Carlos Cuellar

[cdbearsfan]

A succession of rubbish managers.

You mean AM and GH, so two - hardly a succession. You can say many things about MON, but a rubbish manager is not one of them.

He was pretty rubbish when it came to defenders though. He sold Cahill for a pittance. He purchased an entire defence then had to go out and buy a new one the season after. He took Curtis Davies from being one of the most promising defenders in the country to one that signed for Small Heath. He played loads of players (including Carlos) out of position at right-back rather than pick Luke Young there. He hardly ever picked Carlos Cuellar at centre-half. He decided to pay Habib Beye £40,000 a week.

Yeah and he wasted a small fortune on Carlos Cueller as well. A player he and every manager after rarely played.

You could justify Carlos not being included when Dunne (in the Premier League Team of the Year) and Collins played well together in the last year of O'Neill's reign. There is no justification whatsoever for those two ne'er-do-wells being picked ahead of him this year or last. There is also no reason why Davies/Knight should have been picked ahead of him (or That Chelsea Defender).

If you were to ask every Villa fan which of our centre-halves most they would most like to see leave, I reckon Carlos would get about 2% of the vote, max.

[Dave]

So what? Boro and Fulham have reached the dizzy heights of a uefa cup final in recent years and they had some equally average players in their squads as well.

Yes, but their stand-out players in that run to those finals were pretty damn good. And Cuellar more or less dragged Rangers there on his own.

[Ad@m]

So what? Boro and Fulham have reached the dizzy heights of a uefa cup final in recent years and they had some equally average players in their squads as well.

But none of their defenders won their respective league's player of the season award.  I'd say the two together show he's not the average player some people are making out.

He's not looked great for us largely because he's been played intermittently and out of position.  The most important thing for a centre-half is to get a consistent run in the side as part of a consistent back four.  He's never had that with us so it's a bit harsh to criticise him for it.

My point is that to have achieved what he did in one season at Rangers there must be a good player in there somewhere.

[dave.woodhall]

My point is that to have achieved what he did in one season at Rangers there must be a good player in there somewhere.

Replace the word 'player' with 'manager'.

[saunders_heroes]

A succession of rubbish managers.

You mean AM and GH, so two - hardly a succession. You can say many things about MON, but a rubbish manager is not one of them.

He was pretty rubbish when it came to defenders though. He sold Cahill for a pittance. He purchased an entire defence then had to go out and buy a new one the season after. He took Curtis Davies from being one of the most promising defenders in the country to one that signed for Small Heath. He played loads of players (including Carlos) out of position at right-back rather than pick Luke Young there. He hardly ever picked Carlos Cuellar at centre-half. He decided to pay Habib Beye £40,000 a week.

Yeah and he wasted a small fortune on Carlos Cueller as well. A player he and every manager after rarely played.

You could justify Carlos not being included when Dunne (in the Premier League Team of the Year) and Collins played well together in the last year of O'Neill's reign. There is no justification whatsoever for those two ne'er-do-wells being picked ahead of him this year or last. There is also no reason why Davies/Knight should have been picked ahead of him (or That Chelsea Defender).

If you were to ask every Villa fan which of our centre-halves most they would most like to see leave, I reckon Carlos would get about 2% of the vote, max.

Really? Most Villa fans I know are sick to death of Cueller's dodgy distribution and can't wait to see the back of him, me included. By the way I want Dunne and Collins out as well but I'd take them over Cueller every time. I just don't understand the adulation he gets.

[dave.woodhall]

Really? Most Villa fans I know are sick to death of Cueller's dodgy distribution and can't wait to see the back of him, me included. By the way I want Dunne and Collins out as well but I'd take them over Cueller every time. I just don't understand the adulation he gets.

Every time a club has unpopular or unsuccessful management  a player who's not getting a game is seen as having fallen out with them or else a symbol of why they're no good, and is therefore a fan hero. See also JPA and Lee Hendrie.

[ozzjim]

He is a funny one Cuellar. But has done well over the last few games and helped us scramble to safety and goes with my best wishes, but of the 3 I would keep Dunne and put Clark in there with him.

[cdbearsfan]

Lee Hendrie was a fan hero? I only remember him being regarded as a massive waste of talent and fighting with Villa fans at Tammurf (or was it Walsall?).

We've had two unpopular and unsuccessful managers in a row. Part of the reason for their lack of success and popularity has been because they've picked a pair of piss-heads ahead of Cuellar.

Still, he's gone now. I'll be content if we bring in some decent replacements. I worry we end up with those two clowns Dunne and Collins still here. Not only are they, a best, inconsistent. They are also terrible role models to our team full of younger players.

[ozzjim]

Lee Hendrie was a fan hero? I only remember him being regarded as a massive waste of talent and fighting with Villa fans at Tammurf (or was it Walsall?).

We've had two unpopular and unsuccessful managers in a row. Part of the reason for their lack of success and popularity has been because they've picked a pair of piss-heads ahead of Cuellar.

Still, he's gone now. I'll be content if we bring in some decent replacements. I worry we end up with those two clowns Dunne and Collins still here. Not only are they, a best, inconsistent. They are also terrible role models to our team full of younger players.

They can't be kept together, surely? Their record as a pair from set pieces over the last 2 seasons should see one at least being got shut.

[cdbearsfan]

(Assuming Cuellar goes) I'd keep Dunne and get rid of Collins. Bring in another centre-half (preferably a Muslim or a tee-totaller) and then pick one or the other alongside Ciaran Clark.

[dave.woodhall]

Lee Hendrie was a fan hero? I only remember him being regarded as a massive waste of talent and fighting with Villa fans at Tammurf (or was it Walsall?).

We've had two unpopular and unsuccessful managers in a row. Part of the reason for their lack of success and popularity has been because they've picked a pair of piss-heads ahead of Cuellar.

Still, he's gone now. I'll be content if we bring in some decent replacements. I worry we end up with those two clowns Dunne and Collins still here. Not only are they, a best, inconsistent. They are also terrible role models to our team full of younger players.

Circa 1998 supporters were saying Hendrie should play more often than he did - well before the Tamworth and Walsall nonsense and when he was seen as a player of massive potential. I can't recall not picking Cuellar as high up on the reasons to criticise Houllier or McLeish.

[SX150]

I thought Mellberg was a decent centre half but then watched him play a season or so at right back. His distribution was equally as bad as Cuellar which I feel is down to being played out of position. Still scratching my head after remembereing watching Cuellar at left back also???

[SX150]

I don't understand the adulation Cueller gets. Clearly a nice bloke, but on the pitch he can be clumsy, especially his distribution. I can't say we'll miss him. Why do players like Cueller leave with a pat on his back from the fans while genuine fine players like Barry get vilified?

God loves a trier.

We could do with a few of them.

[Clampy]

Why do players like Cueller leave with a pat on his back from the fans while genuine fine players like Barry get vilified?

In Barry's case, running to the NOTW to explain that he was desperate to leave Villa did'nt help his cause.

[saunders_heroes]

Why do players like Cueller leave with a pat on his back from the fans while genuine fine players like Barry get vilified?

At least he was honest.

In Barry's case, running to the NOTW to explain that he was desperate to leave Villa did'nt help his cause.