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Offline paul_e

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6015 on: May 07, 2012, 03:25:07 PM »
Am I the only one imagining all the pundits and managers, etc meeting up regularly with secret handshakes like some masonic order of stupidity?  It's the only way I can explain the fact that all these so called 'experts' keep spouting such nonsense.

If I had the patience to hunt down the quotes I'd love to compare everything he's said in the last few weeks to quotes from the start of the season.  Back then we had talk of europe, the great squad and the excellent youngsters, now we're where he expected, have a shit squad and the kids are all average and not ready.

The final comment about protecting the players is the most blatent bullshit I've heard from him.  I can think of 5-6 times this season, off the top of my head, where he has singled out players as responsible for us losing games.  I remember it being said about Baker, Ireland, Clark and Nzogbia at various times (although from memory he's never blamed Dunne, Hutton or Warnock who have been the guys regularly making the mistakes).  I guess he's more than happy to defend the old school work hard and lump the ball forward players when they fuck up but the guys who have the balls to try playing football don't deserve the same treatment clearly.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6016 on: May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

Offline Rip Van We Go Again

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6017 on: May 07, 2012, 03:27:12 PM »
Am I the only one imagining all the pundits and managers, etc meeting up regularly with secret handshakes like some masonic order of stupidity?  It's the only way I can explain the fact that all these so called 'experts' keep spouting such nonsense.

Problem is, they come to these ridiculous conclusions from afar, they've probably never set foot inside Villa Park this season, so how could they possibly conclude that supporters are keen to crucify McLeish on the back of The Dog Shit connection?

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6018 on: May 07, 2012, 03:35:53 PM »
Merson really is a plank. How anyone employs him as an expert or pundit is beyond me.
I also think he's one of the most overrated Villa players in my time.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6019 on: May 07, 2012, 04:00:05 PM »
No question mcleish must go but faulkner must go too!
The club has gone backwards at alarming speed since the day paul faulkner arrived in B6.

Yeah, blast those record sponsorship and kit deals.  I think he’s done okay on the commercial sense but without doubt needs help with the footballing side.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6020 on: May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will have such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6021 on: May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6022 on: May 07, 2012, 04:15:58 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.

If the club want to get rid of McLeish, £4m is not going to swing the decision.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6023 on: May 07, 2012, 04:16:32 PM »
Aston Villa 1 Tottenham 1 - Mat Kendrick's big match verdict
By Mat KendrickMay 7 2012Comments (8) Recommend (1)
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 Alex McLeish making his way to the dugout
ALEX McLeish is relieved...

But until that sentence also includes the words ‘of’, ‘his’ and ‘duties’, few of the Villa Park faithful will relax, given the uncontrollable, unprecedented and unrelenting clamour for his departure.

Villa are virtually safe, McLeish less so, despite the defiant, yet dignified, manner in which the manager vowed to fight on after somehow salvaging Villa’s Premier League status.

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Let’s not pretend otherwise, the man forced to keep his head down in the dugout and clap nervously as he was again jeered out of the stadium yesterday is not in charge of this football club.

It is apathy, anger and annoyance that reign supreme at Villa Park these days. And while McLeish is not entirely the problem, neither is he the solution.

When a Villa boss cannot join an, understandably subdued lap of appreciation for fear of being abused by fans, how can he possibly face another two seasons of probable hostility?

Decisions, decisions. Indeed, the time has come for decision-making as decisive as referee Lee Probert’s yesterday with the Gloucestershire official getting the game’s three big calls spot on, Villa’s non penalty, Spurs’ blatant penalty and Danny Rose’s deserved sending-off.

Probert rightly ruled Younes Kaboul’s shoulder barge on Emile Heskey was not a foul when the goal-shy striker dallied too long over a shot from Stephen Ireland’s slick through-ball, following a sloppy Kyle Walker pass, on 12 minutes.

It came amidst a bright start from Villa whose approach play was encouraging, even if their failure to get bodies in the box somewhat undermined their efforts.

Eventually, Ciaran Clark, previously lacking options from good positions, decided to buy a lottery ticket and well and truly won the raffle with a 30-yarder which deflected off William Gallas, over Brad Friedel and into the net on 35 minutes.

Tottenham threatened through Emmanuel Adebayor, Luka Modric, Gareth Bale and Walker – with that rollcall alone highlighting the disparity between the big boys and paucity of McLeish’s claret and blue resources.

But Villa do possess a top class keeper with Shay Given again proving his worth with a wonderful first-half save to divert a Bale bullet destined for the top corner before the Welsh winger headed wide Rafael Van der Vaart’s cross.

After the break, Probert was precise again with a straight red card for Rose after the defender’s own momentum, and a slight push from Charles N’Zogbia, sent him clattering at full pelt into Alan Hutton’s shin near the touchline.

The former Spurs right-back has his own hard man reputation, which he lived up to when he got to his feet and limped away with a slight shin problem, with most of the crowd expecting him to be stretchered off with a broken leg.

Remarkably, rather than Villa capitalising on the numerical advantage, from the 49th minute onwards it seemed as if they were the ones who were a man short.

For most of the second half, the claret and blues wobbled more than Harry Redknapp’s jowls, especially when Richard Dunne took leave of his senses and chopped down Sandro in the box on the hour mark.

The Spurs midfielder was moving away from goal, just inside the penalty area and, with Villa still set with 10 men behind the ball following a half-cleared corner, was going nowhere.

Until, that is, a rash and needless tackle from Dunne sent him tumbling to the ground and Adebayor calmly sent Given the wrong way from the spot to level the scores.

Cue panic. With nervy Villa clearances sliced into the sky and errant passes finding the opposition, Redknapp’s Champions League chasers piled on the pressure.

Heskey hobbled off, as Heskey does. Weimann came on, but from his only opportunity, a race onto N’Zogbia’s incisive pass, collided with Friedel and soon limped away himself. Nathan Delfouneso was the next and only remaining cab off the rank, but his scoring satnav is as faulty as the rest of the fleet.

Dunne tried to make amends for his penalty concession by nodding wide N’Zogbia’s flag kick – that’s 374 unconverted corners for Villa in the Premier League now with not a single goal scored from that method this season.

It must be some kind of record.

In fact it was a day – and a season – for breaking records as Villa’s deficiencies begin to sound like a broken record.

Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to their lowest ever tally of home wins in a season – four. Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to their lowest Premier League points tally – 41 or less. Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to the Premier League’s joint highest number of draws – 16. Drawing, drawing Villa were always going to do it by instalments, point by point.

With a little help from their friends – or foes – as Albion’s James Morrison staked as strong a claim as any to be Villa’s player of the year.

Now, unless Bolton score at the goal-a-minute strike-rate they achieved briefly at Villa Park to win at Stoke by something like 17-0 on Sunday, Villa live to fight another day in the top flight.

The Premier League is an elite club Villa are desperate to stay in – not that surviving on the penultimate weekend is an achievement worth celebrating down Broad Street for.

Yet, after the embarrassing ‘Gatecrasher-gate’ episode a week ago, it was another unwanted member of the Villa Park party who once again became the centre of attention amidst sorry scenes at last orders yesterday.

It wasn’t as venomous or as volatile as the hostility which followed the crushing defeat to Bolton 12 days earlier. But loud chants of ‘‘Sack McLeish My Lord’’ resounded around the ground and banners proclaiming ‘‘Football with Eck, is uglier than Shrek’’ accompanied McLeish’s latest trudge to the tunnel.



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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6024 on: May 07, 2012, 04:27:40 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
I am betting that McLeish is still our manager at the start of next season.If he is gone after the Norwich game then that's great but i have a sneaking suspicion that he will still be with us. He has done everything that Lerner and Faulkner have asked, sell best players for huge profit, cut the wage bill, use what resources you already have and keep quiet and just be a yes man. Just a feeling.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6025 on: May 07, 2012, 04:46:14 PM »
Did anyone see Match of the day last night? Shearer was spouting the usual nonsense about us not giving him a chance cus of where he's from. Ffs! It virtually the end of the sason and these knobs are still droning on about not giving him a chance cus of his blose connection. Even that pillock Charlie Nicholas was at it the other day. Lazy lazy tv! "It's not where you're from - it's where you're taking us!" Pretty much sums it up!

Offline paul_e

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6026 on: May 07, 2012, 04:57:26 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
I am betting that McLeish is still our manager at the start of next season.If he is gone after the Norwich game then that's great but i have a sneaking suspicion that he will still be with us. He has done everything that Lerner and Faulkner have asked, sell best players for huge profit, cut the wage bill, use what resources you already have and keep quiet and just be a yes man. Just a feeling.

Again, I'm fed up of reading this.  I just don't understand why so many fans have gone through this revisionism process to make out that this season is exactly what the board were expecting.  It isn't, just look at the comments that were being made around his appointment, the board thought they were getting someone who could belie his poor record across the city and get us back to playing the way mon did.  They saw a guy who organised a solid defence (his record in this regard is good across his career, he's failed with us mainly due to the terrible form of both fullbacks and a 'good for at least one fuck up a game' central pairing) and scored on the counter attack, saw a squad built for that purpose and thought it would be a good fit.  They failed to account for the one thing mon is great at doing, getting players to give 100% week after week.

There is no chance that the board employed him with the idea being that 15th would be seen as an achievement, that idea is such clear nonsense I can't contemplate how so many fans seem to accept it as an irrefutable truth.  Our board are naive, they're not stupid.  I can understand why they thought it would work, and if it had it'd have saved us millions and avoided a full clear out of the playing squad.  The only question now is whether they think he's had enough mitigating factors to deserve the chance to bring in some more of his own players and clear out some deadwood, or if regardless of all that he's not done a good enough job.  I think the fan concerns will play a part as well though and the responses from the call around about season tickets is probably the decider if they can't make a decision otherwise.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6027 on: May 07, 2012, 05:04:38 PM »
100% agree with the above post paul. Faulkner was (laughably) talking of Europe at Xmas.

He's had some bad luck and been let down by some players. There was a spell in the middle of the season when we at least looked good in some games - or for patches of some games. If it was someone I rated before he came, I could see the argument for stability over changing manager again.

 But because blues were so desperately bad to watch, because they still only managed a goal a game even when they finished 9th and because of the absolutely cowardly nature of 90% of our games against top 6 sides, I really think he has to go.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6028 on: May 07, 2012, 05:06:51 PM »
It's difficult to get to page 121 of this thread and not repeat what has been said before and I'm sure what I'm about to say has been said many times.

But none of the players seem to have learned from their mistakes this season and I would love to know what they do during the week?

For example, do they practise defending set pieces? McLeish was a centre half, specialises in defensive football, yet we look so frail at the back. Do they practise corners that will beat the first man and find a claret and light blue shirt? Do they try tackling in order to avoiding stupid bookings? Do they try passing to each other? Running off the ball?

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #6029 on: May 07, 2012, 05:11:12 PM »
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

Probably more like management anger issues ;)

 


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