite happy to go along with your last two paragraphs.
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2012, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 19, 2012, 11:40:02 PM
As I posted in the OGS thread, I don't think we should be asking several managers to risk damaging their relationships with their current employers, fans and players for a chance at the Villa job.

Hopefully we're not doing so and the stories of interviews with others are bullshit.

I liked the other Percy who was going to stick it to every one else.

I've been rancidly pissed off all week up on Merseyside, listening to the likes of turtle-face Whelan from piss-pot Wigan having the fucking bare-faced cheek to mention my club in the same sentence as those filty bastards from Smethwick, whilst rimming fellow ex-giant "Liverpool Football Club", and he's not alone.

If we're going to get back to the top, we've got to start fucking everyone, no exceptions.
 
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2012, 12:59:11 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with how we've gone about this. I'm tired of us being a doormat to other teams quite frankly and it's about time we started looking after ourselves. We need to start being more the predators if we are going to make forward steps as opposed to playing the victim all the time. We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves, make this appointment and start building a side that is going to challenge for things in a regular basis.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2012, 07:28:32 AM
I agree with all that apart from the first sentence. I just think we shouldn't be fucking about with other candidates.
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 20, 2012, 07:56:08 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 20, 2012, 07:28:32 AM
I agree with all that apart from the first sentence. I just think we shouldn't be fucking about with other candidates.
Well said.Go get him Randy now!
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Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2012, 08:07:29 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 20, 2012, 07:28:32 AM
I agree with all that apart from the first sentence. I just think we shouldn't be fucking about with other candidates.

I agree, and think it is a risky strategy as it could alienate the one you really want.
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Post by: brian green on May 20, 2012, 08:25:00 AM
Nobody has been a bigger critic of past board cock ups than I have but in this instance I think they are doing it exactly right.   In every aspect of life and business there always has to be a plan B and only fools never have one.

I think they know who their preference is but it takes two to tango.   If we let it be known that it's candidate X or nobody when candidate X's wife says her friends have told her Birmingham is an awful place full of dirt and gangsters and candidate X says sorry but I do not want the job we are left with same farcical scenario we had trying to replace O'Neill at short notice.

I think the big, big factor in all this is that Randy has agreed to place a very large sum of money on the table to get the right man.   Every man has his price and that will blow out the need to trawl the bottom for a McCarthy or a Curbishley.

There is more than one manager out there who can fix the Villa shortcomings because the problems are deep but clearly defined.   We need to start to play attractive passing football.   We need to heal the rift between the club and the fans caused by previous botched managerial appointments.   We need to ship out players who cause trouble and who do not work hard enough.   We need adequate funds to bring in good proven players and by that I mean the opposite of Alan Hutton.   We need to maximise the talent of the younger home grown players including helping Albrighton and Bannan find their way again.

We know what is wrong and how it went wrong.   With proper board support any one of three or four names discussed on this thread could make substantial improvements.   The hard thing is to find the one who will do it best.

I for one will be satisfied if we get a man more loyal than O'Neill, healthier than Houllier and more competent than McLeish. 
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Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2012, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 20, 2012, 08:25:00 AM
Nobody has been a bigger critic of past board cock ups than I have but in this instance I think they are doing it exactly right.   In every aspect of life and business there always has to be a plan B and only fools never have one.

I think they know who their preference is but it takes two to tango.   If we let it be known that it's candidate X or nobody when candidate X's wife says her friends have told her Birmingham is an awful place full of dirt and gangsters and candidate X says sorry but I do not want the job we are left with same farcical scenario we had trying to replace O'Neill at short notice.

I think the big, big factor in all this is that Randy has agreed to place a very large sum of money on the table to get the right man.   Every man has his price and that will blow out the need to trawl the bottom for a McCarthy or a Curbishley.

There is more than one manager out there who can fix the Villa shortcomings because the problems are deep but clearly defined.   We need to start to play attractive passing football.   We need to heal the rift between the club and the fans caused by previous botched managerial appointments.   We need to ship out players who cause trouble and who do not work hard enough.   We need adequate funds to bring in good proven players and by that I mean the opposite of Alan Hutton.   We need to maximise the talent of the younger home grown players including helping Albrighton and Bannan find their way again.

We know what is wrong and how it went wrong.   With proper board support any one of three or four names discussed on this thread could make substantial improvements.   The hard thing is to find the one who will do it best.

I for one will be satisfied if we get a man more loyal than O'Neill, healthier than Houllier and more competent than McLeish. 

I think I meet the criteria set out there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2012, 08:37:56 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 20, 2012, 07:28:32 AM
I agree with all that apart from the first sentence. I just think we shouldn't be fucking about with other candidates.
What happens if this news about the obscene  amount of compensation demand are true? There are also other factors that could make this go off track so we do need to interview other candidates.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 20, 2012, 08:39:15 AM
Solskjaer sounds like a great appointment to me - young, principled in the right way, likes his team to play good football, a winning mentality and a bit of 'stardust'. What's more it sounds like he wants the job, which is always a prerequisite so far as I'm concerned.

Yes it may be a risk - he has limited experience certainly at a high level, but everything he has done so far has resulted in success. If he was appointed and it didn't work out, I certainly wouldn't blame Lerner. It's an exciting, fresh prospect.

If you can't get excited about the idea then what's the point in following Villa and football in general?

Go get him Lerner!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Yossarian on May 20, 2012, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 20, 2012, 08:39:15 AM

If you can't get excited about the idea then what's the point in following Villa and football in general?


You only get excited by new manager appointments? Blimey, 99% of the time you must be very bored.
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Post by: john e on May 20, 2012, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on May 20, 2012, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 20, 2012, 08:39:15 AM

If you can't get excited about the idea then what's the point in following Villa and football in general?


You only get excited by new manager appointments? Blimey, 99% of the time you must be very bored.


yeah, because thats what he actually said right !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 20, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
looking at the poll above I can't quite believe nearly 75% want a manager with no PL experience(as a manager)

as opposed to 5% that want for e.g, B.R. who has just proven himself a very good PL manager(albeit for only 1 season)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 20, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: BILL DE VALL on May 20, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
looking at the poll above I can't quite believe nearly 75% want a manager with no PL experience(as a manager)

as opposed to 5% that want for e.g, B.R. who has just proven himself a very good PL manager(albeit for only 1 season)

The criterion of 'Premier League experience' was imposed by the board the past two summers and was an unmitigated disaster. There's no logic to it as a selection imperative.
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Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 20, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: BILL DE VALL on May 20, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
looking at the poll above I can't quite believe nearly 75% want a manager with no PL experience(as a manager)

as opposed to 5% that want for e.g, B.R. who has just proven himself a very good PL manager(albeit for only 1 season)

The criterion of 'Premier League experience' was imposed by the board the past two summers and was an unmitigated disaster. There's no logic to it as a selection imperative.
Do you count running the ManUre reserves as EPL experience? - not directly, I agree, but there is a prety close correlation in terms of players, playing-style and overall approach.

I'm stretching the point to say that OGS could fit even the criterion that we found restrictive during the last selection process.
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Post by: nodge on May 20, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
I've heard Dean Saunders is "throwing his hat in the ring".
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2012, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: nodge on May 20, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
I've heard Dean Saunders is "throwing his hat in the ring".
]

Well he can throw it back out.
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Post by: caster troy on May 20, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
Lambert would just be a repeat of O'Neill, not entirely a bad thing but you could argue we tried success that way and it didn't work out. Martinez has a worse record at Wigan than Steve Bruce. Di Matteo's time at WBA puts me off, he just lost interest there and could do the same to us. Rodgers is a difficult one to call but it seems he wants to stay at Swansea for now.

Solskjaer seems like a good fit for us because of our academy and reputation for wanting to play attacking football. We've never had a manager with an eye for picking up bargains in Europe and he could be the one to try and bring us success that way. He'd also bring a 'feel good factor' which is important after the year we've had. There are no guarantees of success whoever we appoint but at least he seems like the right type of manager for us right now, even if he lacks a lengthy managerial CV.
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Post by: eastie on May 20, 2012, 02:26:35 PM
Just back from work- any more news? Have we been linked with anyone today?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 20, 2012, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: BILL DE VALL on May 20, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
looking at the poll above I can't quite believe nearly 75% want a manager with no PL experience(as a manager)

as opposed to 5% that want for e.g, B.R. who has just proven himself a very good PL manager(albeit for only 1 season)

None of Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho or Roberto Mancini had any PL experience before taking on their multiple title winning jobs. Would you have turned them down on the same principle? Obviously OGS hasn't got the same pedigree yet but then that wasn't your point.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 20, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
I would be interested in Di Matteo if he becomes available sooner rather than later. He did a decent job at MK Dons and I thought he was unlucky to lose his job at Albion. He has just won the FA cup and Champions League and I would have thought we would be the last set of supporters in the world to knock a manager for digging in to get a win in the final against Bayern.
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Post by: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 20, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

According to him we are just a small club that used to be famous so he can do one !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 20, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

From....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2012, 06:53:44 PM
Quote from: MadJohnnyC on May 20, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

According to him we are just a small club that used to be famous so he can do one !

Half-arsed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2012, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

Lets get rid of the list and appoint Solskjaer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 20, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

From....
Sports Journalist
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 06:59:44 PM
@JamesNursey: #AVFC still considering a few options to replace AM. OGS remains a good candidate but others. Villa pleased with level of interest

Just re read that,doesn't really make sense
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Post by: Damo70 on May 20, 2012, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

Perfect. Just what we need, a manager that speaks more highly of Small Heath than he does of us. He should forget about half arsed clubs that used to be famous and wait for a bigger club than us. Good luck with that one Ian.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
@JamesNursey: #AVFC sources seem v happy with how search going but I'm not expecting any announcements till mid to end of week at earliest.
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Post by: frank on May 20, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
Quote from: caster troy on May 20, 2012, 02:24:36 PM
We've never had a manager with an eye for picking up bargains in Europe
Dr Jo signed Ivo Stas for £750,000
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 20, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 20, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

From....
Sports Journalist

Jumped ship or pushed off it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2012, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
@JamesNursey: #AVFC sources seem v happy with how search going but I'm not expecting any announcements till mid to end of week at earliest.

Can't wait that bloody long
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2012, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 20, 2012, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 20, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Just heard that Holloway is on the list

Perfect. Just what we need, a manager that speaks more highly of Small Heath than he does of us. He should forget about half arsed clubs that used to be famous and wait for a bigger club than us. Good luck with that one Ian.

This!

Fuck off carrot cruncher
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 20, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
If I were Randy, I would invite Holloway for an interview.

But I would conduct it at Cherwell Valley services on the M40, through the window of my car, with the engine running.
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Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 20, 2012, 06:59:44 PM
@JamesNursey: #AVFC still considering a few options to replace AM. OGS remains a good candidate but others. Villa pleased with level of interest

Journalism at it's very best. I don't know how he does it.


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Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:47:13 PM
http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html
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Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Poor old Liverpool.  Nobody wants to manage them.  They all want to manage the Villa instead!!

http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html (http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html)

Has the world gone sane??!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:47:13 PM
http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html

Well that shows you what happens when you ignore that stupid "somebody posted while you were typing this message" thing...
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Post by: Legion on May 20, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
You can remove that annoying feature via your profile settings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:52:22 PM
I really believe we are the perfect club for any up and coming young  manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
I really believe we are the perfect club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 20, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
I really believe we are the perfect club.
Well that goes without saying
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Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2012, 07:56:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 20, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
You can remove that annoying feature via your profile settings.

Sorted!  Cheers!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 20, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Poor old Liverpool.  Nobody wants to manage them.  They all want to manage the Villa instead!!

http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html (http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html)

Has the world gone sane??!!

Just wild speculation in that article, but I think some managers would view Villa as a club where they could go in and have the opportunity to rebuild the club exactly the way they wanted.  It is not often a manager gets the chance to take over at a big club and shape it exactly how they want.  They won't get that chance at Liverpool and I think some managers will be clever enough to see that now would be the ideal time to take over at Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2012, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 20, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 20, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Poor old Liverpool.  Nobody wants to manage them.  They all want to manage the Villa instead!!

http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html (http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/wigan-athletic-fc/1212452-wigan-athletic-boss-martinez-prefers-aston-villa-to-liverpool.html)

Has the world gone sane??!!

Just wild speculation in that article, but I think some managers would view Villa as a club where they could go in and have the opportunity to rebuild the club exactly the way they wanted.  It is not often a manager gets the chance to take over at a big club and shape it exactly how they want.  They won't get that chance at Liverpool and I think some managers will be clever enough to see that now would be the ideal time to take over at Villa.

I also think they way Liverpool treated Roy is still fresh in the memory.  Anyone with half a brain can see that McLeish ruined his chance at Villa and needed to be sacked.  It was done with dignity and bot sides have been nothing but open and honest about it.  McLeish didn't get a slating from the club etc.  Therefore, Villa is prime for a good crack, whereas Liverpool are that "half arsed club who used to be famous." 

Also,  as part of a process, if Holloway is actually on the list, the club would be doing the right thing in talking to him.  I actually think he'd be fun!  Press conferences would have players hanging off his every word.  He would also get his team playing decent football.  Martinez is still my preferred option, although I'd be happy with Lambert, OGS too. 
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Post by: James on May 20, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
Martinez should NOT be on the list (a minute's applause for surviving relegation yet again? How smalltime do we want to get?), and neither should Holloway, though i agree with the poster who said we should invite the latter for interview, then when he arrives at VP tell him, "You're just a half-arsed twat that was never famous what are you doing here?"
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Post by: Legion on May 20, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
Very good.
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Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2012, 08:36:33 PM
I subscribe to the view that Villa is a great club to take over as manager right now. All the conditions would favour a good up-and-coming manager.
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 20, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Holloway can go fuck himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 20, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 20, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Holloway can go fuck himself.
Beautifully expressed.
He's a jumped up little twat.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 20, 2012, 09:05:38 PM
Holloway?  No ta.

I've already got a three-letter acronym for him though, a la OGS, FSW or AVB.  It's CCC (Carrot Crunching C***).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 20, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
If we're goiung for the young up and comer it's between OGS and Lambert for me.

Martinez and Holloway can do one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2012, 11:09:06 PM
RDM, the way he was whistling walking down from the plane today?  Anyone see it?  Arrogant, "i've done a fantastic job here and I'm Gods gift to football" type attitude. No way is he getting the Chelsea job.  I hope that Randy isn't fooled into thinking he's any good.  The Chelsea players have been telling him what to do.  He's aloof and a bit of a twat according to West Brom mates.  I don't want him, not what Villa require and yet his CV looks amazing now doesn't it?  Just shows you how easy it is to look good when in actual fact you're useless.  No wonder McLeish got the gig last year.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 20, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
http://t.co/vD8WQLzY

I hope not
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 20, 2012, 11:23:10 PM
I agree Zoggy.  That said, it's not a newspaper, it's a rag.  I wouldn't wipe my windows with it.  They were reporting that OGS had turned us down this morning.  Obviously hadn't caught up with the truth.  Shite paper.
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Post by: Michel Sibble on May 20, 2012, 11:24:01 PM
Holloway should be made to sing SOTC with his application. On TV. Over and over again.

The tw*t.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 20, 2012, 11:31:15 PM
Yes I've read that crap and several other sources like it.  Happily, I still think we could get OGS.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2012, 11:35:53 PM
Di Mattei is a 42 year old McLeish with more luck. I can think of a lot of people I would put before him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 20, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
If we're goiung for the young up and comer it's between OGS and Lambert for me.

Martinez and Holloway can do one.

My vote would be for Martinez from those four.  OGS would be OK though.  Holloway can do one.  Lambert?  A bit meh to be honest, but he could win me over.

Rogers still No. 1 choice for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 21, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 21, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 20, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
If we're goiung for the young up and comer it's between OGS and Lambert for me.

Martinez and Holloway can do one.

My vote would be for Martinez from those four.  OGS would be OK though.  Holloway can do one.  Lambert?  A bit meh to be honest, but he could win me over.

Rogers still No. 1 choice for me.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: D.boy on May 21, 2012, 12:11:38 AM
Rogers is not leaving Swansea so forget that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 21, 2012, 12:14:12 AM
Quote from: D(babyfacedassassin).boy on May 21, 2012, 12:11:38 AM
Rogers is not leaving Swansea so forget that.
No. The taxis are fucking useless this time on a Sunday night.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 12:42:38 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd probably go with that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.

Yeah, me too. Thought Risso hated Arty Ziff (MON). Lambert has shown he's every bit like him thus far.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: æmonn on May 21, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.

Yeah, me too. Thought Risso hated Arty Ziff (MON). Lambert has shown he's every bit like him thus far.

I agree, though in fairness Risso may think he's less like the Woody Allen look-a-like than we do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: æmonn on May 21, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.

Yeah, me too. Thought Risso hated Arty Ziff (MON). Lambert has shown he's every bit like him thus far.


In what way?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2012, 01:27:17 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: æmonn on May 21, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.

Yeah, me too. Thought Risso hated Arty Ziff (MON). Lambert has shown he's every bit like him thus far.


In what way?

I have said it before, but take the time to read the Norwich forums.


Buys predominantly British, only comes into training towards the back end of the week, leaves training and tactical training during the week to his coaches, is very aloof with the press, is fairly direct and counter attacking style, happy to concede possession and try and hit direct, hence Norwich had the 4th worst pass completion up to March when I last saw the stats, and often had less of the ball. We have seen that style and it runs out of steam, because it gets worked out. I want something different. The thought of Grant Holt for a lot of money coming in has me in cold sweats. The direction has to change, style, players we target, how we use the ball. We need an end game, and I am not sure Lambert provides it. He certainly can motivate, but getting out of League 1 and the Championship is good, but to do it playing the way Swansea have is much more impressive for me. Also, Norwich finished with a -14 goal difference, showing their defence was not exactly the hoover damn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 01:27:17 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 12:55:39 AM
Quote from: æmonn on May 21, 2012, 12:53:24 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 12:47:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
For me it's: OGS, Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

I'd put Lambert to the back of that list myself, but it's definitely OGS for me.

Yeah, me too. Thought Risso hated Arty Ziff (MON). Lambert has shown he's every bit like him thus far.


In what way?

I have said it before, but take the time to read the Norwich forums.


Yes, because we all know that the greatest football minds are to be found on internet forums  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
Fair point, but it gives an insight that is underneath the image, a bit like us with mon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2012, 01:44:30 AM
All good points ozz, and why  -out of Rodgers or Lambert-  I'd have a preference for Rodgers.

His style of football is not only easier on the eye - it's actually more effective too. 
Simply put, if the opposition don't have the ball, they can't score. 

Up until the New Year, they did have a problem putting the many chances they created away.  But the arrival of Sigurdsson helped to give them more of a cutting edge.  That's a crucial aspect too - it's no good playing Mowbray-esque one touch football in non threatening areas.  It has to have purpose.    Retain possession, yes.  But always with the onus on looking for a gap to exploit. Rather than to me>to you>to me>to you Chuckle brothers style.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 01:55:13 AM
Just want to reproduce this so everyone can see it on this page. If the board want Lambert, looking at this then at various MON home games should change their minds.

Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 01:27:17 AM
I have said it before, but take the time to read the Norwich forums.

Buys predominantly British, only comes into training towards the back end of the week, leaves training and tactical training during the week to his coaches, is very aloof with the press, is fairly direct and counter attacking style, happy to concede possession and try and hit direct, hence Norwich had the 4th worst pass completion up to March when I last saw the stats, and often had less of the ball. We have seen that style and it runs out of steam, because it gets worked out. I want something different. The thought of Grant Holt for a lot of money coming in has me in cold sweats. The direction has to change, style, players we target, how we use the ball. We need an end game, and I am not sure Lambert provides it. He certainly can motivate, but getting out of League 1 and the Championship is good, but to do it playing the way Swansea have is much more impressive for me. Also, Norwich finished with a -14 goal difference, showing their defence was not exactly the hoover damn.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
Fair point, but it gives an insight that is underneath the image, a bit like us with mon

I was only kidding mate.  Look I'm not against appointing OGS in any way and he would be a way better appointment than the likes of Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.  I just think that some posters are getting carried away a little.  Be honest - if he had coached at Man Utd and then gone up to Scotland and won a title with Rangers or Celtic instead of with Molde, would you have been as enthusiastic about him? 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
Fair point, but it gives an insight that is underneath the image, a bit like us with mon

I was only kidding mate.  Look I'm not against appointing OGS in any way and he would be a way better appointment than the likes of Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.  I just think that some posters are getting carried away a little.  Be honest - if he had coached at Man Utd and then gone up to Scotland and won a title with Rangers or Celtic instead of with Molde, would you have been as enthusiastic about him? 

If he'd done it in the same way, ie taken Hearts - because that's more the equivalent than the Old Firm, though outside of Spain they have few equivalents -  to the title with young players playing good football ruthlessly in the right way, then I think other clubs would have got there ahead of us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 01:42:23 AM
Fair point, but it gives an insight that is underneath the image, a bit like us with mon

I was only kidding mate.  Look I'm not against appointing OGS in any way and he would be a way better appointment than the likes of Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy.  I just think that some posters are getting carried away a little.  Be honest - if he had coached at Man Utd and then gone up to Scotland and won a title with Rangers or Celtic instead of with Molde, would you have been as enthusiastic about him? 

If he'd done it in the same way, ie taken Hearts - because that's more the equivalent than the Old Firm, though outside of Spain they have few equivalents -  to the title with young players playing good football ruthlessly in the right way, then I think other clubs would have got there ahead of us.

Monty - Had he done that at Hearts and we had been linked with him, I could guarantee that these pages would be full of posts saying "it's only Scottish football".  We seem to put far more currency in foreign football in this country and achievements abroad seem to have some extra kudos attached to them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 21, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
Monty - Had he done that at Hearts and we had been linked with him, I could guarantee that these pages would be full of posts saying "it's only Scottish football".  We seem to put far more currency in foreign football in this country and achievements abroad seem to have some extra kudos attached to them.

No way. Winning that league with the Jambos or Hibs, or anyone else other than Celtic/Rangers, would be one of the greatest managerial achievements ever. I think it may even be impossible these days.

Anyway, we're not talking about Scotch football, we're getting off topic :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:32:09 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 21, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
Monty - Had he done that at Hearts and we had been linked with him, I could guarantee that these pages would be full of posts saying "it's only Scottish football".  We seem to put far more currency in foreign football in this country and achievements abroad seem to have some extra kudos attached to them.

No way. Winning that league with the Jambos or Hibs, or anyone else other than Celtic/Rangers, would be one of the greatest managerial achievements ever. I think it may even be impossible these days.

I'm sure George Burley threatened to do it with Hearts one year (could well have been the season McLeish finished third with Rangers).  Still would be people saying "it's only Scottish football though".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 21, 2012, 02:35:52 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:32:09 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 21, 2012, 02:26:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:13:12 AM
Monty - Had he done that at Hearts and we had been linked with him, I could guarantee that these pages would be full of posts saying "it's only Scottish football".  We seem to put far more currency in foreign football in this country and achievements abroad seem to have some extra kudos attached to them.

No way. Winning that league with the Jambos or Hibs, or anyone else other than Celtic/Rangers, would be one of the greatest managerial achievements ever. I think it may even be impossible these days.

I'm sure George Burley threatened to do it with Hearts one year (could well have been the season McLeish finished third with Rangers).  Still would be people saying "it's only Scottish football though".

That was in about 2005, when the Lithuanian mentalist took over. The league has reverted to type after Hearts finished second back then.

If any team was able to wrestle the title from the Old Firm, just one title, it'd be an amazing achievement. I doubt anyone would belittle it, not anyone who appreciates how the game is in Scotland anyway.

In fact, just to add, the last team other than Celtic/Rangers to win the title was Aberdeen in 1985. The last time both finished outside the top 2 was in 1965.

Anyone able to crack that hegemony would have something about them, but again, we're straying from the point; Solskjaer has done well to win Malmo's first title with them, after years of domination from Rosenborg. I have reservations about it when looking at his experience so far, but at the same time I think the club needs a big change in direction and a shot in the arm. I don't mind if the gamble is made, lets give something new a go. Better to try and fail than fear change.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KRS on May 21, 2012, 03:37:15 AM
I'd rather face a season with the excitement of the unknown with OGS than settling for a midtable finish with someone like Lambert...the risk is we could be relegated, realistically we should be midtable...but we could be pushing back for European places quite soon.

Not taking anything away from Lambert, but the potential for an exciting long term project fuelled by youth and a good football ethos fits perfectly for how I see Villa developing over the next few years without having to compete financially in the transfer market. I believe that this is how things would pan out with OGS at the helm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2012, 07:48:03 AM
The last one I want is Di Matteo I have to say. He really does seem negative!

Hopefully Ole/ Martinez for me due to the way they play football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 21, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Could one of the Mods kindly remove the Z from my username

Thankyou
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 21, 2012, 08:10:08 AM
Quote from: OggyAlways on May 21, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Could one of the Mods kindly remove the Z from my username

Thankyou
:)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 21, 2012, 08:39:17 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 21, 2012, 03:37:15 AM
I'd rather face a season with the excitement of the unknown with OGS than settling for a midtable finish with someone like Lambert...the risk is we could be relegated, realistically we should be midtable...but we could be pushing back for European places quite soon.

Not taking anything away from Lambert, but the potential for an exciting long term project fuelled by youth and a good football ethos fits perfectly for how I see Villa developing over the next few years without having to compete financially in the transfer market. I believe that this is how things would pan out with OGS at the helm.

Good post. I think this partly explains the mass hysteria at the prospect of getting OGS in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 21, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 21, 2012, 01:44:30 AM
All good points ozz, and why  -out of Rodgers or Lambert-  I'd have a preference for Rodgers.


How much of the Swansea success is down to Rodgers compared with Martinez's legacy? - I realise that Rodgers has managed the side for a couple of years, and brought in Sigurdsson and the Spurs CB loanee, but part of me thinks that he's still riding the success of Martinez there.

Having said that, Martinez has taken 4-5 years to get the Wigan team playing reasonably okay for the last 10 games of last season, so I question why the media have gone so orgasmic over him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: NeilH on May 21, 2012, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Its really refreshing to see the fans all pulling in the same direction despite the obvious risks we face in getting him. It means that win or lose we've at least all got a stake in this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:42:31 AM
I must admit, I'm very pleasantly suprised to see such support for going for Solskjaer. When I first heard that we were going for him I was suprised, then chewed it over and it made perfect sense to the point I know deem him essential, but I never imagined that so many would agree, prefering a more established "name" instead.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
I'd love it to be Rodgers, but it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 21, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.
[/quote
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Stuff Randy reading this, but I do hope someone has put OGS onto it. We want you Ole! Simple as it gets!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 21, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.
[/quote
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Stuff Randy reading this, but I do hope someone has put OGS onto it. We want you Ole! Simple as it gets!

But Randy is the one who needs convincing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve R on May 21, 2012, 11:47:13 AM
Liverpool's short list seems to be getting shorter. In addition to Rodgers they have also had Frank de Boer, Jurgen 'Klip' Klopp and Pep Guardiola reportedly declining 'informal talks'.

Who knows if it is all true or not, but I wonder if that is 'why piss in my own pond for a long shot' syndrome or whether the club's stock has sunk even further.

Although in Guardiola's case it would be probably more along the lines of 'you must be fucking kidding'.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...


Picked this post only to highlight a point repeated on here which I find hard to comprehend.

We know so little about this guy, the style his teams play (really, has anybody watched enough of Molde to claim expertise?) and how he will perform at a level far beyond that at which he currently manages, I'm shocked the majority are prepared to take such a gung-ho approach to appointing him.

He may, in time, prove to be a great manager. I confess, I've warmed a little to the idea of giving him a chance, but to suggest we have nothing to lose by it all going tits up - and let's be honest, what career history do we have to suggest it won't - is astonishing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...


Picked this post only to highlight a point repeated on here which I find hard to comprehend.

We know so little about this guy, the style his teams play (really, has anybody watched enough of Molde to claim expertise?) and how he will perform at a level far beyond that at which he currently manages, I'm shocked the majority are prepared to take such a gung-ho approach to appointing him.

He may, in time, prove to be a great manager. I confess, I've warmed a little to the idea of giving him a chance, but to suggest we have nothing to lose by it all going tits up - and let's be honest, what career history do we have to suggest it won't - is astonishing.
this is probably why Randy wants some time to mull things over - does he try and get a manager with some type of pedigree (Martinez etc) or go with a completely new idea with OGS
It may well be that he thinks OGS with his new ideas together with Kev Mac and Sid are the solution, but only time - which hopefully he will be given - will tell!
I for one am behind this, but then its not my money  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dicedlam on May 21, 2012, 12:50:35 PM
Could a Mod change my name to dicemæn please

Ta
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: sid1964 on May 21, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
I honestly think that whoever comes in will have his own back room team - therefore K Mac will go back to what he does best and look after the reserves!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: D.boy on May 21, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...


Picked this post only to highlight a point repeated on here which I find hard to comprehend.

We know so little about this guy, the style his teams play (really, has anybody watched enough of Molde to claim expertise?) and how he will perform at a level far beyond that at which he currently manages, I'm shocked the majority are prepared to take such a gung-ho approach to appointing him.

He may, in time, prove to be a great manager. I confess, I've warmed a little to the idea of giving him a chance, but to suggest we have nothing to lose by it all going tits up - and let's be honest, what career history do we have to suggest it won't - is astonishing.
this is probably why Randy wants some time to mull things over - does he try and get a manager with some type of pedigree (Martinez etc) or go with a completely new idea with OGS
It may well be that he thinks OGS with his new ideas together with Kev Mac and Sid are the solution, but only time - which hopefully he will be given - will tell!
I for one am behind this, but then its not my money  ;)
I think Randy may look back at the last 2 appointments (been down the pedigree route) and where did it get us and how much has it cost him. I can understand the change in direction in going after someone like OGS and it's a bold/brave move.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 21, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 21, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 21, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.
[/quote
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Stuff Randy reading this, but I do hope someone has put OGS onto it. We want you Ole! Simple as it gets!

But Randy is the one who needs convincing.

If Randy ain't convinced I'll eat collection of programmes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villafirst on May 21, 2012, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...

RDM reminds you of McLeish?? You're joking of course - RM plays ATTACKING football - look at Wigan's last few results....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villafirst on May 21, 2012, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 21, 2012, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...

RDM reminds you of McLeish?? You're joking of course - RM plays ATTACKING football - look at Wigan's last few results....

Oops!....my mistake, apologies thought you meant Martinez! Yes, agree, Di Matteo is a bit negative but is far more tactically aware than McLeish
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
Uhm...........I thought 'RDM' was Roberto Di Matteo??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 21, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
I honestly think that whoever comes in will have his own back room team - therefore K Mac will go back to what he does best and look after the reserves!!!
That may be part of the problem tho - last season Randy only wanted a manager and a No2 as he wanted to keep the present back room intact and save some cash!
I cannot see a problem with this with OGS and his No 2 sitting down with Kev and Sid and talking thing through over a cup of tea and a packet of hobnobs (other biscuits are available) - it worked in the liverpool "bootroom"
This would also make sense with bringing the kids through as I dont see much money being available this summer, we may see some Norwegian’s we have never heard of and maybe a couple of Manure reserves due to his previous links
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve R on May 21, 2012, 01:28:40 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 21, 2012, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Its really refreshing to see the fans all pulling in the same direction despite the obvious risks we face in getting him. It means that win or lose we've at least all got a stake in this.

Totally agree. And from the club's point of view, hiring someone who the fans have already bought into has got to be a big plus too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 21, 2012, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: Steve N'Rose on May 21, 2012, 01:28:40 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 21, 2012, 09:34:30 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 21, 2012, 09:31:53 AM
I hope Randy/OGS reads/gets told about this thread as winning over the fans is half the battle, and that battle seems won already. Get him in.

Its really refreshing to see the fans all pulling in the same direction despite the obvious risks we face in getting him. It means that win or lose we've at least all got a stake in this.

Totally agree. And from the club's point of view, hiring someone who the fans have already bought into has got to be a big plus too.
If Randy chooses OGS their's no comeback. He has given us what we want. So if it does go tits up he can throw his arms up in the air if we give him shit. Just letting you know. On the other hand it would be good if the supporters of AVFC had something to cheer about. It's a no lose situation for Randy with OGS, as he's the favourite ( in the polls).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2012, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er....

Brian Little.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ROBBO on May 21, 2012, 01:49:27 PM
OGS coaches his players to play the way we've been hoping for and i think thats why he's by far the preferred choice, although anyone half decent would be brilliant after the last disaster.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 21, 2012, 01:18:11 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 21, 2012, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...

RDM reminds you of McLeish?? You're joking of course - RM plays ATTACKING football - look at Wigan's last few results....

Oops!....my mistake, apologies thought you meant Martinez! Yes, agree, Di Matteo is a bit negative but is far more tactically aware than McLeish

Please tell me views on De Matteo being negative have not been formed from the semi-final against Barcelona and winning the European Cup with an understrength team against one of the giants of Europe on their own patch.  His tenure at West Brom would cast doubt, but I personally don't believe he would be a bad appointment. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: D(babyfacedassassin) .boy on May 21, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...


Picked this post only to highlight a point repeated on here which I find hard to comprehend.

We know so little about this guy, the style his teams play (really, has anybody watched enough of Molde to claim expertise?) and how he will perform at a level far beyond that at which he currently manages, I'm shocked the majority are prepared to take such a gung-ho approach to appointing him.

He may, in time, prove to be a great manager. I confess, I've warmed a little to the idea of giving him a chance, but to suggest we have nothing to lose by it all going tits up - and let's be honest, what career history do we have to suggest it won't - is astonishing.
this is probably why Randy wants some time to mull things over - does he try and get a manager with some type of pedigree (Martinez etc) or go with a completely new idea with OGS
It may well be that he thinks OGS with his new ideas together with Kev Mac and Sid are the solution, but only time - which hopefully he will be given - will tell!
I for one am behind this, but then its not my money  ;)
I think Randy may look back at the last 2 appointments (been down the pedigree route) and where did it get us and how much has it cost him. I can understand the change in direction in going after someone like OGS and it's a bold/brave move.

Yes, but look at the pedigree of the two that he brought in.  Pedigree chumps!! 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 21, 2012, 01:59:36 PM
 Definately jumping on the ogs bandwagon now out of all the other candidates. Just seems 'different' to the rest.  Hope to see Ole riding into Villa Park on his Direwolf very soon. All hail Ole King of the North!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.

I reckon Kendrick's sources are a bit more accurate. He still reckons OGS the fave.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.

I reckon Kendrick's sources are a bit more accurate. He still reckons OGS the fave.

Does he think this based on a source though? I thought he just 'reckoned' it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PM
Quote from: D(babyfacedassassin) .boy on May 21, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
Lambert reminds me of MON.
RDM reminds me of McLeish.
OGS reminds me of.... er.... I haven't a clue, as I know nothing about the way he manages.
So, let's get him in, nothing to lose, can't be as bad as last season...


Picked this post only to highlight a point repeated on here which I find hard to comprehend.

We know so little about this guy, the style his teams play (really, has anybody watched enough of Molde to claim expertise?) and how he will perform at a level far beyond that at which he currently manages, I'm shocked the majority are prepared to take such a gung-ho approach to appointing him.

He may, in time, prove to be a great manager. I confess, I've warmed a little to the idea of giving him a chance, but to suggest we have nothing to lose by it all going tits up - and let's be honest, what career history do we have to suggest it won't - is astonishing.
this is probably why Randy wants some time to mull things over - does he try and get a manager with some type of pedigree (Martinez etc) or go with a completely new idea with OGS
It may well be that he thinks OGS with his new ideas together with Kev Mac and Sid are the solution, but only time - which hopefully he will be given - will tell!
I for one am behind this, but then its not my money  ;)
I think Randy may look back at the last 2 appointments (been down the pedigree route) and where did it get us and how much has it cost him. I can understand the change in direction in going after someone like OGS and it's a bold/brave move.

Yes, but look at the pedigree of the two that he brought in.  Pedigree chumps!! 


Very harsh on a man that has won what Houllier has.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.

I reckon Kendrick's sources are a bit more accurate. He still reckons OGS the fave.

Does he think this based on a source though? I thought he just 'reckoned' it.

He has been told that OGS made an "extremely positive impression" last week. So I am sure whoever told him that would have led him to think OGS  "remains prominent in the claret and blues’ thinking."

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.

I reckon Kendrick's sources are a bit more accurate. He still reckons OGS the fave.

Does he think this based on a source though? I thought he just 'reckoned' it.

He has been told that OGS made an "extremely positive impression" last week. So I am sure whoever told him that would have led him to think OGS  "remains prominent in the claret and blues’ thinking."



However, it's possible that promoted him from 'outside bet' to 'first backup'. I hope I'm wrong, but Fjortoft has seemed relatively reliable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:00:58 PM
Well Fjortoft has just Twatted that a 'reliable' connection to the club has Lambert the frontrunner. Personally, this looks a bit like going for Martinez and McLeish to me - far from similar aims, they look like very different directions. Lambert plays short-term, pragmatic football, whereas OGS looks to want to build something. That's why I'd prefer him.

I reckon Kendrick's sources are a bit more accurate. He still reckons OGS the fave.

Does he think this based on a source though? I thought he just 'reckoned' it.

He has been told that OGS made an "extremely positive impression" last week. So I am sure whoever told him that would have led him to think OGS  "remains prominent in the claret and blues’ thinking."



However, it's possible that promoted him from 'outside bet' to 'first backup'. I hope I'm wrong, but Fjortoft has seemed relatively reliable.

I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjaer, not the other way round.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
The board need to "reinvigorate" the club. Their words. They will be well aware of how Villa fans will have reacted to OGS. Even though Lambert or Martinez may well equally competent candidates the sheer momentum that the Solskjaer link has created will be influential. They are right to complete their discovery process, and the Villa job has become a little more fashionable again so they need to ensure they have all the information they need. In the, all things being equal Solskjaer will be the man. Too much has been written said for it not to be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjær, not the other way round.

For me, it really doesn't matter if it is PL or OGS. Both will play to win, both will have a desire to achieve, both will probably improve results and both will get us scoring goals.

It is as close to a Win-Win as you can get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjær, not the other way round.

For me, it really doesn't matter if it is PL or OGS. Both will play to win, both will have a desire to achieve, both will probably improve results and both will get us scoring goals.

It is as close to a Win-Win as you can get.

Short-term. I just feel Lambert is a short-term pragmatist, who won't play the sort of football which, generally, has a higher glass ceiling than the various varieties of MON-ball.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjær, not the other way round.

For me, it really doesn't matter if it is PL or OGS. Both will play to win, both will have a desire to achieve, both will probably improve results and both will get us scoring goals.

It is as close to a Win-Win as you can get.

Short-term. I just feel Lambert is a short-term pragmatist, who won't play the sort of football which, generally, has a higher glass ceiling than the various varieties of MON-ball.

I dont buy the MON parallel. Lambert had bought young players like Pilkington, Howson etc. He plays the ball on the floor a lot more than MON and understands european possession tactics from his time at Dortmund.

I think the fact that he is self depricating and has worked under MON tarrs him with the same brush. I don't think they are that similar at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
I dont buy the MON parallel. Lambert had bought young players like Pilkington, Howson etc. He plays the ball on the floor a lot more than MON and understands european possession tactics from his time at Dortmund.

I think the fact that he is self depricating and has worked under MON tarrs him with the same brush. I don't think they are that similar at all.

Well, he describes MON as his other greatest influence in management, and his Norwich were, at various times, fourth-lowest for completed passes and in the top four for number of long balls played. I'm not saying he can't change, just that his instinct does seem towards short-term pragmatism, and I feel we need to develop more of a club philosophy of playing than simply "who do we mark this time" sort of stuff.

I'm being a bit straw-man here, but remember McLeish promising attacking football. Even if Lambert promises a possession game, there's nothing in his past to suggest he'd do it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 02:29:32 PM
Perhaps Fjortoft's source is just slightly behind with his info?

The general feeling up until Friday was that Lambert was first choice and a good one at that.  Then Ole came into the picture and, by all accounts, greatly impressed them.

So if his insider was told this prior to Friday it doesn't make his ITK wrong, just old.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 21, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjær, not the other way round.

For me, it really doesn't matter if it is PL or OGS. Both will play to win, both will have a desire to achieve, both will probably improve results and both will get us scoring goals.

It is as close to a Win-Win as you can get.

Short-term. I just feel Lambert is a short-term pragmatist, who won't play the sort of football which, generally, has a higher glass ceiling than the various varieties of MON-ball.

I dont buy the MON parallel. Lambert had bought young players like Pilkington, Howson etc. He plays the ball on the floor a lot more than MON and understands european possession tactics from his time at Dortmund.

I think the fact that he is self depricating and has worked under MON tarrs him with the same brush. I don't think they are that similar at all.

I understand the MON/Lambert thing, but I think it's a bit facile.

After all, I seem to remember a lot of people on here gnashing at their bras whenever some journalist compared MON to Clough. The similarities are there, in both cases, but I reckon they're presentational at most.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2012, 02:31:51 PM
Quote from: ogsjæm on May 21, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 01:57:54 PM

Yes, but look at the pedigree of the two that he brought in.  Pedigree chumps!! 


Very harsh on a man that has won what Houllier has.

He was years past his best, which is why he was shuffling papers for the French FA.  And it showed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 21, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:24:18 PM
I dont buy the MON parallel. Lambert had bought young players like Pilkington, Howson etc. He plays the ball on the floor a lot more than MON and understands european possession tactics from his time at Dortmund.

I think the fact that he is self depricating and has worked under MON tarrs him with the same brush. I don't think they are that similar at all.

Well, he describes MON as his other greatest influence in management, and his Norwich were, at various times, fourth-lowest for completed passes and in the top four for number of long balls played. I'm not saying he can't change, just that his instinct does seem towards short-term pragmatism, and I feel we need to develop more of a club philosophy of playing than simply "who do we mark this time" sort of stuff.

I'm being a bit straw-man here, but remember McLeish promising attacking football. Even if Lambert promises a possession game, there's nothing in his past to suggest he'd do it.

True but it was pretty much on a par with Newcastle, whose style is pretty.

I am similar to you and I would prefer OGS. But I would be delighted with PL. He has done fantastic with Norwich and maybe his style isn't pass, pass, pass BUT neither is the European Champions' ;-)

But I am with you. I would love it to be OGS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
As far as the Lambert v Ole argument goes, I'd say Lambert in the money in your hand while OGS is the box that may contain the jackpot....... or the exact sum of fuck-all.

Sadly, I'd have been happy to take that gamble last year, but our stock is so low at the moment I'm not sure we can gamble it dropping further.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
As far as the Lambert v Ole argument goes, I'd say Lambert in the money in your hand while OGS is the box that may contain the jackpot....... or the exact sum of fuck-all.

Sadly, I'd have been happy to take that gamble last year, but our stock is so low at the moment I'm not sure we can gamble it dropping further.

See I'd counter the last part of your argument. I think our stock has dropped so low that now is the ideal time to take a gamble, it's very unlikely that whoever we appoint can do as badly as Mcleish. It's the perfect scenario for Solskjaer to be our manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 21, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
I don't doubt JAF on the norweigian side. But Kendrick doesn't get too much wrong that often. So when it comes to Villa sources I would lean towards Kendrick. But it is quite possible no one has a scooby about what is going on.

Indeed, the board have been so secretive they haven't even told themselves what's going on.

I've softened a bit towards Lambert, because he has brought through some young players at Norwich. But I desperately hope he's the backup option for Solskjær, not the other way round.

For me, it really doesn't matter if it is PL or OGS. Both will play to win, both will have a desire to achieve, both will probably improve results and both will get us scoring goals.

It is as close to a Win-Win as you can get.

Short-term. I just feel Lambert is a short-term pragmatist, who won't play the sort of football which, generally, has a higher glass ceiling than the various varieties of MON-ball.

Posted it before, but this was taken from an article written by a Norwich fan:

"Lambert has used the money gathered from promotion to build a squad of young, up and coming talent. Look at the purchases he has made this year. Anthony Pilkington, age 23. Elliott Bennett, aged 23. Daniel Ayala, aged 21. Jonny Howson, aged 23. James Vaughan, age 23. Bradley Johnson, aged 24. Ryan Bennett, aged 21.

Of all the new permanent signings, only one is over 25 – Steve Morison, aged 28.

Add this to the young players already at the club. Players like Andrew Surman, aged 25. John Ruddy, aged 25. Declan Rudd, aged 21. Jed Steer, aged 19. Korey Smith, aged 21 and let’s not forget Chris Martin, aged 23. And that’s forgetting the likes of Tom Adeyemi, Matt Ball, Josh Dawkin and others.

This is the legacy of Paul Lambert". 

I also think it would be fair to say that the level of players he is working with has dictated the style of football he plays.  Whichever way you look at it, he has found a way to play with those players that has got them back-to-back promotions and a mid-table finish in the Premier League.  Yes, Rodgers has had a similar group of players to work with, but they were already playing a similar brand of football under Martinez.  Whose to say Lambert won't change his style when he is working with better players? 

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 21, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
As far as the Lambert v Ole argument goes, I'd say Lambert in the money in your hand while OGS is the box that may contain the jackpot....... or the exact sum of fuck-all.

Sadly, I'd have been happy to take that gamble last year, but our stock is so low at the moment I'm not sure we can gamble it dropping further.

See I'd counter the last part of your argument. I think our stock has dropped so low that now is the ideal time to take a gamble, it's very unlikely that whoever we appoint can do as badly as Mcleish. It's the perfect scenario for Solskjær to be our manager.

See I keep hearing this, but if we don't get it right this summer then I can definitely see us going down.  I wouldn't expect the promoted clubs to struggle next season and I can definitely see QPR making strides under Mark Hughes.  Which leaves us and Wigan. 
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2012, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 21, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
As far as the Lambert v Ole argument goes, I'd say Lambert in the money in your hand while OGS is the box that may contain the jackpot....... or the exact sum of fuck-all.

Sadly, I'd have been happy to take that gamble last year, but our stock is so low at the moment I'm not sure we can gamble it dropping further.

See I'd counter the last part of your argument. I think our stock has dropped so low that now is the ideal time to take a gamble, it's very unlikely that whoever we appoint can do as badly as Mcleish. It's the perfect scenario for Solskjær to be our manager.

See I keep hearing this, but if we don't get it right this summer then I can definitely see us going down.  I wouldn't expect the promoted clubs to struggle next season and I can definitely see QPR making strides under Mark Hughes.  Which leaves us and Wigan. 

I don't think so, I thought Mcleish did dreadfully when our squad was fully fit. Another manager would have got a lot more points during that period. We did need quite an overhaul, but I don't think we should ever have been in relegation trouble this year.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
I think Norwich and/or Swansea will have '2nd season syndrome' and be down there somewhere, especially if either lose their manager.

With our squad as is we shouldn't be in relegation danger, so Ole, or whoever comes in, needs to just do an 'average' job for us not to be in the relegation mix.
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 21, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
See I keep hearing this, but if we don't get it right this summer then I can definitely see us going down.  I wouldn't expect the promoted clubs to struggle next season and I can definitely see QPR making strides under Mark Hughes.  Which leaves us and Wigan. 

Come of it, even McLeish couldn't relegate us, he had a decent crack at it but he couldn't manage it.
We'll be fine, there's a core of a good side here, too many decent players completely underachieved this season, I can't see us being anywhere near as bad again under either Lambert or Ole.
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Post by: James on May 21, 2012, 02:58:23 PM
The Baggies are always worth a shout for relegation too!  ;D
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!
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Post by: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 21, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 21, 2012, 02:42:47 PM
As far as the Lambert v Ole argument goes, I'd say Lambert in the money in your hand while OGS is the box that may contain the jackpot....... or the exact sum of fuck-all.

Sadly, I'd have been happy to take that gamble last year, but our stock is so low at the moment I'm not sure we can gamble it dropping further.

See I'd counter the last part of your argument. I think our stock has dropped so low
that now is the ideal time to take a gamble, it's very unlikely that whoever we appoint can do as badly as Mcleish. It's the perfect scenario for Solskjær to be our manager.


Good counter argument, although I can't agree with you. The danger is, things haven't fallen as far as they possibly can just yet, but they have fallen as far as they can without there being serious consequences.

You know, if things aren't going so well come Christmas, is Man U's reserve coach with one years experience at the equivalent of Walsall going to be the man to turn us around?
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!

Where did I discredit his achievements? I just don't think pragmatic football is what we need right now. In order to grow as a club we need entertaining football at VP. We're not going to win the league any time soon, so entertainment and a clear way of playing would progress us better in the short and the long term.
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Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: Dæv Cøoper on May 21, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Come of it, even McLeish couldn't relegate us, he had a decent crack at it but he couldn't manage it.

Yes we will NEVER go down after playing the ultimate brinkmanship this season gone. That Randy must be hell of a poker player!
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!

Quoting Richard Littlejohn is not going to win friends amongst our band of lentil-knitters.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: dæ.wøødhall on May 21, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!

Quoting Richard Littlejohn is not going to win friends amongst our band of lentil-knitters.

With friends like these .....

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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: dæ.wøødhall on May 21, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!

Quoting Richard Littlejohn is not going to win friends amongst our band of lentil-knitters.

I object to being labelled a lentil-knitter. You can't get the needle through the damn things, for starters.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 21, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
Richard Littlejohn is composed entirely of discarded bum hair that was gathered from the floor of a homosexual beauty salon, and his parents were benefit tourists from Romania. And he's in the IRA.

If he thinks I've made any of that up then he's wrong, because I couldn't.
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
Another point: just checked the stats, and Norwich finished top of the long-balls per game league, and twelfth in the short-passes league. They scored the seventh highest number of goals from open play, which sounds impressive, except that they came seventh in crosses per game and sixteenth in number of through balls. They came fifth in breakaway goals, but fourth in set piece goals, scoring more set pieces at home and more counter attacks away, though generally scoring fewer at home. Is this starting to sound familiar?

Incidentally, we finished fifth-bottom of the long-balls league, but third-bottom of the short-passes league as well, which shows how much of the ball we had. Shower of shit.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
Another point: just checked the stats, and Norwich finished top of the long-balls per game league, and twelfth in the short-passes league. They scored the seventh highest number of goals from open play, which sounds impressive, except that they came seventh in crosses per game and sixteenth in number of through balls. They came fifth in breakaway goals, but fourth in set piece goals, scoring more set pieces at home and more counter attacks away, though generally scoring fewer at home. Is this starting to sound familiar?

Incidentally, we finished fifth-bottom of the long-balls league, but third-bottom of the short-passes league as well, which shows how much of the ball we had. Shower of shit.

Where did we finish in the "play balls straight in to touch" league?
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
Another point: just checked the stats, and Norwich finished top of the long-balls per game league, and twelfth in the short-passes league. They scored the seventh highest number of goals from open play, which sounds impressive, except that they came seventh in crosses per game and sixteenth in number of through balls. They came fifth in breakaway goals, but fourth in set piece goals, scoring more set pieces at home and more counter attacks away, though generally scoring fewer at home. Is this starting to sound familiar?

Incidentally, we finished fifth-bottom of the long-balls league, but third-bottom of the short-passes league as well, which shows how much of the ball we had. Shower of shit.

Where did we finish in the "play balls straight in to touch" league?

I imagine we stormed to the title.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 04:44:32 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
Another point: just checked the stats, and Norwich finished top of the long-balls per game league, and twelfth in the short-passes league. They scored the seventh highest number of goals from open play, which sounds impressive, except that they came seventh in crosses per game and sixteenth in number of through balls. They came fifth in breakaway goals, but fourth in set piece goals, scoring more set pieces at home and more counter attacks away, though generally scoring fewer at home. Is this starting to sound familiar?

Incidentally, we finished fifth-bottom of the long-balls league, but third-bottom of the short-passes league as well, which shows how much of the ball we had. Shower of shit.

Where did we finish in the "play balls straight in to touch" league?

I imagine we stormed to the title.

With Hutton and Warnock sharing the Player of the Year honour.
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
In all seriousness, don't discount the role of N'Zogbia in our minimal passes rate. His blind alley running was crucial in our quests to give the ball away.
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Post by: Ad@m on May 21, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
Well OGS is still the odds-on favourite with all the bookies, and his odds are generally shortening whilst Lamberts are drifting.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 21, 2012, 06:54:51 PM
The numbers don't lie.

Lambert's Norwich thrived on a pragmatic hustle and bustle direct form of football.  He is a safer choice without doubt - but comparisons with O'Neill are anything but facile.  He is another form of Allardyce - which some of you may not think a bad thing.  But it is a philosophy of football that relies on 'buying' performers - not developing them.

(http://www.edp24.co.uk/polopoly_fs/fil_sunderland_norwich_020_1_1_1195677!image/411499966.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/411499966.jpg)

OGS has one clear advantage to my mind - he worked as a youth and reserve coach first - and was a winner at it.  He is a better fit with what the Villa are trying to do in these Financial Fair Play times.  He coaches fast passing and movement and encourages his team to mix it up and not be afraid to shoot.  Some of the stuff Molde are playing puts me in mind of Swansea - who - let us not forget - made McLeish's Villa look like a pub team at Villa Park.

Norwich cut their cloth according to their pocket - but Villa have a much better pool of quality than Norwich - and we have been down the direct and physical route before - and we achieved nothing except league respectability.  In a season that saw four managers in charge - we managed 9th in the league - Norwich's wonder season sees them 12th. 

Here is an excerpt from an article about their long ball game...


Whilst they don’t enjoy anywhere near the same levels of possession as Swansea, who are also adapting to life in the Premier League with great success, Norwich have proven to be a potent attacking force this season. It should be noted that of the sides 32 goals 12 have come from set-pieces, more than any other side. But they still have 17 from open play, which ranks them as 8th, higher than Liverpool.

Lambert’s tactics

Much of Norwich’s success is as noted down to tactics, specifically the fact that they employ a direct style of play that has surprisingly  seen them play more long balls than any other side in the Premier League. Their emphasis on long balls plays to their strengths as Grant Holt and Morrison are able to hold the ball up upfront and bring midfield players such as Pilkington into play, which has seen the two forwards contribute 6 assists between them as well as 15 goals.

This direct style of play, whilst not appreciated by all, is clearly playing dividends for Norwich.

Source: http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/ (http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/)


Here is the philosophy from the mouth of one of their players.

“Sometimes it doesn’t matter how far someone runs or how many passes they complete, it’s about getting the result,” bragged Canaries centre-back Elliott Ward.

“Yes, Swansea pass the ball well, but we pressed them that high they did not know what to do. I don’t think they’ve come up against that or our physical game too many times before.

“We got stuck in, we pressed them and we were physical.”

It may not have always been pretty, but Norwich were pretty effective.

Source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/02/13/analysis-norwich-city-shut-down-swansea-city-s-pass-masters-again-91466-30317096/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/02/13/analysis-norwich-city-shut-down-swansea-city-s-pass-masters-again-91466-30317096/)

I want to see a manager at Villa who is

1 - A winner.
2 - Has a clear footballing philosophy.
3 - Has experience of working with youth and developing players.
4 - Commands the respect of the people within the game.

For me - OGS - RM - and BR could fit better with our excellent Academy and Reserve set ups.

Lambert might fit - or he might not.  And I am not saying he is a poor manager.  But I am saying that there could be a better fit out there with who and what we are. 
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Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2012, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 21, 2012, 06:54:51 PM
The numbers don't lie.

Lambert's Norwich thrived on a pragmatic hustle and bustle direct form of football.  He is a safer choice without doubt - but comparisons with O'Neill are anything but facile.  He is another form of Allardyce - which some of you may not think a bad thing.  But it is a philosophy of football that relies on 'buying' performers - not developing them.

(http://www.edp24.co.uk/polopoly_fs/fil_sunderland_norwich_020_1_1_1195677!image/411499966.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/411499966.jpg)

OGS has one clear advantage to my mind - he worked as a youth and reserve coach first - and was a winner at it.  He is a better fit with what the Villa are trying to do in these Financial Fair Play times.  He coaches fast passing and movement and encourages his team to mix it up and not be afraid to shoot.  Some of the stuff Molde are playing puts me in mind of Swansea - who - let us not forget - made McLeish's Villa look like a pub team at Villa Park.

Norwich cut their cloth according to their pocket - but Villa have a much better pool of quality than Norwich - and we have been down the direct and physical route before - and we achieved nothing except league respectability.  In a season that saw four managers in charge - we managed 9th in the league - Norwich's wonder season sees them 12th. 

Here is an excerpt from an article about their long ball game...


Whilst they don’t enjoy anywhere near the same levels of possession as Swansea, who are also adapting to life in the Premier League with great success, Norwich have proven to be a potent attacking force this season. It should be noted that of the sides 32 goals 12 have come from set-pieces, more than any other side. But they still have 17 from open play, which ranks them as 8th, higher than Liverpool.

Lambert’s tactics

Much of Norwich’s success is as noted down to tactics, specifically the fact that they employ a direct style of play that has surprisingly  seen them play more long balls than any other side in the Premier League. Their emphasis on long balls plays to their strengths as Grant Holt and Morrison are able to hold the ball up upfront and bring midfield players such as Pilkington into play, which has seen the two forwards contribute 6 assists between them as well as 15 goals.

This direct style of play, whilst not appreciated by all, is clearly playing dividends for Norwich.

Source: http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/ (http://thinkfootball.co.uk/norwichs-direct-style-of-play-is-paying-dividends/)


Here is the philosophy from the mouth of one of their players.

“Sometimes it doesn’t matter how far someone runs or how many passes they complete, it’s about getting the result,” bragged Canaries centre-back Elliott Ward.

“Yes, Swansea pass the ball well, but we pressed them that high they did not know what to do. I don’t think they’ve come up against that or our physical game too many times before.

“We got stuck in, we pressed them and we were physical.”

It may not have always been pretty, but Norwich were pretty effective.

Source: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/02/13/analysis-norwich-city-shut-down-swansea-city-s-pass-masters-again-91466-30317096/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/02/13/analysis-norwich-city-shut-down-swansea-city-s-pass-masters-again-91466-30317096/)

I want to see a manager at Villa who is

1 - A winner.
2 - Has a clear footballing philosophy.
3 - Has experience of working with youth and developing players.
4 - Commands the respect of the people within the game.

For me - OGS - RM - and BR could fit better with our excellent Academy and Reserve set ups.

Lambert might fit - or he might not.  And I am not saying he is a poor manager.  But I am saying that there could be a better fit out there with who and what we are. 

This.  I've been umming and ahhing about Lambert and I'm now convinced he's not for us.  Not that I'm that certain on who we should have?!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
If the article was posted to prove Swansea's football is better than Norwich's, it begs the question: who won?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2012, 08:52:00 PM
Quote
OGS has one clear advantage to my mind - he worked as a youth and reserve coach first - and was a winner at it.

So Kevin MacDonald it is.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 21, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 21, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
If the article was posted to prove Swansea's football is better than Norwich's, it begs the question: who won?

I think the selected quotes make it clear that Norwich won - but well done you.  Using the logic of results - Sam Allardyce is the man we really want - cos his team beat Blackpool - how and why is beyond me - but they did and if results is results - why aren't we talking to him?

Or what about Roberto Di Matteo? His team have just lifted old big ears and studiously avoided playing football throughout - a wins a win?

We all want results. 

But wouldn't it be nice to also want football - and let the results come after?
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Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 09:07:32 PM
I completely agree Sonlyme. It's about the right man for the job. I actually think Lambert would be a good appointment for Liverpool, Everton, Spurs or even Arsenal, for various reasons relating to either maximising what they have there, or taking players used to possession football and working more rounded elements into their game. What we have is a group of players, especially the youngsters, who would be good at possession football but have barely been taught it at a senior level. OGS offers that, Rodgers offers that, even Martinez offers that, but Lambert doesn't.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
Don't get me wrong, I want OGS too. Just seemed a funny way of stating the case, bringing up a game where the manager you were seeking to deride was the winner.

And sonlyme, please don't talk to me like I'm a ******
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2012, 10:23:42 PM
Not only that lambert and Mon look like they were separated at birth
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 21, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
FWIW here's my realistic top 3
1. Klinsmann
2. OGS
3. Tbc
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 21, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
FWIW here's my realistic top 3
1. Klinsmann
2. OGS
3. Tbc

Who's that in 3rd?
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Post by: hawkeye on May 21, 2012, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 21, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
FWIW here's my realistic top 3
1. Klinsmann
2. OGS
3. Tbc

Who's that in 3rd?
Tony buba Connor?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 21, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 21, 2012, 10:42:47 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 21, 2012, 10:34:13 PM
FWIW here's my realistic top 3
1. Klinsmann
2. OGS
3. Tbc

Who's that in 3rd?
Trappatoni, Benitez and Coyle. Formidable!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 11:04:46 PM
The Bibs & Cones.

Nickname for a dream managerial double act.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: wozwebs on May 21, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
Mirror:

Randy Lerner is jetting back to Aston Villa on Wednesday to finalise their manager search in his most important decision since buying the club.

Villa's US owner Lerner has already held talks with Ole Gunnar Solskjær about succeeding the axed Alex McLeish as manager.

Ex-Manchester United striker Solskjær, 39, has even publicly admitted he would probably quit Molde in his native Norway for Villa Park if offered the post.

But Lerner is refusing to be rushed into an appointment after last summer's disastrous move for McLeish from arch-rivals Birmingham.Y

Lerner and Villa chief executive Paul Faulkner are now considering other alternatives including Roberto Martinez, Paul Lambert, Gus Poyet and Brendan Rodgers.
MirrorSport understands Villa officials have been delighted with the amount of successful managers to register an interest.

Lerner wants to bring in a young, hungry, dynamic new chief to restore vibrancy to the club.

Last season was nearly a catastrophe as Villa ended 16th with just 38 points following just one win their last 16 matches.

Fans protested against the unpopular McLeish amid ugly scenes and attendances fell.

Now Lerner, who inherited Martin O'Neill as boss when he bought Villa in 2006, knows he has to turnaround the club's fortunes by appointing the right man.

His previous decision to name the ageing Gerard Houllier to replace O'Neill in 2010 also backfired as the Frenchman's heart condition flared up again.

And Lerner is desperate to get his latest appointment right to bring some much-needed stability to the club.

He considers Solskjaer a 'good candidate' after the Manchester United legend flew to England on Friday for talks with Lerner, who then returned to the US.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2012, 11:16:28 PM
I mean, every single word of that article could simply be plucked out of thin air. Bloody Mirror.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Lizz on May 21, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 11:16:28 PM
I mean, every single word of that article could simply be plucked out of thin air. Bloody Mirror.

Many years ago I actually liked the Mirror. Not any more.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 22, 2012, 07:05:43 AM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 11:16:28 PM
I mean, every single word of that article could simply be plucked out of thin air. Bloody Mirror.
And I hope it is.
Gus Poyet?
No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 22, 2012, 07:28:19 AM
According to Beeb 5 this morning; Chelsea and Liverpool are looking for new managers. Who knew ? I'd have thought it would have been mentioned in the media.

Meanwhile, since Villa wasn't mentioned, I assume that our managerial situation is sorted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 22, 2012, 07:31:08 AM
We weren't mentioned on ssn either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 22, 2012, 08:27:48 AM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: dæ.wøødhall on May 21, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 21, 2012, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mønty on May 21, 2012, 02:54:24 PM
One point on Lambert's experience at Dortmund: his manager there was Ottmar Hitzfeld, extremely pragmatic manager of, in fairness, great repute. Those who remember Switzerland's 1-0 win over Spain at the last World Cup will be familiar with his methods, and his ability to implement them. However, the Dortmund of his and Lambert's day was ultra-pragmatic - they largely won that 1997 CL final due to Lambert's strict man-marking of Zidane - and a far cry from Klopp's modern-day goal-machine.

These were the days in Europe, and especially in Germany, of man-to-man marking, the defensive sweeper in the back three such as Matthias Sammer, counter-attacking especially to big, physical forwards like Carsten Jancker, and typical defensive-players-to-attacking-players ratios of 7 to 3 respectively. It was European, it was tactically sophisticated, but it was not entertaining in any way.

You can't make this stuff up!!  First we have people criticising Di Matteo for winning the Champions League using negative tactics and now we have Hitzfeld's record (won European Cups with two different clubs) being discredited because the style of football was not entertaining enough.  Just waiting for someone to come along and say that our achievement in '82 wasn't that great because we played too defensively in the final!!

Quoting Richard Littlejohn is not going to win friends amongst our band of lentil-knitters.

I object to being labelled a lentil-knitter. You can't get the needle through the damn things, for starters.

You can if you soak the lentils in the sweat of the workers' toil.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 22, 2012, 08:28:48 AM
Can I be the first to say that I'd really like Gus Poyet to take the job?


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2012, 08:30:23 AM
McLeish is currently out of a job ;-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)

I'd really Gus Poyet to push Scarlett Johansson's guts in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 22, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)

I Gus Poyet
You Gus Poyet
He/She/It Gus Poyet

Yes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 22, 2012, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 22, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)

I Gus Poyet
You Gus Poyet
He/She/It Gus Poyet

Yes.

Is that something to do with damp knickers?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 22, 2012, 09:42:42 AM
Has Steve Bruce been any closer than 20/1 before now?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on May 22, 2012, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 22, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)

I Gus Poyet
You Gus Poyet
He/She/It Gus Poyet

Yes.

Is that something to do with damp knickers?

No, but my guitar playing is.

*high fives*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 22, 2012, 10:19:27 AM
R5's Monday Night Club was supposed to be talking about the managerial vacancies in the prem, but they barely mentioned us and Boggies, it was all Liverpoo and Chelski. Bastards! I don't know why I'm surprised by shite reporting anymore!

Talking of managers, has anyone seen Steve Kean since he went to India, or is he being repatriated bit by bit in little bags of chicken portions?

Not that I want him at VP! Jeez no!

Randy's back in town apparently, so eyes down, look in!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 22, 2012, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.
I get the feeling that Solskjaer will come in with a big broom and see straight through all the prima donnas.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.

My thoughts as well, KMac is not an option.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 22, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
Ole 1/5 most places. St Williams offering 1/4...The rest nowhere..bar Lambert @ 4/1 ish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 22, 2012, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.
I get the feeling that Solskjær will come in with a big broom and see straight through all the prima donnas.

Me too. I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2012, 11:05:36 AM
I want someone new to come in, so the established players have to impress him, and not just expect to keep their status because of their reputation. As for Gabby, well... meh, I'd be looking to get rid, he's going backwards.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
Yes, the whole place needs a good kick up the arse.
Anybody who wants la dolce vita can do one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 22, 2012, 11:14:25 AM
The main group of underachievers also just have the one year left on their contracts now don't they? A new man will get them earning a new contract or ship them out, whereas an internal appointment may not have that impetus with them.

Somebody young like OGS will have every reason to want to shine and impress, whereas an older 'been there done that' manager won't worry about a few failures on his CV.

It's not blind optimism or blind anything, OGS is certainly a risk but it's a calculated one and accordingly the possible rewards are huge. I'd rather this than another 'glad to have a job' manager, quite frankly, and of the other 'young and vibrant' candidates they may have marginally more experience but that's about it!

So it's 'Yes!' to OGS, now sign him up Randy!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: frank on May 22, 2012, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 22, 2012, 11:00:33 AM
Ole 1/5 most places. St Williams offering 1/4...The rest nowhere..bar Lambert @ 4/1 ish.
I see OGS is 6-1 to be Man U's next permanent manager (the list also includes DOL at 66-1). Do they think he'll do a couple of years with us and then go back to the Mancs?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Bad English on May 22, 2012, 11:20:18 AM

Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 22, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)


I Gus Poyet
You Gus Poyet
He/She/It Gus Poyet


Yes.


He/She/It Gus PoyetS


Tsk!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
Mourinho will be Man Utd's next manager. Anyone putting cash on someone else is mad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: seanthevillan on May 22, 2012, 11:22:01 AM
Interesting article about the technical/sporting director role in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/21/lee-congerton-interview).

I think its a shame we ruled this out (or appear to have ruled it out). One of the most obvious problems in the last 3 seasons, and actually during O'Neill's reign, is a lack of continuity - playing style if there was one has been ripped up each year.

It took almost a season to get Houllier's method anything like working (Blackburn at home when Makoun ran the show?), then out he goes, in comes the opposite, frozen out players defrosted etc etc.

The technical director role guards against this, and also against the kind of spending which got Randy/us into trouble. It might be trying to bolt the gate closed when the horse is already happily frolicking around but at least the same thing wouldn't happen again if we appoint a good one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 22, 2012, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 22, 2012, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.
I get the feeling that Solskjær will come in with a big broom and see straight through all the prima donnas.

If it's a really big broom he'll need someone to help him hold it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 22, 2012, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 11:06:10 AM
Yes, the whole place needs a good kick up the arse.
Anybody who wants la dolce vita can do one.

He'll be needing a chair to stand on then, especially with some of the taller lads.

Plus, if he's planning on kicking Richard Dunne's arse, he'll probably wanna go with a run-up...and a spring board.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 22, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: Bad English on May 22, 2012, 11:20:18 AM

Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 22, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 08:34:47 AM
Is Gus Poyet a verb now? ;)


I Gus Poyet
You Gus Poyet
He/She/It Gus Poyet


Yes.


He/She/It Gus PoyetS


Tsk!

Incorrect. I was merely defining the use of Gus Poyet in the past tense.

Obviously if I was indicating the present tense I would state:

I Gus Poye
You Gus Poye
He/She/It Gus Poyes

The future perfect progressive on the other hand is:

I will have been Gus Poyeting
You will have been Gus Poyeting
He/She/It will have been Gus Poyeting

Remember: i before e except after Dennis Wise.

I hope that clears things up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2012, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 22, 2012, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Last week I read Gabby saying how much the team would like Kevin Mac to get the job, how qualified he is, etc etc.

My immediate thought was that they want their cushy routine affected as little as possible, hence going for the path of least resistance, ie someone who is already there.
I get the feeling that Solskjær will come in with a big broom and see straight through all the prima donnas.

He (or whoever else it ends up being) needs to.  McLeish was a poor manager, but he wasn't the only problem at he club by a long way.  There needs to be some very harsh words spoken this summer, and if people don't respond, a big clear out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 11:47:44 AM
Norweigian is a little harsh sounding. But maybe getting a few orcs in will drive the message home.

Seriously though, I can imagine OGS just walking around randomly pointing at players and saying "Nonce"... "Unclefucker"... "Bluenose"... "Scuttering eejit"...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
I watched a great Norwegian film recently, Troll Hunter. A couple of trolls brought over would soon sort this bunch of tossers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 22, 2012, 11:50:33 AM
I would prefer Lambert, and would be quite excited about the new season with him on board assuming that there are funds available to buy at least three defenders and a ball winner for the midfield (without this whoever takes over will struggle).

If OGS gets the job then hopefully it would go well, but I would be very nervous going into the season with such an unproven manager. I don't know enough about him to form a view on how good he is, whereas Lambert is obviously talented.

Lambert has done very well in England with two clubs now, and has improved every year. He has mainly bought younger players and knows how to get the best from them. He is also tactically sound, and a good motivator.

Not fussed on Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
I watched a great Norwegian film recently, Troll Hunter. A couple of trolls brought over would soon sort this bunch of tossers.

That's on my 'to see' list.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dicedlam on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 22, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
It's all very well and good getting a 'new broom' Manager in but lets not forget that the Manager will need significant financial backing and moral support from the board.

That means it's not only the like of Dunne and Gabby that need to drastically raise their game - Randy and Faulkner will too because their efforts over the last couple of years has been piss poor.

We need to be invigorated not only on the Park but also in the Boardroom just as much imo.

The new appointment should only be the start.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2012, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.

Quite correct.

Also, if OGS has a figure in mind for what he needs to spend, and he's the sort of bloke who will already have chewed that over no doubt, he'll have raised that in the interview.

He'll get money to spend. I also think he might have a fair idea how to use it too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.

I also agree.  Some of the players have hidden behind the manager's unpopularity the last year, they won't have that excuse again if they appoint OGS.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
I do get the feeling Randy is willing to spend again.  Probably not excessively, but the new manager will be given some backing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 22, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: Rissø on May 22, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.

I also agree.  Some of the players have hidden behind the manager's unpopularity the last year, they won't have that excuse again if they appoint OGS.

TBF, when AML pointed this out many accused him of making excuses. 

I actually agreed with him - still deserved the boot though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DB on May 22, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on May 22, 2012, 11:50:33 AM
I would prefer Lambert, and would be quite excited about the new season with him on board assuming that there are funds available to buy at least three defenders and a ball winner for the midfield (without this whoever takes over will struggle).

If OGS gets the job then hopefully it would go well, but I would be very nervous going into the season with such an unproven manager. I don't know enough about him to form a view on how good he is, whereas Lambert is obviously talented.

Lambert has done very well in England with two clubs now, and has improved every year. He has mainly bought younger players and knows how to get the best from them. He is also tactically sound, and a good motivator.

Not fussed on Martinez.

Agreed.
Although I would expnad on Martinez and hopes he ends up at L-pool. I really don't get the fuss over him.
OGS would be like a blind date, eiither you get there and she is a stunna with massive norks who can't keep her hands of you....or you realise it was a mistake and go home to watch Babestation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pedro25 on May 22, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
Had a strange dream last night it will be Poyet, which would be ok i guess.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: lovejoy on May 22, 2012, 12:23:36 PM
Poyet no way. Mid table championship team and failed with wise at Leeds.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 22, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 22, 2012, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: Rissø on May 22, 2012, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.

I also agree.  Some of the players have hidden behind the manager's unpopularity the last year, they won't have that excuse again if they appoint OGS.

TBF, when AML pointed this out many accused him of making excuses. 

I actually agreed with him - still deserved the boot though.

Yup he did.

Unfortunately a lot of the responses from my fecless mates were " its the training" , "its the tactics" etc etc

Now I am not absolving Eck from all blame but shades of grey give players places to hide. And my god this spineless lot took advantage!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 22, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
I like others are more excited by OGS than i am lambert - mainly due to its a gamble and a venture into the unknown but there have been a history of many great players being a perfect fit to be a manager yet not being able to do it (Wierdly more of them from United than anyone else - Kidd / Charlton / Bruce / keane / Ince)

If it was purely on footballing CV in management then you should look no further than Lambert

What i do think however is that whoever it is they will need a welcome like that which MON got to make them feel at home and supported from the start. Not only will that endear them to us but also show them fucking players that there is now no hiding place left for them.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 22, 2012, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 22, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
What i do think however is that whoever it is they will need a welcome like that which MON got to make them feel at home and supported from the start. Not only will that endear them to us but also show them fucking players that there is now no hiding place left for them.

100% correct.  The MON welcome energised everyone, not sure the next appointment can recapture that level of optimism but i'td be great if it could.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 22, 2012, 12:23:36 PM
Poyet no way. Mid table championship team and failed with wise at Leeds.

Racism apologist, too.





*clenches fist* right, kids?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Whoever it is, there are a lot of players who could be potentially lined up against the wall for the firing squad. Also it's make or break time for Gabby, he was fucking dreadful at the end of the season and his attitude was appalling. He's too old to talk about potential now and needs to perform consistently well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Whoever it is, there are a lot of players who could be potentially lined up against the wall for the firing squad. Also it's make or break time for Gabby, he was fucking dreadful at the end of the season and his attitude was appalling. He's too old to talk about potential now and needs to perform consistently well.

The club needs fundamental change, from top to bottom.

One thing I do hope is that OGS gets help where he needs it. I also hope Lerner backs him with money, rather than thinking "did well with Man U youth team, so he can work with kids, so he can just use the ones we have".

We've got a major squad rebuild to start doing ASAP this summer, he has got to be backed.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Whoever it is, there are a lot of players who could be potentially lined up against the wall for the firing squad. Also it's make or break time for Gabby, he was fucking dreadful at the end of the season and his attitude was appalling. He's too old to talk about potential now and needs to perform consistently well.

The club needs fundamental change, from top to bottom.

One thing I do hope is that OGS gets help where he needs it. I also hope Lerner backs him with money, rather than thinking "did well with Man U youth team, so he can work with kids, so he can just use the ones we have".

We've got a major squad rebuild to start doing ASAP this summer, he has got to be backed.

Yes there does need to be a decent net spend to turn us around. A focus on young and hungry players, rather than over the hill has beens happy to collect their ridiculous wages(numerous examples of those at Villa over recent years.)
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2012, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
I watched a great Norwegian film recently, Troll Hunter. A couple of trolls brought over would soon sort this bunch of tossers.


they would be better at center backs , than the ones we have at the moment
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 22, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: dicemæn on May 22, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
OGS seems the type of bloke who wont stand any crap, or for being a lazy arse.
I can see him rattling a few cages here and deservedly so.


Also OGS will have one important tool to use against the players that the last 2 managers havent had........the full support and backing of the fan base.

I fully believe that the players have hid in the last 2 regimes, happy to not put their all in as they can blame the manager. This won't happen again.

they were all happy to pick up their big wages while talking in the media now and again with the same old shite .
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2012, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2012, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
I watched a great Norwegian film recently, Troll Hunter. A couple of trolls brought over would soon sort this bunch of tossers.


they would be better at center backs , than the ones we have at the moment


I dunno they share similarities with our centre halves, they turn to stone in sunlight.
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Post by: wookster on May 22, 2012, 12:39:47 PM
How dare we talk to one of Manures favorite sons http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1519990_aston-villa-talks-tarnish-ole-gunnar-solskjaers-status-as-molde-legend (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1519990_aston-villa-talks-tarnish-ole-gunnar-solskjaers-status-as-molde-legend)
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2012, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 22, 2012, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 22, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
What i do think however is that whoever it is they will need a welcome like that which MON got to make them feel at home and supported from the start. Not only will that endear them to us but also show them fucking players that there is now no hiding place left for them.

100% correct.  The MON welcome energised everyone, not sure the next appointment can recapture that level of optimism but i'td be great if it could.

I was over the moon with MON ( at the time ) , and it had a lot to do with a new owner  with money too , looled like a great future.   

But to be fair , I am really excited with OGS and his style of football, with MON , I knew his football in the past had been dire  , I just want to be entertained a little ;)
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2012, 12:51:07 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: P'oleWinch on May 22, 2012, 12:29:56 PM
Whoever it is, there are a lot of players who could be potentially lined up against the wall for the firing squad. Also it's make or break time for Gabby, he was fucking dreadful at the end of the season and his attitude was appalling. He's too old to talk about potential now and needs to perform consistently well.

The club needs fundamental change, from top to bottom.

One thing I do hope is that OGS gets help where he needs it. I also hope Lerner backs him with money, rather than thinking "did well with Man U youth team, so he can work with kids, so he can just use the ones we have".

We've got a major squad rebuild to start doing ASAP this summer, he has got to be backed.

Agree Paulie.  Not only did the players hide behind McLeish and let him take flak, but so did Lerner and Faulkner.  Faulkner made things even worse by saying that he expected Villa to finish 6th, which was never going to happen.  If they do appoint OGS then they have to not only back him with funds but also in the media.   
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 22, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
As a very learned scholar told me, "Give a player an excuse and he'll take it." Good point about fan support- Houllier even got blamed for getting them fit.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
I can confirm Mourinho will not be joining us. He has signed an extension at Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
I can confirm Mourinho will not be joining us. He has signed an extension at Real Madrid.

Liverpool fans will be (hilariously) disappointed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 22, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2012, 12:36:22 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
I watched a great Norwegian film recently, Troll Hunter. A couple of trolls brought over would soon sort this bunch of tossers.


they would be better at center backs , than the ones we have at the moment

Probably eat less too.
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Post by: OCD on May 22, 2012, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
I can confirm Mourinho will not be joining us. He has signed an extension at Real Madrid.

Hopes well and truly dashed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 22, 2012, 01:22:28 PM
If we get OGS, let's just hope the dullards running the club back him, the side needs major surgery and it can't be done on the chaep.

Acquiring a new Manager is just half the battle.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2012, 01:23:05 PM
Jose probably heard Ole was in the frame for the Villa job and thought "Fuck it - may as well stay at Real now!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:24:36 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
I can confirm Mourinho will not be joining us. He has signed an extension at Real Madrid.

Liverpool fans will be (hilariously) disappointed.

When they get Martinez:



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Post by: VillaAlways on May 22, 2012, 01:42:10 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/05/22/domingos-paciencia-interested-in-aston-villa-manager%e2%80%99s-job/
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Post by: Dave P on May 22, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
The quality of canditates this year is so much better then last year.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2012, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 22, 2012, 01:22:28 PM
If we get OGS, let's just hope the dullards running the club back him, the side needs major surgery and it can't be done on the chaep.

Acquiring a new Manager is just half the battle.

Spot on. The next poll should be how much backing will he get...once he is in of course.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 22, 2012, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: P'Ole Gunnar Wælnuts on May 22, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 22, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
I can confirm Mourinho will not be joining us. He has signed an extension at Real Madrid.

Liverpool fans will be (hilariously) disappointed.

A two year extension could set up Jose perfectly to succeed Siralex
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2012, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: OggyAlways on May 22, 2012, 01:42:10 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/05/22/domingos-paciencia-interested-in-aston-villa-manager%e2%80%99s-job/

My mom had all his albums.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
Quote from: Dave P on May 22, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
The quality of canditates this year is so much better then last year.

the attitude at the club is significantly better than last year. Last year seemed desperate in the extreme. This year I think they've realised that while the finances aren't perfect, and there are still some obvious MON contract cuts to make (Dunne, Warnock, Collins possibly) that they need to reinvest in the club to drive revenues up. The types of manager that we are attracting will all galvanise the club and fans. The ones they went after last summer simply bought into their austerity vision. No potential manager wants to be told, "many of the players here are wankers, sell them if you can but not for nothing, and by the way, you have fuck all to spend". Is it any surprise that McLeish saw that as a step up from his previous employer?

Villa is a very attractive option now because of that, and because any new manager is taking us on from the jaws of hell. The only way is up, and with proper backing, which they will all want and I'm sure they'll get, we can in short time be every bit as successful as Newcastle was last year. Or at least see the momentum shift to put us on that trajectory. Liverpool by comparison isn't as attractive. They blew their wad on crap, and the board there are somewhat is an austerity position while trying to attract an appropriate manager to carry that out with the backdrop of supporters enraged because they think they are Barcelona and should be getting Guardiola and the like. Much, much tougher job to fill.
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Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
Another candidate  (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/22/jose-mourinho-real-madrid-contract)takes himself out of the reckoning  ;D
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Post by: Damo70 on May 22, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
I just hope RL and PF won't be impressed by someone who claims he can do the job on the cheap and put off by someone who will be up front about how big a rebuilding job needs to be done.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
Which candidate has taken himself out effdee (for short)?
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Post by: danlanza on May 22, 2012, 03:07:05 PM
I take it all those of you who have put the Norwegian slant on your names are going to pay for your season tickets in Krona? Or Herrings or Moose steaks...........There's an idea for the half time grub!
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Post by: danlanza on May 22, 2012, 03:08:45 PM
"Weather is crap again"

"Reindeer?"
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Post by: danlanza on May 22, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
I will get my coat!
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Post by: TheSandman on May 22, 2012, 10:51:44 PM
So we're back here now.

Lambert or Martinez for me now. Unless, that is, the board have another candidate up their sleeves.
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Post by: not3bad on May 22, 2012, 11:15:13 PM
Well, I think OGS WAS the one up their sleeves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2012, 11:58:46 PM
Martinez or Poyet now for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 23, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Ken Dodd's Dad's Dog please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 23, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Ken Dodd's Dad's Dog please.

Ken Dodd's Dads dogs dead!
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
I have people I really don't want. Grayson, Di Matteo, Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy....
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
I have people I really don't want. Grayson, Di Matteo, Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy....

I'd have Bruce Wayne from that list, but that's about it.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2012, 12:15:51 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
I have people I really don't want. Grayson, Di Matteo, Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy....

I totally and utterly agree with you on every one of them!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 12:46:30 AM
Alright then.

Want: Rodgers, AVB, OGS (I am hoping still!)
Kinda ok but not very exciting: Martinez, Lambert.
Dont want: The usual crew of boring lower / mid table grafters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 12:51:38 AM
Just over a week ago, Paul Lambert was being serenaded by 1000's of Villa fans!

Seems like more than a month ago!

What about that chap who was 2nd at Porto(?), in the news yesterday? (Domingos Paciencia (sp)
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
well now the crappy league manu supersub is out the way, i reckon its lambert. Steady but too much like MON imo. hoping for rodgers, or someone else not on OTR
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Post by: unclefabio on May 23, 2012, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
I have people I really don't want. Grayson, Di Matteo, Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy....

Fancy the coach who just won the FA Cup and Champions League? Nah mate, I'd rather have the manager of Norwich City.

Fair enough re: the other names on the list, but di Matteo has more credentials than anyone else being linked to us. You could make the Avram Grant argument, but the Chelsea of 2008 were far better than the Chelsea of 2012. Plus he did a good job at Albion - got them promoted, would probably have kept them up (they were outside the relegation zone when he was sacked). If I remember correctly, he led a newly promoted MK Dons team straight into the playoffs too. I'd certainly have him.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
well now the crappy league manu supersub is out the way, i reckon its lambert. Steady but too much like MON imo. hoping for rodgers, or someone else not on OTR

Disagree about OGS but agree with who you want. It really would be hard for me to get much enthusiasm up for Lamberts style of football.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 01:08:22 AM
Everybody has turned down Liverpool, at the moment.
We're ahead!

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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 23, 2012, 01:10:14 AM
Quote from: Stu on May 23, 2012, 12:03:19 AM
Ken Dodd's Dad's Dog please.

Ken Dodd left his Tax arrangements to his appointed and trusted Diddy men..so he told the IR..
Diddy Paye and Diddy f*ck!

Ole ole ole..no one else in the frame!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
well now the crappy league manu supersub is out the way, i reckon its lambert. Steady but too much like MON imo. hoping for rodgers, or someone else not on OTR

Disagree about OGS but agree with who you want. It really would be hard for me to get much enthusiasm up for Lamberts style of football.

What about Martinez?  He has a lot of the attributes that people were praising in OGS (i.e. good style of football, intelligent, good knowledge of foreign transfer markets) and has at least been around the Premiership for a few years albeit has not had too much success.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
We could go after AVB.  Or Roberto Di Matteo - he's just won a European Cup.

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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 01:55:14 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:53:53 AM
well now the crappy league manu supersub is out the way, i reckon its lambert. Steady but too much like MON imo. hoping for rodgers, or someone else not on OTR

Disagree about OGS but agree with who you want. It really would be hard for me to get much enthusiasm up for Lamberts style of football.

What about Martinez?  He has a lot of the attributes that people were praising in OGS (i.e. good style of football, intelligent, good knowledge of foreign transfer markets) and has at least been around the Premiership for a few years albeit has not had too much success.

I could be cool with Martinez. I do worry he is overhyped by the media though. But yeah if it was Martinez vs Lambert I would go for Martinez, just. I really doubt we are talking to him though, unless Whelan has caught tact from someone all of a sudden :)
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 01:56:44 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
We could go after AVB.  Or Roberto Di Matteo - he's just won a European Cup.

If he does get moved on by Chelsea and we were still without a manager, surely it is only logical to assume that he would come into the thinking?  Not too sure about him myself (particularly after his tenure at West Brom), but I'm sure he would be a candidate.   
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 01:59:36 AM
I'd rather have Martinez or Rodgers than Lambert. Or Paciencia. Or many people really.

Of course if he comes I'll be 100% supportive, but I might just be the least enthusiastic about the potential appointment of Lambert. He's not a bad manager, and would certainly do better than McLeish (I mean, come on), but he wouldn't restore the good times at Villa - he'd restore the doldrums. Like MON or Hitzfeld, but with no money, which means pragmatic, often dull football, especially at home, with an over-reliance on set-pieces, long-balls, crosses and counter-attacks.

I'd definitely prefer Rodgers to Martinez, because I think he has much more steel and drive about him and the way he approaches tactics, but Martinez essentially plays the game in a more entertaining fashion as well. There is no 'right way' to play the game in general, but the best way for us is the more entertaining managers approach to football, because we desperately need a bit of vibrancy and a bit of, sometimes reckless, entertainment. I'd rather finish 10th with a goal difference of -1 having scored 70 and conceded 71 than finish 9th with a +1 scoring 38 and conceding 37. I think Lambert is more likely to deliver the latter than the former.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:22:55 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 01:59:36 AM
I'd rather have Martinez or Rodgers than Lambert. Or Paciencia. Or many people really.

Of course if he comes I'll be 100% supportive, but I might just be the least enthusiastic about the potential appointment of Lambert. He's not a bad manager, and would certainly do better than McLeish (I mean, come on), but he wouldn't restore the good times at Villa - he'd restore the doldrums. Like MON or Hitzfeld, but with no money, which means pragmatic, often dull football, especially at home, with an over-reliance on set-pieces, long-balls, crosses and counter-attacks.

I'd definitely prefer Rodgers to Martinez, because I think he has much more steel and drive about him and the way he approaches tactics, but Martinez essentially plays the game in a more entertaining fashion as well. There is no 'right way' to play the game in general, but the best way for us is the more entertaining managers approach to football, because we desperately need a bit of vibrancy and a bit of, sometimes reckless, entertainment. I'd rather finish 10th with a goal difference of -1 having scored 70 and conceded 71 than finish 9th with a +1 scoring 38 and conceding 37. I think Lambert is more likely to deliver the latter than the former.

Monty, as you probably know, I personally don't share your reservations about Lambert.  I think there is a world of difference between playing balls up to a front man's chest and feet and playing from there, and aimless hoofing up the pitch.  Graham Taylor was often criticised for being a long ball manager, but his style of play suited us well and brought good results first time round.  I guess it all comes down to the type of football you personally prefer really.   

 

 

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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:22:55 AM
Monty, as you probably know, I personally don't share your reservations about Lambert.  I think there is a world of difference between playing balls up to a front man's chest and feet and playing from there, and aimless hoofing up the pitch.  Graham Taylor was often criticised for being a long ball manager, but his style of play suited us well and brought good results first time round.  I guess it all comes down to the type of football you personally prefer really.   

Not just that, but what works at the time. If GT came along and tried to introduce that football now, he'd be laughed out of town - the game has moved well beyond it. And it's not that Lambert is a hoofball merchant like Pulis or Allardyce, but that he prefers to react to the opposition and play long balls on the counter-attack, like Hitzfeld and MON in their own different ways. That kind of football has a limited shelf-life, and it wouldn't be long before we get stuck in the doldrums - again.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:35:03 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:22:55 AM
Monty, as you probably know, I personally don't share your reservations about Lambert.  I think there is a world of difference between playing balls up to a front man's chest and feet and playing from there, and aimless hoofing up the pitch.  Graham Taylor was often criticised for being a long ball manager, but his style of play suited us well and brought good results first time round.  I guess it all comes down to the type of football you personally prefer really.   

Not just that, but what works at the time. If GT came along and tried to introduce that football now, he'd be laughed out of town - the game has moved well beyond it. And it's not that Lambert is a hoofball merchant like Pulis or Allardyce, but that he prefers to react to the opposition and play long balls on the counter-attack, like Hitzfeld and MON in their own different ways. That kind of football has a limited shelf-life, and it wouldn't be long before we get stuck in the doldrums - again.

But isn't that a bit like the football Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea play?  They seem to get the ball forward quite quickly and in the case of Spurs and Man Utd still favour traditional wingers at times.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:43:11 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:35:03 AM
But isn't that a bit like the football Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea play?  They seem to get the ball forward quite quickly and in the case of Spurs and Man Utd still favour traditional wingers at times.

Chelsea I grant you, but the fact that they play that way after spending infinite money is a bit embarrassing, to be honest. At least Man City have the decency to be easy on the eye.

And I'm not excluding fairly traditional wingers like Nani, Young, Valencia, Lennon and Bale. But United certainly do not 'get the ball forward quickly', and their wingers are often utilised cutting inside and in the inside positions, rather than really 'wide'. Spurs are the exception, I grant you, and they actually finished second in the long ball ranks - but this is a bit misleading, as Modric was their biggest player of what the stats call 'long-balls', so it probably included 40-yard balls to feet for the wingers. Plus Spurs, as I say, are the exception to the rule, and often rely on sheer individual talent rather than teamwork, and perhaps aren't a model to follow.
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Post by: achilles on May 23, 2012, 02:51:22 AM
To be fair to Martinez he realised at Wigan that the team's formation needed changing due to poor results and was adroit enough to change it for the better and produced results that ultimately saved them from relegation. On that basis alone he could be ideal for Villa, to get the best out of the current players, who aren't as bad as our position leads us to believe! The downside is that he has already turned us down once so are we REALLY going to go after him again?

I just hope that the board surprise me in a positive way and NOT in the way of the last appointment... I live in hope!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:57:30 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:43:11 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:35:03 AM
But isn't that a bit like the football Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea play?  They seem to get the ball forward quite quickly and in the case of Spurs and Man Utd still favour traditional wingers at times.

Chelsea I grant you, but the fact that they play that way after spending infinite money is a bit embarrassing, to be honest. At least Man City have the decency to be easy on the eye.

And I'm not excluding fairly traditional wingers like Nani, Young, Valencia, Lennon and Bale. But United certainly do not 'get the ball forward quickly', and their wingers are often utilised cutting inside and in the inside positions, rather than really 'wide'. Spurs are the exception, I grant you, and they actually finished second in the long ball ranks - but this is a bit misleading, as Modric was their biggest player of what the stats call 'long-balls', so it probably included 40-yard balls to feet for the wingers. Plus Spurs, as I say, are the exception to the rule, and often rely on sheer individual talent rather than teamwork, and perhaps aren't a model to follow.

I must admit that most of my Villa supporting friends and colleagues want to see good football more than anything else next season (as long as we don't go down doing it!!).  I like Lambert, but I would also not be adverse to Martinez or Rodgers.  If I'm being honest, I would prefer Martinez over Rodgers, as he has built an entire structure and way of playing at more than one club whereas Rodgers has struggled to do that at other clubs before Swansea.  Although Martinez has hardly set the world alight at Wigan, he could be somebody I could see coming in and wanting to make fundamental changes to the club, including the Academy (apparently all teams at Wigan from the first team down play the same way) and get us playing a certain way.  Will the heirarchy at the club want that?

In all honesty though, I can't see us getting any of those managers and I wouldn't have thought any of them actually applied for the job.       
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 03:02:33 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:57:30 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:43:11 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:35:03 AM
But isn't that a bit like the football Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea play?  They seem to get the ball forward quite quickly and in the case of Spurs and Man Utd still favour traditional wingers at times.

Chelsea I grant you, but the fact that they play that way after spending infinite money is a bit embarrassing, to be honest. At least Man City have the decency to be easy on the eye.

And I'm not excluding fairly traditional wingers like Nani, Young, Valencia, Lennon and Bale. But United certainly do not 'get the ball forward quickly', and their wingers are often utilised cutting inside and in the inside positions, rather than really 'wide'. Spurs are the exception, I grant you, and they actually finished second in the long ball ranks - but this is a bit misleading, as Modric was their biggest player of what the stats call 'long-balls', so it probably included 40-yard balls to feet for the wingers. Plus Spurs, as I say, are the exception to the rule, and often rely on sheer individual talent rather than teamwork, and perhaps aren't a model to follow.

I must admit that most of my Villa supporting friends and colleagues want to see good football more than anything else next season (as long as we don't go down doing it!!).  I like Lambert, but I would also not be adverse to Martinez or Rodgers.  If I'm being honest, I would prefer Martinez over Rodgers, as he has built an entire structure and way of playing at more than one club whereas Rodgers has struggled to do that at other clubs before Swansea.  Although Martinez has hardly set the world alight at Wigan, he could be somebody I could see coming in and wanting to make fundamental changes to the club, including the Academy (apparently all teams at Wigan from the first team down play the same way) and get us playing a certain way.  Will the heirarchy at the club want that?

In all honesty though, I can't see us getting any of those managers and I wouldn't have thought any of them actually applied for the job.       

Uhuh? Interesting. Hand on heart then - who do you think will be our next manager?
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Post by: Hoppo on May 23, 2012, 03:06:33 AM
Paul Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 03:02:33 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:57:30 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 02:43:11 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 02:35:03 AM
But isn't that a bit like the football Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea play?  They seem to get the ball forward quite quickly and in the case of Spurs and Man Utd still favour traditional wingers at times.

Chelsea I grant you, but the fact that they play that way after spending infinite money is a bit embarrassing, to be honest. At least Man City have the decency to be easy on the eye.

And I'm not excluding fairly traditional wingers like Nani, Young, Valencia, Lennon and Bale. But United certainly do not 'get the ball forward quickly', and their wingers are often utilised cutting inside and in the inside positions, rather than really 'wide'. Spurs are the exception, I grant you, and they actually finished second in the long ball ranks - but this is a bit misleading, as Modric was their biggest player of what the stats call 'long-balls', so it probably included 40-yard balls to feet for the wingers. Plus Spurs, as I say, are the exception to the rule, and often rely on sheer individual talent rather than teamwork, and perhaps aren't a model to follow.

I must admit that most of my Villa supporting friends and colleagues want to see good football more than anything else next season (as long as we don't go down doing it!!).  I like Lambert, but I would also not be adverse to Martinez or Rodgers.  If I'm being honest, I would prefer Martinez over Rodgers, as he has built an entire structure and way of playing at more than one club whereas Rodgers has struggled to do that at other clubs before Swansea.  Although Martinez has hardly set the world alight at Wigan, he could be somebody I could see coming in and wanting to make fundamental changes to the club, including the Academy (apparently all teams at Wigan from the first team down play the same way) and get us playing a certain way.  Will the heirarchy at the club want that?

In all honesty though, I can't see us getting any of those managers and I wouldn't have thought any of them actually applied for the job.       

Uhuh? Interesting. Hand on heart then - who do you think will be our next manager?

Honestly do not have a clue at this point Monty and wouldn't want to even guess on the evidence of our last two appointments!!  How about you?  Just can't see Rodgers wanting to leave Swansea at this point, would be amazed if Lambert has not spoken to O'Neill about the job and had his cards marked and can't see Martinez doing a u-turn after turning us down last summer.

I'm just glad it is the cricket season, so I can divert my attention away from all this!!
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Post by: KRS on May 23, 2012, 03:11:15 AM
Villa isnt a big enough club for DWs love child...he's destined to manage the best and biggest clubs in Europe dont you know?!

Lambert and Rodgers are the only candidates worth considering from the PL, so hopefully the club have identified other targets that can raise the same level of excitement and imagination as the OGS saga did.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 03:19:46 AM
A good chance that some of the names put up in jest will now come into the frame.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 03:27:32 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
Honestly do not have a clue at this point Monty and wouldn't want to even guess on the evidence of our last two appointments!!  How about you?  Just can't see Rodgers wanting to leave Swansea at this point, would be amazed if Lambert has not spoken to O'Neill about the job and had his cards marked and can't see Martinez doing a u-turn after turning us down last summer.

I'm just glad it is the cricket season, so I can divert my attention away from all this!!

You know I was just thinking the same this afternoon. Don't get this bullshit in cricket!

It's an interesting point you raise about Lambert there - while he is his own man, there's no doubt he'd seek advice, and MON's wouldn't be favourable. However, he is clever enough to know MON's bias.

Obviously, I don't particularly want him. I can see it being Martinez maybe, as he'd get more control with us than under the new, strict regime at Liverpool (which is doomed to failure, no question).

Honestly, my gut instinct says Lambert, but I'm a natural pessimist who assumes that the one thing I don't want to happen will happen. Ultimately, it's very disappointing for us that OGS has decided it's not the gig for him right now. He seemed the obvious appointment to me. I'd like to think we're going just as adventurous with the alternatives - Paciencia, Sandoval of Rayo Vallecano, Robin Dutt - but I think the board's natural conservatism will prevail and Lambert will be offered it. The question will be, then, if he wants it.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 03:45:51 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 03:27:32 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
Honestly do not have a clue at this point Monty and wouldn't want to even guess on the evidence of our last two appointments!!  How about you?  Just can't see Rodgers wanting to leave Swansea at this point, would be amazed if Lambert has not spoken to O'Neill about the job and had his cards marked and can't see Martinez doing a u-turn after turning us down last summer.

I'm just glad it is the cricket season, so I can divert my attention away from all this!!

You know I was just thinking the same this afternoon. Don't get this bullshit in cricket!

It's an interesting point you raise about Lambert there - while he is his own man, there's no doubt he'd seek advice, and MON's wouldn't be favourable. However, he is clever enough to know MON's bias.

Obviously, I don't particularly want him. I can see it being Martinez maybe, as he'd get more control with us than under the new, strict regime at Liverpool (which is doomed to failure, no question).

Honestly, my gut instinct says Lambert, but I'm a natural pessimist who assumes that the one thing I don't want to happen will happen. Ultimately, it's very disappointing for us that OGS has decided it's not the gig for him right now. He seemed the obvious appointment to me. I'd like to think we're going just as adventurous with the alternatives - Paciencia, Sandoval of Rayo Vallecano, Robin Dutt - but I think the board's natural conservatism will prevail and Lambert will be offered it. The question will be, then, if he wants it.

Yes the tranquil world of cricket seems a million miles from all this nonsense!!  Not that I want him, but I really wouldn't be surprised if we are linked heavily with Di Matteo should he leave Chelsea. 
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 05:32:14 AM
Glenn hoddle anyone?

Granted he's been out of the game a while but a more credible option than keV mac or Grayson in my view.
Nobody really foresaw the solksjaer change of mind after he had said he wanted the job, molde even leaked his comments saying he would take it if offered but it's not to be and I'd rather we appoint someone whose desperately keen to manage the club than someone whose not sure.

Another day , another dollar and I'm sure some press and media will be laughing at us but as mr ant once said ridicule is nothing to be scared of!
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 23, 2012, 06:06:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 05:32:14 AM
Glenn hoddle anyone?

Are you taking the piss?
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Post by: Jarpie on May 23, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 05:32:14 AM
Glenn hoddle anyone?

Granted he's been out of the game a while but a more credible option than keV mac or Grayson in my view.
Nobody really foresaw the solksjaer change of mind after he had said he wanted the job, molde even leaked his comments saying he would take it if offered but it's not to be and I'd rather we appoint someone whose desperately keen to manage the club than someone whose not sure.

Another day , another dollar and I'm sure some press and media will be laughing at us but as mr ant once said ridicule is nothing to be scared of!

Glenn Hoddle? Fuck no. Don't you remember the debacle with his "You're going to sleep 10 PM!" stuff with national team?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:32:03 AM
Lambert saying after last nights game he's very happy at Norwich- sky reporting Grayson now joint favourite- I'd take hoddle over Grayson anyday.

Grayson was sacked at Leeds and I don't think has the credentials for the job, worrying as the names we'd like seem to be dropping one by one.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:36:35 AM
No one would welcome Hoddle or Grayson now.

The board, which I am sure they are aware as well as everyone else, have to appoint a manager that will sit well with the fans now. OGS had over 80% approval and would have been unique in that, but I am sure Lambert would enjoy similar now, and Martinez probably above 50% now. Hell even Poyet would.

Grayson, no more than 25% I would guess, and Hoddle less. If not Ole, which it appears not to be, although by all reports he has not been made an actual offer to say no too, so we can't be totally sure, then we have to get someone else that captures the imagination.

The one thing I think we have to accept now though is that Liverpool may have to appoint before us, as if they don't appoint Martinez he is our man.
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 23, 2012, 06:36:48 AM
Grayson!! Offers absolutely nothing for me.

Must confess OGS did wet my appetite and apart from Lambert I'm struggling to get excited by anyone else. This is a massive test for Randy and Co now, the pressure is on. 
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:41:53 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 23, 2012, 06:36:48 AM
Grayson!! Offers absolutely nothing for me.

Must confess OGS did wet my appetite and apart from Lambert I'm struggling to get excited by anyone else. This is a massive test for Randy and Co now, the pressure is on. 

I hope we may still tempt lambert but if not it's worrying.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 06:43:03 AM
starting to pan out worryingly like last year. If Grayson and OGS are the shortlist or a good part of it then its about time they got someone in who knows football to sort the appointment. Either that or what they're offering is so poor only the unproven and desperate will take it. Hopefully Grayson is another betting thing ala McCarthy.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 23, 2012, 06:48:21 AM
Don't understand the football style debate. Don't see how anyone could suggest manure or spuds play similar style football to mon??! I'd love to see a villaside with that sort of movement. I never have

I'd pick Rodgers over lambert. Less sure that poyet has done enough to make him preferable to lambert tho.

If it's Grayson, curbishley, Bruce, McCarthy, macdonald, hoddle or Bradley I'll be very disappointed.

I think Martinez or RDM are over hyped and a risk, but could have potential and would be much preferable to the names above.

But both the previous appts were pretty unexpected and the wrong choices. We'll probably go for George graham or Brian Kidd.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:49:32 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 06:43:03 AM
starting to pan out worryingly like last year. If Grayson and OGS are the shortlist or a good part of it then its about time they got someone in who knows football to sort the appointment. Either that or what they're offering is so poor only the unproven and desperate will take it. Hopefully Grayson is another betting thing ala McCarthy.

I agree about the similarities to last season, but not about OGS greg, he has a certain pedigree as being a very good young manager in the game so clearly they have tried being progressive, as they did with Martinez last summer.

But we ended with McLeish last summer. Plus with the fan support OGS had, he will have had more scope than a Grayson who would have a lot less time with the fans IMO. Plus the difficult players, under OGS, he could have said right, lets settle this with a medal haul comparison and pulled on that experience, Grayson can't.

Nope, for me the next best option is Poyet at the moment I have to say.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 23, 2012, 06:54:29 AM
I really hope we avoid the impression of last summer - fair or unfair - that randy and Paul had let it get to the day before the school prom and found everyone had either picked someone else or was being sniggered at by their mates. In the end they went for the ugly but boring and 'safe' ginger princess, who was desperate to get away from her abusive Neanderthal long term boyfriend, to the bemusement of all.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:57:32 AM
Pelty seemed sure we were in for others a couple of mornings back, so this may of course have come as little shock to the board, who may have not actually had all their eggs in this basket of course. Maybe they did learn from last summer, and we have got a good option ready to go.


Oh and not KMac either.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 07:00:04 AM
The rank stupidity of Lerner and Faulkner has me sweating over who the next man will be.
I wouldn't put it past those lame brains to appoint Bruce or Curbishley.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 23, 2012, 07:02:29 AM
I understand Brian Rix is available
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 07:02:34 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 07:00:04 AM
The rank stupidity of Lerner and Faulkner has me sweating over who the next man will be.
I wouldn't put it past those lame brains to appoint Bruce or Curbishley.


Curbishley is the logical McLeish appointment last year. Perceived safe hands.


Ole fitted the bill to what their statement said perfectly though. Lambert, Martinez, AVB still fit that. All still out there.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:03:48 AM
well its a nice thought but there's plenty of managers with loads of medals as a player who've had revolts. Think its more to do with your man-management skills and your ability to follow-through with discipline. The problem we've had mainly is anyone who causes trouble is unsellable and in some cases we haven't got anyone else.

 
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:49:32 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 06:43:03 AM
starting to pan out worryingly like last year. If Grayson and OGS are the shortlist or a good part of it then its about time they got someone in who knows football to sort the appointment. Either that or what they're offering is so poor only the unproven and desperate will take it. Hopefully Grayson is another betting thing ala McCarthy.

I agree about the similarities to last season, but not about OGS greg, he has a certain pedigree as being a very good young manager in the game so clearly they have tried being progressive, as they did with Martinez last summer.

But we ended with McLeish last summer. Plus with the fan support OGS had, he will have had more scope than a Grayson who would have a lot less time with the fans IMO. Plus the difficult players, under OGS, he could have said right, lets settle this with a medal haul comparison and pulled on that experience, Grayson can't.

Nope, for me the next best option is Poyet at the moment I have to say.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 07:12:04 AM
I'm still hoping the board are thinking outside the box, personally I don't think Lambert was/is interested which is why we didn't go in for him, after their comments we can't now go for a bog standard manager....can we?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 07:00:04 AM
The rank stupidity of Lerner and Faulkner has me sweating over who the next man will be.
I wouldn't put it past those lame brains to appoint Bruce or Curbishley.

I dont think they can be blamed for solksjaer changing his mind, heade it clear he wanted the job as moldes press statements confirmed but the change of heart was a shock no doubt.

I dont think lambert, martinez or rodgers would take the job so maybe poyet would be better than grayson.

Poyet / zola ?

Personally i would throw a package at lambert thst he would find hard to turn down in the hope of tempting  him , but its sad to hear the media ridiculing our job search for the 3 rd year running .

Doug may have his critics but he was damn good at tempting managers to villa.

Pelty did say though there were good options this time and solksjaer was not the the only one to impress , so all is not lost yet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 07:55:27 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 07:00:04 AM
The rank stupidity of Lerner and Faulkner has me sweating over who the next man will be.
I wouldn't put it past those lame brains to appoint Bruce or Curbishley.

I dont think they can be blamed for solksjaer changing his mind,

Not blaming them for that, i'm having a go at the constant balls ups since O'Neill left.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:06:29 AM
Betting is changing again, lambert now 100/30 fave, martinez 4/1 grayson 6/1.

The problem with martinez is we would orobably have to wait until liverpool make a decision before knowing if hes still available.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 08:07:23 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 07:55:27 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 07:00:04 AM
The rank stupidity of Lerner and Faulkner has me sweating over who the next man will be.
I wouldn't put it past those lame brains to appoint Bruce or Curbishley.

I dont think they can be blamed for solksjaer changing his mind,

Not blaming them for that, i'm having a go at the constant balls ups since O'Neill left.

Yes if only Randy had finished his heart surgery course at University, we'd still have Houllier in charge.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 08:09:14 AM
Just heard Lamberts interview from last night. He got really defensive when asked about his future,watch this space I reckon.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2012, 08:09:50 AM
Its just such a pity in the modern world that all this is played out in real time for everyone to see the stumblings and issues. I was getting info off mates who tweet before even sky sports news had anything

It ridiculous nowadays - i wish everyone would just leave them to get on with it and then we can comment
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 08:12:28 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:06:29 AM
Betting is changing again, lambert now 100/30 fave, martinez 4/1 grayson 6/1.

The problem with martinez is we would orobably have to wait until liverpool make a decision before knowing if hes still available.

martinez would be a mistake now. He had his chance and him turning up after Liverpool pick a new guy would reek of us being 2nd best. We may be in the pecking order of things but still, after last summer.....no way.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 08:09:14 AM
Just heard Lamberts interview from last night. He got really defensive when asked about his future,watch this space I reckon.

More angrier about being asked about holt as it was drurys testimonial and rightly as lambert said the night was about drury not anyone else- he was not prepared to discuss other things .

Definately doesnt look like a man to mess with or upset though- i would be delighted if we could tempt him here.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 23, 2012, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 23, 2012, 07:02:29 AM
I understand Brian Rix is available

A farcial suggestion.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Be positive, any of the list above is better than McLeish.
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Post by: drisaac on May 23, 2012, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 23, 2012, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 23, 2012, 07:02:29 AM
I understand Brian Rix is available

A farcial suggestion.

...it's just you remind me of Brian Rix
when you pull down your trousers it sends me in fits...

Havent heard that in years but its in my head for the day now

I can't think of a band name which is less appropriate to the Villa last season: "The Brilliant Corners"
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
I bet that student that put that £80 bet on Grayson is feeling confident today
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Be positive, any of the list above is better than McLeish.

Is the right answer
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Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 23, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Be positive, any of the list above is better than McLeish.

Is the right answer

any of the above list ..?
anyONE, let's face it !
i would be better...
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 23, 2012, 08:43:29 AM
Well Ive just got up and havent got time to go back through the overnight postings. But one thing occured to me. Solskjaer wants to manage in the Premiership and has a clause in his contract that allows him to do this. At some point then he and wife and the kids will have to leave Norway and move to England...agreed?

This doesnt hold up. We will never know of course but its possible Randy didnt offer him the assurances re finance to improve the club or then again the folks at home suddenly offered him a lot more.

Anything is possible. Liverpool could offer him a kings ransom to go to Anfield and he could accept.

However thats in the past and Randy has got to get us a manager.

Ive been with Lambert from day one but the thought of the club appointing Grayson makes me feel sick

Gus Poyet is a progressive talent worth considering.

For anyone considering Hoddle have you forgotten he was at Wolves where he was an unmitigated disaster of McCleish proportions!
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 08:46:17 AM
Poyet, Lambert, Martinez & Di Matteo have to be options.
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Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 23, 2012, 08:46:32 AM
PLEASE ! NOT Hoddle...
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Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 23, 2012, 08:49:20 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2012, 08:09:50 AM
Its just such a pity in the modern world that all this is played out in real time for everyone to see the stumblings and issues. I was getting info off mates who tweet before even sky sports news had anything

It ridiculous nowadays - i wish everyone would just leave them to get on with it and then we can comment

a fair point
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 23, 2012, 08:49:38 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
I bet that student that put that £80 bet on Grayson is feeling confident today

I will be seeing him later on today, so will ask.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:38:56 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Be positive, any of the list above is better than McLeish.

Is the right answer

Yeah,that's why I'm not too depressed,we're far better off than we were a couple of weeks ago.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
Not bloody Holloway.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
did we ever actually offer ogs the job?
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Post by: mrfuse on May 23, 2012, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
did we ever actually offer ogs the job?

according to the reports no we didnt
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Post by: willywombat on May 23, 2012, 08:59:32 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 08:54:59 AM
did we ever actually offer ogs the job?

Not according to the club, they've only admitted to having an informal discussion, though I must say flying someone to  Birmingham and then back to Norway just for an informal discussion is a bit mad. If I ever want an informal discussion with someone I'll generally pick up the phone
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Post by: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
If we can't get our preferred choices, how about KMac with a big name upstairs like SGT or BFR?

At least we know they love the club.
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Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2012, 09:06:32 AM
Given the way that the odds are fluctuating, it's clear nobody has a clue.

The 'insider' info from the likes of mysteryman show that it's really all just guesswork for everyone. I include Lerner and Faulkner in everyone.
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Post by: Jimbo on May 23, 2012, 09:07:06 AM
'Lambert distances himself from Villa job' according to 5Live. I can picture him teetering on a cliff at Lands End.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:13:48 AM
Can we please just hire a manager who isn't a twat and gets his teams to play good football.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 09:20:34 AM
That narrows it down then.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
Does a bit.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
Does a bit.

It does. Rules out Lambert for starters.

*dons tin hat*
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:24:41 AM
Rules out Holloway.
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Post by: maidstonevillain on May 23, 2012, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
Does a bit.

It does. Rules out Lambert for starters.

*dons tin hat*

And Moyes even.
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Post by: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
But not Domingos Paciencia.
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Post by: Monty on May 23, 2012, 09:30:20 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
But not Domingos Paciencia.

Well he might yet be a twat, but he doesn't seem to be.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 23, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Paulo Di Canio for me.

If we can't get Solskjaer, then I like someone who would be at least remotely interesting.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on May 23, 2012, 09:34:01 AM
Yep Nazis are interesting
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 23, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
Didn't kmac apply for it last time and they turned him down? Doubt he could've done a worse job than mcleish.

Given all the youngsters we've got in the squad and coming through, Pearce may be worth a shout. He'd sort the pissheads at the back pretty sharpish too I think.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:38:02 AM
No to Kmac. We need something to reinvigorate the club and that cannot come from within.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 09:38:30 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
If we can't get our preferred choices, how about KMac with a big name upstairs like SGT or BFR?

At least we know they love the club.

No! If he had all the players behind him and we still 6-0 at a newly promoted club then that tells me he is not the man for the job.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 23, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
Didn't kmac apply for it last time and they turned him down? Doubt he could've done a worse job than mcleish.

Given all the youngsters we've got in the squad and coming through, Pearce may be worth a shout. He'd sort the pissheads at the back pretty sharpish too I think.

I fear for us if he does. He is part of the problem. Our players need a kick up the backside and I think some of the seniors want KMac because they think it will easy street.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 09:41:23 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 23, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
Didn't kmac apply for it last time and they turned him down? Doubt he could've done a worse job than mcleish.

Given all the youngsters we've got in the squad and coming through, Pearce may be worth a shout. He'd sort the pissheads at the back pretty sharpish too I think.

I fear for us if he does. He is part of the problem. Our players need a kick up the backside and I think some of the seniors want KMac because they think it will easy street.

Agreed.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
Kmac would be a disaster.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
Kmac would be a disaster.

He would, as said previously we need someone to come in and change the entire philosophy of the club. That includes getting the senior players(whose attitude has been appalling) kicked straight up the arse. KMac is definitely not the man to do that and is not an option.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:45:36 AM

http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/05/23/Solskjaer-out-of-Villa-race/gnid-142984/

Lambert was quizzed about his future following Adam Drury's testimonial match at Carrow Road but he got angry with reporters when they pressed him over the vacancy at Aston Villa.
 
"There is no point asking me. I am telling you I am not answering it," he told reporters.
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Post by: Risso on May 23, 2012, 09:46:50 AM
An huge, massive no to MacDonald.  He's not up to being a manager, and had that "rabbit caught in the headlights" look about him last time.  We need a proper manager, and one who can shake the club up.  He is not that man.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:48:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 23, 2012, 09:46:50 AM
An huge, massive no to MacDonald.  He's not up to being a manager, and had that "rabbit caught in the headlights" look about him last time.  We need a proper manager, and one who can shake the club up.  He is not that man.

Yes it's fucking critical they get this right now and they are prompt about it. The likes of KMac and Grayson are a definite fucking no.
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Post by: Billy Walker on May 23, 2012, 09:48:23 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:38:02 AM
No to Kmac. We need something to reinvigorate the club and that cannot come from within.

Why not?  Look at what Guardiola did at Barcelona!
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
well Simon Grayson is joint favourite with Sky Bet at 3/1,

there must be something in the Grayson thing, wasnt there some ITK on him earlier in the week ?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Grayson, reinvigorate the club? Christ.
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Post by: pedro25 on May 23, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
Di Matteo would be good if Chelsea look elsewhere.
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Post by: ktvillan on May 23, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
I'm not sure about this approach of intervieiwng a number of candidates.  The traditional way was always to have a replacement manager in mind and go all guns blazing to secure his services.  It always seemed to be settled within a few days of the position becoming vacant.  This approach can make it appear as if they are dilly dallying and not sure  about who or what they want, and they can end up looking a bit daft as candidates pull out for one reason or another.     The Liverpool fans seem to be saying the same sorts of things, so maybe it's a peculiarly American way of doing things.  Still as long as we get a decent manager in the end, I suppose we shouldn't complain.   
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
If Simon Grayson is appointed manager, I'm going to go to a hypnotist to get them to make me forget that I'm Villa a fan, and hopefully then, I can get on with the rest of my life.
It's been a truly shite few years for us.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 09:56:01 AM
Who else is somewhat scared at the sort of candidates PF and RL will be looking at now?
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 23, 2012, 09:52:12 AM
Di Matteo would be good if Chelsea look elsewhere.

no,  he's achieved everything he's going to now, its all downhill from here,
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 09:55:51 AM
If Simon Grayson is appointed manager, I'm going to go to a hypnotist to get them to make make me forget that I'm Villa a fan, and hopefully then, I can get on with the rest of my life.
It's been a truly shite few years for us.

That's what I meant above.

I bet he's on the list, though.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 09:56:01 AM
Who else is somewhat scared at the sort of candidates PF and RL will be looking at now?

Me, terrified. If it's Grayson or the like it could be a disaster. If they fuck it up again this year there is no hope.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Grayson, reinvigorate the club? Christ.

Good suggestion although with the busy fixture scheduling around Christmas and Easter, I fear his mind may be elsewhere.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 09:58:10 AM
i'm not going to start shroud waving about Larry Grayson just yet, after all, OGS was nailed on at the bookies and look what's happened.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
someone that plays good attacking entertaining football is the most important thing for me.

want for that reason-

Martinez
Rogers
Holloway

dont want for the same reason -

Lambert
Di Mateo
Grayson

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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
(http://blog.tmcnet.com/voice-of-ip/images/Dads%20Army%20Frazier%20-%20doomed.png)
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
well Simon Grayson is joint favourite with Sky Bet at 3/1,

there must be something in the Grayson thing, wasnt there some ITK on him earlier in the week ?

There was something to do with gary gardner tweeting to a friend that grayson had been at bodymoor if i remember rightly, also a mention of we may have to wait for our man - they have play off final on sat , id be very disappointed if grayson got the job
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 09:56:01 AM
Who else is somewhat scared at the sort of candidates PF and RL will be looking at now?


I like the braga guy....
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:59:43 AM
Fucking hell I wasn't jumping for joy at the thought of Lambert, but if it's him or Grayson then it's no contest. Get bloody Lambert in. Don't fuck up again Villa board, you cannot afford to.
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Post by: Nev on May 23, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
Grayson fits the bill perfectly as the sort of manager that we do not need.

Think of the reaction of our rivals to the appointment, it's always a good gauge, for any of the candidates indeed. You know you have someone half decent if they don't take the piss through the fear of us winning.
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Post by: David_Nab on May 23, 2012, 10:01:36 AM
Martinez in Boston to speak to Liverpool owners today accoring to the press in Wigan.

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Grayson, reinvigorate the club? Christ.

Good suggestion although with the busy fixture scheduling around Christmas and Easter, I fear his mind may be elsewhere.

He'll get it.

He's nailed on, in fact.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:45:36 AM

http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/05/23/Solskjær-out-of-Villa-race/gnid-142984/

Lambert was quizzed about his future following Adam Drury's testimonial match at Carrow Road but he got angry with reporters when they pressed him over the vacancy at Aston Villa.
 
"There is no point asking me. I am telling you I am not answering it," he told reporters.


He also said 'the night is about drury, im very happy at norwich and have never said i wanted to leave ', as you seemed to miss that from your quotes.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:02:34 AM
yep. Grayson is pretty uninspiring from any angle
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 23, 2012, 10:01:36 AM
Martinez in Boston to speak to Liverpool owners today accoring to the press in Wigan.



Martinez over Grayson please.
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Post by: big ronsjeweller on May 23, 2012, 10:04:49 AM
oh well, the hope and excitement was good while it lasted.... back to the same old shite then.
I think the thing that was positive about OGS was that it was a left-field suggestion, with the hope of vibrant attacking football
We still need that  we do not need the appointment of another duff serial failure
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Post by: SO Villa on May 23, 2012, 10:04:53 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:45:36 AM

http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/05/23/Solskjær-out-of-Villa-race/gnid-142984/

Lambert was quizzed about his future following Adam Drury's testimonial match at Carrow Road but he got angry with reporters when they pressed him over the vacancy at Aston Villa.
 
"There is no point asking me. I am telling you I am not answering it," he told reporters.


He also said 'the night is about drury, im very happy at norwich and have never said i wanted to leave ', as you seemed to miss that from your quotes.

As an aside, why did Lambert put himself up for a press conference after a friendly knowing full well that all people would want to talk about would be his and Holts futures? Very strange.
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Post by: Merv on May 23, 2012, 10:05:11 AM
Grayson's a strange one, a real leftfield potential candidate. He wouldn't be on anyone's shortlist, really. Which makes me think there's substance in the fact that he's being listed.

OGS - what a shame. Checked out SS news at 10.30pm last night to see if there was an update, and the breaking story was all over it. Finding myself more disappointed that I would have been a week ago; not much we can do if the OGS ultimately decides to stay safe, stay put, keep his family settled, and no doubt, he's been put under a lot of pressure from Molde. Threats to pull all finance from the club in the wake of his meeting with us, that's pretty strong.

We go again, then.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:06:26 AM
Surely there must be better options to us than grayson, i think id even go for curbishley ahead of him.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.
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Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

In fairness they never said he turned us down, just didnt want to be considered for the job anymore.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.


what offer ?   have i missed something regarding an offer ?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.

yeah but they could have said neither side was pursuing it, and we didn't make an offer did we? He just ruled himself out. Now  we've got a Martinez situation where anyone looks 2nd best
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
Domingos Paciencia is now my top choice. He wants the job, he's young and ambitious, did very well at Braga. Stumbled at Sporting, but he didn't do outright badly. I'm just worried otherwise we'll end up with Grayson or Curbs. Last season we had Quiche Sanchez Flores announce interest, and somehow ended up with McLeish.. I don't want another situation like that.
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Post by: Merv on May 23, 2012, 10:12:23 AM
I feel a bit for the club, here; we've barely said a word about the candidates we're speaking to, we approached OGS for discussions as part of the interview process, he wasn't offered the job, and the whole situation has been reported and blown up. Much like Martinez last summer. Shows that, while one party can be discrete and professional about things, if the other party isn't, not a lot you can do about it.

Villa have always said they'd be speaking to a few potential new coaches. So we've got a Plan B. Actually, OGS may have been the Plan B, or Plan C.

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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.

yeah but they could have said neither side was pursuing it, and we didn't make an offer did we? He just ruled himself out. Now  we've got a Martinez situation where anyone looks 2nd best


it is amazing how exactly the same thing has happened twice on the trot
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.
When did we say this?
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 10:14:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.

yeah but they could have said neither side was pursuing it, and we didn't make an offer did we? He just ruled himself out. Now  we've got a Martinez situation where anyone looks 2nd best

2nd best? Don't you mean 3rd best? Don't forget that Brendan Rodgers ruled himself out long ago.

I'm sick of you trying to put a positive edge on all whats going on.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

They had little choice once the cat was out of the bag about the offer.

yeah but they could have said neither side was pursuing it, and we didn't make an offer did we? He just ruled himself out. Now  we've got a Martinez situation where anyone looks 2nd best


it is amazing how exactly the same thing has happened twice on the trot


yep sometimes i wished we tapped up people like the rest of the premier. All this out in the open stuff just causes problems and looks increasingly naieve
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.
When did we say this?


Doogan the bloke from the Villa press office
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Post by: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
Domingos Paciencia is now my top choice. He wants the job, he's young and ambitious, did very well at Braga. Stumbled at Sporting, but he didn't do outright badly. I'm just worried otherwise we'll end up with Grayson or Curbs. Last season we had Quiche Sanchez Flores announce interest, and somehow ended up with McLeish.. I don't want another situation like that.

Yes, yes, yes (assuming his language skills are up to it).
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.
When did we say this?
Some villa press bloke last night. Said he wasn't coming for "family reasons"
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 10:11:40 AM
Domingos Paciencia is now my top choice. He wants the job, he's young and ambitious, did very well at Braga. Stumbled at Sporting, but he didn't do outright badly. I'm just worried otherwise we'll end up with Grayson or Curbs. Last season we had Quiche Sanchez Flores announce interest, and somehow ended up with McLeish.. I don't want another situation like that.

Yes, yes, yes (assuming his language skills are up to it).

Apparently he's spent the last two years studying Gabbyagbonlabish.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.
When did we say this?
He ruled himself out though I was under the impression no offer was made. It's common knowledge we were looking at other applicants anyway


Doogan the bloke from the Villa press office
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

Molde are holding a press conference to announce it this afternoon. How were we meant to keep that quiet?
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 10:20:33 AM
Didn't the 'statement' say we were no longer considerign him as opposed to him turning it down?
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Post by: NiiLamptey on May 23, 2012, 10:21:10 AM
Martinez for me, hasnt he said he prefers the idea of villa job to scouse job....

The liverpool faithful wont have him anyway - even if he is appointed...

Ian rush will be sat in the stands each week or something and they will demand he takes over! lol
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 10:20:33 AM
Didn't the 'statement' say we were no longer considerign him as opposed to him turning it down?
Yes No formal offer was made. We are still looking at other applicants and apparently there's lots. We move on
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

Molde are holding a press conference to announce it this afternoon. How were we meant to keep that quiet?


No need to keep it quiet . "He wasn't offered the job, probably wouldn't have been and besides he wanted to stay in Norway" would have been a better way to put it. You know Molde will paint it as a snub in their press conference
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:27:37 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

Molde are holding a press conference to announce it this afternoon. How were we meant to keep that quiet?


No need to keep it quiet . "He wasn't offered the job, probably wouldn't have been and besides he wanted to stay in Norway" would have been a better way to put it. You know Molde will paint it as a snub in their press conference


yep  de Javu
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 10:30:17 AM
Meanwhile at Lerner Towers....


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ygY5jh-KrZU/TlPmd5RyQcI/AAAAAAAAA9Y/xO10s4XKKGA/s1600/guess-who.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

Molde are holding a press conference to announce it this afternoon. How were we meant to keep that quiet?


No need to keep it quiet . "He wasn't offered the job, probably wouldn't have been and besides he wanted to stay in Norway" would have been a better way to put it. You know Molde will paint it as a snub in their press conference

Christ Greg, sometimes you get yourself tied up in knots.

One minute "I wish they hadn't said anything about him turning us down", then minutes later "no need to keep it quiet".

They didn't say he'd turned us down, they said he'd withdrawn from contention for family reasons.

Your beef seems to be that they didn't add "probably wouldn't have been".
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:30:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:06:41 AM
I wish the club hadn't said anything about OGS turning us down. Now anyone looks our 2nd choice when in reality it may have not been.

Molde are holding a press conference to announce it this afternoon. How were we meant to keep that quiet?


No need to keep it quiet . "He wasn't offered the job, probably wouldn't have been and besides he wanted to stay in Norway" would have been a better way to put it. You know Molde will paint it as a snub in their press conference

Christ Greg, sometimes you get yourself tied up in knots.

One minute "I wish they hadn't said anything about him turning us down", then minutes later "no need to keep it quiet".

They didn't say he'd turned us down, they said he'd withdrawn from contention for family reasons.

Your beef seems to be that they didn't add "probably wouldn't have been".


yep it is. as it stands its looks like we've been left at the altar again when we may well have been seeing other people too. play the game like everyone else ffs. Molde will for sure
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
Lambert was less than impressed at being asked about his future after the testimonial last night.
I cannot see him coming to us either,and the list gets smaller! why should he come to Villa when he is doing a great job at Norwich? I don't see it happening at all.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
At least randy is already over here so lets hope he and faulkner can pull a rabbit out the hat and unveil a decent manager.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
Listen, lets give Lerner and Faulkner the benefit of the doubt here.

As I said last night, I'm annoyed with OGS. I feel like he strung us along a bit. He was very enigmatic about the whole thing.

We have to support the club on this. We came so close to going down last season that we cannot afford to start off the pre-season in a bad way. I think Randy has been trying to get somebody in who will reinvigorate the club and I can't fault him if he doesn't succeed having first given it a good go.

Villa are still a big draw, but we are also a difficult job. We just escaped relegation so we're not going to be able to sell the whole 'top four' dream just yet. It's going to be a long-term rebuilding project and not every manager will have the stomach for what is involved.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
Lambert was less than impressed at being asked about his future after the testimonial last night.
I cannot see him coming to us either,and the list gets smaller! why should he come to Villa when he is doing a great job at Norwich? I don't see it happening at all.


the list is only small if you only look at a small group of candidates,
if you look at a bigger picture, which is which is what Randy was doing with OGS it could be  a very large list,
 we dont know where he is looking, he might supprise us, in a good way hopefully not a Mcleish way, although that is always a possibility obviously
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:39:32 AM
If randy had chartered a plane for ole rather than sending his own jet none of this would have ever been known about.
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
If the vast majority were in favour of OGS, the candidate that has the closest approximation to him (in terms of his football-side style) is Brendan Rodgers.
And he would move, surely, for the opportunity to ply his trade on a bigger stage.
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 10:41:49 AM
P.S. I wonder if a passing mod could change my now-anachronistic and wildly-optimistic name back to EffDee (or, even better Mister E).

Thanks in anticipation.
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 23, 2012, 10:42:32 AM
Amid all this intrigue, how about if it's true and he or his missus just changed their mind about uprooting the kids etc?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 23, 2012, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:39:32 AM
If randy had chartered a plane for ole rather than sending his own jet none of this would have ever been known about.

Or phoned him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: Eff 'babyface' Dee on May 23, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
If the vast majority were in favour of OGS, the candidate that has the closest approximation to him (in terms of his football-side style) is Brendan Rodgers.
And he would move, surely, for the opportunity to ply his trade on a bigger stage.

Already stated he wants to stay at swansea and finish the job, cant see him coming here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 10:43:51 AM
just listening to Ian Ridley on the radio , shows the old players there are a big problem .
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
just to cheer everyone up, a speculative question. If Larry Grayson gets the gig how would it compare to Randy's appointment of TSM ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 23, 2012, 10:49:20 AM
Now OGS was at 28/1 last night, this morning he has come down to 5/1 on Skybet....maybe its all cloak and daggers!!??

Anyway, heres the latest according to the bookies.

Lambert
Martinez
Grayson
Poyet
Di Matteo
Solksjaer
K Mac
Benitez
Holloway
Lennon
Billy Davis
Dalglish
Rogers
Curbishley
AVB
......and so on.

If truth be told I can see us springing out another douche with the announcement at the end of July with the announcement of Gary Megson...

...I just dont see what Faulkner brings to the table!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:51:59 AM
Worse i reckon for those who wanted OGS. At least last summer no-one was that enthused about Martinez.  Personally OGS and Grayson are about the same. Very uninspiring but better than Mcleish
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 10:52:39 AM
Gary BLOODY Megson would just take us over the edge!
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Grayson, reinvigorate the club? Christ.

Good suggestion although with the busy fixture scheduling around Christmas and Easter, I fear his mind may be elsewhere.

He'll get it.

He's nailed on, in fact.
The high wages we'd pay him would mean he'd be hammered with tacks.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
Grayson, reinvigorate the club? Christ.

Good suggestion although with the busy fixture scheduling around Christmas and Easter, I fear his mind may be elsewhere.

He'll get it.

He's nailed on, in fact.
The high wages we'd pay him would mean he'd be hammered with tacks.
Very good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Relieved that Solksjaer is out of the running as I had reservations about him.

Still hope it will be Lambert but not confident and increasingly concerned it will be another 'Eck type' signing like McCarthy *shudders*

Not exactly ecstatic about the prospect of Grayson, but he at least had Leeds playing reasonable football for a while and he would see us as a big step up. If we are to go down the old player route, then would prefer Southgate though.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 10:59:23 AM
Does piss me off with the media saying no one wants the job at Villa. 
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Come on greg, surely you cant really think grayson and ogs are about the same?

Im hoping randy throws everything into making lambert an offer to good to refuse.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 23, 2012, 11:03:16 AM
They had Lord McGrath on TS this morning, and he said he thinks it's because there's no money and OGS has thought about it and decided he wouldn;t be good for him professionally.  He did refer to us as "we" though!!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
I reckon people want the job, they just won't do it with a peanut transfer budget and the shit squad we have. If there was 20m to spend we'd have got Martinez last year. As it is you pay peanuts.......
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Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 11:05:52 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: Eff 'babyface' Dee on May 23, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
If the vast majority were in favour of OGS, the candidate that has the closest approximation to him (in terms of his football-side style) is Brendan Rodgers.
And he would move, surely, for the opportunity to ply his trade on a bigger stage.

Already stated he wants to stay at swansea and finish the job, cant see him coming here.

That was in relation to the Liverpool job though where they've stated they're looking at 12 candidates. I can't blame him for turning it idown. Why risk upsetting your club and supporters for a 1 in 12 chance at a job where people will get on your back almost immediately for not being Kenny Dalglish, Jose Mourinho or Pep Guardiola? I do wonder whether if he was offered the Villa job whether he would accept it. Swansea still train at a leisure centre and his office is a broom cupboard such are the facilities that he has to work with.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 23, 2012, 11:06:42 AM
Well just looked at Molde fk training yesterday and OGS looked very very happy....so...lets move on and get a bloody good manager!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Come on greg, surely you cant really think grayson and ogs are about the same?

Im hoping randy throws everything into making lambert an offer to good to refuse.

Grayson's done it at a better level? Seriously apart from the stardust effect i can't see what OGS has done to get people so exicited. Outspending your rivals in a league worse than the SPL doesn't shout "ideal candidate" to me
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
OCD: we're making the same mistake as Liverpool regarding the ridiculous 'process'.

I think I posted on Saturday that we were making a pig's ear of it, to the confusion of some. Clearer now?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:08:49 AM
Told you it was Coyle.
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=104&fid=297&sty=3&act=1&mid=2114761691 (http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=104&fid=297&sty=3&act=1&mid=2114761691)
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Come on greg, surely you cant really think grayson and ogs are about the same?

Im hoping randy throws everything into making lambert an offer to good to refuse.

Grayson's done it at a better level? Seriously apart from the stardust effect i can't see what OGS has done to get people so exicited. Outspending your rivals in a league worse than the SPL doesn't shout "ideal candidate" to me

While I was behind the idea of OGS - if it was an unknown random coach who we'd never heard of who had done what he had - he'd have none of the support he had.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:03:47 AM
I reckon people want the job, they just won't do it with a peanut transfer budget and the shit squad we have. If there was 20m to spend we'd have got Martinez last year. As it is you pay peanuts.......


true , what chance of a good manager then ;(      I think Id be really happy with Lambert to be honest
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 23, 2012, 11:10:48 AM
Grayson or Holloway would be very underwhelming.  Barry Bannan tweeted some unflattering things about Grayson after his loan spell at Leeds (where he wasn't used much), and Holloway has already expressed his feelings about Villa, so we're obviously not big enough for the likes of him.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
But we're making the same mistake as Liverpool regarding the ridiculous 'process'.



I think I posted on Saturday that we were making a pig's ear of it, to the confusion of some. Clearer now?

Maybe its the american way, much prefer dougs way of deciding on who you want and going out to try and get them.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
How would people feel about a manager like Karl Robinson?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:13:00 AM
http://www.olbg.com/news/18224800/Owen+Coyle+Next+Aston+Villa+Manager+Odds+See+Massive+Gamble+As+Ancelotti+Is+Ruled+Out.html (http://www.olbg.com/news/18224800/Owen+Coyle+Next+Aston+Villa+Manager+Odds+See+Massive+Gamble+As+Ancelotti+Is+Ruled+Out.html)

Go back a while for this.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
How would people feel about a manager like Karl Robinson?

Interesting , as would be lee clark- i find the thought of grayson very much a dour choice.

Robinson will make a good manager but maybe too big a step up right now but id prefer him to grayson, shades of graham turner though.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
how about Karl Pilkington .   He would tell it like it is ..     These players are shit ;)
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
How would people feel about a manager like Karl Robinson?

Do you mean before or after we'd googled him to find out who the fuck he is?

;)
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
Never heard of him.
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Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 23, 2012, 11:22:44 AM
A bit gutted about OGS cause he was unknown and has done well so far in his career. Wasn't arsed that he hasn't any big club experience (see JG, BL, Wenger etc). I think we've really missed out on someone special.

I'd prefer Rodgers now but can't see that happening. Sigh. Lambert or Martinez I guess. Meh.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
OCD: we're making the same mistake as Liverpool regarding the ridiculous 'process'.

I think I posted on Saturday that we were making a pig's ear of it, to the confusion of some. Clearer now?

I didn't see your post on Saturday, what were you referring to as being fucked up? The process of having a few names and speaking to them all first before annointing a winner?

If so, I kind of agree with that. Look at the reaction of Rodgers to Liverpool - some managers clearly don't like that way of doing it.

One thing I think we got wrong last time was being so fucking nice - asking for permission rather than doing what 99% of all other clubs would do, which is speaking to agents off the record first.

I really hope we're not going to go down that path again.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:21:38 AM
Never heard of him.

MK Dons boss.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Allardyce's thing about his popularity if his name was Allardici is very true. Put any foreign sounding name up and all the plebs will be saying that he is the man for us. I often look at these things and wonder how these people, who can't string a sentence together on Facebook etc, have such an encyclopaedic knowledge of football.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:27:32 AM
Cheers. Is that not dropping to far down the leagues in our search for a new manager.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Allardyce's thing about his popularity if his name was Allardici is very true. Put any foreign sounding name up and all the plebs will be saying that he is the man for us. I often look at these things and wonder how these people, who can't string a sentence together on Facebook etc, have such an encyclopaedic knowledge of football.

No Allardyce would still be a foreign manager who plays hoof ball.....and a crook.....alledgedly.

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Post by: CJ on May 23, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
Was it Pelty who said somewhere that there were 3 or 4 candidates, any of which would excite Villa fans? So OGS was one, maybe there are other similar unknowns rather than the names being bandied about in polls. (He said hopefully)
Or was it just another so-called ITK who said it?
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Lee Clark with John Gregory as the Dark Overlord is my choice.

After Poyet.

After Klinsmann.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 11:29:16 AM
even though we did not make a formal offer, OGS saw fit to pull out of the process. Given the fact that the fundamentals have remained constant i.e. continuing to reduce the wage bill, little/no transfer kitty, disenchanted older pro's , mixed bag of younger talent, can any of the realistic candidates actually achieve a higher league placing than TSM did?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Allardyce's thing about his popularity if his name was Allardici is very true. Put any foreign sounding name up and all the plebs will be saying that he is the man for us. I often look at these things and wonder how these people, who can't string a sentence together on Facebook etc, have such an encyclopaedic knowledge of football.

No Allardyce would still be a foreign manager who plays hoof ball.....and a crook.....alledgedly.


Mmm. Any news from Bolton concerning the Coyle rumours?
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
Fair point but i think it was more to do with the way we played under TSM.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
There are quite a few in the Championship I could happily rally behind......Hughton, Mackay, Poyet, Dyche, Howe & Freedman
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 23, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
Was it Pelty who said somewhere that there were 3 or 4 candidates, any of which would excite Villa fans? So OGS was one, maybe there are other similar unknowns rather than the names being bandied about in polls. (He said hopefully)
Or was it just another so-called ITK who said it?
No,it was Pelty.He said not to get too attached to one name as there was a few excellent candidates( or words to that effect)
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:33:25 AM
well i put "vibrant football manager" into google images which is probably as much as faulkner has done and i got a shortlist of Pardew, stephen pressley, Steve Eyre, and er...TSM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:33:40 AM
Yes paulie, the multiple candidates thing really ticks me off. Having OGS over then filing him away really left him up shit creek with his employers. He probably would have accepted on Friday or Saturday, he seemed keen enough when answering those questions from the Molde board.

So this process has put off maybe the best candidate, and also maybe the decent other options. What a shit double-whammy.

No evidence yet that the board aren't just as incompetent as last time. More imaginitive, I'll give them that.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Allardyce's thing about his popularity if his name was Allardici is very true. Put any foreign sounding name up and all the plebs will be saying that he is the man for us. I often look at these things and wonder how these people, who can't string a sentence together on Facebook etc, have such an encyclopaedic knowledge of football.

No Allardyce would still be a foreign manager who plays hoof ball.....and a crook.....alledgedly.


Mmm. Any news from Bolton concerning the Coyle rumours?

Nope. Nothing up here at all about it. I cannot see it for 3 reasons...

1) I think Coyle will try to make up for relegation by taking them back up. This is 'his club'
2) He is negotiating a new contract
3) I don't think Randy would risk going for a 'relegated' manager again.

But stranger things have happened.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:30:30 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:26:03 AM
Allardyce's thing about his popularity if his name was Allardici is very true. Put any foreign sounding name up and all the plebs will be saying that he is the man for us. I often look at these things and wonder how these people, who can't string a sentence together on Facebook etc, have such an encyclopaedic knowledge of football.

No Allardyce would still be a foreign manager who plays hoof ball.....and a crook.....alledgedly.


Mmm. Any news from Bolton concerning the Coyle rumours?
Funny thing is i thought we were looking to take a step forward not appoint another manager who got his club relegated. Have we not been there?Do we really want to go there again? I think not,not,not!
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:35:57 AM
We may end up with no alternative.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:33:40 AM
Yes paulie, the multiple candidates thing really ticks me off. Having OGS over then filing him away really left him up shit creek with his employers. He probably would have accepted on Friday or Saturday, he seemed keen enough when answering those questions from the Molde board.

So this process has put off maybe the best candidate, and also maybe the decent other options. What a shit double-whammy.

No evidence yet that the board aren't just as incompetent as last time. More imaginitive, I'll give them that.


Maybe he wasn't their first choice as they were just sounding him out? Like they've sort of said all along? not being funny percy, but its possible that just because people want him on here, doesn't mean he was No.1 on the board's list.
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Post by: mr woo on May 23, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
Ok, so looking at the Premiership as it stands, and ignoring the recently promoted sides for now, who would be desirable and possibly obtainable.

Apart from Moyes who I doubt would come anyway, there's Mark Hughes (no ta) and perhaps Martin Jol, who I think has done a decent job on the quiet.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
I suppose it's worth noting that we spoke to him Friday, but then said it was part of an ongoing process.  All the various tidbits were then coming from the Norwegian side.

Behind the scenes, we could have been continuing our search and just confirmed that OGS was no longer a candidate.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
I suppose it's worth noting that we spoke to him Friday, but then said it was part of an ongoing process.  All the various tidbits were then coming from the Norwegian side.

Behind the scenes, we could have been continuing our search and just confirmed that OGS was no longer a candidate.


yep. either you take what they and pelty have said on face value or speculate they've been playing some odd game for no reason at all.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:35:57 AM
We may end up with no alternative.
So we will start the season with the same doubts as last season.Can't see Lerner letting that happen.
I am giving Lerner the benefit of the doubt and trusting him not to make the same mistake again.
Maybe a lot to ask but iv'e just got a feeling we are in for a nice surprise. I will  have to eat these words but that's the gamble.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 11:46:50 AM
If they can't get the man they want, I say give K-Mac a shot.

I'd much rather him than someone from the McCarthy/Curbishley pool of managers.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:35:57 AM
We may end up with no alternative.
So we will start the season with the same doubts as last season.Can't see Lerner letting that happen.
I am giving Lerner the benefit of the doubt and trusting him not to make the same mistake again.
Maybe a lot to ask but iv'e just got a feeling we are in for a nice surprise. I will  have to eat these words but that's the gamble.
If they won't come, it makes it difficult for Lerner.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
There are quite a few in the Championship I could happily rally behind......Hughton, Mackay, Poyet, Dyche, Howe & Freedman

How about Freeman, Hardy & Willis? If the shoe fits....
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
I think if this time last week we had all put our heads together and drawn up a list of potential "young, hungry" managers who would be right for us, nobody would have mentioned Solskjaer.

To that extent, they did quite well thinking of him themselves (assuming it wasn't passed down to them as a suggestion from Lord Ferguson of Trafford).

What we now have to hope is that they can do that again, and think of another exciting, left-field young manager to approach.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:35:57 AM
We may end up with no alternative.
So we will start the season with the same doubts as last season.Can't see Lerner letting that happen.
I am giving Lerner the benefit of the doubt and trusting him not to make the same mistake again.
Maybe a lot to ask but iv'e just got a feeling we are in for a nice surprise. I will  have to eat these words but that's the gamble.
If they won't come, it makes it difficult for Lerner.
Appreciated,but i think he will get us a good deal this time. The OGS thing is not over yet,a few twists and turns to come with that one at a later date i think.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
AVB ticks the boxes for me the more I think about it – and we'd be an ideal club for him to come and make a mark in the PL. We have a younger group of players probably more receptive to modern thinking and our awkward gang of oldies can be disposed of a lot easier than Chelsea's mafia could. I know he's been linked to Liverpool but surely he'd encounter similar problems there as he did at Chelsea. When you're trying to teach new tricks it's much easier to do it with puppies than old dogs.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 11:53:05 AM
The problem with AVB is he'd want and need a good wedge to make it work.  He won't further tarnish his reputation by bobbing around mid-table.
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 11:54:12 AM
Does anyone know how long RL is over here for?  Will he be in the UK until we find our manager?
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
who is TSM ?
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
who is TSM ?
The Scottish Manager aka McLeish
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 11:56:08 AM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
who is TSM ?
The Scottish Manager aka McLeish


ok thanks, i'm obviously not in the loop there
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!

who Mcleish ?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Kmac would be a total disaster- the coyle rumour was a joke on burnleys website saying bolton couldnt agree how much compensation to pay villa to take him off their hands- nothing in it.

Im hoping now norwichs season is over thst randy will go all out to tempt him, most of the other names are very uninspiring.

Not many have mentioned adkins or mcdermott ,would they be worth a go?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 12:05:00 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Kmac would be a total disaster- the coyle rumour was a joke on burnleys website saying bolton couldnt agree how much compensation to pay villa to take him off their hands- nothing in it.

There are those still touting it, just as some still think O'Neill for Liverpool. These are all dark rumours but it only takes one snippet from some people and it rolls out of control. Keep an eye on the odds.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Kmac would be a total disaster- the coyle rumour was a joke on burnleys website saying bolton couldnt agree how much compensation to pay villa to take him off their hands- nothing in it.

Im hoping now norwichs season is over thst randy will go all out to tempt him, most of the other names are very uninspiring.

No many have mentioned adkins or mcdermott ,would they be worth a go?

McDermott just signes a new contract and committed himself to Reding. Be very surprised if he left now.

Adkins has decen backers at Southampton and could with the money they have, feasibly get them to mid table.....where we will probably aim to be as well. So I don't think he would leave.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 12:11:38 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7773116/AVB-looking-for-right-project

The 34-year-old boss has been out of work since March when he parted company with Chelsea following a testing period in charge.

He is presently being linked with the coaching positions at Liverpool and Roma.

However, his adviser believes the former Porto coach will only return to a club that will provide an environment where he can flourish.

Technical project

Asked about the rumours linking Villas-Boas with Liverpool and Roma, Goncalves answered on romagiallorossa.com: "Liverpool and Roma? Well, what we are looking for is a [club with a] strong technical plan, that is solid and durable.

"Villas-Boas would like to return to coaching in these conditions, but if these conditions are not available, we would have no problems not working.

"I won't confirm or deny contacts with specific clubs. What we are interested in is a technical project, its outlook and a situation that has longevity."
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
Well after a few days of optimism and all the people who would be interested in the job, we are now at a loss again. That's not a criticism of the board as they be talking to someone brilliant, but it's all a bit of a downer at the moment.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 12:12:21 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:53:05 AM
The problem with AVB is he'd want and need a good wedge to make it work.  He won't further tarnish his reputation by bobbing around mid-table.
Possibly, although taking over a squad that's just avoided relegation and getting them into the top half just by imposing his own style of management and coaching would only enhance his reputation. Besides, I would expect us to have some money available for the right buys this summer and someone with a good knowledge of the continental market is more likely to get better value for money than some of our previous managers have.
He is also wealthy enough to be able to afford to take a lower paid job if it presented the right challenge.
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
The Grayson link is worrying me. At Leeds he kept them in a healthy enough league postion on a really shit budget under old Master Bates but he is relatively young, ex-Villa (signed by Sir Brian IIRC), and may by Saturday night have a promotion under his belt (albeit with someone else's team). Could this have a 'young and vibrant' spin put on it? Was OGS this years Martinez before appointing a 'safe pair of hands' under a new guise?

Hmmmmm, I know don't say it, just thinking aloud!
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:13:27 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 12:11:38 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7773116/AVB-looking-for-right-project
Just read that myself. He would need lots of cash though i think. We will see.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Kmac would be a total disaster- the coyle rumour was a joke on burnleys website saying bolton couldnt agree how much compensation to pay villa to take him off their hands- nothing in it.

Im hoping now norwichs season is over thst randy will go all out to tempt him, most of the other names are very uninspiring.

No many have mentioned adkins or mcdermott ,would they be worth a go?

McDermott just signes a new contract and committed himself to Reding. Be very surprised if he left now.

Adkins has decen backers at Southampton and could with the money they have, feasibly get them to mid table.....where we will probably aim to be as well. So I don't think he would leave.


Adkins is so far out with the bookies he hasnt even got a price,
could be the guy we are interested who is below the radar and making things easier for Randy to talk to as sugested by some

just saying like
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
AVB would be good in my opinion. But it's a question as to whether or not he would be happy to come to Villa bearing in mind our current situation - and also potentially a lack of money being available.

Plus, (in my sad little world!) it would be fun too to have someone with the Middle name "Villa" coaching us - a bit like Arsene Wenger at Arsenal!
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
AVB would be good in my opinion. But it's a question as to whether or not he would be happy to come to Villa bearing in mind our current situation - and also potentially a lack of money being available.

Plus, (in my sad little world!) it would be fun too to have someone with the Middle name "Villa" coaching us - a bit like Arsene Wenger at Arsenal!


the fact that his name is Villa, is the main reason we should appoint him, it makes sense
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
Liverpool will want to hit the ground running, they won't consider themselves a project. With some decent backing we could be perfect for him and him for us
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Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 12:11:38 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7773116/AVB-looking-for-right-project

The 34-year-old boss has been out of work since March when he parted company with Chelsea following a testing period in charge.

He is presently being linked with the coaching positions at Liverpool and Roma.

However, his adviser believes the former Porto coach will only return to a club that will provide an environment where he can flourish.

Technical project

Asked about the rumours linking Villas-Boas with Liverpool and Roma, Goncalves answered on romagiallorossa.com: "Liverpool and Roma? Well, what we are looking for is a [club with a] strong technical plan, that is solid and durable.

"Villas-Boas would like to return to coaching in these conditions, but if these conditions are not available, we would have no problems not working.

"I won't confirm or deny contacts with specific clubs. What we are interested in is a technical project, its outlook and a situation that has longevity."

Hadn't seen that before posting earlier, but surely all that fits in with what Randy must have been thinking in approaching Ole.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
I totally agree.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
AVB would be good in my opinion. But it's a question as to whether or not he would be happy to come to Villa bearing in mind our current situation - and also potentially a lack of money being available.

Plus, (in my sad little world!) it would be fun too to have someone with the Middle name "Villa" coaching us - a bit like Arsene Wenger at Arsenal!


the fact that his name is Villa, is the main reason we should appoint him, it makes sense
Like Roberto Mancity and Chris UGHton
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
I have a vision.  I can see a whole new line in camp raincoats being sold in the Villa Village
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:25:32 PM
AVB is evens to be the next Liverpool manager,
 if they appoint someone else his odds will tumble for the Villa job, so get on now at 40/1,

it might be unlikely but could be worth a punt for all you risk takers


EDIT, sorry should have gone in the gambleing thread
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 23, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
Maybe my £2 on Ranieri at 33/1 wasn't such a bad shout. I think there's a chance we could end up with him or Poyet if Lambert doesn't want the job.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:30:31 PM
Ranieri and poyet combination would would decent enough as would ranieri / zola, id certainly take them ahead of grayson .

Would be amazed if avb took the job.

We know ranieri has put himself forward because he said so himself on tv, age may go against him though.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:35:04 PM
Yeah,young and vibrant,not any more.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Kmac would be a total disaster- 

I'm not sure about 'total disaster'  but he'd be down the pecking order at the moment.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 23, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
If Randy is serious about the villa he would go all out to 'sell' us to AVB. Give him a half decent budget and three years and we could well be champions league material.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
Ranieri would be a disaster too.

Poyet, Martinez, braga guy for me.

If have decent money and can sell it then avb.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:39:28 PM
Ranieri would be a disaster too.

Poyet, Martinez, braga guy for me.

If have decent money and can sell it then avb.



agree with all that ozz
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 23, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
If Randy is serious about the villa he would go all out to 'sell' us to AVB. Give him a half decent budget and three years and we could well be champions league material.
And then we woke up and realised that TSM was just a horrible dream.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
It's going to be interesting to see which way they go now. Hopefully they're thinking along the same lines as they were with OGS.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 12:43:55 PM
I think I'd prefer Poyet over Lambert.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 12:45:06 PM
I hope so. Technical, attack minded and young.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
AVB in from 40/1 to 25/1     i dont think it was my £20 that did it
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
well AVB is a fireman's ladder up from OGS at least. Be intruiging how he'd deal with the deadwood we can't chop up.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:53:06 PM
Grayson now 3/1 favourite with Sky Bet
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:53:51 PM
Never believe the bookies.You never see a skint one. I rest my case.
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Post by: nick harper on May 23, 2012, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
It's going to be interesting to see which way they go now. Hopefully they're thinking along the same lines as they were with OGS.

Thought that last year when they went after Martinez. On that basis, welcome to VP Mick.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 12:58:07 PM
No way!!
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 01:00:27 PM
Martinez was early favourite down solely to him having been approached before.  Now OGS is out, they haven't a clue again, so I'm guessing Grayson is favourite due to being seen at the training ground a few weeks ago. 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 01:12:32 PM
I'd be delighted, but not a chance will we get AVB.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 01:00:27 PM
Martinez was early favourite down solely to him having been approached before.  Now OGS is out, they haven't a clue again, so I'm guessing Grayson is favourite due to being seen at the training ground a few weeks ago. 
What a dreadful appointment Grayson would be.
It certainly won't be a gay day if it happens and I predict this site would go into meltdown.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2012, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
AVB in from 40/1 to 25/1     i dont think it was my £20 that did it

dont be surprised if it did
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
well AVB is a fireman's ladder up from OGS at least. Be intruiging how he'd deal with the deadwood we can't chop up.

He'll probably end up at Forest.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 11:33:40 AM
Yes paulie, the multiple candidates thing really ticks me off. Having OGS over then filing him away really left him up shit creek with his employers. He probably would have accepted on Friday or Saturday, he seemed keen enough when answering those questions from the Molde board.

So this process has put off maybe the best candidate, and also maybe the decent other options. What a shit double-whammy.

No evidence yet that the board aren't just as incompetent as last time. More imaginitive, I'll give them that.


Maybe he wasn't their first choice as they were just sounding him out? Like they've sort of said all along? not being funny percy, but its possible that just because people want him on here, doesn't mean he was No.1 on the board's list.

I didn't say he was first choice. You don't understand what I'm moaning about.

Having multiple candidates on the go is off-putting for all of them. We're not taking on an office boy.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 01:00:27 PM
Martinez was early favourite down solely to him having been approached before.  Now OGS is out, they haven't a clue again, so I'm guessing Grayson is favourite due to being seen at the training ground a few weeks ago. 
What a dreadful appointment Grayson would be.
It certainly won't be a gay day if it happens and I predict this site would go into meltdown.

Suppose the only good thing is hes not mcleish- but i agree it would be very underwhelming and hardly inspiring or vibrant.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 23, 2012, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
AVB in from 40/1 to 25/1     i dont think it was my £20 that did it

dont be surprised if it did

The quid I put on Klinsmann brought him down from 50/1 to 40/1 momentarily.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
Who does these odds?

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager

Heskey 100/1 ? O'Leary 33/1 ? or 80/1? Merson? Andy bloody Gray! Keegan?

Does anybody put any money on any of the above?

Its like these stupid stories you hear of someone putting a fiver on their 5 year old son being in outer space or scoring in the cup final before they are 30 and putting it in a forcast double with a snowflake falling on the BBC weather centre on Xmas day 2032. Twats.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
I suppose it's worth noting that we spoke to him Friday, but then said it was part of an ongoing process.  All the various tidbits were then coming from the Norwegian side.

Behind the scenes, we could have been continuing our search and just confirmed that OGS was no longer a candidate.


yep. either you take what they and pelty have said on face value or speculate they've been playing some odd game for no reason at all.

It's precisely what they and pelty have said the process is, that's the problem. As Liverpool also seem to be finding.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on May 23, 2012, 01:22:31 PM
I know it's nailed on Dowie but if he gets a better offer what about camp comedian Alan Carr? He might persuade his dad to come and scout for us and he's worked wonders at Newcastle. It would probably piss Graham Norton off too which won't be a bad thing. Oh, and Greg which would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 23, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
I dont see why AVB is out of the question.
He's still a young manager finding his way. He's not Guus Hiddink.
Plus he's out of work.

By all accounts he's looking for a long term project to get his teeth into. Well, that's exactly what we are.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if he was a target.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!

who Mcleish ?


Whatever anyone does dont say McLeish a 3rd time or he might reappear... wha?...ohhhh no......
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villafirst on May 23, 2012, 01:30:11 PM
Brian McDermott from Reading? He's done a great job there and plays an attacking style of football.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!

who Mcleish ?


Whatever anyone does dont say McLeish a 3rd time or he might reappear... wha?...ohhhh no......

The Scottish manager. Alex Macbeth McLeish!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
AVB is my new OGS.  I'd be like OMG if we got him, totes.  Yeah?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!

who Mcleish ?


Whatever anyone does dont say McLeish a 3rd time or he might reappear... wha?...ohhhh no......

The Scottish manager. Alex Macbeth McLeish!

AARRGGHH!  Hot potato, Orchestra Stalls, but Puck will make ammends. (Their noses are getting very sore!)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2012, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:41:15 AM
I suppose it's worth noting that we spoke to him Friday, but then said it was part of an ongoing process.  All the various tidbits were then coming from the Norwegian side.

Behind the scenes, we could have been continuing our search and just confirmed that OGS was no longer a candidate.


yep. either you take what they and pelty have said on face value or speculate they've been playing some odd game for no reason at all.

It's precisely what they and pelty have said the process is, that's the problem. As Liverpool also seem to be finding.
Surely the time to judge whether the process works or not is when we (and liverpool) actually appoint a manager, instead of using little snippets of info to come to a conclusion on the overall process? We don't know what's going on behind the scenes in either scenario, so how you can claim it to be shambolic is beyond me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 23, 2012, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 23, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
I dont see why AVB is out of the question.
He's still a young manager finding his way. He's not Guus Hiddink.
Plus he's out of work.

By all accounts he's looking for a long term project to get his teeth into. Well, that's exactly what we are.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if he was a target.

Me neither. He's what, 34 years old? Chelsea was a big step up for him, probably (well, definitely, if you consider how things panned out for him there) too big for him at the time - they wanted him to overhaul the first team squad but then panicked when he started to do that and results were disappointing. With us, he'd get that patience, I'd hope. And I don't think he'd need to particularly need a big budget to spend; he's got, by all accounts, a pretty encyclopedic knowledge of European footballers.

The comments from his agent about wanting a project are telling, I think. Both Liverpool and Roma would expect more immediate success than us - Champions League football at the end of season one. I don't see why we shouldn't be in the running.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 23, 2012, 01:42:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
AVB is my new OGS.  I'd be like OMG if we got him, totes.  Yeah?

LMFAO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Drummond on May 23, 2012, 01:44:39 PM
I don't want AVB, I don't think he's what we need or can afford.

Grayson didn't do abad job at Leeds in the circumstances and has done well with Huddersfield, though I really hope he fails on Saturday.

Lambert is a younger MON.

Rodgers wouldn't move and it could be argued his 'success' is down to Martinez.

Martinez has had some good results but flirts with relegation (slightly better than TSM at the Shit).

OGS was unproven in a big league but is a known winner, I think it's precisely because nobody had an opinion about him that he captured the imagination; there was nothing negative to say.

Zola would play nice football. Poyet is an up-and-coming manager with nothing negative that could be said. Ranieri would struggle, there is nothing to tinker with.

Peter Withe wants it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 23, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
I dont see why AVB is out of the question.
He's still a young manager finding his way. He's not Guus Hiddink.
Plus he's out of work.

By all accounts he's looking for a long term project to get his teeth into. Well, that's exactly what we are.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if he was a target.


I think though, AVB all depends on budgets available. IF, and it is a massive one, Randy says to him you have 30 million in fees for the next 2 seasons, so basically an investment of 60 million from him, plus player sales, would it appeal to a manager like AVB, maybe it would.

There are other options though. Zola, Steve Clarke and Wilkins might be worth a look, young manager to front it, with well respected coaching team.

The guy at Lille is quite young and clearly a good manager - Garcia is it - if we are being ambitious is he worth a call?

Michael Laudrup? Out of work and done ok in his managerial career so far, mid 40's and wants to get back in, respected world over.

Koeman? Not a fan myself but would bring something to the table surely?

Frank Rijkaard maybe worth a conversation?

The point being there must be other OGS rated people out there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TaxDodger on May 23, 2012, 01:47:34 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 11:58:39 AM
DON'T SAY HIS NAME!!!

who Mcleish ?


Whatever anyone does dont say McLeish a 3rd time or he might reappear... wha?...ohhhh no......

The Scottish manager. Alex Macbeth McLeish!

AARRGGHH!  Hot potato, Orchestra Stalls, but Puck will make ammends. (Their noses are getting very sore!)

Are you sure we can even trust these acting fellows, Blackadder? Last time we went to the theater three of them murdered Julius Caesar. And one of them was his best friend, Brutus!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
Mmm nice idea ozz- zola, clarke and wilkins - id be happy with that set up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
What is your tipster saying today after yesterdays events eastie?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
 I think another annoying thing is we are now back to being linked with similar targets to Liverpool. So its gonna seem like we'll have to wait to see what they do before we can. At least with OGS (as far as we know) he wasnt a target of theirs...

 Anyone know anything on Domingos Paciencia? Style of play? Does he even speak English?

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 23, 2012, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 01:46:01 PM

The point being there must be other OGS rated people out there.

Well, absolutely yes to that last comment of yours. If OGS is the model of the coach we want; young, fresh, showing promise, etc, there must be plenty of like-for-like options in European football. I suppose the former Braga and Sporting guy is one example.

Laudrup would not be a bad outside shout at all.

I think AVB's financial demands and expectations of transfer spend might be lower than we imagine. Put it this way, he's more affordable than he was a year ago, when Porto had a large buyout clause on his contract, and I expect, following his dismissal at Chelsea, he's a very wealthy man now. I think he likes to coach and work with players rather than bring them in, especially, and his coaching origins, before Chelsea, were fairly humble, which is why I thought he was a slightly strange choice for Chelsea's 'sign 'em up, pay 'em big, win win win' approach. So, you never know.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 01:57:27 PM
Laudrup is a cracking shout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
I think another annoying thing is we are now back to being linked with similar targets to Liverpool. So its gonna seem like we'll have to wait to see what they do before we can. At least with OGS (as far as we know) he wasnt a target of theirs...

 Anyone know anything on Domingos Paciencia? Style of play? Does he even speak English?


Is Lambert being linked with Liverpool? I think Martinez is higher on their list. If OGS is definitely off, I think we should try to sound out AVB and if that doesn't work just make Lambert an offer he can't refuse. Leave Martinez to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2012, 01:59:41 PM
We're going to end up bringing McLeish back at this rate...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: IFWaters on May 23, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
If we want experience ....Van Gaal

if we want youth (and a little bit of track record) ... Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers

Alternatives in the Championship (equiv of Norwegian div 1?) ...mackay at Cardiff, Clough at Derby
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
You can read about the Dominoes Pizza guy here:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/domingos-pacincia/aufeinenblick/trainer_3259.html
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: IFWaters on May 23, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on May 23, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
If we want experience ....Van Gaal

if we want youth (and a little bit of track record) ... Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers

Alternatives in the Championship (equiv of Norwegian div 1?) ...mackay at Cardiff, Clough at Derby

Sorry, I think AVB would be a mix of both ... but expensive
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 01:53:50 PM
What is your tipster saying today after yesterdays events eastie?


Check your pm ozz!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 23, 2012, 02:05:43 PM
I wouldn't want Van Gaal. The guy's like a wrecking ball wherever he goes, he'll pitch up, alienate half the players, spend a loud of dough, and then leave a huge mess behind him when he departs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 23, 2012, 02:11:16 PM
We missed a trick as Marcello Lippi joined Guangzhou Evergrande in the Chinese League last week, and in true Italian style won his first game 1-0.

The standard here is shite, and I would have thought a move to England would have appealed.Then again, there are some ludicrous salaries being touted out here - Anelka is on around 180k GBP per week in a club who struggle to get more than 15,000 through the gates. And this is a city of 23 million.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2012, 02:16:45 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on May 23, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on May 23, 2012, 02:01:48 PM
If we want experience ....Van Gaal

if we want youth (and a little bit of track record) ... Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers

Alternatives in the Championship (equiv of Norwegian div 1?) ...mackay at Cardiff, Clough at Derby

Sorry, I think AVB would be a mix of both ... but expensive
Can AVB really be called experienced after 2 and a half seasons in management? While his record at Porto was excellent, there's still a major risk that he's a one-season wonder.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2012, 01:59:41 PM
We're going to end up bringing McLeish back at this rate...
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2377606,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2377606,00.html)

Ever woke up thinking you're Phil Connors?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
Mmm nice idea ozz- zola, clarke and wilkins - id be happy with that set up.

Why don't we just rename ourselves Chelsea and be done with it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 23, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
I'd take this guy. At least he wouldn't say no.  ;)

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-news-Quique-Sanchez-Flores-who-lead-Atletico-Madrid-to-Europa-League-triumph-2010-wants-job-if-fan-anger-keeps-Alex-McLeish-out-article747872.html
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Reading Ralf Rangnick is available.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Marcelo Bielsa?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2012, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 23, 2012, 02:05:43 PM
I wouldn't want Van Gaal. The guy's like a wrecking ball wherever he goes, he'll pitch up, alienate half the players, spend a loud of dough, and then leave a huge mess behind him when he departs.

Are you sure you are not on about MON :)
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 23, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Marcelo Bielsa?

If only.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2012, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2012, 01:59:41 PM
We're going to end up bringing McLeish back at this rate...
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2377606,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2377606,00.html)

Ever woke up thinking you're Phil Connors?
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 23, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
I'd take this guy. At least he wouldn't say no.  ;)

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-news-Quique-Sanchez-Flores-who-lead-Atletico-Madrid-to-Europa-League-triumph-2010-wants-job-if-fan-anger-keeps-Alex-McLeish-out-article747872.html

Not really sure about who this guy is but saying he wants the job surely has to be a good place to start ???????????????
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Damo70 on May 23, 2012, 02:41:59 PM
I am quite pleased OGS is out of the running, I wasn't as convinced as some on here that he was the best choice, although admittedly a lot of people supporting him did accept it would have been a gamble. I see that Lambert is still the favourite but the money today has been going on Martinez, Paciencia and Poyet. I think Poyet would be a decent choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
Got to be Glenn Roeder or Mick Mills now, for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: big ronsjeweller on May 23, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
One of the problems we have is that there are a large group of managers such as mad-mick, owen coyle, Grayson, Curbs etc that we all automatically say no to straight away.... 2 years ago Alan Pardew would have been in this group as well!
is there a diamond amongst the shite????
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 03:01:30 PM
not amongst that lot. you can't polish a turd
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Reading Ralf Rangnick is available.

Would be a fantastic appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 03:02:28 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Reading Ralf Rangnick is available.

Would be a fantastic appointment.

I don't know alot about him but on Wiki he seems to have a good record. Surely if he is interested in WBA and Anderlecht we stand a good chance of getting him if we want him.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I'm hoping the board are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. We desperately need a manager who is going to play good football, who will reinvigorate the club. It's really important they get this right.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 03:06:38 PM
Rangnick - there's a name if they want to think outside the box.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 03:07:30 PM
I championed ragnick the same day ole fever hit. A year out with exhaustion but a great record.
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
We need to make sure that once Randy has contacted Paul Lambert he does not end up having dinner in Delia's kitchen!
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Reading Ralf Rangnick is available.

Round the rugged rock, the ragged rascal ran
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Post by: fredm on May 23, 2012, 03:20:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I'm hoping the board are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. We desperately need a manager who is going to play good football, who will reinvigorate the club. It's really important they get this right.

Is RL in England or the States at the moment?  Also, who is doing the selecting of "persons in whom we may be interested"?  Is this all being left to Faulkner?

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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I'm hoping the board are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. We desperately need a manager who is going to play good football, who will reinvigorate the club. It's really important they get this right.
Agree totally Paul, but that's what also makes me nervous.
If you can be fuckwitted enough to appoint the beyond dire McCatpiss, then Lord knows what else they're capable of.
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 03:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 23, 2012, 01:25:13 PM
I dont see why AVB is out of the question.
He's still a young manager finding his way. He's not Guus Hiddink.
Plus he's out of work.

By all accounts he's looking for a long term project to get his teeth into. Well, that's exactly what we are.
I wouldn't be at all suprised if he was a target.
I'm with you on this opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
I have been told:

THE NEW MANAGER WILL BE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

No point speculating further. Sorry for shouting.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
I've not been able to get on here much today, is anything happening?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I'm hoping the board are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. We desperately need a manager who is going to play good football, who will reinvigorate the club. It's really important they get this right.
Agree totally Paul, but that's what also makes me nervous.
If you can be fuckwitted enough to appoint the beyond dire McCatpiss, then Lord knows what else they're capable of.


Agreed Fletch, but I'm hoping that disaster and the subsequent resulting season will have scared them into being competant! I'm hoping they've looked abroad for a manager, as I think we need to a complete change at the club. The reason I want a manager from abroad is that I don't want preconceptions about our players, no being mates with them and stuff like that. They get judged on their merits and if they aren't up to it, they get the boot. Also that manager as suggested above needs to create a team that plays good football that will excite the fans.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
I have been told:

THE NEW MANAGER WILL BE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

No point speculating further. Sorry for shouting.

Is this genuine?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
I'm hoping the board are going to pull a rabbit out of the hat. We desperately need a manager who is going to play good football, who will reinvigorate the club. It's really important they get this right.
Agree totally Paul, but that's what also makes me nervous.
If you can be fuckwitted enough to appoint the beyond dire McCatpiss, then Lord knows what else they're capable of.


Agreed Fletch, but I'm hoping that disaster and the subsequent resulting season will have scared them into being competant! I'm hoping they've looked abroad for a manager, as I think we need to a complete change at the club. The reason I want a manager from abroad is that I don't want preconceptions about our players, no being mates with them and stuff like that. They get judged on their merits and if they aren't up to it, they get the boot. Also that manager as suggested above needs to create a team that plays good football that will excite the fans.
No arguments from me there.
Now let's see if they have the balls or just go for a 'safe' appointment.
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 23, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
Here’s a name that not been mentioned yet, Dan Petrescu. Done well with his Romanian club( I presume he’s still there), got them into the champs league and has got knowledge of the English game.

Personally I’d be happy with either Lambert or Poyet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
Van Gaal linked with ''The Mighty Reds YNWA' in a "managerial role" - which I presume is a sort of DoF job. Source: Guardian.

Lambert has denied looking for a new role and claims not to be interested in moving from NCFC. Source R5L on their 3.00pm bulletin.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
Oh bugger.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
It's going to be Grayson isn't it
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
I have been told:

THE NEW MANAGER WILL BE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

No point speculating further. Sorry for shouting.

Is this genuine?

I can't take any more ITK's, they are effecting my sleep and posture. They have robbed me of my youth and belief in humanity.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 03:51:32 PM
well if its announced this week you'd have to say its someone unemployed. We've seen its nigh on impossible to keep things quiet if they have a club.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 03:53:25 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
It's going to be Grayson isn't it

I think the stipulation for a young and dynamic manager has to be scrapped once the standard of candidate sinks to a certain level.  At that point it surely becomes a case of best man for the job and I think when Simon Grayson starts being mentioned as a serious candidate we have reached that level.  I would honestly prefer Curbishley to the likes of him, Lee Clark etc. 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Reading Ralf Rangnick is available.

I thought Mcdermott was the manager there ;)
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 03:55:38 PM
if we are announcing before the weekend it rules out Larry thank goodness but still leaves fuckwits like Mad mick in the mix. It's Gus for me now.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 03:51:32 PM
well if its announced this week you'd have to say its someone unemployed. We've seen its nigh on impossible to keep things quiet if they have a club.

Also because of the impossibility of keeping it quiet I would guess it involves a foreign manager.

Although I still don't believe we have approached anyone yet.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 03:58:03 PM
If it's MM , I'm not going down VP . sorry and all that ;P
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
It's going to be Grayson isn't it
Effin' well better not be; unproven, uninspiring and underwhelming.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 04:00:03 PM
Ralfy Rango is 949/1             Id be rich with a penny on that .
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
I've not been able to get on here much today, is anything happening?

A veil of silence - nobody seems to know anything today.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 04:02:02 PM
If avb is going to Liverpool it will be Martinez surely?
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Post by: Mazrim on May 23, 2012, 04:06:55 PM
Who said AVB is going to Liverpool?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:06:55 PM
Will faulkner announce him from behind the curtain with the immortal words in a doug like manner of ' how many of you know who he is?'
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
I think another annoying thing is we are now back to being linked with similar targets to Liverpool. So its gonna seem like we'll have to wait to see what they do before we can. At least with OGS (as far as we know) he wasnt a target of theirs...

 Anyone know anything on Domingos Paciencia? Style of play? Does he even speak English?

He did very well for a season with Braga before moving to Sporting Clube de Portugal. He didn't last the season, sacked for lack of leadership/poor communication skills, crap football and lack of physical preparation of the squad.

Does he speak English? He bloody struggles in Portuguese so I doubt his English is up to much. Cracking player in his day though.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
Lets get the fiorentina ex coach- decent right hook on him and he will soon sort out the dressing room .
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 04:16:15 PM
If it's Grayson I will cry my eyes up from now until
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
I have been told:

THE NEW MANAGER WILL BE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

No point speculating further. Sorry for shouting.

Is this genuine?

I can't take any more ITK's, they are effecting my sleep and posture. They have robbed me of my youth and belief in humanity.

It'll be RDM.  I can feel it in my streams.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 04:16:15 PM
If it's Grayson I will cry my eyes up from now until
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 23, 2012, 03:32:22 PM
I have been told:

THE NEW MANAGER WILL BE ANNOUNCED BEFORE THIS WEEKEND. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

No point speculating further. Sorry for shouting.

Is this genuine?

I can't take any more ITK's, they are effecting my sleep and posture. They have robbed me of my youth and belief in humanity.

It'll be RDM.  I can feel it in my streams.

I think so too Des.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 04:21:42 PM
More names coming out of the woodwork every minute.

Are you sure we are not on the Crimewatch website?
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 23, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
I dont know what it is but ive just got a gut feeling its going to be de matteo. I think out of all the candidates that have been put out there hiring him would be a major bollock, apart from the obvious mad mick etc. 
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 04:26:33 PM
In my opinion it's either RDM or AVB... I can feel it in my waters now.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
Please not Di Matteo, that Chelsea side was dull as dishwater.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Gut feeling wise I think it'll be Martinez.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:28:58 PM
Cant see dimatteo getting the gig unless chelsea give him the boot - most talk is he will get a one year deal there until guardiola is available , if it is him though i wont complain .
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Post by: CJ on May 23, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
Lambert on R5 rubbishing stories of him moving, saying he is very happy where he is. Shame, I would have been happy with him. I fear things are pointing to RDM, which worries me given that (as I've said many times) at Albion he was sacked last February after getting 26 points from 25 PL games, and it was the dressing room which managed Chelski not RDM let alone AVB
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 04:33:04 PM
If it's di Matteo I may be forced to walk around looking sad for a bit, sighing and hoping somebody asks what's wrong.
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Post by: mrastonvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Gut feeling wise I think it'll be Martinez.

I think this too. Randy likes to sign new managers whilst they are on holiday!
Greece (?) last year, the Caribbean this year!
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 04:34:30 PM
Martinez favourite now,Lambert second,Grayson third
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 04:34:36 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 23, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
Lambert on R5 rubbishing stories of him moving, saying he is very happy where he is. Shame, I would have been happy with him. I fear things are pointing to RDM, which worries me given that (as I've said many times) at Albion he was sacked last February after getting 26 points from 25 PL games, and it was the dressing room which managed Chelski not RDM let alone AVB
No he wasn't. He got angry at being asked about it at Drury's testimonial and then said he had never asked to leave NCFC. It would be very different IF we approached him though.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Gut feeling wise I think it'll be Martinez.

I think this too. Randy likes to sign new managers whilst they are on holiday!
Greece (?) last year, the Caribbean this year!

I thought martinez was in boston seeing the liverpool mob?
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Gut feeling wise I think it'll be Martinez.

I think this too. Randy likes to sign new managers whilst they are on holiday!
Greece (?) last year, the Caribbean this year!

Martinez is currently in Boston talking to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', and he shouldn't be on our list anyway!
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Post by: mrastonvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: mrastonvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: John M on May 23, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
Gut feeling wise I think it'll be Martinez.

I think this too. Randy likes to sign new managers whilst they are on holiday!
Greece (?) last year, the Caribbean this year!

I thought martinez was in boston seeing the liverpool mob?

I think he was on holiday in the Caribbean somewhere and was flying to Boston to speak to them. Maybe Randy stopped off on his way home last week!
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2012, 04:37:57 PM
I have heard from a reliable source that the new manager will be in place before the season starts.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
I have heard from a reliable source that I have a special needs hairstyle.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 04:42:38 PM
RDM is a nono. He did nothing at Chelsea apart from stand on the touch line. Been said before that his Boggies record was terrible. Really havn't got a clue who is going to take over at the moment.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 23, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
I don't want Martinez, but as I said it's a 'gut feeling'.  And we had OGS over here for talks, so him going to Boston is not guarantee of anything!

I heard a bit of the Lambert rant on radio this morning and he never said he wasn't leaving, just that he was fed up being asked about it.  Saying you're going nowhere usually solves that, Paul, unless of course you are going.....................?   
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
No sign of kendrick today either, id expect randy is on the case as we speak, he will want to get things sorted before returning home id imagine , at the moment its a waiting game.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Ive got an awful feeling it's going to be Grayson
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 04:40:12 PM
I have heard from a reliable source that I have a special needs hairstyle.
A source very close to me and ITK says that I have a rather small penis and regularly ejaculate prematurely.

Bitch.
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 23, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Ive got an awful feeling it's going to be Grayson
Please be wrong.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
It would be fuckwittery beyond belief if they appointed Simon Grayson, but I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
No sign of kendrick today either, id expect randy is on the case as we speak, he will want to get things sorted before returning home id imagine , at the moment its a waiting game.

Yes, imagine this time yesterday he was enigmatically directing us to A-Ha.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 04:50:26 PM
 ;)So we are all just accepting that we will have a new manager in place in the next couple of days based on a post by a fella called Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit   
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
No sign of kendrick today either, id expect randy is on the case as we speak, he will want to get things sorted before returning home id imagine , at the moment its a waiting game.

Yes, imagine this time yesterday he was enigmatically directing us to A-Ha.

a stopped clock is right more often. Just surprised he hasn't used the old  "Mr X" ploy yet.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
No sign of kendrick today either, id expect randy is on the case as we speak, he will want to get things sorted before returning home id imagine , at the moment its a waiting game.

Yes, imagine this time yesterday he was enigmatically directing us to A-Ha.

Cry Wolf?
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 04:55:06 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 04:50:26 PM
;)So we are all just accepting that we will have a new manager in place in the next couple of days based on a post by a fella called Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit   

No. I think he is fishing.....
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Post by: Holte L2 on May 23, 2012, 04:57:00 PM
It's gone quiet on the AVB talk lately. Maybe we're getting AVB with Capello as DOF? And OGS was just a smokescreen? ;)
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 04:57:09 PM
surely Larry has a game Saturday so it can't be him in time for an end of week announcement from the glimmer twins
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
According to a report in Portugal (apparently!) - Andre Villas Boas is keen on the job... Nothing ITK about this, I can't even find the article, I just read about it.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 04:58:13 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 23, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 04:44:34 PM
No sign of kendrick today either, id expect randy is on the case as we speak, he will want to get things sorted before returning home id imagine , at the moment its a waiting game.

Yes, imagine this time yesterday he was enigmatically directing us to A-Ha.

Cry Wolf?

My first album bought was take on me, legend

Maybe this is all brinkmanship with Ole, he wasn't offered the job and maybe this was his way of making us sit on the pot and shit  ;)
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
According to a report in Portugal (apparently!) - Andre Villas Boas is keen on the job... Nothing ITK about this, I can't even find the article, I just read about it.

You missed out the word "Liverpool"
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
edit: being a tool
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Post by: richsvilla on May 23, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
I feel pretty dissapointed since OGS pulled out the race, I just cant get excited over the thought of Martinez cause his team dont get results till the end of the season so it says to me he can only get them motivated in a dire situation and as somone else said earlier RDM didnt change much at chelsea he just put it back to the way it was with the senior players playing more before villas-boas tried to fix something that wasnt broken. Is that just me been negative tho i wonder?
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 23, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
Where's that from Chris?
I'd like that a lot.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
If that's right we would be mental not to give it to him. He would have cost us £15million last summer.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 05:02:14 PM
Sorry - I got too excited and didn't read the next paragraph. And then realised it was a half-truth - probably designed to catch idiots and desperate Villa fans like me out!!
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 23, 2012, 05:02:29 PM
No chance of RDM getting it.  Never in a million years would Randy base this decision on a flukey, undeserved trophy win by a manager with a previously poor reputati... oh, shit.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:06:53 PM
RDM will have bigger fishes to fry than us if they let him go. As fat bastard Samuel said in the Mail today, Ambramovich would probably have signed him himself this summer given his trophies haul in 6 months. Reckon he'll end up in italy if not given the chelsea gig
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Post by: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Enrique "Quique" Sánchez Flores

 Valencia - in 1st season 3rd place, CL place and got to QF stage
 Benefica - Domestic league cup
 A. Madrid - UEFA cup winner

I believes speaks English (?)and more importantly WANTED to manage us last season. Now out in the football wilderness with Ahl Ahli, anyone think he could be a 'Wenger' type inspired choice?

 Also fits into the young,vibrant blah blah blah criteria. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 23, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
Any past losing Managers who have come across as personable to Lerner, could be up for the role.

That was one of the reasons Mc£eish got appointed
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
Any past losing Managers who have come across as personable to Lerner, could be up for the role.

That was one of the reasons Mc£eish got appointed


Could be Gary Mabbutt then, they reckon he's the nicest man in football !
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 23, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
Any past losing Managers who have come across as personable to Lerner, could be up for the role.

That was one of the reasons Mc£eish got appointed

True, but there haven't been too many losing managers at VP over the last season have there?
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Post by: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 23, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 23, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
I think another annoying thing is we are now back to being linked with similar targets to Liverpool. So its gonna seem like we'll have to wait to see what they do before we can. At least with OGS (as far as we know) he wasnt a target of theirs...

 Anyone know anything on Domingos Paciencia? Style of play? Does he even speak English?

He did very well for a season with Braga before moving to Sporting Clube de Portugal. He didn't last the season, sacked for lack of leadership/poor communication skills, crap football and lack of physical preparation of the squad.

Does he speak English? He bloody struggles in Portuguese so I doubt his English is up to much. Cracking player in his day though.

Ahh ok doesnt look good. Thanks for the info though dude hehe
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Post by: Hoppo on May 23, 2012, 05:13:14 PM
I see Richard Tonne is struggling with a lower abdominal micro-tear and is struggling to play for Eire the weekend.. more than one tummy then..
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 05:15:29 PM
Yep, and Given has a knee injury apparently!
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Post by: rutski on May 23, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
i didnt hear lambert say he wants to stop at norwich and he wasnt going to be aston villa manager!! i heard him tow the party line with his current club by saying he was happy to be norwich manager and that was it before telling the sky reporter to wind his neck in!!
my bet for new manager is paul lambert!
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Post by: David_Nab on May 23, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
It's ok not like we released a CB and GK today for free....
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
Rodgers not on anyone's radar then? - he may have turned down the ''The Mighty Reds YNWA' opportunity but does that rule him out of our little beauty parade?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.
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Post by: D.boy on May 23, 2012, 05:31:07 PM
Rodgers isn't going anywhere as he has recently signed a 3 yr contract and I can't see Randy splashing out millions in compo again even if Rodgers did want to come (which I don't believe he does for one minute).
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.

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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.



yeah but we didn't really did we. we spent 20m and lerner pocketed 20m from the sales of young and Downing. Unless we sell someone i doubt they'll be 20m this year
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.



yeah but we didn't really did we. we spent 20m and lerner pocketed 20m from the sales of young and Downing. Unless we sell someone i doubt they'll be 20m this year


Yes he pocketed that money didn't he greg?!
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Post by: Arsey on May 23, 2012, 05:44:21 PM
Can someone please reset the poll and remove the Norwegian?

I wanted Lambert initially but even if we get him, which I doubt, I will be disappointed.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.



yeah but we didn't really did we. we spent 20m and lerner pocketed 20m from the sales of young and Downing. Unless we sell someone i doubt they'll be 20m this year


Yes he pocketed that money didn't he greg?!


well its gone somewhere whether on keeping us afloat or on paying back the loans. Last summer the entire transfer budget was funded by sales. Who do we sell this year?
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 23, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
Randy's money went to paying off the ex-wife. By all accounts, she really took him to the wall when they broke up.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:43:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.



yeah but we didn't really did we. we spent 20m and lerner pocketed 20m from the sales of young and Downing. Unless we sell someone i doubt they'll be 20m this year


Yes he pocketed that money didn't he greg?!


well its gone somewhere whether on keeping us afloat or on paying back the loans. Last summer the entire transfer budget was funded by sales. Who do we sell this year?

Maybe the guy who has ploughed in 200million plus will put in again. Fees were never the issue, loading the wages on were the issue. Hopefully with those out on a free, plus those we can sell in Warnock, Collins etc, then we can rebuild with younger players on less wages.
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Post by: Rigadon on May 23, 2012, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.

I think they'd be interested in doubling their salaries for a start!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 23, 2012, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.

I think they'd be interested in doubling their salaries for a start!

not if its their last decent paid job. Mcleish was well paid but he's pretty much finished earning big money now but then he had years at Rangers. If they have a 'mare with us they may never get to that level again. As people have said before, not many go on and do better after leaving us, more likely end up like DOL. Its a big risk if you don't think you've got the money to compete and want a long term career over next season.
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Post by: supertom on May 23, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
I'll take Lambert at this point. People may bring up O Neill comparisons. I think he's got more potential though. He has a plan B, and eye for picking up good lower league players, and it would seem, doesn't have the same ego. The football style brings up similarities again, but we did enjoy some good stuff under Martin. Lambert can get his sides playing it nicely along the floor when needs be. So yep, bring it on. It comes with a certain level of certainty compared to OGS, and is the safer bet. Much as I'd have like the mystery taking such an gamble on OGS, I'm not adverse to the comfort of a solid mid-table finish, with the possibility of nabbing 7th or 8th.

Martinez isn't likely to join us. I'd welcome him too. Same with Rodger.

I get the feeling we could still end up missing all our targets then scraping the barrell on someone like McCarthy or Curbishley. That's what happened last year.
If we can't get a decent young manager, I'd rather give the job to K Mac and/or Sid for a year, or until someone else becomes available. I think it'd be better to stick within the club as opposed to some plodder who'll probably relegate us.
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Post by: villasjf on May 23, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
Newcastle 6 Villa 0 to Kmac sorry he has hit his ceiling.
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Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
That press conference Lambert did last night put me off him even more. It's no wonder the media don't get on with him - it would be another Dalglish looking like an arse. That would reflect on us.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
I'll take Lambert at this point. People may bring up O Neill comparisons. I think he's got more potential though. He has a plan B, and eye for picking up good lower league players, and it would seem, doesn't have the same ego. The football style brings up similarities again, but we did enjoy some good stuff under Martin. Lambert can get his sides playing it nicely along the floor when needs be. So yep, bring it on. It comes with a certain level of certainty compared to OGS, and is the safer bet. Much as I'd have like the mystery taking such an gamble on OGS, I'm not adverse to the comfort of a solid mid-table finish, with the possibility of nabbing 7th or 8th.

Martinez isn't likely to join us. I'd welcome him too. Same with Rodger.

I get the feeling we could still end up missing all our targets then scraping the barrell on someone like McCarthy or Curbishley. That's what happened last year.
If we can't get a decent young manager, I'd rather give the job to K Mac and/or Sid for a year, or until someone else becomes available. I think it'd be better to stick within the club as opposed to some plodder who'll probably relegate us.

I think kmac would probably relegate us , bit harsh branding curbishley with mccarthy ,but i agree we should go all out and try to tempt lambert .
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Post by: supertom on May 23, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: villasjf on May 23, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
Newcastle 6 Villa 0 to Kmac sorry he has hit his ceiling.
I still think we'd win more games with Mac and Sid running things, that McCarthy, or McLeish for that matter. Ideal world though, we'll get one of our preferred choices and won't have to worry about it.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 06:11:04 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/05/23/ralf-rangnick-keen-on%E2%80%88west-bromwich-albion%E2%80%88post/
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Post by: villadelph on May 23, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
At this point I don't think we are going to get anyone in the poll above. Our stock has absolutely plummeted. No ones going to leave the stability of their previous club to sort out our mess. We are going to end up unhappy and with a really crap manager. The likes of Holloway, McCoist, Phil Brown.. that's who we'll end up with.

No ambition to find a proper manager.. just the hope we can coast along and be 'okay' for the next few years.

It's not going to get any better for the B6.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
I'll take Lambert at this point. People may bring up O Neill comparisons. I think he's got more potential though. He has a plan B, and eye for picking up good lower league players, and it would seem, doesn't have the same ego. The football style brings up similarities again, but we did enjoy some good stuff under Martin. Lambert can get his sides playing it nicely along the floor when needs be. So yep, bring it on. It comes with a certain level of certainty compared to OGS, and is the safer bet. Much as I'd have like the mystery taking such an gamble on OGS, I'm not adverse to the comfort of a solid mid-table finish, with the possibility of nabbing 7th or 8th.

Martinez isn't likely to join us. I'd welcome him too. Same with Rodger.

I get the feeling we could still end up missing all our targets then scraping the barrell on someone like McCarthy or Curbishley. That's what happened last year.
If we can't get a decent young manager, I'd rather give the job to K Mac and/or Sid for a year, or until someone else becomes available. I think it'd be better to stick within the club as opposed to some plodder who'll probably relegate us.

I think kmac would probably relegate us

What makes you say that Eastie?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 23, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
At this point I don't think we are going to get anyone in the poll above. Our stock has absolutely plummeted. No ones going to leave the stability of their previous club to sort out our mess. We are going to end up unhappy and with a really crap manager. The likes of Holloway, McCoist, Phil Brown.. that's who we'll end up with.

No ambition to find a proper manager.. just the hope we can coast along and be 'okay' for the next few years.

It's not going to get any better for the B6.

Have you been on the sherry with the gnasher- cheer up , lets wait and see who we get first.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:20:19 PM
Most of the players want kmac because hes friendly with them , they see him as a nice guy , not the sort to clear them out, the games against newcastle , everton and stoke under him were dreadful, everton battered us and lost 1-0 and newcastle battered us 6-0, and thats with players supposedly wanting him to get the job at the time.

We need a new broome in the place and the club needs a lift , i dont see kmac as that man , good in the job he holds but not a premier manager in my view. I think we would struggle badly if he was in charge.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 06:21:26 PM
FFS why all the shroud waving? We have not offered anyone the gig yet . Its only a week since TSM went. If it were the begining of July I'd feel concerned but not yet.
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 23, 2012, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 23, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
At this point I don't think we are going to get anyone in the poll above. Our stock has absolutely plummeted. No ones going to leave the stability of their previous club to sort out our mess. We are going to end up unhappy and with a really crap manager. The likes of Holloway, McCoist, Phil Brown.. that's who we'll end up with.

No ambition to find a proper manager.. just the hope we can coast along and be 'okay' for the next few years.

It's not going to get any better for the B6.

That's the spirit. Give up all hope even though the process has barely started.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: Dæv Cøoper on May 23, 2012, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 23, 2012, 06:12:43 PM
At this point I don't think we are going to get anyone in the poll above. Our stock has absolutely plummeted. No ones going to leave the stability of their previous club to sort out our mess. We are going to end up unhappy and with a really crap manager. The likes of Holloway, McCoist, Phil Brown.. that's who we'll end up with.

No ambition to find a proper manager.. just the hope we can coast along and be 'okay' for the next few years.

It's not going to get any better for the B6.

That's the spirit. Give up all hope even though the process has barely started.



its what we do best
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Post by: saunders_heroes on May 23, 2012, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: villasjf on May 23, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
Newcastle 6 Villa 0 to Kmac sorry he has hit his ceiling.
I still think we'd win more games with Mac and Sid running things, that McCarthy, or McLeish for that matter. Ideal world though, we'll get one of our preferred choices and won't have to worry about it.

I think we'd be relegated with that pair in charge.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 23, 2012, 06:25:32 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 23, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: villasjf on May 23, 2012, 06:06:10 PM
Newcastle 6 Villa 0 to Kmac sorry he has hit his ceiling.
I still think we'd win more games with Mac and Sid running things, that McCarthy, or McLeish for that matter. Ideal world though, we'll get one of our preferred choices and won't have to worry about it.

I think we'd be relegated with that pair in charge.

I doubt we'd be relegated, but i'm far from convinced that we'd ever be anything but mid-table under them.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:28:01 PM
If Ralf Rangnick wants the Albion, he would take the villa. Should be in like a shot with his record.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 06:29:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:20:19 PM
Most of the players want kmac because hes friendly with them , they see him as a nice guy , not the sort to clear them out, the games against newcastle , everton and stoke under him were dreadful, everton battered us and lost 1-0 and newcastle battered us 6-0, and thats with players supposedly wanting him to get the job at the time.

We need a new broome in the place and the club needs a lift , i dont see kmac as that man , good in the job he holds but not a premier manager in my view. I think we would struggle badly if he was in charge.

I quite agree that we do need a new direction and Kmac would'nt be my choice either but to say he'd probably relegate us is unfair. Ironically, if we had'nt picked up those 6 points out of the first 3 games before Houiller came in, we might have been in trouble.

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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
nah, its like i said before AM got the boot. We're gonna struggle to attract Lambert or Rodgers unless we offer them more chance than they have now. Why be skint at Villa and get hammered if you struggle, when you can be skint at Swansea/Norwich and be praised? My hope was the transfer purse strings would be opened but it doesn't look like it so far. They may be ambitious but they want a decent chance to be a success as well.


We have no idea what funds are available. At our most skint we spent 20 million last summer, I reckon we would give the new man a minimum of 20 million again this with how weak we are and where we finished.



yeah but we didn't really did we...
Yes, we did! Badlly, but the money was spent.
With the wage bill unravelling a little - and perhaps with the sale of Bent or Agbonlahor - there will be money for the new guy; more so than available to the managers of Swansea, Wigan and Norwich, I suspect. But it won't be Citeh-esque spending!

The question is: who will be spending it?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
Am I missing something with Rangnick? As far as I can tell his main thing is to not win anything apart from promotion and to get sacked for crap results?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
Am I missing something with Rangnick? As far as I can tell his main thing is to not win anything apart from promotion and to get sacked for crap results?

Maybe, I thought his win percentage was fairly good though. You might be right. Will research further.
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 23, 2012, 06:37:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 06:28:01 PM
If Ralf Rangnick wants the Albion, he would take the villa. Should be in like a shot with his record.

And what is that exactly? Bit of a journeyman for me.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 06:40:28 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.
Dr Joe?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
I know it's wiki but this his profile on their. Promotion and sacking seems the main theme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Rangnick 
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.

Must admit to not knowing a lot about him but it seems a lot of those wins are in the lower leagues.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.

Must admit to not knowing a lot about him but it seems a lot of those wins are in the lower leagues.

Could say the exact same thing about Lambert.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 23, 2012, 06:46:51 PM
Why on earth would we choose someone who only nine months ago quit saying he didn't have "the necessary energy to be successful and to develop the team and the club"?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.

Must admit to not knowing a lot about him but it seems a lot of those wins are in the lower leagues.

Could say the exact same thing about Lambert.

Who i'm not keen on.

But he also hasn't been sacked a few times for poor results in the top flight either. Unlike Rangnick. He's also 10 years younger which leaves room for improvement, is Rangnick at 53 suddenly going to improve?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 06:49:24 PM
but is he vibrant?
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.

He'll do- sign him up randy, the prospect of grayson doesnt bear thinking about.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
I think the only vibrant manager is Fat Sam. And that's thanks to his employers products.
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Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
I think the only vibrant manager is Fat Sam. And that's thanks to his employers products.
Thanks for the imagery on that comment - doesn't bear thinking about!
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
If the Baggies get Ralf Rangnick and we don't get a really top quality manager in I'm going to be pissed off.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 23, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Martinez back as favourite with all the bookies  :'(

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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
If the Baggies get Ralf Rangnick and we don't get a really top quality manager in I'm going to be pissed off.

WBA have a better ownership than Villa so stand a much better chance I'm afraid.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:58:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
This Rangnick's starting to seem like a great candidate, he's never had a win percentage less then 42%.

He's also nicknamed the 'Football Professor' which sounds promising.

Must admit to not knowing a lot about him but it seems a lot of those wins are in the lower leagues.

Could say the exact same thing about Lambert.

Who i'm not keen on.

But he also hasn't been sacked a few times for poor results in the top flight either. Unlike Rangnick. He's also 10 years younger which leaves room for improvement, is Rangnick at 53 suddenly going to improve?

I think I may have come across in the wrong way here, I still hold Lambert as my personal number one choice, but I'm just saying I have nothing wrong with Rangnick.
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:59:29 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
If the Baggies get Ralf Rangnick and we don't get a really top quality manager in I'm going to be pissed off.

WBA have a better ownership than Villa so stand a much better chance I'm afraid.

I wish I could disagree, but I can't. Their set up is much better currently.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 23, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Martinez back as favourite with all the bookies  :'(



Cue Whelan speaking openly to talksport about how small time Villa are
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
Is Montpellier's manager any good? They won the league with no money so he might be worth a punt.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:02:54 PM
Maybe we should reset the poll with Rangnick and whoever else added in, with OGS being taken out?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
I think the only vibrant manager is Fat Sam. And that's thanks to his employers products.

heh. Its been bothering me ever since faulkner started using it so i finally checked the definition to make sure it meant what i thought.

1.Full of energy and enthusiasm. - see not many managers are like that. Can't think of one off the top of my head

2.Quivering; pulsating - now that would be worth seeing. Redknapp sort of twitches
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
If the Baggies get Ralf Rangnick and we don't get a really top quality manager in I'm going to be pissed off.

WBA have a better ownership than Villa so stand a much better chance I'm afraid.
Are you on a wind up?
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
I think the only vibrant manager is Fat Sam. And that's thanks to his employers products.

heh. Its been bothering me ever since faulkner started using it so i finally checked the definition to make sure it meant what i thought.

1.Full of energy and enthusiasm. - see not many managers are like that. Can't think of one off the top of my head

2.Quivering; pulsating - now that would be worth seeing. Redknapp sort of twitches

I'm pretty sure I've often seen Terry Connor 'quivering', for what it's worth.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 07:08:48 PM
It's like a Wetherspoon's, this thread.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 07:06:58 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 23, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
If the Baggies get Ralf Rangnick and we don't get a really top quality manager in I'm going to be pissed off.

WBA have a better ownership than Villa so stand a much better chance I'm afraid.
Are you on a wind up?

Let's look at the last 3 or 4 appointments/sackings and transfer dealings.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Darren Bent. Go on, claim that was a disaster. I double dare you.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2012, 07:15:07 PM
All of the loal journos have been very very quiet today. Something brewing?
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Post by: Steve kirk on May 23, 2012, 07:17:17 PM
All this speculation, ITK bullshit etc is already wearing me out, really hope this dosent linger on into June, last year I went on hols in early June and was bombarded with texts with rumours all through the holiday, one of the final texts was that Randy was flying to Corsica which led me to believe that a top Italian is taking the reins only to find later that the Scottish manager was out there on holiday, please wrap this up before I go on the 4th of June, by the way I would like Gus Poyet or Eddie Howe.         
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 07:18:43 PM
Wheres Randy anyway? Has his Falcon been spotted?
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 23, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2012, 07:15:07 PM
All of the loal journos have been very very quiet today. Something brewing?

Because they don't know anything?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 07:18:58 PM
Reset the poll, voted Poyet, as I like him.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 07:19:51 PM
Can someone please explain the Rangnick love-in? I admit to not knowing a fat lot about him but this doesn't exactly excite me when coupled with no trophies won apart from promotion.

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However, the team would fail to progress beyond the group stage, and sat 10 points off the pace in the Bundesliga, as well as having crashed 0–6 in the DFB Cup to Eintracht Frankfurt. Shortly before the winter break, these factors forced the club to dismiss Rangnick. 

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but as their form nosedived in the second half of the 2003–04 season, Rangnick was fired after a 0–1 defeat at Borussia Mönchengladbach in March 2004. 

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their league form was mediocre and they were sat in the relegation zone by the halfway point. After their European exit in February 2001, VfB Stuttgart fired Rangnick.
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
Pat Murphy has just been on R5 twittering on, saying nothing because he knows nothing but trying to make out that he does!

Totally off this topic, R5 also reporting that Joey Barton banned for 12 games for his last day of season rush of blood! Deservedly so as well.
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Post by: KRS on May 23, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
Can AVB and Van Gaal be added to the poll please?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:23:47 PM
out of them i'm still going for Rodgers, as opposed to who i think we're most likely to get which is still lambert.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:25:24 PM
Rangnick and the dominoes pizza guy etc, are in there respected countries probably viewed in the same way as we see someone like Mclaren or Grayson
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 07:26:09 PM
Brendan Rodgers.
Do you know he was given as an answer on Pointless today?
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Does anybody want to explain why they voted Gus Poyet? I get that he's a nice guy but has he really proven himself as a manager?
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Post by: Shrek on May 23, 2012, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 07:18:58 PM
Reset the poll, voted Poyet, as I like him.

I went right off Gus when all the Suarez rasicm thing happened.
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 23, 2012, 07:26:30 PM
can we add emile now hes out of work
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
Still in the lambert camp more hope than expectancy though.
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Post by: adrenachrome on May 23, 2012, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 23, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
Can AVB and Van Gaal be added to the poll please?

Might as well add The Special One and Sir Alf Ramsay.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2012, 07:15:07 PM
All of the loal journos have been very very quiet today. Something brewing?

Just heard Neil Moxley on Talksport, poor fella, didn't know where to turn when asked about who would be the next manager. I think they're all very confused right now. The one interesting thing he did think is that probably nothing will happen in the immediate future. My reading on that is we're probably waiting to see what happens at Klanfield, what with AVB and Martinez linked. I still wouldn't rule out Lambert. The man speaks in riddles so wouldn't dismiss him just yet.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Does anybody want to explain why they voted Gus Poyet? I get that he's a nice guy but has he really proven himself as a manager?

Saved Brighton from relegation when they looked doomed,won promotion as Champions the next season,got them into contention for the plays offs in their first year back in the Championship when they were one of the favourites for relegation.

I know its been a short managerial career,but he fits into the young and up and coming bracket,just like OGS and the rest.
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Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 07:34:36 PM
Not saying that we will but we could appoint someone tomorrow for all that the media know.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2012, 07:36:22 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 23, 2012, 07:34:36 PM
Not saying that we will but we could appoint someone tomorrow for all that the media know.

Sure but then the club are keeping their cards very close to their chest (assuming they have more cards).
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that

Unless you change your username beforehand!
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 23, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that
This is what is called an eastie moment.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:39:45 PM
My sources tell me to put them on a bacon sandwich.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that

awh come on. is he on the list?
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Post by: l_mckay on May 23, 2012, 07:43:36 PM
Lambert for me,no that confident anymore though for some reason. aslong as its 1 of the top 3 on the list that will do me
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 23, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that
This is what is called an eastie moment.

I think ole's change of heart shocked many , not just me bigad.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that

awh come on. is he on the list?



Like I say, as soon as its announced I will then tell you I knew it was him all along
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Unless...


'England women's manager Hope Powell may consider her future '  Telegraph
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:50:15 PM
cheers for the pm. all i can say is Meltdown.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
Anyone know if randy is still over here?
Kendrick and nursey seem to be absent today , the sound of silence is all around, definately keeping this one close to their chest.
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 07:52:07 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
I actually know who it's going to be, but am sworn to secrecy untill after the official unveiling,
so sorry about that

awh come on. is he on the list?



Like I say, as soon as its announced I will then tell you I knew it was him all along

I do like that old chestnut.  Between me and you, has he just won a rather large European trophy and thereby crossing my palm with 140 gold coins?  I won't tell a soul, trust me.
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Post by: Jimbo on May 23, 2012, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:50:15 PM
cheers for the pm. all i can say is Meltdown.

Does it make you happy though, Greg?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2012, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 23, 2012, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 07:50:15 PM
cheers for the pm. all i can say is Meltdown.

Does it make you happy though, Greg?

Of course it do, Greg will be our new manager.
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Post by: frank on May 23, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
Jim White from Sky on Solskjær :
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Deciding how and when to move from his first job in management was always going to be a delicate decision. Get it wrong, choose a club without the cash or stability required to build a dynasty and he could crash and burn before his career was really underway. History is littered with those who made the wrong choice. For every Alan Pardew and Brendan Rogers who have been gifted a second chance, there are a dozen Paul Inces and David O'Learys whose star has quickly fizzled out.
Yet, for a man of clear ambition, Villa seemed ideal: a place temporarily disillusioned, perhaps, but not in disarray, it could be quickly turned round into something substantial. Plus, there is clearly money there. To Lerner's evident disappointment, however, Solskjaer decided to stay put.
Which makes you wonder: what is he waiting for? Whatever his personal strengths, at Molde he will never gain the experience necessary to step straight into a job at a Champions League side. We can only hope he has not just turned down his best chance to make his name
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Cannot see di matteo getting the chelsea bullet after landing the holy grail, if so then he wouldnt be in my top 3 choices but would be a lot better than most names bandied about today.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Unless...


'England women's manager Hope Powell may consider her future '  Telegraph

Well hope is something we are all desperately lacking right now.
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Post by: SashasGrandad on May 23, 2012, 07:56:14 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Unless...


'England women's manager Hope Powell may consider her future '  Telegraph

Might be worth a chance

At least if they were playing crap we could have a few verses of "Get your ti..........
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Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Of that list, and if voting was by Proportional Representation:

1. Lambert
2. Rodgers
3. Martinez
4. RDM
5. Kevin Mac
6. Poyet
7. Grayson

No preference for Holloway.
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 07:57:14 PM
Gareth Southgate hasn't had many mentions thus far?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 07:57:50 PM
What's Gabriella Benson up to these days?
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 23, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
Unless...


'England women's manager Hope Powell may consider her future '  Telegraph

Well hope is something we are all desperately lacking right now.

It's still not as bad as 10 days ago when TSM was still in charge!
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Of that list, and if voting was by Proportional Representation:

1. Lambert
2. Rodgers
3. Martinez
4. RDM
5. Kevin Mac
6. Poyet
7. Grayson

No preference for Holloway.


Kevin Mac currently has 0%?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Of that list, and if voting was by Proportional Representation:

1. Lambert
2. Rodgers
3. Martinez
4. RDM
5. Kevin Mac
6. Poyet
7. Grayson

No preference for Holloway.


Kevin Mac currently has 0%?

The bit in bold may be a clue?
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Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 08:02:47 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Of that list, and if voting was by Proportional Representation:

1. Lambert
2. Rodgers
3. Martinez
4. RDM
5. Kevin Mac
6. Poyet
7. Grayson

No preference for Holloway.


Kevin Mac currently has 0%?

Sorry, I was listing my preferred candidates in order of preference.

edit PeterWithesShin got there first. Cheers.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
The truth now is though, that no one has the slightest clue again.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 23, 2012, 08:03:04 PM
From the new poll;

None of them! I was in the Lambert camp before the OGS saga, but now Im not so sure. If he wants to be Aston Villa manager then he should bloody well be moving heaven and earth to achieve it, not moaning at the press every time its hinted.

Is it too much to ask in this day and age for someone to want the job? not just take the job.
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:03:44 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
Of that list, and if voting was by Proportional Representation:

1. Lambert
2. Rodgers
3. Martinez
4. RDM
5. Kevin Mac
6. Poyet
7. Grayson

No preference for Holloway.


Kevin Mac currently has 0%?

The bit in bold may be a clue?

Same top 4 for me but poyet, grayson and kmac in 5th , 6th, 7th in that order.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
I really hope the board has looked outside anyone named in the poll.
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
It would'nt surprise me if it ended up being Martinez.
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Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
it's starting to feel like last years debacle so we could end up with Mick McCarthy, another sound bloke who would be good company for a pint but a crap manager.
I like the idea of Gus Poyet, he could well end up being a top manager, but it's a risk
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Post by: joecrow on May 23, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
out of the list, poyet for me- has transformed brighton with a supporting chairman, decent football too. lambert looks to have a bit of a problem with pressure judging by his recent press conferences.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by: charlie on May 23, 2012, 08:19:11 PM
Somewhat sad that Ozzjim's new dog, Dougal McJock , is not in the running. Bugger sounds just like Lambert .
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Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
It would'nt surprise me if it ended up being Martinez.

It would surprise me but pleasantly, could do better but could do much much worse than him.
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 23, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 23, 2012, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
It would'nt surprise me if it ended up being Martinez.

It would surprise me but pleasantly, could do better but could do much much worse than him.
Why would you want a manager who didn't have the bollocks to come 12 months ago?
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 08:10:11 PM
I really hope the board has looked outside anyone named in the poll.
Same as. The list is not wide enough for my liking. Why are only managers already working in England heading the poll?
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 23, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
I was thinking earlier,thankgod there was no interweb in the summer of 91. BFR quit Sheff Wed,then went back,then quit again,this place would've been in meltdown.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
zzzzzzzzzz
What's your problem
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Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
If villa not big enough for Martinez, Rodgers not ready to jump, lambert  difficult to get released then? Still reckon Poyet best of rest, why is Grayson up there?
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 08:30:22 PM
Clearly the voters of H & V constituency are to elect the next manager as opposed to the guy who bought up all the shares getting somebody.
 
But here  it looks like we are using some flawed outdated first past the post system.

We need some sort of Single Transferable Vote please?
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Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
zzzzzzzzzz
What's your problem
Your fear mongering. How about you "grow some nuts" and show a bit of patience. It has been 9 days since we sacked our manager, not 9 months. There are 3 other PL clubs without managers it isn't a big deal.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 08:30:22 PM
Clearly the voters of H & V constituency are to elect the next manager as opposed to the guy who bought up all the shares getting somebody.
 
But here  it looks like we are using some flawed outdated first past the post system.

We need some sort of Single Transferable Vote please?

I'm way ahead of you! Check the previous page!
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you
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Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
zzzzzzzzzz
What's your problem
Your fear mongering. How about you "grow some nuts" and show a bit of patience. It has been 9 days since we sacked our manager, not 9 months. There are 3 other PL clubs without managers it isn't a big deal.

Albion in effect have been without one since two games from the end of the season. As long as we have on in place for early June, then we'll be fine (depending on who it of course).
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Post by: KRS on May 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Listening to TalkShite earlier and they were saying Holloway would be the perfect match for Villa in terms of being a good footballing manager and putting some much needed character and personality back into the club. As much as I dont like to admit it, he is alively personality and could be just what we need right now...even if he is a gobshite!

From what I have heard, Chris Hughton is nailed on for Baggies, and I would be surprised if Chelski dont offer Di Matteo the job after bringing home the holy grail.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 23, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 23, 2012, 08:15:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
Poyet, Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers for me.

A good list Ozz, but our owners needs some nuts or we will end up with KMac.
zzzzzzzzzz
What's your problem
Your fear mongering. How about you "grow some nuts" and show a bit of patience. It has been 9 days since we sacked our manager, not 9 months. There are 3 other PL clubs without managers it isn't a big deal.

Albion in effect have been without one since two games from the end of the season. As long as we have on in place for early June, then we'll be fine (depending on who it of course).
Albion always have a plan and execute it, our owners don't.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Listening to TalkShite earlier and they were saying Holloway would be the perfect match for Villa in terms of being a good footballing manager and putting some much needed character and personality back into the club. As much as I dont like to admit it, he is alively personality and could be just what we need right now...even if he is a gobshite!

From what I have heard, Chris Hughton is nailed on for Baggies, and I would be surprised if Chelski dont offer Di Matteo the job after bringing home the holy grail.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 08:43:50 PM
I dunno. Holloway is like Maradona. Plays batshit nutty attacking football and its a loud mouth prat who is very entertaining.

The difference is Maradona hasnt dissed our club, in fact he publicly said he would love to manage us.

El Diego - IN!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
What he said was totally unprofessional. He liked the sound of his own voice in the Premiership. No-one gives a shit what he says down in the Championship.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Listening to TalkShite earlier and they were saying Holloway would be the perfect match for Villa in terms of being a good footballing manager and putting some much needed character and personality back into the club. As much as I dont like to admit it, he is alively personality and could be just what we need right now...even if he is a gobshite!

From what I have heard, Chris Hughton is nailed on for Baggies, and I would be surprised if Chelski dont offer Di Matteo the job after bringing home the holy grail.
Holloway is a good choice in my opinion and we could all piss ourselves at his pre-match interview,then watch us demolish everybody in sight.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Listening to TalkShite earlier and they were saying Holloway would be the perfect match for Villa in terms of being a good footballing manager and putting some much needed character and personality back into the club. As much as I dont like to admit it, he is alively personality and could be just what we need right now...even if he is a gobshite!

From what I have heard, Chris Hughton is nailed on for Baggies, and I would be surprised if Chelski dont offer Di Matteo the job after bringing home the holy grail.
Holloway is a good choice in my opinion and we could all piss ourselves at his pre-match interview,then watch us demolish everybody in sight.

lol that,s more like it , something ................. you know ............. with some bollocks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 23, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 23, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Listening to TalkShite earlier and they were saying Holloway would be the perfect match for Villa in terms of being a good footballing manager and putting some much needed character and personality back into the club. As much as I dont like to admit it, he is alively personality and could be just what we need right now...even if he is a gobshite!

From what I have heard, Chris Hughton is nailed on for Baggies, and I would be surprised if Chelski dont offer Di Matteo the job after bringing home the holy grail.
Holloway is a good choice in my opinion and we could all piss ourselves at his pre-match interview,then watch us demolish everybody in sight.

lol that,s more like it , something ................. you know ............. with some bollocks
Nice chap.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2012, 08:51:39 PM
I quite like Holloway. Quirky, strange egg.  I'd prefer Martinez or Lambert but I wouldn't be too upset with Holloway. 

I wonder if Lambert is playing hard to get because the OGS thing broke early.  Sulking?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.

Oh take pride ermmmmmmmm ok , well lets take my years of season ticket money and the generations of villa fans in my family to one side .......... Lets keep banging our chests about pride .......... bollocks , how about lets be open minded and modern in our thinking. Can someone let me know if my message got back to 1985 and has reached Phil. Thanks
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
If Holloway is such a great manager, why did he get relegated? And then fail to be promoted?

Even after you've overlooked everything else about him - say, the fact that he looks like a jacket potato - the fact remains that he an unsuccessful football manager.

Maybe it makes me a set-in-my-ways dinosaur, but I don't rate him. Sorry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 08:56:27 PM
Has anybody mentioned the second coming of Dr Venglos. Just asking as every other name has been mentioned! FFS! No-one knows apart from Lerner and Faulkner who is in the frame and that is the way it will stay until they decide otherwise. The bookies are making a fortune out of our guess work and i cannot stand bookies,robbing gits.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 08:57:26 PM
The only advantage to Holloway would be the amount of chances Bent would get per game. Besides, i hate that long black coat he wears on the touchline.,
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Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
If Holloway is such a great manager, why did he get relegated? And then fail to be promoted?

Even after you've overlooked everything else about him - say, the fact that he looks like a jacket potato - the fact remains that he an unsuccessful football manager.

Maybe it makes me a set-in-my-ways dinosaur, but I don't rate him. Sorry.

He is an ok manager, and I think he would do ok, but there is not point at all appointing a manager the fans are not approving of this time. It has to be someone that the fans can cope with, and Holloway won't get that.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
If Holloway is such a great manager, why did he get relegated? And then fail to be promoted?

Even after you've overlooked everything else about him - say, the fact that he looks like a jacket potato - the fact remains that he an unsuccessful football manager.

Maybe it makes me a set-in-my-ways dinosaur, but I don't rate him. Sorry.

jacket Potato, brilliant,  i'l never look at him in the same way now

(you are an old dinosaur by the way)
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Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
If Holloway is such a great manager, why did he get relegated? And then fail to be promoted?

Even after you've overlooked everything else about him - say, the fact that he looks like a jacket potato - the fact remains that he an unsuccessful football manager.

Maybe it makes me a set-in-my-ways dinosaur, but I don't rate him. Sorry.

lol you win........ he does look like a jacket potatoe ............ love it
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 23, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.

Oh take pride ermmmmmmmm ok , well lets take my years of season ticket money and the generations of villa fans in my family to one side .......... Lets keep banging our chests about pride .......... bollocks , how about lets be open minded and modern in our thinking. Can someone let me know if my message got back to 1985 and has reached Phil. Thanks

Settle down sweet cheeks!

You can be modern without picking a pillock. eg Laudrup, Martinez, Rodgers etc
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Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
If Holloway is such a great manager, why did he get relegated? And then fail to be promoted?

Even after you've overlooked everything else about him - say, the fact that he looks like a jacket potato - the fact remains that he an unsuccessful football manager.

Maybe it makes me a set-in-my-ways dinosaur, but I don't rate him. Sorry.
Looks like a jacket potato? Funny as f..k.HaHa. Would you rate him if he was covered in beans and cheese? Or maybe a nice chilli con carne?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.

Oh take pride ermmmmmmmm ok , well lets take my years of season ticket money and the generations of villa fans in my family to one side .......... Lets keep banging our chests about pride .......... bollocks , how about lets be open minded and modern in our thinking. Can someone let me know if my message got back to 1985 and has reached Phil. Thanks



flippin eck mate, you only got 5 posts and are already in a full blown argument
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
Holloway? No thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:01:18 PM
I get your point, though. We aren't 'too good' for anyone. It's a question of whether they're good enough to do a job for us. I know Blackpool fans love him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.

Oh take pride ermmmmmmmm ok , well lets take my years of season ticket money and the generations of villa fans in my family to one side .......... Lets keep banging our chests about pride .......... bollocks , how about lets be open minded and modern in our thinking. Can someone let me know if my message got back to 1985 and has reached Phil. Thanks



flippin eck mate, you only got 5 posts and are already in a full blown argument

That new Greg bloke managed about 5 arguments today and he's only got 37 posts.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 09:04:24 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 23, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 23, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I agree with Phil. I take pride in my club. Anyone who disrespects it to that degree can doesn't deserve a chance.

Oh take pride ermmmmmmmm ok , well lets take my years of season ticket money and the generations of villa fans in my family to one side .......... Lets keep banging our chests about pride .......... bollocks , how about lets be open minded and modern in our thinking. Can someone let me know if my message got back to 1985 and has reached Phil. Thanks



flippin eck mate, you only got 5 posts and are already in a full blown argument

That new Greg bloke managed about 5 arguments today and he's only got 37 posts.

Sorry been reading and got pissed off , my appologies to all, just frustrated fan
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Post by: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Aren't we all at the moment? Welcome to the site.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
The jacket potato is a half arsed manager at a club with a half arsed history, plying his trade in a half arsed league. Thanks but no thanks. No one disses the Villa and ends up with the gig.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:06:49 PM
Yes, welcome to the site SWV. Don't mind us, we're always a bit like this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
The jacket potato is a half arsed manager at a club with a half arsed history, plying his trade in a half arsed league. Thanks but no thanks. No one disses the Villa and ends up with the gig.

The jacket potato is a failed manager at a club with a little history, plying his trade in a lower league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KRS on May 23, 2012, 09:07:30 PM
Holloway isnt actually that bad a shout really especially when you consider he'd provide a similar footballing ethos to OGS, Martinez and Rodgers...but more importantly, he wouldnt take any shite from our senior players. I would have more faith in Holloway either getting performances or getting rid of them than any of the other candidates on the list.

edit:
...and if he does turn out to be the right man for the job, then those comments he made would long forgotten with a statement of apology followed by great performances and results on the pitch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Albions last two managers, won champions league and England manager. They seem do know what English football is all about. We can't match yet we always think we are top dogs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
Holloway would certainly be interesting and a better option than grayson , kmac , not the best option available but i could live with that choice , certainly not boring , just reading his autobiography actually on my kindle and very good it is too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:09:39 PM
Albion are better than the Villa. Now I have heard it all on here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
We can't match the Stripies?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2012, 09:11:23 PM
he'd always be a heartbeat away from becoming a packet of instant mash
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Aren't we all at the moment? Welcome to the site.

Thanks for your understanding, but watching our mighty football club beaning passed around on sky sports like a 3 quid whore really get my blood boiling, and I know I will get a kicking for this but "deadly" would never have let this happen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:12:21 PM
Have I missed something? Did everybody take mescaline while I was having my tea?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.


Gregory never played attacking football, he was known for playing the exact opposite to the football Holloway plays, whether people like him or not is fair enough, but holloway does play attacking entertaining passing football, even on limited budgets
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:14:04 PM
Albion better than villa, hell no. But might have more clue with appointing managers. Can you see them appointing the manager of relegated rival?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 23, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
I can't stand holloway but at least we would go to old Trafford and try and win the game
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 23, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Right used up one  of my days off  today and only tomorrow off before the next stint so hopefully when i log on in the morning we will have heard some positive news , i will bid you all a goodnight and  enjoy your entertaining debate lads!
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
jacket potatoes half arsed army

jacket potatoes half arsed army

jacket potatoes half arsed army :P
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 09:16:55 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
If villa not big enough for Martinez, Rodgers not ready to jump, lambert  difficult to get released then? Still reckon Poyet best of rest, why is Grayson up there?

He spent a day at BH last week apparently, and some ITK or such put £80 on him at the bookies plus his odds have shortened somewhat today I believe! He worries me though, as I posted this morning:

At Leeds he kept them in a healthy enough league postion on a really shit budget under old Master Bates but he is relatively young, ex-Villa (signed by Sir Brian IIRC), and may by Saturday night have a promotion under his belt (albeit with someone else's team). Could this have a 'young and vibrant' spin put on it? Was OGS this years Martinez before appointing a 'safe pair of hands' under a new guise?

It's a bit 'conspiracy theory' even to me, but it's also plausible given the board appointed TSM isn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 09:18:50 PM
Holloway whatever you think of him personally would be a disaster with our defence. Has anyone ever conceded treble figures in goals during a season in the premier? I'd reckon we'd come close
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:19:08 PM
The horror of this is that it's showing parallels with our managerial search last season. Hopefully it won't have an equally poor outcome, I'm sure it won't. 
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 23, 2012, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 09:09:39 PM
Albion are better than the Villa. Now I have heard it all on here.

Never but their recent manager selections have been thoughtful, timely and fairly inspired
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Post by: itbrvilla on May 23, 2012, 09:21:39 PM
Well I'll check him out as I'm going Wembley on sat. Can't really be him surely?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ads on May 23, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
You have to have a pretty serious glue addiction or be a massive stripey faced twat to believe that Sandwell fucking Town are a better option than us.

Not in this life or the next.
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Who's voted for the Pizza boy? Not having a go, curious as to why that's all as he's relatively unknown.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
Thank you Ads. The voice of reason, as ever.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 23, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
You have to have a pretty serious glue addiction or be a massive stripey faced twat to believe that Sandwell fucking Town are a better option than us.

Not in this life or the next.
Calm down, only in terms of picking a manager. Mind you the pies are good there
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Post by: paulcomben on May 23, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
Just checked in for the first time since Villa were outfought by Norwegian minnows. Embarrassing.

Aghast at any support for that clown Holloway.

Would support anyone else on the list, except I am certain that pizza is massively overrated.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john2710 on May 23, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

Not a chance in hell will they appoint that clown.
He can stay at his 'half-arsed club, that never were famous'.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Aren't we all at the moment? Welcome to the site.

Thanks for your understanding, but watching our mighty football club beaning passed around on sky sports like a 3 quid whore really get my blood boiling, and I know I will get a kicking for this but "deadly" would never have let this happen.

Deadly wouldn't have let what happen?  Dougs hirings and firings were nearly all made in a pre internet age, and mostly in a pre Sky age too. I am sure a lots of the up and downs of the appointment process never came out, or was already old news by the time the papers went to press.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
Great manager selections? Are we forgetting Megson, Robson and Mowbray?
RDM was average there and Woy got them to the heady heights of 10th. Which is lower than our supposedly shit appointment GH managed.

To put it bluntly, Albion aren't fit to lick our balls.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archieavfc on May 23, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Who's voted for the Pizza boy? Not having a go, curious as to why that's all as he's relatively unknown.

I did, no idea why. Maybe becasue the unknown is more appealing to me then the others listed although i wouldnt be upset if it was Lambert, I think he is a good manager but really bought into the thought of OGS and a new, fresh, attacking approach.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
Someone vote for Grayson ffs. With Lerner's track record he's nailed on for the job otherwise.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: FrankyH on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 09:09:39 PM
Albion are better than the Villa. Now I have heard it all on here.
Who said that shite?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Leave it Daniel, he's not worth it.
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Post by: lovejoy on May 23, 2012, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Who's voted for the Pizza boy? Not having a go, curious as to why that's all as he's relatively unknown.

Took Braga to europa league final. Portuguese league is pretty strong and opens up a new avenue of recruitment. Also the names on the list from the premiership are uninspiring. Sometimes is better the devil you don't know!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.

He forgot the golden rule, however, be careful who you kick on the way up because they'll kick you harder on the way down! He's where he belongs now and I doubt anyone, maybe Wigan excepted, would consider him a Premier League Manager after his one failed attempt.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2012, 09:38:36 PM
Well whoever said Albion are bigger than Villa, is clearly wrong they have never been and never will be. The only thing up for debate is whether their board has better judgement than ours, hopefully Randy will prove they don't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Leave it Daniel, he's not worth it.
Left mate.But still a cheeky T..t!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.


do you actually believe all the guff that managers come out with on a constant basis, they all talk utter crap most of the time, its no use getting all precious about it, he was fighting his corner at the time, we really shouldnt be taking it to heart

i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,
 frankly its a bit pathetic, if we are looking for some snow white figure who never said boo to a goose, thats exactly what we will get.

we need to man up a bit, a get over it, the man plays good entertaining football, not always winning football as the Wembley play off final showed, but i would take Holloway's football every day of the week over Fat Sams even though he came of second best at the weekend


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 23, 2012, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.


do you actually believe all the guff that managers come out with on a constant basis, they all talk utter crap most of the time, its no use getting all precious about it, he was fighting his corner at the time, we really shouldnt be taking it to heart

i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,
 frankly its a bit pathetic, if we are looking for some snow white figure who never said boo to a goose, thats exactly what we will get.

we need to man up a bit, a get over it, the man plays good entertaining football, not always winning football as the Wembley play off final showed, but i would take Holloway's football every day of the week over Fat Sams even though he came of second best at the weekend
Same as.
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Post by: Summers on May 23, 2012, 09:41:53 PM
He didn't say bigger. Their set up at board level is much better than ours currently, and that's the people who are going to be picking the managers of the clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Who's voted for the Pizza boy? Not having a go, curious as to why that's all as he's relatively unknown.

Thanks Archieavfc and lovejoy for answering. There's very mixed reports about him, I guess as there is for everyone!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: old man villa fan on May 23, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Albions last two managers, won champions league and England manager. They seem do know what English football is all about. We can't match yet we always think we are top dogs.

Raise you one England manager and one that actually won the big cup with us, not somebody else.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
How come Gary mcallister is joint favourite with sky bet tonight? Anybody own up to backing him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: old man villa fan on May 23, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:14:04 PM
Albion better than villa, hell no. But might have more clue with appointing managers. Can you see them appointing the manager of relegated rival?

Almost.  Blues went down the same season he left and for good measures he took Albion down as well.  What a result.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 09:45:02 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.


do you actually believe all the guff that managers come out with on a constant basis, they all talk utter crap most of the time, its no use getting all precious about it, he was fighting his corner at the time, we really shouldnt be taking it to heart

i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,
 frankly its a bit pathetic, if we are looking for some snow white figure who never said boo to a goose, thats exactly what we will get.

we need to man up a bit, a get over it, the man plays good entertaining football, not always winning football as the Wembley play off final showed, but i would take Holloway's football every day of the week over Fat Sams even though he came of second best at the weekend




but his sides are useless at defending and we have a useless defence. match made in hell
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 23, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Did  anyone else hear Tony Morley on Talk sport yesterday morning say that OGS would be  a big gamble and we needed a more experienced guy maybe even a top European coach.
This was before OGS 'changed his mind' and maybe (as Morley works for the club) was the club speaking to us ?
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on May 23, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
I'd definitely have Martinez ahead of Lambert. His sides play much better stuff.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mattjpa on May 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I will nail my colours to the mast here. If we appoint that self righteous, odious little prick gollumway, me and Aston villa under the rl regime are through and my time will be given to supporting tamworth untill they are ousted. He disrespected our club and we should never go crawling to him cap in hand. Kmac, Grayson, he'll even get big eck back. But never precious....
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Post by: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I heard that on TS aswell, but what role does Tony Morley have at our club?
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Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2012, 09:47:55 PM
I don't like Holloway but If a manager can get us playing well and winning and there is a long term plan for further success I will not care at all if I like the manager at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,

My missus can drag stuff up from 15 years ago. She saves it up, its like Jack Charltons little black book, even though she barely knows who Jack Charlton is.
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Post by: Nev on May 23, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I heard that on TS aswell, but what role does Tony Morley have at our club?

He does some corporate work on matchdays and commentary work on AVTV, I'm not aware of anything else. He coaches kids during the week, including my Godson.
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Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 23, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Albions last two managers, won champions league and England manager. They seem do know what English football is all about. We can't match yet we always think we are top dogs.



Raise you one England manager and one that actually won the big cup with us, not somebody else.


I was just talking about since Lerner came, just worried that we might get it wrong again. You have gt to hope its a learning curve for us
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Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on May 23, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
I'd definitely have Martinez ahead of Lambert. His sides play much better stuff.

Martinez side played very well for the last ten games of the last two seasons but were in the bottom three for most of both of those seasons! Norwich were never in that position last season.

I'd take Lambert out of the two!
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Post by: claret and blue blood on May 23, 2012, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 23, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
I heard that on TS aswell, but what role does Tony Morley have at our club?
Maybe 'work' was a bit stong but he's on AVTV all the time with Woodwank covering matches and is often to be found giving his opinion on the official site.
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Post by: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 23, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 23, 2012, 09:09:53 PM
If we appoint Holloway, I feel we're in for a Gregory type scenario. Fun at the start, attacking football, media attention because of the manager's soundbytes. Then we tire of him as he runs out of ideas and the soundbites become predictable and annoying.

Sorry for being so negative.

I agree will all these points.I also can't believe alot of our fans would be keen on him when he talked our club down when we were linked with Adams.That one year in the premiership with his soundbites were a gift for journalists .He became even more annoying when he started to play up to the wider media platform he believed all loved him.The little shit.


do you actually believe all the guff that managers come out with on a constant basis, they all talk utter crap most of the time, its no use getting all precious about it, he was fighting his corner at the time, we really shouldnt be taking it to heart

i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,
 frankly its a bit pathetic, if we are looking for some snow white figure who never said boo to a goose, thats exactly what we will get.

we need to man up a bit, a get over it, the man plays good entertaining football, not always winning football as the Wembley play off final showed, but i would take Holloway's football every day of the week over Fat Sams even though he came of second best at the weekend

If I was convinced about his ability, his comments wouldn't have bothered me.

If you're good enough, you can say anything and still be taking seriously (see Wenger, Mourinho, Fergie etc). But Holloway isn't.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
My wife drags the same things up relentlessly. It's like listening to her Greatest Hits on Wife FM Gold.

To be fair, she has plenty to choose from
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 23, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Albions last two managers, won champions league and England manager. They seem do know what English football is all about. We can't match yet we always think we are top dogs.



Raise you one England manager and one that actually won the big cup with us, not somebody else.


I was just talking about since Lerner came, just worried that we might get it wrong again. You have gt to hope its a learning curve for us

You could argue that Deadlys first two appointments were an unmitigated disaster and one of mixed fortunes. He did OK with the 3rd one though.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
I'm not too bothered about Holloway's comments about us. If somebody was trying to pinch my best (and only good) player from my struggling side, I'd be pissed off as well. He was probably exhausted and frustrated and looking for any reason to hit back at us; I haven't took it to heart.
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Post by: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 23, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Albions last two managers, won champions league and England manager. They seem do know what English football is all about. We can't match yet we always think we are top dogs.



Raise you one England manager and one that actually won the big cup with us, not somebody else.


I was just talking about since Lerner came, just worried that we might get it wrong again. You have gt to hope its a learning curve for us

You could argue that Deadlys first two appointments were an unmitigated disaster and one of mixed fortunes. He did OK with the 3rd one though.

Third time lucky eh?
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 23, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Has anyone ever just not bothered with a manager? I'm up for that at the moment. Let us choose the team. You're not allowed to get involved Greg.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
Heh.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 23, 2012, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
Great manager selections? Are we forgetting Megson, Robson and Mowbray?
RDM was average there and Woy got them to the heady heights of 10th. Which is lower than our supposedly shit appointment GH managed.

To put it bluntly, Albion aren't fit to lick our balls.

That was before they appointed their director football.  I’d say they have been okay since then.
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Post by: claret and blue blood on May 23, 2012, 10:01:29 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 23, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Has anyone ever just not bothered with a manager? I'm up for that at the moment. Let us choose the team. You're not allowed to get involved Greg.
We tried that this season !
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Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 23, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Has anyone ever just not bothered with a manager? I'm up for that at the moment. Let us choose the team. You're not allowed to get involved Greg.
Yeah but Greg would have to pick a team, not pick holes in the team picked.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
zola and clarke with a D of F ?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 23, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Has anyone ever just not bothered with a manager? I'm up for that at the moment. Let us choose the team. You're not but his sides are useless at defending and we have a useless defence. match made in hellllowed to get involved Greg.

heh. good luck with that one. In fact that's probably what OGS said to Lerner.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
i've said stuff to my own Wife that i'm not proud of, but she doesnt judge me on it a year later,

My missus can drag stuff up from 15 years ago. She saves it up, its like Jack Charltons little black book, even though she barely knows who Jack Charlton is.



so does mine,
 but it didnt suit my argument so i thought i'd just fib
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Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2012, 10:12:55 PM
Latest ITK is that Jurgen van der Traener and Carlos Coachalotti are clear favourites and waiting in Amsterdam and Milan for Randy's jet. Dominoes Pizza has signed a deal to manage Napoli Marghritas for another 4 seasons.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 23, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 23, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Has anyone ever just not bothered with a manager? I'm up for that at the moment. Let us choose the team. You're not allowed to get involved Greg.

Ron Noades. Palace and Brentford.
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Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
How come Gary mcallister is joint favourite with sky bet tonight? Anybody own up to backing him?

7/2 from nowhere, Keyes and Gray and a journo were talking him up today, saying he should have been offered the job when GH left, and that he has a lot to offer
whether that was enough to provoke people to put there money down i dont know,
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 10:16:44 PM
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 23, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
How come Gary mcallister is joint favourite with sky bet tonight? Anybody own up to backing him?

7/2 from nowhere, Keyes and Gray and a journo were talking him up today, saying he should have been offered the job when GH left, and that he has a lot to offer
whether that was enough to provoke people to put there money down i dont know,

Ian Ridley and he said Houlier should have been DOF and would have done it by the sound of it .   
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 23, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Richard Keys and his mates. Who the hell cares what they think about anything.
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Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 10:21:30 PM
Fcuk me if people like McAllister and Holloway are getting mentioned without an accompanying punchline we really are in the shit. 
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 23, 2012, 08:32:21 PM
Holloway is a match for us, as for his comments when we were sniffing around Adams he was looking after his own. He knows his own mind, doesn't look for someone else to blame and if we bought into this guy he would bleed claret and blue.

You all talk tactics until your gums bleed but there is a thing to be said for a perfect match.

He could be a holte end legend.

But as I read endless posts on here you all know a lot more than me.

Holt end boy for the last 25 years.



I quite agree with you

Protecting your own? Fine

Calling Aston Villa a half arsed club that used to be famous? Not fine and saying were not good enough for Adam is insulting considering he isn't good enough for liverpoo either

Same old righteous spouting ......... oh how mighty you think we are ........................ boring boring boring ........ set in your ways dinosaur

I don't know you, I wasn't arguing with you no need to call me names, dinosaur? Who you think you are coming here and insulting me?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 23, 2012, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:13:32 PM


 Keye (and Gray and a journo were) talking him up today, saying he should have been offered the job when GH left, and that he has a lot to offer
whether that was enough to provoke people to put there money down i dont know,
What the hell does Nicky Keye have to do with the managerial selection?

Oh, so the General suggested you talk to her? Ok!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2012, 10:23:16 PM
bookies haven't a clue, journo's haven't a clue. ho hum. guess we'll have to wait. a tenner on grayson tomorrow with that poll is looking good though
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 23, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
Richard Keys and his mates. Who the hell cares what they think about anything.


they are  like wise old owls
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Des Little on May 23, 2012, 10:25:02 PM
Richard Keys  is a cockhole.  And a Cov one at that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I will nail my colours to the mast here. If we appoint that self righteous, odious little prick gollumway, me and Aston villa under the rl regime are through and my time will be given to supporting tamworth untill they are ousted. He disrespected our club and we should never go crawling to him cap in hand. Kmac, Grayson, he'll even get big eck back. But never precious....

Not sure I would go that far. But I would require an awful lot of him publicly ridiculing himself for last seasons comments and asking for forgiveness.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I will nail my colours to the mast here. If we appoint that self righteous, odious little prick gollumway, me and Aston villa under the rl regime are through and my time will be given to supporting tamworth untill they are ousted. He disrespected our club and we should never go crawling to him cap in hand. Kmac, Grayson, he'll even get big eck back. But never precious....

Not sure I would go that far. But I would require an awful lot of him publicly ridiculing himself for last seasons comments and asking for forgiveness.


on the plus side, he would always send a team out at places like Old Trafford, Klanfield and Emerites to attack the opposision and try and win the game by scoring goals
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2012, 10:36:23 PM
It might be a reserve side though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I will nail my colours to the mast here. If we appoint that self righteous, odious little prick gollumway, me and Aston villa under the rl regime are through and my time will be given to supporting tamworth untill they are ousted. He disrespected our club and we should never go crawling to him cap in hand. Kmac, Grayson, he'll even get big eck back. But never precious....

Not sure I would go that far. But I would require an awful lot of him publicly ridiculing himself for last seasons comments and asking for forgiveness.


on the plus side, he would always send a team out at places like Old Trafford, Klanfield and Emerites to attack the opposision and try and win the game by scoring goals

Klanfield doesn't really belong in that list anymore. Every fucker wins there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 10:45:08 PM
If it's Thursday it must be Martinez...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:48:34 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 23, 2012, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 23, 2012, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 23, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
I will nail my colours to the mast here. If we appoint that self righteous, odious little prick gollumway, me and Aston villa under the rl regime are through and my time will be given to supporting tamworth untill they are ousted. He disrespected our club and we should never go crawling to him cap in hand. Kmac, Grayson, he'll even get big eck back. But never precious....

Not sure I would go that far. But I would require an awful lot of him publicly ridiculing himself for last seasons comments and asking for forgiveness.


on the plus side, he would always send a team out at places like Old Trafford, Klanfield and Emerites to attack the opposision and try and win the game by scoring goals

Klanfield doesn't really belong in that list anymore. Every fucker wins there.

thats true, i just like calling it Klanfield,
 all there years of self righteousness gone in a few Dalglish interviews, and its renamed Klanfield forever
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 23, 2012, 10:49:17 PM
As I said to villa74 on another thread, you don't run down a club and then get their manager's job. Ok, so Holloway was sticking up for Blackpool when we were sniffing around Adams.

It's not the best example but when Liverpool were sniffing around Barry we stood up for Aston Villa but MON didn't go and call Liverpool a half arsed club that used to be famous. But we still kept Barry away from them for a season. That's my point. Could you imagine any club appointing a manager that had disrespected them like that? No way! And it's not about misplaced pride, it's self respect.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 23, 2012, 10:49:17 PM
HDE, he's done the job before?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 23, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.


I must ring the season ticket office up tomorrow then ;(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2012, 11:01:43 PM
I would have gone for Lambert before the OGS scenario but now I'm not sure. He would be a safe bet I'm sure. The OGS was such an exciting prospect that I think I would like us to go for a more continental approach. More emphasis on quick passing, attacking football and also a manager who wants to build beyond the now (ie MON).

That was the appeal with OGS and a massive fair play to the board for looking at that option. With that in mind I'm sure they want back track on their ideas.

I don't know who fits that bill, my knowledge outside of the UK is non existent. On that list Poyet sounds a interesting option and I still like Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.

Oh shit!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Holloway looks like Stewie Griffin: The Insomniac Years. He's rubbed every football club he's ever worked with up the wrong way and seems determined to kill whoever he's managing off in a blaze of personal glory. I don't want Ian Holloway's Aston Villa, I just want a manager who manages and does it with the minimum of fuss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
Holloway looks like Stewie Griffin: The Insomniac Years. He's rubbed every football club he's ever worked with up the wrong way and seems determined to kill whoever he's managing off in a blaze of personal glory. I don't want Ian Holloway's Aston Villa, I just want a manager who manages and does it with the minimum of fuss.


boring....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dr.chekov on May 23, 2012, 11:08:43 PM
Would people think more favourably of Simon Grayson if Brian Little and K-Mac assisted him?

All three worked together at Leicester and Villa, Brian Little's involvement would placate some of the fans (of my age anyway), and it might be seen as a chance to recreate a Little-Evans-Gregory type triumvirate.

I’m not advocating it, just thought it might be in Lerner’s thinking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.

Oh shit!

Tosh. As likely as Mick McCarthy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 11:12:28 PM
Interesting thought that. Grayson with KMac and Little as his assistants...  hmmm nope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.

Oh shit!

Tosh. As likely as Mick McCarthy.


he's joint favourite at the mo
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.

Oh shit!

Tosh. As likely as Mick McCarthy.


he's joint favourite at the mo

Having seen the result of the last odds-on favourite linked with the job, I'm not letting that worry me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 23, 2012, 11:19:38 PM
Bookies know no more than we do, being favourite means nothing. How many different favourites have there been so far?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
Quote from: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 23, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 23, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I still reckon Martinez is nailed on, and may well have been first choice all along this summer but we are having to wait until 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' have got off the pot.

Worrying whispers about GMac though, possibly with a DOF already within the club.

I thought that the board had ruled out a DoF?
Who is 'already within the club' that could operate as a DoF?
Just what is this fascination with bloody Martinez?


It's rumoured that Glenn Roeder could be DoF with GMac as manager.

Oh shit!

Tosh. As likely as Mick McCarthy.


he's joint favourite at the mo

Having seen the result of the last odds-on favourite linked with the job, I'm not letting that worry me.


yes but the last one was odds on for a reason, it could have happened,
there could be a very good reason for this one to
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
All the whispers I've heard concern Lambert or Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
What is concerning them? Should we be concerned too?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:26:47 PM
i'm concerned
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
Local Wigan Journalist Paul Kendrick has tweet this below – LINK

    Spoke to Dave Whelan this eve, on great form as usual. For the TRUTH on Roberto, Liverpool, Villa, #wafc and the future see tomorrow’s WEP

We await the wisdom of Whelan with baited breath
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:29:09 PM
I've got some scarves for sale. Half 'Villa' -  half 'Only if the manager meets my approval.' They are £10 each and stocks are running out quick.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I've been saying it for ages. Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 23, 2012, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I've been saying it for ages. Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come.



you have been 'calling it' for a while now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I've been saying it for ages. Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come.
It's been quite subliminal from you. I reckon you have had some knowledge for a while we might use Roeder in a bigger capacity.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I've been saying it for ages. Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come.

You reckon Roeder might be a good lay?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 11:34:34 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 23, 2012, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I've been saying it for ages. Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come.

You reckon Roeder might be a good lay?

Not from what his wife says.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
I got a tip-off from a guy who works in stadium maintenance that Glenn Roeder's having an interview within the next few days, possibly tomorrow; I'm getting my bet on now.

Personally I'm chuffed, I'm sure he'll lead us on into new lands that O'Neil and Houllier only came close to!

UTV! #SAVE_US_GR
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 23, 2012, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
I got a tip-off from a guy who works in stadium maintenance that Glenn Roeder's having an interview within the next few days, possibly tomorrow; I'm getting my bet on now.

Personally I'm chuffed, I'm sure he'll lead us on into new lands that O'Neil and Houllier only came close to!

UTV! #SAVE_US_GR
Jeeeesus, I'm going bed and I hope to wake up to a new scenario in the morning. Hopefully not this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 23, 2012, 11:38:54 PM
Meltdown!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 23, 2012, 11:35:44 PM
I got a tip-off from a guy who works in stadium maintenance that Glenn Roeder's having an interview within the next few days, possibly tomorrow;
That may be for the stand-sweeping vacancy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dl9 on May 23, 2012, 11:47:52 PM


Les Reed. Let's get him in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: midian on May 23, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
The Guardian say AVB not for Liverpool go on Randy go get him........if only :(
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dl9 on May 23, 2012, 11:53:18 PM


Simon Cowell manager with Lord Alan Sugar as DoF.

We'd see a cracking bird on the bench every week and anyone who has a shitter gets 'Fired'

Granted we'd have no playing staff left by October but it'd make for interesting viewing.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
It is ridiculous going for all these foreign managers. Allardyce, McCarthy or Coyle should be the targets. They have the experience.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 23, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
Quote from: joecrow on May 23, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
out of the list, poyet for me- has transformed brighton with a supporting chairman, decent football too. lambert looks to have a bit of a problem with pressure judging by his recent press conferences.

Could be argued that Poyet has achieved less than Lambert and Nigel Adkins, who both gained back-to-back promotions on less of budget than Poyet has had at Brighton.  They were nowhere near the play offs in the end, which must have been a disappointment considering the money they have spent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dl9 on May 23, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
It is ridiculous going for all these foreign managers. Allardyce, McCarthy or Coyle should be the targets. They have the experience.

Of taking their clubs down............
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 24, 2012, 12:01:16 AM
Quote from: dl9 on May 23, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
It is ridiculous going for all these foreign managers. Allardyce, McCarthy or Coyle should be the targets. They have the experience.
But they have still had experience. Who is left?

Of taking their clubs down............
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
I would love it if we showed the ambition to take on AVB. But can't see it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2012, 12:06:10 AM
If we've no money Martinez might be a decent shout, bringing Figueroa (sp?) Diame and Rodellaga on Bosmans, and getting the best out of CNZ.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dl9 on May 24, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
I would love it if we showed the ambition to take on AVB. But can't see it.

So he can get bullied by Messrs Collins & Dunne the way Terry & Lampard did.

The only decent thing about him is his middle name. Like Houllier, AVB would lose the dressing room before he stepped anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: willywombat on May 24, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Remember back in the 70's when the fan's choice  Brian Clough issued his, 'Come and get me,' plea and the club went out and appointed dour, defensive Ron Saunders instead?..
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: willywombat on May 24, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Remember back in the 70's when the fan's choice  Brian Clough issued his, 'Come and get me,' plea and the club went out and appointed dour, defensive Ron Saunders instead?..

Not sure what the point is. We might have won even more with Clough.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: frank on May 24, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 23, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
Glenn Roeder is a managerial genius. His time has obviously come...
...and gone
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DeKuip on May 24, 2012, 12:47:38 AM
Quote from: dl9 on May 24, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
I would love it if we showed the ambition to take on AVB. But can't see it.

So he can get bullied by Messrs Collins & Dunne the way Terry & Lampard did.

The only decent thing about him is his middle name. Like Houllier, AVB would lose the dressing room before he stepped anywhere near it.
AVB's experience with Chelsea was similar in many way to Ron Saunders' at Man City. Taking on a group of senior pros who had been highly successful under a previous manager and losing, yet would you say Saunders was bullied? No, he took on the big reputation players like Summerbee, Lee, Bell, Law and Marsh and tried the treat them in the same way he did the younger players – but the problem is that it's these big name established players who control the dressing room. Similar at Chelsea really as AVB unsettled the dressing room by not bowing to the reputation of those who run it. That's not being bullied, that's being brave.
Should AVB come to Villa he'll find the senior players who might think they run the dressing room are hardly "untouchables" like Summerbee, Lee, Terry, Lampard etc. He's not going to have the fans, media, or senior club officials on his back for daring to leave out Collins or Warnock.
AVB had also been at Chelsea when Mourinho was there, as one of his underlings compiling dossiers on the opposition and doing dvd presentations. To come back to the same group of players and earn respect as boss was always going to be difficult.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 24, 2012, 12:50:55 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 24, 2012, 12:47:38 AM
Quote from: dl9 on May 24, 2012, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
I would love it if we showed the ambition to take on AVB. But can't see it.

So he can get bullied by Messrs Collins & Dunne the way Terry & Lampard did.

The only decent thing about him is his middle name. Like Houllier, AVB would lose the dressing room before he stepped anywhere near it.
AVB's experience with Chelsea was similar in many way to Ron Saunders' at Man City. Taking on a group of senior pros who had been highly successful under a previous manager and losing, yet would you say Saunders was bullied? No, he took on the big reputation players like Summerbee, Lee, Bell, Law and Marsh and tried the treat them in the same way he did the younger players – but the problem is that it's these big name established players who control the dressing room. Similar at Chelsea really as AVB unsettled the dressing room by not bowing to the reputation of those who run it. That's not being bullied, that's being brave.
Should AVB come to Villa he'll find the senior players who might think they run the dressing room are hardly "untouchables" like Summerbee, Lee, Terry, Lampard etc. He's not going to have the fans, media, or senior club officials on his back for daring to leave out Collins or Warnock.
AVB had also been at Chelsea when Mourinho was there, as one of his underlings compiling dossiers on the opposition and doing dvd presentations. To come back to the same group of players and earn respect as boss was always going to be difficult.
Agree. That would have been hard under any circumstances, but trying to build up respect from the same players he was trying to move on (Fat Frank, Terry, Anelka etc) was always going to be mission impossible.
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Post by: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
If Villas Boas learned from his mistakes at Chelsea and wouldn't let the more senior players have their way then I think he could be good. I think it would be hard though because from being a huge success at Porto and then jumping at a great oppotunity to manage Chelsea (too soon) transitioning to the premier league but failed he would feel confused as to which way his managing career is going. Would he want to try and prove himself again at a premier league club after already failing or would he want to return somewhere more familiar where he would feel back at sqaure 1? Or maybe he might end up managing elsewhere in Europe in a new enviroment which would feel like a fresh start for him - my money is he will go down the latter route.
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Post by: willywombat on May 24, 2012, 01:21:43 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: willywombat on May 24, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Remember back in the 70's when the fan's choice  Brian Clough issued his, 'Come and get me,' plea and the club went out and appointed dour, defensive Ron Saunders instead?..

Not sure what the point is. We might have won even more with Clough.

Whistling in the dark probably. Honestly gutted OGS is staying put but hoping that, as back then, whoever's appointed has the same galvanising effect on the club
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2012, 01:28:50 AM
Saw Gareth Southgate talking about the job on Central News earlier.  He's obviously involved with the FA set up now and was hardly a success during his time at Middlesbrough, but would he have been preferable to some of the names that are being mentioned?
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Post by: Matt C on May 24, 2012, 02:49:26 AM
No.
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Post by: The Left Side on May 24, 2012, 02:50:56 AM
Not sure of Dominoes Pizza but it'd be great if we could get a manager in his mid 40's with European experience and a great network of scouts, in an ideal world there would be 3 or 4 clambering to join us but I don't think there is. AVB for me.
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Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 24, 2012, 03:17:53 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
It is ridiculous going for all these foreign managers. Allardyce, McCarthy or Coyle should be the targets. They have the experience.

It's that kind of thinking that got us into this mess. What terrible suggestions.

Poyet or Nigel Adkins (off the top of my head) are approachable and quite frankly shit on those 3.
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Post by: Steve R on May 24, 2012, 03:23:32 AM
If we were to appoint Holloway it would only prove him right.

Villas Boas was between a rock and a hard place at Chelsea. The players he was rightly trying to phase out held more sway with the chairman than he did. I don't see the likes Collins and Dunne being in such a strong position.

That doesn't make him a good manager or the next VP messiah, but I wouldn't hold what happened at Chelsea against him any more that I'd be creaming the skidwear if we appointed the EC winner that succeeded him.

I'm not sure how Zola has suddenly become a good manager since guiding West Ham to a nosedive either.

If we are going to go all Chelsea with a dash of left field, maybe that physio is worth tapping up.

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Post by: usav on May 24, 2012, 03:27:19 AM
Quote from: Steve Rose on May 24, 2012, 03:23:32 AM
If we are going to go all Chelsea with a dash of left field, maybe that physio is worth tapping up.
Yes please.
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Post by: VancouverLion on May 24, 2012, 03:35:33 AM
AVB, Lambert, Martinez, Poyet in that order, Id be over the moon with any of them.

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Post by: Havencheese on May 24, 2012, 03:57:36 AM
Zola, no friggin chance. He was rumoured to be considered for the Melbourne Vic vacancy a few weeks ago. If he is linked with a club in a league the equivalent of League One standard, then no. I'd take probably take Ange Postecoglou over him.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 24, 2012, 05:17:13 AM
Poyet and Martinez have what a league one promotion under the belt as managers?

Lambert and Adkins piss all over that for starters.

Ah this Solksjaer turning us down lark has left us in a spot of bother. Everyone else will assume he was first choice. Liverpool and Chelsea will attract the decent candidates, I fear that the pool we will be choosing from will be very limited.

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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 24, 2012, 07:14:39 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 12:44:03 AM
Quote from: willywombat on May 24, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Remember back in the 70's when the fan's choice  Brian Clough issued his, 'Come and get me,' plea and the club went out and appointed dour, defensive Ron Saunders instead?..

Not sure what the point is. We might have won even more with Clough.

"Old Big Ead" and "Deadly" together?
We would have had to double the capacity of Villa Park - just to make room for the egos.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 07:31:58 AM
Stop the AVB thing please, it is just going to end in disappointment
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 24, 2012, 07:52:32 AM
After thinking about it, I think AVB could do a fantastic job at VP.

He didn't do that bad at Chelsea, the lowest they were under his management was 6th or 7th I believe. If he had the right backing from RL and moved quickly to remove troublemakers, it could be an inspired appointment.

Plus, going for AVB shows a lot more ambition than the names on the list above.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:04:48 AM
What's Glenn Roeder's role at the minute?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 08:09:00 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 23, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
jacket potatoes half arsed army

jacket potatoes half arsed army

jacket potatoes half arsed army :P

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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 08:09:59 AM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on May 24, 2012, 03:17:53 AM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 23, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
It is ridiculous going for all these foreign managers. Allardyce, McCarthy or Coyle should be the targets. They have the experience.

It's that kind of thinking that got us into this mess. What terrible suggestions.

Poyet or Nigel Adkins (off the top of my head) are approachable and quite frankly shit on those 3.

Just so you know, DC5 is on the wind up.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 24, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
I have a bad feeling about all this...it seems as though our young and vibrant manager was OGS...

And now that we have not been able to appoint him, I can see the club panicking and appointing someone like Grayson or McDonald (God help us if they do!)

For me if they wanted to give a manager a chance then why not appoint Di Canio (at least he would tell the players a few home truths)
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2012, 08:18:01 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 24, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
I have a bad feeling about all this...it seems as though our young and vibrant manager was OGS...

And now that we have not been able to appoint him, I can see the club panicking and appointing someone like Grayson or McDonald (God help us if they do!)

For me if they wanted to give a manager a chance then why not appoint Di Canio (at least he would tell the players a few home truths)

No fascists please.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:18:26 AM
Much as id like it , i cannot see us tempting avb here, nursey seems to think lambert is the man we want but whatever is going on this time randy and paul are definately keeping it quiet from the media.

Interesting rumour that rdm is to turn down a 1 yr deal at the bridge.
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Post by: sid1964 on May 24, 2012, 08:28:32 AM
RDM - No thanks

Did anyone notice that when he went up steps after luckily winning the Champions League, he told Abramovich "i have won it"

Also when walking through the airport it showed a clip of him whistling away, as he walked pst the reporters...arrogant tosser!

My Albion supporting friends, were so happy when he got the sack...
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 08:31:21 AM
I'd offer it to Pearce. Good with youngsters and would hopefully sort the discipline out. There might be some interesting tactical developments though.

Seriously, I think he's worth a shout
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:31:40 AM
Is randy still over here?
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:32:56 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 08:31:21 AM
I'd offer it to Pearce. Good with youngsters and would hopefully dirt the discipline out. There might. E some interesting tactical developments though.

Seriously, I think he's worth a shout

Pearce has the olympics to worry about , not a viable option and not a good choice in my opinion.
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 08:35:25 AM
Why not?
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2012, 08:40:27 AM
All he's good at is shouting. No thanks.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on May 24, 2012, 08:41:03 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 08:35:25 AM
Why not?

He always comes accross as the type of manager who thinks that clenching your fist and shouting come on is enough.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Di Matteo, Rodgers, Poyet in that order for me. Adkins is an interesting shout with the jobs he has done at Scunthorpe and Southampton. No idea why anyone would suggest Zola might be a good choice. I wasn't impressed at the way Lambert lost his cool in his press conference the other night. Your top striker has put in a transfer request and you are the favourite for the Villa job. Those subjects will crop up in a press conference.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 08:43:46 AM
Pearce is hopeless. Passionate, but hopeless.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 08:35:25 AM
Why not?

No pedigree as a manager, tried it and was a flop at this level and i see nothing to think hed do a good job, if we are going to take a risk on a younger man what about lee clark?
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Di Matteo, Rodgers, Poyet in that order for me. Adkins is an interesting shout with the jobs he has done at Scunthorpe and Southampton. No idea why anyone would suggest Zola might be a good choice. I wasn't impressed at the way Lambert lost his cool in his press conference the other night. Your top striker has put in a transfer request and you are the favourite for the Villa job. Those subjects will crop up in a press conference.

He was angry because the press conference and the night were about adam drurys testimonial and as he said that was all he there to talk about , it was adams night.

Looks a steely character and not a man to be messed with though, could see lambert sorting the dressing room out no problem.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:51:42 AM
I thought he said he was happy at Norwich yesterday?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 08:52:25 AM
Bloody hell this is getting depressing again.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:51:42 AM
I thought he said he was happy at Norwich yesterday?

Said he was happy at norwich, said he hadnt asked to leave norwich , but he didnt say he would be staying at norwich- offer him the right deal and i think he would be tempted.
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Post by: dl9 on May 24, 2012, 08:59:23 AM

Okay, let's all save time and listen to me. Let's go shit or bust for Lambert.

Those posting recommendations for AVB need to get to the doctors and quick. Fact:History will show that from the moment AVB left, Chelsea's season turned 360 winning the FA Cup & Champions League. I don't necessarily put this down to Di Matteo any more than a rebellious sigh of relief from the likes of JT & Lampard as AVB's departure.

Fact they were massively on the slide under his tenure.

Thank you. Poll now closed. Go to work & remember that absolutely nothing that you post on here is going to make the slightest biot of difference to the eventual outcome of the managerial post at our beloved club anyway. Fact.



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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
I just looked at Roeder's managerial career on Wiki and it's not the best reading to be honest
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 24, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
Gus Poyet for me. Done well with Brighton in the Championship. I would rather him to Lambert to be honest. Lambert has too much of a MON thing going on for my liking (I could be wrong on that). Obviously if AVB ended up as manager I would be v v happy. He would want to prove a few doubters wrong, Villa would be a good option for him,  he wouldn't enormous pressure to bring immediate success that managing Liverpool would have.
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Post by: Merv on May 24, 2012, 09:01:51 AM
I haven't been totally convinced by the noises Lambert has been making. Why is he getting so riled about an obvious question if he's staying at Norwich? No-one's asking Brendan Rodgers what he's doing, because he's made his stance clear. Lambert however... seems to be making placatory statements without actually saying he is definitely going to be Norwich's manager next season.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:59 AM
Di Matteo, Rodgers, Poyet in that order for me. Adkins is an interesting shout with the jobs he has done at Scunthorpe and Southampton. No idea why anyone would suggest Zola might be a good choice. I wasn't impressed at the way Lambert lost his cool in his press conference the other night. Your top striker has put in a transfer request and you are the favourite for the Villa job. Those subjects will crop up in a press conference.

He was angry because the press conference and the night were about adam drurys testimonial and as he said that was all he there to talk about , it was adams night.

Looks a steely character and not a man to be messed with though, could see lambert sorting the dressing room out no problem.

That's my point. SKY cameras and more microphones than Obama gets were not there to talk about Adam Drury.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 09:03:25 AM
With Lambert I sense a lot of it is him washing his hands of responsibility. In other words he's saying "come and ask permission to speak to me", which is correct to be fair.
That way, if his bosses let us speak to him, it's their fault and if they dont let us speak to him, well he never said he wanted out so no big deal. His relationship with Norwich and their fans is undamaged and life goes on. If they did give him permission, he'd come here alright.

Not that I know we even want to speak to him, but you would imagine he wouldn't be too far away from contention. He's a credible candidate.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
I just looked at Roeder's managerial career on Wiki and it's not the best reading to be honest

Probably why he's a scout for us and not a manager. Nor will he ever be our manager.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 09:09:18 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
I just looked at Roeder's managerial career on Wiki and it's not the best reading to be honest
Nonsense.

He's got a CV to die for

Gillingham
 
Roeder spent one season as player-manager of Gillingham, during which time he led the side to 13 wins in 51 games and saw them finish second from bottom of the Football League, escaping relegation after winning against bottom club Halifax Town in the penultimate fixture of the season.
 
Watford
 
After Steve Perryman left to join Tottenham Hotspur, Roeder was hired as the new manager of his former club Watford at the start of the 1993–94 season. However, Watford were fined £10,000 for an illegal approach, and ordered to pay Gillingham a further £30,000 in compensation. In his second season with Watford he almost took the side to the play-offs, eventually finishing just two places outside them. However, he was sacked in February 1996 as the side were struggling at the bottom of the First Division. His replacement, Graham Taylor, was unable to prevent the side from being relegated. During his time at Vicarage Road he signed Kevin Phillips from local Hertfordshire team, Baldock Town for only £10,000.

Burnley
 
Roeder followed his tenure at Watford by taking a season away from the limelight, assuming a back seat role as Chris Waddle's assistant manager at Burnley. The partnership did not prove to be successful and the pair narrowly avoided steering Burnley into the bottom tier of English football. Only a home victory over Plymouth Argyle on the last day staved off the spectre of relegation. Roeder proved to be both an unpopular and controversial figure to the Burnley fans, hitting a low point when he was reported to have said that star-player Glen Little was "not fit to lace the boots" of manager Chris Waddle. Roeder left his role at Burnley alongside Waddle when the pair departed the club after only a single season in charge.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
Anyone ending a post with fact when basically posting opinion is someone I note down to skip the posts of in future.

Maz you are right, he is a credible candidate, but not the only one, and certainly not our last hope. TSM has only been gone ten days.

And Pearce is rubbish.... Just passion and noise from what I have seen.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
I just looked at Roeder's managerial career on Wiki and it's not the best reading to be honest

Probably why he's a scout for us and not a manager. Nor will he ever be our manager.

Maz.

I lost count of the amount of people who said the very same thing about Mc£eish.

Never underestimate the fuckwits running this club.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
Roeder? What madness is this now?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
Roeder? What madness is this now?
Why would his name being mentioned surprise you Greg?
You saw what happened last summer.
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Post by: Mr Diggles on May 24, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
I was really sold on solskjaer. Now he's not in the frame I have no idea who we will go for nor who I'd prefer. They all seem a bit boring now, although AVB would be great. He must be out of our market at the moment though surely.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 09:11:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 08:59:55 AM
I just looked at Roeder's managerial career on Wiki and it's not the best reading to be honest

Probably why he's a scout for us and not a manager. Nor will he ever be our manager.

Maz.

I lost count of the amount of people who said the very same thing about Mc£eish.

Never underestimate the fuckwits running this club.

McLeish is a King Kong sized monkey ( I appreciate King Kong was/is not a monkey) that will be on Randys back until he puts it right. Something I feel he will do to the best of his ability.

Another McLeish and I'll agree with you. But I really dont think that's going to happen.



Ozz, I dont think for one minute that Lambert is the only option left or our last hope.
I hope not because that is really putting pressure on us to get him.
I'd like to think we've sounded out AVB too or guys like him. In other words, I hope Solskjaer wasn't the only imaginative move we had in mind.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 09:24:28 AM
Roeder would be a step up from McLeish
I just looked back over our league games 2012
2 wins in 19 games, FFS it was shocking wasn't it
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
Roeder? What madness is this now?
Why would his name being mentioned surprise you Greg?
You saw what happened last summer.

I take your point but its getting a bit daft on here and we could be waiting weeks of an appointment. People need to calm down a bit and wait. Plenty of time to rant when/if someone crap turns up.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
Anyone ending a post with fact when basically posting opinion is someone I note down to skip the posts of in future.

Maz you are right, he is a credible candidate, but not the only one, and certainly not our last hope. TSM has only been gone ten days.

And Pearce is rubbish.... Just passion and noise from what I have seen.

Nothing wrong with just passion and noise with no ability to back it up. Sums up my sexual 'performance'. Fact.
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 24, 2012, 09:29:59 AM
Heh heh, the realistic favourite for the Liverpool job is being outvoted by a fast food pizza outlet on our forum.  That somehow cheers me up greatly
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 24, 2012, 09:33:56 AM
If it's Roeder I'm giving up on the Villa, seriously. I'd sooner watch rugby or something.

Terribly, terribly depressing.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 24, 2012, 09:33:56 AM
If it's Roeder I'm giving up on the Villa, seriously. I'd sooner watch rugby or something.

Terribly, terribly depressing.


Yep completely unacceptable, but I don't think that'll happen.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
TS are saying we are poised to make a second attempt for Martinez.Has Whelan been gobbing off again?
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 09:37:14 AM
Talkshite are just guessing IMHO
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Post by: Jimbo on May 24, 2012, 09:38:14 AM
If it's Roeder I'll attach an Ikea kitchen to my genitalia and throw it off Ben Nevis.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
See I'm not completely against the idea of Martinez, he does try and get his team to play good football. Also given some of the other names being mentioned, he looks pretty decent.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 09:20:09 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
Roeder? What madness is this now?
Why would his name being mentioned surprise you Greg?
You saw what happened last summer.

I take your point but its getting a bit daft on here and we could be waiting weeks of an appointment. People need to calm down a bit and wait. Plenty of time to rant when/if someone crap turns up.

You heard it here first folks.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 09:40:42 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 24, 2012, 09:38:14 AM
If it's Roeder I'll attach an Ikea kitchen to my genitalia and throw it off Ben Nevis.

*fetches allen key and map of Scotland*
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
TS are saying we are poised to make a second attempt for Martinez.Has Whelan been gobbing off again?
The Press Association are saying that we are about to make an approach for Martinez. Don't know where they got it from, no quotes or attribution.
I thought that Martinez was on holiday in Europe/ in USA talking to Fenway Sports Group. Depending on which report you believe.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 24, 2012, 09:44:19 AM
McAllister is bad enough, standing on the touchline looking futile. But him and Roeder. I feel sick.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
Seems to have taken them a long time to "approach" Martinez if thats true.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on May 24, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
Current shortlist for me only interested in Martinez or Poyet...

I didnt like Lambert before this weeks press conference, but that thick scottish accent has but me off even more - maybe i am worried it will bring back Eck flash backs?
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 09:49:19 AM
I see Martinez as being in the 'young and promising PL manager' category, along with Lambert and Rodgers.  But for me he's bottom of that list, with Lambert being top.  OGS could be described as 'young and promising overseas manager', so at least there's some continuity this time around, if true.

As long as we stay away from the 'old and dull' side of things (McCarthy, Bruce, Curbs) then I think most fans will give the new guy a fair chance.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:49:35 AM
Even more strange that the press reported he had talks last Thursday.

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Post by: DB on May 24, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
See I'm not completely against the idea of Martinez, he does try and get his team to play good football. Also given some of the other names being mentioned, he looks pretty decent.

Yes, he tries, but Wigan are always around the bottom, and magage to put a few results together towards the end of the seson. I just don't get this Martinez thing, his teams don't turn up until March.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
Please lord not Martinez
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 24, 2012, 09:54:58 AM
I know beggars can't be choosers, because if we end up with Steve Staunton or someone as manager I will be wishing that Martinez was with us. But I don't get the Martinez thing. Wigan put a good run together at the end of the 2011 to stay up. Wigan put a good run together at the end of the 2012 to stay up. That's the same outcome 2 seasons in a row. No sign of progression in those seasons. Granted he did well at Swansea. But is he that good that Liverpool and Villa are chasing him? Someone explain it to me?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom. That theory probably has some relevance with Liverpool but falls down a bit when you look at our players
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Post by: DB on May 24, 2012, 09:59:33 AM
Who says we are beggars? We just don't know what's going on behind the scenes at the Villa, just gossip and ITK from newspapers guessing and forums like this.
Some bloke called MM posts some sh*t and we all spend next few hours disecting it.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: DB on May 24, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 09:39:10 AM
See I'm not completely against the idea of Martinez, he does try and get his team to play good football. Also given some of the other names being mentioned, he looks pretty decent.

Yes, he tries, but Wigan are always around the bottom, and magage to put a few results together towards the end of the seson. I just don't get this Martinez thing, his teams don't turn up until March.

To be fair Wigan are a very small club who don't have much resource, surviving is a great result for them. Also whilst I'd much rather we were looking to the continent for a manager(we might be). I'd take Martinez over the likes of Roeder, Allardyce, Bruce etc.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
Please lord not Martinez

Would be perfectly happy with Martinez, and I hope people get behind him if he does come.  I think he could do very well at Villa and it would be a very good step up for him, better than Liverpool would be.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 10:08:05 AM
You can pass your way into relegation quite easily - just look at WBA under Mowbray.  For a manager to be at a club like Wigan and then be a serious contender for a our job or Liverpool's, then he needs to take them to a secure position and stay clear of the dogfight.  Martinez has never done that, but managed to pull off a dramatic escape each season. 

I suppose it's easy to then say "He kept them up playing good football", but that ignores the question of why they needed a dramatic escape in the first place.
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Post by: Merv on May 24, 2012, 10:10:52 AM
Martinez. Just imagine what he could do with Randy's backing....

I'm undecided on Martinez. One the one hand, I agree, he hasn't progressed Wigan much, and it's a concern that they didn't get going until the final dozen games last season. On the other, last season they comfortably avoided the drop (compared to the season before, when it was last day of the season by the skin of their teeth) and they did so by beating some of the best teams in the league, by playing some good stuff, and because the manager changed formation and made some brave choices. So, we have seen that he can get an average (maybe below average) group of players performing above themselves.

He's also articulate, seems to understand his football, and I could see him being loyal and looking to stay with us for a length of time.

I'm on the fence with this one. I think we can do better, but I also think we can do far, far worse.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 24, 2012, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 24, 2012, 09:44:19 AM
McAllister is bad enough, standing on the touchline looking futile. But him and Roeder. I feel sick.

McAlister certainly had us passing the ball towards the end of the season. I think we had 3 goals that included about 16 passes in each during the buld up. Hoof Man, he's not. A DOF would allow him to focus on the coaching.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:14:08 AM
To me, far more than Mcleish last season, the brief of Martinez at Wigan is to keep them in the premier league.  To my knowledge he has never been given the resources to do any more than that.  For instance was N'Zogbia, who had done so well for them the season before last, replaced in any way when he left?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
McAllister won't get it. The players he fell out with and slagged him off in various interviews last season are still here and going nowhere
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Post by: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom.
That logic was applied to TSM when he came in: "he was crap at the Sty but he had limited resources; with our squad we can't possibly be that bad."

I'm really in two minds about Martinez; I actually think Rodgers would be a better bet (but I guess his new contract takes hm out of the equation).
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom.
That logic was applied to TSM when he came in: "he was crap at the Sty but he had limited resources; with our squad we can't possibly be that bad."

That is true, but it is also said he relegated Blues with the best squad they'd ever had.  Not sure what to think there.
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Post by: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
According to Whelan ,Martinez is on holiday until Tuesday at which point he will give him a 7 dat deadline to decide if he is going to leave or not
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2012, 10:20:52 AM
I'd be happy with Martinez, it really shouldn't be forgotten just what a small club Wigan really are.  Dave Whelan shooting his mouth off every five minutes doesn't change that.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom.
That logic was applied to TSM when he came in: "he was crap at the Sty but he had limited resources; with our squad we can't possibly be that bad."

I'm really in two minds about Martinez; I actually think Rodgers would be a better bet (but I guess his new contract takes hm out of the equation).


I though the theory with Mcleish was a return to MON's style and the players who couldn't play under Houllier would flourish under Hoof Mk2. Not sure anyone was expecting better football (apart from the board maybe)
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Post by: CJ on May 24, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
I would be happy with Martinez now that OGS has gone out of the running. At Swansea he set out a way of playing which Sousa (unsuccessfully) and Rodgers (successfully) have picked up and followed. I think that is exactly what the board are looking for - setting out a philosophy/style of football which can run from the academy right through to the first team on a sustained footing, so there's a smoother passage through for 'the kids' to step up, and he ticks the boxes for a young vibrant manager. Not afraid to take on the big teams either. I think he'd do much better here than he has done at Wigan (bloody hell, shows just how far we've fallen!)

Failing that I'd also be happy with Lambert but not sure we can prise him away from Norwich.
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 24, 2012, 10:33:48 AM
I see that A-Ha's biggest fan, Mat Kendrick, has tweeted that Martinez is on Randy's radar. I don't know if thats the radar on his private jet or not, but it's on his radar nonetheless.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 10:35:18 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom.
That logic was applied to TSM when he came in: "he was crap at the Sty but he had limited resources; with our squad we can't possibly be that bad."

That is true, but it is also said he relegated Blues with the best squad they'd ever had.  Not sure what to think there.

That you can't polish a turd?
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
Two months ago martinez was being called to explain his team selections to an angry whelan after 2 wins in 28 games, since then his team have had a storming finish but im not convinced he could cut it at a bigger club.

People seem to have forgotten how bad wigan were until
March , on a plus side he might get the best from
Nzogbia - would much prefer lambert or rodgers to him , but he is better than some of the dross we are being linked to .
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
Whilst getting the right man is critical, we do need to get a move on because there is an awful lot of work to be done over the summer.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:39:10 AM
There is nothing wrong with Martinez, he's got shit players to work with at Wigan, He plays good football, just think what he can do with a chairman that backs him :)
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Post by: DB on May 24, 2012, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:39:10 AM
There is nothing wrong with Martinez, he's got shit players to work with at Wigan, He plays good football, just think what he can do with a chairman that backs him :)

His current chairman has backed him.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 10:41:38 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
Two months ago martinez was being called to explain his team selections to an angry whelan after 2 wins in 28 games, since then his team have had a storming finish but im not convinced he could cut it at a bigger club.

People seem to have forgotten how bad wigan were until
March , on a plus side he might get the best from
Nzogbia - would much prefer lambert or rodgers to him , but he is better than some of the dross we are being linked to .
In that case maybe we should be going for Whelan instead of Martinez. :P
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Post by: mr woo on May 24, 2012, 10:42:00 AM
 To my mind Lambert seems to have changed his tune from 'come and get me' to 'I've never wanted to leave here' which suggests to me the offer he was hoping for never arrived.

OGS was only an initial plan B and has ruled himself out anyway.

AVB is probably unrealistic.

Looking at the criteria and candidates remaining, I fear the jigsaw is falling into place, I think Martinez is the one they've been after all along. They'll be taken in by Wigans late form in the same way they were fooled by McLeishs league cup win.

My god, I hope he goes to Liverpool.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 24, 2012, 10:44:01 AM
Martinez 5/2, 3/1 in places. Lambert 7/2.
Who is Domingos Paciencia? 8/1??
Martinez was always my first choice although I did get excited when Ole appeared on the radar.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:46:03 AM
DB there was a touch of sarcasm in that post, he hasn't really backed him with millions, remember that Wigan are a selling club
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:46:36 AM
I'm not sure about Martinez. I hear enough convincing arguments for as I do against.
I like how his teams play if not always effective and after being starved of decent football last season it would be interesting to potentially see some.

As things stand, I'd be happy if not delighted. And I'd certainly get behind him.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 24, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
Please lord not Martinez


if you dont like his style of football thats fair enough, i am a big fan and would love to see him try and replicate it at VP with hopefully some better players that he can bring in

all this stuff about his teams not playing untill March is just a soundbite, he won the league with Swansea, OK it was div 1 but he still won it, probably not discimilar to winning the league in say.... Norway,  and you dont win a league by turning up in March,

its all about how you want Villa to play, i would like to see them play the Martinez way, think it might be the best stuff we will have seen for donkeys years
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well the theory with Martinez is he plays stylish passing football with crap players and that given better players to work with he won't be at the bottom.
That logic was applied to TSM when he came in: "he was crap at the Sty but he had limited resources; with our squad we can't possibly be that bad."

I'm really in two minds about Martinez; I actually think Rodgers would be a better bet (but I guess his new contract takes hm out of the equation).


I though the theory with Mcleish was a return to MON's style and the players who couldn't play under Houllier would flourish under Hoof Mk2. Not sure anyone was expecting better football (apart from the board maybe)

And, apparently, The Scottish Manager himself, who promised exciting attacking football and vehemently denied he was defensive and negative whenever he got the chance.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on May 24, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
I am in the "yes to Martinez" camp...

To those in the "no to Martinez" camp I want to clear something up... you state you cannot understand how "we" can like Martinez as he only won had a good run his last few games....

His last few games are not why we like him - actually they are a bonus...

Last year when we where linked I actually wanted Martinez then, I went away to wigan the houiller season and even though the wigan team was rubbish they had an air of creativity around them that felt like they could score at any moment.  Nzogbia and Rodallega seemed to link up really well and I remember really admired that as quality in a team, something we seemed to be missing...

I have always liked the way that with no money in small clubs Martinez still trys to play football and is able to create that feeling in the air a goal could come at any moment no matter how bad we are...

He did this with Wigan, a really really really bad team, who every year have been tipped for going down but stay up! They will go down this year if martinez leaves to I believe...

As reports have shown we are the 5th most successful team in the premiership with great support, More Money than most, a higher wage bill that mot and one of the best youth teams in the country, not to mention one of the highest potential squads in the country!

Using words from the richard keys vocabulary...

If Martinez can do it with Wigan, I believe he will SMASH IT with villa!

Edited *** Called Rodallega - Rodriguez!!! ha
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I think Martinez will definitely look to move as he is already losing Diame and Rodallega whose contracts have run down. Unless DW backs him financially he must be well aware that they will struggle again. Whilst his stock is high he needs to move. Out of the names being banded around I would be happy with him but a combo of Poyet backed by Steve Clark could be a winner (if under consideration..). 

Would like a manager who wears a suit as a tracksuit manager just reminds me on MoN.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 10:50:11 AM
Quote from: DB on May 24, 2012, 10:40:57 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:39:10 AM
There is nothing wrong with Martinez, he's got shit players to work with at Wigan, He plays good football, just think what he can do with a chairman that backs him :)

His current chairman has backed him.

Strange kind of backing, taking away your best players and not replacing him.  The only backing Whelan has given to Martinez is as his very vocal agent.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2012, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 24, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
McAllister won't get it. The players he fell out with and slagged him off in various interviews last season are still here and going nowhere

thats the big problem , it was said on the radio yesterday , the older players did not want to know , it was you and us and leave us alone ( the MON crew)    , where the young players really wanted to learn from the management team.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?
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Post by: sonlyme on May 24, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
Whatever happens - I hope the board will take my old mum's wise words into consideration when choosing the new messiah.  Never trust a man whose head is bigger than a football.

Hopefully that will rule out the following

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01410/Steve_Bruce_1410825c.jpg)
Mr Potato Head

(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdnqgawDLhxbY0no3oVryUl-4UkSoiobs4cZGvKOT76d_3Pb8W)
Mr Look How Big My Head is Head

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/826/215/96554460.jpg.11175_crop_340x234.jpg?1266954538)
Mr John Prescott Head


Avoid these and we are on the right track.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Not sure of martinez is tough enough to sort out the dressing room and get rid of the likes of collins, dunne , warnock? Does he have that ruthless steely edge to him?

Im not against him by any means but a bit worried the plsyerd may see him as a bit of a nice guy soft touch manager, his teams try to play decent football no doubt about that and he does have an eye for a bargain.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

That it's not going to be Hoddle.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2012, 10:54:20 AM
I know it doesnt make a good manager but I do really like Martinez when he speaks . at least that is one small plus for me , so I'm sure fans will support the guy .       But I havn't got a clue who I want .
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I think Martinez will definitely look to move as he is already losing Diame and Rodallega whose contracts have run down. Unless DW backs him financially he must be well aware that they will struggle again. Whilst his stock is high he needs to move. Out of the names being banded around I would be happy with him but a combo of Poyet backed by Steve Clark could be a winner (if under consideration..). 

Would like a manager who wears a suit as a tracksuit manager just reminds me on MoN.

Rather a tracksuit reminder of mon than a suit reminder of mcleish!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:13 AM
Martinez never got Wigan as high in the Premier League as Bruce or Jewell did...
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

File with Roeder!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

That it's not going to be Hoddle.
The rumour I'm hearing is bullshit....
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2012, 10:57:04 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 24, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
I think Martinez will definitely look to move as he is already losing Diame and Rodallega whose contracts have run down. Unless DW backs him financially he must be well aware that they will struggle again. Whilst his stock is high he needs to move. Out of the names being banded around I would be happy with him but a combo of Poyet backed by Steve Clark could be a winner (if under consideration..). 

Would like a manager who wears a suit as a tracksuit manager just reminds me on MoN.

Rather a tracksuit reminder of mon than a suit reminder of mcleish!

Well as long as there are no shorts like Coyle - your playing career is over, get used to it...
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 24, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
Whatever happens - I hope the board will take my old mum's wise words into consideration when choosing the new messiah.  Never trust a man whose head is bigger than a football.

Hopefully that will rule out the following

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01410/Steve_Bruce_1410825c.jpg)
Mr Potato Head

(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdnqgawDLhxbY0no3oVryUl-4UkSoiobs4cZGvKOT76d_3Pb8W)
Mr Look How Big My Head is Head

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/826/215/96554460.jpg.11175_crop_340x234.jpg?1266954538)
Mr John Prescott Head


Avoid these and we are on the right track.


the Daddy of all the massive heads is Mr Joe Royal,
 his head was so large it woudnt fit into the dugout at Oldham,    FACT
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

That it's not going to be Hoddle.
The rumour I'm hearing is bullshit....
Well these are all very constructive. I am just letting you know what I have been told by somebody that works at the club but thank you for your input.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 10:59:21 AM
Doubt it would be hoddle but his teams do play decent football, out of the game a long time now, not in my top 6 options but not in the my bottom 6 either- id back him if chosen but i dont think he will be.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

That it's not going to be Hoddle.
The rumour I'm hearing is bullshit....
Well these are all very constructive. I am just letting you know what I have been told by somebody that works at the club but thank you for your input.

Chillax. You asked for my view (sort of) and that's what it is.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2012, 11:02:37 AM
its going to be Sven isnt it ?    ;(
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 11:02:49 AM
Hoddle with a young coach might work, maybe someone like Robinson. But alone, no thanks.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:13 AM
Martinez never got Wigan as high in the Premier League as Bruce or Jewell did...

Bruce had greater resources at his disposal than Martinez, but when the players started to get sold from under Bruce Wigan fell badly.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
The rumour I am hearing is Hoddle. Views?

That it's not going to be Hoddle.
The rumour I'm hearing is bullshit....
Well these are all very constructive. I am just letting you know what I have been told by somebody that works at the club but thank you for your input.

Chillax. You asked for my view (sort of) and that's what it is.
Yes, also chillax.... I understand that is bullshit.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 11:04:15 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 10:55:13 AM
Martinez never got Wigan as high in the Premier League as Bruce or Jewell did...

Bruce had greater resources at his disposal than Martinez, but when the players started to get sold from under Bruce Wigan fell badly.
Iagree, I was just stating a fact.
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 24, 2012, 11:08:07 AM
I still love the fact that Steve Bruce admitted he has to pig out on cream cakes after a loss.  Looking at him recently, and noting he has been out of work for some time leads me to think he must have lost even more games than TSM.  Next....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 24, 2012, 11:10:21 AM
Hoddle and Grayson...
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Post by: mr woo on May 24, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
I suspect like a lot of football fans, I don't get enough time to watch other teams that often and would usually only go out of my way to watch a game involving Villa or a match of significance where Villa aren't playing.

So my judgement of Wigan is based upon their performances home and away against us, where aside from one opening day performance (when we were awful) I have to say Wigan have been consistently, truly and utterly shit. They, without doubt rank as the dullest, wettest, most yellow bellied side I saw at Villa Park last year.

I guarantee if he becomes our manager, we will be in danger of rolling over in the cups every time we get drawn away at a league one club.

The fact they can be so shit until relegation fears spur them on just screams that the manager has serious motivational failures.

Please don't believe Whelans hype either, he's no more than a slimy second hand salesman, repeatedly trying to convince the world he has a gem, just so an unsuspecting punter will take that rusting heap of junk off his hands. It seems he has repeated his mantra of 'Roberto will be the next Barcelona manager' so often some people are actually starting to fall for it.


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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 11:13:34 AM
Maybe Hoddle and Waddle? Get some diamond lights action at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 24, 2012, 11:14:53 AM
I'm surprised Malky Mackay hasn't been mentioned or linked yet. He's 50/1 at the minute. Think it would be worth an outside punt
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 11:14:55 AM
I actually think Hoddle might suit a DOF role, but as we aren't going down that road I very much doubt he's a candidate for the manager's job.

I still want Lambert and I still think it will be Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Jarpie on May 24, 2012, 11:15:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 11:13:34 AM
Maybe Hoddle and Waddle? Get some diamond lights action at Villa Park.

Only if Waddle grows back his mullet! :D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
I hope at least this doesn't get strung out for weeks now. Would like someone in before 1st June so he can assess the garbage that McLeish continually played and quickly get in some new faces that will actually improve the fist 11.
I personally don't give a toss who gets the job as I don't think there is much worse than what we already had...all the links Lambert, OGS, Martinez will be an improvement on last year...by how much I don't know but surely they could get this club back to at least mid table next season.

Personally with OGS completely out of it I would like us to stick with the the potential exciting dark horse appointment and go for Di Canio....can't see it being anymore than a risk than OGS was.
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Post by: DesBremner on May 24, 2012, 11:23:16 AM
Bugger

Just voted for Grayson
I thought it said 'Who do you think will be next ........"

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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 24, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Just been informed by a mate that its worth sticking some money on Gus Poyet.  This is the same mate that told me about robbie keane signing for us 2 weeks before it made the news.  currently at 10/1
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 24, 2012, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 24, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Just been informed by a mate that its worth sticking some money on Gus Poyet.  This is the same mate that told me about robbie keane signing for us 2 weeks before it made the news.  currently at 10/1

Thats more like it. Would be happy with Poyet.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 24, 2012, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 24, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Just been informed by a mate that its worth sticking some money on Gus Poyet.  This is the same mate that told me about robbie keane signing for us 2 weeks before it made the news.  currently at 10/1

Thats more like it. Would be happy with Poyet.

Agreed
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 11:40:54 AM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:14:55 AM
I actually think Hoddle might suit a DOF role, but as we aren't going down that road I very much doubt he's a candidate for the manager's job.

I still want Lambert and I still think it will be Martinez.

Hoddle and poyet would be a combination i think would work well.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 24, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Just been informed by a mate that its worth sticking some money on Gus Poyet.  This is the same mate that told me about robbie keane signing for us 2 weeks before it made the news.  currently at 10/1

Anything to do with that actor bloke on twitter?
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 11:45:08 AM
Watch the odds plunge now on gus , not really been watching brighton too much so cant say much about him, who is his assistant down there, seem to play nice football though .
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. For my sakes I hope you're wrong
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 24, 2012, 11:46:14 AM
Poyet and Steve Clark
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
I think Ray Wilkins is the best choice as assistant to go with someone like Poyet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The drama!
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
I think Ray Wilkins is the best choice as assistant to go with someone like Poyet.

...or Evra
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The drama!

The disappointment
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The drama!

The disappointment

We had the Scottish Manager last year - would be a big step up as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 11:55:02 AM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:49:23 AM
I think Ray Wilkins is the best choice as assistant to go with someone like Poyet.

Decent choice, butch is a good coach and would be a perfect foil for poyet, id be happy with that.
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Post by: Karl Bridges on May 24, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
I was quite happy to raise the Martinez flag last year and nothing has changed for me. I got excited about OGS but RM has always been my number one. Anyone thinking we are going to challenge the top 4 next season needs medication.

If we are going to sail along in mid-table using younger players then I want to be entertained by the team I go to watch. The reserves & academy play nicely and then they get into the first team and have to play garbage football. I want our first team to knock the ball around and attack with verve just like the kids do when I go to watch them.

IMO the younger players, who looked so good playing like that would flourish under Martinez.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on May 24, 2012, 11:55:37 AM
If we are going to sail along in mid-table using younger players then I want to be entertained by the team I go to watch. The reserves & academy play nicely and then they get into the first team and have to play garbage football. I want our first team to knock the ball around and attack with verve just like the kids do when I go to watch them.

IMO the younger players, who looked so good playing like that would flourish under Martinez.

Spot on.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:52:21 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The drama!

The disappointment

We had the Scottish Manager last year - would be a big step up as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing his drab football.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 12:01:08 PM
I think getting a good assistant or DOF would be a good idea to make up for the inexperience of someone like Poyet.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 12:03:07 PM
Poyet and Wilkins would be great. Or Clarke.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Geeeeeez....POYET!!! Now we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The drama!

The disappointment

The roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd.

Marvellous.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:04:06 PM
Sorry I can't do short links. Nursey in the last hour...........http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/why-roberto-martinez-is-considering-snubbing-liverpool-845865
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.

Poyet has won promotion for brighton and got them close to the playoffs on a shoestring, certainly not a failure by any means.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 24, 2012, 12:06:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.

Don't let facts get in the way

Everton have had 1 relegation scrap (03-04) in Moyes time and prior to him they had half a dozen in the previous 8 or 9 years under 3 previous managers. The next season he qualified for Champions League.

Poyet did get Brighton promoted to Championship and finished 10th in their first season.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?
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Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
According to Whelan ,Martinez is on holiday until Tuesday at which point he will give him a 7 dat deadline to decide if he is going to leave or not

Now this is where some journalists don't really know anything. Some papers today said he was flying to Boston to talk to the LIverpool owners.

Not my first choice but i would'nt be totally against him.
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Post by: Tony on May 24, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM

Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing his drab football.


He got them promoted from League one, he took over in November in 2009-10, got them promoted in 2010-11 and finished 10th this season. They have a reputation for playing attractive football, he's done a decent job at Brighton.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
Aston Villa chiefs today insisted the club are not in any rush to appoint a new manager with Roberto Martinez now back at the top of Randy Lerner’s wish list.

The claret and blues missed out on Wigan boss Martinez last year when he was persuaded by Latics chairman Dave Whelan to turn down Villa.

Martinez has also been strongly linked with a move to Liverpool and reports yesterday claimed that he was in Boston for another round of talks with the Merseyside club’s owners Fenway Sports Group. But it is understood that he is in fact still on holiday in Barbados.

The Spaniard will return from his break next week and Whelan has already pencilled in a meeting with Martinez where he expects the 38-year-old to reveal his desire to further his career elsewhere.

Privately Villa are likely to see how Liverpool’s pursuit of Martinez plays out and, should he not end up at Anfield, the claret and blues will be in a strong position to make their move. Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner are, however, relaxed about the situation.

A Villa source said: “The club is getting on with the process of finding a new manager and this process has been very focused from the outset.

“The timeframe is not as important as getting the best man to be the manager. The club feels well positioned right now with a number- of candidates under consideration.

“We are conducting our own process independently of what anyone else may be doing.”

Interest appears to have cooled in Norwich’s Paul Lambert, who remains favourite with bookmakers while the odds have tumbled on former Villa assistant Gary McAllister.

Meanwhile, Villa keeper Shay Given will travel to London today to consult a specialist over a knee injury sustained during training with Ireland.
The 36-year-old has sat out two days of Euro 2012 preparations and will visit a doctor he has used before.

Given left training early on Monday morning and the decision to rest him for two or three days was taken as a precaution.

Republic boss Giovanni Trapattoni remains confident Given will be fit for the finals, but had already all but ruled him out of Saturday’s friendly against Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Express and Star

I don't think we 'll be appointing anyone in the next few days
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Post by: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
Reality check for some.. Martinez he has done more in his managerial than either Rodgers or Baby face Assassin. Rodgers was woeful at Watford and Reading. Martinez on principle stayed at Wigan last year give him a break Wigan!! there about as big as Walsall. Gollum would be a breath of fresh air after the last year, his teams play lovely football and what he said last year was defending his own club when we were still in a relegation battle with them. Were turning into Scousers persecuting 'managers' that have wronged us. As for Hoddle to well im 'old skool' id love him down Villa Park in any capacity he could teach our midfielders how to pass and move.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
My bad....but im looking for more, they have a poor away record and has a lisp.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 24, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.

Two points:
- Brighton have been in the Championship for a season not three.
- He's been at the club two years. In his first season he got them promoted to the Championship. In his second, they finished 10th in the Championship.

I don't know who you're talking about, but it isn't Poyet or Brighton.
 
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.

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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 24, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.

Two points:
- Brighton have been in the Championship for a season not three.
- He's been at the club two years. In his first season he got them promoted to the Championship. In his second, they finished 10th in the Championship.

I don't know who you're talking about, but it isn't Poyet or Brighton.
 

Sorry, I was thinking of Puyol and Barcelone not Poyet and Brighton :o)
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done

With some of the things I've heard Di Canio has done that's half the problem.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:25:03 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM

but he is very "Vibrant"
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 12:18:22 PM

Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.
But he is very "Vibrant"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.

I think if our manager can get the trains running on time that will be brilliant.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 12:29:52 PM
I'd settle for him getting Richard Dunne running!!
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Post by: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
Its Richard Tonne..
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Post by: Damo70 on May 24, 2012, 12:41:38 PM
Di Canio will get a chance at a bigger club, will quite possibly do well for a while and then it will go spectacularly and controversially tits up.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
I think DiCanio is a borderline lunatic and he's just as likely to get his team doing something extraordinary as he is throwing his shit at passing traffic. Avoid.

Poyet, now I can see the merits of going for him. I like his character and how he speaks on the game as well as his footballing philosophy. Another risk like Solskjaer would have been but I was O.K with that and I'd be O.K with Poyet too.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 24, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
Domingos Paciencia..emerging as candidate. sorry if posted already. 8/1-9/1
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/05/22/domingos-paciencia-interested-in-aston-villa-manager%E2%80%99s-job/
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 12:52:36 PM
One thing that the poll shows is that we are completely divided in who we want now, when a few short days ago we were all together pretty much. Ergo, what we really want is someone 'different' who will excite us (hence the large-ish vote for the unknown Pizza Boy I suspect), and to be fair, that's none of the names above is it? Let's hope that the board can conjour up another OGS-like candidate.
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 24, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
Domingos Paciencia..emerging as candidate. sorry if posted already. 8/1-9/1
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/05/22/domingos-paciencia-interested-in-aston-villa-manager%E2%80%99s-job/

He's already on the poll!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
I'd be happy with Poyet. Every player playing the game now would have seen what a good player Poyet was, he won things and was part of a very good Chelsea side. He'll have a good reputation and has worked with some amazing players, like Zola, Di Matteo, Desailly, Lebeouf etc. And managers like Vialli, Hoddle & Gullit. We could do a lot worse.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Just did a bit of checking on Poyet's managerial record.  Cam in when Brighton were in the middle of a relegation fight and kept them up.  Then won the league the next year and got them to a solid 10th in their first Championship season.

Not sure about doing it on a 'shoestring' though as according to Wikipedia (I know!) he broke their transfer record twice.
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Post by: Diablo on May 24, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 24, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM
Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 24, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 11:59:41 AM


Maybe...you could be right, but I haven't seen anything from Poyet to suggest he's up to the job. He hasn't got Brighton promoted after 3 years, hasn't even made the play offs. They finished 10th in the Championships....at least McLeish got Birmingham back up after 1 season playing is drab football.

Two points:
- Brighton have been in the Championship for a season not three.
- He's been at the club two years. In his first season he got them promoted to the Championship. In his second, they finished 10th in the Championship.

I don't know who you're talking about, but it isn't Poyet or Brighton.
 

Two points:
- Brighton have been in the Championship for a season not three.
- He's been at the club two years. In his first season he got them promoted to the Championship. In his second, they finished 10th in the Championship.

I don't know who you're talking about, but it isn't Poyet or Brighton.
 

Brighton were excellent when we played them in the FA cup never mind for a team that were 56 places below us. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/23/aston-villa-brighton-fa-cup

Poyet would be great in my opinion (ignoring his comments relating to his fellow countryman Suarez)
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Just did a bit of checking on Poyet's managerial record.  Cam in when Brighton were in the middle of a relegation fight and kept them up.  Then won the league the next year and got them to a solid 10th in their first Championship season.

Not sure about doing it on a 'shoestring' though as according to Wikipedia (I know!) he broke their transfer record twice.

Yeah but, what was Brighton transfer record?
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Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
According to Whelan ,Martinez is on holiday until Tuesday at which point he will give him a 7 dat deadline to decide if he is going to leave or not

Now this is where some journalists don't really know anything. Some papers today said he was flying to Boston to talk to the LIverpool owners.

He could be flying to Boston whilst he is on holiday somewhere. Not behind wit of man and machine.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Just did a bit of checking on Poyet's managerial record.  Cam in when Brighton were in the middle of a relegation fight and kept them up.  Then won the league the next year and got them to a solid 10th in their first Championship season.

Not sure about doing it on a 'shoestring' though as according to Wikipedia (I know!) he broke their transfer record twice.

Yeah but, what was Brighton transfer record?

Hairy Mary Malcolm McQueen self applicated 265 dragon art transfer tattoos in less than three and a half hours.
And he used his own spit.
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Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
I am covinced Lambert will be announced as our new manager  in Press conferance at VP tomorrow.
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 24, 2012, 01:17:08 PM
Joe Kinnear?
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Post by: King of the Nørth on May 24, 2012, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 24, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
I am in the "yes to Martinez" camp...

To those in the "no to Martinez" camp I want to clear something up... you state you cannot understand how "we" can like Martinez as he only won had a good run his last few games....

His last few games are not why we like him - actually they are a bonus...

Last year when we where linked I actually wanted Martinez then, I went away to wigan the houiller season and even though the wigan team was rubbish they had an air of creativity around them that felt like they could score at any moment.  Nzogbia and Rodallega seemed to link up really well and I remember really admired that as quality in a team, something we seemed to be missing...

I have always liked the way that with no money in small clubs Martinez still trys to play football and is able to create that feeling in the air a goal could come at any moment no matter how bad we are...

He did this with Wigan, a really really really bad team, who every year have been tipped for going down but stay up! They will go down this year if martinez leaves to I believe...

As reports have shown we are the 5th most successful team in the premiership with great support, More Money than most, a higher wage bill that mot and one of the best youth teams in the country, not to mention one of the highest potential squads in the country!

Using words from the richard keys vocabulary...

If Martinez can do it with Wigan, I believe he will SMASH IT with villa!

Edited *** Called Rodallega - Rodriguez!!! ha


 Well said dude I wanted Martinez last year too. Would play the perfect football to suit Bent too, through balls to chase onto instead of hoof it to his head and hope for the best. Ireland and Nzogbia supplying to Bent in a Martinez football side, now that sounds like a winner for me!
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
I am covinced Lambert will be announced as our new manager  in Press conferance at VP tomorrow.
He's just been on SSN. Describing his relationship with the fans he said "it's been great"
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.




i actually quite like big characters, ( thats why i always stick up for Holloway) and Di Canio is certainly one of those,

 i think his ultra right wing tendencies could be a problem, i dont know if he is openly preaching them, but that would put a lot of people of,

the way his teams play by all accounts is on the floor and attacking so thats what we want also

he is a bit of a time bomb though, just waiting to go off, its not a matter of if but when with him, it wouldnt normally put me of because i would take a risk, but when you  link it in with the other stuff i think it does become high risk
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
I don't know what Brighton's transfer record record was or is, but it does show that he was backed by his club.  That's not a minus against him as a candidate for our job - just an observation.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 24, 2012, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 24, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
I am in the "yes to Martinez" camp...

To those in the "no to Martinez" camp I want to clear something up... you state you cannot understand how "we" can like Martinez as he only won had a good run his last few games....

His last few games are not why we like him - actually they are a bonus...

Last year when we where linked I actually wanted Martinez then, I went away to wigan the houiller season and even though the wigan team was rubbish they had an air of creativity around them that felt like they could score at any moment.  Nzogbia and Rodallega seemed to link up really well and I remember really admired that as quality in a team, something we seemed to be missing...

I have always liked the way that with no money in small clubs Martinez still trys to play football and is able to create that feeling in the air a goal could come at any moment no matter how bad we are...

He did this with Wigan, a really really really bad team, who every year have been tipped for going down but stay up! They will go down this year if martinez leaves to I believe...

As reports have shown we are the 5th most successful team in the premiership with great support, More Money than most, a higher wage bill that mot and one of the best youth teams in the country, not to mention one of the highest potential squads in the country!

Using words from the richard keys vocabulary...

If Martinez can do it with Wigan, I believe he will SMASH IT with villa!

Edited *** Called Rodallega - Rodriguez!!! ha


 Well said dude I wanted Martinez last year too. Would play the perfect football to suit Bent too, through balls to chase onto instead of hoof it to his head and hope for the best. Ireland and Nzogbia supplying to Bent in a Martinez football side, now that sounds like a winner for me!


i remember there being about 3 votes for Martinez last season, so that must have been us 3 then
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I was torn on Martinez last season, but IF he is interested I would have him now.

Poyet I like a lot, and think he would be a good plan B. He has been my preferred one since Ole said he was withdrawing, but if Martinez is interested he is well worth a shot at it.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
I am covinced Lambert will be announced as our new manager  in Press conferance at VP tomorrow.
He's just been on SSN. Describing his relationship with the fans he said "it's been great"

'Been great ' as in past tense? Interesting ....
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
I am covinced Lambert will be announced as our new manager  in Press conferance at VP tomorrow.
He's just been on SSN. Describing his relationship with the fans he said "it's been great"

'Been great ' as in past tense? Interesting ....


Or "been great" as in so far.... it can be taken in many ways, but I can't see it happening for some reason.
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 01:31:06 PM
I've just been reading a FanZone blog, Peter Cameron, and this for me says all I feel about Martinez though they are his words not mine:

Quote
Martinez has so far managed two 16th place finishes and a 15th, so there's a level of revisionism perpetuated by the media (and Dave Whelan) that says Martinez is one of the best managers in the league. He isn't. What he is, is a perfectly capable manager who plays a good style of football and wins a lot of games at the end of the season. But were it not for results which were out of their hands on the last day of 2010-11, Wigan would have been relegated and no one would be suggesting Martinez deserves a crack at the top jobs

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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
I am covinced Lambert will be announced as our new manager  in Press conferance at VP tomorrow.
He's just been on SSN. Describing his relationship with the fans he said "it's been great"

'Been great ' as in past tense? Interesting ....


Or "been great" as in so far.... it can be taken in many ways, but I can't see it happening for some reason.


past tense for me,  he's on his way, i'm calling it,  now wheres the on line bookies
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 24, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 24, 2012, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Moyes never got Preston promoted.

I remember many a time Everton being in a relegation scrap...I don't want Poyet at Villa doing the same, don't think he will have the bottle to get us out of it like Moyes.


who do you want Tuscans ?

Di Canio...yea I know ill get slated and you'll all start to give it whats Di Canio done blah blah blah....but I like his balls, not in a gay way....I like a manger with big balls.
And I want a manager who doesn't think that Benito Mussolini was a good guy who was misunderstood.

Exactly I'd prefer a manager who thought that what happened to the Bald-Headed Butcher was exactly what he deserved - though probably not what the lamp post deserved. No facists thank you - we have enough problems without attracting bonehead morons of the EDL and BNP.
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Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 01:40:38 PM
Breaking news: UK H&V Forum 13.31 24.05.2012
john e  a blogger of known reputation and integrity has named Paul Lambert as the next Villa manager.
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Post by: Ian. on May 24, 2012, 01:41:59 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: King of the Nørth on May 24, 2012, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 24, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
I am in the "yes to Martinez" camp...

To those in the "no to Martinez" camp I want to clear something up... you state you cannot understand how "we" can like Martinez as he only won had a good run his last few games....

His last few games are not why we like him - actually they are a bonus...

Last year when we where linked I actually wanted Martinez then, I went away to wigan the houiller season and even though the wigan team was rubbish they had an air of creativity around them that felt like they could score at any moment.  Nzogbia and Rodallega seemed to link up really well and I remember really admired that as quality in a team, something we seemed to be missing...

I have always liked the way that with no money in small clubs Martinez still trys to play football and is able to create that feeling in the air a goal could come at any moment no matter how bad we are...

He did this with Wigan, a really really really bad team, who every year have been tipped for going down but stay up! They will go down this year if martinez leaves to I believe...

As reports have shown we are the 5th most successful team in the premiership with great support, More Money than most, a higher wage bill that mot and one of the best youth teams in the country, not to mention one of the highest potential squads in the country!

Using words from the richard keys vocabulary...

If Martinez can do it with Wigan, I believe he will SMASH IT with villa!

Edited *** Called Rodallega - Rodriguez!!! ha


 Well said dude I wanted Martinez last year too. Would play the perfect football to suit Bent too, through balls to chase onto instead of hoof it to his head and hope for the best. Ireland and Nzogbia supplying to Bent in a Martinez football side, now that sounds like a winner for me!


i remember there being about 3 votes for Martinez last season, so that must have been us 3 then
I voted for him last year so it must have the 4 of us. I'd be happy with him this year. Not over the moon but happy.
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Post by: mr woo on May 24, 2012, 01:42:14 PM
From the BBC :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18190484

"Whether Drury will remain at the club will ultimately be a decision for boss Paul Lambert.
The Scot has already released first-teamers Zak Whitbread and Aaron Wilbraham, with decisions on other players, including Drury, to follow.
"I have had a chat with him. He knows what is going on and he is thinking about a few things," Lambert told the Eastern Daily Press. 
"I'll see what he thinks in the next few days. Everybody knows what is happening.
"In the three years I have been here, he has been brilliant. He deserved a fitting game with Celtic and the Norwich crowd coming out."


What does Lambert mean by "he knows what is going on, everybody knows what is happening" as if something is brewing in the background?

Is he referring to the player retention policy or his own position as manager?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
You see, here is part of my Lambert worries. Remember how we poured over the insane utterances of the mad one from NI, this would be the same, but in much less understandable scottish grunt.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.

I agree with you here. At the end of the day he's finished lower than those two with a better squad.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
You see, here is part of my Lambert worries. Remember how we poured over the insane utterances of the mad one from NI, this would be the same, but in much less understandable scottish grunt.

Not too worried what he says as ling as his team delivers on the pitch, interesting hes never committed himself to being there next season, always avoided the reply.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.

I agree with you here. At the end of the day he's finished lower than those two with a better squad.

Wrong.

From a Wigan fan:

"Yes, we finished higher with Bruce in his final season, but in that team 4 players were crucial: Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole and Heskey - all were sold either in January or August. In the second half of that Bruce season we dropped like a lead balloon. Therefore Martinez came in with major rebuilding to do and without much money to spend. To say he's been backed financially is plain wrong. He's had limited funds from players that we've sold but has needed to massively cut the wage bill, which is what he's done. "
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Post by: DB on May 24, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 01:46:09 PM
You see, here is part of my Lambert worries. Remember how we poured over the insane utterances of the mad one from NI, this would be the same, but in much less understandable scottish grunt.

Not too worried what he says as ling as his team delivers on the pitch, interesting hes never committed himself to being there next season, always avoided the reply.

So ozzjim, who would be your choice and why? As I can't see a better option at this point in time - IMO.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
@SkySports: Sky sources understand Roberto Martinez is to meet with Liverpool’s owners in the next 36 hours. Full story to follow

I wonder if Whelan has been blabbing again
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Isn't Martinez on Holiday in Barbados until Tuesday?...
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Isn't Martinez on Holiday in Barbados until Tuesday?...
I guess they could fly out to him or vice versa.Remember Corsica?
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 24, 2012, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
@SkySports: Sky sources understand Roberto Martinez is to meet with Liverpool’s owners in the next 36 hours. Full story to follow

I wonder if Whelan has been blabbing again


Ah,the infamous 'Sky sports understand'.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Isn't Martinez on Holiday in Barbados until Tuesday?...

If he wants the job enough im sure he will cut his hols short if necessary, if not then hes not worth approaching.

While randy remains over here theres always the hope that things are happening behind the scenes but i am impressed with the veil of secrecy surrounding things right now.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
Makes me think whoever we want is here not the other side of the world.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 24, 2012, 02:34:35 PM
Sod this 'must have Premier League experience' bollocks. I'll have Rene Girard thanks. And he can bring Olivier Giroud with him.
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
Makes me think whoever we want is here not the other side of the world.

Or that Randy's been clocking up the air miles again?
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.

I agree with you here. At the end of the day he's finished lower than those two with a better squad.

Wrong.

From a Wigan fan:

"Yes, we finished higher with Bruce in his final season, but in that team 4 players were crucial: Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole and Heskey - all were sold either in January or August. In the second half of that Bruce season we dropped like a lead balloon. Therefore Martinez came in with major rebuilding to do and without much money to spend. To say he's been backed financially is plain wrong. He's had limited funds from players that we've sold but has needed to massively cut the wage bill, which is what he's done. "

That's kind of irrelevant, I'm not saying Wigan have a good squad. I just think it's slightly better than Swansea's and a lot better than Norwich's.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 02:44:23 PM
what i'm hopeing is that Villa and Liverpool are both going for Martinez and AVB,

we are playing second fiddle to Liverpool and when they decide which one they want we will get the other, i'm not to fussed which one we get, i would prefer Martinez but am not fussy either way

this is what i'm hopeing, but not what i actually think is happening
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 02:44:41 PM
I think it's essential they make an ambitious/exciting appointment. The rift between the club and the fans needs to be healed and have everyone pulling in the same direction, an imaginative and exciting managerial appointment could do that. We need someone who will get his team to play passing, exciting football and that'll get the crowd off their seats.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
Only to be told to sit down again by the stewards  :)
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Post by: MarkM on May 24, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Isn't Martinez on Holiday in Barbados until Tuesday?...

but i am impressed with the veil of secrecy surrounding things right now.

Maybe its quite because nothings happening and there all sitting around looking at each other saying "what the f*ck do we do now?"

Just a thought
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
Only to be told to sit down again by the stewards  :)

Yes true, but I meant more metaphorically.
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2012, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.

I agree with you here. At the end of the day he's finished lower than those two with a better squad.

Wrong.

From a Wigan fan:

"Yes, we finished higher with Bruce in his final season, but in that team 4 players were crucial: Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole and Heskey - all were sold either in January or August. In the second half of that Bruce season we dropped like a lead balloon. Therefore Martinez came in with major rebuilding to do and without much money to spend. To say he's been backed financially is plain wrong. He's had limited funds from players that we've sold but has needed to massively cut the wage bill, which is what he's done. "

I used to play football and go drinking with the Wigan CEO John Jackson, and my best man was a coach there as well, and they (and the other Wigan fans I know) all absolutely LOVE Martinez.  I met Martinez a couple of times when he was still a player, and he's a smashing bloke as well.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 24, 2012, 02:56:47 PM
Well that's good enough for me.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 24, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM
Isn't Martinez on Holiday in Barbados until Tuesday?...
I guess they could fly out to him or vice versa.Remember Corsica?

We'll always have Corsica.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 24, 2012, 02:58:44 PM
What impressed me most this season was the way he reacted to those two terrible decisions that robbed him of a win over chelsea. Considering what was riding on that game, it was amazing.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 03:03:05 PM
Martinez is favourite with both us and Liverpool at the moment,
 whereas our second favourite Lambert is no where to be seen on the Liverpool odds 50/1,
 they obviously dont fancy him
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
From watching lamberts interview on ssn he certainly doesnt sound like a man thinking of jumping ship, im beginning to think lambert and martinez are maybe wishful thinking, more likely to land poyet or di matteo in my opinion .
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
I'm not a betting man myself, but if he's favourite for both jobs could you not lay that on Betfair and make a killing?
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
I'm not a betting man myself, but if he's favourite for both jobs could you not lay that on Betfair and make a killing?

you probably can, but it all becomes to complicated for me, and not worth the hassle to make £2.87
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:09:16 PM
From watching lamberts interview on ssn he certainly doesnt sound like a man thinking of jumping ship, im beginning to think lambert and martinez are maybe wishful thinking, more likely to land poyet or di matteo in my opinion .
I thought he was pretty non committal
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 24, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: John M on May 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
Only to be told to sit down again by the stewards  :)

Now now
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Nagging doubt for me is that grayson was at bodymoor last week as tweeted by gary gardner apparently and mystery man saying we may have to wait to get our man - please not grayson!
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 24, 2012, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2012, 02:53:01 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 01:52:58 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 24, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on May 24, 2012, 01:48:32 PM
I'm in the not sure about Martinez camp. Just because Wigan finish seasons strongly doesn't make them a good team. They have been one of the worst teams in the prem for the past 3 years. Jewell and Bruce both got them comfortably mid-table and I don't hear anyone touting those 2 for the job. In fact you could say that Lambert and Rodgers have surpassed Martinez's achievements in one season.

I agree with you here. At the end of the day he's finished lower than those two with a better squad.

Wrong.

From a Wigan fan:

"Yes, we finished higher with Bruce in his final season, but in that team 4 players were crucial: Valencia, Palacios, Cattermole and Heskey - all were sold either in January or August. In the second half of that Bruce season we dropped like a lead balloon. Therefore Martinez came in with major rebuilding to do and without much money to spend. To say he's been backed financially is plain wrong. He's had limited funds from players that we've sold but has needed to massively cut the wage bill, which is what he's done. "

I used to play football and go drinking with the Wigan CEO John Jackson, and my best man was a coach there as well, and they (and the other Wigan fans I know) all absolutely LOVE Martinez.  I met Martinez a couple of times when he was still a player, and he's a smashing bloke as well.

They had a 'Martinez Out' banner at this this seasons home game, or was it last..
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
How about this- manager: Sid. DoF: Saunders? 
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2012, 03:43:02 PM
Who, the CEO and the coach?

EDIT: re: PW's post.
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Post by: Mister E on May 24, 2012, 03:46:54 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 03:03:05 PM
Martinez is favourite with both us and Liverpool at the moment,

Not with the 'ploppers I know - they see it the way several on here do: it took him 4-5 seasons to achieve a dozen "get out of jail" games at the end of last season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
How about this- manager: Sid. DoF: Saunders? 

For what, one of the worst ideas imaginable?
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Post by: PeterWithe on May 24, 2012, 03:47:13 PM
Can you edit again as I still don't understand?

Edit- Re Percy.
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Post by: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 24, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
How about this- manager: Sid. DoF: Saunders? 

For what, one of the worst ideas imaginable?

If you like - was trying to keep it lighthearted.

Honestly was hoping the OGS move would happen. Haven't really got any ideas of who would be best for it now as I only really pay attention to villa and pretty much ignore everyone else!
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2012, 04:03:17 PM
PW: was it Wigan's CEO and coach that Risso knows who had the 'Martinez Out' banner?

It's definitely not funny now. Probably never was
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Post by: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Martinez in talks with Liverpool in Miami right now accoring to the quiet and reserved Whelan
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Post by: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Just been on Leeds forum they love Larry Grayson still also fantastic job at Blackpool got Huddersfield to play off final im warming to the idea.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Just been on Leeds forum they love Larry Grayson still also fantastic job at Blackpool got Huddersfield to play off final im warming to the idea.

Im freezing cold at the prospect.
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 24, 2012, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Just been on Leeds forum they love Larry Grayson still also fantastic job at Blackpool got Huddersfield to play off final im warming to the idea.
no no no no no no no no
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
Mick Mills and Bryan Robson are still available.

Go to it Randy!
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:12:52 PM
Benitez's odds have gone crazy in the last few minutes or something.
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 24, 2012, 04:16:33 PM
One of my mates is a season ticket holder at Blackpool and was gutted when Grayson left as that was the highest Blackpool had been for years.  And then Gollum turned up, doubly gutted....until it turned out he did a much better job.  Dont like the man one bit, but like Big Sam has delivered results.  And he was more successful than Grayson.  So I file both under the "meh" heading and see who else we interview.
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Post by: Hoppo on May 24, 2012, 04:17:01 PM
I would rather have Larry than FSW
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 04:17:32 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:12:52 PM
Benitez's odds have gone crazy in the last few minutes or something.

Vibrant? Well, if you smacked his arse he'd wobble for a week, is that the same thing?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 04:26:44 PM
To be honest I don't think we can turn our noses up at a Champions League and Spanish League winning manager. If Benitez becomes our manager it would be an ambitious appointment. It won't happen though I suspect.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.
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Post by: Vanilla on May 24, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Martinez in talks with Liverpool in Miami right now accoring to the quiet and reserved Whelan

If that's true, it's a lot further down the line that he got with us last season. Kind of see where this one's going.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2012, 04:30:09 PM
#AgentITK on twitter has posted that Kung Fu Panda has firmed up from 200/1 to 8/11 in the last thirty seconds. I'm not convinced, even though Kung Fu Panda is a true story. Fact. End of.

#mysterymeg's money is still on Bigfoot.


#lumponifyouknowwhatsgoodforyou
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Post by: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 04:33:43 PM
I don't need an ITK to be certain that Benitez will not be manager of Aston Villa.
Dowie or Joe Kinnear.
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Post by: ajmant on May 24, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
I'd be delighted with Benitez too, but hardly young! Proven track record. Don't see it happening though.
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Post by: Vanilla on May 24, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: ajmant on May 24, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
I'd be delighted with Benitez too, but hardly young! Proven track record. Don't see it happening though.

As I recall this option was put to bed last season when he was informed of our new transfer policy.
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Post by: walsall villain on May 24, 2012, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Nagging doubt for me is that grayson was at bodymoor last week as tweeted by gary gardner apparently and mystery man saying we may have to wait to get our man - please not grayson!

agree! see his odds are on the drift. If he was there then i can't think why. He had a season playing for us once, left his boots?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.
As would I.

Stumbling points would be having his own staff (goodbye Sid and K-Mac) Plus he'd want a decent budget.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 24, 2012, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Nagging doubt for me is that grayson was at bodymoor last week as tweeted by gary gardner apparently and mystery man saying we may have to wait to get our man - please not grayson!

agree! see his odds are on the drift. If he was there then i can't think why. He had a season playing for us once, left his boots?


Mates with one of the coaches and went to lunch with them perhaps...

Regularly seen at the training ground (every now and again at least) so may well have been nothing to it? Would they really conduct talks at Bodymoor? I doubt it. It might be larry, but I doubt it.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 04:44:42 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on May 24, 2012, 04:40:33 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Nagging doubt for me is that grayson was at bodymoor last week as tweeted by gary gardner apparently and mystery man saying we may have to wait to get our man - please not grayson!

agree! see his odds are on the drift. If he was there then i can't think why. He had a season playing for us once, left his boots?
To visit his old club maybe? Check out the excellent training facilities. I'm sure we have a lot of ex players drop in. *Crosses fingers*
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.
As would I.

Stumbling points would be having his own staff (goodbye Sid and K-Mac) Plus he'd want a decent budget.


Rafa would be the dream ticket, and I wanted him badly last summer, but have not even considered it this. The only thing is, he is not being considered for Liverpool OR Chelsea, and wants to stay in England. As such, there are not many options, so we might just be a good one.
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Post by: asgpaul on May 24, 2012, 04:45:16 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.
As would I.

Stumbling points would be having his own staff (goodbye Sid and K-Mac) Plus he'd want a decent budget.

A huge NOOOOO from me for FSW.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 24, 2012, 04:49:05 PM
I would be delighted with Rafa. The more I think about it the less I think we need a 'young' manager. At least with Rafa, he should be able to bridge the divide between the board and footballing decisions.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 04:50:49 PM
A big yes from me for FSW Get him on the poll
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Post by: Concrete John on May 24, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
I don't like the bloke, but then it's hard to argue with his track record.  Similar to AVB though, I think it's be a sign that Randy is willing to spend again.
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Post by: Holte L2 on May 24, 2012, 04:52:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 04:45:08 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.
As would I.

Stumbling points would be having his own staff (goodbye Sid and K-Mac) Plus he'd want a decent budget.


Rafa would be the dream ticket, and I wanted him badly last summer, but have not even considered it this. The only thing is, he is not being considered for Liverpool OR Chelsea, and wants to stay in England. As such, there are not many options, so we might just be a good one.

I was saying to my dad funnily enough this morning I'd take Rafa.  The bitterness towards to Barry saga is now over, and I think he'd do a cracking job for us.  Can attract the right sort of player.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 05:01:08 PM
But he says Cloob? right? Is it legion that says that?
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Post by: OCD on May 24, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Benitez would hardly bring vibrancy back to the club. It would be like McLeish all over again - defensive football.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 24, 2012, 04:28:16 PM
I'd actually be delighted with Benitez.

Me too!
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Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 24, 2012, 05:06:21 PM


  I was thinking about Benitez the other day.

  Bought Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Alonso, and The RB at Real Madrdid, can't remember his name.And to be fair they are all good players.

 Would'nt be disappointed if we had Hoddle though.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 05:07:51 PM
Might as well add Guardiola to the poll. I'd like him.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
Just been on oddschecker- wouldnt say his odds are going crazy by any means , still a long way off the favourites as far as i can see.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 24, 2012, 05:16:14 PM
Don't think it will be Rafa. Lerner knows that he would spend more money than the Greek government.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Benitez would hardly bring vibrancy back to the club. It would be like McLeish all over again - defensive football.

Only with a win percentage in the premier league of 55%.....and an average of 1.5 goals per game, something I would have taken last season.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 05:18:41 PM
I don't see Rafa as a defensive manager
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 24, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 05:01:08 PM
But he says Cloob? right? Is it legion that says that?

Martinez says "cloob" too - must be a Spanish thing.
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Post by: walsall villain on May 24, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
Rafa would know major surgery needed and just can't see the funds being there
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Post by: Tuscans on May 24, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
One for the purists...Michael Laudrup? Out of a job after saving Mallorca from relegation and brings attacking football.

What a player though!
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Benitez would hardly bring vibrancy back to the club. It would be like McLeish all over again - defensive football.

and like Houllier, a massive Liverpool love in

i dont think i could stand all that load of cobblers again
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 05:17:05 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Benitez would hardly bring vibrancy back to the club. It would be like McLeish all over again - defensive football.

Only with a win percentage in the premier league of 55%.....and an average of 1.5 goals per game, something I would have taken last season.


I think to compare Benitez with Mcleish is bordering on the crazy.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 24, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
it is crazy - but to think we might appoint Benitez is also crazy. He'd bankrupt us for sure
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Post by: Nirog72 on May 24, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
Laudrup would be fine with me. Frankly I'd prefer someone who has knowledge of but hasn't managed in this country (include Scotland in that too) simply so there is less concern about how he did at his previous English / Scottish clubs and more about what he will do for us.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on May 24, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
Laudrup would be fine with me. Frankly I'd prefer someone who has knowledge of but hasn't managed in this country (include Scotland in that too) simply so there is less concern about how he did at his previous English / Scottish clubs and more about what he will do for us.

It's Michael not Brian. But I'd be happy with him.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 05:49:41 PM
It's weird that a lot of people are happy to have a Manager of perennial strugglers Wigan, but turn their noses up at a man who has won the Champions League and came quite close to winning the Premier League.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
Id take benitez over martinez without doubt, a proven track record but cant see it happening without him being promised decent cash to spend.
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Post by: mr woo on May 24, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Benitez would hardly bring vibrancy back to the club. It would be like McLeish all over again - defensive football.


If we went to Anfield and won, he could paint his dick red and bang the liver bird in the cavern club if he wanted to.
and like Houllier, a massive Liverpool love in

i dont think i could stand all that load of cobblers again
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Post by: Ian. on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him. Let Liverpool have him.
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 06:06:42 PM
From what I've heard Benitez is more likely to go back to Liverpool.
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Post by: Nev on May 24, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
Latest whisper is that Ranieri is having an interview at Sandwell Town.
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Post by: Moorski on May 24, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
The joys of being a Villa supporter,with Lerners track record backed by Faulkner don't expect too much then you won't be disapointed
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Post by: KevinGage on May 24, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
Laudrup was someone I wanted us to look at back in 2010.

He'd be an interesting choice, but I think I read somewhere that he's put off a few potential employers by insisting on a release clause should any Spanish team come in for him.
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Post by: villadelph on May 24, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
FFS, Rafa is not coming to Villa.

We're going to get a shit name. Again, unhappy.
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Post by: Jarpie on May 24, 2012, 06:15:39 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 24, 2012, 06:14:46 PM
FFS, Rafa is not coming to Villa.

We're going to get a shit name. Again, unhappy.

Shouldn't we be getting Rafa then?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
I wonder if anything is actually happening. All we hear is all the people we haven't approached.
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Post by: supertom on May 24, 2012, 06:32:32 PM
No way to Rafa. He was really losing it in the last couple of seasons at Liverpool. He did good things but there comes a point sometimes, with some managers where they peak and hit a decline. I just don't think he's got it in him to have an impact in this league again. See Houllier/Dalgish/Sven. Rafa's time has passed. He consistently tried and struggled to get Liverpool playing like a Spanish side in this league, it didn't work. They did finish 2nd but he was never really ever in with a sniff of the title.

I'd rather have someone on the way up.
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Post by: villadelph on May 24, 2012, 06:34:38 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
I wonder if anything is actually happening. All we hear is all the people we haven't approached.

We don't offer the job to anyone.. we just chat about so they can't turn us down. Either way we get rejected and the papers have a field day. Out inability to seek out managers is laughable at this point. We waited until late June for McLeish the last time around, I honestly can't wait to see who they think is a good idea next.

Again, I am expecting an extremely underwhelming name to be at the post next season.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
I'm hoping the lack of noise is because we've kept a really exciting prospect under wraps and are just finalising it. I have my doubts though.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 24, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 24, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
Laudrup was someone I wanted us to look at back in 2010.

He'd be an interesting choice, but I think I read somewhere that he's put off a few potential employers by insisting on a release clause should any Spanish team come in for him.


Anyone else thinking that this release clause thing may have had a part to play in the OGS saga? I really wonder what the point of contracts are if they are littered with release clauses.
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Post by: Risso on May 24, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him.

Really?  Come off it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him.

Really?  Come off it.

Exactly, absolutely nuts.
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Post by: Ads on May 24, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Aye Rafa is a top manager. What kind of crack head would prefer McLeish to him?

He would be the safest bet but then he would require backing, however that applies to any new manager coming in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 24, 2012, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:51:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him.

Really?  Come off it.

Exactly, absolutely nuts.

Indeed. He maybe a bit of a twat but nobody can seriously question he is a top flight manager.
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Post by: KRS on May 24, 2012, 06:56:33 PM
FSW would certainly be an appointment that could work well with our current squad, but doubt he'd come without a large investment in the transfer market.
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Post by: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: murgsy on May 24, 2012, 06:58:14 PM
No to Rafa. Never understood his baffling formation/changes. Dull footie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

I severely doubt that, given Whelan has said he's talking to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC
Who had led you to believe that?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 07:01:08 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC
Who had led you to believe that?

Whelan said you can only assume it is to meet Liverpool. Not it is for certain, but Lerner is here so unlikely to be us!
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Post by: villadelph on May 24, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

Eh, I think you are misinformed. The Red Sox are playing the Tampa Bay Rays, and Henry went with the team to Florida. Why would Randy be in Miami?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 24, 2012, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC
Who had led you to believe that?

Ian Abrahams from Talksport on Twitter
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
Lerner flew in on Tuesday, and there has been no reports of him flying out. Unless plane spotters can say different.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 24, 2012, 07:06:25 PM
Amazing what one tweet does to us all again... I hate the new media.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Randy is still over here in any case .
Martinez is meeting liverpool.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Jarpie on May 24, 2012, 07:10:13 PM
You sure? Oh good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 24, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

Hmmm...I'd like to believe you, but I don't.
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Post by: KRS on May 24, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Its all over SSN that hes in Miami speaking to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' owners...including DWs latest load of gobshite.
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Post by: Eigentor on May 24, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
While it's still early days, some of the impatience is understandable as a drawn-out process going like this

"Ancelotti? Won't come.
Moyes? Won't come.
Benitez? Won't come/On second thought we don't want him anyway.
Martinez? Won't come.
McClaren? On second thought we don't want him anyway.
We bloody need someone. McLeish?! McLeish!"

would be undesirable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 24, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Its all over SSN that hes in Miami speaking to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' owners...including DWs latest load of gobshite.

Thats only because Dave Whelan has been on there "assuming " an awful lot
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 24, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
There seemed to be so many options last Monday. Where have they all gone? Gradually losing enthusiasm for this....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
I'm hoping the lack of noise is because we've kept a really exciting prospect under wraps and are just finalising it.

I note that, 'the blond angel', Berndt Schuster has come into the betting.  Real Madrid after Capello, got them to La Liga champions in 2008, record points total over Barca's (I'm thinking, 'not draws, then').  Also, there's a comment from the press at the time about being credited for re-introducing 'beautiful football' to RM in that same season.

I also like the bit in his bio that describes him being passionately dedicated to his teams and storming out of more than one press conference.  I think Villa could do with a bit of passion, volatility and dare I say it , vibrancy.  And he's a new name.


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Randy went back to USA on his private jet.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 07:25:01 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 06:36:43 PM
I'm hoping the lack of noise is because we've kept a really exciting prospect under wraps and are just finalising it.

I note that, 'the blond angel', Berndt Schuster has come into the betting.  Real Madrid after Capello, got them to La Liga champions in 2008, record points total over Barca's (I'm thinking, 'not draws, then').  Also, there's a comment from the press at the time about being credited for re-introducing 'beautiful football' to RM in that same season.

I also like the bit in his bio that describes him being passionately dedicated to his teams and storming out of more than one press conference.  I think Villa could do with a bit of passion, volatility and dare I say it , vibrancy.  And he's a new name.




Again that would be a fucking brilliant appointment but can't see it.
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Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Randy went back to USA on his private jet.

To Miami?

I don't think anyone really knows what's going on or who we're going to end up with. A part of me would like them to take their time and get the right man but at the same time you  just want to know who it's going to be.
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Post by: villainjock on May 24, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
we were in town lunch time today and saw chris powell going into hotel du vin, i presume he was up here for the grass roots football at the nec, but he seems to have had a good season at charlton and is young and vibrant, would'nt be a bad choice.
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 24, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
I've defended us in the past when non-Villa supporting mates have digs at us by saying no manager is ever good enough for Villa fans. Then I see on here how everyone turns their nose up at a manger who's won La Liga twice, the Champions League and FA cup, even saying McLeish would be better, and I wonder if they have a point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 24, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
There seemed to be so many options last Monday. Where have they all gone? Gradually losing enthusiasm for this....

Yep 3 years running weve been in this position and people are takin the piss saying no wants to manage us - i so hope we pull a decent name out!
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Post by: Dave on May 24, 2012, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 24, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
There seemed to be so many options last Monday. Where have they all gone? Gradually losing enthusiasm for this....

Yep 3 years running weve been in this position and people are takin the piss saying no wants to manage us - i so hope we pull a decent name out!
You mean you can't tell us exactly who it's going to be anymore?

*rolls eyes*
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Post by: Eigentor on May 24, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on May 24, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
I've defended us in the past when non-Villa supporting mates have digs at us by saying no manager is ever good enough for Villa fans. Then I see on here how everyone turns their nose up at a manger who's won La Liga twice, the Champions League and FA cup, even saying McLeish would be better, and I wonder if they have a point.

Everyone? Maybe I'm missing something here, but to me it looked like one poster, who was quickly ridiculed, too.
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Post by: villadelph on May 24, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
Bannan is in Florida with the Scotland team, someone ask him if he knows something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 24, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.

Im not
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Post by: asgpaul on May 24, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 24, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on May 24, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
I've defended us in the past when non-Villa supporting mates have digs at us by saying no manager is ever good enough for Villa fans. Then I see on here how everyone turns their nose up at a manger who's won La Liga twice, the Champions League and FA cup, even saying McLeish would be better, and I wonder if they have a point.

Everyone? Maybe I'm missing something here, but to me it looked like one poster, who was quickly ridiculed, too.

I don't fancy Benitez as our next manager, but that's not to say 'no manager is good enough', I got caught up with the idea of a young, hungry manager with some longevity hence why OGS was such an exciting prospect.  I still think Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers are more exciting prospects than Benitez but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.

Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.

Doesnt need to be a press conference to name the manager, just a statement on the website will suffice , press conferences usually follow a few days later, if recent appointments are anything to go by.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 08:02:17 PM
got to laugh at old Dave Whelan,

he's like Martinez's own personel Sat Nav
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Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 24, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
There seemed to be so many options last Monday. Where have they all gone? Gradually losing enthusiasm for this....
Don't despair there is another Monday coming!
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Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: john e on May 24, 2012, 08:02:17 PM
got to laugh at old Dave Whelan,

he's like Martinez's own personel Sat Nav

I reckon he rings into Talk Sport rather than they ring him.
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Post by: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Randy went back to USA on his private jet.

To Miami?

I don't think anyone really knows what's going on or who we're going to end up with. A part of me would like them to take their time and get the right man but at the same time you  just want to know who it's going to be.
Not sure but I do know he's gone back on his private jet after the meeting with Solskjaer.

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Post by: olaftab on May 24, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.

Doesnt need to be a press conference to name the manager, just a statement on the website will suffice , press conferences usually follow a few days later, if recent appointments are anything to go by.
I am pleased to hear that. I can almost see it now " Lambert arrives and announces a new era full of silverware for the club he has always supported"
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
I am surprised that there is no announcement of a press conference  at VP tomorrow morning.

Doesnt need to be a press conference to name the manager, just a statement on the website will suffice , press conferences usually follow a few days later, if recent appointments are anything to go by.
I am pleased to hear that. I can almost see it now " Lambert arrives and announces a new era full of silverware for the club he has always supported"

Have you put a bet on Lambert?  What odds did you get?
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
I want somebody more exciting than Lambert.
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Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
surely if it was Lambert we wanted (i dont BTW) we would have got him by now,

  niether Chelsea or Liverpool seem to be interested, so we would be the only one knocking at the door, an approach may well have been made of coarse, but from all accounts we havent even been in touch with him

like Risso says, i think things will get clearer when 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and Chelsea decide what they are doing, dominoe effect and all that
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 24, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Its all over SSN that hes in Miami speaking to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' owners...including DWs latest load of gobshite.

Thanks. What have I ever done to you?
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Post by: Eigentor on May 24, 2012, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 24, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 24, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on May 24, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
I've defended us in the past when non-Villa supporting mates have digs at us by saying no manager is ever good enough for Villa fans. Then I see on here how everyone turns their nose up at a manger who's won La Liga twice, the Champions League and FA cup, even saying McLeish would be better, and I wonder if they have a point.

Everyone? Maybe I'm missing something here, but to me it looked like one poster, who was quickly ridiculed, too.

I don't fancy Benitez as our next manager, but that's not to say 'no manager is good enough', I got caught up with the idea of a young, hungry manager with some longevity hence why OGS was such an exciting prospect.  I still think Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers are more exciting prospects than Benitez but that's just my opinion.

I see that, but Benitez is just 50 or so (no older than TSM) and has still managed to win loads of trophies. His final year at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and his spell at Inter (which wasn't that bad anyway) are spots on an otherwise impressive CV.

OGS, Martinez, Lambert and Rodgers are promising managers, but nothing more. Benitez is a proven winner.

In terms of competence and experience he is (by far) the best manager we can realistically hope to get. The question marks are over his temperament and whether he is the right fit for us in the state we are in at the moment.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 
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Post by: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
The problem with Benitez, apart from the Liverpool obsession, is that one year on its doubtful that we suddenly have the budget to match his spending desires.
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Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

Hope so, but I can't see it.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 24, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Randy went back to USA on his private jet.
Went back last friday and returned here two days ago- please keep up!
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Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 24, 2012, 08:32:04 PM
With only 7 days left to purchase season tickets at the frozen price a bloody good managerial appointment in the next couple of days could see a surge in season ticket sales.
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Post by: supertom on May 24, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
Benetiz wouldn't come here in a million years. His ego is too big. In his mind he'd be above this club, unless we said we'd give him 100 mill to spend. I don't rate him but given his CV I'd live in hope he could recapture some of his past glory AND...he's a huge step up from McLeish, and much as Houllier might disagree, the one before him. There's no chance. He'll be looking at top 5 clubs in England, Spain or Italy.
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Post by: asgpaul on May 24, 2012, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

Ironically I was thinking about BFR's u-turn with reference to OGS today, obviously wishful thinking tho'.
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Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 

Id much prefer to give it to jessie j!
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Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

They play tonight as well i think. I can't see it personally but you never know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 24, 2012, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

Hope so, but I can't see it.


i hope so as well, i've got £80 riding on the Scandy Twat
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 24, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

They play tonight as well i think. I can't see it personally but you never know.

not after his press conference , cant see him leaving molde for at least 2 more years , time to forget him .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
It is highly unlikely, but the comments about Villa asking for more talks and now not being the time etc... Dunno, Villa are very, very quiet, and OGS has clearly had his hand forced by Rokke to some extent and his family on the other. If he is now doing the whole sitting at home and thinking what if.. there may be another card to play. Never do know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 24, 2012, 08:39:53 PM
Got a horrible gut feeling we'll end up with Curbishley.

Free, available and has the 'Premier League experience' that Faulkner and co require.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Shrek on May 24, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
I'm on Abit of downer about Villa at the moment.
I just cannot see Villa appointing anyone that will give me optimism, it will be someone dull and desperate and Randy will give some underwhelming reason as to why it's such a good appointment.(like the Fergie letter for McLeish)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 

Id much prefer to give it to jessie j!

No chance! 
How do you feel about Englebert Humperdinck?

Sir Paul McCartney is spoken for, I believe.  My money's on P.William doing an intervention and getting us Will.i.am.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 24, 2012, 08:43:37 PM
He renegotiated his contract to remove the clause this season and pledged to stay. He isn't coming. Get over it people.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 24, 2012, 08:27:19 PM
I really can't decide now, I was really optimistic for OGS for as much reason as I don't particularly want any of the others we've been linked too.

Lambert for me is the best option but even he, for me, would be progression on the same path we've been on for most of randy's time at the club.  My misgivings with that are that I see this summer as our best opportunity for a change in philosophy, money will have to be spent, the youngsters are a big part of the squad and a fair few of the overpaid under-performing 'seniors' have gone.

Still holding out hope for a Rangnick or Loew to come from nowhere and be announced.

In Norway there is a big break next Tuesday after the next couple of games. It still would not shock me if a Ron like turn around happened, and we are simply waiting it out for some reason.

In all honesty I'd love that and I do see how it could be the case, if he wanted to see out the last 2 games before the break without pissing the fans off surely a mutual press release from us and him that's it's not going to happen would be the best bet.

I think it's highly, highly unlikely though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 08:39:53 PM
Got a horrible gut feeling we'll end up with Curbishley.

Free, available and has the 'Premier League experience' that Faulkner and co require.

Not the inspiring choice we would all hope for, but would be an improvement on McLeish in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 24, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
I'm still not ruling out AVB. The job offers are running out for him. He'd love it at Villa Park. The only problem I see is his agent thinking he's better than he is. He's good but not that good. Porto runs itself, they almost don't need a coach, their president has been running the club (and team) successfully for 35 years.

Whatever that magic powder was that was sprinkled on us last Thursday night, we need more of it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 08:39:53 PM
Got a horrible gut feeling we'll end up with Curbishley.

Free, available and has the 'Premier League experience' that Faulkner and co require.

But you would be better served with Poyet given a chance

Not the inspiring choice we would all hope for, but would be an improvement on McLeish in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
What I cannot work out is how this all played out from the various stories that are out there. Now either Solskjaer was clearly the first choice and the board had decided they wanted him, which begs the question why didn't they offer him the job? Or he was one of several 'exciting' candidates in which case we should be well down the road with those candidates now. However it appears like not a lot is going on, unless they've been able to keep it unbelievably quiet. It's all very odd.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 24, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
I'm still not ruling out AVB. The job offers are running out for him. He'd love it at Villa Park. The only problem I see is his agent thinking he's better than he is. He's good but not that good. Porto runs itself, they almost don't need a coach, their president has been running the club (and team) successfully for 35 years.

Whatever that magic powder was that was sprinkled on us last Thursday night, we need more of it.

Too true, and probably explains me still hankering after the Scandinavian. I think they must have at least sounded out avb.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: lovejoy on May 24, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 24, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
I'm still not ruling out AVB. The job offers are running out for him. He'd love it at Villa Park. The only problem I see is his agent thinking he's better than he is. He's good but not that good. Porto runs itself, they almost don't need a coach, their president has been running the club (and team) successfully for 35 years.

Whatever that magic powder was that was sprinkled on us last Thursday night, we need more of it.

...and we laugh at Liverpool for having their eyes set on Pep.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 24, 2012, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him.

Really?  Come off it.
I wouldn't want either is my point.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2012, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 24, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 24, 2012, 06:05:40 PM
Not FSW please. I would have rather have given McLeish more time than him.

Really?  Come off it.
I wouldn't want either is my point.
We don't really have many Liga or Champions League winning managers queuing up at our door.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 24, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. It will be Capello.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 24, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. It will be Capello.

Bernd Schuster did better with RM (when he took over after Capello.)

But that's no reason for the Villa not to go after Capello! Could be a winning gambit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DB on May 24, 2012, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 24, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. It will be Capello.

Bernd Schuster did better with RM (when he took over after Capello.)

But that's no reason for the Villa not to go after Capello! Could be a winning gambit.
Capello was asked to win la liga from Barca which he did, he got Real Madrid back on track. I wouldn't mind him at all, even if he did fuck up the world cup.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: spangley1812 on May 24, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
Frank De Boer has turned down the Liverpool job , they are now speaking to his Brother Rupert.........
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
He wears a good scarf I heard, though dodgy trousers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
He wears a good scarf I heard, though dodgy trousers.

Good scarf may score over dodgy trousers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
Maybe the season just gone has shaken Faulkner and Lerner, and they realise they have to make this appointment one that the fans are really onside with. Ole captured the imagination, the key is being able to do that again. If there is a budget over time, say Randy is willing to fund fees for 20 million plus sales for the next 4 summers, as long as the wages are in a certain range, then it may well be quite tempting to managers that think they can find a bargain or two. Pardew has shown you can mould a team on a budget, and if you buy young you can sell high to fund new players. A bit of imagination.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 24, 2012, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 24, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
I've said it before and i'll say it again. It will be Capello.

No chance. I'll eat my hat if he comes here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ad@m on May 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
The Villa job should be more attractive now than at almost any time in our history.

The squad and team have clearly underperformed recently, the outgoing manager was one of the most loathed we've ever had, fans expectations are rock bottom, and the owner is as soft as billionaires get.

Oh, and we're one of the biggest clubs in the land.

For any aspiring manager with ambition this is one of the best opportunities they'll ever see.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rich on May 24, 2012, 09:42:44 PM
As long as we don't get due dilligenced out of a good appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?

Well, yes.  Why not?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
The Villa job should be more attractive now than at almost any time in our history.

The squad and team have clearly underperformed recently, the outgoing manager was one of the most loathed we've ever had, fans expectations are rock bottom, and the owner is as soft as billionaires get.

Oh, and we're one of the biggest clubs in the land.

For any aspiring manager with ambition this is one of the best opportunities they'll ever see.

Spot on. We play it down so much. AVB is a very long shot, I said to Maz on here a number of times no chance, but I would hope we are at least sounding him out and explaining where we want to go. And his options, from this time last week, appear have reduced dramatically. Benitez wants to stay in the Premier league and still lives here. City, Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle, are not going to come up, and Liverpool and Chelsea have passed him over. We may not be able to get the top managers, but the ones that have fallen from their perch a little and need a club to prove they still have it, could do a hell of a lot worse than looking at Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 24, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?

Quite right Chris.

It will be Franz Beckenbauer. 

Just a shame he won't be joining us in time to coach young Ivanhoe, the modern day Beckenbauer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?

Well, yes.  Why not?

I suppose there is as good a chance of them turning up at Villa as Wigan or West Brom.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 

Id much prefer to give it to jessie j!

No chance! 
How do you feel about Englebert Humperdinck?

Sir Paul McCartney is spoken for, I believe.  My money's on P.William doing an intervention and getting us Will.i.am.


I was just about to quote eastie saying 'well, who wouldn't?' when you spoiled my fun and answered the question before I'd even asked it!

No fair!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
The Villa job should be more attractive now than at almost any time in our history.

The squad and team have clearly underperformed recently, the outgoing manager was one of the most loathed we've ever had, fans expectations are rock bottom, and the owner is as soft as billionaires get.

Oh, and we're one of the biggest clubs in the land.

For any aspiring manager with ambition this is one of the best opportunities they'll ever see.

Spot on. We play it down so much. AVB is a very long shot, I said to Maz on here a number of times no chance, but I would hope we are at least sounding him out and explaining where we want to go. And his options, from this time last week, appear have reduced dramatically. Benitez wants to stay in the Premier league and still lives here. City, Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle, are not going to come up, and Liverpool and Chelsea have passed him over. We may not be able to get the top managers, but the ones that have fallen from their perch a little and need a club to prove they still have it, could do a hell of a lot worse than looking at Villa.

I completely agree with the fact that too many of us downplay how great an opportunity managing Villa is. Mind you it doesn't help that we hired McLeish last year but the situation has changed and the board have acknowleged that. We are simply not going after the bollocks names that do the circuit every time a new job comes up. It won't be Curbs or Bruce or any other has been wanker. Faulkner has been very specific that the new bloke will meet the "Young, Ambitious and Hungry" criteria. It might be Martinez, it might be Lambert, possibly Di Matteo or Poyet, or indeed someone else completely off the radar. It won't be Benitez and it certainly won't be Capello. I'd be stunned if the new bloke was any more than 45 years old, and he'll be given a lot of rope to get fans back into loving the club again. This isn't last year. It's clear to me at least that Faulkner was bored to shit by the end, and never expected things to get this bad and they have a competely new approach to who should lead us forward.

I'm not worried, and I stand to make a complete fool of myself if they go against everything they said. But naive though I might sound I don't see it being anything outside of the parameters they've set, with OGS being a tiny sample of what I think they are looking at.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: James on May 24, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 

Id much prefer to give it to jessie j!

No chance! 
How do you feel about Englebert Humperdinck?

Sir Paul McCartney is spoken for, I believe.  My money's on P.William doing an intervention and getting us Will.i.am.


I was just about to quote eastie saying 'well, who wouldn't?' when you spoiled my fun and answered the question before I'd even asked it!

No fair!  ;)

That's the way the learjet lands.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: nigel on May 24, 2012, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?

Well, yes.  Why not?
Capello & Bentitez don't tick all the boxes regarding young, vibrant etc
I'd like to see Villas Boas, I wouldn't mind Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers, but I really think it will be Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 10:10:32 PM
Of all the young ones, Di Matteo is the one I want least I have to say. 2 wins in 18 before getting the chop at West Brom, and very defensive.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:11:23 PM
I see on Villasquawk a photo of Martinez and the Liverpool owner walking along chatting has been posted.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: James on May 24, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 24, 2012, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
At this point, even Sir Tom Jones (The Voice tm) would get my vote.

I just don't want The Villa to settle for mediocrity. 

Id much prefer to give it to jessie j!

No chance! 
How do you feel about Englebert Humperdinck?

Sir Paul McCartney is spoken for, I believe.  My money's on P.William doing an intervention and getting us Will.i.am.


I was just about to quote eastie saying 'well, who wouldn't?' when you spoiled my fun and answered the question before I'd even asked it!

No fair!  ;)

That's the way the learjet lands.


Just my luck!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 24, 2012, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 24, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Are people seriously expecting the likes of Capello, Villas Boas or Benitez to be in the running to be the next Villa manager?

Well, yes.  Why not?
Capello & Bentitez don't tick all the boxes regarding young, vibrant etc
I'd like to see Villas Boas, I wouldn't mind Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers, but I really think it will be Di Matteo.

I just don't want the Villa to be underestimated.  I want to think we could get anybody, because we deserve it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Paolo di Canio ticks all the boxes for me. Young enough, good style of football, a real disciplinarian and a winner. His first season stats and achievements are worth taking notice of, he would represent a gamble, but so was OGS.
Another name is Lee Clark, he appears to have fallen off the football radar, I thought he was a very promising manager, young, ambitious, very experienced for his age, his home record and unbeaten run stand up for themselves. Not sure why he parted company with Huddersfield, or why he hasn't surfaced elsewhere.
Either of those two would be more appealing than Curbishley, McCarthy, FSW.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
If it was going to be curbs then surely they would have moved for him by now considering he's been out of work for fecking ages!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
If it was going to be curbs then surely they would have moved for him by now considering he's been out of work for fecking ages!

That's a good point and hopefully proof they don't want him. It really needs to be an exciting and ambitious appointment, to reinvigorate the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.

I've read a lot of your posts Mr Winchagain, and I wish for once you'd just get off the fence and say what you bloody mean!  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: nigel on May 24, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2012, 10:10:32 PM
Of all the young ones, Di Matteo is the one I want least I have to say. 2 wins in 18 before getting the chop at West Brom, and very defensive.
I was of the opinion that Albion played nice stuff under Di Matteo but couldn't win, bit like Martinez at Wigan.
If he came with Wilkins that would be a bonus, but I reckon he'd want to stay down in London.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
Quote from: James on May 24, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.

I've read a lot of your posts Mr Winchagain, and I wish for once you'd just get off the fence and say what you bloody mean!  ;)

Ha ha yes!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.
He is passionate about his teams, he is Italian, that's how they are. I think he would be a great manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
He'd be shit. And he's a daft facist.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
I quite like Di Canio don't see the problem myself
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Why is he a fascist? Serious question
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
He'd be shit. And he's a daft facist.
Why would he?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
I don't know why, because he's a moron?

He's said so himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:32:12 PM
I like him
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinEaton on May 24, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
Has anyone mentioned Slaven Bilic yet? Not sure what his current contract length is, but I think he could be worth a shout. He knows English football and might be able to bring some lesser known players from the continent as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:40:30 PM
I'd rather someone like him rather than Benitez, if won't be him anyway
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Post by: seanthevillan on May 24, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Why is he a fascist? Serious question

There could be a whole load of reasons why, but if you want proof he has spoken of his admiration for Mussolini, is a Lazio fan/player, made a fascist salute whilst playing for Lazio against Roma and Livorno (lefty clubs), and said this afterwards:

Quote
"I will always salute as I did because it gives me a sense of belonging to my people...I saluted my people with what for me is a sign of belonging to a group that holds true values, values of civility against the standardisation that this society imposes upon us."
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Post by: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality. All qualities we have been seriously lacking in the last 12 months or more.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality.

And march into the sudetenland.

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Post by: Karl Bridges on May 24, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
Bilic is signed up for a job in Russia after the Euros.
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 24, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
AVB is 60/1 for the Villa job and 18/1 third fav. for the Albion job ! Work that one out.
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Post by: James on May 24, 2012, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on May 24, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
AVB is 60/1 for the Villa job and 18/1 third fav. for the Albion job ! Work that one out.

Easy, it's who fans are backing/betting on, it means nothing in reality.
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Post by: frank black on May 24, 2012, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
The Villa job should be more attractive now than at almost any time in our history.

The squad and team have clearly underperformed recently, the outgoing manager was one of the most loathed we've ever had, fans expectations are rock bottom, and the owner is as soft as billionaires get.

Oh, and we're one of the biggest clubs in the land.

For any aspiring manager with ambition this is one of the best opportunities they'll ever see.

Definitely an ideal job for someone to ' have a go'. However, established or rated managers will think twice, due to the clubs limited budget and ambitions. Sad but true IMO.
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Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 24, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality. All qualities we have been seriously lacking in the last 12 months or more.

Precisely!!

What does it matter if he is a fascist?

It's a shame that nice Mr Breivik is under lock & key. He'd make an excellent press officer.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 11:42:27 PM
Mad fantasies of world domination. 

And why not, eh?  It's a bit like playing, 'Risk'.  I hope the Villa have sewn up Australia.
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Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 25, 2012, 12:01:00 AM
Di Canio?

Probably the only candidate that would keep me away from Villa Park.

Some things are more important than football.
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 12:02:45 AM
This is a tweet from earlier today:-

Ian Abrahams ‏@Moose_talkSPORT
Reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

OK, He's a talkSPORT 'journalist', but could be plausible after OGSgate.
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Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 25, 2012, 12:12:53 AM
I don't know anymore!
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 12:02:45 AM
This is a tweet from earlier today:-

Ian Abrahams ‏@Moose_talkSPORT
Reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

OK, He's a talkSPORT 'journalist', but could be plausible after OGSgate.

Apart from the 2 photos of Henry and Martinez drinking coffee walking the Miami streets. The Moose is a blithering idiot.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 25, 2012, 12:19:28 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.
Agreed.
Although we do have a habit at Villa Park of converting right-wingers to the left.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 25, 2012, 01:31:41 AM
Had Lambert at 7/2 tonight..fed up with all the rest! I never win but there you are!
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 25, 2012, 03:48:41 AM
dont think 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' will be happy with fat spanish waiters young distant cousin.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 12:02:45 AM
This is a tweet from earlier today:-

Ian Abrahams ‏@Moose_talkSPORT
Reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

OK, He's a talkSPORT 'journalist', but could be plausible after OGSgate.

Dont think so mate. Not unless Lerner is wearing a John Henry mask.

https://p.twimg.com/Atr92G_CQAAJm4l.jpg
 
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Post by: bones. on May 25, 2012, 04:29:51 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality.

And march into the sudetenland.


New ground for me. Who plays there?
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2012, 04:32:11 AM
Quote from: bones. on May 25, 2012, 04:29:51 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality.

And march into the sudetenland.


New ground for me. Who plays there?

I think its a shared venue between two home teams.  A bit like the San Siro I gather.
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Post by: villadelph on May 25, 2012, 05:44:08 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 12:02:45 AM
This is a tweet from earlier today:-

Ian Abrahams ‏@Moose_talkSPORT
Reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

OK, He's a talkSPORT 'journalist', but could be plausible after OGSgate.

Dont think so mate. Not unless Lerner is wearing a John Henry mask.

https://p.twimg.com/Atr92G_CQAAJm4l.jpg

Martinez definitely fits in around Miami. Wish Lerner had a little more brass in him. The little guy would never be caught wondering city streets while doing business.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2012, 06:02:34 AM
Quote from: frank black on May 24, 2012, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 24, 2012, 09:40:57 PM
The Villa job should be more attractive now than at almost any time in our history.

The squad and team have clearly underperformed recently, the outgoing manager was one of the most loathed we've ever had, fans expectations are rock bottom, and the owner is as soft as billionaires get.

Oh, and we're one of the biggest clubs in the land.

For any aspiring manager with ambition this is one of the best opportunities they'll ever see.

Definitely an ideal job for someone to ' have a go'. However, established or rated managers will think twice, due to the clubs limited budget and ambitions. Sad but true IMO.

I can see this. But I can also see:

- squad flirted with relegation 2 years running
- and shed significant number of senior experienced players
- ownership of club perhaps however still persisting with strategy whereby managers expected to work with what they've got
- very much unproven bunch of young kids
- fans that have turned against previous two managers an to an extent even mon

We had a fair bit of this Panglossian attitude last summer. We were going to get a top manager. Randy was going to splash the cash. My concern is that the board may believe a better managerial choice would lift the same group of players into the top half. A different choice would have done better than mcleish last year. But the current squad stands a very good chance of being relegated
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 06:22:54 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 25, 2012, 05:44:08 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2012, 04:09:38 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 25, 2012, 12:02:45 AM
This is a tweet from earlier today:-

Ian Abrahams ‏@Moose_talkSPORT
Reports Roberto Martinez is in Miami - I am lead to believe it's for talks with Randy Learner over a move to Aston Villa NOT Liverpool FC

OK, He's a talkSPORT 'journalist', but could be plausible after OGSgate.

Dont think so mate. Not unless Lerner is wearing a John Henry mask.

https://p.twimg.com/Atr92G_CQAAJm4l.jpg

Martinez definitely fits in around Miami. Wish Lerner had a little more brass in him. The little guy would never be caught wondering city streets while doing business.

Times journalist Oliver Kay claims this photo is a fake.
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Post by: Jarpie on May 25, 2012, 06:44:45 AM
Has there been any credible sources that Klinsmann is consulting Lerner on manager appointment or is that just murmuring rumours?
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 25, 2012, 06:44:56 AM
Well Martinez does wear a watch on his right hand so what is fake about it?
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Post by: Jarpie on May 25, 2012, 06:48:36 AM
There's also another photo circulating around...

(http://i45.tinypic.com/14tla3n.jpg)

http://i45.tinypic.com/14tla3n.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/14tla3n.jpg)
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Post by: oldtimernow on May 25, 2012, 07:04:11 AM
you can tell it's a fake by the absence of shadow
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 07:07:11 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 24, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
If it was going to be curbs then surely they would have moved for him by now considering he's been out of work for fecking ages!

That's a good point and hopefully proof they don't want him. It really needs to be an exciting and ambitious appointment, to reinvigorate the club.
If Villa can't get the targets they want, he might well be the default choice.

Please, don't have nightmares.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 07:11:35 AM
Quote from: James on May 24, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Di Canio can fuck right off, nutcase.

I've read a lot of your posts Mr Winchagain, and I wish for once you'd just get off the fence and say what you bloody mean!  ;)

Agree on DiCanio, what the hell has he done to justify a top Managers job?
He promoted Swindon, but If I suggested O'Driscoll who manages newly promoted Crawley, i'd be rightly laughed off the site.

A facist prick to boot.

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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 07:27:33 AM
I have been to Miami, and photos we took had very, very little shadow, so not sure that is an argument. This is the same photo from 2 different angles and seems far too much work to produce if it is fake.

We are still being linked with the famous south american chap I see.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
@JamesNursey: Looks like #AVFC  been holding out for Martinez (long shot) with Lambo on backburner as AV think they can get him (whatever Lambo says).
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Post by: Jarpie on May 25, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
Mirror "journalism" without any basis. Twat on twatter.
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Post by: Irreverent ad on May 25, 2012, 07:36:05 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
@JamesNursey: Looks like #AVFC  been holding out for Martinez (long shot) with Lambo on backburner as AV think they can get him (whatever Lambo says).

I cannot see Lambert being happy being runner up, if true.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2012, 07:42:13 AM
If those photos are fake then someone has far too much time on their hands
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 08:00:33 AM
@TimothyAbraham: Understand there has been no official approach from Villa for either Roberto Martinez or Paul Lambert yet. #AVFC #WAFC #NCFC

And

@TimothyAbraham: However, #AVFC board remain relaxed about the situation and happy with progress. They would rather wait and make the right appointment.

I think they're waiting for Liverpool to appoint
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Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 08:10:37 AM
Quote from: Jarpie on May 25, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
Mirror "journalism" without any basis. Twat on twatter.

Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
@JamesNursey: Looks like #AVFC  been holding out for Martinez (long shot) with Lambo on backburner as AV think they can get him (whatever Lambo says).

In other words, like most of us he has'nt got a clue.
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Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 15, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
I wouldn't want any of the shit Londonvilla has suggested.

I'd consider Di Matteo, once Chelsea have fucked him off.

That's not a bad shout at all. And I think he might consider it. After all, if he'd take the Albion job...

Depending on what happens with Martinez I would have thought Liverpool would be watching that situation, as well as a lot of other clubs.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 25, 2012, 08:16:17 AM
@edwardlear: on the top of the Crumpetty Tree the Quangle Wangle sat but his face you could not see on account of his Beaver Hat #avfc

I think that Poyet is still our number one target.
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Post by: Jarpie on May 25, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
I guess we can forget the appointment for this week, oh well.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 25, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
Photo manipulation and so on is part of my work and I would be confident that neither of those photos are fake.
Not that I'm all that bothered. Very bizarre having an interview walking the streets of a major city though.

I can't imagine that Lambert is an alternative to Martinez. I would have thought it would be the other way around.
Lots of bullshit flying about and to be honest I'm getting pretty bored with it.
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Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 25, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that this next appointment is going to be a bit of a departure to what we're expecting.

Everybody is expecting us to go for Martinez and Lambert - but equally if we go back to the original statement from the board, the following lines:

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.

"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.

"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

I think that if we can read between these lines, the often flung around names are not going to fit that bill at all. What it seems to be heading towards is a completely leftfield departure from the names that we are normally linked with - in my opinion, OGS was just the start - if the board are looking at young and dynamic managers, such as him, then it should probably give us a decent hint of the direction that we are looking at.

So (thankfully!), I think we can forget all the controversial names for the timebeing and look a bit more at the fringes of the betting...

If I had £10, I'd put it very sneakily on AVB at the moment. Just got that feeling about it for some reason...

It's just my opinion, and quite simply, it might be bollocks and I'll be the first in the queue to get a shoeing when we appoint Grayson, but it's just what I'm thinking right now.

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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
Same here Maz, I'm fed up of wasting my days refreshing the browser, can someone PM me when something actually happens!
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Post by: Irish villain on May 25, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
I had high hopes that they had somebody in mind when they sacked TSM and would just go get him. We probably are going about it the right way, it's just the fear we all have that it could pan out like our recent manager searches.

This has to be a good appointment. We cannot afford to make a third consecutive balls of a managerial appointment.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2012, 09:04:32 AM
It wouldn’t surprise me that we had identified our target but KKK’s sacking has changed things.

Sadly I think we’ll have to wait until after Liverpool appoint their manager as at the very least “our guy” will be using that vacancy for leverage to get a better deal for himself (at worst waiting to see whether they offer him the job).
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Post by: Jimbo on May 25, 2012, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 25, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
This has to be a good appointment. We cannot afford to make a third consecutive balls of a managerial appointment.

The big fat blistering question remains: is the board capable of anything else?
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Post by: Reuben on May 25, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 25, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
If I had £10, I'd put it very sneakily on AVB at the moment. Just got that feeling about it for some reason...



Cheers for that - just put a fiver on at 50/1
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Rafa second favourite now
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Whilst getting the right man is crucial, I think that doing it quickly is very important too. There is a lot of work to do this summer.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 25, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
I'm more interested in whether any incoming manager will have a reasonable (25-30 mil) amount to improve the squad. Unlike many of our posters i don't think the squad was good enough to get mid table last season and no matter who the incoming manager is we will have the same problem next season if Randy doesn't spend.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 25, 2012, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 25, 2012, 04:32:11 AM
Quote from: bones. on May 25, 2012, 04:29:51 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 24, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 24, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 24, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Good for you. He would be a disaster for us though.
Why would he be a disaster for us?
I think he would be good, he would bring passion, flair, strong leadership, and a winning mentality.

And march into the sudetenland.


New ground for me. Who plays there?

I think its a shared venue between two home teams.  A bit like the San Siro I gather.
I believe that Schutzstaffel F.C. shared the ground with their close neighbours F.C. Waffen Schutzstaffel. Strangely both clubs went out of business at the same time in 1945.
Waffen Schutzstaffel had a policy of taking in players from other teams they had beaten and turning them into prototype Joey Barton's.
The other odd thing about the two clubs was that they both played in the same colours, black with silver trimmings.
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Post by: Boz on May 25, 2012, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 24, 2012, 08:39:53 PM
Got a horrible gut feeling we'll end up with Curbishley.

Free, available and has the 'Premier League experience' that Faulkner and co require.

Not the inspiring choice we would all hope for, but would be an improvement on McLeish in my opinion.

Anyone would be an improvement on McLeish, but Curbishley would be nearly as bad and doesn't fit "young and dynamic"
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:43:23 AM
Spanish Waiter now second favourite - clealry after recent ex Liverpool managerial appointments/reappointments that is a terrible thought.
I didn't know Randy had another £100m to pee up the wall.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
I don't know why but I reckon it's going to be someone from Europe that we never suspected.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:48:05 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:43:23 AM
Spanish Waiter now second favourite - clealry after recent ex Liverpool managerial appointments/reappointments that is a terrible thought.
I didn't know Randy had another £100m to pee up the wall.

Spoke to soon - now favourite on Paddy Power at 5-2. Jeeps some more dour, negative football with someone who brought zero players through the ranks at Liverpool which is what we need to do because we don't have said 100m to invest/spend/waste
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Post by: Ger Regan on May 25, 2012, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:43:23 AM
Spanish Waiter now second favourite - clealry after recent ex Liverpool managerial appointments/reappointments that is a terrible thought.
I didn't know Randy had another £100m to pee up the wall.
How exactly do unrelated managerial appointments point to a disaster if we appointed him?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 09:51:51 AM
Still think Poyet is decent value.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 25, 2012, 09:55:13 AM
Was it not stated that at one point 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' had over 60 professional players on their books - so many in fact that FSW did not even know the names of some of them

The workshy FC fans love him so let him go back there
He was an abject failure at Inter and the Europen cup was with GH's team
His mental breakdown vis Fergie scum was amusing but also showed me that he is a paranoid dilusional who is overconfident in his own ability

cant stand the knob to be honest

If we get AVB then we will at least sell one more ST as my missu thinks he is gorgeous  ???

Young / vibrant / point to prove / winner (although not with Chelsea mafia) and i think he would love the fact of coaching so many young players

My colours are nailed to the mast  I WANT AVB - randy make it so
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Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 24, 2012, 08:14:46 PM

Have you put a bet on Lambert?  What odds did you get?
I never bet on things I would like to come to fruition!
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 25, 2012, 09:55:59 AM
I dont think rafa would be all that bad the reason being that at LFC there was massive pressure to win the league hence why he needed the money to buy players that could help him do that. Tactically he seems like a good manager.

My only concern if he comes to us is the lack of game time our youth players will get but then saying that, one of the clauses in him becoming manager will be that he has to develop and use the youth.

Personally, i think he would have less pressure at villa than at lfc as we know that for the next couple of seasons we want to be entertained on the pitch and aim for top 10 finishes with hopefully a cup.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on May 25, 2012, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:43:23 AM
Spanish Waiter now second favourite - clealry after recent ex Liverpool managerial appointments/reappointments that is a terrible thought.
I didn't know Randy had another £100m to pee up the wall.
How exactly do unrelated managerial appointments point to a disaster if we appointed him?

Well in part it part his record at signing the mid range players (5m-6m) and we won;t be signing anyone more expensive,  the fact his most recent achievement was to destroy Mourinho's legacy at Inter Milan in record quick time.
And at 52 he does not exactly fit the 'young' category which the board stated as a requirement and yes a good tactician but vibrant he isn't - the style of football at Liverpool was in part effective but not attractive.

It's another car crash in my book.
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Post by: UK Redsox on May 25, 2012, 10:01:28 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 09:46:08 AM
I don't know why but I reckon it's going to be someone from Europe that we never suspected.

Some inquisitive Spaniard ?
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Post by: Ger Regan on May 25, 2012, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 09:58:02 AM
Well in part it part his record at signing the mid range players (5m-6m) and we won;t be signing anyone more expensive,  the fact his most recent achievement was to destroy Mourinho's legacy at Inter Milan in record quick time.
And at 52 he does not exactly fit the 'young' category which the board stated as a requirement and yes a good tactician but vibrant he isn't - the style of football at Liverpool was in part effective but not attractive.

It's another car crash in my book.
All valid things to take into consideration when discussing his abilities, but they've got nothing to do with what I responded to originally.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 25, 2012, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 09:51:51 AM
Still think Poyet is decent value.
Put a tenner on him yesterday at 8/1, I've also had another tenner on RDM last week at 25/1 plus a fiver on Lambert at 4/1.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Wilkins confirms West Brom talks
Ian CruiseTODAY AT 09:35
Ray Wilkins has held talks with West Brom about their vacant managerial position.

The Baggies are searching for a new boss after Roy Hodgson quit the Hawthorns to take charge of England and have been linked with the likes of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton and former Chelsea chief Claudio Ranieri.

But former QPR and Fulham manager Wilkins is also in the frame and he confirmed to talkSPORT he has held initial discussions with the Midlands club and is interested in the job.

Wilkins has been working in the media since his controversial sacking as Carlo Ancelotti’s number two at Chelsea in December 2010, but he is keen to get back into the game.

Albion, however, could face competition for his services, with Aston Villa also reportedly keen to speak to him about succeeding Alex McLeish.
 
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2012, 10:14:43 AM
does Benitez really fit the 'young and vibrant' bill ?

 he doesnt seem vibrant to me, or young for that matter, he might be in his early 50's but he looks 10 years older,
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Wilkins confirms West Brom talks
Ian CruiseTODAY AT 09:35
Ray Wilkins has held talks with West Brom about their vacant managerial position.

The Baggies are searching for a new boss after Roy Hodgson quit the Hawthorns to take charge of England and have been linked with the likes of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton and former Chelsea chief Claudio Ranieri.

But former QPR and Fulham manager Wilkins is also in the frame and he confirmed to talkSPORT he has held initial discussions with the Midlands club and is interested in the job.

Wilkins has been working in the media since his controversial sacking as Carlo Ancelotti’s number two at Chelsea in December 2010, but he is keen to get back into the game.

Albion, however, could face competition for his services, with Aston Villa also reportedly keen to speak to him about succeeding Alex McLeish.
 



if e get Wilkins i will definitely throw myself in the river
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2012, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Wilkins confirms West Brom talks
Ian CruiseTODAY AT 09:35
Ray Wilkins has held talks with West Brom about their vacant managerial position.

The Baggies are searching for a new boss after Roy Hodgson quit the Hawthorns to take charge of England and have been linked with the likes of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton and former Chelsea chief Claudio Ranieri.

But former QPR and Fulham manager Wilkins is also in the frame and he confirmed to talkSPORT he has held initial discussions with the Midlands club and is interested in the job.

Wilkins has been working in the media since his controversial sacking as Carlo Ancelotti’s number two at Chelsea in December 2010, but he is keen to get back into the game.



Albion, however, could face competition for his services, with Aston Villa also reportedly keen to speak to him about succeeding Alex McLeish.
 

I do not believe all the super smashing at this moment in time hype about  Butch Wilkins   :-\
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Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2012, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
Wilkins confirms West Brom talks
Ian CruiseTODAY AT 09:35
Ray Wilkins has held talks with West Brom about their vacant managerial position.

The Baggies are searching for a new boss after Roy Hodgson quit the Hawthorns to take charge of England and have been linked with the likes of Birmingham boss Chris Hughton and former Chelsea chief Claudio Ranieri.

But former QPR and Fulham manager Wilkins is also in the frame and he confirmed to talkSPORT he has held initial discussions with the Midlands club and is interested in the job.

Wilkins has been working in the media since his controversial sacking as Carlo Ancelotti’s number two at Chelsea in December 2010, but he is keen to get back into the game.

Albion, however, could face competition for his services, with Aston Villa also reportedly keen to speak to him about succeeding Alex McLeish.
 
No thanks.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
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Quote from: john e on May 25, 2012, 10:14:43 AM
does Benitez really fit the 'young and vibrant' bill ?

 he doesnt seem vibrant to me, or young for that matter, he might be in his early 50's but he looks 10 years older,

he adds fat spanish and waiter to his bill
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 10:19:55 AM
Wouldn't want Wilkins, too much like Uncle Fester for my liking.
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Post by: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
Nobody knows what's going on. Personally I'd rather just know for sure one way or another. All this speculation raises hopes unrealisticaly.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
Nobody knows what's going on. Personally I'd rather just know for sure one way or another. All this speculation raises hopes unrealisticaly.

I'm not convinced a lot of this speculation is raising hopes.
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Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 25, 2012, 08:57:39 AM
The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that this next appointment is going to be a bit of a departure to what we're expecting.

Well, it's not like Houliier and Mcleish weren't.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 25, 2012, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 10:21:18 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 10:20:19 AM
Nobody knows what's going on. Personally I'd rather just know for sure one way or another. All this speculation raises hopes unrealisticaly.

I'm not convinced a lot of this speculation is raising hopes.

It's pre-empting the raising hopes by dashing them.
I like being in a state of perpetual disappointment.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 10:24:16 AM
I don't want Rafa - Can't stand the FSW...
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Wilkins is fine as number 2 not as manager outright.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 10:30:35 AM
Right Randy one of these will do - AVB, Schuster, Ragnick, Martinez, Lambert, Benitez or a successful young European manager. There you go nice and easy, now just go and hire one.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 25, 2012, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Wilkins is fine as number 2 not as manager outright.

totally agree with u on that. 
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 10:44:35 AM
I also agree with Wilkins as a number 2 or a coach, Chelsea went downhill when he left imo
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 10:46:00 AM
Yep - Wilkins as coach/assistant to a foreign manager would work for me.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
I see Whelan is spouting again this morning, reckons that RM will snub Liverpoo to stay at Wigan. Meanwhile, Brucey is in line for the Hull job but is holding off in case the Wigan one becomes vacant! Well, I guess that's his level! Wilkins? Hardly 'young and hungry' is he? Baggies also strongly linked to Hughton and Ranieri, it seems that everyone is casting their nets this time doesn't it?

Meanwhile our board are 'relaxed'. Good news, that means that by the time they get around to appointing someone all the Bosman frees worth having will have been signed up elsewhere and they'll have to spend!

The danger with waiting for Liverpoo is not that they get the man we want, but rather the man that we want gets pissed at us for waiting and goes elsewhere! I don't think that we should be afraid to go 'head to head' with Liverpoo for a manager anyway, overall I think we're a better option right now for the 'young and hungry' type!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 10:50:47 AM
Martinez would benefit from going Wigan>Villa>Liverpool, rather than going straight to Liverpool. But, I want what's best for AVFC, not them bin dipping bastards, but if it means him bringing a few years of relative sucess before fucking off then so be it...
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 11:00:15 AM
I think Martinez would actually be better staying at Wigan and getting a top half finish with them next season if he believes that he's good enough, then he'd have more than us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to pick from I think. At the moment he's riding on the back of his last nine games while everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten the years of dross that preceded them.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 11:00:50 AM
Liverpool are no great shakes these days, so I want a manager that will at least bring us to their present level so that going from us to them would be a sideways step at best.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2012, 11:16:28 AM
Apologies if it has already been mentioned, but today's Evening Mail is reporting that Villa are ready to make an offer to Martinez that would make him the highest paid manager in the club's history.  No mention on how much he will get to spend on players just that he will be personally offered a big wage.  Also hints that he will be given control over how the club is run in a way that he wouldn't be at Liverpool. 

Could be speculation, but sounds like he is the one they will go after should he decide not to take the job at Liverpool.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 25, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
I need a second source on this Beaver Hat rumour. @edwardlear 's limericks are shit.

There was an old man with a beard
Who had an enormous long beard
He had a big beard
A great big beard
That hilarious old man with the beard 
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 25, 2012, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
I need a second source on this Beaver Hat rumour. @edwardlear 's limericks are shit.

There was an old man with a beard
Who had an enormous long beard
He had a big beard
A great big beard
That hilarious old man with the beard 

I've just stuck £20 on Glenn Hoddle.

Really pissed off he was, I used superglue.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2012, 11:31:21 AM
There was a great club with no team

impossible to manage it would seem

They hired a clown

almost  took them down

and now it is on to  3   
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Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
Rafa Benitez for me.  A proven winner and a better option than anyone in the poll imo.  In fact, any chance he could be added?  I'd be keen to see what people think of him as a potential candidate.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 11:41:22 AM
I've just been looking at the OS squad lists, but particularly looking at the coaching staff. Can anyone confirm or otherwise how accurate it is?

If it's about right, I'd say the new guy could be given a good hand at restructuring this and bringing in his own people. It seems that we have more medics and masseurs than coaches, and no GK coaches at all!
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Post by: Merv on May 25, 2012, 11:47:42 AM
Breaking news today that Jose Sandoval's contract is not being renewed at Rayo Vallecano, so he's leaving his position there. Could be an interesting option.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 25, 2012, 11:49:31 AM
Better off sticking £20 on Michaelangelo in 3.45 at Goodwood. My money is on Lambert now.
Whelan saying Martinez may turn down scousers and stay..or what?
Lambert is too quiet and I'll stick with him.
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Post by: King of the Nørth on May 25, 2012, 11:52:22 AM

 Cant see Rafa being interested in us now tbh. Probably was last year when we had Young, Downing & Bent andpossibly thought we had loads to spend after spending £18-24m on a striker. But not now.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 25, 2012, 11:47:42 AM
Breaking news today that Jose Sandoval's contract is not being renewed at Rayo Vallecano, so he's leaving his position there. Could be an interesting option.

Here's Jessie Sandals' data:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jose-ramon-sandoval/leistung-saison/trainer_14387.html
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Post by: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
So yesterday Mat Kendrick tweeted we have have made no contact with Martinez, yet today he writes a report stating we're prepared to make him the highest paid manager in our history.

Make your mind up Mat.

If the latter is correct , Randy best remember to stick a sub-40point release clause in the contract, I think we'll need it.
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Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 12:11:52 PM
I actually think Martinez could be good, but only if he is given the backing to overhaul the squad. We need to get rid of the bad apples and bring in a lot of fresh faces. He set up the legacy for Swansea, which is bearing fruit now. I think if he is given proper backing he could be a success at Villa and get us playing good stuff.
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Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
I need a second source on this Beaver Hat rumour. @edwardlear 's limericks are shit.

There was an old man with a beard
Who had an enormous long beard
He had a big beard
A great big beard
That hilarious old man with the beard 

Lovely Stuff.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.

Because he's not 'young and vibrant' I would imagine.
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Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
If the latter is correct , Randy best remember to stick a sub-40point release clause in the contract, I think we'll need it.

This should be a clause in every manager's contract.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2012, 12:24:28 PM
nobody has a clue about who will take over ast the mo and that includes the twins I've been calling for calm but fuck it. We need someone in asap to start making strategic decisions on the squad we have and identifying and recruiting new players. As long as its not any of the old guard  don't give shiney shite from Lambert Martinez or Poyet.
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Post by: Karl Bridges on May 25, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 12:02:03 PM
So yesterday Mat Kendrick tweeted we have have made no contact with Martinez, yet today he writes a report stating we're prepared to make him the highest paid manager in our history.

Make your mind up Mat.

I think it's fairly obvious that there is no conflict between those two stories. We haven't contacted him yet but when we do we'll go in hard.
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Post by: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 25, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.

Because he's not 'young and vibrant' I would imagine.

Now 3/1 favourite on betfair
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Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: James on May 25, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.

Because he's not 'young and vibrant' I would imagine.

The thread title asks the question who do us fans want as the next manager.  I didn't realise that being "young and vibrant" was a prerequisite for us fans voting on who we would like to get the job.
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Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 25, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.

Because he's not 'young and vibrant' I would imagine.

Now 3/1 favourite on betfair

Really?  But not in the poll. 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 12:46:24 PM
Following on from my earlier post, I think it's really important that whoever the manager is they are given a proper chance by the club. What I mean is that they can't be shackled by, 'you can only choose one staff member to add', 'you can only have a couple of players' etc. They have to be able to pick their own staff, regardless of the reprecussions for those who are at the club presently. They also have to be able to bring in several players and ship out(if possible) those they don't want. It can't be a half measure approach this time.
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Post by: Steve kirk on May 25, 2012, 12:53:13 PM
100% agree we have to let the next manager have time to bulid, even if we flirt with relegation again next season we have to stick with whoever it may be and trust them to overhaul and improve the club in the years to come. 
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 25, 2012, 12:57:08 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 25, 2012, 12:41:25 PM
Quote from: James on May 25, 2012, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Out of interest, why is Benitez not even an option in the poll?  He is a proven Premier League manager that we have been linked with before.  It seems odd that he is not even being considered on this thread, especially given some of the other names listed.

Because he's not 'young and vibrant' I would imagine.

Now 3/1 favourite on betfair

Really?  But not in the poll.

Mick McCarthy was 2-1 at one stage - want him added to?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 12:57:11 PM
You can vote other and specify Rafa if you wish, but changing the poll again is pointless, it was created from the top 10 with the bookies on the day (2 days back) and is reflective of the type we are being linked with.
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Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 12:57:11 PM
You can vote other and specify Rafa if you wish, but changing the poll again is pointless, it was created from the top 10 with the bookies on the day (2 days back) and is reflective of the type we are being linked with.

Fair enough, but I think Rafa is a more likely candidate than some of the names in that top 10 list you mention.  I think he may be an option, I may well be wrong, either way I hope to God Simon Grayson doesn't get it.
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Post by: Steve R on May 25, 2012, 01:00:52 PM
I don't get all this rampant ageism. And why does the next manager have to be malnourished?

For all we know 'balding and wobbly' could soon be the new 'young, hungry and vibrant'.

For me there are only two criteria that should rule anyone out of the running

a) is he a twat?
b) does he intend to pick any of  Hutton, Collins, Dunne and Warnock?
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 25, 2012, 01:01:38 PM
Please no to Martinez
Relegation fodder
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
Have I missed something? Why is Benitez suddenly the favourite?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 25, 2012, 01:05:49 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
Have I missed something? Why is Benitez suddenly the favourite?

Because more people have put money on him than they have anyone else today.  The bookies odds are purely driven by where the money is being placed at the time.  It means very little usually.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
Have I missed something? Why is Benitez suddenly the favourite?

Because someone put a bet on, his odds fell a bit, and then others bet too, so they fell a bit more, and now seeing that lots have bet in case the fall means something, and thus have driven him into favourite, based on SFA. On BetFair since Ole pulled out only about 20k had been bet in 2 days, so I doubt it is going to take a lot to move someone from 100-1 down to 10-1 inside an hour.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 25, 2012, 01:10:20 PM
Maybe people betting care as much about the next manager as much as they care about our team

have we become an irrelevance to the rest of the world  :'(
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:13:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
Have I missed something? Why is Benitez suddenly the favourite?

Because someone put a bet on, his odds fell a bit, and then others bet too, so they fell a bit more, and now seeing that lots have bet in case the fall means something, and thus have driven him into favourite, based on SFA. On BetFair since Ole pulled out only about 20k had been bet in 2 days, so I doubt it is going to take a lot to move someone from 100-1 down to 10-1 inside an hour.

Well yeh I understand that, it just seems a bit strange that someone would go from not being in the top 10, to being favourite within a day. I suppose the bookies have literally no idea who we're going to appoint.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 25, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
Martinez would be crazy to go to Pool,only top four would satisfy their deluded supporters, we on the other hand would give him plenty of time to settle in, at least til xmas anyway.
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Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2012, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: John M on May 25, 2012, 10:46:00 AM
Yep - Wilkins as coach/assistant to a foreign manager would work for me.

Wilkins as coach/assistance to a foreign club would work for me!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
What a difference a week makes, all that positivity has been eroded now and it's replaced by speculation and horror for the most part.
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Post by: Tony on May 25, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 01:13:36 PM

Well yeh I understand that, it just seems a bit strange that someone would go from not being in the top 10, to being favourite within a day. I suppose the bookies have literally no idea who we're going to appoint.

Next manager betting isn't that popular, so swings in who is the favourite will be quite extreme. The bookies will follow the money and trends, that's all they are interested in.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
We'll make our move after Liverpool realise that he's not what they want...
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Post by: UTV-SOTC on May 25, 2012, 01:54:02 PM
1st time poster on here - But we have to make a move for Lambert IMO . Cant see why Randy hasnt made the phone call yet!! ... hopefully this weekend he will :).
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 01:56:09 PM
We don't know he hasn't made the phone call
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Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2012, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 25, 2012, 01:01:38 PM
Please no to Martinez
Relegation fodder

... And that's his anti-Martinez statement for today.  And no more people agree or disagree with him than yesterday.  Stand by for tomorrow's, same time, same place...
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 25, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
What's Lawrie Sanchez up to these days?
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Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2012, 02:09:11 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 25, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
What's Lawrie Sanchez up to these days?

He wouldn't get any back chat from Dunne & Collins.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 25, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
What's Lawrie Sanchez up to these days?
Fuck all. He's shit.
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Post by: maigrait on May 25, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Gus for me...
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 02:23:13 PM
I think we've spoken to, or at least sounded out, Martinez.  If we want to check all available options carefully then we can't blame him for doing the same, hence speaking to Liverpool.  I think if he doesn't go there, whether it be because he doesn't fancy it or they don't fancy him, he'll be our new boss.  If he does go to them, I think we'll get Poyet. 
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Post by: Irish villain on May 25, 2012, 02:30:15 PM
Drip, drip, drip.

Got we're an impatient lot. And I include myself among the worst offenders.
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?
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Post by: WA Villan on May 25, 2012, 02:35:47 PM
I truly believe this is the moment in time for Randy to redeem himself. The next appointment he makes will give us an insight to the way our owner is thinking. If Mick McCarthy emerges from the tunnel or hope is lost. If Gus, Roberto or even Karl Robinson walks out then there is indeed a glimmer of light.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 25, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?

He's been over then flew home but he forgot his sandwiches so he's on the way back again.
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 25, 2012, 02:43:34 PM
Is it true that Pep wants to come to us?  He thinks he can turn our youngsters into the next Barca? 

"Villa are awaiting Liverpool before making a call" is what I read earlier on here, so if Liverpool are waiting on Villa to make a move, we could be here for weeks
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 25, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?

What's your source telling you?
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Post by: PGW on May 25, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Getting bored with all this speculation so i'm disappearing to Turkey in a few hours.....do you need me to sound anyone out whilst over there!!!!
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 25, 2012, 02:50:24 PM
Is it Sky Source News thats your reference?
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Post by: MoetVillan on May 25, 2012, 02:51:55 PM
Im over in Chicago next week, is there anyone I need to sound out, we can do some of the work for RL for only a small charge, say a one off of Beyes weekly wage
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Post by: The Situation on May 25, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?
Randy went home last week.
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Post by: PGW on May 25, 2012, 02:55:25 PM
What half each!!!
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 25, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?

What's your source telling you?

Zzzzz
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 25, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?
Randy went home last week.

Yes he went home last friday and flew back to birmingham 3 days ago.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: maigrait on May 25, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Gus for me...

Me too.

Shame I can't change my vote above.
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Post by: Jimbo on May 25, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 25, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?

What's your source telling you?

Zzzzz

Eastie's source has narcolepsy. He'll be awake again shortly.
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 03:12:15 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 25, 2012, 03:06:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 25, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?
Edit!
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 03:14:29 PM
Sounds like Martinez has been offered the job as head coach but will have DOF above him He's going to have further talks Tuesday

That's Liverpool not us

Source- Big mouth Whelan

Whelan gave the impression Martinez would want full control
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Post by: WA Villan on May 25, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
Would have liked to see what Chris Hughton would have done with the Villa pre McLeish. Have to admit we let our snobbery get in the way of appointing a good manager. As much as I believe we are a big club, in other peoples eyes we are not. We let that thinking cloud our judgement when going for a new manager. Other teams are picking up your Lamberts, Rodgers etc and getting on with it. It's about time we got back to the basic's in a Ron Saunders kind of way and regained that spirit that made it so exciting supporting Aston Villa.
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Post by: The Situation on May 25, 2012, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 25, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 02:31:21 PM
Just finished shift- any new developments today, is randy still over here or has he gone home?
Randy went home last week.

Yes he went home last friday and flew back to birmingham 3 days ago.
Didn't know he came back. My mistake.
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Post by: pedro25 on May 25, 2012, 03:24:50 PM
If Chelsea dont want Di Matteo I think we should go for him, still lives in Leamington with his family so that could help.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 25, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 25, 2012, 03:24:50 PM
If Chelsea dont want Di Matteo I think we should go for him, still lives in Leamington with his family so that could help.

Do we have to ask his parents for permission to talk to him?
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Di Matteo is a big NO from me, Albion reject, I watched the champions league final, I f I had to sit through that week in week out I'd want Mcshit back
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Post by: holte hero on May 25, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
As previous posters have mentioned its gone very quiet from the lambert camp
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Post by: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 03:38:24 PM
Whelan on the Beeb news now talking about Martinez' offer from the dippers.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
Whelan talks too much. Twat.
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Post by: mortimer1982 on May 25, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Di Matteo is a big NO from me, Albion reject, I watched the champions league final, I f I had to sit through that week in week out I'd want Mcshit back

If I had to sit through us winning the European Cup week in week out I'd know I was either dreaming or in a timely back to 1982. 
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 03:41:22 PM
If Martinez does go to Scouseville, then that would mean AVB only had us as realistic employers if he wants to stay in the Premier League.........
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:44:59 PM
I know he won but the tactics were appauling, Im pretty sure Di Matteo is a forefront for the player power at Chelsea.

Give him another job im sure he'd fluff it, Albion fans were happy when he left
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Post by: adrenachrome on May 25, 2012, 03:51:19 PM
Rafa showing as favourite on Oddschecker with Paddy Power only giving 2/1 against.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 03:54:46 PM
Didn't Mick McCarthy get to being favourite for no good reason as well last week?
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Post by: pedro25 on May 25, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: mortimer1982 on May 25, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Di Matteo is a big NO from me, Albion reject, I watched the champions league final, I f I had to sit through that week in week out I'd want Mcshit back

If I had to sit through us winning the European Cup week in week out I'd know I was either dreaming or in a timely back to 1982. 

Quite, I can't belive so many people want to see us play sexy football rather than get back to winning ways, which to me is far more important, if the football is good that's just a bonus.
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Post by: David_Nab on May 25, 2012, 03:57:09 PM
I don't need us to play sexy football but actually being able to pass to one another would be a start
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Post by: Concrete John on May 25, 2012, 03:57:41 PM
I agree that winning is more important than style, but I'm not sure we'd get either with RDM.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Whoever it is needs a good transfer budget, there's a fair bit of shit that we need to replace.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
The odd thing is that he has not drifted back out. The non contenders usually drift..
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 25, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Whoever it is needs a good transfer budget, there's a fair bit of shit that we need to replace.

Fair bit? -Understatement of the season!
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Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 25, 2012, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.

Agreed.

A target man and a Left Back should be top priorities (assuming Jean Makoun is going to reappear).
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 25, 2012, 03:59:31 PM
Whoever it is needs a good transfer budget, there's a fair bit of shit that we need to replace.

Fair bit? -Understatement of the season!

I was being generous to be fair.
You could count on the fingers of a Blues supporters hand who you would want to keep.

Given, Gabby, Herd, Ireland, Bent, Weimann, Makoun, Clark, Baker, N'Zogbia, Gardner

The rest can fuck off, as far as i'm concerned.
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Post by: glasses on May 25, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.
I'd say the midfield is the worst it has been for a very long time. The defence is better, but not much
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:44:59 PM
I know he won but the tactics were appauling, Im pretty sure Di Matteo is a forefront for the player power at Chelsea.

Give him another job im sure he'd fluff it, Albion fans were happy when he left

Just out of interest, what tactics would you have employed taking an understrength team to a Champions League final against one of the best teams in Europe on their own patch?  I agree that Chelsea were a little negative on the night, but it was hardly surprising given the circumstances.

I think you might have point about the player power though.  Judging by his actions after he came off against Napoli, John Terry looked like he had some kind of Assistant Manager role under Di Matteo. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 25, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.
I'd say the midfield is the worst it has been for a very long time. The defence is better, but not much
For me, the whole back 4 can go
Warnock, Collins, Dunne and Hutton.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2012, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 25, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.
I'd say the midfield is the worst it has been for a very long time. The defence is better, but not much

Agree glasses.  We were extremely weak in the middle of midfield last season.  If Makoun comes back and performs then that will be a massive help, but if not then I think we need at least two new players in there.
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Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 25, 2012, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 25, 2012, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: mortimer1982 on May 25, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Di Matteo is a big NO from me, Albion reject, I watched the champions league final, I f I had to sit through that week in week out I'd want Mcshit back

If I had to sit through us winning the European Cup week in week out I'd know I was either dreaming or in a timely back to 1982. 

Quite, I can't belive so many people want to see us play sexy football rather than get back to winning ways, which to me is far more important, if the football is good that's just a bonus.

With our budget, the amount we could possibly achieve is top half/pushing for a European place.  I'd rather see us  finish 10th and provide entertainment than finish 8th and bore the fuck out of me every week (more often than not though good football and results go together).
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 25, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
I'd keep
Given, Gabby, Herd, Ireland, Bent, Weimann, Makoun, Clark, Baker, N'Zogbia, Gardner

Fuck the rest off (including the not good enough Bannan and Albrighton)

Promote about 3 or 4 from the kids fully into the squad (Carruthers etc)

That would mean signing about 7 players, 1 of which we've already got (Hey there lonely girl Holman)

Therefore 6 signings required.

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Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2012, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 25, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
I'd keep
Given, Gabby, Herd, Ireland, Bent, Weimann, Makoun, Clark, Baker, N'Zogbia, Gardner

Fuck the rest off (including the not good enough Bannan and Albrighton)

Promote about 3 or 4 from the kids fully into the squad (Carruthers etc)

That would mean signing about 7 players, 1 of which we've already got (Hey there lonely girl Holman)

Therefore 6 signings required.

Major stumbling block I can see is the wages some of them are on at Villa.  They are not going to want to move for significantly less money (especially as a few of them only have one year left on their contracts) and clubs are not going to want and in a lot of cases be able to match the wages they are on here. 
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Post by: King of the Nørth on May 25, 2012, 04:42:39 PM
 So No OGS, Lambert hasnt been approached, Martinez has been made an offer by Pool and while Rafa has been contacted do people seriously think he'd be appointed? No news from any ITK's out there. Hmm I was hoping we would have someone LATEST by this time next week. They tell us the search is going well but who on Earth could it be ? Could it really be someone we havent even thought of as yet? Soooo tempted to stick a tenner on  a Koeman, Rijkard or Laudrup on 200/300 to 1 going by the previous appointments.
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Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 25, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
My moneys on Poyet, I have no basis for this I just think it will be him

Rather it be Lambert though, my 1st choice from the start
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Post by: WA Villan on May 25, 2012, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: glasses on May 25, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.
You say the defence are fine, but needs looking at? For me the whole team needs looking out. The defence are pissheads and troublemakers. The midfield don't exist and the frontline (strikers) don't strike.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 05:01:20 PM
If I had to bet on it, I would go Lambert
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Post by: Merv on May 25, 2012, 05:04:07 PM
Been very quiet this week, still no real idea who are speaking to other than the approach for OGS. Seemed to have been some strong indications that something would happen with Lambert by the end of the week, but nothing.

Let's see what next week brings!
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Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
might have something to do with release clauses in contracts.? For some reason June 1st always sticks in my mind as being significant in football orientated contracts although this maybe total shite. If not it would/could imply the person we are after is employed. Speaking out loud really, heat's got to me. i also thinkit might be Gus with someone like Wilkins alongside
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Post by: sonlyme on May 25, 2012, 05:27:01 PM
Quote from: James on May 25, 2012, 11:00:15 AM
I think Martinez would actually be better staying at Wigan and getting a top half finish with them next season if he believes that he's good enough, then he'd have more than us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to pick from I think. At the moment he's riding on the back of his last nine games while everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten the years of dross that preceded them.

So given the immutable law of the Villa Board -  when something seems certain and good - it cannot happen.  When it seems outlandish, perverse, and bad - it can.  I have no doubt that within minutes of bothering to write this up - Mr Martinez will declare his retirement from football or some-such other knock back.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01470/Roberto-Martinez_1470083c.jpg)

Everyone has an opinion - so what - I just wish we had a bit more informed opinion.

Roberto Martinez has indeed struggled at Wigan.  But then again - who wouldn't?  Wigan underwent their own MON moment at the hands of Mr Steve Bruce.  Dave 'Silent as the Grave' Whelan pulled his horns in - and Martinez had to work on a budget - a tight budget.  Every season his best players were sold - and yet they still maintained their premier league status.

The Swansea revolution was started by Martinez - a quick look at their forums reveals just how much he meant to them - half of them hate him for leaving - the other half still love him for changing everything about the football they play.

I found this fine piece of writing on the Swansea revolution - it's worth a read and it analyses Brendan Rodgers too.

http://www.haugstadfootball.net/?p=425 (http://www.haugstadfootball.net/?p=425)

And the Swans boards reveal a lot about him too.

Quote
He set us on the way to where we are today, it was him that introduced the free flowing football that we are associated with now. The reason he is disliked by some is that, in all honesty nobody wanted him to leave and no one thought he would, as a result people vented their frustration by chastising him. In hindsight it was a blessing for us because we were able to move on under Brendan Rodgers and to a lesser degree Sousa, but it was Roberto that set the system in motion
.[/i]

Source: http://www.swansea.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13964&start=1&highlight=Martinez&highlightmode=1 (http://www.swansea.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13964&start=1&highlight=Martinez&highlightmode=1)

And most tellingly - Ian Holloway - that favourite of so many here - on seeing his team soundly trounced described Martinez thus : "...as smooth as a cashmere codpiece" - nuff said.

I see a lot of chat about odds and bets here.  For the uninitiated - odds have no bearing on reality - or indeed what may or may not happen.  They are simply a reflection of how people are betting.  Hence the Mick McCarthy ruse - where 30 - 40 bluenoses each put a pound on big Mick - and succeed in giving the naive a sleepless night or two.  The market for next Villa manager is tiny in betting terms - even small amounts can cause the market to swing wildly.

Should anyone fancy a real bet - should Martinez leave Wigan this summer - stick a ton on them going down - and do it quick - for that is as close to a sure thing as you will ever hear.

UTV
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.

Midfield and defence are mostly fine?
Midfield is very poor and create very few chances , defence apart from given, the back four all need to go, gabby has gone over 20 games scoreless   - we need major changes in the squad.

How anyone can say the defence and midfield are mostly fine after we just about stayed up is astounding.
Come on clampy , take those blinkers off!
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 25, 2012, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Di Matteo is a big NO from me, Albion reject, I watched the champions league final, I f I had to sit through that week in week out I'd want Mcshit back
You've never watched our European Cup Final against Bayern then?
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Post by: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Heard a whisper Villa are going to talk to Hoddle (dont know how true so dont all shout)
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Post by: Seb_AVFC on May 25, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
Might be interesting to know that Anderlecht have confirmed they received a CV from AVB. It is believed he would ask 3m euros a year and has sent his CV to 'a couple' of European teams in order to find a club asap. Anyway, they confirmed he's out of their financial means.
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Heard a whisper Villa are going to talk to Hoddle (dont know how true so dont all shout)


Hoddle and wilkins would be interesting, glenn has his knockers but we would see decent football, maybe prefer hoddle as dof and poyet as coach.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 25, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Heard a whisper Villa are going to talk to Hoddle (dont know how true so dont all shout)


Hoddle and wilkins would be interesting, glenn has his knockers but we would see decent football, maybe prefer hoddle as dof and poyet as coach.
But are Hoddles knockers as big as Melinda Messengers? If not he can fuck off.
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Post by: maidstonevillain on May 25, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 25, 2012, 04:33:51 PM
I'd keep
Given, Gabby, Herd, Ireland, Bent, Weimann, Makoun, Clark, Baker, N'Zogbia, Gardner

Fuck the rest off (including the not good enough Bannan and Albrighton)

Promote about 3 or 4 from the kids fully into the squad (Carruthers etc)

That would mean signing about 7 players, 1 of which we've already got (Hey there lonely girl Holman)

Therefore 6 signings required.



I would say that is a pretty spot on summing up. I would however be termpted to keep one of Collins or Dunne for continuity and to save having to find 2/3 decent central defenders in one go.
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Post by: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 25, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:38:39 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Heard a whisper Villa are going to talk to Hoddle (dont know how true so dont all shout)


Hoddle and wilkins would be interesting, glenn has his knockers but we would see decent football, maybe prefer hoddle as dof and poyet as coach.
But are Hoddles knockers as big as Melinda Messengers? If not he can fuck off.
he has a fine set of Moobs apparently?
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 25, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
the other clubs doing there business will be discreet and we will be left with what shites left,  Kevin keegan was at the belfrey earlier today hope he was only playing golf
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:59:10 PM
Mirror are reporting ranieri in talks today at west brom!
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Post by: wookster on May 25, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
Maybe they're waiting till after the play-off finals  :-\
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: wookster on May 25, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
Maybe they're waiting till after the play-off finals  :-\

Thats the worry, i dread grayson being appointed on monday.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 06:04:56 PM
Quote from: Belgian Villain on May 25, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
Might be interesting to know that Anderlecht have confirmed they received a CV from AVB. It is believed he would ask 3m euros a year and has sent his CV to 'a couple' of European teams in order to find a club asap. Anyway, they confirmed he's out of their financial means.

But within ours. Would not shock me at all, he fits the bill perfectly for the description. Just if we can convince him.
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Post by: The Left Side on May 25, 2012, 06:05:03 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:59:10 PM
Mirror are reporting ranieri in talks today at west brom!

Wilkins has been mentioned as his assistant coach too
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 06:06:47 PM
As interesting as twitter is for news, there are some right fucking arseholes on there!
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Post by: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
Don't forget TSM was on 2million quid a year - that's 2.5 mill euros. I'd say there was scope for negotiation if AVB wanted to sit down and have a chat about it.

Looking over that top 30 table again, it's worth reminding ourselves we pay our managers more than Milan, Inter, Dortmund and Juve. And also more than/same as the national coaches of Spain, Germany and Brazil.

Which draws the question... Why the hell should we be looking at the likes of Grayson, Poyet, McCarthy, Curbishley or dare I say OGS?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 06:28:53 PM
The reality is though that we really don't know who the board are looking at other than Solskjaer.
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Post by: Rigadon on May 25, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
Don't forget TSM was on 2million quid a year - that's 2.5 mill euros. I'd say there was scope for negotiation if AVB wanted to sit down and have a chat about it.

Looking over that top 30 table again, it's worth reminding ourselves we pay our managers more than Milan, Inter, Dortmund and Juve. And also more than/same as the national coaches of Spain, Germany and Brazil.

Which draws the question... Why the hell should we be looking at the likes of Grayson, Poyet, McCarthy, Curbishley or dare I say OGS?

Quite.
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Post by: VancouverLion on May 25, 2012, 06:32:11 PM
AVB fits the young & vibrant bill perfectly, you never know he may well bring RDM as his No2 if he walks from Chelski too. For me Wilkins would be a great appointment as anyone's assistant.
IMO Randy could convince him Villa Park is the place for him!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 06:34:35 PM
I really think we should be doing our best to get AVB.
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 06:34:42 PM
Quote from: VancouverLion on May 25, 2012, 06:32:11 PM
AVB fits the young & vibrant bill perfectly, you never know he may well bring RDM as his No2 if he walks from Chelski too. For me Wilkins would be a great appointment as anyone's assistant.
IMO Randy could convince him Villa Park is the place for him!

Agreed.


Avb would be better than solksjaer in my view, but i think its unlikely to happen, would be a real masterstroke if randy pulled him off as the new manager!
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Post by: OCD on May 25, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
I stuck a tenner on AVB at odds of 75-1 this morning. Most likely a tenner I won't see again but if he gets the job it will certainly make me vibrant.
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Post by: VancouverLion on May 25, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
A masterstroke indeed Eastie, would definitely make up for the last 2 shocking appointments thats' for sure. I hope we are at least exploring the idea, maybe we have and he's not interested, who knows!!
Would be the best appointment Randy could make IMO, give him a 5 year plan, proud history, bright future and all that.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 25, 2012, 06:50:04 PM
I'm finding it hard to keep up with this thread and the Oddschecker website. Talk of AVB now. Has something happened? A couple of hours ago I was trying to turn "Your portly and Spanish with a kind of waiter type look but at least you won the Champions League" into a workable chant.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 06:52:41 PM
Nothings happened we're all guessing like everyone, but AVB fits the profile and it looks like he has limited options. He could have a 'project' with us.
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Post by: CJ on May 25, 2012, 07:02:32 PM
I think if it was going to be AVB he'd be here already. I think Randy's waiting for the outcome of the Martinez/'The Mighty Reds YNWA' talks before doing anything else. If Martinez doesn't take the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' job I think we'll be in for him. If he does take the job, I have a horrible feeling it may be Grayson for us
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Post by: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2012, 07:04:00 PM
I wouldn't mind AVB not least I have big rewards for little outlay riding on him,

but I still wouldn't want him to take the job just because we end up being his only option, like going home with the fat bird because he couldn't pull anything better

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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june

Wouldnt surprise me but would hugely disappoint me if true, i know gardner tweeted hed seen grayson at bodymoor and coupled with mysterymans have to wait for our man it would come as no shock .
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Post by: Damo70 on May 25, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
I wish people would stop using the word 'project'. Reminds me of schooldays and ultimately a lack of success.
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Post by: gervilla on May 25, 2012, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june

How underwhelming that would be.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june

Wouldnt surprise me but would hugely disappoint me if true, i know gardner tweeted hed seen grayson at bodymoor and coupled with mysterymans have to wait for our man it would come as no shock .

I don't think at the time they were related. Grayson has not been at Huddersfield long, and I can't see us going for him. He would be a huge let down to the fans, which the board can't afford.

MM was referring to OGS I am sure, who would have been end of next week if he had come.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june
So the Baggies get Ranieri and Wilkins and we get Simon bleeding Grayson. He's hardly bloody vibrant either
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june

Wouldnt surprise me but would hugely disappoint me if true, i know gardner tweeted hed seen grayson at bodymoor and coupled with mysterymans have to wait for our man it would come as no shock .

I don't think at the time they were related. Grayson has not been at Huddersfield long, and I can't see us going for him. He would be a huge let down to the fans, which the board can't afford.

MM was referring to OGS I am sure, who would have been end of next week if he had come.

Lets hope so ozz as i dont find grayson exciting, vibrant or inspiring.
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Post by: Moorski on May 25, 2012, 07:14:20 PM
If Simon Grayson gets the job it will be kick in the teeth to Villa Supporters and Randy will be back to square one
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:14:48 PM
If Grayson is done and dusted I take it Randys gone back then? In fact why did he fly over in the first place ??
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Post by: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:14:48 PM
If Grayson is done and dusted I take it Randys gone back then? In fact why did he fly over in the first place ??

Id be amazed if huddersfield would allow him to talk to another club in the week of the play off final at wembley.
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Post by: VancouverLion on May 25, 2012, 07:19:19 PM
Grayson, you having a laugh FFS!
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Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 25, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
Can't be Grayson. Randy must realise the importance of this decision surely. It really is make or break for him and indeed Aston Villa on the whole.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 25, 2012, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM
Heard a whisper Villa are going to talk to Hoddle (dont know how true so dont all shout)

I heard the same yesterday from somebody that works at the club.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 07:22:43 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 25, 2012, 07:02:32 PM
I think if it was going to be AVB he'd be here already. I think Randy's waiting for the outcome of the Martinez/'The Mighty Reds YNWA' talks before doing anything else. If Martinez doesn't take the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' job I think we'll be in for him. If he does take the job, I have a horrible feeling it may be Grayson for us

If we seriously wanted Martinez, Randy ought to be in there now talking to him not waiting until he's decided. One thing for sure to my mind is that we haven't spoken to RM, because that deluded twat Whelan would have let everyone know if we had! I wonder if 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are happy about their offer being made public knowledge, and I wonder if RM himself is! And I wonder who will Whelan will try to get in if RM does leave?

If AVB is touting himself to Anderlecht it seems to me that he's looking at a project that will be under less intense scrutiny from the media than any in England would be, but then we don't know that Randy hasn't also received a CV from AVB do we?
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Post by: Summers on May 25, 2012, 07:24:12 PM
He was shit at Wolves 6 years ago, I don't want Hoddle.

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Post by: gervilla on May 25, 2012, 07:25:24 PM
I'd be amazed if Randy goes for someone who doesn't have at least some bit of a "wow factor".
He ballsed up with the last two appointments and has seen the effect it has had on the performances on the pitch, the dwindling attendances and the morale of the supporters.

He has to get this one right or all the above factors will only worsen and we'll finally succumb to the relegation that we narrowly avoided this season.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 25, 2012, 07:27:52 PM
Incredible!

Within minutes of creating a post about Martinez - that neighbourhood blabbermouth Dave Whelan is telling the world that Liverpool have made an offer to Martinez.  Is he the lad's agent as well?

(http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/thumb/1/11/Dawson_les.jpg/150px-Dawson_les.jpg)
Dave Whelan - course I wont tell no-one your secret!

In other news - Dave told the world that Roberto had a particularly difficult shit this morning and has been knocking the back out of his wife since he arrived.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
Grayson and Hoddle? There isn't half some complete bollocks being rumoured out there. Who's next? Phil Brown and El Tel?
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Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 25, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 25, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
Grayson and Hoddle? There isn't half some complete bollocks being rumoured out there. Who's next? Phil Brown and El Tel?

Not quite, but some deluded soul did tell me they had spotted Gordon Strachan down there the other day !
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 07:38:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june

Wouldnt surprise me but would hugely disappoint me if true, i know gardner tweeted hed seen grayson at bodymoor and coupled with mysterymans have to wait for our man it would come as no shock .

I don't think at the time they were related. Grayson has not been at Huddersfield long, and I can't see us going for him. He would be a huge let down to the fans, which the board can't afford.

MM was referring to OGS I am sure, who would have been end of next week if he had come.

Exactly he's hardly been at Huddersfield anytime. There's no way the board could fuck up like that again.
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Post by: adrenachrome on May 25, 2012, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 25, 2012, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 25, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Heard a little story all done and dusted .Simon Grayson to be announced on the ist of june
So the Baggies get Ranieri and Wilkins and we get Simon bleeding Grayson. He's hardly bloody vibrant either

On the contrary, Meg Richardson once assured me that Larry vibrates to note of F# when stimulated.
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Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 25, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Just reading through this thread, it's no wonder nobody good wants the job. You're all a bunch of whinging fuckers. Whine..."I don't want him"...whine..."he's not good enough for us"...whine..."why haven't we got Guardiola yet?"...whine...

Come on - its sunny! Enjoy the weather and enjoy the surprise of the new manager!

Mmmm...these Hobgobilns are going down a treat in the garden listening to John Peels son DJ on 6music!
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Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
Wasn't there mention in the press that the board were 'delighted' with the calibre of manager applying for the job?    So rather than them having to chase and ultimately make arses of themselves, perhaps they're calm and taking their time because they know it's already wrapped up.

If AVB has been letting sides like Anderlecht know he wants to be considered, it's not a complete leap of faith to  think that he might have contacted us too.   Or -if we're ignoring the usual suspects- perhaps Marco Van Basten.
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Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 08:10:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 25, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
I don't think a stupid amount needs to be spent, there's some bloody good footballers down there still.

I'd say the midfield and defence are mostly fine (although maybe another striker now Heskey has gone) but the defence definatley needs looking at.

Midfield and defence are mostly fine?
Midfield is very poor and create very few chances , defence apart from given, the back four all need to go, gabby has gone over 20 games scoreless   - we need major changes in the squad.

How anyone can say the defence and midfield are mostly fine after we just about stayed up is astounding.
Come on clampy , take those blinkers off!

I was typing far too fast at work earlier, i meant that the midfield and attack are mostly fine. There's not a great deal wrong with the midfield that a good manager could'nt put right, it looked terrible last season because we had a manager who's football was'nt great to watch. Obviously though we need a replacement for Stan.

The defence though needs a overhaul, the two full backs especially.

As for me taking off my blinkers Eastie, i don't wear any but it was a clever remark. Did you think of that or was it your source who apparantley rang you from across the atlantic?
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
I've decided I want Tim Lovejoy as our new manager. He's great.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 25, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The midfield??! It's been shite. Who of any of our midfielders would be considered definitely first choice for next year?
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Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
I have now backed Lambert with hard cash at Paddypower.  I was surprised that despite my money going in he still remains second favourite behind Rafa. Emile Heskey is 150/1!
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Post by: Aston Manor on May 25, 2012, 09:25:04 PM
If Simon Grayson was at Bodymoor Heath there is a possibility that it was with his Huddersfield team ahead of their game tomorrow. we let Blackpool train there before their game why not an-ex-player who wants to use top facilities before heading south?
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Post by: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 09:32:58 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 25, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Just reading through this thread, it's no wonder nobody good wants the job. You're all a bunch of whinging fuckers.


Blimey!
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 25, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
AVFCMysteryman‏@AvfcMysteryman

Paul Lambert is the only target on the table right now

From Twitter, this evening.

Vaguely disturbing image of Bond/Lambert on a table with a laser cutting up between his knees comes to mind.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2012, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 25, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
AVFCMysteryman‏@AvfcMysteryman

Paul Lambert is the only target on the table right now

From Twitter, this evening.

Vaguely disturbing image of Bond on a table with a laser cuttting up betwen his knees comes to mind.


Ah the fake mysteryman who likes attention.
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Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2012, 09:39:38 PM
MM is useless. He only tweeted after he heard about my money going on Lambert!
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Post by: OCD on May 25, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
The reason why we were told we would have to wait is because Bielsa has the Copa Del Rey final tonight. Well, it's a nice thought.
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Post by: Lizz on May 25, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
I've decided I want Tim Lovejoy as our new manager. He's great.

Supported by Dennis Wise?
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 25, 2012, 09:55:39 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 25, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
The reason why we were told we would have to wait is because Bielsa has the Copa Del Rey final tonight. Well, it's a nice thought.

It certainly is.  I'm choosing to believe you're ITK.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2012, 09:57:52 PM
I applaud Villa for keeping things away from the press, but, come on!!  Give us a tip here and there, PLEASE!!  I'm getting desperate to know.
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Post by: charlie on May 25, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
Holloway, he's been seen practising a Brummie accent.
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Post by: john e on May 25, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 25, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
The reason why we were told we would have to wait is because Bielsa has the Copa Del Rey final tonight. Well, it's a nice thought.


1000/1 on betfair
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Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 10:15:20 PM
Ian Holloway, as interesting as it would be, can feck off. That is one thing I have decided on in the last 2 weeks since TSM was booted. That Ian Holloway should be allowed nowhere near our club.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: MadJohnnyC on May 25, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 25, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
Grayson and Hoddle? There isn't half some complete bollocks being rumoured out there. Who's next? Phil Brown and El Tel?

Not quite, but some deluded soul did tell me they had spotted Gordon Strachan down there the other day !

I heard that too. He was clearing tables and filling the water jugs in the restaurant.

It's becoming like those picture tests that psychiatrists give nuts. They show them a blob of colour and they see Steve Bruce or Gary Megson. It's a fucking blob of colour you idiot.
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Post by: gervilla on May 25, 2012, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 25, 2012, 10:15:20 PM
Ian Holloway, as interesting as it would be, can feck off. That is one thing I have decided on in the last 2 weeks since TSM was booted. That Ian Holloway should be allowed nowhere near our club.

Holloway should never be allowed darken our door. The disrespectful little shit.
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Post by: James on May 25, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
Pre-OGS I was firmly in the Lambert camp, post-OGS when I look at the list on the poll nobody excites me especially, least of all Ian 'Ooo Argh' Hollowedout, arrogant fucking numpty, and Larry G whom I don't dislike but isn't good enough for Villa.

The OGS experience was unfortunate, because it raised so many people's expectations, and unless they come up with another somebody like that it will feel like an anti-climax. That's not criticising the board at all, I think they did right talking to him even if they screwed up with using Randy's jet, but I can't help thinking that they've made a rod for their own backs now. The split in the voting above says why! I hope that they have a conveniently inspiring rabbit to pull out of a claret and blue hat, but last year's experience leaves me unconvinced.

I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping at this point!

Rafa, I mean waiter, more wine please!  ;)

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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 25, 2012, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 25, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
I have now backed Lambert with hard cash at Paddypower.  I was surprised that despite my money going in he still remains second favourite behind Rafa. Emile Heskey is 150/1!

I thought Heskey was getting a one year contract with Leicester ')
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 25, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Hermann Rorschach, 33-1 on Betfair. Lump on
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Post by: sonlyme on May 25, 2012, 11:36:29 PM
Ho ho ho.

Our favourite chuckler old Dave Whelan has it appeared not been taking the tablets again.  This comes from the Mirror...

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-dismiss-dave-whelans-claims-848221 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-dismiss-dave-whelans-claims-848221)

You what!? Liverpool rubbish claims that Martinez has landed the job

(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article823130.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Blackburn+Rovers+v+Wigan+Athletic+-+Premier+League)

Liverpool were last night mystified by Dave Whelan’s outlandish claims they have offered Roberto Martinez their manager’s job.

Anfield sources insist Martinez has not been offered the post and the Spaniard is no closer to being named as Kenny Dalglish’s successor.

Although principal owner John W Henry was understood to have been impressed with Martinez when they met in Miami on Thursday, he has not made a final decision.

The American wants to speak to more candidates on his shortlist, including Swansea boss Brendan Rodgers and Dutchman Louis van Gaal.

Henry is expected to meet the pair next week in the UK and Liverpool are still some way off announcing their new manager.

Liverpool were last night mystified by Dave Whelan’s outlandish claims they have offered Roberto Martinez their manager’s job.

Poor old Dave - the rentaquote tycoon is obviously angling to oust 'lovely' Stan Collymore from Talkspout - we can see no other reason for spouting such and endless stream of shite.

Whelan - 92 - could only pull a face when asked about Liverpool's response...

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42612000/jpg/_42612171_lesdawson_two203.jpg)
The font of all knowledge - on being
told he had soiled himself again

Why is the old git so determined Roberto shouldn't come to Villa?  Anyone ITK?  I think we should be told.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 25, 2012, 11:39:48 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Hermann Rorschach, 33-1 on Betfair. Lump on

I thought he was killed at the end of 'Watchmen'?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: OzVilla on May 25, 2012, 11:40:15 PM
I wanted Lambert from the off but I'm interested in what AVB's agent said today about him wanting a long term 'project'.

If we are loooking for experience then Van Gaal would be great also.

So my A list would consist of Lambert, Van Gaal or AVB and go from there.

Holloway - a big no thanks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: phantom limb on May 25, 2012, 11:56:55 PM
So it's official then, Dave Whelan is now the biggest gobshite in the world. Who can usurp him?
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 25, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Hermann Rorschach, 33-1 on Betfair. Lump on

So, what do you see here?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShbaSflVlvRxxArX4IvvyjMuIDJGjLt-WqinoUkfd8PIPA8PxIbfOBNcST4A)

Villa fans panicking like little girls?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: phantom limb on May 26, 2012, 12:03:30 AM
Quote from: Domingos Cooper on May 25, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Hermann Rorschach, 33-1 on Betfair. Lump on

So, what do you see here?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShbaSflVlvRxxArX4IvvyjMuIDJGjLt-WqinoUkfd8PIPA8PxIbfOBNcST4A)

Villa fans panicking like little girls?
A beetle wearing a crown eating a pair of testicles while someone gives a double thumbs up. What do I win?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 26, 2012, 12:37:24 AM
Quote from: Domingos Cooper on May 25, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 25, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Hermann Rorschach, 33-1 on Betfair. Lump on

So, what do you see here?

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcShbaSflVlvRxxArX4IvvyjMuIDJGjLt-WqinoUkfd8PIPA8PxIbfOBNcST4A)


Daddy?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villa for life on May 26, 2012, 12:38:32 AM
Could we be lining up Chris Hughton? West Brom seem to be interested in other candidates when it seemed like he was destined for them a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: jeowje on May 26, 2012, 12:43:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.

That Ratner jewellery is a bit crap aswell, isn't it?
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 26, 2012, 12:44:44 AM
A teary - eyed Holloway.  Lost it, big time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TaxDodger on May 26, 2012, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: Lizz on May 25, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 25, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
I've decided I want Tim Lovejoy as our new manager. He's great.

Supported by Dennis Wise?

Yeh, why not?
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Post by: DeKuip on May 26, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.
It's too hot to sleep
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 01:03:17 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 26, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.
It's too hot to sleep

Too right.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 26, 2012, 02:23:26 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 25, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 25, 2012, 06:23:47 PM
Don't forget TSM was on 2million quid a year - that's 2.5 mill euros. I'd say there was scope for negotiation if AVB wanted to sit down and have a chat about it.

Looking over that top 30 table again, it's worth reminding ourselves we pay our managers more than Milan, Inter, Dortmund and Juve. And also more than/same as the national coaches of Spain, Germany and Brazil.

Which draws the question... Why the hell should we be looking at the likes of Grayson, Poyet, McCarthy, Curbishley or dare I say OGS?

Quite.

I guess because managers who can command those fees have the good sense to know when they're being asked to deliver the impossible.
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Post by: villanic on May 26, 2012, 03:21:18 AM
Had a guy in the pub I drink in boring me about Some inside info he's got about Glen Hoddle becoming our new manger.

It was something along the lines of he's mates wife's sister works at Villa park and has been told this in happening.

The guy I was talking to reckons he had £10 on it at 50/1 in the week and today the had £25 quid on it because the odds have dropped to 12/1.

I personally think the sun has got to him had he is talking bollocks but the only thing that worries me is that he said McLeish was going to be our manager about 2 days before he resigned from the filth and turned up at our place.
 
I don't have a problem with Hoddle but I do think he's time as a prem manager has gone. Could see him as some kind of DoF or technical adviser type role though if we got a young manager .

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Post by: HK Villan on May 26, 2012, 05:15:29 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 26, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.
It's too hot to sleep

Maybe it's our global fan base?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 26, 2012, 05:37:33 AM
They could well be talking to Hoddle -and maybe even about the Villa job.

But not necessarily with a view to offering it to him.

It's often mentioned on this site and elsewhere that the board lack football knowledge, hence why they approached GT to get his opinion on who would be the best replacement post MON.   McLeish got a glowing reference from Fergiescum. 

Hoddle has a reputation in the game for playing football the right way, so they might believe he's as good a guy as any to canvass about up and coming young managers with a similar philosophy. They might even have someone in mind who he specifically knows. 

I think that is far more likely than the oddball actually getting the gig.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 26, 2012, 05:51:04 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 26, 2012, 05:37:33 AM
I think that is far more likely than the oddball actually getting the gig.

hope you're right.
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Post by: JD on May 26, 2012, 06:33:03 AM
I want to be the next Villa Manager  :D I'm sick of managing the Rebuild of Christchurch on behalf of the Insurance Company I work for.

Seriously, there are some pretty good candidates out there, so let's just hope Randy takes his time and gets the right man.   

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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 26, 2012, 07:35:27 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 26, 2012, 05:37:33 AM
Hoddle has a reputation in the game for playing football the right way, so they might believe he's as good a guy as any to canvass about up and coming young managers with a similar philosophy. They might even have someone in mind who he specifically knows. 


People love to say "Who'd heard of Arsene Wenger before he took over Arsenal" when trying to plug some who-he for our job. Well Glenn Hoddle had and after he'd played for him at Monaco I read an interview with Hoddle in the mid 90s where he raved about him and said that Wenger should be the next England Manager, but instead had moved to Grampus 8.

So using Hoddle as an advisor could be a very good idea.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 08:48:43 AM
Hoddle would be another Houllier. Out of the game too long.

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Post by: wookster on May 26, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: villa for life on May 26, 2012, 12:38:32 AM
Could we be lining up Chris Hughton? West Brom seem to be interested in other candidates when it seemed like he was destined for them a few weeks ago.

Oh Jeezuz, that would mean another season of fans moaning about taking from SHA again
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 26, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
so its Glen Hoddle day today then ?    just so i know
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Post by: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: john e on May 26, 2012, 08:58:32 AM
so its Glen Hoddle day today then ?    just so i know

Sorry to be negative. It's just my gut instinct on him. If he got the job he'd have my full support.

I'd rather see a Lambert, Martinez, Rodgers, Poyet take the hot-seat. An up-and-coming hungry manager rather than somebody who was a top coach but has been away for a while.
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Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 12:39:27 AM
How sad is it that at 12.40 am there are over 300 people browsing this site.
There is nothing sad or strange about that. Not all our followers live in little old England. We also have well over 500,000 Facebook followers so this is a very small % of the global Villa Internet community.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 26, 2012, 09:16:33 AM
Does Hoddle come under the young and vibrant category?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Show me the quote where the club say "young" is a criteria? Not being arsey, just seeing it repeated as a new truth, but can't ever remember it coming from the club.
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Post by: john e on May 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Show me the quote where the club say "young" is a criteria? Not being arsey, just seeing it repeated as a new truth, but can't ever remember it coming from the club.


yes someone, might have been you said this yesterday,

 i assumed it said 'young' as well which i think is incorrect, i'm sure its because of the vibrancy thing,
but you can be old and vibrant, like Cliff Richard
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Post by: Rich on May 26, 2012, 09:28:32 AM
So it's Cliff Richards for manager then
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Post by: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 26, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Show me the quote where the club say "young" is a criteria? Not being arsey, just seeing it repeated as a new truth, but can't ever remember it coming from the club.
My apologies your quite right. The 'young' bit does not appear in the club statement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645

Ok does Hoddle come into the 'vibrant' category? I hope not.
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Post by: Ad@m on May 26, 2012, 09:49:10 AM
I imagine they couldn't say young because some smart arse lawyer would sue them for breach of age discrimination laws.

They clearly meant young though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: adrenachrome on May 26, 2012, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 26, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Show me the quote where the club say "young" is a criteria? Not being arsey, just seeing it repeated as a new truth, but can't ever remember it coming from the club.
My apologies your quite right. The 'young' bit does not appear in the club statement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18076645

Ok does Hoddle come into the 'vibrant' category? I hope not.

Eileen Drewery once stated that Hoddle would often vibrate like a tuning fork at the incredibly high frequency of 6645 Hz (G#, I believe) when  his chakras were realigned.
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Post by: nigel on May 26, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations
and celebrations
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 26, 2012, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 26, 2012, 09:35:14 AM
[Ok does Hoddle come into the 'vibrant' category? I hope not.

Me too. Though if his advice is good, I'll take that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: CJ on May 26, 2012, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: nigel on May 26, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations
and celebrations

He's been hanging around in the shadows waiting for his chance to work with the young ones
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 26, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
We have to wait for our man because he's on a summer holiday out in the country.
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Post by: john e on May 26, 2012, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: nigel on May 26, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations
and celebrations

He's been hanging around in the shadows waiting for his chance to work with the young ones


Cliff Richard  joint 4th favourite at 8/1  Betfair
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 26, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 26, 2012, 09:19:54 AM
Show me the quote where the club say "young" is a criteria? Not being arsey, just seeing it repeated as a new truth, but can't ever remember it coming from the club.


This is a good point, I don't think Faulkner ever used the word 'young'. From memory, in that interview with Pat Murphy, when quizzed whether the new manager would be a younger man, PF replied "well age is just a number but....." before wibbling on for a bit and thereby avoided giving a direct answer.

Re Glenn Hoddle btw - make no mistake Hoddle stopped being a good manager the day he stopped being a player-manager. Would be an awful choice IMO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 26, 2012, 11:01:48 AM
i dont think Hoddle would make a bad manager to be fair,

 i just think ironicaly that his sins of the past always keep cropping up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2012, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: john e on May 26, 2012, 11:01:48 AM
i dont think Hoddle would make a bad manager to be fair,

 i just think ironicaly that his sins of the past always keep cropping up

He must have been a bit stupid in a past life.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
When Hoddle was at Wolves, i think he drew a stupid amount of games in his last season there and we've had enough draws recently to last us 3 seasons.

I can't see it being him anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 26, 2012, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 26, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
When Hoddle was at Wolves, i think he drew a stupid amount of games in his last season there

Well our position at the top of the "most draws" league would be unthreatened.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Moorski on May 26, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Hoddle is 54 young & Vibrant he is not!

No to Grayson,Mc Allister,Bruce,Mc Carthy,Wilkins,Ranieri
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 26, 2012, 11:55:36 AM
Keegan will be fav by kick off tonight hes still at the belfrey
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Post by: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations

Are MGMT taking over?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 26, 2012, 12:23:11 PM
Hoddle? that guy can go fuck himself, his comments about disabled people paying for past sins has made him one of my mortal enemies
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 26, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/05/26/the-wife-of-aston-villa-s-european-cup-winning-manager-tony-barton-speaks-exclusively-to-the-birmingham-mail-97319-31048300/

I wonder if Rose could see her way to passing on the piece of lace to the next lad in charge?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 26, 2012, 12:35:20 PM
Randy, I demand you get hold of that piece of lace..right now before you do anything else!
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/05/25/what-is-wrong-with-liverpool-and-aston-villa/
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 26, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/05/26/the-wife-of-aston-villa-s-european-cup-winning-manager-tony-barton-speaks-exclusively-to-the-birmingham-mail-97319-31048300/

I wonder if Rose could see her way to passing on the piece of lace to the next lad in charge?

If anyone wants to go carry on believing Doug-wouldn't-have-stood-for-all-this, have a word with Mrs B.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 26, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Hoddle is 54 young & Vibrant he is not!

No to Grayson,Mc Allister,Bruce,Mc Carthy,Wilkins,Ranieri
Excuse me 52 is young and vibrant for me and Hoddle is a former athlete however a big NO from me for two reasons. His comment ref to disabled people and he as been out too long!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 26, 2012, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations

Are MGMT taking over?

Oh well. Time to pretend it's not happening.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 26, 2012, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations

Are MGMT taking over?

Oh well. Time to pretend it's not happening.

I had forgotten that MGMT stands for their original name, 'Management'!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: CJ on May 26, 2012, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 26, 2012, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 26, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 26, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
Congratulations

Are MGMT taking over?

Oh well. Time to pretend it's not happening.

I had forgotten that MGMT stands for their original name, 'Management'!

Bit of a leap of faith from Cliff Richard to MGMT!
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Post by: Mister E on May 26, 2012, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 26, 2012, 11:49:22 AM
Hoddle is 54 young & Vibrant he is not!
Careful young man.
The Villa won the European Cup when I was 24, 30 years' ago today!
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 26, 2012, 01:14:40 PM
At least the Martinez rumours are subsiding
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 26, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
It's only because whelan's phone has died. Of boredom
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 26, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 26, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
It's only because whelan's phone has died. Of boredom

His phone's got less credit than he has.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 26, 2012, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 26, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
It's only because whelan's phone has died. Of boredom

His phone's got less credit than he has.

Ha ha made me chuckle.
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Post by: john e on May 26, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
is there anyone in the Euro Championships that we could be waiting for, or is that a wait to long ?
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Post by: Moorski on May 26, 2012, 02:25:56 PM
LOL Apologies to those young at heart 50 plus folk out there,still don't want Hoddle though.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2012, 02:42:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 26, 2012, 12:30:33 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/05/26/the-wife-of-aston-villa-s-european-cup-winning-manager-tony-barton-speaks-exclusively-to-the-birmingham-mail-97319-31048300/

I wonder if Rose could see her way to passing on the piece of lace to the next lad in charge?

If anyone wants to go carry on believing Doug-wouldn't-have-stood-for-all-this, have a word with Mrs B.

Isn't that the truth. 2 weeks in and some of the revisionism on here wouldn't have stood out of place in Kim's North Korea.
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Post by: montague on May 26, 2012, 05:42:53 PM
Hope the board have been watching Graysons team today - not with a bargepole please.
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Post by: levico on May 26, 2012, 05:46:10 PM
I've been away so forgive me if I'm missing something but is this turning into a predictable farce?
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Post by: mr underhill on May 26, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
thank fuck Larry's Eleven won. That's him of the list
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: levico on May 26, 2012, 05:46:10 PM
I've been away so forgive me if I'm missing something but is this turning into a predictable farce?

If you mean the regular miseryarses moaning because what they want isn't being done NOW then yes, it's starting to get predictable.
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Post by: TaxDodger on May 26, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 26, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
thank fuck Larry's Eleven won. That's him of the list

Why would him getting his side promoted mean he can be taken off the list? If anything I think it makes it more likely to happen. Obviously another promotion makes him a more attractive option for Randy, and I'm fairly sure he'd still leave Huddersfield for us if we did decide to make an approach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 26, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 26, 2012, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 26, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
thank fuck Larry's Eleven won. That's him of the list

Why would him getting his side promoted mean he can be taken off the list? If anything I think it makes it more likely to happen. Obviously another promotion makes him a more attractive option for Randy, and I'm fairly sure he'd still leave Huddersfield for us if we did decide to make an approach.

Promotions with blackpool, leeds and huddersfield are more likely to  move him up the list rather than off it!
May not be the right man for us this time but worth keeping an eye on .
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2012, 06:15:24 PM
Not Grayson please, maybe 5-10 years down the line.
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Post by: KRS on May 26, 2012, 06:50:31 PM
I dont think Grayson is ready to manage Villa yet but if the powers that be decide to go down that road then we'd be in pole position to bring Jordan Rhodes to the PL. Always thought Grayson would manage Villa one day but whether now is the right time for him is another question.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 26, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
Sorry but don't agree with the folks doubting my assessment of Larry being off the list. He will want to prove himself with Huddersfield in the championship and it was obvious from his post match interview he has a good relationship with his chairman. and I can't  believe any right minded Villa fan would want him managing us. so there!
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Post by: IRISHPHIL on May 26, 2012, 06:57:17 PM
would like gus poyet , as got experince of english football
also worked in league 1 , championship and also premiership ( at spurs in coaching role)
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Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 09:25:28 PM
Poyet ticks a lot of the boxes that OGS did in fairness.

A lot of chatter than Rodgers is now in talks with Liverpool. Gone to odds on with the bookies too.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 09:26:18 PM
I wouldn't be too upset if it was Poyet.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 26, 2012, 10:02:07 PM
Me neither.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
If we applied logic (I know last summer and all...) to the search, we know that the 2 managers they have targeted have been about attacking football played in the passing style, with a young manager that would be in it for a while. Poyet fits that bill nicely, and has a similar background to OGS, winner as a player, reserve team coach, number 2, then number 1. By logic, he has to be in the thinking.
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Post by: hawkeye on May 26, 2012, 10:23:39 PM
I think Poyet is a far better candidate than OGS, he got my vote on this poll.
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Post by: Ian. on May 26, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
I like the sound of Poyet.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 26, 2012, 11:20:13 PM
I like the sound of breaking glass.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2012, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 26, 2012, 11:20:13 PM
I like the sound of breaking glass.

Someone outs himself as a Hazel O'Connor fan.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2012, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 26, 2012, 11:20:13 PM
I like the sound of breaking glass.

Someone outs himself as a Hazel O'Connor fan.

Au contraire.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 27, 2012, 02:21:29 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2012, 09:26:18 PM
I wouldn't be too upset if it was Poyet.
I wouldn't be upset with Spit the Dog right now..
Sort it Randy.
Lambert, or the rest eff off..spit!?
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 27, 2012, 03:28:43 AM
He is coming.

(http://i.imgur.com/iHnio.jpg)
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Post by: willywombat on May 27, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 26, 2012, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 26, 2012, 11:20:13 PM
I like the sound of breaking glass.

Someone outs himself as a Hazel O'Connor fan.

Nick Lowe
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Post by: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
No me. He is a negative bugger too. Not my cup of tea. West Brom fans were not impressed either.

I see Martinez is having a press conference on Tuesday. Daily Star are reporting that Villa agreed a contract on Wednesday with Martinez, before he went and had talks with John Henry on Thursday. Would be interesting. If I were Martinez, I would come to Villa rather than go to Liverpool at this point in time. There is bigger scope to do a more impressive job here.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2012, 08:38:11 AM
However it is the star, I hop he comes here now would shut whelan right up
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Post by: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:00:56 AM
No me. He is a negative bugger too. Not my cup of tea. West Brom fans were not impressed either.

I see Martinez is having a press conference on Tuesday. Daily Star are reporting that Villa agreed a contract on Wednesday with Martinez, before he went and had talks with John Henry on Thursday. Would be interesting. If I were Martinez, I would come to Villa rather than go to Liverpool at this point in time. There is bigger scope to do a more impressive job here.

Really hard to believe that we had a contract even drawn up for Martinez, let alone a formal agreed upon offer. I can't even remember who the bookies favorite was on Wednesday.
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Post by: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2012, 08:50:07 AM
So RDM today then?  Martinez press conference on Tuesday, possibly going to Liverpool but papers/linking them to Van Gaal and Rodgers again. Could be an interesting week ahead!! I'm looking forward to what Martinez has to say if Liverpool are still looking at other candidates.
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Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2012, 08:38:11 AM
However it is the star, I hop he comes here now would shut whelan right up


Dave Whelan you gotta laugh, i love the old buffer
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Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 09:22:10 AM
well the bookies at the moment think its between Martinez and rogers for Liverpool, both virtually evens

i dont understand the press conference thing if it's true, is it Wigans FC conference or Martinez ? why tuesday ?
you only have press conferences to announce things, seems a long way of to keep everyone guessing.
unless its my old mate Whelans way of being a thorn in the side of the big boys
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Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
I agree John, it is a bit strange as it doesn't appear at this point to be Liverpool's press conference, only RM's.  Personally, I hope it's to say he wants the Villa job but knows they are talking to other candidates!
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Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too
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Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun
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Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
I agree John, it is a bit strange as it doesn't appear at this point to be Liverpool's press conference, only RM's.  Personally, I hope it's to say he wants the Villa job but knows they are talking to other candidates!

No doubt Mr Whelan will throw some light on things eventually, unless Martinez has told him to shut the fuck up.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 27, 2012, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2012, 08:50:07 AM
Could be an interesting week ahead!!
How long have we been saying that?
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
Nearly two weeks.
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Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 27, 2012, 09:46:43 AM
I agree John, it is a bit strange as it doesn't appear at this point to be Liverpool's press conference, only RM's.  Personally, I hope it's to say he wants the Villa job but knows they are talking to other candidates!

No doubt Mr Whelan will throw some light on things eventually, unless Martinez has told him to shut the fuck up.


Whelan doesnt give a toss what people think, and Liverpool or anyone else wont shut him up, he says what he wants, he's called it correct on Martinez every time acting as his own personal Sat Nav

i love the old duffer for the way he winds eveyrone up
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 27, 2012, 10:25:47 AM
I dont think I could handle Rodgers going to Liverpool. That would be a punch to the gut. Dont really care if Martinez goes though.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 27, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
Has something changed regarding Rodgers and Liverpool then? Im sure he rejected talks with them last week, have I missed something?
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Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 10:41:45 AM
The latest stab in the dark from The People is a Southgate and McDonald double act.
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Post by: James on May 27, 2012, 10:42:29 AM
Lots of contradictory shit in the Sundays. The People have Southgate and KMac as our new management team! Nobody knows anything and it's driving them all mad, I'm sure they're having a competition between each other to see who can print the most outlandish story! The bookies will be the only winners, as always! The paper that said Rodgers is in talks with 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' is also reporting that he's just broken Swans' transfer record! It's all bollocks, we'll know when the club announces it and not before, but hopefully it will be next week. There is much work to do at the club.
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Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun

To say RDM is defensive is based on their CL games.  Chelsea used tactics and a game plan to beat Barca and Bayern, two of the best teams in Europe.  They were hardly defensive when they beat Spurs 5-1 or QPR 6-1.  He would be good for us. 
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 10:52:01 AM

Same old media drivel and guess work,again. Love it when they have no clue and start printing this crap.
Mourinho seen leaving the travel inn in Birmingham............Just thought i would try and be a journo for a minute.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 27, 2012, 11:03:12 AM
I like that bit of nonsense at least it's exciting nonsense.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
A bit of nonsense never hurt anybody.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2012, 11:19:55 AM
Also I saw southgate on tv, he said he's not interested in management at the moment
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 11:25:42 AM
Thank f..k for that! Was starting to get a bit worried about the "dream team" of him and Kmac.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 27, 2012, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2012, 11:19:55 AM
Also I saw southgate on tv, he said he's not interested in management at the moment
He didn't seem ineterested in it at Boro, he was crap.
Got them relegated with some dire football.
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Post by: spud1950 on May 27, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
Wouldnt mind southgate with an experienced person alongside.He told the truth when leaving for pastures new .That we were going no where under you know who
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Post by: OCD on May 27, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2012, 11:19:55 AM
Also I saw southgate on tv, he said he's not interested in management at the moment

The paper was talking about Southgate doing a Director of Football job and Kevin McDonald being the head coach. It's lazy journalism - they've just thought the DoF role is probably similar to what he's doing for the FA and that he's an ex-Villa player it would be something we would consider. They won't worry about things like us saying we're not looking at that set-up and talk that McDonald isn't being considered (nor does he fit the requirement).
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Post by: brian green on May 27, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
I dreamed last night that we had signed Hughton.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 27, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
The one thing the club have made consistantly clear is that they are looking for one man only. That man will be the manager. They are not even considering a DOF.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 27, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
I dreamed last night that we had signed Hughton.
Dream or nightmare brian?
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Post by: brian green on May 27, 2012, 11:59:24 AM
Nightmare.   I dreamed that he was being presented to the fans in the Holte Suite but he was delivered by courier all wrapped up in cloth like a mummy.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Erm........Have you taken your medication this morning brian? Now come on,tell the truth!
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 27, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
I'm thinking it's going to be a very left field overseas appointment
Kind of exciting & without doubt will be better than "the other guy"
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 27, 2012, 12:10:06 PM
A very left field overseas appointment?
Is that nice young Mr. O'Leary still living in the middle east?
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Post by: Ger Regan on May 27, 2012, 12:14:53 PM
Quote from: spud1950 on May 27, 2012, 11:39:27 AM
Wouldnt mind southgate with an experienced person alongside.He told the truth when leaving for pastures new .That we were going no where under you know who
And how does that equip him to manage us exactly?
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 27, 2012, 12:16:35 PM
Didn't Southgate say he was not interested?
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 27, 2012, 12:18:45 PM
Lambert down to 6/4 with Wm's..Southgate nowhere; 33/1. Rest drifting.

A better idea is to stick something on Persian Gates and Sublime Talent at Fakenham today. Put the winnings on Lambert whilst ye may..
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
There are a number of plus sides to Martinez. The one being we'd not have to hear from Whelan bleating on about hum as if he was a piece of meat hanging at the market. He would hopefully make a couple of quick signings too. Rodallega is on a free, Victor Moses is in the last year of his deal and some bloke called N'Zogbia who played his best football under Martinez.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
Seems we're having problems like last year and i'm guessing its for the same reason. No-one managing at our level or with a reputation wants to follow TSM's brief of keeping us up with kids and free transfers. Don't blame 'em
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:28:45 PM
Seems we're having problems like last year and i'm guessing its for the same reason. No-one managing at our level or with a reputation wants to follow TSM's brief of keeping us up with kids and free transfers. Don't blame 'em

Ever optimistic. Why not have a moan after the appointment, they might shock you Greg.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 27, 2012, 12:26:30 PM
There are a number of plus sides to Martinez. The one being we'd not have to hear from Whelan bleating on about hum as if he was a piece of meat hanging at the market. He would hopefully make a couple of quick signings too. Rodallega is on a free, Victor Moses is in the last year of his deal and some bloke called N'Zogbia who played his best football under Martinez.

Him holding a press conference on Tuesday is worrying, as it means he is staying put IMO.

I think they should forget it and just go after Poyet now.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
I've decided I'd be happy with Martinez provided he was properly backed. I actually quite like the idea of him being our manager, seems very knowledgeable and articulate.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 12:51:07 PM
Not a bad manager but i still think we should cast the net further afield,Europe wide and have a proper look at who is out there.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

He gave Houllier the money we got from Milner in fairness, not significantly more than that. McLeish still got 20 million last summer. Swansea spent less on their entire squad. The transfer budget argument is only valid if the manager coming in only has eyes on these shores.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 12:59:39 PM
True. That's why Arsne Wenger is a genius when it comes to finding great talent for minimum expense.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 27, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
I've decided I'd be happy with Martinez provided he was properly backed. I actually quite like the idea of him being our manager, seems very knowledgeable and articulate.
Really don't get this knowledgable / articulate bit
Wigan were / are dire every year up until the last 6 games
He's also signed a lot of crap players
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Post by: KevinGage on May 27, 2012, 01:04:02 PM
RM always comes across well when interviewed.  But then so did TSM, prior to the Villa job.

I do have concerns about his transfer record and it's hard to ignore Wigwams league form for the first 6/7 months of the last two seasons.  But with better players he should  do better.  His style of football is more consistent with sides towards the top of the table than sides towards the bottom, whereas McLeish's attritional warfare was only ever suitable for small sides fighting for their lives.

I'd be reasonably happy with any one from Martinez, Lambert or Di Matteo.   Rodgers too, but that seems completely out of the question.   All of them would represent a step up from the last bloke (not hard) and it would be nice to go into the new campaign actually looking forward to it. 
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

He gave Houllier the money we got from Milner in fairness, not significantly more than that. McLeish still got 20 million last summer. Swansea spent less on their entire squad. The transfer budget argument is only valid if the manager coming in only has eyes on these shores.

As i've before Ozzjim, Mcleish was funded entirely by the sales of young and Downing. Who do we sell this year to give the new guy 20m?
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 27, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Has anyone considered Kenny Swain
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Post by: KevinGage on May 27, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 27, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Has anyone considered Kenny Swain

Funny, but I was thinking that pre OGS, when the talk was we were going the Director of Football route.

Think he'd be a good shout in that scenario.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
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Post by: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

He gave Houllier the money we got from Milner in fairness, not significantly more than that. McLeish still got 20 million last summer. Swansea spent less on their entire squad. The transfer budget argument is only valid if the manager coming in only has eyes on these shores.

As i've before Ozzjim, Mcleish was funded entirely by the sales of young and Downing. Who do we sell this year to give the new guy 20m?

I think there will be some money after the season just gone. They have cost cut, but they are not suicidal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?

the phone? Sound him out to see if he's interested first then approach his club if you decide he's the guy rather than doing it the other way round.

And its not just us who save face. Say you're lambert for instance. you don't know if Villa are interested, so he's faced with applying for the job, Villa approaching Norwich for permission to interview him and then after all the hassle that will cause, he doesn't get the job anyway because we prefer someone else! Not really an attractive proposition for a potential candidate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

He gave Houllier the money we got from Milner in fairness, not significantly more than that. McLeish still got 20 million last summer. Swansea spent less on their entire squad. The transfer budget argument is only valid if the manager coming in only has eyes on these shores.

As i've before Ozzjim, Mcleish was funded entirely by the sales of young and Downing. Who do we sell this year to give the new guy 20m?

I think there will be some money after the season just gone. They have cost cut, but they are not suicidal.

I hope you're right, but looking at the Candidates up top most of them seem to be known for doing things very much on the cheap which doesn't auger well for major funds. Providing of course those names are accurate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

He gave Houllier the money we got from Milner in fairness, not significantly more than that. McLeish still got 20 million last summer. Swansea spent less on their entire squad. The transfer budget argument is only valid if the manager coming in only has eyes on these shores.

As i've before Ozzjim, Mcleish was funded entirely by the sales of young and Downing. Who do we sell this year to give the new guy 20m?

I think there will be some money after the season just gone. They have cost cut, but they are not suicidal.

I hope you're right, but looking at the Candidates up top most of them seem to be known for doing things very much on the cheap which doesn't auger well for major funds. Providing of course those names are accurate.



I think they will have to be creative certainly, but I don't think for a second there will be nothing. I reckon somewhere between 20 and 25 million, and then it is down to how creative a manager can be, and what he can get out of the likes of Delph, Makoun, Ireland, Gardner, Bent, Gabby, N'Zogbia and Albrighton, who lets be honest, are not complete rubbish.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2012, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?

the phone? Sound him out to see if he's interested first then approach his club if you decide he's the guy rather than doing it the other way round.
Yes Greg, I'm sure that Lerner just rocked up, unannounced in Kristiansund and they'd not bothered to discuss anything beforehand.

I don't recall the club announcing anything. Or commenting. Or really doing anything but quietly getting on with things.

Obviously I know that you love complaining for the sake of complaining, but this is a bit rich even for you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?

the phone? Sound him out to see if he's interested first then approach his club if you decide he's the guy rather than doing it the other way round.
Yes Greg, I'm sure that Lerner just rocked up, unannounced in Kristiansund and they'd not bothered to discuss anything beforehand.

I don't recall the club announcing anything. Or commenting. Or really doing anything but quietly getting on with things.

Obviously I know that you love complaining for the sake of complaining, but this is a bit rich even for you.


they contacted his club, like they did with Martinez. You speak to the manager first OTR

As for this complaining tag thats being trotted out about me, its  funny the people who keep mentioning it spent all last season complaining about every aspect of the club, AND the season before, whilst I, erm....didn't.

Obviously they have very little self-awareness or just strict rules who you can complain about or when!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 02:36:20 PM
As far as i can make out, Villa have'nt conducted anything in full glare of the press. Randy's plane was spotted going to Norway by someone on VT who's self importance made him want to announce it on the internet.

In these days of the internet, 24 hour sports channels, twitter, mobile phones etc, we've done well to keep things as quiet as we have to the point where national newspapers are plucking names out of the air in an attempt that they might be right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 27, 2012, 03:13:18 PM
Greg's right. He didn't complain when we were shit. Then again he had a good four years of moaning like Victor Meldrew on mogadon when we were quite good.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
they contacted his club, like they did with Martinez. You speak to the manager first OTR
So when you said we shouldn't do it "in full glare of the press" what you actually meant was "we shouldn't have bothered getting permission from his club". You should try to be a bit clearer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: old man villa fan on May 27, 2012, 03:24:14 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

We will not win anything playing negative football.  We are not good enough at it.

The make up of the squad over the last 5 years has been suited to playing on the front foot.  That is why TSM got it so wrong.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: old man villa fan on May 27, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.

Is that a bit of a 'U' turn?  Seems the first comment was having a go at the club.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
they contacted his club, like they did with Martinez. You speak to the manager first OTR
So when you said we shouldn't do it "in full glare of the press" what you actually meant was "we shouldn't have bothered getting permission from his club". You should try to be a bit clearer.


well the fact i mentioned tapping up should have been clear to most people i would have thought
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 27, 2012, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 03:15:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
they contacted his club, like they did with Martinez. You speak to the manager first OTR
So when you said we shouldn't do it "in full glare of the press" what you actually meant was "we shouldn't have bothered getting permission from his club". You should try to be a bit clearer.


well the fact i mentioned tapping up should have been clear to most people i would have thought

Clear as a Beijing summer's day, I'm afraid Greg.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2012, 03:40:18 PM
1st June. That's my prediction for an announcement
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 27, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.

Is that a bit of a 'U' turn?  Seems the first comment was having a go at the club.

not sure a fiasco has to be anyone's fault really. Just think it was bit naive, as was last year with Martinez. Speak to them first is all i'm saying because once the other club knows, its out of your hands and lets face it, most clubs aren't exactly well disposed to you trying to nick their manager however honourably you behave.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: brian green on May 27, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
So you behave dishonourably and excuse yourself on grounds of either pragmatism or "everybody else does it".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 27, 2012, 04:03:32 PM
I'm getting a bit fed up of checking this thread for updates only to find another quotathon in the court of the contrarian king.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 27, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
I avoided the news for 24 hours. Just logging in now. Martinez seems to be our main target now?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 27, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
So you behave dishonourably and excuse yourself on grounds of either pragmatism or "everybody else does it".

depends if you think its dishonourable.  People talk to other people about job offers without their employers knowing every day. Its only football they take this view, so against the laws maybe, but end of the day OGS or whoever is still contracted to their club and can't leave without their permission. And as i said earlier its not just about making it easier for us to get a manager, but doesn't force someone like rodgers to go out on a limb when we may not even be interested in him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 27, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 27, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
I avoided the news for 24 hours. Just logging in now. Martinez seems to be our main target now?

According to who mate?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: achilles on May 27, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quite honestly I don't care anymore, the board just don't know the first thing about appointing a top class manager, as they have proved!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: lovejoy on May 27, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Lamberts moved right in on the odds today. Under 2/1 started about 5/1.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
Quote from: achilles on May 27, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quite honestly I don't care anymore, the board just don't know the first thing about appointing a top class manager, as they have proved!

I assume that if you don't care anymore you won't be moaning about it anymore, either.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 27, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
A polite plea: can no-one talk about disasters, fuckwits, fiascos etc. at least until we have appointed this year's equivalent of McLeish? If we don't, then great!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2012, 06:19:48 PM
None of the likely candidates, bar Lambert, particularly interest me at the moment. If we aren't going for Lambert then I would consider an outsider in the form of Rudi Garcia... won the double with unfashionable Lille the season before last and consolidated with Champions League qualification again last season. They play good football too (according to Wiki) and have been dubbed "The Barca of the North". Could be our Wenger...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 27, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 27, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Lamberts moved right in on the odds today. Under 2/1 started about 5/1.

I had a bit on Lambert last Saturday , so Ill be happy with him now . i reckon for where we are at , at the moment , Lambert would be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 27, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 27, 2012, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 27, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
Lamberts moved right in on the odds today. Under 2/1 started about 5/1.

I had a bit on Lambert last Saturday , so Ill be happy with him now . i reckon for where we are at , at the moment , Lambert would be a good appointment.

Agree lambert would be my choice too, seems gareth southgate is being linked as well, first time ive heard his name mentioned with the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 27, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 27, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
Has something changed regarding Rodgers and Liverpool then? Im sure he rejected talks with them last week, have I missed something?

Nah just me guessing that he may still be in the mix with them. I have no evidence at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: andyh on May 27, 2012, 07:00:53 PM
Lambert would not be my first choice. But over Southgate, Martinez, Di Matteo, Hoddle, Curbishley et al, I'd prefer him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 27, 2012, 07:10:20 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 27, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 27, 2012, 04:10:08 PM
I avoided the news for 24 hours. Just logging in now. Martinez seems to be our main target now?

According to who mate?

Apologies. I had just typed a request into google and found a story but it turned out to be in the Daily Star...It's just filler I think.
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Post by: Holte L2 on May 27, 2012, 07:31:26 PM
I'm being optimistic tonight. I'm concluding that the longer this goes on, its because we're negotiating with Villas Boas.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 


if you shook his hand i hope your not going to wash it for a month
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

You should have told him you write for the Heroes & Villains fanzine and are interviewing Randy Lerner next week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
Quote from: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 09:57:08 AM
Quote from: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 27, 2012, 08:47:25 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:03:31 AM
Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun

To say RDM is defensive is based on their CL games.  Chelsea used tactics and a game plan to beat Barca and Bayern, two of the best teams in Europe.  They were hardly defensive when they beat Spurs 5-1 or QPR 6-1.  He would be good for us. 


he's Italian, Negative is there default position
no amount of your stats will change that, there is no such thing as a Italian manager who has the same philosophy on playing football as say Martinez or Rogers or Wenger or Beilsa it just doesnt happen

you can make a case on the internet for him, but in the end he will be defensive, especially if he hasnt got players who are better than the opposition which is what he will have at Villa for the main part

this does not mean he cant be successful, he might even play winning football, but the backbone of his tactics will be negative, and any one that tells you different is talking nonsense
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: South West Villian on May 27, 2012, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.

What did
 he say so wrong?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 27, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

You should have told him you write for the Heroes & Villains fanzine and are interviewing Randy Lerner next week.

I don't think he would have believed either
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.


so you had a chat with Pat Murphy and all you got out of him was that he thought Saunders and Cloughie were great managers, and they might consider Di Matteo but he doesnt really know either way,

MI5 you will not be working in any time soon
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

Quote from: South West Villian on May 27, 2012, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.

What did
 he say so wrong?

I apologise for calling him a tawt - is Bozo acceptable? Maybes I should have said in my post please don't respond to this if you are going to denegrate my comments. Think that would have stopped him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 27, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: South West Villian on May 27, 2012, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.

What did
 he say so wrong?
Well I suppose it could have been a turrets spasm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2012, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

Quote from: South West Villian on May 27, 2012, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 08:09:52 PM
Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.

What did
 he say so wrong?

I apologise for calling him a tawt - is Bozo acceptable? Maybes I should have said in my post please don't respond to this if you are going to denegrate my comments. Think that would have stopped him?

He's right on both counts though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.


so you had a chat with Pat Murphy and all you got out of him was that he thought Saunders and Cloughie were great managers, and they might consider Di Matteo but he doesnt really know either way,

MI5 you will not be working in any time soon

Look if you have an issue with Pat Murphy (and clearly you do) then I can' thelp you. I am not qualified and indeed I won't be working for MI5 - what is your point? Anything constructive to offer? Anything at all?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
So Muddy Waters is the next Villa Manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 27, 2012, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
So Muddy Waters is the next Villa Manager?
Yes, with Johnny Cocheroo as his assistant.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
So Muddy Waters is the next Villa Manager?

We don't want another Blues bloke.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rutski on May 27, 2012, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
So Muddy Waters is the next Villa Manager?

We don't want another Blues bloke.
ace! lmao
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

Yep - very good day thanks.  A little on the warm side so Factor 30 was required throughout.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.


so you had a chat with Pat Murphy and all you got out of him was that he thought Saunders and Cloughie were great managers, and they might consider Di Matteo but he doesnt really know either way,

MI5 you will not be working in any time soon

Look if you have an issue with Pat Murphy (and clearly you do) then I can' thelp you. I am not qualified and indeed I won't be working for MI5 - what is your point? Anything constructive to offer? Anything at all?


no not really,
 iv'e been on the piss all afternoon and can hardly stand up, so i'm just having a bit of sport,
 i can assure you i will have nothing constructive to say for the rest of the night, but i might stay on just to cause a bit of mither
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 08:37:27 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.


so you had a chat with Pat Murphy and all you got out of him was that he thought Saunders and Cloughie were great managers, and they might consider Di Matteo but he doesnt really know either way,

MI5 you will not be working in any time soon

Look if you have an issue with Pat Murphy (and clearly you do) then I can' thelp you. I am not qualified and indeed I won't be working for MI5 - what is your point? Anything constructive to offer? Anything at all?


no not really,
 iv'e been on the piss all afternoon and can hardly stand up, so i'm just having a bit of sport,
 i can assure you i will have nothing constructive to say for the rest of the night, but i might stay on just to cause a bit of mither

In that case I suggest you take the rest of the night off.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rutski on May 27, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
i have met pat murphy a couple of times, last one he spoke at our cricket club gents dinner, and i dont know which camp he is in?? pro villa or negative villa. he is massive o neill fan, granted and he tells loads of stories about cloughie which are very amusing. I think, like before the mcleish appointment, the journos are pissed off as they do not seem to have a clue about what is happening and the scoop they are after is not falling at their feet. 
good cricket knowledge, articulate without being pretentious and a nice chap i think!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

Yep - very good day thanks.  A little on the warm side so Factor 30 was required throughout.
Best used externaly i find ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 


if you shook his hand i hope your not going to wash it for a month

If you shook  his hand I hope you are going to scrub and bleach it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bob on May 27, 2012, 08:45:51 PM
Whooooosh!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: rutski on May 27, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
i have met pat murphy a couple of times, last one he spoke at our cricket club gents dinner, and i dont know which camp he is in?? pro villa or negative villa. he is massive o neill fan, granted and he tells loads of stories about cloughie which are very amusing. I think, like before the mcleish appointment, the journos are pissed off as they do not seem to have a clue about what is happening and the scoop they are after is not falling at their feet. 
good cricket knowledge, articulate without being pretentious and a nice chap i think!

He's anti-Lerner for not speaking to him (preferably exclusively) but otherwise fairly neutral. He's very clever, as good a broadcaster as you will ever hear and one of the funnest speakers around.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 27, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
A polite plea: can no-one talk about disasters, fuckwits, fiascos etc. at least until we have appointed this year's equivalent of McLeish? If we don't, then great!
Yes those fuckwits in the press have not termed the fiasco so far as a disaster!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
I shook Noel Blake's hand once. I spent the rest of the day double checking I still had my watch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 27, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
A polite plea: can no-one talk about disasters, fuckwits, fiascos etc. at least until we have appointed this year's equivalent of McLeish? If we don't, then great!
Yes those fuckwits in the press have not termed the fiasco so far as a disaster!

How exactly is it a fisaco?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:40:43 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 27, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

Yep - very good day thanks.  A little on the warm side so Factor 30 was required throughout.
Best used externaly i find ;)

Clearly - it's not Vaseline
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 27, 2012, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 


if you shook his hand i hope your not going to wash it for a month

If you shook  his hand I hope you are going to scrub and bleach it.

Missus Rob_bridge is South Korean who are an OCD nation about cleanliness so hands are washed about 93 times a day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 27, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
It seems some posters have had a bit too much sun this weekend.... calm down lads, were all on the same side here.

Back to topic, if it is going to happen this week, who will it be, and on which day??

AVB on Friday is my guess.

No basis or evidence for this just a bit of fun.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
Pat Murphy runs us down all the time due to his infatuation with wanting to interview Randy, and Randy not really wanting to do it. As such, everything we do, or are going to do, is met with a negative stance from Murphy.

And Di Matteo is not good enough in my view, was struggling badly with West Brom when he left and may well have taken them down. We have been down that route with a manager from our neighbours, not another one with bottom of the league tenancies.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?
Greg's right it was a fiasco. What was all that about sending the private jet over to get him here? Surely negotiations  could have carried on in secret and than get him here on the private jet by all means to sign on the dotted line.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: rutski on May 27, 2012, 08:38:19 PM
i have met pat murphy a couple of times, last one he spoke at our cricket club gents dinner, and i dont know which camp he is in?? pro villa or negative villa. he is massive o neill fan, granted and he tells loads of stories about cloughie which are very amusing. I think, like before the mcleish appointment, the journos are pissed off as they do not seem to have a clue about what is happening and the scoop they are after is not falling at their feet. 
good cricket knowledge, articulate without being pretentious and a nice chap i think!

He's anti-Lerner for not speaking to him (preferably exclusively) but otherwise fairly neutral. He's very clever, as good a broadcaster as you will ever hear and one of the funnest speakers around.

About right but get the feeling he'd like someone to take it to the North West / London love in and dare say feels Villa are one of the best bets to do so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:07:04 PM
My main problem with Murphy is he thinks MON is some sort of genius which sort of sums up his football knowledge really. If he doesn't fancy Di Matteo, i'm tempted by him frankly, but i'm not sure we're in the running now. Plenty of clubs wouldn't mind this year's European Cup winner as their manager even if Chelsea don't. I reckon he'll end up back in Italy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: John M on May 27, 2012, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?
Greg's right it was a fiasco. What was all that about sending the private jet over to get him here? Surely negotiations  could have carried on in secret and than get him here on the private jet by all means to sign on the dotted line.

We asked someone to speak to us, and made it easier for them to do so. Both parties decided they didn't want to take these discussions further. By no stretch of the imagination, even whatever passes for Greg's imagination, could that be described as a fiasco. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 27, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
A polite plea: can no-one talk about disasters, fuckwits, fiascos etc. at least until we have appointed this year's equivalent of McLeish? If we don't, then great!
Yes those fuckwits in the press have not termed the fiasco so far as a disaster!

How exactly is it a fisaco?
Requires no further answer from me my lord other than the OGS effort and previous track record of our Club management.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
Pat Murphy runs us down all the time due to his infatuation with wanting to interview Randy, and Randy not really wanting to do it. As such, everything we do, or are going to do, is met with a negative stance from Murphy.

And Di Matteo is not good enough in my view, was struggling badly with West Brom when he left and may well have taken them down. We have been down that route with a manager from our neighbours, not another one with bottom of the league tenancies.

Disagree mainly with the first para - agree with the 2nd completely
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Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 09:10:29 PM
I will now abstain from this discussion for at least 24 hours.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
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A polite plea: can no-one talk about disasters, fuckwits, fiascos etc. at least until we have appointed this year's equivalent of McLeish? If we don't, then great!
Yes those fuckwits in the press have not termed the fiasco so far as a disaster!

How exactly is it a fisaco?
Requires no further answer from me my lord other than the OGS effort and previous track record of our Club management.

Sounds like you don't have an answer.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
DiMatteo for me is a no-no.He was never actually "in charge at chelsea".
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:17:49 PM
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Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?
Greg's right it was a fiasco. What was all that about sending the private jet over to get him here? Surely negotiations  could have carried on in secret and than get him here on the private jet by all means to sign on the dotted line.

We asked someone to speak to us, and made it easier for them to do so. Both parties decided they didn't want to take these discussions further. By no stretch of the imagination, even whatever passes for Greg's imagination, could that be described as a fiasco. 

I think the major sponser threatening to pull out the club if he left is pretty much of a fiasco even if we weren't at fault. The whole thing was about as messy as you can get. In fact show me discussions with a manager that have gone worse?
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Post by: bob on May 27, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
I remover shaking Big Ron's hand when I was a boy.

He had chubby fingers.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 09:20:51 PM
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Unlikely. We know the sort of people they're looking for from the aborted OGS fiasco. Family reasons or not, if Lerner had gone in there with the sort of spending budget he gave MON or even Houllier then he'd have been here now.

Sorry, but how exactly was it a 'fiasco'??

the fact that we did it in the full glare of the press rather than OTR. That's not particulary the clubs fault  but it would be nice if we started tapping up people like the other 99% of clubs so we know their answer before we approach their club.
So what should they have done differently? Camouflaged his plane? Shut down Villa message-boards?
Greg's right it was a fiasco. What was all that about sending the private jet over to get him here? Surely negotiations  could have carried on in secret and than get him here on the private jet by all means to sign on the dotted line.

We asked someone to speak to us, and made it easier for them to do so. Both parties decided they didn't want to take these discussions further. By no stretch of the imagination, even whatever passes for Greg's imagination, could that be described as a fiasco. 

I think the major sponser threatening to pull out the club if he left is pretty much of a fiasco even if we weren't at fault. The whole thing was about as messy as you can get. In fact show me discussions with a manager that have gone worse?

I think another episode of Greg's Comedy Gold could be starting. We talk to a potential manager, don't offer him the job, he says he doesn't want it anyway and that's the worst managerial discussions ever?
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Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 09:25:33 PM
I think some of you  don't make any effort to understand what Greg is actually saying.

Crap...I said I wasn't  going to comment on this  again today.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 27, 2012, 09:27:46 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.

He would have got it.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.

It's a wild stab in the dark, but maybe he'd have said he wanted it. At which point, if we wanted him to have it, we would have talked to him again. 
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:32:07 PM
well lets hope the next club we approach aren't threatened with bankruptcy for the sake of a few informal discussions. Maybe, hopefully, the next guy we go for we actually want as manager and he wants to join as well....
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Post by: Hoppo on May 27, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
Not a picking an argument Dave but you sure do a good PR job for Randy.. its an area in which we lack since Phil Mepham left in my view, get on board! Dave who do you want as the next manager?
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Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 09:35:52 PM
We approached a manager for talks, he talks to us, he then tells us he wants to take it no further. Hardly what i'd call a fiasco.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on May 27, 2012, 09:33:09 PM
Not a picking an argument Dave but you sure do a good PR job for Randy.. its an area in which we lack since Phil Mepham left in my view, get on board! Dave who do you want as the next manager?

I've said before; it's hard to say without knowing the parameters of the job. As it seems to stand I'd go for Martinez or Poyet.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 27, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
It seems some posters have had a bit too much sun this weekend.... calm down lads, were all on the same side here.

Back to topic, if it is going to happen this week, who will it be, and on which day??

AVB on Friday is my guess.

No basis or evidence for this just a bit of fun.

Alan Curbishley on 6th June just to ruin my birthday.
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Post by: Hoppo on May 27, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
Im happy with either of them.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 27, 2012, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.

Most of the fuss has been from the fans and the press. And for someone who didn't want him, you are making more of a fuss then most.
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Post by: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
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Post by: danlanza on May 27, 2012, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
He is also used to working with little or no money,should make him perfect for us. Suits Lerner perfectly!
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 27, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:07:04 PM
My main problem with Murphy is he thinks MON is some sort of genius which sort of sums up his football knowledge really.

There are an awful lot of people in football who think highly of O'Neill: players, former players, managers, former managers...some of them must know something about football?

Admittedly, most have probably been to a game or two in the last ten years so they wouldn't have your insights.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 27, 2012, 09:45:40 PM
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For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.

Most of the fuss has been from the fans and the press. And for someone who didn't want him, you are making more of a fuss then most.


Well the original point was about how we approached managers, which seems to be done through their club officially before we even know if they want the job or in our case whether we want them. I think its a daft way of doing things but each to their own. I'm pretty sure if we'd spoken to OGS off the record first then all the fuss wouldn't have blown up, and if it had it would have been when he agreed to join  us, NOT when we went to talk to him.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 09:57:24 PM
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For someone who didn't want the job, and which we didn't offer it to, its a pretty impressive fuss. God knows what would have happened if he had wanted the job.

Most of the fuss has been from the fans and the press. And for someone who didn't want him, you are making more of a fuss then most.


Well the original point was about how we approached managers, which seems to be done through their club officially before we even know if they want the job or in our case whether we want them. I think its a daft way of doing things but each to their own. I'm pretty sure if we'd spoken to OGS OTR record first then all the fuss wouldn't have blown up, and if it had it would have been when he agreed to join us us, NOT when we went to talk to him.

The big flaw with that is that, in every interview Solskjær gave from the Friday when he came here to the Tuesday or whenever it was when he said he wasn't up for it, he said he was interested. It wasn't like we flew him over, he said "fuck that, I'm not up for it" then we flew him back.

You speak a lot of sense on some subjects, Greg, but you've dug yourself into a massive hole with this one, and you're really only succeeding in digging yourself in deeper.

Not to mention the fact that, ultimately, when he thought about it, he didn't want to come, so really, what would we have gained by doing it any other way? The difference between yes I'm interested, and no I am not is really not going to be anything to do with us sending a jet to pick him up, and if it was, what sort of appointment would he have been?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
Not sure about that Paulie. that first press conference after the Lerner meeting to me sounded like he wasn't interested, but others on here at the time thought he sounded like he was. I certianly didn't see loads of "come and get me" signals that others did, just wishful thinking.
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Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:05:39 PM
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Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun

To say RDM is defensive is based on their CL games.  Chelsea used tactics and a game plan to beat Barca and Bayern, two of the best teams in Europe.  They were hardly defensive when they beat Spurs 5-1 or QPR 6-1.  He would be good for us. 


he's Italian, Negative is there default position
no amount of your stats will change that, there is no such thing as a Italian manager who has the same philosophy on playing football as say Martinez or Rogers or Wenger or Beilsa it just doesnt happen

you can make a case on the internet for him, but in the end he will be defensive, especially if he hasnt got players who are better than the opposition which is what he will have at Villa for the main part

this does not mean he cant be successful, he might even play winning football, but the backbone of his tactics will be negative, and any one that tells you different is talking nonsense

Ahh nothing like a national stereotype!  Mancini was negative in winning in the league and scoring the most goals wasnt he?!! 
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:07:18 PM
He said he was interested, and to the Norweigian press after the first conference said that he hoped to speak to us again. He batted his eyelids enough for us to ask his club to speak to him, I am 100% confident of that.
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Post by: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.

On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?
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Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
He would'nt have jumped on the plane in the first place if he was'nt tempted by the idea.

Besides, did'nt the Molde directors leak answers to some questions they asked him which he said amongst other things said he would leave if offered the job, take one of his backroom staff and go back for their best player?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
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Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun

To say RDM is defensive is based on their CL games.  Chelsea used tactics and a game plan to beat Barca and Bayern, two of the best teams in Europe.  They were hardly defensive when they beat Spurs 5-1 or QPR 6-1.  He would be good for us. 


he's Italian, Negative is there default position
no amount of your stats will change that, there is no such thing as a Italian manager who has the same philosophy on playing football as say Martinez or Rogers or Wenger or Beilsa it just doesnt happen

you can make a case on the internet for him, but in the end he will be defensive, especially if he hasnt got players who are better than the opposition which is what he will have at Villa for the main part

this does not mean he cant be successful, he might even play winning football, but the backbone of his tactics will be negative, and any one that tells you different is talking nonsense

Ahh nothing like a national stereotype!  Mancini was negative in winning in the league and scoring the most goals wasnt he?!! 


Mancini really the best example you have got to go against a negative minded Italian?
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Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
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Really don't want Di Matteo. He was rubbish for WBA, he's just a good fit for Chelsea. History with the club, and lenient on the super stars. I don't think he would sort out our squad.

I wouldn't mind Di Matteo, he wasn't rubbish at West Brom he got them promoted after getting MK Dons 3rd in the table.
Actually West Brom played some decent football under him and at the time I thought it was an unfair sacking even though they were struggling.

At Chelsea he did what was needed to be done at the time to get the right results, I think even I could stand negative football if we won something.

Spot on, same for me too


to defensive, i'm absolutely pig sick of being bored shitless at Villa Park, sick to death of the dross served up,
 i want someone with an attacking mentality, i'm to old for negative tacktics i want some fun

To say RDM is defensive is based on their CL games.  Chelsea used tactics and a game plan to beat Barca and Bayern, two of the best teams in Europe.  They were hardly defensive when they beat Spurs 5-1 or QPR 6-1.  He would be good for us. 


he's Italian, Negative is there default position
no amount of your stats will change that, there is no such thing as a Italian manager who has the same philosophy on playing football as say Martinez or Rogers or Wenger or Beilsa it just doesnt happen

you can make a case on the internet for him, but in the end he will be defensive, especially if he hasnt got players who are better than the opposition which is what he will have at Villa for the main part

this does not mean he cant be successful, he might even play winning football, but the backbone of his tactics will be negative, and any one that tells you different is talking nonsense

Ahh nothing like a national stereotype!  Mancini was negative in winning in the league and scoring the most goals wasnt he?!! 


Mancini really the best example you have got to go against a negative minded Italian?

It's not a bad one is it when the previous poster said all Italian managers are negative because they are ... Italian, is it?!!
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:19:08 PM
But his natural mentality has been negative since being at City in truth.
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Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
At times yes but you can't do more than win the league and score more goals than anyone else can you?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 27, 2012, 10:24:49 PM
OGS said he would travel straight away if offered the job, and bring with him two coaches and a player.

How anyone surmises he didn't want the job at any point from this I have no idea.

EDIT: more or less what Clampy said.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 27, 2012, 10:26:20 PM
And also, you know, it's probably wrong to give somebody any label based on their nationality. Or maybe I'm just new fashioned.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 10:27:30 PM
Its the same with the anti-Di Matteo lot. He's not negative. He was negative against Barcelona because it was Barcelona and frankly you get pummelled if you try and attack them, in the final he was negative because half the team was suspended or injured. He's no more negative than poyet or Martinez
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 27, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
could the villa be the first prem club to start a season with no manager?
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 27, 2012, 10:31:42 PM
Di Matteo took over a wrecked Chelsea team that had been hammered by Napoli. They won the damn thing against all prediction, including the generally accepted "best team in the world", and the FA Cup. Not pretty, but effective.

He wasn't defensive at MK Dons or West Brom.

Was Tony Barton defensive as we defended for 80 minutes of our European Cup Final?

As for another "defensive" Italian manager, how about that Sacchi team of Gullit, Van Basten, Donadoni and Rijkaard?

Give me strength :-)
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:32:57 PM
Oh the drama. 2 weeks since the last game, 13 days since the manager was sacked, and 10 weeks from the first game. I doubt it.


Rubin Dutt on oddschecker is right down the bottom but has odds of only 9/1. Who the hell is Rubin Dutt!?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 27, 2012, 10:31:42 PM
Di Matteo took over a wrecked Chelsea team that had been hammered by Napoli. They won the damn thing against all prediction, including the generally accepted "best team in the world", and the FA Cup. Not pretty, but effective.

He wasn't defensive at MK Dons or West Brom.

Was Tony Barton defensive as we defended for 80 minutes of our European Cup Final?

As for another "defensive" Italian manager, how about that Sacchi team of Gullit, Van Basten, Donadoni and Rijkaard?

Give me strength :-)

Do you eat Spinach?


I just don't like Di Matteo. Not 1 Albion fan I know wants him back, which says a hell of a lot.
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Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
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OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.
Good day at Trent bridge?

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Rob, an apology or don't bother posting again chap, that sort of abuse is not tolerated.

What did
 he say so wrong?

I apologise for calling him a tawt - is Bozo acceptable? Maybes I should have said in my post please don't respond to this if you are going to denegrate my comments. Think that would have stopped him?
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 08:02:48 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 27, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 27, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
OK here I am going to muddy the waters further. Spoke to Pat Murphy at Trent Bridge today. He does not know who the manager may be but thinks the board are considering DiMatteo in the event Chelsea don't - he wasn'timpressed with the idea. Told him my preference was Lambert. He also mentioned the 30year anniversary of Rotterdam 7yesterday, thought Saunders was brilliant and is a huge fan of Cloughie (no shit). He thinks Lerner is a poor leader and agreed with the line I nicked from someone here - Ellis was a crap owner but a decent chariman whereas LErner is the opposite. And he thought Houllier and McLeish would be car crashes - or maybe that was me telling him they would be.
 

Pat Murphy doesn't know his arse from his elbow. The waters are no more or less muddy than before you posted that.

Fair enough - you obviously know better. TWAT! Seem to remember he broke the O'Neill story and Sky ignored it until he was being driven to the ground.

Do let me know when you have  a better insight.

Blimey. I'm not sure why you took my comments so personally, I was talking about Pat Murphy's lack of inside knowledge, due to not being fed info by Randy. Test was a tad harsh I feel, but thank you for the half-hearted apology. I didn't require one though, you clearly had a long time in the sun today. It's understandable.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 27, 2012, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

How were they outwitted? Molde/Rokke went public with the info, and Rokke kicked up a stink. Villa didn't offer OGS the job and he's ended up staying where he is. I think you're trying to find fault where there is none.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:32:57 PM
Oh the drama. 2 weeks since the last game, 13 days since the manager was sacked, and 10 weeks from the first game. I doubt it.


Rubin Dutt on oddschecker is right down the bottom but has odds of only 9/1. Who the hell is Rubin Dutt!?

Had to Google him myself when I checked the odds earlier. He's the recently-sacked former Bayer Leverkusen coach. Hardly an outstanding candidate.

We should ignore him and go for Rudi Garcia. Rudi can't fail.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

A fiasco that they basically put the emotional heavies on him, his wife said she wanted to stay and they threatened to bring his boyhood club to their knees if he went. And this is something that Randy should have seen coming somehow, even asking to speak to him, getting permission and trying to actually be helpful sending a jet over. Incredible.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Or alternatively, he changed his mind. No outwitting, no fiasco. He changed his mind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.

On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?

On the other hand, Wigan with their squad and resources should be nowhere near the Premiership. To keep them there, no matter how it's done, is a decent achievement. He deserves a crack at a bigger club and I hope it's us. Certainly don't think there are too many better options unless you can offer some?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:40:40 PM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 27, 2012, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:32:57 PM
Oh the drama. 2 weeks since the last game, 13 days since the manager was sacked, and 10 weeks from the first game. I doubt it.


Rubin Dutt on oddschecker is right down the bottom but has odds of only 9/1. Who the hell is Rubin Dutt!?

Had to Google him myself when I checked the odds earlier. He's the recently-sacked former Bayer Leverkusen coach. Hardly an outstanding candidate.

We should ignore him and go for Rudi Garcia. Rudi can't fail.

Thanks mate, recently sacked sounds promising. A bit like the sacked from West Brom Di Matteo. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 10:42:05 PM
Note to others - The OGS non-story, as it is now should not be dominating this thread. It's gone no matter what the story is or is not so can we leave it now? It's just becoming the usual tedious tit for tat argument between the same old people.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Fingers on May 27, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Just think after the two years we have had, getting the bloke who won the FA Cup and European Cup maybe wouldn't be a bad thing for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 27, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 27, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Or alternatively, he changed his mind. No outwitting, no fiasco. He changed his mind.
Yes that is entirely possible however....
Anyway I don't know why I am arguing as I am very pleased he is not here.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 10:47:09 PM
Brian Flies and Henry From are a class above Rubin Dutt in the comedy names stakes. Sums up where the club is heading when we go for 2nd best.*





*joke for those hard of thinking.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 27, 2012, 10:47:20 PM
I wonder if the Faulkner comment about a "vibrant manager" was made with Solskjaer in mind?  Might have made it a bitter harder for themselves with that, because if it isn't somebody like Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers or AVB etc, they're going to look a bit daft.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 27, 2012, 10:48:44 PM
True. But then again I think it will be somebody exactly like that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Rubin Dutt looks as vibrant as Avram Grant. So they could well be looking daft he got the job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 27, 2012, 10:49:55 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.

On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?

On the other hand, Wigan with their squad and resources should be nowhere near the Premiership. To keep them there, no matter how it's done, is a decent achievement. He deserves a crack at a bigger club and I hope it's us. Certainly don't think there are too many better options unless you can offer some?

I wasn't picking a fight, just posing the opposite opinion. He's had three years there and barely moved them on! There are plenty of options and we all have different opinions and that doesn't make any of them wrong or right. I'd be happier with Lambert bearing in mind the type of players he'll inherit as I think he'll get far more from them far more quickly. Ultimately, nobody on here will be making the decision, so our opinions don't really count anyway! Let's hope we get some news this week, hopefully of the good variety.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
just marketing men speak init. I'm surprised he didn't want a manager who's capable of "blue-sky-thinking". God knows how he got the gig at Villa
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Rubin Dutt looks as vibrant as Avram Grant. So they could well be looking daft he got the job.

In fairness, it was only one bookie suggesting Dutt as a possibility when I checked. It would only have needed one decent-sized bet to get him in the market. He may even have used some of his redundancy money betting on himself to try to get himself in the running!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
I agree that the current squad as it is are probably going to perform better for Lambert than Martinez, but I would be more intrigued by what Martinez could build over time with a bigger club. I think Lambert would hit a wall, but I hope to be proved very wrong. I would walk to Norwich to have him over some of the current ones linked.


Re Dutt CD, hope you are right. Anyone who makes me think of Avram Grant when I see them should not be allowed near the Villa job!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?
Yawn.

Yeah we get it you don't like Martinez lol. Why is it when anyone has anything positive to say about Martinez or just merely say he's one of the managers they would like the anti-Martinez brigade (they know who they are) feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions him in a positive light will then start to drone on and on about the same "but his team fight relegation every season!!!" "his team was lucky to win 7 of their last 9 games!!" over and over. It's literally the only thing they mention. What Martinez might do at Wigan does not necessarily mean he will do the same here. No disrespect to Wigan but Villa are a much bigger club with bigger ambitions - I'm sure Martinez will realize this. You've got to think outside the box and see what he could potentially bring. He's still young, still learning and I'm sure he will learn from experience.

David Moyes was managing a championship team before he went and joined Everton. Just some perspective.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JJ-AV on May 27, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
I really think the only candidates who would come without a feeling of deflation after the Solskjaer thing now would be AVB or Martinez. Both are going to be extremely difficult for differing reasons.

It's a difficult one. OGS seemed to be the proper mix of what we were looking for - young, enthusiastic, left-field yet familiar with our supporters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 27, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?
Yawn.

Yeah we get it you don't like Martinez lol. Why is it when anyone has anything positive to say about Martinez or just merely say he's one of the managers I would like the anti-Martinez brigade (they know who they are) feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions him in a positive light will then start to drone on and on about the same "but his team fight relegation every season!!!" "his team was lucky to win 7 of their last 9 games!!" over and over. It's literally the only thing they mention. What Martinez might do at Wigan does not necessarily mean he will do the same here. No disrespect to Wigan but Villa are a much bigger club with bigger ambitions - I'm sure Martinez will realize this. You've got to think outside the box and see what he could potentially bring. He's still young, still learning and I'm sure he will learn from experience.

David Moyes was managing a championship team before he went and joined Everton. Just some perspective.

Yawn!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villain1874 on May 27, 2012, 11:04:30 PM
Hello all....

For me it has to be AVB, he fits the bill, not sure if we could get him though...
Just want positive attacking football back at Villa Park...
Who ever is the Manager is, is going to have to spend wisely and rebuild the team, just hope that Mr Learner decides to splash a little cash this summer..
I'm praying to the footballs Gods that Mr Learner gets it right this time...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?
Yawn.

Yeah we get it you don't like Martinez lol. Why is it when anyone has anything positive to say about Martinez or just merely say he's one of the managers I would like the anti-Martinez brigade (they know who they are) feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions him in a positive light will then start to drone on and on about the same "but his team fight relegation every season!!!" "his team was lucky to win 7 of their last 9 games!!" over and over. It's literally the only thing they mention. What Martinez might do at Wigan does not necessarily mean he will do the same here. No disrespect to Wigan but Villa are a much bigger club with bigger ambitions - I'm sure Martinez will realize this. You've got to think outside the box and see what he could potentially bring. He's still young, still learning and I'm sure he will learn from experience.

David Moyes was managing a championship team before he went and joined Everton. Just some perspective.

Yawn!
Were you in favour of Solskjaer being our manager last week?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 27, 2012, 10:32:57 PM
Oh the drama. 2 weeks since the last game, 13 days since the manager was sacked, and 10 weeks from the first game. I doubt it.


Rubin Dutt on oddschecker is right down the bottom but has odds of only 9/1. Who the hell is Rubin Dutt!?

Did a good job at Frieburg, got them 6th or 7th, moved onto Leverkusen, started off well there, beat Chelsea in the champions league but Barca annihilated them 10-1 on aggregate and it fell apart in the Bundesliga thereafter.

Actually in the Bundesliga is probably my favourite foreign coach is lucien Favre. Took Hertha Berlin to 3rd a couple of seasons ago and was then unfairly sacked (they've been relegated twice since).

Took over Monchengladbach when they were dead and buried at the bottom, kept them up somehow and they finished 4th this season so are in the qualifiers for champions league.

Great coach.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
as Woodhall mentioned, its difficult because you don't know what brief they're working under. If its like Mcleish with free transfers and sell to buy then frankly none of the names fill me with joy but you look at the ones used to that in a better light.  AVB at least probably wouldn't come unless he was promised major funds which unfortuntely is a major plus mark for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 27, 2012, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 27, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: James on May 27, 2012, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 27, 2012, 09:50:24 PM
I think Martinez would be perfect. I mean he's got a rubbish team playing above themselves, has a decent record with developing players (Moses) and is not afraid to have a go against the 'elite' clubs. He's put himself into a position where he's ready for step up. I'd be more than happy given the other candidates out there and seems to fit the bill set out by the board, is passionate and has a very positive attitude.
On the other hand, he avoided relegation this time by an impressive end of season run of 9 games, prior to which he couldn't buy a win. Last season he stayed up purely on the freak results of others on the last day. He organised a minute's applause to celebrate staying in the league. Is that really enough to be in contention for jobs like Villa and Liverpool? If he has another season at Wigwam where they finish nicely mid-table then progress will have been made but everyone is jumping on the last nine games of his three years there and proclaiming him to be a genius,  whereas the vast majority of those years his team has been dire! Two sides to every coin I suppose, three if you look carefully!

EDIT: And a £3m 'transfer' fee and £2m/year wages, very expensive too. Is he really worth that?
Yawn.

Yeah we get it you don't like Martinez lol. Why is it when anyone has anything positive to say about Martinez or just merely say he's one of the managers I would like the anti-Martinez brigade (they know who they are) feel the need to jump down the throat of anyone who mentions him in a positive light will then start to drone on and on about the same "but his team fight relegation every season!!!" "his team was lucky to win 7 of their last 9 games!!" over and over. It's literally the only thing they mention. What Martinez might do at Wigan does not necessarily mean he will do the same here. No disrespect to Wigan but Villa are a much bigger club with bigger ambitions - I'm sure Martinez will realize this. You've got to think outside the box and see what he could potentially bring. He's still young, still learning and I'm sure he will learn from experience.

David Moyes was managing a championship team before he went and joined Everton. Just some perspective.

Yawn!
Were you in favour of Solskjær being our manager last week?

Go and pick a fight with somebody else, I'm not interested!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucien_Favre

Quote
Coaching philosophy- Lucien Favre’s teams play a dynamic, quick and attacking minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. This attractive style of play has brought results in every club he has managed. Furthermore, Favre is very skillful tactically, leaving his opponents struggling to penetrate his well-organized sides.

Lucien Favre is also well known for his ability to develop talented young players and introduce them into the first team. Under his leadership, Blerim Džemaili, Almen Abdi, Steve Von Bergen and Gökhan Inler made their debut with the Swiss national team before signing for foreign clubs. In 2007 FC Zürich became Swiss champions with an average age of twenty-one years and a half.

Blimey, it's like Randy Lerner has gone on his wiki page and edited that himself! ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 27, 2012, 11:29:56 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 27, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
could the villa be the first prem club to start a season with no manager?

It's still May.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DeKuip on May 28, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 27, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
could the villa be the first prem club to start a season with no manager?
Only two years since we last did so!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 12:47:29 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 28, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 27, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
could the villa be the first prem club to start a season with no manager?
Only two years since we last did so!

God I forgot that. Ooops.

The times are saying talks with Benitez have been positive but we want Martinez essentially.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 01:30:36 AM
Well Lambert is now 10/11 and Martinez/Benitez 13/2. You pays yer money and you takes yer chance!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KRS on May 28, 2012, 01:34:31 AM
They were saying on Talkshite earlier that it could be Southgate and KMac in charge. Dont know if they have some kind of information of whats going on behind the scenes or not but I hope its not true.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2012, 01:58:58 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 28, 2012, 01:34:31 AM
They were saying on Talkshite earlier that it could be Southgate and KMac in charge. Dont know if they have some kind of information of whats going on behind the scenes or not but I hope its not true.

Couple of Sunday papers reporting that, so that's probably where they have got that from.  Southgate was interviewed on Central News earlier in the week and said that he was settled in his FA role.   
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Sunday People
Aston Villa chief lines up Gareth Southgate and Kevin MacDonald as next manager team

May 27 2012 By Dave Kidd

GARETH SOUTHGATE and Kevin MacDonald are tipped to form an unlikely managerial team at Aston Villa.
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The duo are serious candidates to replace axed Alex McLeish, with former Villa skipper Southgate - currently the FA's head of elite development - enjoying an excellent relationship with popular Villa coach MacDonald.

First choice Roberto Martinez is not likely to take the post, even if he misses out on the Liverpool job he was interviewed for this week.

Paul Lambert is another contender but he's increasingly reluctant to leave Norwich after Villa owner Randy Lerner discussed the position with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Lambert believed he and Martinez were the only two names in the frame i h f and it is now by no means certain he would accept the Villa job.

Southgate has yet to agree a role as the FA's new technical director and although his one previous managerial position saw him suffer relegation at Middlesbrough, he was a hero in his playing days at Villa.

The 41-year-old (right) currently combines his elite development role with work as an ITV pundit and has been earmarked for the new technical director's job which would see him working at the new National Football Centre at Burton. Villa would like MacDonald, a former caretaker boss who has helped develop many of the club's younger players as reserve team chief and first-team coach, to have a senior role in the next regime.

MacDonald is popular with the players and enjoyed a spell in temporary charge before Gerard Houllier's appointment in 2010.

But the Scot would prefer a No.2 role rather than taking the top job himself.

Solskjaer snubbed Villa last weekend to stay at Norwegian club Molde, just as Martinez turned them down to remain at Wigan last summer. Villa still want Martinez but their patience is fast running out, as the Spaniard waits to hear whether he will be offered the Liverpool job.

Lambert was favourite to succeed McLeish and Norwich players were convinced he was set to leave after their final game of the season, when they ironically defeated Villa, who sacked McLeish the following day.

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The Canaries boss was unhappy about a squeeze on finances at Carrow Road, which led to striker Grant Holt handing in a transfer request last week.

But that situation looks like being resolved with a new deal for Holt, the club's top scorer last term.

Former Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez remains keen on the Villa job and has been heavily backed by punters in recent days.

Yet Villa are seriously considering Southgate, a rank outsider with the bookies, to take over at the club he played for between 1995 and 2001.

linky (http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2012/05/27/aston-villa-chief-lines-up-gareth-southgate-and-kevin-macdonald-as-next-manager-team-102039-23876048/)
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Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2012, 04:04:06 AM
The fact several papers are all reporting different candidates tells you all you need to know - none of them know anything.
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 06:29:46 AM
I think we are waiting on martinez to get back to us in the next 48 hours , possibly today , if he has scope to spend at least £12m and is given time to revamp things i believe he will take the villa job , although by no means are liverpool yet out of the picture.

Seems wigan are trying to offer general manager kevin reeves a better deal to try and stop him leaving with martinez, certainly believe we are approaching the end game in our search for a manager, with a back up option in place should martinez refuse.
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Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2012, 06:56:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: Sunday People
Aston Villa chief lines up Gareth Southgate and Kevin MacDonald as next manager team

May 27 2012 By Dave Kidd

GARETH SOUTHGATE and Kevin MacDonald are tipped to form an unlikely managerial team at Aston Villa.
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The duo are serious candidates to replace axed Alex McLeish, with former Villa skipper Southgate - currently the FA's head of elite development - enjoying an excellent relationship with popular Villa coach MacDonald.

First choice Roberto Martinez is not likely to take the post, even if he misses out on the Liverpool job he was interviewed for this week.

Paul Lambert is another contender but he's increasingly reluctant to leave Norwich after Villa owner Randy Lerner discussed the position with Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

Lambert believed he and Martinez were the only two names in the frame i h f and it is now by no means certain he would accept the Villa job.

Southgate has yet to agree a role as the FA's new technical director and although his one previous managerial position saw him suffer relegation at Middlesbrough, he was a hero in his playing days at Villa.

The 41-year-old (right) currently combines his elite development role with work as an ITV pundit and has been earmarked for the new technical director's job which would see him working at the new National Football Centre at Burton. Villa would like MacDonald, a former caretaker boss who has helped develop many of the club's younger players as reserve team chief and first-team coach, to have a senior role in the next regime.

MacDonald is popular with the players and enjoyed a spell in temporary charge before Gerard Houllier's appointment in 2010.

But the Scot would prefer a No.2 role rather than taking the top job himself.

Solskjær snubbed Villa last weekend to stay at Norwegian club Molde, just as Martinez turned them down to remain at Wigan last summer. Villa still want Martinez but their patience is fast running out, as the Spaniard waits to hear whether he will be offered the Liverpool job.

Lambert was favourite to succeed McLeish and Norwich players were convinced he was set to leave after their final game of the season, when they ironically defeated Villa, who sacked McLeish the following day.

Outsider

The Canaries boss was unhappy about a squeeze on finances at Carrow Road, which led to striker Grant Holt handing in a transfer request last week.

But that situation looks like being resolved with a new deal for Holt, the club's top scorer last term.

Former Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez remains keen on the Villa job and has been heavily backed by punters in recent days.

Yet Villa are seriously considering Southgate, a rank outsider with the bookies, to take over at the club he played for between 1995 and 2001.

linky (http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2012/05/27/aston-villa-chief-lines-up-gareth-southgate-and-kevin-macdonald-as-next-manager-team-102039-23876048/)
What a terrible write up. So Lambert believed he was the only contender with RM. What made up rubbish. I doubt he has ever said that at all, why would he? Which then makes me believe if that part is made up then so is the rest.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 06:59:10 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 06:29:46 AM
I think we are waiting on martinez to get back to us in the next 48 hours , possibly today , if he has scope to spend at least £12m and is given time to revamp things i believe he will take the villa job , although by no means are liverpool yet out of the picture.

Seems wigan are trying to offer general manager kevin reeves a better deal to try and stop him leaving with martinez, certainly believe we are approaching the end game in our search for a manager, with a back up option in place should martinez refuse.



Hunch or more?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 28, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
Let's hope the People are wrong.
Southgate's Managerial record is chronic.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 07:05:27 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 06:59:10 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 06:29:46 AM
I think we are waiting on martinez to get back to us in the next 48 hours , possibly today , if he has scope to spend at least £12m and is given time to revamp things i believe he will take the villa job , although by no means are liverpool yet out of the picture.

Seems wigan are trying to offer general manager kevin reeves a better deal to try and stop him leaving with martinez, certainly believe we are approaching the end game in our search for a manager, with a back up option in place should martinez refuse.



Hunch or more?

he had a pm.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 28, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
Let's hope the People are wrong.
Southgate's Managerial record is chronic.

It's not that bad.
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Post by: asgpaul on May 28, 2012, 07:29:53 AM
I can appreciate the frustration regarding what seems to be a delay in getting a new man in, but none of us, like the press, really know what's going on behind the scenes.  I'd rather some time is taken in getting the right man in place this time, and the fact that OGS was on the radar does at least, hopefully, show some indication of what the school of thought is at B6.

There is a hell of a lot of speculation, certainly in the press who clearly are rather clueless regarding, which is no bad thing.  I would like to see a new man in sooner rather than later but we have time on our side and I'd rather all options be weighed up properly this time.

For me, Randy sent out a positive message with his swift actions in sacking McLeish, the timing of which has afforded us the best possible time scale to conduct a search and consider all possible candidates, I know people are concerned with regard to who that might be, but taking time over the decision is no bad thing and as stated, the OGS link had many of us buzzing for quite sometime so it might be no bad thing to ignore the speculation and keep the glass half full rather than half empty.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 28, 2012, 07:44:33 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 07:14:00 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 28, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
Let's hope the People are wrong.
Southgate's Managerial record is chronic.

It's not that bad.

19th with Boro, relegation and at one point they only had one win in 18 games.
Even worse than McLeish.
If he wasn't an ex-Villa player the suggestion would be roundly laughed at.
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:44:55 AM
Prefer not to elaborate oz, too many knockers around!
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 07:55:16 AM
Southgate down to 10-1 from 33's. Lambert evens now. Martinez/Benitez 5-1. Money still going on Lambert then.
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Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:44:55 AM
Prefer not to elaborate oz, too many knockers around!

I think Eastie has been watching Benny Hill re-runs again.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 07:59:02 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 07:55:16 AM
Southgate down to 10-1 from 33's. Lambert evens now. Martinez/Benitez 5-1. Money still going on Lambert then.

I would put money on Southgate if I could, there's just something about it that seems credible.
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:44:55 AM
Prefer not to elaborate oz, too many knockers around!

I think Eastie has been watching Benny Hill re-runs again.

Morning clamps!
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Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 08:17:43 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:44:55 AM
Prefer not to elaborate oz, too many knockers around!

I think Eastie has been watching Benny Hill re-runs again.

Dont worry clampy, for a man who stated on friday our midfield and defence are mostly fine i dont take what you have to say seriously!
Anyway On the subject of tits how are you today clamps!

It was a joke based on the word 'knockers'  but it went over your head by the look of it.

On the subject of tit bits, how is your transatlantic source today?
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Sorry clamps , bit tired this morning as you can see edited and apologies to you , nice joke about muddy waters by the way!

Expecting developments in next 48 hrs regarding martinez decision, i dont think benitez or southgate are targets, but wouldnt totally rule out lambert .
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Sorry clamps , bit tired this morning as you can see edited and apologies to you , nice joke about muddy waters by the way!

Expecting developments in next 48 hrs regarding martinez decision, i dont think benitez or southgate are targets, but wouldnt totally rule out lambert .

so in other words you've go no more idea than anyone else.
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Sorry clamps , bit tired this morning as you can see edited and apologies to you , nice joke about muddy waters by the way!

Expecting developments in next 48 hrs regarding martinez decision, i dont think benitez or southgate are targets, but wouldnt totally rule out lambert .

so in other words you've go no more idea than anyone else.

I would say if martinez wants it,I think he will get it, if  not lambert probably will, in my opinion.
Or arent we allowed to give our opinions on here without your constant sniping at people?
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Post by: Dave on May 28, 2012, 08:49:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Sorry clamps , bit tired this morning as you can see edited and apologies to you , nice joke about muddy waters by the way!

Expecting developments in next 48 hrs regarding martinez decision, i dont think benitez or southgate are targets, but wouldnt totally rule out lambert .

so in other words you've go no more idea than anyone else.
Can you not read? I would say if martinez wants it, he will get it, if  not lambert probably will, instead of constant sniping at peoples posts, who do you think it will be?
So...no, you haven't got any more idea than anyone else?
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Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
Quote from: Dave on May 28, 2012, 08:49:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 28, 2012, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 08:25:55 AM
Sorry clamps , bit tired this morning as you can see edited and apologies to you , nice joke about muddy waters by the way!

Expecting developments in next 48 hrs regarding martinez decision, i dont think benitez or southgate are targets, but wouldnt totally rule out lambert .



so in other words you've go no more idea than anyone else.
Can you not read? I would say if martinez wants it, he will get it, if  not lambert probably will, instead of constant sniping at peoples posts, who do you think it will be?
So...no, you haven't got any more idea than anyone else?

Wait and see dave, wait and see!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
I will say that if Martinez has had offers from Villa and Liverpool he would be absolutely crazy to stay at Wigan again, whether he is loyal or not.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:52:54 AM
Come on Dave, go easy it is a Monday morning. If Martinez is in by this time on Wednesday at least we will have something different to think about.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Martinez will come to us only a second option if he does not get the scouse job, and if indeed he parts company with Wigan. Benitez is cheap cos he has no baggage. Southgate will have to give up his lucrative TV work. and I'd rather hear his in depth analysis of others failures rather than be elaborating on his own shortcomings. Hoddle, dear God!?
That leaves Lambert who has done a good job of work, and can do better with us,  unless he decides to stay with the Cannaries; and Benitez as very good second choice. The others can take a short walk.
Lambert or Benitez imo. I'd be happy with either!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2012, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Martinez will come to us only a second option if he does not get the scouse job, and if indeed he parts company with Wigan. Benitez is cheap cos he has no baggage. Southgate will have to give up his lucrative TV work. and I'd rather hear his in depth analysis of others failures rather than be elaborating on his own shortcomings. Hoddle, dear God!?
That leaves Lambert who has done a good job of work, and can do better with us,  unless he decides to stay with the Cannaries; and Benitez as very good second choice. The others can take a short walk.
Lambert or Benitez imo. I'd be happy with either!

Benitez is cheap? And no baggage? Unless it isn't Rafa Benitez you're referring to. The Benitez I'm referring to walks around with the tagline, "I won't be cheap and I have an airline's worth of baggage, please hire me" after his name.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 28, 2012, 09:08:13 AM
If it's true that Swansea have had a bid accepted for the Icelandic midfielder, I can't see Rodgers going anywhere.

Sorry, not attempting the spelling.
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Post by: big ronsjeweller on May 28, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
This is getting irritating now.... get that young Ray Graydon in as soon as possible!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 28, 2012, 09:44:19 AM
Be interesting to gauge the reaction if Martinez arrives. Most people were underwhelmed when we approached him last summer, then he turned us down, but a lot of things have happened since last summer.

I suppose he fits in the "doesn't look a bad punt when you've got no money" catagory along with Rodgers and Lambert, and with our board it would be a relief to get someone reasonably steady-looking in place.
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Post by: TRO on May 28, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
Never put this on before as I was asked not to ......... but it is a year on.

From someone ITK, as you know Martinez has heavy connections with Walsall area and friends.

Martinez said "Yes" last year ................... Whelan scuppered it with the compo demands which were too heavy for a young manager.

The "turning us down" story was a concoction to protect reputations.

I might have to take this off if I get a bollocking phone call, put it like that.
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Post by: CJ on May 28, 2012, 09:51:55 AM
According to Blabbermouth in a Grauniad article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/27/liverpool-roberto-martinez-wigan-athletic), Martinez is talking to Liverpool again tomorrow. I think the hitch there may be whether Liverpool are planning to replace Commoli with another DoF - if so I don't think Martinez will take the job as he seems to like total control. Hence the press conference tomorrow. If he doesn't take the Liverpool job I'd love to see him at Villa, although the Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/wigan-will-spend-big-money-to-try-850354) (I know, complete with no quotes) reckon Whelan will give him whatever he wants to keep him at Wigan
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Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Whelan won't give him anything but a nice send off and some thanks for the millions in compensation he's just snaffled. Then he'll appoint some promising Championship manager.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
So, who do we think we can rule out so far?

OGS
Martinez (press conference at Wigan's ground strongly suggests he's staying)
Lambert (we've not made contact, so unlikely to do so this late in the game)
Rodgers (turned down talks with Liverpool, so would do the sane with us)

If the above is right and considering the criteria we think they're using, I'd say that leaves Poyet, AVB or another overseas condidate we're unaware of right now.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 28, 2012, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
So, who do we think we can rule out so far?

OGS
Martinez (press conference at Wigan's ground strongly suggests he's staying)
Lambert (we've not made contact, so unlikely to do so this late in the game)
Rodgers (turned down talks with Liverpool, so would do the sane with us)

If the above is right and considering the criteria we think they're using, I'd say that leaves Poyet, AVB or another overseas condidate we're unaware of right now.


think thats a decent assesment. Of course he could have interviewed any number of unemployed guys without it appearing on the radar. if we'd approached poyet i reckon we'd know by now.
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Post by: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
So, who do we think we can rule out so far?

OGS
Martinez (press conference at Wigan's ground strongly suggests he's staying)
Lambert (we've not made contact, so unlikely to do so this late in the game)
Rodgers (turned down talks with Liverpool, so would do the sane with us)

If the above is right and considering the criteria we think they're using, I'd say that leaves Poyet, AVB or another overseas condidate we're unaware of right now.

I think the only ones definitely out of the frame are OGS, who has ruled himself out, and Rodgers who looks like staying at Swansea.  I still think everything hinges on the Martinez/Liverpool situation - if Martinez doesn't take the Liverpool job I think we'll go in for him, if he does take the job I think we'll try for Lambert or other people such as Poyet. I just feel that Martinez was one of the leading 'other candidates' in the running when we talked to OGS
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Post by: Jarpie on May 28, 2012, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
So, who do we think we can rule out so far?

OGS
Martinez (press conference at Wigan's ground strongly suggests he's staying)
Lambert (we've not made contact, so unlikely to do so this late in the game)
Rodgers (turned down talks with Liverpool, so would do the sane with us)

If the above is right and considering the criteria we think they're using, I'd say that leaves Poyet, AVB or another overseas condidate we're unaware of right now.

I think RL and PF are this time looking outside UK, which is a good thing imo.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Hindsight being 20/20 vision and all that, but I definitely think it could have been handled better.

Imagine how easy that conversation was for Rokke:  "So they have left you to face this shitstorm at home, with questions from the media every five minutes about your future and they haven't even offered you the job?   You are just one of a number of candidates?   Doesn't sound like they are serious.  Here's a new salary at x amount per annum, and here's some extra cash for our CL campaign."
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Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2012, 10:18:52 AM
Clearly by now we have done a deal with Norwich and Lambert is on his way. I  don't see why we are keeping it a secret?
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Martinez will come to us only a second option if he does not get the scouse job, and if indeed he parts company with Wigan. Benitez is cheap cos he has no baggage. Southgate will have to give up his lucrative TV work. and I'd rather hear his in depth analysis of others failures rather than be elaborating on his own shortcomings. Hoddle, dear God!?
That leaves Lambert who has done a good job of work, and can do better with us,  unless he decides to stay with the Cannaries; and Benitez as very good second choice. The others can take a short walk.
Lambert or Benitez imo. I'd be happy with either!

Benitez is cheap? And no baggage? Unless it isn't Rafa Benitez you're referring to. The Benitez I'm referring to walks around with the tagline, "I won't be cheap and I have an airline's worth of baggage, please hire me" after his name.
OK..He lives in UK, the Wirral I believe, and there is no compo to pay; ergo cheap! I do not mean he will be inexpensive!
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Post by: DeKuip on May 28, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
From my experience as a football administrator you give it so long for the right candidate to come forward and when it's clear you're getting nowhere you then starting talking to the players' dads. It takes a fair bit of persuasion but eventually you get one of dads to agree to go on a coaching course and take the job on.
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Post by: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 28, 2012, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

Do you want red sauce, brown sauce or no sauce at all?
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 28, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
The stand out candidate of the names being banded about is Rafa
Get him in, get it done
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Post by: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful
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Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Hindsight being 20/20 vision and all that, but I definitely think it could have been handled better.

Imagine how easy that conversation was for Rokke:  "So they have left you to face this shitstorm at home, with questions from the media every five minutes about your future and they haven't even offered you the job?   You are just one of a number of candidates?   Doesn't sound like they are serious.  Here's a new salary at x amount per annum, and here's some extra cash for our CL campaign."

Do you both honestly think that is the sole cause of Solskjaer withdrawing from the reckoning? You honestly think he used his family as an excuse to stay loyal to Molde, when he could have just said that if it were the case? Come on.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 28, 2012, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 28, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
From my experience as a football administrator you give it so long for the right candidate to come forward and when it's clear you're getting nowhere you then starting talking to the players' dads. It takes a fair bit of persuasion but eventually you get one of dads to agree to go on a coaching course and take the job on.

Can we sign one of Mourinho's kids then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: citizenDJ on May 28, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
So, who do we think we can rule out so far?

OGS
Martinez (press conference at Wigan's ground strongly suggests he's staying)
Lambert (we've not made contact, so unlikely to do so this late in the game)
Rodgers (turned down talks with Liverpool, so would do the sane with us)

If the above is right and considering the criteria we think they're using, I'd say that leaves Poyet, AVB or another overseas condidate we're unaware of right now.

I think the 'press conference at DW Stadium' is just something someone made up, isn't it?
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2012, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
Martinez will come to us only a second option if he does not get the scouse job, and if indeed he parts company with Wigan. Benitez is cheap cos he has no baggage. Southgate will have to give up his lucrative TV work. and I'd rather hear his in depth analysis of others failures rather than be elaborating on his own shortcomings. Hoddle, dear God!?
That leaves Lambert who has done a good job of work, and can do better with us,  unless he decides to stay with the Cannaries; and Benitez as very good second choice. The others can take a short walk.
Lambert or Benitez imo. I'd be happy with either!

Benitez is cheap? And no baggage? Unless it isn't Rafa Benitez you're referring to. The Benitez I'm referring to walks around with the tagline, "I won't be cheap and I have an airline's worth of baggage, please hire me" after his name.
OK..He lives in UK, the Wirral I believe, and there is no compo to pay; ergo cheap! I do not mean he will be inexpensive!

Benitez for his wage and transfer demands will be the most demanding and expensive of everyone on the current list of those being linked with us. He'd also bolt quickly to a bigger job should one become available. My personal opinion, for all of his qualifications which looked upon impartially make him appear one of the more attractive and qualified candidates also makes his possible candidacy the most volatile and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Hindsight being 20/20 vision and all that, but I definitely think it could have been handled better.

Imagine how easy that conversation was for Rokke:  "So they have left you to face this shitstorm at home, with questions from the media every five minutes about your future and they haven't even offered you the job?   You are just one of a number of candidates?   Doesn't sound like they are serious.  Here's a new salary at x amount per annum, and here's some extra cash for our CL campaign."

Do you both honestly think that is the sole cause of Solskjær withdrawing from the reckoning? You honestly think he used his family as an excuse to stay loyal to Molde, when he could have just said that if it were the case? Come on.

He's unlikely to come out and say he's only staying for the pay rise now, is he?

I'm not saying that the concerns about family were entirely made up, in the for and against column, that would have most likely been near the top in the latter section. 

In the end, we made it easy for him (and Rokke) by not following through on our interest with a concrete offer. The preliminary talks could have been done over the phone (maybe some were), advisors could have met in Norway (or Brum). Ostentatious displays like the private jet going over (and Norwegian media had photos of it, so it wasn't only  that bloke on VT who knew)  should have been the very final stage, when we knew we had our man and he was signing on the dotted line. To send him back after that to face another 2/3 games for his current club is vaguely in the ballpark (but by no means identical)  to Paul Ince holding aloft a Man U shirt whilst still a West Ham player.   It looks bad, a valuable and popular employee of one club caught out, flirting with another.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 11:06:12 AM
Solskjaer gave the sequence of events as talking with his family, deciding it wasn't for him, telling Randy such on Tuesday morning, then going to meet Rokke to see if they could continue at Molde (by all accounts, Solskjaer would like to remain managing Molde if he's not leaving Kristiansund). Rokke presumably couldn't believe his luck and agreed.

Now, I'm not saying we should take everything everyone says at face value. In this case, however, there seems very little reason to doubt him. His previous comments leaked to the press - by Rokke, as it happens - were that he would take the Villa job if offered, and that was well after he fully understood that it was an interview process. I think, other than his family considerations, he would have jumped at any offer from us. I've often criticised the board for the way they've gone about their business, but everyone seems a bit guiltless here. Looking for fires where there is no smoke is not a productive activity. Let's move on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2012, 11:14:08 AM
The bit I don't get about the whole OGS thing is why it took until the Tuesday to decide that family reasons meant he couldn't take the job.  We flew him over on the Friday, so you have to assume we initially spoke to him at least a day or two before that.  No facotors that effect the family would have changed in that time, so why on the Tuesday did it become a bad idea?

If he and his wife wanted to stay in Norway until their kids are a bit older, which is perfectly reasonable, they would have known that before they got on the plane.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
I'm still curious with the line about the board being delighted with the level of interest. Maybe it's people that they never suspected would be interested like AVB?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2012, 11:18:59 AM
I initially dismissed AVB as a highly unlikely candidate, but with each day that passes I can't help thinking it gets more and more likely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 11:14:08 AM
The bit I don't get about the whole OGS thing is why it took until the Tuesday to decide that family reasons meant he couldn't take the job.  We flew him over on the Friday, so you have to assume we initially spoke to him at least a day or two before that.  No facotors that effect the family would have changed in that time, so why on the Tuesday did it become a bad idea?

If he and his wife wanted to stay in Norway until their kids are a bit older, which is perfectly reasonable, they would have known that before they got on the plane.

Maybe they hadn't anticipated interesting offers like Villa this early in his managerial career. Baggies etc would be easy enough to reject, but Villa? More interesting. As it was, they decided that keeping their family at home was more important than Ole's career moves at this stage.

As for why it took so long? Who the hell knows. It can take all sorts of people all sorts of different lengths of time to make important life decisions. When it involves kids, you certainly don't want to rush it. With that in mind, Thursday to Monday night isn't that long, especially with a game in between occupying lots of OGS' time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2012, 11:22:47 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 11:18:59 AM
I initially dismissed AVB as a highly unlikely candidate, but with each day that passes I can't help thinking it gets more and more likely.

I never dismissed him and thought he fits every criteria set or supposedly set. I've no idea if we've sounded him out or not but think it would be daft not to.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
The fact AVB has applied for the Anderlecht job makes him obtainable for me. I think we could definately get him if our 'project' is right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 28, 2012, 10:30:20 AM
The stand out candidate of the names being banded about is Rafa
Get him in, get it done

All the Liverpool fans I know want Rafa back and gutted it could be RM and maybe If he was going to be Villas manager , that would tell me he would have some funds to spend .  He won't be able to waste it as much like at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' .  Still not sure I want him thou
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Jimbo on May 28, 2012, 11:26:40 AM
If AVB is in the frame I'd be very happy with that. Chelsea wasn't the right club for him. He needs to be given time to build an ethos and a long term strategy. He'll want to make his own team. He won't find a better opportunity to do that in a big league than with us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
He applied for Anderlecht?  I hadn't heard that!

I think we'll need to provide him with cash do build up the squad as he wants, but if that money is available I agree we'd be daft not to be considering him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 11:06:12 AM
Solskjær gave the sequence of events as talking with his family, deciding it wasn't for him, telling Randy such on Tuesday morning, then going to meet Rokke to see if they could continue at Molde (by all accounts, Solskjær would like to remain managing Molde if he's not leaving Kristiansund). Rokke presumably couldn't believe his luck and agreed.

Now, I'm not saying we should take everything everyone says at face value. In this case, however, there seems very little reason to doubt him. His previous comments leaked to the press - by Rokke, as it happens - were that he would take the Villa job if offered, and that was well after he fully understood that it was an interview process. I think, other than his family considerations, he would have jumped at any offer from us. I've often criticised the board for the way they've gone about their business, but everyone seems a bit guiltless here. Looking for fires where there is no smoke is not a productive activity. Let's move on.

His personal circumstances/ family upheaval would have been another reason to iron out as many of the details before the jet went over.  Had the negotiations gone on for a number of weeks the family would have had ample opportunity to get their head around it (or not, as the case might be). 

As it is, we now have a situation where two relatively inexperienced managers in two years have been seen to publicly turn us down (or wish to not be considered amongst the other candidates even before an offer is made, still a rejection of US, if not specifically a rejection of a job offer).

Personally, in the case of OGS, I'm not particularly distraught.  The thinking behind it smacked to me of what Sunderland tried to do with Roy Keane, or Boro did with Brian Robson, namely a failing/ unfashionable club trying to boost their profile by appointing a well known player.    I accept I might be in the minority on that one, as the link did seem to capture the imagination of many around here. 

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
I think we should definitely be in for AVB and I think he'd be another who would unite the fanbase and would be a terrific appointment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: nick harper on May 28, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful

I think he's right up there unfortunately. He won't get the Chelsea job and it feels like we are just biding our time. I've no evidence for this, just a gut feeling.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 11:06:12 AM
Solskjær gave the sequence of events as talking with his family, deciding it wasn't for him, telling Randy such on Tuesday morning, then going to meet Rokke to see if they could continue at Molde (by all accounts, Solskjær would like to remain managing Molde if he's not leaving Kristiansund). Rokke presumably couldn't believe his luck and agreed.

Now, I'm not saying we should take everything everyone says at face value. In this case, however, there seems very little reason to doubt him. His previous comments leaked to the press - by Rokke, as it happens - were that he would take the Villa job if offered, and that was well after he fully understood that it was an interview process. I think, other than his family considerations, he would have jumped at any offer from us. I've often criticised the board for the way they've gone about their business, but everyone seems a bit guiltless here. Looking for fires where there is no smoke is not a productive activity. Let's move on.

His personal circumstances/ family upheaval would have been another reason to iron out as many of the details before the jet went over.  Had the negotiations gone on for a number of weeks the family would have had ample opportunity to get their head around it (or not, as the case might be). 

I don't doubt that, but we would still have been turned down - for family reasons.

We have no idea as to the sequence of events, other than what OGS says, which is that his first contact with Lerner was when he agreed to be flown over. It must have all happened very quickly and then, not by our doing, publicly. It was a similar situation last year, where Wheel-him-out-for-a-quote told the press were we speaking to Martinez, not us.

We've been turned down by two managers where our interest shouldn't have made it to press, and both times it wasn't our doing - but maybe we were also turned down by other inexperienced and experienced managers in confidence, where the press didn't get wind of it. Maybe we passed over candidates many on here would have gone for over McLeish. The point is, we cannot know, so speculation is utterly futile.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: John M on May 28, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
He applied for Anderlecht?  I hadn't heard that!

Which is almost word for word what his agent said yesterday in the press.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 28, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful

I think he's right up there unfortunately. He won't get the Chelsea job and it feels like we are just biding our time. I've no evidence for this, just a gut feeling.

Also if Chelsea thought he was any good ,especially after winning 2 cups they would keep him. Doesnt bode well  :-\
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: IFWaters on May 28, 2012, 12:01:38 PM
I think of all the candidates I LIKE AVB the most as it fits the ethos of building something over time.

Is anyone else concerned though that they just find it 'neat' that his name incorporates or club name and that his initials would work so well ? Is it just this ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 28, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful

I think he's right up there unfortunately. He won't get the Chelsea job and it feels like we are just biding our time. I've no evidence for this, just a gut feeling.

Also if Chelsea thought he was any good ,especially after winning 2 cups they would keep him. Doesnt bode well  :-\

Chelsea want Guardiola, hence the delay in moving RDM out.  As soon as they do he'll be facing the cameras at B6 before you know it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pedro25 on May 28, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
I get more of a feeling it will be RDM rather than AVB or RM.  Poyet would be my outside bet and Grayson my least favourite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 28, 2012, 12:25:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

I'm going to have to have another barley sugar. All this travelling is making me feel unwell.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
They will have been warned well away from di Matteo by the local press, and anyone else who's dealt with him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
1. AVB
2. Lambert
3. Poyet
4. FSW
5. guardiola


for me ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: nick harper on May 28, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful

I think he's right up there unfortunately. He won't get the Chelsea job and it feels like we are just biding our time. I've no evidence for this, just a gut feeling.

Might be worth a lazy tenner.

His contract is due to expire there on June 20th.  Ideally we'd want a manager in before then, but with the Euros coming up, that normally results in a knock on delay to the transfer market anyroad.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2012, 12:33:43 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 28, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
I get more of a feeling it will be RDM rather than AVB or RM.  Poyet would be my outside bet and Grayson my least favourite.

Over the past week or so, I too have started to believe more and more that it will be RDM.  I just feel that everything going quiet over the past few days could be an indication that the heirarchy at the club are waiting for Chelsea's decision before they make their move.

Despite his achievements with Chelsea, I still think RDM would be an average appointment at best.  He would still represent an improvement on McLeish, but that would be about it. 

ps.  I still haven't forgiven him for scoring the winning goal against us in the FA Cup final in 2000!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
They will have been warned well away from di Matteo by the local press, and anyone else who's dealt with him.


Let's hope they take that advice on board.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 28, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
AVB is mentioned a lot and lots of people would welcome him - so why is he not on the poll?

If he came there are many plus points - do you think our fans would buy into the long term strategy or would they be on his back straight away?

On TS - Durham calls him useless (pot meet kettle i think) Andy Jacobs who is a Cheslea fan at least said that his team selections ranged from strange to madness - hell even TSM outwitted him at Stamford bridge!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 28, 2012, 12:50:56 PM
AVB is mentioned a lot and lots of people would welcome him - so why is he not on the poll?

If he came there are many plus points - do you think our fans would buy into the long term strategy or would they be on his back straight away?

On TS - Durham calls him useless (pot meet kettle i think) Andy Jacobs who is a Cheslea fan at least said that his team selections ranged from strange to madness - hell even TSM outwitted him at Stamford bridge!

What do the Porto fans think?

I find it hard to judge him on Chelsea as he was trying to get rid of the old guard and their influence, as per Abramovich's brief. It was the near impossible job.

However, when they did go back to the old guard then they won the CL so its a tough one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 28, 2012, 11:36:54 AM
Quote from: nick harper on May 28, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 28, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Quote from: Des Little on May 28, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
It's going to be be Di Matteo.  If it's not him I'll eat my shorts.

If it IS Di Matteo I'll eat my shorts! John Terry was manager at Chelski, and RDM's record in the PL for the Boggies was woeful

I think he's right up there unfortunately. He won't get the Chelsea job and it feels like we are just biding our time. I've no evidence for this, just a gut feeling.

Also if Chelsea thought he was any good ,especially after winning 2 cups they would keep him. Doesnt bode well  :-\

He's not a big enough name for Chelsea though, you know what Ambramovich is like.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2012, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
1. AVB
2. Lambert
3. Poyet
4. FSW
5. guardiola


for me ;)
I'll probably kick myself for asking, but, who's FSW?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
They will have been warned well away from di Matteo by the local press, and anyone else who's dealt with him.

Was he that much of an arse to deal with?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2012, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
1. AVB
2. Lambert
3. Poyet
4. FSW
5. guardiola


for me ;)
I'll probably kick myself for asking, but, who's FSW?

Fat Spanish Waiter = Rafa Benitez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
They will have been warned well away from di Matteo by the local press, and anyone else who's dealt with him.

Was he that much of an arse to deal with?

Apparently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Still fancy Poyet. Martinez is really intriguing and I would love us to play like he can get his side playing but I don't think he is going to come, so rule him out to be honest!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Does it matter how arsey he is in the press if he get's results? Lambert is meant to be 'awkward' with the National press...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2012, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
1. AVB
2. Lambert
3. Poyet
4. FSW
5. guardiola


for me ;)
I'll probably kick myself for asking, but, who's FSW?

Fat Spanish Waiter = Rafa Benitez.

And is right up there with "'The Mighty Reds YNWA'" in terms of how much it irritates me. Mind you, everything is irritating me of late.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Still fancy Poyet. Martinez is really intriguing and I would love us to play like he can get his side playing but I don't think he is going to come, so rule him out to be honest!

Well, it should be relatively straightforward, after all, our defence has spent two years playing like his defences do - poorly.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 28, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 28, 2012, 12:57:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
1. AVB
2. Lambert
3. Poyet
4. FSW
5. guardiola


for me ;)
I'll probably kick myself for asking, but, who's FSW?

Fat Spanish Waiter = Rafa Benitez.

And is right up there with "'The Mighty Reds YNWA'" in terms of how much it irritates me. Mind you, everything is irritating me of late.

No, I agree with that. It's a generally prejudiced and ill-educated nickname for someone. Still, there we go.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 28, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Still fancy Poyet. Martinez is really intriguing and I would love us to play like he can get his side playing but I don't think he is going to come, so rule him out to be honest!

Well, it should be relatively straightforward, after all, our defence has spent two years playing like his defences do - poorly.
I like Martinez's attacking play, especially towards the end of a season, I just can't see him coming here if Liverpool are interested.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: drisaac on May 28, 2012, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
They will have been warned well away from di Matteo by the local press, and anyone else who's dealt with him.

Was he that much of an arse to deal with?

Apparently.

Well they made the last appointment with their fingers in their ears, completely ignoring the warnings, so expect di Matteo to be "unveiled" tomorrow.

About the only good thing you could say about our last manager was that he seemed like a nice bloke, and was easy to deal with.  It's not exactly the most important factor when deciding whether to appoint someone as a football manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: CJ on May 28, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Does it matter how arsey he is in the press if he get's results? Lambert is meant to be 'awkward' with the National press...

The point is though with Albion RDM didn't get results in the PL. He was good for them in the Championship but in the Prem he only got 26 points from 25  games (TSM form!) hence why they sacked him last February. I'd be really worried if he came to us
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 28, 2012, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Does it matter how arsey he is in the press if he get's results? Lambert is meant to be 'awkward' with the National press...

It's not them he's arsey to. They just know about it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 28, 2012, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 28, 2012, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 28, 2012, 01:08:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Still fancy Poyet. Martinez is really intriguing and I would love us to play like he can get his side playing but I don't think he is going to come, so rule him out to be honest!

Well, it should be relatively straightforward, after all, our defence has spent two years playing like his defences do - poorly.
I like Martinez's attacking play, especially towards the end of a season, I just can't see him coming here if Liverpool are interested.

Who knows, maybe it finally clicked for Martinez at the end of the season and he finally found a style of playing that gets results at the top level.  Would be interesting to see what he could achieve if he had a similar run at the start of the season as opposed to the end of it.

I personally can't see him turning down the Liverpool job if it has been offered to him. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 28, 2012, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 27, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
OGS wanted the job. He said he had a release clause in his contract for move to PL. He said if an offer was made he would accept. He named other people, players and coaches, he would bring with him. His trusted friends said that he was on his way. However Randy and Co were outwitted by a Nowegian version of Sullivan and Gold. A fiasco IMO.

Hindsight being 20/20 vision and all that, but I definitely think it could have been handled better.

Imagine how easy that conversation was for Rokke:  "So they have left you to face this shitstorm at home, with questions from the media every five minutes about your future and they haven't even offered you the job?   You are just one of a number of candidates?   Doesn't sound like they are serious.  Here's a new salary at x amount per annum, and here's some extra cash for our CL campaign."

And the reply from OSG would have been "It was you who created the shitstorm, you arsehole."
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:11:04 PM

No, I agree with that. It's a generally prejudiced and ill-educated nickname for someone. Still, there we go.
Why is Martinez not known as the Thin Spanish Waiter? ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 28, 2012, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads and shoulders kneeeees and toes
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Join in when you feel confident...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: woody4866 on May 28, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 28, 2012, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads and shoulders kneeeees and toes
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Join in when you feel confident...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
you watch to much CBeebies dont you ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 28, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 28, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 28, 2012, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads and shoulders kneeeees and toes
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Join in when you feel confident...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
you watch to much CBeebies dont you ;)

No need to be a sourpuss, come on...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Your turn....

I can't hear you...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Small Rodent on May 28, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 28, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 28, 2012, 01:11:04 PM

No, I agree with that. It's a generally prejudiced and ill-educated nickname for someone. Still, there we go.
Why is Martinez not known as the Thin Spanish Waiter? ;D


I was wondering whether TSM meant Thin Spanish Matador
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

So any idea where his  kite was when you posted this? Over Greenland? If so than he must be nearly here. Keep us updated as soon as he leaves Elmdon however if he is coming I am sure he will land at Norwich International airport!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 04:18:05 PM
Rumours about now that Southgate is being lined up
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Don't believe that for a second. Apparently Wigan want a decision from Martinez by Thursday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 04:21:43 PM
I hope he's not, Southgate would be a very poor appointment IMO
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
I very much doubt there's any truth in the Southgate rumours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 28, 2012, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Don't believe that for a second.
I'm discounting nothing after their moronic actions last Summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 28, 2012, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Don't believe that for a second.
I'm discounting nothing after their moronic actions last Summer.

I'm hoping the moronic actions of last summer will make it even less likely they'll fuck it up again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 28, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Southgate an improvement on McLeish?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 28, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Southgate an improvement on McLeish?

*tin hat*  not for me.

Both are dire in reality though.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 28, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Southgate an improvement on McLeish?

Didnt he get boro relegated in his last season after spending a fair amount, not good condidering he took over a team who had just reached a european final- southgate as a manager was a flop!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 28, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
There are two scenarios as I see it:
1) I do worry that they are sitting around scratching their heads unsure of having a clue of who to go for assuming OGS/Martinez  are/were top of the list and look dead in the water. Southgate is not an invigorating figure. Would Klinsman have recommedned Hoddle through his Spurs connections?
Or,
2) They will pull a rabbit out the hat and surprise us all.

If it isn't the latter I do worry for next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 28, 2012, 04:29:52 PM
There are two scenarios as I see it:
1) I do worry that they are sitting around scratching their heads unsure of having a clue of who to go for assuming OGS/Martinez  are/were top of the list and look dead in the water. Southgate is not an invigorating figure. Would Klinsman have recommedned Hoddle through his Spurs connections?
Or,
2) They will pull a rabbit out the hat and surprise us all.

If it isn't the latter I do worry for next season.

Yup I fear if they get the wrong man in then the fans will really start to turn on Lerner ad that would be the slippery slope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2012, 04:32:21 PM
I think "better than McLeish" is the most base of their criteria.
It's not going to be Southgate, come on.
I doubt he's even looking for a management job.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Doorbell on May 28, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 28, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on May 28, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 28, 2012, 02:40:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
Heads and shoulders kneeeees and toes
Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Join in when you feel confident...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*
you watch to much CBeebies dont you ;)

No need to be a sourpuss, come on...

Heads shoulders knees and toes
*knees and toes*

Your turn....

I can't hear you...

...and eyes and ears and fingers in pies....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 28, 2012, 04:44:12 PM
That's also how I see it. There is a real danger that what fans had to endure last season might get the board thinking that we will greet with open arms anybody who isn't TSM.

I think fans will give lots of time to whoever is appointed, and whoever it is will probably have a united fan-base of well wishers behind him. That said, names like Southgate, Grayson, Hoddle (McCarthy!) would certainly be a let down after the initial Paul Faulkner statement and the OGS saga.

I'm still hopeful it'll be Lambert/Martinez/ Poyet/exciting left field suggestion. I'd love it to be AVB but can't see it unless we have shed loads of money to invest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 28, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
is AVB's stock so high now that he can command 'shed loads' of money wherever he goes into his next job.

in my view he was a bit humiliated at Chelsea and by Chelsea, but you cant say they did the wrong thing by the outcome being dual cup winners and one of them being 'ole big ed' for the first time.

he needs to go somewhere he can rebuild his battered reputation,
 i think the fit of him and Villa is a good one, but not just for Villa that we get a young hopefully dynamic fella who plays attractive football, but that we offer AVB a chance to start again on his 'Project' without the added pressure of Abromavich's money,

he would get pretty much the control he would want and facilities and working conditions every bit as good as Chelsea, also the patience to make enevitable mistakes that he wasnt given time to put right at Chelsea
its Win - Win as far s i can see

if he has been approached and is waiting for something bigger with more money to spend, i reckon he has made a big mistake, he's not that good yet, he has a lot to prove and Villa could be the best place to do it

i dont think it will happen as if it was on the cards it could have been wrapped up by now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 04:28:51 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 28, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Southgate an improvement on McLeish?

Didnt he get boro relegated in his last season after spending a fair amount, not good condidering he took over a team who had just reached a european final- southgate as a manager was a flop!

Lerner cant be dumb enough to think this could aplease the fans because he was the captain of us once .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!
We all know where you are getting your ITK from and it's not that good.eastie you are being used by your ITK and the pair of you should know better.Time to grow up eastie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 06:47:56 PM
I can't see it being Southgate. In an interview i heard Paul Faulkner do with Pat Murphy just after Mcleish went, he said amongst other things that relegation was too close a call this time round so i'd be surprised if we went for another manager who's taken a team down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 06:52:26 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 28, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Randy flying back to brum as we speak .

Eastie - you now mates the Trees bloke or do have a direct line with Randy's pilots? Are they your new sources after your last one let you down?

Fingers and pies toronto, fingers and pies!
We all know where you are getting your ITK from and it's not that good.eastie you are being used by your ITK and the pair of you should know better.Time to grow up eastie.

What are you babbling on about ? Sky have widely reported that randy has flown back today, are you saying he hasnt? Nothing itk about that in the slightest.

The fingers and pies comment was very much made in jest ,although i do hear things from various people ,media,twitter accounts,etc as do most of us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:08:21 PM
Have we got all of this to come at the end of the transfer window?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Southgate strikes me as someone who needs a D.O.F above him, or he'd be a number 2 to a more established manager. Left to his own device I just don't think he's good enough, as proven at Boro. I like Southgate, but no way do I want him managing Villa. As a defensive coach? I'll have him back.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Southgate strikes me as someone who needs a D.O.F above him, or he'd be a number 2 to a more established manager. Left to his own device I just don't think he's good enough, as proven at Boro. I like Southgate, but no way do I want him managing Villa. As a defensive coach? I'll have him back.

Seems to be well in the fold with the fa and has a good job with them besides his tv work, cant really see him being in the picture.

He did a poor job at boro taking a team whod just reached a european final to relegation in his short spell as boss.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
i'd rather have Southgate than RDM or Benitez,
 which is crazy as they are both Euro cup winners and Southgate is not.

i dont want Southgate he would be a bit of a let down in the excitment stakes, but i would still prefer someone to come in and build a legacy rather than someone who's legacy is already behind them
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Southgate strikes me as someone who needs a D.O.F above him, or he'd be a number 2 to a more established manager. Left to his own device I just don't think he's good enough, as proven at Boro. I like Southgate, but no way do I want him managing Villa. As a defensive coach? I'll have him back.

Seems to be well in the fold with the fa and has a good job with them besides his tv work, cant really see him being in the picture.

He did a poor job at boro taking a team whod just reached a european final to relegation in his short spell as boss.
Fuck me do you have to answer every fucking post on this thread?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:15:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 28, 2012, 07:10:49 PM
Southgate strikes me as someone who needs a D.O.F above him, or he'd be a number 2 to a more established manager. Left to his own device I just don't think he's good enough, as proven at Boro. I like Southgate, but no way do I want him managing Villa. As a defensive coach? I'll have him back.

Seems to be well in the fold with the fa and has a good job with them besides his tv work, cant really see him being in the picture.

He did a poor job at boro taking a team whod just reached a european final to relegation in his short spell as boss.
Fuck me do you have to answer every fucking post on this thread?


Fuck me do you always reply to every one of eastie's posts in a bullying condesending shitarse way ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:20:01 PM
Well said john e- wondering when someone would notice this- cheers mate!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:20:01 PM
Well said john e- wondering when someone would notice this- cheers mate!
Thanks for the PM.You really are full of shit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 28, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
Less of that, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:20:01 PM
Well said john e- wondering when someone would notice this- cheers mate!
Thanks for the PM.You really are full of shit.

Nice man arent you! Right im off out , cant be doing with arguments and abusive people- have a good evening lads !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
Sorry Legion,just getting a bit sick of the 'eastie way to excited show.'
At least I have the bollocks to say it on here unlike him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
Sorry Legion,just getting a bit sick of the 'eastie way to excited show.'
At least I have the bollocks to say it on here unlike him.


thats just it you have no bollocks, just an internet cyber warrior picking on easy targets to get a cheap laugh
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:29:54 PM
See ya.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 28, 2012, 07:33:37 PM
Anyway, what about a manager.... ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:29:54 PM
See ya.


your work is now done, youve bullied him of the site for a bit,

 i bet thats made you feel great hasnt it, all big and clever
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
Sorry Legion,just getting a bit sick of the 'eastie way to excited show.'
At least I have the bollocks to say it on here unlike him.
You haven't had a eastie PM then?


thats just it you have no bollocks, just an internet cyber warrior picking on easy targets to get a cheap laugh
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 28, 2012, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
Don't believe that for a second.
I'm discounting nothing after their moronic actions last Summer.
Of course any normal person can see Southgate would be a dreadful choice but as you said we know what they did last summer.....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: john e on May 28, 2012, 07:29:35 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
Sorry Legion,just getting a bit sick of the 'eastie way to excited show.'
At least I have the bollocks to say it on here unlike him.
You haven't had a eastie PM then?


thats just it you have no bollocks, just an internet cyber warrior picking on easy targets to get a cheap laugh

And was that pm abusive? Did it contain swearing ? No !
You just didnt like it that after your continuous sniping at me i told you i wasnt interested in what you had to say , without using abusive language or bullying harrassment .

Goodnight all!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Wow whats with all the bickering? Sometimes I think we get the club we deserve.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TheSandman on May 28, 2012, 07:53:18 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 28, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Wow whats with all the bickering? Sometimes I think we get the club we deserve.

And what on earth is that supposed to mean?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 28, 2012, 07:54:28 PM
Do you think we could all get back to pointless speculation about something none of us know anything about so I can unnotify responses again?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
The bloke in front of me at the chip shop said we're appointing Neil Warnock, on the recommendation of his son Stephen.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 28, 2012, 07:58:17 PM
Quote from: TheSandman on May 28, 2012, 07:53:18 PM
And what on earth is that supposed to mean?

It means that with the supporters arguing and bickering, which I have seen a lot of in the last week or so, and not just on here. How can we expect anything other from the players?

The atmosphere last year at Villa was awful and not condusive to inspire any team. I even withnessed bickering and even scuffles on the terraces. I hope this all changes with a new manager. But equally I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 28, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
Well, hopefully tomorrow we'll know how things stand with Martinez and that may kick start things. Also for conspiracy theorists, OGS takes Molde's last game tonight before their break and the play-offs have finished. It will happen later this week I think, and if not, then we can start wondering what the board are doing. "If you can keep a cool head when all around you are losing theirs...." etc. And it's unusually hot, which doesn't help! Let's not get into fights with each other, eh? Nobody needs that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
See Mick McCarthy has been linked again this evening.
He is looking very vibrant everytime the one in the hole is mentioned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 28, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 28, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
See Mick McCarthy has been linked again this evening.
He is looking very vibrant everytime the one in the hole is mentioned.
Is he? Got a link?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Legion on May 28, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mick1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 28, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 28, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mick1a.jpg)

Made me chuckle !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 28, 2012, 08:31:55 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 28, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mick1a.jpg)

best picture i have ever seen of mm, kinda like a smart price version sean connery in bond
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 28, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 28, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mick1a.jpg)
Ha ha
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 28, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
See Mick McCarthy has been linked again this evening.
He is looking very vibrant everytime the one in the hole is mentioned.


Where has McCarthy been linked again? I can't believe that for a second. Useless cretin.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Quote from: James on May 28, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
Well, hopefully tomorrow we'll know how things stand with Martinez and that may kick start things. Also for conspiracy theorists, OGS takes Molde's last game tonight before their break and the play-offs have finished. It will happen later this week I think, and if not, then we can start wondering what the board are doing.

Well Randy's back in town, Poyet's finished his BA Legends Tournament in Babbados, Lambert's realising his chairman's only looking to stay up next season, Martinez  flies back from the States now realising life exists outside Lancashire and OGS still hasn't spoken to his family for a week. Should be an interesting week.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs, hence we have been so quiet for a week.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 28, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
I really don't see Ole being back on the agenda at all tbh.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 28, 2012, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs, hence we have been so quiet for a week.

Optimisic, but plausible.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 28, 2012, 08:44:49 PM
I think the OGS affair is over, time to let it go
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Post by: Mazrim on May 28, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
NOTHING IS OVER!

(http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0PDodfA18NPBXYAB_FWBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBtdXFkOWthBHNlYwNmcC1hdHRyaWIEc2xrA2ZpbWc-/SIG=13c8c0o2v/EXP=1338263616/**http%3a//2.bp.blogspot.com/-uV1-m6qMTMY/TeUzyZxw-dI/AAAAAAAAOT4/3E1JXLZ7MGk/s400/rambo.jpg)
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Post by: not3bad on May 28, 2012, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 28, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Well Randy's back in town, Poyet's finished his BA Legends Tournament in Babbados, Lambert's realising his chairman's only looking to stay up next season, Martinez  flies back from the States now realising life exists outside Lancashire and OGS still hasn't spoken to his family for a week. Should be an interesting week.

It's like a Buffy the Vampire Slayer style montage.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 28, 2012, 08:54:33 PM
NOTHING IS OVER!

(http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0PDodfA18NPBXYAB_FWBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBtdXFkOWthBHNlYwNmcC1hdHRyaWIEc2xrA2ZpbWc-/SIG=13c8c0o2v/EXP=1338263616/**http%3a//2.bp.blogspot.com/-uV1-m6qMTMY/TeUzyZxw-dI/AAAAAAAAOT4/3E1JXLZ7MGk/s400/rambo.jpg)

This,this and a million times this!
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 28, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 28, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Wow whats with all the bickering? Sometimes I think we get the club we deserve.
Yeah, that's the way we do it.

Bang, bang, bang.

Bang, bang, bang.
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Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs, hence we have been so quiet for a week.

It would explain why it's gone so quiet but i can't see it myself.
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Post by: Grande Pablo on May 28, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
I read somewhere earlier that Martinez wants a traditonal set-up like Villa as opposed to working with a Director at Liverpool.  I still maintain we'll be in for another season of struggle with Martinez in charge, I hope this isn't true.
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Post by: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
Craig Leveine may be available soon...is he the only Scottish manager to do a worse job than McLeish?
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 28, 2012, 09:34:28 PM
The betting does not say MickMac, 33-1. It has shortened to 9-1 for Southgate, but Lambert is still v short price favourite @ 10/11 or evens.
I think I might have a small saver on Ole tomorrow, if St William still offering 16/1.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
Craig Leveine may be available soon...is he the only Scottish manager to do a worse job than McLeish?

You forgot Berti McVogts. Actually, McLeish did a decent job with Scotland. Levein is fucking useless.
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Post by: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 09:43:37 PM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 28, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
Craig Leveine may be available soon...is he the only Scottish manager to do a worse job than McLeish?

You forgot Berti McVogts. Actually, McLeish did a decent job with Scotland. Levein is fucking useless.

Ahh, yes, I had forgotten about Vogts. Scotland really is football's graveyard, isn't it?
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Post by: Ian. on May 28, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:33:21 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 28, 2012, 08:24:22 PM
See Mick McCarthy has been linked again this evening.
He is looking very vibrant everytime the one in the hole is mentioned.


Where has McCarthy been linked again? I can't believe that for a second. Useless cretin.
Sorry, couldn't resist making it up. I just wanted to see the 'Mick and the one in the hole' again. The video is better mind.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Just having a scoutabout on Twitter. Someone I subscribe to reckons Redknapp is having a bit of a contract snarl-up with Spuds - wants a two year extension, Spuds only offering one. Absolutely no Villa link, but I thought I'd try and open a new avenue of bickering.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2012, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Just having a scoutabout on Twitter. Someone I subscribe to reckons Redknapp is having a bit of a contract snarl-up with Spuds - wants a two year extension, Spuds only offering one. Absolutely no Villa link, but I thought I'd try and open a new avenue of bickering.

I wonder if Chelsea might be interested in him?  Freeing up Robbie for the Villa?  No thanks.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2012, 09:54:01 PM
No thanks to Pulis Di Matteo.
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Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs

If anyone cares, it finished 1-1 and Molde currently sit on top of the table.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs

If anyone cares, it finished 1-1 and Molde currently sit on top of the table.

Great place to leave them then!! Can't see it hapening though, although with Randy being over here, something must be happening elsewhere I guess.
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Post by: charlie on May 28, 2012, 09:59:14 PM
Lennon, McCoist, Levien, all names to be worries about along with MIkmac, Southgate, Pearson at Leicester, anyone but Eck is not entirely true.
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Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Just having a scoutabout on Twitter. Someone I subscribe to reckons Redknapp is having a bit of a contract snarl-up with Spuds - wants a two year extension, Spuds only offering one. Absolutely no Villa link, but I thought I'd try and open a new avenue of bickering.

You claiming to be ITK, you cxxt!   Feel my vengeance!
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Post by: TheSandman on May 28, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 28, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 28, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
Craig Leveine may be available soon...is he the only Scottish manager to do a worse job than McLeish?

You forgot Berti McVogts. Actually, McLeish did a decent job with Scotland. Levein is fucking useless.

George Burley.
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Post by: andyh on May 28, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
I am still feeling that after the last game in Norway tonight that might have legs

If anyone cares, it finished 1-1 and Molde currently sit on top of the table.
They only drew ?
So, they don't win every game 7 - 0 nil then ?

He ain't that good then, phew........I think we had a lucky escape.
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Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 28, 2012, 10:06:31 PM
I'd prefer another year of Mcleish to Redknapp.

Clearly one's a much better manager, but I can't ignore what an absolute c*nt he is.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 28, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 28, 2012, 10:06:31 PM
I'd prefer another year of Mcleish to Redknapp.

Clearly one's a much better manager, but I can't ignore what an absolute c*nt he is.

redknapp openly said in an interview after he had the lighter threw at him in the dug out from trinity road stand when he was managing pompy that he "dont know why they (h)ate me so much at villa" i think we're more than safe on the cockney crook front
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 28, 2012, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Just having a scoutabout on Twitter. Someone I subscribe to reckons Redknapp is having a bit of a contract snarl-up with Spuds - wants a two year extension, Spuds only offering one. Absolutely no Villa link, but I thought I'd try and open a new avenue of bickering.

I wonder if Chelsea might be interested in him?  Freeing up Robbie for the Villa?  No thanks.

Liverpool for Harry
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 28, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
Here's hoping we don't end up with the FA Cup winning, Champions League qualifying, good football playing, High Court case winning "cockney crook".

How awful would that be? I'd much rather carry on with that odd sense of indignation we seem to have about him. What a moral highground that is.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2012, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 28, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 28, 2012, 09:52:15 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Just having a scoutabout on Twitter. Someone I subscribe to reckons Redknapp is having a bit of a contract snarl-up with Spuds - wants a two year extension, Spuds only offering one. Absolutely no Villa link, but I thought I'd try and open a new avenue of bickering.

I wonder if Chelsea might be interested in him?  Freeing up Robbie for the Villa?  No thanks.

Liverpool for Harry

Is that not a bit of a step down for Harry, at the minute? Be an interesting move though!
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Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 28, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
Here's hoping we don't end up with the FA Cup winning, Champions League qualifying, good football playing, High Court case winning "cockney crook".

How awful would that be? I'd much rather carry on with that odd sense of indignation we seem to have about him. What a moral highground that is.

Harry would be brilliant, and we would play good football. Never happen, but I would love it. Love to hate him, could learn to love him.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 28, 2012, 10:49:38 PM
Stick a quid on him. He'll be favourite by morning.
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Post by: not3bad on May 28, 2012, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 28, 2012, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 28, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
Here's hoping we don't end up with the FA Cup winning, Champions League qualifying, good football playing, High Court case winning "cockney crook".

How awful would that be? I'd much rather carry on with that odd sense of indignation we seem to have about him. What a moral highground that is.

Harry would be brilliant, and we would play good football. Never happen, but I would love it. Love to hate him, could learn to love him.

I'd be alright with Rednapp coming on board.
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Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2012, 10:53:53 PM
Quote from: Irreverent OGS on May 28, 2012, 07:50:33 PM
Wow whats with all the bickering? Sometimes I think we get the club we deserve.
Yes quite right it's the god's way!
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 28, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
by that logic dave lets get king kenny in,
premier league winning, pre premier league title winner times 3, champions league qualifying x4, fa cup winning x2, league cup winning x1
what a great team he would bring in,
i find your defence of people like deputy dog laughable no disrespect but you would gladly take a man who is so suspect the fa even passed him up left Portsmouth in such bad shape they have just dropped into league 1. i dont trust the man and would not want him near villa park, its pointless even discussing it as he hates us almost as much as some of us hate him, oh and whoopdeedo he won a tax evasion cort case hardly the premier league title is it?
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 28, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
I am saying sorry to eastie.I went too far sorry.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2012, 12:08:20 AM
heheheh, The silly season has well and truly arrived. I'd bet my house on Guardiola arriving with me as Director of Football before i'd put any money on Redknapp turning up. apart from the fact he's clearly not insane, Spurs have enough trouble getting him to travel to london everyday from his home, so us being near scotland as far as 'arry is concerned would be a slight problerm. I realise no-one actually believes there's a hope in hell of him becoming our manager but even as a moment of theoretical whimsy its daft
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Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2012, 12:08:20 AM
even as a moment of theoretical whimsy its daft

Have you seen some of the moments of theoretical whimsy on this thread?!  Or are you trying to hide the fact you put a sneeky quid on Sir Patrick Moore and Professor Brian Cox taking over as Director of footballer and head coach?!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2012, 12:21:18 AM
nah Brian Cox is holding out for the Baggies job
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 29, 2012, 12:08:20 AM
even as a moment of theoretical whimsy its daft

Have you seen some of the moments of theoretical whimsy on this thread?!  Or are you trying to hide the fact you put a sneeky quid on Sir Patrick Moore and Professor Brian Cox taking over as Director of footballer and head coach?!

This is degenerating into sub-gutter level but I'll stick a quid on Stan Collymore in the morning, jic. He knows more about theVilla than I do. Come back Stan 15 minute man!
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Post by: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
I am saying sorry to eastie.I went too far sorry.

Apology accepted, time to move on and forget.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 29, 2012, 08:09:57 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
I am saying sorry to eastie.I went too far sorry.

Apology accepted, time to move on and forget.

Come on lads, she's not worth it.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 08:34:20 AM
Damn!  because we are managerless we have missed out on Eden Hazard.....migiht still get Mickey Hazard though...or Eden Kane!

Bobby Houghton to enter  the fray very soon I think.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 08:35:15 AM
Maybe we should have a sweepstake on when we will appoint.  I am going for Friday.
Title: w
Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 08:36:27 AM

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Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 08:38:48 AM
Why are you quoting yourself ron?
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 08:36:27 AM

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Simon and Garfunkel..??
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 08:43:06 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 08:38:48 AM
Why are you quoting yourself ron?

Got confused too early in the morning sorry to all concerned
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Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 08:53:16 AM
I think Friday is a good shout.  Can see the story breaking Wednesday and the press conference when it all becomes official on Friday.

Fucked if I know who it'll be though!

I'd love it if they announced a press conference before the name was known - can you imagine the guess work in the press???
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
I genuinely have no clue what is going on, there's literally not even a whisper about what's happening.
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Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2012, 09:01:02 AM
Quote from: John M on May 29, 2012, 08:53:16 AM


Fucked if I know who it'll be though!

I'm going with Eastie's first pitch  - step forward, Mr Lambert.

He's not necessarily the one I'd choose, BTW. Just saying, like.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 09:02:59 AM
Lambert was my first choice once the Scottish Manager got his cards.

I still think he's a very good choice, but somehow I think they'll go a different way this time.
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Post by: bob on May 29, 2012, 09:04:13 AM
Friday seems optimistic to me.
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Post by: badluckeric(gates) on May 29, 2012, 09:04:50 AM
I hope its Lambert but I think the delay points towards Martinez if Liverpool fail to appoint him.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
My ITK tells me that Ron Knee aged 59 is about to step down as manager of Neasden FC after almost 50 years in the job.
His greatest signing was one legged goalkeeper Wally Foot.
I'm hearing that Knee has had a major falling out with his owner, who apparently has no interest in football, evidenced by his answers to football questions on 'Have I Got News For You'.
Knee's name always comes up when ever the England job becomes vacant but for some strange reason the FA always overlook him. So their loss could be our gain.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 29, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: bob on May 29, 2012, 09:04:13 AM
Friday seems optimistic to me.

He didn't say which Friday though did he?

I'm going for June.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
As much as it is frustrating for us can you imagine how pissed off the media are as they really dont have a clue about any of it

I would love to pull a real class act out of the bag just to fuck them off even more - this is what i wish for but reality means that our lot are capable of anything - just think of TSM - how they came to the conclusion he was the answer is still beyond me

My choices

1/ OGS - makes a bigger U turn than an Italian infantry man
2/ AVB - would be so motivated to prove the mafia wrong
3/ Capello - excellent club manager and loves coming to VP (was the ground he went to most when manager of England)
4/ Poyet - but with an excellent / experienced #2 like Wilkins / Clarke


Actually the more i think about it - make # 4 my main choice
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Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 09:18:31 AM
Good choices Hookey.
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Post by: glasses on May 29, 2012, 09:21:02 AM
Since Eck was sacked, there has been a thought in my mind that the club would spend all summer looking for someone, then give the job to Kevin Mac. I don't know why to be honest.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 09:33:05 AM
3 good choices - wouldn't want Capello!
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 29, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:21:48 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 28, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
I am saying sorry to eastie.I went too far sorry.

Apology accepted, time to move on and forget.
Thanks eastie.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
My ITK tells me that Ron Knee aged 59 is about to step down as manager of Neasden FC after almost 50 years in the job.
His greatest signing was one legged goalkeeper Wally Foot.
I'm hearing that Knee has had a major falling out with his owner, who apparently has no interest in football, evidenced by his answers to football questions on 'Have I Got News For You'.
Knee's name always comes up when ever the England job becomes vacant but for some strange reason the FA always overlook him. So their loss could be our gain.


I think that appointment would be popular with our two superfans, Sid and Doris Bonkers... Or as they prefer to be called, DC5 and Pauline.
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Post by: eastie on May 29, 2012, 09:45:04 AM
Quote from: badluckeric(gates) on May 29, 2012, 09:04:50 AM
I hope its Lambert but I think the delay points towards Martinez if Liverpool fail to appoint him.

I agree, of the two i prefer lambert as he has achieved 2 promotions and got norwich to midtable on limited resources, also seems to have that steely character about him , whereas martinez has just avoided relegation with wigan in successive years and althougha great finish the run of 2 wins in 28 is worrying.

I would be happy enough with martinez but much happier with lambert.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 09:46:28 AM
I think they should talk to Jimmy Frizzell, if Ron Knee is back in the running. He was barring Joe Mercer, the most humourous man in football..took Oldham to the heights and then got sacked with a wry smile before moving to Citeh. Sold us Earl Barratt before the decline, I think; maybe that was the decline?
Is he still about? I could do with a good laugh..
http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/History/Managers/Manager.aspx?id=23
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Dragging on a bit now, ay it?
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Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
I genuinely have no clue what is going on, there literally not even a whisper about what's happening.

Everytime I check google news it's just the same old stories.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 29, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Dragging on a bit now, ay it?

15 whole days innit?
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Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 09:58:50 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Dragging on a bit now, ay it?

Ar.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 29, 2012, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 29, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
My ITK tells me that Ron Knee aged 59 is about to step down as manager of Neasden FC after almost 50 years in the job.
His greatest signing was one legged goalkeeper Wally Foot.

I'm hearing that Knee has had a major falling out with his owner, who apparently has no interest in football, evidenced by his answers to football questions on 'Have I Got
News For You'.
Knee's name always comes up when ever the England job becomes vacant but for some strange reason the FA always overlook him. So their loss could be our gain.


I think that appointment would be popular with our two superfans, Sid and Doris Bonkers... Or as they prefer to be called, DC5 and Pauline.

Don't talk to me about knees today. My new ones are about to be fitted.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2012, 10:02:43 AM
Bored.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2012, 10:04:50 AM
Roberto Martinez has just landed at Manchester Airport.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2012, 10:04:50 AM
Roberto Martinez has just landed at Manchester Airport.

It's spelled 'Mancini'. ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Darren Bent reads the bible every day. That's the first bit of actual new Aston Villa news, backed up with solid evidence, that I've read in a few days!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 29, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Dragging on a bit now, ay it?

15 whole days innit?
long time.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Darren Bent reads the bible every day. That's the first bit of actual new Aston Villa news, backed up with solid evidence, that I've read in a few days!

My oh my - sell him now

We dont want anyone at our club who believes in supernatural fairytales
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Darren Bent reads the bible every day. That's the first bit of actual new Aston Villa news, backed up with solid evidence, that I've read in a few days!

My oh my - sell him now

We dont want anyone at our club who believes in supernatural fairytales

I'm not religious, but I'm not about to turn down Kaka if offered.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2012, 10:36:44 AM
I can see him staying at Wigan personally
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.

LOL!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paulcomben on May 29, 2012, 10:38:45 AM
Van Gaal to Liverpool/ Martinez to Villa rumoured today.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paulcomben on May 29, 2012, 10:40:27 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Darren Bent reads the bible every day. That's the first bit of actual new Aston Villa news, backed up with solid evidence, that I've read in a few days!

My oh my - sell him now

We dont want anyone at our club who believes in supernatural fairytales

Ain't that all of us?  A cup win, league victories against the Top 4, being safe from relegation on 40 points by each January...?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.

LOL!!!

Cue a massive inquest up on Merseyside.  You've got to laugh!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 29, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
Quote from: bob on May 29, 2012, 09:04:13 AM
Friday seems optimistic to me.

He didn't say which Friday though did he?

I'm going for June.

Friday IS June!

The papers have given up guessing who this morning and are going with 'Villa to name new manager this week'. I can't help wondering if even the board know who yet!
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Post by: Risso on May 29, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.

LOL!!!

As much as I dislike Dave Whelan, you've got to hand it to the man.  Two years running he's made bigger clubs look like mugs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:46:25 AM
SSN might just be right about Martinez turning down Liverpool. Take a look at Oddschecker his price is drifting right across the board with Brendan Rodgers odds on favourite right across the board all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
I'd now almost like Martinez just to see how Whelan would re-act after his 'bigger clubs than Villa' comment! 
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Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 29, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.

LOL!!!

As much as I dislike Dave Whelan, you've got to hand it to the man.  Two years running he's made bigger clubs look like mugs.

That's one view Risso, personally I take the view that he's just an arrogant, attention seeking knob for whom the words 'professionalism' and 'dignity' clearly don't apply. The man's a c**t!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 10:50:08 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:46:25 AM
SSN might just be right about Martinez turning down Liverpool. Take a look at Oddschecker his price is drifting right across the board with Brendan Rodgers odds on favourite right across the board all of a sudden.

Yes, but Swansea and Rodgers have both confirmed that since he turned them down there has been no further contact! There is no point in looking at bookies' odds they mean nowt!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:46:25 AM
SSN might just be right about Martinez turning down Liverpool. Take a look at Oddschecker his price is drifting right across the board with Brendan Rodgers odds on favourite right across the board all of a sudden.

So...the favourite is a man who turned down an interview and has made at least one major signing for his current club since? Rodgers will be at Swansea next season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charlie on May 29, 2012, 10:53:54 AM
But do we want Roberto if his every move is to the subject of self glorification by rentaquote who is 'like a father to him', and wherever Roberto goes Whelan will be available for comment, even if not asked. We win, Uncle Dave takes credit, we lose, ucle Dave passes judgement, the man is a parasite.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:54:07 AM
Dave Whelan has called Liverpool "clueless" in their search for a new manager and will be holding a press conference to say that Martinez will not be leaving Wigan. This "clueless" thing is a bit worrying. Does it mean that any club with an American in charge is "clueless"? If that is the case then we could be up shit creek with only a McLeish style paddle to rely on!!! Worrying don't you think?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 10:56:22 AM
It's worrying if you care about Whelan's opinion, which I don't!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 10:57:18 AM
It seems that American owned clubs may be "clueless" when it comes to dealing with people like Whelan!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 29, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 29, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Darren Bent reads the bible every day. That's the first bit of actual new Aston Villa news, backed up with solid evidence, that I've read in a few days!

My oh my - sell him now

We dont want anyone at our club who believes in supernatural fairytales

You say that, but I'm pretty sure some people expect AVB or Guardiola to be signing up as our manager, can't get more fairytale than that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:59:00 AM
Quote from: John M on May 29, 2012, 10:56:22 AM
It's worrying if you care about Whelan's opinion, which I don't!
Fair play.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Martinez is making a massive mistake if he doesn't leave this summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.

http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/does-anyone-even-want-the-liverpool-job-martinez-the-latest-to-be-ruled-out-of-the-race-0025261-1
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 11:06:00 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.
Go to Transfer talk then go to Paper Talk and it is on there. Maybe a rumour but the betting markets are backing of Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.

http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/does-anyone-even-want-the-liverpool-job-martinez-the-latest-to-be-ruled-out-of-the-race-0025261-1
Thankyou.

I've got a feeling he may be coming to us
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Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 11:15:21 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.

http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/does-anyone-even-want-the-liverpool-job-martinez-the-latest-to-be-ruled-out-of-the-race-0025261-1
Thankyou.

I've got a feeling he may be coming to us
Not first choice but maybe the best of the ones that have been mentioned so far.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
Apparently Whelan is ready to offer Martinez new training facilities at Wigan and £10 million to spend if he stays.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 11:15:21 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I can't see anything on SSN about Martinez turning L'Pool down.

http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/does-anyone-even-want-the-liverpool-job-martinez-the-latest-to-be-ruled-out-of-the-race-0025261-1
Thankyou.

I've got a feeling he may be coming to us
Not first choice but maybe the best of the ones that have been mentioned so far.
If he stays at Wigan,I would seriously question his ambition.Although I wouldn't blame him for not going to Liverpool,we would be a perfect move for him,assuming the rumours are true that we have approached him

Not my number one choice either but I'd take him compared to a lot of the nightmare names that have been touted on here
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:17:49 AM
Apparently Whelan is ready to offer Martinez new training facilities at Wigan and £10 million to spend if he stays.
It's still Wigan
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2012, 11:22:28 AM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 29, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Does anyone know if Dave Whelan's glove puppet is still going to hold a press conference today?
Seems like he has turned Liverpool down!!Sky sports.

LOL!!!

As much as I dislike Dave Whelan, you've got to hand it to the man.  Two years running he's made bigger clubs look like mugs.

That's one view Risso, personally I take the view that he's just an arrogant, attention seeking knob for whom the words 'professionalism' and 'dignity' clearly don't apply. The man's a c**t!

I agree entirely, but in the context of it actually achieving his end result, ie hanging on to Martinez and keeping Wigan's name in the paper, it appears to be working.
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Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Martinez is making a massive mistake if he doesn't leave this summer.
I think he is indecisive and lacking ambition. I don't want him around here. He can stay safe within Whelan's control where he is comfortable. Making his team a thrash bag for the rest of the PL for 90% of the season and thn winning a few games to survive.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Seems to me that Martinez likes being the big fish in the little pond...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 11:24:53 AM
Like the last few posters have said, Martinez isn't my first choice (Rodgers) but I could live with the idea. Having said that I still have a nasty feeling it will be RDM.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2012, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Seems to me that Martinez likes being the big fish in the little pond...

Perhaps, but maybe he just doesn't think that Villa are that atractive an option at the moment.  We don't know what Lerner is offering in terms of funds to spend.  If it all has to be internally generated, maybe he'd rather stay at Wigan?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

Fair summary.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa

But James Milner wasn't. It's a fine line but it is there.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.

Barry left for a club that at the time had finished lower in the league than Villa.  Downing left for a club that had also failed to qualify for the champions league, and had only given Villa one half decent season of form after we had bought him in when he was crocked.

By contrast when Ashley Young left there was little bitterness and most people wished him luck.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DeKuip on May 29, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.
I was just about to type a similar thing.
Ridiculous how people think sometimes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
As football fans we reserve the right to be inconsistent, forgetful, fickle, irrational and forgetful.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
And pissed
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa

But James Milner wasn't. It's a fine line but it is there.

So what's the difference? In Barry's case he played over 400 games for us, made the club an £11m profit and was a regular in the Man City side which won the FA Cup then the League title.Milner on the other hand has failed to nail down a regular spot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.

I take your point but Milner & Young left for more money and weren't branded as such by most posters on here.

The distinction with Barry & Downing is that Barry said he wanted Champions League football then left for a team not even in the Europa League that had finished 4 places below us. Downing claimed he owed us for signing him whilst injured and said he was happy to stay, then left when he realised Liverpool wanted him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:02:38 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa

But James Milner wasn't. It's a fine line but it is there.

So what's the difference? In Barry's case he played over 400 games for us, made the club an £11m profit and was a regular in the Man City side which won the FA Cup then the League title.Milner on the other hand has failed to nail down a regular spot.

The main differences were:

1) At the time Manchester City had finished below Villa in the league, so the conclusion was he'd gone for the money (i.e. he was a money grabbing fat arse).
2) Barry had already been tainted by the horrible mess with Liverpool the summer before.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeS on May 29, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:02:38 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa

But James Milner wasn't. It's a fine line but it is there.

So what's the difference? In Barry's case he played over 400 games for us, made the club an £11m profit and was a regular in the Man City side which won the FA Cup then the League title.Milner on the other hand has failed to nail down a regular spot.

The main differences were:

1) At the time Manchester City had finished below Villa in the league, so the conclusion was he'd gone for the money (i.e. he was a money grabbing fat arse).
2) Barry had already been tainted by the horrible mess with Liverpool the summer before.

Is it convenient revisionism for me to say that it was obvious Man City were going to overtake us in the next year or two? I'm not sure I felt exactly like that at the time, but I am pretty sure Barry did.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: glasses on May 29, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa

But James Milner wasn't. It's a fine line but it is there.

So what's the difference? In Barry's case he played over 400 games for us, made the club an £11m profit and was a regular in the Man City side which won the FA Cup then the League title.Milner on the other hand has failed to nail down a regular spot.
Milner's 'loyalty' pales into insignificance next to Barry's, which is the odd thing considering the views some hold of the two. Two years and off at the first chance he got to Money City. I know who I have more respect for
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Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 12:08:25 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.

I take your point but Milner & Young left for more money and weren't branded as such by most posters on here.

The distinction with Barry & Downing is that Barry said he wanted Champions League football then left for a team not even in the Europa League that had finished 4 places below us. Downing claimed he owed us for signing him whilst injured and said he was happy to stay, then left when he realised Liverpool wanted him.


Bingo.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 29, 2012, 12:08:53 PM


Barry left for a club that at the time had finished lower in the league than Villa. 
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Barry left because he believed in the vision that Man City had sold to him. He believed had more chance of playing in the Champions League there than at Villa and his FA Cup and league champions medals are further vindication of his decision. I can be as one-eyed as the next Villa fan but even I can understand that.

Maybe if Martinez turns down Liverpool it's because he doesn't believe their vision, and that it's not right for him. That's not lacking ambition, it's being intelligent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 12:11:45 PM
It'll be funny seeing Whelan's reaction if his 'best young manager in europe' stays and in twelve months time gets them relegated, having spent the £10 million thats been reported.
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Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 11:58:27 AM
As football fans we reserve the right to be inconsistent, forgetful, fickle, irrational and forgetful.
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
And pissed

and we pay good money to be all of those!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hoppo on May 29, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
Why are you all slagging Martinez off? He hasnt said yes or no to Villa yet. He seems to have been right to stay away last summer. Martinez got Swansea on the straight and narrow and for them to still be in the Prem is a miracle if size counts for anything!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:27:07 AM
I won't be of the opinion Martinez lacks ambition until he's made his decision this summer. I can accept last summer he wanted to be loyal to Wigan, if he does get offers from Liverpool and Villa this summer and declines both then he does lack ambition.

It's funny though.Barry and Downing were both accused of being treacherous money grabbing gits when they left Villa, yet when Rodgers and Martinez display loyalty to their clubs they are branded as lacking ambition.It's a fine line.

I take your point but Milner & Young left for more money and weren't branded as such by most posters on here.

The distinction with Barry & Downing is that Barry said he wanted Champions League football then left for a team not even in the Europa League that had finished 4 places below us. Downing claimed he owed us for signing him whilst injured and said he was happy to stay, then left when he realised Liverpool wanted him.


As soon as the money poured into City we all knew they were going to do better than us.Personally after the service Barry had given us I wished him well.He'd riled me the previous summer with the Liverpool debacle but credit to him he still gave us a great season after MoN denied his move.Downing on the other hand owed the club IMO after drawing his wages for a non existent first season.
Anyway, i digress.Over the years i've heard players like Le Tissier and Steve Bull getting slagged off for not having any ambition yet there are a number of fans who cane Barry, a Villa player for eleven years, when he furthers his career.It narked me reading comments at the time Young left that "at least he's joined Man United". So fecking what?I couldn't give a shit if he went to Man Utd or Carlisle Utd, he aint playing for us anymore. It just seems somewhat warped that the likes of Collymore still has many fans among the Holte when he basically milked the club whilst strolling around yet Barry with ten times as many games and a profit margin of £11m is barracked.Funny old game.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 29, 2012, 12:08:53 PM


Barry left for a club that at the time had finished lower in the league than Villa. 

Barry left because he believed in the vision that Man City had sold to him. He believed had more chance of playing in the Champions League there than at Villa and his FA Cup and league champions medals are further vindication of his decision. I can be as one-eyed as the next Villa fan but even I can understand that.[/quote]

As I said Barry had been taited by the Liverpool saga the year before.  And at the time most people held Manchester City in contempt because as far as they were concerned, all they had to offer was filthy money.  There was not a belief that everyone that their money would automatically buy them the title, and many people were waiting with glee to see them self destruct under the weight of all the egos that were gathering there. 

The thing that really did for Barry was the interview he gave to the News of the World the year before.  It turned people against him, and even through the season before he left, a lot of people were complaining about his lack of effort at the Villa, although it seemed OK to me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Surrey Villain on May 29, 2012, 12:22:11 PM
Rodgers is now apparently odds-on for Liverpool.  If that happens I would love to see Martinez interviewed then rejected and Lambert appointed.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on May 29, 2012, 12:22:11 PM
Rodgers is now apparently odds-on for Liverpool.  If that happens I would love to see Martinez interviewed then rejected and Lambert appointed.
Yeah but Whelan will spin it to make it look like he rejected us again!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on May 29, 2012, 12:22:11 PM
Rodgers is now apparently odds-on for Liverpool.  If that happens I would love to see Martinez interviewed then rejected and Lambert appointed.
Yeah but Whelan will spin it to make it look like he rejected us again!

And it's Whelan that will be believed, not us, just like last Summer.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
And like last year I dont give fuck number one what that shrivelled old monkey scrotum has to say about anything.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 12:47:42 PM
Whelan might have got away with it once with us, but if he tries to piss Liverpool around there'll be a completely different media agenda.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2012, 12:48:39 PM
Whelan said yesterday that he was giving Martinez 2 days to decide. Decide what? If he misses that deadline what's he going to do...sack him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 12:49:29 PM
The reason Whelan was able to portray the story as he wanted last year was because he got his version out first, where as we played a more dignified game and just released a vague statement.  Only way to beat him is to play his game, which Randy will never do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 12:50:17 PM
Dave Whelan has just announced that Eden Hazard is signing for Chelsea
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
Hold on - that's Harry's job, isn't it?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 29, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: John M on May 29, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
Hold on - that's Harry's job, isn't it?

Due to his trouble with writing Spurs have just announced the signing of Eddie Izzard
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: SHEPS on May 29, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 29, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Martinez is making a massive mistake if he doesn't leave this summer.
I think he is indecisive and lacking ambition. I don't want him around here. He can stay safe within Whelan's control where he is comfortable. Making his team a thrash bag for the rest of the PL for 90% of the season and thn winning a few games to survive.

Agreed.  Wigan are sure fire to go down next year.  Better teams are replacing the 3 that have gone down and Wigan's key players are leaving this summer.  If Martinez doesn't leave Wigan his stock will plummet and he will not have the opportunity of managing a big club for a very long time.  I'm sure he knows this and when Whelan wheels in him on Thursday for a decision I would put money on he just resigns without a club to go to (I'd be surprised if he went to Liverpool) and bet that he will end up somewhere shortly...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:14:55 PM
Anyway, Martinez / Lambert and Rodgers could be next years Paul Jewell.

I'd rather a bit more pedigree.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:14:55 PM
Anyway, Martinez / Lambert and Rodgers could be next years Paul Jewell.

I'd rather a bit more pedigree.

Vote for Benitez?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 01:26:00 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Don't take it personally. ITKism has taken quite a hit on here recently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a ******.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:14:55 PM
Anyway, Martinez / Lambert and Rodgers could be next years Paul Jewell.

I'd rather a bit more pedigree.

Vote for Benitez?

I dont know, If Id trust him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a c***.

I put it on yest afternoon or so. Known about since it happened.

Basically, he said yes last year but Whelan stopped it with a ridiculous compo demand which RL said no to.

RM still has friends from his Walsall days round here.
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Post by: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
I may well still be proved wrong but I am of the opinion that Martinez wouldn't join Liverpool over us. No Villa-coloured spectacles on, or any ITK, but just judging the man from what I read or see of him, I think because of last summers approach by us and knowing that we are interested again he would feel a kind of loyatly to us. We wanted him before Liverpool and I think that if he did choose to leave Wigan that would put us ahead of them.
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Post by: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
Another thing I think we should move heaven and earth to get Steve Clarke as every manager that he has worked with has commented on how great a coach he is. As much as we need a man at the top we should think very hard about what it would take to get this number 2 in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Slavan Bilic's a definite. Joachim Low and Laurent Blanc could become available if their teams don't do well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a c***.

I put it on yest afternoon or so. Known about since it happened.

Basically, he said yes last year but Whelan stopped it with a ridiculous compo demand which RL said no to.

RM still has friends from his Walsall days round here.

Why didn't Martinez just resign then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 29, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Slavan Bilic's a definite. Joachim Low and Laurent Blanc could become available if their teams don't do well.

Billic has already gone to a club in Russia.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 01:39:03 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
Another thing I think we should move heaven and earth to get Steve Clarke as every manager that he has worked with has commented on how great a coach he is. As much as we need a man at the top we should think very hard about what it would take to get this number 2 in.

The new manager will decide who his number two is, the club can't/shouldn't try to force the issue.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a c***.

I put it on yest afternoon or so. Known about since it happened.

Basically, he said yes last year but Whelan stopped it with a ridiculous compo demand which RL said no to.

RM still has friends from his Walsall days round here.

Why didn't Martinez just resign then?

Well we'd have been in the same situation as we were with McLeish, ending up paying the same compo anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2012, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Slavan Bilic's a definite. Joachim Low and Laurent Blanc could become available if their teams don't do well.

Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Slavan Bilic's a definite. Joachim Low and Laurent Blanc could become available if their teams don't do well.


I thought Bilic had took over Locomotiv Moscow?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 01:42:00 PM
If Martinez opts to stay at Wigan I don't believe that will mean he has no ambition. i haven't been his biggest fan, but I've said for ages that if he stays another seaon and gets Wigan a decent top half finish, he can more or less write his own ticket with the bigger clubs next summer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 29, 2012, 01:42:48 PM
Martinez must enjoy relegation battles
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a c***.

I put it on yest afternoon or so. Known about since it happened.

Basically, he said yes last year but Whelan stopped it with a ridiculous compo demand which RL said no to.

RM still has friends from his Walsall days round here.

Why didn't Martinez just resign then?

Well we'd have been in the same situation as we were with McLeish, ending up paying the same compo anyway.

I don't think so. I presume we paid compo because we'd tapped him up whereas if we made Martinez an offer and he said no, then we'd have had Whelan's permission to speak to him.

Surely an owner can't hold a manager against his will by making unrealistic compensation demands?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Maybe the board are just taking their time making sure  they get the right manager this time around and we don't endure the farce that was the build-up to the previous two appointments.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
In Martinez' shoes I would be wanting Whelan to shut the fuck up about me. He's turned from swinger husband into pushy parent.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
Honestly I dont know ........all I can tell you, is my friend has been his mate since the 3 amigos days at Walsall, when he first came over.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: TRO on May 29, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
A side note ...........  I find it amazing that you all skipped over my ITK on Martinez from last summer.

Which was?

He works for a c***.

I put it on yest afternoon or so. Known about since it happened.

Basically, he said yes last year but Whelan stopped it with a ridiculous compo demand which RL said no to.

RM still has friends from his Walsall days round here.

Why didn't Martinez just resign then?

Well we'd have been in the same situation as we were with McLeish, ending up paying the same compo anyway.

I don't think so. I presume we paid compo because we'd tapped him up whereas if we made Martinez an offer and he said no, then we'd have had Whelan's permission to speak to him.

Surely an owner can't hold a manager against his will by making unrealistic compensation demands?

They can demand what they like and put the manager on gardening leave until the other club pay or a tribunal sets the fee I presume.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 29, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
I don't think so. I presume we paid compo because we'd tapped him up whereas if we made Martinez an offer and he said no, then we'd have had Whelan's permission to speak to him.

Surely an owner can't hold a manager against his will by making unrealistic compensation demands?

Well the contract goes two ways. A transfer fee is, essentially, an agreed compensation figure, and managerial moves are no different. Whelan would need to be compensated for the loss of his employee.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.
Joachim Low?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 29, 2012, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
Another thing I think we should move heaven and earth to get Steve Clarke as every manager that he has worked with has commented on how great a coach he is. As much as we need a man at the top we should think very hard about what it would take to get this number 2 in.

I read a very good article/interview with Steve Clarke recently, where he talked about his ambition to be a No.1, but no-one willing to take a gamble. He's probably more than ready, given his wide experience, to take on the main coaching role at a PL club...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 29, 2012, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 01:35:18 PM
Another thing I think we should move heaven and earth to get Steve Clarke as every manager that he has worked with has commented on how great a coach he is. As much as we need a man at the top we should think very hard about what it would take to get this number 2 in.

I read a very good article/interview with Steve Clarke recently, where he talked about his ambition to be a No.1, but no-one willing to take a gamble. He's probably more than ready, given his wide experience, to take on the main coaching role at a PL club...

I think he's very talented but I'm not sure I'd want him as our number 1 without some experience there also.Its like a top newspaper asking their best journalist to be the editor-in-chief  and  expecting them to be able to make the top decisions consistently.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 29, 2012, 02:22:17 PM
I see what you're saying, although being in the publishing industry I can promise you that, very often, leading and talented journalists are promoted to editor positions...  ;)

For me, I feel we need to break out of this way of thinking somewhat. Every manager, at some point, has been given a chance to step up, and Steve Clarke has been assistant manager with Chelsea, West Ham and Liverpool, and widely acknowledged as one of the best coaches in the UK game. Not saying he'd be my choice, but don't think we should be afraid of going with a really talented coach and giving him a break. How does Clarke's CV compare with OGS, for example?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Brian Kidd...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Brian Kidd...

There is always that risk, but it doesn't mean such a move should not be considered IMHO.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
Terry Connor....

only kidding, there is a number 2 out there somewhere waiting to become a world-beater....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 29, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
Terry Connor
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.
Joachim Low?

His name has been mentioned a few times and out of all the "left field" suggestions, I think he is the best and most exciting candidate to be linked to the job.  He's done very well with Germany and has brought a lot of young players into the side.  There have been rumours that he is looking to go into club management after the Euros, but I would have thought he would be looking at Bundesliga clubs.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today

Correction : Swansea chairman to discuss future with BR today
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today

Where's that come from VA?

EDIT: Okay, just seen your edit!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 29, 2012, 02:42:34 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Slavan Bilic's a definite. Joachim Low and Laurent Blanc could become available if their teams don't do well.


you are getting me very excited now as i had £9 at 1000/1 on Lauren Blanc at betfair a week ago.

didnt think much of it at the time but then we do have a French conection with Houllier, i dont know if there is any relationship left there though,
 and also the ITK bits about 'might have to wait' and the ' talks were going on right under the radar' so could put him in the frame
then this morning from MM about supprises and twists and turns.

anyway he's still 350/1 on betfair and between 33/1 - 66/1 on oddschecker if you fancy a wild punt

 but i'm not booking a holiday to the seychells just yet
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today

Correction : Swansea chairman to discuss future with BR today

Didn't he describe it as 'a routine meeting'? They seem pretty busy in the transfer market, it would make sense for them to talk about that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today
Apologies Swansea chairman has confirmed he will be meeting BR to discuss his future

Where's that come from VA?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
No worries VA!

Anyone heard anything about this 'potential' Wigan press conference?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:50:28 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today

Correction : Swansea chairman to discuss future with BR today

Didn't he describe it as 'a routine meeting'? They seem pretty busy in the transfer market, it would make sense for them to talk about that.
Yes I think it's SSN desperate for news again They've got it going across the yellow ticker Phil McNulty reporting it's just routine talks
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Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
I don't know why Wigan would need to have a press conference. It seems there is a team of cameramen stalking behind Dave Gobshite Whelan at all times like they're playing "What's the time Mr Wolf?". All he has to do is turn around and open his face again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Laurent Blanc
Bert Van Marwijk
Michael Bilek (Czech Rep)
Morton Olson
Jochim Low
Fernando Santos (Greece)
Cesare Prandelli
Paulo Bento (Portugal)
Giovanni Trapattoni
Dick Advocaat (Russia)
Vicente Del Bosque
Eric Hamren (Sweden)
Oleg Blokhin (Ukraine)
Fran Smuda (Poland)

Thats all the coaches with the exception of Hodgson who has only just being appointed and Slaven Bilic who has agreed to take over another club. Most of the standout candidates from that list would be out of our league I would imagine, then there's the language side to also consider.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 29, 2012, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 29, 2012, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.

Laurent Blanc
Bert Van Marwijk
Michael Bilek (Czech Rep)
Morton Olson
Jochim Low
Fernando Santos (Greece)
Cesare Prandelli
Paulo Bento (Portugal)
Giovanni Trapattoni
Dick Advocaat (Russia)
Vicente Del Bosque
Eric Hamren (Sweden)
Oleg Blokhin (Ukraine)
Fran Smuda (Poland)

Thats all the coaches with the exception of Hodgson who has only just being appointed and Slaven Bilic who has agreed to take over another club. Most of the standout candidates from that list would be out of our league I would imagine, then there's the language side to also consider.

That seals it. Fran Smuda it is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
I'd loathe a 2012 manager appointment. anyone can have a great tournament and not be right for the job. Oleg Blokhin for instance is a famous old name and Ukraine at home will be competitive. If so, he will become a household name again and if our board are as inept third time round at appointing a manger they may fall for a Blokhin type love-in from the media.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 29, 2012, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 29, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 29, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
Swansea have confirmed Rodgers is having talks with Liverpool today

Correction : Swansea chairman to discuss future with BR today

Didn't he describe it as 'a routine meeting'? They seem pretty busy in the transfer market, it would make sense for them to talk about that.

I read he's cut short his holiday in the States to meet his chairman.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 29, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 29, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
I'd loathe a 2012 manager appointment. anyone can have a great tournament and not be right for the job. Oleg Blokhin for instance is a famous old name and Ukraine at home will be competitive. If so, he will become a household name again and if our board are as inept third time round at appointing a manger they may fall for a Blokhin type love-in from the media.


in the unlikely event that it is any of them, i think contact will already have been made,
 and it will not depend on them having good or bad tournaments, we would only be told when the repective team goes out
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Jarpie on May 29, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.
Joachim Low?

His name has been mentioned a few times and out of all the "left field" suggestions, I think he is the best and most exciting candidate to be linked to the job.  He's done very well with Germany and has brought a lot of young players into the side.  There have been rumours that he is looking to go into club management after the Euros, but I would have thought he would be looking at Bundesliga clubs.

Joachim Löw signed new contract during qualification which keeps him till 2014 so we can rule him out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 29, 2012, 03:02:47 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Brian Kidd...

Jose Mourinho....

I like this game.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 03:03:52 PM
The reason I mentioned Joachim Low earlier on is that somewhere in my addled brain there's a memory that late last year I read somewhere that Euro 2012 would be his last tournament with Germany and that he was keen to get into club management.
He speaks good English so that wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 29, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: Jarpie on May 29, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 02:33:46 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 29, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 29, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
As mentioned in Mr Woodhall's latest article, the presence of Euro 2012 may affect the timing on the appointment of Villa's new manager.

This got me thinking (apologies if its already been discussed) as to whether there are any managers of teams in Euro 2012 who might be of interest.
Joachim Low?

His name has been mentioned a few times and out of all the "left field" suggestions, I think he is the best and most exciting candidate to be linked to the job.  He's done very well with Germany and has brought a lot of young players into the side.  There have been rumours that he is looking to go into club management after the Euros, but I would have thought he would be looking at Bundesliga clubs.

Joachim Löw signed new contract during qualification which keeps him till 2014 so we can rule him out.


i know what your saying, but Brendan Rogers signed a new contract a just a few weeks ago with Swansea, but is odds on to be the next Liverpool manager as we post
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
These are just the kind of posts I remember reading when the rumours about Alex Mcleish started.  *shudder*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Off to Williams for a punt on Ole.. How did he get on the night? last game. Wasn't June 1st mentioned as a potential signing date? Friday week!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Off to Williams for a punt on Ole.. How did he get on the night? last game. Wasn't June 1st mentioned as a potential signing date? Friday week!

Drew 1-1.

And June 1st is THIS Friday, not Friday week!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
I was hoping we were going to be a bit closer to resolution by now
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2012, 03:55:30 PM
Well, Martinez has supposedly turned down Liverpool, Whelan is shooting his mouth off at every opportunity about wanting a desision from him and Rodgers is flying home from holiday to meet the Swansea chairman, with hsi odds for Liverpool tumbling.

I think we're seeing the start of it kicking into high gear and expect to have either a manager in place or a much clearer field by Friday. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 29, 2012, 04:09:20 PM
There's lots of people flying about isn't there?  Their carbon imprint must be shocking!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
I was hoping we were going to be a bit closer to resolution by now

We are.

In the same sense that today I am closer to my pension than I was yesterday. (I am 26 years old).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 29, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
I was hoping we were going to be a bit closer to resolution by now

We are.

In the same sense that today I am closer to my pension than I was yesterday. (I am 26 years old).

26? You will never get a pension.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 04:26:27 PM
I thought it was interesting that since the story came out about Rodgers flying back from holiday to meet with his chairman he has become odds on for the Liverpool job but no-one has mentioned the possibility it could be something to do with us. There also seems to be an opinion that if Martinez doesn't go to Liverpool he will stay at Wigan, again a presumption leaving us out of the equation.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 29, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
I was hoping we were going to be a bit closer to resolution by now

We are.

In the same sense that today I am closer to my pension than I was yesterday. (I am 26 years old).

26? You will never get a pension.

Still closer to whatever endgame awaits me than I was yesterday! It'll probably be involuntary euthanasia by the time I have to give up work.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 29, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 04:26:27 PM
I thought it was interesting that since the story came out about Rodgers flying back from holiday to meet with his chairman he has become odds on for the Liverpool job but no-one has mentioned the possibility it could be something to do with us. There also seems to be an opinion that if Martinez doesn't go to Liverpool he will stay at Wigan, again a presumption leaving us out of the equation.

Thats because our stock has dropped so much within the last two years, why would they come to us? That's what the press think anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Surrey Villain on May 29, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 29, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 04:26:27 PM
I thought it was interesting that since the story came out about Rodgers flying back from holiday to meet with his chairman he has become odds on for the Liverpool job but no-one has mentioned the possibility it could be something to do with us. There also seems to be an opinion that if Martinez doesn't go to Liverpool he will stay at Wigan, again a presumption leaving us out of the equation.

Thats because our stock has dropped so much within the last two years, why would they come to us? That's what the press think anyway.

Unfortunately they are probably right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr underhill on May 29, 2012, 05:01:42 PM
FFS cheer up! We're not the only EPL club in this position at the moment . Save the shroud waving until such time as it becomes obvious that Randy and his creature have fucked up again. But on the positive side, they may actually get it right this time. I think something will happen June 1st.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 29, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?

Please tell me Carlton Palmer's banned from playing for ever.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rodders on May 29, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?

It also happens to be my birthday - please Randy, I'd like a really, really nice present please...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villafirst on May 29, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Rodders on May 29, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?

It also happens to be my birthday - please Randy, I'd like a really, really nice present please...

I wouldn't hold your breath, the clowns in charge at Villa will most likely underwhelm us yet again - the present you're hoping for will be someone like Steve Bruce!

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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 29, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
So much negativity about the time taekn to appoint a new manager.  Im pretty sure they will get it right.  gie them time.  They know they balls'd up last time and have acknowledged that so they will be out to correct it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?

Yep- david beckham!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 29, 2012, 05:41:26 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 29, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
Quote from: Rodders on May 29, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 05:07:45 PM
Why are people giving June 1st as a likely day for some news? I think that's the day the transfer window opens to officially sign and register players. Are we getting a player/manager?

It also happens to be my birthday - please Randy, I'd like a really, really nice present please...

I wouldn't hold your breath, the clowns in charge at Villa will most likely underwhelm us yet again - the present you're hoping for will be someone like Steve Bruce!



What a refreshingly new and optimistic viewpoint.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
It is very weird that we have reportedly not approached any of Swansea, Wigan or Norwich when you consider the vibrant part of the statement released looked nailed on for one of Rodgers, Martinez or Lambert.

Longer it goes on, the more I fear it will end up being Kevin Mac.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
It is very weird that we have reportedly not approached any of Swansea, Wigan or Norwich when you consider the vibrant part of the statement released looked nailed on for one of Rodgers, Martinez or Lambert.

Longer it goes on, the more I fear it will end up being Kevin Mac.

The longer it goes on, the more likely it is that it will be none of the names banded about in the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 29, 2012, 03:15:39 PM
Off to Williams for a punt on Ole.. How did he get on the night? last game. Wasn't June 1st mentioned as a potential signing date? Friday week!

Drew 1-1.

And June 1st is THIS Friday, not Friday week!

Oh shit forgot to put the bet on. Carried away shopping..better get out there again!! Double stake!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 06:01:58 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 05:56:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
It is very weird that we have reportedly not approached any of Swansea, Wigan or Norwich when you consider the vibrant part of the statement released looked nailed on for one of Rodgers, Martinez or Lambert.

Longer it goes on, the more I fear it will end up being Kevin Mac.

The longer it goes on, the more likely it is that it will be none of the names banded about in the last two weeks.

Ozz, KMac isn't 'young and vibrant' is he?

AvFc4eVeR, I totally agree with you there! If they wanted one of the obvious names surely it would have been done by now!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 06:05:49 PM
No one ever said "young". Vibrant is on there, but young is simply assumed.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 06:05:49 PM
No one ever said "young". Vibrant is on there, but young is simply assumed.

Are you saying that KMac is 'vibrant' then?  ;)
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Vibrant implies young
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 06:05:49 PM
No one ever said "young". Vibrant is on there, but young is simply assumed.

Are you saying that KMac is 'vibrant' then?  ;)


He has a nice smile.....erm...  :-\ :o
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Post by: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 06:19:30 PM
Vibrant. According to the dictionary we are looking for someone pulsating with life, vigor and activity. Someone responsive and sensitive.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 06:19:30 PM
Vibrant. According to the dictionary we are looking for someone pulsating with life, vigor and activity. Someone responsive and sensitive.

Well if thats the case our cat Felix is in with a shout!

Dunno about sensitive though.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 29, 2012, 06:19:30 PM
Vibrant. According to the dictionary we are looking for someone pulsating with life, vigor and activity. Someone responsive and sensitive.

Step forward Howard Wilkinson.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Part of me says "chill out, early days yet, see how things pan out and just enjoy the nice weather instead of worrying about this shit, just trust them to get it right".

Then another part of me screams "ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT ALEX MCLEISH WAS A GOOD APPOINTMENT".

Conflicted.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 06:55:42 PM
The more I think about it and having read most of the posts I would be very happy to go for Steve Clarke and an assistant of his choice.

As long as it isnt "The Crab"

In truth I think its between Lambert and Martinez....and possibly OGS.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Part of me says "chill out, early days yet, see how things pan out and just enjoy the nice weather instead of worrying about this shit, just trust them to get it right".

Then another part of me screams "ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT ALEX MCLEISH WAS A GOOD APPOINTMENT".

Conflicted.

Last summer, had Faulkner said "We want to find someone to reinvigorate the club. We want someone to bring some vibrancy back to Villa. That's what we need and that's what we're going to get", and then hired McWaste then I'd be shitting myself over this appointment.

This year it's different which is why I'd be stunned if the new bloke is over 45 and doesn't advocate a more pleasing (to the eye) brand of football. Any remaining credibility, the very thing they are trying to restore with a disenchanted fan base, would be shot to pieces.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I would be very surprised if we are still managerless by the weekend.
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Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 07:18:48 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I would be very surprised if we are still managerless by the weekend.


Is that a gut feeling, a fervent hope, or something more, Eastie?
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Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!

Aye,  but in a lesser of two evils scenario, I could wear that sort of wait.  Rather than a shit early appointment that effectively writes off the season (as per last year).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 29, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 06:55:42 PM
In truth I think its between Lambert and Martinez....and possibly OGS.

Can't see how it can be Lambert at this point - if we wanted him, we'd have got him by now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 29, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 29, 2012, 06:55:42 PM
In truth I think its between Lambert and Martinez....and possibly OGS.

Can't see how it can be Lambert at this point - if we wanted him, we'd have got him by now.

Not if he was a back up choice behind martinez and we were waiting on him to make a decision .

Just an opinion or gut feeling as they say .
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
Fair enough Eastie, hope you're right!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!

Aye,  but in a lesser of two evils scenario, I could wear that sort of wait.  Rather than a shit early appointment that effectively writes off the season (as per last year).

But you effectively write off half the season by not appointing a manager until end of August because you dont allow time for transfers, which we need as badly as a manager right now.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 29, 2012, 07:38:55 PM
It's not going to be Kmac, if it was he'd have been hired already. He'd be a shocking appointment, we need someone to come in and completely change the club. We don't need someone from within the club. I'm beginning to think it's more likely to be a manager from outside the UK, just because the media normally are pretty clued up on what is happening within England but when it comes to other countries they are less so.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!

Aye,  but in a lesser of two evils scenario, I could wear that sort of wait.  Rather than a shit early appointment that effectively writes off the season (as per last year).

But you effectively write off half the season by not appointing a manager until end of August because you dont allow time for transfers, which we need as badly as a manager right now.

Quite right, needs to be done now(ish) so that the backroom can be organised and new players brought in before pre-season. That's pretty crucial I think, considering that we are three players down on a very light squad already!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ad@m on May 29, 2012, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

I don't think compensation payments get rounded up to the next full year!

The sooner we can get someone in the better.  The club's effectively in limbo at the moment with no one running the football side of things.  It's not like we've got a DOF who can carry on with scouting, etc.  The football team is completely rudderless at the moment and we need a manager in to start moulding the team the way he wants it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
All our players are on holiday at the mo anyway,so what difference does a couple of weeks make?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ad@m on May 29, 2012, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
All our players are on holiday at the mo anyway,so what difference does a couple of weeks make?

The players will be away for ages but running a football club is more than just training the players you've currently got (although that seemed to be beyond TSM!).
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2012, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 29, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Part of me says "chill out, early days yet, see how things pan out and just enjoy the nice weather instead of worrying about this shit, just trust them to get it right".

Then another part of me screams "ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT ALEX MCLEISH WAS A GOOD APPOINTMENT".

Conflicted.

Last summer, had Faulkner said "We want to find someone to reinvigorate the club. We want someone to bring some vibrancy back to Villa. That's what we need and that's what we're going to get", and then hired McWaste then I'd be shitting myself over this appointment.

This year it's different which is why I'd be stunned if the new bloke is over 45 and doesn't advocate a more pleasing (to the eye) brand of football. Any remaining credibility, the very thing they are trying to restore with a disenchanted fan base, would be shot to pieces.

Yes but look at what they said about McLeish last summer.

In fact, only last week, I heard Faulkner defending the appointment, citing AM having a great record (seriously) and saying "it's easy to say it was a bad appointment with hindsight".

After last year I wouldn't put anything past this lot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 07:58:43 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 07:52:37 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 29, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Part of me says "chill out, early days yet, see how things pan out and just enjoy the nice weather instead of worrying about this shit, just trust them to get it right".

Then another part of me screams "ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT ALEX MCLEISH WAS A GOOD APPOINTMENT".

Conflicted.
Same as that!

Last summer, had Faulkner said "We want to find someone to reinvigorate the club. We want someone to bring some vibrancy back to Villa. That's what we need and that's what we're going to get", and then hired McWaste then I'd be shitting myself over this appointment.

This year it's different which is why I'd be stunned if the new bloke is over 45 and doesn't advocate a more pleasing (to the eye) brand of football. Any remaining credibility, the very thing they are trying to restore with a disenchanted fan base, would be shot to pieces.

Yes but look at what they said about McLeish last summer.

In fact, only last week, I heard Faulkner defending the appointment, citing AM having a great record (seriously) and saying "it's easy to say it was a bad appointment with hindsight".

After last year I wouldn't put anything past this lot.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2012, 08:00:41 PM
I'd like to think that because they went for someone like OGS, that's the kind of direction they're still looking in. There is that worry that they went from wanting Martinez to appointing Mcleish last year but i can't see them making the same mistake twice. They'll need a positive appointment this time round and i think and hope they realise this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)

No quotes there, Swansea only confirmed this afternoon that they'd received 'no further contact' from Liverpool. I'll write that off to BBC speculation. They've been doing the same on R5 tonight based purely on the bookies odds! Just lazy. Who does Whelan think he is giving them a deadline? What a twat!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 29, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)
Who does Whelan think he is giving them a deadline? What a twat!

He's giving Martinez a deadline more than anything and i agree with him on that, he'll want it sorted asap so he can start looking for a new manager himself.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)

No quotes there, Swansea only confirmed this afternoon that they'd received 'no further contact' from Liverpool. I'll write that off to BBC speculation. They've been doing the same on R5 tonight based purely on the bookies odds! Just lazy. Who does Whelan think he is giving them a deadline? What a twat!

You may well be right, but I cant help but think that if there is something in this, it might get the managerial merry go round turning again.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!

Aye,  but in a lesser of two evils scenario, I could wear that sort of wait.  Rather than a shit early appointment that effectively writes off the season (as per last year).

But you effectively write off half the season by not appointing a manager until end of August because you dont allow time for transfers, which we need as badly as a manager right now.

Maybe I'm not making my point clear enough, so apologies.

I don't want  us to wait until late August at all.

But -if it's a straight choice out of having to wait until that date for a good manager (and I'm not saying we will have to)  or getting a McLeish/ McCarthy style appointment nice and early, just to fulfil the objective of not keeping some of our more impatient lot waiting, I'll take the wait everytime.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 29, 2012, 07:50:42 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
All our players are on holiday at the mo anyway,so what difference does a couple of weeks make?

The players will be away for ages but running a football club is more than just training the players you've currently got (although that seemed to be beyond TSM!).
There will be no new manager into our club until mid July in my view. Let it all settle down for a while and then make a decision.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 08:13:53 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 29, 2012, 07:00:17 PM
For that reason, I want them to take their time. 


Far better that we leave it until late June (or even August)  rather than a rushed appointment just for the sake of it.

Chances are, if the manager they're after is currently attached, it's not as easy as clicking their fingers and saying 'want that one.'   Most contracts run from June>June. Waiting a few weeks might mean the difference between needing to pay compo for 3 years or paying compo for 2.  Or there might be a stipulation that the manager they're after has a small window before his current contact renews when he can talk to other sides.

Waiting until August would be stupid as a lot of hard work needs to be done before we even contemplate another game of football!

Aye,  but in a lesser of two evils scenario, I could wear that sort of wait.  Rather than a shit early appointment that effectively writes off the season (as per last year).

But you effectively write off half the season by not appointing a manager until end of August because you dont allow time for transfers, which we need as badly as a manager right now.

Maybe I'm not making my point clear enough, so apologies.

I don't want  us to wait until late August at all.

But -if it's a straight choice out of having to wait until that date for a good manager (and I'm not saying we will have to)  or getting a McLeish/ McCarthy style appointment nice and early, just to fulfil the objective of not keeping some of our more impatient lot waiting, I'll take the wait everytime.

No, I fully understand your point, and to a certain extent agree. I know you dont want us to wait until late August like everyone.

But I think the club has to balance waiting for right manager against the amount of time required to make a meaningful difference before the season begins.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 29, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I would be very surprised if we are still managerless by the weekend.
Based on what exactly ?
I'm still very concerned that Faulkner is a big part it appears of the selection process
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 29, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 29, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)
Who does Whelan think he is giving them a deadline? What a twat!

He's giving Martinez a deadline more than anything and i agree with him on that, he'll want it sorted asap so he can start looking for a new manager himself.

Fair enough Clampy, I just think Whelan is a self-promoting twit who can't resist the sound of his own voice or reading his own quotes in the press. He comes out with a different deadline every other hour and is a deluded fool if he thinks that anyone will pay attention to it, even when he claims all of the credit for what he has no idea will happen! Oooooh, do I NOT like Whelan!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
The most sensible thing iv'e read all day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TheSandman on May 29, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.

Until they get relegated. Which will happen sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 29, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I would be very surprised if we are still managerless by the weekend.
Based on what exactly ?
I'm still very concerned that Faulkner is a big part it appears of the selection process

eastie, Im not picking a fight or having a go, but last week you seemed 'surprised' that we hadnt called a press conference on the Tuesday morning regarding OGS, and as it turned out, it couldnt have been further from the truth.

So based on past experience, I am willing to bet that, when Saturday comes... you will be surprised!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 29, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
tbf I think Ole's decision surprised a lot of us!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 29, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 29, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
I would be very surprised if we are still managerless by the weekend.
Based on what exactly ?
I'm still very concerned that Faulkner is a big part it appears of the selection process

eastie, Im not picking a fight or having a go, but last week you seemed 'surprised' that we hadnt called a press conference on the Tuesday morning regarding OGS, and as it turned out, it couldnt have been further from the truth.

So based on past experience, I am willing to bet that, when Saturday comes... you will be surprised!
Or?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: TheSandman on May 29, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.

Until they get relegated. Which will happen sooner rather than later.

Which has been said the last few seasons but he just seems to do enough.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DB on May 29, 2012, 08:41:49 PM
I think they went for OGS, thinking he would come, but have no 2nd option lined up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: brian green on May 29, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
The was an episode in Dad's Army in which Captain Mainwaring's younger brother turned up.   He was a buffoon and a loudmouth.   I cannot get the idea out of my head that Whelan is the reprobate younger brother of Doug Ellis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charlie on May 29, 2012, 08:48:57 PM
Dont insult Sir Doug
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 29, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
The was an episode in Dad's Army in which Captain Mainwaring's younger brother turned up.   He was a buffoon and a loudmouth.   I cannot get the idea out of my head that Whelan is the reprobate younger brother of Doug Ellis.

In fairness I think that is not a bad description of Whelan. You can see the pair of them on one of Dougs package holidays smoothing out the deal for Roberto to become Villa boss with no fuss at all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 29, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: DB on May 29, 2012, 08:41:49 PM
I think they went for OGS, thinking he would come, but have no 2nd option lined up.
As each day passes it starts to look that way
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 09:04:03 PM
As each day passes each day seems to get longer and longer.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
I think we're into the last week now, based on nothing but a hunch.
Be patient. In footballing terms this isn't taking long at all, yet.

If they're smart though and they're after a decent manager, they might let something slip in time for the renewal deadline on thursday.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 29, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 09:04:03 PM
As each day passes each day seems to get longer and longer.
until June 21st, then they get shorter and shorter...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
We live in hope.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2012, 09:12:50 PM
I don't care how long it takes as long as they get the right manager and it only takes another week at the most!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 29, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
I think we're into the last week now, based on nothing but a hunch.
Be patient. In footballing terms this isn't taking long at all, yet.

If they're smart though and they're after a decent manager, they might let something slip in time for the renewal deadline on thursday.
When you say renewal deadline you mean the cheaper price offer?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: brian green on May 29, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
My son told me the renewal date was June 18th.   Is it really next Thursday?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
The most sensible thing iv'e read all day.

Wide of the mark for me.

Martinez's stock will be never be higher than it is now. All he has to do is stay at Wigan another couple of years and the likelihood is they'll run out of luck, get relegated, and he will be forgotten about.

Staying at Wigan for more money would be the daftest thing he could do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Matt C on May 29, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Whatever happens now, I don't think Martinez will be staying at Wigan. He's done all he can there and as Paulie says, his stock is as high as it ever is going to be - time to call it a day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2012, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
The most sensible thing iv'e read all day.

Wide of the mark for me.

Martinez's stock will be never be higher than it is now. All he has to do is stay at Wigan another couple of years and the likelihood is they'll run out of luck, get relegated, and he will be forgotten about.

Staying at Wigan for more money would be the daftest thing he could do.

I totally agree with this.  Couple it with the fact that he's going to lose Moses, Rodallega and Diame and probably not have a great deal of money to replace them with, I'd say he needs to be able to read his own club and see what's coming.  Getting out now, especially to Aston Villa (although it appears less likely) would really suit him. Villa are ripe for managing, I think he'll get money and a free hand to do what he feels needs doing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
I also appreciate that Diame and Rodallega didn't play every week but they added to the squad and will still need replacing.
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Post by: Mister E on May 29, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 29, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
My son told me the renewal date was June 18th.   Is it really next Thursday?
end of May is the "prices held" deadline, Brian.
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Post by: nigel on May 29, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: charlie on May 29, 2012, 08:48:57 PM
Dont insult Sir Doug
More like: Don't insult Wealan
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Post by: brian green on May 29, 2012, 09:47:28 PM
Thanks Mister E
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Post by: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 10:01:29 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on May 29, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 29, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
I think we're into the last week now, based on nothing but a hunch.
Be patient. In footballing terms this isn't taking long at all, yet.

If they're smart though and they're after a decent manager, they might let something slip in time for the renewal deadline on thursday.
When you say renewal deadline you mean the cheaper price offer?

Yes, sorry, the early bird offer. The club will want to encourage fans to take that up as much as possible.
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Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2012, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Vibrant implies young
Do you know any teenagers?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 29, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
The most sensible thing iv'e read all day.

Wide of the mark for me.

Martinez's stock will be never be higher than it is now. All he has to do is stay at Wigan another couple of years and the likelihood is they'll run out of luck, get relegated, and he will be forgotten about.

Staying at Wigan for more money would be the daftest thing he could do.


agree with Paulie here,
 if he stays at Wigan by choice he's mad, but i dont think he will, he is a ambitious man that believes in himself,and i'm sure he would leave to go on to a bigger chalenge,

i just dont think he's been offered that opportunity yet by either Liverpool or Villa, so he hasnt got a decision to make untill that happens
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Post by: Irish villain on May 29, 2012, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
All our players are on holiday at the mo anyway,so what difference does a couple of weeks make?

We have a lot of deadwood to clear out and a lot of new players will need to be brought in. We simply cannot, let me repeat, cannot start the new season on a 'letting the new man assess things' vibe. The current squad nearly got us relegated. Major surgery is needed this summer and they will need a few weeks pre-season together in order to start looking like a team.

The sooner the new man is in, the sooner we start to recover.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.

Exactly what he did last summer.  Both he and Whelan knew he was going nowhere and they both came out looking like heroes to the Wigan fans.   
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: john e on May 29, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 29, 2012, 08:24:55 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.
The most sensible thing iv'e read all day.

Wide of the mark for me.

Martinez's stock will be never be higher than it is now. All he has to do is stay at Wigan another couple of years and the likelihood is they'll run out of luck, get relegated, and he will be forgotten about.

Staying at Wigan for more money would be the daftest thing he could do.


agree with Paulie here,
 if he stays at Wigan by choice he's mad, but i dont think he will, he is a ambitious man that believes in himself,and i'm sure he would leave to go on to a bigger chalenge,

i just dont think he's been offered that opportunity yet by either Liverpool or Villa, so he hasnt got a decision to make untill that happens


I agree. And I can't believe for a second that we have not been in contact with his people and told them he is our top choice, because the delay/ silence at the moment all points to us waiting for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 10:56:05 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-liverpool-manager-brendan-rodgers-853325

Brendan Rodgers is close to sealing a deal to become the new Liverpool manager.

Swansea boss Rodgers is expected to hold talks with Reds' co-owner John W Henry, and could be announced by the end of the week.

In a further twist, Wigan gaffer Roberto Martinez, who had been favourite for the Anfield post, is set to move to Aston Villa.

Henry has been impressed by the job Rodgers has done at Swansea, winning promotion to the Premier league and surviving comfortably while preaching attractive football, and feels the 39-year-old fits his template as a young, rising manager.

Rodgers spent Tuesday ­afternoon locked in talks with Swans chairman Huw Jenkins, who is desperately fighting to hang on to the Ulsterman, who watched Wales play their friendly international against Mexico in New York at the weekend.

Initially, Rodgers ruled himself out of the running for the Liverpool job because he did not want to be part of a beauty contest as Henry compiled a long list of candidates.

Let's talk: Henry (right) will now speak to Rodgers on the Ulsterman's terms
AFP
 
But with Henry arriving in England this week from his Boston base, the Reds are now ready to speak to Rodgers on his terms - although Swansea insist they have had no approach yet from their Premier League rivals - and hope for a joint unveiling of him and Louis van Gaal within days.

Rodgers earned his reputation as a coach under Jose Mourinho at Chelsea, but went on to become a manager in his own right at Watford and then Reading.

He was being lined-up by Tottenham as a potential replacement for Harry Redknapp, if he had been wanted by the FA as England manager.

But now Rodgers is set to take the reins at Anfield after Henry cooled his interest in Martinez.

Although the American was impressed by the Wigan boss when they met in Miami on Thursday, the Spaniard has misgivings about working under a high-profile director of football such as Van Gaal.

Martinez, who was greeted by a battery of photographers at Manchester Airport when he returned from his holiday in Barbados on Tuesday, is wary of interference from above and likes to be in charge of all football matters.

Latics chairman Dave Whelan is heartened to hear that Rodgers is now favourite and said: “I hope they sign him, but I have not heard from my manager yet.”

Whelan is fighting hard to hang on to Martinez, but is set to lose him anyway - to another American - Villa chairman Randy Lerner.

Worth the wait?: Martinez snubbed Villa last summer but is ready to move now
Laurence Griffiths
 
Eager Lerner hopes to resolve the saga on Wednesday, after being informed by Martinez’s representatives that he will consider the job.

Ironically, Martinez turned down the Villa job last summer in favour of staying for another season with the Latics, but he is now believed to be open to succeeding Alex McLeish.

Villa’s search for a new manager is now in its third week.

Molde boss and Manchester United legend Ole Gunnar Solskjær has rejected the chance to take over at Villa Park, but Martinez has always been Lerner’s top target and the American is on a mission to make an appointment by the weekend.

Villa are prepared to promise their new man significant funds for signings, in what will represent a drastic change in policy from Lerner.

McLeish was instructed to lower a mammoth wage-bill and was expecting a sell-to-buy policy this summer, if he had survived the axe.
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Post by: john e on May 29, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: James on May 29, 2012, 07:55:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 29, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Looks like Rodgers is now talking to Liverpool, Lets hope for an OGS u-turn then...

Not according to Swansea he's not!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961)

No quotes there, Swansea only confirmed this afternoon that they'd received 'no further contact' from Liverpool. I'll write that off to BBC speculation. They've been doing the same on R5 tonight based purely on the bookies odds! Just lazy. Who does Whelan think he is giving them a deadline? What a twat!


still reckon Rodgers is or will be talking to Liverpool, and think they are now fovourites to land him, whether Swansea admit it or not.

but as ever we shall see
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 29, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 10:56:05 PM
htt://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-liverpool-manager-brendan-rodgers-

In a further twist, Wigan gaffer Roberto Martinez, who had been favourite for the Anfield post, is set to move to Aston Villa.


I hope not. I am sure Whelan will convince him that if he stays another season and saves Wigan from relegation Barcelona will come for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 29, 2012, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 10:52:28 PM
I agree. And I can't believe for a second that we have not been in contact with his people and told them he is our top choice, because the delay/ silence at the moment all points to us waiting for him.

Yeah, the club are definitely waiting for someone....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 29, 2012, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 29, 2012, 10:56:05 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-liverpool-manager-brendan-rodgers-853325

Brendan Rodgers is close to sealing a deal to become the new Liverpool manager.

Swansea boss Rodgers is expected to hold talks with Reds' co-owner John W Henry, and could be announced by the end of the week.

In a further twist, Wigan gaffer Roberto Martinez, who had been favourite for the Anfield post, is set to move to Aston Villa.

Henry has been impressed by the job Rodgers has done at Swansea, winning promotion to the Premier league and surviving comfortably while preaching attractive football, and feels the 39-year-old fits his template as a young, rising manager.

Rodgers spent Tuesday ­afternoon locked in talks with Swans chairman Huw Jenkins, who is desperately fighting to hang on to the Ulsterman, who watched Wales play their friendly international against Mexico in New York at the weekend.

Initially, Rodgers ruled himself out of the running for the Liverpool job because he did not want to be part of a beauty contest as Henry compiled a long list of candidates.

Let's talk: Henry (right) will now speak to Rodgers on the Ulsterman's terms
AFP
 
But with Henry arriving in England this week from his Boston base, the Reds are now ready to speak to Rodgers on his terms - although Swansea insist they have had no approach yet from their Premier League rivals - and hope for a joint unveiling of him and Louis van Gaal within days.

Rodgers earned his reputation as a coach under Jose Mourinho at Chelsea, but went on to become a manager in his own right at Watford and then Reading.

He was being lined-up by Tottenham as a potential replacement for Harry Redknapp, if he had been wanted by the FA as England manager.

But now Rodgers is set to take the reins at Anfield after Henry cooled his interest in Martinez.

Although the American was impressed by the Wigan boss when they met in Miami on Thursday, the Spaniard has misgivings about working under a high-profile director of football such as Van Gaal.

Martinez, who was greeted by a battery of photographers at Manchester Airport when he returned from his holiday in Barbados on Tuesday, is wary of interference from above and likes to be in charge of all football matters.

Latics chairman Dave Whelan is heartened to hear that Rodgers is now favourite and said: “I hope they sign him, but I have not heard from my manager yet.”

Whelan is fighting hard to hang on to Martinez, but is set to lose him anyway - to another American - Villa chairman Randy Lerner.

Worth the wait?: Martinez snubbed Villa last summer but is ready to move now
Laurence Griffiths
 
Eager Lerner hopes to resolve the saga on Wednesday, after being informed by Martinez’s representatives that he will consider the job.

Ironically, Martinez turned down the Villa job last summer in favour of staying for another season with the Latics, but he is now believed to be open to succeeding Alex McLeish.

Villa’s search for a new manager is now in its third week.

Molde boss and Manchester United legend Ole Gunnar Solskjær has rejected the chance to take over at Villa Park, but Martinez has always been Lerner’s top target and the American is on a mission to make an appointment by the weekend.

Villa are prepared to promise their new man significant funds for signings, in what will represent a drastic change in policy from Lerner.

McLeish was instructed to lower a mammoth wage-bill and was expecting a sell-to-buy policy this summer, if he had survived the axe.

Nice! (if true)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
If they want Martinez and are prepared to give him money (and they have got to, we have at best 10 or 12 players of proven PL quality, which is nothing like good enough) then I hope they get him.

At least he tries to play football. I never got the idea McLeish was even interested in trying, he was such a piss poor excuse of a manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 29, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
As an aside, I think that Mirror story points to Rodgers having a huge ego. You can see both Liverpool and Villa are following a business model of interviewing multiple candidates rather than headhunting (is this an American thing in sport?) and as his stock is high right now, Rodgers clearly thinks he's above the interview process. One season in the Premier has exceeded all expectations, but he was 90 minutes away from being a nearly man if the Play-Off Final had gone differently. I don't have any sympathy for the Dippers but a bit of humility goes a long way.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Pete Colley has stated on Twitter that he has been told there will be an appointment by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 29, 2012, 11:52:14 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 29, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
As an aside, I think that Mirror story points to Rodgers having a huge ego. You can see both Liverpool and Villa are following a business model of interviewing multiple candidates rather than headhunting (is this an American thing in sport?) and as his stock is high right now, Rodgers clearly thinks he's above the interview process. One season in the Premier has exceeded all expectations, but he was 90 minutes away from being a nearly man if the Play-Off Final had gone differently. I don't have any sympathy for the Dippers but a bit of humility goes a long way.

I can see it from Rodgers point of view.

Liverpool were asking him to inflict all that uncertainty on Swansea merely for the chance of an interview as one of a dozen or so.

Fair play to him on two fronts there - not demeaning Swansea and standing up for his own self worth.

I suspect Henry thought managers would sell their grannies for the mere chance of getting the Luverpool job. Wrong.

I can only think of one manager who'd definitely do that, but pubehead's time has passed.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Pete Colley has stated on Twitter that he has been told there will be an appointment by the end of the week.

we that's that then!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Pete Colley has stated on Twitter that he has been told there will be an appointment by the end of the week.

we that's that then!

Not at all.  Not sure what his track record is like when it comes to predictions, but as a Villa fan, I can't see why he would put that if it was unsubstantiated. 
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Pete Colley has stated on Twitter that he has been told there will be an appointment by the end of the week.

we that's that then!

Not at all.  Not sure what his track record is like when it comes to predictions, but as a Villa fan, I can't see why he would put that if it was unsubstantiated. 

You do know he works for Sky don't you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 29, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
If they want Martinez and are prepared to give him money (and they have got to, we have at best 10 or 12 players of proven PL quality, which is nothing like good enough) then I hope they get him.

At least he tries to play football. I never got the idea McLeish was even interested in trying, he was such a piss poor excuse of a manager.

I will be optimistic about next season if Martinez arrives and gets a decent budget. 
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 30, 2012, 12:14:57 AM
Quote from: TheSandman on May 29, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM
Maybe, just maybe Martinez is boxing clever - he virtually has a job for life at Wigan with no wild expectations. Whelan likes him and wants him to stay but recognises that
he is in demand . Martinez courts the prospective clubs and then reaffirms his love of Wigan and gets another pay rise. Seems a good strategy to me - ok he may lack ambition but hey, why put yourself under pressure and stress at the likes of Anfield or Villa Park if you can earn millions keeping Wigan in the top flight each season.

Until they get relegated. Which will happen sooner rather than later.


Probably when there are no other clubs beginning with 'W' in the division.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 29, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Don't know if it has already been mentioned, but Pete Colley has stated on Twitter that he has been told there will be an appointment by the end of the week.

we that's that then!

Not at all.  Not sure what his track record is like when it comes to predictions, but as a Villa fan, I can't see why he would put that if it was unsubstantiated. 

You do know he works for Sky don't you?

Point taken Dave!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
If he comes I would take great pleasure in the fact that we had won the day over bloody Whelan eventually.

He plays football, and you get the feeling if he could build without selling his best players all the time and not being able to replace them he might do ok. I don't think the scale of the selling would be the same at Villa, and he can certainly bring Moses and McCarthy with him if he wants to.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: usav on May 30, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
If he comes I would take great pleasure in the fact that we had won the day over bloody Whelan eventually.

He plays football, and you get the feeling if he could build without selling his best players all the time and not being able to replace them he might do ok. I don't think the scale of the selling would be the same at Villa, and he can certainly bring Moses and McCarthy with him if he wants to.

......not to mention getting the best out of N'Zog - we know there is a cracking player in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 12:26:43 AM
Not my first choice but a guy I can get behind. And I doubt he'd be coming if there wasn't some financial backing.
Lots of question marks but then I cant imagine there are many likely candidates without them so, bring it on.

It will be interesting at least if he's coming and lets hope the woeful form in the first half of the season is more to do with Wigan's limitations than Martinez's.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: usav on May 30, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
If he comes I would take great pleasure in the fact that we had won the day over bloody Whelan eventually.

He plays football, and you get the feeling if he could build without selling his best players all the time and not being able to replace them he might do ok. I don't think the scale of the selling would be the same at Villa, and he can certainly bring Moses and McCarthy with him if he wants to.

......not to mention getting the best out of N'Zog - we know there is a cracking player in there somewhere.

Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Pete3206 on May 30, 2012, 12:58:29 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2012, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: usav on May 30, 2012, 12:23:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
If he comes I would take great pleasure in the fact that we had won the day over bloody Whelan eventually.

He plays football, and you get the feeling if he could build without selling his best players all the time and not being able to replace them he might do ok. I don't think the scale of the selling would be the same at Villa, and he can certainly bring Moses and McCarthy with him if he wants to.

......not to mention getting the best out of N'Zog - we know there is a cracking player in there somewhere.

Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

Year 1 I'll just take us being exciting again. Where watching Aston Villa doesn't cause an ulcer. He knows what makes N'Zogbia tick and if he can find a way to get the ball to Bent on a regular basis then who knows where that could take us. I'll also be a lot more interested in our signings as they'd be players that don't have shins the shape of 50 pence pieces and can actually knock it about a bit. Moses is in the last year of his deal at Wigan and Rodallega is on a free. Maybe we could pinch one or both of them.

I just want to see us keep the ball on the deck and create chances again. Martinez might not win us the league but he will find a way to entertain us
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 30, 2012, 12:58:29 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?

I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KRS on May 30, 2012, 01:29:27 AM
If we end up getting Martinez, why in gods name would anyone want him to bring Moses with him???!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 30, 2012, 04:08:07 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 30, 2012, 12:58:29 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?

I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.

It hurts, but you are right.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 04:47:47 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 30, 2012, 01:29:27 AM
If we end up getting Martinez, why in gods name would anyone want him to bring Moses with him???!!!

Stick him on the outside. He's better than Marc.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 06:24:31 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 30, 2012, 04:08:07 AM
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Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?

I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.

It hurts, but you are right.

I think that's the first time anyone on here agreed with me!
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 30, 2012, 06:32:22 AM
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Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?

I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.

It hurts, but you are right.

I think that's the first time anyone on here agreed with me!

Heh 8) Well the lad is a local born Villa man. We all want him to succeed but he just has never clicked into a top flight forward or even winger for us.

So yeah I think you are right. If MON comes for him we should sell.

Alas.
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:37:58 AM
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Well quite. If he can get 10 goals out of NZogbia and him, Bent, Ireland and Agbonlahor into the same team and firing, we will score goals. Just the other end I worry about. It would be interesting to see him adopt the 3-4-3 he played in the last few weeks at Wigan.

I think Gabby may well have played his last match for Villa.

Why's that?

I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.

It hurts, but you are right.

I think that's the first time anyone on here agreed with me!

Heh 8) Well the lad is a local born Villa man. We all want him to succeed but he just has never clicked into a top flight forward or even winger for us.

So yeah I think you are right. If MON comes for him we should sell.

Alas.

He's not going anywhere. He wore the armband last year and Lerner likes him. I agree he hasn't been nearly as productive as we need him to be.. but he's going nowhere.

Randy wouldn't sell a backpack full of AIDS to Martin O'Neill.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 30, 2012, 07:07:05 AM
apparently rodney marsh has tweeted that Martinez has chosen us over Liverpool?
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:12:46 AM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:37:58 AM
He's not going anywhere. He wore the armband last year and Lerner likes him. I agree he hasn't been nearly as productive as we need him to be.. but he's going nowhere.

Randy wouldn't sell a backpack full of AIDS to Martin O'Neill.

He did indeed wear the armband - because there was no-one else left! And he wasn't exactly an inspirational leader, so I think we can pass over that as a reason why he'll stay.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:16:11 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 30, 2012, 07:07:05 AM
apparently rodney marsh has tweeted that Martinez has chosen us over Liverpool?

He also tweeted that he "didn't know 100%" or something similar.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 07:22:40 AM
I hope IF we are in for Martinez that he comes, as he is much more like what I want from a manager in terms of style of play. But something is nagging at me this morning that it is not him we are after.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 07:35:27 AM
Wigan fans on their forums don't even see us as a possibility, let alone him considering us. I can see another Whelan extravaganza on the way.
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Post by: amfy on May 30, 2012, 07:57:46 AM
Gabby actually started last season really well, then got injured. For me it was obvious that when he returned he was still injured. I completely fail to believe that he lost 2 yards of pace due to "not being interested".
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 30, 2012, 08:02:51 AM
Hang on, I thought Thursdays were Martinez. Wednesdays are Mick McCarthy
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Post by: sid1964 on May 30, 2012, 08:08:01 AM
Whelan will soon be on Sky Sports telling the world how he knew that Martniez would not leave for liverpool and there is NO chance he will go to the Villa as they not a big enough club for Martinez, and the only club he will leave Wigan for is Barcelona!!!

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Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:08:36 AM
Quote from: damon green on May 30, 2012, 08:02:51 AM
Hang on, I thought Thursdays were Martinez. Wednesdays are Mick McCarthy


thats the problem on here nowadays, no ones got any respect for the traditions
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 07:35:27 AM
Wigan fans on their forums don't even see us as a possibility, let alone him considering us. I can see another Whelan extravaganza on the way.
Well, Villa is the perfect next step for any one of Rodgers, Martinez, Lambert and OGS: expectations are zero ('cos the previous two seasons have been a nightmare), the Chairman will back them with more lucre than they'll get at their current club, the core of our squad has good potential, great facilities, etc.
Why put yerself through the aggro of going to Anfield and failing when you can spend 3-4 seasons at VP and then consider the next step (if you haven't already won a couple of cups and a Premiership?!).

Seriously, at this particular point in time it's almost a no-brainer - of the four mentioned managers, only OGS has a good excuse for turning us down, in that he's still reasonably new to it and will not be lacking for offers in 12 month' time; for the other three, it is time for a career-move NOW.
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Post by: damon loves JT on May 30, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
If all this is true, what surprises me is that Liverpool are in the same market as Villa after all.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 08:36:40 AM
As someone has already said a step up up from a Wigan, Swansea, or a foreign side.... to Villa is the perfect stepping stone for someone with big ambitions to make it at a bigger club, it's a make-or-break job....
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Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 08:43:29 AM
I'm warming to the idea of Martinez.

I think Lambert is a slightly more solid bet and would stiffen our group of underachieving players and turn us into a solid outfit. Martinez though, I don't know, he has that air of freshness about him. He could well be the man to build something durable and exciting.

If we end up with either I'll be quite happy. It'd be great to get one over on 'pool too.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 08:46:43 AM
I'd be happy enough with Martinez, with some backing I think he could get our team playing really well.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 30, 2012, 08:57:24 AM
Claudio Ranieri has just been appointed Monaco manager so that's one that's definitely not coming, either here or to the Albion. Monaco or Albion. That must have been a tough choice.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 30, 2012, 09:02:15 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 08:46:43 AM
I'd be happy enough with Martinez, with some backing I think he could get our team playing really well.

Well  Martinez brings a bonus or two. He knows N'Zogbia well and hes good with players who have skill
Delph who has fast skills could benefit and Makoun could become a valuable asset.

But Aston Villa (and for that matter Liverpool) are a far far different  prospect than a small town club like Wigan.

Still Paul Lambert for me. A good pairing however would be Steve Clarke and Gus Poyet. They fit the job description.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
I don't really have anything against Martinez, but where I see a weakness with him is his sides play nice stuff, but seem to lack a backbone.  Good sides can play teams off the park, yet when that isn't happening grind out draws and 1-0 wins.  His Wigan side seem incapable of doing that, hence being a regular relegation candidate as they haven't the players to often play teams off the park.

For me, it points to a lack of steel in the manager.  He has a cheerful and friendly exteria, which I like, but behind closed doors can he switch to the hard edges bastard needed when kicks up several arses are needed?  And a lot of our players need that right now.  Even if he has cash to spend and so can move them on, the next batch will, hopefully less often, need that same hair dryer treatment. 

Should he become manager we'll be playing better stuff more often, but I can see long runs of poor results where he fails to get the right reaction out of the players to turn it around.
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 30, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
What has Martinez done in the game that warrants us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to be chasing him. I just don't see it? I'm not dissing the guy, but I just want someone to point out to me why this guy is regarded as such a good manager. I want to know so I can get excited if he is appointed Villa manager.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 30, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
What has Martinez done in the game that warrants us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to be chasing him. I just don't see it? I'm not dissing the guy, but I just want someone to point out to me why this guy is regarded as such a good manager. I want to know so I can get excited if he is appointed Villa manager.

I guess the arguments are that he plays good football, he's articulate and has a modern mentality when it comes to football. Also he's managed to keep a very poor resourced Wigan side up for a number of years, including finishing above us last year. I imagine when interviewed he also has quite a progressive vision. I'm not saying he's perfect, but maybe he needs to be given a chance at a bigger club with some backing to show what he can really do. His basic football principles are spot on.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 30, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Anyone got the latest odds?

Paul Lambert for me, I've decided.

By the way, I notice that Butch Wilkins is facing a dring driving rap - 3 times the limit ( I'd be lucky to even find my car in a car park after that much ale, let alone drive). 
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Post by: steffo on May 30, 2012, 09:26:13 AM
Wigan struggled to score goals last season, so at the end and in order to stay up he bravely changed his system to 3-5-2 to give support to the strikers and it worked. Credit for that.

Of course if he employed a three centre back system at VP - it would mean the end of Hutton and Warnock. That cannot be a bad thing.
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 30, 2012, 09:26:43 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 30, 2012, 09:22:07 AM
Anyone got the latest odds?

Paul Lambert for me, I've decided.

By the way, I notice that Butch Wilkins is facing a dring driving rap - 3 times the limit ( I'd be lucky to even find my car in a car park after that much ale, let alone drive). 
And pleaded not guilty the daft sod.
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
I don't really have anything against Martinez, but where I see a weakness with him is his sides play nice stuff, but seem to lack a backbone. 
I tend to agree with this, John, and voted above for Rodgers as someone with big-club experience (at Chelsea) and a team that generally has been able to close out games. Lambert would also be safer.
I think Martinez has been surfing the wave of media goodwill toward him - maybe because his teams do try to play football (to a fault?) and precisely because he is an articulate, charming chap (he doesn't given the media a hard time).
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 09:38:50 AM
Lambert 6-4/13-8,  Martinez 2-1/6-4, Benitez 8-1/9-1.
No one else in the frame.

I stuck a tenner on Ole at 16-1 last night. Already got Lambert at 7-2.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2012, 09:39:02 AM

Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
I don't really have anything against Martinez, but where I see a weakness with him is his sides play nice stuff, but seem to lack a backbone. 

I'd agree with that - he seemed to have trouble organising a defence, as well.

Although, to be honest, we've just had a season of playing terrible stuff whilst lacking a back bone, so even Martinez's thing would be an improvement.
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Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 09:38:50 AM
Lambert 6-4/13-8,  Martinez 2-1/6-4, Benitez 8-1/9-1.
No one else in the frame.

I stuck a tenner on Ole at 16-1 last night. Already got Lambert at 7-2.
A tenner on Ole? Do you know something Brian? Will there be Norwegian style name changes again across this forum?
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 30, 2012, 09:39:02 AM
I'd agree with that - he seemed to have trouble organising a defence, as well.

Although, to be honest, we've just had a season of playing terrible stuff whilst lacking a back bone, so even Martinez's thing would be an improvement.

At the same time Martinez's side, on their day, are capable of beating anyone, which would be a big change from the depressingly predictable dirge we've been seeing.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 30, 2012, 09:49:42 AM
the problem comparing the current villa squad to the current wigan squad is that wigans wage bill is probably a quarter of ours and there transfer budget was around 4 million a season, i know they splashed out on a 9 million flop *cough heskey balaban savo sasa the djemba twins hutton collins dunne beye cough* wigan done have a 20 goal a season striker in there squad and a potential 13-20 goal a season striker in there squad(gabby please dont laugh) we also have the core of a great passing team that i for one would like to see this line up

                  given
lichaj  new cb   clarke  delph

           gardner  bannan
albrighton                   n'zogbia
                    holman
                     bent
for those who think the midfield is to light i say swap gardner for makoun and rotate him and bannan. delph gards bannan and clarke can all pass the ball very nicely gards will be a steve gerrard type of player as he is his idol and he actually wants to be like him, ireland and gabby can be rotated or subbed for bent and holman and i tougher games n'zogbia can push right holman left and switch albrighton for makoun/petrov(hopefully)/delph  to make a traditional 451. the beauty of having a modern manager is that he will see all the things i have just said and more, houllier would have been a great villa manager if he didnt have dunne, collins, warnock, carew, and ireland all playing the twat, however if we keep dunne & collins & warnock & any other dissenters then bob martin will also fail, martinez will only work with 20 million kitty if we have to shift dunne and warnock to fund part of that 20 million so be it. we could probably replace them with free transfers of the same quality anyway as its silly season this summer players all over the world are out of contract and begging for a shot in the prem. we need to push away from MON ball which mean no to lambert for me and move in to the modern era not be a throwback to the 80's like stoke and for me norwich
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 09:50:46 AM
Delph at left back... not a bad idea I think... Although, his tackling is toss, then again... so is Warnock's...
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Post by: DeKuip on May 30, 2012, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: steffo on May 30, 2012, 09:26:13 AM
Wigan struggled to score goals last season, so at the end and in order to stay up he bravely changed his system to 3-5-2 to give support to the strikers and it worked. Credit for that.

Of course if he employed a three centre back system at VP - it would mean the end of Hutton and Warnock. That cannot be a bad thing.
It wasn't 3-5-2, Wigan played 3-4-3 for the back end of the season.

Martinez: “The difference is the width that we get…before, we had to compromise a little bit, when you want to be very attack-minded, the full-backs have to push on, so you leave two players at the back. Now you’re still pushing the wing-backs on, but you’ve still got three players at the back, plus probably a midfielder. In the West Brom game, as Paul Scharner will tell you, we were attacking with seven, eight, nine players and they were surprised it, and that’s what the system gives you, without being weak at the back.

“It suits our players. When you’ve got a Jean Beausejour who is a specialist in that position, you take advantage of that. The back three gives you that. Then there’s the energy we’ve got in midfield, players who can play between lines like Shaun Maloney and Jordi Gomez. It’s so difficult to play against…there’s a few clubs playing it around Europe now, Napoli are one: they play it with Cavani, Hamsik and Lavezzi…this is the advantage of this system – it goes where the danger is…it’s not in defensive lines, it’s not working as a unit of four, it’s not man-marking.”
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 09:52:00 AM
I would imagine we could get Diame on a free If RM is the manager.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 30, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 09:50:46 AM
Delph at left back... not a bad idea I think... Although, his tackling is toss, then again... so is Warnock's...

well he reminds me of n'zogbia and the zog started life as a left back, delph has stacks of pace, is aggressive as hell, can pass and shoot and dare i say if we are having 65% possession he wont be getting pissed off and making silly tackles trying to retrieve the ball. also will save us a potential 3-8 million quid on bringing in a new guy and we still have steves clarke baker lichaj & n'zogbia who can/have all covered that position in the past
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Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:05:58 AM
Get a tenner on Gollum from Blackpool ! "Blackpool state that they will not stand in his way if a Premiership club wants him". Oh shite!!
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
Villa in a 4-4-3?

Given

Baker - Dunne - Clark
Herd - Makoun - Ireland - Delph
N'Zogbia - Bent - Gabby
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 10:12:20 AM
I think the two players that would benefit most from us switching to a 3-4-3 would be Clark and Delph.
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Post by: Merv on May 30, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
I've decided I'm totally undecided on Martinez. There are things I like about him, things I don't: as impressive as Wigan were over the last ten games, they were awful for the first 20-odd; I'd be concerned about why it took him so long to start playing Maloney, for example, and the state of the defence during that time. Wigan were also pretty bereft going forward.

On the other hand, the turnaround was striking, and I like a coach who is willing to change formation to suit the players he has. I always felt we were crying out for something similar, but we had a manager who tried to press one or two into roles that didn't suit. I also like a three-man defence - I recall suggesting the same during the midway point of last season and being roundly mocked on here, but it may have suited us.

All things considered, I'd be happy with Martinez - I'd have my doubts but he'd still be a positive step up from McLeish.

PS Not sure Martinez would move from Diame, as Wigan seemed to improve rapidly once he'd been left out of the side and McCarthy and McArthur installed as the midfield pair.
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Post by: Jimbo on May 30, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
Martinez - Meh-tinez.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2012, 10:15:50 AM
If McLeish couldn't take us down, then I think whoever we appoint next season will be better :-D
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Post by: Jon Crofts on May 30, 2012, 10:18:59 AM
Any switch from 1-9-1 would be an improvement.

I'm in the Meh-tinez camp as well.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 10:19:24 AM
I also think that if it is him, then with a bit of nous the board could really spin this into good PR by playing the "he picked us over Liverpool because of the project we offered him etc".
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 09:38:50 AM
Lambert 6-4/13-8,  Martinez 2-1/6-4, Benitez 8-1/9-1.
No one else in the frame.

I stuck a tenner on Ole at 16-1 last night. Already got Lambert at 7-2.
A tenner on Ole? Do you know something Brian? Will there be Norwegian style name changes again across this forum?
No, but it is too quiet, that is all.
I'd prefer Ole to make the right decision. He is the one that feels right, all round, to me.
Randy just give him yer plane! Simple.
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Post by: CJ on May 30, 2012, 10:39:44 AM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 30, 2012, 09:11:43 AM
What has Martinez done in the game that warrants us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to be chasing him. I just don't see it? I'm not dissing the guy, but I just want someone to point out to me why this guy is regarded as such a good manager. I want to know so I can get excited if he is appointed Villa manager.

He laid the foundations for the way Swansea play now. I for one will be really happy if we get Martinez. I voted for him in the poll as I think he'll get a style of play embedded at every level in the club making the transition from Academy through to first team more consistent. He plays a decent style of football, isn't afraid of the 'elite' teams with 'different agendas' (copyright TSM), and is tactically astute. I think he'd be great for us in terms of both a long term plan and a short term fix.
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Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2012, 10:42:58 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 30, 2012, 09:39:02 AM
I'd agree with that - he seemed to have trouble organising a defence, as well.

Although, to be honest, we've just had a season of playing terrible stuff whilst lacking a back bone, so even Martinez's thing would be an improvement.

At the same time Martinez's side, on their day, are capable of beating anyone, which would be a big change from the depressingly predictable dirge we've been seeing.
Yes on their day however stats prove, over the last 3 seasons, that on most days they are beaten by anyone who plays them! He has a win ratio of 26%.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:44:00 AM
Even Kendrick seems to know fuck all, he's running a re-hash of the same story..Lambert or Martinez, Personally I think Lambert seems to be the hard bastard we need but I just don't think he's interested. Either that or were not
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Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
He is not good enough for Villa full stop.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 10:48:56 AM
Well his poorly resourced side finished above Villa last year, so I don't think you can definitely say he's not good enough for Villa.
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Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:50:45 AM
Our resources are significantly larger ?
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Post by: CJ on May 30, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
He's had a tough job at Wigan. Poorly supported team with not much to spend on players. I mean, ffs, Whelan is promising some money to spend on training facilities if he stays. Club on a shoestring which will plummet rapidly once Martinez goes imho
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Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 30, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
He's had a tough job at Wigan. Poorly supported team with not much to spend on players. I mean, ffs, Whelan is promising some money to spend on training facilities if he stays. Club on a shoestring which will plummet rapidly once Martinez goes imho
That is why i don't think he will leave Wigan.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:50:45 AM
Our resources are significantly larger ?

Potentially yes, with overall a better squad.
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Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
I like Gabby, but he can't be a promising young player forever; lately he looks like he turned into Darius Vassell. I think there's a good chance whoever is the next manager will cash in on MON's reported interest.
You have summed up my view as well perfectly CV.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 10:55:02 AM
And a shocking home surface to play football on at times.

Interesting Kendrick thinks there is a mystery third runner. Poyet or AVB is my guess.
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Post by: CJ on May 30, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 30, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
He's had a tough job at Wigan. Poorly supported team with not much to spend on players. I mean, ffs, Whelan is promising some money to spend on training facilities if he stays. Club on a shoestring which will plummet rapidly once Martinez goes imho
That is why i don't think he will leave Wigan.

I think he will.  Sooner or later he's got to start stepping up to higher challenges than keeping Megaphone Mouth in the PL. Unless - as others have questionned - he doesn't have any ambition. We wait and see.  Just out of interest Danlanza who is your realistic choice?
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Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:50:45 AM
Our resources are significantly larger ?

Right, so presumably Martinez would use them to perform much better?
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 30, 2012, 10:58:15 AM
I don't believe AVB will ever have been on the radar. I don't see what we could offer him and he would be a massive gamble after in my opinion failing at Chelsea. At least Poyet has played in the PL and has managed in England.
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Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 30, 2012, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:50:45 AM
Our resources are significantly larger ?

Correct.

Wigan Athletic Record transfer Fee Paid: Mauro Boselli - £6.5M

Aston Villa: Darren bent - £18M (Rising to £24M with add-ons)
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Post by: nigel on May 30, 2012, 11:02:19 AM
From Yahoo news. "Wigan boss Martinez's advisers spoke with Villa at the end of last week before the Spaniard held talks with Liverpool. But Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers now appears to be the new favorite to take charge at Anfield.
It is understood Martinez is now willing to push ahead with Villa talks - a post he rejected 12 months ago - but the delay in any possible deal while he spoke to the Reds means Norwich manager Paul Lambert is also now on Villa's radar."
The Mail (I think) mentioned that there was possibly a 3rd possibility. Gus Poyet, I wonder?

I'd be happy with any of those 3.

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Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 11:03:08 AM
I'm not sure if actually prefer Poyet to Martinez if I'm honest and I can't explain why. The same vibe I had from OGS I suppose.

I hope we are after AVB and wouldnt rule it out. Or Benitez for that matter.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 10:48:56 AM
Well his poorly resourced side finished above Villa last year, so I don't think you can definitely say he's not good enough for Villa.


They went above us with one week to go to the end of the season after being in the bottom three for nearly all of it, and we were shit! I don't think that says too much in his favour tbh!

The previous season, only a fortuitous set of results on the last day kept them up when it was completely out of their hands, hardly a fanfare of managerial genius was it?

I remain unconvinced, but we all have our own opinions!


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charlie on May 30, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
So we hold our breath now for the official confirmation from Gasbag Whelan?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2012, 11:06:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 11:03:08 AM
I'm not sure if actually prefer Poyet to Martinez if I'm honest and I can't explain why. The same vibe I had from OGS I suppose.

I hope we are after AVB and wouldnt rule it out. Or Benitez for that matter.


I'm thinking that AVB, Benitez, Poyet, Lambert and Martinez are all a step up from McLeish.

I'd take any of them.

Even Di Matteo.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 11:08:25 AM
Kendrick/any journo will claim there are 'mystery runners' to cover themselves in the event that their guesswork is totally wrong. Don't read too much, if anything at all, into it. The real ITKs aren't talking, so everyone is guessing, nothing more!
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: charlie on May 30, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
So we hold our breath now for the official confirmation from Gasbag Whelan?

I really hope that whatever happens that guy is the last know.
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Post by: nigel on May 30, 2012, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 12:26:43 AM
Not my first choice but a guy I can get behind. And I doubt he'd be coming if there wasn't some financial backing.
Lots of question marks but then I cant imagine there are many likely candidates without them so, bring it on.

It will be interesting at least if he's coming and lets hope the woeful form in the first half of the season is more to do with Wigan's limitations than Martinez's.

I think someone mentioned this earlier in the thread too.
The reply, which seemed a good point, was that although results were poor Wigans form was pretty decent, it's just that they couldn't score. Had they had a goal scorer, such as Darren Bent, however, I'm pretty sure some of those defeats could have been reversed.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 11:15:53 AM
That's fair enough and was my opinion after watching Wigan several times. Great play with little cutting edge in front of goal. At Villa he could afford that and in Darren Bent, has it.
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Post by: DB on May 30, 2012, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: charlie on May 30, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
So we hold our breath now for the official confirmation from Gasbag Whelan?

To be fair to Whelan, he knows he is fighting a losing battle to keep his manager - he has a small club and has to do everything he can to keep it together. Small person (club) syndrome I suppose.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 11:15:53 AM
That's fair enough and was my opinion after watching Wigan several times. Great play with little cutting edge in front of goal. At Villa he could afford that and in Darren Bent, has it.

That's a fair comment, to which I have to say, after three years in the job why hadn't he identified and signed someone within his budget to do the business? He hasn't really progressed Wigan at all in that time in any quantifiable way, other than the last nine games of last season. Is that enough evidence?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
To be fair I think with better players a Martinez side wouldn't struggle so much earlier in the season, when you listen to him speak about the game he is very tactically aware. Also people saying that Wigan only overtook us with one week to go, whilst that's true it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is that over 38 games with much poorer players they finished above us.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
Goal scorers in Wigan's budget are VERY hard to come by.  And you also have to factor in that every season they'll lose a key player or two to bigger clubs.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
Oh dear God - a mystery 3rd contender ?  Given the utter muppetry displayed about football matters by our CEO Mr Paul Faulkener I'm afraid this can mean only one thing.

The man who appointed Big F'eck did so because he had credentials on his CV - and CV and credentials are how people like Mr F do things.  If he was appointing a new accountant - he go through the same process - it is the corporate process - but not a football process.

Mr F is a clueless suit who  will want a proven CV - because a proven CV  fulfills the first rule of incompetent management - it covers his arse. 

Should it all go tits?  Well ... we went through the proper process so you can't blame me ... and he fulfilled all the clubs requirements so you can't blame me  ... and he had a great CV so don't blame me ... sadly, it just didn't work out, so let's all move forward together and don't blame me.

But who - Villa fans - has recently improved his CV?

(http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/ts_news_article_header_image/Roberto_Di_Matteo_3.jpg)
Mr Balloon Head - is now a football genius

Yes - not good enough for Albion but I fear good enough for the dead smile of Mr F.

Oh woe is me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2012, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 11:15:53 AM
That's fair enough and was my opinion after watching Wigan several times. Great play with little cutting edge in front of goal. At Villa he could afford that and in Darren Bent, has it.

That's a fair comment, to which I have to say, after three years in the job why hadn't he identified and signed someone within his budget to do the business? He hasn't really progressed Wigan at all in that time in any quantifiable way, other than the last nine games of last season. Is that enough evidence?

Di Santo isn't as natural a poacher as Darren Bent.
Boselli had a good record abroad but didn't work out.
Rodallega either has a great game or a shocker. (Bruce signed him I believe).
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Post by: JJ-AV on May 30, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
I voted RDM but meant to vote Martinez.

Really hope it is Martinez. When was the last time we've had a manager that uses technical midfield players and plays the ball through the middle?

That'd be great. Remember how Bannan ripped Man Utd apart from CM. We've been watching our wing play (or non-play this year) for bloody years.

Be great to get a little magician in the Silva/Modric/Cabaye mould from the middle, slipping through balls into Bent.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
You'll know it's all gone tits when this product shows up in the club shop...

(http://www.bellykids.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ROBERTO-DI-MATTEO-BALLOON.jpg)
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
To be fair I think with better players a Martinez side wouldn't struggle so much earlier in the season, when you listen to him speak about the game he is very tactically aware. Also people saying that Wigan only overtook us with one week to go, whilst that's true it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is that over 38 games with much poorer players they finished above us.

And over 29 games, when we were total shit, they were even worse under him, and he was in his third year there, it was his team!

Still, we'll get who we'll get won't we?

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Post by: JJ-AV on May 30, 2012, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: mazrimsbruv on May 30, 2012, 11:01:53 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 10:50:45 AM
Our resources are significantly larger ?

Correct.

Wigan Athletic Record transfer Fee Paid: Mauro Boselli - £6.5M

Aston Villa: Darren bent - £18M (Rising to £24M with add-ons)

I can't remember the exact statistics, but I think Martinez's record signing was Al-Habsi at £4m and he's sold around £40m worth of players.

He sells N'Zogbia for £12m (£8m profit in 18 months), then gets Moses (£2.6m) to replace him. He'll probably get close to £10m for him if he sold him too.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 11:41:30 AM
Lambert into evens with Wm Hill. Martinez out to 9/4. Ole steady @ 16/1.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 11:42:02 AM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
To be fair I think with better players a Martinez side wouldn't struggle so much earlier in the season, when you listen to him speak about the game he is very tactically aware. Also people saying that Wigan only overtook us with one week to go, whilst that's true it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is that over 38 games with much poorer players they finished above us.

And over 29 games, when we were total shit, they were even worse under him, and he was in his third year there, it was his team!

Still, we'll get who we'll get won't we?




Yes which would be a disaster if the season was over 29 games. I think with better resources and players Martinez has the right mentality and tactical acumen to do well and produce entertaining football. Sometimes people forget quite how small Wigan are.
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Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
To be fair I think with better players a Martinez side wouldn't struggle so much earlier in the season, when you listen to him speak about the game he is very tactically aware. Also people saying that Wigan only overtook us with one week to go, whilst that's true it doesn't really matter. The bottom line is that over 38 games with much poorer players they finished above us.

And over 29 games, when we were total shit, they were even worse under him, and he was in his third year there, it was his team!

Still, we'll get who we'll get won't we?




you do know he's won the league with Swansea ?  you dont win a league by turning up in March.

OK it was only div 1, probably about the same standard that Molde play in, and we all got excited by OGS,

like you say its about opinions, but just going for the man with the best CV does not always work, look at Chelsea, and England for that matter,
in my view we have to buy into someone who plays attractive football in a modern way, Martinez does that as do others, and i feel could do a great job building something worthwhile at VP

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Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
Ive suspected for a while the apparent lull in proceedings suggested we were waiting for an answer from somebody rather than actively chasing a target.
That, along with MysteryMans cryptic 'expect a few twists and turns' post suggests the person we were waiting on had options before committing to us.
Plus, it's gone quiet on the Lambert front, the tone of his quotes have altered, and dippers didn't want him giving us a free run. I think we could have had him by now if he was our choice A.

So, I'm sorry to say it looks like Martinez to me. I just hope I'm wrong.

After all, Faulkner acknowledged in his statement the need to give the fans what they want. Going by the HandV poll at least ten per cent of us will be pleased.
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Post by: QBVILLA on May 30, 2012, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 30, 2012, 09:39:02 AM
I'd agree with that - he seemed to have trouble organising a defence, as well.

Although, to be honest, we've just had a season of playing terrible stuff whilst lacking a back bone, so even Martinez's thing would be an improvement.

At the same time Martinez's side, on their day, are capable of beating anyone, which would be a big change from the depressingly predictable dirge we've been seeing.

On the flipside he's also overseen a 6-0 home defeat and 8-0 and 9-1 away defeats.Personally i'm not that enthused by the thought of Martinez.
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Post by: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
I'd now be amazed if it wasn't Martinez or Di Matteo, I'd be happy with either, but would probably prefer Di Matteo.  I would prefer Lambert to either but this doesn't look likely now.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
I hope we get lambert.  Have wanted him as manager from day 1 and my opinion has not changed even when we got linked to OGS.
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Post by: adbo9 on May 30, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
i think Martinez is so over-hyped its untrue........... he scrapes staying up everyyear and this master tactician has, for all his good results, presided over some record thumpings as well........  Amazing what a smart suit and foreign name can do for your image !!

RDM in most peoples opinions is no good as he had a bad run at Albion and got sacked - but has gone one to win the FA & Champs league double..............  - however, Brendand Rodgers is spaffed over by the same people who slaughter RDM cos his teams play nice tip-tap football - lets not forget he got the bullett at Watford and Reading pre-Swans.....

DI MATTEO all the way for me - make it happen Randy !!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 30, 2012, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 30, 2012, 09:39:02 AM
I'd agree with that - he seemed to have trouble organising a defence, as well.

Although, to be honest, we've just had a season of playing terrible stuff whilst lacking a back bone, so even Martinez's thing would be an improvement.

At the same time Martinez's side, on their day, are capable of beating anyone, which would be a big change from the depressingly predictable dirge we've been seeing.

On the flipside he's also overseen a 6-0 home defeat and 8-0 and 9-1 away defeats.Personally i'm not that enthused by the thought of Martinez.

If it is to be Martinez then my one hope is that after nearly three years in the Premier League, it finally clicked for him at the end of last season.  He found a formation and a way of playing that can get results in the Premiership and he can now build on that.  It would be interesting to see what he could do if his team started the season the way Wigan ended the last one.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 30, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
The reason Lambert, Rodgers and Martinez stock is so high is that they had the worst 3 playing squads in the Top League last year and stayed up.

My personal preference is Lambert and then either Martinez or Poyet (not all that fussed). Rodgers is too expensive in terms of compensation and won't come anyway.

Of the others Rafa - no we haven't got 100m to pee up the wall.
AVB - he was like a fighter put into a World Title eliminator after 5 fights and very good amateur record. Still needs to learn his trade.
OSG would have been a progressive punt but doesn't appear to want to move.

The more I think about the more it could be Di Matteo and that really would not be wise. Unless of course he hits the ground sprinting - where have we heard that before?
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Post by: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
My concern over Martinez is some of the Villa fans comments like

"yeah but Wigan was shit and he had no resources - imagine what he could do with better players"

Now where did i hear that before ???
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Post by: DB on May 30, 2012, 12:27:09 PM
Quote from: adbo9 on May 30, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
i think Martinez is so over-hyped its untrue........... he scrapes staying up everyyear and this master tactician has, for all his good results, presided over some record thumpings as well........  Amazing what a smart suit and foreign name can do for your image !!

RDM in most peoples opinions is no good as he had a bad run at Albion and got sacked - but has gone one to win the FA & Champs league double..............  - however, Brendand Rodgers is spaffed over by the same people who slaughter RDM cos his teams play nice tip-tap football - lets not forget he got the bullett at Watford and Reading pre-Swans.....

DI MATTEO all the way for me - make it happen Randy !!

I agree with all of that, apart from the last sentence......Lambert!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 12:28:27 PM
It better not be Di Matteo, I definitely want Martinez over him. Also people raving about Rodgers, Martinez essentially put everything in place at Swansea that has lead them to where they are now.
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
My concern over Martinez is some of the Villa fans comments like

"yeah but Wigan was shit and he had no resources - imagine what he could do with better players"

Now where did i hear that before ???

Differences which immediately spring to mind:

Mcleish was defensive, Martinez is not
Mcleish had what was often called Birmingham's best squad, Martinez had less resources than Bruce or Jewell
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 30, 2012, 12:25:12 PM
My concern over Martinez is some of the Villa fans comments like

"yeah but Wigan was shit and he had no resources - imagine what he could do with better players"

Now where did i hear that before ???

Well yeah, but that was more an excuse for thinking McLeish would change his style of play. Martinez has the style of play, but with better players he'd have more of a cutting edge. That's hard to deny.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
I guess the thing with Martinez is whether you believe he's always in the relegation mix with Wigan due to poor resources or just because he's a poor manager?

As usual, the answer is probably somewhere between the two.
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Post by: pestria on May 30, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
Villa in a 4-4-3?

Given

Baker - Dunne - Clark
Herd - Makoun - Ireland - Delph
N'Zogbia - Bent - Gabby

With that midfield we'd be relegated by Christmas
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Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 12:38:50 PM
Although I think Lambert is a better fit for Aston Villa, I get the impression Martinez is a better fit for the board. They just love a nice guy.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
I've never been convinced that nice guys nake the best football managers. 
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
I've never been convinced that nice guys nake the best football managers. 

I don't think there's any rule as simplistic as that.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Just because Martinez is polite and articulate doesn't mean he can't crack the whip.
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
I guess the thing with Martinez is whether you believe he's always in the relegation mix with Wigan due to poor resources or just because he's a poor manager?

As usual, the answer is probably somewhere between the two.

But Martinez is also young and has plenty of time to learn and adapt, which I think he's already doing. 
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Just because Martinez is polite and articulate doesn't mean he can't crack the whip.

Indeed. Who would have thought that OGS would be the man to shout "is anyone going to fucking shoot!?"?
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
When I see his Wigan side lose, quite badly at times, he doesn't strike me as having the mentality to go and bollock them in the changing room.  I fully accept we do not know what goes on behind closed doors, but that's just the impression I get.   
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 12:51:55 PM
Yeah I can understand that, but I get the impression Mcleish dished out a lot of bollockings and the response after half time was often legendarily bad.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 12:55:45 PM
That bit of man management/motivation can't make up for any technical or tactical deficiencies, but it can be the difference between say Wenger and Ferguson, for example.
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
The sad truth about being a Villa fan is that there is no entrance exam - hence some of the baseless opinions aired here.

Get the bedsheets ready.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2012, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
The sad truth about being a Villa fan is that there is no entrance exam - hence some of the baseless opinions aired here.

Get the bedsheets ready.

i wish there was some sort of entrance requirement regarding understanding other people have different opinions and not having to describe them as "baseless".
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2012, 01:12:40 PM
do we really want some hybrid Villa fans errrr no
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 01:13:17 PM
So it's going to be Martinez then?....
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
The sad truth about being a Villa fan is that there is no entrance exam - hence some of the baseless opinions aired here.Get the bedsheets ready.

And there was I thinking that the whole point of a messageboard was to allow people to express their opinion, baseless or not. 
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Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
I think it is 50/50 on Lambert and Martinez N'Maz at the minute, although someone on twitter claims we have permission to speak to Lambert, and Wigan are maintaining the stance we have not contacted them over Martinez.
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Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
As I've said before, a side that only ups it's game in an emergency situation and consistently gets knocked out of cups by lower league opposition suggests a motivation issue. For all his perceived good points, that's what worries me about Martinez.

Having said that, my original post about him being a nice guy was more in relation to him being - and I don't want to use the term yes-man here -  easier for the board to control. I think they had their fill of the all-controlling type of management with MON.
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
I think it is 50/50 on Lambert and Martinez N'Maz at the minute, although someone on twitter claims we have permission to speak to Lambert, and Wigan are maintaining the stance we have not contacted them over Martinez.

Anyone reasonable Ozz?
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Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:18:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
I think it is 50/50 on Lambert and Martinez N'Maz at the minute, although someone on twitter claims we have permission to speak to Lambert, and Wigan are maintaining the stance we have not contacted them over Martinez.

Anyone reasonable Ozz?

Is it ever in that jungle Monty? But it keeps the conversation flowing. There is a hell of a lot of stabbing randomly in the dark.

Maybe we should change the poll to Lambert/ Martinez/ Mystery Candidate
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 01:22:59 PM
The definition?
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 01:23:29 PM

Twitter - the bit between the Twat and the shitter
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 01:24:12 PM
Somebody on VT saying, heard that we have permission to speak to Lambert
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Is it ever in that jungle Monty? But it keeps the conversation flowing. There is a hell of a lot of stabbing randomly in the dark.

Maybe we should change the poll to Lambert/ Martinez/ Mystery Candidate

I'm in favour of that, Kendrick does seem the most ITK of anyone right now.

And yes, most are unreliable - in fact, I'm hoping they're unreliable this time!
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Post by: Villafirst on May 30, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
I still find it strange that Hughton doesn't appear to be in the equation, after all, surely he's a 'vibrant young manager to reinvigorate' the club type isn't he? Or is it the fall-out and embarrassment from the McLeish appointment last Summer? Would Lerner approach Blues again??
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 01:27:23 PM
He's not particularly young.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2012, 01:41:03 PM

Hughton has done a great job at Blues and Newcastle, but he is the man to call when you have gone down and you need to

consolidate. we are not there yet
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
I just don't think Lerner will approach Blues again.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 01:45:20 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
I just don't think Lerner will approach Blues again.
He didn't approach them last time... 'officially'...
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 30, 2012, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 01:13:17 PM
So it's going to be Martinez then?....

It ain't over til it's over! Ole Ole Ole!!
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Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
If we were on the verge of appointing Martinez or if we'd even spoken to him, would'nt Foghorn Whelan had contacted Talk Sport and announced it by now?

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Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
If we were on the verge of appointing Martinez or if we'd even spoken to him, would'nt Foghorn Whelan had contacted Talk Sport and announced it by now?


He's meeting with Martinez this pm Reports I've read is that Martinez agent approacched us on RM's behalf, not the other way round
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
Maybe, considering what happened last time, they've made contact with a proviso that he keeps his trap shut.  Or maybe just approached his agent and kept Whelan out of the loop? 
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Post by: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.
I haven't been on there for a while. It's blocked at work. Probably a good thing...
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 30, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
BBC reporting Rodgers to be Liverpools next manager.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
I dont believe Martinez will come to us.  I tink after he turned us down last season, RL and PF will not bother going back to him especially has he spoke to liverpool as well.  Lambert (1st choice) or Gus Poyet for me.
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?
yeah man, why?...
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
I dont believe Martinez will come to us.  I tink after he turned us down last season, RL and PF will not bother going back to him especially has he spoke to liverpool as well.  Lambert (1st choice) or Gus Poyet for me.

I'm pretty sure Lambert is second choice after Martinez for RL and PF now.  Of course that could still mean it's Lambert, but Martinez will have to turn us down (again) first. 
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?

Because there is nothing whatsoever in his make-up to suggest that he represents anything other than dyed-in-the-wool pragmatism. This is a big chance for the club to move into the 21st Century, maybe the last chance for a while to do something a little different and try to get ahead. Lambert would be nothing but a conservative, water-treading choice.

The statistics don't lie. Norwich played more long-balls per game than anyone else last season, and the eighth-fewest short passes. A huge amount of their goals from open play came from crosses, secondly from breakaways, and played fewer through-balls than Stoke and Wolves. Lambert's main influences, self-described, are MON and Hitzfeld - neither of whom are proponents of the aesthetic, both of whom always favoured physicality over skill, and counter-attacking to dominating games. Lambert's style of play has a glass ceiling which £200m couldn't break. His appointment would represent a huge chance missed - again - by the board.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?

Because there is nothing whatsoever in his make-up to suggest that he represents anything other than dyed-in-the-wool pragmatism. This is a big chance for the club to move into the 21st Century, maybe the last chance for a while to do something a little different and try to get ahead. Lambert would be nothing but a conservative, water-treading choice.

The statistics don't lie. Norwich played more long-balls per game than anyone else last season, and the eighth-fewest short passes. A huge amount of their goals from open play came from crosses, secondly from breakaways, and played fewer through-balls than Stoke and Wolves. Lambert's main influences, self-described, are MON and Hitzfeld - neither of whom are proponents of the aesthetic, both of whom always favoured physicality over skill, and counter-attacking to dominating games. Lambert's style of play has a glass ceiling which £200m couldn't break. His appointment would represent a huge chance missed - again - by the board.

Ok but saying that, just say he had to play that style with them due to the type of players he had?  What makes anyone think we are suddenly going to play nice attractive footy whoever the manager is?  Have we firstly got the playing staff?  I dont think we have to be honest.  It will take another season or so before we get the right players in to play the style of football that the fans demand.  At present, I would take winning over style of football but thats just me.
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Post by: Summers on May 30, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers is expected to be confirmed as the new Liverpool boss in the next 48 hours.
The clubs are understood to be discussing compensation for the 39-year-old, with Swansea likely to receive a compensation payment of between £4m and £5m.
Wigan manager Roberto Martinez had been in contention after meeting with owner John W Henry in Miami last week.
But attention has since switched back to Rodgers.
More to follow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961

-

The first job is soon to be filled, then.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 30, 2012, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?

Because there is nothing whatsoever in his make-up to suggest that he represents anything other than dyed-in-the-wool pragmatism. This is a big chance for the club to move into the 21st Century, maybe the last chance for a while to do something a little different and try to get ahead. Lambert would be nothing but a conservative, water-treading choice.

The statistics don't lie. Norwich played more long-balls per game than anyone else last season, and the eighth-fewest short passes. A huge amount of their goals from open play came from crosses, secondly from breakaways, and played fewer through-balls than Stoke and Wolves. Lambert's main influences, self-described, are MON and Hitzfeld - neither of whom are proponents of the aesthetic, both of whom always favoured physicality over skill, and counter-attacking to dominating games. Lambert's style of play has a glass ceiling which £200m couldn't break. His appointment would represent a huge chance missed - again - by the board.

Have you checked the stats for Norwich's year in the Championship?

I haven't but they may prove more representative - I'd say Norwich's status in the second tier would be broadly equal to ours in the PL. Maybe the football's better when they're not massive underdogs?
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
Ok but saying that, just say he had to play that style with them due to the type of players he had?  What makes anyone think we are suddenly going to play nice attractive footy whoever the manager is?  Have we firstly got the playing staff?  I dont think we have to be honest.  It will take another season or so before we get the right players in to play the style of football that the fans demand.  At present, I would take winning over style of football but thats just me.
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If that's the approach then why bother appointing someone young? I'm sure we could get Hittzfeld himself, or someone like that, if we were to offer. In appointing Lambert, the message is that, in the short and long-term, we don't aim to entertain and we don't aim, as a club, to do anything different. We simply aim to exist, almost in spite of ourselves. I really, really hope I'm wrong if he is appointed, but there's nothing to suggest I am. The arguments about his resources relating to style of play don't particularly hold much water, especially after the McLeish fiasco.
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Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?

Because there is nothing whatsoever in his make-up to suggest that he represents anything other than dyed-in-the-wool pragmatism. This is a big chance for the club to move into the 21st Century, maybe the last chance for a while to do something a little different and try to get ahead. Lambert would be nothing but a conservative, water-treading choice.

The statistics don't lie. Norwich played more long-balls per game than anyone else last season, and the eighth-fewest short passes. A huge amount of their goals from open play came from crosses, secondly from breakaways, and played fewer through-balls than Stoke and Wolves. Lambert's main influences, self-described, are MON and Hitzfeld - neither of whom are proponents of the aesthetic, both of whom always favoured physicality over skill, and counter-attacking to dominating games. Lambert's style of play has a glass ceiling which £200m couldn't break. His appointment would represent a huge chance missed - again - by the board.

Completely agree. MON with a Scottish accent with 1 tactic.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
What makes anyone think we are suddenly going to play nice attractive footy whoever the manager is?  Have we firstly got the playing staff?  I dont think we have to be honest.

Stephen Ireland, Charles N'Zogbia, Barry Bannan, Marc Albrighton, Jean Makoun and all the kids couldn't play 'nice stuff' given the right manager?
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Post by: OCD on May 30, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
They will like his brand of football but if the reports are true about Van Gaal being DoF, how long before they have a rough time and people start calling for Van Gaal to be made manager. Seems inevitable.
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Post by: andyh on May 30, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
my biggest concern about Martinez is why his teams don't start playing until March.
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Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 30, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

Yeah, the guy Richard is very sure, and by all means he's not one to bullshit or risk ridicule usually.

I hope to God he's wrong, because I believe Lambert represents nothing but yet more conservativism, pragmatism and a determination to keep the club firmly rooted in its 20th Century, water-treading comfort zone. I'm starting to worry though.
He is Junior O'Neill...

Worse, he's junior Hitzfeld.

Just out of curiosity, why are you so against Lambert?

Because there is nothing whatsoever in his make-up to suggest that he represents anything other than dyed-in-the-wool pragmatism. This is a big chance for the club to move into the 21st Century, maybe the last chance for a while to do something a little different and try to get ahead. Lambert would be nothing but a conservative, water-treading choice.

The statistics don't lie. Norwich played more long-balls per game than anyone else last season, and the eighth-fewest short passes. A huge amount of their goals from open play came from crosses, secondly from breakaways, and played fewer through-balls than Stoke and Wolves. Lambert's main influences, self-described, are MON and Hitzfeld - neither of whom are proponents of the aesthetic, both of whom always favoured physicality over skill, and counter-attacking to dominating games. Lambert's style of play has a glass ceiling which £200m couldn't break. His appointment would represent a huge chance missed - again - by the board.


agree fully with everything Monty has said,
if we do take on Lambert, he will not be a disaster, i think he will be a good manager, i think he's better than MON, probably more like Moyes, and thats the problem, what Moyes has done for Everton over the last 10 years i feel Lambert will do for Villa,
now there will be a lot of fans welcoming that, but lets face it there is not a lot to shout about at Goodison for a while, and the cupboard is still bare

so although i will be a bit dissapointed, as i wanted someone who plays the game with more excitment, and maybe takes a few more risks, Lambert is definitely a step up and someone we can all get behind
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 02:31:15 PM
Rodgers meeting Liverpool owners this pm

Betting suspended
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Post by: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
What makes anyone think we are suddenly going to play nice attractive footy whoever the manager is?  Have we firstly got the playing staff?  I dont think we have to be honest.

Stephen Ireland, Charles N'Zogbia, Barry Bannan, Marc Albrighton, Jean Makoun and all the kids couldn't play 'nice stuff' given the right manager?

Out of the 5 names mentioned only 2 can probably successfully play nice stuff - Ireland and Makoun.  cant comment onthe "kids" as they are not ready for first team football hence why I said earlier, it will take another season or so for the fancy football to kick in.
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Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2012, 02:36:08 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 02:31:15 PM
Rodgers meeting Liverpool owners this pm

Murph on da Beeb claims that he will be named manager of The Klan in the next 48 hours

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18235961
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 02:37:25 PM
Betting on rodgers to liverpool suspended apparently after confirmation he is in liverpool this afternoon having talks.
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
BBC News saying that Liverpoo will NOT appoint a DoF over Rodgers! Interesting.

It also begs, maybe, another question.....


Martinez (back) to Swansea?
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Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 02:44:32 PM
BBC News saying that Liverpoo will NOT appoint a DoF over Rodgers! Interesting.

It also begs, maybe, another question.....


Martinez (back) to Swansea?

The plot thickens...
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
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Post by: alteavilla on May 30, 2012, 02:48:04 PM
so it is the thin spanish waiter then
ole ole
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Is it too soon to change my username to John Martinez?
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Is it too soon to change my username to John Martinez?
I think Martinez will stay at Wigan
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Post by: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Financially Liverpool have outmuscled us over the past 18 months/2 yrs.  Ok they got £50m for Torres, but they must have spent at least double that on Adam, Downing, Henderson, Carroll, Enrique and  Suarez.  I think the gap between them and us is bigger now than it was 2 years ago, but not as much as it should have been given what they have spent, largely because the players they signed were not good enough or have not performed as well as expected.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.
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Post by: Stu on May 30, 2012, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Is it too soon to change my username to John Martinez?
I think Martinez will stay at Wigan

So do I.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 30, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
What makes anyone think we are suddenly going to play nice attractive footy whoever the manager is?  Have we firstly got the playing staff?  I dont think we have to be honest.

Stephen Ireland, Charles N'Zogbia, Barry Bannan, Marc Albrighton, Jean Makoun and all the kids couldn't play 'nice stuff' given the right manager?

Out of the 5 names mentioned only 2 can probably successfully play nice stuff - Ireland and Makoun.  cant comment onthe "kids" as they are not ready for first team football hence why I said earlier, it will take another season or so for the fancy football to kick in.

Whoever came in would need time, I think, or I hope most people would accept that.  But of the names you 'dismissed', remember N'Zogbia is already known to have done well playing for Martinez.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
I see graham taylor has quit as watford chairman, wonder if he could add some experience to the villa boardroom- i think martinez is in pole position for the villa job but if he turns it down i hope we will see lambert swiftly appointed.

Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.

What about the mystery manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:11:11 PM
Maybe Martinez will go to Swansea?...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.

What about the mystery manager?

What mystery manager?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 03:12:18 PM
Our expectations are realistic given playing squad and resources.  Liverpool's have no relation to anything other than what they have achieved in the past.
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Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.

What about the mystery manager?

What mystery manager?

The third candidate mentioned by Matt Kendrick and the Evening Mail.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:17:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:07:20 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.

What about the mystery manager?

What mystery manager?
Sven.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 03:21:04 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/30/aston-villa-who-is-the-mystery-third-man-on-randy-lerner-s-wishlist-97319-31077305/
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
From the Evening Mail article linked above:-

Aston Villa have whittled their wishlist of managers down to just three, with Paul Lambert and Roberto Martinez named as two of them.

Is that right and it's official they're in the frame or are they just taking liberties with the phrasiology?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
From the Evening Mail article linked above:-

Aston Villa have whittled their wishlist of managers down to just three, with Paul Lambert and Roberto Martinez named as two of them.

Is that right and it's official they're in the frame or are they just taking liberties with the phrasiology?

It is now officially a rumour that they in the frame.
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Sorry my friend I disagree. We are in the same business as them. Winning something.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: frank black on May 30, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
Truth is no one seems to have the foggiest idea who's really in the frame.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.

I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 30, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 03:06:09 PM
I see graham taylor has quit as watford chairman, wonder if he could add some experience to the villa boardroom- i think martinez is in pole position for the villa job but if he turns it down i hope we will see lambert swiftly appointed.

Two decent managers and either would be a huge step up on mcleish.
This is interesting...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 30, 2012, 03:34:34 PM
Quote from: frank black on May 30, 2012, 03:31:15 PM
Truth is no one seems to have the foggiest idea who's really in the frame.

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 30, 2012, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
From the Evening Mail article linked above:-

Aston Villa have whittled their wishlist of managers down to just three, with Paul Lambert and Roberto Martinez named as two of them.

Is that right and it's official they're in the frame or are they just taking liberties with the phrasiology?

I don't know, John; I didn't even think it was known that Lambert has been approached/is on the shortlist. Not even sure there's anything official about that we've spoken to Martinez either. I might have missed something, but still the only coach I know for sure that we have met was OGS!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
The thing I will say in Lambert's favour is that he attacks pragmatically, but he definitely attacks. They scored and conceded more than Swansea last season, for instance. I just hope he completes the adjustment of his style if he comes here.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
Whoever is on this fucking list it seems to be taking forever quite frankly
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Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
Are you going for the world record pragmatism usage Monts?
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Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.

I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.

And let me congratulate the Aston Villa Board if true ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Sorry my friend I disagree. We are in the same business as them. Winning something.
yes, however, If we'd have finished in the top half and won the League cup we wouldn't have sacked our manager...
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Post by: hulkamania on May 30, 2012, 03:43:30 PM
I wonder if the 3rd AVFC "mystery manager" is "ITK" about this  ;)
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.

I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.

And let me congratulate the Aston Villa Board if true ;)

We can only hope it's a very bold choice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.

I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.

And let me congratulate the Aston Villa Board if true ;)

We can only hope it's a very bold choice.
A bald choice..... like Rafa...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Monty on May 30, 2012, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
Are you going for the world record pragmatism usage Monts?

True, it's my word of the day. I'll branch out.

Efficient, risk-averse, percentage-playing, utilitarian (tenuous usage, maybe?).
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Sorry my friend I disagree. We are in the same business as them. Winning something.
yes, however, If we'd have finished in the top half and won the League cup we wouldn't have sacked our manager...
What has that got to do with it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Sorry my friend I disagree. We are in the same business as them. Winning something.
yes, however, If we'd have finished in the top half and won the League cup we wouldn't have sacked our manager...
What has that got to do with it.
different expectations...
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Post by: Merv on May 30, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
Because while we would be delighted with a top half finish and a trophy next season (I know I would), Liverpool demand top six at the very least, top four ideally, and that's why Dalglish is no longer their manager. He fell short of that.



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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 03:59:33 PM
oh, the agony..
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 02:23:24 PM
Rodgers will struggle at Liverpool. Their fans will demand the title, it is too big a leap for someone so inexperienced at this level. He needed a inbetween club, like Villa first in order to be able to gain the experience he will need. I do however, wish hm all the best.
Not sure I agree with your description of our club as an inbetween. Liverpool are in the shit, they have lost the experiance of how they use to recruit their managers. There is no Liverpool way anymore, and the gap between us and them is not as big as it was. So to describe us as in between is wrong. To be fair as a club we are as good as anyone for a young inspiring manager to join, develop and stay longterm where he can make his own mark.
Liverpool are a bigger club with higher expectations, and yes, they are in the shit.
So what are our expectations? That is more or less saying make way for Liverpool. Thats the problem.
no-one said that. Our expectation are a little less that a title challenge, I imagine.
Sorry my friend I disagree. We are in the same business as them. Winning something.
yes, however, If we'd have finished in the top half and won the League cup we wouldn't have sacked our manager...
What has that got to do with it.
different expectations...
Sorry you have lost me. I said our expectations are the same as Plops, that is to win things. What is your point. You have put 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' above us in the pecking order based on their fans expectations. What are you saying?
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 30, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
Because while we would be delighted with a top half finish and a trophy next season (I know I would), Liverpool demand top six at the very least, top four ideally, and that's why Dalglish is no longer their manager. He fell short of that.

And because he made the club look so silly in the media.
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Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.


I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.


Yes, he woulda gotten away with it if it wasn't for them meddling kids.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2012, 04:16:31 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 03:46:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 03:39:34 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 30, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 30, 2012, 03:04:03 PM
I'm still expecting our third, mystery managerial target to be the Aston Villa Boss.

I'd like to wish our new mystery manager All Very Best wishes.

And let me congratulate the Aston Villa Board if true ;)

We can only hope it's a very bold choice.
A bald choice..... like Rafa...

Nah, the Villa ladies will insist we have no baldies, no pube heads or gingers. They want somebody with a voluptuous barnett.
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Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 04:22:42 PM
I think it's about mid term and long term goals/expectations.  Right now we need to be OK with middle/upper table, but the ultimate aim is of course to get back to challenging right at the top of the league. 
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
@BBCSport: Brendan Rodgers has signed a three-year contract to become the new manager of Liverpool Football Club, confirms @BenSmithBBC #lfc
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Post by: bertlambshank on May 30, 2012, 04:23:58 PM
Rodgers confirmed as Klan manager.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 04:24:20 PM
Well BBC have confirmed Rodgers for Liverpool now, which may kick off the the merrigoround.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
I think appointing the mystery manager would be Actually Very Brilliant as he's A Very Bright man!

Rodgers to be confirmed at Liverpoo within 24 hours now!
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Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2012, 04:26:19 PM
Seems refusing an interview is the way forward if you want the job then.
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Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Is it too soon to change my username to John Martinez?
I think Martinez will stay at Wigan
I do hope  so as we don't need a perennial struggler.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.

I think we all want to compete, but we are in pretty poor shape squad wise compared to liverpool and it may take 2 or 3 years to get back up to that top 6 level again, realistically top 10 next season would be acceptable but not in the long term.

Liverpool gave greater financial resources than us and a higher expectation level, their fans would not accept being out of the top 4 for long.

Yes we are a big club but not as big as we may like to think, after all we have won 1 league title in 110 years and gone 55 years without an fa cup - top 10 and a good crack at the cup competitions would be a decent start to the new managers reign.
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Post by: Merv on May 30, 2012, 04:31:44 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.

Ah, the old fan comment. It's not about settling, it's about what I'd consider to be an improvement next season and - sweeping statement though it is, what I think many Villa fans would be happy with in 2012-13. Having said that, I've been following Villa for the best part of 30 years, and I haven't seen many trophies being lifted so I'm also pretty realistic about what I think we can achieve.

McLeish was not, and never was, the manager for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 04:34:45 PM
Seeing a few tweets that Villa have been given permission to speak to Lambert . No credible sources at the moment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 04:35:42 PM
Wow, so Rodgers on a three year at Liverpool with £5mil compensation. A bit of a shock to me considering Swans were wrapping up Sigurdsson's deal over the weekend.

If I'm honest, this makes 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' look pretty small time. Can't attract a big name anymore and opting for Rodgers.. Hopefully this makes our job easier.

Let's get someone in and make some signings.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paulcomben on May 30, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Martinez used to be the manager of Swansea....so we are probably looking at Lambert or Poyet??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)

Liverpool is a bigger club than us and has bigger expectations, i dont understand how people can think we are int he same league?

They spent 18m on a right back! our highest transfer record is 18mil...

They won a cup and finished in the top half and the manager got sacked - if McLeish had picked up a few more points i wouldnt be shocked if he was still here

they have a huge fanbase world wide, bringing in huge revenue, think we signed up 300 people to our hong Kong aston villa fan club!

they have a phenomenal history that completely overshadows ours...

I hate the scousers probably more than most... I live in Manchester but they are bigger than us with bigger expectations...

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 04:36:43 PM
@IanTaylor7: Brendan Rodgers gone then. #liverpool Martinez to #AVFC ? Happy??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 30, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Martinez used to be the manager of Swansea....so we are probably looking at Lambert or Poyet??

It's really anybody's guess.

For me, in an ideal world AVB (unlikely) but would give us something we haven't had in a while. A real wow factor. I can just imagine the numbers of fans that would show up to welcome him to VP if he was unveiled!

Most likely: Martinez, Lambert, Poyet, RDM. Most of us would be very happy with the first two names. Poyet would be ok but a gamble and RDM totally uninspiring.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 04:45:32 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 30, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Martinez used to be the manager of Swansea....so we are probably looking at Lambert or Poyet??

I don't see the link.  Why would we be looking at Lambert or Poyet because Martinez used to be the manager of Swansea?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)

Liverpool is a bigger club than us and has bigger expectations, i dont understand how people can think we are int he same league?

They spent 18m on a right back! our highest transfer record is 18mil...

They won a cup and finished in the top half and the manager got sacked - if McLeish had picked up a few more points i wouldnt be shocked if he was still here

they have a huge fanbase world wide, bringing in huge revenue, think we signed up 300 people to our hong Kong aston villa fan club!

they have a phenomenal history that completely overshadows ours...

I hate the scousers probably more than most... I live in Manchester but they are bigger than us with bigger expectations...



Oh that's ok then, we should probably give them our transfer kitty to make sure they win then. Christ 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were unbeatable in the 70's, yet we beat them 5-1 and 2-1 and they were giants then. Showing these people to much respect. We are one good manager away from them, that's all.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 04:51:00 PM
So, if Rodgers is off to Liverpool then I can't see Martinez going anywhere other than to us.  And if he stays he may well live to regret it as a single relegation would blot his CV should he wish to move next year.

I reckon he'd now take it if offered, the bigger question is will we offer it to him?   
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
Just been on tiwtter:

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
Don't need the plane this time Lambert is on his way to #AVFC
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 04:51:26 PM
Just been on tiwtter:

AVFCMysteryman ‏@AvfcMysteryman
Don't need the plane this time Lambert is on his way to #AVFC

Gosh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
It does'nt make any sense for Martinez to stay at Wigan. All this speculation, and him talking to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' for him to stay put. Just can't see it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 04:58:08 PM
I just don't see the fuss about Martinez, he keeps Wigan up by a gnat's whisker yr on yr which is a reasonable achievement, but pales into insignificance to Di Matteo's achievements at Chelsea this yr.  I wonder whether Chelsea fans would rather Di Matteo was appointed after he won them the Champs League or they appointed Wigan's manager after another yr of struggle for them?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 05:00:14 PM
With Rodgers out of the running and Villa down to three candidates can we get a new poll? If we pluck Lambert than Martinez may have no choice but to stay. I think either manager will be an improvement over last year but we still don't have the on-field personnel to 'succeed' in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: andyh on May 30, 2012, 05:00:44 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 04:58:08 PM
I just don't see the fuss about Martinez, he keeps Wigan up by a gnat's whisker yr on yr which is a reasonable achievement, but pales into insignificance to Di Matteo's achievements at Chelsea this yr.  I wonder whether Chelsea fans would rather Di Matteo was appointed after he won them the Champs League or they appointed Wigan's manager after another yr of struggle for them?
Would chelsea fans want RDM in any other circumstances ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 04:58:08 PM
I just don't see the fuss about Martinez, he keeps Wigan up by a gnat's whisker yr on yr which is a reasonable achievement, but pales into insignificance to Di Matteo's achievements at Chelsea this yr.  I wonder whether Chelsea fans would rather Di Matteo was appointed after he won them the Champs League or they appointed Wigan's manager after another yr of struggle for them?

The fuss is he's probably going to be the new manager.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Would be a good move.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 30, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
I think GT upstairs sounds great, a football man (not Director of football) on the board..and Lambert as manager..thats exciting!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)

Liverpool is a bigger club than us and has bigger expectations, i dont understand how people can think we are int he same league?

They spent 18m on a right back! our highest transfer record is 18mil...

They won a cup and finished in the top half and the manager got sacked - if McLeish had picked up a few more points i wouldnt be shocked if he was still here

they have a huge fanbase world wide, bringing in huge revenue, think we signed up 300 people to our hong Kong aston villa fan club!

they have a phenomenal history that completely overshadows ours...

I hate the scousers probably more than most... I live in Manchester but they are bigger than us with bigger expectations...



Oh that's ok then, we should probably give them our transfer kitty to make sure they win then. Christ 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were unbeatable in the 70's, yet we beat them 5-1 and 2-1 and they were giants then. Showing these people to much respect. We are one good manager away from them, that's all.

Absolute rollocks!

Does that mean Wigan are one good manager away from equalling Man united in stature cos they beat them a few weeks ago?

I cannot believe there are villa fans that are deluded enough to think we are one good manager appointment away from Liverpool!

They are getting over a few bad managerial appointments same as us...

However

To Villa it means relegation battle and for Liverpool it means league cup and no champions league
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 30, 2012, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 30, 2012, 03:58:45 PM
That's right, Merv.

No disrespect, but Merv got to the point. Could not understand your ramblings. On saying that I still disagree, as a fan if you happy to settle for mid to upper table and a dabble in a cup then perhaps Mcleish was the manager for you. Personally I want us to compete and not make up the numbers, otherwise we just might as well not be there.
I didn't say I was happy to settle for mid-table and a cup, but it would be a start, and a massive improvement. I am sure you agree and understand that my friend :)

Liverpool is a bigger club than us and has bigger expectations, i dont understand how people can think we are int he same league?

They spent 18m on a right back! our highest transfer record is 18mil...

They won a cup and finished in the top half and the manager got sacked - if McLeish had picked up a few more points i wouldnt be shocked if he was still here

they have a huge fanbase world wide, bringing in huge revenue, think we signed up 300 people to our hong Kong aston villa fan club!

they have a phenomenal history that completely overshadows ours...

I hate the scousers probably more than most... I live in Manchester but they are bigger than us with bigger expectations...



Oh that's ok then, we should probably give them our transfer kitty to make sure they win then. Christ 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were unbeatable in the 70's, yet we beat them 5-1 and 2-1 and they were giants then. Showing these people to much respect. We are one good manager away from them, that's all.

Absolute rollocks!

Does that mean Wigan are one good manager away from equalling Man united in stature cos they beat them a few weeks ago?

I cannot believe there are villa fans that are deluded enough to think we are one good manager appointment away from Liverpool!

They are getting over a few bad managerial appointments same as us...

However

To Villa it means relegation battle and for Liverpool it means league cup and no champions league
Rollocks, your talking crap. The more people who distance ourselves from teams like 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. especially teams like 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' then we might as well stop going down the Villa. Your talking like a star struck teenager. 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are catchable, shit you will be saying spurs are legendary next.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
Let's not fall out, please.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
well if it is  Martinez thats about the same set up as last season nowt will be spent on players keep the book balanced another year until we get a buyer,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 05:24:22 PM
Some geezer on VT reckons a former player has said today we are in talks with Martinez and the third mystery candidate is Capello.

Capello with a younger Anglo/Italian speaker like Di Matteo or Zola (Wilkins?).
I think I'd take that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dr.chekov on May 30, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

How did Randy upset him?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 30, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Whoever the mystery candidate is, I'm sure he's a very big name.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: dr.chekov on May 30, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

How did Randy upset him?

Just read GT's statement.  Doesn't look like he's going anywhere.  Sorry folks
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:31:22 PM
Quote from: dr.chekov on May 30, 2012, 05:24:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

How did Randy upset him?

Randy arranged to meet him after a game to discuss new managers, then didn't turn up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 05:31:40 PM
Paolo Di Canio has signed an extension at Swindon so he ain't the mystery chap anyway.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 05:32:51 PM
Well that's a bit of good news.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 30, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Whoever the mystery candidate is, I'm sure he's a very big name.


massive
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 05:38:51 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Somebody on VillaTalk seems confident it is Lambert.

hope so , Martinez can share his bed with Motormouth Whelan and miss his big chance.  I am about 6 hours behind reading this thread at the moment
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
I'm convinced half the posters on this thread are blu-noses in disguise.

How anyone can think Roberto Martinez is a bad manager is beyond me - he is the one who revolutionized Swansea City - the team that dismantled us at Villa Park contained nine players signed by him.  He introduced a totally new philosophy - and took them from the brink of dropping out of the football league completely - and the Swans fans are still bitter he left.

Keeping Wigan in the Premiership with a yearly budget deficit of £14 million is a feat in itself.  And let's not forget - that awful Wigan team stayed up by beating Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Arsenal.  We couldn't beat an egg.  Every year Martinez has to cope with his best players sold from under him - and is it any wonder they start slow and finish strong - good coaching comes over months - not overnight - the fact that Wigan are still Premiership should not be underestimated.

And as for the lunatic suggestion that Di Matteo would be a good appointment - that is like saying Tony Barton was our best manager ever - because he happened to be in the hot seat when the team won the European Cup.  Any Villa fan with any sense knows that that Villa team was Ron Saunders Villa team - and Barton - much like Di Matteo - was in the right place at the right time.

Villa need a man who will be there long term - a man who has a vision of how football should be played - a man who can spot talent and develop it - and a man with a habit of turning over the top teams.

That can only be Martinez - and I hope for one that he is the man our owner gets.

UTV
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Villafirst on May 30, 2012, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 30, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Whoever the mystery candidate is, I'm sure he's a very big name.

Like Dr Josef Venglos? I remember that announcement on a Saturday in July 1990 - I was seriously underwhelmed by his appointment. I think Deadly Doug got him on a £25k-a-year contract then - trying to do it on the cheap!


massive
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 30, 2012, 05:42:54 PM
Rodgers cost Liverpool £5m, won nothing and 1 year in the Prem. Whoever we get his price has just gone up.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
Martinez back to Swansea?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 30, 2012, 05:45:27 PM
You've convinved me Sonlyme, and if we can't get him how about Bruce or Jewell?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Martinez is staying at Wigan
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 30, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Whoever the mystery candidate is, I'm sure he's a very big name.


massive

As big as engelbert humperdinck?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 30, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
I'm convinced half the posters on this thread are blu-noses in disguise.

How anyone can think Roberto Martinez is a bad manager is beyond me - he is the one who revolutionized Swansea City - the team that dismantled us at Villa Park contained nine players signed by him.  He introduced a totally new philosophy - and took them from the brink of dropping out of the football league completely - and the Swans fans are still bitter he left.

Keeping Wigan in the Premiership with a yearly budget deficit of £14 million is a feat in itself.  And let's not forget - that awful Wigan team stayed up by beating Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Arsenal.  We couldn't beat an egg.  Every year Martinez has to cope with his best players sold from under him - and is it any wonder they start slow and finish strong - good coaching comes over months - not overnight - the fact that Wigan are still Premiership should not be underestimated.

And as for the lunatic suggestion that Di Matteo would be a good appointment - that is like saying Tony Barton was our best manager ever - because he happened to be in the hot seat when the team won the European Cup.  Any Villa fan with any sense knows that that Villa team was Ron Saunders Villa team - and Barton - much like Di Matteo - was in the right place at the right time.

Villa need a man who will be there long term - a man who has a vision of how football should be played - a man who can spot talent and develop it - and a man with a habit of turning over the top teams.

That can only be Martinez - and I hope for one that he is the man our owner gets.

UTV

Very well said. I am puzzled how so many fans see Martinez as a desperate manager who can only keep his team up. Every season he has to coach his new players all season and only at the end do they come good. He is in the same mould as OSG but much further developed in his career ........
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
First choice on football philosophy, style of play, ability to develop youngsters.

I'm just wary of anyone but McLeish syndrome.

Poyet next for me - I just see Lambert as a MON clone - it works up to a point - but total football it ain't.
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Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

It would have been nice to have seen him back in an advisory type role. Still my favourite Villa manager.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
Wigan had a better team than Norwich .   Norwich stayed in the prem easy. 

Lambert for me
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Post by: Nev on May 30, 2012, 06:01:23 PM
Can we panic yet?
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Post by: richsvilla on May 30, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Martinez is staying at Wigan

Just seen the news on sky sports. Personally i didnt want him, would have been an improvement AM but dont rate him, think we would still be in relegation trouble next season if had appointed him.

Lambert for me but i feel Randy is running out of options.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

It would have been nice to have seen him back in an advisory type role. Still my favourite Villa manager.

Really clampy? Im surprised you didnt prefer big ron, i certainly did although graham did a fantastic job in rebuilding villa from a relegated team to a title chasing team, and i enjoyed it very much , i preferred rons brand of football and swagger.
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Post by: DeKuip on May 30, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
Martinez is stopping at Wigan.

After missing out on exciting candidates like him and OGS anyone else now is going to be huge let down for me.
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Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
Lambert for me. Two successive promotions is an achievement in itself, but they did'nt even look like struggling in their first Premiership season. Ok, he's got a touch of the MON's about him but that's not really a bad thing.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 06:03:34 PM
Lambert 49.3 %    win rate
Martinez  26.7 %     

I know alot of Lamberts games were in the lower divisions but I spoke to a few season ticket supporters from the championship who said to me Norwich were the best team they had seen that year ( when they were in it ) .
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:03:54 PM
Lets hope lambert can be signed and sealed now martinez has made his choice to stay.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 30, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on May 30, 2012, 06:02:18 PM
Martinez is stopping at Wigan.

After missing out on exciting candidates like him and OGS anyone else now is going to be huge let down for me.
I'm hugely relieved he's staying put
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 06:05:54 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 30, 2012, 05:01:24 PM
I see that Graham Taylor has relinquished his Non Executive Director role at Watford. 

Upstairs job at Villa. Any thoughts?

(just speculating)
Yes, but only after we've appointed a new manager and it were to get said appointments blessing. Sir Graham knows the game inside out. I know his 2nd stint was a disaster and he signed some absolute turkey's, but in fairness to him, he was probably bought in because he was one of the few who would have taken the job on under Dougs remit at the time. And that was to, like now, balance the books after an outlay that never brought us the success required to get that money back. He had a tough task on that budget. You could never question the guys knowledge.

He's 67, he's probably looking to get out of full-time football and Randy's already upset him.

It would have been nice to have seen him back in an advisory type role. Still my favourite Villa manager.

Really clampy? Im surprised you didnt prefer big ron, i certainly did although graham did a fantastic job in rebuilding villa from a relegated team to a title chasing team, and i enjoyed it very much , i preferred rons brand of football and swagger.

Nope, Sir Graham for me. Not only a very good manager but also a gentleman who even after all this time still has time for us. Besides anyone who manages to get Paul McGrath, David Platt and Dwight Yorke for less than £700k deserves respect.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
Lambert for me. Two successive promotions is an achievement in itself, but they did'nt even look like struggling in their first Premiership season. Ok, he's got a touch of the MON's about him but that's not really a bad thing.

Totally agree!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Well Martinez has made a huge mistake.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 06:09:38 PM
I heard someone say on radio that Lambert hates losing , he is a winner . It does not matter If he plays Manure or Mans£££y he wants to beat them and is gutted If he loses . What a refreshing change that would be  .
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Post by: boboonthecorner on May 30, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Do you honestly think appointing Lambert will be that easy? I don't think he'll join us. I think the reason Martinez stayed at Wigan was primarily because there is going to be very little to spend again. After the story last week about Premiership wages, we are going to struggle. Our appointment will be a manager who isn't currently managing in the premiership and that is why they will join us. In my opinion there will be minimal funds available to the next manager.
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Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Well Martinez has made a huge mistake.


has he made the chioce or has it been made for him
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Post by: richsvilla on May 30, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
I think i read somehwere about Blackpool's chariman saying he wouldnt stand in Holloways way if a top flight club came calling and that he deserves to be there. Could he be the mystery man? (just speculating)
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Post by: supertom on May 30, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
Wigan had a better team than Norwich .   Norwich stayed in the prem easy. 

Lambert for me
Debatable. I think goals count for a lot, and Grant Holt's goals really did the business. Their midfield was pretty decent too. Ruddy is good too and I've never been a big fan of Al Habsi.

I'd be happy with either. Also Wigan, more so than anyone else down in the bottom, particularly early season were a little unfortunate in many games. They deserved more points than they got. In the end their play started bringing the points they derserved.

For me though, both those squads are championship level. So survival for both is a real feat. Martinez has done it time and again and Wigan, who've become a Prem fixture continue to punch above their means. If Lambert stays at Norwich, the true test will be repeating survival next year. In that respect, I think Martinez has the upper hand.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 30, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Do you honestly think appointing Lambert will be that easy? I don't think he'll join us. I think the reason Martinez stayed at Wigan was primarily because there is going to be very little to spend again. After the story last week about Premiership wages, we are going to struggle. Our appointment will be a manager who isn't currently managing in the premiership and that is why they will join us. In my opinion there will be minimal funds available to the next manager.
We haven't offered Martinez anything.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 30, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 06:11:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Well Martinez has made a huge mistake.


has he made the chioce or has it been made for him

No he hasn't. The guy is still only 38, he'll get better offers. I don't understand why everybody slags off a player or manager who has turned us down / decided they are better of staying put?
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Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 06:03:34 PM
Lambert 49.3 %    win rate
Martinez  26.7 %     

I know alot of Lamberts games were in the lower divisions but I spoke to a few season ticket supporters from the championship who said to me Norwich were the best team they had seen that year ( when they were in it ) .


just hoping his first signing isnt a 31 year old Grant Holt, think that would set the scene for the next 2 years
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:15:24 PM
Well that's true, Grant Holt is nowhere near good enough. However I haven't got a fucking clue who we're after.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Well Martinez has made a huge mistake.

Not necessarily. If he gets them a top half finish next season he can write his own ticket next summer. What he's done is backed himself, nowt wrong with that nor is it lacking ambition.

Anyway, that's Rodgers and Martinez scratched off the list, if ever they were on it, so perhaps we can move our search along a bit now!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2012, 06:20:11 PM
If there's one player to get from Norwich it's Anthony Pilkington, excellent player.

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Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
Wigan had a better team than Norwich .   Norwich stayed in the prem easy. 

Lambert for me
For me though, both those squads are championship level. So survival for both is a real feat. Martinez has done it time and again and Wigan, who've become a Prem fixture continue to punch above their means. If Lambert stays at Norwich, the true test will be repeating survival next year. In that respect, I think Martinez has the upper hand.

That's a bit of an unfair comparision considering it was Lambert's first season in the Prem.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 30, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Do you honestly think appointing Lambert will be that easy? I don't think he'll join us. I think the reason Martinez stayed at Wigan was primarily because there is going to be very little to spend again. After the story last week about Premiership wages, we are going to struggle. Our appointment will be a manager who isn't currently managing in the premiership and that is why they will join us. In my opinion there will be minimal funds available to the next manager.

I disagree, i think lambert would be a positive move and would bring in a new era of optimism, the guy is a winner and id be delighted to see him as villa manager, i also think randy will give him reasonable funds to spend although not the vast amounts afforded to mon.

Is he a mon clone? Definately not in my opinion.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 30, 2012, 06:23:40 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:15:24 PM
Well that's true, Grant Holt is nowhere near good enough. However I haven't got a fucking clue who we're after.

I wouldn't want Holt either, but he did well last season and if he does the same again this season then he is good enough. This season could've been a 'Rickett'..........
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:25:07 PM
He'll command a big fee and 31, and is a bruising forward. I almost guarantee he's a one season wonder.
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Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 06:27:09 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Well Martinez has made a huge mistake.
What he's done is backed himself, nowt wrong with that nor is it lacking ambition.

I would'nt say he's backed himself. If he was confident in is own ability he would have moved on by now although he does have time on his side.

That said it sounds like to me Liverpool were the only club in for him and they prefered Rodgers so he's stayed where he is.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 30, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
Right if it's Lambert or Di Matteo, please god let it be Lambert.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Martinez, a choker?
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
It seems like we're lining up another terrible shock appointment. I wish I could say I trust the Board to make a good decision here, but with limited candidates, little ambition and a club in disarray.. I can't seem anyone we want taking over.

Another grueling season at bay..?
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:36:22 PM
A great reason to keep on ssn when kirsty gallacher is on looking so hott.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
It seems like we're lining up another terrible shock appointment. I wish I could say I trust the Board to make a good decision here, but with limited candidates, little ambition and a club in disarray.. I can't seem anyone we want taking over.

Another grueling season at bay..?

Thats it, keep thinking positive!
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: richsvilla on May 30, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
I think i read somehwere about Blackpool's chariman saying he wouldnt stand in Holloways way if a top flight club came calling and that he deserves to be there. Could he be the mystery man? (just speculating)

It could be anyone Rich, but most likely it's journos covering themselves in the event that their other guesses are wrong, it gives them the 'I expected that' option after the fact even though they know no more than we do.

It might yet be All Victorious Battles at VP next season, though, you never know!

Is there anything other than twittertwatter to suggest that we've moved for Lambert?
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:42:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
It seems like we're lining up another terrible shock appointment. I wish I could say I trust the Board to make a good decision here, but with limited candidates, little ambition and a club in disarray.. I can't seem anyone we want taking over.

Another grueling season at bay..?

Thats it, keep thinking positive!

Hey, at least I'm thinking. I'm not going to be a blind optimist here. We hired Houllier out of no where, promoted McLeish to the best modern day position he'll ever get and gave OGS a serious consideration. What makes you think we'll get it right this time around. The amount Randy has spent on managers coming and going is absolutely absurd. That money could be put towards much more useful things. We are going to go for someone that's out of a job or outside the Prem. Randy can't afford compensation for another manager.

We 'interview' candidates but refuse to make formal offers, I think it's because we don't know what or who is best for the club. What to make of this mess...
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Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
i hope villadelph is wrong and is proven wrong. Though I must admit to having niggling fears at the back of my mind.
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Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
i hope villadelph is wrong and is proven wrong. Though I must admit to having niggling fears at the back of my mind.

I hope I'm wrong too. Believe me, I only want to succeed and for Randy to find someone that is genuinely right for the club. I'm also a bit shocked that Martinez (who I don't fancy all that much but would support if appointed) is avoiding us like the plague. I feel as if he truly knows our situation and knows it's not worth taking on. In my eyes, he's aggressively dismissing us by pledging himself to Wigwam.
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Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
i hope villadelph is wrong and is proven wrong. Though I must admit to having niggling fears at the back of my mind.

I hope I'm wrong too. Believe me, I only want to succeed and for Randy to find someone that is genuinely right for the club. I'm also a bit shocked that Martinez (who I don't fancy all that much but would support if appointed) is avoiding us like the plague. I feel as if he truly knows our situation and knows it's not worth taking on. In my eyes, he's aggressively dismissing us by pledging himself to Wigwam.

How do you see lambert? I see him as a great choice if appointed.
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Post by: bilsim on May 30, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
The 100% reliable sources of twitter and facebook seem rife with suggestion that Norwich have given Lambert permission for talks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Martinez, a choker?

Either that or Dave Whelan has some pictures of him in a compromising situation!!
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I won't panic yet however I will say this, we've either got an ace up our sleeve or were fucked, I hope its not the former
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Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 30, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
I heard a rumour that RM's people contacted RL yesterday, after he got wind that LFC were going with Rodgers, to see if we wanted to talk and RL said they were looking at other options. Hence the 'announcement' from RM today.
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
i hope villadelph is wrong and is proven wrong. Though I must admit to having niggling fears at the back of my mind.

I hope I'm wrong too. Believe me, I only want to succeed and for Randy to find someone that is genuinely right for the club. I'm also a bit shocked that Martinez (who I don't fancy all that much but would support if appointed) is avoiding us like the plague. I feel as if he truly knows our situation and knows it's not worth taking on. In my eyes, he's aggressively dismissing us by pledging himself to Wigwam.

How do you see lambert? I see him as a great choice if appointed.

I like Lambert. I won't say a lot but I think he could do well here. He seems like he's straight business when it comes to the game and that's what I like about him. An honest and likeable guy that doesn't put up with crap.

However, I think there is a big issue when respectable managers would rather stay at the likes of Wigan Athletic, Norwich City and Molde than come to Aston Villa.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: bilsim on May 30, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
The 100% reliable sources of twitter and facebook seem rife with suggestion that Norwich have given Lambert permission for talks.

A lot of Twitter posts claim Lambert's having a second interview tomorrow. I didn't even know he'd had the first.

There also seems to be a lot of love for Villas-Boas as the mystery man, and a fair sprinkling of Di Matteo and Benitez admirers.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!

That's if you assume we made a direct offer, or even interviewed him, which we didn't.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 06:03:34 PM
Lambert 49.3 %    win rate
Martinez  26.7 %     

I know alot of Lamberts games were in the lower divisions but I spoke to a few season ticket supporters from the championship who said to me Norwich were the best team they had seen that year ( when they were in it ) .


just hoping his first signing isnt a 31 year old Grant Holt, think that would set the scene for the next 2 years

Not saying I want him , but what a signing for Norwich .  £400,000 , and 70 goals in 129 games.      I would have had him instead of Harewood or Heskey. 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 30, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
Wigan had a better team than Norwich .   Norwich stayed in the prem easy. 

Lambert for me
Debatable. I think goals count for a lot, and Grant Holt's goals really did the business. Their midfield was pretty decent too. Ruddy is good too and I've never been a big fan of Al Habsi.

I'd be happy with either. Also Wigan, more so than anyone else down in the bottom, particularly early season were a little unfortunate in many games. They deserved more points than they got. In the end their play started bringing the points they derserved.

For me though, both those squads are championship level. So survival for both is a real feat. Martinez has done it time and again and Wigan, who've become a Prem fixture continue to punch above their means. If Lambert stays at Norwich, the true test will be repeating survival next year. In that respect, I think Martinez has the upper hand.

I still think Wigan's team would have cost a lot more than Norwich's .
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Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: bilsim on May 30, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
The 100% reliable sources of twitter and facebook seem rife with suggestion that Norwich have given Lambert permission for talks.

A lot of Twitter posts claim Lambert's having a second interview tomorrow. I didn't even know he'd had the first.

There also seems to be a lot of love for Villas-Boas as the mystery man, and a fair sprinkling of Di Matteo and Benitez admirers.

AVB high line of defense would get us absolutely slaughtered. If we were to appoint him (which I don't think we will) our entire senior defense would have to be shipped out. Dunne, Warnock, Collins.. they can't play his style of football. Not with any sort of training. It just doesn't suit them. That being said, if we were to appoint AVB or Rafa I think Cuellar would get a recall.
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 30, 2012, 07:03:13 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!
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Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!
welcome to my world
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 30, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Well Dave Whelan who gets a terrible slagging has managed to keep his manager two seasons running. Thats quite an acheivement!

But forget  Martinez/OGS/Rodgers. Of the credible British managers left Lambert shines out like a veritable beacon.

Gus Poyet would be an interesting choice but like most of you I havent got a clue what Randy/PF are doing if indeed they are doing much at all.

If we have contacted Paul Lambert through whatever channels are available and he turns us down that will be a PR disaster
which will probably leave us with Di Matteo who hasnt been contacted by Chelsea and would cost us nothing as hes out of contract.

And he according to Baggie fans doesnt put in much effort during the week.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D

I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: andyh on May 30, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 30, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
I heard a rumour that RM's people contacted RL yesterday, after he got wind that LFC were going with Rodgers, to see if we wanted to talk and RL said they were looking at other options. Hence the 'announcement' from RM today.
I really hope this is how it panned out.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
i hope villadelph is wrong and is proven wrong. Though I must admit to having niggling fears at the back of my mind.

I hope I'm wrong too. Believe me, I only want to succeed and for Randy to find someone that is genuinely right for the club. I'm also a bit shocked that Martinez (who I don't fancy all that much but would support if appointed) is avoiding us like the plague. I feel as if he truly knows our situation and knows it's not worth taking on. In my eyes, he's aggressively dismissing us by pledging himself to Wigwam.

How do you see lambert? I see him as a great choice if appointed.

However, I think there is a big issue when respectable managers would rather stay at the likes of Wigan Athletic, Norwich City and Molde than come to Aston Villa.

I don't think Martinez was offered it this time otherwise surely Whelan would be telling us all how his manager has turned down Liverpool and Villa, and maybe OGS thought it was a bit too soon for him having only been in management a year. Lambert has'nt turned us down yet and besides it might not even be him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: bilsim on May 30, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
The 100% reliable sources of twitter and facebook seem rife with suggestion that Norwich have given Lambert permission for talks.


hope so , some big winnings for me for the bank holidaay ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 30, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 30, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
I heard a rumour that RM's people contacted RL yesterday, after he got wind that LFC were going with Rodgers, to see if we wanted to talk and RL said they were looking at other options. Hence the 'announcement' from RM today.
I really hope this is how it panned out.

Me too. We need to improve our PR. We should be spinning before DW gets his chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 30, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
I heard a rumour that RM's people contacted RL yesterday, after he got wind that LFC were going with Rodgers, to see if we wanted to talk and RL said they were looking at other options. Hence the 'announcement' from RM today.

If that was true , would tell me Villa did not want him after being second best and that is why he is staying at wigan.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I won't panic yet however I will say this, we've either got an ace up our sleeve or were fucked, I hope its not the former

Are you sure about that? I think 'latter' is the word you're looking for! Lol.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
Is he definitely staying at Wigan then?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D

I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)

No they won't, but the dog in Scooby Doo will ...

Velma isn't it?  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 30, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
Is he definitely staying at Wigan then?

From http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7787373/?

Dave Whelan has told Sky Sports News that Roberto Martinez has committed his future to Wigan Athletic.

Martinez has been locked in talks with Liverpool for the past few weeks - but Swansea's Brendan Rodgers is now on course to take charge at Anfield.

Martinez flew into Jersey on Wednesday to hold talks with Whelan and he told Sky Sports that his manager was staying put.

He had also again been linked to the vacancy at Aston Villa, which he turned down last year, but he has no intentions of speaking to anyone else.

Whelan also claimed that Martinez had 'grave reservations' about working under a potential director of football at Liverpool.

Whelan also confirmed that there will be no need to talk terms with Martinez.

"There will be no adjustment to his current deal," Whelan told Sky Sports NewsHD.

"He moves into second year of the deal previously agreed."

He also promised that Martinez would be backed in the transfer market, insisting that 'at least three or more players' would be brought in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!

That's if you assume we made a direct offer, or even interviewed him, which we didn't.

Who knows about the offer, but we definitely interviewed him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I won't panic yet however I will say this, we've either got an ace up our sleeve or were fucked, I hope its not the former

Are you sure about that? I think 'latter' is the word you're looking for! Lol.

The latter would mean were fucked and I'm hoping that's not the case
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 07:20:33 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I won't panic yet however I will say this, we've either got an ace up our sleeve or were fucked, I hope its not the former

Are you sure about that? I think 'latter' is the word you're looking for! Lol.

The latter would mean were fucked and I'm hoping that's not the case

Precisely, but your original post says you hope 'it's not the former' meaning you hope that we don't have an ace up our sleeve!

Not to worry though, was just joking about!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pedro25 on May 30, 2012, 07:23:43 PM
Lee Clark?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Oh sorry James I see what I did now lol. I knew you were messing mate
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D

I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)

No they won't, but the dog in Scooby Doo will ...

Velma isn't it?  ;D

she was hot in the live action film , not that I watched it like
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
Oh sorry James I see what I did now lol. I knew you were messing mate

No probs. Maybe it's Ace Very Big?  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TheSandman on May 30, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Rangnick looks like an interesting choice for the bitters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
Whoever it may be I just hope we get a little more optimistic and excited than the Liverpool fans on the radio. A lot not liking the Rogers appointment at all.

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2012, 07:31:06 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 30, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: cdengelbertfan on May 30, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
Is he definitely staying at Wigan then?

From http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7787373/?

Dave Whelan has told Sky Sports News that Roberto Martinez has committed his future to Wigan Athletic.

Martinez has been locked in talks with Liverpool for the past few weeks - but Swansea's Brendan Rodgers is now on course to take charge at Anfield.

Martinez flew into Jersey on Wednesday to hold talks with Whelan and he told Sky Sports that his manager was staying put.

He had also again been linked to the vacancy at Aston Villa, which he turned down last year, but he has no intentions of speaking to anyone else.

Whelan also claimed that Martinez had 'grave reservations' about working under a potential director of football at Liverpool.

Whelan also confirmed that there will be no need to talk terms with Martinez.

"There will be no adjustment to his current deal," Whelan told Sky Sports NewsHD.

"He moves into second year of the deal previously agreed."

He also promised that Martinez would be backed in the transfer market, insisting that 'at least three or more players' would be brought in.

Well I do hope this means Whelan now keeps his over-inflated opinions to himself until next summer when all of those 'massive clubs' yet again fail to bang down his door.  Martinez isn't going to get too many more opportunities to manage a big club by keeping Wigan in the premier league.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 30, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
Whoever it may be I just hope we get a little more optimistic and excited than the Liverpool fans on the radio. A lot not liking the Rogers appointment at all.



Weird that is. Don't know why they should expect any better. Laughed when the guy on 5Live said 80% of fans wanted Benitez - really???
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on May 30, 2012, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
Whoever it may be I just hope we get a little more optimistic and excited than the Liverpool fans on the radio. A lot not liking the Rogers appointment at all.



Weird that is. Don't know why they should expect any better. Laughed when the guy on 5Live said 80% of fans wanted Benitez - really???
Funny ole' buggers the Scouse....even more critical than us lot on here! :o)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
Whoever it may be I just hope we get a little more optimistic and excited than the Liverpool fans on the radio. A lot not liking the Rogers appointment at all.

Judging by the split in the poll above, I wouldn't count on it!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D

I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)

No they won't, but the dog in Scooby Doo will ...

Velma isn't it?  ;D


(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/scoobygirl.jpg)


looks alright here ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 30, 2012, 07:42:52 PM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
I'm convinced half the posters on this thread are blu-noses in disguise.



You're not a big fan of people disagreeing with you are you?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 30, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
She'll do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: andyh on May 30, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
Oh my good god !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 06:46:57 PM
Well, according to the press, it's now a straight choice between Paul Lambert and Mystery Manager.

That'd make an interesting poll!  ;D

I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)

No they won't, but the dog in Scooby Doo will ...

Velma isn't it?  ;D


(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/scoobygirl.jpg)


looks alright here ;)

Hahahahahahaha, can't argue with that, but I was referring to the cartoon forgetting that due to the lack of any original ideas Hollywood is remaking everything for fast bucks!

Anyway, sorry, wandered off topic there!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 30, 2012, 07:45:44 PM
What as Manager? Yeah OK by me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: My left Foot on May 30, 2012, 07:45:44 PM
What as Manager? Yeah OK by me.

Lol, yeah, and she's bringing the Chelski physio with her too, and Daphne as assistant manager!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Lambert it is then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!

That's if you assume we made a direct offer, or even interviewed him, which we didn't.

Who knows about the offer, but we definitely interviewed him.

We didn't - we held informal talks.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Lambert it is then.

Looks that way, but if he was first choice, why has it taken so long ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 30, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
Informal talks ie he wore his flipflops and a pair of sunglasses perched on his head
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Lambert it is then.

Looks that way, but if he was first choice, why has it taken so long ?

Because we had to discount two other first choices.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 30, 2012, 07:58:56 PM
Informal talks ie he wore his flipflops and a pair of sunglasses perched on his head

It was nice weather by the time we flew him over.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villadelph on May 30, 2012, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Lambert it is then.

Looks that way, but if he was first choice, why has it taken so long ?

Sky is yammering on that Lambert is now our first and only option. Formal talks to be held in the next 24-48 hours.

They don't know a damn thing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 08:01:14 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Lambert it is then.

Looks that way, but if he was first choice, why has it taken so long ?

Far from convinced he was 1st choice but the right man for the job in my opinion and thats what matters, i believe we will have a decent few years under him so lets enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!

That's if you assume we made a direct offer, or even interviewed him, which we didn't.

Who knows about the offer, but we definitely interviewed him.

We didn't - we held informal talks.

a four hour meetings with his wife and agent present = job interview; the informal bit would be phone calls/emails etc leading up to the meeting, Anyone describing it as "informal talks" is trying to downplay it,
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TonyD on May 30, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Chaps  Have been out the loop since Friday (took my old man to Rotterdam on the Sat 26th,  amazing how the last 30 years flew by, now 42- have a pic from the directors seats of us in front of our end of the  ground - was lump in throat moment, didnt bump into any other Villa fans?)anyway who is the driving seat for our next European Cup Final ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 30, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
I still want OGS  :'(    We never get our first choice, just left with sloppy seconds!

That's if you assume we made a direct offer, or even interviewed him, which we didn't.

Who knows about the offer, but we definitely interviewed him.

We didn't - we held informal talks.

a four hour meetings with his wife and agent present = job interview; the informal bit would be phone calls/emails etc leading up to the meeting, Anyone describing it as "informal talks" is trying to downplay it,

Okay, just me and the BBC then.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:07:10 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 30, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Chaps  Have been out the loop since Friday (took my old man to Rotterdam on the Sat 26th,  amazing how the last 30 years flew by, now 42- have a pic from the directors seats of us in front of our end of the  ground - was lump in throat moment, didnt bump into any other Villa fans?)anyway who is the driving seat for our next European Cup Final ?

Nice one!

Essentially, it's either Paul Lambert or somebody else that the press can't think of whom they are describing as Mystery Manager or such.

Rodgers to Liverpoo, Martinez to ... errrr ... Wigan!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 08:09:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

So contestant number one will be rocking up at Villa Park soon then, now that both contestants two, three and four are rule out? :-)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TonyD on May 30, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
Thought Rodgers had turned Liverpool down.   He would be my number one choice!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
At least it looks like it won't be Rangnick. Which is nice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!

I think we let him have a holiday before offering him the job. When we dragged McLeish from Corsica it was bound to end in tears...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!

Yep! Haven't had a Sky subscription for years now, and not seen SSN since they stopped it airing on Freeview. I don't think I'm missing much, am I?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 30, 2012, 08:23:00 PM
Frank Rjkard
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!

Yep! Haven't had a Sky subscription for years now, and not seen SSN since they stopped it airing on Freeview. I don't think I'm missing much, am I?

Only the female reporters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

Given that this morning it was Lambert, Martinez or Another, will that be the mystery man then, Dave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!

Yep! Haven't had a Sky subscription for years now, and not seen SSN since they stopped it airing on Freeview. I don't think I'm missing much, am I?

Only the female reporters.

By 'female reporters' do you mean 'token totty to keep the blokes tuned in'?  ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:32:33 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:15:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 08:12:26 PM
Sky Sports understands guesses that Aston Villa have made Norwich City manager Paul Lambert their number one target and are set to make an official approach.

More to follow...


Fixed!

I think we all guessed what Sky Sports know now 3 weeks ago!

Yep! Haven't had a Sky subscription for years now, and not seen SSN since they stopped it airing on Freeview. I don't think I'm missing much, am I?

Only the female reporters.

By 'female reporters' do you mean 'token totty to keep the blokes tuned in'?  ;)

Depends whether the topic crops up between my girlfriend and I. It's unlikely, so you're more accurate, I would say.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 30, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

Given that this morning it was Lambert, Martinez or Another, will that be the mystery man then, Dave?

Contestant number 3 on thst list is di matteo- surely hes not villa bound is he dave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 08:35:12 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 30, 2012, 07:40:08 PM


I bet Scobby and Shaggy will find out who he is  ;)




(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/scoobygirl.jpg)


looks alright here ;)
That makes an old Villa fan very happy!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 08:36:08 PM
I'm guessing that contestant number three is RDM.  I'd prefer Lambert to be honest.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 08:37:51 PM
Looking like your dreams will come true-at the moment.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:37:58 PM
he's the most popular man on our poll, over 30%, if you take Rodgers out of it as he's already gone the next nearest is Martinez with just 10%

not my choice, but you cant say the board have not listened this time, he is by far the peoples choice
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I think OGS would have been truly the people's choice to be fair, the poll above is pretty split isn't it?

I'm just hoping that by some Proprotional Representation like method we don't end up with a Grayson/KMac combo!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: IRISHPHIL on May 30, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
i would like poyet as manager , and martin laursen as assistant manager
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

Given that this morning it was Lambert, Martinez or Another, will that be the mystery man then, Dave?

Contestant number 3 on thst list is di matteo- surely hes not villa bound is he dave?

It wasn't di Matteo.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: IRISHPHIL on May 30, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
i would like poyet as manager , and martin laursen as assistant manager
We can all dream.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:47:27 PM
A lot of Norwich fans scurrying for cover on Twitter right now. There's a lot of 'there's no guarantee he'll go', 'the job's too big,' 'he wasn't first choice, screw them' etc. Personally, I have my doubts but we've not been linked to the option I wanted and of the ones we are, Lambert is far and away the most preferable one for me.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charlie on May 30, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
Is no 3 R benitez
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
If it is Lambert then I hope he has a no nonsense approach with some of the players at Villa Park and has the money to build his own squad.  I hope he goes straight in for the likes of Hoillet and also sorts the defence out sharpish.  I really hope that there is money available.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curiousorange on May 30, 2012, 08:48:45 PM
Quote from: charlie on May 30, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
Is no 3 R benitez


Mr Woodhall is alluding to Brendan Rodgers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 08:52:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

Given that this morning it was Lambert, Martinez or Another, will that be the mystery man then, Dave?

Contestant number 3 on thst list is di matteo- surely hes not villa bound is he dave?

It wasn't di Matteo.

Rodgers or Ranieri?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
If it is Lambert then I hope he has a no nonsense approach with some of the players at Villa Park and has the money to build his own squad.  I hope he goes straight in for the likes of Hoillet and also sorts the defence out sharpish.  I really hope that there is money available.


have we ever had a player thats named after one of the stands ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john2710 on May 30, 2012, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I think OGS would have been truly the people's choice to be fair, the poll above is pretty split isn't it?

Sometimes it's better that people don't get what they want. The euphoria that many people displayed on the possibility of OGS being our next manager was, to say the least, misguided. He offered nothing that warranted being considered for the job, in my opinion.

Lambert has been my choice since day one.

Martinez & Whelan can do one.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ajmant on May 30, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
spot on john!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
If it is Lambert then I hope he has a no nonsense approach with some of the players at Villa Park and has the money to build his own squad.  I hope he goes straight in for the likes of Hoillet and also sorts the defence out sharpish.  I really hope that there is money available.


have we ever had a player thats named after one of the stands ?

I'm a little slow on the uptake.  What does this mean John?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
So we declare a mystery third runner on the very day that third runner gets a job somewhere else?  There's something really naff about that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
So we declare a mystery third runner on the very day that third runner gets a job somewhere else?  There's something really naff about that.

We didn't declare it. The press did.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: CheeriOneill on May 30, 2012, 09:13:18 PM
Just signed in to paddy power to check what odds I got with my £8 on Lambert only to discover I also had £5 on Owen Coyle? Was he ever in frame or had I had too much Cidre?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
If it is Lambert then I hope he has a no nonsense approach with some of the players at Villa Park and has the money to build his own squad.  I hope he goes straight in for the likes of Hoillet and also sorts the defence out sharpish.  I really hope that there is money available.


have we ever had a player thats named after one of the stands ?

I'm a little slow on the uptake.  What does this mean John?

Grant Holt (rather clever that actually, named after a stand! Lol) - possibility that he'll come with Lambert. I don't think he will, but then I'm not sure that Lambert will come yet either!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 30, 2012, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 30, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 08:48:36 PM
If it is Lambert then I hope he has a no nonsense approach with some of the players at Villa Park and has the money to build his own squad.  I hope he goes straight in for the likes of Hoillet and also sorts the defence out sharpish.  I really hope that there is money available.


have we ever had a player thats named after one of the stands ?

I'm a little slow on the uptake.  What does this mean John?


Holt, bookies favourite to be his first signing
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:13:01 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 30, 2012, 09:11:39 PM
So we declare a mystery third runner on the very day that third runner gets a job somewhere else?  There's something really naff about that.

We didn't declare it. The press did.

Unless there was never a chance of Rodgers and there still is a mystery candidate? I'm overthinking this now aren't I?   :)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 30, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: CheeriOneill on May 30, 2012, 09:13:18 PM
Just signed in to paddy power to check what odds I got with my £8 on Lambert only to discover I also had £5 on Owen Coyle? Was he ever in frame or had I had too much Cidre?
Cidre my friend
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Tuscans on May 30, 2012, 09:25:13 PM
Right lets just tie up a deal for Lambert tomorrow for a press conference on Friday. Then he can get to work straight away on the day of the transfer window opening and tout how good Hutton is to Rangers....we can pay them a bob or 2 to take him and every ones a winner!  :P
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
I know Dunne and Collins have been poor this season generally but I thought Grant Holt really caused them problems at Carrow Road.  31 is a bit too old to be paying the sort of money Norwich are going to want though.  If they role it up into the compo for Paul Lambert though it might be worth the shout.

Just a question, but what If Lambert doesn't want to come to Villa?  Poyet next on the list or do Villa go back in for Martinez?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
If it is Lambert i'll be satisfied but not thrilled. For some reason, and before you ask I can't explain why, i'm not convinced by him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: brian green on May 30, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
I take it you mean tout him to QPR Tuscans.   Sweaty sock Rangers have nae a pot tae piss in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 30, 2012, 09:43:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 30, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
Just a question, but what If Lambert doesn't want to come to Villa?

Then the media will fall about laughing at our expense! There must be an interest in us though, he's hardly distanced himself from it has he? Of course, that may change after talks, let's bloody hope not if it gets that far!

Unless there is a plan avB of course!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Jim Bradley on May 30, 2012, 09:46:59 PM
For what it's worth my impression is that if OGS hadn't been leaked (or whichever way you want to paint it) then the majority of fans would have been over the moon with Lambert.  I for one don't follow the claims of Whelan that Villa wanted Martinez as No 1 choice, particularly as he turned us down last year.  So in conclusion get behind the manager (as long as it's Lambert!) but let's face it no-one outside of the VP inner circle knows for sure yet....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.
Holt didn't score that day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 09:55:57 PM
Silly rumours on Villatalk that Lambert has resigned.  Oh the joys of idiots on Twatter!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:56:30 PM
Paul right now... Aston Villa want Lambert to replace McLeish as Martinez stays with Wigan By Neil Moxley
PUBLISHED: 21:25, 30 May 2012 | UPDATED: 21:33, 30 May 2012

Paul Lambert looks set to become Aston Villa's new manager after their first choice, Roberto Martinez, opted to stay at Wigan Athletic.

Villa's hierarchy will approach Norwich City for permission to speak to the Scot.

Lambert has been on the shortlist of the Midlands club since the day Alex McLeish was sacked. He was joined by Martinez and a third candidate, believed to be Brendan Rodgers, but Villa are happy with a choice that has been made with the fans' blessing.

It is not yet a done deal and Villa will fall back on other candidates - understood to be Brighton's Gus Poyet or former Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez - if they cannot reach agreement with 1997 Champions League winner Lambert.

But the path to appoint the Norwich boss was undoubtedly made easier after Villa made it clear, as outlined in Sportsmail yesterday, that Martinez had lost ground in  the race when he was interviewed by Liverpool owner John W Henry last week.

Martinez contacted Villa three days ago to say that his interest in the position was concrete but he was informed by chief executive Paul Faulkner that Randy Lerner was not prepared to wait to get  his man and had progressed with alternative plans. Villa have used an intermediary to smooth a path to the Norfolk club and compensation for the 42-year-old should be agreed swiftly.

Lerner was anxious to re-connect with supporters following the ill-advised decision to appoint McLeish and Lambert appeared the most popular choice on fans' websites.  It means Martinez has missed out on the chance to manage Villa for the second season in succession following his very public snub 12 months ago.

Not that the Wigan boss should worry. He still has two years left to run on his contract with the Lancashire club and Wigan owner Dave Whelan may even look to improve it.

He said: 'Roberto is staying at Wigan and, of course, I am  absolutely delighted.

'He was never offered the job at Liverpool because he was not happy with the way that it was presented to him. He has had some talks with Villa but he's not going to go there either. Villa are a fantastic club with great supporters but I never thought they were big enough for him.
'I've said all along that I never thought he would end up there and, fortunately for us, that's how it has turned out.

'If Roberto is to go anywhere, it will be to one of the top clubs in Europe. We're just so pleased he's staying with us.'

Whelan added: 'During the course of our meeting, we discussed a lot of things and it was very productive. I've agreed to his request to up our spending on youth development and training facilities. That's going to be pretty costly as I've agreed to a full-sized indoor pitch - that will cost £1.5million. 'I have also agreed to bring in three or four new players.
'We want Roberto to be happy at Wigan and we will be aiming to make sure that we do everything we can to keep him.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2152360/Aston-Villa-want-Paul-Lambert-replace-Alex-McLeish.html#ixzz1wO9q4sjB


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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.
Exactly. I also wasn't aware he had already signed Grant Holt!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.
Holt didn't score that day.

Apologies for my mistake but he is still a striker we dont need nor i would think would be wanted by most supporters.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.
Holt didn't score that day.

Apologies for my mistake but he is still a striker we dont need nor i would think would be wanted by most supporters.
That quite alright. Just correcting for completeness' sake.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: DeKuip on May 30, 2012, 10:02:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 09:27:18 PM
If it is Lambert i'll be satisfied but not thrilled. For some reason, and before you ask I can't explain why, i'm not convinced by him.

That's how I feel. Maybe I'd had my hopes raised we might have an exciting appointment that would finally see our football move into the 21st century.
Satisfied in that we'll probably start winning a few games and being a bit more positive, but I'd love to see a truly stylish and inventive Villa side one day.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?
The fact that he is young. And the fact that he has just achieved back-to-back promotions and taken a team expecting to be relegated to their highest finish in two decades. Despite spending a fraction of the money available to most other teams in the division.

He quite clearly meets both criteria in full.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.
Quite - he's of the 'new' school rather than the #'old' , whence TSM came.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?
He said vibrant. Taking a club you have just thrashed to back to back promotions and then comfortably keeping them in the PL within 3 seasons is a sign of someone quite vibrant to me. If we had been told it was Lambert the day AM was sacked there would have been jubilation on here! You only had to look at the supporters reaction at Carrow Road on the last day to know that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:06:27 PM
I might put a tenner on Gary Waddock being our manager within 10 years. We do seem to like people who have Wycombe on their CV.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:08:22 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.
Exactly. I also wasn't aware he had already signed Grant Holt!

Didn't say he had, just strongly linked and like I say NO THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Hopadop on May 30, 2012, 10:09:37 PM
I've just realised, he'd be our first manager younger than me.

On that basis, he can fuck right off.
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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

We will agree to disagree on both of those dfinitions of young and vibrant then Dave
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Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 10:11:24 PM
Thanks for that link

this...

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But the path to appoint the Norwich boss was undoubtedly made easier after Villa made it clear, as outlined in Sportsmail yesterday, that Martinez had lost ground in  the race when he was interviewed by Liverpool owner John W Henry last week.

What sort of BS is this?  The man is in demand because he coaches football - not longball - that Liverpool wanted him should be a plus in my book - but I have the awful feeling that Faulkner/Lerner haven't even invited him for an Ole style 'chat' - and old uncle Dave is railroading the kid with his pronouncements.

Put your hurt feelings where the sun don't shine and at least get him over and show him the project before you listen to the 'people's' choice.  Sod us - if we knew anything at all we wouldn't be slaving away to make ends meet or indeed wasting energy on message-boards.

If you're happy with 8th to 12th and 'direct' football - you are on the right track - if you want vibrancy and a footballing philosophy I fear you are not.

I could of course be completely wrong - as Norwich did win something last season - they're top of the league for long balls.
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 30, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
Just out of interest, Grant Holt has just retweeted a link about PL moving here. A very odd thing to do. Maybe that explains his transfer request?
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Post by: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:15:06 PM
I may be on my own here but I like Holt, I think he caused us massive problems at their place, he's handy in the box, let's face it Agbonlahor has hardly pulled up any trees and he'd be a good option on the bench
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I wasn't aware we had already offered 3 people the job.
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Post by: nodge on May 30, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
Anytime you're Lambert way
Any evening, any day,
You'll find us all doin' the Lambert walk.

Ev'ry little Lambert gal
With her little Lambert pal,
You'll find 'em all doin' the Lambert walk.


There's one for the teenagers!

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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?
The fact that he is young. And the fact that he has just achieved back-to-back promotions and taken a team expecting to be relegated to their highest finish in two decades. Despite spending a fraction of the money available to most other teams in the division.

He quite clearly meets both criteria in full.


And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.
FFS, stop looking at the negatives!
Lambert will be happy if he signs for us! End of.
If he doesn't, well there you go: it obviously won't have been right!
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Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.
Holt didn't score that day.

Apologies for my mistake but he is still a striker we dont need nor i would think would be wanted by most supporters.

If Pobgregnyak (sp) is on a free, I'd rather have a look at him than spend silly money on Holt.  As for the increase in crowds, I think Villa could have appointed Fred West and we'd get better crowds next season than last.  The football cannot be any worse under Lambert than McLeish, even if it's just for the fact that the guy hates losing.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2012, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I'm not convinced any of what you say is accurate.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:20:34 PM
emile has been recalled back to villa park to head the long ball bladder aproach
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
And managed a team that who finished a helluva lot higher than us last season, with - some say -  a vastly inferior squad of players. Get off his case and get behind him!
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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:15:06 PM
I may be on my own here but I like Holt, I think he caused us massive problems at their place, he's handy in the box, let's face it Agbonlahor has hardly pulled up any trees and he'd be a good option on the bench

Scored his goal with MASSIVE HANDS actually
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:10:57 PM

We will agree to disagree on both of those dfinitions of young and vibrant then Dave

How young do you want your manager then bearing in mind he is only 3 years older then OGS? Yes AVB is 34 but that seems to be the exception rather then the rule. Also can you tell us your definition of vibrant.
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:20:34 PM
emile has been recalled back to villa park to head the long ball bladder aproach
And the value of this comment is what exactly?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 30, 2012, 10:23:08 PM
Re the last few posts:

They didn't say young, just vibrant.

Norwich won something the last TWO seasons - promotion.

There's no shame in a third division side comfortably surviving in the Premier League playing a few long balls.

Fred West was a Villa fan.
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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I wasn't aware we had already offered 3 people the job.

You aren't aware that we haven't either are you?
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
mick mick where ever you may be your coming to the villa from the black country
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Post by: Virgil Caine on May 30, 2012, 10:24:30 PM
If it is Lambert then OK with me, I have read a lot of different views and opinions and everyone has a right to express their thoughts. I predict that next season will be better but such is the money bias of the Premier League it will be hard to win something, a good couple of cup runs have to be our expectation. As for Lambert and long ball tactics, good, I see no value in watching defenders pass the ball between themselves for minutes on end, unless things have changed a team scores more goals when the ball is in the opposition 18 yard box, the quicker you get it there the better. A lot of bovine poo is talked about nifty inter-passing in areas where it doesn't count, looks pretty but it bores the crap out of me.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

We will agree to disagree on both of those dfinitions of young and vibrant then Dave

How young do you want then? Lambert the Toddler? Lambert the Embryo? Lambert the gleam in the milkman's eye?
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Post by: DB on May 30, 2012, 10:25:55 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
And managed a team that who finished a helluva lot higher than us last season, with - some say -  a vastly inferior squad of players. Get off his case and get behind him!

Exactly, everywhere you look he had nothing but positive comments. I'm not sure who some people on here think we can get, but I for one will be over the moon if he joins.

Oh, hang-on, with him playing under MON then he must be MON Mk 2, I forgot....
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Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
mick mick where ever you may be your coming to the villa from the black country
And the value of this comment is exactly what?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I wasn't aware we had already offered 3 people the job.

You aren't aware that we haven't either are you?

Yes I am.
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Post by: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:20:34 PM
emile has been recalled back to villa park to head the long ball bladder aproach
And the value of this comment is what exactly?
ready for the new manager
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I wasn't aware we had already offered 3 people the job.

You aren't aware that we haven't either are you?

Yes.
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Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: John M on May 30, 2012, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I'm not convinced any of what you say is accurate.

I'm not convinced any of what you say is accurate either
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:23:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

I wasn't aware we had already offered 3 people the job.

You aren't aware that we haven't either are you?

So it is alright to say something as fact and when someone points out there is no proof, point to the lack of proof as being fact. Are you a priest?
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Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 30, 2012, 10:23:08 PM
Re the last few posts:

They didn't say young, just vibrant.

Norwich won something the last TWO seasons - promotion.

I think there's no shame in a third division side comfortably staying up playing a few long balls.

Fred West was a Villa fan.


And would have been a better Manager than TSM!!  8) 

Paul Lambert? Yes please. Long ball to Grant Holt?  It worked for Norwich didn't it?  He scored what? 17 goals or so, therefore I'd say Lambert played tho their strengths but this doesn't make him Mr Long Ball. Sign him up please Randy.
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Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2012, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Martinez, a choker?

Either that or Dave Whelan has some pictures of him in a compromising situation!!

Both. I heard he was a big Linekar fan...
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Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season

I know that you keep repeating this, but could you back this up with a source of some sort?

Not saying that it's wrong, but it would be interesting to see the data that you are using.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 30, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
We have a nose people. Isn't he cute? Look at his cute little hunchback.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
And managed a team that who finished a helluva lot higher than us last season, with - some say -  a vastly inferior squad of players. Get off his case and get behind him!

You have the last word sir!
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Post by: KRS on May 30, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
Last time I checked we were about to make an official enquiry regarding Lambert becoming our new manager...so why all the talk of Holt all of a sudden? We have Bent, Gabby and a few attacking midfielders capable of scoring goals so why would he consider bringing Holt with him?

Lambert hasnt been blessed with the most talented footballers whilst at Norwich so even though the statistics over his long ball game may be true, there is good reason why he played that way and the most important thing is that it got him results. Should Lambert become the next Villa manager and should he sign Holt, then it wont harm our chances of doing what we struggled to do so much last season...putting the ball in the back of the net, whether that may be via long balls, crosses or playing the passing game.

If hes the man for the job and can secure our place back in the top 10 fighting for European places then he'll be a welcome appointment at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2012, 10:29:49 PM

Quote from: cdward on May 30, 2012, 10:13:25 PM
Will Lambert be happy that he is only first choice target after we have been rejected by OGS, Martinez and waited til Rodgers has made his choice.
If I was him I wouldn't be convinced.

FFS We have NOT been rejected by OGS and Martinez. We have been sounding out Lambert since about 10 days ago.
 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 30, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
Quote from: Olneythelonely on May 30, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
We have a nose people. Isn't he cute? Look at his cute little hunchback.

Show some respect. That's his conjoined sister.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.

Given that he's the favourite in every poll I'd say he's exactly the man they want and will do a lot to increase crowds.

Given that PF said they were looking for "young and vibrant" in what way does Lambert fulfill either of these criteria?

He's 42 and got two successive promotions.

And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season
And managed a team that who finished a helluva lot higher than us last season, with - some say -  a vastly inferior squad of players. Get off his case and get behind him!

You have the last word sir!
Okay: the last words are normally "good night and goodbye".
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:15:06 PM
I may be on my own here but I like Holt, I think he caused us massive problems at their place, he's handy in the box, let's face it Agbonlahor has hardly pulled up any trees and he'd be a good option on the bench

Scored his goal with MASSIVE HANDS actually

Hence why I said handy, I still think he'd do a job
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charlie on May 30, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
If its Lambert...............
a............  its not Eck/southgate/dol/lennon/+ [add own view of crap artists]
b...............his teams did play to score goals
c...............he buys and plays young teams
d.....................he is not eck
e...............................oh bugger, hand together eyes closed, let us pray
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:33:31 PM
Can you imagine the monthly bill for cream buns if we had Dunne and Holt at the club. We'd be bankrupt before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 30, 2012, 10:34:30 PM
Quote from: charlie on May 30, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
If its Lambert...............
a............  its not Eck/southgate/dol/lennon/+ [add own view of crap artists]
b...............his teams did play to score goals
c...............he buys and plays young teams
d.....................he is not eck
e...............................oh bugger, hand together eyes closed, let us pray
Oh, and 33% of the people on this thread said "YES!"
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 30, 2012, 10:34:43 PM
but it would be hard to get past the fat fkers
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season

I know that you keep repeating this, but could you back this up with a source of some sort?

Not saying that it's wrong, but it would be interesting to see the data that you are using.

It's there Dave keep looking just as RL and PF are!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ian. on May 30, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Well if he comes to Villa that's a cracking appointment. I must admit I wanted him before the OGS scenario but something about that kind of captured my imagination and I like many got wrapped up in this exciting vision with him

Lambert is a very sound choice, maybe not as exciting as OGS. That was like dipping into the unknown wonders of the ocean. Lambert is a good manager, he seems to want to be a winner and has shown versatility with his teams. Why some people suddenly think he plays the long ball game I don't know. Maybe sometimes they are very competitive and direct, but so what? He is not a one trick pony like MON so it could be a exciting era for us.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season

I know that you keep repeating this, but could you back this up with a source of some sort?

Not saying that it's wrong, but it would be interesting to see the data that you are using.

It's there Dave keep looking just as RL and PF are!
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2012, 10:39:18 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 30, 2012, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I think OGS would have been truly the people's choice to be fair, the poll above is pretty split isn't it?

Sometimes it's better that people don't get what they want. The euphoria that many people displayed on the possibility of OGS being our next manager was, to say the least, misguided. He offered nothing that warranted being considered for the job, in my opinion.

Lambert has been my choice since day one.

Martinez & Whelan can do one.

Bang on John.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
Douglas Adams thinks Lambert is the perfect age.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: asgpaul on May 30, 2012, 10:39:51 PM
None of us really know what's gone on behind the scenes, but obviously its vital they get this appointment right and we have some longevity with the next man. 

However, I do think credit is due with regard to the prompt sacking of McLeish and subsequent statements issued regarding and I for one would be delighted if indeed Lambert gets the job.

After the abysmal last two seasons, it feels like an opportunity to press the reset button and start again.  I just hope whoever is appointed is given time to rebuild, not just from the board, but from our own supporters. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 30, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
Take no notice Dave, he's obviously just copied Monty's homework.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 30, 2012, 10:37:00 PM
Well if he comes to Villa that's a cracking appointment. I must admit I wanted him before the OGS scenario but something about that kind of captured my imagination and I like many got wrapped up in this exciting vision with him

Lambert is a very sound choice, maybe not as exciting as OGS. That was like dipping into the unknown wonders of the ocean. Lambert is a good manager, he seems to want to be a winner and has shown versatility with his teams. Why some people suddenly think he plays the long ball game I don't know. Maybe sometimes they are very competitive and direct, but so what? He is not a one trick pony like MON so it could be a exciting era for us.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 30, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
I take it you mean tout him to QPR Tuscans.   Sweaty sock Rangers have nae a pot tae piss in.

Brian, they can have him for 2p in the pound.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.

Damn right, you know anything Dave?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.

Damn right, you know anything Dave?

Only what I've said. Given that they've played this one very close to their chests, the story getting out now would seem to indicate an announcment is imminent. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pr_N'villa on May 30, 2012, 10:45:09 PM
So if lambert is to be our new manager people are having concerns with the style of  football he plays, to be honest i couldnt care how we played football as long as it got results. At the end of the day football is a results game. You can play all the nice football you like if you dont win games it doesnt matter. I want 3 points every weekend and if the team is going for it and trying regardless of the style they play thats all that matters. Winning or trying to win. Not giving up before a ball is kick like the previous buffon in charge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season

I know that you keep repeating this, but could you back this up with a source of some sort?

Not saying that it's wrong, but it would be interesting to see the data that you are using.

It's there Dave keep looking just as RL and PF are!
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

I'd give OPTA a call Dave they should be able to confirm it for you.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
Douglas Adams thinks Lambert is the perfect age.

Douglas Adams can't think he's dead!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2012, 10:49:12 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.

I know what you mean but a bit of actual football would be nice.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:50:02 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.

Likewise
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2012, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.

Damn right, you know anything Dave?

Only what I've said. Given that they've played this one very close to their chests, the story getting out now would seem to indicate an announcment is imminent. 

Cheers, I'm a bit behind.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2012, 10:52:48 PM
The thing that's stood out for me watching Norwich this season is that their players never stand still. As soon as they have the ball there is movement and options everywhere.

You can say what you want about their tactics, but they've been enjoyable to watch, and they've done this with players in their side who are clearly deficient technically in certain areas, but have a manager who can work tactically to overcome them.

Fuck me do we need some of that.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2012, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
And managed a team who finished top of the long ball league last season

I know that you keep repeating this, but could you back this up with a source of some sort?

Not saying that it's wrong, but it would be interesting to see the data that you are using.

It's there Dave keep looking just as RL and PF are!
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

I'd give OPTA a call Dave they should be able to confirm it for you.

Fucking hell mate!  Bore off will you? Football is horses for courses.  They have taken over two weeks to get to the right decision, so they have done their homework and think they have the right man.  Norwich played to their strengths last season and stayed up. If they went long ball all well and good, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Lambert will play that way with Villa.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TheSandman on May 30, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

And midtable for short passes... They are hardly Stoke are they.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2012, 10:54:53 PM
All I want is a manager who plays to win, gets us winning more than we lose, gets us scoring a few and if he could introduce the concept of movement off the ball then that would be splendid.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

What is coonsidered a long ball in those stats?  Think there is a world of difference between good balls up to a front man's feet and chest, and the kind aimless hoofs upfield we saw from Villa last season.  I know it is a different era, but Graham Taylor was labelled a "long ball" manager, but we played some pretty decent football under him first time around.  It might just be me, but I personally wouldn't want to watch Swansea play every week.  I would much rather watch an incisive, attacking team who mix the play up a bit (like Newcastle or Spurs do).       
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Irish villain on May 30, 2012, 11:08:16 PM
Just back from footy and I see Lambert in the frame. Good news.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 30, 2012, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
I couldn't care less about long balls, short balls or square balls as long as they end up in the opposition net more often than ours.
This.
When we appointed AM I said he'd be a hero at VP if he won every game 1-0....

We all know the rest....
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

What is coonsidered a long ball in those stats?  Think there is a world of difference between good balls up to a front man's feet and chest, and the kind aimless hoofs upfield we saw from Villa last season.  I know it is a different era, but Graham Taylor was labelled a "long ball" manager, but we played some pretty decent football under him first time around.  It might just be me, but I personally wouldn't want to watch Swansea play every week.  I would much rather watch an incisive, attacking team who mix the play up a bit (like Newcastle or Spurs do).       
According to that table we attempted fewer long-balls on average than Wigan, Swansea, Man Utd or Fulham.

I say that we either get Alex McLeish and his neat, passing football back or assume that these statistics are not all they are cracked up to be.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 11:14:13 PM
Dear Dave the Moderator (sounds like a pop act)

Here

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=46704.msg2059112#msg2059112 (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=46704.msg2059112#msg2059112)

Only an opinion

And maybe it's a case of cutting his cloth etc - but anyone who says they don't care what type of football we play I don't understand.  If it is Lambert - I will wish him well and support him and look forward to a very large slice of humble pie.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 30, 2012, 11:17:45 PM
Felt all along that Lambert is right for us . Question is does he feel the same about us ?
Our style ,if we have one, has always been counter attacking with wingers and pace with one or two midfielders who can do some damage as well ,and a traditional centre forward (Gray, Withe Dublin Carew etc.)
I really hope we can get him as apart from the raw excitement of the OGS potential, Martinez and Rodgers never seemed a Villa fit.
If he turns us down start worrying !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

What is coonsidered a long ball in those stats?  Think there is a world of difference between good balls up to a front man's feet and chest, and the kind aimless hoofs upfield we saw from Villa last season.  I know it is a different era, but Graham Taylor was labelled a "long ball" manager, but we played some pretty decent football under him first time around.  It might just be me, but I personally wouldn't want to watch Swansea play every week.  I would much rather watch an incisive, attacking team who mix the play up a bit (like Newcastle or Spurs do).       
According to that table we attempted fewer long-balls on average than Wigan, Swansea, Man Utd or Fulham.

I say that we either get Alex McLeish and his neat, passing football back or assume that these statistics are not all they are cracked up to be.

A lot of that is due to the fact that we had so little possession that, whilst we hoofed it away a lot other clubs played more long passes due to having more time on the ball.  The short passes per game stat is the telling one from our season.

On topic Lambert is ok, I won't be disappointed but I'm not a huge fan, not so much the football, which was monball but with a bit of tactical skill, but I just think he comes across as a bit of an arse when he's interviewed.  I worry he believes his own hype too much in all honesty.  Same with Martinez and Rodgers which is why I've never wanted any of them.

I will, of course, back him if he comes but I can't help but feel we've missed an opportunity with this one, if only the ogs stuff hadn't gone public it could all have been very different.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

What is coonsidered a long ball in those stats?  Think there is a world of difference between good balls up to a front man's feet and chest, and the kind aimless hoofs upfield we saw from Villa last season.  I know it is a different era, but Graham Taylor was labelled a "long ball" manager, but we played some pretty decent football under him first time around.  It might just be me, but I personally wouldn't want to watch Swansea play every week.  I would much rather watch an incisive, attacking team who mix the play up a bit (like Newcastle or Spurs do).       
According to that table we attempted fewer long-balls on average than Wigan, Swansea, Man Utd or Fulham.

I say that we either get Alex McLeish and his neat, passing football back or assume that these statistics are not all they are cracked up to be.

I'm definitely thinking the latter Dave, unless balls sliced into the crowd didn't register.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 30, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
It's where? I've had a quick search and I can only find the table from 2010/11. If you could point me in the right direction that would be smashing.

Second Table, Pass Type. (http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/2935/Stages/5476/TeamStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012)

Of course not pointing out that second was everyones favourite footballing manager in 'Arry.

What is coonsidered a long ball in those stats?  Think there is a world of difference between good balls up to a front man's feet and chest, and the kind aimless hoofs upfield we saw from Villa last season.  I know it is a different era, but Graham Taylor was labelled a "long ball" manager, but we played some pretty decent football under him first time around.  It might just be me, but I personally wouldn't want to watch Swansea play every week.  I would much rather watch an incisive, attacking team who mix the play up a bit (like Newcastle or Spurs do).       
According to that table we attempted fewer long-balls on average than Wigan, Swansea, Man Utd or Fulham.

I say that we either get Alex McLeish and his neat, passing football back or assume that these statistics are not all they are cracked up to be.

I'm guessing it is completed passes, which kind of explains the reason we were so low in comparison. If it was long aimless clearances and unsuccessful attempts I'm sure we would be double the nearest.

Also it is 35 yards and above for a long pass which could be the keeper kicking it to a midfielder in his own half still. There is a lot that can be used to pick apart the stats, I just linked to them to stop Mr-Villa from being Mr R-C.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?

I don't know but they did score 80 odd goals in both the champ and the previous season when he first took over (just after his team knocked 7 past them). So he can get goals from his team. TBH Darren Bent fit and form from N'Zog and we will be a darn sight better team anyway. Who played Left side for Norwich as most of their attacking play seemed to be down that side?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:41:20 PM
Anthony Pilkington.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.


Well quite. But forgive me if I would like to see some decent football at home, something we have been starved of for a while. My hopes are that as he did all his badges in Germany that he is a different beast to O'Neill and acknowledges there is a world beyond these shores.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: villadom on May 30, 2012, 11:42:00 PM
Lambert would be good, but why are we not going for Laudrup?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2012, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.


Well quite. But forgive me if I would like to see some decent football at home, something we have been starved of for a while. My hopes are that as he did all his badges in Germany that he is a different beast to O'Neill and acknowledges there is a world beyond these shores.

Ozz, just because he has links to MON doesn't make him MON Watch the game at Arsenal. I want our team to go to places that on paper we shouldn't win and have the attitude that fuck it, we are going for it anyway. He has had good winning home records. I want to watch home games again with the confidence that the manager is planning to win every game. I think Lambert will bring that immediately.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.


Well quite. But forgive me if I would like to see some decent football at home, something we have been starved of for a while.

Well their last home match they had 21 shot at goal with 12 on target.  <wink>

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Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2012, 12:02:03 AM
Just reading those comments from Dave Whelan. What a complete wanker.

I hope we absolutely thump Wigan next season and show them what a great club we are.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:02:32 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 30, 2012, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.


Well quite. But forgive me if I would like to see some decent football at home, something we have been starved of for a while. My hopes are that as he did all his badges in Germany that he is a different beast to O'Neill and acknowledges there is a world beyond these shores.

Ozz, just because he has links to MON doesn't make him MON Watch the game at Arsenal. I want our team to go to places that on paper we shouldn't win and have the attitude that fuck it, we are going for it anyway. He has had good winning home records. I want to watch home games again with the confidence that the manager is planning to win every game. I think Lambert will bring that immediately.

We won at Arsenal with MON though I seem to recall?

I was hoping for a bit more exotic, but had you offered me Lambert 3 weeks ago I would have snapped your arm off.
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Post by: midian on May 31, 2012, 12:03:41 AM
On twitter Peter Lansley from The Times reportin Lambert as resigned after being refused talks with Villa???
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Post by: asgpaul on May 31, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4347635/Paul-Lambert-quits-Norwich-after-furious-row-over-Villa-job.html
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Post by: Dave on May 31, 2012, 12:05:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:02:32 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 30, 2012, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 30, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 30, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Not a Lambert fan, but then we don't always get what we want. Too much like Martin for me. I hope to be proved wrong.

How did Norwich play in the Championship?
Clearly extremely well as they won an awful lot of matches.


Well quite. But forgive me if I would like to see some decent football at home, something we have been starved of for a while. My hopes are that as he did all his badges in Germany that he is a different beast to O'Neill and acknowledges there is a world beyond these shores.

Ozz, just because he has links to MON doesn't make him MON Watch the game at Arsenal. I want our team to go to places that on paper we shouldn't win and have the attitude that fuck it, we are going for it anyway. He has had good winning home records. I want to watch home games again with the confidence that the manager is planning to win every game. I think Lambert will bring that immediately.

We won at Arsenal with MON though I seem to recall?
We won at Arsenal with McAllister as well.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:05:07 AM
The sun, talksport and others reporting the same.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.
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Post by: Jimbo on May 31, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
I'll take Lambert. He looks like the type of nasty bastard that gets players playing.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.

Agreed. Or word filter it to insult the poster writing it!!
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 31, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4347635/Paul-Lambert-quits-Norwich-after-furious-row-over-Villa-job.html

I don't think we have to worry about him not wanting to come to us now do we?
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Post by: Leighton on May 31, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
Just been announced that Lambert has quit.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:13:39 AM
Deja vu.

Scottish manager that Villa are linked with quits his job.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.

Agreed. Or word filter it to insult the poster writing it!!

Why? Nobody objected to 'Eck's stupid nickname. He earnt many others of course, but we'll leave that aside!
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 31, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4347635/Paul-Lambert-quits-Norwich-after-furious-row-over-Villa-job.html

I don't think we have to worry about him not wanting to come to us now do we?

two words MARK HUGHES wasnt he nailed on till he did this last season?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:10:16 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.

Agreed. Or word filter it to insult the poster writing it!!

Why? Nobody objected to 'Eck's stupid nickname.

I did.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:13:39 AM
Deja vu.

Scottish manager that Villa are linked with quits his job.

I hadn't realised he played under TSM before. Surely for the ones mentioning it, that is more of a worry then him playing under TNIM and picking up influences from him.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2012, 12:16:00 AM
'Lambo' is the obvious name but sounds wanky.

I will go with 'PL'. Makes a change to have a manager with just a two initials name rather than three, after SGT, DOL, MON and AFM.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: Paulie Walbert on May 31, 2012, 12:16:00 AM
'Lambo' is the obvious name but sounds wanky.

I will go with 'PL'. Makes a change to have a manager with just a two initials name rather than three, after SGT, DOL, MON and AFM.

You've been waiting to use that one haven't you?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:17:25 AM
I never knew AM's middle name was Frank.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:19:00 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2012, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 31, 2012, 12:05:01 AM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4347635/Paul-Lambert-quits-Norwich-after-furious-row-over-Villa-job.html

I don't think we have to worry about him not wanting to come to us now do we?

two words MARK HUGHES wasnt he nailed on till he did this last season?

I thought it was the club realising the baggage he was bringing (his staff from top to bottom). The quitting had nothing to do with it and was probably Sparky jumping the gun and not thinking we could ever not employ him.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:15:49 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:13:39 AM
Deja vu.

Scottish manager that Villa are linked with quits his job.

I hadn't realised he played under TSM before. Surely for the ones mentioning it, that is more of a worry then him playing under TNIM and picking up influences from him.

No more relevant either way. TSM was the man who refused Lambert a contract at Motherwell and let him walk out on a Bosman, only to trial at PSG and then sign for Dortmund, with whom he went on to win the European Cup. Good shout TSM!
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
Wait an ex old firm manager quits, breaking his contract to join us, for which we will pay compensation hours after rumours of Martinez not joining us appear.

Did I see this movie before?  ;D

*seriously, I would be happy enough with Lambert.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.

I think we should just call him Paulie on here. That would never be confusing and could lead to fun if he is a disaster of predecessor proportions.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:22:47 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
Wait an ex old firm managerquits, breaking his contract to join us, for which we will pay compensation hours after rumours of Martinez not joining us appear.

Did I see this movie before? ;D

*seriously, I would be happy enough with Lambert.

No.

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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:24:34 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
Wait an ex old firm manager quits, breaking his contract to join us, for which we will pay compensation hours after rumours of Martinez not joining us appear.

Did I see this movie before?  ;D

*seriously, I would be happy enough with Lambert.

Not unless Livingston are suddenly part of the bigot derby.
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Post by: garyellis on May 31, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 31, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
I'll take Lambert. He looks like the type of nasty bastard that gets players playing.
Can't believe some of the posts on here and VT I have always had a soft spot for Norwich and hope they continue to do well in the Premiership. But come on, to compare them with Villa is an absolute joke we are a very special football club (I remember vividly our 3rd division days) and always will be. This club has the potential as we have seen recently to strike at the top four we must not allow the Villa to slip any further behind than we have since the summer of 2010. I found it easy to predict that the previous manager would leave at the end of the season, it was a no brainer. I have struggled to predict or have a favourite for his successor. However, PL has an impressive CV and if the Board believe that this can benefit us I would back his appointment all the way. What will impress me is that he has the vision and the balls to take the job I want him to become our modern day Ron Saunders and get this club back on track. I'm sure there is an historical link there but Dave will remember that better than me.
 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:25:01 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 30, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
Quote from: James on May 30, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 30, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I think contestant number three got a new job this afternoon.

Given that this morning it was Lambert, Martinez or Another, will that be the mystery man then, Dave?

Contestant number 3 on thst list is di matteo- surely hes not villa bound is he dave?

It wasn't di Matteo.

Just reading the thread 5 hours behind. No 3 was probably Rodgers
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:21:46 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Lambo? I propose that we publicly flog anyone on here who calls him that.

I think we should just call him Paulie on here. That would never be confusing and could lead to fun if he is a disaster of predecessor proportions.

Calling him Paulie works for me.
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Post by: Leighton on May 31, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
I'm going to call him Larry. It will probably wear off as soon as you all tell me I'm being a tit.
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Post by: curiousorange on May 31, 2012, 12:27:55 AM
I hate myself for it, but i'm waiting for Sky Sports confirmation before I get out the welcome mat.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.

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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 12:21:30 AM
Wait an ex old firm manager quits, breaking his contract to join us, for which we will pay compensation hours after rumours of Martinez not joining us appear.

Did I see this movie before?  ;D

*seriously, I would be happy enough with Lambert.

Hey he was a player not a manager. What crack were you smoking?

*lets just pretend I never posted that eh?
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:35:15 AM
The problem with managerial resignations are they can cause something to drag on for ages if the 'wronged' club decide to really push the breach of contract thing.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.

TSM also resigned, never stopped us signing him. (and having to pay compensation).
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Post by: Billy Walker on May 31, 2012, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.



I think it's a very different set of circumstances to that with Hughes.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: Leighton on May 31, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
I'm going to call him Larry. It will probably wear off as soon as you all tell me I'm being a tit.

We won't call you a tit, but we will wonder what the f**k you keep talking about Huddersfield's manager for!  ;D
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:37:13 AM
Quote from: mr-villa on May 30, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
Well Lambert coming is not going to get me excited, just MON mark 2 for me.  Another example of RL and PF not getting their man i'm afraid.  Nothing vibrant there and not that young either.  Lambert plays a fair bit of direct football too.  As for Grant Holt, if that is the best Lambert can come up with then he needn't bother coming.  We have just got rid of one 30+ striker we dont want or need another thanks.  Don't forget his team were one of the few we managed to beat last season, the late goal from Holt flattered them that day at VP.

Oh dear another opportunity missed can't see his appointment making any difference to crowds next season either.  I hope he comes for talks and decides its not for him I really do.


so has Lambert publicly said Holt is going to be my first signing , is he manager of Villa already .
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Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2012, 12:39:45 AM
Paul Lambert could be  a great manager for us.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:45:18 AM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 31, 2012, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.



I think it's a very different set of circumstances to that with Hughes.

It is indeed. Hughes walked on the arrogant assumption of getting the job without any encouragement and then wanted to bring his entourage. Lambert may well for all we know have already had discussions, and our board may have stepped into the 21st century and made sure he is their man long before making the approach.
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.

TSM also resigned, never stopped us signing him. (and having to pay compensation).


Quote from: Billy Walker on May 31, 2012, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.



I think it's a very different set of circumstances to that with Hughes.


Fair enough. 

Wouldn't mind PL as manager, and he certainly has nailed his colours by resigning.  However I'm still holding on for a hero from secret negotiations!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.

TSM also resigned, never stopped us signing him. (and having to pay compensation).


Quote from: Billy Walker on May 31, 2012, 12:36:26 AM
Quote from: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 12:34:02 AM
If Lambert's resigned before Randy has decided / announced he wants him?
Been here before.
But he has been top of the betting for a week, at least. So maybe a stronger position than Mark Hughes.



I think it's a very different set of circumstances to that with Hughes.


Fair enough. 

Wouldn't mind PL as manager, and he certainly has nailed his colours by resigning.  However I'm still holding on for a hero from secret negotiations!

You're Bonnie Tyler and I claim my £5.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: Hopadop on May 30, 2012, 10:09:37 PM
I've just realised, he'd be our first manager younger than me.

On that basis, he can fuck right off.


Well we wasnt going to get Craig Brown
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2012, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: garyellis on May 31, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 31, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
I'll take Lambert. He looks like the type of nasty bastard that gets players playing.
Can't believe some of the posts on here and VT I have always had a soft spot for Norwich and hope they continue to do well in the Premiership. But come on, to compare them with Villa is an absolute joke we are a very special football club (I remember vividly our 3rd division days) and always will be. This club has the potential as we have seen recently to strike at the top four we must not allow the Villa to slip any further behind than we have since the summer of 2010. I found it easy to predict that the previous manager would leave at the end of the season, it was a no brainer. I have struggled to predict or have a favourite for his successor. However, PL has an impressive CV and if the Board believe that this can benefit us I would back his appointment all the way. What will impress me is that he has the vision and the balls to take the job I want him to become our modern day Ron Saunders and get this club back on track. I'm sure there is an historical link there but Dave will remember that better than me.
 

Ron Saunders used to manage Norwich before Villa. Dion Dublin, Andy Townsend and Chris Sutton all used to play for them. They've got a great old ground, terrific support and Delia is a legend.
The only bad thing I can say about them is their doubling over us in '92/'93 cost us the title as much as those 100 minutes of injury time at Old Trafford.

On page 500 of this thread a new Villa leader will be born. Hallelujah!
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Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2012, 12:53:29 AM
Henry Winter ‏@henrywinter
Quote
Paul Lambert is tactically smart & a mix of charming & scary. He can inspire people & instill discipline. He's just what #avfc need
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 12:55:29 AM
Quote from: æmonn on May 31, 2012, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: garyellis on May 31, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 31, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
I'll take Lambert. He looks like the type of nasty bastard that gets players playing.
Can't believe some of the posts on here and VT I have always had a soft spot for Norwich and hope they continue to do well in the Premiership. But come on, to compare them with Villa is an absolute joke we are a very special football club (I remember vividly our 3rd division days) and always will be. This club has the potential as we have seen recently to strike at the top four we must not allow the Villa to slip any further behind than we have since the summer of 2010. I found it easy to predict that the previous manager would leave at the end of the season, it was a no brainer. I have struggled to predict or have a favourite for his successor. However, PL has an impressive CV and if the Board believe that this can benefit us I would back his appointment all the way. What will impress me is that he has the vision and the balls to take the job I want him to become our modern day Ron Saunders and get this club back on track. I'm sure there is an historical link there but Dave will remember that better than me.
 

Ron Saunders used to manage Norwich before Villa. Dion Dublin, Andy Townsend and Chris Sutton all used to play for them. They've got a great old ground, terrific support and Delia is a legend.
The only bad thing I can say about them is their doubling over us in '92/'93 cost us the title as much as those 100 minutes of injury time at Old Trafford.

On page 500 of this thread a new Villa leader will be born. Hallelujah!

And they supplied Steve Bruce, who scored silly goals for united to deny us too.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 12:59:26 AM
And Ugo didn't make his debut against them.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 31, 2012, 01:06:13 AM
Holy crap!

Go to pub for a few beers and it all kicks off, just caught up.

Rodgers to Lplop, Martinez to stay Whelans bitch, and Lambert to Villa!
*Cigar lit* I love it when a plan comes together.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2012, 01:06:28 AM
Hmm, John Fashanu also started there, so maybe not all good. (Aside - I watched on youtube the other day a very interesting and sad BBC docu on his brother from when he died).
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Post by: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
What happened to Martinez as a possible?

Dave Whelan will be incandescent.  I'm so looking forward to it.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:20:04 AM
Im really happy with PL , he will sort us out . ;)
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 01:26:01 AM
Norwich fans are not happy. I hope he is able to bring Ian Culverhouse with him as number 2, he seems to be very well respected on the tactical and coaching side by their fans, and that he is given a decent wedge. I think to stand a cat in hells chance of moving us back into the top 10, he needs a minimum of 25 million plus sales.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:26:45 AM
Culverhouse righthand man .  top coach



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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:29:00 AM
Gary Karsa  head of Football operations at Norwich . I bet we get him too
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:29:00 AM
Gary Karsa  head of Football operations at Norwich . I bet we get him too

I bet we don't.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2012, 01:37:50 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 01:26:01 AM
Norwich fans are not happy. I hope he is able to bring Ian Culverhouse with him as number 2, he seems to be very well respected on the tactical and coaching side by their fans, and that he is given a decent wedge. I think to stand a cat in hells chance of moving us back into the top 10, he needs a minimum of 25 million plus sales.

Can canaries tweet in Norfolk?

Seriously though, in what forum are you reading their views?
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2012, 01:42:40 AM
Where's that brick-wall emoticon?

Quote
Yes we got the singing bit Rich, loud and clear, however if I was PL I would have been less than impressed with the slagging off of a friend and fellow Scott, who never stood a chance from the off with the small minded Villa supporters because of the Birmingham link. F***ed if I would want to manage you with a crowd like that. Loose 3 on the bounce, another Scott gets roasted.

Seriously though, I wonder if the chants from the Villa fans towards him has played on his mind much over the last couple of weeks.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2012, 01:44:30 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:26:45 AM
Culverhouse righthand man .  top coach

Don't arrive without him.
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Post by: TheSandman on May 31, 2012, 01:48:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:29:00 AM
Gary Karsa  head of Football operations at Norwich . I bet we get him too

I bet we don't.

I hope we do. With both McLeish and Houllier for various reasons we didn't get the full management team missing out on Houllier's long term assistant (whose name I cannot recall) and Andy Watson. PL brought Karsa over from Colchester so obviously he thinks highly of him within his team. Same with Culverhouse.

Quote from: æmonn on May 31, 2012, 01:42:40 AM
Where's that brick-wall emoticon?

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Yes we got the singing bit Rich, loud and clear, however if I was PL I would have been less than impressed with the slagging off of a friend and fellow Scott, who never stood a chance from the off with the small minded Villa supporters because of the Birmingham link. F***ed if I would want to manage you with a crowd like that. Loose 3 on the bounce, another Scott gets roasted.

Seriously though, I wonder if the chants from the Villa fans towards him has played on his mind much over the last couple of weeks.

Both Lambert and TSM are actually named Scott? You learn something new every day.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 31, 2012, 02:27:57 AM
Lambert now 1/10 on skybet. Ole down to 12/1. Strange days. maybe they will team up?
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Post by: DeKuip on May 31, 2012, 02:38:37 AM
Last games of last season:
Swansea beat Liverpool
Norwich beat Us
That'll teach the little upstarts.

Wenger for the Albion then!
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Post by: VancouverLion on May 31, 2012, 02:56:05 AM
Paul Lambert will do a fantastic job, he's the one I wanted all along, I just didn't think we could.
Sign him up tomorrow Randy and let the good times roll!! I'm well happy with this!

UTV!
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Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 04:51:28 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 30, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
they have a phenomenal history that completely overshadows ours...

Not completely mate, not completely.
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Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 05:07:51 AM
Quote from: sonlyme on May 30, 2012, 10:11:24 PM
Thanks for that link

this...

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But the path to appoint the Norwich boss was undoubtedly made easier after Villa made it clear, as outlined in Sportsmail yesterday, that Martinez had lost ground in  the race when he was interviewed by Liverpool owner John W Henry last week.

What sort of BS is this?  The man is in demand because he coaches football - not longball - that Liverpool wanted him should be a plus in my book - but I have the awful feeling that Faulkner/Lerner haven't even invited him for an Ole style 'chat' - and old uncle Dave is railroading the kid with his pronouncements.

In my book its great, because Martinez is one of THE most overrated managers I've ever seen. His teams are shit, and I don't care how ace Wigan looked for the last 2 months of the season, it's the preceding 7 months that concern me. If he's elected to stay at Wigan over the Liverpool and Villa jobs, then it's confirmed everything I've ever believed about him; unambitious and shit.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).
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Post by: oldtimernow on May 31, 2012, 05:38:40 AM
Well the last  Norwich manager who later joined the Villa turned out to be a goodun if I remember correctly and a lot were'nt overwhelmed by his appointment.
Does strike me a bit of a MONlite at times though.(photogenically that is)
 
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:57:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

He looks rather foolish after bigging up Martinez only to have him rejected by two clubs in a few days. But you are right, maybe his aim all along was to shine a light on ay approach to try and make Martinez leaving uncomfortable.

In which case, I suppose you are right, he has kept his man. if I was Martinez I would not be happy with Whelan at all though.
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Post by: OzVilla on May 31, 2012, 06:00:00 AM
Lambert was my No 1 choice all along throughout the OGS hysteria.

Sides play good football, good experience in his playing career of different styles, a winner.

He'll be good for us I reckon.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on May 31, 2012, 06:10:39 AM
Can I pretend Lambert was my number one choice all along?
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Post by: lovejoy on May 31, 2012, 06:21:56 AM
If him being like MON means we have wembley visits and top6 finishes - I'll take that over the last two seasons.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 06:56:11 AM
Rather disparaging remarks from BBC Sport

'Villa are not the enticing proposition they once were, and Norwich are no 'country cousins' by comparison - Carrow Road's 22,000 season tickets last season matched that sold at Villa Park. '
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 07:02:54 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 06:56:11 AM
Rather disparaging remarks from BBC Sport

'Villa are not the enticing proposition they once were, and Norwich are no 'country cousins' by comparison - Carrow Road's 22,000 season tickets last season matched that sold at Villa Park. '

Yeah, but the beeb are comparing Norwich's peak (their first season in the EPL in ages) with our trough (worst season anyone can remember...blah blah).
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Post by: OzVilla on May 31, 2012, 07:03:59 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 06:56:11 AM
Rather disparaging remarks from BBC Sport

'Villa are not the enticing proposition they once were, and Norwich are no 'country cousins' by comparison - Carrow Road's 22,000 season tickets last season matched that sold at Villa Park. '

If the writer had just thought for one second he'd realise that for any Manager this is the perfect time to be joining us - our expectation level has probably never been this low.

Our youth set up is excellent and we've plenty of promising young players meaning he'll have the backbomne of the squad long term, money to spend (hopefully) and full support from the support base (in comparison to the last 2 managerial appointments). 

And regardless of season ticket sales, we'll always be a bigger Club the Norwich City FFS!  Norwich in the top flight for the first time in ages, small stadium etc so that's no surprise really.

You wonder how such writers hold down their jobs such is their ignorance and short sightedness.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 07:31:00 AM
Reasonably happy with Lambert. Would have preferred Rodgers but thought Lambert was less of a risk because his playing style would suit our existing players better, and if we're skint, like it or not we have to get something from them. Hopefully he'll bring some stability to the club after two seasons of turmoil. More importantly, I hope Lerner backs him with money, so he doesn't start off on the back foot because as it stands we have a very poor team IMO
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Pat Murphy in thinly veiled dig at Aston Villa shock.

The picture of him on the article author bit is a shocker. Maybe someone else is not a fan too.
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Post by: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 07:34:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Pat Murphy in thinly veiled dig at Aston Villa shock.

The picture of him on the article author bit is a shocker. Maybe someone else is not a fan too.

Can't stand the pompous twat.
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Post by: KRS on May 31, 2012, 07:39:57 AM
Lambert and Villa, and Rodgers and Liverpool actually suit both clubs very well.

I prefer Rodgers as a manager but he is more suited to Liverpool than Villa with the players at his disposal...similarly I think Lambert will do a better job at Villa than Rodgers would have been able to do for the same reasons.

It would have taken a long time and transfer activity for Rodgers to get his playing style working here, and I feel Lambert will be able to adjust and use the playing resources and funds at his disposal more effectively in the short term. It wont take long for Rodgers to get Liverpool playing the way he wants them to, and I believe theres more chance of Lambert putting us back in the top 10 than Rodgers would have done next season.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
Wasn't Bent the one convinced it would be Lambert? If so then he can't be unhappy with the appointment. I hope we find a young target man though and not Holt.
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Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:57:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

He looks rather foolish after bigging up Martinez only to have him rejected by two clubs in a few days. But you are right, maybe his aim all along was to shine a light on ay approach to try and make Martinez leaving uncomfortable.

In which case, I suppose you are right, he has kept his man. if I was Martinez I would not be happy with Whelan at all though.

Oh no, after all his yap, he's been able to keep hold of a mediocre manager? I don't think Martinez was ever going anywhere. If neither Villa nor Liverpool are big enough for a manager that can only achieve relegation battles then who is?

Tell you what, Whelan has done a great job of convincing people he has a saleable asset. In reality he hasn't, but there's always a few that think its a goer. Thank god our board aren't the idiots a few on here make them out to be.

Watch them bloody well appoint him now.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 07:51:54 AM
I like the fact Lambert took his coaching badges in Germany. I reckon we will win the FA cup in a penalty shoot-out next season.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Pat Murphy in thinly veiled dig at Aston Villa shock.

Not the first time that Prat has had a dig.

At least we no longer get those badly researched articles from him in The Post.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 07:51:54 AM
I like the fact Lambert took his coaching badges in Germany. I reckon we will win the FA cup in a penalty shoot-out next season.


That is my saving grace fro him, that he takes a lot of his inspiration from Germany and Hitzfeld. Hopefully he will be much more adaptable than MON. His transfer dealings almost all UK based I think, so that aspect I hope he expands on a little bit too, because even if given 30 million this summer, he needs to be very creative with every penny.
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Post by: avfcpg on May 31, 2012, 08:03:56 AM
Lambert was my first choice so very happy if it happens...plus it's pissed the Norwich fans off no end which is even better. A season in the Prem and all of a sudden they think they are some massive force and just as big a club as we are.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 31, 2012, 08:08:43 AM
I like how this is announced in the media - both radio 1 & 5 news state that since Whelan has announced Martinez is staying at Wigan, Lambert has become favourite to be Villa boss.

How is it that that round faced northern cock is omnipresent in our managerial searches. My one wish for the Villa next year (after winning the league/FA Cup double) is that we send Wigan down on the last day of the season.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 08:10:11 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 31, 2012, 08:08:43 AM
I like how this is announced in the media - both radio 1 & 5 news state that since Whelan has announced Martinez is staying at Wigan, Lambert has become favourite to be Villa boss.

How is it that that round faced northern cock is omnipresent in our managerial searches. My one wish for the Villa next year (after winning the league/FA Cup double) is that we send Wigan down on the last day of the season.


Yep. Dream fixture list is them, at VP final day, singing Cherio and fuck off Whelan songs. Total shit bag.
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 31, 2012, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 31, 2012, 06:21:56 AM
If him being like MON means we have wembley visits and top6 finishes - I'll take that over the last two seasons.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll be making £20 million plus net outlays each summer and (fortunately) won't be maxing out on player wages. I doubt mon would take us to top 6 finishes with the current squad and strategy. Let's see how he does with Sunderland
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 08:12:40 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 07:51:54 AM
I like the fact Lambert took his coaching badges in Germany. I reckon we will win the FA cup in a penalty shoot-out next season.
Yes I like that as well. Hes very much his own man as the playing staff will find out if he is appointed. Dont take anything for granted though but as it appears that he has resigned his position as manager it looks like he wants to come to us.

Both Martinez and Rodgers promote a decent style of football that is easy on the eye but ive been with Paul Lambert since the day Alex McCleish was dismissed.

We might just have another Ron Saunders in the making if he signs on the line.

and then after all this stress we can forget bloody football and clear off on holiday!
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Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 08:17:41 AM
SSN say they have contacted Norwich for confirmation Lambert has resigned and are waiting on a reply. Probably have to wait for Delia to get into her office at carrow Road and check the fax machine.

The last guy to get Norwich promoted and end up at Villa was Ron Saunders. No pressure Paul.
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 31, 2012, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 31, 2012, 12:50:49 AM

You're Bonnie Tyler and I claim my £5.

What loud, annoying and likes to chase schoolboys about and calling them brighteyes.
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Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 08:20:42 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 31, 2012, 08:08:43 AM
I like how this is announced in the media - both radio 1 & 5 news state that since Whelan has announced Martinez is staying at Wigan, Lambert has become favourite to be Villa boss.

How is it that that round faced northern cock is omnipresent in our managerial searches. My one wish for the Villa next year (after winning the league/FA Cup double) is that we send Wigan down on the last day of the season.

By a scoreline of about 68-0 as well.

Dave Whelan - self important prick.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

In the same way that I managed to keep a tin of tartan paint I couldnt sell on ebay.
He is a twat. He's trying to mug everybody off that his manager is the very top of the fod chain when the reality is he was on the end of 2 "thanks but no thanks in as many days". And apparently Aston Villa, one of the most successful and largest clubs in the country aren't big enough for him.

Silly old bell end. I'd love the club to come out and put him in his place but they quite rightly won't waste their time with such an unimportant peripheral gobshite like him.
That's the difference with those with class and those without. You dont do your talking through the gutter media.
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Post by: DB on May 31, 2012, 08:24:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2012, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 31, 2012, 06:21:56 AM
If him being like MON means we have wembley visits and top6 finishes - I'll take that over the last two seasons.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll be making £20 million plus net outlays each summer and (fortunately) won't be maxing out on player wages. I doubt mon would take us to top 6 finishes with the current squad and strategy. Let's see how he does with Sunderland

Can someone tell me why he is supposed to be like MON?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 08:27:35 AM
He was at Celtic.

He wears glasses.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
He's not really like MON at all. A very lazy association in my opinion.
There are some obvious connections but that's all they are.
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Post by: Astral Weeks on May 31, 2012, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: Leighton on May 31, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
I'm going to call him Larry. It will probably wear off as soon as you all tell me I'm being a tit.

I'm calling him Lambers. I don't care what the rest of you think.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
he will be our own version of David Moyes, in ten years time people will be saying
 'he's done great at Villa with limited resources, OK they havent won anything , but they have consistantly finished in the top 8 most seasons'

for those who really wanted Moyes, you have just got the younger version
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 08:37:05 AM
PauLLambert

Martin O'NeiLL

Spooky.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 08:42:10 AM
If you want to make MON comparisons you could make some positive ones like they are both winners as players and managers. Both won plenty of caps and medals, including the European Cup and both took small clubs into the Premier League and made them competitive in the Premier League, finishing above bigger clubs.
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Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2012, 08:50:11 AM
I think a bit of revisionist history is going on here. Wasn't too many days ago that 'pubehead' was getting a right old roasting on these pages,and even before PL has been annointed we've got all these comparisons going on. It's like the written equivalent of Pubehead and mini Pubehead's Greatest Hits Volume 1.
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 31, 2012, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
Wasn't Bent the one convinced it would be Lambert? If so then he can't be unhappy with the appointment. I hope we find a young target man though and not Holt.

I wouldn't complain at Bent and Holt upfront next season with 35 goals between them.
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Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 06:56:11 AM
Rather disparaging remarks from BBC Sport

'Villa are not the enticing proposition they once were, and Norwich are no 'country cousins' by comparison - Carrow Road's 22,000 season tickets last season matched that sold at Villa Park. '
So even at their peak they just about managed our lowest point. History shows (even Sky history) that we are amongst the top 5/6 in England.
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Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2012, 08:53:17 AM
Sir Ron came  to us from Norwich via man city.
Can't wait for Paul to step in at VP.
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Post by: Risso on May 31, 2012, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
he will be our own version of David Moyes, in ten years time people will be saying
 'he's done great at Villa with limited resources, OK they havent won anything , but they have consistantly finished in the top 8 most seasons'

for those who really wanted Moyes, you have just got the younger version

I think you're right John.  The club thought they were getting the new Moyes last year apparently, but they actually got the new Barry Fry.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 09:00:06 AM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on May 31, 2012, 08:51:27 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 07:48:20 AM
Wasn't Bent the one convinced it would be Lambert? If so then he can't be unhappy with the appointment. I hope we find a young target man though and not Holt.

I wouldn't complain at Bent and Holt upfront next season with 35 goals between them.
I hope he doesn't bring Holt with him.
31 and i'm convinced he's a (Premier) one season wonder.

I also think that Ruddy is a poor keeper as well.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
The whole MON resemblence thing does grate with me i admit, but i'm hoping there's a bit more depth to him than MON. Certainly he's not a chequebook manager like MON
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: DB on May 31, 2012, 08:24:53 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 31, 2012, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 31, 2012, 06:21:56 AM
If him being like MON means we have wembley visits and top6 finishes - I'll take that over the last two seasons.

Unfortunately I don't think we'll be making £20 million plus net outlays each summer and (fortunately) won't be maxing out on player wages. I doubt mon would take us to top 6 finishes with the current squad and strategy. Let's see how he does with Sunderland

Can someone tell me why he is supposed to be like MON?

I think they were at Celtic together, and MON is a kind of mentor to him in his managerial career, like Neil Lennon.
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Post by: Merv on May 31, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 31, 2012, 07:39:57 AM
Lambert and Villa, and Rodgers and Liverpool actually suit both clubs very well.

I prefer Rodgers as a manager but he is more suited to Liverpool than Villa with the players at his disposal...similarly I think Lambert will do a better job at Villa than Rodgers would have been able to do for the same reasons.

It would have taken a long time and transfer activity for Rodgers to get his playing style working here, and I feel Lambert will be able to adjust and use the playing resources and funds at his disposal more effectively in the short term. It wont take long for Rodgers to get Liverpool playing the way he wants them to, and I believe theres more chance of Lambert putting us back in the top 10 than Rodgers would have done next season.

Really good points there. I think you're right. I also think Lambert has that steely side to him that we need in terms of finally making decisions over the likes of Dunne, Collins and Warnock. Long overdue.

Above all else, what I like about Lambert is that he seems able to work with moderately-talented players and get them playing well, playing above themselves. He can spot a footballer.
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Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2012, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
he will be our own version of David Moyes, in ten years time people will be saying
 'he's done great at Villa with limited resources, OK they havent won anything , but they have consistantly finished in the top 8 most seasons'

for those who really wanted Moyes, you have just got the younger version

I think you're right John.  The club thought they were getting the new Moyes last year apparently, but they actually got the new Barry Fry.


I think it's funny that with all the bile, abuse and insults aimed at AM over the months you seem to have calmly and effortlessly topped the lot.



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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 31, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
Quote from: KRS on May 31, 2012, 07:39:57 AM
Lambert and Villa, and Rodgers and Liverpool actually suit both clubs very well.

I prefer Rodgers as a manager but he is more suited to Liverpool than Villa with the players at his disposal...similarly I think Lambert will do a better job at Villa than Rodgers would have been able to do for the same reasons.

It would have taken a long time and transfer activity for Rodgers to get his playing style working here, and I feel Lambert will be able to adjust and use the playing resources and funds at his disposal more effectively in the short term. It wont take long for Rodgers to get Liverpool playing the way he wants them to, and I believe theres more chance of Lambert putting us back in the top 10 than Rodgers would have done next season.

Really good points there. I think you're right. I also think Lambert has that steely side to him that we need in terms of finally making decisions over the likes of Dunne, Collins and Warnock. Long overdue.

Above all else, what I like about Lambert is that he seems able to work with moderately-talented players and get them playing well, playing above themselves. He can spot a footballer.

I think Lambert is more adaptable and pragmatic than Rodgers. Rodgers is 'pass or die', which wouldn't suit Villa at the moment. As GH found out when he tried to graft on a passing style football to a MON 11.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.


agreed. think its unlikely he will buy Holt though seeing we need players all over the team and the forward line is probably the one area we're okay in.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 31, 2012, 08:50:11 AM
I think a bit of revisionist history is going on here. Wasn't too many days ago that 'pubehead' was getting a right old roasting on these pages,and even before PL has been annointed we've got all these comparisons going on. It's like the written equivalent of Pubehead and mini Pubehead's Greatest Hits Volume 1.

Right, I'm still pissed from last night, but I keep reading and re-reading this and still have no idea what your point is.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 31, 2012, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 31, 2012, 08:50:11 AM
I think a bit of revisionist history is going on here. Wasn't too many days ago that 'pubehead' was getting a right old roasting on these pages,and even before PL has been annointed we've got all these comparisons going on. It's like the written equivalent of Pubehead and mini Pubehead's Greatest Hits Volume 1.

No its the other way round. Up until he left the vast majority on here highly regarded MON, but since he left have tried to paint him as a poor manager. The fact that some are worried that our new manager may be a younger version of MON is laughable, I hope they're right! Perhaps we could change the name of the site to 'we're all Greg Nash now' ;)
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rutski on May 31, 2012, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.


agreed. think its unlikely he will buy Holt though seeing we need players all over the team and the forward line is probably the one area we're okay in.
rumour is that lambert and holt dont get on.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2012, 09:12:26 AM
From what I've seen of Lambert's Norwich side, they can pass it or play it long, and do both quite effectively.  I like a manager that can vary tactics and style, based on what is most likely to win a game, and that's one of the reason I'm in favour of Lambert.

With a striker like Bent, playing long as he did to Holt won't work, so I think we'll see more short passing to get us into the final third.  I also don't see him signing Holt, but wouldn't object to Pilkington. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
we are 2nd favourite to sign Grant Holt at 7/4    behind errrr   Sunderland who are 5/4



but they are not similar any any way, obviously
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.


agreed. think its unlikely he will buy Holt though seeing we need players all over the team and the forward line is probably the one area we're okay in.

Wouldn't say we are OK up front. Paper thin when DB got injured last season Gabby , Weimann and The Fonz!!), plus we've lost Heskey - for what he was worth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
The whole MON resemblence thing does grate with me i admit, but i'm hoping there's a bit more depth to him than MON. Certainly he's not a chequebook manager like MON

From the article posted in the Guardian he also appears to regularly rotate his formation according to the opposition and sometimes during a match.  That's certainly nothing like MON.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Merv on May 31, 2012, 09:15:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.

I mentioned this a week or so ago, but I read a really good piece on Lambert last season, where it highlighted how he'd out-thought Rodgers tactically as Norwich beat Swansea. Don't get me wrong, I like Rodgers too and would have loved to see him at VP, but Lambert's on a par at least.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:17:31 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
The whole MON resemblence thing does grate with me i admit, but i'm hoping there's a bit more depth to him than MON. Certainly he's not a chequebook manager like MON

From the article posted in the Guardian he also appears to regularly rotate his formation according to the opposition and sometimes during a match.  That's certainly nothing like MON.

There's a journalist who appears on TalkSPORT who's a NCFC fan (Mick Dennis), and he said that PL changed his system 5 times in one game last season. I dont think MON changed his system 5 times in  his whole 4 years at VP.
He's played in Germany, where that kind of thing is the norm. It's just whether some dopey British players can get their heads round it.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
I think the Rodgers appointment at Liverpool will end up as a disaster.

And how we'll laugh.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 09:18:49 AM
Well I've voted 'yes' to Lambert.  Randy, you have my permission.  And if this one falls through I'm going to be fucking pissed off!!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.


agreed. think its unlikely he will buy Holt though seeing we need players all over the team and the forward line is probably the one area we're okay in.

Wouldn't say we are OK up front. Paper thin when DB got injured last season Gabby , Weimann and The Fonz!!), plus we've lost Heskey - for what he was worth.

well OK is relative i guess. Up front we have two proven performers and a good kid. Elsewhere we haven't even got a decent first team choice. Ideally i'd like someone else in, but i'm not sure if the budget will stretch.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
I think the Rodgers appointment at Liverpool will end up as a disaster.

And how we'll laugh.


Yeah I agree.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 09:22:17 AM
I think Rodgers will work, I think Lambert will work if it happens.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 31, 2012, 09:23:05 AM
We've got Weimann as well remember, but I do think we need one more striker.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:25:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 31, 2012, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
I've said it before I've seen Norwich play some decent stuff and pass the ball around, I'm convinced Lambert is not a complete long ball merchant. I'd be happy to have him appointed, but please don't bring Holt. Too old, too expensive and almost certainly a one season wonder.


agreed. think its unlikely he will buy Holt though seeing we need players all over the team and the forward line is probably the one area we're okay in.

Wouldn't say we are OK up front. Paper thin when DB got injured last season Gabby , Weimann and The Fonz!!), plus we've lost Heskey - for what he was worth.

well OK is relative i guess. Up front we have two proven performers and a good kid. Elsewhere we haven't even got a decent first team choice. Ideally i'd like someone else in, but i'm not sure if the budget will stretch.

Agreed - Up front is out least worst position!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 09:22:17 AM
I think Rodgers will work, I think Lambert will work if it happens.

Liverpool is a MASSIVE job for a 39 year old manager. Depends if he's got the self belief and time to get it right. Couple be a really good appointment. Gutted we didnt get him. Think AV would have been a better career move for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 09:22:17 AM
I think Rodgers will work, I think Lambert will work if it happens.

Well, here's hoping Lambert works better than Rogers.  If it happens.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Boz on May 31, 2012, 09:28:19 AM
Personally I prefer Poyet, but I'd sooner have Lambert over Rodgers.

Seems Martinez is now out of the running, but by whose choice?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 31, 2012, 09:28:51 AM
Lambert now 1/14..Ole out to 33-1 ..was ahead of myself taking 16-1 there. oh well had a small punt on Lambert at 7-2. Covered Ole bet but not by much. Lambert it is then?? He'll do but would have preferred Ole! Life, and let's get on with it. UTV!! AV is more important than any one man!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
I think the Rodgers appointment at Liverpool will end up as a disaster.

And how we'll laugh.


Yeah I agree.


disagree,  its not all about how big the name is anymore, its how you play the game and is it suited to the club,

 as someone said earlier Rodgers is a 'pass or die' manager, that will suit Liverpool, i cant stand them as a club but thats the football they have been brought up on and appreciate

i would have been more than happy to have seen them stick with KKK, he was old school and only going to struggle, with this appointment they have gone for someone who actually knows what he is doing on the pitch, and i think he will be very successfull there, unfortunately
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on May 31, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
I think the Fonz needs to go as he hasnt made the grade so far and wont IMO. That leaves us wit Bent, Gabby (who could get back to his best under PL) and Weimann. So we do need another striker, but other positions do take priority.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
If he's a failure we'll be looking for a new manager in a few years.  If he's a success we'll be looking for a new manager in a few years.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Le Lapin on May 31, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
Although there is the whiff of the MON's off him I think he'll be a good manager, he strikes me as a guy that doesn't tolerate bullshit, something that will work with some of our current players and alienate a few others. But that could be a good thing. Get rid of the guys that are too settled and bring in players that want to play. If he can maintain the good work that McLeish has done with motivating Stephen Ireland and we play to Gabbys strengths I think we will have a good season. We have some really good players on our books, they just have been  through some bad management.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: Bren'd on May 31, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
If he's a failure we'll be looking for a new manager in a few years.  If he's a success we'll be looking for a new manager in a few years.

Well at least if he's a success we can go back to dreaming about Hiddink and Guardiola when he leaves.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 31, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
Lambert looks like to me he takes no bullshit, let's see how much Gabby sulks on the pitch when he's the gaffer
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mazrimsbruv on May 31, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
Quote from: TheSandman on May 31, 2012, 01:48:57 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 01:29:00 AM
Gary Karsa  head of Football operations at Norwich . I bet we get him too

I bet we don't.

I hope we do. With both McLeish and Houllier for various reasons we didn't get the full management team missing out on Houllier's long term assistant (whose name I cannot recall) and Andy Watson. PL brought Karsa over from Colchester so obviously he thinks highly of him within his team. Same with Culverhouse.

Quote from: æmonn on May 31, 2012, 01:42:40 AM
Where's that brick-wall emoticon?

Quote
Yes we got the singing bit Rich, loud and clear, however if I was PL I would have been less than impressed with the slagging off of a friend and fellow Scott, who never stood a chance from the off with the small minded Villa supporters because of the Birmingham link. F***ed if I would want to manage you with a crowd like that. Loose 3 on the bounce, another Scott gets roasted.

Seriously though, I wonder if the chants from the Villa fans towards him has played on his mind much over the last couple of weeks.

Both Lambert and TSM are actually named Scott? You learn something new every day.

I know that our previous 'Scott' knew a thing or two about how to lose a game but how does one loose a game? Buggered if I know.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 09:45:19 AM
Do people really believe we have a good squad as a foundation for a new manager to build on? I'd say we need at least another center half, another 2 decent full backs, a completely new midfield, and a striker. And that's just to make sure we are floating somewhere near mid table.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: ROBBO on May 31, 2012, 09:45:59 AM
I don't think Ron Saunders worried whether he was liked by the players or not, he was the boss and not to be messed with. Lambert strikes me as someone who's in the same mould and will not tolerate the goings on some of our players got up to. Glad it's not Martinez, he could possibly have missed out on the biggest job he'll ever get.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

In the same way that I managed to keep a tin of tartan paint I couldnt sell on ebay.
He is a twat. He's trying to mug everybody off that his manager is the very top of the fod chain when the reality is he was on the end of 2 "thanks but no thanks in as many days". And apparently Aston Villa, one of the most successful and largest clubs in the country aren't big enough for him.

Silly old bell end. I'd love the club to come out and put him in his place but they quite rightly won't waste their time with such an unimportant peripheral gobshite like him.
That's the difference with those with class and those without. You dont do your talking through the gutter media.


It surely can't be long now until Martinez is unveiled as either Barcelona or Spain manager.   Or both, such is his skill and ability.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 31, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

In the same way that I managed to keep a tin of tartan paint I couldnt sell on ebay.
He is a twat. He's trying to mug everybody off that his manager is the very top of the fod chain when the reality is he was on the end of 2 "thanks but no thanks in as many days". And apparently Aston Villa, one of the most successful and largest clubs in the country aren't big enough for him.

Silly old bell end. I'd love the club to come out and put him in his place but they quite rightly won't waste their time with such an unimportant peripheral gobshite like him.
That's the difference with those with class and those without. You dont do your talking through the gutter media.


It surely can't be long now until Martinez is unveiled as either Barcelona or Spain manager.   Or both, such is his skill and ability.

Brazil. Innit.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: maigrait on May 31, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
I think the Rodgers appointment at Liverpool will end up as a disaster.

And how we'll laugh.


Yeah I agree.


disagree,  its not all about how big the name is anymore, its how you play the game and is it suited to the club,

 as someone said earlier Rodgers is a 'pass or die' manager, that will suit Liverpool, i cant stand them as a club but thats the football they have been brought up on and appreciate

i would have been more than happy to have seen them stick with KKK, he was old school and only going to struggle, with this appointment they have gone for someone who actually knows what he is doing on the pitch, and i think he will be very successfull there, unfortunately

Out with a couple of Liverpool chaps on Tuesday night for a few beverages. Gutted that KKK is gone and think Martinez/Rodgers/any one that isn't KKK is going to be a rubbish appointment. I tried to argue that KKK was complete tosh but they just couldn't see it. I would say the new fella is going to have an uphill struggle to start off with... Strange bunch Liverpool fans.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 31, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 31, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 31, 2012, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 31, 2012, 05:48:15 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 31, 2012, 05:12:04 AM
Happy enough with lambert.

Makes it more delicious Norwich (who had to pay compensation for stealing him from Colchester) are pissed off about it.

Doubly better that we rejected Martinez and Whelan is left looking like a twat (is it wrong I want to see them relegated next season?).

I don't like him either, but how is he a twat? Looks to me like he managed (in his own way) to keep his key employee for another season.

In the same way that I managed to keep a tin of tartan paint I couldnt sell on ebay.
He is a twat. He's trying to mug everybody off that his manager is the very top of the fod chain when the reality is he was on the end of 2 "thanks but no thanks in as many days". And apparently Aston Villa, one of the most successful and largest clubs in the country aren't big enough for him.

Silly old bell end. I'd love the club to come out and put him in his place but they quite rightly won't waste their time with such an unimportant peripheral gobshite like him.
That's the difference with those with class and those without. You dont do your talking through the gutter media.


It surely can't be long now until Martinez is unveiled as either Barcelona or Spain manager.   Or both, such is his skill and ability.

Brazil. Innit.

He's been drafted in by the ECB to sort out the Euro.

After he's quelled the trouble in Syria, sorted a little business in Afghanistan and reformed the Smiths.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:03:43 AM
Quote from: maigrait on May 31, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 09:29:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Quote from: RIP VAN ROEDER on May 31, 2012, 09:18:33 AM
I think the Rodgers appointment at Liverpool will end up as a disaster.

And how we'll laugh.


Yeah I agree.


disagree,  its not all about how big the name is anymore, its how you play the game and is it suited to the club,

 as someone said earlier Rodgers is a 'pass or die' manager, that will suit Liverpool, i cant stand them as a club but thats the football they have been brought up on and appreciate

i would have been more than happy to have seen them stick with KKK, he was old school and only going to struggle, with this appointment they have gone for someone who actually knows what he is doing on the pitch, and i think he will be very successfull there, unfortunately

Out with a couple of Liverpool chaps on Tuesday night for a few beverages. Gutted that KKK is gone and think Martinez/Rodgers/any one that isn't KKK is going to be a rubbish appointment. I tried to argue that KKK was complete tosh but they just couldn't see it. I would say the new fella is going to have an uphill struggle to start off with... Strange bunch Liverpool fans.


true, they dont want him, which will be his biggest problem,
 but they like us have had a succession of managers who have not worked, at least they havent got any nagging doubts over his style of play, just whether he's up to the job or not
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

It's quoted on sky sports. Something along the lines of 'Villa are a fantastic club with fantastic fans, but they are not a big enough club for Martinez.'
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: claretandblue barmy on May 31, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
He (Whelan) should be in some sort of home for the bewildered !
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

He said it yesterday. Still think he's ace?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 31, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
Martinez's stock will never be as high. I think Wigan will go down this season. Having said that I also think Norwich will if PL comes to us. I hope we said no to Martinez and DW is trying to save face.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Summers on May 31, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
Lambo was my first choice. Hope we sort it soon.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: maigrait on May 31, 2012, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 31, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
Martinez's stock will never be as high. I think Wigan will go down this season. Having said that I also think Norwich will if PL comes to us. I hope we said no to Martinez and DW is trying to save face.

I think you are right... I think martinez has made a mistake to move away from his 'dad' whelan. I would have gladly accepted the fella at VP but its a case of 'next please'...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Le Lapin on May 31, 2012, 10:10:13 AM
The way Whelan talks about Martinez is that the only team other than Wigan that he could manage would be a "Greatest Ever Players Living or Dead XI". What a plonker. I hope the penny drops with Martinez too.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

It's quoted on sky sports. Something along the lines of 'Villa are a fantastic club with fantastic fans, but they are not a big enough club for Martinez.'

fair enough, just hadnt seen it, he spins a good old line does Whelan
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

He said it yesterday. Still think he's ace?


yep,  he's kept his man against all the odds,
 he dont care what people like you and me think of him and his club, he batts for them, i like that.
i might not like what he says, but he's got no loyalty for me or my club,

you might like the Mcleish way of bigging up other clubs, i dont , i'd rather someone who just cares for his own club and dont give a toss about what anybody else thinks, like Whelan
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Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2012, 10:15:57 AM
Without Lambert and Rodgers, Norwich and Swansea will have poorer seasons and could well go down.  That, combineed with the unlikelihood of all the promoted teams staying up again, will probably save Wigan and rob us of a 10/11 style end of season giggles.
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

It's quoted on sky sports. Something along the lines of 'Villa are a fantastic club with fantastic fans, but they are not a big enough club for Martinez.'

fair enough, just hadnt seen it, he spins a good old line does Whelan

Seems like he's got Martinez believing that its Wigan this year and Real Madrid next year. He's kept his man anyway, so he cant be that stupid.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2012, 10:26:30 AM
sportinglife.com

Paul Lambert's representatives are to meet with Aston Villa today as the Norwich manager looks set to switch to their Premier League rivals.

Lambert has emerged as the leading target for the Villa Park vacancy and Sky Sports revealed on Wednesday that the Midlands side were ready to make an official approach.

It is understood that the highly-regarded Scottish boss had a row with the Canaries board on Wednesday night, which could hasten his departure for Villa.

The Villans have been searching for a new manager following their decision to axe Alex McLeish earlier this month after just one unhappy season at the helm.

Lambert has earned plaudits throughout the game for his achievements with the Canaries as he guided the Carrow Road club to back-to-back promotions before enjoying an impressive first season in the Premier League.

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and Roberto Martinez were earlier in the frame for the Villa job, with the former Manchester United striker opting to stay with Molde, while Wigan's Martinez is due to remain at the DW Stadium despite also being linked with Liverpool.

Villa chairman Randy Lerner stated when McLeish was axed that he was looking to bring in a "new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations".

And it appears that Lambert fits the bill, despite the Canaries previously vowing they would fight to retain his services and the former Colchester, Wycombe and Livingston boss stating recently he was happy in his current post.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

He said it yesterday. Still think he's ace?


yep,  he's kept his man against all the odds,
 he dont care what people like you and me think of him and his club, he batts for them, i like that.
i might not like what he says, but he's got no loyalty for me or my club,

you might like the Mcleish way of bigging up other clubs, i dont , i'd rather someone who just cares for his own club and dont give a toss about what anybody else thinks, like Whelan

I dont like McLeish's way of doing anything to be honest.

But regarding Whelan, if only there was some way he could stick up for his club without having a dig at others or spinning a load of bullshit to make him seem more impressive.
I dont see anything admirable in that. He's a bullshitting, delusional, self-publicising fantasist prick.
Even Lord Cackbeard: Bastard of the skies has more integrity than Whelan.

By the way, he "kept his man" because his man wasn't wanted. Not much of an accomplishment. He'll certainly say it is though.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on May 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Had to turn talk sport off this morning...

Are villa really a bigger club than Norwich

Villa only have 20,000 attendance

Mcleish did a good job and kept us up

Villa fans fickle cos last year when McLeish was appointed we moaned and are still moaning 12 months on...

Villa is a fallen club in turmoil

Either we are deluded about the club or media just hate us! 
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Post by: Merv on May 31, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
The way I see it, Whelan is doing Martinez's career some serious damage. But there you go. In conclusion, Liverpool discussed the manager's job with Martinez, decided against making him an offer; Villa, as far as I can tell, and going by everything I have read, didn't even approach Martinez.

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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 31, 2012, 11:02:05 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 31, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
The way I see it, Whelan is doing Martinez's career some serious damage. But there you go. In conclusion, Liverpool discussed the manager's job with Martinez, decided against making him an offer; Villa, as far as I can tell, and going by everything I have read, didn't even approach Martinez.

It actually bemuses me why Whelan has to even mention us in any context with Martinez staying.  Is he sure we approached Martinez, it's all been media speculation hasn't it? Maybe he's getting confused with us and Liverpool.

Even if he genuinely and incorrectly believes we are not a big enough club for Martinez  I find it unprofessional, disrespectful and ungentlemanly he didn't include "With all due respect to Aston Villa....." 

That he didn't says all you need to know about Whelan.
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Post by: mr woo on May 31, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Very pleased with the last 24hrs turn of events, hope and expect Lambert to reach an agreement with our lot pretty quickly. IMO he has been the stand out candidate from day one and exactly what we need. If there is a downside, it may suggest things are still a little tight on the spending front for next season again. Having said that, even with pennies to spend, I'd expect an improvement in results and performance. Withou jumping the gun, the board deserve praise for getting their man.

I doubt there's a market for us finishing above Liverpool next season but I reckon it'd be worth a tenner of anyones money.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
Why does it suggest there is little money to spend?
I actually think there is a decent kitty. Lambert is obviously quite desperate to move and though Norwich to Villa is obviously a step up, if he thought he had little to spend could he really be arsed with moving? I doubt it.
He will be backed. Apart from anything else, he has to be. The club have all but announced that a rebuilding has to take place or at least thats part of what I read into the statement when Mcleish was sent packing. They know its time to invest in the squad.
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Post by: DB on May 31, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Had to turn talk sport off this morning...

Are villa really a bigger club than Norwich

Villa only have 20,000 attendance

Mcleish did a good job and kept us up

Villa fans fickle cos last year when McLeish was appointed we moaned and are still moaning 12 months on...

Villa is a fallen club in turmoil

Either we are deluded about the club or media just hate us! 

I flicked it on the radio to hear the Sports News and then 'Quinny' and that other twat were on, turned off straight away - how people like that are deemed experts and get national radio coverage I'll never know.
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Post by: Merv on May 31, 2012, 11:15:06 AM
I'm sure Lambert will have reasonable funds. More than he'd have at Norwich, anyway, and more than he's ever had at any stage during his managerial career so far. In any case, I think the guy can do a lot with £10-15m.

Whelan and Martinez? It was only a couple of days ago that Whelan commented we hadn't made any approach for Martinez. I really don't know what his latest outburst is about.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
He's probably gutted nobody bit on Martinez, giving him a nice fat compo payout.
The shrivelled old bollock.
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Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 31, 2012, 11:15:06 AM
I'm sure Lambert will have reasonable funds. More than he'd have at Norwich, anyway, and more than he's ever had at any stage during his managerial career so far. In any case, I think the guy can do a lot with £10-15m.

Whelan and Martinez? It was only a couple of days ago that Whelan commented we hadn't made any approach for Martinez. I really don't know what his latest outburst is about.

Average wage at Norwich: About £10,000/week

Average wage at Villa: About £40,000/week

That's the difference.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2012, 11:21:27 AM
I think he'll be given some backing.  £10-15m sounds about right to me.
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Post by: mr woo on May 31, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
Why does it suggest there is little money to spend?
I actually think there is a decent kitty. Lambert is obviously quite desperate to move and though Norwich to Villa is obviously a step up, if he thought he had little to spend could he really be arsed with moving? I doubt it.
He will be backed. Apart from anything else, he has to be. The club have all but announced that a rebuilding has to take place or at least thats part of what I read into the statement when Mcleish was sent packing. They know its time to invest in the squad.

It depends what you class as significant funds I suppose. It depends of course on what dead wood can be shifted and removed from the wage bill, but I see a spend of around 10 to 15 million?

We can never be sure but if we were looking to start throwing money at this project again, it could be argued there would have been managers with a perceived higher profile in the mix. I'm thinking guys like AVB, Benitez, Capello and that type.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
I can see there being a reasonable net spend, ideally if we could sell a Dunne/Collins and or Warnock that'd free up wages and some money as well.
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Post by: philthebar on May 31, 2012, 11:31:35 AM
Can't put my finger on it, but there is something about Lambert I don't like.  Possibly influenced by friends who work at Colchester United who feel that he did the dirty on them.  Most Colchester supporters liked him but he wasn't particularly well liked by a some of the staff bfore he walked (not playing staff).  The good part is that this dislike was down to personality not ability.

If he comes I will back him all the way.
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Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
If the club had gotten to where they want to be wages wise, then the released Heskey, Guzan, Beye & Cuellar gives us scope to spend again.  Probably 4 players of £40k a week average there, although you'd need to factor in Holman as part of that.  So three more with a fees budget of £10-15m would give Lambert some room to move in the market, plus anyone else that is sold.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
I can see there being a reasonable net spend, ideally if we could sell a Dunne/Collins and or Warnock that'd free up wages and some money as well.

Those three all in the last year of their contracts now aren't they? We should be able to move those on if we don't ask too much of a fee, but the squad is already three down on last year (well two actually, Holman in) and absolutely needs investment. I have a hunch that's what it'll get too!
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
I cannot find anything to confirm he has walked out on Norwich.

But if it all goes through I suggest the first thing Paul Lambert does is offer Agbonlahor in a straight swop for Grant Holt.

Then at least we would have a proper centre forward for next season.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 31, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
I cannot find anything to confirm he has walked out on Norwich.

But if it all goes through I suggest the first thing Paul Lambert does is offer Agbonlahor in a straight swop for Grant Holt.

Then at least we would have a proper centre forward for next season.

We might have to pay them some cash ontop.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 10:03:59 AM
So according the Whelan we're not a big enough club for Martinez, that sort of delusion is surely enough to be sectioned.

has he just said that ?

He said it yesterday. Still think he's ace?


yep,  he's kept his man against all the odds,
 he dont care what people like you and me think of him and his club, he batts for them, i like that.
i might not like what he says, but he's got no loyalty for me or my club,

you might like the Mcleish way of bigging up other clubs, i dont , i'd rather someone who just cares for his own club and dont give a toss about what anybody else thinks, like Whelan

I dont like McLeish's way of doing anything to be honest.

But regarding Whelan, if only there was some way he could stick up for his club without having a dig at others or spinning a load of bullshit to make him seem more impressive.
I dont see anything admirable in that. He's a bullshitting, delusional, self-publicising fantasist prick.
Even Lord Cackbeard: Bastard of the skies has more integrity than Whelan.

By the way, he "kept his man" because his man wasn't wanted. Not much of an accomplishment. He'll certainly say it is though.


your probably right in a lot of what you say,
 i just see the chairman of Wigan the smallest piss pot club in the prem, up against giants in the footballing world, batting way way above there level, he's the underdog,

 i always stick up for underdogs its just my natural reaction, even when they act a bit like twats, i still find an excuse,
its just me i cant help it
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
I cannot find anything to confirm he has walked out on Norwich.

But if it all goes through I suggest the first thing Paul Lambert does is offer Agbonlahor in a straight swop for Grant Holt.

Then at least we would have a proper centre forward for next season.


I am not thrilled by Gabby's contribution for the last 6 months, but bollocks to that deal. I repeat Holt has one season wonder written all over him. Norwich rejected a £5 million bid for him in January, so would probably want more, he's fat and he's getting on. He is exactly the sort of player we should be avoiding.
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Post by: QBVILLA on May 31, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
I cannot find anything to confirm he has walked out on Norwich.

But if it all goes through I suggest the first thing Paul Lambert does is offer Agbonlahor in a straight swop for Grant Holt.

Then at least we would have a proper centre forward for next season.


Holt put in a transfer request at the end of the season and according to Norwich fans who rang in to Talksport it was down to the breakdown in relationship between him and Lambert
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 11:53:01 AM
Is Martinez out of the frame yet? - not according to the Guardian:
Quote
Roberto Martínez is still in the running for the manager's position at Aston Villa, despite reports linking Paul Lambert with the vacancy.

Martínez turned down Villa last summer and recently had talks with Liverpool but that will not be held against the Wigan Athletic manager.

Lambert was understood to have had a far from amicable meeting with the Norwich City board on Wednesday night and has now joined his Wigan rival as a frontrunner to take charge at Villa Park.

Both Lambert (42) and Martínez (38) match Villa's criteria of wanting a young and ambitious manager with a proven track record of handling a Premiership club. The successful candidate must also be popular with Villa fans after the unfavourable reception the club's previous manager, Alex McLeish, received on his appointment last June.

Lambert is understood to have been angered by Norwich's refusal to allow him to talk to Villa, with the club having previously promised they would fight to retain his services. The Scot guided Norwich to back-to-back promotions before enjoying an impressive first season in the Premier League.

Randy Lerner, the Villa owner, stated when McLeish was sacked that he was looking to bring in a "new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations".
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Not much in that article though, no quotes or anything...
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
john, it's only you I think that thinks Whelan has to defend his cubs honour or something.
Nobody is attacking Wigan and he's not a popular figure there. They think he's a bigger prick than I do.

I love underdogs and I love characters just like you do, but your admiration is wasted on this nasty, petty, chinese-trainer-wrangling, pound-chasing, decrepit old monkey rectum. He's not defending anything, he's going out of his way to slag other clubs off for no reason other than inflate his ego.
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Post by: philthebar on May 31, 2012, 11:56:48 AM
Would it be wrong to mention Mark Hughes 2011?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: QBVILLA on May 31, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: philthebar on May 31, 2012, 11:56:48 AM
Would it be wrong to mention Mark Hughes 2011?

Yes
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Post by: curiousorange on May 31, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

To me, we've already got a far superior version of Holt in Darren Bent. What Lambert needs to work on (if he ends up here - don't want to tempt fate) is not replacing Agbonlahor but making sure Bent is complimented by him. Norwich have that lad Jackson who is a tricky speedster and he and Holt seem to be able to play together. With A-list versions of those players, Lambert may not need to delve too deeply into replacing strikers.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 11:59:22 AM
I wouldn't rule out Martinez yet, Whelan said that N'Zogbia would go to a bigger club than Villa last summer and we know what happened there.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2012, 12:00:12 PM
I'm open minded right up until I see Lambert at the presser
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Post by: Merv on May 31, 2012, 12:01:29 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 31, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
We can never be sure but if we were looking to start throwing money at this project again, it could be argued there would have been managers with a perceived higher profile in the mix. I'm thinking guys like AVB, Benitez, Capello and that type.

Well yes, but Benitez has been used to be able to pay £18m on a right-back, for example. So there are coaches around who have, and perhaps would still expect, to be paying big money for players, which is silly money, and not where we want to be heading again.

I'd rather get someone in who can use money smartly.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
john, it's only you I think that thinks Whelan has to defend his cubs honour or something.
Nobody is attacking Wigan and he's not a popular figure there. They think he's a bigger prick than I do.

I love underdogs and I love characters just like you do, but your admiration is wasted on this nasty, petty, chinese-trainer-wrangling, pound-chasing, decrepit old monkey rectum. He's not defending anything, he's going out of his way to slag other clubs off for no reason other than inflate his ego.


i know its only me, i can live with it
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 31, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 09:22:17 AM
I think Rodgers will work, I think Lambert will work if it happens.

Liverpool is a MASSIVE job for a 39 year old manager. Depends if he's got the self belief and time to get it right. Couple be a really good appointment. Gutted we didnt get him. Think AV would have been a better career move for him.

Very  similar to AVB at Chavski.

But I dont give a shit about them .   Lambert is nothing like MON , he has plan b's and plan c's and plan d's  , MON didnt have a plan B .   

MON = bring Carew off and bring Heskey on .
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Post by: QBVILLA on May 31, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 31, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

To me, we've already got a far superior version of Holt in Darren Bent. What Lambert needs to work on (if he ends up here - don't want to tempt fate) is not replacing Agbonlahor but making sure Bent is complimented by him. Norwich have that lad Jackson who is a tricky speedster and he and Holt seem to be able to play together. With A-list versions of those players, Lambert may not need to delve too deeply into replacing strikers.


Lambert:
"Och Gabby, we need to get you complimenting Benty"

Gabby:
"Ok boss, i'll work on it"

Next day.........

Gabby:

"Benty, come here"

Bent:
"Whassup Gabs?"

Gabby:
"Just wanted to say your hair looks nice and your mom is really pretty"
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Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2012, 12:07:50 PM
Agree with the anti Holt comments. The last thing we need is to be shelling out a large transfer fee and wages on a soon to be 32 year old forward. Avoid.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Had to turn talk sport off this morning...

Are villa really a bigger club than Norwich

Villa only have 20,000 attendance

Mcleish did a good job and kept us up

Villa fans fickle cos last year when McLeish was appointed we moaned and are still moaning 12 months on...

Villa is a fallen club in turmoil

Either we are deluded about the club or media just hate us! 
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Had to turn talk sport off this morning...

Are villa really a bigger club than Norwich

Villa only have 20,000 attendance

Mcleish did a good job and kept us up

Villa fans fickle cos last year when McLeish was appointed we moaned and are still moaning 12 months on...

Villa is a fallen club in turmoil

Either we are deluded about the club or media just hate us! 
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
Had to turn talk sport off this morning...

Are villa really a bigger club than Norwich

Villa only have 20,000 attendance

Mcleish did a good job and kept us up

Villa fans fickle cos last year when McLeish was appointed we moaned and are still moaning 12 months on...

Villa is a fallen club in turmoil

Either we are deluded about the club or media just hate us! 


Heard that , what a wanker that liverpool cock sucking twat is , quinn is it .... .TWAT!!!!!

so we moaned about TSM , oh yes and where did we finish with him .....  media tits
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:09:52 PM
whos the one person on here  who does not want Lambert ??  in the poll
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Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
john, it's only you I think that thinks Whelan has to defend his cubs honour or something.
Nobody is attacking Wigan and he's not a popular figure there. They think he's a bigger prick than I do.

I love underdogs and I love characters just like you do, but your admiration is wasted on this nasty, petty, chinese-trainer-wrangling, pound-chasing, decrepit old monkey rectum. He's not defending anything, he's going out of his way to slag other clubs off for no reason other than inflate his ego.


i know its only me, i can live with it

They might think Whelan is an arehole in Wigan but I've got to admit if I was an Athletic fan he'd be amusing me at the minute.
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 31, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: QBVILLA on May 31, 2012, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 31, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

To me, we've already got a far superior version of Holt in Darren Bent. What Lambert needs to work on (if he ends up here - don't want to tempt fate) is not replacing Agbonlahor but making sure Bent is complimented by him. Norwich have that lad Jackson who is a tricky speedster and he and Holt seem to be able to play together. With A-list versions of those players, Lambert may not need to delve too deeply into replacing strikers.


Lambert:
"Och Gabby, we need to get you complimenting Benty"

Gabby:
"Ok boss, i'll work on it"

Next day.........

Gabby:

"Benty, come here"

Bent:
"Whassup Gabs?"

Gabby:
"Just wanted to say your hair looks nice and your mom is really pretty"

Brill!!
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:55:31 AM
john, it's only you I think that thinks Whelan has to defend his cubs honour or something.
Nobody is attacking Wigan and he's not a popular figure there. They think he's a bigger prick than I do.

I love underdogs and I love characters just like you do, but your admiration is wasted on this nasty, petty, chinese-trainer-wrangling, pound-chasing, decrepit old monkey rectum. He's not defending anything, he's going out of his way to slag other clubs off for no reason other than inflate his ego.


i know its only me, i can live with it

They might think Whelan is an arehole in Wigan but I've got to admit if I was an Athletic fan he'd be amusing me at the minute.


can you believe it there a whole thread dedicated to him now
 
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 31, 2012, 12:29:47 PM
For everyone going on about Holt, how often do managers moving clubs actually "bring someone with them"..?

Not very often. Remember last year, "at least McLeish might bring Foster/Dann/Johnson with him".

Let's worry about appointing the manager first.
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Post by: German James on May 31, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 12:19:51 PM

can you believe it there a whole thread dedicated to him now
 

It's absolutely astonishing! That sort of thing makes us look very small-minded indeed.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on May 31, 2012, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 31, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
...not replacing Agbonlahor but making sure Bent is complimented by him....

Maybe Lambert could coach Gabby to tell Bent things like "your eyes sparkle like diamonds", or "I really like your hair today".

Edit: doh, really must read the whole thread before I start trying to be a clever dick...
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Post by: mal on May 31, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 11:18:27 AM
He's probably gutted nobody bit on Martinez, giving him a nice fat compo payout.
The shrivelled old bollock.
This is the first sensible comment about Martinez I've read on here since MON walked out.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 
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Post by: KRS on May 31, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 
Behave! Not even funny. File under "S" for SHIT!!!
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Post by: Summers on May 31, 2012, 01:06:08 PM
fletcher from wolves would be good.
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 01:08:13 PM
Can we not look abroad and find someone decent? Much like Newcastle have done. Enough of these Premier League players who are constantly embroiled in relegation battles with their clubs.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Has he resigned yet or not?
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Post by: Brian Taylor on May 31, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
Dembele 18-1 transfer to Citeh..take it!
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Post by: OCD on May 31, 2012, 01:55:34 PM
Do you know something Brian?
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 31, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 
Behave! Not even funny. File under "S" for SHIT!!!

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment for all those who have been stating that Lambert only buys from within Britain!!
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.

You really aren't a fan of Lambert are you Monty?
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Has he resigned yet or not?

No he hasnt resigned. Had a row with his board last night but not resigned.

And now he has.....never trust Sky Sports.....hopefully hes ours.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 02:24:21 PM
Cheers Ron.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Has he resigned yet or not?

No he hasnt resigned. Had a row with his board last night but not resigned.




i had a row with the wife last night as it happens
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Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2012, 02:25:46 PM
Given welcoming the news:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/given-would-welcome-lambert-appointment-at-aston-villa-7807946.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/given-would-welcome-lambert-appointment-at-aston-villa-7807946.html)
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Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.

You really aren't a fan of Lambert are you Monty?

I guess Monty is of a similar opinion to myself.  Norwich last year got wide fast and got a lot of balls into the box.  Morison, Holt and Wilbraham made up the majority of the attack, all of whom like crosses and are good playing with their back to goal.  It percentages football, that can be very effective with the right playing staff but it's unlikely to break us into the top 4.

For me Lambert is an acceptance that 5-8 and aiming for the europa league is our place in the world, we can't complain after the last couple of years but I see us hitting a similar glass ceiling to when MoN was in charge.

The problem is, once you're a big club teams are more comfortable defending deep and forcing you to break them down.  No one has done that to Norwich so, if he comes, we don't know what he'll do when teams come for a point (and are capable of holding out for it).  If he can figure that out then he'll be a great appointment, if not it'll be better than we've had but we won't be looking to extend the trophy room any time soon.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Has he resigned yet or not?

No he hasnt resigned. Had a row with his board last night but not resigned.




i had a row with the wife last night as it happens
Has she left yet?
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
I cannot find anything to confirm he has walked out on Norwich.

But if it all goes through I suggest the first thing Paul Lambert does is offer Agbonlahor in a straight swop for Grant Holt.

Then at least we would have a proper centre forward for next season.


I am not thrilled by Gabby's contribution for the last 6 months, but bollocks to that deal. I repeat Holt has one season wonder written all over him. Norwich rejected a £5 million bid for him in January, so would probably want more, he's fat and he's getting on. He is exactly the sort of player we should be avoiding.

Believe it or not I'd actually forgotten about Darren Bent!  You are probably right one season wonder (like Tony Yeobah) but hes not fat....hes burly....like Dunne!
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Post by: eastie on May 31, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
I see whelans popped up claiming martinez turned villa and liverpool down- not one but two he proclaimed.
Any news on lambert ? Just finished work.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 02:29:44 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2012, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Has he resigned yet or not?

No he hasnt resigned. Had a row with his board last night but not resigned.




i had a row with the wife last night as it happens
Has she left yet?

she wont go without compensation
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Post by: Caiphus on May 31, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
I hope Lambert spots up a bunch of German talent on the cheap and we can compete with ruthless Bavarian efficiency.  Newcastle can have their Frenchies, we'll role over them with a Panzer...
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Yeah burly like Mickey Quinn and Burly Barry Austin.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 31, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:09:52 PM
whos the one person on here  who does not want Lambert ??  in the poll
Probably somebody who wants an excuse to never go to Villa Park again.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 31, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:09:52 PM
whos the one person on here  who does not want Lambert ??  in the poll
Probably somebody who wants an excuse to never go to Villa Park again.

He hasn't needed one before.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Yeah burly like Mickey Quinn and Burly Barry Austin.

Mick Quinn was super burly!
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
@TimothyAbraham: A statement on Paul Lambert is due from #NCFC shortly. #AVFC
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 02:38:22 PM
He has resigned....

http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~2793911,00.html
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 02:39:54 PM
Ah well probably pretty clear now.
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Post by: Holy Trinity on May 31, 2012, 02:40:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 31, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 12:09:52 PM
whos the one person on here  who does not want Lambert ??  in the poll
Probably somebody who wants an excuse to never go to Villa Park again.

He hasn't needed one before.

was it greg dave? judging by your comment
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
Yes now he has gone.  Never trust Sky Sports News.

Not the first time he has done that. Sorry for misleading you Percy!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
So is he their manager still or not? they've not accepted the resignation, but talk like he has gone.... I don't get it...
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
Until he proves he can change his fundamental approach, I will remain fairly sceptical. A little jealous of the Baggies who have got themselves quite a manager (if, as it looks, they do get him) in Rangnick. He's precisely the sort of candidate I'd have assumed Villa were looking at.
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Post by: Summers on May 31, 2012, 02:55:03 PM
Gardening leave until we agree compo.
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Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
Until he proves he can change his fundamental approach, I will remain fairly sceptical. A little jealous of the Baggies who have got themselves quite a manager (if, as it looks, they do get him) in Rangnick. He's precisely the sort of candidate I'd have assumed Villa were looking at.


yeah, but theve been brought up on that pass and move stuff, not like us with snowball    ;D
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 31, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
No problem Ron, you were up to date when you posted.

I was trying to find out by catching up with the thread, but it was all about transfers and Dave Fucking Whelan!
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
Until he proves he can change his fundamental approach, I will remain fairly sceptical. A little jealous of the Baggies who have got themselves quite a manager (if, as it looks, they do get him) in Rangnick. He's precisely the sort of candidate I'd have assumed Villa were looking at.
A run down bloke who gets sacked a lot? Do you not think the board would see him as a GED style risk? I am delighted.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Like I've said I've seen Norwich play good football, I'm confident that Lambert can do that and develop moving forward. Let's all rewind to before we played Norwich and the horror most of us had at potentially facing another year with Mcleish, then think how happy we should be with Lambert
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
Until he proves he can change his fundamental approach, I will remain fairly sceptical. A little jealous of the Baggies who have got themselves quite a manager (if, as it looks, they do get him) in Rangnick. He's precisely the sort of candidate I'd have assumed Villa were looking at.
A run down bloke who gets sacked a lot? Do you not think the board would see him as a GED style risk? I am delighted.

Well in fairness, not literally Rangnick as he has GH-type health problems which will probably surface again and have probably cost him a more prominent place in management already. I meant, however, someone with a track record in playing good football. I've still yet to see this from Lambert, and nobody neutral seems willing to say that they do play good football, often calling Norwich 'pragmatic' and 'tactically sophisticated', which doesn't sound all that exciting to me.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but Villa in eighth seems like Lambert's glass ceiling to me, and the appointment smacks of a lack of imagination.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 03:02:02 PM
I was like you on Ralf Monty until I did more digging. At the higher level, Rangnick has done ok, but not amazingly well and has ended up getting the boot. I think he needs to prove he is over the fatigue thing too.


I am more comfortable with Lambert now. He seems to have a mean streak, but I want him to put his own assistant in place ideally. With his poor defensive record I would like Steve Clarke in with him.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
BBC now confirming that PL has resigned - here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18285404)
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Like I've said I've seen Norwich play good football, I'm confident that Lambert can do that and develop moving forward. Let's all rewind to before we played Norwich and the horror most of us had at potentially facing another year with Mcleish, then think how happy we should be with Lambert

That is exactly how I have rationalised it now. And they played us off the park with out 7 defenders on the final day.
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Post by: Summers on May 31, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
I don't understand that the fact they wont accept it while talks are on going. If we quit talking for an hour with Lambo will they accept it? It's weird.

Just offer them compo and get him in.
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 03:02:02 PM
I was like you on Ralf Monty until I did more digging. At the higher level, Rangnick has done ok, but not amazingly well and has ended up getting the boot. I think he needs to prove he is over the fatigue thing too.

I am more comfortable with Lambert now. He seems to have a mean streak, but I want him to put his own assistant in place ideally. With his poor defensive record I would like Steve Clarke in with him.

Like I say, not Rangnick specifically. Above all, he has to prove that exhaustion syndrome hasn't cost him his career, which is sad, because it's clearly that which has held him back in and out of jobs. Anyway, that's another subject.

In fact, one of the most appealing things to me about Lambert is that poor defensive record. Nobody can say Norwich didn't attack last season, and I've always said that if it were finishing 8th having scored 38 and conceded 37, or finishing 10th scoring 72 and conceding 71, I'll pick the latter every time.
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Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 31, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
I don't understand that the fact they wont accept it while talks are on going. If we quit talking for an hour with Lambo will they accept it? It's weird.

Just offer them compo and get him in.
The fact that he has formally resigned probably means that he's reached a satisfactory outcome in his talks with us. So, NC's rejection of his resignation is their 'play' on the compensation front.
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Post by: mr woo on May 31, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 02:59:29 PM
Let's all rewind to before we played Norwich and the horror most of us had at potentially facing another year with Mcleish, then think how happy we should be with Lambert

Great point. Not only am I looking forward to next season now,  the close season and potential transfer targets have become interesting too. Three weeks ago, I was dreading 2012/13 and anything to do with it.
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Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 31, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
I'm happy.

I'm not in the "we should be thankful he isn't McLeish" camp however, because I still think we deserve a talented man managing our club. He's done great at Norwich, really really great in fact and he looks like he can be a right bastard when he wants to be. I like that.

Finally us fans can look forward to some stability for the first time in years. MON always felt like he could have left at any moment; Houllier may as well been on a drip and McLeish...... well..... McLeish.

UTV
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 31, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
Here endeth the lesson.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
In fact, one of the most appealing things to me about Lambert is that poor defensive record. Nobody can say Norwich didn't attack last season, and I've always said that if it were finishing 8th having scored 38 and conceded 37, or finishing 10th scoring 72 and conceding 71, I'll pick the latter every time.

It's worth taking into consideration that Norwich had injury problems with their preferred centre halves for most of the season.
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Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2012, 03:27:09 PM
Quote from: Dave Clark Five on May 31, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
Here endeth the lesson.

Are you not still hoping for a last minute change of heart with Eck returning?
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: Gunnar Have a Funky Good Time on May 31, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
In fact, one of the most appealing things to me about Lambert is that poor defensive record. Nobody can say Norwich didn't attack last season, and I've always said that if it were finishing 8th having scored 38 and conceded 37, or finishing 10th scoring 72 and conceding 71, I'll pick the latter every time.

It's worth taking into consideration that Norwich had injury problems with their preferred centre halves for most of the season.

True, but the best-drilled defences can cope better with the loss of individuals. Anyway, like I say, I'm not particularly bothered about defending at this stage. Let's score some goals first, then see how we can protect what we have, not the other way around like last season!
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
Murphy on R5 just more or less told Norwich to shut up and remember 2009 when Lambert left Colchester for them! He was very forceful with his wording. Good for him!
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Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 31, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

That's great news.
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Post by: Irish villain on May 31, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
Everytime I search villa on google, that gobshite Dave Whelan has some new insult.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

In fairness Ireland worked really hard for the team last year. He wouldn't be the first name I'd think of in terms of 'shaping up or fucking off.'
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 31, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
Pat Murphy in sticking up for Villa shocker
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Post by: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

In fairness Ireland worked really hard for the team last year. He wouldn't be the first name I'd think of in terms of 'shaping up or fucking off.'

I thought he was average at times. Hard working? Nah. Player of the season? No
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 31, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 31, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
Pat Murphy in sticking up for Villa shocker

Hardly a shocker, both he and Lambert share the same bed as MON.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:49:15 PM
As I say extremely harsh, there are many players much more in line for criticism over last season before Ireland.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 31, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Never mind all this idle banter; where's the plane?
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Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
sadly not heading for the land of the trolls
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Post by: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
It looks like Swansea will appoint Wigan's number 2 as their new manager.
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Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
It looks like Swansea will appoint Wigan's number 2 as their new manager.

Dave Whelan?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 31, 2012, 04:07:18 PM
Dave Whelan can suck my balls.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 31, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
He will be to busy-Getting his head from up Martinez arse!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
Christ ! TalkSport is unbelievable The media in general seem well miffed that he is coming to us and are suggesting it's a downwards / sideways move on the basis of us having one awful season. They really make me sick but also quite smug as they clearly do not like the fact that we are still attract top targets,they were the same when we signed Bent. Well up yours the lot of you. We know the truth
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Post by: eastie on May 31, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
I think their statement is strangely worded but seems to imply that they wont accept it while lamberts only talking to villa but i think if villa agree terms with lambert they will accept it and then sort the compensation with villa, tgereby keeping the door open for lambert just in case his tslks with villa break down.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 31, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
The likes of darren gough and his sidekick havent a clue about aston villa or football in general, only person on talksport worth listening to is collymore and then only occassionally.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on May 31, 2012, 04:33:49 PM
Urgh Collymore. I used to listen to what he had to say until he started slagging us off for wanting McLeish out.

He said it was personal as he came from Birmingham but it turns out , ironically, that he was being personal as he's mates with McShitey. Hypocrite..
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Post by: Villafirst on May 31, 2012, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
Christ ! TalkSport is unbelievable The media in general seem well miffed that he is coming to us and are suggesting it's a downwards / sideways move on the basis of us having one awful season. They really make me sick but also quite smug as they clearly do not like the fact that we are still attract top targets,they were the same when we signed Bent. Well up yours the lot of you. We know the truth

That's the trouble: Villa have no one in the club who can raise our profile with the media. I can recall Phil Mepham being there a few years ago and our profile seemed much higher . They let shitheads like DW spout off without any form of rebuke. I'm afraid if people keep on and on saying we're 'too small' it tends to stick and that's how we're perceived. As I posted before, the PR is completely rubbish at the club and it needs addressing. Dare I say it, at least the General used to fight our corner with the media.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Le Lapin on May 31, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

In fairness Ireland worked really hard for the team last year. He wouldn't be the first name I'd think of in terms of 'shaping up or fucking off.'

I thought he was average at times. Hard working? Nah. Player of the season? No

He was the one player that made kind of an effort though. No player stood out over the season. They were all less that mediocre. The great Gabby did fcuk all. He's a player that has been coasting of his potential as a good prospect for a few seasons now. He's the guy that might get a wake up call.
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Post by: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 04:40:14 PM
There's a fan on TS from Barnsley called Aston. Fabulous!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: danlanza on May 31, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Gabby might well see himself in the shit if we get Lambert. Just cause he has a Villa badge for a heart might not be enough for Lambert.
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Post by: Stu on May 31, 2012, 04:43:10 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 31, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Never mind all this idle banter; where's the plane?

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Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
 Paul Lambert was correct to offer his resignation. This is an honourable thing to do whilst you have declared that you would like to move to a better job. This is unlike that weasel Martinez who cant make up his mind or pull his chairman out of his arse.
Norwich have not accepted Paul's resignation for very good and valid reasons. If they do than they have no recourse to compensation.
Now we are in the final steps and deed will be done in the next 24 hours.
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Post by: stubbsyandy on May 31, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Paul Lambert was correct to offer his resignation. This is an honourable thing to do whilst you have declared that you would like to move to a better job. This is unlike that weasel Martinez who cant make up his mind or pull his chairman out of his arse.
Norwich have not accepted Paul's resignation for very good and valid reasons. If they do than they have no recourse to compensation.
Now we are in the final steps and deed will be done in the next 24 hours.
In a nutshell, spot on
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john e on May 31, 2012, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Paul Lambert was correct to offer his resignation. This is an honourable thing to do whilst you have declared that you would like to move to a better job. This is unlike that weasel Martinez who cant make up his mind or pull his chairman out of his arse.
Norwich have not accepted Paul's resignation for very good and valid reasons. If they do than they have no recourse to compensation.
Now we are in the final steps and deed will be done in the next 24 hours.


do you think Martinez was ever offered the job at Villa or Liverpool ?  you would only resign when you know there is a job offer from another club surely
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
Christ ! TalkSport is unbelievable The media in general seem well miffed that he is coming to us and are suggesting it's a downwards / sideways move on the basis of us having one awful season. They really make me sick but also quite smug as they clearly do not like the fact that we are still attract top targets,they were the same when we signed Bent. Well up yours the lot of you. We know the truth

They were probably hoping we'd sign Mcarthy so they could have a good laugh at the protestors with bedsheets again. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TRO on May 31, 2012, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Paul Lambert was correct to offer his resignation. This is an honourable thing to do whilst you have declared that you would like to move to a better job. This is unlike that weasel Martinez who cant make up his mind or pull his chairman out of his arse.
Norwich have not accepted Paul's resignation for very good and valid reasons. If they do than they have no recourse to compensation.
Now we are in the final steps and deed will be done in the next 24 hours.


do you think Martinez was ever offered the job at Villa or Liverpool ?  you would only resign when you know there is a job offer from another club surely

He was last year, from an ITK, for the compo claim from Whelan to be that ludicrous Randy said no. Hence the fabled rejected us story's concoction.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: eastie on May 31, 2012, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: john e on May 31, 2012, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 31, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
Paul Lambert was correct to offer his resignation. This is an honourable thing to do whilst you have declared that you would like to move to a better job. This is unlike that weasel Martinez who cant make up his mind or pull his chairman out of his arse.
Norwich have not accepted Paul's resignation for very good and valid reasons. If they do than they have no recourse to compensation.
Now we are in the final steps and deed will be done in the next 24 hours.

Ask mark hughes!


do you think Martinez was ever offered the job at Villa or Liverpool ?  you would only resign when you know there is a job offer from another club surely
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 05:09:06 PM
Who cares what Martinez does or doesn't want anymore?  We can all enjoy watching Wigan get a sound thrashing, home and away, next season.
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Post by: Ron Manager on May 31, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on May 31, 2012, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on May 31, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
Christ ! TalkSport is unbelievable The media in general seem well miffed that he is coming to us and are suggesting it's a downwards / sideways move on the basis of us having one awful season. They really make me sick but also quite smug as they clearly do not like the fact that we are still attract top targets,they were the same when we signed Bent. Well up yours the lot of you. We know the truth

That's the trouble: Villa have no one in the club who can raise our profile with the media. I can recall Phil Mepham being there a few years ago and our profile seemed much higher . They let shitheads like DW spout off without any form of rebuke. I'm afraid if people keep on and on saying we're 'too small' it tends to stick and that's how we're perceived. As I posted before, the PR is completely rubbish at the club and it needs addressing. Dare I say it, at least the General used to fight our corner with the media.

Dave's not going to like this but Doug would have addressed the matter of the gobby Northerner as only he could. Doug would have chortled and then verbally patronised Mr Whelan until he begged for mercy.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: wookster on May 31, 2012, 06:13:48 PM
I get the impression from stuff flying about that PL is not a tracksuit manager, another MON comparisson, who are his coaches and are they coming too?
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 31, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

In fairness Ireland worked really hard for the team last year. He wouldn't be the first name I'd think of in terms of 'shaping up or fucking off.'

I thought he was average at times. Hard working? Nah. Player of the season? No

He was the one player that made kind of an effort though. No player stood out over the season. They were all less that mediocre. The great Gabby did fcuk all. He's a player that has been coasting of his potential as a good prospect for a few seasons now. He's the guy that might get a wake up call.

Ireland only really put in the effort when it suited him last season.  Remember Newcastle away when he told McLeish to "f**k off" because he had the temerity to have a go at him for not tracking back?  Also, the fact that he only managed 16 league games this season speaks volumes. 
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.

You really aren't a fan of Lambert are you Monty?

I guess Monty is of a similar opinion to myself.  Norwich last year got wide fast and got a lot of balls into the box.  Morison, Holt and Wilbraham made up the majority of the attack, all of whom like crosses and are good playing with their back to goal.  It percentages football, that can be very effective with the right playing staff but it's unlikely to break us into the top 4.

For me Lambert is an acceptance that 5-8 and aiming for the europa league is our place in the world, we can't complain after the last couple of years but I see us hitting a similar glass ceiling to when MoN was in charge.

The problem is, once you're a big club teams are more comfortable defending deep and forcing you to break them down.  No one has done that to Norwich so, if he comes, we don't know what he'll do when teams come for a point (and are capable of holding out for it).  If he can figure that out then he'll be a great appointment, if not it'll be better than we've had but we won't be looking to extend the trophy room any time soon.

I guess like any inexperienced manager, there are always going to be doubts.  As for the point in bold, Spurs played that way last season and they managed to get in the top four!!  as for strikers who like crosses, I can recall Bent scoring quite a few goals for us off crosses since he arrived. 
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 31, 2012, 06:46:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 06:31:10 PM
Quote from: Le Lapin on May 31, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
I think players like Stephen Ireland are in for a shock with Paul Lambert about. Shape up or f**k off.

In fairness Ireland worked really hard for the team last year. He wouldn't be the first name I'd think of in terms of 'shaping up or fucking off.'

I thought he was average at times. Hard working? Nah. Player of the season? No

He was the one player that made kind of an effort though. No player stood out over the season. They were all less that mediocre. The great Gabby did fcuk all. He's a player that has been coasting of his potential as a good prospect for a few seasons now. He's the guy that might get a wake up call.

Ireland only really put in the effort when it suited him last season.  Remember Newcastle away when he told McLeish to "f**k off" because he had the temerity to have a go at him for not tracking back?  Also, the fact that he only managed 16 league games this season speaks volumes. 
He only cam in to the side around Xmas though. I thought he worked hard and showed real glimpses of quality during the back end of last season. I just hope he has finally knuckled down and sorted his head out. Just to conclude, I can't fault him for telling AM to fuck off!
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 31, 2012, 07:19:46 PM
I thought Ireland had a great second half of the season and did see him track back loads , he was a lot better than a lot of players , which I know is not hard but he was .
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Post by: ajmant on May 31, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
A team that is built around Ireland is a team destined for mediocrity - flashes of brilliance but you need much more than that.
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Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.

You really aren't a fan of Lambert are you Monty?

I guess Monty is of a similar opinion to myself.  Norwich last year got wide fast and got a lot of balls into the box.  Morison, Holt and Wilbraham made up the majority of the attack, all of whom like crosses and are good playing with their back to goal.  It percentages football, that can be very effective with the right playing staff but it's unlikely to break us into the top 4.

For me Lambert is an acceptance that 5-8 and aiming for the europa league is our place in the world, we can't complain after the last couple of years but I see us hitting a similar glass ceiling to when MoN was in charge.

The problem is, once you're a big club teams are more comfortable defending deep and forcing you to break them down.  No one has done that to Norwich so, if he comes, we don't know what he'll do when teams come for a point (and are capable of holding out for it).  If he can figure that out then he'll be a great appointment, if not it'll be better than we've had but we won't be looking to extend the trophy room any time soon.

I guess like any inexperienced manager, there are always going to be doubts.  As for the point in bold, Spurs played that way last season and they managed to get in the top four!!  as for strikers who like crosses, I can recall Bent scoring quite a few goals for us off crosses since he arrived. 

I'll accept to an extent that tottenham played that way but Modric, bale, vdv and to an extent adebayor all offer a little spark of brilliance which was more often than not the difference between them winning and losing.  Bent will score from crosses, I agree and, as I said, I'm not disappointed and I think he'll do a good moyes-like job, I just don't think we'll do much more than that.

I guess the problem for me is Lambert is so obvious, after 2 1/2 weeks we're looking like getting the guy everyone expected the day we sacked the last guy.  After all the "we're looking at all the options and there's no rush" style talk I expected a few names to appear that we'd never have come up with, we got 1 and the expectation of more and then nothing happened for a week before the simple choice appears to have been taken, just seems a bit odd.
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Post by: brian green on May 31, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
Before we get too far off the original subject of this thread I must say that the fact that Dominoes Pizza did not even get to fly in Randy's plane let alone have an interview leaves me pretty cheesed off.
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Post by: Chipsticks on May 31, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
So Swansea are talking to the Wigan assistant about becoming their new manager? How low must their expectations be?
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Post by: Summers on May 31, 2012, 07:49:37 PM
The board know him, and they probably know he'll stick to the beliefs of the club.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 31, 2012, 07:50:15 PM
It makes sense I assume he came from Swansea originally, and they want to keep continuity.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on May 31, 2012, 07:58:07 PM
Swansea do have a pretty good record of recruiting managers recently,always try and stick to the same philosophy.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2012, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 31, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
So Swansea are talking to the Wigan assistant about becoming their new manager? How low must their expectations be?

If they know him and know how he works, then it's a much better idea than appointing any one of the number of hopeless fucking idiots who show nothing to suggest they know what they're doing, but still get these 3m a year jobs for some reason.
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Post by: supertom on May 31, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
I want to see more from Ireland. I think Gabby will hit form under Lambert again. Possibly he'll be used as and when to have an impact, like Holt was. Bent will flourish. Makoun interests me a lot. I'd like to think he'll get a chance and we'll see the best of him. We're woefully short in central midfield.

Lamberts brought a lot of players up through the leagues who've flourised in the Prem. So maybe we'll finally see Delph produce. Letting him attack would be a start. He'll never be a defensive mid, his tackling's too reckless.

I'd also be tempted to keep Dunney. I think he'll up his game again for Lambert and we need some seniority at the back. I'd still want to see the back of Warnock, Collins and Hutton though.

Interestingly, if you look at how well Hoolahan played last season and how good he's been at Norwich. It makes me optimistic we could finally see Bannan become a key player. Who knows. We've got a squad capable of being solid mid-table, lower upper. A few signings are required if we want to be around Newcastle and Everton, possibly Liverpool next season.  We should be looking to step back ahead of the rest like Fulham, Sunderland, WBA etc.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 31, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
Before we get too far off the original subject of this thread I must say that the fact that Dominoes Pizza did not even get to fly in Randy's plane let alone have an interview leaves me pretty cheesed off.

Can you have a pizza with the cheese off?  ;D
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2012, 08:08:21 PM
to make best use of Ireland we need to get much faster around him. We are one of the most lead footed teams in the league and that's something Lambert will need to address. Either we are just slow, or the previous regime simply didn't have a clue on how to teach quick control, pass and move. Ireland isn't quick but his brain is and we need to get players that will compliment his intelligence as much as make up for his lack of pace.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 31, 2012, 08:08:21 PM
to make best use of Ireland we need to get much faster around him. We are one of the most lead footed teams in the league and that's something Lambert will need to address. Either we are just slow, or the previous regime simply didn't have a clue on how to teach quick control, pass and move. Ireland isn't quick but his brain is and we need to get players that will compliment his intelligence as much as make up for his lack of pace.

TV, you answered your own question there with the words in bold. They just don't go together do they?
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 08:13:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 31, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 31, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
I thought Darren Bent was a proper centre forward, his record seems to suggest that! They can keep Holt, somebody has to eat all of Delia's burnt offerings. Can we give them Warnock as Lambert's compo?

At Norwich Lambert had Holt (goalscorer), Jackson (speed merchant) and Morison (target man), and he rotated them throughout the season.  For me, Bent and Gabby are similar but better players than Holt and Jackson, so that would leave the traditional style target man.  He's not exactly had the best of times at Wolves, but what about Kevin Doyle? 

Actually, both Holt and Morison are target men. It wasn't overly subtle.

You really aren't a fan of Lambert are you Monty?

I guess Monty is of a similar opinion to myself.  Norwich last year got wide fast and got a lot of balls into the box.  Morison, Holt and Wilbraham made up the majority of the attack, all of whom like crosses and are good playing with their back to goal.  It percentages football, that can be very effective with the right playing staff but it's unlikely to break us into the top 4.

For me Lambert is an acceptance that 5-8 and aiming for the europa league is our place in the world, we can't complain after the last couple of years but I see us hitting a similar glass ceiling to when MoN was in charge.

The problem is, once you're a big club teams are more comfortable defending deep and forcing you to break them down.  No one has done that to Norwich so, if he comes, we don't know what he'll do when teams come for a point (and are capable of holding out for it).  If he can figure that out then he'll be a great appointment, if not it'll be better than we've had but we won't be looking to extend the trophy room any time soon.

I guess like any inexperienced manager, there are always going to be doubts.  As for the point in bold, Spurs played that way last season and they managed to get in the top four!!  as for strikers who like crosses, I can recall Bent scoring quite a few goals for us off crosses since he arrived. 

I'll accept to an extent that tottenham played that way but Modric, bale, vdv and to an extent adebayor all offer a little spark of brilliance which was more often than not the difference between them winning and losing.  Bent will score from crosses, I agree and, as I said, I'm not disappointed and I think he'll do a good moyes-like job, I just don't think we'll do much more than that.

I guess the problem for me is Lambert is so obvious, after 2 1/2 weeks we're looking like getting the guy everyone expected the day we sacked the last guy.  After all the "we're looking at all the options and there's no rush" style talk I expected a few names to appear that we'd never have come up with, we got 1 and the expectation of more and then nothing happened for a week before the simple choice appears to have been taken, just seems a bit odd.

I accept Paul that Spurs have some quality players and if you have wide players that are the quality of Bale then you get the ball out to him as quickly as possible.  Everyone has got their own ideas of how we want the team to play and I'm certainly in no position to question other people's opinions. 

The one thing I would say is that who is to say Lambert's tactics etc. will not change when he is working with a better group of players?  Maybe he found an effective way of playing at Norwich with the players at his disposal, but will alter it when working with better quality players.  All speculation of course, but think it will be a good appointment (if it happens!!).
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Post by: Monty on May 31, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
I think we have to wait and see. He's a clever guy, and seems very eager to learn about the game, which is encouraging. If, however, his signings seem MON-ish, and we start next season with a similar run of games as McLeish got and we're not threatening to dominate possession or pass out from the back, I will then start to worry.
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Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
Once again, I think he's a decent choice, it's just an unexciting one that doesn't show much imagination or will to really make a fist of breaking away from the media opinion of the club; solid, ever present, upper mid-table side that are a risk or 2 away from being a real threat to the big boys.

When OGS leaked and we started hearing the talk about there being other options I expected a pattern where the other options were similarly brave, risky appointments with the chance of getting something a bit special.  If none of that had happened I'd have been really happy with Lambert but it's a bit like being shown a garage that could have a ferrari or a skoda in and then being given a merc, you're happy with the merc, and you'd have loved it before but you can't stop thinking about the ferrari you might've had.
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Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
Oh exactly, that's the point, not disappointed but can't help but think we could've done better.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:16:49 PM
agreed dave, I purposely picked something with a bad rep but that's still a lot better than the robin reliant we've just taken to the scrap.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

True, but you'd never have one in preference to a Merc!  ;)


Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

True, but you'd never have one in preference to a Merc!  ;)




I did. Mercs are nowhere near as good as they used to be, Skodas are Audis with a different badge.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

True, but you'd never have one in preference to a Merc!  ;)




I did. Mercs are nowhere near as good as they used to be, Skodas are Audis with a different badge.

I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

EDIT - I'm also very very sorry for a stunning derailment of the thread which is clearly going to lead to a page or 2 of discussing cars.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: charleeco7 on May 31, 2012, 09:26:00 PM
He's exactly the type of manager we need. He won't take any crap off some of our, shall we say, more challenging squad members. Can work on a limited budget and seems to have an eye for a player. He also changes his team and systems as he see's fit

He is much more suited to us that the over rated (IMO) Martinez.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

True, but you'd never have one in preference to a Merc!  ;)




I did. Mercs are nowhere near as good as they used to be, Skodas are Audis with a different badge.

Oops! I'd have been hard press-ed to know that though!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.

Porche, Audi, Bently, Bugattii, Lamborghini, Skoda, Suzuki, Ducati and VW all the same company strangely enough
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: sonlyme on May 31, 2012, 09:37:04 PM
Sadly Merc's stopped being 'smooth as silk' in the mid ninties.

Can we have a car/manager parallel thread now please?

I'll start...

(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u501/Grommmet/McLeishReliant.jpg)
       McLose                                          A Reliant Regal.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Roberto di Matteo - (park) a bus.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 31, 2012, 09:40:53 PM
'Onest 'arry Redknapp - a Cortina
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: jwarry on May 31, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Hi chaps been away for a bit.  Just typed in 'Paul lambert' in YouTube and watched a load of post match interviews and I tell you what, he's gonna be good...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 31, 2012, 09:59:17 PM
Quote from: jwarry on May 31, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Hi chaps been away for a bit.  Just typed in 'Paul lambert' in YouTube and watched a load of post match interviews and I tell you what, he's gonna be good...

I'm sold
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: KRS on May 31, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
Lambert was on my personal shortlist alongside AVB and Rodgers, so I'm delighted if he gets appointed even if the OGS saga has taken the shine off the selection process a little. Of all the candidates I would say he is the right man for the job at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2012, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 31, 2012, 09:59:17 PM
Quote from: jwarry on May 31, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Hi chaps been away for a bit.  Just typed in 'Paul lambert' in YouTube and watched a load of post match interviews and I tell you what, he's gonna be good...

I'm sold

He's gonna be great.  The press are wankers anyway, let him give them shit, who cares!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: john2710 on May 31, 2012, 10:09:03 PM
For where we are, Lambert is as good as we could expect. Hopefully we'll be good for him and he'll be good for us. After the utter shite we watched last season I'm sure, with a bit of tinkering,  he will get us to finish int the top 10.

He's young, ambitious and no fool.

UTV
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
Pinochio Martinez = Reliant Scimitar. Sporty, but still a freakin' Reliant!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: scotty_do30 on May 31, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
I would love to see Lambert in the job i like his style of football and the passion he shows.I just hope it gets sorted quickly and he is in place ready for the new season.

Randy and his minions owe us big time after the shit he has put us through with  his choice of shit managers and making us a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
Pinochio Martinez = Reliant Scimitar. Sporty, but still a freakin' Reliant!

I know a used car salesman in Wigan who would tell you different...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.

Porche, Audi, Bently, Bugattii, Lamborghini, Skoda, Suzuki, Ducati and VW all the same company strangely enough
And Seat.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 31, 2012, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
Pinochio Martinez = Reliant Scimitar. Sporty, but still a freakin' Reliant!

I know a used car salesman in Wigan who would tell you different...

I'm sure he would, but the MOT is at best dodgy!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2012, 11:22:08 PM
Sorry, but just back from the pub and appear to have logged onto the Top Gear message board!  Can someone point me in the right direction to talk about the Spurs wage bill and when Thatcher is gonna pop her clogs??
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.

Porche, Audi, Bently, Bugattii, Lamborghini, Skoda, Suzuki, Ducati and VW all the same company strangely enough
And Seat.

It's probably stretching a  point to say I drive a Bentley.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: James on May 31, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.

Porche, Audi, Bently, Bugattii, Lamborghini, Skoda, Suzuki, Ducati and VW all the same company strangely enough
And Seat.

It's probably stretching a  point to say I drive a Bentley.

Yeah maybe, though it would be im-press-ive if you did!  ;D
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Damo70 on May 31, 2012, 11:38:47 PM
I used to have an old Porsche 924, basically a VW with a Porsche badge. I took it to a specialist Porsche garage once (over twenty  years later they still send  a card to my old address at my mum and dads every Xmas for some reason) until I realised any garage will do. On the upside the gear stick is tiny and the handbrake is to the right by the drivers door so with the seats down it makes for a decent 'romantic enviroment' when you are in your late teens/early twenties and still living at home like I was. Bizarrely it had a towbar which would obviously annoy Jeremy.

Spurs wage bill is "down to Daniel, nothin to do wiv me" to quote 'Arry'.

Thatch will live forever.

Happy with Lambert.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 31, 2012, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: John M on May 31, 2012, 11:22:08 PM
Sorry, but just back from the pub and appear to have logged onto the Top Gear message board!  Can someone point me in the right direction to talk about the Spurs wage bill and when Thatcher is gonna pop her clogs??

A mate has been involved in the design of Thatcher's mausoleum but he insists they have made the dance floor too small.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
MON- Lotus  = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: TheSandman on June 01, 2012, 02:03:57 AM
Yes, but with a Lotus you can have a good time in spite of it's reliability, Pubey is more of a Ford Mondeo. Good at what it does but you eventually get bored of it, realise that some of the controls are in the wrong place and baulk at the increasing repair bills once you've had the car for a while. You trade it in for a nice French Citroen. The Citroen might prove interesting but hasn't been driven for a few years, lets you down badly a few times and eventually suffers a serious mechanical problem. Then you visit a dodgy salesman from Govan and you trust him a little too much when he tells you the Lada Riva is just what you need...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2012, 08:18:42 AM
Quote from: TheSandman on June 01, 2012, 02:03:57 AM
Yes, but with a Lotus you can have a good time in spite of it's reliability, Pubey is more of a Ford Mondeo. Good at what it does but you eventually get bored of it, realise that some of the controls are in the wrong place and baulk at the increasing repair bills once you've had the car for a while. You trade it in for a nice French Citroen. The Citroen might prove interesting but hasn't been driven for a few years, lets you down badly a few times and eventually suffers a serious mechanical problem. Then you visit a dodgy salesman from Govan and you trust him a little too much when he tells you the Lada Riva is just what you need...

Excellent
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
Where is the Next manager thread?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on June 01, 2012, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on June 01, 2012, 10:19:43 AM
Where is the Next manager thread?

Just under the Lambert Out protest thread.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Lee on June 01, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:19:51 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

True, but you'd never have one in preference to a Merc!  ;)




I did. Mercs are nowhere near as good as they used to be, Skodas are Audis with a different badge.

... and a push button radio.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 01, 2012, 01:14:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Mister E on May 31, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on May 31, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 31, 2012, 09:21:53 PM


I thought it was volkswagen they owned skoda?

They own Audi as well.

Porche, Audi, Bently, Bugattii, Lamborghini, Skoda, Suzuki, Ducati and VW all the same company strangely enough
And Seat.

It's probably stretching a  point to say I drive a Bentley.

A Bent what?
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 01, 2012, 01:20:06 PM
Oh its all gone quiet over there.........!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Surrey Villain on June 01, 2012, 01:24:30 PM
SSN just said Jordan is coming into the England squad!  That should stop them getting bored!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: rob_bridge on June 01, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 31, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: James on May 31, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
True paul_e, but then the ferrari might have had chronic faults and the merc be smooth as silk all the way? We'll never know, we should do our best to enjoy the merc, after all, it could have been a skoda, right?

Nothing wrong with Skodas, unless you're living in the past or believe very bad and inaccurate stereotypes.

Agree I have a Seat Leon which is basically a VW Golf which is a Skoda Octavia and an Audi A3. Same car, different dresses.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 01, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
I haven't got an impressive car, but then again, i've got a decent sized penis.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 01, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
did anybody see the norwich guy on sky sports news earlier saying grant holt would cost considerably more than the budget of the team that lambert is in negotiations with and gave the impression that he HAS seen our budget, im a little worried on two fronts,
1 why the hell do we still not have a pot to piss in
2 why the feck are we showing our rivals our transfer budget

i truly hope the guy was talking out of his arse but i fear the worst any less than 20 million and we will struggle to improve on last season im sure we could not buy anyone and stay up and get knocked out of the cups early easily with the current squad but to push up the table and have a cup run we need to replace the people leaving with better players as an absolute minimum
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
If he comes and honestly thinks our priority is nicking Grant Holt from Delia then that's mistake number one. Holt is one player we definately do not need.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
As if he has the first fucking idea of what we have to spend.

He can enjoy his five minutes of fame before pissing off to his no mark club never to be heard from again after Norwich go down for another fifeteen years. Bitter, uppety, small club wankers.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2012, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 01, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
As if he has the first fucking idea of what we have to spend.

He can enjoy his five minutes of fame before pissing off to his no mark club never to be heard from again after Norwich go down for another fifeteen years. Bitter, uppety, small club wankers.

*applause*
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
IMO Lambert wouldn't take the job should our budget not even stretch to the asking price for Holt*, or be anything like that small.

*Unless they want £30m for him.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: damon loves JT on June 01, 2012, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
IMO Lambert wouldn't take the job should our budget not even stretch to the asking price for Holt*, or be anything like that small.

*Unless they want £30m for him.

We should go and sign that bloke Wolf Wallander Smörgåsbord that Solskjaer was so keen on. That would piss everybody off quite nicely.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Californian Villain on June 01, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 01, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
If he comes and honestly thinks our priority is nicking Grant Holt from Delia then that's mistake number one. Holt is one player we definately do not need.

Could not agree anymore. A 31 year-old who's just had the best season he ever will have is the last thing we need...I can see why Holt wants to move mind you...
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: mr-villa on June 01, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 01, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
If he comes and honestly thinks our priority is nicking Grant Holt from Delia then that's mistake number one. Holt is one player we definately do not need.

Well said, I made the same point on Wednesday evening on this thread and got a bit of a caning from several posters.  Having just freed ourselves of Heskey we don't want to repeat the exercise with Holt.  The transfer policy going forward must be to avoid buying anybody with no resale value at the end of their first contract.

Our forward line is not a priority for the new manager, sort out central midfield and the full backs first please Mr Lambert.  I can only pray that the story in the Daily Heil about Holt following Lambert to VP is lazy journalism at best and that the Norwich Chief Executive's strongly worded "Grant Holt is not for sale at any price" is closer to the truth.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 01, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on June 01, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 01, 2012, 06:05:17 PM
If he comes and honestly thinks our priority is nicking Grant Holt from Delia then that's mistake number one. Holt is one player we definately do not need.

Could not agree anymore. A 31 year-old who's just had the best season he ever will have is the last thing we need...I can see why Holt wants to move mind you...

Holt wants/was promised discussions on a three year contract. Norwich have said no chance.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
MON- Lotus  = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

I drove past O'Neill as he was driving up to Manchester on the friday before we won up there a couple of years back.

He was driving a fairly basic BMW, a three door gold 325i.

Typical really.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Rigadon on June 01, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on June 01, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
MON- Lotus  = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

I drove past O'Neill as he was driving up to Manchester on the friday before we won up there a couple of years back.

He was driving a fairly basic BMW, a three door gold 325i.

Typical really.

Gold like his jewellery!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on June 01, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
You can still get a bet on Lambert @ 3/100...ooh 3 quid for £100. Dembele bet has disappeared..he said def not going to Chelsea and no bet anymore. Got 18-1 before it did to go to Citeh.
He could change his mind and come to a rising club with promise and a chance of trophies..no won't go there, yet!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: silhillvilla on June 02, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
Just put £200 on
Well it's basically £6 for free
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2012, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on June 01, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 31, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
MON- Lotus  = Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

I drove past O'Neill as he was driving up to Manchester on the friday before we won up there a couple of years back.

He was driving a fairly basic BMW, a three door gold 325i.

Typical really.

The scrote.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Brian Taylor on June 02, 2012, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on June 02, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
Just put £200 on
Well it's basically £6 for free

Lucky chap..it is 1/100 now! I hope you took them odds!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Thatcher at Downing St on June 02, 2012, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: TheSandman on June 01, 2012, 02:03:57 AM
Yes, but with a Lotus you can have a good time in spite of it's reliability, Pubey is more of a Ford Mondeo. Good at what it does but you eventually get bored of it, realise that some of the controls are in the wrong place and baulk at the increasing repair bills once you've had the car for a while. You trade it in for a nice French Citroen. The Citroen might prove interesting but hasn't been driven for a few years, lets you down badly a few times and eventually suffers a serious mechanical problem. Then you visit a dodgy salesman from Govan and you trust him a little too much when he tells you the Lada Riva is just what you need...

Bravo, John!!
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: Ron Manager on June 02, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Whats worrying me is the press conference when Paul Lambert is introduced as the new Villa Manager

Will John Terry be able to get away from the England training camp to take part in the celebrations?.

Taking it that he does how far is it from Buckingham Palace?. I do hope her Majesty lets him leave early from the balcony
so he can fit both events in.

Or perhaps Dave Whelan could cover for him at Buck Palace.

Her Maj  "My husband and I are very pleased to see you Mr Whelan"

Dave  "Im rite pleased your ladyship"

Prince William  "Mr Whelan Where exactly is this Wigan you are"...mobile phone rings... "Mr Whelan your manager has just tendered his resignation he wants to go to Hartlepool Utd"

Dave  splutters uncontrollably

Prince William smirks uncontrollably!

A nation rejoices!

Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: sonlyme on June 03, 2012, 03:48:39 PM
I still don't know what to believe.

I know the Villa board have made an official announcement but without hearing it from Mr Whelan I'm not so sure.  Come on Dave - spill the beans mate!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bAttJ7mIlIM/TUC4l2X5W2I/AAAAAAAACeg/AA7Q-JZuI9U/s1600/Jackie-Wright+old+guy+benny+hill.jpg)
A puzzled Whelan has yet to pronounce
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2012, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 02, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
Whats worrying me is the press conference when Paul Lambert is introduced as the new Villa Manager

Will John Terry be able to get away from the England training camp to take part in the celebrations?.

Taking it that he does how far is it from Buckingham Palace?. I do hope her Majesty lets him leave early from the balcony
so he can fit both events in.

Or perhaps Dave Whelan could cover for him at Buck Palace.

Her Maj  "My husband and I are very pleased to see you Mr Whelan"

Dave  "Im rite pleased your ladyship"

Prince William  "Mr Whelan Where exactly is this Wigan you are"...mobile phone rings... "Mr Whelan your manager has just tendered his resignation he wants to go to Hartlepool Utd"

Dave  splutters uncontrollably

Prince William smirks uncontrollably!

A nation rejoices!


Good attempt but you need to work on this.
Title: Re: Who do you want as the next manager? New poll option.
Post by: olaftab on June 03, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 01, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
As if he has the first fucking idea of what we have to spend.

He can enjoy his five minutes of fame before pissing off to his no mark club never to be heard from again after Norwich go down for another fifeteen years. Bitter, uppety, small club wankers.
Almost a class rant if only you had mentioned something about trackers in there!
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