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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 05:44:25 PM

Title: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
Should AM be sacked?

Poll reset after the Wigan game.  Poll reset at 61.7 percent in favour.

Poll reset after the Blackburn Rovers game.

Poll reset after the Fulham game.  Poll reset at 76.8% in favour of sacking him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
That was fast
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 05:45:34 PM
I voted yes.  Get the clown out now he is killing us, if we don't go down this year we will next.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
That was fast
Unlike our manager I don't fuck about.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 12, 2012, 05:49:36 PM
Yes

See my signature
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
He's had less than a year, with a team that was severely weakened by our best players being sold. He has distinctly average players with an un-ambitious budget.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Oh dear, some voted no. It seems they love anti-football and potenial relegation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 12, 2012, 05:51:48 PM
Not now. I'd wait until the end of the season. If we pick up then he should stay or if we are poor he should go. I don't really think we can attract a good manager in mid season and the out-of-work options are downright depressing. I also have very little faith in Lerner to appoint a good manager.

I also feel it would be a bit unfair for him to carry the can. There are other people to blame at the club. The players and the owner who has failled to back his man (who would just about have been on to a loser any other way)  being outstanding candidates.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 12, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Oh dear, some voted no. It seems they love anti-football and potenial relegation.

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
He is dragging us down. I always defended hi as he's a good bloke and was appointed as the fall guy. But today was an absolute shambles. We only played for the last five minutes or so.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Oh dear, some voted no. It seems they love anti-football and potenial relegation.

You can read my mind! How do you do that? Can you tell what I am thinking about your comment?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: Dr. Um on February 12, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
He's had less than a year, with a team that was severely weakened by our best players being sold. He has distinctly average players with an un-ambitious budget.

Yes, and even with that, he manages to be even less ambitious with performances like today.

There's no shame in losing to Man City, but there is shame in playing in such a laughably embarassing way.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 05:57:11 PM
I'm going to vote 'no', but only because I think he should be given until the summer, after which if things carry on he probably should be given the ol' boot out the door.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 05:57:17 PM
He should be, but I doubt Lerner has the balls to make the decision.

When did the custodian of shit teams last show up to watch us? I can see why the Browns fans dislike him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 12, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
I've gone with yes, but maybe not before the end of the season, depends how bad things get. But the simple reason is that I just don't think he was good enough in the first place and he's proved it. Sadly I think it's that simple.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LeeB on February 12, 2012, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Oh dear, some voted no. It seems they love anti-football and potenial relegation.

Why don't fuck off back under your rock you prick
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TonyD on February 12, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
YES, NOW
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
Gona hold off before the next 4 games Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham and Bolton. Need get at least 7 points hoping for all 12. Less than 6 think he should be sacked before it's too late.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
Who would we realistically get in?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: sidcowans10 on February 12, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
Yes. Just too negative and tacticly worse than MON which I wasnt sure was possible.
I think he will stay til end of season but Lerner must know crowds and therefore revenue will plummet nest season.

I had chance of a free ticket and turned it down today...that says it all
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 05:59:01 PM
6 wins in 25 games is the sort of form that gets you relegated.  I can't stand to see the club I love doing what it is doing, giving up.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mattjpa on February 12, 2012, 06:00:10 PM
Lerner should go first.the lack of people at the head of our club with experience of running a club smacks of arrogance and has resulted in bad decision after bad decision. I want my Aston villa back
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
Quote from: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
Gona hold off before the next 4 games Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham and Bolton. Need get at least 7 points hoping for all 12. Less than 6 think he should be sacked before it's too late.
Less than six and it might be too late...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2012, 06:00:35 PM
No. Not yet.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PONGO49 on February 12, 2012, 06:00:47 PM
not yet, look what's availably, wait till May. We only need 12 points with a good run of winnable games coming up (Wigan, Blackburn, Fulham and Bolton) which we NEED to get a minimum of 7 points in them. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
Sadly yes and it is only his own fault. There is no excuse around the budget either, we have better players than probably 12 teams in the league but we are 15th.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 12, 2012, 06:02:19 PM
Our next four games are absolutely piss easy, taking on the three worst teams in the division and a home match to a team who are about on our level. I'd say seven or eight points is the bare minimum and will probably be enough to build us a bit of a cushion.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
Who would we realistically get in?

Paul Lambert
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

Whilst I agree with you on the manager, you need to change that "you're not a real fan if you support McLeish" nonsense really quickly, because it pisses everybody off.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rodders on February 12, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
At least we're not the Dingles.

In fact; if RAL were to chuck AM* overboard would we end up with Mick McCarthy?

* RAL AM = ALARM. Over to Suzy in dictionary corner.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2012, 06:04:49 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.
I'd rather have him as manager than listen to harp on all day.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
Who would we realistically get in?

This is precisely the problem, if anyone can come up with a decent and unemployed manager who we can get in I'd love to hear them. And before anyone gets over excited Capello's not coming to B6.

...I hear Mick McCarthy's job is in jeopardy if anybody fancies McLeish version 2.0
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 12, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
Who would we realistically get in?

Paul Lambert

There is no way he will leave Norwich in 8th for our rabble in the middle of the season. No chance at all. Maybe at the end of the season but definitely not now. It's more likely to be Steve Bruce or Neil Warnock.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
I'm sorry but there are bound to plenty of options who can't possibly to worse with the players available.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

He's learned nothing so far this season, and most worryingly he's learned absolutely nothing from last season either.

I don't give a shit about him being ex Blues, but I most certainly do give a shit about him having us play like he had Blues play last season.

It's just beyond belief. He has a few matches where he starts to suggest he can get something going for us, then he reverts to type with embarassing results.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 06:06:49 PM
We've sunk so far that there no longer seems a suitable alternative to Big Eck?

Ecking hell.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

He's learned nothing so far this season, and most worryingly he's learned absolutely nothing from last season either.

I don't give a shit about him being ex Blues, but I most certainly do give a shit about him having us play like he had Blues play last season.

It's just beyond belief. He has a few matches where he starts to suggest he can get something going for us, then he reverts to type with embarassing results.



Which is why he has to go now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 12, 2012, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

Whilst I agree with you on the manager, you need to change that "you're not a real fan if you support McLeish" nonsense really quickly, because it pisses everybody off.

It really does.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

As much as a fair chunk of the blame lies on Big Eck's shoulders, you have to remember we were playing what must be considered as possibly the best team in the country. In fairness, it's comments from fans with mindsets similar to yours that may have forced him to play such defensive football today, if he'd gone full throttle we probably would've been whipped at least 3 or 4-0, leading to even more hatred and abuse thrown his way.

Also, cut this "you're not a real fan if you support McLeish" crap out, who the fuck are you to label fellow Villa fans with just as much passion for the club as you as not a real fan, just for having an alternative opinion to yours?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 06:08:59 PM
There is no reason we can't go down.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 06:09:50 PM
The lack of ambition to attack and go forward, as shown in today's game, sickens me. We've made our bed (rather Randy has) so we'll have to lie in it.  Sacking the manager at this point won't help us, I feel. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

He's learned nothing so far this season, and most worryingly he's learned absolutely nothing from last season either.

I don't give a shit about him being ex Blues, but I most certainly do give a shit about him having us play like he had Blues play last season.

It's just beyond belief. He has a few matches where he starts to suggest he can get something going for us, then he reverts to type with embarassing results.



What it comes down to is that for the first time since his arrival I am really torn on how I feel about him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

As much as a fair chunk of the blame lies on Big Eck's shoulders, you have to remember we were playing what must be considered as possibly the best team in the country. In fairness, it's comments from fans with mindsets similar to yours that may have forced him to play such defensive football today, if he'd gone full throttle we probably would've been whipped at least 3 or 4-0, leading to even more hatred and abuse thrown his way.

Can't win with you lot.

Sorry, but I really couldn't disagree more with that.

if we'd had a go, there would be miles less stick than there is now, as was proven against Arsenal.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 06:11:23 PM
We are in free fall, clueless and spineless
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:11:34 PM
I also think it's a bit lazy to say we couldn't get any better. There are managers out there who couldn't possibly do worse.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 06:12:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

As much as a fair chunk of the blame lies on Big Eck's shoulders, you have to remember we were playing what must be considered as possibly the best team in the country. In fairness, it's comments from fans with mindsets similar to yours that may have forced him to play such defensive football today, if he'd gone full throttle we probably would've been whipped at least 3 or 4-0, leading to even more hatred and abuse thrown his way.

Can't win with you lot.

Sorry, but I really couldn't disagree more with that.

if we'd had a go, there would be miles less stick than there is now, as was proven against Arsenal.

Totally agree with your Paul.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
No fan who's proud of their club should want him a second longer, especially after tonight. 15th in the league, anti football bollocks where we had 3% possession at the final third at HOME and if he drags us into a relegation battle we can kiss goodbye to the Premier League because he's known to going down with no fight.

Sack him and have a caretaker guy for the rest of the season who's looking for a win instead of damage limitation.

As much as a fair chunk of the blame lies on Big Eck's shoulders, you have to remember we were playing what must be considered as possibly the best team in the country. In fairness, it's comments from fans with mindsets similar to yours that may have forced him to play such defensive football today, if he'd gone full throttle we probably would've been whipped at least 3 or 4-0, leading to even more hatred and abuse thrown his way.

Can't win with you lot.

Sorry, but I really couldn't disagree more with that.

if we'd had a go, there would be miles less stick than there is now, as was proven against Arsenal.

I'm convinced we would've been destroyed, though :(
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 06:13:01 PM
Lerner only has himself to blame. His decisions have been appalling.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 12, 2012, 06:13:32 PM
29 goals in 25 games.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 12, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
Its not about throwing caution to the wind and being gun ho,its about getting in their faces,playing higher up the pitch,giving their full backs something to think about.

The way we were set up was to fluke a nil nil,i cant remember too many other bosses trying that while being a Villa manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 12, 2012, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on February 12, 2012, 05:58:20 PM
Who would we realistically get in?

Paul Lambert

There is no way he will leave Norwich in 8th for our rabble in the middle of the season. No chance at all. Maybe at the end of the season but definitely not now. It's more likely to be Steve Bruce or Neil Warnock.

Darrent Bent did last year it's all about the money you offer!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:15:10 PM
Poyet could he do worse?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
Who, at this stage of the season would be available to replace him? There aren't many good managers available right now, and I cannot believe that one would up and leave their club right now. If you fire McLeish, then a new bloke isn't going to come in on a short term deal only to walk away in the summer. Hiddink isn't coming to Villa. We are better off sticking with him and then make some tough decisions in the summer.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2012, 06:15:59 PM
Undoubtedly yes, give the job to Kmac and unite the club again.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Eigentor on February 12, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
I voted no. Give him till the end of the season.

Before the season, I predicted that we'd finish 14th - not unreasonable as we finished 9th last season, hired an inferior manager to the one that left and sold two of our best players. We're now 15th, AM is not performing significantly worse than I expected.

As an aside, I have at times this season been wondering if carrying on with GMac would have been so bad after all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
We need to get through to the end of the season and not get relegated, and then move on.

My concern is that we now have a situation where, seemingly, we are exhibiting pretty much all the characteristics of a side that gets relegated.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
I think it says all for the confidence in the manager when even half of the 'no' votes actually mean 'no for now, but probably in the summer'.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: woody4866 on February 12, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
No

shot instead
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
What was the fans reaction at the end of the game? My stream stopped working in the last min.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 12, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
No

shot instead

Unnecessary.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 12, 2012, 06:20:05 PM
Yes! I don't like the guy, his tactics or his record the sooner the better what's the point? When u can predict the outcome of Villa's last 6 games and they all happen you know bad things are happening, plus i'm saving for a deposit so the £40 notes i would be spending for 15 minutes of some sort of decent football (mainly at the end of games) doesn't seem worth paying. This year i haven't been once, last year i went to 6 home games and the year before that 17. If i weren't saving though i would have went to a few i still might. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 12, 2012, 06:21:52 PM
Didn't Paul Faulkner say our aim was top 8-Europe!? If so then why the hell hasn't he and isn't already sacked? We're 15th ad have a testing few weeks ahead of us. Now is the time to cut the cord and get someone new in who's fresh approach can get the best out our attacking players and
We can move up the table! At least under O'leary played better football! Worst manager by far in my time following the villa since 92
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:22:03 PM
Mcleish thought that gameplan was 'excellent', bye bye.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: l_mckay on February 12, 2012, 06:22:22 PM
i think id rather him get sacked now and us go down trying rather than scraping to stay up and having him in charge next season!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:22:46 PM
Well he's just stated the "game plan was excellent and we were unlucky"

He should be sacked for that alone.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2012, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
Oh dear, some voted no. It seems they love anti-football and potenial relegation.

There's a difference between wanting him out and thinking he deserves to be sacked.  Do I want him as the manager? No.  But I don't think he deserves the sack either.

To be sacked you need to either be negligent or repeatedly break the conditions of your contract.  Sadly I do not think McLeish has done that.  In fairness to him, he's probably not too far behind parr considering the conditions he's had to work under.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:24:43 PM
If we went down with McLeish would people who want him to stay now think he's the perfect man for the job in the Championship? Serious question here. Would you still want him here anoter season? He got SHA straight back up afterall.

I'm sure the board would think it through.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 12, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 06:22:03 PM
Mcleish thought that gameplan was 'excellent', bye bye.

Fucking hell. Did he really say that? It does seem that we aim solely not to lose and usually fail in that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:22:46 PM
Well he's just stated the "game plan was excellent and we were unlucky"

He should be sacked for that alone.


Fuck me. I really hope he didn't say that. Because if he did and worse, he believes it he is going to lose a lot people who are sitting on the fence about him very, very quickly indeed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:25:20 PM
Yes. We tried something, it hasn't worked. 6 wins in 25 is the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
His interview was staggering and Dwight just essentially said he was talking bollocks and the performance as a Villa fan was unacceptable.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Summers on February 12, 2012, 06:25:58 PM
Yes.

Get him the fuck out. If a desired choice isn't there, KMac and Sid finish the season and then get the desired option.

McLeish out before he relegates us.

SIX wins in TWENTY-FIVE games and people want to give him more time?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2012, 06:26:24 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 12, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
No

shot instead

Just dont let Heskey do it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:22:46 PM
Well he's just stated the "game plan was excellent and we were unlucky"

He should be sacked for that alone.


Fuck me. I really hope he didn't say that. Because if he did and worse, he believes it he is going to lose a lot people who are sitting on the fence about him very, very quickly indeed.

I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
I'd get rid now and give the job to kmac and sid for the rest of the season.  We really couldn't be any worse and importantly a change of manager now should get the fans back onside for the rest of the season and that could make all the difference for the home games.

I've seen 4-5 performances this season that I'd expect to see from a lower league team in the cup trying to get a replay for the big payday.  1 performance like that would annoy me, as many times as we've seen it now says that it's his fall back position when he doesn't know what else to do.  No matter what money he spends and what players he'd buy we're still going to see performances like this for as long as he's here and it's just not good enough.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 06:27:24 PM
bye bye.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 06:28:50 PM
Did anybody see that? His post match interview. He looked ragged. He looked so under the cosh. He was short with his answers and defended a good performance and bemoaned our luck.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: citizenDJ on February 12, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
I voted yes, although with some doubts. I know it is harsh given the timeframe, and I do understand that we have lost some important players, but I just don't see any signs of sustained improvement. We see occasional flashes of good play (and even good games, such as Arsenal), and have even pulled off the odd good result (Chelsea), but nothing seems to 'stick'.

The defense is poor, just really disorganised, and this is with a manager who's strength apparently lies in this area. I appreciate we may have some bad eggs there, and frankly I'd have been happy to see the lot of them replaced, but McLeish doesn't seem to be getting any improvement out of them. In the commentary today, it was reported that he is working closely with the defenders on a daily basis. Well, what is happening as a result of that level of coaching? I don't see things getting better at all.

I hope he starts to improve things, of course, and maybe he'll be be backed financially in the summer and be able to bring in his own players, but I'm not convinced of his managerial ability at this stage. I think it's entirely possible we'll be in the relegation scrap come the end of the season, and I'm not sure he has the knowhow or, maybe, the team spirit to get us out of it.

Of course, I'd have gone for Martinez, so what do I know....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 12, 2012, 06:29:42 PM
I am fucking fuming with Todays performance, poor goal from a corner AGAIN, Ireland and nzogbia left on the bench presumably because they argued with him, the team suffered, how many saves did hart make again? Fuck me they could have played without a goal keeper.  Towards the end when tonne was injured he brought on baker, why not bannan? The man is a ******
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
Shocking interview. Very, very disappointed indeed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Tucson Villain on February 12, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
His interview was embarrassing. I think he watched a different game to me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 12, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
after that interview.


YES
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villan1975 on February 12, 2012, 06:31:12 PM
Time to go I am afraid.Nice bloke but trully awful uninspiring manager who it seems is losing all perspective.Genuinely feel for fans who are paying out a huge amount each week to see a team set out so timidly.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
His interview was staggering and Dwight just essentially said he was talking bollocks and the performance as a Villa fan was unacceptable.

Sorry only saw this after my hurried post. He looked like a man that is under serious pressure. That was a different McLeish to the one we had seen up to now.

Dwight was spot on. He said the Holte End were watching that in utter disbelief. Fair play to him for not doing the usual courteous  pundit thing of agreeing with rubbish spouted by a manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Summers on February 12, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?

Mac and Sid would do much better. If we went for Lambert, we'd get him.

Half the managers in the Championship would do better.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?

I would rather see a caretaker for the rest of the season. In his interview he doesn't actknowledge anything is wrong and he thought we were excellent. He'll do it again I'm sure. Why would anyone want to see more of his anti football tactics is beyond me considering we have a good set of attacking players.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:34:56 PM
I'm watching Curbs and Townsend politely tearing holes into the club. Andy is doing his best because he really loves the club, but we are in a battle now to stay up. I pray that in 4 games time we've taken the needed points to protect ourselvses.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Summers on February 12, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?

Mac and Sid would do much better. If we went for Lambert, we'd get him.

Half the managers in the Championship would do better.

I think maybe if we inquired about Lambert in the summer we might have a chance, but for me there's no way in hell he's leaving Norwich right now - he's loved by the fans and the owner, after getting them promoted comfortably to the top flight of English Football; and they currently sit in eighth, behind Liverpool. Why on Earth would he want to come to the Villa?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: manic-road on February 12, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
I voted no, but having just seen his interview with sky after the game i may be about to change my mind, he said John Gardner had a decent game, he must be another brother of Gary and Craig. He looked totally bemused as to what to say.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Mac and Sid take temporary charge if it came down to it. Sid especially has a good trio of virtues to temporary stewardship: firstly, he's trained these young players who, like it or not, we have to rely on to some extent, so he knows them inside and out; secondly, his youth teams have played good and effective football with these self-same players, which would obviously be an improvement; and thirdly, he's a proper Villa man who knows the club and what sort of expectations are reasonable.

My preference is still an end of season transition, but if it came down to that, I could see advantages to it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 06:37:40 PM
Where is the next protest??
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
Brian Little. A returning hero might be enough to secure enough points. He did it once before and has the respect of the fans. It would give the place such a lift.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2012, 06:38:23 PM
Would KMac really do any worse?  it was a poor decision to appoint Mcleish and everything we feared has happened, take him for a trip round Dougs rose garden and lets have some unity.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hulkamania on February 12, 2012, 06:38:36 PM
Mcleish needs to go now but has Randy got the balls to do it? Probably not. I just don't get what they have seen or are seeing in Mcleish to warrant giving him any more time. I'm incredibly angry right now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Mac and Sid take temporary charge if it came down to it. Sid especially has a good trio of virtues to temporary stewardship: firstly, he's trained these young players who, like it or not, we have to rely on to some extent, so he knows them inside and out; secondly, his youth teams have played good and effective football with these self-same players, which would obviously be an improvement; and thirdly, he's a proper Villa man who knows the club and what sort of expectations are reasonable.

My preference is still an end of season transition, but if it came down to that, I could see advantages to it.

I think Mac and Sid are part of the problem. Neither are strong enough characters to win the changing room war. It will take a very strong personality to come in right now and change things.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 12, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 12, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
No

shot instead

Unnecessary.

Yes at least tortured first, see how he Fuckin likes it
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
We probably can't afford to pay off his contract.

Randy has to take a lot of blame for giving a poor manager such a lucrative deal.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 12, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
I think that Interview was a seminal moment, he let the whole world know that he has not got a clue and should not be managing Aston Villa
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:42:19 PM
McLeish should go now. I honestly can't believe anyone thought that was an excellent game plan, not even our dimwit chairman who seems utterly oblivious to what is going on.

Get Grant out, too, and put one of KM or Sid in charge till the end of the season. I have more faith in them getting the points to keep us up than I do McLeish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
We probably can't afford to pay off his contract.

Randy has to take a lot of blame for giving a poor manager such a lucrative deal.

Randy is pretty much entirely to blame. He should never have appointed him n the first place.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:43:15 PM
McLeish thought it was an 'excellent gameplan'. Why do people still want to give him a chance when he thinks his anti football tactics were genius. Damage limitation at it's finset. He's glad he kept the score to one when it meant sacrafising our attacking threat for the majority of the game. This was at home as well. People are paying good money not to see their team show up due to McLeish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 12, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
We probably can't afford to pay off his contract.

Randy has to take a lot of blame for giving a poor manager such a lucrative deal.

Randy is pretty much entirely to blame. He should never have appointed him n the first place.

And what's to say that he won't make a horse's arse out of a third appointment?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2012, 06:44:39 PM
*Sigh*  It is getting so hard to find positives to cling onto.

If we sacked him then we'd have to pay a fair whack of compensation, but so be it, I cannot see things getting any better.  I'd be happy with KMac and Sid for the rest of the season and then try and get Lambert, Poyet or Rodgers in the summer. 

I've said it before but I'd love to see Southgate as a sort strategic director.  He's spent the last few years studying youth development for the FA.  And if that is our future strategy then he'd be an ideal guy to sit above the manager/coach plus advising Randy on football related issues.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:40:14 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 12, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Mac and Sid take temporary charge if it came down to it. Sid especially has a good trio of virtues to temporary stewardship: firstly, he's trained these young players who, like it or not, we have to rely on to some extent, so he knows them inside and out; secondly, his youth teams have played good and effective football with these self-same players, which would obviously be an improvement; and thirdly, he's a proper Villa man who knows the club and what sort of expectations are reasonable.

My preference is still an end of season transition, but if it came down to that, I could see advantages to it.

I think Mac and Sid are part of the problem. Neither are strong enough characters to win the changing room war. It will take a very strong personality to come in right now and change things.

I disagree, respectfully of course. Its not about personal issues anymore, its about results and the players are well aware of that. If a manager, any manager, can come in and put the proper players in their proper positions the results would start to come our way.

Anyone, literally anyone, would be embraced by the villa faithful. When McLeish goes there was be a huge lift off our shoulders and a celebration throughout the area.

If you would've told me last year that Emile Heskey would still be starting for Villa I'd would've offed myself. But not only did he start, it was on the wing.. against the Man City. ARE YOU KIDDING?!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on February 12, 2012, 06:45:00 PM
   
  I agree with Yorkie.Passionless, defeatist, negative, boring, sad.

  I was prepared to give him at least a year, but when i saw the team, and the ambition of the team i changed my mind.

 THAT is not acceptable for AVFC, to lie down and accept inferiority , without having a go.He did the same last week, the better team he went defensive.I hate my club giving money away but McL either has to change or go.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
We probably can't afford to pay off his contract.

Randy has to take a lot of blame for giving a poor manager such a lucrative deal.

Randy is pretty much entirely to blame. He should never have appointed him n the first place.

Well no obviously.

However, having done so, Randy should have at least left us in a positions where we could have cut our losses when it went tits up.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 12, 2012, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
We probably can't afford to pay off his contract.

Randy has to take a lot of blame for giving a poor manager such a lucrative deal.

Randy is pretty much entirely to blame. He should never have appointed him n the first place.

And what's to say that he won't make a horse's arse out of a third appointment?

Good point, but this one is looking pretty easy to improve on.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: rutski on February 12, 2012, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Summers on February 12, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?

Mac and Sid would do much better. If we went for Lambert, we'd get him.

Half the managers in the Championship would do better.

I think maybe if we inquired about Lambert in the summer we might have a chance, but for me there's no way in hell he's leaving Norwich right now - he's loved by the fans and the owner, after getting them promoted comfortably to the top flight of English Football; and they currently sit in eighth, behind Liverpool. Why on Earth would he want to come to the Villa?
that answer is easy! they willnever ever do any better than this!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:46:24 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 12, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
I've gone with yes, but maybe not before the end of the season, depends how bad things get. But the simple reason is that I just don't think he was good enough in the first place and he's proved it. Sadly I think it's that simple.

This for me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: rutski on February 12, 2012, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Summers on February 12, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:12:51 PM
But how is keeping McLeish as manager good for the club? The morale is at an all time low.

If he's here next season watch the attendence plummet. How can that be good for future of AVFC?

I just don't think we should sack him right now. I think that we should wait until the summer and if things carry on like they are, then do the deed.

Tell me, who's going to replace him if we sack him tonight?

Mac and Sid would do much better. If we went for Lambert, we'd get him.

Half the managers in the Championship would do better.

I think maybe if we inquired about Lambert in the summer we might have a chance, but for me there's no way in hell he's leaving Norwich right now - he's loved by the fans and the owner, after getting them promoted comfortably to the top flight of English Football; and they currently sit in eighth, behind Liverpool. Why on Earth would he want to come to the Villa?
that answer is easy! they willnever ever do any better than this!

While that fact will likely remain true, I don't buy that logic of Lambert's mindset.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 12, 2012, 06:49:32 PM
Sack him now.
He is not learning from his mistakes.
Yet again we approach a game like a bunch of scared schoolboys, we had no intention of trying to win it or take the game to the opposition.
We finally decided to take part after going behind and with 15 mins to go.
It is not good enough.
He is not good enough.
Get rid.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
I wonder how much influence Doug still holds within the club in terms of his relationship with Randy, if any. I dont believe Doug would have put up with this nonsense as long as this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: rutski on February 12, 2012, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
I wonder how much influence Doug still holds within the club in terms of his relationship with Randy, if any. I dont believe Doug would have put up with this nonsense as long as this.
nobody to start with longings for doug ellis please!!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2012, 06:44:39 PM
*Sigh*  It is getting so hard to find positives to cling onto.

If we sacked him then we'd have to pay a fair whack of compensation, but so be it, I cannot see things getting any better.  I'd be happy with KMac and Sid for the rest of the season and then try and get Lambert, Poyet or Rodgers in the summer. 

I've said it before but I'd love to see Southgate as a sort strategic director.  He's spent the last few years studying youth development for the FA.  And if that is our future strategy then he'd be an ideal guy to sit above the manager/coach plus advising Randy on football related issues.

What ever the compensation, I can almost guarantee it will be less than the money lost if we were relegated.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 06:49:47 PM
I wonder how much influence Doug still holds within the club in terms of his relationship with Randy, if any. I dont believe Doug would have put up with this nonsense as long as this.

I certainly think he'd be pissed off with the manager's belief that playing for a draw at home is acceptable.
Whereas I'm not sure Randy will be aware that it is happening. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hulkamania on February 12, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
91st minute and Dunne goes off injured. Replaced by Baker! Why not Bannan!!!? We needed a goal ffs
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TonyD on February 12, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
BFR would do the trick until the end of the season.  Come to think of it  the BFG would have more a gameplan.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 12, 2012, 06:57:48 PM
I would take Bruce til the end of the season 'we've nothing to lose we are winning 1 in 4/5 game atm i'm sure he could do a bit better than that 'only until the end of the season mind! His scouts also find some cracking players too (If all goes well), it's unlikely but anyone?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 06:57:57 PM
In a word yes.


Said it elsewhere, he WAS growing on me. Tonight I hope was his Houllier at Liverpool or DOL everytime he spoke moment, where the majority of the fans turn on him.


He thought we played well, deserved something from the game and that HIS game plan was excellent. Fucking baffoon. We were dire. Get him out. Now.

Gary McAllister was a better manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 06:58:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.

If he does get a summer he's just going to buy players that look nice.. but in all reality he has no idea how to use them. Much like N'Zogbia, a very effective player in the prem, has seen little football and has been unable to make a big impact. We need an offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.

The money to spend argument is negated by the fact that he currently manages to make the side look like so much less than the sum of its parts.

Today was a great example. N'Zogbia and Ireland on the bench.

To think he thought that was an excellent gameplan and that we were unlucky just beggars belief.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Who is out of work that could do it for 3-4 months.

Zola? Football and youth development would be good, and Wilkins is a damned good number 2.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.

The money to spend argument is negated by the fact that he currently manages to make the side look like so much less than the sum of its parts.

Today was a great example. N'Zogbia and Ireland on the bench.

To think he thought that was an excellent gameplan and that we were unlucky just beggars belief.

or onset mental retardation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: caster troy on February 12, 2012, 07:00:33 PM
No brainer for me, he has to go now. He's never done anything to suggest he's up to the job of managing us and I think it would really galvanise the home support, unite the club and give us hope if we just sent him packing and stuck K Mac and Sid in charge till the summer.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2012, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.

You might be right. I think he's had a battle against some rotting apples at the club that need to be gotten rid of. The question as you are pointing out is whether you trust him with the funds after that has been done?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 12, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.
Thats my thought aswell, he truly showed his colours today,
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on February 12, 2012, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 12, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on February 12, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I still want to see what it will be like after this summer. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt by shipping out certain players and bringing in others. But he is making it almost impossible for people to support him if he keeps setting us up like that. It is impossible to watch, impossible to defend as a strategy.

I don't think it matters if he gets any money to spend, the stuff on display today is the shite he serves up, rain or shine.

The money to spend argument is negated by the fact that he currently manages to make the side look like so much less than the sum of its parts.

Today was a great example. N'Zogbia and Ireland on the bench.

To think he thought that was an excellent gameplan and that we were unlucky just beggars belief.

The more worrying thing is that if he really thinks we were unlucky, he won't hesitate to do the same again.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 12, 2012, 07:03:55 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on February 12, 2012, 06:57:48 PM
I would take Bruce til the end of the season 'we've nothing to lose we are winning 1 in 4/5 game atm i'm sure he could do a bit better than that 'only until the end of the season mind! His scouts also find some cracking players too (If all goes well), it's unlikely but anyone?

Out of the frying pan, into the fire, which is then eaten by a dog, which in turn is eaten by a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jembob on February 12, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 05:57:11 PM
I'm going to vote 'no', but only because I think he should be given until the summer, after which if things carry on he probably should be given the ol' boot out the door.

I see no logical argument in giving him until the Summer apart from minimising the amount of compensation which the Club will need to dish out yet again. It's clear that he is out of his depth, does not have the respect of the players and is a buffoon. We are heading towards a relegation battle and I have no reason to believe that he has either the ability or the courage to keep us up. Indeed he has a track record of failure in that department.
A new manager would almost certainly give a boost to morale in the squad and would give us a fighting chance of survival. The most difficult question of course is finding somebody worthy to replace him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2012, 07:04:30 PM
Quote from: hulkamania on February 12, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
91st minute and Dunne goes off injured. Replaced by Baker! Why not Bannan!!!? We needed a goal ffs

And as shown, the best chances we had at the end were from corners and Bannan wouldn't win it in the box.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Who is out of work that could do it for 3-4 months.

Zola? Football and youth development would be good, and Wilkins is a damned good number 2.

Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner have proven to be totally clueless at making managerial decisions. I fear the next appointment to be honest.

What a mess the board have caused to this club. They're a disgrace.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 12, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
Today was a real disappointment because we didnt have a go until it was too late.  Heskey in the first 11 is mystifying.I thought AM had the way forward at the Arsenal game, but now back to square 1

I still think he needs a close season and to be judged in 12 months.I blame Lerner more than anyone-Mcleish will always be up against it as he wasn't a popular choice.The season was over by January (relegation flirtation aside), which I find totally unacceptable.

Even if the majority want Mcleish to go it will never happen. The owner didn't care what the fans thought before, why would he now?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 12, 2012, 07:08:56 PM
Double post by mistake
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 12, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
To anyone who thinks he should have more time, I would ask, how bad does it have to get before you start to worry ?
Please take a look at the fixture list.
The next 4 games are critical, because, with the remaining games afterwards, you could seriously question where we would pick up any points. I know that seems doom and gloom, but I am seriously worried that we are being sucked in and down.
Those next 4 games are winnable, but by the same token, those teams are probably relishing playing us as well.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 12, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
He seemed to be watching a different game to me today. According to him on WM we played really well and were unlucky to lose. I think Man City were unlucky not to thrash us. At the moment we have next to nothing. No passion. No fight. No ingenuity. No width. No midfield. No clue how to get the ball forward. And why oh why wasn't Heskey watching the game on tv? We had 3 other players we could have put in that position, and he chose him. Sometimes I think McL is just taking  the piss. I don't think we should sack him yet, but part of the rebuilding of this club should involve getting a new manager with ideas in the summer. If we can't attract the likes of Ancelotti then we should at least be looking for someone from the lower leagues who has potential. If we can't afford premier league players then that manager should be scouting the lower leagues and abroad for what we need. The likes of Hutton for example should not be the limit of our aspirations as far as signings go.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: levico on February 12, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
I think we'll see mcCarthy getting sacked at Wolves the main reason being so that new manager will get the players charged up enough to get the necessary point to stay up.

We have to do the same or Wolves will soon leapfrog us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: levico on February 12, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
I've been thinking the same,Compass but there is a risk we could go into a sustained decline and stay down for years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.

Christ almighty.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
Mcleish's interview has got to be enough for the board to say enough is enough. It was the most terrifyingly delusional load of bollocks I have seen in a long long time. I was sitting with two friends who are fans of different clubs and they were staggered, much like Dwight Yorke.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.

Which would be valid if i'd said "he's got until the end of the season". As that may indeed be too late. After the next 4 games, there are still 9 left which would be enough for a new manager to make an impact should it be necessary.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 12, 2012, 07:21:35 PM
Question is, who is the numpty that hired him, I wouldn't criticize McLiesh for 1 second for snapping up this job, he'd well run his course at the blouses, we all knew it was going to be like this, most of us said it would be before the ink was dry, so if we knew how come the powers at 'b' didn't when they are involved in the game itself.

As for sacking McLiesh, should have been done before Jan transfer window, should have had a new leader at the helm with a ready and waiting transfer budget, problem is if we let him go now at this late stage, who of any value and skill will want the job.

Think its a question of "you made your bed"
 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.

Relegation a good thing for Villa?  No.  It's not acceptable under any circumstances.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:22:47 PM
No matter how much anyone hates AM or Randy, wanting us relegated is insanity. It could take us years to bounce back just to where we are right now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.

Which would be valid if i'd said "he's got until the end of the season". As that may indeed be too late. After the next 4 games, there are still 9 left which would be enough for a new manager to make an impact should it be necessary.

And I took his point to be that there are an increasingly small number of matches left. Once again, as a general point rather than a comment on your own timeframe.

I'm genuinely not having a go at you or sticking up for him, just saying that I read it differently, that's all.

Mind you, nine games.... That timeframe reminds me of Shearer at Newcastle.

*shudder*
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.

Which would be valid if i'd said "he's got until the end of the season". As that may indeed be too late. After the next 4 games, there are still 9 left which would be enough for a new manager to make an impact should it be necessary.

Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Maybe it'll hit you when you're on your way to Bristol City for the first game of the campaign next season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: gabbyisgod on February 12, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.

Which would be valid if i'd said "he's got until the end of the season". As that may indeed be too late. After the next 4 games, there are still 9 left which would be enough for a new manager to make an impact should it be necessary.

Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Maybe it'll hit you when you're on your way to Bristol City for the first game of the campaign next season.

Least it will be cheap :)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: gabbyisgod on February 12, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:13:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 07:11:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

What happens when there's not four games to judge him by and we're driving to fizzy pop clubs on the weekend?

There will be more than 4 games left after those 4, so that is an incredibly pointless comment.

That's not what he's saying, though, is it?

But it's what i'm saying.

If neither of you can understand, ask me in 4 matches my answer may different, then there isn't a fat lot I can do about it as it's not the most complex sentence ever written.

I took it as him making a general point about time running out rather than having a pop at your timeframes, but hey ho, maybe I can't decipher a simple sentence.

Which would be valid if i'd said "he's got until the end of the season". As that may indeed be too late. After the next 4 games, there are still 9 left which would be enough for a new manager to make an impact should it be necessary.

Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Maybe it'll hit you when you're on your way to Bristol City for the first game of the campaign next season.

Least it will be cheap :)

maybe we'll even try to score a goal!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 12, 2012, 07:31:57 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.

Relegation a good thing for Villa?  No.  It's not acceptable under any circumstances.

If Villa got relegated , AMC would still be here
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Aston Manor on February 12, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Difficult. He shouldn't be in charge but is. The team is a mess and tactically we do seem poor. especially at  home. I fear for us now that Keane has gone and those lack of points from our early games has come back to potentially bite us on our arse. As for sacking him now that is just a 50/50 decision so we may as well leave it until the summer. I'm not convinced that whoever is available can come in and change us sufficiently to make that much of a difference.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 12, 2012, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.
Don't EVER wish that on our club
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 12, 2012, 07:34:56 PM
I think Lerner has to step in and make a grown up decision, he has to admit to both himself the club and the fans he's got this wrong, it no good him persevering with this and hoping against hope that if we get through to the end of the season, then what, is he seriously going to give McLiesh 30ML to throw at players, and expect him to attract the kind of players we need to have, not forgetting the likelihood of players leaving the club (assuming we stay up).

This is a nowhere road we are on, Lerner has to say, I've got it wrong, sorry about that, drag McLiesh into his office and tell him there will be a mutual parting of the waves either now or the end of the season, and start planning now for next season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Summers on February 12, 2012, 07:35:11 PM
I just closed my eyes and imagined McLeish carries on til the end of the season and we go down.

I feel sick.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:22:47 PM
No matter how much anyone hates AM or Randy, wanting us relegated is insanity. It could take us years to bounce back just to where we are right now.

I don't think we'd cope with relegation the way Newcastle did. You know villa. It would end up worse than we'd even expect so lets not go flippantly putting a positive spin on things like that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 12, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
Most championship away game prices are 20 + quid so not too much different to prem prices.

Should go in the summer. I don't like changing the manager every season but I really don't want to watch this garbage at home again this time next season.

You can just about count on one hand the games we've actually been good to watch in this season...Chelsea away, Wolves 2nd haf, Norwich at home, Arsenal at home, Bolton away...struggling to think of any more.

Please please Randy think of the next managerial appointment very carefully. Houllier was thinking in  the right lines in terms of youth development and player recruitment, just suspect health.

If Martinez keeps Wigan up miraculously again, go get him this time.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
Mcleish's interview has got to be enough for the board to say enough is enough. It was the most terrifyingly delusional load of bollocks I have seen in a long long time. I was sitting with two friends who are fans of different clubs and they were staggered, much like Dwight Yorke.

His Interview on BBC website is just as laughable!

Also to the interviewer, we dont like him because of his lack of ambition, talent or sanity. Not because he used to manage the scum!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Aston Manor on February 12, 2012, 07:44:44 PM
Another point worth remembering is that randy is not a sacking owner. A strength in some  respects and for the sake of continuity admirable. But, there's only so many times you can sit there bored, full of despair, embarrassed, down hearted, pessimistic, and resigned to our fate.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 12, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
If he's to go, then it must be on the basis that we go to Norwich or Swansea and get their manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: phantom limb on February 12, 2012, 07:47:46 PM
I've stuck up for him before but I think he needs to go, I can't understand his continual lack of ambition with the players that he has at his disposal. He's obviously just shite.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
Voting with the feet is the only thing that will get through to the board in a situation like this. 10k turn up a couple of games in a row, and they would act soon enough.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
Voting with the feet is the only thing that will get through to the board in a situation like this. 10k turn up a couple of games in a row, and they would act soon enough.

Would they fook
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Dwight Yorke would be a good shout! We have nothing to lose and anyone's gona do a better job than McCleish!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:22:47 PM
No matter how much anyone hates AM or Randy, wanting us relegated is insanity. It could take us years to bounce back just to where we are right now.

I totally agree with this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:22:47 PM
No matter how much anyone hates AM or Randy, wanting us relegated is insanity. It could take us years to bounce back just to where we are right now.

I totally agree with this.

Also wouldn't expect us to keep any of the decent youth to play in the championship they'd all be off to top end Premier league clubs
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Dwight Yorke would be a good shout! We have nothing to lose and anyone's gona do a better job than McCleish!

Dwight Yorke would be a ridiculous appointment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: atomicjam on February 12, 2012, 07:56:07 PM
Just got home to see bbc news taking the piss out of how negative we were. I am fed up with this crap that AM serves up. Sack him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.

Brace yourself.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: D.boy on February 12, 2012, 07:59:08 PM
The Sky interview is the one that amazed me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.

Lee, prepare to be even more open mouthed and swearing abuse than you were under Dolly.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: lee hendries tan on February 12, 2012, 07:59:34 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on February 12, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
If he's to go, then it must be on the basis that we go to Norwich or Swansea and get their manager.

this
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:59:36 PM
I'm not up to watching it yet. And I like watching horror.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.

Lee, prepare to be even more open mouthed and swearing abuse than you were under Dolly.

Is that actually possible?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 12, 2012, 08:00:51 PM
Knowing our luck RL would sack him and appoint Bruce. Hopefully he'll get the Wolves job. the annoying thing is we've narrowly missed some good potential. Hodgson! Hughes, Houghton? All would have been better than this. We have a group of more than good players. McL's management must be the problem. There were questions about his ability to motivate at SH. Again he had a squad capable of staying in the PL, but they dropped like a stone at exactly the wrong time. Even in April people were saying they were too good and wouldn't go down. Well they went. This is the most worrying thing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.

Lee, prepare to be even more open mouthed and swearing abuse than you were under Dolly.

Is that actually possible?

It is a terrifying interview.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dicedlam on February 12, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
Off to watch the post-match interview.

Brace yourself.

Its fingers in your ears and a sneak peak from behind the sofa type of interview Leeg
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on February 12, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Difficult. He shouldn't be in charge but is. The team is a mess and tactically we do seem poor. especially at  home. I fear for us now that Keane has gone and those lack of points from our early games has come back to potentially bite us on our arse. As for sacking him now that is just a 50/50 decision so we may as well leave it until the summer. I'm not convinced that whoever is available can come in and change us sufficiently to make that much of a difference.

Good points. Isn't Keane still eligible for the Wigan away match, though?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
Oh yes.

When he looks totally disbelieving of the reporter asking the questions and says the game plan was excellent, and follows it up with a response to the question how do you break the worst home run since 1987 with, win a match, you think, sorry mate, you are not up to the job, get your box.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villan from luton on February 12, 2012, 08:02:50 PM
Was a disgrace today, like the spuds and scouse shite games. Have stuck up for him, but three times is too much, feck off
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Aston Manor on February 12, 2012, 08:06:09 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on February 12, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
Difficult. He shouldn't be in charge but is. The team is a mess and tactically we do seem poor. especially at  home. I fear for us now that Keane has gone and those lack of points from our early games has come back to potentially bite us on our arse. As for sacking him now that is just a 50/50 decision so we may as well leave it until the summer. I'm not convinced that whoever is available can come in and change us sufficiently to make that much of a difference.

Good points. Isn't Keane still eligible for the Wigan away match, though?

Is he? Good. An absolute must win game before he goes then.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 12, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 07:13:38 PM
I'm actually wondering if McLeish relegating us would be a good thing.

First off McLeish would surely fuck off from football. Secondly, Randy will lose ALOT of money and he'll deserve it for being so stupid. Thirdly, we can fuck off all the high earners like Dunne, Collins etc. and use more of our kids.

Maybe we need a rebirth like Newcastle? I just fear the kids won't be good enough to bring us straight back up.

I'm just fucking sick of what's going on at this club right now and think we need a major revamp where we need an ethos to play more like Swansea.

You're trolling. If I wasn't sure about it before, then that last sentence regarding Swansea clinches it for me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Summers on February 12, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
I've voted yes, with a heavy heart.  I really wanted him to succeed but for the good of the club and in the interests of getting the whole club moving in the same direction, the he has to go
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:07:39 PM
Just saw this posted on another forum. Amazing.

Manager Points per game

Mcleish 1.17
Houllier (Full Term - He did pick McAllister!) 1.36
Houllier (not counting illness) 1.32
O'Neill 1.58
O'Leary 1.34
Taylor 1.18
Gregory 1.57
Little 1.52
Atkinson 1.55
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
Even when making allowances for a poster having an illustrious track record of idiocy, I find it nigh-on impossible to believe anyone with the mental acuity to be able to do the humdrum things in life (read, write, tie their shoe laces) thinks relegation would be anything but a bad thing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 12, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
Yes but they would probably replace him with Steve Bruce!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 12, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: toplad4u on February 12, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Dwight Yorke would be a good shout! We have nothing to lose and anyone's gona do a better job than McCleish!

No! Turning to old heroes in an effort to sweep up the dust does not work. It didn't bloody well work for Newcastle and it isn't going to work here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
He does seem to be living in a slightly parallel universe - not quite DOLWorld - where he's talking about how unlucky he's been. I'm beginning to think that he's simply not up to the job. Nice, yes; enthusiastic, certainly; committed, surely. Fully competent and talented to lead a Premiership club? - that's the question I don't think he can answer.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
Is this the right interview? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17006352)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
Try the Sky one.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
No it was for Sky, I'm not sure it's available online.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dicedlam on February 12, 2012, 08:13:33 PM
Seems a nice enough bloke, but way out of his depth.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
Is this the right interview? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17006352)

Afterwards, Sky cut to Dwight Yorke in the studio who more or less said McLeish was after talking bollocks. He must have said 'I disagree with Alex there' three times in the space of a minute and then  said he was looking into the Holte End during the game and all he could see was disbelief.

I hope you find that Sky interview McLeish gave.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: myf on February 12, 2012, 08:16:24 PM
I'd give him until Xmas to prove himself (providing he keeps us up).  If we sacked him now I can't see who want would it.  The Villa job has become a poison chalice for managers.

Besides can Randy afford the compo to sack him?

His team selection and tactics have left a lot to be desired but he deserves at least 12 months and our club needs stability.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:16:32 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/7516607/McLeish-rues-Villa-s-luck

That's some of it in written form.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_7516671,00.html)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
Good grief.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:14:43 PM
Link?

here;

http://bcove.me/gpi8c3lk
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 08:20:57 PM
Good grief.

Yep, as I say terrifyingly delusional.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 12, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
McLeish is turning out pretty much as we all expected, but once again, our complete clusterfuck of a chairman gets away Scot free.
Sells our best players and puts the brakes on spending with a speed that would make George Osborne blush.

The brickbats and criticism should be at Lerners door, wherever the fuck that is these days, although I doubt he'd hear anything whilst shouting orgasmic obsceneties over the letter from Sir Alex Ferguson (Which I presume is now as stiff as a board from repeated splatterings of man mustard) .

At least we don't have to put up with the twerpish General anymore and ridiculous pronouncements of
'we'll finish 4th, er I mean 5th'
'Imagine what McLeish could do at Villa with Randys backing.'
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 12, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
McLeish is turning out pretty much as we all expected, but once again, our complete clusterfuck of a chairman gets away Scot free.
Sells our best players and puts the brakes on spending with a speed that would make George Osborne blush.

The brickbats and criticism should be at Lerners door, wherever the fuck that is these days, although I doubt he'd hear anything whilst shouting orgasmic obsceneties over the letter from Sir Alex Ferguson (Which I presume is now as stiff as a board from repeated splatterings of man mustard) .

At least we don't have to put up with the twerpish General anymore and ridiculous pronouncements of
'we'll finish 4th, er I mean 5th'
'Imagine what McLeish could do at Villa with Randys backing.'

You should post more often.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villan from luton on February 12, 2012, 08:26:45 PM
Fecking idiot
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dicedlam on February 12, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 12, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
McLeish is turning out pretty much as we all expected, but once again, our complete clusterfuck of a chairman gets away Scot free.
Sells our best players and puts the brakes on spending with a speed that would make George Osborne blush.

The brickbats and criticism should be at Lerners door, wherever the fuck that is these days, although I doubt he'd hear anything whilst shouting orgasmic obsceneties over the letter from Sir Alex Ferguson (Which I presume is now as stiff as a board from repeated splatterings of man mustard) .

At least we don't have to put up with the twerpish General anymore and ridiculous pronouncements of
'we'll finish 4th, er I mean 5th'
'Imagine what McLeish could do at Villa with Randys backing.'

You should post more often.

^^^^
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_7516671,00.html)

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 12, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
I try and support him, but it's tough. I really have no confidence in him. I find myself looking wistfully back to the HDE days when he'd be taken for a quiet walk in the garden and be "persuaded" to resign. Ah... the good old days.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 12, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
Even when making allowances for a poster having an illustrious track record of idiocy, I find it nigh-on impossible to believe anyone with the mental acuity to be able to do the humdrum things in life (read, write, tie their shoe laces) thinks relegation would be anything but a bad thing.
Well you'd better start believing it Paulie, there are a few twats on here and in the real world, who believe that relegation would be no bad thing.

People who've never watched football and school kids I reckon*

(This remark copyright of Chris Smith)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ez on February 12, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Is he just waiting for our luck to change? Nothing more he can do then?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 12, 2012, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_7516671,00.html)

Oh dear.
'We had a few corners'

Whoop- de- fucking- doo !!!

A few shots would be nice, making the goalie make a few saves would be nice, scoring would be nice !

When a manager starts quoting all the players in the team, good and/or bad, YOU JUST KNOW he is trying to deflect from himself.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 12, 2012, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?

Agree with all this - I went there thinking I would be 'satisfied' if we only lost by the odd goal.
How defeatist is that.
This was all compounded by them showing the goals from the first home game of the 2007/8 season when we beat city 4-2, young, barry, milner, laursen were all in the side that day.

We are a million miles away from players of that calibre now - and they are like the harlem globetrotters of the premier league.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
I've watched that interview a few times now, and my favourite moment is the look on his face after he says "win the next one". It's a look that suggests an incredible amount of confidence. Like he's solved the mystery of football, and can't believe that for all these years, both he and other managers have been so foolish.

We'll just go and win, it's obvious.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Californian Villain on February 12, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_7516671,00.html)

Oh dear.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?

Exactly my thoughts, football is meant to be entertainment and what is on show at Aston Villa these days is about as far away from entertainment as is possible.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?

Exactly my thoughts, football is meant to be entertainment and what is on show at Aston Villa these days is about as far away from entertainment as is possible.

I dunno about saying it's not 'entertainment', it's kind of been like watching a dramatic comedy for the last few years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
Laurel and Hardy springs to mind.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?

Exactly my thoughts, football is meant to be entertainment and what is on show at Aston Villa these days is about as far away from entertainment as is possible.

I dunno about saying it's not 'entertainment', it's kind of been like watching a dramatic comedy for the last few years.

With the exception of the comedy bit.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
There came a point last season when things looked a bit sticky (we had to face Newcastle at home I think) when the Villa supporters seemed to draw a collective line underneath all the negativity surrounding the club and simply rallied around to help win a crucial three points.   I think we may well be  entering that kind of situation again.  McLeish will not be getting the bullet any time soon - we're all just going to have to roll our sleeves up and lift the club up the table.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Merv on February 12, 2012, 08:58:30 PM
Yes, I think he should. I'd accept him continuing for the rest of the season as I'd prepared myself for little more than staying up anyway, but he needs to go in the summer. Obviously, if he goes now I'd be happier.

I just think he was a poor, poor appointment and not the right manager for us, in the situation we are in. We have a better squad than McLeish thinks - he's stifling some of the talent we do have. And for those who believe he needs time, I don't think he'll get better. I can see a downward spiral.

As I said a couple of months back, I'd give the job to McDonald. If we're cutting our cloth accordingly, being careful on what we spend and have a strategy of bringing through the young players, then this is the kind of guy we need. He at least knows coaching inside out, he'd get us playing some decent stuff, he'd give a few more of the younger players opportunities, rather than forcing past-it senior pros into positions they are unsuitable for, and I'd wager he'd get more out of the group we have.

Finally, yes: McLeish may be the wrong man for this job but those who made the decision to appoint him, in spite of everything that screamed 'no', should be doing a hell of a lot of soul searching right now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 12, 2012, 08:33:38 PM
I'm not a defeatist and I'd never demand the sacking of a Villa manager but the lack of ambition makes no sense at all. People pay to watch Villa in the expectation, or at least the hope, that we will give the top four a bloody nose once in a while. If the club is not interested in that, and just wants to play the percentages against Bolton and Wigan, then why would you part with your money?

Exactly my thoughts, football is meant to be entertainment and what is on show at Aston Villa these days is about as far away from entertainment as is possible.

I dunno about saying it's not 'entertainment', it's kind of been like watching a dramatic comedy for the last few years.

With the exception of the comedy bit.

If you try and imagine it from an outside perspective it's hilarious.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 12, 2012, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
There came a point last season when things looked a bit sticky (we had to face Newcastle at home I think) when the Villa supporters seemed to draw a collective line underneath all the negativity surrounding the club and simply rallied around to help win a crucial three points.   I think we may well be  entering that kind of situation again.  McLeish will not be getting the bullet any time soon - we're all just going to have to roll our sleeves up and lift the club up the table.

And in the long term we were repaid with an almost universally unwanted manager, our best players being sold, and being served up terrible, negative, unambitious football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 12, 2012, 09:05:22 PM
I can't do quotes. I think Billy Walker is right.

I can't be arsed with bedsheets, I will support the team until we get out the other side. But once we are there, I want to see evidence that the club wants to do more than just tread water in this division.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimbo on February 12, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
I've said this elsewhere, but we all knew this was going to happen. Let's say Lerner gives McLeish the bullet - what then? Our chairman doesn't know the first thing about football, and neither do any of the people he has around him. Can he get the right replacement in to stop the rot that he himself has created?

Our last two managerial recruitment drives have been farcical to say the least, and both times we ended up with the wrong man. Does anyone have the faith in our chairman to make the right choice now?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 12, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
The bullet can't be far away, even our no nothing board must realise it's just not working.

He's as relevant now as Whitney Houston's crack pipe.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:17:10 PM
I don't think Mr. Lerner, Sir will sack him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Shoody on February 12, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
0% chance of it happening, he'll be given until Summer 2013 come what may.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: midnite on February 12, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
Does anyone know what the win percentage stats are for the other managers who have already been sacked this year compared to McLeish?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Nelly on February 12, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
Brian Little. A returning hero might be enough to secure enough points. He did it once before and has the respect of the fans. It would give the place such a lift.

I would be ecstatic if this somehow happened.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Des Little on February 12, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Absolutely no chance of Lerner sacking Eck.  Unless the unthinkable happens, and possibly not even then.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 12, 2012, 09:29:57 PM
Relegation is unthinkable and would be unbearable, I cannot think of anything worse
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
What actually needs to happen is for us to look for a director who can put in place a football 'strategy' (about getting kids with the right skills and attitude, training them and playing them in the right way so as they progress through they're groomed for the first team, who play the same way) between now and the summer.  We can then spend the summer and next season shifting around staff and players until we have a club style.  Once this is established you're management recruitment can focus around promoting from within as all levels will have the same structure and the same remit.  Our purchasing strategy can then focus on making sure all the squads have the same strengths.

A big problem currently is the huge disparity in our play between youth/reserves and the first team.  This makes the transition from reserves to the first team a lot tougher than it should be.  A club with sustained success at youth and reserve level like us should be comfortable with promoting the kids for a few games here and there, but clearly this isn't the case as we've let the squad get wafer thin before throwing them in and are paying for it.

Once we have a club way of playing and this is sold to the fans and media as 'the villa way' (which won't happen quickly) getting the right people becomes easier.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: woody4866 on February 12, 2012, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
No.

Ask me in 4 games time and it may be a different answer.

sorry PWS but in 4 games time it will be too late
not enough points against them and we shall be on the slippery slope to Championship footy
Every season some team goes on a run like ours where one of the bottom 3 gets out of it
we need to change this farce now
Wilkins for me with Sid as No 2
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: nelrazor1 on February 12, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
Brian Little. A returning hero might be enough to secure enough points. He did it once before and has the respect of the fans. It would give the place such a lift.

I would be ecstatic if this somehow happened.

He'd have the respect of the fans alright, but i'm not sure he'd get it from the dressing room. Lovely idea, even if it's never going to happen.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
As we discussed at the match at half time the depth of the problem is that McLeish is not specifically the manager or the coach of the team.   Because of the manner and circumstances of his appointment he is really an extension of the board of directors.   The role he was offered by Lerner personally and which he was more than glad to take was wage bill shrinker and Premiership membership securer.   All the rest - the quality of the football, the entertainment value, the satisfaction of the fans, the best use of players, the best nurturing of academy players, talking to the media - all of it is only the window dressing.   They sat in McLeish's house in Corsica and agreed what was required.   What we are seeing and today was as typical as any game since McLeish took over are those principles put into practice.

My bet is that that they will not even sack him if we get relegated because he will have pulled the shrunken wage bill rabbit out of the hat.

The football virgins who run our club will think a few free flags and a couple of hundred cheap tee shirts chucked to the first four rows of the Holte End is all it will take to fill VP for games against Ipswich and Peterborough.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TaxDodger on February 12, 2012, 09:36:09 PM
No. Unless we get relegated he deserves another season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Holtemeister on February 12, 2012, 09:37:48 PM
No !!!

Don't know right now what sacking him would do.....

Who would we get in to replace him and whoever we did go for would have to be ok'd by our "bad apples"

I never wanted McLeish, thought he was the wrong man for us based on his record, and this has nothing to do with his former employer.

He isn't the man either to take our club forward.

That said I'm not jumping on the sack him bandwagon here's why ....

He's got and had a really shitty hand to play with, he has senior players who are indisciplined and some that have other "issues". 

He has a weak squad bolstered by a number of fragile young lads who unfortunately are not good enough for premiership football. 

We don't like him and have not nor will not ever take to him.. and for that reason I presume he doesnt really like us but...

On the other hand he isnt helping himself.... continually playing Hutton and Warnock surely two of the worst fullbacks ever to have graced a villa shirt, playing Heskey who until today has struggled to look like a footballer, he worked really hard today for the team fair play to the guy. 

He has also caught the recent disease of insisting on playing players out of position - square pegs in round holes and whilst he isnt as defensive as some make out we clearly do not have  plan A never mind a plan B.

If anyone offered to invest in the club by providing money for transfers, I would dread to think what sort of player would be earmarked. 

I wouldn't trust him with a transfer kitty as far as I could throw him.

There have been bad apples in our squad now for far too long ...I feel that GH was a good decent man, one who would in time have changed our club for the better.  However he was being undermined by these "bad apples" The same bad apples exist and are responsible for some comical defending reminiscent of the Chuckle Bros but we seem unable to ship em out. 

We cant keep shipping managers and keeping player who are a disruptive influence and those that are clearly not good enough.

We need to start backing the manager ...nothing is going to change between now and the end of the season and even then very unlikely that Randy will get shot in the summer only to have to go through the process once more.

In all a very depressing situation
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr woo on February 12, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
The sad thing is McLeish does actually make the right noises in his interviews. He'll say he wants to play free-flowing attacking football, he'll promise not to play people out of position and he'll say those that don't perform will be dropped.

So what's so baffling is his constant determination to do the exact bloody opposite of that which he knows to be incorrect. Leading me to believe he is either:

A) a liar

B) incompetent


Either way it's not good enough. And the people in charge know it and should take action accordingly before it's too late. But they won't. Because:

A) it'll be throwing good money after bad
and
B) it would be like admitting we were right and they were wrong all along.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 12, 2012, 09:50:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 12, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: nelrazor1 on February 12, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
Brian Little. A returning hero might be enough to secure enough points. He did it once before and has the respect of the fans. It would give the place such a lift.

I would be ecstatic if this somehow happened.

He'd have the respect of the fans alright, but i'm not sure he'd get it from the dressing room. Lovely idea, even if it's never going to happen.

With the greatest respect to Sir Brian, the very suggestion is making me think of Alan Shearer on the pitch at Villa Park a couple of years ago in front of 3,000 crying Geordies.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: theleftside on February 12, 2012, 09:53:20 PM
he should never have been appointed.

BUT - if people let it be for five minutes he may then have the confidence to have a go against the better teams instead of being shit scared of losing badly.

today was a case in point he is to scared to have a go at man city in my view because he is worried about the crowd reaction if we are 2 down after 20 minutes....i would rather see a villa team let rip at the likes of man c, man u, spurs etc then just bloody turn up.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: The Left Side on February 12, 2012, 09:55:32 PM
I voted YES, please let him go and let us bring in someone like Lambert or Rodgers who knows how to play the game on the deck!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 12, 2012, 09:56:17 PM
Quote from: theleftside on February 12, 2012, 09:53:20 PM
he should never have been appointed.

BUT - if people let it be for five minutes he may then have the confidence to have a go against the better teams instead of being shit scared of losing badly.

today was a case in point he is to scared to have a go at man city in my view because he is worried about the crowd reaction if we are 2 down after 20 minutes....i would rather see a villa team let rip at the likes of man c, man u, spurs etc then just bloody turn up.



IF this Manager is basing decisions around not wanting to upset the supporters, then I don't want that sort of Manager here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2012, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 12, 2012, 09:50:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 12, 2012, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: nelrazor1 on February 12, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: ez on February 12, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
Brian Little. A returning hero might be enough to secure enough points. He did it once before and has the respect of the fans. It would give the place such a lift.

I would be ecstatic if this somehow happened.

He'd have the respect of the fans alright, but i'm not sure he'd get it from the dressing room. Lovely idea, even if it's never going to happen.

With the greatest respect to Sir Brian, the very suggestion is making me think of Alan Shearer on the pitch at Villa Park a couple of years ago in front of 3,000 crying Geordies.

Absolutley, it won't happen and nor should it but the next appointment needs to be one that the majority of the fans are united on.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 12, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Just watched the Sky interview-worrying viewing.AM is right about the chances though-Cuellar missed the target with a free header.

Overall I worry about relegation as we don't have a settled first eleven and aren't getting points.I totally blame Lerner who has turned out to be a disaster in my view. Things seemed rosier for a while as we had O'neill but those days seem a long time ago now. He's useless as an American football owner too.

Nothing will change even if we lose every game until the end of the season.Mcleish isn't getting a fair chance because of where he came from, which is the boards fault but he's here to stay.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: MarkM on February 12, 2012, 10:06:49 PM
With our form at the moment, we could very quickly be dragged right into the mess at the bottom.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on February 12, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Just watched the Sky interview-worrying viewing.AM is right about the chances though-Cuellar missed the target with a free header.

Overall I worry about relegation as we don't have a settled first eleven and aren't getting points.I totally blame Lerner who has turned out to be a disaster in my view. Things seemed rosier for a while as we had O'neill but those days seem a long time ago now. He's useless as an American football owner too.

Nothing will change even if we lose every game until the end of the season.Mcleish isn't getting a fair chance because of where he came from, which is the boards fault but he's here to stay.

It is not about where he came from. He talked about chances in first half and I don't remember any of those. People are fed up because they are fed up with the team being set up to try and limit the amount of goals we get beaten by. That is completely Mcleish's fault, it's obvious as well look at the Arsenal game the fans applauded the team off despite defeat. That's because we actually tried to win and impose our game on the opposition. So anyone saying it's because he's from blose is off the mark, it's that we are playing turgid, negative rubbish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: picicata on February 12, 2012, 10:10:07 PM
The only possible reason I can see for not kicking McCleish out the door now is that getting a suitable replacement at this time would be exceedingly difficult. Steve Bruce's face looms horribly large in my mind as I think of Randy's next appointment.

However, if he does not pick up 6 points or more from the next 4 games then take him out in the yard and shoot him. It would be the kindest thing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.


Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: glasses on February 12, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
A yes for me, sadly. Really wanted him to succeed, but I can't defend the strategy today and the interview tonight. He looks out of his depth and just hasn't been good enough.

He needs to go before we are dragged into an abyss.

Two years ago we were all looking forward to a trip to Wembley for our first cup final in 10 years, and things seemed pretty rosy.

How things have changed eh. Fucks sake.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 12, 2012, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 12, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on February 12, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
Just watched the Sky interview-worrying viewing.AM is right about the chances though-Cuellar missed the target with a free header.

Overall I worry about relegation as we don't have a settled first eleven and aren't getting points.I totally blame Lerner who has turned out to be a disaster in my view. Things seemed rosier for a while as we had O'neill but those days seem a long time ago now. He's useless as an American football owner too.

Nothing will change even if we lose every game until the end of the season.Mcleish isn't getting a fair chance because of where he came from, which is the boards fault but he's here to stay.

It is not about where he came from. He talked about chances in first half and I don't remember any of those. People are fed up because they are fed up with the team being set up to try and limit the amount of goals we get beaten by. That is completely Mcleish's fault, it's obvious as well look at the Arsenal game the fans applauded the team off despite defeat. That's because we actually tried to win and impose our game on the opposition. So anyone saying it's because he's from blose is off the mark, it's that we are playing turgid, negative rubbish.

This
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.


Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...

We'll have to wait and see but bringing that stat up today is meaningless.  No one is mentioning that MON only had 28 points after his first 25 games in charge - that was less than the noses last year!

PPL are quoting the stat as a kind of "i told you so", in the perverse hope that we get relegated and they are proven right.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: not3bad on February 12, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I voted yes.  He has mitigating circumstances, I agree, but most thought he had learned a lesson after the Spurs game.  That was that we want Aston Villa to go out and try to win games, no matter what the opposition. Houllier shot himself in the foot with his team selection and his fond glances at his old club.  Mcleish has shot himself in the foot with his negativity in the face of strong opposition.  But we have seen this year that all the top teams can be beaten if you go in with the right attitude and give it a go.  Mcleish, I don't think, is the man to give us that attitude.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.


Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...

We'll have to wait and see but bringing that stat up today is meaningless.  No one is mentioning that MON only had 28 points after his first 25 games in charge - that was less than the noses last year!

PPL are quoting the stat as a kind of "i told you so", in the perverse hope that we get relegated and they are proven right.

I for one do not hope we get relegated, neither do I believe anyone posting on this forum would wish it upon our beloved Villa.

I do however believe, we are not too good to be relegated.

I also believe that there is a common perverse consensus amongst villa fans that we will not be relegated, and I am merely pointing out it is a very real possibility, given AM's recent history in the premier league.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: maigrait on February 12, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Watched the match with "man united" father in law. He wanted us to beat them more than anything but couldn't believe, like myself, the utter dross that was played out. Why so negative? Why start with heskey? I swear it cut to the bench after the goal with KevMac, Grant and Mcleish actually saying what the feck do we do now?
They haven't a clue... Gary Gardner good to see him start. Zog looked up for it when he came on, so did Ireland. Just too little, too late.

No point sacking him mid-season, we wouldn't get anyone decent to manage us.

We have to win the next four or we are shafted.

People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!! Pointless him moving.

This is as bad as O'Leary days or Taylor (the 2nd time).

Pity first post has to be so negative, been lurking for a while - but the dross served up today meant I had to vent my spleen somehow...!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.


Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...

We'll have to wait and see but bringing that stat up today is meaningless.  No one is mentioning that MON only had 28 points after his first 25 games in charge - that was less than the noses last year!

PPL are quoting the stat as a kind of "i told you so", in the perverse hope that we get relegated and they are proven right.

I for one do not hope we get relegated, neither do I believe anyone posting on this forum would wish it upon our beloved Villa.

I do however believe, we are not too good to be relegated.

I also believe that there is a common perverse consensus amongst villa fans that we will not be relegated, and I am merely pointing out it is a very real possibility, given AM's recent history in the premier league.

Of course we are not too good to go down, but that could be levellled at half the league.  Quoting the blues stat is scaremongering, and just adds to the doom.

I would say the chances of relegation are slim rather than a "very real possibility" based upon the points we have and those of the teams below us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on February 12, 2012, 10:45:44 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: itbrvilla on February 12, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
Yes. He's completely clueless.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr woo on February 12, 2012, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: maigrait on February 12, 2012, 10:36:41 PM


People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!!


He'd come mate, Villa will always be a bigger draw than Norwich, regardless of league position
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: myf on February 12, 2012, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: AvFc4eVeR on February 12, 2012, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 12, 2012, 09:37:42 PM
We won't get relegated.

We have less points than blose did at this point last season...

I'm getting bored of hearing this.  It was tougher at the bottom last year and they got a bit distracted with a cup win.


Sounds Like a quote from AM in a few weeks time...

We'll have to wait and see but bringing that stat up today is meaningless.  No one is mentioning that MON only had 28 points after his first 25 games in charge - that was less than the noses last year!

PPL are quoting the stat as a kind of "i told you so", in the perverse hope that we get relegated and they are proven right.

I for one do not hope we get relegated, neither do I believe anyone posting on this forum would wish it upon our beloved Villa.

I do however believe, we are not too good to be relegated.

I also believe that there is a common perverse consensus amongst villa fans that we will not be relegated, and I am merely pointing out it is a very real possibility, given AM's recent history in the premier league.

Of course we are not too good to go down, but that could be levellled at half the league.  Quoting the blues stat is scaremongering, and just adds to the doom.

I would say the chances of relegation are slim rather than a "very real possibility" based upon the points we have and those of the teams below us.

Given our current form, the 7 point buffer to which you refer, may not exist for much longer.

We must win at least 3 of our next 4 games, because we then have Arsenal, Manu, Chelsea and Liverpool in quick succession.

Then we have a handful of games to save ourselves as we may very well be in bottom 3 by then.

I hope this is not the case, but with AM's clueless post match interview today, hope is fading fast.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: HalesowenVilla on February 12, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
Leaving our two most creative players in ireland and n'zogbia on the bench and playing heskey on the wing inexcusable. albrighton simply isnt good enough. out of date hit and hope football is just not good enough
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 12, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
I'm not gonna start calling for his head on the back of a loss to Citeh however bad the performance. He's gotta see off relegation fodder though or he's gone, Lerner's backing or not.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 12, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Has there been a sea change in how fans feel about McL today? There certainly seems to be a great deal more people vocalising their dissatisfaction today.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 12, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
As someone on this (or another) thread said earlier, we still have better resources than all but a handful of clubs in the topflight. Even with the new austerity measures.

Everton and Sunderland wanted N'Zogbia in the summer for example, but couldn't afford him.

Added to that, McLeish inherited a talented squad and a number of promising youngsters (even if they don't quite rival the Man U/ West Ham crop as many seemed to expect). He said as much himself of taking the job. Compared to the shite on the books at B-lose, it must have been like letting a little Rwandan loose at Harrods.  (c)  League of Gentlemen.

15th place going into mid Feb? He's underperforming, whichever way you want to cut it.



Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: maigrait on February 12, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Watched the match with "man united" father in law. He wanted us to beat them more than anything but couldn't believe, like myself, the utter dross that was played out. Why so negative? Why start with heskey? I swear it cut to the bench after the goal with KevMac, Grant and Mcleish actually saying what the feck do we do now?
They haven't a clue... Gary Gardner good to see him start. Zog looked up for it when he came on, so did Ireland. Just too little, too late.

No point sacking him mid-season, we wouldn't get anyone decent to manage us.

We have to win the next four or we are shafted.

People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!! Pointless him moving.

This is as bad as O'Leary days or Taylor (the 2nd time).

Pity first post has to be so negative, been lurking for a while - but the dross served up today meant I had to vent my spleen somehow...!!

Welcome, maigrait.

I don't know why your manure supporting father in law expressed  surprise at today's display after the way we played against them at VP earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 12, 2012, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 12, 2012, 09:35:37 PM
As we discussed at the match at half time the depth of the problem is that McLeish is not specifically the manager or the coach of the team.   Because of the manner and circumstances of his appointment he is really an extension of the board of directors.   The role he was offered by Lerner personally and which he was more than glad to take was wage bill shrinker and Premiership membership securer.   All the rest - the quality of the football, the entertainment value, the satisfaction of the fans, the best use of players, the best nurturing of academy players, talking to the media - all of it is only the window dressing.   They sat in McLeish's house in Corsica and agreed what was required.   What we are seeing and today was as typical as any game since McLeish took over are those principles put into practice.

My bet is that that they will not even sack him if we get relegated because he will have pulled the shrunken wage bill rabbit out of the hat.

The football virgins who run our club will think a few free flags and a couple of hundred cheap tee shirts chucked to the first four rows of the Holte End is all it will take to fill VP for games against Ipswich and Peterborough.

I will be having nightmares tonight after reading this. Great post though.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 12, 2012, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 12, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: maigrait on February 12, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Watched the match with "man united" father in law. He wanted us to beat them more than anything but couldn't believe, like myself, the utter dross that was played out. Why so negative? Why start with heskey? I swear it cut to the bench after the goal with KevMac, Grant and Mcleish actually saying what the feck do we do now?
They haven't a clue... Gary Gardner good to see him start. Zog looked up for it when he came on, so did Ireland. Just too little, too late.

No point sacking him mid-season, we wouldn't get anyone decent to manage us.

We have to win the next four or we are shafted.

People saying Lambert... wtf would he come to us? We have probably less money to spend than Norwich!! Pointless him moving.

This is as bad as O'Leary days or Taylor (the 2nd time).

Pity first post has to be so negative, been lurking for a while - but the dross served up today meant I had to vent my spleen somehow...!!

Welcome, maigrait.

I don't know why your manure supporting father in law expressed  surprise at today's display after the way we played against them at VP earlier in the season.

Welcome to the mayhem, shame your first post couldn't be praising a wonder show today, eh?

But in response to to you, adrenachrome - I think in the Man United game we definately gave 'em a bit more of a game and seemed to be a bit more attacking minded, in comparison to today that is; in comparison to the last few years it would seem just as dull and depressing as today.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 12:56:29 AM
It seems one of the excuses made for McLeish is he has it tough, but the squad is a solid top 10 outfit. Not only that but McLeish has spent nearly 20m already. Randy was still pretty generous giving him that amount in the summer.

Now I'm curious....How much money have Pardew, Moyes, Lambert, MON, Rodgers, Jol and Hodgson spent at their clubs? Probably no where near the amount McLeish spent and they're all above us.

The Stoke manger Pulis spent probably more than McLeish (I think), but at least he's doing good in Europe and is still 2 points ahead of us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: sitonthecity on February 13, 2012, 01:27:02 AM
its like watching blues last year
which i did a lot of .......how i laughed especially newcastle at home and spurs away
 
he is a very very poor manager
he has no idea what his best team is
there is no excuse for the lack of tactics and complete dross we have to watch

i disagree with those of you who think this idiot will keep us up
he will take us down
no doubt in my mind he should be sacked and quickly TODAY!!!!

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 13, 2012, 02:24:23 AM
Quote from: Compass on February 13, 2012, 12:56:29 AM
It seems one of the excuses made for McLeish is he has it tough, but the squad is a solid top 10 outfit. Not only that but McLeish has spent nearly 20m already. Randy was still pretty generous giving him that amount in the summer.

Now I'm curious....How much money have Pardew, Moyes, Lambert, MON, Rodgers, Jol and Hodgson spent at their clubs? Probably no where near the amount McLeish spent and they're all above us.

The Stoke manger Pulis spent probably more than McLeish (I think), but at least he's doing good in Europe and is still 2 points ahead of us.

Yes, but to only take into account the money spent is twisting the facts to suit your own purposes. What you fail to mention is the £40m in fees received for Youngs (Ashley and Luke) and Downing, plus the departures of Friedel, Walker and Reo-Coker.

Now, the argument that he hasn't used the players we do have well enough - fair enough, that's quite clearly true, particuarly yesterday. But the 'spent £20m', 'Randy being generous', 'spent more than most other managers' arguments are rubbish. Players have been sold totalling fees more than twice the value of those brought in and we've let twice as many first team players go as we've brought in permanently.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 13, 2012, 02:32:41 AM
Quote from: Apyadg on February 12, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Here's the interview (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16426_7516671,00.html)
How do you turn it around? win the next game. How? win the next game. But how? win the next game...
Fuck me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2012, 03:19:29 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Err hang on, I want him to succeed.  I'd imagine most supporters WANT him to succeed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 13, 2012, 06:07:25 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2012, 03:19:29 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 12, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Keep giving him slack.. keep giving him opportunity to succeed because its not going to happen. The supporters don't want it to happen, he doesn't know how to make it happen and the board doesn't care if he succeeds or not.

Err hang on, I want him to succeed.  I'd imagine most supporters WANT him to succeed.
I was desperate for him to succeed, now I am just deaperate.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 07:03:26 AM
shocking home performances this season and amazed by his views in the interview afterwards that it was an excellent gameplan-dire dross!

How i wish we had someone like lambert or rogers at the helm playing nice entertaining winning football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Holte End Stylist on February 13, 2012, 07:36:19 AM
I'm not usually one for jumping on bandwagons but I now feel he has to go,thing is who is out there to replace him?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ian. on February 13, 2012, 07:41:35 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 12, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
I'm not gonna start calling for his head on the back of a loss to Citeh however bad the performance. He's gotta see off relegation fodder though or he's gone, Lerner's backing or not.
Quite right, now we need to start picking up results. Most of our recent performances have shown glimmers of hope and we have had some terrible luck with regards individual errors. How we didn't wipe QPR off the pitch I will never know. That game should have been like the stuffing of Wimbledon many years back.

I really am not sure if he is the way forward, I so hope he is. I just want him to really succeed for us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 13, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
Just watched his interview after yesterdays game again. Think its even more dumb and clueless watching it back! The part when asked how hes going to turn it arround is embarrassing. I think i may email the club that video with some 'comments' attached.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 13, 2012, 08:57:09 AM
http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/five-things-premier-league-weekend?cat=football&type=article

Spot on about Mccleish,and a funny slating of Downing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: maigrait on February 13, 2012, 09:02:02 AM
albrighton wasn't the best yesterday but at least he got stuck in... I'm stuck in a loop just can't believe heskey got what, 55 minutes on the pitch. He gave us  two decent headers and... erm... nothing else.
At the end of the day there appeared to be no game plan... hoof is what the players resort to - to get rid of the ball but it increases pressure instead of decreasing it. Opposition comes straight back at you.

Damn you Barry for creating their goal ;)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
The lack of leadership from the board too sickens me. There is nobody in charge at Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
The lack of leadership from the board too sickens me. There is nobody in charge at Aston Villa.

THIS.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 13, 2012, 09:21:40 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 13, 2012, 09:27:09 AM
Quote from: eastie on February 13, 2012, 09:21:18 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
The lack of leadership from the board too sickens me. There is nobody in charge at Aston Villa.

THIS.

Agreed...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: richard moore on February 13, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on February 13, 2012, 08:57:09 AM
http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/five-things-premier-league-weekend?cat=football&type=article

Spot on about Mccleish,and a funny slating of Downing.

Not too complimentary about Young either. It makes me smile to recollect the start of the season when the media were falling over each other to praise Young and Downing, going on and on about how a step up to bigger clubs would be the making of them. And also what an amazing manager they had bagged down 'the Bridge'. Young has been a bit unlucky to be competing for a place with Valencia who I think has been one of the top 5 players in the premier league this season whilst Chelsea's signing of Luiz is looking an increasingly rash one...another player who the experts 'in the know' all rammed down our throats as the next big thing
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 13, 2012, 09:29:05 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
The lack of leadership from the board too sickens me. There is nobody in charge at Aston Villa.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: supertom on February 13, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
He's piss poor, simple as that. Never mind his background. Never mind our apparent squad shortcomings.
The biggest problem is the manager. The players don't bust a gut. Tactically inept. Poor selections. No ambition, no organisation, just no idea whatsoever! He hasn't got the dressing room, that's as plain as day by the way we've played, and certain individuals have played, over the course of this season. There's little motivation. You might say Randy's played a part in sapping our team of its motivation by how he's set his stall out the last year.

But in the management game you have to be first in line for blame when it's not right, and it's definitely not right. It's poorer than O Leary's last year in truth. Our squad is at least better than the one he left for O Neill.

He has to go. We won't go down, because frankly I don't think that any of those clubs below us can overturn a 7 point deficit on us, so I'd quite happily fuck him off now. I'm just sick of the dire football and lacklusture performances. The baffling decisions and general cluelessness too.

Rolling over and dieing so often this season has been an utter disgrace.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: NeilH on February 13, 2012, 09:31:31 AM
I’m genuinely interested. Knowing how Lerner operates and being more than happy with this whilst we were in the middle of the good times, what precisely do you expect him to say right now? Would it really help if Lerner pipes up and says ‘I agree with you all that we’re in a sea of sh** and drowning fast.’ or ‘I’ve got to drastically cut the wage bill at all costs.’
Lerner told you all you need to know about how he operates and what he thinks of us when he and Faulkner appointed McLeish in the summer to a barrage of outrage and tub-thumping.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: MarkM on February 13, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
"The soul-destroying nature of many of their performances should be of concern to anyone with a vested interest in the club. "

Nail, head, hit

Don't read the Guardian but that line sums up where we are
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
I voted 'no'.

It's always easy to over react after a loss, and I'm sure not all of you are doing that, but he needs to be judged after 38 games.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2012, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
"The soul-destroying nature of many of their performances should be of concern to anyone with a vested interest in the club. "

Nail, head, hit

Don't read the Guardian but that line sums up where we are
And the fact that so many peope are saying it including other papers, TV commentators, previous Villa players, makes me wonder why there are still people who are prepared to be patient and give Mcleish more time and/or (god forbid) money.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 13, 2012, 09:47:11 AM
It was a poor game. Why on earth Heskey played I'll never know. Should we sack AM? No.
Ask me in March.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on February 13, 2012, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on February 13, 2012, 09:47:11 AM
It was a poor game. Why on earth Heskey played I'll never know. Should we sack AM? No.
Ask me in March.

March will be too late...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 09:56:35 AM
Had we got a draw yesterday then I would have said No but I am saying yes now.  The guy has taken us backwards and the starting line up yesterday was a joke....Heskey FFS!!! Why why WHY!?!?!?!  He was the main outlet from goal kicks.  He was getting all to predictable.  If u cant pass it around then i know, lets lump it up field to Heskey to try and win a header with no one there to get the flick on. 
ive had enough of this man now and if he doesn;t get a minimum of 7 points from the next 4 games then he really needs to be sacked as thats just shocking considering the players he has at his disposal.  People keep comparing his current stats with MOn and GH.  He has had better players than MOn did in his first season in charge.  GH's man management style fucked us up and caused unrest in the dressing room but what he was trying to work to started to show towards the end of the season.  AM, this guy has had enough time in the summer to choose the players he wants to keep and ones he wanted to get rid of and it hasn't worked.  He is a poor manager and should never have taken this job.  Even if we survive, I want him gone as i cant see it getting any better next season.  He will be under pressure from day one again and if he doesnt get off to a half decent start then he has to go!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2012, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 12, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
I'm not gonna start calling for his head on the back of a loss to Citeh however bad the performance. He's gotta see off relegation fodder though or he's gone, Lerner's backing or not.

This.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 13, 2012, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: andyh on February 13, 2012, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
"The soul-destroying nature of many of their performances should be of concern to anyone with a vested interest in the club. "

Nail, head, hit

Don't read the Guardian but that line sums up where we are
And the fact that so many peope are saying it including other papers, TV commentators, previous Villa players, makes me wonder why there are still people who are prepared to be patient and give Mcleish more time and/or (god forbid) money.



Because I don't think they are listening to any of it. They have buried their heads deeply into the sound and are shouting wibble till its all ok. The Houllier appointment made sense from a footballing point of view and you could see what they were trying to do.


This appointment is a total and utter shambles and the Chief Exec should lose his job for it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Axl Rose on February 13, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
God knows why we're looking to March...we never win in March do we? I know some people will get annoyed by what I am going to say, and maybe even say, 'that's harsh', but I fucking hated Houllier and his pompous attitude and wankfest ideology towards Liverpool. And I fucking hate Mcleish and his boring crap ideas of how to play football. Uninspirational. I was feeling a little sympathy towards him regarding the pointless protest idea, because we are not Bolton or Blackburn, BUT, that performance yesterday reeked entirely of Alex Mcleish. Bollocks to what he is doing-I have lost complete patience and it is genuinely sad to see what is happening, especially the home form. I'll always be watching the games we play in, be it at Villa Park when I am back home, or in a pub/streaming online when I am away, because I love Villa. But nowadays, it is a massive disappointment.

On a more positive note, I believe we will beat Wigan and get at least a point at Ewood Park. But without stating the obvious, we should be doing better at home. Yesterday, we defended ok and for 60 minutes, City with all their players and quick passing, still could not get anything from us, even with our poor attacking play( we have CREATIVE attacking players!!! UTILISE THEM PROPERLY MCLEISH PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!!!)

All in all, absolutely boring. Horrible to see Barry and Milner playing for them.

Rant over...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
I voted 'no'.

It's always easy to over react after a loss, and I'm sure not all of you are doing that, but he needs to be judged after 38 games.

why wait till we are maybe down ? I have seen enough to suggest this man will not turn things around and randy must take a lot of the blame but ultimately a new manager could provide the impetus and knowhow to avoid relegation-enough is enough and the time to act is now -although i dont believe lerner has the balls to admit his mistake and our agony will continue under the 3 stooges in charge , aka lerner, faulkner and mcleish.

Paul lambert would be my choice but whether he would leave norwich to work for these clowns is doubtful.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: eastie on February 13, 2012, 10:35:23 AM
3 stooges in charge , aka lerner, faulkner and mcleish.

Very funny but yet very true....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
I've done a lot of thinking this morning. Randy will not sack McLeish. Not a hope. I've arrived at a few inconvenient truths too. Bear with me.

As fans, we are emotionally involved so we often don't see the wood for the trees. We have a passion for what happens at the club so it is difficult for us to coldly analyse events as they unfold. We live and breath the club and kick every ball, jump for every header and dive into every 50:50. By nature we are divided into optimists and pessimists. Some of us wish to see a positive outcome in everything that happens Aston Villa. Others can instantly see the pitfalls of every possible scenario. Few of us can see the immediate consequences of what unfolds.

As an optimist, I usually try to find a positive. I found a positive when we went out of the Uefa Cup after Martin fielded a weakened side(though I later became critical of this decision). I found a positive when O'Neill left. Surely this meant Randy had woken up to the fact we'd reached our ceiling with MON and needed a top class manager to break through to the top four. Surely this meant some quality players from the continent would arrive and the place would freshen up. When Houllier was appointed I thought we'd got a manager with a good track record who might surprise us. hen Bent was signed I thought, 'here we go', this is the Aston Villa of ambition that I knew we had got when Randy Lerner took over. When we parted with Houllier I thought we'd get a manager who was a better fit and that we'd finally start building again. I expected players would leave but that new ones would arrive. Even when we got McLeish I thought 'Randy knows what he's doing', I looked at his record and was swayed by some of the 'He's MON without the money' arguments on here. I reasoned that he'd stabilise us as a top ten outfit then be given the green light to push on towards top 6 again. Even though galled that top players were not replaced last summer, I reasoned there was some masterplan at work and that come January we'd make three or four top signings (like in 2007).

Having spent the morning reflecting on Aston Villa, a few things have struck me. As a season of torture has unfolded, it's hard to conceptualise how far we have fallen in eighteen months. (By the way I don't want people jumping on me for being negative here or for talking the club down or anything. This stuff means a lot to me and I spent a bit of time committing this to keyboard. )

Here's a few quotes to sum up how I feel right now. Go back to the day MON walked. Randy said 'Martin and I no longer shared a common vision of how to move forward'. Go back to the day Houllier was appointed villa manager. Houllier said 'Aston Villa are the kind of club that belong 7th to 12th in the Premier League'. Go back to last summer. Why do you think Martinez turned us down? He was being asked to do an impossible job. He was being asked to come in to dismantle the remnants of the side that had been top 6 three seasons in a row and to rebuild with no funds available. Martinez decided Wigan was a better bet. In desperation, the board chased McLeish. The manager who relegated our rivals twice! (Again, don't jump on me. I have never ever had a problem with where he came from. I have always given him a chance. I only mention this because it was sure to be a factor in how the new manager would be accepted by the fans). It was an appointment that was sure to divide the fans.

So we got the worst of all possible worlds with McLeish. He didn't arrive with a clean slate, he arrived with considerable baggage and was sure to divide our supporters. His appointment was a statement of mediocrity and lack of ambition. He was then expected to cut our wage bill and accept bids for our senior players. Attendances were sure to fall as it was the most unambitious summer down Villa Park since the dark days of Doug Ellis. We are in the midst of the perfect storm.  We need to be united, we need to pull the club out of this (the way we did last season by getting behind the team), but we are being given nothing to cheer. We have had the heart ripped out of us.

We'll have to just get behind the team and manager now. Randy will not sack McLeish, he can't. He appointed him, he probably doesn't care so long as the wage bill is reduced and we are more self sufficient. I'd wager Randy doesn't een know where we are in the table. Randy has made a right mess. As fans, we have to hope and do our bit to claw us out of it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2012, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
I voted 'no'.

It's always easy to over react after a loss, and I'm sure not all of you are doing that, but he needs to be judged after 38 games.
John, I admire your loyalty and patience.
But, after 25 (league) games I think I have seen enough to make a sound judgement.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 10:44:38 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2012, 09:36:26 AM
"The soul-destroying nature of many of their performances should be of concern to anyone with a vested interest in the club. "

Nail, head, hit

Don't read the Guardian but that line sums up where we are

Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: eastie on February 13, 2012, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 09:42:48 AM
I voted 'no'.

It's always easy to over react after a loss, and I'm sure not all of you are doing that, but he needs to be judged after 38 games.

why wait till we are maybe down ? I have seen enough to suggest this man will not turn things around and randy must take a lot of the blame but ultimately a new manager could provide the impetus and knowhow to avoid relegation-enough is enough and the time to act is now -although i dont believe lerner has the balls to admit his mistake and our agony will continue under the 3 stooges in charge , aka lerner, faulkner and mcleish.

Paul lambert would be my choice but whether he would leave norwich to work for these clowns is doubtful.

Mainly because I don't think we will go down.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 13, 2012, 10:51:21 AM
"We were never going to go gung ho against City because we haven't got the players to do that"

He was saying similar things when he managed Blues He said at the beginning of the season he would achieve more with better players here

I think he would be capable of relegating anybody with his negativity and inferiority complex

Go now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on February 13, 2012, 10:51:21 AM
"We were never going to go gung ho against City because we haven't got the players to do that"

He was saying similar things when he managed Blues He said at the beginning of the season he would achieve more with better players here

I think he would be capable of relegating anybody with his negativity and inferiority complex

Go now

It's infuriating, in that he doesn't seem to learn his lesson and falls back to old habits.

I know City are a good side (although in a bit of a slump, they'd had some iffy results away from home of late, and weren't at their best yesterday), but you have people paying 40 plus quid to go and watch that, you at least owe them an attempt to actually get something from the game.

For all the bleating on about how fans don't like him because of x, y and z, and how the irritation of the fans passes through to the players on the pitch, compare and contrast yesterday's ambition-free bilge with the approach against Arsenal.

Yes, we lost both matches, but were incredibly unfortunate to do so against Arsenal, having had a right go at them, and got applauded off the pitch, and then went on to win at Chelsea.

I would really hate to be the person in charge of selling season tickets next season, as I really think we are going to struggle to sell tickets to watch us toil and struggle to keep the score down against big teams (whilst failing to do much against weaker teams).

McLeish's post match interviews made the situation even worse. No, Villa fans do not just want to see players sweat blood, Alex, and no, we were not in any way unlucky to get nothing from the game. We deserved what we got - fuck all.

We are gradually becoming the sort of team the rest of the league hates and would be glad to see go down, and that's down to one man, the manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Eigentor on February 13, 2012, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 12, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
15th place going into mid Feb? He's underperforming, whichever way you want to cut it.

But as mentioned elsewhere, his record so far is about as good as GH was at the same stage last season. And GH had Downing, Young, NRC etc. (though, granted, was less fortunate/even more unfortunate with injuries).

The difference is that GH dared to claim that he had thought of a path forward: ship out the troublemakers and well-paid slackers, and try to build a new team based on a more healthy ethic. AM has his hands tied behind his back, and lacks the team-building experience and knowledge of GH. Thus hope is reduced. But in terms of points on board, he's no worse than the Frenchman.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 13, 2012, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 12, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
15th place going into mid Feb? He's underperforming, whichever way you want to cut it.

But as mentioned elsewhere, his record so far is about as good as GH was at the same stage last season. And GH had Downing, Young, NRC etc. (though, granted, was less fortunate/even more unfortunate with injuries).

The difference is that GH dared to claim that he had thought of a path forward: ship out the troublemakers and well-paid slackers, and try to build a new team based on a more healthy ethic. AM has his hands tied behind his back, and lacks the team-building experience and knowledge of GH. Thus hope is reduced. But in terms of points on board, he's no worse than the Frenchman.

Don't forget, Houllier was parachuted into a club in utter disarray after the season had started.

McLeish had practically the whole summer and pre-season, and had the chance to get his own players in.

Against Man United at home last season, in the midst of the worst injury crisis in years, we were forced to start with Hogg and Bannan in the middle, but we had a right go at them. McLeish's approach would be entirely different.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimbo on February 13, 2012, 11:02:35 AM
Mick McCarthy has been booted out by the dogheads. Would anyone swap him for McLeish for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 13, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
The scary thought is if he were to go you just know that Steve Bruce would come in!
I also know for a fact that Bruce was desperate for the Villa job when it was available last time!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Reuben on February 13, 2012, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 13, 2012, 11:02:35 AM
Mick McCarthy has been booted out by the dogheads. Would anyone swap him for McLeish for the rest of the season?
No

If we are to get rid then I'd prefer MacDonald/Cowans to see out the season
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 13, 2012, 11:05:08 AM
I see Wolves have acted swiftly.
Now would be a perfect time to get rid of AM as we have a two week break now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: spk on February 13, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
This may have been said before,I dont know and dare I say it,what about poaching Houghton from sha?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:10:14 AM
Quote from: spk on February 13, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
This may have been said before,I dont know and dare I say it,what about poaching Houghton from sha?

If the choice were "go forward with Hughton or McLeish", I'd take Hughton every single time.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
McLeish had practically the whole summer and pre-season, and had the chance to get his own players in.

That time doesn't help too much when he had no money to spend.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: spk on February 13, 2012, 11:13:03 AM
Too right,his record at both nufc and sha is excellent,decent level headed ambitous young manager,would be great for us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mattjpa on February 13, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
Great post irish, sums up how i feel as well. This is prob a post for the post match thread but ill share it here as it probably falls on McLeish to address:
It struck me early on during the game and thus I looked out for it during the match but I noticed time and time again how the players were only interested in hitting the ball forward aimlessly. This ranged from 50-50headers on the half way line to defenders playing the ball out from defence, to clearances from corners. Just time and time again forward balls to players under pressure which almost always came back. It was like they didnt want the ball and were just desperate for it not to be them that lost it so hit it in the direction of someone else. I then thought about a highlight reel (i think it was the neviller that put it together) of Swansea that showed their players dropping shoulders, defenders taking risks, passing back, forward, playing in triangles, 20-30 passes before attempting to breach a defence - anything just to hit a man in a good position and not loose the ball, to make some space and try to play football. Technically, i would say they are worse footballers than we have but have a different mindset and think this is probably down to confidence. We defend so deep, our strikers are so isolated, I cannot believe AMC sets us up to play like this.
The problem is how do you arrest a complete lack of confidence? MON has done it at sunderland and they are a completely different team. Our squad is capable of what sunderland have done of late but if the management are incapable of arresting this slide they either need to go or need an addition that is - a man motivator or sports psycologist or something.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
McLeish had practically the whole summer and pre-season, and had the chance to get his own players in.

That time doesn't help too much when he had no money to spend.

He managed to spend £18m, John. That's not a massive amount, and he lost two players in the summer, but it's still money.

The no money argument doesn't really stack up too well, anyway, when you consider how little he's getting out of the players he does have.

He had a £20m striker up front yesterday, who must have touched the ball about three times all afternoon.

We are just so ambitionless. Yesterday I was cringeing watching that nonsense.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 13, 2012, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: spk on February 13, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
This may have been said before,I dont know and dare I say it,what about poaching Houghton from sha?
I'd love it Unfortunately the board are so stupid they wouldn't dare because they think we would hate him being from Blues
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 11:20:35 AM
Wouldn't surprise me to see Steve bruce at wolves- they have acted fast and given themselves a chance to turn things around but randy I fear can't see the wood for the trees and probably thinks everything is fine and dandy if he believed mcleishs ridiculous aftermath comments yesterday.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
McLeish had practically the whole summer and pre-season, and had the chance to get his own players in.

That time doesn't help too much when he had no money to spend.

He managed to spend £18m, John. That's not a massive amount, and he lost two players in the summer, but it's still money.

The no money argument doesn't really stack up too well, anyway, when you consider how little he's getting out of the players he does have.

He had a £20m striker up front yesterday, who must have touched the ball about three times all afternoon.

We are just so ambitionless. Yesterday I was cringeing watching that nonsense.

I agree to an extent, but the squad now is noticably weaker than the one that finished 9th last season.  When you take into account than none of the departures were down to him and the relatively small amount of money available to find replacements, then it is a contributing factor.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 13, 2012, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 13, 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
McLeish had practically the whole summer and pre-season, and had the chance to get his own players in.

That time doesn't help too much when he had no money to spend.

He managed to spend £18m, John. That's not a massive amount, and he lost two players in the summer, but it's still money.

The no money argument doesn't really stack up too well, anyway, when you consider how little he's getting out of the players he does have.

He had a £20m striker up front yesterday, who must have touched the ball about three times all afternoon.

We are just so ambitionless. Yesterday I was cringeing watching that nonsense.

It is a valid point. And the 18 million he spent - did he spread it well? I am not so sure, especially with the lack of central midfield options and the letting go of Makoun.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: David_Nab on February 13, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
I have no faith in him at all.The tatics and team selection yesterday was a shambles.I am so sick of seeing Heskey played wide so we can lump balls to him to flick on they inveriably lose us the ball ..time and time again.

His record is pretty much indentical to Blose last year so HE is the problem.

Ireland and Nzog are far from perfect but we are a better attacking team with them.Instead he plays and instructs Albrighton and Heskey to cover the fullback and neither of them were an attacking threat.The strikers were isolated till the last 5 mins.We played for a draw and got what we deserved.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 11:28:25 AM
mcleish had only £18m to spend is the defence of some people - exactly how much did Norwich and Swansea spend? They both have ambitious young managers who play entertaining and attractive football with hungry players and squads costing vastly less than our overpaid bunch of wasters- lambert or rogers would be a great improvement on mcleish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 13, 2012, 11:37:17 AM
Before yesterday I would have said no. I was slowly coming round to him and thought he'd put those surrender  performances behind him.  However he reverted to type,  and it looks as if his true colours will always come to the fore in times of pressure.  That ultra-cautious, ambitonless, gutless, defeatist, self-defeating, anti-football type is not worthy of being in charge of a venerable and respected institution like Aston Villa FC.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Merv on February 13, 2012, 11:51:43 AM
No, no, no... it's not about the money he's spent, or the money he hasn't had to spend! Aside from the small fact, of course, that he paid £10m for a player who seems to be the first guy he drops, and a player he has consistently failed to get anywhere near the best from. But I'm digressing.

McLeish just doesn't have it. He's working with restrictions, sure, but that was part of the deal - his whole approach to the game is flawed, as we've seen with some of his selections this season. He wanted to stifle and contain City yesterday; I actually don't have a huge problem with that, but to think the best way to do that was to put Cuellar (who coped okay, but then generally does put in a steady performance wherever he's asked to play) at LB, and Heskey right-midfield (left-midfield v Spurs, anyone?) - forcing Albrighton to a weaker role wide on the left, just beggars belief. There were several other ways we could have set up yesterday that would have been preferable, IMO, and given us a better chance of competing.

To even begin to think that a player of Heskey's type can thrive in that role is ridiculous; we should only be using him as a centre-forward, off the bench. There's nothing at all in his career to date to suggest he can play that role. I think AM put him there because 'he's big, and could maybe block a bit'. Dreadful.

He then claimed, in the infamous post-match interview, that the game plan had been 'excellent'. Really? He's had a week to work on preparation (I'll concede Clark getting injured forced a change but the fundamentals of his strategy would have remained the same) and that's the best he can put together?

There's a mantra going round that AM deserves time to get better. The flipside is, he doesn't get better. I don't think he will. I'm not entirely sure he should be judged after 38 games - who makes up that rule? Some managers have far less time, if it's obvious things aren't riight. Is he going to radically change his football philosophy in 13 games? I doubt it. He'll retreat further into his bewildered shell ('we just need to win a game....') with no real idea of how to move forward.

I'm raging. Not a knee jerk reaction to a defeat, but I cannot believe the ineptitude of some his decisions this time. Well, I can: I saw it coming. And that makes it worse.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 11:58:53 AM
Can I change my answer to NO now that McCarthy has been sacked?  Im worried that our stupid board could sack Eck and then appoint MM!  :o
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Simba on February 13, 2012, 12:04:34 PM
Losing to Man City by one goal is not a crime.

Playing for a draw at home, playing so deep that we were under constant pressure, playing players out of position, consistantly starving two great forwards, utilising Heskey as defence for the defenders, applying tactics out of cowardice - when the team has proven to be pretty good when unshackled -  that is a crime.

After being patient I now find him guilty as charged and am taking his previous convictions into account as he is clearly not rehabilitated. Charge:  cowardice in the face of the enemy.

Pass me the black hoody thing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: itbrvilla on February 13, 2012, 12:12:52 PM
Dread to think who they would bring in to replace him!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2012, 12:27:20 PM
I think he should go, but we need more of a change than just that. We need a person who has knowledge of football to help the board hire the correct person who can move us forward. We need to be a progressive team and take the approach of Swansea or Norwich rather than play stoneage football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Eigentor on February 13, 2012, 12:38:49 PM
I agree with PaulWinch. The road to success isn't for the board to sack McLeish and appoint a random replacement.

What we need is Randy Lerner to stop surrounding himself exclusively with cronies and people who he regards as great conversationalists and get someone with football knowledge to run the club. That someone could then spend the time from now until the summer to assess whether we have a structure for success at the club (including the right manager).
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: bilsim on February 13, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 13, 2012, 12:12:52 PM
Dread to think who they would bring in to replace him!!

this is probably why people need to think before calling for his head
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 13, 2012, 12:43:05 PM
If he went now we would end up with someone like Curbishley I would imagine. Who I would take over McLeish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KRS on February 13, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
I havent read all of this thread, but if AM is sacked then who would replace him? There arent many suitable candidates available at the moment other than Guus Hiddink. Is he available and is Guus Hiddink a realistic target?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 12:52:02 PM
I just hope the takeover rumours are true. I don't trust Randy bringing us forward. He has a poor track record at making appointments (both here and NFL Browns) and has wasted alot of money over the years here without thinking the contracts through. He also paid compenstation to McLeish. How many Villa season ticket funds would automatically be directed to SHA by that prospect?

Randy Lerner is an incredibly stupid man and if we're relegated then I won't have any sympathy for him because he's gonna be affected the most. All those millions down the drain.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: NeilH on February 13, 2012, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: KRS on February 13, 2012, 12:51:10 PM
Is he available and is Guus Hiddink a realistic target?

He is, as is Van Gaal who has lost his battle with Crujiff for control at Ajax.
Neither of them would touch us with a hundred foot bargepole though and I suspect that Hiddink will be at Chelsea performing a salvage job before the season is done.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 13, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
Well, he should never have been appointed in the first place, but while he's our Manager we ought to back him as much as we can.

Randy is the one I blame, he really is poor at appointing Managers - why we didn't get Hughes in I'll never know.

Perhaps someone knows why ?

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 13, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
I actually think Gary McAllister would have done a far better job. Not sure on Hughes, he will do well to keep QPR up.

He does deserve to go but there is nobody decent to take over or who would want to.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 13, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
Well, he should never have been appointed in the first place, but while he's our Manager we ought to back him as much as we can.

Randy is the one I blame, he really is poor at appointing Managers - why we didn't get Hughes in I'll never know.

Perhaps someone knows why ?

The rumours were that we wanted about 10 people brought in with him, meaning if/when he left we'd be fucked, just like when MON left with his coaches.

It's no coincidence Sid and K-Mac are now heavily involved with the first team.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2012, 12:59:05 PM
We can't afford to sack him!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Karl Bridges on February 13, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
I heard about a very interesting conversation someone had with Big Eck, someone who hates him & thinks he should be sacked. NOt sure it's fair on him to make it public. Doesn't paint a very good picture about what's going on at VP.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 13, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
I don't think it is the time to keep things under cover..
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on February 13, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
I heard about a very interesting conversation someone had with Big Eck, someone who hates him & thinks he should be sacked. NOt sure it's fair on him to make it public. Doesn't paint a very good picture about what's going on at VP.

Come on spill the beans !
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 13, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on February 13, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
I heard about a very interesting conversation someone had with Big Eck, someone who hates him & thinks he should be sacked. NOt sure it's fair on him to make it public. Doesn't paint a very good picture about what's going on at VP.


You can't just say that and then stay schtum, I'll be thinking about this conversation now all afternoon, that's not fair.

The only thing I have heard, and this is from a very well known player of the eighties who is a friend of mine and knows a certain Sharon, the club is listening to offers and is openly looking for a buyer. That's it.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 13, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on February 13, 2012, 01:04:45 PM
I heard about a very interesting conversation someone had with Big Eck, someone who hates him & thinks he should be sacked. NOt sure it's fair on him to make it public. Doesn't paint a very good picture about what's going on at VP.

Sidney or Kevin Mac?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DBTW on February 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
I was always in the 'back the manager' camp until yesterday, in injury time, we are losing 1-0 when our centre half gets injured. We need a goal, we need to attach in numbers, so what player does he bring on.....another centre half.

That proved to me his lack of confidence in his own tactical beliefs. Surely when you need a goal an attacking player should be bought on, but no, a defender to keep it at just the one.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 13, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: DBTW on February 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
I was always in the 'back the manager' camp until yesterday, in injury time, we are losing 1-0 when our centre half gets injured. We need a goal, we need to attach in numbers, so what player does he bring on.....another centre half.

That proved to me his lack of confidence in his own tactical beliefs. Surely when you need a goal an attacking player should be bought on, but no, a defender to keep it at just the one.

Disgusting.

How about Heskey wide right, leaves Zog on the bench, brings him on and finally we begin to attack them, so he leaves 2 players like Ireland and Zog on the bench till late in the game, 2 players, certainly 1 of them that has been on good form of late.

Hopeless.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: DBTW on February 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
I was always in the 'back the manager' camp until yesterday, in injury time, we are losing 1-0 when our centre half gets injured. We need a goal, we need to attach in numbers, so what player does he bring on.....another centre half.

That proved to me his lack of confidence in his own tactical beliefs. Surely when you need a goal an attacking player should be bought on, but no, a defender to keep it at just the one.

Disgusting.

That was telling. How many villa managers from the past would have done that? I remember villa managers throwing ugo Ehiogu up as an extra striker in games where we needed a goal. McLeish isn't right for the club.After yesterday's interview I have a feeling he knows that himself.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 13, 2012, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: DBTW on February 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
I was always in the 'back the manager' camp until yesterday, in injury time, we are losing 1-0 when our centre half gets injured. We need a goal, we need to attach in numbers, so what player does he bring on.....another centre half.

That proved to me his lack of confidence in his own tactical beliefs. Surely when you need a goal an attacking player should be bought on, but no, a defender to keep it at just the one.

Disgusting.

With the amount of time we had left it was 'put it in the mixer' type stuff, where our best chance was a set piece.  Who's more likely to get on the end of one - Baker or Bannan?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
The worst one is dropping Ireland. He's the reason why we've been looking good lately. He dropped him the second half against Newcastle and nearly the full match against City (his former club).

Must be horrible playing for McLeish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Lee on February 13, 2012, 01:34:11 PM
Quote from: DBTW on February 13, 2012, 01:22:17 PM
I was always in the 'back the manager' camp until yesterday, in injury time, we are losing 1-0 when our centre half gets injured. We need a goal, we need to attach in numbers, so what player does he bring on.....another centre half.

That proved to me his lack of confidence in his own tactical beliefs. Surely when you need a goal an attacking player should be bought on, but no, a defender to keep it at just the one.

Disgusting.

I'm with you Dave. I had to work most of the day yesterday and didn't make the game, but caught his comments on Sky post match.

The words deluded come to mind.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2012, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 10:57:27 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on February 13, 2012, 10:51:21 AM
"We were never going to go gung ho against City because we haven't got the players to do that"

He was saying similar things when he managed Blues He said at the beginning of the season he would achieve more with better players here

I think he would be capable of relegating anybody with his negativity and inferiority complex

Go now

It's infuriating, in that he doesn't seem to learn his lesson and falls back to old habits.

I know City are a good side (although in a bit of a slump, they'd had some iffy results away from home of late, and weren't at their best yesterday), but you have people paying 40 plus quid to go and watch that, you at least owe them an attempt to actually get something from the game.

For all the bleating on about how fans don't like him because of x, y and z, and how the irritation of the fans passes through to the players on the pitch, compare and contrast yesterday's ambition-free bilge with the approach against Arsenal.

Yes, we lost both matches, but were incredibly unfortunate to do so against Arsenal, having had a right go at them, and got applauded off the pitch, and then went on to win at Chelsea.

I would really hate to be the person in charge of selling season tickets next season, as I really think we are going to struggle to sell tickets to watch us toil and struggle to keep the score down against big teams (whilst failing to do much against weaker teams).

McLeish's post match interviews made the situation even worse. No, Villa fans do not just want to see players sweat blood, Alex, and no, we were not in any way unlucky to get nothing from the game. We deserved what we got - fuck all.

We are gradually becoming the sort of team the rest of the league hates and would be glad to see go down, and that's down to one man, the manager.

Precisely how I feel. Fundamentally the issue is that Mcleish has a complete misunderstanding of what football fans will accept. We accepted a heroic defeat against Arsenal, because we played some good stuff and had a right go. Yesterday we got what we deserved and it would have been a complete robbery had we got any points. He's got to go, because he just does not understand. If Randy wants to increase revenue he needs a manager who is going to offer a much better product for the punters to watch.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Lee on February 13, 2012, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 10:40:40 AM
I've done a lot of thinking this morning. Randy will not sack McLeish. Not a hope. I've arrived at a few inconvenient truths too. Bear with me.

As fans, we are emotionally involved so we often don't see the wood for the trees. We have a passion for what happens at the club so it is difficult for us to coldly analyse events as they unfold. We live and breath the club and kick every ball, jump for every header and dive into every 50:50. By nature we are divided into optimists and pessimists. Some of us wish to see a positive outcome in everything that happens Aston Villa. Others can instantly see the pitfalls of every possible scenario. Few of us can see the immediate consequences of what unfolds.

As an optimist, I usually try to find a positive. I found a positive when we went out of the Uefa Cup after Martin fielded a weakened side(though I later became critical of this decision). I found a positive when O'Neill left. Surely this meant Randy had woken up to the fact we'd reached our ceiling with MON and needed a top class manager to break through to the top four. Surely this meant some quality players from the continent would arrive and the place would freshen up. When Houllier was appointed I thought we'd got a manager with a good track record who might surprise us. hen Bent was signed I thought, 'here we go', this is the Aston Villa of ambition that I knew we had got when Randy Lerner took over. When we parted with Houllier I thought we'd get a manager who was a better fit and that we'd finally start building again. I expected players would leave but that new ones would arrive. Even when we got McLeish I thought 'Randy knows what he's doing', I looked at his record and was swayed by some of the 'He's MON without the money' arguments on here. I reasoned that he'd stabilise us as a top ten outfit then be given the green light to push on towards top 6 again. Even though galled that top players were not replaced last summer, I reasoned there was some masterplan at work and that come January we'd make three or four top signings (like in 2007).

Having spent the morning reflecting on Aston Villa, a few things have struck me. As a season of torture has unfolded, it's hard to conceptualise how far we have fallen in eighteen months. (By the way I don't want people jumping on me for being negative here or for talking the club down or anything. This stuff means a lot to me and I spent a bit of time committing this to keyboard. )

Here's a few quotes to sum up how I feel right now. Go back to the day MON walked. Randy said 'Martin and I no longer shared a common vision of how to move forward'. Go back to the day Houllier was appointed villa manager. Houllier said 'Aston Villa are the kind of club that belong 7th to 12th in the Premier League'. Go back to last summer. Why do you think Martinez turned us down? He was being asked to do an impossible job. He was being asked to come in to dismantle the remnants of the side that had been top 6 three seasons in a row and to rebuild with no funds available. Martinez decided Wigan was a better bet. In desperation, the board chased McLeish. The manager who relegated our rivals twice! (Again, don't jump on me. I have never ever had a problem with where he came from. I have always given him a chance. I only mention this because it was sure to be a factor in how the new manager would be accepted by the fans). It was an appointment that was sure to divide the fans.

So we got the worst of all possible worlds with McLeish. He didn't arrive with a clean slate, he arrived with considerable baggage and was sure to divide our supporters. His appointment was a statement of mediocrity and lack of ambition. He was then expected to cut our wage bill and accept bids for our senior players. Attendances were sure to fall as it was the most unambitious summer down Villa Park since the dark days of Doug Ellis. We are in the midst of the perfect storm.  We need to be united, we need to pull the club out of this (the way we did last season by getting behind the team), but we are being given nothing to cheer. We have had the heart ripped out of us.

We'll have to just get behind the team and manager now. Randy will not sack McLeish, he can't. He appointed him, he probably doesn't care so long as the wage bill is reduced and we are more self sufficient. I'd wager Randy doesn't een know where we are in the table. Randy has made a right mess. As fans, we have to hope and do our bit to claw us out of it.

Spot on!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: NeilH on February 13, 2012, 01:39:18 PM
Okay, let me turn it around a little. You’re Randy Lerner, you’ve appointed a manager against all fan advice because you’ve been told, and firmly believe, that there is no man better qualified to lead Villa through a difficult period of cuts. Over the last couple of seasons you’ve forked out millions in compensation to failed managers and now 24 games into the tenure of this new manager (of whom you’ve had to compensate his old employers) it’s going wrong.

You stand to lose millions of pounds on top of the millions you’ve already paid out for previous decision AND to make things worse, you stand to have fans and press alike scream ‘I told you so’ at you.

What would you do, if you were Lerner?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 01:42:43 PM
Lerner will lose far more in revenue being relegated than he will lose by sacking mcleish- last season he dug deep to save us by signing bent, this season he needs to pull the trigger and fast, dither at your peril randy!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: NeilH on February 13, 2012, 01:39:18 PM
Okay, let me turn it around a little. You’re Randy Lerner, you’ve appointed a manager against all fan advice because you’ve been told, and firmly believe, that there is no man better qualified to lead Villa through a difficult period of cuts. Over the last couple of seasons you’ve forked out millions in compensation to failed managers and now 24 games into the tenure of this new manager (of whom you’ve had to compensate his old employers) it’s going wrong.

You stand to lose millions of pounds on top of the millions you’ve already paid out for previous decision AND to make things worse, you stand to have fans and press alike scream ‘I told you so’ at you.

What would you do, if you were Lerner?


The bottom line is appointing Mcleish was a mistake on a number of levels, and Lerner would get a lot more respect for admitting he made a mistake and trying to rectify it. He needs football people to advise him and stop listening to people who know nothing about the game. The fact we went from a team trying to adapt to a modern approach under Houllier, then looking at a similar man in Martinez and then go full circle and appoint Mcleish shows how shambolic it all is.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pooligan on February 13, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
After yesterdays approach to the game and then his interview afterwards he should walk.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: django on February 13, 2012, 02:06:25 PM
Interesting reading the views of non-Villa fans on a couple of threads on the Guardian website. Mcleish is being universally panned and much sympathy being thrown our way.

Its quite interesting to read because due to the partisan nature of football it can be quite hard to get a clear picture when you're too close to something. (See Livepool fans hilarious conspiracy theories re Suarez affair, or my feeling that Savage had faked it when Dion nutted him)

I think that's one of the reasons that some our more patient fans have tried to give the manager a bit more time, trying not to have a knee-jerk response. Thing is some people are trying so hard to give him the benefit of the doubt that they are maybe turning a blind eye to what everyone else can see, he's doing a thoroughly rotten job. Just as Houllier did last season.   

After the bizarre appointment they made last time I have no faith in the board to appoint anyone better, but i doubt they could get it much worse.

For what it's worth i had a look at the fixtures and don't think we'll go down, but if we don't get a win in one of the next couple of games i wouldn't put any money on it. That i am looking at the upcoming fixtures of our 'relegation rivals' for a second successive season when we have international players for every position says it all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Boz on February 13, 2012, 02:09:19 PM
There has been many erudite posts on this thread on both sides of the fence about whether AM should go or stay.

Personally, I think Steve Morgan at Wolves has grasped the nettle, albeit he probably didn't want to, but Premiership status is something the club need and didn't look like achieving under Mick.

At B6 we have an owner we are told this weekend will support a big signing in the summer and today we see in the Mirror, AM is after another player from over the border. Doesn't this emphasis AM's lack of ambition. We need a LB, but what's this sort of speculation telling the players we already have who are possibilities for this position. In addition, RL needs to be aware that the summer may be too late if our 7 point buffer continues to erode, as it well might, based on Sunday's performance.

RL needs to think long and hard about VP, because despite his often stated desire for Villa to succeed, his investment is losing value, which alongside a drop into the Championship would be disasterous, especially if the SHA were promoted. It's not as ridiculous as it might seem.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
Quote from: pooligan on February 13, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
After yesterdays approach to the game and then his interview afterwards he should walk.

That would require McLeish to do the honourable thing and we know he's incapable of that.

Ditched his home international team for the shit down the road and then sent them a sloppy email, while they were on the brink of administration, so he could come here.

He's here purely for the money and he won't walk away from millions. He's in a win-win situation. If he keeps us up he'll probably keep his job, but if he sends us down he'll be awarded handsomely with a nice compensation.

Randy should always be mocked as the 'Boss'. What kind of owner hires someone who caused another company to lose multi millions? He did it straight after as well. Who does that in the real world or even football? McLeish sent down a club and Randy awarded him a massive wage rise and another shot in the Premier League. Why? How stupid can a person be? He wasn't even a cheap option and the fans were certainly against him. Terrible excuse of an chairman.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr underhill on February 13, 2012, 02:26:58 PM
At the moment we are a group of internationals and an excuse of a team.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 13, 2012, 02:27:35 PM
No point in him going if there is no backing for a potential new Manager.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: django on February 13, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
A few quotes from non-villa fans on that Guardian thread..

"That was far from Villa's worst performance of the season. Anybody who watched their 11 men behind the ball display whilst 3 goals down to Spurs will testify to that. I'm no Villa van, they can get relegated or finish 10th for all I care, but I can't stand to see McLeish in charge at what should be a top half Premier League side. Everybody, never mind the poor Villa fans who pay to go, can live without his pathetic brand of football. I mean, Heskey, one of the very least technically gifted footballers of all time, on the wing? In the process, putting Albrighton, one of your better players, onto the left out of position? Whats the logic? Where's the logic in doggedly defending when you are already losing? I just can't get my head around it. Unless he has decided that his one ambition for Villa, former European Cup winners, 40,000+ stadium, productive youth system and all, is to avoid relegation and he is worried it will come down to goal difference. Perverse."



"Mcleish on the other hand, crickey!
When he made the move to Villa, these blogs were full of outraged Villa supporters; they kept being told "Oh, its only because he used to coach your rivals, don't be so tribal, give the man a chance".... Now do you see why they were like this"



"I've watched Villa a few times on the box and saw them at Spurs this season. Their performance could only be described as meek. I was robbed of the joy of victory because how can you claim to have beaten someone if they haven't even tried to play? Wigan, Wolves, Blackburn et al maybe at the bottom but they cannot be faulted for effort. Villa were pathetic. They play as if Mccleish has instructed them to Get out there, roll over, and die.
What's strange is they actually have a good squad of players. Villa fans-what the fuck is going on over there?"



"McLeish is the advocate of defeatism. Sets up his team to do fudge all for 85 minutes only to try and nick something out of the match in the last 5 minutes. Pathetic.
Manchester City didn't even have to defend other then that Hart save -- which came at the end. So glad they got the three points."



"There's probably only a single person on this Earth who thinks playing Emile Heskey as a rght sided defensive midfielder is a good idea. And by the strangest of coincidences, he's found himself managing Aston Villa."



"Commiserations to the Villa fans too, how do you put up with McLeish flavoured football every week? Their's a decent team there too, why play such a drab and grinding brand of football?"



"Aston Villa are absoutely terrible to watch.
There is no other team in the Premier League who are consistently devoid of effort and belief.
That was exceptionally poor stuff"



"Give McLeish the England job so I never have to watch one of his teams play football again."




"The worrying thing for Villa is McLeish can do the Birmingham double. What the hell was Lerner smoking when he appointed him? On the basis of winning a cup with a freak goal at the end and a club with money they didn't even have to buy players?
At least with Steve Kean, Blackburn set up to try and win games. Other than the Arsenal game last week and Manchester City a few weeks ago, they have been in every single game, trying to give their best."
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 13, 2012, 02:36:27 PM
I'd forward those onto Nicky Key when she wonders why crowds are down....and that the perception of the outside world...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 13, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
What was the fans reaction at the end of the game? My stream stopped working in the last min.

What? Mr. 'I'm a cinsiderably better fan than yow' didn't even go? For shame.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: itbrvilla on February 13, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: django on February 13, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
A few quotes from non-villa fans on that Guardian thread..

"That was far from Villa's worst performance of the season. Anybody who watched their 11 men behind the ball display whilst 3 goals down to Spurs will testify to that. I'm no Villa van, they can get relegated or finish 10th for all I care, but I can't stand to see McLeish in charge at what should be a top half Premier League side. Everybody, never mind the poor Villa fans who pay to go, can live without his pathetic brand of football. I mean, Heskey, one of the very least technically gifted footballers of all time, on the wing? In the process, putting Albrighton, one of your better players, onto the left out of position? Whats the logic? Where's the logic in doggedly defending when you are already losing? I just can't get my head around it. Unless he has decided that his one ambition for Villa, former European Cup winners, 40,000+ stadium, productive youth system and all, is to avoid relegation and he is worried it will come down to goal difference. Perverse."



"Mcleish on the other hand, crickey!
When he made the move to Villa, these blogs were full of outraged Villa supporters; they kept being told "Oh, its only because he used to coach your rivals, don't be so tribal, give the man a chance".... Now do you see why they were like this"



"I've watched Villa a few times on the box and saw them at Spurs this season. Their performance could only be described as meek. I was robbed of the joy of victory because how can you claim to have beaten someone if they haven't even tried to play? Wigan, Wolves, Blackburn et al maybe at the bottom but they cannot be faulted for effort. Villa were pathetic. They play as if Mccleish has instructed them to Get out there, roll over, and die.
What's strange is they actually have a good squad of players. Villa fans-what the fuck is going on over there?"



"McLeish is the advocate of defeatism. Sets up his team to do fudge all for 85 minutes only to try and nick something out of the match in the last 5 minutes. Pathetic.
Manchester City didn't even have to defend other then that Hart save -- which came at the end. So glad they got the three points."



"There's probably only a single person on this Earth who thinks playing Emile Heskey as a rght sided defensive midfielder is a good idea. And by the strangest of coincidences, he's found himself managing Aston Villa."



"Commiserations to the Villa fans too, how do you put up with McLeish flavoured football every week? Their's a decent team there too, why play such a drab and grinding brand of football?"



"Aston Villa are absoutely terrible to watch.
There is no other team in the Premier League who are consistently devoid of effort and belief.
That was exceptionally poor stuff"



"Give McLeish the England job so I never have to watch one of his teams play football again."




"The worrying thing for Villa is McLeish can do the Birmingham double. What the hell was Lerner smoking when he appointed him? On the basis of winning a cup with a freak goal at the end and a club with money they didn't even have to buy players?
At least with Steve Kean, Blackburn set up to try and win games. Other than the Arsenal game last week and Manchester City a few weeks ago, they have been in every single game, trying to give their best."
All spot on.  Someone at the club must be concerned?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 13, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
What was the fans reaction at the end of the game? My stream stopped working in the last min.

What? Mr. 'I'm a cinsiderably better fan than yow' didn't even go? For shame.

Haha, yeah I'm sure the people who went got their moneys worth and were in love with McLeish's excellent tactics all the way.

No way I'm going to pay that pile of anti football bollocks and defeatist relegation manager. Stopped since Man Utd (which was basically the same performance as City, where Utd weren't even that good, yet they still won through their training performance). But if people want to get 'behind the manager' (which the vast majority don't seeing as the atmosphere is dead), then be my guess. Root for him/the team when it makes fuck all difference seeing as McLeish isn't even looking for a win at home.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Zhong Yi on February 13, 2012, 02:56:26 PM
comment regarding the 'birmingham double' is a seriously worrying thing and something that could happen to Aston Villa F.C - lets face it, who else wins a European Cup and gets relegated 3 years later? in other words when piss poor management is at the helm, history proves these fuck ups do happen to Villa and if that one does, then the board has to go. Why on earth the chairman never speaks out is a bloody mystery, he must be one cool customer thinking a season like this and then keeping quiet about it when everyone else connected to watching the team is livid.

on the other hand, the letter, the email and the deluded press interviews by the so called manager have been amateurish and a piss take - in my opinion. I also get annoyed when in these press chats how McLeish refers to the supporters as 'the Villa fans', like he is somehow detached from the actual fans, if you see what i mean -  sounding like his heart is not really in it, doesnt give a toss, a bit like Billy McNeill actually.

sack the numbnuts now and yeah as a previous poster suggested - go back for Brian Little, a Villa man. What the club could do with right now is a Villa man, who cares. I would even have John Gregory back.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2012, 02:57:14 PM
The atmosphere was weird at the end. Grim resignation is probably the best description.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 02:59:34 PM
All those quotes from non villa fans makes me Embarrassed being a villa fan.  All other people realise how pathetic we are except our board, PF and RL :-[
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Tony Boucher on February 13, 2012, 03:01:27 PM
Is there a link to Yorkie's comments (video)?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 13, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
I look at Villa and when I see Ireland starting I just think , mayb we will see the ball on the ground . As soon
as I see heskey I just think HOOF , might win ball but header will go back to opposition .
It was 78 minutes of dire brainless football just trying not to concede a goal ,  the only time we seemed to get Man ££ty on the rack and look like scoring  was when Ireland and Nogbia were on the pitch ( and Heskey off ) ,
why oh why , he didnt start with the team that finished and have a crack at them.  Im pretty depressed this morning.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 13, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: NeilH on February 13, 2012, 01:39:18 PM
Okay, let me turn it around a little. You’re Randy Lerner, you’ve appointed a manager against all fan advice because you’ve been told, and firmly believe, that there is no man better qualified to lead Villa through a difficult period of cuts. Over the last couple of seasons you’ve forked out millions in compensation to failed managers and now 24 games into the tenure of this new manager (of whom you’ve had to compensate his old employers) it’s going wrong.

You stand to lose millions of pounds on top of the millions you’ve already paid out for previous decision AND to make things worse, you stand to have fans and press alike scream ‘I told you so’ at you.

What would you do, if you were Lerner?


When you realise your 'compensation packages' are more than your transfer budget, it's time to realise you may be in the wrong game. For all the goodwill and intentions in the world, the Premier League is a cut throat business as Randy is finding out.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 13, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 13, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 13, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
What was the fans reaction at the end of the game? My stream stopped working in the last min.

What? Mr. 'I'm a cinsiderably better fan than yow' didn't even go? For shame.

Haha, yeah I'm sure the people who went got their moneys worth and were in love with McLeish's excellent tactics all the way.

No way I'm going to pay that pile of anti football bollocks and defeatist relegation manager. Stopped since Man Utd (which was basically the same performance as City, where Utd weren't even that good, yet they still won through their training performance). But if people want to get 'behind the manager' (which the vast majority don't seeing as the atmosphere is dead), then be my guess. Root for him/the team when it makes fuck all difference seeing as McLeish isn't even looking for a win at home.

So to be a proper Villa fan you have to not go to Villa games?

Riiiggghhhttt!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 03:15:53 PM
How would people feel if we gave it a proper go and lost?  I know for a fact that had we played really well and had a go at city only to lose, I wouldnt have been half as depressed as im feeling now.  I could have actually held my head up high and said, "atleast we genuinely tried"
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 13, 2012, 03:16:08 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 13, 2012, 03:10:59 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 13, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 13, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 12, 2012, 06:18:51 PM
What was the fans reaction at the end of the game? My stream stopped working in the last min.

What? Mr. 'I'm a cinsiderably better fan than yow' didn't even go? For shame.

Haha, yeah I'm sure the people who went got their moneys worth and were in love with McLeish's excellent tactics all the way.

No way I'm going to pay that pile of anti football bollocks and defeatist relegation manager. Stopped since Man Utd (which was basically the same performance as City, where Utd weren't even that good, yet they still won through their training performance). But if people want to get 'behind the manager' (which the vast majority don't seeing as the atmosphere is dead), then be my guess. Root for him/the team when it makes fuck all difference seeing as McLeish isn't even looking for a win at home.

So to be a proper Villa fan you have to not go to Villa games?

Riiiggghhhttt!

Tell me where I said that? Good luck.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2012, 03:18:15 PM
SKY and the other broadcasters will also be aware of the general football fan's perception of villa too.
It's a very dangerous game Randy is playing.  I can understand trying to balance the books in order to attract a buyer but revenues could plummet next season unless something drastic happens - i.e. a new owner.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 13, 2012, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 03:15:53 PM
How would people feel if we gave it a proper go and lost?  I know for a fact that had we played really well and had a go at city only to lose, I wouldnt have been half as depressed as im feeling now.  I could have actually held my head up high and said, "atleast we genuinely tried"

I think that about every match. As long as we are brave, I don't mind so much. Obviously, intelligence is helpful to getting results as well, but while it's three points for a win and one for a draw, going for the win is always better.

The way I think about it is that, whereas if you draw all your games you get 38 points, if you win half and lose half of your games you end up with 57. Seems a pretty good vindication of attacking football if you ask me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 13, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
Mcleish commented how it was only a 100 or so protesting and a small minority against him, after yesterday he may not be feeling so smug as the performance, tactics and aftermatch comments were disgusting- many more now seem to have had enough of this dross!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: john e on February 13, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 13, 2012, 03:15:53 PM
How would people feel if we gave it a proper go and lost?  I know for a fact that had we played really well and had a go at city only to lose, I wouldnt have been half as depressed as im feeling now.  I could have actually held my head up high and said, "atleast we genuinely tried"


we did against Arsenal, and most people were unhappy we lost but praised the team for the way they played.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: James on February 13, 2012, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 13, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: django on February 13, 2012, 02:30:53 PM
A few quotes from non-villa fans on that Guardian thread..

All spot on.  Someone at the club must be concerned?

You think?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 13, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
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Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Shoody on February 13, 2012, 06:17:49 PM
If we gave it a go and lost... I would be pretty annoyed and a bit disheartened - as I do not like losing and a bit angry at Man City's spending power. But by this morning, I would be excited for Wigan and mostly forgotten about yesterday.

But instead I was very annoyed, pissed off, bored and embarrassed yesterday. And just a little bit apathetic and a whole lot worried this morning.

I love Aston Villa. But I do not like Aston Villa at the moment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 13, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
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I am *so* stealing that, Lee.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Irish villain on February 13, 2012, 06:28:18 PM
I saw a tweet that he had resigned must be one of those fakes! Damn
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ketzster on February 13, 2012, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 13, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
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The only problem with that picture is Bent is far too far up the field. Would have been more realistic if he was in his own half of the centre circle
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 13, 2012, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
There came a point last season when things looked a bit sticky (we had to face Newcastle at home I think) when the Villa supporters seemed to draw a collective line underneath all the negativity surrounding the club and simply rallied around to help win a crucial three points.   I think we may well be  entering that kind of situation again.  McLeish will not be getting the bullet any time soon - we're all just going to have to roll our sleeves up and lift the club up the table.

I remember going into that game absolutely bricking it. 

A loss (or even a draw) and we were staring right down the barrel.

By collectively sticking together you must mean not turning on the players/ GH mid game, as the actual atmosphere was one of the most tension filled I have experienced.  The biggest roar came at the final whistle.   Up until that point, it's as if the whole ground expected that we'd throw it away. 

I sincerely hoped that would be our lowest point.  Indeed, with the pressure off in the next few games we actually looked a decent side (Wigan ay home apart).  But our brush with the lower reaches of the table didn't teach the powers that be owt seemingly.

I'm not advocating relegation at all, but maybe it will take a box on the nose of that magnitude to shake RL and Faulkner up a little.  To get back up we'd actually need to win games, and plan with that in mind.  Which would be a departure from the course we have set pretty much since September 2010. From GH's  '7th-12th' foot in mouth opening gambit through to McDoughnuts infinitely more negative approach, it's largely been about plodding on and trying to get away with it. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 13, 2012, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 13, 2012, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 12, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
There came a point last season when things looked a bit sticky (we had to face Newcastle at home I think) when the Villa supporters seemed to draw a collective line underneath all the negativity surrounding the club and simply rallied around to help win a crucial three points.   I think we may well be  entering that kind of situation again.  McLeish will not be getting the bullet any time soon - we're all just going to have to roll our sleeves up and lift the club up the table.

I remember going into that game absolutely bricking it. 

A loss (or even a draw) and we were staring right down the barrel.

By collectively sticking together you must mean not turning on the players/ GH mid game, as the actual atmosphere was one of the most tension filled I have experienced.  The biggest roar came at the final whistle.   Up until that point, it's as if the whole ground expected that we'd throw it away. 

I sincerely hoped that would be our lowest point.  Indeed, with the pressure off in the next few games we actually looked a decent side (Wigan ay home apart).  But our brush with the lower reaches of the table didn't teach the powers that be owt seemingly.

I'm not advocating relegation at all, but maybe it will take a box on the nose of that magnitude to shake RL and Faulkner up a little.  To get back up we'd actually need to win games, and plan with that in mind.  Which would be a departure from the course we have set pretty much since September 2010. From GH's  '7th-12th' foot in mouth opening gambit through to McDoughnuts infinitely more negative approach, it's largely been about plodding on and trying to get away with it. 

I was in the Upper Holte for that game and I remember during the last 10 minutes of that game we were defending like lions, but with out backs firmly against the wall and suddenly what felt like the entire stadium stood up and sang out a belting and emotional chorus of "come on Villa, come on villa, come on villa, come on!"

Really enjoyed that game.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: brian green on February 13, 2012, 08:22:22 PM
The next mark he makes on the paper is the trajectory of the ball from the X in goal over the other nine Xs and also over Bent.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 13, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
The thing is we had a better team last season with Kyle Walker , Young , Downing Reo Coker wqith Bent on the end of numerous chances do you really see the current side 'pulling together'
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 13, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
The thing is we had a better team last season with Kyle Walker , Young , Downing Reo Coker wqith Bent on the end of numerous chances do you really see the current side 'pulling together'

Of the 5 you mention, 1 wasn't our player, 2 we all knew would be leaving barring a miracle and the other is a notorious coward. And Bent will never get stuck in. It could be argued that the players you named had less reason than the current squad to pull together.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 13, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Walker was brilliant for us though, and Downing at that point was singing about how much he enjoyed it here. Bent was much more involved in team play due to tactics and was getting about 4-5 chances per game, and Reo Coker was still thought to be earning himself a new deal. Petrov also had 6-7 games out of the side mid season and came back in for that Newcastle game and was a beast for 90 minutes, lead the team and was a huge reason we got out of the mess so easily. That and the back 4 worked out how to defend, but then Luke Young and Walker were very good.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 13, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
I've just looked at the table, we really should be doing better, 15th!!!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:01:55 PM
The table's misleading, just as it was a while back when we were doing better. A win and we could  be back to 11th.  There just so much mediocrity in this league its shocking. A few years ago the likes of Norwich and Swansea would have really struggled - now they're probably a shoe-in for a mid-table finish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 13, 2012, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:01:55 PM
There just so much mediocrity in this league its shocking. A few years ago the likes of Norwich and Swansea would have really struggled - now they're probably a shoe-in for a mid-table finish.
Not sure that there's much more mediocrity now than there has been in the past, particularly amongst the bunch finishing between 6th - 12th where we normally end up.

In 2004 a side regularly featuring Gavin McCann, JLloyd Samuel, Liam Ridgewell and Darius Vassell finished sixth. And it's not as if the rest of the side were a bunch of superstars pulling them up to their level.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
well 2004 is not a few years ago Dave. To me anyway the recession has kicked in big time. I'd say only Citeh in this league have a vastly better side than they did 3 or 4 years ago. The likes of chelsea and United, as well as the also rans all seem weaker to me
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 13, 2012, 11:31:11 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
well 2004 is not a few years ago Dave. To me anyway the recession has kicked in big time. I'd say only Citeh in this league have a vastly better side than they did 3 or 4 years ago. The likes of chelsea and United, as well as the also rans all seem weaker to me
No, you're right Greg. It's clearly a lifetime ago.

Alright then, in 2008 a side regularly featuring Lee Carsley, James McFadden, Tony Hibbert and Alan Stubbs finished fifth. Where would a side featuring their equivalents finish now? Higher or lower?

I'd quite happily agree that Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool are weaker than they were then. But when your original point was that the majority of the league is weaker now than it was then, it's not particularly relevant.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
my point is it seeps down from the top. United don't replace Ronaldo, Arsenal don't replace Fabregas, chelsea stop buying top names (Torres i suppose). maybe i've missed it but who have wigan spent the N'Zogbia money on? where's bolton's cahill money gone? Same with us (though admittedly we know where that money's gone) There seems to be a general tightening of the belts across the league and a general lowering of standards, and i reckon MON's best side could have sneaked 4th this season.  without the catastrophic heskey purchase obv.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 13, 2012, 11:54:04 PM
So you point isn't that the league is getting weaker, your point is that teams don't spend as much money as they used to?

Which isn't the same thing at all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:58:57 PM
yeah there's absolutely no correlation between spending money and how good your team is...........

bottom line is say liverpool, Newcastle or chelsea, all were we were a few years ago. Now to my mind the Villa team of 3 or 4 years ago would beat them now, and in fact would give Manu and Citeh a game. Back then that wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
The first point - not particularly. The biggest factor in the success of a team is the amount you pay in wages, not what you pay in transfer fees.

And that Villa team of three or four years ago managed to 'give a game' and even beat all those teams even when they were the superstar-laden teams whose demise you are mourning.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 14, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 14, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
The first point - not particularly. The biggest factor in the success of a team is the amount you pay in wages, not what you pay in transfer fees.

And that Villa team of three or four years ago managed to 'give a game' and even beat all those teams even when they were the superstar-laden teams whose demise you are mourning.


The first point is just ridiculous as chelsea outspent the mancs in wages year after year and yet the mancs seem to be holding thier own. Likewise we outspent tottenham

As for the 2nd point I'm not mourning their demise. Just stating the obvious (to me anyway) that the Villa side of 3 or 4 years ago would be a shoe-in for a top 4 place today which say's to me anyway that the standards have fallen seeing it would have to finish above 6th. We have of course declined seriously since then but so have everyone else as well
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: olaftab on February 14, 2012, 12:27:59 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:40:59 PM
There seems to be a general tightening of the belts across the league and a general lowering of standards
This is rubbish. If you used the same analysis in the housing market than a fall in house prices would mean that quality of houses has gone down. This is not the case. It's a normalisation in the market place.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2012, 12:30:59 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 14, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 14, 2012, 12:06:01 AM
The first point - not particularly. The biggest factor in the success of a team is the amount you pay in wages, not what you pay in transfer fees.

And that Villa team of three or four years ago managed to 'give a game' and even beat all those teams even when they were the superstar-laden teams whose demise you are mourning.


The first point is just ridiculous as chelsea outspent the mancs in wages year after year and yet the mancs seem to be holding thier own. Likewise we outspent tottenham
It's fortunate then that I said 'the biggest factor' not 'the only factor' then isn't it?

And as that's what actual research, statistics and data analysis seems to suggest - I'll take that over the gregnash 'paranoia and fuzzy logic theory'.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 14, 2012, 12:37:05 AM
Don't really care Dave. Its obvious you came into this discussion with you own agenda and just wanted to score points while being unpleasant and abusive at the same time, but meh i'm used to you. I stand by my point. If you think the Milner, Young, Barry, pre-old age petrov side would be battling it out currently for 6th with Newcastle i'd say you were mad. 3 or 4 years ago, the current newcastle side would be about 10th
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 01:56:52 AM
Just watched his interview again .

He said we were unlucky today , Richard got a bad  injury .  In the last few seconds you moron , whats that got to do with the other 88 minutes you could not be bothered to score a goal .

The other thing he said was we were unlucky not to take the chances we had in the first half . What game was he watching?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 14, 2012, 05:58:16 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 01:56:52 AM
Just watched his interview again .

He said we were unlucky today , Richard got a bad  injury .  In the last few seconds you moron , whats that got to do with the other 88 minutes you could not be bothered to score a goal .

The other thing he said was we were unlucky not to take the chances we had in the first half . What game was he watching?
That interview nailed his coffin lid for me.  It shows how he sees the game and our place in it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ian. on February 14, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
McLeish meant we were unlucky with the result and then we had further bad luck with Dunne at the end. Not for one minute did he think it had a bearing on the match.

Its funny as when I went to work everyone said we were unlucky and could have nicked a point at the end. So its not only McLeish who watched it with that view point.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 14, 2012, 07:12:08 AM
Quote from: Ian J on February 14, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
McLeish meant we were unlucky with the result and then we had further bad luck with Dunne at the end. Not for one minute did he think it had a bearing on the match.

Its funny as when I went to work everyone said we were unlucky and could have nicked a point at the end. So its not only McLeish who watched it with that view point.

The fact of the matter is, we shouldn't be voluntarily taking an 88 minute beating and then depend on scrapping an undeserved point at home. If we don't score we won't win.

If we don't win 3 of our next 4 heads will roll.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rigadon on February 14, 2012, 07:16:07 AM
To paraphrase Dave Woodhall's latest article, every time he turns a corner he seems to balls it up for himself.

The performance wasn't acceptable and the interview showed him in rabit-in-the-headlights mode a la Spurs away and Utd / Liverpool at home.

His game plan whenever we start with Heskey is defend, defend, defend.  Not at all wise when you have a fucking shit defence. 

Running out of patience with him.

Either his first team coach isn't up to it or it's AM himself (or both). 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2012, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Ian J on February 14, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
McLeish meant we were unlucky with the result and then we had further bad luck with Dunne at the end. Not for one minute did he think it had a bearing on the match.

Its funny as when I went to work everyone said we were unlucky and could have nicked a point at the end. So its not only McLeish who watched it with that view point.



We weren't remotely unlucky we got exactly what we deserved for showing absolutely no ambition at home.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 14, 2012, 09:02:16 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 13, 2012, 11:01:55 PM
The table's misleading, just as it was a while back when we were doing better. A win and we could  be back to 11th.  There just so much mediocrity in this league its shocking. A few years ago the likes of Norwich and Swansea would have really struggled - now they're probably a shoe-in for a mid-table finish.

No it's not, all the results are in so far....that is where we are. We have to win some games and hope that others above don't. That's all if's and but's, the fact now is that we are in a poor position.

While he keeps playing Heskey as our midfield dynamo, we'll be ok....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: prmort on February 14, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: Ian J on February 14, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
Its funny as when I went to work everyone said we were unlucky and could have nicked a point at the end. So its not only McLeish who watched it with that view point.



So do you think he view's the game the same as a neutral. As villa manager, do you not think he should have a little more interest in the game than that.?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: He wears a magic hat on February 14, 2012, 10:17:16 AM
Everything you need to know about AM was on display on Sunday.

His team was picked to stop the opposition, with no consideration as to how we were going to win.

We spent pretty much ALL game with 10 men in our own half with no attacking endeavor whatsoever.

And then to top it all when our CB got injured in stoppage time he replaces him with a defender. I wonder if it ever crossed is mind that maybe, just maybe it was worth throwing Weismann on in the hope of stealing a goal.

I've tried to remain positive regarding AM but I just can not take anymore of this nuisiating 'football'
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Small Rodent on February 14, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
I didn't see the game as I was on a coach to Berlin, but all the Man U fans I know were telling me how unlucky Villa were on Sunday???

Perspective is funny in football; I tend to think the Man U fans were guilty of a lot of wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on February 14, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
I didn't see the game as I was on a coach to Berlin, but all the Man U fans I know were telling me how unlucky Villa were on Sunday???

Perspective is funny in football; I tend to think the Man U fans were guilty of a lot of wishful thinking.

First thing my gaffer, a stripey, said to me yesterday morning was how he thought we were a bit unlucky.

Mind you, I think he was fishing for praise regarding their win, which of course failed to materialise.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarleyWonder on February 14, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 12, 2012, 05:45:34 PM
I voted yes.  Get the clown out now he is killing us, if we don't go down this year we will next.

Could not agree more
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Bar the fact that Hart made a great save from Bent, I struggle to see how anyone could say we were unlucky to get nothing from that match going on the rest of it.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarleyWonder on February 14, 2012, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Bar the fact that Hart made a great save from Bent, I struggle to see how anyone could say we were unlucky to get nothing from that match going on the rest of it.

Agree
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 14, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
The thing that is making my blood boil is that he is now saying we haven't got the players to compete He used to say this at Blues and it seems that he uses the players as an excuse for his awful negative football Despite him saying at the start of the season that he had better players here and would play more positive football
Were going down I'm convinced
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on February 14, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
I didn't see the game as I was on a coach to Berlin, but all the Man U fans I know were telling me how unlucky Villa were on Sunday???

Perspective is funny in football; I tend to think the Man U fans were guilty of a lot of wishful thinking.

Im amazed that people are saying this . Yes Cuellar probably should have scored ( is that unlucky ) and Hart made a good save , but I think it looked better because it was the only save he had to make . What frustrates me , is when you had a go at them for 5 minutes with the right players on the pitch we looked alright and Man ££ity were looking al ittle rattled , so why not do that from the kick off or at least bring the two players on at HT .
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 14, 2012, 12:06:21 PM
I wonder how many people saying we were unlucky saw the game or saw the highlights. From the highlights, sure, they didn't have many chances and neither do we, but anyone watching the game could see our hopeless, cowardly negativity, punctuated by vain hoofs to Bent (or really, to them). It was a game of few chances, but it was absolutely one of domination from one team who wanted to win the game, over one team didn't want to lose it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarleyWonder on February 14, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on February 14, 2012, 11:24:45 AM
The thing that is making my blood boil is that he is now saying we haven't got the players to compete He used to say this at Blues and it seems that he uses the players as an excuse for his awful negative football Despite him saying at the start of the season that he had better players here and would play more positive football
Were going down I'm convinced

Is the majority now getting even bigger?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Lee on February 14, 2012, 12:11:33 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 14, 2012, 07:01:45 AM
McLeish meant we were unlucky with the result and then we had further bad luck with Dunne at the end. Not for one minute did he think it had a bearing on the match.

Its funny as when I went to work everyone said we were unlucky and could have nicked a point at the end. So its not only McLeish who watched it with that view point.



Sorry mate, your entitled to your opinion, but that's not how I saw his interview and like Fergal that interview is a bit of a watershed for me with him
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: James on February 14, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
We should be looking at the next four games and thinking 'twelve points, nothing less'. The fact that we are mostly saying 'six or seven will do' shows just how much the club have lowered expectations in the shortest time possible! From top four aspirations to mere survival inside two seasons? It's shit! The next four games will feature opposition scrapping for their lives. Our team doesn't even look like it has any life in it, never mind a desire to scrap for it! Unacceptable! All those four teams will set themselves up to have a right good go at us and will know, know, that they have every chance of getting goals. I'm not confident of even getting the six or seven points from the next four games with this lunatic in charge of the team, a man remember, who thinks that playing a striker as a midfielder in order to defend is sensible!

The answer to the question posed in this thread is 'YES', loud and clear, the fact though is that he won't be, we all know that, because Randy is as spineless as a McLeish first eleven! He won't even communicate with the fans, he's no better than the Venky's up the road! Does he even know what's going on? Does he even give a shit? Shocking!

Which leaves us crossing our fingers and hoping for six or seven points from the next four games. That's no where near good enough for this club, nowhere fucking near!

Sorry, I'll go take a lie down somewhere!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2012, 12:30:41 PM
It is infuriating the way he talks us down and the fact he thought the manner in which we approached the game on Sunday was acceptable. We have plenty of good attacking players and we should not be adopting the approach we took on Sunday regardless of the scenario, especially at home. It was appallingly lacking in ambition and was embarrassing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
The reality is even if we had somehow managed to scrape a point from that 'performance' on Sunday he would have got criticised for the approach we took and we would have clearly been very lucky. The fact we didn't get anything at all, means there is not even the slightest defence for the strategy. We looked horrible and we got fuck all for it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: midnite on February 14, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
I got drunk to numb the pain of watching the match. So I actually can't rember much of the game at all.

Think it's going to be a new strategy for me for future games too.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 14, 2012, 01:15:30 PM
Quote from: midnite on February 14, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
I got drunk to numb the pain of watching the match. So I actually can't rember much of the game at all.

Think it's going to be a new strategy for me for future games too.

I think some of the players are ahead of you on that one.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 14, 2012, 01:36:22 PM
Seeing how he sets up against the "big teams" suggests he's frightened of getting a 4 or 5 goal hammering, which would make his life very difficult.

Whereas losing only 1 or 2 nil, means the pressure is less intense.

So I'd suspect that's the reason why we don't have a go.  And again it shows how ridiculous and unworkable appointment it was in the first place.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr-villa on February 14, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Bar the fact that Hart made a great save from Bent, I struggle to see how anyone could say we were unlucky to get nothing from that match going on the rest of it.


Thats fine but study your own statement then study the game, the facts are that only one goalkeeper (Hart) had to make a great save in the entire match as City created very little in the way of clear chances also.  Most neutral observers would say that we deserved a point across the whole 90 mins of "action".  Get used to it as McLeish is going nowhere in the immediate future.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 14, 2012, 04:45:55 PM
He should be sacked as even Emile's missus knows he is playing him out of position.....

http://tinyurl.com/7w4fq53
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 14, 2012, 04:51:52 PM
Quote
Most neutral observers would say that we deserved a point across the whole 90 mins of "action".

My sample of neutral observers probably wouldn't stand up to peer review, but every neutral I spoke to about the game commented on how absolutely awful we looked and how, for long periods of the game, Man City were taking the piss.

I think we got everything we deserved out of the game on Sunday, unfortunately.

But it was Man City, so lets see how we do against Wigan
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 14, 2012, 04:56:13 PM
Im struggling to understand how these "neutrals" think we were unlucky not to get a draw?  We only played for 5 mins fo the game so that constitues as being unlucky?  We were piss poor and cant see how and where things will improve.  Like a number of people have been saying, the next 4 games are crucial to our survival bid other we are in for a proper fight to stay up.  Theres no spirit in the site or passion.  The teams below us (except wolves) still have a lot of fight within them but we, sorry I mean Eck, it happy playing for draws and negative tactics
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on February 14, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Bar the fact that Hart made a great save from Bent, I struggle to see how anyone could say we were unlucky to get nothing from that match going on the rest of it.


Thats fine but study your own statement then study the game, the facts are that only one goalkeeper (Hart) had to make a great save in the entire match as City created very little in the way of clear chances also.  Most neutral observers would say that we deserved a point across the whole 90 mins of "action".  Get used to it as McLeish is going nowhere in the immediate future.


Most neutral observers reckon we deserved a point across 90 mins? That's totally at odds with what I've heard neutral observers say.

There's nothing to get used to, I know he's not going anywhere soon.,
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 14, 2012, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 14, 2012, 04:45:55 PM
He should be sacked as even Emile's missus knows he is playing him out of position.....
http://tinyurl.com/7w4fq53

She said what?  Seriously why do people write like that?  I'm not even convinced it saves much time.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 14, 2012, 05:23:44 PM
It would be folly to sack him now but, come the end of the season, I am not so sure.

Sunday was the first time I got frustrated with him to the point of thinking "will he ever fucking learn?"

Recent attacking performances were building up some good will and then he pisses it away with one team sheet and an even more jaw dropping post match interview.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TonyD on February 14, 2012, 05:24:44 PM
I wouldnt be so sure.  See where we are after the next 4 games.

If AM takes us down he might think he will get the Spurs job.  Promotion through failure.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 14, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
Thing is, I am still not in the slightest concerned by relegation at the minute. I think we will do ok in the next four games but without it turning into a run of victories.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2012, 05:53:27 PM
For all the people who think the tactics worked and it was a good way to set up I think the problem is, playing that way for the opening 15minutes would've been ok if we then started to grow into the game.  That it went on for another 10-15 minutes after they'd scored shows that he had no idea what to do to get a victory, if they hadn't scored I don't think for the slightest second he'd ever have made a change to make us more positive.

There is nothing unlucky about it, if you send a team out with the sole objective being to not concede a goal, as soon as they concede a goal the tactic has failed.  As soon as the tactic fails you have to face up to the fact that you got things wrong.

I'm annoyed with the performance but if we'd kept a clean sheet and got 0-0 or even snuck a 1-0 I'd accept that he got the tactics right, regardless of how shit they were to watch.  But by the same token he (and the people defending him) need to accept that as not only were we shit to watch but we also failed to do the 1 thing the team was setup to achieve.  There is nothing excellent about that and his failure to understand this in his interviews is the most worrying thing. 

An honest response of, 'I thought the tactics were working for 60minutes but then a defensive error ruined our gameplan and we couldn't get back into it' would've seen him keep a lot more good faith than he has now and would've been a much fairer reflection of reality.  I'd still be pissed off at the insipid shite he put out but at least I'd know that he accepted blame for it.  His current attitude seems to be to default to blaming anyone but himself which is the least acceptable trait possible for a manager at any level and in any environment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 14, 2012, 06:34:23 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on February 14, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 10:56:07 AM
Bar the fact that Hart made a great save from Bent, I struggle to see how anyone could say we were unlucky to get nothing from that match going on the rest of it.


Thats fine but study your own statement then study the game, the facts are that only one goalkeeper (Hart) had to make a great save in the entire match as City created very little in the way of clear chances also.  Most neutral observers would say that we deserved a point across the whole 90 mins of "action".  Get used to it as McLeish is going nowhere in the immediate future.

And when they hit the post..?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 14, 2012, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part.
'Effective for the most part' doesn't get you a result.
The approach failed, and as a spectacle, it was as dull as dishwater.

That said, the real culprit still get's off lightly whilst McLeish has to weather the shit storm.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
The scoreline was not a fair reflection on the game, we were awful. You will never progress if you take that approach against the teams above us. There are teams with much less talented players than us who have beaten Liverpool, Man utd, Man Citeh, Spurs etc because they have had a go. That is the only way you will ever succeed and progress.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 14, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 14, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
The scoreline was not a fair reflection on the game, we were awful. You will never progress if you take that approach against the teams above us. There are teams with much less talented players than us who have beaten Liverpool, Man utd, Man Citeh, Spurs etc because they have had a go. That is the only way you will ever succeed and progress.


We all see it.. but does Randy?

Where is our owner?!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Nastylee on February 14, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
What I don't get is our apparent reluctance to close opposition players down. We just stand off and invite pressure and it's happened so many times it looks like it's a deliberate tactic.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 14, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on February 14, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
What I don't get is our apparent reluctance to close opposition players down. We just stand off and invite pressure and it's happened so many times it looks like it's a deliberate tactic.
It's what often worked for him at the Blues, reaching it's nadir in the League cup final against Arsenal.
I'd like to think we have superior players to what he worked with there, so i'm puzzled at his persistence in this sleep inducing method.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 14, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
I just don't think McLeish will make our team better over the long haul. He can't seem to get the best out of players who need to be making an impact in order for this club to flourish. He got Ireland to come around but cant keep him happy, never fully sorted out the backs and can't design a free-flowing offense that can successfully build the ball up to one of the most prolific strikers in the Prem. Its becoming increasingly difficult to support.

This is my first time saying this but the things I would do to have Hou back..
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 

Pretending people want the manager sacked because of one performance is childish too.

It wasn't effective at all - we lost - and we didn't sacrifice some of our attacking intent, we sacrificed it all.

If that's the way we are going to play going forward, then god help us, and god help anyone who has to watch us in the process.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 14, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 

You really believe it was on the back of that alone.

Wow.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: brian green on February 14, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
I do not know how many others have picked up on it but I find it very chilling that McLeish has started to put it down to luck.   His comment about Dunne's broken collar bone being more bad luck is that of a man trapped in the headlights.

When you have a run of bad luck the last thing you do is draw attention to it because it becomes self fulfilling.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?

You might need an abacus for that....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 14, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 14, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?

You might need an abacus for that....
You can probably get away with one hand.

Hell, Captain Hook could probably get away with one hand.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Billy Walker on February 14, 2012, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 14, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
I do not know how many others have picked up on it but I find it very chilling that McLeish has started to put it down to luck.   His comment about Dunne's broken collar bone being more bad luck is that of a man trapped in the headlights.

When you have a run of bad luck the last thing you do is draw attention to it because it becomes self fulfilling.

I agree.  You make your own luck. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 14, 2012, 09:45:51 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 14, 2012, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 14, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
I do not know how many others have picked up on it but I find it very chilling that McLeish has started to put it down to luck.   His comment about Dunne's broken collar bone being more bad luck is that of a man trapped in the headlights.

When you have a run of bad luck the last thing you do is draw attention to it because it becomes self fulfilling.

I agree.  You make your own luck. 

Exactly. 3 shots at home until the 80th minute is not making your own luck (neither is 9 compared to 17).
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ez on February 14, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 14, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on February 14, 2012, 06:50:27 PM
What I don't get is our apparent reluctance to close opposition players down. We just stand off and invite pressure and it's happened so many times it looks like it's a deliberate tactic.
It's what often worked for him at the Blues, reaching it's nadir in the League cup final against Arsenal.
I'd like to think we have superior players to what he worked with there, so i'm puzzled at his persistence in this sleep inducing method.

He appears to see no wrong in it. We could be watching this for years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villan1975 on February 14, 2012, 10:04:31 PM
I do have some sympathy for AM as others have said he has been hung out to dry with an unbalanced squad from the previous overspend.My worry is next season if he stays and does get money his natural instincts are towards caution and in a years time I can see us playing the same way but with the right negative defensive players for his system.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ez on February 14, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 

I agree the defense has been better in recent games. They are 'standing up' now rather than lunging in but as the commentators said, there was very little respite for them. Such relentless pressure is bound to get a goal either by skill or defensive error.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2012, 10:19:25 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent.

Bearing in mind we did'nt really test their keeper until the last 10 minutes at home, that was too big a sacrifice i think.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?

The last 5 games Heskey has started . We have not scored a goal .
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: ez on February 14, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 

I agree the defense has been better in recent games. They are 'standing up' now rather than lunging in but as the commentators said, there was very little respite for them. Such relentless pressure is bound to get a goal either by skill or defensive error.
Quote from: ez on February 14, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
For the first time in a while we defended with discipline and commitment. The price we paid for that was to sacrifice a lot of our attacking intent. It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part. It now needs to be transferred to games where we have more possession.

Calling for the manager to be sacked on the back of it is just childish.

 

I agree the defense has been better in recent games. They are 'standing up' now rather than lunging in but as the commentators said, there was very little respite for them. Such relentless pressure is bound to get a goal either by skill or defensive error.

recent games?  one    .  we let 2 in the game before
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 14, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
And 3 before that
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 14, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
Re the luck, he started this with injuries last season as things got gradually closer to D-Day. Dann being down as the player they missed most, although he had signed the Czech guy and Davies to cover there, and had Ridgewell.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?

The last 5 games Heskey has started . We have not scored a goal .

Is that true? If so, it is as clear a signal of the idiotic decision to start him as any.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 15, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Out of interest, this tactic of playing Heskey as another defender and not bothering to attack .. How many times has it worked?

The last 5 games Heskey has started . We have not scored a goal .

Is that true? If so, it is as clear a signal of the idiotic decision to start him as any.

Didn't score at Stoke, didn't score at home against Liverpool, didn't score at Swansea, didn't score at Spurs, didn't score at home against Wolves, didn't score at Fulham.. all games in which Emile Heskey started.

It seems to just about check out but I know he scored against Blackburn and started when we drew Everton 2-2.. so we've got to be fair to him. But regardless, the above paragraph says it all. Not only are we losing, we're not even scoring.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 15, 2012, 02:47:44 AM
we simply have to stop giving the ball away. You can Baresi, Maldini, Beckenbauer and Moore at the back, with Banks in goal and even they would concede if the ball kept coming back into the box time and again. At the top level of the game, good teams, let alone great team will find a way to score if they see enough of the ball. We really have been our own worst enemy this season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 07:33:16 AM
It is all going to be ok. Randy has flown Mcleish and the backroom staff to Cleveland to spend some time with the Browns coaches and staff for a learning exercise. Unfortunately Heskey has not been taken to become a new line backer, but McLeish is thought to be getting new tactical tips as there is a 2 week hiatus in the premier league. Because we are out of the FA Cup.

The OS talks of the close bond of Randy and Eck. We are going to have this turgid, poorly thought out shit at VP for the next 3 years like it or not. We will be lucky to be averaging 25k through the door by the end.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: NeilH on February 15, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
It confirms what I’ve been saying for some time. Contrary to the opinion of many on here, Lerner does not in any way believe that McLeish is doing a bad job and he certainly will not be sacking him any time soon. Given the fact that Randy is not exposed to the negativity and apathy of Villa Park these days and is no doubt being spun a positive picture of the Saturday 3pm atmosphere, I suspect we’ll be seeing McLeish’s face for quite a while.
It really will take a seismic event to open Lerner’s eyes to the reality of life at Villa and McLeish is certainly doing enough right now to avoid this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chipsticks on February 15, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
I just had a flashback to the time when many on hear were calling for 'MON Out'.

I hope you're all happy.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 15, 2012, 08:22:35 AM
And with what he spent, and the shite he signed and didn't play, they were right.

Little did we know that Randy was going to pull up the financial shutters and MON fucked off as soon as he wasn't getting his own way on money.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 15, 2012, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 15, 2012, 08:22:35 AM
And with what he spent, and the shite he signed and didn't play, they were right.
Actually, I think it was those who whilst aware of his limitations, warned against who he might be replaced with were he to be fired who were right.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: sid1964 on February 15, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
So McLeish is off to a learning excercise with the Browns staff.....as anyone seen how poor the Browns did this season!!!

If McLeish is still our manager next season, then I wont be renewing my season ticket...If I decide to go to any games I will pick and choose my matches and look for the special deals for games.

I reckon I will have no problem getting seats for games as I cant see many turning up to the games

I think the only time that the Board will take notice of us 'FANS' is if Season Ticket sales drop dramatically, we will then see how much Lerner backs his MAN.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 15, 2012, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on February 15, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
So McLeish is off to a learning excercise with the Browns staff.....as anyone seen how poor the Browns did this season!!!
 
Just read that load of old nonsense on the OS.

Waste of money sending him and his bone headed lickspittles there.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr underhill on February 15, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
I fear that that McLeish's position is unassailable, irrespective of relegation. Why? Because Lerner publically stuck two finger's up to the fans when he appointed him after bowing to pressure not to interview McClaren and nothing is going to deflect him from sticking to his man now for fear of totally losing face - the billionaire business man lording it over the humble plebians who will pay their hard earned come what may. I didn't want him (because of his record, not because of where he came from), don't want him, and never will want him, but we're stuck with him for three years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mattjpa on February 15, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 14, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
I just don't think McLeish will make our team better over the long haul. He can't seem to get the best out of players who need to be making an impact in order for this club to flourish. He got Ireland to come around but cant keep him happy, never fully sorted out the backs and can't design a free-flowing offense that can successfully build the ball up to one of the most prolific strikers in the Prem. Its becoming increasingly difficult to support.

This is my first time saying this but the things I would do to have Hou back..
I honestly felt like there were about 10 of us on here who could see the wood through the trees with GED and could see what he we trying to achieve. I remember arguing with people wanting him gone after every game, who were blinded by crap like the Liverpool incident and results regardless of performance. This club would have done well under him and grown but I think randy pulled the plug due to fans wishes and the rebel squad members who had their lives inconvenienced by him He should have moved houllier up and lessened the load whilst installing someone like hughton to work with the squad. I'd like to flick all those people the bird and say u got what u wished for but they are probably all out protest marching against mcleish
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 09:12:48 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 15, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
I fear that that McLeish's position is unassailable, irrespective of relegation. Why? Because Lerner publically stuck two finger's up to the fans when he appointed him after bowing to pressure not to interview McClaren and nothing is going to deflect him from sticking to his man now for fear of totally losing face - the billionaire business man lording it over the humble plebians who will pay their hard earned come what may. I didn't want him (because of his record, not because of where he came from), don't want him, and never will want him, but we're stuck with him for three years.

I fear you are spot on. Most chairmen would finding the red button now with his record and our stature. Lerner has put himself in a position and essentially buried his head.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on February 15, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 14, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
I just don't think McLeish will make our team better over the long haul. He can't seem to get the best out of players who need to be making an impact in order for this club to flourish. He got Ireland to come around but cant keep him happy, never fully sorted out the backs and can't design a free-flowing offense that can successfully build the ball up to one of the most prolific strikers in the Prem. Its becoming increasingly difficult to support.

This is my first time saying this but the things I would do to have Hou back..
I honestly felt like there were about 10 of us on here who could see the wood through the trees with GED and could see what he we trying to achieve. I remember arguing with people wanting him gone after every game, who were blinded by crap like the Liverpool incident and results regardless of performance. This club would have done well under him and grown but I think randy pulled the plug due to fans wishes and the rebel squad members who had their lives inconvenienced by him He should have moved houllier up and lessened the load whilst installing someone like hughton to work with the squad. I'd like to flick all those people the bird and say u got what u wished for but they are probably all out protest marching against mcleish

Agree 100%. Miss GH and could see his plan, there is not one now at all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on February 15, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
If McLeish is still our manager next season, then I wont be renewing my season ticket...If I decide to go to any games I will pick and choose my matches and look for the special deals for games.

I reckon I will have no problem getting seats for games as I cant see many turning up to the games

Ditto! No way am I parting with my cash on a season ticket if that man is still in charge.  I can think of a million different ways of using that money
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Merv on February 15, 2012, 09:37:26 AM
Quote from: NeilH on February 15, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
Given the fact that Randy is not exposed to the negativity and apathy of Villa Park these days and is no doubt being spun a positive picture of the Saturday 3pm atmosphere, I suspect we’ll be seeing McLeish’s face for quite a while.

Absolutely. Three days on, and many on here are beginning to believe we were unlucky not to get something against City, and that anyone critical of McLeish is only reacting to a single defeat, not what they've seen over the course of the whole season so far.
I'm sure Lerner's been assured we were desperately unlucky to lose against the league leaders. It was the league leaders, after all. Everything's fine, really.













Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 15, 2012, 09:42:30 AM
Quote from: villan1975 on February 14, 2012, 10:04:31 PM
I do have some sympathy for AM as others have said he has been hung out to dry with an unbalanced squad from the previous overspend.My worry is next season if he stays and does get money his natural instincts are towards caution and in a years time I can see us playing the same way but with the right negative defensive players for his system.

He had the likes of Bentley, Hleb and Martins on the books at B-lose last season, and was still more comfortable defending deep and punting the ball up to Cameron Jerome to chase.  So you might be right.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 15, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Another agreement on Houllier.  For all his faults, especially his appalling PR gaffes, on the pitch he seemed to be taking us in the right direction, and had sussed out the bad apples.  His signings last January probably saved us from relegation, and he had also supposedly targetted some decent players for the summer as well that would not have cost the earth in wages or transfer fees. 

I also fear we are stuck with AM even if we go down.  The argument then will be that he has experience of getting teams promoted from the Championship.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 15, 2012, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on February 15, 2012, 08:17:51 AM
I just had a flashback to the time when many on hear were calling for 'MON Out'.

I hope you're all happy.

Although I wasn't calling for his head, I am not unhappy MON has gone, couldn't stand the man or his football.  Sure in a way it's a case of "be careful what you wish for" but obviously people (probably rightly) thought we could do better than persistent 6th place with a better manager and the same backing, or at least maintain that and play more entertaining football.   Unfortunately the backing wasn't possible due to MON's excesses, and Lerner's singularly unique take on a better manager/better football ended up being the anti-football himself, McLeish.  I doubt anyone could have imagined that bizarre scenario unfolding when criticising MON.  You can't legislate for an owner as utterly clueless as RL seems to be.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 15, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Personally, I'm not about to join the 'McLeish is a disaster, so Houllier couldn't have been that bad' camp yet.
Both were apalling appointments by an owner and board who have demonstrated an embarrasing lack of football knowledge.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 15, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 14, 2012, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 14, 2012, 06:29:59 PM
It was ugly to watch but effective for the most part.
'Effective for the most part' doesn't get you a result.
The approach failed, and as a spectacle, it was as dull as dishwater.

That said, the real culprit still get's off lightly whilst McLeish has to weather the shit storm.

The fracking shit barometer is rising.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 15, 2012, 10:15:10 AM
Given a straight choice -and ignoring the fact that HE walked out on us (which often gets lost in these dewy eyed reflections) I'd rather have MON than McLeish. 

Better yet, I'd rather have neither.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villasjf on February 15, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on February 15, 2012, 08:44:53 AM
If McLeish is still our manager next season, then I wont be renewing my season ticket...If I decide to go to any games I will pick and choose my matches and look for the special deals for games.

I reckon I will have no problem getting seats for games as I cant see many turning up to the games

Ditto! No way am I parting with my cash on a season ticket if that man is still in charge.  I can think of a million different ways of using that money
I am with you two will not be renewing next year after this years garbage, also all the offers of cheap seats when we have paid full wack for the same seats.i know they are trying to fill the stadium but they cant even sell out against Man U and Liverpool
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
I do not think GH was a bad appointment.  He just like Eck was going through a transitional period while in charge.  He sussed out who were the worthless, crap players and identified targets for the summer rebuilding process.  His philosophy started to pay off towards the back end of last season.  Under Eck, its the same old crap every week.  He is tactically inept and just thinks about playing defensive all the time.  I've had enough of him as there is NO sign of it improving.  My main worrying is despite the number of protests or low attendances, he is here to stay even if we get relegated.  IMO he has had enough games to get it right and he hasnt.  We have a striker who is proven to put the ball in the back of the net if he is presented with enough opportunities.  How a manager cannot work out the best system or best players to play week in week out clearly hasn't got a clue and should be sacked.  Im fed up of hearing all ex players or pundits/presenters on tv or radio saying how he is a nice man and needs time at villa to get it right.  Im sorry but I dont care if he is a nice man, this is a results driven business and he is not delivering.  Im not saying that we should be up there in 6th spot or higher but i think we should be higher than what we are considering the players we have at our disposal.  at least another 10 points on the board minimum.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: django on February 15, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
Houllier was awfull. We were barely above the relegation places until he went off sick. And he alienated players when we had no money to replace them.

By the same token Mcleish is awfull. Neither of them are/were remotely good enough to manage Aston Villa.

Dreadful appointments.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: django on February 15, 2012, 10:27:49 AM
Houllier was awfull. We were barely above the relegation places until he went off sick. And he alienated players when we had no money to replace them.

By the same token Mcleish is awfull. Neither of them are/were remotely good enough to manage Aston Villa.

Dreadful appointments.

Just for the record, who did he alienate again?  Warnock, Beye and....?  2 players who are shit.  One has been paid off and other is one of the worst full backs in PL.  He regularly played Gabby (albeit on the wing), dunne, collins, Petrov, Luke Young...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jembob on February 15, 2012, 10:59:15 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
I do not think GH was a bad appointment.  He just like Eck was going through a transitional period while in charge.  He sussed out who were the worthless, crap players and identified targets for the summer rebuilding process.  His philosophy started to pay off towards the back end of last season.  Under Eck, its the same old crap every week.  He is tactically inept and just thinks about playing defensive all the time.  I've had enough of him as there is NO sign of it improving.  My main worrying is despite the number of protests or low attendances, he is here to stay even if we get relegated.  IMO he has had enough games to get it right and he hasnt.  We have a striker who is proven to put the ball in the back of the net if he is presented with enough opportunities.  How a manager cannot work out the best system or best players to play week in week out clearly hasn't got a clue and should be sacked.  Im fed up of hearing all ex players or pundits/presenters on tv or radio saying how he is a nice man and needs time at villa to get it right.  Im sorry but I dont care if he is a nice man, this is a results driven business and he is not delivering.  Im not saying that we should be up there in 6th spot or higher but i think we should be higher than what we are considering the players we have at our disposal.  at least another 10 points on the board minimum.

Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
No, based on two things;

1) Judging by the candidates to take over at Wolves, we'd hardly be improving the situation much would we.  Let's not kid ourselves that our 'names' would be any different from their 'names'. 

2) He's simply doing the job Randy wants him to do - keep us in the division whilst he draws down his investment so he can get some of his money back.

Basically, i've lost faith in Lerner's ability to take us forward - I hope McLeish stays until the Club is sold , which I now hope is soon, whilst keeping our Premiership status and then a new owner appoints a more ambitious, cultured Manager.  It's really the only hope I have left that our future isn't one of regular surrenders coupled with mid table tedium before eventual relegation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 15, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
I'm beginning to wonder whether Steve McLaren would have been such a bad choice afterall.

 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: supertom on February 15, 2012, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 15, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
I'm beginning to wonder whether Steve McLaren would have been such a bad choice afterall.

 
For Villa yes.
In comparison to McLeish...no.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 15, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
Yes he would have been a bad choice imo. He's not as bad as McLeish, but he's still pretty bad.

Let's be honest, the shortlist in the summer was very, very poor for a club like ours. We're a higher-midtable club, not a lower-midtable club, but the board went ahead and got their Championship manager.

The Wolves candiates aren't exciting which isn't surprising consider their club isn't the biggest and the fact they're 2/3 through the season, so normally the good managers would be in work during this time. But I'll bet you any money they'll still a poach a better manager than ours and that's unforgiveable considering Wolves have a much harder task getting a good manager with them being in the relegation zone as well.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pedro25 on February 15, 2012, 12:07:06 PM
Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on February 15, 2012, 12:07:06 PM
Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.

And why did he alienate Ireland?  because he wasnt pulling his weight in training and on the pitch.  he was a bad apple last season and a majority of fans wanted to see the back of him until Eck gave him a life line.  I agrre with you though that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller premier league clubs.  Its shocking and to think, we still have 2.5 years of him as the board do not look like they want to sack him despite low attendances and dire football and results.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Vanilla on February 15, 2012, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on February 15, 2012, 12:07:06 PM
Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.

And why did he alienate Ireland?  because he wasnt pulling his weight in training and on the pitch.  he was a bad apple last season and a majority of fans wanted to see the back of him until Eck gave him a life line.  I agrre with you though that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller premier league clubs.  Its shocking and to think, we still have 2.5 years of him as the board do not look like they want to sack him despite low attendances and dire football and results.

I don't want to sound like an idiot, but how does the manager's salary at Villa compare to other clubs? Perhaps the salary we offer/offered isn't comparable to size of the job for prospective managers.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: django on February 15, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
Houllier wasn't any good for us, he took the premierships second meanest defense and turned it into the shambles it remains today. He criticised players in public and created an atmosphere toxic enough that Gaby wanted to leave. He took players enjoyment of football away and it showed.

He was hugely unpopular at the time. People are looking back much more fondly now because Lerner has astonishingly got it even more wrong this time around.

What an absolute waste of time the past couple of seasons have been.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager and now we are a club in decline with a poorish squad, little money, dwindling gates and little in the way of ambition.

I would doubt we could tempt the likes of lambert or rogers away from their jobs- the sooner randy packs up and takes faulkner and mcleish with him the better as we are only going one way right now.   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Boz on February 15, 2012, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: NeilH on February 15, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
It confirms what I’ve been saying for some time. Contrary to the opinion of many on here, Lerner does not in any way believe that McLeish is doing a bad job and he certainly will not be sacking him any time soon. Given the fact that Randy is not exposed to the negativity and apathy of Villa Park these days and is no doubt being spun a positive picture of the Saturday 3pm atmosphere, I suspect we’ll be seeing McLeish’s face for quite a while.
It really will take a seismic event to open Lerner’s eyes to the reality of life at Villa and McLeish is certainly doing enough right now to avoid this.

If that event is relegation, by the time he opens his eyes it will be too late. Our only hope might be if we get less than 5 points from the next four games RL might hear the warning bells even with his eyes closed as the good ship Aston Villa sinks nearer the Premiership relegation line.  >:(

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 15, 2012, 01:14:17 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 15, 2012, 01:07:45 PM
Our only hope might be if we get less than 5 points from the next four games RL might hear the warning bells even with his eyes closed as the good ship Aston Villa sinks nearer the Premiership relegation line.  >:(

So you want us to lose games so we have an excuse to sack the manager?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 15, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

As I said at the time, waiting to see who applies was a mistake and we needed to go get a top man, even if it meant playing dirty and pinching him from his present club.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 15, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

They came out with the bullshit line of ' must have premier league experience' which reduced the field of candidates by quite a lot.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

As I said at the time, waiting to see who applies was a mistake and we needed to go get a top man, even if it meant playing dirty and pinching him from his present club.

Could we really have attracted anyone of real quality though? Especially considering the new man would have been working on a restricted budget.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Didn't Sanchez Flores fella openly express interest under pretty much any circumstance?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rick_avfc on February 15, 2012, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 15, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Didn't Sanchez Flores fella openly express interest under pretty much any circumstance?

I remember reading that story shortly after we started talks with Eck but I dont know if it was under "any" circumstances.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: django on February 15, 2012, 01:46:59 PM
We did play dirty and poach a manager from their club, that's why we had to pay them compensation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 15, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

As I said at the time, waiting to see who applies was a mistake and we needed to go get a top man, even if it meant playing dirty and pinching him from his present club.

Could we really have attracted anyone of real quality though? Especially considering the new man would have been working on a restricted budget.

We're talking 18 months ago when the team had just finished 6th, other than swapping Milner for Ireland, and we had enough in the kitty to then go buy Darren Bent.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 15, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
Quote from: django on February 15, 2012, 01:46:59 PM
We did play dirty and poach a manager from their club, that's why we had to pay them compensation.

I was talking about when Houllier came and not when we got AM.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 15, 2012, 01:57:31 PM
Have you seen Lee Clarke has just been sacked by Huddersfield..didn't they have some fantasic unbeaten run and are handily placed for promotion? And he was being linked with several jobs in January..I don't understand some of the things that happen in this game from all sides
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

As I said at the time, waiting to see who applies was a mistake and we needed to go get a top man, even if it meant playing dirty and pinching him from his present club.

Could we really have attracted anyone of real quality though? Especially considering the new man would have been working on a restricted budget.

We're talking 18 months ago when the team had just finished 6th, other than swapping Milner for Ireland, and we had enough in the kitty to then go buy Darren Bent.

Yeh but surely any new manager would have known he'd have to reduce the wage budget over the next few seasons. Something which may well have put off a lot of top quality managers.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 15, 2012, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 15, 2012, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on February 15, 2012, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 15, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager

What top quality managers were avaliable at the time?

As I said at the time, waiting to see who applies was a mistake and we needed to go get a top man, even if it meant playing dirty and pinching him from his present club.

Could we really have attracted anyone of real quality though? Especially considering the new man would have been working on a restricted budget.

We're talking 18 months ago when the team had just finished 6th, other than swapping Milner for Ireland, and we had enough in the kitty to then go buy Darren Bent.

Yeh but surely any new manager would have known he'd have to reduce the wage budget over the next few seasons. Something which may well have put off a lot of top quality managers.

I suppose that all depends on whether it's reduce for reductions sake ro reduce to clear the decks and build again.  What woukld appeal is the squad we had then, so a top manager maintaining that sort of position would mean greater income and less reduction needed to achieve the required turnover/wages ratio.

Ultimately, it would be about how the club sold the job and longterm vision to a candidate.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mr underhill on February 15, 2012, 02:23:05 PM
all our defensive players are high earners and I doubt there is a club anywhere who would want any of them based on their performances this season and last
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 15, 2012, 03:37:44 PM
mcleish to Huddersfield it is then, out of Birmingham and two leagues below, Suits everyone
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 19, 2012, 01:53:30 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 15, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
No, based on two things;

1) Judging by the candidates to take over at Wolves, we'd hardly be improving the situation much would we.  Let's not kid ourselves that our 'names' would be any different from their 'names'. 

2) He's simply doing the job Randy wants him to do - keep us in the division whilst he draws down his investment so he can get some of his money back.

Basically, i've lost faith in Lerner's ability to take us forward - I hope McLeish stays until the Club is sold , which I now hope is soon, whilst keeping our Premiership status and then a new owner appoints a more ambitious, cultured Manager.  It's really the only hope I have left that our future isn't one of regular surrenders coupled with mid table tedium before eventual relegation.

This is a good point.  If we got rid of him now we could end up with another shit manager.  It might be better to wait until the summer when we'd have a realistic chance of getting someone half decent.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 19, 2012, 04:32:22 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 19, 2012, 01:53:30 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 15, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
No, based on two things;

1) Judging by the candidates to take over at Wolves, we'd hardly be improving the situation much would we.  Let's not kid ourselves that our 'names' would be any different from their 'names'. 

2) He's simply doing the job Randy wants him to do - keep us in the division whilst he draws down his investment so he can get some of his money back.

Basically, i've lost faith in Lerner's ability to take us forward - I hope McLeish stays until the Club is sold , which I now hope is soon, whilst keeping our Premiership status and then a new owner appoints a more ambitious, cultured Manager.  It's really the only hope I have left that our future isn't one of regular surrenders coupled with mid table tedium before eventual relegation.

This is a good point.  If we got rid of him now we could end up with another shit manager.  It might be better to wait until the summer when we'd have a realistic chance of getting someone half decent.

Why are you under the impression Randy is selling up? In a few recent talks he said he had no such plans.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Holte L2 on February 19, 2012, 06:42:25 AM
Lerner selling up is the only hope I've got about how we're going to move forward unless his shares have miraculously increased, which is highly unlikely!
When you look at the Mcleish factor, the only sensible conclusion that he hasn't been sacked is he's working as the yes man until Lerner sells
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 19, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
I'm still labouring under the probable misconception that Lerner is purging the club and balancing the books to maybe have another crack at turning us into something to be proud of again. I don't think CL football is possible even in the distant future, but we could a top 8 club again surely?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ad@m on February 19, 2012, 09:23:19 AM
It doesn't need Lerner to sell up for us to be successful again.

Everton and Spurs have both been in the Champions League in the past 5/6 years without an Arab/Russian gazillionaire at the helm.  Stoke, Everton and Cardiff have all been in the FA Cup final over the same period, with Portsmouth having been there twice, winning it once.  When it comes to the League Cup - well, we all know what happened last year and Spurs won it a few years back too.

Granted, the gazillionaire owner makes these things more likely but it's not impossible without one.  However, I'm not convinced that despite him winning it with Small Heath last year AML is ever going to win anything with us.  His "success" at Blues was built around the plucky underdog factor - once they'd won something the players suddenly stopped thinking like that and promptly got relegated!  At the Villa we are not, and never will be, nor should we be, the plucky underdog.

I hope that AML has just been brought in to get the books back in order after MON let it get way out of hand.  Hopefully, once that's sorted we'll start looking up again, appoint a young, dynamic manager and start challenging again.

Or maybe I'm just being naive!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 19, 2012, 09:29:13 AM
Well if we fail to beat Fulham it will equal our worst ever run of home games without a win since 1921. I've witnessed some terrible times since attending regularly in the sixties(currently have a season ticket North Stand lower) Never seen a worse level of apathy amongst fellow supporters, we even have fans arguing with each other before games.This club needs to be united behind a proper manager who wants to attack ANY opposition at our famous ground. HE HAS TO GO NOW OR WE WILL GO DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave on February 19, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 19, 2012, 09:23:19 AM
At the Villa we are not, and never will be, nor should we be, the plucky underdog.
We were the 'plucky underdog' in 1982 weren't we?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 19, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 19, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 19, 2012, 09:23:19 AM
At the Villa we are not, and never will be, nor should we be, the plucky underdog.
We were the 'plucky underdog' in 1982 weren't we?
When he says 'at the Villa', I read it to mean 'at home'...in which case he is entirely correct.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: OzVilla on February 19, 2012, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 19, 2012, 04:32:22 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 19, 2012, 01:53:30 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 15, 2012, 11:21:43 AM
No, based on two things;

1) Judging by the candidates to take over at Wolves, we'd hardly be improving the situation much would we.  Let's not kid ourselves that our 'names' would be any different from their 'names'. 

2) He's simply doing the job Randy wants him to do - keep us in the division whilst he draws down his investment so he can get some of his money back.

Basically, i've lost faith in Lerner's ability to take us forward - I hope McLeish stays until the Club is sold , which I now hope is soon, whilst keeping our Premiership status and then a new owner appoints a more ambitious, cultured Manager.  It's really the only hope I have left that our future isn't one of regular surrenders coupled with mid table tedium before eventual relegation.

This is a good point.  If we got rid of him now we could end up with another shit manager.  It might be better to wait until the summer when we'd have a realistic chance of getting someone half decent.

Why are you under the impression Randy is selling up? In a few recent talks he said he had no such plans.

I've no evidence at all just a hunch that he's looking to make the Club a saleable asset by getting the books on a more even keel.

That's the main reason why he's stopped investing and that's why he wanted a 'holding pattern' Manager.  It's got too expensive for him and he's lost faith and losing interest in English football.  Maybe he mentioned his feelings to MON and he walked, maybe that's why the Generals enthusiasm for Online forums bit the dust so soon afterwards.

And I really do want to believe this as that gives me some reassurance that there's atleast some sort of plan down there.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ad@m on February 19, 2012, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 19, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 19, 2012, 09:23:19 AM
At the Villa we are not, and never will be, nor should we be, the plucky underdog.
We were the 'plucky underdog' in 1982 weren't we?

Agreed but I never used the past tense.  As far as I'm concerned, the fact we're one of the few clubs in Europe to win the most prestigious club trophy in the world means we should never, ever consider ourselves to be beneath anyone else, now or in the future.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 19, 2012, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 19, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
I'm still labouring under the probable misconception that Lerner is purging the club and balancing the books to maybe have another crack at turning us into something to be proud of again.
Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rico on February 19, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
I wish we could sack Lerner for dereliction of duty! Mcleish should never have been appointed in the first place, but sacking him now would probably be counter productive in the long term. Unless we have a top notch manager lined up as a replacement, but knowing how badly the powers that be actually plan things out at Villa we'd probably end up with Kev Mac in charge until the end of the season, and if things continued to go wrong we may lose him as a coach. Alternatively we'd probably end up with someone like Curbishley or Sven. Personally I think we've just got to tough it out this season and get rid of Mcleish in the summer. Then we need an appointment that gets everyone excited again. What's Rijkaard (think that's how it's spelt) doing now?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: OzVilla on February 19, 2012, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Rico on February 19, 2012, 10:39:27 AM
Unless we have a top notch manager lined up as a replacement,

No chance at all i'm afraid.

AM is the symptom but RL is the cause.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 19, 2012, 10:57:24 AM
Randy Lerner- custodian of the club

My arse!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 19, 2012, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 19, 2012, 09:29:13 AM
Well if we fail to beat Fulham it will equal our worst ever run of home games without a win since 1921. I've witnessed some terrible times since attending regularly in the sixties(currently have a season ticket North Stand lower) Never seen a worse level of apathy amongst fellow supporters,

Really? 8,000 turn up against Southampton and this is the worst apathy you have seen since the sixties?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 19, 2012, 03:37:01 PM
To be fair those 8,000 were probably all people who cared really deeply about the club. Proper diehards who would have got behind their team. You will probably have a similar number (probably a few thousand more) similarly minded people there now but surrounded by as many as 20,000 or so people who are all a bit meh on things. Bigger numbers but a lot more people who are apathetic about the club in the ground.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Stu on February 19, 2012, 05:18:35 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

I've said it before, but I don't think that his own signings would make much of a difference. He's got his way and that's that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 19, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Who could Alex McLeish realistically get? Some Rangers cast-offs and 30 year old British defenders.. no thanks.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 19, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
Dann and Johnson were terrific for Blues, and he found them from relative obscurity.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 19, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Who could Alex McLeish realistically get? Some Rangers cast-offs and 30 year old British defenders.. no thanks.

How about Europe or even further afield?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: CJ on February 19, 2012, 06:47:06 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 19, 2012, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: villadelph on February 19, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Who could Alex McLeish realistically get? Some Rangers cast-offs and 30 year old British defenders.. no thanks.

How about Europe or even further afield?

I fear his passport extends as far as MON's did. So far the extent of his buys/loans for us have been from Spurs, Wigan, Manc and Shamrock, plus a former PL player.  I worry if he does looks overseas we'll end up with another Zigic.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 19, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance? Next season we could well go down if he stays in charge - nothing from his past record or here has made me think that he can do anything regarding a 'success' even within the financial restriants. Get someone proven in dring the summer. I said on another post, MON has turned around a S-land squad IMO worse than ours - AMc is not getting the best out of the players.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 19, 2012, 07:23:56 PM
If McLeish is still here in the summer he'll be signing the likes of Steven Davis and Lee Wallace from Rangers for knock down prices so don't get your hopes up folks.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 19, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

100% agree.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2012, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 19, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

100% agree.

I'm the full Ron Saunders.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 19, 2012, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 19, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

100% agree.

And he'll get it. I don't think Randy quits on people. Not such a good thing in this case.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 07:35:58 PM
He will get the summer all right, and the season after, the only thing that would change it would be new ownership.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: rutski on February 19, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: DB on February 19, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance? Next season we could well go down if he stays in charge - nothing from his past record or here has made me think that he can do anything regarding a 'success' even within the financial restriants. Get someone proven in dring the summer. I said on another post, MON has turned around a S-land squad IMO worse than ours - AMc is not getting the best out of the players.
get out of your mon dreamland, he got there spending lots of dough and is now getting the best out of players that were recently bought for lots of dough!
he nearly killed our club, ask celtic fans what they really think of him and the reply will be that he left the club with average players nearing the end of their careers on long contracts and earning loads of money!!! Sound familiar???
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 19, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: rutski on February 19, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: DB on February 19, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance? Next season we could well go down if he stays in charge - nothing from his past record or here has made me think that he can do anything regarding a 'success' even within the financial restriants. Get someone proven in dring the summer. I said on another post, MON has turned around a S-land squad IMO worse than ours - AMc is not getting the best out of the players.
get out of your mon dreamland, he got there spending lots of dough and is now getting the best out of players that were recently bought for lots of dough!
he nearly killed our club, ask celtic fans what they really think of him and the reply will be that he left the club with average players nearing the end of their careers on long contracts and earning loads of money!!! Sound familiar???

Martin O'Neill - Just like Harry Redknapp but without the twitch and the dodgy tax advice.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 19, 2012, 08:15:17 PM
Problem is who can McLiesh attract to the club and, RL gives him the summer, give him a transfer kitty of ex amount, it doesn't work, where then, and one thing is for sure, its becoming very apparent that RL pockets are far from bottomless, should we wast what little there is.

For me the next few games are crucial, drop points and Eck must be shown the door.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 19, 2012, 08:19:49 PM
It's McLeish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 19, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
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No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance? Next season we could well go down if he stays in charge - nothing from his past record or here has made me think that he can do anything regarding a 'success' even within the financial restriants. Get someone proven in dring the summer. I said on another post, MON has turned around a S-land squad IMO worse than ours - AMc is not getting the best out of the players.
get out of your mon dreamland, he got there spending lots of dough and is now getting the best out of players that were recently bought for lots of dough!
he nearly killed our club, ask celtic fans what they really think of him and the reply will be that he left the club with average players nearing the end of their careers on long contracts and earning loads of money!!! Sound familiar???

Martin O'Neill - Just like Harry Redknapp but without the twitch and the dodgy tax advice.

WTF??? Just because I make a positive remark about MON, I'm in a dreamland??? I was only making the point that before he arrived at S-land they were poor, now they have improved significantly - fact. My point is a better manager could come into Villa nd turn it around. I am fully aware of how MON f*cked us over.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
I can't imagine McLeish getting the sack, even if he gets us relegated.

Lerner, when taking the mind boggling decision to give him the job in the first place, staked his reputation on this appointment. He's not going to give him his P45 if he can avoid it.

I really do think that if we finish 15th or so this season, next year Villa Park is going to be more of a graveyard than it has been in many a year.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 19, 2012, 09:27:10 PM
The only possible chance for McLeish to get sacked this season or the next if the attendence takes a massive drop. Once Randy's wallet takes a hit he'll make his move. At the moment, he doesn't give a crap about the way we play and rubbish results. He's been in hiding in the USA while leaving us with the dark cloud. All he cares about is staying in the league. The manager could finish 17th with below 40 points and he'll be given another season because Randy got his Sky cheque.

I have faith in the Villa fanbase they won't tolerate this any longer. It's not like they're taking any enjoyment of watching McLeish's anti football, horrible form of home results and the hostile crowd. There's an unlimited things to do better you could do for free with family/friends than spending quite abit of money watching dross from half arsed millionaires (that's the manager included) and I'm sure quite the majority of them won't purchase a season ticket next season unless of course they enjoy torturing themselves.

Yep, I have total faith that the season tickets will take a major hit next season and once Randy's wallet gets hurt (all he cares about is money, he's never really been a Villa fan) he'll be quick to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 19, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
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I really do think that if we finish 15th or so this season, next year Villa Park is going to be more of a graveyard than it has been in many a year.

They'll be supporters at Villa Park whatever the situation, but there certainly isn't anything to get the fans excited when there. Sunderlands current success is particularly horrible given the decline Villa are in. I'm really not forward to playing them again.

Lerner is amazingly worse than Ellis in my view.I can't see good,times returning unless he sells up, the last 2 seasons have been baffling.  He's not a good American football owner either. His ideas simply don't work.

I had seen some good signs under Mcleish but the last game seemed a huge step back.he hasn't been able,to get the most of the players at his disposal and the fans will never be fully with him. The owner doesn't appear to have a winning strategy and I'm pretty sure the manager is here to stay.

Apathy all round, and opinion seems divided among the fan base so I can see a few more years of this until enough becomes enough.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dingo on February 19, 2012, 10:01:10 PM
Please sack him i used to love going to see the Villa .
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 19, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 19, 2012, 09:27:10 PM

Yep, I have total faith that the season tickets will take a major hit next season
Is this what they mean when they say 'keep the faith'?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on February 19, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 19, 2012, 09:27:10 PM

Yep, I have total faith that the season tickets will take a major hit next season
Is this what they mean when they say 'keep the faith'?

Not really with regard to McLeish / us in particular, but in a general sense, it doesn't work that way any more, does it?

I think the balance tipped on that when ticket prices reached a certain level, and when we stopped being (in the eyes of the clubs ) supporters, and started being customers.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 19, 2012, 10:58:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on February 19, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 19, 2012, 09:27:10 PM

Yep, I have total faith that the season tickets will take a major hit next season
Is this what they mean when they say 'keep the faith'?

Not really with regard to McLeish / us in particular, but in a general sense, it doesn't work that way any more, does it?

I think the balance tipped on that when ticket prices reached a certain level, and when we stopped being (in the eyes of the clubs ) supporters, and started being customers.


Big mistake they made there. Look at the crowd at Sunderland vs Arsenal. Pathetic. I think the bubble has burst. Empty seats everywhere. There will be an avalanche effect across all clubs. They try to cut prices but it makes no difference.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 19, 2012, 11:00:57 PM
I caught about ten minutes of that match, and was sure I heard the commentators refer to "a sprinkling of empty seats", which was at odds with the swathes and swathes of about 20,000 empty seats that I could see.

It was like an East German news broadcast from the 1970s, stoically denying the self evident truth.

I don't think the bubble has burst, and I suspect that for a few top clubs, it won't burst to such a degree as it will for others, but personally, the sooner it does, the better as far as I am concerned.

I've a feeling English football now is like Italian football in the late 80s - where all the money is, but mortgaged to its hilt and about to hit a decline.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 19, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
It has equally nothing to do with whether McLeish should get the sack or not.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 19, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
It has equally nothing to do with whether McLeish should get the sack or not.

I'm not saying it is. Someone mentioned Sunderland's crowd yesterday and I said they are one of a number of clubs - Wolves and Bolton being others - that never get big crowds for cup matches and don't seem to take them seriously.                   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?
my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity
And Dave while you are at it, maybe you can shed some light as to why the club settled with MON befor arbitration?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 19, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
It has to be money related or lack of it.  I would have thought anyway.  I'm surprised they aren't filling out a bit more often though.  I did hear however that even in the days of coming up to the Premier League (the Quinn and Philips days) they actually gave away about 10,000 tickets per game free to kids.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:42:34 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?
my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity

Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:43:56 PM
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Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?
my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity
And Dave while you are at it, maybe you can shed some light as to why the club settled with MON befor arbitration?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 19, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
It has to be money related or lack of it.  I would have thought anyway.  I'm surprised they aren't filling out a bit more often though.  I did hear however that even in the days of coming up to the Premier League (the Quinn and Philips days) they actually gave away about 10,000 tickets per game free to kids.

It was reckoned that a capacity crowd, which I think was about 45k, had less than 30 paying full price. Fair play to them, they knew how to fill the ground and it certainly got them some attention.   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Thatcher at Downing St on February 20, 2012, 03:28:49 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:42:34 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:37:57 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 19, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 19, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.
the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?
i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?
my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity

Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.

That sounds like the kind of soundbite I'd expect to hear from Faulkner. Or someone peddling the "we're a mid-table mediocroty side, so best you get used to it" mantra on his behalf.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 20, 2012, 06:58:24 AM
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Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.

I'm sure no Villa fan cares about Sunderland more than Villa. In my view it understandable they are mentioned considering who their manager is, the way he left Villa and the way the club has been handled since he left. Look where Sunderland are in the league and cups compared to Viila.

It's difficult to see how anyone can be optimistic about Villa at this time. Villa paid compensation for a manager who got Birmingham relegated. Birmingham, appointed an out of work manager who has transformed their side and got their fans behind him.

Mcleish hasnt managed to get a settled team, good results or a rise up the table. The season is pretty much over now, unless we get relegated...which could happen.

The question here is should Mcleish gets sacked or not? Which is not going to happen as the current chairman appointed him. Amazing that it is, Lerner thought this was a good idea so he will stick with his choice.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ROBBO on February 20, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: john e on February 20, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 20, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.


i would say a list as long as your arm
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: VillaAlways on February 20, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: john e on February 20, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 20, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.


i would say a list as long as your arm
Ah ! But would they have had "Proven Premier league experience"

 ::)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: OzVilla on February 20, 2012, 09:30:06 AM
I dislike the way MON left us as much as the next fan but it was 20 months ago.  Has any Villa managers departure ever caused this amount of upheaval for so long.

I had a lot of sympathy for the board at the start of last season but that's long gone now. The board of Aston Villa are responsible for the position the club finds itself in pure and simple - they need to be held accountable for it. 

Other than hopeing to settle for mid table finishes, I have no idea what the plan could be.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: OzVilla on February 20, 2012, 09:35:22 AM
Quote from: john e on February 20, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 20, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.


i would say a list as long as your arm

"A list as long as you arm''.

Now i'm as one eyed as they come but this is turning into one of those urban myths alongside Blose getting bigger corwds than the Villa if they ever go into the Premier League. 

IIRC, the list of potential candidates was the most uninspiring I can ever recall for a Villa Managers job.  The words 'nobody', 'touch' and 'bargepole' spring to mind. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 20, 2012, 09:38:45 AM
I personally feel that even if MON had stayed we still wouldn't have finished 9th last season....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: jonc73 on February 20, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
No we would have finished 7th or 8th...maybe even 6th
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Slight off topic, but something occurred to me about MON when watching the Arsenal v Sunderland game this weekend.  We still debate whether he was agood manager or not, but I think the answer is he is a good manager of a team, but not of a club.  As a team manager, his job is to pick, train and motivate his players to get results in games, which he is excellent at.  As the manager of a club, he also has to navigate the transfer market, consider the larger financial position and build a sustainable model for the club.  These were his faults Villa. 

That's why Sunderland are seeing the best of him right now, but should they wish to build from there and establish themselves in the European spots, they may start seeing his faults.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LeeB on February 20, 2012, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Slight off topic, but something occurred to me about MON when watching the Arsenal v Sunderland game this weekend.  We still debate whether he was agood manager or not, but I think the answer is he is a good manager of a team, but not of a club.  As a team manager, his job is to pick, train and motivate his players to get results in games, which he is excellent at.  As the manager of a club, he also has to navigate the transfer market, consider the larger financial position and build a sustainable model for the club.  These were his faults Villa. 

That's why Sunderland are seeing the best of him right now, but should they wish to build from there and establish themselves in the European spots, they may start seeing his faults.

John, that's absolutely bang on the money in my opinion.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 20, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
John - Spot on.

As for the candidate list, the first draft was quite good. It was when that didn't come off that we went into a tailspin.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 20, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Thatcher at Downing St on February 20, 2012, 03:28:49 AM
That sounds like the kind of soundbite I'd expect to hear from Faulkner. Or someone peddling the "we're a mid-table mediocroty side, so best you get used to it" mantra on his behalf.

Aren't you the rebel, eh?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 20, 2012, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 20, 2012, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Slight off topic, but something occurred to me about MON when watching the Arsenal v Sunderland game this weekend.  We still debate whether he was agood manager or not, but I think the answer is he is a good manager of a team, but not of a club.  As a team manager, his job is to pick, train and motivate his players to get results in games, which he is excellent at.  As the manager of a club, he also has to navigate the transfer market, consider the larger financial position and build a sustainable model for the club.  These were his faults Villa. 

That's why Sunderland are seeing the best of him right now, but should they wish to build from there and establish themselves in the European spots, they may start seeing his faults.

John, that's absolutely bang on the money in my opinion.

It might also help that that Arsenal are at their lowest ebb for many a season.

MON is a good team manager.  We are also finding out that he's a lucky manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 20, 2012, 10:26:06 AM
I am going to try very hard not to mention MON on here ever again.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 20, 2012, 10:29:22 AM
Quote from: damon green on February 20, 2012, 10:26:06 AM
I am going to try very hard not to mention MON on here ever again.

You might want to rethink the username then, Damon.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Mister E on February 20, 2012, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Slight off topic, but something occurred to me about MON when watching the Arsenal v Sunderland game this weekend.  We still debate whether he was agood manager or not, but I think the answer is he is a good manager of a team, but not of a club.  As a team manager, his job is to pick, train and motivate his players to get results in games, which he is excellent at.  As the manager of a club, he also has to navigate the transfer market, consider the larger financial position and build a sustainable model for the club.  These were his faults Villa. 

That's why Sunderland are seeing the best of him right now, but should they wish to build from there and establish themselves in the European spots, they may start seeing his faults.
Yes, I watched that game with great interest.
I found myself looking at the early incarnation of MON's Villa team - incredible energy to close down the more gifted opponents, great team spirit, excellent at breaking out of defence.
With the announcement of Quinn's departure from Sunderland, it'll be interesting to see whether MON's influence grows to fill the space or whether Short has got him on a - well - short leash.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 20, 2012, 10:33:17 AM
I'm not changing my name. Pubey can bloody well change his. *puts 20p in the Pubey tin*
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 20, 2012, 09:57:19 AM
Slight off topic, but something occurred to me about MON when watching the Arsenal v Sunderland game this weekend.  We still debate whether he was agood manager or not, but I think the answer is he is a good manager of a team, but not of a club.  As a team manager, his job is to pick, train and motivate his players to get results in games, which he is excellent at.  As the manager of a club, he also has to navigate the transfer market, consider the larger financial position and build a sustainable model for the club.  These were his faults Villa. 

That's why Sunderland are seeing the best of him right now, but should they wish to build from there and establish themselves in the European spots, they may start seeing his faults.

Agree entirely.

Great managers leave a great legacy. His legacy here was far from great.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Reuben on February 20, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!
Are the other three Barnsley, Swindon and Derby managers?  (move to Football trivia thread)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: London Villan on February 20, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!

Worth £3m in anybody's book.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 20, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on February 20, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
No we would have finished 7th or 8th...maybe even 6th

If as rumoured he was planning on spending the Milner money on Parker and Keane as well as Ireland we may have been top four. Parker is exactly the player we've needed and would shore up our defence no end.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 20, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
The links to Parker suddenly surfaced when he was back in work.

In reality, we hadn't enquired about Parker at all whilst he was still here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Matt C on February 20, 2012, 02:07:56 PM
McGeady and Keane were the principal targets at the time weren't they? The former being touted around for circa £10m.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 20, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
in actual fact noone knows who he was after, despite many people spending lots of time ridiculing him for wanting to sign Keane. That one seems to have gone away now.

The fact remains he was a good Villa manager who will undoubtedly do well at other clubs. People should get over it. The way he left was a shame, but if it had just been him walking out without a reason then he wouldn't have won compensation and we'd know all the details.

For over two years now this club has been a shambles, the buck falls with Learner.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 20, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
MON will always get teams to top 6-8.  That's his level. When you are below that level it looks fantastic.  When you've been at that level for a few seasons, you will inevitably ask "what's next"?.   In MON's case it looked like more of the same was the best we could have hoped for.  That's what Sunderland will get, which will suit them fine for 3-4 years I would think.  Obviously some Villa fans were and still would be quite happy with that, despite the shiteball we were playing.  I wasn't, and the only reasons there are any regrets over his leaving is that the owner revealed himself to be utterly clueless as to how to replace him with a better option, and he'd allowed MON to empty the piggy bank before doing one. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: DB on February 20, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: Reuben on February 20, 2012, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!
Are the other three Barnsley, Swindon and Derby managers?  (move to Football trivia thread)

If I recall, it was McCarthy, Bassett and Megson - so you wern't far off!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fingers on February 20, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 20, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
MON will always get teams to top 6-8.  That's his level. When you are below that level it looks fantastic.  When you've been at that level for a few seasons, you will inevitably ask "what's next"?.   In MON's case it looked like more of the same was the best we could have hoped for.  That's what Sunderland will get, which will suit them fine for 3-4 years I would think.  Obviously some Villa fans were and still would be quite happy with that, despite the shiteball we were playing.  I wasn't, and the only reasons there are any regrets over his leaving is that the owner revealed himself to be utterly clueless as to how to replace him with a better option, and he'd allowed MON to empty the piggy bank before doing one. 

Absolutely and in 3-4 years when Sunderland reach their ceiling and questions are being asked, he'll spit his dummy out and walk away again.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 20, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!
That would be the Premiership experience that Mr Lerner Sir and Faulkner held so much store by.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 20, 2012, 03:53:52 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 20, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
The links to Parker suddenly surfaced when he was back in work.

In reality, we hadn't enquired about Parker at all whilst he was still here.

I do recall speculation at the time (during the long drawn out Milner saga)  linking us with Parker.

But MON wanting Parker doesn't automatically mean we'd have been able to get him - even if the powers that be tried to support that decision.

Parker was West Ham's best player, and this was the summer before they went down so there was no need to sell.  In fact the Smut Peddlers had made a pledge to the fans that he definitely wouldn't be sold.  So if we had wanted to do business, it wouldn't have been a cut price deal anywhere near the figure Tottingham eventually paid 12 months later.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 20, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 20, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: DB on February 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
Just heard from TalkSport that Alex Mc has 4 lowest win ratio of any Manager in the Prem, past or present. Great!
That would be the Premiership experience that Mr Lerner Sir and Faulkner held so much store by.

Aye.

Bad Prem experience is better than good experience in a league of equal (or superior) standing abroad, it seems. Well done to all involved for coming up with that criteria.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 20, 2012, 04:03:33 PM
If Fucking Eck does go in the next few games, there will be a good chance of us ending up with Alan 'Birminham' Curbishley.
He's just pulled out of the running for the Wolves job.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 20, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on February 20, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
No we would have finished 7th or 8th...maybe even 6th

Don't agree and I'll say it again - I believe one of the reasons he walked was he knew the squad he was leaving behind could not reach the same heights as the previous season, he could not bring in replacements until the deadwood was gone and no-one wanted the deadwood.
He left to preserve his reputation as a top 6 manager - if he could have kept replenishing on an unsustainable budget, he would still be here.
One thing Randy Lerner is not, is disloyal.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rigadon on February 20, 2012, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 20, 2012, 04:03:33 PM
If Fucking Eck does go in the next few games, there will be a good chance of us ending up with Alan 'Birminham' Curbishley.
He's just pulled out of the running for the Wolves job.

Don't even joke.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Apyadg on February 20, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Fingers on February 20, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 20, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
MON will always get teams to top 6-8.  That's his level. When you are below that level it looks fantastic.  When you've been at that level for a few seasons, you will inevitably ask "what's next"?.   In MON's case it looked like more of the same was the best we could have hoped for.  That's what Sunderland will get, which will suit them fine for 3-4 years I would think.  Obviously some Villa fans were and still would be quite happy with that, despite the shiteball we were playing.  I wasn't, and the only reasons there are any regrets over his leaving is that the owner revealed himself to be utterly clueless as to how to replace him with a better option, and he'd allowed MON to empty the piggy bank before doing one. 

Absolutely and in 3-4 years when Sunderland reach their ceiling and questions are being asked, he'll spit his dummy out and walk away again.

Why would they ask questions? Top 6 for Sunderland, consistantly, season after season, is fantastic. He'll be idolised there as he was at Leicester, and if he plays his cards right he'll get a much better job for achieving such success there (When have Sunderland ever consistantly been a team in the top 6, or there abouts?

He'll have problems, I think, if he moves on to a team that have tasted a bit more success and want to move on from there.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 20, 2012, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Fingers on February 20, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 20, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
MON will always get teams to top 6-8.  That's his level. When you are below that level it looks fantastic.  When you've been at that level for a few seasons, you will inevitably ask "what's next"?.   In MON's case it looked like more of the same was the best we could have hoped for.  That's what Sunderland will get, which will suit them fine for 3-4 years I would think.  Obviously some Villa fans were and still would be quite happy with that, despite the shiteball we were playing.  I wasn't, and the only reasons there are any regrets over his leaving is that the owner revealed himself to be utterly clueless as to how to replace him with a better option, and he'd allowed MON to empty the piggy bank before doing one. 

Absolutely and in 3-4 years when Sunderland reach their ceiling and questions are being asked, he'll spit his dummy out and walk away again.

So we had a right to expect better than 6-8th.  And who amongst Manure, Arse, Liverpool, Spuds, Citeh, Chavski were we going to leapfrog on a regular basis to achieve the greatness we so richly deserve based on past records?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rigadon on February 20, 2012, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 20, 2012, 05:22:26 PM
Quote from: Fingers on February 20, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 20, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
MON will always get teams to top 6-8.  That's his level. When you are below that level it looks fantastic.  When you've been at that level for a few seasons, you will inevitably ask "what's next"?.   In MON's case it looked like more of the same was the best we could have hoped for.  That's what Sunderland will get, which will suit them fine for 3-4 years I would think.  Obviously some Villa fans were and still would be quite happy with that, despite the shiteball we were playing.  I wasn't, and the only reasons there are any regrets over his leaving is that the owner revealed himself to be utterly clueless as to how to replace him with a better option, and he'd allowed MON to empty the piggy bank before doing one. 

Absolutely and in 3-4 years when Sunderland reach their ceiling and questions are being asked, he'll spit his dummy out and walk away again.

So we had a right to expect better than 6-8th.  And who amongst Manure, Arse, Liverpool, Spuds, Citeh, Chavski were we going to leapfrog on a regular basis to achieve the greatness we so richly deserve based on past records?


None at all, but that we didn't ever leap frog them tells you a story of it's own doesn't it?  Sorry to jump into the debate by the way.

MON's a good manager and we were a better side with him at the helm, no question about it.  But he didn't get us into the champions league.  Whether he does so at Sunderland is a matter of debate but my guess is he won't. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 20, 2012, 05:37:29 PM
We were competing with Spurs and in fact getting above them till a couple of seasons ago under MON. The next step was bringing in quality. I remember during a phone in during his last season when he said he felt we were getting close to being able to attract real quality players from abroad. He openly said before his last season how he wanted Snieder but wasn't able to get him. Then Spurs go and get players like Van der Vaart. MON got us to that point where we had to then take another step. Yes he wasted some money, but he also bought some very good players as well. He built a team with characters and leaders, but it needed more. I remember walking out of Wembley after the League Cup final and feeling that this could be the end. A team needs that trophy, that bit of luck. MON may be lucky but he didn't get that bit of luck that day .
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 20, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
The key moment for me was the signing of Heskey.

We were crying out for a goalscorer and he showed no nous or imagination by signing one of his ex charges, who not only wasn't a consistent goalscorer, but had gone past his peak anyway.

His dogged insistence on refusing to sign players from foreign leagues was baffling and caused us to go down the expensive British League route, the expense of which ultimately led to his man baby walkout, which incidentaly was timed with a spitefullness that defies belief.

I think in the transfer market he was a very confused person, signing the likes of Davies and Beye on top dollar and then deciding virtually straight away that he didn't want them.

Decent motivator, but found wanting in the all round role of a Manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 20, 2012, 06:39:37 PM
Agreed Fletch.

That said, I see him at Sunderland getting the best out of young McLean and -lets be frank- some absolute dross, and I think: yes, I wouldn't mind some of that. 

He could have been a great manager for us- had he worked within certain parameters and had someone like Levy to tell him 'No!'  to blatantly shit deals like Harewood, Beye, Shorey, Heskey and co.  As it was, it was such a shock to the system for anyone at Villa to question him that when it did finally occur (four years into the job)  he took his ball home and pissed his pants.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 20, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 20, 2012, 06:39:37 PM
Agreed Fletch.

That said, I see him at Sunderland getting the best out of young McLean and -lets be frank- some absolute dross, and I think: yes, I wouldn't mind some of that. 

He could have been a great manager for us- had he worked within certain parameters and had someone like Levy to tell him 'No!'  to blatantly shit deals like Harewood, Beye, Shorey, Heskey and co.  As it was, it was such a shock to the system for anyone at Villa to question him that when it did finally occur (four years into the job)  he took his ball home and pissed his pants.
You're right Kevin.

Apparently he was given free rein at the club, virtually from top to bottom.
It was necessary from Mr Lerner Sir and co's point of view at the time as they have all the footballing knowledge of Brian Sewell.

They realised too late that his spending was getting out of hand, Mr Lerner Sir has to take most of the blame for the whole sorry mess that resulted.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:22:40 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:26:21 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: itbrvilla on February 20, 2012, 07:37:29 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on February 20, 2012, 05:37:29 PM
We were competing with Spurs and in fact getting above them till a couple of seasons ago under MON. The next step was bringing in quality. I remember during a phone in during his last season when he said he felt we were getting close to being able to attract real quality players from abroad. He openly said before his last season how he wanted Snieder but wasn't able to get him. Then Spurs go and get players like Van der Vaart. MON got us to that point where we had to then take another step. Yes he wasted some money, but he also bought some very good players as well. He built a team with characters and leaders, but it needed more. I remember walking out of Wembley after the League Cup final and feeling that this could be the end. A team needs that trophy, that bit of luck. MON may be lucky but he didn't get that bit of luck that day .
you don't get any luck if you barely have 1 shot on target over 2 Wembley appearances.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:48:55 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villa1 on February 20, 2012, 09:58:31 PM
I've tried to support McLeish as much as possible, but i've come to the point where i've had enough and I think he needs to go.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 20, 2012, 10:32:33 PM
Yes.

I'd like to give him til the end of the season but I don't want my team to go down/survive playing shit football.
I've seen us play well a few times but no shape, no patterns, no ball retention, no genuine desire to create, cause problems for the opposition that might lead to something resembling pride in their performance and really wanting to win. When the manager has to tell the players to go and thank the supporters for travelling to away games and supporting them better than most teams, I wonder who's at fault!   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on February 20, 2012, 05:37:29 PM
We were competing with Spurs and in fact getting above them till a couple of seasons ago under MON. The next step was bringing in quality. I remember during a phone in during his last season when he said he felt we were getting close to being able to attract real quality players from abroad. He openly said before his last season how he wanted Snieder but wasn't able to get him. Then Spurs go and get players like Van der Vaart. MON got us to that point where we had to then take another step. Yes he wasted some money, but he also bought some very good players as well. He built a team with characters and leaders, but it needed more. I remember walking out of Wembley after the League Cup final and feeling that this could be the end. A team needs that trophy, that bit of luck. MON may be lucky but he didn't get that bit of luck that day .

You make it sound like he actually wanted to sign Sneijder rather than him just saying when asked that he was a good player and everyone needs to be interested in good players.

MON's biggest shortfall was his lazy, insular transfer policy. I don't imagine he will be any different at Sunderland.

To suggest he'd have gone on an imaginative spending spree in Europe if he hadn't flounced off strikes me as a bit fanciful.

As for Wembley, as others have said, no shots on goal means you're not going to win.

Regarding competing with Spurs, one reason we fell away from them was because while Spurs were paying Modric 20k a week, we were throwing double that at Steve Sidwell.. That says it all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 20, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
Nearly treble that actually.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: meddavillan_dd on February 20, 2012, 11:41:59 PM
Should never have had the job in the first place. Check out Wikipedia "list of Aston  Villa managers". It lists the win percentage of every Villa manager since 1884 and AM is second from bottom. Just ahead of the oft maligned Billy McBungle. Oft maligned because he was crap. Sacked before he could do too much damage by Deadly. The day AM gets the sack there'll be street parties in Brum. Don't sack him on jubilee day. I want to celebrate the occasion without anything dulling the feeling of elation (at AM's sacking, obviously).
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 21, 2012, 12:03:50 AM
oh man. shouldn't laugh but those video's are ace.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 21, 2012, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Regarding competing with Spurs, one reason we fell away from them was because while Spurs were paying Modric 20k a week, we were throwing double that at Steve Sidwell.. That says it all.

Yes when you read something like that it makes you realise that MON was nowhere near as astute as some would have us believe, and what a massive opportunity he wasted by refusing to sign good players from abroad.  I don't believe for a second he was genuinely interested in trying to get Sneijder in either.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 21, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 21, 2012, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Regarding competing with Spurs, one reason we fell away from them was because while Spurs were paying Modric 20k a week, we were throwing double that at Steve Sidwell.. That says it all.

Yes when you read something like that it makes you realise that MON was nowhere near as astute as some would have us believe, and what a massive opportunity he wasted by refusing to sign good players from abroad.  I don't believe for a second he was genuinely interested in trying to get Sneijder in either.

I can't comment on the Sneijder thing, but the difference is that when in a strong position Spurs were able to go up a level in transfer dealings with players like Modric and VDV.  We still couldn't get anything better then we already had, such as Downing.

I do think the London thing had a bearing, but most of the fault must lie with MON.  Maybe not for not going for these players, but because we couldn't as finances being tight due to funds being effectively wasted on squad players that weren't featuring.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 21, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
Excellent clips Lee.

Probably not that far from reality either.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 21, 2012, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 20, 2012, 07:26:21 PM


Too jazzy?  Funny as hell if it wasnt so depressing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
This from twitter.  Nothing to do with me.

Villa Fans United decline meeting with Aston Villa CEO Paul Faulkner
Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:20
Written by Damian
 
Well, there you go Ryan, well done. Villa Fans United founder and one man campaign to get Alex McLeish sacked has stuck up two fingers to Aston Villa CEO and declined the invitation to meet with him at Bodymoor Heath.

Instead, they are going to continue their campaign and then happily meet after he has gone. I'm not sure there will be an invitation when he has gone, because the aim of Villa Fans United, to get Alex McLeish sacked, would have been been achieved and after that, I'm not so sure he would want to meet with Ryan, but it was a nice touch.

The response

I am this time going to copy the response from Villa Fans United after the club apparently offered a meeting, because it is easier.

Good Morning,

It has been decided after careful consideration that Villa Fans United will be declining the offer of a meeting with Aston Villa CEO Paul Faulkner.

The reason for the decision that has been taken is that we feel that any meeting at this point would be detrimental to the core points of our movement, we feel that this would only serve to strengthen the resolve of the club, in both the appointment and tenure of the current manager.

We would welcome the opportunity to meet with Mr Faulkner if and when there is a change of management, however it is our intention to step up the action plan that has been developed and continue to gather support and momentum for the group.

This is proving to be an emotionally draining period for Aston Villa Supporters, and it is our belief that nothing will improve until a change in management initially, and then a change of ethos by the club is in place. As a result we feel it is our duty to offer the Aston Villa fans an avenue to make a difference on the immediate and long term future of the club.

Please feel free to continue to communicate with Villa Fans United in writing at this time

Kind Regards
Villa Fans United
A bit of a slap in the face for Faulkner, but he had his reasons for calling the meeting and many saw through it. He also probably doesn't care.

Growing speculation that Lerner will sell

I want to leave the post today on Lerner selling up. Speculation is growing and there are a few putting one and one together and looking like they are getting two. Wouldn't you just love it?

It is speculation but he isn't a fan, he is only interested in money and he doesn't care and if he is offered enough, he probably wil. Remember, there is no smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 21, 2012, 01:26:51 PM
Villa Fans United, is that what was once Villa fans Combined? 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
Treat people politely and that's the thanks you get. And if that's Damian as in Dugdale, he's been moaning about Randy since before he took over.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 21, 2012, 01:32:43 PM
Who the fuck are Villa Fans United?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/aston-villa-blog/avfc-opinion/villa-fans-united/

This was posted on the same blog on Friday, 17 feb.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 21, 2012, 01:40:48 PM
It's because of self important idiots like this, who turn down a meeting with their club's CEO, that I REALLY want to see McLeish get it right at Villa.

And that fact it means we'll be winning games, of course!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on February 21, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
Quote
The reason for the decision that has been taken is that we feel that any meeting at this point would be detrimental to the core points of our movement, we feel that this would only serve to strengthen the resolve of the club, in both the appointment and tenure of the current manager.

We would welcome the opportunity to meet with Mr Faulkner if and when there is a change of management, however it is our intention to step up the action plan that has been developed and continue to gather support and momentum for the group.

What a load of pompous bullshit.
Villa Fans United? More like a bunch of tw@ts united.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 21, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
The reason he's not meeting Faulkner is because he's a dribbling keyboard warrior who knows he's be shown up for the cock he is if he had to talk with a real grown-up about grown-up things away from the internet.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/aston-villa-blog/avfc-opinion/villa-fans-united/

This was posted on the same blog on Friday, 17 feb.

Two things to remember here.
1) Damian Dugdale has, for some reason, never like Randy so everything he writes is coming from a negative angle.
2) It's the internet. Anyone can set up a little online gang and make themselves look important. 

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 21, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
The reason he's not meeting Faulkner is because he's a dribbling keyboard warrior who knows he's be shown up for the cock he is if he had to talk with a real grown-up about grown-up things away from the internet.

*like*
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/aston-villa-blog/avfc-opinion/villa-fans-united/

This was posted on the same blog on Friday, 17 feb.

Two things to remember here.
1) Damian Dugdale has, for some reason, never like Randy so everything he writes is coming from a negative angle.
2) It's the internet. Anyone can set up a little online gang and make themselves look important. 



Who exactly is Damien Dugdale?  Would I know him?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 21, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
I don't even know why Faulkner offered them the possible oxygen of a meeting. It would have been a completely pointless exercise. He won't be able to change their somewhat underdeveloped minds and they won't be able to influence the decision-making of the club.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 21, 2012, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 21, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
I don't even know why Faulkner offered them the possible oxygen of a meeting. It would have been a completely pointless exercise. He won't be able to change their somewhat underdeveloped minds and they won't be able to influence the decision-making of the club.

I'd imagine he firstly wants to show the club cares about the fan's opinions and secondly wants to try and convince them of the longterm plan and get them back onside. 

For the 2nd part, I'd suggest small words and illustrations in crayon are the best way to communicate with them.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Ian. on February 21, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:48:51 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 21, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
The reason he's not meeting Faulkner is because he's a dribbling keyboard warrior who knows he's be shown up for the cock he is if he had to talk with a real grown-up about grown-up things away from the internet.

*like*
Yes and another.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2012, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2012, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 21, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/aston-villa-blog/avfc-opinion/villa-fans-united/

This was posted on the same blog on Friday, 17 feb.

Two things to remember here.
1) Damian Dugdale has, for some reason, never like Randy so everything he writes is coming from a negative angle.
2) It's the internet. Anyone can set up a little online gang and make themselves look important. 



Who exactly is Damien Dugdale?  Would I know him?

Doubt it. He's had spells living abroad and certainly hasn't ever 'networked,' as I believe the term goes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 21, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
Wasn't he damiand on here and got banned for being the business end of a gentleman's reproductory organ?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2012, 03:13:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 21, 2012, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 21, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
I don't even know why Faulkner offered them the possible oxygen of a meeting. It would have been a completely pointless exercise. He won't be able to change their somewhat underdeveloped minds and they won't be able to influence the decision-making of the club.

I'd imagine he firstly wants to show the club cares about the fan's opinions and secondly wants to try and convince them of the longterm plan and get them back onside. 

For the 2nd part, I'd suggest small words and illustrations in crayon are the best way to communicate with them.

They'll be confused by colour John and will have missed the various advances made in writing instruments. Faulkner would have needed to have had some bone and a clay tablet available. Pray that nobody struck a match and showed them fire at any point too.

Good posts John and Dave. The club extended an olive branch and for these idiots not have the slightest open mind to at least hear the other side without any other noise is indicative of who they are, and what they have come to represent. Even if at the end they still disagree which is their right, they'll have had the intelligence and foresight to take in another very important perspective.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Damo70 on February 21, 2012, 04:17:07 PM
Villa Fans United - so united they can't even agree that they have chosen the right name for themselves. They turn down a meeting with Faulkner and instead of seeing it as a missed opportunity to put across their views they reckon it's a slap in the face for him. I'm sure he will still be able to sleep at night. They also state they have only one aimand that is to get McLeish sacked but reckon once that aim is achieved they will then meet Faulkner. Why? Do they reckon he will let them choose the next manager? And one of the digs they have at Randy Lerner is they reckon he would sell for the right price. Firstly, that's hardly a shock revelation and secondly I would have thought that would suit them. These Ryan and Damian characters remind me of Baldrick and Percy.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 21, 2012, 04:57:42 PM
Looking at the comments they are using the old VFC defence of "Either join us or shut up, at least we are doing something."
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rigadon on February 21, 2012, 05:09:44 PM
I'd comment on this pathetic, self-important, childish garbage but it goes against the core principles of my movement. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 21, 2012, 05:14:42 PM
I can't be bothered even to be embarrassed for them. They look stupid and they deserve it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Legion on February 21, 2012, 06:26:35 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on February 21, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
Wasn't he damiand on here

Yes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 21, 2012, 06:32:30 PM
Ha, ha. What a pathetic looking bunch of idiots.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 21, 2012, 07:24:16 PM
How can they call themselves Villa Fans United when they've only got 195 people following them on Facebook?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 21, 2012, 07:37:45 PM
Well done Faulkner for inviting them, its like the kid at school that goes around threatening everybody until someone says allright you and me, outside. Then all of a sudden thier bravado deserts them-pathetic
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dicedlam on February 21, 2012, 07:39:15 PM
A bunch of berks all of them.
The Villa Fans...whatever for refusing to talk to the club and thinking its a slap in the face for the club. 
And Faulkner for offering to talk with them in the first place.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: mrfuse on February 21, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 21, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 21, 2012, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Regarding competing with Spurs, one reason we fell away from them was because while Spurs were paying Modric 20k a week, we were throwing double that at Steve Sidwell.. That says it all.

Yes when you read something like that it makes you realise that MON was nowhere near as astute as some would have us believe, and what a massive opportunity he wasted by refusing to sign good players from abroad.  I don't believe for a second he was genuinely interested in trying to get Sneijder in either.

I can't comment on the Sneijder thing, but the difference is that when in a strong position Spurs were able to go up a level in transfer dealings with players like Modric and VDV.  We still couldn't get anything better then we already had, such as Downing.

I do think the London thing had a bearing, but most of the fault must lie with MON.  Maybe not for not going for these players, but because we couldn't as finances being tight due to funds being effectively wasted on squad players that weren't featuring.

Id rather nearly compete with spurs than nearly compete with the baggies as were doing now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Woody on February 21, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Ah Damian Dugdale...the frontman for a South African bid if I remember his call correctly.

The collective power of the supporters' voice...why not use an existing democratic supporter group model?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 21, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Maybe we the heroes and villains forum united should meet Faulkner? Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 21, 2012, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 21, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Maybe we the heroes and villains forum united should meet Faulkner? Should be interesting.
Count me in
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 21, 2012, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: diceman on February 21, 2012, 07:39:15 PM
A bunch of berks all of them.
The Villa Fans...whatever for refusing to talk to the club and thinking its a slap in the face for the club. 
And Faulkner for offering to talk with them in the first place.
Sorry, I dont think you can fault Faulkner on this.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Lee on February 21, 2012, 11:58:24 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on February 20, 2012, 02:13:46 PM
in actual fact noone knows who he was after, despite many people spending lots of time ridiculing him for wanting to sign Keane. That one seems to have gone away now.

The fact remains he was a good Villa manager who will undoubtedly do well at other clubs. People should get over it. The way he left was a shame, but if it had just been him walking out without a reason then he wouldn't have won compensation and we'd know all the details.

For over two years now this club has been a shambles, the buck falls with Learner.

There is leaving for a reason and there is leaving and being spiteful. I have been told roughly what he got and the way he was rather "happy" that not only with the pay off, but also the fact that he had got one over on the club by walking out when he did. That is the reason that I have a distaste for the man and will continue, despite his relative success he had at Villa.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 22, 2012, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 21, 2012, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 21, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Maybe we the heroes and villains forum united should meet Faulkner? Should be interesting.
Count me in

I'm there, and in a hurry.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 22, 2012, 02:39:35 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 21, 2012, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: diceman on February 21, 2012, 07:39:15 PM
A bunch of berks all of them.
The Villa Fans...whatever for refusing to talk to the club and thinking its a slap in the face for the club. 
And Faulkner for offering to talk with them in the first place.
Sorry, I dont think you can fault Faulkner on this.



Whoever made the offer gave them credibility. Good on them for wanting to engage with fans - I can't imagine any other club doing it - but this now gives every internet rebel without a clue the excuse to think up three initials, say they're not happy and wait for the invite. They'll now be sitting in their bedrooms talking with their online mates about how they showed that Faulkner up and it gives any media muckraker the perfect opportunity to say "Look - even their own fans don't want to talk to them."
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 22, 2012, 03:22:47 AM
I just went to the bathroom and had a movement that has a lot more credibility than that bunch of fuckwits.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villadelph on February 22, 2012, 04:41:58 AM
I just want to know who raised the name Alex McLeish. I don't want to fault them for it or curse them, I just want to know who was the original brain behind the who thing. Who said, "What about 'Eck?"
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 22, 2012, 05:01:45 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 22, 2012, 04:41:58 AM
I just want to know who raised the name Alex McLeish. I don't want to fault them for it or curse them, I just want to know who was the original brain behind the who thing. Who said, "What about 'Eck?"

What happened was one guy said "What about Steve McLaren"
Disgruntled by the suggestion, our northern employees said "ooh by heck!"
Randy, confused by the colloquial turn of phrase, interpreted this as "buy Eck".
So not only did we end up with Eck as our manager but we also bought him which is where the compensation farce comes in.

True story.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 22, 2012, 08:03:52 AM
Can you imagine the clowns sitting in the meeting with Paul Faulkner? They would be very uncomfortable in that position, red faced around a table and extremely self conscious.

They would have to get one brave soul at the front saying 'two relegations but nuffink to do with Small Heath' while the rest stand behind looking over his shoulder, as if trying to get into range of an imaginary Sky TV camera, clapping and bursting into hilarious renditions of Shit on the City.

There will be one of them, as there is in all these groups, who sees this as his chance to be invited onto the board so he can swill champagne before, during and after every game and stick two fingers up to his friends who are still 'never going again mate'. At that point, he couldn't care less who the manager is, how much the tickets cost or whatever happended to O'Neill. It is, and always has been for some of them, a precursor to selling souls to the Devil.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 22, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
Well put John. What time are you getting to the pub Saturday? We will rock up at eleven.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 22, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 22, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
Well put John. What time are you getting to the pub Saturday? We will rock up at eleven.
I'm afraid it is one of those occasions when I have to stay sober, owing to working later, so I can only look on with envy. That pub, which shall of course remain nameless, has some excellent quaffing ale.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 22, 2012, 08:41:34 AM
How many? I intend to sample one of each across the course of the day/evening.

Does that mean Pauline will be doing your drinking for you?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 22, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
If we don't win at Wigan any remaining belief that McLeish can make this work will go.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 22, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 22, 2012, 08:41:34 AM
How many? I intend to sample one of each across the course of the day/evening.

Does that mean Pauline will be doing your drinking for you?

No it does not!   ;)  I don't really like drinking much before a game as I end up missing half the on pitch action spending my time running back and forth to the toilet.   :-[
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 22, 2012, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on February 22, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
If we don't win at Wigan any remaining belief that McLeish can make this work will go.

No judgements like that should be made based on one game.  As I see it, we have 4 'winnable' ones coming up, so what we might be able to do is see what happens over those 4 and then draw some meaningful conclusions.

I've always been on the opinion we need to give him the season and I stand by that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
Quote
No judgements like that should be made based on one game

last 6 games, last 10 games, the season to date. I'd form the same judgement to be honest.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 22, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 21, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 21, 2012, 09:02:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2012, 11:19:26 PM
Regarding competing with Spurs, one reason we fell away from them was because while Spurs were paying Modric 20k a week, we were throwing double that at Steve Sidwell.. That says it all.

Yes when you read something like that it makes you realise that MON was nowhere near as astute as some would have us believe, and what a massive opportunity he wasted by refusing to sign good players from abroad.  I don't believe for a second he was genuinely interested in trying to get Sneijder in either.

I can't comment on the Sneijder thing, but the difference is that when in a strong position Spurs were able to go up a level in transfer dealings with players like Modric and VDV.  We still couldn't get anything better then we already had, such as Downing.

I do think the London thing had a bearing, but most of the fault must lie with MON.  Maybe not for not going for these players, but because we couldn't as finances being tight due to funds being effectively wasted on squad players that weren't featuring.

John I think the London thing affects some established, very top level players,  but is generally a bit of a myth.  We never had problems attracting decent, if not world beating,  foreign players before.  O'Leary, for all his faults, persuaded Laursen to move from Milan, and brought Bouma in from regular CL football at PSV.  Baros was still a fairly big name when we signed him as well, although he came from within the UK.  Carew was also happy to come, but we probably only got him because O'Neill wanted shot of Baros.  Modric was not the finished article when Spurs signed him, and I reckon could have been picked up by the likes of us. VDV I'm less sure, he's a bit of a playboy by all accounts, and may be a bright lights boy.  Fellaini went to Everton, so why not us, isntead of,say, Sidwell? Odemwingie went to WBA, and while not amazing, surely a better investment than Harewood or Heskey?  Wigan managed to unearth Palacios and Valencia.   I don't see why O'Neill could not have signed similar calibre players from abroad - or at least tried.  If he had money to try and sign MgGeady for 10m as was rumoured, why not a player from abroad, probably on half the wages?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 22, 2012, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
Quote
No judgements like that should be made based on one game

last 6 games, last 10 games, the season to date. I'd form the same judgement to be honest.

Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

That's why I think any declaration of 'make or break' games are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 22, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
Pauline, with the way we have played at times this year, a pre match beverage or six is about the only way I can get through the torture!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Quote
Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

Not really. My opinion that he should be sacked wasn't formed on the basis of a single result and my opinion won't be reversed by a single result.

I think he should go, simple as that.

He may very well be a nice bloke but they said that about Graham Turner
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Quote
Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

Not really. My opinion that he should be sacked wasn't formed on the basis of a single result and my opinion won't be reversed by a single result.

I think he should go, simple as that.

He may very well be a nice bloke but they said that about Graham Turner

That's the thing, innit, even if you ignore subjective things like the style of football, the perceived negativity etc etc, and look purely at our record this season, you see this: P25 W6 D10 L9, and we're in 15th place.

That's nothing like good enough.

When he was appointed, those of us who were convinced this was a bad idea were frequently told that it was purely because of him coming from Blues.

Some of us pointed out that we were most worried about his record for piss poor performance in the Premier League, and lo and behold, what have we seen? Piss poor results.

Then you could look at the subjective thing, many of us also pointed out that he had a proven record for playing terrible negative football. Lo and behold, we've also seen plenty of that as well.

Not good enough on either count, I'm afraid.

Oh, and yes, you could look at this time last season and suggest we weren't much better then - the difference is, we've not had the worst run of injuries in living memory like we did last season, and this time around we've had a £24m international striker for the whole season.

We don't have Young or Downing either, but we've replaced at least one of them - or tried to - and that's not looking too convincing, either.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 22, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
Good post paulie.
And, remember, he inherted a much,much better squad here than he left there and he still can't get the results ! 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 22, 2012, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Quote
Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

Not really. My opinion that he should be sacked wasn't formed on the basis of a single result and my opinion won't be reversed by a single result.

I think he should go, simple as that.

He may very well be a nice bloke but they said that about Graham Turner
It wouldn't be a single result, it would be the straw that broke the camel's back against probably the worst side in the league...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 22, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Quote
Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

Not really. My opinion that he should be sacked wasn't formed on the basis of a single result and my opinion won't be reversed by a single result.

I think he should go, simple as that.

He may very well be a nice bloke but they said that about Graham Turner

That's the thing, innit, even if you ignore subjective things like the style of football, the perceived negativity etc etc, and look purely at our record this season, you see this: P25 W6 D10 L9, and we're in 15th place.

That's nothing like good enough.

When he was appointed, those of us who were convinced this was a bad idea were frequently told that it was purely because of him coming from Blues.

Some of us pointed out that we were most worried about his record for piss poor performance in the Premier League, and lo and behold, what have we seen? Piss poor results.

Then you could look at the subjective thing, many of us also pointed out that he had a proven record for playing terrible negative football. Lo and behold, we've also seen plenty of that as well.

Not good enough on either count, I'm afraid.

Oh, and yes, you could look at this time last season and suggest we weren't much better then - the difference is, we've not had the worst run of injuries in living memory like we did last season, and this time around we've had a £24m international striker for the whole season.

We don't have Young or Downing either, but we've replaced at least one of them - or tried to - and that's not looking too convincing, either.
Nah.
You don't like him because he managed the Dog shit.

(Leaps behind sofa)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 22, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
If things carry on the way they have been the last couple of days, the percentage voting against will sneak above 40%.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 22, 2012, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2012, 12:28:02 PM
Quote
Yes, but would a thumping 6 nil win change your mind about him?

Not really. My opinion that he should be sacked wasn't formed on the basis of a single result and my opinion won't be reversed by a single result.

I think he should go, simple as that.

He may very well be a nice bloke but they said that about Graham Turner

That's the thing, innit, even if you ignore subjective things like the style of football, the perceived negativity etc etc, and look purely at our record this season, you see this: P25 W6 D10 L9, and we're in 15th place.

That's nothing like good enough.

When he was appointed, those of us who were convinced this was a bad idea were frequently told that it was purely because of him coming from Blues.

Some of us pointed out that we were most worried about his record for piss poor performance in the Premier League, and lo and behold, what have we seen? Piss poor results.

Then you could look at the subjective thing, many of us also pointed out that he had a proven record for playing terrible negative football. Lo and behold, we've also seen plenty of that as well.

Not good enough on either count, I'm afraid.

Oh, and yes, you could look at this time last season and suggest we weren't much better then - the difference is, we've not had the worst run of injuries in living memory like we did last season, and this time around we've had a £24m international striker for the whole season.

We don't have Young or Downing either, but we've replaced at least one of them - or tried to - and that's not looking too convincing, either.

Yeah all in all from every angle it looks like what many expected it to be, a bad appointment with bad results and horrible performances on the whole. I wanted him to succeed as he's the Villa manager, but it's nearly the end of February now and I have seen nothing to suggest he can or will succeed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 22, 2012, 02:46:48 PM
At least we haven't been turned down by Curbishley. Twice.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 22, 2012, 03:13:01 PM
Quote from: damon green on February 22, 2012, 02:46:48 PM
At least we haven't been turned down by Curbishley. Twice.

Maybe Randy just kept it quiet before heading to the very bottom of the barrell.  In any case, if he has so much trouble pronouncing "Burminum" what chance would he have with a mouthful like Wolverhampton?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: john e on February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,
 his teams always played decent passing football, his record with Charlton was very impressive, even WHU fans dont slag him, and say his football was attractive to watch if not terribly successful.

i think it just boils down to the way he comes across being a  bit boring and not very charasmatic,
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TheSandman on February 22, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
Maybe. All I know is that I can't stand the miserable c***. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean I always quite liked AM before he became our manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2012, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: john e on February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,
 his teams always played decent passing football, his record with Charlton was very impressive, even WHU fans dont slag him, and say his football was attractive to watch if not terribly successful.

i think it just boils down to the way he comes across being a  bit boring and not very charasmatic,

The West Ham fans I know definitely don't have too much time for him - about as interesting as watching paint dry is how they often used to describe their performances on his watch.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 22, 2012, 05:40:27 PM
Alan Curbishley is a ****** and shall remain one until he learns how to say Birmingham correctly.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 22, 2012, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 22, 2012, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: john e on February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,
 his teams always played decent passing football, his record with Charlton was very impressive, even WHU fans dont slag him, and say his football was attractive to watch if not terribly successful.

i think it just boils down to the way he comes across being a  bit boring and not very charasmatic,

The West Ham fans I know definitely don't have too much time for him - about as interesting as watching paint dry is how they often used to describe their performances on his watch.

Good job we have McLeish then who brings us eye candy football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 22, 2012, 07:23:02 PM
At the end of the day, it's not going to work out because there's no unity amongst the fans and you need fans singing from the same hymm sheet. The majority of supporters were behind the appointments of DOL and MON because of their decent track record, although Houillers appointment was one of surprise but mainly a case of 'well let's see how he does'. This time it's different.

You have a section of fans who just won't accept McLeish no matter what and there's nothing you can do about people like that. There's another section of fans who were not happy with his appointment but were prepared to see how things went and are now having their doubts (i'm in that section). Then you have fans who think he should be given time to bring his own players in.

Throw in the badly attended protests and the badly designed websites and all in all it's not a healthy situation, (well ok it's a bit of a mess to be truthful) and it's one i can't see improving. He'll go, but it's just a case of when. Let's hope the fans are united on the next choice, it's what we need right now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 22, 2012, 07:32:02 PM
Man City seemed to be the tipping point. Unfortunately for McL it's going to be nigh on impossible to win hearts and minds now. He will effectively become a lame duck manager... unable to win over fans... unable to attract decent players. Randy really needs to employ a proper football man into the post of Chief Executive at VP, not just to source a new manager, but to take charge of all aspects of football at VP and turn us around. Until this happens, I fear the worst. Whatever happens, Faulkner is way out of his depths and has to go with McL.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: KevinGage on February 22, 2012, 08:56:06 PM
Disagree Jimmy.

Win the next two on the bounce and there will be enough fans willing to give him until the end of the season, fickle sugarbags that we are.

But he's created a rod for his own back. By effectively throwing matches against sides above us in the league, he doesn't have much room for error against those sides below us. And there are less and less of them as the season has progressed. 

In Big Ecks world if a side is above you and has spent x amount-they have a different agenda,  so defeat is okay.  Fine (well not fine, not fine at all).    Just make sure you get maximum points against any side below us then.  Normally I'd say football isn't that cut and dried, of course.  But he can't have it both ways.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 22, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Citeh definately was the Tipping point and he has only himself to blame for that, until then i think the majority were still prepared to give him a chance.
I cant see any way that he can turn it around because he has proved what a lot of people thought but hoped was not true, ie that he is a very negative bloke with little idea of tactics. His "The Game plan was excellent" did it for me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 22, 2012, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: john e on February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,

He used to play for Blues.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on February 22, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: DB on February 19, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance?

Because if McLeish was sacked we'd have to appoint our 4th manager in 4 seasons. History tells you that managerial turnover on that scale does not equate to success on the field.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 22, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: DB on February 19, 2012, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on February 19, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
No. McLeish deserves a summer transfer window where he gets financial backing from the Board to bring in his own players, particularly in defence. I believe he will get that support this close season. He can only then be rightfully judged.

Why take the chance?

Because if McLeish was sacked we'd have to appoint our 4th manager in 4 seasons. History tells you that managerial turnover on that scale does not equate to success on the field.

In fairness, though, of those four, one flounced out because the chairman looked at him funny or something, one was invalided out with a heart condition, and it is only this one that deserves the bullet.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 10:39:06 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on February 22, 2012, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: john e on February 22, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,

He used to play for Blues.

For me it is his total inablility to correctly pronounce the name of this city, despite spending a chunk of his playing career in it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 22, 2012, 10:43:57 PM
He played for us as well I seem to remember, without a great deal of talent or commitment I further recall.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on February 22, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
I remember when Curbs was one of the front runners in the next Villa manager betting and I suggested he was a decent candidate - it was like I had suggested Harold Shipman should be put in charge of a care home. There must be more to it than he played for the shit?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 22, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
Shipman is not a realistic candidate, to my mind.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
He's alright, he's just one of those names who gets mentioned every time there's a not-top-level job on the go in the PL.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 23, 2012, 12:05:23 AM
Mr Birminum is just dull, I have allways thought that the top managers are either bright, cunning or charesmatic. Some have a combination of all 3 charecteristics. It all comes down to leadership. I saw an interview with Keith Curle the new Notts County Manager, cant string a sentance together, he will fail.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: curiousorange on February 23, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
I think Curbishley is just one of those cliched English managers who has one set of tactics for every occasion, gets just enough points against the also-rans to offset the occasional drubbing by the big sides, isn't arsed about silverware so much as 'safety' and can't attract glamour signings so plunders dull Scandinavian teams for average utility players. He's basically Dame Alan Average.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: ktvillan on February 23, 2012, 08:36:36 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 22, 2012, 08:56:06 PM
In Big Ecks world if a side is above you and has spent x amount-they have a different agenda,  so defeat is okay.  Fine (well not fine, not fine at all).    Just make sure you get maximum points against any side below us then.  Normally I'd say football isn't that cut and dried, of course.  But he can't have it both ways.


This is the nub of the problem with AM for me.  He said similar about us, that we had a different agenda,  when we drubbed Blues 5-1.  I remember thinking at the time that, whilst quite flattering to Villa (and Randy obviously fell for it)  it was a very flawed and defeatist attitude that would have pissed me off mightily had I been unfortunate enough to be a Blues fan.  It was up there with DOL's "we can't compete with the likes of..." bollocks, for which he was rightly vilified.  The performances against City/United/Spurs were David taking one look at Goliath, bending over and saying "make it quick big boy and use plenty of lube, there's a good chap".  What would Clough have achieved with Derby and Forest if he'd taken alook at the relative budgets of the bigger clubs and thought like that? Or GT at Watford?  Nothing, that's what.  And that's exactly what AM will achieve while he persists with that mentality.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Concrete John on February 23, 2012, 10:00:58 AM
Curbs looked a great emerging manager and Charlton, but once he left hasn't been able to repeat that success, which says to me that was his managerial peak.   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 23, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Not easy to have got a relativley small club like Charlton to consistently be in the middle of the Premier League. Those Cahrlton fans should have been careful what they wished for....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Damo70 on February 23, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
Curbishley did a fantastic job at Charlton but will always be up against it from day one if he gets a job at a bigger club because of his lack of personality. I would have though quite a few Championship teams would be grateful to have him though.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 23, 2012, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 23, 2012, 12:15:26 AM
I think Curbishley is just one of those cliched English managers who has one set of tactics for every occasion, gets just enough points against the also-rans to offset the occasional drubbing by the big sides, isn't arsed about silverware so much as 'safety' and can't attract glamour signings so plunders dull Scandinavian teams for average utility players. He's basically Dame Alan Average.

Yeah, has he ever mentioned a ginger twin?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 23, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
Is the Wolves job becoming as toxic as the Villa job was last summer? The more the media announce names in the frame the more affronted the candidates become. The more they approach who then turn them down, the more those who are subsequently approached are offended that they were second third or even fourth choice. Walter Smith has now turned them down for this reason. It's an interesting situation, as you'd think with all the unemployed managers out there they'd be knocking the doors down.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 23, 2012, 11:15:07 PM
I don't see how the Villa job was anywhere near toxic.

Sure, the manager has to work on a wage bill (not a tight one considering Given came in earning 50k wages for 5 years) and the budget wasn't that much of a problem after spending 17 million of it (how much has Pardew spent again?)

Now throw in the fact that Wolves have an inferior squad, are in the bottom 3, no money to spend and only a third left through the season. No where near as toxic as the Villa job. They tried Martinez and then paid comepnsation to bring a manager who brought out down the shit just last month (from June).

In other words, there's no comparison. The Villa board just did a really shitty job that summer and should be banned from making future decisions.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: damon loves JT on February 23, 2012, 11:18:04 PM
I'm confused. Are you saying the Villa job is toxic or not?

I think you get so excited at the chance of knocking the club that you just lose the thread.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 23, 2012, 11:18:11 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 23, 2012, 11:15:07 PM

The Villa board just did a really shitty job that summer and should be banned from making future decisions.
Who do you recommend bans them?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 23, 2012, 11:19:41 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 23, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
Is the Wolves job becoming as toxic as the Villa job was last summer? The more the media announce names in the frame the more affronted the candidates become. The more they approach who then turn them down, the more those who are subsequently approached are offended that they were second third or even fourth choice. Walter Smith has now turned them down for this reason. It's an interesting situation, as you'd think with all the unemployed managers out there they'd be knocking the doors down.

If our job was toxic last year it was almost certainly because of the spending limits placed on the incoming manager.

I suspect Wolves are telling applicants the same thing. Mind you, this "job till the end of the season" stuff probably doesn't help.

Getting knocked back by Curbishley, though, is worse than getting knocked back by Martinez.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 23, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
I don't see how having 17 million to spend is limited. Do you think McLeish should have had all the Downing/Young money plus more? I don't think we would be much better off. The man is a complete muppet at wasting money. Young for fucking Hutton is terrible trading. He spent an extra 2 million to bring in his deadwood buddy who's a downgrade. And he also spent over half of the summer budget on N'Zogbia who he has had fights with (his own bloody player) and now chooses Heskey over him, despite Heskey being played out of position. And he's bloody awful at his best position. There's also Given who I admit is a good player, but he was brought in at 50k wages. Not ideal for a club who's suppose to reduce the wage bill.

How much has Pardew spent? His lost major core players in the Newcastle squad since he's arrival, but he has managed to improve the team on a shoestring budget. They're not challenging for Europa spots, but CL spots! I want a manager like that who can bring in quality players who are very cheap (or free) and on low wages because I know times are tough at this club atm, but it's still possible for us to improve, especially when we have a group of promising kids. Why give money to McLeish? He'll just burn it. The players he'll bring in will guarantee relegation for us. Remember, he spent a fair bit at SHA (higher than the likes of Wigan, Wolves etc) and brought them down. That was his team and they played one of the worst football in existence with very little goals and points.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 23, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 23, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
I don't see how having 17 million to spend is limited. Do you think McLeish should have had all the Downing/Young money plus more? I don't think we would be much better off.

It doesn't matter how McLeish spent the money if you're looking at who we approached before he was appointed, though.

I can't see how anyone can not notice that the main thing we've had to do this season is reduce our wage bill. Have you not noticed that?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 23, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
Didn't he take Small Heath down twice? I'm sure I read it somewhere Compass. Surprised you didn't mention it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
I'm not sure why Citeh was the tipping point for people. Bottom line is they're miles better than us. and should we be doing better than where we are? I think it comes down to whether you think we underperformed last season - I didn't think we did, and 9th was where we were, but then all i heard from the Houllier out mob was "this team finished 6th last season" when in reality we'd lost our star name in Milner and others got past it.. If you think we did finish about where we should of last season, then losing Young and Downing would certainly knock you down a few places.

The bottom line is the team is poor apart from Bent, Gabby and Given - the better players were sold and we kept the junk mainly - its a lower premiership team and IMO poorer than the one MON inherited. I can't say i'm happy with some of the performances or the transfers buys, but bring in a new guy and he's got the same problem -  a surplus of shite players that he can't replace because he's got no money and they're all on massive wages. In those circumstances we're gonna struggle to attract anyone much better even if we give AM the boot - no-one decent's gonna want a job that entails keeping a motley collection of deadwood and youth players in the premiership with a championship budget unless you're completely desperate to leave your current job or just desperate for a job. Which is probably why AM is here now
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 23, 2012, 11:49:32 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
I'm not sure why Citeh was the tipping point for people. Bottom line is they're miles better than us. and should we be doing better than where we are?

Man City wasn't about the result - that was hardly a surprise - it was about the total lack of ambition. It also didn't stand in isolation. Man United, Spurs, Liverpool were all as bad.

I can stand losing. It happens. I can't stand being so desperately unambitious, though.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:58:06 PM
I doubt he would have got any credit if we had attacked Citeh and took a hammering paulie. This place would have been full of posts calling him tactically niave instead of unadventurous. He's on a loser whatever he does now. It was alwyas going to be a car crash appointment from the start but the next guy is unlikely to have a better record or style of football because good ones won't come under Lerner's conditions
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2012, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:58:06 PM
I doubt he would have got any credit if we had attacked Citeh and took a hammering paulie. This place would have been full of posts calling him tactically niave instead of unadventurous. He's on a loser whatever he does now. It was alwyas going to be a car crash appointment from the start but the next guy is unlikely to have a better record or style of football because good ones won't come under Lerner's conditions

When we played them at their place we tried to have a go and lost. Most of the post match thread apart from the usuals knew we had tried (more then Houlier against them) and conceded that they were just the better team.

In fact most of the time, the only times McCleish gets slagged in the post match thread is for playing defensively or playing Heskey in midfield. When we have tried to attack and take the fight to the opposition in matches, we normally dropped points because of individual defensive errors and he wasn't (always) being slagged off then.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 24, 2012, 12:39:13 AM
Citeh was in October though and before this home run - he was given a bit more (if limited) slack back then. It was also away even though citeh are just as likely to stuff us at home. thing is, looking at the bottom of the league we're not any worse off really in relation to the amount of points seperating us now than 4 months go, but people's perceptions have changed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
It's not just the City games though, like Paulie mentioned, Man Utd and Liverpool at home were very defensive displays and if you even go back to the games like Swansea away when we did'nt even start attacking until the likes of Ireland and Bannan came on. I think Heskey was in midfield that day as well.

Arsenal at home on the other hand was much more like it, we lost but you left the ground feeling good about what you'd just watched and it gave us all a lot of optimisim. We've only won 2 games since then though.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 24, 2012, 08:48:27 AM
and they were against teams we should have beat as well, i'm really hoping we go for it tomorrow
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 24, 2012, 08:50:18 AM
We need maximum points from the next 3 games in my opinion
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Merv on February 24, 2012, 09:43:10 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
I'm not sure why Citeh was the tipping point for people.

Not exactly the tipping point for me, more that it was further confirmation of my view of McLeish: that, tactically and technically, he just does not have the ability. He doesn't understand the game. I knew it before he arrived, I know it now. Which I why I don't subscribe to the view that he needs to be judged on a full season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 24, 2012, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Merv on February 24, 2012, 09:43:10 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:46:16 PM
I'm not sure why Citeh was the tipping point for people.

Not exactly the tipping point for me, more that it was further confirmation of my view of McLeish: that, tactically and technically, he just does not have the ability. He doesn't understand the game. I knew it before he arrived, I know it now. Which I why I don't subscribe to the view that he needs to be judged on a full season.


mebbe. I'm just getting a huge feeling of deja vu from this time last year when everyone wanted GH out because there was someone better available. and there wasn't. well not with what Lerner offered the candidates.

anyway, with the games coming up with the teams below us it may all be over for him. Certainly he needs to win a home game soon as the majority of people don't go away and they want to occasionally see us win for the cost of the ticket. He may get a stay of execution if he does that, otherwise......pfffftttttt.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 24, 2012, 10:29:45 AM
Quote from: Somniloquism on February 24, 2012, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 23, 2012, 11:58:06 PM
I doubt he would have got any credit if we had attacked Citeh and took a hammering paulie. This place would have been full of posts calling him tactically niave instead of unadventurous. He's on a loser whatever he does now. It was alwyas going to be a car crash appointment from the start but the next guy is unlikely to have a better record or style of football because good ones won't come under Lerner's conditions

When we played them at their place we tried to have a go and lost. Most of the post match thread apart from the usuals knew we had tried (more then Houlier against them) and conceded that they were just the better team.

In fact most of the time, the only times McCleish gets slagged in the post match thread is for playing defensively or playing Heskey in midfield. When we have tried to attack and take the fight to the opposition in matches, we normally dropped points because of individual defensive errors and he wasn't (always) being slagged off then.


spot on.   None of us would have been suprised getting beat by Shi££y , they have the quality with the dollars spent . So why not have a go , try and attack and play some football . 3-0 or 4-0 defeat would not have bothered me , the 1-0 defeat , play for a 0-0 bothered me more.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 24, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
Arsenal at home on the other hand was much more like it, we lost but you left the ground feeling good about what you'd just watched and it gave us all a lot of optimisim. We've only won 2 games since then though.

The most frustrating thing by far is that, just when he starts to suggest he can change, he falls back on the predictable, zero-ambition nonsense.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Merv on February 24, 2012, 10:36:46 AM
Not everyone wanted GH out, but I get your point. Thing is, there are hundreds of Academy and youth coaches out there who would never have made some the decisions AM has made in certain games. You can't just bulk out a midfield to keep the opposition out. But anyway, we've been here before, I don't want to keep going over old ground.

He'll be okay over the next four games because we've shown this season we can beat the worst teams in the league. I think we'll win two of the four - Wigan and Bolton at home.

It's the downward cycle I think we're in that concerns me, the overall feeling around the club. I can see a couple of our better players pondering a move away in the summer and I don't think we have the funding, or the right manager, in place to bring in good enough replacements.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 24, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
The problem for McLeish is that he needed to exceed expectations to be accepted.  If we all thought 8-12 was where we were likely to finish then he'd have had to finish 7th or better for the majority to be behind him for next year.  We can all see this isn't going to happen now which means we have a manager that a large portion of fans didn't want (for whatever reason) who is performing on par or worse than expectations.

That isn't a healthy situation to be in and was always going to lead to protests and 'fan groups' demanding his resignation.  These people might not know who they want to replace him but that's fairly irrelevant now.

I think I can count on 1 hand the number of people I've seen posts from/spoken to who genuinely think he's the right person for the job and will take us forward.  My biggest worry is the effect on season ticket sales and morale at the club if he's still here next season, the apathy is becoming all consuming and I really believe that we're going to be a huge risk to go down next year if he's still here, not because of anything more than I just think there will be too big a portion of the fanbase that expect nothing else.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 24, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 24, 2012, 10:36:46 AM
He'll be okay over the next four games because we've shown this season we can beat the worst teams in the league. I think we'll win two of the four - Wigan and Bolton at home

He lost against Bolton at home in the Carling Cup. If I recall correctly it was against their reserves and it took us near the 90th minute to get a shot on target.

Also, the final third of the season in the league is where McLeish collapses. Last season at this stage his team had 30 points and they finished with 39 points. 9 points in 13 games. If we don't defeat Wigan tommorow don't discount the possibility.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2012, 03:38:49 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2012, 12:25:51 PM
I think I can count on 1 hand the number of people I've seen posts from/spoken to who genuinely think he's the right person for the job and will take us forward.

I was wondering the other day, those who think it was a good appointment - not that he's doing a good job now, but when was appointed, thought "what a good appointment", what reasons do they have for thinking so?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 24, 2012, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 24, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 24, 2012, 10:36:46 AM
He'll be okay over the next four games because we've shown this season we can beat the worst teams in the league. I think we'll win two of the four - Wigan and Bolton at home

He lost against Bolton at home in the Carling Cup. If I recall correctly it was against their reserves and it took us near the 90th minute to get a shot on target.

Also, the final third of the season in the league is where McLeish collapses. Last season at this stage his team had 30 points and they finished with 39 points. 9 points in 13 games. If we don't defeat Wigan tommorow don't discount the possibility.

And when we do win, you won't be seen on here until we lose again. You're starting to sound like a Roman Sooth Sayer now Compass, I really think you've lost your direction in life.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 24, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
We will win tomorrow. I have a feeling in my water. I also read the heart of a sacrificed dove earlier and that said the same.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: john e on February 24, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 24, 2012, 06:38:33 PM
We will win tomorrow. I have a feeling in my water. I also read the heart of a sacrificed dove earlier and that said the same.


i was feeling a bit worried about tomorow, but that Dove thing you did has proper convinced me now,
110% as the great man would say
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 24, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
Who out of all of us thought he was a good appointment? I for one was prepared to support him because he was the Villa manager, and I felt in that respect he deserved a chance even though when i heard he'd resigned from Small Heath my heart sank. Since Citeh though I just want him gone. I've supported the duds in the  past... Venglos, who I still think should have been given longer.. GT for obvious reasons... DOL simply because he was the only option at the time. McLeish in my opinion is a terrible manager. It's his obstinacy I find most frustrating. It's fine being a defensive manager. George Graham did it for years. The trick is however to not let a goal in and score more than the opposition (i.e one).unfortunately McL can't manage this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Villanation on February 24, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 24, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
Who out of all of us thought he was a good appointment? I for one was prepared to support him because he was the Villa manager, and I felt in that respect he deserved a chance even though when i hear he'd resigned from Small Heath my heart sank. Since Citeh though I just want him gone. I've supported the duds in the  past... Venglos, who I still think should have been given longer.. GT for obvious reasons... DOL simply because he was the only option at the time. McLeish in my opinion is, a terrible manager. It's his obstinacy I find most frustrating. It's fine being a defensive manager. George Graham did it for years. The trick is however to not let a goal in and score more than the opposition (i.e one).unfortunately McL can't manage this.

This what sprang to mind when the rumor started he was coming.

McLiesh,.......................Regardless of what he did in Scotland, failed twice in the English leagues, the Premiership, probably the hardest and most demanding league in the Football world and he has engineered 2 relegation's and was unable to survive tactically in a very short period of time.

McLiesh...........Every time I looked at the blouses either playing us or anybody else, looked friggin awful, stale mundane and negative football, with a mentality that providing you didn't concede any goals everything else was surplus to requirement, I thought City where a joke football side for the Premiership, on top of this they now look a completely regenerated side under Chris Houghton and when they get promoted at the end of of this season, assuming we are still in the Premiership, will certainly give Villa a tough time.

McLiesh.......Finally, who other than an idiot would not only pay for the privilege of, but poach a manager form your rival club that is far worse than the bloke that's just quit and was never going to sit right with the fans, and so its proved to be.

 

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 24, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
29 goals in 25 games.  Thats how he manages a team. Low scoring shit football is a recipe for disaster, scoring just over a goal a game is relegation fodder.
Has he ever managed a team that has scored much more than a goal a game?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 24, 2012, 09:34:10 PM
I was chatting to my mate today about Mick McCarthy and I attempted a snide dig with, 'Nice bloke but you cant lose 5.1 to your local rivals and expect to keep your job' he replied 'Yeah, unless you are Alex McLeish' 

Bastard
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: hawkeye on February 24, 2012, 10:54:58 PM
I havent met any one who thinks it was a good appointment, I think the only person that did was Mr Lerner Sir.
I do think that the majority were prepared to give him a chance, he has blown that chance, he has turned out to be the manager that we all feared.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2012, 11:00:14 PM
The thing I was most concerned about was that he'd resort to the same defensive, mind numbing dross he played in making Blues the most boring side in the league.

That is exactly what he has done, and I don't really like it much.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
I'm still coming to terms with the original look of horror on my own face (I know this the wife told me) when I saw the front of the Mercury that day in June (was it June) bellowing the headline VILLA WANT MCLEISH.  Now as far as I know Villa were not in the same farcical position as Wolves are now.  And whilst it was reported that Martinez had turned us down (reality he never spoke to us), Rafa and Ancellotti were not impressed with the transfer budgets, McLaren had his interview cancelled, there were still plenty of candidates out there eminently more capable of doing the job than Alex McLeish - one of them had left his club days earlier.

Under these circumstances it still absolutely beggars belief that not only did Alex McLeish get appointed, he was actually headhunted by the owner via a private jet to his holiday destination, was followed by false wailing and gnashing of teeth by the owners at the Chinese Laundry, and ended up with £3m being handed to them which ironically has perhaps just helped the fuckers stay afloat in the bargain.  If you were going out of your way to piss your customer off, a more perfect storm you would find hard to imagine.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 25, 2012, 12:01:26 AM
I hear you brother
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 12:01:42 AM
This is what I mean, nearly everyone had pretty poor expectations of what we were getting and the only way he could've dispelled those was to massively overachieve, this was always going to be the requirement and never likely to be the reality, so it felt from the start like an appointment that was doomed to fail.  I don't think anyone wanted that to happen but it was hard to see a scenario where it didn't, and nothing in the last 25 games has made any difference to that.

I think the slightly improved performances from arsenal until recently were him attempting to respond to this but the problem he's had is that he doesn't really know how to play a system that is more reliant on attacking so we were trying to do it without really having the foundation to work from.

Even during those games everything seemed disjointed because his approach to playing attacking football has felt like he's just slid the markers on the board 10yards further forward but done nothing to change the training or approach so yes, we had more people forward and were creating chances but we were leaving gaps at the back and letting off form defenders be singled out and pressured into making mistakes.

The lack of improved results means he can now convince himself that he's tried being attacking and it wasn't successful so he can go back to his more familiar defensive style.  The 'excellent game plan' and unlucky comments make me think more and more that he's convinced himself that he will get success playing that way against the big sides.

**Edited the first line for clarity**
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: atomicjam on February 25, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
I'm still coming to terms with the original look of horror on my own face (I know this the wife told me) when I saw the front of the Mercury that day in June (was it June) bellowing the headline VILLA WANT MCLEISH.  Now as far as I know Villa were not in the same farcical position as Wolves are now.  And whilst it was reported that Martinez had turned us down (reality he never spoke to us), Rafa and Ancellotti were not impressed with the transfer budgets, McLaren had his interview cancelled, there were still plenty of candidates out there eminently more capable of doing the job than Alex McLeish - one of them had left his club days earlier.

Under these circumstances it still absolutely beggars belief that not only did Alex McLeish get appointed, he was actually headhunted by the owner via a private jet to his holiday destination, was followed by false wailing and gnashing of teeth by the owners at the Chinese Laundry, and ended up with £3m being handed to them which ironically has perhaps just helped the fuckers stay afloat in the bargain.  If you were going out of your way to piss your customer off, a more perfect storm you would find hard to imagine.

Totally agree. I still do not understand what Randy saw in him, why he paid money for him, how he could believe that he would suddenly become a good Manager and win games and with that everyone over. AM is just not a very good Manager at Premier League level, the stats are there to show this and AM is adding to those stats this season with the best players he has ever worked with. I think we will survive this season. I am not so confident about him keeping us up two seasons running.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: itbrvilla on February 25, 2012, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 24, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
29 goals in 25 games.  Thats how he manages a team. Low scoring shit football is a recipe for disaster, scoring just over a goal a game is relegation fodder.
Has he ever managed a team that has scored much more than a goal a game?
think someone posted some great stats on here showing Rangers league goals before he arrived and his time there. They showed a rather rapid and large decrease in the number of goals scored. Think it was ~ 85 season before to ~ 50 something 2 years later.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 25, 2012, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 24, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
29 goals in 25 games.  Thats how he manages a team. Low scoring shit football is a recipe for disaster, scoring just over a goal a game is relegation fodder.
Has he ever managed a team that has scored much more than a goal a game?
think someone posted some great stats on here showing Rangers league goals before he arrived and his time there. They showed a rather rapid and large decrease in the number of goals scored. Think it was ~ 85 season before to ~ 50 something 2 years later.

That was me, on the 'mcleish could be the man to take the club forward' thread, I kept hold of them because they do show that the only time he's averaged a decent number of goals (in a league worth caring about) per games has been using van gaal's team at rangers.

94-95 - Motherwell - 50 in 36
95-96 - Motherwell - 28 in 36
96-97 - Motherwell - 44 in 36
98-99 - Hibs(scot 1st div) - 84 in 36
99-00 - Hibs - 49 in 36
00-01 - Hibs - 57 in 36
02-03 - Rangers - 101 in 36
03-04 - Rangers - 76 in 36
04-05 - Rangers - 78 in 36
05-06 - Rangers - 67 in 36
08-09 - Blues - 54 in 46
09-10 - Blues - 38 in 38
10-11 - Blues - 37 in 38
11-12 - Villa - 29 in 25

Repeated with this seasons figures updated.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LamBeast on February 25, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
Garbage.His visit from Small Heath will never be accepted.

I feel sure there are better managers on here,championship at best.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 25, 2012, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 24, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
29 goals in 25 games.  Thats how he manages a team. Low scoring shit football is a recipe for disaster, scoring just over a goal a game is relegation fodder.
Has he ever managed a team that has scored much more than a goal a game?
think someone posted some great stats on here showing Rangers league goals before he arrived and his time there. They showed a rather rapid and large decrease in the number of goals scored. Think it was ~ 85 season before to ~ 50 something 2 years later.

That was me, on the 'mcleish could be the man to take the club forward' thread, I kept hold of them because they do show that the only time he's averaged a decent number of goals (in a league worth caring about) per games has been using van gaal's team at rangers.

94-95 - Motherwell - 50 in 36
95-96 - Motherwell - 28 in 36
96-97 - Motherwell - 44 in 36
98-99 - Hibs(scot 1st div) - 84 in 36
99-00 - Hibs - 49 in 36
00-01 - Hibs - 57 in 36
02-03 - Rangers - 101 in 36
03-04 - Rangers - 76 in 36
04-05 - Rangers - 78 in 36
05-06 - Rangers - 67 in 36
08-09 - Blues - 54 in 46
09-10 - Blues - 38 in 38
10-11 - Blues - 37 in 38
11-12 - Villa - 29 in 25

Repeated with this seasons figures updated.
This is very intersting Paul and good information.
It really does show how moulds a team to fit his 'style' over time.
I think it proves that a leopard cannot change its spots, and that we can look forward to continued, dour, uninspiring football until he is gone.

I wonder if Randy and Faulkner considered his history when performing their due dilligence over whether he was the right man for the job................obviously not !!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 25, 2012, 09:37:11 AM
I don't know how true the takeover rumours are but I can't see a multi-billionaire owner wanting him in charge.

Until that happens, indeed if it does, we are 'lumbered' with AMc and that's that - as long as he keeps us in the Prem.

He'll never win the fans over under a Randy budget, and in some ways, you have to feel a bit sorry for him.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
And whilst it was reported that Martinez had turned us down (reality he never spoke to us)

But, he did turn us down.

"Dave Whelan, Paul Faulkner here, can we talk to Roberto Martinez? "
"Yes, you can"

"Hi Roberto, Paul Faulkner here, we'd like to interview you for our position of manager"
"Sorry, Paul, I do not want to be considered"

Didn't want to interview for the job = turned down the chance to be considered for the job

Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2012, 11:55:38 PM
Under these circumstances it still absolutely beggars belief that not only did Alex McLeish get appointed, he was actually headhunted by the owner via a private jet to his holiday destination, was followed by false wailing and gnashing of teeth by the owners at the Chinese Laundry, and ended up with £3m being handed to them which ironically has perhaps just helped the fuckers stay afloat in the bargain.  If you were going out of your way to piss your customer off, a more perfect storm you would find hard to imagine.

Yep

I have said this before, but if you were an evil force who had inhabited Randy's mind, and decided to do the most damage to the club in a short period of time, it is hard to see how you could have done a "better" job of it than Randy did.

It just beggars belief on all sorts of levels.

The worry I have is that, even if he gave AM the bullet (which he won't, anyway), they'd approach the manager search with "PL experience" at the top of the list again, which is totally stupid.

It's extra stupid if that "PL experience" is all that matters even when said manager's experience includes two relegations in four years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 25, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
McLeish will be gone in the Summer and I have a good idea who will replace him.

Now pause the thread because what i'm about to say to you all is so damn twisted,
Not only have we got a new manager lined up, but the man... is a MIDGET!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: brian green on February 25, 2012, 10:56:01 AM
Please don't tell me the Krankies are splitting up.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on February 25, 2012, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 25, 2012, 10:44:11 AM
McLeish will be gone in the Summer and I have a good idea who will replace him.

Now pause the thread because what i'm about to say to you all is so damn twisted,
Not only have we got a new manager lined up, but the man... is a MIDGET!
Gian Franco Zola?   He's only 5' 5".
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LamBeast on February 25, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
More Ronnie Corbett! ;D
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 25, 2012, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 24, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
29 goals in 25 games.  Thats how he manages a team. Low scoring shit football is a recipe for disaster, scoring just over a goal a game is relegation fodder.
Has he ever managed a team that has scored much more than a goal a game?
think someone posted some great stats on here showing Rangers league goals before he arrived and his time there. They showed a rather rapid and large decrease in the number of goals scored. Think it was ~ 85 season before to ~ 50 something 2 years later.

That was me, on the 'mcleish could be the man to take the club forward' thread, I kept hold of them because they do show that the only time he's averaged a decent number of goals (in a league worth caring about) per games has been using van gaal's team at rangers.

94-95 - Motherwell - 50 in 36
95-96 - Motherwell - 28 in 36
96-97 - Motherwell - 44 in 36
98-99 - Hibs(scot 1st div) - 84 in 36
99-00 - Hibs - 49 in 36
00-01 - Hibs - 57 in 36
02-03 - Rangers - 101 in 36
03-04 - Rangers - 76 in 36
04-05 - Rangers - 78 in 36
05-06 - Rangers - 67 in 36
08-09 - Blues - 54 in 46
09-10 - Blues - 38 in 38
10-11 - Blues - 37 in 38
11-12 - Villa - 29 in 25

Repeated with this seasons figures updated.
If you take out the Rangers stats it looks even worse, mind you he did manage to score 34 goals less in his last season than his first.
Also lets face it Rangers play in a league where they can get docked 10 points and still be comfortably in second place so it might be fair to say that even an incompetent manager could manage that team.
We really need this Manager out of our club before he turns us into an outfit like the shit down the road.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: LamBeast on February 25, 2012, 11:27:49 AM
How the fcuck we beat Chelsea i will never know.Too higher line against a 'counter attacking' team maybe?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 25, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 25, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
Also lets face it Rangers play in a league where they can get docked 10 points and still be comfortably in second place so it might be fair to say that even an incompetent manager could manage that team.

And yet he still managed to finish third one year. Jonathan Wilson said on the Guardian pod - in thinly veiled reference to Steve Bruce - that lots of people don't realise that truly incompetant, undeserving people are managing top flight teams, and managing them without a plan, without nous, without any real thought going into it, just plodding along, getting jobs on the basis of an old-boys' network. I wouldn't be surprised if McLeish fell into this category.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Jimbo on February 25, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 25, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 25, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
Also lets face it Rangers play in a league where they can get docked 10 points and still be comfortably in second place so it might be fair to say that even an incompetent manager could manage that team.

And yet he still managed to finish third one year. Jonathan Wilson said on the Guardian pod - in thinly veiled reference to Steve Bruce - that lots of people don't realise that truly incompetant, undeserving people are managing top flight teams, and managing them without a plan, without nous, without any real thought going into it, just plodding along, getting jobs on the basis of an old-boys' network. I wouldn't be surprised if McLeish fell into this category.

Indeed, a recommendation from Taggart, in our case.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Monty on February 25, 2012, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 25, 2012, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 25, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 25, 2012, 11:22:22 AM
Also lets face it Rangers play in a league where they can get docked 10 points and still be comfortably in second place so it might be fair to say that even an incompetent manager could manage that team.

And yet he still managed to finish third one year. Jonathan Wilson said on the Guardian pod - in thinly veiled reference to Steve Bruce - that lots of people don't realise that truly incompetant, undeserving people are managing top flight teams, and managing them without a plan, without nous, without any real thought going into it, just plodding along, getting jobs on the basis of an old-boys' network. I wouldn't be surprised if McLeish fell into this category.

Indeed, a recommendation from Taggart, in our case.

And, you'd presume, in Bruce's case as well. There's a pattern developing here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Compass on February 25, 2012, 01:40:44 PM
So even at the Championship his team only scored 54 out of 46 games.  :-\

But don't worry, Alex did say it's a myth that he is a negative manager.

http://tinyurl.com/7eqwdzk
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on February 25, 2012, 01:53:03 PM
In answer to the original question, if he picks Ivanhoe today and we lose, then yes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 25, 2012, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on February 25, 2012, 01:53:03 PM
In answer to the original question, if he picks Ivanhoe today and we lose, then yes.

That's about right because it will cover off two things, firstly that he can clearly not learn from his mistakes and secondly we continue to get shocking results.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: villajk on February 25, 2012, 04:45:51 PM
Had to leave the game early due to commitments.

Yes, he has to go after that debacle.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 25, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
Has to go enough is enough, we will go down.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PhilGibson on February 25, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Bonus is we are one point further away from the relegation places. Every cloud and all that! What a load of rubbish though, he has got to go!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: CJ on February 25, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
As someone suggested on the match thread - maybe the poll should be reset. I for one have changed my opinion.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
now more than ever I want AM out of my club.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Simba on February 25, 2012, 04:58:36 PM
That's it for me. Bed sheets and A4 paper. Get him out of here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
Another vote for resetting the poll.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: MarkM on February 25, 2012, 05:00:04 PM
Time for him to go
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:00:07 PM
Poll reset at 61.7 percent in favour.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 25, 2012, 05:00:34 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PhilGibson on February 25, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
The trouble is Pelty mentioned on the match thread that he should go, but Randy wont do it. Randy has had numerous poor managers with the Cleveland Browns and no matter how bad it gets it takes him a while to pull the trigger, the benefit they have over the pond is they cannot get relegated.

We on the other hand can very easily slip through the trap door.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
Quicker than taking off me shoe...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [new poll p53]
Post by: villadelph on February 25, 2012, 05:01:33 PM
shit.. if you can't beat wigan, who can you beat?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: Simba on February 25, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
Yes, reset the poll. Let the Club see what we think. Fickle is one thing- embarrassed is another.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [new poll p53]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: PhilGibson on February 25, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
The trouble is Pelty mentioned on the match thread that he should go, but Randy wont do it. Randy has had numerous poor managers with the Cleveland Browns and no matter how bad it gets it takes him a while to pull the trigger, the benefit they have over the pond is they cannot get relegated.

We on the other hand can very easily slip through the trap door.

Of course he won't do it - because he doesn't give a shit beyond staying in the division and reducing the wage bill.

Either the bloke is clueless, or he doesn't care very much.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [new poll p53]
Post by: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
Failure to make a substitution until 10 minutes are left that give any indication we are trying to win a game is poor under any circumstances. When it's away to bottom of the table Wigan it's a fucking disgrace.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [Reply#780]
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 25, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus

It'd be nice if they could give us some reasons as to why they believe that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [new poll p53]
Post by: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I'm puzzled. Truly I am. I would like to hear their opinions on why they think he should still stay. We couldn't score with Keane and Bent on the pitch and they're both gone now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [new poll p53]
Post by: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
So do people still think the protesters were wrong.  They got awful uncalled for stick IMO.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
I didn't expect us to do brilliantly this season but i didn't think for one moment it would be as bad as this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Dave on February 25, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
So do people still think the protesters were wrong
It's possible to think both that McLeish isn't the right manager for us and also that the protesters were a bunch of fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
I defended the protestors but didn't join them. If there's another protest I'm there with bells on, I need to vent my fury somehow.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
I would rather have Gary Mac back in charge for the last few games than this inept clueless manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: gervilla on February 25, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
His time is up.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 25, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
It's possible to think both that McLeish isn't the right manager for us and also that the protesters were a bunch of fucking idiots.

Is the correct answer.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?

How would you know if they're not given a chance? It's better than sticking with an anti football idiot who has guaranteed relegations.

Also, I think the best way of protesting is just not to spend any more at this club. This isn't Aston Villa Football Club anymore. It's Randy Lerner Football Club and he doesn't care about the fans. All he cares about is money.

The number 1 priority should be is to hurt Randy's wallet and he may act faster.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villadelph on February 25, 2012, 05:18:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 25, 2012, 05:11:43 PM
It's possible to think both that McLeish isn't the right manager for us and also that the protesters were a bunch of fucking idiots.

Is the correct answer.

I like that also.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? [Reply#780]
Post by: joe_c on February 25, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:05:13 PM
So do people still think the protesters were wrong.  They got awful uncalled for stick IMO.

Not necessarily wrong but they are a shower of dicks and I couldn't possibly bring myself to support a shower of dicks.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:22:04 PM
Here are our remaining fixtures. I can't see where many points are going to come from this.

Blackburn v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Fulham
Arsenal v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Chelsea
Liverpool v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Stoke
Man Utd v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Sunderland
West Brom v Aston Villa   
Aston Villa v Tottenham
Norwich v Aston Villa
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 25, 2012, 05:15:34 PM
I would rather have Gary Mac back in charge for the last few games than this inept clueless manager.

I was thinking that earlier.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?
I think just McLeish going would give the whole place a much needed lift.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: ez on February 25, 2012, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?
I think just McLeish going would give the whole place a much needed lift.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: joe_c on February 25, 2012, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?

I think that's about the size of it. There really isn't any point in removing him at this stage of the season. I genuinely still believe the chances of us going down are negligible and any manager we might bring in now isn't going to have us improve greatly. And who is available anyway? Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce ffs?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
Quote from: joe_c on February 25, 2012, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?

I think that's about the size of it. There really isn't any point in removing him at this stage of the season. I genuinely still believe the chances of us going down are negligible and any manager we might bring in now isn't going to have us improve greatly. And who is available anyway? Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce ffs?

I'd remove him now and put Sid and Kev McDonald in charge. Just steady the ship till the end of the season, and I believe the lift of removing McLeish would be enough to lift us to safety.

We're a fair number of points above the relegation pack, but we currently look entirely incapable of beating anyone, and that frightens me a bit.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I was one of them. Apologies for having an opinion different to yours.

My reasons, which I'm sure will be translated by dazzyg and co as "Ooh you love McLeish"
- I don't think we're going to get anyone in at this stage who will improve matters either in the short-term or the long-term. Who's available - Bruce, Curbishley, McCarthy? The summer might be a different matter. And for those saying we will attract an up-and-coming manager - Lambert, Rodgers... no, we won't. They would be on a hiding to nothing coming in with a couple of months left.
- I think we will get enough points in the next few games that mean we won't be relegated. It might make our eyes bleed to watch, but we're safe in my opinion.
- McLeish I'm sure knows that we need to get rid of a substantial portion of our senior players as did Houllier. It took both of them time to work this out. What I do not want is someone coming in who wipes the slate clean for Collins, Dunne, Warnock et al. I want them to fuck off, preferably now.

In summary, what I want (other than the season to end tomorrow) is to get to the end of the season, take stock, get rid of the over-paid, under-performing wankers who've now stunk the place out under three different managers and then hopefully get a forward-looking manager who can rebuild for the future.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 05:26:10 PM
Added the points I think we will get.

Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:22:04 PM
Here are our remaining fixtures. I can't see where many points are going to come from this.

Blackburn v Aston Villa 3pts
Aston Villa v Fulham 1pt
What happened to the Bolton game? 3pts
Arsenal v Aston Villa 1pt
Aston Villa v Chelsea 1pt
Liverpool v Aston Villa 0pt
Aston Villa v Stoke 1pt
Man Utd v Aston Villa 0pt and thank fuck we can't be given minus points for how much of a surrender this will be.
Aston Villa v Sunderland 1pt
West Brom v Aston Villa 0pt   
Aston Villa v Tottenham 0pt
Norwich v Aston Villa 0pt

End result. We stay up by boring everyone to death. Next season, new manager please.
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Post by: MarkM on February 25, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
If we stay up with him in charge, do we really think next season will be any better?

We are on a downward trajectory and getting worse
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Post by: GarTomas on February 25, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
What's frustrating is last year Houllier and Gary Mac took lots of stick for most of the season but the club ultimately finished 9th (admittedly with a low points total).  This season the league again looks very congested barring top and bottom 4 and a few points here and there soon has you shooting up the table.

But at least last year it was evident from performances towards the end of the season that the coaching staff were impressing onto the players that keeping the ball is the easiest way to play football....This season the approach off smash it clear at the earliest opportunity (I'm looking at you Dunne and Collins) seems to prevail. 

Ironic in hindsight the players that who most fell out with the previous incumbents (and have hardly covered themselves in glory this year) are the same two players.
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Post by: ktvillan on February 25, 2012, 05:31:15 PM
The reversion to negative, dull, dire, defeatist type means he has to go.  He'd begun to win me over and then for some reason he's utterly bottled it.  And if we want him out, perhaps a few more of us should maybe stop mocking the protesters and join them.   I'd be quite happy to go an meet Faulkner and explain to him in great detail what a balls up he and Randy are making of the football side of things.
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Post by: Villan For Life on February 25, 2012, 05:32:20 PM
My worry now is that this time last year the Shite looked safe. After the Carling win they went into freefall and he could do nothing about it. We've been poor all season and he hasn't been able to change it.
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Post by: GarTomas on February 25, 2012, 05:34:37 PM
Hopefully the reverse is true for us this season....
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 05:35:33 PM
He's here to stay unfortunately. RL will want hIm to stay To keep us up. If we stay up it'll be job done. If we go down he's brought Blose up twice so RL will see him as the ideal man to take us back up. Whichever it is... we're stuck with him.
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Post by: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I was one of them. Apologies for having an opinion different to yours.

My reasons, which I'm sure will be translated by dazzyg and co as "Ooh you love McLeish"
- I don't think we're going to get anyone in at this stage who will improve matters either in the short-term or the long-term. Who's available - Bruce, Curbishley, McCarthy? The summer might be a different matter. And for those saying we will attract an up-and-coming manager - Lambert, Rodgers... no, we won't. They would be on a hiding to nothing coming in with a couple of months left.
- I think we will get enough points in the next few games that mean we won't be relegated. It might make our eyes bleed to watch, but we're safe in my opinion.
- McLeish I'm sure knows that we need to get rid of a substantial portion of our senior players as did Houllier. It took both of them time to work this out. What I do not want is someone coming in who wipes the slate clean for Collins, Dunne, Warnock et al. I want them to fuck off, preferably now.

In summary, what I want (other than the season to end tomorrow) is to get to the end of the season, take stock, get rid of the over-paid, under-performing wankers who've now stunk the place out under three different managers and then hopefully get a forward-looking manager who can rebuild for the future.

What makes you think Alex will collect enough points for us to be safe? This is where he collpases. He should have collected all 3 points today against the worst side in the Premier League, yet we were worse than them and couldn't score with Bent and Keane in the team. Now Keane will fly off back to LA and Bent will be out for a while.

Where's the next win gonna come from? The goals? Especially when he's gone full anti football. The majority of teams are alot more clinical than Wigan and I'm sure Blackburn won't struggle to score at least 1 goal against us.

We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.
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Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: TonyD on February 25, 2012, 05:02:20 PM
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I was one of them. Apologies for having an opinion different to yours.

My reasons, which I'm sure will be translated by dazzyg and co as "Ooh you love McLeish"
- I don't think we're going to get anyone in at this stage who will improve matters either in the short-term or the long-term. Who's available - Bruce, Curbishley, McCarthy? The summer might be a different matter. And for those saying we will attract an up-and-coming manager - Lambert, Rodgers... no, we won't. They would be on a hiding to nothing coming in with a couple of months left.
- I think we will get enough points in the next few games that mean we won't be relegated. It might make our eyes bleed to watch, but we're safe in my opinion.
- McLeish I'm sure knows that we need to get rid of a substantial portion of our senior players as did Houllier. It took both of them time to work this out. What I do not want is someone coming in who wipes the slate clean for Collins, Dunne, Warnock et al. I want them to fuck off, preferably now.

In summary, what I want (other than the season to end tomorrow) is to get to the end of the season, take stock, get rid of the over-paid, under-performing wankers who've now stunk the place out under three different managers and then hopefully get a forward-looking manager who can rebuild for the future.
Don't apologise for being wrong :)
Seriously, I can see where you are coming from but I think we are in deep shit.  The lift of a new manager just might be the lift we need to keep us up.
We need a manager who will make good decisions and AM ain't that manager.
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Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
Albrighton on twitter -
Not good enough! Terrible performance! :@ ! Should be winning here!
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Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 05:43:04 PM
Since the last vote, he has done nothin to show that he is learning by his mistakes, and is trying to change things.
It is just the same old fucking tripe, served up at a different venue.

get the fucker out of my club now.
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Post by: CJ on February 25, 2012, 05:44:03 PM
I'll never line up in a protest alongside the likes of DozeyG et al, but I want McCleish out now.

I don't care who he used to manage. When he was appointed I was concerned big-time about his brand of football and his record - finishing third in a two-horse race in Scotland, and a history of relegations with our illustrious neighbours (OK, not all bad). But he was Villa's manager so I was prepared to give him a chance. But now he's had his chance and blown it. Sooner or later he will take us down. We need to bite the bullet and get rid now.

KMac's short spell covering after MON walked was less than successful, but I think he and Sid would get the team behind them, get us playing decent attacking football, and give us an even better chance of staying up. We can then spend more time between now and the summer looking for the right man for the job.

The danger is if we keep McCleish now, and manage to stay up, Lerner will see him as a success and keep him on for another season at least. Then we would definitely be in the shit.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs. If you're going to make criticisms at least make them based on fact.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 25, 2012, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: joe_c on February 25, 2012, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 25, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?


I think that's about the size of it. There really isn't any point in removing him at this stage of the season. I genuinely still believe the chances of us going down are negligible and any manager we might bring in now isn't going to have us improve greatly. And who is available anyway? Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce ffs?

And that's the reason I voted no too. The only reason, mind.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
Dont sack him now but at the end of the season. Even Doug waited till close season or made sure he had the replacement lined up. Its very easy to sack a manager, much more difficult to then find the right replacement. Do we really want to put ourselves in the same situation as Wolves just have on what may be a vital run in ? A knee jerk panic reaction leaving you scratching around to find someone to pick up the pieces ?
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Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Doug knew his way around a managerial appointment.
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Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 05:47:20 PM
For all his post match ramblings about bad luck/injuries, surely he knows he is failing badly. He must know mustn't he?
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:47:51 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on February 25, 2012, 05:38:35 PM
Don't apologise for being wrong :)
Seriously, I can see where you are coming from but I think we are in deep shit.  The lift of a new manager just might be the lift we need to keep us up.
We need a manager who will make good decisions and AM ain't that manager.

And on a long-term basis I agree with you. But I honestly don't think there is any prospect of us going down and I don't see who is going to come in who will give the team any boost whatsoever. Give McDonald the job? Done it, didn't work and pissed him off when he didn't get it full-time.

Just muddle through till the summer and then a mass firing of both playing and management staff. Possibly in public, Alan Sugar style.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 05:48:01 PM
I really don't think he'd sack him even if he got us relegated.

That's the frightening bit.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 05:48:18 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Doug knew his way around a managerial appointment.
He had a lot of practice.
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Post by: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

1. Heskey came on the pitch before Ireland and N'Zogbia. He was McLeish's first sub so he started before them. He also started in the Man City again before Ireland and Zog.

2. Herd.

The players have shown they can keep the ball against teams lately. It's the fact Alex has this terrible mentality of playing deep at the start of the match that we have no shape at bringing the ball forward well enough.

I would sack him now and allow a caretaker to take over to the end of the season. They cannot be any worse than McLeish. He is the cancer of football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

1. Heskey came on the pitch before Ireland and N'Zogbia. He was McLeish's first sub so he started before them. He also started in the Man City again before Ireland and Zog.

2. Herd.

The players have shown they can keep the ball against teams lately. It's the fact Alex has this terrible mentality of playing deep at the start of the match that we have no shape at bringing the ball forward well enough.

I would sack him now and allow a caretaker to take over to the end of the season. They cannot be any worse than McLeish. He is the cancer of football.

1. Heskey didn't start. He came on as sub. Which means he didn't start. Clearer? If you come on during the game, you didn't start. Because the start of the game is at the start.

2. Who has been out injured for two months.

Your last comment by the way is pathetic.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
Never thought I'd look back fondly to the HDE years. At least he didn't run the club like a child would. He always had a plan to at least attempt to move the club forward, even if it didn't always work. He may have ran the club like a corner shop, but at least he didn't give all the money to a megalomaniac who spunked it all and then just close the club down  as RL seems to have done. And... most tellingly... he went and still goes to every game.
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Post by: bilsim on February 25, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
Painful though it is to admit, he's not going anywhere and for that reason, as much as I love Villa, I just don't care anymore.
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Post by: hulkamania on February 25, 2012, 05:59:11 PM
Sacked or Shot. Either or
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Post by: Pete3206 on February 25, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Had enough. I wanted him to succeed, but the job is beyond him.

He's got to go.
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Post by: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
So the only reason to keep him is because there is no-one else available? I seriously doubt anyone could do any worse at this point.

I still think Martin Laursen could do the job. At the very least he would inspire the fans and get Villa Park rocking. Even if results didn't improve I'd be more likely to renew out of loyalty to the club for at least trying to change things. Right now I'm thinking 'if they don't care why should I?'
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Post by: joe_c on February 25, 2012, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

1. Heskey came on the pitch before Ireland and N'Zogbia. He was McLeish's first sub so he started before them. He also started in the Man City again before Ireland and Zog.

2. Herd.

The players have shown they can keep the ball against teams lately. It's the fact Alex has this terrible mentality of playing deep at the start of the match that we have no shape at bringing the ball forward well enough.

I would sack him now and allow a caretaker to take over to the end of the season. They cannot be any worse than McLeish. He is the cancer of football.

Your last comment is disgraceful. Grow up.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:10:05 PM
Compass, that's not the first time you've been warned about going way over the top today.

Final request - calm down a little, please.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!
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Post by: TheTimVilla on February 25, 2012, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
So the only reason to keep him is because there is no-one else available? I seriously doubt anyone could do any worse at this point.
That, and the fact we'd have to pay him off. I still voted yes though.
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Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
Having supported the club through good and bad over 33 years i have to say ive never felt so low as this season - randy must take the vast amount of blame for the situation and although not a great fan if mon i must admit i can see now why he walked- lerner and faulkner are taking this club down and the manager is on a par with billy mcneill if not worse- a very sad state of affairs indeed!
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Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 06:14:11 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

1. Heskey came on the pitch before Ireland and N'Zogbia. He was McLeish's first sub so he started before them. He also started in the Man City again before Ireland and Zog.

2. Herd.

The players have shown they can keep the ball against teams lately. It's the fact Alex has this terrible mentality of playing deep at the start of the match that we have no shape at bringing the ball forward well enough.

I would sack him now and allow a caretaker to take over to the end of the season. They cannot be any worse than McLeish. He is the cancer of football.
That last comment was crap.
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Post by: Fergal on February 25, 2012, 06:15:19 PM
I want him gone now because if we do go down he will be kept in the job because he has a track record of getting the teams he has relegated back up.
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Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs. If you're going to make criticisms at least make them based on fact.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

This is the argument that I'm fed up of hearing now.

Picking lots of attacking players does not make you an attacking manager and does not make good attacking football.  To play the right football to make the most of our attacking talent we need to keep hold of the ball better and we need everyone to be looking to make themselves available for the pass.  The current situation is that the players are static and lots of people are trying to hide, which forces the safety first shit we're getting used to.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!

Whoever did that, according to the history of the wiki page, did so from 69.255.219.24, which belongs to a US ISP in Maryland.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.
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Post by: CJ on February 25, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!

Whoever did that, according to the history of the wiki page, did so from 69.255.219.24, which belongs to a US ISP in Maryland.

The General?!
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Post by: Monty on February 25, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs. If you're going to make criticisms at least make them based on fact.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

This is the argument that I'm fed up of hearing now.

Picking lots of attacking players does not make you an attacking manager and does not make good attacking football.  To play the right football to make the most of our attacking talent we need to keep hold of the ball better and we need everyone to be looking to make themselves available for the pass.  The current situation is that the players are static and lots of people are trying to hide, which forces the safety first shit we're getting used to.

One feeds the other. The mentality and obvious lack of footballing preparation they do lead to a lack of confidence and a tendency to hide on the pitch. Players need training, help, off-field preparation. There is little evidence of this at Villa.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!

Whoever did that, according to the history of the wiki page, did so from 69.255.219.24, which belongs to a US ISP in Maryland.

Nice one pelty!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

This is the argument that I'm fed up of hearing now.

Picking lots of attacking players does not make you an attacking manager and does not make good attacking football.  To play the right football to make the most of our attacking talent we need to keep hold of the ball better and we need everyone to be looking to make themselves available for the pass.  The current situation is that the players are static and lots of people are trying to hide, which forces the safety first shit we're getting used to.

Show me where in my post I said that picking lots of attacking players makes good attacking football? In fact, if you reread it, you'll see that I'm actually saying that our attacking play was crap. It doesn't necessarily follow though that the set-up of the team was defensive.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: CJ on February 25, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!

Whoever did that, according to the history of the wiki page, did so from 69.255.219.24, which belongs to a US ISP in Maryland.

The General?!

Randy even! He's obviously not here watching this shite
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 25, 2012, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: Compass on February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs. If you're going to make criticisms at least make them based on fact.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

This is the argument that I'm fed up of hearing now.

Picking lots of attacking players does not make you an attacking manager and does not make good attacking football.  To play the right football to make the most of our attacking talent we need to keep hold of the ball better and we need everyone to be looking to make themselves available for the pass.  The current situation is that the players are static and lots of people are trying to hide, which forces the safety first shit we're getting used to.

One feeds the other. The mentality and obvious lack of footballing preparation they do lead to a lack of confidence and a tendency to hide on the pitch. Players need training, help, off-field preparation. There is little evidence of this at Villa.

Exactly, It becomes really easy to blame the players (which I think eck is now doing) in this situation and say he's trying to pick the right players, etc but the reality is the base isn't there to allow things to change so we'll never be a good attacking side whilst he's here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 06:24:15 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

What planet are you on?!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

I doubt moyes would see villa as bigger than everton and i cannot see him coming to villa unless guaranteed mega money to spend- no chance of him coming here.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2012, 06:30:24 PM
Most of us thought It was a crap decision by the Board to appoint him and he is absolutley proving us right. I wish that was not the case but....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM
I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.

This is the argument that I'm fed up of hearing now.

Picking lots of attacking players does not make you an attacking manager and does not make good attacking football.  To play the right football to make the most of our attacking talent we need to keep hold of the ball better and we need everyone to be looking to make themselves available for the pass.  The current situation is that the players are static and lots of people are trying to hide, which forces the safety first shit we're getting used to.

Show me where in my post I said that picking lots of attacking players makes good attacking football? In fact, if you reread it, you'll see that I'm actually saying that our attacking play was crap. It doesn't necessarily follow though that the set-up of the team was defensive.

You said you don't think the problem was with being defensive, that's the bit I have issue with.  The problem is that the entire setup of the club is defensive and leads to us being shit in possession, no changes on the pitch are going to have any major effect so we're stuck relying on individual brilliance (like Keane vs Wolves).  This is the underlying issue and it's 100% McLeish's fault, that he drops the player we have who can getting us playing because of his lack of defensive abilities tells you everything about the man.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
I don't understand the calls for Moyes, does anyone on here actually like watching Everton?  If we're going to look at managers that are a little unrealistic there have got to be better options.  If you remove the pathetic 'premier league experience' line you'll find lots of people worth talking to.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:18:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on February 25, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
Compass have you been playing about with Ecks wiki page?

Tell the truth you little rascal!

Whoever did that, according to the history of the wiki page, did so from 69.255.219.24, which belongs to a US ISP in Maryland.

Nice one pelty!

No, but checking for posters using that IP address on here, I can reveal it is one of us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.

Lerner decides if there is money to spend. Everton are bankrupt, and where did he say he wouldn't join villa? If this rotten apple needs to be in charge for a season to reduce the wage bill then so be it. Moyes would jump at the chance to manage our fine club if money was made available.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: dishy on February 25, 2012, 06:37:58 PM
i cant believe 11 people voted No, AM must have his family posting on here!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 06:38:20 PM
A lot of ifs there Paulie.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: The Adventurer on February 25, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Voted Yes! Sadly wanted Big Eck to succeed but it just hasnt worked for him or us!!

As for a replacement? God knows!  :(
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: preston28 on February 25, 2012, 06:44:16 PM
I voted NO. As much as I know AM is not the right man I cannot see the benefits of sacking him now? It would leave the team in more turmoil than it is now and more importanlty who would replace him? Mick Mcarthy, Curbishly, Lee Clark??

We need some stability - sacking him leads to another manager, coaching staff and new ideas  that some of our clueless players have to adapt to.

It is a right mess at the moment and also a catch 22 situation.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.

Lerner decides if there is money to spend. Everton are bankrupt, and where did he say he wouldn't join villa? If this rotten apple needs to be in charge for a season to reduce the wage bill then so be it. Moyes would jump at the chance to manage our fine club if money was made available.

Well, here for one. The bit where he says "I'm not interested anyway."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/21/david-moyes-aston-villa-denial
 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 06:45:48 PM
Why don't our board just go and get somebody decent to manage us whenever the post is vacant? If you need to poach a manager you bloody well poach him. The criteria that they have set down each time there has been a vacancy has landed us with the wrong manager at the wrong time.

Gregory, Little, Atkinson were all poached where has this bollocks about Premier League experience and being out of work come from?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Ian Taylor tweet: 'Afraid the fans have had enough. The most hostile I've heard towards the manager. They spend their cash and entitled to vent frustration.'
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.

Lerner decides if there is money to spend. Everton are bankrupt, and where did he say he wouldn't join villa? If this rotten apple needs to be in charge for a season to reduce the wage bill then so be it. Moyes would jump at the chance to manage our fine club if money was made available.

Well, here for one. The bit where he says "I'm not interested anyway."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/21/david-moyes-aston-villa-denial
 
That was while Gerrard was in charge. Completely different if the post is free with money to spend.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.

Lerner decides if there is money to spend. Everton are bankrupt, and where did he say he wouldn't join villa? If this rotten apple needs to be in charge for a season to reduce the wage bill then so be it. Moyes would jump at the chance to manage our fine club if money was made available.

Well, here for one. The bit where he says "I'm not interested anyway."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/21/david-moyes-aston-villa-denial
 
That was while Gerrard was in charge. Completely different if the post is free with money to spend.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The job will be so much more attractive to him now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: preston28 on February 25, 2012, 06:51:19 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
Ian Taylor tweet: 'Afraid the fans have had enough. The most hostile I've heard towards the manager. They spend their cash and entitled to vent frustration.'

It was hostile. Around me the atmosphere was not nice with the spume being vented toward McLeish - I actually feel sorry for him. He comes across as a nice bloke - totally clueless about managing our team - but nice all the same. It can't be pleasent when it becomes personal from your own fans.  At least next week he and Steve Keene can chat about it after the game!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:17:11 PM
Get fukin rid. Caretaker for rest of season and bring in Moyes with a decent war chest. Football really is simple.

On Football Manager I'm sure it is. In the real world, Moyes gets a choice whether to come or not.
Stay at Everton no money or come to a bigger club with money to spend? Ain't a difficult decision.

1. There isn't money to spend.
2. Everton are higher than us in the table and still in the Cup.
3. He already said in the summer that he wouldn't come to Villa.

Lerner decides if there is money to spend. Everton are bankrupt, and where did he say he wouldn't join villa? If this rotten apple needs to be in charge for a season to reduce the wage bill then so be it. Moyes would jump at the chance to manage our fine club if money was made available.

Well, here for one. The bit where he says "I'm not interested anyway."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/21/david-moyes-aston-villa-denial
 
That was while Gerrard was in charge. Completely different if the post is free with money to spend.

Yes, you're absolutely right. The job will be so much more attractive to him now.
Let's disagree but with money available Villa would be a step up for Moyes.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Let's disagree but with money available Villa would be a step up for Moyes.

OK, let's. Let's ignore the fact he's already said it wouldn't be as well.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Eigentor on February 25, 2012, 06:54:28 PM
I voted no. We're no nearer the relegation zone, so I stand by my opinion that we should wait until the end of the season to decide. That doesn't mean that I don't think we can do better. He's proving to be a limited manager (as a lot of us suspected), but if he was the best the board could attract in July, who would they bring in March?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: hawkeye on February 25, 2012, 06:55:23 PM
I thing Mcliesh is now a dead man walking, my concern now is that the fans reaction will have a negative impact on the team and we still need points, very worrying
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on February 25, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Voted Yes! Sadly wanted Big Eck to succeed but it just hasnt worked for him or us!!

As for a replacement? God knows!  :(

Paul lambert or brendan rogers but doubt either of them would leave their clubs to inherit this mess.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:57:43 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Let's disagree but with money available Villa would be a step up for Moyes.

OK, let's. Let's ignore the fact he's already said it wouldn't be as well.
Yea when he got no transfer money to spend and being respectful to a manager in post. Villa would interview him 4 times anyway.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on February 25, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Voted Yes! Sadly wanted Big Eck to succeed but it just hasnt worked for him or us!!

As for a replacement? God knows!  :(

Paul lambert or brendan rogers but doubt either of them would leave their clubs to inherit this mess.

Of course they would, we still have a better squad and better resources than their teams. It's also an easy task to be popular when you're succeeding McLeish at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
I voted yes this time. I was and still am furious after that.

But nothing will dramatically change until we get new ownership o.ur at the least a board with a clue
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: caster troy on February 25, 2012, 06:59:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on February 25, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Voted Yes! Sadly wanted Big Eck to succeed but it just hasnt worked for him or us!!

As for a replacement? God knows!  :(

Paul lambert or brendan rogers but doubt either of them would leave their clubs to inherit this mess.

Of course they would, we still have a better squad and better resources than their teams. It's also an easy task to be popular when you're succeeding McLeish at Villa Park.

Martinez didnt exactly jump at the chance , lambert and rogers have their teams playing attractive football and would be a big improvement if either could be tempted.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 25, 2012, 07:06:27 PM
Still yes, I'd let sid and his wife have a go, can't do any worse
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 25, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 25, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
I voted yes this time. I was and still am furious after that.

But nothing will dramatically change until we get new ownership o.ur at the least a board with a clue

This - we are in free fall on and off the pitch.
Worrying times
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 25, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on February 25, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Had enough. I wanted him to succeed, but the job is beyond him.

He's got to go.

That's my thoughts too.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 25, 2012, 07:14:30 PM
Short and Simple - F*** off McLeish ........ Today was new low point in your short tenure at Aston Villa  - being content with a point at Wigan and setting up the team the way he did was painful to watch. The team seems totally devoid of any confidence whatsoever. Plus you are a grade A T*** for perservering with that donkey Heskey.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 07:14:40 PM
I wonder if he still gives himself a 'satisfactory' rating.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Californian Villain on February 25, 2012, 07:15:06 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 06:54:13 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Let's disagree but with money available Villa would be a step up for Moyes.

OK, let's. Let's ignore the fact he's already said it wouldn't be as well.

It's not a step up (clue: look at the league table)

Moyes said several times he doesn't want to come (see link in above post or just look on the net)

We don't have any money to spend (just search the terms "wage bill" on this site for more info)

Otherwise it's a great idea.


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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 25, 2012, 07:21:26 PM
Time's up. Nothing personal against him, but he's not good enough for Villa in any capacity. We need to show so much more ambition, there can't be a more depressing club in the league at the moment. Blackburn were, but even they've shown some spirit.
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Post by: VillaBobby on February 25, 2012, 07:22:07 PM
McCleish was employed as a smoke screen for the board to rape the squad during the summer. When the board sold Milner there was unrest from the supporters and MON walked, as obviously any ambition we had had gone.

Last summer we sold the only 2 players with true value in them and employed the buffoon from Blues.

Protests etc to rid us of McCleish are only scratching the surface.

What saleable assets are left for the board this summer?

Stay up this season and we will only be in a relegation battle again next.
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Post by: MarkM on February 25, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
Just listened to 606, a blues fan and a baggies fan both said that McL is not good enough for the Villa.

We are saying he is not good enough for the Villa

The only person who seems to think he is good enough is Lerner!

When will he open his eyes
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Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
He looked a bit shaken in the post match interview.
He cannot be enjoying this now and his position is becoming untennable
Lost the dressing room, lost the fans.
Simply cannot go on much longer
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Post by: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:28:40 PM
The day randy appointed paul faulkner was the start of our decline ,his total lack of experience has seen us embark on this downward spiral and the departure of mon along with the poor appointments of houllier and mcleish- time to go randy .
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Post by: Rodders on February 25, 2012, 07:29:11 PM
Voted no last time; was in the 'give him til the end of the season' camp.

Today has pushed me over to the other side, though. Am now in the 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' camp. And I have got a big tent.
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Post by: VillaSpen on February 25, 2012, 07:49:51 PM
I genuinely don't think I could name an available manager that would come in and change the way I view that set of players, to be honest. I've become desensitised to the durge.

Would Lerner really spend the money it would take to get him out and bring another man in? After last summer's debacle I'd fear that attempting to get someone in now that would placate anybody would lead us into a catastrophic search like the one Wolves have just given up on.

I don't think McLeish is the right man and I never have but I'm not someone who wanted him out instantly. Now, though? Yeah, if we had a decent replacement lined up I'd happily see him go.
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Post by: villajk on February 25, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 25, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on February 25, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Had enough. I wanted him to succeed, but the job is beyond him.

He's got to go.

That's my thoughts too.

This.

For some daft reason I really thought he could do a job for us.

Today was the final straw.  We spend our hard earned money to watch crap like that.  There was a time when we seemed to have turned a corner but he's now reverted to type.  Has to go I'm afraid.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 25, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
Just listened to 606, a blues fan and a baggies fan both said that McL is not good enough for the Villa.

We are saying he is not good enough for the Villa

The only person who seems to think he is good enough is Lerner!

When will he open his eyes

I doubt Randy thinks he is good enough. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Randy Lerner doesn't particularly care either way.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 25, 2012, 07:55:50 PM
I stand by my earlier view though I'm starting to swither. Sack him in the summer and get the best possible new man in rather than jump on the first lifeboat rolling past. The manner in which Lerner and Faulkner have arsed up the last two appointments fills me with dread as to who they will appoint (the club's stock has got continually worse as well so in terms of who we can attract we have a case of diminishing returns) so the idea of them scraping around for a new manager mid-season with a restricted field to select from would probably see us ending up with someone absolutely awful like Steve Bruce or Alan Curbishley. Look at Wolves, they ended up promoting a coach as there are so few good managers around.

Fuck him off in the summer and bring in the best new man we can get rather than making a sub-optimal appointment now. Hopefully, we won't be relegated. The thought of him continuing next season doesn't bear thinking of. Shit football, played in a stadium that is even more of a mausoleum and probably leading contenders to go down next season.
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Post by: Ian. on February 25, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 25, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
Just listened to 606, a blues fan and a baggies fan both said that McL is not good enough for the Villa.

We are saying he is not good enough for the Villa

The only person who seems to think he is good enough is Lerner!

When will he open his eyes

I doubt Randy thinks he is good enough. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Randy Lerner doesn't particularly care either way.
This to me is even more worrying than anything else. For so many years I thought we had someone running our club who wanted to make sure everything from top to bottom was in place and willing to improve every aspect of Aston Villa FC.
I hope he still does, I'm beginning to wonder though.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 07:53:38 PM

I doubt Randy thinks he is good enough. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Randy Lerner doesn't particularly care either way.

And that is the problem.

Randy wants the wage bill cut, and McLeish says he'll do it. That is what matters to him.

The problem is, you look at the fantastic support like the 4,000 who travelled up today, and it's pretty difficult to square Randy's view of the club with the way they see it.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 25, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
I wonder how many of the 13% or so who want him to stay still want him sacked but only in the summer?
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 07:59:07 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 25, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
I wonder how many of the 13% or so who want him to stay still want him sacked but only in the summer?

I would imagine quite a high percentage.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 08:00:46 PM
I also think that McLeish going won't suddenly solve all our problems. Strikes me the problems down B6 extend further than just the manager isn't very good. To paraphrase SGT MKI, "the club just doesn't smell right"
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Post by: phantom limb on February 25, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
Yep, get rid.

He's had ample chances with the players at his disposal and it's been horrendously negative football in the main, supplemented by our inability to ever shoot at the opposition goal, defend set-pieces or pass to someone on our own team. Can we swap him with the Cleveland Browns manager? He couldn't do much feckin' worse.
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Post by: D.boy on February 25, 2012, 08:03:49 PM
I was suprised (to say the least) when McLeish was appointed but thought I would give him a chance. I have watched the performances deteriorate to the clueless dirge we are currently being served up and am amazed at some of his post match comments. The defensive tactics and playing for a draw even before a ball is kicked has turned this great club into a shambles. I have got to the stage where I have had enough. There is something rotten strangling the life out of this club and it needs to be sorted fast.
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Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2012, 08:12:46 PM
A dreadful season getting worse. How did we end up here. Board made a crap decision and the appointee is proving that behind any doubt.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 25, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 25, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on February 25, 2012, 06:01:28 PM
Had enough. I wanted him to succeed, but the job is beyond him.

He's got to go.

That's my thoughts too.

This.

For some daft reason I really thought he could do a job for us.

Today was the final straw.  We spend our hard earned money to watch crap like that.  There was a time when we seemed to have turned a corner but he's now reverted to type.  Has to go I'm afraid.

Same here. I've backed him up till now but at some stage you have to say it simply has not been anywhere near good enough. Do not necessarily sack him immediately but Lerner should be putting a plan into action to prepare a replacement. Talk to Doug, he had a saying `Keep your powder dry`. Doug can give him some advice on loading the barrels, but more importantly advice on firing the bullets when you already know who you are bringing in. 
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Post by: bertlambshank on February 25, 2012, 08:17:41 PM
How long before the Randy out Facebook campaign starts.
He has brought it on himself.
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Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
The real concern is, even if they sack him, I'd have zero confidence in the next appointment
They'd probably get Shhteve or Sven or Curbishley
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Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.
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Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?
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Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 25, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy on February 25, 2012, 08:03:49 PM
I was suprised (to say the least) when McLeish was appointed but thought I would give him a chance. I have watched the performances deteriorate to the clueless dirge we are currently being served up and am amazed at some of his post match comments. The defensive tactics and playing for a draw even before a ball is kicked has turned this great club into a shambles. I have got to the stage where I have had enough. There is something rotten strangling the life out of this club and it needs to be sorted fast.

Agree totally - the way I feel tonight that's my last away game until he goes.

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Post by: Cuz on February 25, 2012, 08:35:04 PM
he must do the right thing and resign asap!!
Shocking decisions tactics etc he is not up to the job
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
He has to go, he must know that, anymore dropped points and we are bang in it, Villa will get relegated at this rate.
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Post by: olaftab on February 25, 2012, 08:37:02 PM
McLeish has an excellent record in taking a team in reasonable security, with about 10 games to go, to relegation without a lot of fuss or bother. He systemically drives down the performance level to total ineffectiveness from where the team finds an easy path to fail and keep failing till the end result is achieved. This is his great attribute as proved in his previous appointment.
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Post by: Moorski on February 25, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
He will not resign or be sacked folks!
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Post by: Nirog72 on February 25, 2012, 08:37:24 PM
He gets £40k per week, he isn't a fan and probably believes this is all someone else's fault. He isn't going to walk.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I think it's the dizzying speed with which we have fallen that is most shocking. Our collective mind has not been able to cope with the speed of events. Our minds are still stuck in the early days of the revolution, hence our reluctance to criticise the board. If the decline had taken longer, we'd be better prepared for it.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html
Quote
UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."
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Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

There's a few posts above that sum up my feelings better than my slightly drunk self.

Basically, everyone's got a tipping point haven't they?
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Post by: ronshirt on February 25, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
I voted to keep McLeish. There's not much point in getting rid when there isn't much of a credible alternative; plus I like him - no reason for this other than that he seems honest enough and that he's not Houllier and that he was the only manager foolish enough to take hold of the shitty end of a stick proffered by Mr Randy Lerner.

I believe that McLeish's brief this season was solely to ensure survival. If that is so then perhaps he's simply doing his job and the criticism of his style of football is pointless: you might as well criticise a  road-sweeper for not wearing spats and a top hat.

Mr Lerner gambled a great deal of money on reaching the sunny uplands of Champions League. He got near enough to get a whiff of the swill bin but never got his snout into the trough: the rest has been the story of a learner stung at the poker table - bet low, stay in the game, watch and see how it's done by the big boys.

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Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.
I get that Paulie, I'm just interested to know why one of AM's vociferous defenders up until this game has now decided he must go.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html
Quote
UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."

I'd have thought the "we want our Villa back" song had fuck all to do with where he came from? Typical lazy (aka shit) journalism or am I wrong?
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Post by: Aston Manor on February 25, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
I have voted no. I didn't want him because of where he came from and his poor record and poor, dull, football over there. My vitriol gave way to annoyance and gave way to a genuine like for the guy because you can see he genuinely wants to get it right. I knew randy wasn't going to sack him so it seemed better to support him. The football was poor, occasionally dire, and very occasionally okay.

Knowing that there were 3 teams worse than us gave him breathing space and allowed us to tread water. No, I'm not sure that our football is reflective of 3 teams being better than us.

Defensively we have been shockingly bad. The team have looked disjointed all season and not able to follow a plan. I'm sure he has one but we look no better than if I went into the dressing-room, picked the team and told them what I wanted to do.

We can't win at home, have strange selections, always look like we will concede and have 3 games that will decide how our fans will react for the final games ofthe season and where we will finish.

sack him now? Pointless. Who would we get. Wait for the summer? - well it will only happen if we go down. If we stay up it will be seen as job done - cut the wages and just get through the season so Randy will give him whatever money is available to spend.

Ultimately we're screwed because we can't shift him. And anyway, would you trust Lerner and Faulkner to get the decision right next time?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2012, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 08:37:54 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Lee N'B on February 25, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.
I get that Paulie, I'm just interested to know why one of AM's vociferous defenders up until this game has now decided he must go.

Then read the post above.
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Post by: Moorski on February 25, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
Mc Leish will never win over the Villa fans,he is a decent bloke but a poor Manager and won't improve at our club.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I think it's the dizzying speed with which we have fallen that is most shocking. Our collective mind has not been able to cope with the speed of events. Our minds are still stuck in the early days of the revolution, hence our reluctance to criticise the board. If the decline had taken longer, we'd be better prepared for it.

Bang on, its breathtaking, just what has happened, you could go further and look at individual players, can anybody see any Villa player of late that looks like they would give there all, I don't, its just not in them, don't get me wrong I love Gabby Agbonlahor, Gabby and Villa are one in the same thing for me, but has anybody seen a ray of sunshine from in his face for ages now, has anybody seen him whack the ball in the net and then run over to the fans pointing to his name on the back of his shirt beaming with delight.

Quite honestly its just crap and its sad to see.
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Post by: Witton Warrior on February 25, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 25, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html
Quote
UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."

All those responses are understandable until the last one - come on Alec define "prosper" to me - how many wins this season? How many goals? How many clean sheets?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: OzVilla on February 25, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I think it's the dizzying speed with which we have fallen that is most shocking. Our collective mind has not been able to cope with the speed of events. Our minds are still stuck in the early days of the revolution, hence our reluctance to criticise the board. If the decline had taken longer, we'd be better prepared for it.

Well from a staunch Lerner supporter i'm totally over him now.  I think this just shows that all along Lerners tenure at the Club, he's basically been a silent partner.  With MON running things from top to bottom we got ourselves into a good position to realise our potential.  As with most Managers in the transfer market, MON signed some quality and some dross but unfortunatley he paid handsomely for all of it and overpaid in wages with his Britisg first approach.  That was his major mistake.

I'm fast coming to the view that MON saw and heard from Lerner what we have been seeing for the last 18 months hence we scuttled off sharpish.  Leaving Lerner and the clueless Faulkner to start really running the place for the first time - and so the farce began.

We can blame AM all we like, as we did GH last year and MON for his disappearing act - but Lerner, that's where our problems originate and will keep on repeating until something changes.


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Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
Most frustrating thing is he was showing signs of winning the fans over. The performance against Arsenal at home and then the win at Chelsea got most but the "he managed the blose u know" brigade off his back.

But he seems to have learnt nothing. The way the crowd reacted after the Arsenal game showed that as long as there was fight, desire and an attempt to compete and try and win that regardless of result we couldn't ask for more. Yet he then gives up the ghost before a ball is kicked against Citeh and made no real effort to win the game today.

As nice a bloke as he comes across, it's almost as though he's determined to alienate all the fans including those that want him to succeed.

I wonder if he realises he's bringing a lot of it on himself?
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

Look at QPR. Most people would have thought that swapping Warnock for Hughes would be a step upwards. They've now got 4 points out of the last 18. Changing a manager at this point doesn't always give the boost intended.

Edited for right stat.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

I agree, its a mistake that many club have made and many clubs have paid the price for keeping faith with a sinking ship, act now....

There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

I agree, its a mistake that many club have made and many clubs have paid the price for keeping faith with a sinking ship, act now....

There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.

Are there? Who? Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce, Sven... that's all I can think of.
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Post by: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

Look at QPR. Most people would have thought that swapping Warnock for Hughes would be a step upwards. They've now lost six in a row I believe. Changing a manager at this point doesn't always give the boost intended.
I agree SV to a point, but our squad is a damn sight better than QPR's.
With the rght manager, tactics and approach to games, there is a decent team in our squad.
Sadly, we aint got a management team to realise ths potential
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Post by: charlie on February 25, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Under Eck we will NOT prosper. He will not convince the very fans he 'needs', so many many reasons come to mind, some linked with his time as a swineherd, some with his ability to relegate  but mostly it is the style of football played. we have attacking players, young and senior, who seem shackled by some kind of defensive force field imposed by management. maybe its an unfair assessment, maybe a wrong perception, but it has to be said that many many fans detest the whole Eck scenario. The excuses don't ring true, the football is p*** poor, the 'entertainment??' is dire, the fans chanting 'we want our Villa back' are right. We do not even play Nose football as we lack the grit and bloody mindedness sometimes found at the sty. It was a desperately unaware appointment, one bound to divide and antagonise, and it has not worked. It suggests to fans that Randy no longer cares, maybe that is the case. In the 70s I loved to sit in Trinity B, before the matches, listening to Baker Street echoing round the stands. With apologies to the memory of Gerry Rafferty, the tune now is...If we get it right we'll get it wrong next time''.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

Look at QPR. Most people would have thought that swapping Warnock for Hughes would be a step upwards. They've now got 4 points out of the last 18. Changing a manager at this point doesn't always give the boost intended.

Edited for right stat.

But you can sight many situations where its worked the other way, you could say look at Wolves today, a magnificent come back at Newcastle, wouldn't mind betting under MM they would have sunk without trace, not because MM was crap but because he'd lost the groove to motivate the players.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 25, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
Kick the fucker out.
I'd also like to see the back of the people who toe the club party line for their own interests.
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Post by: OzVilla on February 25, 2012, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

Look at QPR. Most people would have thought that swapping Warnock for Hughes would be a step upwards. They've now lost six in a row I believe. Changing a manager at this point doesn't always give the boost intended.

I agree, I also think you do have to look at the candidates (see Wolves search - same names for us) and look at the man who will be doing the hireing. 

And to be fair to AM, he's doing the job Lerner probably asked him to do - keep us up while I reduce the costs.  So based on this I'd still stick with AM until the end of the season - but only just.

What a state we are in though.

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Post by: TheSandman on February 25, 2012, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.

Steve Bruce? Alan Curbishley? Anyone else?

Look at the Wolves situation. None of the downright depressing options they looked at wanted to take on a job short term and with the risk of relegation. Our best option would be to either bear with McLeish then fuck him off at the end of the season and get in the best manager we can rather than getting a less good option now. If we do sack him then our best option for a short term appointment would be to temporarily promote Kevin Mac and Sid. But they are part of our current failling regime. Though on form we'll probably sack McLeish and bring in Steve Bruce on a five year deal. Sir Alex might write Mr Lerner, sir another letter of recommendation.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

I agree, its a mistake that many club have made and many clubs have paid the price for keeping faith with a sinking ship, act now....

There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.

Are there? Who? Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce, Sven... that's all I can think of.

Maybe someone like Coppell, great tactician and a very intelligent man, said he retired but then retracted that, IMO never had the right club, can't be any worse than McLiesh, give him a run till the end of the season so we get safe, if he does a good job, fair enough, if there is no promise there lets get after Flores who made it very clear he wanted the Villa job, now managing in the middle east but i'm sure he will soon drop that if he was sincere about Villa come the summer.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

I agree, its a mistake that many club have made and many clubs have paid the price for keeping faith with a sinking ship, act now....

There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.

Are there? Who? Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce, Sven... that's all I can think of.

Poyet, Di canio are 2 managers. They would cost less than the current waster.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 25, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 25, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
The argument to keep him because of perceived lack of alternatives is dangerous.
So, some are happy to fiddle while Rome burns ?

If the Villa job became available, then its down to the owner to make th job to good to turn down.
If he truly has the club at heart he would be abl to make the right appointmnt.

Mind you, there is the crux - does he anymore ?

(excuse typing - Jack D encroaching!!)

I agree, its a mistake that many club have made and many clubs have paid the price for keeping faith with a sinking ship, act now....

There are a good few managers out there who are sitting on there bums doing nothing, even if they take over now short term till the end of the season to see how they go would be a better option.

Are there? Who? Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce, Sven... that's all I can think of.

Poyet, Di canio are 2 managers. They would cost less than the current waster.

But would they jack in their current clubs midseason? I'm guessing no. Wait until summer and approach them then and we'll probably get a positive answer.
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Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 09:10:49 PM
If he goes, just put KMac and Sid in charge
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 25, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Poyet, Di canio are 2 managers. They would cost less than the current waster.
Christ no.
Get somebody in who has an ethos of playing decent, passing football.
Lambert or Rodgers.

Although I doubt they'd particularly want to work for our fuckwitted owner.
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Post by: villan from luton on February 25, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
How much say do Kevin MacDonald and Gordon Cowans have in the present set up, very little I guess.

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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 25, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Poyet, Di canio are 2 managers. They would cost less than the current waster.
Christ no.
Get somebody in who has an ethos of playing decent, passing football.
Lambert or Rodgers.

Although I doubt they'd particularly want to work for our fuckwitted owner.
Both played good football and manage the team the same
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Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on February 25, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
How much say do Kevin MacDonald and Gordon Cowans have in the present set up, very little I guess.

Dunno, but KMac was out on the pitch with the lads pre-match, drilling them etc
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 25, 2012, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 25, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
Poyet, Di canio are 2 managers. They would cost less than the current waster.
Christ no.
Get somebody in who has an ethos of playing decent, passing football.
Lambert or Rodgers.

Although I doubt they'd particularly want to work for our fuckwitted owner.
Both played good football and manage the team the same
My only reservation is their lack of experience in the top 2 divisions.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

More than Mcliesh?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

More than Mcliesh?

Without a doubt, nationally.
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Post by: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

These Italians have so many suits, designer shoes, macintoshes, scarves, shirts and ties it all has to go into Luis Vitton....  :D
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Post by: Moorski on February 25, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Di Canio would not be a wise choice imo atm, he is very hot headed, Lambert would be good but he will not come to us.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
An Aston Villa manager playing for a 0-0 at the bottom team should be sacked on the spot.

Unacceptable dross that was.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:20:24 PM
Quote from: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

These Italians have so many suits, designer shoes, macintoshes, scarves, shirts and ties it all has to go into Luis Vitton....  :D

Italians using French designers? I think not.
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Post by: villan from luton on February 25, 2012, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 09:13:44 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on February 25, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
How much say do Kevin MacDonald and Gordon Cowans have in the present set up, very little I guess.

Dunno, but KMac was out on the pitch with the lads pre-match, drilling them etc

I very much doubt he would be giving the tactics on how to defend a 0-0 draw at the bottom club, but may be wrong.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 25, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
I don't want anybody who takes pleasure in giving a facist salute managing us.

O'Neill was a bad enough ego maniac, Di Canio would make him look like a shrinking violet.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:20:24 PM
Quote from: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

These Italians have so many suits, designer shoes, macintoshes, scarves, shirts and ties it all has to go into Luis Vitton....  :D

Italians using French designers? I think not.
He has done wonders at lowly Swindon, great player and a character who wants to see and play great football. We currently got a bent nosed ..............
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Post by: ez on February 25, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
An Aston Villa manager playing for a 0-0 at the bottom team should be sacked on the spot.

Unacceptable dross that was.
True. Coward tactics against Man City was bad but against Wigan as well...
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:24:52 PM
Stevie Coppell:

Still one of the top listed LMA managers and up until he took over for a short spell at Bristol City was bang on for the England Job.

"To other causes Coppell had no problem bending his back. At 28, he put behind him the trauma of a career-busting knee injury to take over as manager at Crystal Palace.
He stayed for 10 straight years, during which he steered Palace to their highest finish in football's upper tier, third, and in 1990 took Manchester United to a replay in the FA Cup final.
The inaugural season of the Premier League in 1992/93 coincided with the cyclical decline of the lesser club. Palace were relegated, prompting Coppell's resignation, but not to the detriment of his standing in the game, and he wastalked about as a candidate for the England post.
Successful cameos at Brentford and Brighton post-Manchester apocalypse led to his appointment at Reading in 2003. The alchemy returned with Coppell taking Reading into football's highest echelon on the back of a points haul, 106, that is a record in the English game.
Reading finished a point shy of European qualification in their first Premier League season, a feat which earned Coppell the manager of the year award from his peers and more significantly, the endorsement of Sir Alex Ferguson.
Despite his remarkable achievements at Reading and Palace, it is the dramatic volte face for which Coppell will be most readily remembered, and speared.
Coppell graduated with a degree in economic history 35 years ago while banging up and down the right flank at United. On the other wing was Gordon Hill, who balanced Coppell's intellectual contribution to Old Trafford life with impressions of Norman Wisdom.
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Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
you can tell he's lost the dressing room, the way Ireland and Zog were whispering to each other during the sideline walm ups

Felt sorry for Baker, he warmed up for about 75 mins without getting a run
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Post by: Aston Manor on February 25, 2012, 09:27:21 PM
I actually think Curbishley could do the job but want Lambert. I wouldn't be too disappointed to take the manager from McLeish's ex-employers either.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on February 25, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
you can tell he's lost the dressing room, the way Ireland and Zog were whispering to each other during the sideline walm ups

Felt sorry for Baker, he warmed up for about 75 mins without getting a run

After warming up for 75mins he would have had to substituted for someone else to warm up in his place  ;D.....don't you just love McLiesh.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 25, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 25, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
I don't want anybody who takes pleasure in giving a facist salute managing us.

O'Neill was a bad enough ego maniac, Di Canio would make him look like a shrinking violet.
Let's stick with Mcliesh then.
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Post by: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:30:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:20:24 PM
Quote from: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 25, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Di Canio comes with a massive amount of baggage as well.

These Italians have so many suits, designer shoes, macintoshes, scarves, shirts and ties it all has to go into Luis Vitton....  :D

Italians using French designers? I think not.

oh ar$e! I best stop coveting that man bag as i'm far from worthy.. :))
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Post by: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
I would be pleased to see the back of McLeish, alas though I see a couple of problems 1) the compo the board would have to pay to get shot added to the compo they paid to get him in! would make it unpalatable for them if they don't think we are going to go down this year plus the ego of admitting they have dropped a major bollock and then 2) who in their right mind of the people the fans would ideally like to see in charge would really want the job knowing the fact they are going to have naff all to spend and we are in a worse situation than when we appointment McLeish and we couldn't get who we wanted then.

That said I like a good lynching so 1) and 2) certainly shouldn't stop it from happening!
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Post by: Holte End Stylist on February 25, 2012, 09:41:01 PM
to paraphrase Paul Weller....he has no solutions ,,,,better get used to it!!!!!!!!

i voted yes
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
I would be pleased to see the back of McLeish, alas though I see a couple of problems 1) the compo the board would have to pay to get shot added to the compo they paid to get him in! would make it unpalatable for them if they don't think we are going to go down this year plus the ego of admitting they have dropped a major bollock and then 2) who in their right mind of the people the fans would ideally like to see in charge would really want the job knowing the fact they are going to have naff all to spend and we are in a worse situation than when we appointment McLeish and we couldn't get who we wanted then.

That said I like a good lynching so 1) and 2) certainly shouldn't stop it from happening!

And 3: The way the amount of fans that are now starting to boycott games, plus another season finishing lower plus the fact we could get relagated will cost a lot more than getting rid of McLiesh.

Revenue is draining from the club at all ends.
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Post by: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: wombat on February 25, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
I would be pleased to see the back of McLeish, alas though I see a couple of problems 1) the compo the board would have to pay to get shot added to the compo they paid to get him in! would make it unpalatable for them if they don't think we are going to go down this year plus the ego of admitting they have dropped a major bollock and then 2) who in their right mind of the people the fans would ideally like to see in charge would really want the job knowing the fact they are going to have naff all to spend and we are in a worse situation than when we appointment McLeish and we couldn't get who we wanted then.

That said I like a good lynching so 1) and 2) certainly shouldn't stop it from happening!

And 3: The way the amount of fans that are now starting to boycott games, plus another season finishing lower plus the fact we could get relagated will cost a lot more than getting rid of McLiesh.

Revenue is draining from the club at all ends.

True... Somebody on the board needs to do the maths (well they'd probably call it math) and see how it adds up, then it's trigger pulling time assuming it tips in the get rid favour. They certainly won't get anymore of my money whilst the current situation remains. I could have gone to Wigan today, but was on call I could have got someone to cover but I would have lost £80 on call for the day, plus the petrol and ticket going would have cost me going on for £150. A few years back i'd have considered it, and no doubt probably gone for it. They way things currently are though it's don't take a rocket scientist to work out it wasn't worth it!
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Post by: ozzjim on February 25, 2012, 09:48:46 PM
Curbishley from on an 18 month contract makes a lot of sense for where we are at. He can at least organise a side.

The clown in charge has to go, and soon.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 09:51:13 PM
Sack him and ask KMac and GC very nicely to get us through to the end of the season. They surely couldn't do a worse job, and they must have a better relationship with the players than The Oaf. He's lost everybody... the players... the fans. We could start with a clean slate in the summer and approach one manager (Lambert maybe?). Incidentally, anyone know which players' contracts are up this year. Heskey for sure... but which others?
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Post by: NeilH on February 25, 2012, 09:51:54 PM
You know what really scares me. Despite everything we can clearly see, I honestly believe that Faulkner thinks that things are okay and is telling Lerner so.

He's doing this for two reason, (1) he honestly still believe that McLeish is the man for the job or  (2) he realises he's made a massive fu**king error and is covering his arse by lying to an absentee owner.
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Post by: Villanation on February 25, 2012, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: NeilH on February 25, 2012, 09:51:54 PM
You know what really scares me. Despite everything we can clearly see, I honestly believe that Faulkner thinks that things are okay and is telling Lerner so.

He's doing this for two reason, (1) he honestly still believe that McLeish is the man for the job or  (2) he realises he's made a massive fu**king error and is covering his arse by lying to an absentee owner.

Well there is one way of navigating around that, enough of us log onto the Cleveland Browns website forum and ask what the phuk are you doing with our club and do you actually know what's gong on at Villa or don't you care.

I logged onto it on the eve of him buying the club and the fans there said that it was absolutely true that the rumors of Lerner buying the club and it would happen very soon and he was talking openly about it over in the US. 









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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 10:01:51 PM
I wouldn't bother. You'll just get called a homo and they'll lock the thread. They aren't the most progressive of chaps.
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Post by: TaxDodger on February 25, 2012, 10:03:38 PM
Di Canio? Wow. I'd rather O'Leary back.
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Post by: brian green on February 25, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
I think the board are much more likely to sack him after a bad home performance with the crowd baying for his blood.   They aren't the most progressive of chaps.
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Post by: ozzjim on February 25, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
I think the crowd baying for the boards blood is much more likely to get him sacked.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
We need to get a crowd to VP for it to bay. Sure won't be one for the Fulham game.
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Post by: Aston Manor on February 25, 2012, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 25, 2012, 10:18:01 PM
We need to get a crowd to VP for it to bay. Sure won't be one for the Fulham game.

yow a yam-yam?
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Post by: TheSandman on February 25, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
Considering they are largely absentee a baying Villa Park probably won't be noticed. The way for people to exhibit their disaffection would be to boycott and hit them in the pocket. I'm not advocating that as I know for lots of us the Villa is like a drug and we just won't be able to turn our back on the bastard day ruining thing.
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Post by: hawkeye on February 25, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
I think the risk of keeping him is bigger than the risk of getting rid, we are in decline, the fans know, the staff know and the players know. The level of negativity now surrounding him could really damage us. KM and GC is a much better bet than sticking with him.
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Post by: Shrek on February 25, 2012, 10:58:26 PM
We should sack now. But Kevin McDonald is not the answer, we were rudderless with him in charge.

We need to not mess around like we have previously and like wolves have just done.
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Post by: myf on February 25, 2012, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on February 25, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
I think the risk of keeping him is bigger than the risk of getting rid, we are in decline, the fans know, the staff know and the players know. The level of negativity now surrounding him could really damage us. KM and GC is a much better bet than sticking with him.

Anyone know what would be cost of sacking him?

Also would km want it after the way he was treated in 2010?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on February 25, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
An Aston Villa manager playing for a 0-0 at the bottom team should be sacked on the spot.

Unacceptable dross that was.

That is it, in a two sentence nutshell.
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Post by: j66acd on February 25, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
Apologies if you have already seen it, but had anybody seen Mcleish's name on Wikipedia? Made me laugh.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 11:21:26 PM
It's like he thinks you get three points for a scoreless draw.

Sorry, wrong thread. But that post match interview was terrible. He looks ragged. He must be under terrible personal strain. It's just a horrible situation for everybody concerned.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 25, 2012, 11:25:45 PM
Quote from: j66acd on February 25, 2012, 11:15:57 PM
Apologies if you have already seen it, but had anybody seen Mcleish's name on Wikipedia? Made me laugh.

It could have been worse.
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Post by: gervilla on February 25, 2012, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 11:21:26 PM
It's like he thinks you get three points for a scoreless draw.

Sorry, wrong thread. But that post match interview was terrible. He looks ragged. He must be under terrible personal strain. It's just a horrible situation for everybody concerned.

He looks like he fucked up big time and has no idea how to sort this horrible mess out.
We are doomed.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 25, 2012, 11:36:04 PM
Still think its a case of careful what you wish for. November last year everyone was calling for GH's head and we got Mcleish. We're hardly a more attractive proposition now. We're a very poor side overall and giving the tin tack to another manager when we're 3 points off mid-table (which is as good as we are), may not have the desired effect when you consider we'll hardly be picking from the best candidates. Bottom line is you can't polish a turd (at least not MON's) and unless money is forthcoming the next guy will have the same problems unless he's a miracle worker
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Post by: ROBBO on February 25, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
When things were at there worse with Houllier at least he knew he could do the job because he had it on his CV, MCleish's CV looks like a  history of disaster,having said that i can sympathise with him, you wouldn't expect him to knock the job back. Blame for the situation we find ourselves in must be laid where it's due and that person is Faulkner because his history of running the day to day affairs of our great club looks like another history of disaster, but again i can sympathise with him, so who appointed him?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Has anyone else noticed the facial expressions of McLeish and Peter Grant during our matches?

McLeish looks terrified and Grant just looks vacant.
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 25, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
I don't understand this argument that McLeish's brief for this season was just to keep us up.

Was there some expectation that Villa should be in for a relegation fight?  Even without Young and Downing, any half-decent manager should be able to achieve that rather underwhelming task.

And then what?  Is something special happening next season?  Is Lerner going to start backing us again?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 12:14:29 AM
if he was sacked, i'd give it to Cowan's. the kids we're supposedly relying on for our bright future are his so if anyone can get something out of them it should be him. He knows the club inside out and what the fans expect  They'd also give him a bit more time than GH or Mcleish were given. Seems a better option than some of the names who'd we be likely to approach, and would take the job given the shit finances. We'd probably end up with Southgate this time
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 26, 2012, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Has anyone else noticed the facial expressions of McLeish and Peter Grant during our matches?

McLeish looks terrified and Grant just looks vacant.

Watching the pair of them, Grant seems to think he's some kind of tactical genius whilst Alex just screams his head off. Then sat in the background is Kevin McDonald, who I imagine doesn't have a voice on matchday. Same AM didn't turn up last summer by himself and taken McDonald as his Assistant as I really thought we could have made a Villa man out of McLeish. At least we know KMac's teams play good football and all the players respect him.

I'd imagine we'll find out the truth in the near future when it'll all come out in the wash. And boy, do we need a wash.. preferably with ice cold water.
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Post by: eastie on February 26, 2012, 07:18:03 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 12:14:29 AM
if he was sacked, i'd give it to Cowan's. the kids we're supposedly relying on for our bright future are his so if anyone can get something out of them it should be him. He knows the club inside out and what the fans expect  They'd also give him a bit more time than GH or Mcleish were given. Seems a better option than some of the names who'd we be likely to approach, and would take the job given the shit finances. We'd probably end up with Southgate this time

Some good points greg but lambert would be my choice, hes made his way up the divisions and his teams play good attractive football, seems to have good man management skills and be a motivator too- reminds me a bit or graham taylor and a bit of o neill in a way .
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Post by: jonc73 on February 26, 2012, 07:49:57 AM
RL and PF got us into this ridiculous mess, they'd be the ones to solve the problem now.They won't get rid and they cannot be trusted to get it right this time.
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Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2012, 07:52:12 AM
I really do like McLeish and want him to succeed. I'm just struggling to see how it is going to work.
There was a glimmer of hope towards the end of last year that we was at a turning point and we were trying to play football. Sadly since the Chelsea game those glimmers have all but disappeared from our eyes and he is reverting to the football we all associated with him but without the strong defence. The divide is too much now for it to work out.

I see him as a wounded animal on the side of road who need putting out his misery. The only thing that worries me is the next appointment. Last summers hunt does not fill me with confidence for a replacement and I do not have a lot of faith in KM and Sid to see us through to the end. Maybe they could I don't know but for the first time in a long time I'm worried about our situation.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 26, 2012, 07:53:16 AM
Oh for Deadly Doug now. A quite walk in the garden, a look at the roses, a crocodile tear for the media, and a new Manager on Monday. Sniff.
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Post by: ozzjim on February 26, 2012, 08:31:13 AM
Deadly would get shot of this fool. He saw it as a privileged to manage villa, not sentimental that he appointed them so can't get rid.

The only reason McLeish still has a job is because our board are like jellyfish without a sting.
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Post by: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 08:38:38 AM
Sid & Kev Mac are not the answer at first team level, Mc Leish is likely to stay for at least another season, we have seen the Board make a hash of the last two appointments so what is likely to change. It is impossible to see how McLeish can ever get the supporters on his side and so it is causing a massive negative effect on the atmosphere at games at home in particular.The Board need to act in the summer for the Clubs sake and get the next appointment right - Paul Lambert!
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Post by: preston28 on February 26, 2012, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I'll tell you in one word: FAULKENER.

Since our owner appointed him we have gone backwards faster than an WW2 Italian tank.
Not coincidence that once he was appointed as RL right hand man, MON fell out with him and we've had two disasterous managerial decisions since. Even if AM goes/is sacked can we trust this oaf to get someone better? I think not.
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Post by: jonc73 on February 26, 2012, 08:45:20 AM
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Deadly would get shot of this fool. He saw it as a privileged to manage villa, not sentimental that he appointed them so can't get rid.

The only reason McLeish still has a job is because our board are like jellyfish without a sting.

It's some achievement....I'm starting to see the Ellis days with fondness!

I like McLeish as a person-but it won't work as he should never have been appointed and his results have not been good. I'm in the 'this will never work so let's take the required action' camp.

I have zero faith in the owners of AVFC, so I wouldn't be surprised if we are having the same discussions in 12 months.
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Post by: Zhong Yi on February 26, 2012, 08:50:03 AM
like a few posters this season, and in this thread, I am also of the thinking that Paul Faulkener is a major reason we are in the mess we are in. By just going off what I have read on the internet since, I reckon he was a main reason in O'Neill leaving.

As for this season - worst since Venglos, no doubt about that. At least in that season we had a dynamic midfielder who at least gave some hope.

If ever there was a script written it is Sunderland under Martin O'Neill coming back to Villa Park at the end of this season and winning, winning well. No doom and gloom intended so I wont go as far as saying the 'R' word. But...it could happen. That's football.

Worst season since Venglos. end of. McLeish HAS to be sacked and a total clean sweep like GT or BFR is required in the summer or we are fucked next season. If we survive this one.
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Post by: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 08:53:35 AM
If McLeish stays on then season ticket sales will be well down for next season plus other supporters who attend now & again will simply stay away, we need a positive Villa Park so he has to go nice guy or not.
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Post by: NeilH on February 26, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: preston28 on February 26, 2012, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: eastie on February 25, 2012, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 25, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.


Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I'll tell you in one word: FAULKENER.

Since our owner appointed him we have gone backwards faster than an WW2 Italian tank.
Not coincidence that once he was appointed as RL right hand man, MON fell out with him and we've had two disasterous managerial decisions since. Even if AM goes/is sacked can we trust this oaf to get someone better? I think not.


Its deeper than that. We have an absentee owner who has simply delegated control to a man who has made poor decision after poor decision. He is now rapidly trying to cover his own arse and knows he can get away with it because the owner has little or no interest. Its a very toxic mix and I can't see it ending any time soon.
The sad thing about all of this, is the people that are suffering due to this institutional competence are the fans; the 4000 who went to Wigan to see a manager out of his depth directing a team with no respect for him. I'd like to think that the likes of Faulkener are thinking about those loyal and poor souls when they once more stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that everything it okay, but I sense that we are the last thing they care about right now.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 26, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/

Keown needs to fuck off the Chimp looking inbred and worry about his own team.
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Post by: andyh on February 26, 2012, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/
who really gives a fuck what Keown thinks or says ?
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 26, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
There are so many things wrong about that article that I can't even be bothered to list them
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Post by: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
Keown could not wait to get away from Villa, his opinions mean nothing these days about us.
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Post by: eastie on February 26, 2012, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 26, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
There are so many things wrong about that article that I can't even be bothered to list them

I cant even be bothered to read what he says- his opinion means nothing to me as he is not even a villa fan and was hardly loyal to the club .
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Post by: supertom on February 26, 2012, 09:44:04 AM
"Step into my office, cus you're fucking fired!"

Get him out. It's shite. If we're gonna be struggling with relegation, could we at least be entertaining with it? Blackburn will be tougher than Wigan. Lost that and we're in the mix again. I can't see where our next goals are coming from. We might nab the odd one through Benty (if/when he's back this season), but he's that sort of forward, like Andy Cole was, that you need to create 3-4 chances for him a game, minimum and he'll stick one away.

No, he's got to go. For the sake of all our sanities.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
I just posted the Keown piece because I stumbled across it and I thought he had been interested in us over recent seasons. However that article is ridiculously harsh on us at a time when we are already low.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 26, 2012, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
I just posted the Keown piece because I stumbled across it and I thought he had been interested in us over recent seasons. However that article is ridiculously harsh on us at a time when we are already low.

Wasn't criticising you. Just Keown.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 09:49:12 AM
If we sacked him now who would we get in? It would be madness to get rid of a manager this late into a season.
Leave him in place till the season ends, then give him the boot. He isn't fit enough to be our manager.
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Post by: jonc73 on February 26, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
Annoying to read but if you look back at some of the comments when we were managerless makes me think it's not without substance. Nobody was good enough it seemed to me.

There are a lot of unrealistic Villa fans around in my experience e.g still being unhappy when we were top under Gregory (style of football), same when MON was in charge at times.Trotting out statements from when Queen Victoria was on the throne etc etc.

I don't see that as the problem now though. Appointing the manager from your bitter rivals with a track record of relegation who the fans didn't want isn't working out....who could have known?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 09:49:12 AM
If we sacked him now who would we get in? It would be madness to get rid of a manager this late into a season.
Leave him in place till the season ends, then give him the boot. He isn't fit enough to be our manager.

I understand that argument, and can see where you're coming from, but if we avoid relegation, there is no way on earth they're going to sack him, I'm afraid.
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Post by: jonc73 on February 26, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
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there is no way on earth they're going to sack him, I'm afraid.

Do you think they'd sack AM in any circumstance? I don't think he'll go unless he resigns-which is highly unlikely. If the owner cared what the fans thought  he wouldn't have appointed him
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Post by: Ads on February 26, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
How can one hundred million buy such brittle and rotten foundations? The scale of collapse since O'Neill vindictively left the club is unreal. Not even an English middle order collapse is comparable. We're left hoping we stay up for a second year in a row. The monumental lack of thought in dithering last September and then appointing Houllier, spending five million to get rid, only to be followed up by spending Christ knows what on getting Mcliesh here, defies any sort of logic.

Couple that with the awful negative and fearful football that has produced just six wins, not one at home since November and it leads me to the conclusion that three owner, board and manager are an appalling disgrace.

We'll stay up and comfortably too, but nothing will change and the squad will get smaller and weaker until it becomes a real effort staying in the league.
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Post by: TheMalandro on February 26, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
He should be sacked. Our team doesn't have a spine, Mcleish should have spotted that in 30mins on the training ground.

Off the point but trailing Seb Larsson shows he is clueless. He had to get somebody to hold the midfield together and he totally failed to do that.
We should (apart from Warnocks mental breakdown) have been able to manage with a defence of Dunne, Collins, Cueller, Young, Clark & an attack of Agbonlahor, Bent, Delf and Wein.

I can't blame him for N'zogbia, other than strangely not picking him when he had no choice (other than Heskey)

Our squad has weaknesses in many areas but sorting the meat of midfield out, I believe, would have seen us safely around 8th in the table.

Its madness, I think he could have actually gone to a championship club and picked somebody that would have done the job this season.
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Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 10:41:43 AM
I truly honestly did'nt think the football was going to be this bad under him. At times, there's just nothing there at all. It's as if he picks 11 players, tells them where they're playing and leaves them to it, then if it's not working, throws on Heskey.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 26, 2012, 10:46:55 AM
I can see why he keeps putting Heskey on... It's to shore up our brittle, barely existent midfield. Yesterday was a prime example. However... It doesn't work! Heskey isn't a defensive midfielder. He is a prime example of a player who's only attribute (holding the ball as a forward and drawing away defenders) has left him. If he was a racehorse he would be out of the dog food factory by now and in tins in someone's kitchen cupboard.
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Post by: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
The performances are the main point,it is bad enough not getting results but the home performances in particular are dire,the team is dull and has no spirit,there are no signs of it changing either.
Why should the club waste more money on McLeish signings that will only lead to the same outcome. 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 26, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
The longer lerner takes to get rid , the more harm it is going to do . If he keeps the clown for another 12 mths , god help us all ,  it will take years to sort the mess out .  I just cant stomach AMC getting the summer to spend money here and relegate us next season.
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Post by: ez on February 26, 2012, 11:00:49 AM
We have become a side that doesn't take the game to the opposition unless we are losing. Its not becoming of the club and it isn't working but i think its the only tactic McLeish has got.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 26, 2012, 11:03:30 AM
AMC will be having a champagne breakfast this morning .

His wife will say ' why the crystal darling'

'Didnt you see wifey , I got a 0-0 yesterday , time to celebrate'
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Post by: Rico on February 26, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Personally I would get rid of now! Just to lift the gloom around Villa Park. A caretaker manager surely couldn't do any worse. Even if we stay up, which I think we will by the skin of our teeth, then keeping Mcleish in charge would be a disaster from a financial point of view. Attendances have dropped significantly this season. I dread to think what they will be like next season with him in charge. Lack of revenue equals lack of spending on transfers which in the long run equals relegation. Got to go for the long term health of the club!
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Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2012, 11:10:41 AM
Yesterday shocked me on a number of levels. As a Villa-watcher and fan for over 45 years I’ve  seen some shite but I am beginning to believe that this is the worst season in memory (although O’Dreary would still marginally be a close second behind McNeill, with McLeish - 3rd position – coming up fast on the rails).

So, why “shocked”? –
1)   When I saw the team sheet I was amazed at such an offensive line-up; not per se but because of the lightweight central MF of GG and BB. I’ve always worked on the basis that if a defence is struggling (as ours has been), the CMF has to be as tight as a drum; yesterday’s did not look that way at the outset. No criticism of GG and BB – they are just not ready to operate as the sole CMF.
2)   When it came to substitutions, replacing Albie was the right thing to do: the obvious replacement being Herd, to stem the flow of Wigan moves through the CMF. Bringing Emule on was mind-blowingly wrong for so many reasons.
3)   The vitriol in the crowd for McL surprised and shocked me: his single move to bring on Emule seemed to unleash a torrent of pent-up frustration and antagonism – the dam of dislike has now been broken and he cannot survive at Villa for long.
4)   The body-language of McL and his muppet-mate, Grant, says it all: they seem to wave their arms a lot, shout lots of apparent tactical instructions to the players and … nothing changes. Which says they’ve either lost the players’ confidence or they are just spouting shite; or both.

I hope that RL has some connection into the way supporters are now feeling about things – it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better and I hope he is now planning for a different future than the one we can see unravelling before us.
And for those who still think we’re not going down, it ain’t over yet despite the best efforts of the “Lancashire Three” to get relegated.

Finally, last December I wrote the piece here - http://footballspeak.com/post/2011/12/06/Are-you-City-in-disguise.aspx (http://footballspeak.com/post/2011/12/06/Are-you-City-in-disguise.aspx) - which highlighted the bind that RL had got himself into. The comments are equally as applicable now, nearly 3 months on: there’s no blinding insight in the article; just what has been obvious to many people here for a long time.

The message is: McL is a nice guy who’s out of his depth in the EPL.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 11:14:25 AM
Great post Effdee. Well written and a good summation of how things stand.
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Post by: ez on February 26, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: jonc73 on February 26, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
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there is no way on earth they're going to sack him, I'm afraid.

Do you think they'd sack AM in any circumstance? I don't think he'll go unless he resigns-which is highly unlikely. If the owner cared what the fans thought  he wouldn't have appointed him
I think he could walk. He must know he's failing badly, that the job is too big for him, that he hasn't won any fans over and they don't want him, that he will get more of the same next season if he gets a rubbish start to the season.
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Post by: supertom on February 26, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
I get sense that a McLeish teamtalk consists of him ambling in the dressing room like Baldrick and saying "I have a cunning plan..."
I'm fully expecting Emile Heskey, at some juncture this season, to appear on the pitch with two pencils up his nose and his underpants on top of his fucking head. Who knows though, it might help him head the ball a bit closer to goal.
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Post by: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
He wont quit he has already said that, plus he will want his compensation pay out
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Post by: john e on February 26, 2012, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 12:14:29 AM
if he was sacked, i'd give it to Cowan's. the kids we're supposedly relying on for our bright future are his so if anyone can get something out of them it should be him. He knows the club inside out and what the fans expect  They'd also give him a bit more time than GH or Mcleish were given. Seems a better option than some of the names who'd we be likely to approach, and would take the job given the shit finances. We'd probably end up with Southgate this time


i'd be happy to go with this if it were an option,
 Cowans would certainly get the fans backing from the start, his work at youth level sugests he knows how he wants his teams to play by all acounts, it would be a bit of a risk but so would anyone, so i would be more than pleased to see sid in the hot seat
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Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: john e on February 26, 2012, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 12:14:29 AM
if he was sacked, i'd give it to Cowan's. the kids we're supposedly relying on for our bright future are his so if anyone can get something out of them it should be him. He knows the club inside out and what the fans expect  They'd also give him a bit more time than GH or Mcleish were given. Seems a better option than some of the names who'd we be likely to approach, and would take the job given the shit finances. We'd probably end up with Southgate this time


i'd be happy to go with this if it were an option,
 Cowans would certainly get the fans backing from the start, his work at youth level sugests he knows how he wants his teams to play by all acounts, it would be a bit of a risk but so would anyone, so i would be more than pleased to see sid in the hot seat

Whilst i'm not sure Sid is the answer, it is the kind of appointment that would unite the fans i suppose. I'm not sure he'd want it though.
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Post by: Bad English on February 26, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
I have trained my brain to conjure up a mental image of Audrey Fleurot whenever the name Alex McLeish is mentioned. It's better than crack.
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Post by: ChrissyPrice on February 26, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Bad English on February 26, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
I have trained my brain to conjure up a mental image of Audrey Fleuret whenever the name Alex McLeish is mentioned. It's better than crack.
I had to google this. Audrey Fleuret gives a load of images of people fencing while Audrey Fleurot shows an attractive ginger haired lady who would make a rather more pleasant mental image than Alex McLeish. Each to their own however.
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
Latest from the McLeish out site:


Time to Boycott #avfc
FEBRUARY 25, 2012
After yet another pathetic result for McLeish’s Villa, we have to ask how much worse can it get?

Aster watching that today the answer is a lot worse. If Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner have any clue about the game they will dismiss McLeish immediatly. But we all know that wont happen.

So we urge all fans of Aston Villa to boycott the Fulham game, hit them in the pocket.

They have NO respect for you, they treated us like shit on their shoe when they appointed McLeish and keeping him in a job now is just taking the mick.

We deserve to go down if he remains on charge.

You want him out? Then do something about it
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Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 12:11:52 PM
They really are very stupid.
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 12:11:52 PM
They really are very stupid.

Correct
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Post by: Rico on February 26, 2012, 12:16:21 PM
Who is stupid? The fans? Or the board for appointing the least popular Manager in Living nemory?
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Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 12:18:20 PM
Quote from: Rico on February 26, 2012, 12:16:21 PM
Who is stupid? The fans? Or the board for appointing the least popular Manager in Living nemory?

Fans telling other fans not to get behind their team.
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Post by: Rico on February 26, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
I guess it's each to their own. The decision to appoint Mcleish was the most damaging in living memory and some fans feel that the only way of telling the club of their disatisfaction is to protest. It is after all a free country.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 26, 2012, 12:09:01 PM
Latest from the McLeish out site:


Time to Boycott #avfc
FEBRUARY 25, 2012
After yet another pathetic result for McLeish’s Villa, we have to ask how much worse can it get?

Aster watching that today the answer is a lot worse. If Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner have any clue about the game they will dismiss McLeish immediatly. But we all know that wont happen.

So we urge all fans of Aston Villa to boycott the Fulham game, hit them in the pocket.

They have NO respect for you, they treated us like shit on their shoe when they appointed McLeish and keeping him in a job now is just taking the mick.

We deserve to go down if he remains on charge.

You want him out? Then do something about it


Boycott the Villa? What a bunch of wankers.
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 26, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Kevin Mac and Sid would give the fans and I believe the players a lift for the run in. McLeish is suffocating us.

Boycotting is a ridiculous idea and won't help.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 26, 2012, 12:24:42 PM
The crowds are just going to get worse to be honest . People cant pay for that tripe .
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Post by: NeilH on February 26, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 26, 2012, 12:24:42 PM
The crowds are just going to get worse to be honest . People cant pay for that tripe .

There will always be enough to ensure that the club ticks over. In fact I would still argue that the views on here are not the views held by many of the seasonticket holders who don't subscribe to internet boards.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:30:11 PM
Cowans would be a manager by now if he ever had the ambition to be one. I love Sid but I don't think he's management material, and if he did get the job I think we'd be in an even bigger hole than we are now.
I'd stick with McLeish till the season ends. Can't see us being relegated. The bottom 4 teams are truly awful and it would take a miracle for two of them to overtake us.
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Post by: andyh on February 26, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
Not quite sure people who are saying they will boycott a game are to be deemed 'wankers'.
Surely its their perogative ? Because their opinion is different to yours, they are wankers ?

There are 39 people on here who don't want Mcleish sacked, I don't agree with them, but I don't think they are wankers.

I won't ever boycott a game, but I have some sympathy with those who are concerned enough to do so.

 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 26, 2012, 12:33:40 PM
I am now at the stage of almost screaming in frustration every time we play. At the moment there looks like there is no hope, this is two seasons in a row that at this stage we've been getting pulled towards the drop zone. The board haven't got a clue what they're doing, Mcleish is the wrong man and nothing on this earth is going to change that fact.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 26, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
Not quite sure people who are saying they will boycott a game are to be deemed 'wankers'.
Surely its their perogative ? Because their opinion is different to yours, they are wankers ?

There are 39 people on here who don't want Mcleish sacked, I don't agree with them, but I don't think they are wankers.

I won't ever boycott a game, but I have some sympathy with those who are concerned enough to do so.

 

Anyone calling for fans to turn their back on the club when it needs their support more than ever deserves all the stick they get.
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Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2012, 12:35:27 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 26, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/

Keown needs to fuck off the Chimp looking inbred and worry about his own team.

Superb.
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Post by: lovejoy on February 26, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
Tell me who we would bring in at this point of the season? Remember when we changed our manager in the summer with many options available added to the ease of getting someone in the close season.
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Post by: ozzjim on February 26, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 26, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
Not quite sure people who are saying they will boycott a game are to be deemed 'wankers'.
Surely its their perogative ? Because their opinion is different to yours, they are wankers ?

There are 39 people on here who don't want Mcleish sacked, I don't agree with them, but I don't think they are wankers.

I won't ever boycott a game, but I have some sympathy with those who are concerned enough to do so.

 

Anyone calling for fans to turn their back on the club when it needs their support more than ever deserves all the stick they get.

It is a catch 22 though. As the people running it are clearly not caring what the fans think, so the only way to get through to them is to boycott games/ chant about wanting the manager out. Simple truth is turning up and unreservedly supporting the side validates the way the club is going. I did not renew this season largely due to the managerial appointment. I want to be entertained and enjoy my 600 quid outlay. I knew there was little chance of that. The kids and family have used the money to go to play centres etc at the weekends, and it brings me a lot more enjoyment than watching Villa under McLeish. Nothing is black and white, and neither side is right or wrong, as both are essentially wanting what is best for the club.
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Post by: ozzjim on February 26, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on February 26, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
Tell me who we would bring in at this point of the season? Remember when we changed our manager in the summer with many options available added to the ease of getting someone in the close season.


I would be sorely tempted to give Curbishley 18 months. Where we are at the moment he might be able to get some performances out of us and at least has a clue.

Alternatively, Zola and Willkins would be going back to more of the way Houllier wanted to play, without the dire constraints they had at West Ham.

Either are better than McLeish.

Most good managers in the Championship would take it like a shot too.
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Post by: CJ on February 26, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
I think yesterday may be a turning point for McLeish. For the first time the away fans, who've been absolutely magnificent this season (and to my regret I stopped going to any away games last season for one reason or another) turned on him wholeheartedly for the first time.  He's admitted it wasn't 'water off a duck's back' and I think this may sting him into a reaction. What that reaction is remains to be seen but I think he'll be more nervous of serving up any more dire performances.  If he's capable of that of course
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Post by: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:51:20 PM
I've stuck up for McLeish since the start of the year because I felt we started to play some decent stuff and had some unlucky results, but the last two games have been truly awful. He set the team up to get 0-0 draws. That is criminal down the Villa. I want him out, but at the end of the season, not now. I think it would be suicide to sack a manager this late into a season. I wouldn't trust Lerner to employ a decent manager anyway.
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Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2012, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 26, 2012, 12:32:43 PM
Not quite sure people who are saying they will boycott a game are to be deemed 'wankers'.
Surely its their perogative ? Because their opinion is different to yours, they are wankers ?

There are 39 people on here who don't want Mcleish sacked, I don't agree with them, but I don't think they are wankers.

I won't ever boycott a game, but I have some sympathy with those who are concerned enough to do so.

 

Anyone calling for fans to turn their back on the club when it needs their support more than ever deserves all the stick they get.
I do have some sympathy with the view that if we can amass enough points for safety, then boycotting the remaining games might have some impact where other tactics would not...
... but it gives me no pleasure saying that.
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Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2012, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: CJ on February 26, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
I think yesterday may be a turning point for McLeish. For the first time the away fans, who've been absolutely magnificent this season (and to my regret I stopped going to any away games last season for one reason or another) turned on him wholeheartedly for the first time.  He's admitted it wasn't 'water off a duck's back' and I think this may sting him into a reaction. What that reaction is remains to be seen but I think he'll be more nervous of serving up any more dire performances.  If he's capable of that of course
Yesterday was a turning point - see my post on page 69 (I think), where I made the very same comment.
My worry with a reaction from McL is it may be interpreted by the players as a sign of indecision / cluelessness / pandering - players who, I think, are already not sure what the manager expects of them or at least does not buy into his tactics. Taking yesterday as an example, when he and Grant were shouting and gesticulating at various players, there were looks of confusion given in return.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 26, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
How can one hundred million buy such brittle and rotten foundations? The scale of collapse since O'Neill vindictively left the club is unreal. Not even an English middle order collapse is comparable. We're left hoping we stay up for a second year in a row. The monumental lack of thought in dithering last September and then appointing Houllier, spending five million to get rid, only to be followed up by spending Christ knows what on getting Mcliesh here, defies any sort of logic.

Couple that with the awful negative and fearful football that has produced just six wins, not one at home since November and it leads me to the conclusion that three owner, board and manager are an appalling disgrace.

We'll stay up and comfortably too, but nothing will change and the squad will get smaller and weaker until it becomes a real effort staying in the league.

With the exception of the last paragraph, which I am not so convinced on, my view exactly.
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Post by: Legion on February 26, 2012, 01:16:42 PM
We'll stay up but it won't be comfortably.
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Post by: Bad English on February 26, 2012, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: ChrissyPrice on February 26, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Bad English on February 26, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
I have trained my brain to conjure up a mental image of Audrey Fleuret whenever the name Alex McLeish is mentioned. It's better than crack.
I had to google this. Audrey Fleuret gives a load of images of people fencing while Audrey Fleurot shows an attractive ginger haired lady who would make a rather more pleasant mental image than Alex McLeish. Each to their own however.
Edited. Ta!
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
The ginger lawyer in (the superb) Spiral?

She lovely.
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Post by: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Have a horrid feeling that the club will try and make a celebration of the fact we won't get relegated at the end of the season, to try and draw fans into a warped feel good factor.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 01:16:42 PM
We'll stay up but it won't be comfortably.

I was worried this time last year but nothing like I am this season. What's particularly disturbing this year is the lack of a plan, any sense that a new broom is sweeping through the club and the fact that we are beginning to get injuries (while having a weaker squad than last season). It's not going to be a nice end to the season.
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Post by: Lee on February 26, 2012, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 26, 2012, 10:28:04 AM
How can one hundred million buy such brittle and rotten foundations? The scale of collapse since O'Neill vindictively left the club is unreal. Not even an English middle order collapse is comparable. We're left hoping we stay up for a second year in a row. The monumental lack of thought in dithering last September and then appointing Houllier, spending five million to get rid, only to be followed up by spending Christ knows what on getting Mcliesh here, defies any sort of logic.

Couple that with the awful negative and fearful football that has produced just six wins, not one at home since November and it leads me to the conclusion that three owner, board and manager are an appalling disgrace.

We'll stay up and comfortably too, but nothing will change and the squad will get smaller and weaker until it becomes a real effort staying in the league.

With the exception of the last paragraph, which I am not so convinced on, my view exactly.


And mine too. I've lost total faith in the Gang of Four (minus Krulak). There was a thread a few weeks ago, bemoaning the tough Summer that we have upcoming. The last few weeks performances have have made this rise exponentially.

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Have a horrid feeling that the club will try and make a celebration of the fact we won't get relegated at the end of the season, to try and draw fans into a warped feel good factor.

Free commemorative scarves.
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Post by: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Have a horrid feeling that the club will try and make a celebration of the fact we won't get relegated at the end of the season, to try and draw fans into a warped feel good factor.

Free commemorative scarves.

They should start playing those funereal bells again.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 01:22:03 PM
Have a horrid feeling that the club will try and make a celebration of the fact we won't get relegated at the end of the season, to try and draw fans into a warped feel good factor.

Free commemorative scarves.

They wouldn't would they?
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Post by: tarzansbrother on February 26, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
Ignoring another turgid draw against Backburn next week, I believe the Fulham home game will decide his fate. Can anyone confirm that by losing to Fulham will result in our poorest run of home results since 1927? If true what a truly terrible stat.
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Post by: Bad English on February 26, 2012, 01:29:18 PM
Yes. Quelle garce ! Just started series 3 thanks to my, erm, alternative content supplier. Forgotten about the Villa game...
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Post by: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on February 26, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
Ignoring another turgid draw against Backburn next week, I believe the Fulham home game will decide his fate. Can anyone confirm that by losing to Fulham will result in our poorest run of home results since 1927? If true what a truly terrible stat.

It's terrible enough as it is.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 26, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on February 26, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
Tell me who we would bring in at this point of the season? Remember when we changed our manager in the summer with many options available added to the ease of getting someone in the close season.


I would be sorely tempted to give Curbishley 18 months. Where we are at the moment he might be able to get some performances out of us and at least has a clue.

Alternatively, Zola and Willkins would be going back to more of the way Houllier wanted to play, without the dire constraints they had at West Ham.

Either are better than McLeish.

Most good managers in the Championship would take it like a shot too.

See this is what i don't get. Say we give the job to Curbishley (who to my mind hasn't a better record than Mcleish and far worse than GH), then come the summer he'll realise we need 5 or 6 players in the first team alone, let alone the squad, and he'll have no money. The only option will be to cash in on the likes of Bent, and once Lerner has taken his third or half of the proceeds, he'll have 15m max to get a new striker plus all the other players we need. Can't be done and as sure as night follows day, we'll be here this time next year discussing who to replace him with.

I mean is there some sort of unspoken assumption that a new guy will get money, because i think you're kidding youselves.
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Post by: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.

In fact, McLeish isn't underperforming: he is doing about what we could expect looking at his record. Previously he has done pretty well under benign conditions (his penultimate season at Birmingham, eg), but also been rather shite and unable to stop the rot when things haven't been going his way (eg, his last season at Birmingham).

As being mentioned several times, the players, the fans are turning on him, and backed into a corner he reverts to type, his natural instinct which is to play for a scoreless draw (and as a bonus, hope that we, somehow, by a miracle, score). He is doing as we should expect under unfavourable conditions.
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Post by: Stu on February 26, 2012, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/

He can mind his own business, the pug ugly gimp.
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Post by: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.


I think out of those two, Villa fans would happily take neither. I wouldn't have minded if Villa had scoured Europe and targeted an up and coming manager rather than the one they did. At least Doug used to have a social network in football and always had someone lined up when a manager departed. It's obvious that the hierarchy at Villa now have no footballing network at all.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on February 26, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.


I think out of those two, Villa fans would happily take neither. I wouldn't have minded if Villa had scoured Europe and targeted an up and coming manager rather than the one they did. At least Doug used to have a social network in football and always had someone lined up when a manager departed. It's obvious that the hierarchy at Villa now have no footballing network at all.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.


no money? I can't imagine Hughes would have agreed to take the job with the brief AM was given
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Post by: Boz on February 26, 2012, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 26, 2012, 12:30:11 PM
Cowans would be a manager by now if he ever had the ambition to be one. I love Sid but I don't think he's management material, and if he did get the job I think we'd be in an even bigger hole than we are now.
I'd stick with McLeish till the season ends. Can't see us being relegated. The bottom 4 teams are truly awful and it would take a miracle for two of them to overtake us.

Make that the bottom 5, we are truly awful at present with the McLeish way of playing.  >:(
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Post by: Legion on February 26, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Surely you mean the bottom 6 then, as we are currently 15th?
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Post by: Boz on February 26, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.


I think out of those two, Villa fans would happily take neither. I wouldn't have minded if Villa had scoured Europe and targeted an up and coming manager rather than the one they did. At least Doug used to have a social network in football and always had someone lined up when a manager departed. It's obvious that the hierarchy at Villa now have no footballing network at all.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.

I know it's all opinions, but I wouldn't want Hughes either, along with Curbishley or dare I whisper, old Potato Face .

None of these are known for playing the football we'd like to see at B6.

In the position we're in we are unlikely to attract anyone other than an up and coming manager such as Poyet.
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Post by: Boz on February 26, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Surely you mean the bottom 6 then, as we are currently 15th?

True, but I am anticipating in two more games we could be in the bottom 5.
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Post by: paul_e on February 26, 2012, 02:39:56 PM
As I said earlier in the thread, what we really need to do i decide on the direction of the club and employ someone at board level (eith er a new director of football role or to replace Faulkner) whose responsibility it is to ensure that direction is consistent at all levels in the club and that the players and coaches all fit that model.  This process needs to start now so they can start looking at how we're setup on a match day, how we train, etc and then as soon as the season finishes they can start making changes.

Get this right and the ongoing success of the club stops being reliant on the individuals and becomes based on the system, whenever someone leaves you replace based on that club vision, either by promoting within or bringing in someone with proven success as using the style you're implementing.  Early on this might be expensive if you want more than treading water for a few seasons but once the mentality and training techniques are consistent bring players through from youth to reserves to first team becomes a much simpler process and you start to get to a point where the squad naturally refreshes itself.
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Post by: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 26, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 02:33:20 PM
Surely you mean the bottom 6 then, as we are currently 15th?

True, but I am anticipating in two more games we could be in the bottom 5.

We won't. There's a seven point gap between ourselves and Wolves. Anyway, at the very least we should aim to maintain the space between ourselves and the bottom five.
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Post by: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 26, 2012, 02:37:54 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.


I think out of those two, Villa fans would happily take neither. I wouldn't have minded if Villa had scoured Europe and targeted an up and coming manager rather than the one they did. At least Doug used to have a social network in football and always had someone lined up when a manager departed. It's obvious that the hierarchy at Villa now have no footballing network at all.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.

I know it's all opinions, but I wouldn't want Hughes either, along with Curbishley or dare I whisper, old Potato Face .

None of these are known for playing the football we'd like to see at B6.

In the position we're in we are unlikely to attract anyone other than an up and coming manager such as Poyet.

True, but at the time Hughes was the more attractive option and available, but we went for who we did. Why?
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Post by: Ads on February 26, 2012, 02:50:39 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on February 26, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
Kevin Mac and Sid would give the fans and I believe the players a lift for the run in. McLeish is suffocating us.

Boycotting is a ridiculous idea and won't help.

All we need is two wins and a couple of draws. I think they could give us that short term bounce to secure safety straight away. Then we'd have longer to prepare for the summer.

As it stands West Brom and Stoke well finish above us. Fucking sweet Jesus.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
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Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
No need for this.
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Post by: Ads on February 26, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
That said, we'll go and win the next two games as the best centre forward at the club will lead the line.
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Post by: villa for life on February 26, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
There's a real danger of  making a bad situation even worse. If the younger impressionable players get influenced by what they read on the net etc, they might start to follow the "herd mentality", which will affect their performances.

There is not going to be any change in management for the remainder of the season, just as there wasn't last season. No matter how angry people are feeling, hurling insults isn't helpful and will only increase the chances of things going wrong.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 26, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
No need for this.

Sorry - I apologise

just shoot the c*nt and have it over and done with, no need to drag it out
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 26, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
No need for this.

Sorry - I apologise

just shoot the c*nt and have it over and done with, no need to drag it out

Woody, that is still way out of order.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 03:26:04 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 26, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
No need for this.

Sorry - I apologise

just shoot the c*nt and have it over and done with, no need to drag it out

Can we have a bit less of that, please? Although, I'll admit, your revision did make me chuckle, in a slightly guilty way.

There's no need for it, really, though, so best avoid it.
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Post by: PeterWithe on February 26, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
I really am not too concerned that we will be relegated, I just cant see it. With that in mind 'd sack him now, although to be fair there has never been a point when I wouldn't have sacked him, and put in McDonald to the end of the season to see what he can do whilst seeking out alternatives who haven't got a CV that screams 'unsuitable'.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:30:50 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 26, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 26, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:00:11 PM
I said before that I wanted him shot - sacking was too good

After playing the mighty Wigan I have changed my mind

I want him beaten with heavy blunt instruments until he crawls back to Stan Andrews

He is just a useless tw@ that should not be allowed in B6

Him and Billy McNeil have too much in common for my liking - fook him off now, it may not be to late
No need for this.

Sorry - I apologise

just shoot the c*nt and have it over and done with, no need to drag it out

Woody, that is still way out of order.
OK - If I can`t have him shot or beaten with heavy blunt instruments, what can I have?
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Post by: PeterWithe on February 26, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
How about putting him a room with a bottle of whiskey, a Smith & Wesson and an ever looping tape of yesterdays game?

I know what Id do.
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
You can kidnap him and drive him to some remote place and leave him there without a compass.  He won't have a clue which direction to go in,just like his football tactics.
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Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 26, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
You can kidnap him and drive him to some remote place and leave him there without a compass.  He won't have a clue which direction to go in,just like his football tactics.
I thought you said for a minute drive him to a remote place and leave him with Compass which is far worse than beating him with a blunt instrument.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
all very admirable ideas lads
but where is the suffering - there`s no suffering unlike what we are enduring week in week out

I want him suffering
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Post by: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on February 26, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
I really am not too concerned that we will be relegated, I just cant see it. With that in mind 'd sack him now, although to be fair there has never been a point when I wouldn't have sacked him, and put in McDonald to the end of the season to see what he can do whilst seeking out alternatives who haven't got a CV that screams 'unsuitable'.

I, too, cannot see us getting relegated - this season. What may be happening, is that people are growing tired of the quality of football (and the ever-diminishing hope of it improving) and justifies their frustration and anger by overstating the possibility of relegation. We're 15th in the league, 8 points above the drop - and 14th in the form table (based on the last 8 matches). We're heading towards being the worst of the rest (ie. those who cannot hope for Europe or need to fear relegation), not towards the drop.
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Post by: Stu on February 26, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
all very admirable ideas lads
but where is the suffering - there`s no suffering unlike what we are enduring week in week out

I want him suffering

Make him pay £4,000 every week to watch paint dry for an hour and a half.
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Post by: Legion on February 26, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
He has to watch us aswell.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 26, 2012, 03:46:14 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
all very admirable ideas lads
but where is the suffering - there`s no suffering unlike what we are enduring week in week out

I want him suffering

Fly him out to Barcelona, get him the best season ticket seat at the Nou Camp. All that intricate passing, attacking football, skillful footballers and so on will be anathema to him. He'll fucking hate it. 'That's not the way you are supposed to play football!' he'll complain. 'Where is the defensive striker who falls over all the time? Where are the fullbacks who nearly cripple opponents and cannot defend?' he'll ask.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
He has to watch us aswell.

yes - BUT he likes what he`s watching - he probably thinks its fooking Brazil knowing him?
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 04:08:48 PM
Quote from: Ian J on February 26, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 26, 2012, 03:35:36 PM
You can kidnap him and drive him to some remote place and leave him there without a compass.  He won't have a clue which direction to go in,just like his football tactics.
I thought you said for a minute drive him to a remote place and leave him with Compass which is far worse than beating him with a blunt instrument.

Damn, why didn't I think of that.
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
all very admirable ideas lads
but where is the suffering - there`s no suffering unlike what we are enduring week in week out

I want him suffering

He'll suffer at Ewood if he tries the same trick as yesterday.
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Post by: villajk on February 26, 2012, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:54:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
He has to watch us aswell.

yes - BUT he likes what he`s watching - he probably thinks its fooking Brazil knowing him?

Good point.  We need a cunning plan.  Where's Baldrick when you need him?
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Post by: Doorbell on February 26, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
all very admirable ideas lads
but where is the suffering - there`s no suffering unlike what we are enduring week in week out

I want him suffering

Just make him watch the villa whilst he's sober, the post alcoholic fear and loathing will take care of the rest (I'm assuming he's had a dram too many of whiskey before each match...it's the only explanation I can think of).
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 26, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 26, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Keown thinks the villa fans need to lower their expectations: http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/02/26/martin-keown-says-aston-villa-fans-need-a-reality-check-66331-30407347/

Did you know Keown is Gareth Bale's dad? That's what happens when you have a one night stand with Zira.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 26, 2012, 05:00:53 PM
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Post by: LamBeast on February 26, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Nirog72 on February 26, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
There's lowering expectations, there's having a reality check and then there is settling for complete shit. We may need to do more of the first two but we don't deserve the third.

Football is a business and they sell us a product every week. If Aston Villa was a product (without the emotional ties we all have) how many of us would buy it any more? I don't think the board need to engage fans about why we are unhappy, although it may help, because it's bloody obvious. BUT, even if the board don't give a shit about fans, the club, performance levels, whether the team are a unit or divided etc, surely they care about running a business and having regular income? The silence from the top is staggering.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 26, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on February 26, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
There's lowering expectations, there's having a reality check and then there is settling for complete shit. We may need to do more of the first two but we don't deserve the third.

Football is a business and they sell us a product every week. If Aston Villa was a product (without the emotional ties we all have) how many of us would buy it any more? I don't think the board need to engage fans about why we are unhappy, although it may help, because it's bloody obvious. BUT, even if the board don't give a shit about fans, the club, performance levels, whether the team are a unit or divided etc, surely they care about running a business and having regular income? The silence from the top is staggering.
This board don`t give two monkies about the average fan - its all about corporate days and selling boxes because that`s where the money is!
For all of Doug`s faults - sorry Sir Doug - and by Christ their was many, I genuinely believe he listened to the fans
AM would have had the flick by now - assuming he got within sight of VP in the first place
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 26, 2012, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Moorski on February 26, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
He wont quit he has already said that, plus he will want his compensation pay out

Thats the worst part for me, being fucking clueless and being paid to go, see how far that would get me at work? I'd be out the door before I could blink
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Post by: Californian Villain on February 26, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.


I think out of those two, Villa fans would happily take neither. I wouldn't have minded if Villa had scoured Europe and targeted an up and coming manager rather than the one they did. At least Doug used to have a social network in football and always had someone lined up when a manager departed. It's obvious that the hierarchy at Villa now have no footballing network at all.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.

We did. He wanted a "big four" release clause.....and Villa told him to forget it.
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Post by: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 26, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
Can you honestly see the morons at our club having the foresight to line somebody up?
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Post by: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:24:41 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 26, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
Can you honestly see the morons at our club having the foresight to line somebody up?


No. Not a chance.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 26, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
Can you honestly see the morons at our club having the foresight to line somebody up?

Yes, it would probably still be that Goliath of management, Martinez, especially if he finally gets them relegated.
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Post by: GarTomas on February 26, 2012, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 26, 2012, 10:41:43 AM
I truly honestly did'nt think the football was going to be this bad under him. At times, there's just nothing there at all. It's as if he picks 11 players, tells them where they're playing and leaves them to it, then if it's not working, throws on Heskey.

Heskey = Plan B?  Or Plan A?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 26, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 26, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
Can you honestly see the morons at our club having the foresight to line somebody up?

Yes, it would probably still be that Goliath of management, Martinez, especially if he finally gets them relegated.

To be frank, I'd be jumping for joy at Martinez at the moment. I'm just sick to death of the appalling football we play.
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Post by: GarTomas on February 26, 2012, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on February 26, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
There's lowering expectations, there's having a reality check and then there is settling for complete shit. We may need to do more of the first two but we don't deserve the third.

Football is a business and they sell us a product every week. If Aston Villa was a product (without the emotional ties we all have) how many of us would buy it any more? I don't think the board need to engage fans about why we are unhappy, although it may help, because it's bloody obvious. BUT, even if the board don't give a shit about fans, the club, performance levels, whether the team are a unit or divided etc, surely they care about running a business and having regular income? The silence from the top is staggering.

It's clear that Randy is reigning the purse strings in and I can accept that.  Money was found in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia.  Bearing in mind the relative cost of tickets to other clubs that's understandable.

The club are clearing trying to build on the players coming through the academy - Gardner, Bannan, Albrighton, Clark etc etc.  As a stance I'm happy with this as well.  But then the appointment of a manager with no track record of blooding youngsters to give them experience is baffling.  I genuinely think some of the players coming through can make the grade in the top flight as top 8 players.  How they are currently being employed is laughable.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 26, 2012, 07:24:14 PM
I agree with that Gar.  Nothing wrong with the plan in principle but plenty wrong with the way it's being implemented.  I can understand AM's cautious approach to better teams but against Wigan it isn't on. 
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Post by: eamonn on February 26, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 26, 2012, 05:00:53 PM



Fucking hilarious. I implore everyone to watch it. Probably best not in front of your kids though.
And it has to be said that ''Emile'' looks more like Darren.
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Post by: Legion on February 26, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
The others are funnier.
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Post by: garyfouroaks on February 26, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on February 26, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on February 26, 2012, 02:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on February 26, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
I'm starting to feel that AM is being portrayed as a worse manager than he actually is; Curbishley is just as limited and uninspirational as Big 'Eck.

I still can't see why we didn't approach Mark Hughes.

We did. He wanted a "big four" release clause.....and Villa told him to forget it.

Next season the big four that Hughsie will have to worry about ae likley to be Wolves, Ipswich, Leeds and Cardiff
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Post by: Villanation on February 26, 2012, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 26, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 26, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: DB on February 26, 2012, 06:21:00 PM
Let's be sure if we do get rid (it won't happen though) we have somene lined up and not end up with the debacle of what followed when the last 2 managers departed.
Can you honestly see the morons at our club having the foresight to line somebody up?

Yes, it would probably still be that Goliath of management, Martinez, especially if he finally gets them relegated.

Who on earth would offer the position of manager to a bloke that has done nothing but flirt with relegation season after the season, still plays crap football with little idea of what is required to build a decent team............Hang on a minute.
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Post by: steffo on February 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I didn't get a season ticket this year after 7 years. McLeish was the sole factor. My son (14) said he can't watch his football. He refused to let me buy season tickets when he worked out every season ticket holder would be paying 80 quid to them as compensation.

The money saved this year is going to pay to watch Barcleona next Saturday at the Nou Camp.

Lionel Heskey or Lionel Messi ?
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Post by: john e on February 26, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: steffo on February 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I didn't get a season ticket this year after 7 years. McLeish was the sole factor. My son (14) said he can't watch his football. He refused to let me buy season tickets when he worked out every season ticket holder would be paying 80 quid to
Quote from: steffo on February 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I didn't get a season ticket this year after 7 years. McLeish was the sole factor. My son (14) said he can't watch his football. He refused to let me buy season tickets when he worked out every season ticket holder would be paying 80 quid to them as compensation.

The money saved this year is going to pay to watch Barcleona next Saturday at the Nou Camp.

Lionel Heskey or Lionel Messi ?
The money saved this year is going to pay to watch Barcleona next Saturday at the Nou Camp.

Lionel Heskey or Lionel Messi ?



Heskey because he's Villa and Messi's not.

I do know what you mean though
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Post by: villadelph on February 26, 2012, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: john e on February 26, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: steffo on February 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I didn't get a season ticket this year after 7 years. McLeish was the sole factor. My son (14) said he can't watch his football. He refused to let me buy season tickets when he worked out every season ticket holder would be paying 80 quid to
Quote from: steffo on February 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
I didn't get a season ticket this year after 7 years. McLeish was the sole factor. My son (14) said he can't watch his football. He refused to let me buy season tickets when he worked out every season ticket holder would be paying 80 quid to them as compensation.

The money saved this year is going to pay to watch Barcleona next Saturday at the Nou Camp.

Lionel Heskey or Lionel Messi ?
The money saved this year is going to pay to watch Barcleona next Saturday at the Nou Camp.

Lionel Heskey or Lionel Messi ?



Heskey because he's Villa and Messi's not.

I do know what you mean though


Messi, because football is meant to be entertainment not a chore.

gtfoAM
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Post by: Ads on February 26, 2012, 09:34:07 PM
Heskey as I couldn't give a monkeys about Barcelona and because football is not about entertainment. Cinema is and sometimes football is too. Most of the time its about disappointment, failure and endless what ifs
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Post by: GarTomas on February 26, 2012, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 26, 2012, 07:27:24 PM
The others are funnier.

What's most funny about these I believe is they are posted by Blues fans and intended to wind Villa fans up.

Whereas we laugh because it's funny because it's true...
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Post by: steffo on February 26, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I disagree. Football is about entertainment. You go to see a show. And we sing about it. We need expectation and hope - what else is there?

Alex McLeish sucks the fun out football.

I live 9 miles from Villa Park and have been a regular from 1967 but I refuse to watch the drivel he serves up.



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Post by: Gareth on February 26, 2012, 10:30:14 PM
Gotta go for me, yesterday was an example of the ineptitude, the team selections completely contradict with the way they are set up to play....I cant see how that was anything but 6 at the back, the 'wingers' as they are laughably referred to do nothing but act as extra full backs....no wonder we then look up and find no outlets available.

AM has zero slack with the us, the abuse really kicked in directly after probably our best 5 mins of the game which worries me as we might need some crowd backing in the run in.

He is clearly allergic to genuine flair players, Keano was on the field for his marshalling skills, nothing else.  He needs to grow a pair on this run in and actually try to score goals - GO FOR IT!!! 

Bent getting injured 'may' end up being a blessing in disguise as IMHO he is a 2m striker playing the way AM wants him playing, he is crap in the air and his control is not good enough for him to spend 88 minutes with his back to goal....with no Bent you would hope that Gabby is uptop and he doesnt have to shoe horn him into the team.
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Post by: David_Nab on February 26, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
They had 3 in the middle against Barry and Gardner that along with a shocking pitch stopped us doing anything with the ball.Keane has done well but at times it seems we are set up with Keane and Bent  attacking and the rest with a priority to defend.

His treatment of Ireland and Nzogbia for me also shows him up as full of shit he clearly has an issue with ,Ireland he didn't buy and has a history so I can maybe forgive but N'zogbia has been around the league years and AMC has chased him with Blue's before us so he clearly knew what kind of player he was getting ..yet apparently has no fucking idea how to use him.

The football is horrible and I just don't see where wins are coming from ...last season it took us buying Bent to save us with that option of buying our way out of trouble they only option is to change the manager.
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Post by: villajk on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
From the OS


By Paul Brown

Alex McLeish has vowed to win over the fans and turn their jeers to cheers.

McLeish was criticised by the travelling claret and blue army in the second half at Wigan.

McLeish admitted it wasn't nice to be the subject of disapproval but promised to get the supporters onside as he aims to write a successful chapter in Villa's history.

The boss insisted it was a big challenge to face but one he's determined to succeed in.

He said: "I'm delighted to be here and I'm confident I can get the Villa fans cheering instead of jeering.

"To be fair to the Villa fans they've been fantastic on their away travels, so I can't start criticising them for one particular game.

"We have a huge challenge ahead of us. We've spoken with the players, we've said we've all got to be together and there's got to be a bit of a siege mentality.

"We've worked our socks off, we've got two young kids in that midfield, Stan's out, Gabby's just back after four weeks absence, Albrighton's just had the baby this week and we've had other players out for even longer.

"Chris Herd's come back after three or four months and he's just broken into the team this season.

"So there's got to be a wee bit of patience.

"I have a great challenge here - it's a tough one but I'm up for it.

"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League. But I am willing to take that challenge on. And I still believe we will prosper.

"I need the fans. I need those guys and the team needs them."

McLeish also hailed Gabby Agbonlahor for taking on the skipper's role in the absence of Stan Petrov.

The boss was considering experienced duo James Collins or Shay Given but opted for the star striker because of his claret and blue longevity.

He added: "I don't think you need to be too analytical about it, I could have given it to Shay or James, but it might have given me a headache with who to choose.

"So I thought I'd give it to the guy who is the longest serving experienced player like they do on the continent and Gabby was thrilled to get it. It was great.

"I didn't think he could play the whole game. I said you might have to pass the armband on during the game."



 
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Post by: N'ZMAV on February 27, 2012, 08:44:34 AM
I'm struggling to find any positives at all now.
Bent Injured.
Keabe gone.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 08:51:16 AM
Mcleish has lost the fans and it is all his own doing.
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Post by: caster troy on February 27, 2012, 09:02:42 AM
The only way McLeish will turn our 'jeers to cheers' is if he resigns.
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Post by: MarkM on February 27, 2012, 09:14:03 AM
"So there's got to be a wee bit of patience."

A WEE BIT OF PATIENCE!

Its February for gods sake, the season is drawing to a bloody close! How patient do they want us to be???????

We have had two seasons of 'Transition' with this season being the one of the most life sucking ones I can remember
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 09:16:35 AM
I think the patience from the fans has been remarkably good, but it's ended now. I don't think there's any way back and it is all his own fault for the approach he's taken. I personally can't take anymore of this awful football.
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Post by: Concrete John on February 27, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Well, as one of the small minority that wouldn't pull the trigger right now, I suppose I should back my position up, so here goes:-

1.  We all seemed to agree with Houllier's position that there was a fair bit of dead wood/troublemakers at the club and it needed a clearout, yet he hasn't been given the backing by Randy to accomplish that. 
2.  League position wise we are lower than we should be, but not massively, so it terms of sheer results we're not as bad as some of the performances would lead us to believe.
3.  I'm not sure changing manager now gains us anything, as we'd have a shitty list of candidates to choose from.  That opinion being based on the fact I don't think we will go down.

If things haven't improved by the end of the season I'll probably jump on the 'get rid' bandwagon, but until then we gain nothing by acting now.  So until then it's better to get behind the team, and manager, for the good of the club. 
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Post by: Merv on February 27, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
Next few weeks will be interesting. This is the stage last season that we started to improve under GH; on the evidence of the last few games, we're beginning to unravel, so let's see how we perform over the next half-dozen matches.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
The thing is, he seems to be missing the point, in that a lot of us are most angry, not about what the players turn in in terms of performance, but the way he sends us out to play.

Take the Wigan game, for example. It was utter dross, but I am struggling to think of a player who didn't do what was asked of him.

They did what the manager told them to do. The problem is that, once again, the manager sent them out to play for a draw, only this time, it wasn't against a top team, it was against the bottom of the league team.

Houllier got slaughtered last year for his perceived defeatism in his attitude, but this year we've seen a decent number of actual performances (rather than manager talk) which showed some of the least ambitious football I can remember in 30 plus years of watching Villa.

McLeish has always been a defensive, cautious manager, this is what he does. If he's suggesting we need to be a bit patient because he's going to undergo some damascene conversion and turn into Pep Guardiola, then we might as well ditch the bloke now, because that is not going to happen.

His post match interviews seem to be getting less and less grounded in reality, too. The last two of them have been the most surreally detached from reality yet. It's hard to show patience when you have a manager who is so clearly on a different planet.

What, for example, does he think most fans think when we're playing at a side so utterly shite as Wigan, and we take off Albrighton and bring on Emile Fucking Heskey whilst N'Zogbia and Ireland (who have both fouind a bit of form lately) are left sitting on the bench?

What kind of patience is going to combat that negativity? What are we supposed to be patient about, exactly?

We now have to go forward without Robbie Keane and Darren Bent, and with Richard Dunne injured. Maybe McLeish will reflect that, had he not been so utterly negative so frequently while we had comparatively few injuries, we'd have a few more points on the board now, rather than go into a run-in with key players missing, morale rock bottom, and a support which seems to, en masse, have turned against him.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:38:22 AM
Quote
"To be fair to the Villa fans they've been fantastic on their away travels, so I can't start criticising them for one particular game

He's knocking the home support now!

Disgrace ;)
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Post by: robbo1874 on February 27, 2012, 10:43:17 AM
I'm not a fan of the results or the football being served up by mcleish, but it's too soon to pull the trigger, in my view. Don't think you should sack a manager mid- season unless your adrift at the bottom.

We won't go down, I really don't think we're that bad. We should see where we're at come the end of the season and then either back him, or sack him. At the moment I think he should go at the end of the season, but if we go on a bit of a run and pull of a decent finish,  say 10th or better, then he should get some cash to spend and another crack next season.

I wouldn't normally class 10th as a decent finish, but under the circumstances I thin k it probably would be this season.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:47:27 AM
If we lose to Blackburn then I think there will be an uproar, they will only be 5 points behind us, That is easily catcable
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:48:29 AM
They then have wolves and Bolton
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Post by: David_Nab on February 27, 2012, 10:56:46 AM
He sends his teams not to lose as if he is some master tacticean stopping the opposition , the problem is he has no skill in getting the team to attack.

I can literally recall one time Albrighton getting in a position to cross apart from taking a corner ..he was constantly tracking back.Thats the reason Ireland and Nzog have been dropped he doesn't think they work hard enough or track back which in Ireland's case I disgree he is very good as stealing the ball away.
In a game with 10 out field players relying on 2 players Keane and Bent to be the attacking threat is complete stupidity.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
The thing is, he seems to be missing the point, in that a lot of us are most angry, not about what the players turn in in terms of performance, but the way he sends us out to play.

Take the Wigan game, for example. It was utter dross, but I am struggling to think of a player who didn't do what was asked of him.

They did what the manager told them to do. The problem is that, once again, the manager sent them out to play for a draw, only this time, it wasn't against a top team, it was against the bottom of the league team.

Houllier got slaughtered last year for his perceived defeatism in his attitude, but this year we've seen a decent number of actual performances (rather than manager talk) which showed some of the least ambitious football I can remember in 30 plus years of watching Villa.

McLeish has always been a defensive, cautious manager, this is what he does. If he's suggesting we need to be a bit patient because he's going to undergo some damascene conversion and turn into Pep Guardiola, then we might as well ditch the bloke now, because that is not going to happen.

His post match interviews seem to be getting less and less grounded in reality, too. The last two of them have been the most surreally detached from reality yet. It's hard to show patience when you have a manager who is so clearly on a different planet.

What, for example, does he think most fans think when we're playing at a side so utterly shite as Wigan, and we take off Albrighton and bring on Emile Fucking Heskey whilst N'Zogbia and Ireland (who have both fouind a bit of form lately) are left sitting on the bench?

What kind of patience is going to combat that negativity? What are we supposed to be patient about, exactly?

We now have to go forward without Robbie Keane and Darren Bent, and with Richard Dunne injured. Maybe McLeish will reflect that, had he not been so utterly negative so frequently while we had comparatively few injuries, we'd have a few more points on the board now, rather than go into a run-in with key players missing, morale rock bottom, and a support which seems to, en masse, have turned against him.

Spot on Paulie.
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Post by: Merv on February 27, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 10:33:11 AM
The thing is, he seems to be missing the point, in that a lot of us are most angry, not about what the players turn in in terms of performance, but the way he sends us out to play.

It's convenient for him to miss that point though, and convenient also for those who think he should stay for the remainder of the season (and beyond) and not be judged until then. That's why I'm satisfied I've made my judgment now. Of course, McLeish's plan would be to get through to the summer, sign a few new players, hope we improve simply by bringing in some fresh legs. But what he'll do with those players, I don't know... who will be bring in that will make him change his mindset?
That's why I don't rate him. He's had a decent, full squad to select from for the majority of the season, but he misuses the players, he's working to a very odd strategy, and - as I've said a few times now (I'm boring myself), this manager does not 'get' football.

Now, he is genuinely without two or three key players and I can't see us improving. We'll limp through to the end of the season and get away with it; I'll be stunned if we actually go down. But moving on from there, taking us forward... I just can't see it happening under him.

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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 27, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Well, as one of the small minority that wouldn't pull the trigger right now, I suppose I should back my position up, so here goes:-

1.  We all seemed to agree with Houllier's position that there was a fair bit of dead wood/troublemakers at the club and it needed a clearout, yet he hasn't been given the backing by Randy to accomplish that. 
2.  League position wise we are lower than we should be, but not massively, so it terms of sheer results we're not as bad as some of the performances would lead us to believe.
3.  I'm not sure changing manager now gains us anything, as we'd have a shitty list of candidates to choose from.  That opinion being based on the fact I don't think we will go down.

If things haven't improved by the end of the season I'll probably jump on the 'get rid' bandwagon, but until then we gain nothing by acting now.  So until then it's better to get behind the team, and manager, for the good of the club. 
Well argued, John.

My view is that he will not get sacked - yet. If we continue to be as sterile as we have been, RL may uncharacteristically reach for the revolver and put McL out of his, and our, misery. In which case, he'd look to KMac and Sid to see us through to the summer close season. The question is where the tipping point is for RL.

The problem McL has is that he has injuries to key players, indifferent support from the players (I suspect) and appears to be indecisive, tactically naive and bereft of ideas. Add to that the fact that the fans have finally come out in defiance of him - Saturday's response to the first substitution was vociferous, animated and unrelenting - and only a win at Blackburn will stem the angst.

I'm glad I've got tickets for the game at Ewood: it is going to be a pivotal game in this season's turbulence, I think. Trouble is, I don't see us winning it ... which means more of the same as on this thread.

And, the anger being articulated at away games will come to VP - which will probably mean the team and management will become even more twitchy and less likely to get the results the club needs (a vicous circle of fans-anger - team loses - more fans-anger ...). So it comes back  to where RL's tolerance level is.
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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 11:27:09 AM
Sorry: a bit of a rambling previous post!
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 27, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: Fucking Eck on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM


"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League.''

Get out to fuck, Duracell bollocks.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 27, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: Fucking Eck on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM


"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League.''

Get out to fuck, Duracell bollocks.

Yep bye bye.
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Post by: Concrete John on February 27, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
The question is where the tipping point is for RL.

That's a very good point.

I think it's pretty much relegation or a very real threat of relegation.  In all fairness, with the bunch on players we have any manager getting us into that position would deserve the bullet anyway.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 11:40:36 AM
I would say that comparative to resources and quality of players available that Mcleish is doing the worst job of any manager in the league. I know Chelsea and Arsenal aren't doing great, but they are still up and around there.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 11:45:50 AM
I was prepared to give him a chance. That is no longer the case.
I can't accept such lack of endeavour and ambition. We should have gone to Wigan hungry for the points and we were insipid and lacklustre again. I've no doubt the players are as much to blame but the manager should be doing better with them.

So that's it now for me. Time to sever ties. Another costly error. We paid compensation for him and will have to pay up a lot more again to pay up his contract. That sticks in the craw.
There is a fundamental problem upstairs too. Something drastic has to happen soon. I have almost zero faith in the board. All Randy's vast credit with me is gone and it would take something unimaginably amazing to restore any of it.

Please, for the love of Optimus Prime, let there be some subtance to the takeover rumours, because just like it was in 05/06, Villa just fill me with a sense of dread and hopelessness now. That really shouldn't be the case with our resources.
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Post by: Stu on February 27, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Duracell Bollocks on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
"I need the fans. I need those guys and the team needs them."

The fans don't want you though Alex, that's the problem.

He could have helped himself by going for it against Wigan, but he didn't and had the team playing defensive against the worst team in the league. I think that performance was the last straw for many who backed the manager and wished him well. It certainly seems that way judging by the comments of previous McLeish backers on here anyway.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on February 27, 2012, 11:51:04 AM
I voted 'no' in the first poll mainly out of fairness to the man, and thinking that we ought to wait 'till the autumn for him to get rid of the slackers and bring in some of his own players.
Now I've voted yes. I didn't see any of the game on Sat and to be honest from what I've heard from some who were there I'm glad I didn't see it.
Away to the team with the worst home record in the PL and we play five across the midfield wtf is that all about? We should have gone there set up to beat them not hope for a draw.
I'm sorry but I just can't see things getting any better in the next twelve games. We're likely to lose to Blackburn, who have had some decent results lately and I can only see us getting a draw against Fulham.
Kevin Mac and Sid get ready to be told you have ten games to save us from relegation, because if the next two results go the way I think they will then I reckon AM will be gone.
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Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 27, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
The question is where the tipping point is for RL.

That's a very good point.

I think it's pretty much relegation or a very real threat of relegation.  In all fairness, with the bunch on players we have any manager getting us into that position would deserve the bullet anyway.

As Paulie and a few others have mentioned though, there is a very real possibility that if we go down the board will think they've already got a promotion expert at the helm. Job done!

However unattractive the job was last summer, multiply that by a factor of 10 if relegation bites.  The Villa job should never be unattractive, of course.  It takes a special level of fuckwittedry to clear the field so emphatically that McLeish, McLaren and Curbs are the only realistic/ gettable candidates.
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Post by: Stu on February 27, 2012, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 27, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
The question is where the tipping point is for RL.

That's a very good point.

I think it's pretty much relegation or a very real threat of relegation.  In all fairness, with the bunch on players we have any manager getting us into that position would deserve the bullet anyway.

As Paulie and a few others have mentioned though, there is a very real possibility that if we go down the board will think they've already got a promotion expert at the helm. Job done!

However unattractive the job was last summer, multiply that by a factor of 10 if relegation bites.  The Villa job should never be unattractive, of course.  It takes a special level of fuckwittedry to clear the field so emphatically that McLeish, McLaren and Curbs are the only realistic/ gettable candidates.

This is where the boards lack of experience shows. If they only want candidates with prem experience, then they're narrowing the field to such a degree as to make the selection process a farce. See last summer. They need someone on board who knows football, because they just do not have a clue.
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Post by: Simon Ward on February 27, 2012, 12:00:01 PM
I've resisted the temptation to vote or comment on this thread until now, thinking that I would give AM the benefit of the doubt and also believing that we probably wouldn't attract a managerial candidate with sufficient skill or experience if he left. But after due consideration and reviewing the performances over the season culminating in Saturdays abject failure to beat Wigan and dreading the upcoming match at Blackburn the time is now for Mr Lerner to act. AM must be relieved of his duties today! 
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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
I wonder - in the absence of the General - who from the club is reading all of this and able to make the right sort of representation to RL to articulate the depth of feeling (and the fact that all this is not just a reaction to Saturday's shambles)?
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Post by: VillaAlways on February 27, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
From the OS


By Paul Brown

Alex McLeish has vowed to win over the fans and turn their jeers to cheers.

McLeish was criticised by the travelling claret and blue army in the second half at Wigan.

McLeish admitted it wasn't nice to be the subject of disapproval but promised to get the supporters onside as he aims to write a successful chapter in Villa's history.

The boss insisted it was a big challenge to face but one he's determined to succeed in.

He said: "I'm delighted to be here and I'm confident I can get the Villa fans cheering instead of jeering.

"To be fair to the Villa fans they've been fantastic on their away travels, so I can't start criticising them for one particular game.

"We have a huge challenge ahead of us. We've spoken with the players, we've said we've all got to be together and there's got to be a bit of a siege mentality.

"We've worked our socks off, we've got two young kids in that midfield, Stan's out, Gabby's just back after four weeks absence, Albrighton's just had the baby this week and we've had other players out for even longer.

"Chris Herd's come back after three or four months and he's just broken into the team this season.

"So there's got to be a wee bit of patience.

"I have a great challenge here - it's a tough one but I'm up for it.

"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League. But I am willing to take that challenge on. And I still believe we will prosper.

"I need the fans. I need those guys and the team needs them."

McLeish also hailed Gabby Agbonlahor for taking on the skipper's role in the absence of Stan Petrov.

The boss was considering experienced duo James Collins or Shay Given but opted for the star striker because of his claret and blue longevity.

He added: "I don't think you need to be too analytical about it, I could have given it to Shay or James, but it might have given me a headache with who to choose.

"So I thought I'd give it to the guy who is the longest serving experienced player like they do on the continent and Gabby was thrilled to get it. It was great.

"I didn't think he could play the whole game. I said you might have to pass the armband on during the game."



 


In short he aint going anywhere.Get used to it
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Post by: Colhint on February 27, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Thing is, Under McLeish I cant ever see us playing the sort of football that gets you into the top 6, regardless of the players
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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
I wonder - in the absence of the General - who from the club is reading all of this and able to make the right sort of representation to RL to articulate the depth of feeling (and the fact that all this is not just a reaction to Saturday's shambles)?
Does Pelty have any leverage at all?
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Post by: DerHammer on February 27, 2012, 12:10:54 PM
Lose Lerner, sack AM, sack all first team bar Gabby & Given (not including the youngsters like Bannan, Albrighton etc..) & start afresh
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Post by: Legion on February 27, 2012, 12:11:09 PM
The marketing department, for starters.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 27, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Colhint on February 27, 2012, 12:07:58 PM
Thing is, Under McLeish I cant ever see us playing the sort of football that gets you into the top 6, regardless of the players
The longer his sterile football continues, the more our flair players will feel alienated.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:26:04 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 27, 2012, 12:11:09 PM
The marketing department, for starters.

Indeed. The official site propaganda is so vomit-inducingly bad that it makes me angry.
It's putting lipstick on a pig (a.k.a - Karren Bradyfying) and extremely patronising. I'm sick of seeing puns a 7 year old would roll his eyes at to cover up the latest mass bollock droppings. Shane Warne couldn't put a positive spin on things lately.

We're in a right state and we want to see some action. We couldn't give a flying fuck about chinese internet when our expensive team can't overcome the poorest home side in the league (after us probably) or worse still, even try to.
Stop fucking mugging us off. There are some idiots who support Villa but certainly not the majority.

Sorry about the rant. I know they have to write something but it really gets on my morks.
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Post by: ROBBO on February 27, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
 I'm not one who believes in protest marches and the like but i do believe that the only way Lerner will get rid of MCleish is when the supporters in unison act against the manager. This may be by entering the ground 15 minutes after kick off or leaving the ground early leaving a token supporter base.I despair at how quickly our club has fallen, when you send a team out week after week to try not to lose you build a side with no confidence, not only that players like to win too and if they can see they are being robbed of that chance then why bother. This again comes down to Faulkner in my eyes as the main culprit, he would have been the instigator of employing MCleish, he should go at the same time as MCleish.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.
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Post by: glasses on February 27, 2012, 12:33:36 PM
I think Eck thinks that the team he put out on Saturday was an attacking team. You could argue that he has a point. Bent, Keane, Gabby, Bannan, Albrighton and Gardner are all players that you would consider attacking players, individually. Like Paulie said though, it's his negative tactics that are stunting the attacking players in the team. The players seem to be told to hold their positions which means the formation is totally rigid. There was no movement when we had the ball on Saturday. No team cohesion

His tactics are awful, his team selections at times are baffling. Got to go for me, nice bloke or not, I couldnt care less. Mind you, I don't think he is solely to blame, the whole club seems to be rotten at the moment.

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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.

Yes, I would rather have some uselful bastards.
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Post by: NeilH on February 27, 2012, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:39:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.

Yes, I would rather have some uselful bastards.

They do know what they are doing, they have a very clear vision but I don't think there's enough real football within the club to ask proper questions about the wisdom of it. I think they're trying to apply real business rules to the business of football and the two just don't mix.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2012, 12:44:50 PM
I remember last season when I always use to watch Blose alot on Football First ( without knowing the score ) , the reason I could at least support the other team and get right behind that team , whoever it was .
After watching them about 6 times , I said to myself , this is bloody awful , they are horrible to watch , this isnt football , this is sitting in a dentist chair .  Ive got to pack this in , this is just wasting important time in my life where I could be doing more interesting things .
So I stopped watching them , the problem is Villa are now identical to that team , I cant stopped watching them as I love Villa , but its bloody torture.

We are the new Blose in style of football and Im not suprised.
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Post by: David_Nab on February 27, 2012, 12:48:44 PM
I recall when he took the job there was a meeting with some fans and AMC suggested that his tatics at Birmingham where due to less talented players than we have and with better players he could play better football ...

Well that has turned out to be utter bollox.He could be the manager of Man City and still play defensive ,dour gutless football.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 27, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: Mazrim link=topic=46130.msg1982951#msg1982951 date=1330343150[quote author=Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 11:45:50 AM

There is a fundamental problem upstairs too. Something drastic has to happen soon. I have almost zero faith in the board. All Randy's vast credit with me is gone and it would take something unimaginably amazing to restore any of it.

Please, for the love of Optimus Prime, let there be some subtance to the takeover rumours, because just like it was in 05/06, Villa just fill me with a sense of dread and hopelessness now. That really shouldn't be the case with our resources.

Please, for the love of Optimus Prime, let there be some subtance to the takeover rumours, because just like it was in 05/06, Villa just fill me with a sense of dread and hopelessness now. That really shouldn't be the case with our resources.
[/quote]

Yes. The wheel has come full circle and not in the sense that we had hoped in 2006. Instead of being back to the early eighties, we are as shambolic as we were circa 2005/06.
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Post by: andrew08 on February 27, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
I don't know what to think.
I was at the game on Saturday and the team he selected looked good. Then it was set up to play defensively I assume because Warnock and Hutton need to be protected/helped 'cos they are so shit. So we sacrifice the attacking attributes of both Gabby and Albrighton to protect those two. So I can understand why he would do that and he clearly has no trust in N'zogbia to play a disciplined role within this formation.

This then left Bannan and Gardner to play the attacking roles and link up with Keane and Bent. This only happened once when Keane played a stunning through ball to Bent who missed his only chance of the game.

Bannan and Gardner, other than giving 100% (which is the bare minimum), created nothing that I recall between them of note in an attacking sense, which begs the question; are they as good as we think they are? They will never get a better chance at this level to show what they can do as in theory Saturday was the easiest opposition they will get. In fairness to McLeish he put them in the box seats to show what they can do and they fluffed their lines a little bit imo. They had Keane and Bent in front of them all match and they never once picked them out.

It's easy to blame Mcleish though and I joined in with the chants on Saturday,it's hard not to but on reflection I think some of the team should take some responsibilty as well.

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Post by: Simba on February 27, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
I keep reading that we (you chaps) wanted to give him a chance. I did.

No more.

Gone. Not for us and yes, I want my Villa Back. Good chant.
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Post by: Monty on February 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Bannan and Gardner are two forward-thinking players who were shoe-horned, isolated and not backed up, either defensively or by movement. This I would put down, I'm afraid, to the manager. Brendan Rodgers has proved that you can train players into movement and passing, playing triangles and fearlessly playing out from the back. I don't expect us to be as good as Swansea at that exact style as Rodgers has had longer and more of his own signings in that team, but if there were any form of training like that you would see some dividends on the pitch and some hints in the tactics, like last . As it happens, there is zero evidence of it whatsoever.
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Post by: Simba on February 27, 2012, 01:30:46 PM
Monty. True. Well put.
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Post by: MarkM on February 27, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
I think its interesting that as far as I have noticed no one actually wants him at Villa long term.

I dont think I have read a single reply that says "He is great he must stay, he can take us forward!"

Surely the owners must realise that although he is a good bloke, he is operating at a level above his ability [there is no shame in that, other managers have tried and failed... Keane, Warnock, McCarthy, Southgate, Holloway etc... to name but a few]

If we stay up, I am sure that the board will give him another season but if things did not improve would sack him after a few months, leaving us trying to get another manager in and another season of 'Transition'

Our future really does look bleak
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 01:53:46 PM
It's not only Mcleish that needs to go, Faulkner needs to go as well. The Chief Exec has to take some responsibility for the appointment and the utter shambles that makes up Villa at the moment. You can't sack the owner, so the Chief Exec and Manager have to go for massive underperforming.
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Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Bannan and Gardner are two forward-thinking players who were shoe-horned, isolated and not backed up, either defensively or by movement. This I would put down, I'm afraid, to the manager. Brendan Rodgers has proved that you can train players into movement and passing, playing triangles and fearlessly playing out from the back. I don't expect us to be as good as Swansea at that exact style as Rodgers has had longer and more of his own signings in that team, but if there were any form of training like that you would see some dividends on the pitch and some hints in the tactics, like last . As it happens, there is zero evidence of it whatsoever.

Another tick in the Rodgers column is he would know about most of the young up and coming players across the country due to his role at Chelsea.  He would also have a decent knowledge of players in the lower divisions due to his time at Reading and Swansea in the Championship  Pretty crucial, for any manager needing to operate on a budget.

I know you weren't necessarily advocating him as a replacement, but there it is.

Against all that, he was let go by Reading (or the 'mutual consent' cop out - amounts to the same thing really)  due to indifferent results. 
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Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on February 27, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 01:53:46 PM
It's not only Mcleish that needs to go, Faulkner needs to go as well. The Chief Exec has to take some responsibility for the appointment and the utter shambles that makes up Villa at the moment. You can't sack the owner, so the Chief Exec and Manager have to go for massive underperforming.

I don't particularly blame Faulkner. If Randy had wanted a world class manager to replace Houllier, then Faulkner was hardly going to stand in his
way.


 
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Post by: Monty on February 27, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Bannan and Gardner are two forward-thinking players who were shoe-horned, isolated and not backed up, either defensively or by movement. This I would put down, I'm afraid, to the manager. Brendan Rodgers has proved that you can train players into movement and passing, playing triangles and fearlessly playing out from the back. I don't expect us to be as good as Swansea at that exact style as Rodgers has had longer and more of his own signings in that team, but if there were any form of training like that you would see some dividends on the pitch and some hints in the tactics, like last . As it happens, there is zero evidence of it whatsoever.

Another tick in the Rodgers column is he would know about most of the young up and coming players across the country due to his role at Chelsea.  He would also have a decent knowledge of players in the lower divisions due to his time at Reading and Swansea in the Championship  Pretty crucial, for any manager needing to operate on a budget.

I know you weren't necessarily advocating him as a replacement, but there it is.

Against all that, he was let go by Reading (or the 'mutual consent' cop out - amounts to the same thing really)  due to indifferent results. 

But it could also be said that, unlike McLeish, he has shown a willingness to learn from the mistakes he made at Reading. Also, he may be a flavour of the month, but his success doesn't seem built on a fluky Ipswich-style wing-and-a-prayer, but on meticulous planning and sticking to what he believes. Swansea look here to stay as long as he wants to be there, and I'd take him in a heartbeat.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
I dont really want to give funds to a manager with the sword of Damocles hanging over him though so it's best if he just goes now.
It's a bit rotten to have to do it but why not approach Swansea and Norwich to speak to their managers and see what happens? Make it worth their while somehow.

They should both be safe now so get rid of McLeish, put Sid and KMac in temporary charge and go for those guys. It will give them time to bed in at Villa, ready for an overhaul in the summer.

Of course, ideally the Qataris come in and install Hiddink and well, that's just dandy.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 02:05:35 PM
Quote from: 5ft811st2 Durham on February 27, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 01:53:46 PM
It's not only Mcleish that needs to go, Faulkner needs to go as well. The Chief Exec has to take some responsibility for the appointment and the utter shambles that makes up Villa at the moment. You can't sack the owner, so the Chief Exec and Manager have to go for massive underperforming.

I don't particularly blame Faulkner. If Randy had wanted a world class manager to replace Houllier, then Faulkner was hardly going to stand in his
way.


 


Yes but as Chief Exec he would have been at the forefront of appointing a new manager. Somehow that ended up being a man who had experienced relegation twice, played horrendous football which went against the direction we were going under Houllier and on top of that required a fairly hefty compensation package. All in all a complete and utter disater.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 27, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
I dont really want to give funds to a manager with the sword of Damocles hanging over him though so it's best if he just goes now.
I'd be reluctant to let him have any money now, anyway.
Would be like giving a Rubiks cube to Stephen Hawking.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.
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Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 27, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Bannan and Gardner are two forward-thinking players who were shoe-horned, isolated and not backed up, either defensively or by movement. This I would put down, I'm afraid, to the manager. Brendan Rodgers has proved that you can train players into movement and passing, playing triangles and fearlessly playing out from the back. I don't expect us to be as good as Swansea at that exact style as Rodgers has had longer and more of his own signings in that team, but if there were any form of training like that you would see some dividends on the pitch and some hints in the tactics, like last . As it happens, there is zero evidence of it whatsoever.

Another tick in the Rodgers column is he would know about most of the young up and coming players across the country due to his role at Chelsea.  He would also have a decent knowledge of players in the lower divisions due to his time at Reading and Swansea in the Championship  Pretty crucial, for any manager needing to operate on a budget.

I know you weren't necessarily advocating him as a replacement, but there it is.

Against all that, he was let go by Reading (or the 'mutual consent' cop out - amounts to the same thing really)  due to indifferent results. 

But it could also be said that, unlike McLeish, he has shown a willingness to learn from the mistakes he made at Reading. Also, he may be a flavour of the month, but his success doesn't seem built on a fluky Ipswich-style wing-and-a-prayer, but on meticulous planning and sticking to what he believes. Swansea look here to stay as long as he wants to be there, and I'd take him in a heartbeat.

I agree Monts, he'd be my choice too.

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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
I think what's clear from this thread is now that a huge majority of supporters now believe that Mcleish has to go, be that now or in the summer. Hardly anyone is looking beyond the summer, I don't see anything to suggest he could possibly turn around that opinion. He just has to go, and Randy will pay for dithering.
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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: glasses on February 27, 2012, 12:33:36 PM
I think Eck thinks that the team he put out on Saturday was an attacking team. You could argue that he has a point. Bent, Keane, Gabby, Bannan, Albrighton and Gardner are all players that you would consider attacking players  ....
His tactics are awful, his team selections at times are baffling.


This is the point made in the match thread / post-match thread. He played attacking players but left 2 attacking kids in CMF. We lost the game in CMF on Saturday, and McL and Grant did not 'get it'. That's why the first subb should have been Herd. And he then rants and raves at the players for getting things wrong.

McL is baffling; he's sending out all the wrong signals to the players; he's clearly not clear how he wants the team to play - or at least he's sending out players whose strengths are not in the tactics he desires. He might as well tie the players' legs together before kick off.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.

The stupidest mistake was when replacing MON, putting "must have premier league experience" at the top of the list of criteria.

You can understand them making that mistake from inexperience, maybe, but then to find themselves all of twelve months later, making the same mistake *again* is just unforgiveable.

Not only is it unforgiveable, it is in large part why we found ourselves with a short list of two, Martinez and McLeish, two managers who inhabit the arse end of the league (and even lower in the case of the successful applicant).

Of course, not only is this a pretty fucking poor situation to engineer yourself into, it makes zero sense on a footballing level, as they are two managers with totally contrasting styles.

To then cap it all, they get out-manoeuvred by Dave Fucking Whelan, who makes us look a bunch of amateurs, and end up paying Small Heath a fortune to prise away the manager who had just got them relegated.

How anyone can look at a course of events like that and conclude anything other than a case of total fuckwittedness is absolutely beyond me, and I hope at some point Randy sits down and thinks about this, and works out that he's made a colossal mistake, and puts it right, before it is too late.

Right now the club is slowly ebbing away into obscurity and irrelevance again. If he sits back and watches that happen, then God help us.
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Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2012, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.

The stupidest mistake was when replacing MON, putting "must have premier league experience" at the top of the list of criteria.

You can understand them making that mistake from inexperience, maybe, but then to find themselves all of twelve months later, making the same mistake *again* is just unforgiveable.

Not only is it unforgiveable, it is in large part why we found ourselves with a short list of two, Martinez and McLeish, two managers who inhabit the arse end of the league (and even lower in the case of the successful applicant).

Of course, not only is this a pretty fucking poor situation to engineer yourself into, it makes zero sense on a footballing level, as they are two managers with totally contrasting styles.

To then cap it all, they get out-manoeuvred by Dave Fucking Whelan, who makes us look a bunch of amateurs, and end up paying Small Heath a fortune to prise away the manager who had just got them relegated.

How anyone can look at a course of events like that and conclude anything other than a case of total fuckwittedness is absolutely beyond me, and I hope at some point Randy sits down and thinks about this, and works out that he's made a colossal mistake, and puts it right, before it is too late.

Right now the club is slowly ebbing away into obscurity and irrelevance again. If he sits back and watches that happen, then God help us.
Fair points made, Paulie.
I was listening to a radio debate about Wolves on Saturday and the argument was put forward - without dissent from anyone - that the mistake Morgan and Moxey made was not having a replacment lined up before shooting McCarthy.
How my mind went back to last summer and the shambolic recruitment process!

Clark, Lambert, Rodgers and Adkins were the managers we should have been looking at as candidates - and many people advocated this on here, IIRC. We could have put up with a season of transition if the manager was up-and-coming, recognised the value of the youth and got us to a place where investment could have started next season from a new, stronger base.
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Post by: Merv on February 27, 2012, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 02:14:45 PM

This is the point made in the match thread / post-match thread. He played attacking players but left 2 attacking kids in CMF. We lost the game in CMF on Saturday, and McL and Grant did not 'get it'. That's why the first subb should have been Herd. And he then rants and raves at the players for getting things wrong.


Yeah. He tried this earlier in the season, of course, when he insisted that he was puzzled we weren't scoring goals despite playing 'four' strikers - at the time we had CNZ, EH, GA behind DB. What he doesn't understand is that it's not just about putting a load of forwards together at the same time, it's about the balance of the side, the blend of players in that side. He doesn't really understand.

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Post by: NeilH on February 27, 2012, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.

I still maintain that the problem is not their ability to do their jobs, its their ability to do their jobs in the football business. They have tried/are trying to apply standard business practise in the very un-standard world of football club management. Its an exercise in futility and fuckwittery that is sending us down the gurgler.

Can you imagine Steve Stride sanctioning some of the stupid f**king decisions of the last year?
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Post by: dicedlam on February 27, 2012, 03:32:48 PM
I want him gone, but I dont think it will happen sometime soon.

As someone pointed out earlier, its the lack of leadership from above which is the problem.
With the continued absence of Randy and him not feeling the frustration on the ground firsthand, then i'm afraid it will be pretty much more of the same to come.
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Post by: itbrvilla on February 27, 2012, 03:38:20 PM
Can we make a huge banner that reads "Faulkning Clueless"?
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Joking aside now, that group that faulkner asked to meet that refused. We on here should form our own, contact the club and go for a bloody meeting with the bastards and find out what the fuck is going on
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Joking aside now, that group that faulkner asked to meet that refused. We on here should form our own, contact the club and go for a bloody meeting with the bastards and find out what the fuck is going on

There are several groups who do meet 'the bastards'. You should join one.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:48:08 PM
Awesome, i'd love to, can you point me in the right direction
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Post by: Irish villain on February 27, 2012, 03:49:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:44:17 PM
Joking aside now, that group that faulkner asked to meet that refused. We on here should form our own, contact the club and go for a bloody meeting with the bastards and find out what the fuck is going on

There are several groups who do meet 'the bastards'. You should join one.

Then what's going on? Why the drift?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:48:08 PM
Awesome, i'd love to, can you point me in the right direction

There's the Supporters Trust, the Supporter Consultation Groups and the assorted Lions Clubs for a start. And also, have you ever tried talking to them yourself? 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
that Villa Fans Utd group have Talk Sport coverage tomorrow  ::)
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Post by: stubbsyandy on February 27, 2012, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.

The stupidest mistake was when replacing MON, putting "must have premier league experience" at the top of the list of criteria.

You can understand them making that mistake from inexperience, maybe, but then to find themselves all of twelve months later, making the same mistake *again* is just unforgiveable.

Not only is it unforgiveable, it is in large part why we found ourselves with a short list of two, Martinez and McLeish, two managers who inhabit the arse end of the league (and even lower in the case of the successful applicant).

Of course, not only is this a pretty fucking poor situation to engineer yourself into, it makes zero sense on a footballing level, as they are two managers with totally contrasting styles.

To then cap it all, they get out-manoeuvred by Dave Fucking Whelan, who makes us look a bunch of amateurs, and end up paying Small Heath a fortune to prise away the manager who had just got them relegated.

How anyone can look at a course of events like that and conclude anything other than a case of total fuckwittedness is absolutely beyond me, and I hope at some point Randy sits down and thinks about this, and works out that he's made a colossal mistake, and puts it right, before it is too late.

Right now the club is slowly ebbing away into obscurity and irrelevance again. If he sits back and watches that happen, then God help us.
Fair points made, Paulie.
I was listening to a radio debate about Wolves on Saturday and the argument was put forward - without dissent from anyone - that the mistake Morgan and Moxey made was not having a replacment lined up before shooting McCarthy.
How my mind went back to last summer and the shambolic recruitment process!

Clark, Lambert, Rodgers and Adkins were the managers we should have been looking at as candidates - and many people advocated this on here, IIRC. We could have put up with a season of transition if the manager was up-and-coming, recognised the value of the youth and got us to a place where investment could have started next season from a new, stronger base.

I could not agree more!
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2012, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League. But I am willing to take that challenge on. And I still believe we will prosper.

I find this quote interesting.  Without unnecessarily slagging AMc off, I do not think the job he has been assigned is that difficult.  Yes the fans' have probably gotten used to finishing in the top 6, but I doubt many of us here thought this squad could achieve it this year.

Does anyone think he is hinting at something else?  At face value I cannot see how it is one of the hardest job in the EPL.
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Post by: Merv on February 27, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
Whenever I've heard the Villa job described as one of the toughest in the PL - it's been said before, I think - I always take it that it's perceived as tough because 'the fans' expect a certain level of achievement. I'm pretty sure 'the fans' are realistic about what this team can do and the current situation we're in, so I don't think expectations are wildly high.

But expectations are higher here than McLeish is used to, I imagine. He's perhaps also alluding to the fact he hasn't had a significant amount to spend.
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Post by: Billy Walker on February 27, 2012, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 27, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
Whenever I've heard the Villa job described as one of the toughest in the PL - it's been said before, I think - I always take it that it's perceived as tough because 'the fans' expect a certain level of achievement. I'm pretty sure 'the fans' are realistic about what this team can do and the current situation we're in, so I don't think expectations are wildly high.

But expectations are higher here than McLeish is used to, I imagine. He's perhaps also alluding to the fact he hasn't had a significant amount to spend.

Yep and I think the balancing act of blooding the youngsters and keeping the senior pro's onside and motivated is pretty much a challenge, too.  A positive that I'll give him is that he's really giving the young lads a chance.  Making Gabby skipper, too, was a nice touch.
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Post by: ez on February 27, 2012, 05:44:05 PM
McLeish's brand of football has got me thinking back. Wasn't three points for a win brought in to discourage teams from settling for a draw?
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Post by: Rigadon on February 27, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
It seems to me that Faulkner is just a regent for Randy. There's no way he made any appointments without Randy's blessing. So I hold Randy fully accountable. Faulkner, in my opinion, is just a guy who has found himself in a job he has no credentials for at all. Rather than doing a bad job, he isn't doing a job at all.

The stupidest mistake was when replacing MON, putting "must have premier league experience" at the top of the list of criteria.

You can understand them making that mistake from inexperience, maybe, but then to find themselves all of twelve months later, making the same mistake *again* is just unforgiveable.

Not only is it unforgiveable, it is in large part why we found ourselves with a short list of two, Martinez and McLeish, two managers who inhabit the arse end of the league (and even lower in the case of the successful applicant).

Of course, not only is this a pretty fucking poor situation to engineer yourself into, it makes zero sense on a footballing level, as they are two managers with totally contrasting styles.

To then cap it all, they get out-manoeuvred by Dave Fucking Whelan, who makes us look a bunch of amateurs, and end up paying Small Heath a fortune to prise away the manager who had just got them relegated.

How anyone can look at a course of events like that and conclude anything other than a case of total fuckwittedness is absolutely beyond me, and I hope at some point Randy sits down and thinks about this, and works out that he's made a colossal mistake, and puts it right, before it is too late.

Right now the club is slowly ebbing away into obscurity and irrelevance again. If he sits back and watches that happen, then God help us.

Difficult to argue with any of that. 
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 03:48:08 PM
Awesome, i'd love to, can you point me in the right direction

There's the Supporters Trust, the Supporter Consultation Groups and the assorted Lions Clubs for a start. And also, have you ever tried talking to them yourself? 

What do you want me to do Dave? Oh hello nicola this is Phil can I book an appointment to speak to Alex and Paul? I might actually see if I can join a group.
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Post by: dorsetvilla on February 27, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
I went to the game on Saturday (a round trip of over 550 miles) and witnessed one of the worst and most shambolic all round displays I have ever seen. AM was the wrong choice and it was never going to work in either the short or long term. The Villa fans turned on AM like I have never witnessed before to any manager, no matter how bad they were (Turner, McNneil etc)  The split is so big now between fans and manager that there is no going back. Surely to make sure we avoid relegation the club needs uniting and this simply can't happen under AM. Sack him and let KM and GC take us through to the end of the season. Results may not be better, but I can almost guarantee that the football will be and the for sure the club will be united at this crucial time. 

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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2012, 06:58:10 PM
yes Dorsetvilla . I just think AMC has shot himself in the foot.  He talked a good game for a while , asked the fans to give him a chance and most of them backed him . We saw slight hope against Arsenal at home with fans thinking he might be alright but the last couple of games , he has bought all this on himself . Not just the dire negative football but the bollocks he keeps talking after the matches .  I went right off him after the S££tty game.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2012, 07:12:01 PM
Probably already been posted , but its more bloody excuses . Albrighton had just had a baby , so fooking what....

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2624987,00.html
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2012, 07:13:19 PM
So Marc can score sometimes then. A dribble followed by a blast at the target.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 27, 2012, 07:14:35 PM
Whilst we continue to resemble an anal creampie.
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Post by: Shrek on February 27, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
There is a group on Twitter @VillaFansUnited who want Mcleish out, they are apparently going on Talksport tomorrow on drive time.

I've asked them to not embarrass us.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 27, 2012, 07:14:35 PM
Whilst we continue to resemble an anal creampie.

Dude that's gross
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Post by: Monty on February 27, 2012, 07:32:32 PM
Quote from: Shrek on February 27, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
There is a group on Twitter @VillaFansUnited who want Mcleish out, they are apparently going on Talksport tomorrow on drive time.

I've asked them to not embarrass us.

As long as the line "this has nothing to do with Blues" is genuinely stuck to, they shouldn't do.
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Post by: Legion on February 27, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: Shrek on February 27, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
There is a group on Twitter @VillaFansUnited who want Mcleish out, they are apparently going on Talksport tomorrow on drive time.

I've asked them to not embarrass us.

They most probably will.
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Post by: PeterWithe on February 27, 2012, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: dorsetvilla on February 27, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
I went to the game on Saturday (a round trip of over 550 miles) and witnessed one of the worst and most shambolic all round displays I have ever seen. AM was the wrong choice and it was never going to work in either the short or long term. The Villa fans turned on AM like I have never witnessed before to any manager, no matter how bad they were (Turner, McNneil etc)  The split is so big now between fans and manager that there is no going back. Surely to make sure we avoid relegation the club needs uniting and this simply can't happen under AM. Sack him and let KM and GC take us through to the end of the season. Results may not be better, but I can almost guarantee that the football will be and the for sure the club will be united at this crucial time.

I've not seen a Villa support turn on a manager like that since the last one.
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Post by: villanic on February 27, 2012, 08:01:46 PM
Quote from: Shrek on February 27, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
There is a group on Twitter @VillaFansUnited who want Mcleish out, they are apparently going on Talksport tomorrow on drive time.

I've asked them to not embarrass us.

I'm sure they will though and if not then that ginger prat Durham will do his best to make us look like idiots.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
They were talking about Villa today and saying they should do all that they can to get Paul Lambert .
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Post by: villanic on February 27, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
I'd like to see someone like lambert get villa job, young and ambitious and wants to play football.

The only thing is I can't see are board going for someone like that if we did sack AM.
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Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2012, 08:20:11 PM
It's hard to ignore the impact Lambert has had at Norwich, but their success seems to be built on hard work, graft over style and utilising the big man up top (Holt).   

Not terrible qualities by any means. But a bit too close to the principles of a certain pube headed Ulsterman for my liking.  I'd be positively delighted with either Lambert or Rodgers if it meant cheery bye bye to Big Eck though, can't pretend otherwise.
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Post by: Richard on February 27, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
Yeah Lambert is a good shout but then I would take any of the current Premiership managers over McClueless even Steve Kean
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 27, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
Lambert has played for Celtic, Borussia Dortmund and Scotland. He has a European Cup Winners medal. That is the sort of CV that should stand out. He would do for me.
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Post by: Legion on February 27, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Why would he come to us?
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Post by: WarleyWonder on February 27, 2012, 08:31:04 PM
The fans finally gave him some stick on Saturday not before time.
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Post by: Ian. on February 27, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
It's like deja vu. All this talk of managers. Like Legion has said why would he come here?
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Post by: ozzjim on February 27, 2012, 08:34:31 PM
Only an unemployed would come now I reckon.
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Post by: WarleyWonder on February 27, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/02/26/aston-villa-fans-how-much-worse-can-it-get/

Just follow the above link
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 08:36:58 PM
I'd sack Mcleish, put Kmac and Sid in charge for the rest of the season and identify our target now. In order to tempt a proper manager we need to completely change our current ridiculous approach to running a club.
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Post by: mozza on February 27, 2012, 08:41:29 PM
We have managed to beat ONE team you could consider half decent - Chelsea ...........the other 5 wins
over newly promoted Norwich and the four propping up the table ...........can't recall being so downhearted
and despondent watching what was happening in front of me at JJB on saturday -

Surely we can muster enough points to avoid the Championship ? It will need an upturn in performance
to beat Fulham & Bolton on our own patch and I can see Blackburn turning us over this weekend -

Should McLeish be sacked now ?- yes
but I don't think it will happen - Randy appears to be stubborn       
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Post by: MarkM on February 27, 2012, 08:51:04 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 27, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/02/26/aston-villa-fans-how-much-worse-can-it-get/

Just follow the above link

I don't support the boycott however I would support a protest along the lines of not taking my seat until the game kicks off.

You couldn't hide that protest away and it doesn't hurt the club financially
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Post by: hawkeye on February 27, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
The next 3 are critical, I think we need 6 points
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:00:48 PM
Lee Clark anyone? Could be worth a punt.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:00:48 PM
Lee Clark anyone? Could be worth a punt.

A punt up the arse with my boot? *winky*
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on February 27, 2012, 08:23:57 PM
Lambert has played for Celtic, Borussia Dortmund and Scotland. He has a European Cup Winners medal. That is the sort of CV that should stand out. He would do for me.

It's the sort of CV our current manager has.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:00:48 PM
Lee Clark anyone? Could be worth a punt.

A punt up the arse with my boot? *winky*

Oh yeah... sorry, I forgot. We should be going in for Guardiola when he leaves Barcelona this summer.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2012, 09:33:23 PM
Who is that Ian Mcgarry on Radio 5?  talking about Villa fans saying that with the  brummie accent they always seems to be moaning they moaned about Martin Oneil when he got them sixth blah blah blah dont like alex cos he was at blues and they have won more than them recently clueless

If i said that about the scottish accent I would be classes as racist words fail me
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Post by: brian green on February 27, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
I don't think I want another scotsman for a while.   Preferably somebody very unscottish like Gianfranco Zola or Olof Mellberg.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2012, 09:39:00 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
I don't think I want another scotsman for a while.   Preferably somebody very unscottish like Gianfranco Zola or Olof Mellberg.

why couldnt sir taggart have  recommended solskar to Randy 
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2012, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

i have said it before they read a few nationals and watch skysports news and think they know us,  but if they cared to watch a few games tossers
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:41:57 PM
McL ia media darling for some unfathomable reason. Probably because he used to wash Ferguson's knob at Aberdeen or something.  It's a shame they've never treated GT so forgivingly.
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Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 27, 2012, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

It's more of a story to say that Villa fans don't like him because he was manager of Blues than to say it's because the football is poor.
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Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on February 27, 2012, 09:45:44 PM
What were the anti-McLeish chants that were sung?
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
"Sack McLeish M'Lord"
"You don't know what you're doing"
"I want my Villa back"
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Post by: villajk on February 27, 2012, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
"Sack McLeish M'Lord"
"You don't know what you're doing"
"I want my Villa back"

Being pedantic, it was 'we want our villa back'
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 27, 2012, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
"Sack McLeish M'Lord"
"You don't know what you're doing"
"I want my Villa back"

Being pedantic, it was 'we want our villa back'

Oh well... 2 out of 3 ain't bad  ;)
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Post by: PeterWithe on February 27, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 27, 2012, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 27, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
"Sack McLeish M'Lord"
"You don't know what you're doing"
"I want my Villa back"

Being pedantic, it was 'we want our villa back'

Oh well... 2 out of 3 ain't bad  ;)

I missed that one, did we do Bat out of Hell as well?
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Post by: Doorbell on February 27, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7550942/?

Says it all...
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Post by: old man villa fan on February 27, 2012, 10:16:10 PM
Quote from: villajk on February 27, 2012, 08:42:15 AM
From the OS


By Paul Brown

Alex McLeish has vowed to win over the fans and turn their jeers to cheers.

McLeish was criticised by the travelling claret and blue army in the second half at Wigan.

McLeish admitted it wasn't nice to be the subject of disapproval but promised to get the supporters onside as he aims to write a successful chapter in Villa's history.

The boss insisted it was a big challenge to face but one he's determined to succeed in.

He said: "I'm delighted to be here and I'm confident I can get the Villa fans cheering instead of jeering.

"To be fair to the Villa fans they've been fantastic on their away travels, so I can't start criticising them for one particular game.

"We have a huge challenge ahead of us. We've spoken with the players, we've said we've all got to be together and there's got to be a bit of a siege mentality.

"We've worked our socks off, we've got two young kids in that midfield, Stan's out, Gabby's just back after four weeks absence, Albrighton's just had the baby this week and we've had other players out for even longer.

"Chris Herd's come back after three or four months and he's just broken into the team this season.

"So there's got to be a wee bit of patience.

"I have a great challenge here - it's a tough one but I'm up for it.

"It's probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League. But I am willing to take that challenge on. And I still believe we will prosper.

"I need the fans. I need those guys and the team needs them."

McLeish also hailed Gabby Agbonlahor for taking on the skipper's role in the absence of Stan Petrov.

The boss was considering experienced duo James Collins or Shay Given but opted for the star striker because of his claret and blue longevity.

He added: "I don't think you need to be too analytical about it, I could have given it to Shay or James, but it might have given me a headache with who to choose.

"So I thought I'd give it to the guy who is the longest serving experienced player like they do on the continent and Gabby was thrilled to get it. It was great.

"I didn't think he could play the whole game. I said you might have to pass the armband on during the game."
 


Pathetic.  Another one for the fans like the one a month ago.

A carefully scripted piece to try and win the fans back but full of excuses.

He just doesn't say the right things.  "Siege mentality" - when in recent seasons have we had the bottle to stand up to anybody.

As for Gabby as captain, if he thought Collins or Given were the most suitable, why didn't he have the b******* to select one of them, but there again he probably thought "fans favourite, this will get me on side".  Gabby was hardly going to drive the side on from the left touchline.

I'm afraid he's had his chance and failed to deliver with nothing on the horizon that suggests he can.  He knew when he took the job on that he was inheriting a few troublesome players but rather than bring in some strong characters in the middle of defence and centre of midfield, he bought in lightweights (Given excluded).

If he continues, we will lose the opportunity to develop the young players into PL players.  With the financial constraints, we cannot afford to lose this opportunity.  McLeish only knows one way to play and that is not of a high enough standard to finish in the top half of the table.  His days of playing with a bit of adventure are long gone I'm afraid.

Randy Lerner should be thinking now about a replacement and what he wants from Aston Villa.  If he does not have the money to invest but wants to try and make something of the club he should be looking for a manager that can build a team based around our own young players and a style of football that gets the best out of them.

I said when he was appointed that McLeish was not good enough but said I would give him to Xmas.  He looked as though he might steady the ship but never looked like the manager to take us forward.  Since then, he has lost it and looks a man defeated.  I said it before, if he doesn't get the push, I think he will walk. 
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
He was going to turn jeers to cheers in September, he's Fuckin useless
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: bertlambshank on February 27, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
He was going to turn jeers to cheers in September, he's Fuckin useless
But the compo we paid the shit as probably stopped them from going into
Administration.Nice one Randy.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Chipsticks on February 27, 2012, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on February 27, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
He was going to turn jeers to cheers in September, he's Fuckin useless
But the compo we paid the shit as probably stopped them from going into
Administration.Nice one Randy.

To be fair, they did sell almost their entire team, I doubt our compensation made too much of a difference. I think it was their recent Southampton game in which only 2 members of the side played in the Carling Cup final.

Something like that. I'm never going to be a statistician.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
To be honest Id have more confidence in McDonald, Cowans and McAndrews managing the team to the end of the season. McLeish and Grant have more relegations on their CV's than probably any management team in the entire football league. That worry has definitely spread to the players and fans.

Picking a manager without removing Faulkner and Lerner maybe pointless but we need to start thinking about who the coach will be next season. Fuck knows our ambition has collapsed but we could do a lot worse than Chris Hughton. He has inherited 2 clubs that were an absolute shambles, united them and got them performing to the best of their ability, playing good football. He has more experience in the management game than Lambert and Rodgers and has managed jobs that no one really wanted to touch. That would be perfect for us next season.

Play off failure for Bham the best result for us. Hughton's remarkable job at City wont have gone unnoticed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on February 27, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
He was going to turn jeers to cheers in September, he's Fuckin useless
But the compo we paid the shit as probably stopped them from going into
Administration.Nice one Randy.

Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2012, 02:11:13 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on February 27, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 27, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
He was going to turn jeers to cheers in September, he's Fuckin useless
But the compo we paid the shit as probably stopped them from going into
Administration.Nice one Randy.

Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

and Hughton takes them back up to the premier league at the same time while we go down.

Faulkner has to go after the McLeish debacle. There are no ifs or buts about it.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on February 28, 2012, 02:14:28 AM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 27, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/02/26/aston-villa-fans-how-much-worse-can-it-get/

Just follow the above link

You've really got the big guns listening to you there.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2012, 02:14:53 AM
Quote from: mozza on February 27, 2012, 08:41:29 PM
We have managed to beat ONE team you could consider half decent - Chelsea ...........the other 5 wins
over newly promoted Norwich and the four propping up the table ...........can't recall being so downhearted
and despondent watching what was happening in front of me at JJB on saturday -

Surely we can muster enough points to avoid the Championship ? It will need an upturn in performance
to beat Fulham & Bolton on our own patch and I can see Blackburn turning us over this weekend -

Should McLeish be sacked now ?- yes
but I don't think it will happen - Randy appears to be stubborn       

Ironic , he only beat one team in the top ten last season . Chelsea
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2012, 04:39:48 AM
Quote from: villanic on February 27, 2012, 08:18:44 PM
I'd like to see someone like lambert get villa job, young and ambitious and wants to play football.

The only thing is I can't see are board going for someone like that if we did sack AM.

No offence, but Lambert does not represent "good" football.  He even acknowledges that MON΄s an inspiration for him (from his days at Celtic).  This has hopefully been diluted by doing his badges in germany, however I do not think plays good football. 

Now I am not saying he is not a good manger but lets not confuse good football with the structured approach that Lambert uses at Norwich.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villadelph on February 28, 2012, 05:06:36 AM
we don't even have 30 points.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: preston28 on February 28, 2012, 07:50:51 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 27, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: EffDee on February 27, 2012, 11:26:45 AM
The question is where the tipping point is for RL.

That's a very good point.

I think it's pretty much relegation or a very real threat of relegation.  In all fairness, with the bunch on players we have any manager getting us into that position would deserve the bullet anyway.

But do you think RL has any concept of relegation??? Moreover Faulkner is probably still telling him (and AM) that we can qualify for Europe.  It's akin to Cameron and Lansley pushing ahead with the NHS reforms whilst everyone else can see it is a disaster and have pulled support from it. Therefore AM will not be sacked in my opinion come what may?
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Post by: Fergal on February 28, 2012, 08:25:36 AM
Quote from: villadelph on February 28, 2012, 05:06:36 AM
we don't even have 30 points.
Nor 30 goals.
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Post by: Irish villain on February 28, 2012, 09:58:46 AM


Faulkner has to go after the McLeish debacle. There are no ifs or buts about it.
[/quote]

Has their ever been a more unambitious appointment in football?

By the way, that stat on us having neither 30 goals nor 30 points at this stage of the season is absolutely shocking. It's hard to fathom.
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Post by: Concrete John on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Stu on February 28, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.
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Post by: charlie on February 28, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
We need to persuade Eck to throw in the towel. 3 Prem relegations must prevent further top level employment, and he could use fan unrest, etcetc as a reason. He knows deep down he is unwanted, even in the very unlikely chance we stay up. Its not just the sty connections,[don't help tho], its the stifling, boring, useless, play for a 0-1 defeat, refusing to attack style. FOR GODS SAKE ECK.......... GO.
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Post by: Monty on February 28, 2012, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: charlie on February 28, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
We need to persuade Eck to throw in the towel. 3 Prem relegations must prevent further top level employment, and he could use fan unrest, etcetc as a reason. He knows deep down he is unwanted, even in the very unlikely chance we stay up. Its not just the sty connections,[don't help tho], its the stifling, boring, useless, play for a 0-1 defeat, refusing to attack style. FOR GODS SAKE ECK.......... GO.

I disagree. It's the square-route of fuck-all to do with the sty connections, and all to do with those other reasons you mention.
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Post by: Concrete John on February 28, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.
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Post by: ROBBO on February 28, 2012, 11:05:54 AM
Ive just put myself through watching the replay just to see how bad it was, we were without doubt playing the weakest outfit in the league and yet at times they dominated us. I lost count of how many corners they had and it's lucky they are that bad because we all know how good we are at set pieces. The commentators had trouble working out how Villa had trouble scoring with so many capable forwards, what they obviously didn't see is that most of them are defending across our back line. I can only think that Ireland and Nzog had been left out because they didn't work hard enough at tracking back. I really worry for us in the games ahead, MCleish is acting and looking like a condemned man and the players probably see that also. Oh and no Robbie Keane fron now on.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 28, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

Mind you, as the Nurse says in Romeo & Juliet as she's on her way back from Wigan:

Oh pain! Oh painful, painful, painful day! The saddest day, most painful day that I ever, ever did behold! Oh day! Oh day! Oh day! Oh hateful day! There has never been so black a day as today. Oh painful day, Oh painful day!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Stu on February 28, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

No worries, John :)

I fully agree with you about the hysteria from some on here. I tend to vent spleen and get the mental out before I post though, its always for the best!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
Quote
Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on February 28, 2012, 11:55:36 AM
Mind you, as the Nurse says in Romeo & Juliet as she's on her way back from Wigan:

Oh pain! Oh painful, painful, painful day! The saddest day, most painful day that I ever, ever did behold! Oh day! Oh day! Oh day! Oh hateful day! There has never been so black a day as today. Oh painful day, Oh painful day!
[/quote]
Eck you really have done it now.
You've got football fans quoting Shakespeare for gods sake.
How much worse does it have to get?
Mind you on the Shakespeare theme I'd go for 'Now is the season of our discontent, made dark and dismal by this son of Glasgow.'
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2012, 11:56:34 AM
It's the Scottish play.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Monty on February 28, 2012, 11:58:31 AM
Quote from: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
Quote
Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

Considering there's a chance he might be coming back at some point should the same management be in place, no, I think it should be taken with the same pinch of salt as a Villa player keeping the party line.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 28, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 28, 2012, 11:56:34 AM
It's the Scottish play.

As Hamlet says: That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: glasses on February 28, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
Quote
Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.
Even he doesn't get it. Its not where he came from for most of our fans that we have an issue with. Its his shite tactics and defeatist mentality.
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Post by: hulkamania on February 28, 2012, 12:35:14 PM
I've rang into TS to try and get a message to Keys and Gray to say that the level headed Villa fans will tell you that its not the Blues connection but his brand of negative football that is the problem for us and why Alex must go.

I went on to say that the problem doesn't stop there. There is also a problem with Paul Faulkner. 4 different managers in 2 years and big player sales has seen us go backwards to where we were when Randy first came into Villa. 

Personally I don't think Randy has lost interest. But more that he has left the club in the wrong hands with Paul Faulkner. We need football knowledge on the board. Someone who understands what we as Villa fans want. IMO Ian Taylor and Graham Taylor are ideal candidates for the Villa board. I don't expect us to be winning trophy after trophy or winning the league year after year. But I also don't expect us to be battling relegation either with a manager who has done nothing in the Prem other than get relegated.

Had the right choice of manager come in after MoN left then maybe we could of pushed on again. However with Paul Faulkner coming in we can now see that was never going to happen. I've no problem with the cut backs if that is what is needed right now to hopefully enable us to push forward again. But for the life of me I can see no sense in employing Alex mcleish. There are good managers out there who with the players we have would of done a much better job.

As far as "this is a very difficult job" remark from Alex goes. I would ask him is it a harder job than what he had at the Blues? He's got a team littered with International players and a board that backed him. I would agree that some of those players need moving on but does that make them bad players? How many will go to other prem clubs and do well. I can see Heskey dropping down to the Championship due to his age and ability. But other players will stay in the Prem and most probably do very well elsewhere.

Right now I fear for our safety
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Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2012, 12:56:36 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2012, 11:05:54 AM
Ive just put myself through watching the replay just to see how bad it was, we were without doubt playing the weakest outfit in the league and yet at times they dominated us. I lost count of how many corners they had and it's lucky they are that bad because we all know how good we are at set pieces. The commentators had trouble working out how Villa had trouble scoring with so many capable forwards, what they obviously didn't see is that most of them are defending across our back line. I can only think that Ireland and Nzog had been left out because they didn't work hard enough at tracking back. I really worry for us in the games ahead, MCleish is acting and looking like a condemned man and the players probably see that also. Oh and no Robbie Keane fron now on.
You're right but with Herd and Petrov back in in CMF, we should be much more robust.
When is Petrov back?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2012, 01:06:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
Quote
Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

ffs     stop saying about the Blose connection.     Its nothing to do with that . The football is dire , If Brendan Rodgers had come from Birmingham I would have been over the moon . Its the negative football he plays.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: VillaAlways on February 28, 2012, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2012, 01:06:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
Quote
Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

ffs     stop saying about the Blose connection.     Its nothing to do with that . The football is dire , If Brendan Rodgers had come from Birmingham I would have been over the moon . Its the negative football he plays.
If we nicked Chris Hughton I'd be over the moon
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Post by: Dave on February 28, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
Quote from: hulkamania on February 28, 2012, 12:35:14 PM
I've rang into TS to try and get a message to Keys and Gray...
Well, that's your first mistake.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 28, 2012, 01:17:43 PM
Quote from: Tony Boucher on February 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:
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Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

He's completely missed the point as well, it's got nothing to do with him coming from Blues. It is because we are fucking shit, don't win and play horrible football.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 28, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on February 28, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on February 28, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 02:03:04 AM
Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

Mind you, as the Nurse says in Romeo & Juliet as she's on her way back from Wigan:

Oh pain! Oh painful, painful, painful day! The saddest day, most painful day that I ever, ever did behold! Oh day! Oh day! Oh day! Oh hateful day! There has never been so black a day as today. Oh painful day, Oh painful day!

An education can be dangerous in the wrong hands.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 28, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
I think the players are generally behind him. I don't think the attacking line up we had out on Sunday had it in them by nature to play so negatively. I think the players followed his instructions and tactics to the letter so obviously they must be behind him. The only players who I reckon have any problem with him are Ireland and N'Zogbia and they have been all but frozen out.
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Post by: john e on February 28, 2012, 01:42:38 PM
i think the tipping point came and went some time ago,
 even his biggest supporters know its only a matter of time, theres no comeback from here, i admire those who support the manager no matter what, but they know deep down its akin to shouting 'i'm sparticus' at the moment with an inevitable outcome.

we know he's going and so does he, we are in the same twilight zone we were in at the end of  DOL reign, just a matter of time.
i thought he would be here a while, just keep us bobbing around midtable, just keep the wheels turning, but its gone worse than bad, and its all over bar the shouting.

i think he'l be gone within 12 months
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Post by: cdward on February 28, 2012, 01:52:06 PM
So Robbie Keane is telling the truth, and the players are all behind McLeish, then even more reason to get rid of McLeish. He picks the team, motivates them, makes changes etc, and it is still not good enough. No one is blaming the players, so who is left.
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Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: john e on February 28, 2012, 01:42:38 PM
i think he'l be gone within 12 months

I think he'll be gone at the end of the season.
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Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 28, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
...  The only players who I reckon have any problem with him are Ireland and N'Zogbia and they have been all but frozen out.

The fact that he's spent £9m on Charlie and appears to have frozen him out is an indictment in itself. This is - after all - a player whom he courted for over 12 months.
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Post by: David_Nab on February 28, 2012, 02:13:36 PM
With Keane gone and Bent injure if neither Ireland or N'Zogbia start then he is just cutting off his nose to spite his face.I'm not saying they are world class players but we have played our best with them in the team.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on February 28, 2012, 02:44:04 PM
I voted yes the first time and voted yes again.  The guy has to go but it is not going to happen any time soon.  Unfortunately, i didnt go to the wigan game nor did I watch it via an online stream but followed via twitter and heard it was an absolute diabolical performance and to top it off, Bent is now injured.  We are really going to be in the shit especially if we cant beat blackburn next.  How he continues to bring on Heskey is beyond me as he offers nothing apart from running around and making a few tackles and winning a few headers.  Why not start with Ireland and nzogbia to try and get a couple of goals and then shut up shop to win ugly?  instead, he plays negative tactics from the off which makes it difficult to get a goal or do anything remotely attacking.
MCLEISH OUT!
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Post by: VillaAlways on February 28, 2012, 03:04:22 PM
I've even started posting comments about McLeish on the Facebook AVFC Official site Even when items have nothing to do with him directly. This is what I've been reduced to
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Post by: TheSandman on February 28, 2012, 03:11:59 PM
The fact that you've been reduced to posting on the club faceache page AT ALL is bad enough. Just looking at the comments on that makes my head hurt.
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Post by: VillaAlways on February 28, 2012, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 28, 2012, 03:11:59 PM
The fact that you've been reduced to posting on the club faceache page AT ALL is bad enough. Just looking at the comments on that makes my head hurt.
Exactly.Although I have to confess to find some of the comments mildly amusing,in the way that every single item even if it's about booking Xmas parties is twisted round to a Mcleish out agenda
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on February 28, 2012, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: EffDee on February 28, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 28, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
...  The only players who I reckon have any problem with him are Ireland and N'Zogbia and they have been all but frozen out.

The fact that he's spent £9m on Charlie and appears to have frozen him out is an indictment in itself. This is - after all - a player whom he courted for over 12 months.

Perhaps he read some of the book "Managing People for Dummies" MON left when he was escorted off the premises?
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Post by: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X
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Post by: German James on February 28, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

It's BECAUSE the manager isn't good enough that we're struggling at the moment... But thanks for your input, and well done in getting your carer to type it for you.
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Post by: Monty on February 28, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

Ouch man, that cut deep, that cut real deep. I'll never be the same after that. I'm questioning my whole belief system now I've been so thoroughly zinged.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on February 28, 2012, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: German James on February 28, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

It's BECAUSE the manager isn't good enough that we're struggling at the moment... But thanks for your input, and well done in getting your carer to type it for you.

It's amazing what they can train chimps to do these days.
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Post by: caster troy on February 28, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
So Keane likes him, so what? In my experience some of the worst performing people managers are popular with staff because they are too nice and let them get away with murder. The main consideration is the view of the customers and in this case they aren't happy.

It's not surprising really, he regularly tells us the teams performances are acceptable when they aren't so I assume he tells them the same.
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Post by: KevinGage on February 28, 2012, 07:33:26 PM
Not sure it was a case of too good for him.

Rather a case that another control freak of a manager, who would want shitloads to spend might not be a perfect fit for us. Particularly seeing as we weren't even in Europe.   ???

Sorta negates his biggest selling point, no?
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 28, 2012, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on February 28, 2012, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: German James on February 28, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

It's BECAUSE the manager isn't good enough that we're struggling at the moment... But thanks for your input, and well done in getting your carer to type it for you.

It's amazing what they can train chimps to do these days.

Not training. The infinite bluenose monkey theorem states that a bluenose hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as a  legible comment on H & V. We await the complete works of Shakespeare. 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2012, 07:56:34 PM
The amount of people who have said to me today 'Villa are well in the shit now with Bent injured '   I replied we were in the shit with a fit Bent as the manager does not know how to play him but they all agreed AMC is a awful manager . These ex pro's and media people saying he is a good manager and needs to get his own players in , absolutely scares me.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 28, 2012, 08:00:35 PM
The people in the media always say that so and so is a good manager. Irrespective of who it is or how terrible they are. They probably want to ensure they have a comfortable time at any pressers.
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Post by: cdward on February 28, 2012, 08:03:08 PM
Randy needs to be at the games before this will end.  I wonder does he even watch all the games via AVTV or iraqi goals. I didn't watch the Wigan game, it is one of the few i have missed this season.
When i heard the result, i was disappointed, when i started reading the feedback on here, i knew it was bad. I didn't concern myself with it until i saw the highlights on MOTD and it didn't come across as badly as everyone was making out. Now i know what it was really like, having spoken to mates who were there, but the point is if the manager is ready with the excuses, backed up by the players, and the chairman only sees some edited highlights, it masks the real problems. The chairman then puts trust in his staff to advise him, step forward Paul Faulkner who must have been involved in the deal to bring McL here, so he is not going to admit to another balls up. So then it seems to the outside world that the fans are only moaning because we have a nose managing us, not because he is out of his depth.
I see this dragging on until next season unless Randy starts to see what we all see, which is difficult from the other side of the atlantic.
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Post by: Eigentor on February 28, 2012, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 28, 2012, 07:33:26 PM
Not sure it was a case of too good for him.

Rather a case that another control freak of a manager, who would want shitloads to spend might not be a perfect fit for us. Particularly seeing as we weren't even in Europe.   ???

Sorta negates his biggest selling point, no?

Still, Benitez has a CV that most other contenders this summer struggled to match. On his day one of the best tacticians in the game, a much better transfer record than he is credited for, and winning trophies wherever he has been. The only reason he has a slightly iffy reputation is his final season at Liverpool (when the clueless Americans had his arms tied behind his back) and that Fergie's media mates lampooned him after his so-called 'rant' (which, contrary to myth, didn't affect his team's performance).

Still, a reason for caution is his history of quarrels with his superiors. That was the case at Valencia, with Rick Parry at Liverpool and his successor (whose name I don't remember). How much patience would the Spaniard had with Faulkner's lack of football know-how and Lerner's austerity regime? My feeling is that result could very well have been a civil war with Rafa openly criticising the club, and performances and results suffering badly as a result.

Even so, it's hard to make the case that Rafa's the wrong man for the club when Big Eck supposedly is the right.
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Post by: hawkeye on February 28, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X
If you are going to come on here on a wind up I suggest you get your facts straight, I dont think any one said Benitez we were too good for benitez, your second point is correct
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Post by: KevinGage on February 28, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
Wouldn't disagree with most of that.

But wasn't it a case that he was keen on the job - until he was made aware of the constraints vis a vis wage bill and transfer budget- and had a change of heart?

That's how it was reported on the day he pulled out of discussions, so -if true- it was more a case of us cramping his style rather than the other way around and us being too good for him.

I do think it takes a particularly divisive individual to fritter away the advantage the Redscouse had when it came to being a top 4 side for years though.  To finish 7th with the players they had and the money he spent (and despite Laurel and Hardy in the boardroom he did spend a fair whack) takes some doing.
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Post by: WarleyWonder on February 28, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

Well said could not agree more glad more people are finally agreeing with the fans who never ever wanted him and not just because of where he came from AM is bringing our famous club down to his level.
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Post by: Eigentor on February 28, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 28, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
I do think it takes a particularly divisive individual to fritter away the advantage the Redscouse had when it came to being a top 4 side for years though.  To finish 7th with the players they had and the money he spent (and despite Laurel and Hardy in the boardroom he did spend a fair whack) takes some doing.

Agreed. Even so, in his penultimate season, when he spent his energy managing the team, he came close to making Liverpool the best team in the Premiership, which is quite impressive given the set of constraints he worked under (I'm not only talking about the owners, but also Liverpool's belief that they should be title contenders no matter how good their team is). In his final season, he spent his energy fighting his bosses, and was a failure. So whether we would have got Benitez the manager or Benitez the office warrior matters quite a lot, in my opinion. Given the current set-up at Villa, there is a considerable risk that we would have got the latter.
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Post by: Vanilla on February 28, 2012, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 28, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

Well said could not agree more glad more people are finally agreeing with the fans who never ever wanted him and not just because of where he came from AM is bringing our famous club down to his level.

I think as achievements go, the manager must be congratulated on bringing us down to his level in such a short space of time.
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Post by: Stu on February 28, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

Nobody ever said that. You're making things up.

Now do one if you've just come on to take the piss.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 28, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2012, 07:56:34 PM
The amount of people who have said to me today 'Villa are well in the shit now with Bent injured '   I replied we were in the shit with a fit Bent as the manager does not know how to play him but they all agreed AMC is a awful manager . These ex pro's and media people saying he is a good manager and needs to get his own players in , absolutely scares me.
Just bear in mind that many ex-pros and TV pundits are speaking from a safe vantage point. They are shit scared of going into management themselves, where they would be exposed, but can roll back in their MOTD chair and spout bullshit with no fear of the sack themselves.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 28, 2012, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: BallsDeep on February 28, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
It's kind of funny that when you were linked with Benitez (a two time European champion) at the start of the season you were too good for him, and now you're facing possible relegation with a manager you think isn't good enough for you. :-X

Nobody ever said that. You're making things up.

Now do one if you've just come on to take the piss.

Benitez wouldnt come because there was more money at villa he hadnt pulled up any trees in the last 5 years and Mcleish had taken the blues down twice and won a cup that lets face it is a lottery. Can we really be blamed for having reservations?   
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 28, 2012, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on February 28, 2012, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: EffDee on February 28, 2012, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 28, 2012, 01:31:25 PM
...  The only players who I reckon have any problem with him are Ireland and N'Zogbia and they have been all but frozen out.

The fact that he's spent £9m on Charlie and appears to have frozen him out is an indictment in itself. This is - after all - a player whom he courted for over 12 months.

Perhaps he read some of the book "Managing People for Dummies" MON left when he was escorted off the premises?

I know blues fans who said that mcleish said he'd never deal with nzogbia again because of his attitude. He did now look what's happened
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Post by: Lobsterboy on February 28, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
I am probably in the minority (I've seen the poll) but I don't see any sense in sacking him now. We've 12 games to go and are currently 8 points clear of relegation. On that basis I don't see any need to press the panic button now.

Am I happy with the job McLeish is doing? No
Would I like to see him still in charge next season? No

I really don't believe we will be relegated and think any decision re the manager should be made in the summer when there are more credible candidates available and anyone coming in will have the chance to make some changes

There are 12 games to go and 36 points to play for; let's see where we end up and then make a decision that is in the best interest of Aston Villa Football Club

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2012, 11:43:45 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 28, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

Well said could not agree more glad more people are finally agreeing with the fans who never ever wanted him and not just because of where he came from AM is bringing our famous club down to his level.

The difference between most of us and you is that we were prepared to give him a chance. You weren't prepared from the off, so you might want to save that sanctimonious, self congratulatory bullshit for people who want to hear it.

Which i suspect consists of you and your equally shit alter ego.
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Post by: glasses on February 28, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
I agree Paulie. Surely, as a Villa fan you would get onside and want to be wrong. We all had reservations about the appointment, and no more than 5% of fans would have actually picked him to be manager. The 'I was right all along' thing is so petty
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2012, 11:55:31 PM
I can't even begin to fathom why a Villa fan would want a Villa manager to fail.

Tell you what, if we sack McLeish - and I hope we do - I would be quite happy if we appointed Hughton. Apart from football reasons, it'd stick one right up the arses of those whose dislike of McLeish was based entirely around him coming from Small Heath.
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Post by: villadelph on February 29, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
Quote from: glasses on February 28, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
I agree Paulie. Surely, as a Villa fan you would get onside and want to be wrong. We all had reservations about the appointment, and no more than 5% of fans would have actually picked him to be manager. The 'I was right all along' thing is so petty

Petty, but come on man. Absolutely the most diabolical appointment in the last 25 years. Can anyone name a more controversial/dreadful appointment? I don't understand why Randy and Faulkner are force feeding McLeish down our throats. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Hell, if we don't beat Blackburn heads will roll. I cannot wait to hear the excuses, they're never ending.

The Board telling us to keep calm and believe in the manager, how.. seriously how? In hope of what.. an 8th place finish in 4 years. Yeah, no thanks. McLeish isn't going to be able to lure the talent to take us anywhere near the top half. Hutton and N'Zogbia blew up in his face and the Board want us to trust him with a summer transfer window?! We can't even trust him to beat Wigan with a squad more than capable to win by four.

I would take anyone, literally anyone, over Alex McLeish. The away support hates you, the home support doesn't even bother to show up, and we haven't had possession in the final third since QPR. We're a joke. Thanks Randy, thanks Paul, thanks Alex.. let's dream big and shoot for 12th next year.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2012, 08:34:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2012, 11:55:31 PM
I can't even begin to fathom why a Villa fan would want a Villa manager to fail.

Tell you what, if we sack McLeish - and I hope we do - I would be quite happy if we appointed Hughton. Apart from football reasons, it'd stick one right up the arses of those whose dislike of McLeish was based entirely around him coming from Small Heath.

Yep agreed, I never wanted Mcleish to fail as he is the Villa manager. However it has become apparent he is going to fail now, a lot of us have given him a chance but it just isn't going to happen. The blues thing is a bollocks smokescreen that means nothing.
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Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2012, 08:40:41 AM
I'm hoping that the Bent injury will bring the players together and make them realise that they could well get dragged into a relegation scrap. I think we'll see a better perfomance on Saturday but if i'm honest, i think we'd have a better chance of picking up the points we need without McLeish at the helm.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
Dont know if this has been posted or not but it has been doing the rounds so to speak. I think it reflects many opinions on matters Villa quite accurately and I, Mazrim, endorse it. *gong sound*



"Dear Aston Villa,

I am rarely one to consider directing a letter of complaint towards a major corporation to be a worthwhile endeavour, especially if my complaint does not relate to something that has wronged me on a personal level. For example, writing to the BBC to complain that Graham Norton is not worth the bulk of the license fee budget directed to his pocket is to my mind the written equivalent of standing by a motorway and shouting at traffic as it whizzes past. It is not only pointless, but generally the vocation of a lunatic.

But recently one is becoming more attuned to the mindset of the common lunatic, as I find it increasingly difficult to envisage anything more brain-achingly maddening than supporting this football club. So like the mad man on the hard shoulder, I am going to use this letter to vent my feelings of abject frustration towards those I feel have wronged me, content in the knowledge that they’re not paying me any attention and, in any case, have absolutely no respect for my views in the first place.

For of course, if you did have any respect for the views of your supporters, than there would be absolutely no need for this letter in the first place, as the club would not find itself in the outstandingly ridiculous situation it is in now. And bear in mind that when I refer to the supporters, I am referring to the actual real life flesh and blood oxygen breathing supporters, not the “silent majority” of invisible, brain dead or blind simpletons who exist only in the disturbing parallel universe situated entirely in Alex McLeish’s head.
It’s the confusion when one tries to comprehend it all that can send you insane. Among Aston Villa fans, there is absolutely no understanding among the supporters as to how the powers that be have decided on the present course of action. (I should point out at this juncture that by no means do I consider myself a fan spokesman, but can certainly assure you that I have never found myself sharing quite the consensus on matters relating to the club as I have done since June 2011.) Not one of us can offer the slightest explanation for the events of the summer – there are only questions, and nobody from the club itself has come remotely close to providing any answers.

The nearest to thing to an answer we seem to have gleaned from the club is that Mr McLeish is a likeable man in the eyes of the chairman, with Premier League experience and a recommendation from the Manchester United manager. For obvious reasons, I cannot believe these would be your only criteria (as none of them are particularly relevant), but equally justification for your decision outside of these reasons seems entirely non-apparent. However, one cannot undo the past so there is little point fretting over the most bizarre managerial appointment of all time. Instead, it would be more pertinent to offer some insight into how it has been for the supporters in the six months since.

The most overwhelming feeling is one of being insulted. It is an insult to our intelligence that you would cite a letter from our manager’s friend as evidence of his credentials for one of the biggest jobs in the English game. The gutless football is insulting to watch. It is insulting to ask supporters to show their support for the team by spending money on attending matches, when a large proportion of them are deemed not worth competing in by the manager himself. It is insulting to watch what should be a form of entertainment reduced to nothing other than mass restriction of the opposition, with emphasis on technique or creativity superseded by a strategy of essentially crossing our fingers and hoping that on the (extremely) rare forage into the opposition half, the opposition defend set pieces as abjectly as we do. It is insulting to have it patronisingly pointed out that Man United/Man City/Tottenham etc have different agendas to us in an attempt to convince us that making no effort to pass, shoot or score is justified. It is insulting to Darren Bent to even select him in a side that seems content with 35% of possession and 3% of time spent in the opposition third at 1-0 down (actual stats from the recent game vs Manchester City). With stats such as these, it is incredibly insulting to every fan’s intelligence to be told that is a ‘myth’ that our manager plays negative football when this is something apparent to any single person who has watched his teams in action, from five year old children to senile pensioners. It is insulting to be constantly told that the only reason we feel this way is because our manager used to be in charge of an irrelevant club nearby (if you wanted to poach Chris Hughton, you would have my blessing). It is insulting to try and convince us that Alan Hutton is a Premier League defender.


Hutton is a truly abject defender by Premier League standards.
Most of all, it would be extremely insulting to every supporter if your explanation for such woeful performances involved references to revised expectations, reduced spending power, loss of key players or being in a ‘transitional’ season. If you believe in these answers, then please make an effort to watch a Norwich City or a Swansea City match this season. You will find yourself watching a side with a smaller budget than ourselves, with very little Premier League experience (yes, even the managers!), showing significantly more ambition in taking the game to the opposition, including against the ‘big’ teams, with a significantly more advanced understanding of how a team creates goalscoring opportunities (and, in Swansea’s case at least, a better understanding of how not to concede as well). Most of all, you will see stadiums filled to capacity as fans are entertained, encouraged and heartened by their team’s approach to playing the game. Contrast this to the depressing apathy that reigns supreme at the increasingly emptying Villa Park right now, and ask yourself once again if you have made the correct call.

I understand that your default position now will be one of disappointment with the club’s current position but belief that improvement is around the corner. Sadly, our manager’s track record shows this to be incredibly optimistic at best, hopelessly unrealistic at worst. His (second) relegation at Birmingham City had nothing to do with being victim of circumstance. Instead it was a culmination of his work – the squad was his own, built over a number of years and not exactly on the cheap. Ultimately the reason for their relegation was a consistent failure to score goals or even create goalscoring opportunities (scoring 37 goals from 121 shots on targets, by far the weakest record in the league). The Aston Villa side of today has eerily similar problems creating and scoring chances, despite possessing one of the most natural finishers in the league and a number of exciting forward thinking players. It is abundantly clear that they are being stifled, and more worryingly, their development is being stunted as not one player has shown improvement in an attacking capacity this year. Incredibly, our already poor defence is also looking increasingly amateur.

There are a vast number of managers in the world game, each with their own approach and means of achieving results. Some I would describe as more progressive than others – your previous appointment, Gerard Houllier, for instance I would describe as more progressive than his predecessor as he sought to genuinely transfer onto the players a footballing philosophy, while the transfers he oversaw showed a degree of imagination. In Alex McLeish you have managed to hire one of the few managers who I would describe as truly regressive. He is damaging the club through alienation of supporters, he is halting the development of players through a total lack of tactical emphasis on positive play, and he is generally destroying the image of the club through sending the nation and the wider world to sleep.

I call upon you to end this now before any further damage is caused.

Yours,

DogFacedBoy

p.s. Feel free to write back demanding an apology should Alex turn things around through entertaining and effective football. I promise not to send a ‘told you so’ message when you finally rid the club of his presence."

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Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 29, 2012, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 28, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

Well said could not agree more glad more people are finally agreeing with the fans who never ever wanted him and not just because of where he came from AM is bringing our famous club down to his level.

I doubt if anyone is agreeing with you. They may have come to the same conclusion but for reasons different to your own agenda. If the end result is that McLeish is sacked, what will you have to moan about then? I have been through all your posts and that is what most of them have been: moan moan moan.
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Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2012, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on February 28, 2012, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on February 27, 2012, 09:38:38 PM
It really really fucking annoys me that the media think we are fed up with Mcleish because he came from them. It's because we don't fucking win and we play horrible horrible football, that's why he needs to go. I couldn't give a fuck about it coming from them.

Well said could not agree more glad more people are finally agreeing with the fans who never ever wanted him and not just because of where he came from AM is bringing our famous club down to his level.

I did'nt want him either but i was preared to give him a chance. It's what proper supporters do.
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Post by: tricky59 on February 29, 2012, 09:20:20 AM
Mazrim, what a wonderful post from DogFacedBoy, if he is dog faced he more than makes up for it with his eloquence, sharp wit and being able to point out how I feel as well.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 29, 2012, 09:31:50 AM
yes , great letter from the old dog . Just how I feel , like a lot of us.
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Post by: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 29, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 
Ohhh, get you with your new Thesaurus.
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Post by: Nev on February 29, 2012, 10:40:42 AM
The majority of that letter could've been drafted in July last year.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 29, 2012, 10:43:13 AM
Excellent letter
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 29, 2012, 10:47:08 AM
The letter, entertaining though it is, is too long.
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Post by: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 29, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 
Ohhh, get you with your new Thesaurus.
If there are any words I used that you’re struggling to understand, just let me know and I’ll happily explain to you what they mean.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 29, 2012, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on February 29, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 
Ohhh, get you with your new Thesaurus.
If there are any words I used that you’re struggling to understand, just let me know and I’ll happily explain to you what they mean.
Ta.

I'm struggling with 'bad', 'badly', 'argued' and 'that.'
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Post by: VillaAlways on February 29, 2012, 11:04:39 AM
They must be getting loads of letters like this.They won't even be read
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2012, 11:06:12 AM
dr.checkov
Quote
I’ll happily explain to you


have you split your infinitives here? or are your trousers too tight?
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Post by: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 

There was no need for the comma before 'and'.
That said, I don't agree with your appraisal of the letter. Unless you were rapping?
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Post by: JDPower on February 29, 2012, 11:18:34 AM
thank fuck 82.4% voted yes to this, im not on my own then. the ginger gimp has overstayed his welcome  >:(
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Post by: Concrete John on February 29, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
Quote from: JDPower on February 29, 2012, 11:18:34 AM
thank fuck 82.4% voted yes to this, im not on my own then. the ginger gimp has overstayed his welcome  >:(

You may have very rational and thought out reasons for wanting him gone, but calling him a 'ginger gimp' does your argument no favours.
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Post by: CJ on February 29, 2012, 11:24:37 AM
'Pleonastic' - was that the period between Cretaceous and Jurassic?
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on February 29, 2012, 11:31:53 AM
Trouble is with letters like that, no-one reads past the first sent.... oh I can't be bothered.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: CJ on February 29, 2012, 11:24:37 AM
'Pleonastic' - was that the period between Cretaceous and Jurassic?

It goes: Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous, Bombastic, Pleonastic, Automatic... Grease Lightnin'!
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Post by: Holte L2 on February 29, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
I'm coming on here every hour praying for a miricale, and reading the headlines "Mcleish and Resignation"" I know it's not going to happen anytime soon but you can but dream.

I wouldnt take this decision likely but I'm even at the stage now, where I'd contemplate accepting a defeat at Blackburn in turn for his resignation. But I'm not even sure a defeat at Blackburn would change things?
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Post by: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
There's no chance of a resignation. He probably thought all his christmases came at once when he landed the Villa job. He'll be hanging on like a stubborn clagnut until pried from this battycrease of a season with a fat pay off all the way to Rangers.
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Post by: DB on February 29, 2012, 11:57:19 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
There's no chance of a resignation. He probably thought all his christmases came at once when he landed the Villa job. He'll be hanging on like a stubborn clagnut until pried from this battycrease of a season with a fat pay off all the way to Rangers.

It's like my manager going to his boss, "I've just lost us £20m quid boss...". Then a rival company upon hearing this says "Can we hire this fellow, before you sack him, so we can give him a improved contract and give you a few million for the privage for taking him off your hands?"

Basically, you just got a club relegated....and then got a promotion.
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Post by: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
He should be a banker.
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Post by: Stu on February 29, 2012, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
Quote from: dr.chekov on February 29, 2012, 09:47:35 AM
That is a bad letter: hyperbolic, bombastic, inelegant, pleonastic, and badly argued. 

There was no need for the comma before 'and'.
That said, I don't agree with your appraisal of the letter. Unless you were rapping?

Its the Oxford comma.

And I'd like an example of hyperbole from the letter. And pleonism, which surely is a subjective point you're making in an opinion piece like this.
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Post by: VillaAlways on February 29, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 29, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
I'm coming on here every hour praying for a miricale, and reading the headlines "Mcleish and Resignation"" I know it's not going to happen anytime soon but you can but dream.

I wouldnt take this decision likely but I'm even at the stage now, where I'd contemplate accepting a defeat at Blackburn in turn for his resignation. But I'm not even sure a defeat at Blackburn would change things?
I think if we then lost to Fulham at home.His position would be untenable surely??
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Post by: Monty on February 29, 2012, 12:54:15 PM
Can that letter be re-sent as an open letter, and can we all put our names (real or internetz) on the end of it? It's the most reasonable and detailed expression of all we feel about the club at the moment.
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 29, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
With the financials as they are I can see no way he will be fired. By walking away he sacrifices being paid off so we have to face facts that he is here to stay.

We all want Villa in the Prem next season so just hope we can get on a decent run. Support the club and team if not the manager.
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Post by: mallo on February 29, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
At the risk of advertising, you can set this kind of thing up :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/

Will do a free one - we could see how many signatures it gets? It won't change the clubs mind, but its a marathon not a sprint <insert your own hideous cliche>

BTW I want him out - asap. I was worried before about getting someone worse than Houllier, now I'm not bothered as I think we're at rock bottom (ok maybe not Martinez ;-0).
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Post by: Monty on February 29, 2012, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: mallo on February 29, 2012, 01:00:12 PM
At the risk of advertising, you can set this kind of thing up :

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/

Will do a free one - we could see how many signatures it gets? It won't change the clubs mind, but its a marathon not a sprint <insert your own hideous cliche>

BTW I want him out - asap. I was worried before about getting someone worse than Houllier, now I'm not bothered as I think we're at rock bottom (ok maybe not Martinez ;-0).

Good stuff, could you set one up and post the link on here? Possibly start a thread for it (or mods, would you feel that -  since we're all being thesauruses today - superfluous?).

Also, I'd take Martinez over McLeish. He would have a better chance of getting results with our players and his football than McLeish does with our players and his football.
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Post by: Merv on February 29, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
The best part of that letter is the section about no explanation for McLeish's appointment. I still have yet to understand why we went for him. There was no logic to it. It hasn't been explained.
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Post by: Villanation on February 29, 2012, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 29, 2012, 01:10:39 PM
The best part of that letter is the section about no explanation for McLeish's appointment. I still have yet to understand why we went for him. There was no logic to it. It hasn't been explained.

I would say that's easy........................ Laziness, lack of knowledge, lack of understanding, ineptitude.
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Post by: Merv on February 29, 2012, 01:25:35 PM
All of that, obviously... but the logic behind it baffled me from day one. If I'd been granted an audience with Paul Faulkner, like that fans group had (and declined), that's what I'd be chatting about. Not in an aggressive way, just genuinely curious and confused.
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Post by: Villanation on February 29, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 29, 2012, 01:25:35 PM
All of that, obviously... but the logic behind it baffled me from day one. If I'd been granted an audience with Paul Faulkner, like that fans group had (and declined), that's what I'd be chatting about. Not in an aggressive way, just genuinely curious and confused.

I have to agree it would be interesting to see what they would come up with as to why.
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Post by: itbrvilla on February 29, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
Quote from: Villanation on February 29, 2012, 01:27:11 PM
Quote from: Merv on February 29, 2012, 01:25:35 PM
All of that, obviously... but the logic behind it baffled me from day one. If I'd been granted an audience with Paul Faulkner, like that fans group had (and declined), that's what I'd be chatting about. Not in an aggressive way, just genuinely curious and confused.
'He shares the clubs vision'  will be all you'd get out of them.  A vision they seem to have no idea about themselves.
I have to agree it would be interesting to see what they would come up with as to why.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on February 29, 2012, 02:31:45 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on February 29, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
There's no chance of a resignation. He probably thought all his christmases came at once when he landed the Villa job. He'll be hanging on like a stubborn clagnut until pried from this battycrease of a season with a fat pay off all the way to Rangers.
Yet he had the bare faced cheek to say it's one of the hardest jobs in the Premier.
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Post by: ktvillan on February 29, 2012, 02:37:57 PM
That's a great letter Mazrim, puts it all very well.  Perhaps we should all write similar to the club and they might get the message.  Love the use of the much under used "clagnut" later on as well althoguh never sure whether to spell it with a K or a C. 
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Post by: Holte L2 on February 29, 2012, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on February 29, 2012, 12:01:33 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 29, 2012, 11:48:00 AM
I'm coming on here every hour praying for a miricale, and reading the headlines "Mcleish and Resignation"" I know it's not going to happen anytime soon but you can but dream.

I wouldnt take this decision likely but I'm even at the stage now, where I'd contemplate accepting a defeat at Blackburn in turn for his resignation. But I'm not even sure a defeat at Blackburn would change things?
I think if we then lost to Fulham at home.His position would be untenable surely??

You'd think so, christ knows what's going on inside Faulkner's head? 
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on February 29, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
Alex McLeish maybe  many things, but I can't see him being a quitter. And fair play to him for that.
With that in mind, I am beginning to wonder whether Randy and Faulkner would have the balls to sack him if the next two games go against us.
When I say go against us I mean getting one point from the two games, which on current form I can see happening.
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Post by: TheSandman on February 29, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
But they won't. He's here to stay sadly.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 29, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on February 29, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
Alex McLeish maybe  many things, but I can't see him being a quitter. And fair play to him for that.
With that in mind, I am beginning to wonder whether Randy and Faulkner would have the balls to sack him if the next two games go against us.
When I say go against us I mean getting one point from the two games, which on current form I can see happening.

Not having a go at AM about this, but really, the "not a quitter" thing doesn't really work with managers these days.

They hardly ever do quit, they just wait to get sacked, as otherwise they'd lose out financially. I totally understand why they do that, though, I just think that respect for someone who doesnt walk out of a £3m a year job and thus protects their pay off compensation is pretty much empty.

I don't blame them, though, I'd do the same.
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Post by: villadelph on February 29, 2012, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on February 29, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
But they won't. He's here to stay sadly.


Unfortunately, this.. and I hate it, like every other villa supporter. Terrible appointment and blind faith.
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Post by: supertom on February 29, 2012, 05:44:48 PM
Yeah there's very little chance at this stage, that Randy will want to shit out more money to fire McLeish then hire Jose (what? I can dream can't I?). We spent so much on getting Martin out, Gerard out and then McLeish in. I think this is a situation where pig headedness will set in for Randy.

There may come that line crossing point when we're struggling, find ourselves in the drop zone but we don't have enough time left for any new man to have a fair shot at keeping us up. It happened at Newcastle with Shearer, even though he was also out of his depth anyhow.

If we're gonna sack McLeish then it's got to be in the next couple of games, or in the summer. Anything in between that (unless we're safe) is not a good idea. I think Randy will happily gamble on our 7 point cushion at this point. In 5 games time it might bite him in the arse, but I don't see him digging deep to make a change. That aside, who could take charge? We could get a temp to run the show, who knows his stuff, but there's the possibility of dinosauritus (Like GT 2). As for decent managers there's not really many available, nor even if we laid out the cash, any who'd switch jobs at this stage of a season.

It's painful.
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Post by: Matt C on February 29, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
He's going nowhere. Keep calm and carry on.
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Post by: ez on February 29, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 29, 2012, 05:17:46 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on February 29, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
Alex McLeish maybe  many things, but I can't see him being a quitter. And fair play to him for that.
With that in mind, I am beginning to wonder whether Randy and Faulkner would have the balls to sack him if the next two games go against us.
When I say go against us I mean getting one point from the two games, which on current form I can see happening.

Not having a go at AM about this, but really, the "not a quitter" thing doesn't really work with managers these days.

They hardly ever do quit, they just wait to get sacked, as otherwise they'd lose out financially. I totally understand why they do that, though, I just think that respect for someone who doesnt walk out of a £3m a year job and thus protects their pay off compensation is pretty much empty.

I don't blame them, though, I'd do the same.

If he knows he's not up to the job then he's not got the clubs best interests at heart by not quitting, only his own.
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Post by: woody4866 on February 29, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Matt C on February 29, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
He's going nowhere. Keep calm and carry on.
C`mon - own up

your Paul Faulkner
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 29, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 29, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Matt C on February 29, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
He's going nowhere. Keep calm and carry on.
C`mon - own up

your Paul Faulkner

His Paul Faulkner?
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Post by: Fergal on February 29, 2012, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on February 29, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on February 29, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Matt C on February 29, 2012, 06:02:10 PM
He's going nowhere. Keep calm and carry on.
C`mon - own up

your Paul Faulkner

His Paul Faulkner?
BE to the thread....
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Post by: Holte L2 on February 29, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
I've just worked out, if all season ticket holders were to have a whip round and pay Mcleish's contract up, let's say his compensation is 3m, it would costs 150 each? I think? Can someone set up a justgiving account?
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Post by: ROBBO on February 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
He's carrying out Lerners instructions, no players in and the highly paid wankers out, he could, with some cause say the best players were sold from under me the rest weren't good enough. I really cannot see us winning a game exept maybe Bolton, MCleish will be playing for draws for the rest of the season.
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Post by: ez on February 29, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
He's carrying out Lerners instructions, no players in and the highly paid wankers out, he could, with some cause say the best players were sold from under me the rest weren't good enough. I really cannot see us winning a game exept maybe Bolton, MCleish will be playing for draws for the rest of the season.

He said he wants to move us up the table. He won't do it with draws.
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Post by: villadelph on February 29, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: ez on February 29, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
He's carrying out Lerners instructions, no players in and the highly paid wankers out, he could, with some cause say the best players were sold from under me the rest weren't good enough. I really cannot see us winning a game exept maybe Bolton, MCleish will be playing for draws for the rest of the season.

He said he wants to move us up the table. He won't do it with draws.

Like anything McLeish says actually matters. He's an idiot.
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Post by: Shrek on February 29, 2012, 09:34:01 PM
I do love Randy Lerner's thinking.

"If we are in the same position this January as we were last January I'm not spending 18million on a striker, so I need a manager capable of dragging teams away from relegation on a small budget......."

Hmmm.. How about the man who has just relegated our arch rivals for the second time.


I can see why he is such a rich man.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 08:56:57 AM
Quote from: ez on February 29, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
He's carrying out Lerners instructions, no players in and the highly paid wankers out, he could, with some cause say the best players were sold from under me the rest weren't good enough. I really cannot see us winning a game exept maybe Bolton, MCleish will be playing for draws for the rest of the season.

He said he wants to move us up the table. He won't do it with draws.

He says lots of things, though.

He was telling us recently he's not negative and wants to play attacking football. It's just that there hasn't really been much to suggest that is really what he wants to do, or that he knows how to do it.
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Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2012, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on February 29, 2012, 02:37:57 PM
That's a great letter Mazrim, puts it all very well.  Perhaps we should all write similar to the club and they might get the message.  Love the use of the much under used "clagnut" later on as well althoguh never sure whether to spell it with a K or a C. 

We need one of these:

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll286/propforward/Stuff/Clag-gone-745254.jpg)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Merv on March 01, 2012, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 08:56:57 AM

He says lots of things, though.


He does. For example, after the Man City match, when asked how Villa can improve. "We just need to win a game," he said. Brilliant. Fingers crossed, eh?
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 01, 2012, 10:42:26 AM
I just can't see Lerner sacking him. Even if we go down. And I can't see McLeish walking away, he had balls of steel to take this job, why would he jack it in at the moment? He needs at least 1, maybe 2 seasons...
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Post by: Lee on March 01, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 08:56:57 AM
Quote from: ez on February 29, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 29, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
He's carrying out Lerners instructions, no players in and the highly paid wankers out, he could, with some cause say the best players were sold from under me the rest weren't good enough. I really cannot see us winning a game exept maybe Bolton, MCleish will be playing for draws for the rest of the season.

He said he wants to move us up the table. He won't do it with draws.

He says lots of things, though.

He was telling us recently he's not negative and wants to play attacking football. It's just that there hasn't really been much to suggest that is really what he wants to do, or that he knows how to do it.

He was also telling us what a great game the lads had against Man City and bemoaned that we lost Dunne so early in the game.
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Post by: mallo on March 01, 2012, 12:53:53 PM
Ok,

I've set this up
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/avfc
It's going through a review process for now but is live.
Shall we see how we get on?
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 01, 2012, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: mallo on March 01, 2012, 12:53:53 PM
Ok,

I've set this up
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/avfc
It's going through a review process for now but is live.
Shall we see how we get on?
First!!!!!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish, who has been under pressure from fans since his summer move from arch rivals Birmingham, has rejected claims his Premier League team plays negative football.

He said: "I have never put the shackles on the lads, never have done since the start of the season. Yes, I want them to get back and defend and help out other parts of the teams, just as every other major team in the world does.

"But I have never asked them not to go and score goals and play their best football."


Erm sure.....
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
Also whether he tells them to play negatively or not, putting Heskey on in midfield is going to make you negative.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 01, 2012, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: Fucking Eck on March 01, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
'"I have never put the shackles on the lads, never have done since the start of the season.''
The one thing I always thought about McLeish, he's got integrity.

How wrong I was, he's a fucking liar.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on March 01, 2012, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 01, 2012, 04:23:11 PM
Also whether he tells them to play negatively or not, putting Heskey on in midfield is going to make you negative.

exactly!  The guy is clueless
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Post by: jembob on March 01, 2012, 04:56:39 PM
The suggestion that McLeish sends his teams out with negative tactics implies that there is some degree of planning and organisation undertaken in preparation for a game. 
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Post by: Clampy on March 01, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
I honestly don't believe McLeish purposely sends us out to be defensive, i really don't. He maybe asks them to keep it tight and not give much away but i don't think he sends us out to draw games (Spurs away and Man City at home besides). I just don't think his teams have much of an idea how to attack. I don't remember him using wingers at Small Heath very much and he dose'nt seem to be using them here either. We had two decent chances in the whole game against Wigan and one of those was from a centre half. It's not good.
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Post by: villadelph on March 01, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
I am livid about McLeish's comments today. Absolutely fuming.

First of all, if you have to rebuke claims that you are a defensive manager, well then you're a defensive manager. We're not blind, it's plain to see that you can't organize an effective offensive scheme against the same opponents you've been "studying" for the last twenty odd years.

Secondly, if you're not telling them to go backwards then what are you telling them? Because its either what you're telling them isn't realistic or effective, or they're just blatantly ignoring you. Both of which are big issues for me.

Lastly, I have been hating myself for looking at the table so much. I have this weird inclination that if I just keep staring at the 6-8 range that we'll magically pop up there. McLeish has no idea what he's doing, and the players obviously aren't responding well to his tactics.

The man only has six wins. Six wins. Take a second and let that actually settle in. We have as many wins as Bolton. Any caretaker manager, any body at all could manage six wins. Half of the team sheets are self-explanatory. Put wingers on the wing, put forwards up top, abra cadabra!

Make it stop.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 01, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish, who has been under pressure from fans since his summer move from arch rivals Birmingham, has rejected claims his Premier League team plays negative football.

He said: "I have never put the shackles on the lads, never have done since the start of the season. Yes, I want them to get back and defend and help out other parts of the teams, just as every other major team in the world does.

"But I have never asked them not to go and score goals and play their best football."


Erm sure.....

Is he trying to deflect the blame to the players here to get himself off the hook?
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 01, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
I am livid about McLeish's comments today. Absolutely fuming.

First of all, if you have to rebuke claims that you are a defensive manager, well then you're a defensive manager. We're not blind, it's plain to see that you can't organize an effective offensive scheme against the same opponents you've been "studying" for the last twenty odd years.

Secondly, if you're not telling them to go backwards then what are you telling them? Because its either what you're telling them isn't realistic or effective, or they're just blatantly ignoring you. Both of which are big issues for me.

Lastly, I have been hating myself for looking at the table so much. I have this weird inclination that if I just keep staring at the 6-8 range that we'll magically pop up there. McLeish has no idea what he's doing, and the players obviously aren't responding well to his tactics.

The man only has six wins. Six wins. Take a second and let that actually settle in. We have as many wins as Bolton. Any caretaker manager, any body at all could manage six wins. Half of the team sheets are self-explanatory. Put wingers on the wing, put forwards up top, abra cadabra!

Make it stop.

Six wins. To put that in context, 6 in 26 (23%) is actually a worse record than Steve Keane, with 14 in 54 (26%). Draws he will almost certainly have many more so will be said to be better, but it is an appalling record, and the only reason we are not wading nose deep in shit it how poor the bottom 3-4 have been this season, but we are the closest to them!

The reason we have created so little in the last 2 - Ireland and NZogbia have been benched! Both played their part at Chelsea.... we won at Bolton by 2 wingers hurting them....

It is not rocket science, but we end up so narrow that the 3 man midfield never have an out ball.... Grrr.... so many problems! Have to stick with Ireland, NZogbia and Albrighton behind Gabby with Herd and Petrov with Garder coming into any of the central roles when needed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villadelph on March 01, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 06:29:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 01, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish, who has been under pressure from fans since his summer move from arch rivals Birmingham, has rejected claims his Premier League team plays negative football.

He said: "I have never put the shackles on the lads, never have done since the start of the season. Yes, I want them to get back and defend and help out other parts of the teams, just as every other major team in the world does.

"But I have never asked them not to go and score goals and play their best football."


Erm sure.....

Is he trying to deflect the blame to the players here to get himself off the hook?

That's what I'm saying. He is essentially stating that he cannot be held accountable for how the players actually play on the field. So the players are either unable to carry out his desired tactics or are they are just disregarding them.

Who is responsible for our style of play? I'm so confused Alex.
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Post by: villajk on March 01, 2012, 07:02:48 PM
From OS



By Paul Brown

Alex McLeish has urged the fans to put their personal grievances about his stewardship to one side and get right behind the team from now until the end of the season.

In the midst of Villa's second half attempts to secure victory at Wigan, McLeish took stick from travelling supporters.

The manager has called for the fans to, instead, get right behind the players at Blackburn as he looks to steer the side to safety in the Barclays Premier League.

McLeish believes that enthusiastic support takes on extra significance now, with previous peripheral players taking on the mantle from injured stars like Darren Bent and Richard Dunne as well as the departed Robbie Keane.

He said: "I've always said this season would be a tough challenge and that's the way it has panned out.

"At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the financial figures coming out and the fans showing a bit of dissent at the moment.

"But they have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt.

"I'd hate to think and it would be really disappointing if they didn't give the players on the field their absolute support.

"I ask them to put their grievances against me aside for 90 minutes and give those boys out there their support.

"That's first and foremost because they are fans who love the club and secondly because there will be extra responsibility on the players now asked to fill the huge gaps that Benty and Dunnie have left.

"Benty's injury was a huge blow on the back of losing Dunnie and Robbie.

"That's a huge blow to any team, losing three players of that experience, but I believe we've got the players who can see us okay for this season and we've got to build next season."

On the personal criticism he's received, he added: "It's never stopped me, I've never wavered in my commitment to Aston Villa in terms of helping the club, working with the club, and the course we are taking.

"Of course, I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me and it was easy to handle and there was no pressure whatever. That would be total fabrication.

"But I believe I'm strong enough and I've got the experience to handle it."

McLeish was talking as part of his press conference with AVTV at Bodymoor Heath.

As always AVTV were on hand to record the manager's comments and you can watch the video interview now.
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Post by: villajk on March 01, 2012, 07:03:32 PM
Oh, and nothing about fulham tickets at the bottom ;)
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Post by: Mister E on March 01, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
It is not personal Alex!
Just look at the stats and the videos of this season's games!!
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Post by: mallo on March 01, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
Ok the petition has been approved - tell your friends, mention it on facecloth and whitter - 5000 names would at least be a talking point, might get some publicity to elicit a reaction, which is all we can reasonably expect, but it's a start.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2012, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: EffDee on March 01, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
It is not personal Alex!
Just look at the stats and the videos of this season's games!!

It would be good to put that on paper and put it in front of him, because he seems to think it's the Birmingham thing as well.
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Post by: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
His comments today alone warrant his dismissal.

Is it time for another banner like the infamous 'we're not fickle...' ?
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/419267_247574468664048_2056635399_n.jpg)
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Post by: Stu on March 01, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
His comments today alone warrant his dismissal.

Is it time for another banner like the infamous 'we're not fickle...' ?

No, please, no banners. Lets just try and get through the season without that shite. I don't think I could handle my club being seen in any more of a negative light than it already is. Its really, *really* fucking getting me down.
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Post by: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 01, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
His comments today alone warrant his dismissal.

Is it time for another banner like the infamous 'we're not fickle...' ?

No, please, no banners. Lets just try and get through the season without that shite. I don't think I could handle my club being seen in any more of a negative light than it already is. Its really, *really* fucking getting me down.

Normally I'd agree with you but anything that gets the message across (and makes the point that it's not his blues background that's the problem) can only be a good thing.
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Post by: Clampy on March 01, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
It's a shame it's come down to this because he's a decent man who got offered a job he would have been stupid to turn down, but he should'nt have been offered it in the first place.
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 08:37:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 01, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
It's a shame it's come down to this because he's a decent man who got offered a job he would have been stupid to turn down, but he should'nt have been offered it in the first place.

Spot on.
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Post by: Villanation on March 01, 2012, 08:48:06 PM
Having read the press conference above I would say the situation is a lot graver than we think, if that was an assured manager with squad behind him he wouldn't come out with such a bleeding heart plea for the fans to get behind the team, to me it sounds like desperation, to actually state the fans should put there  grievances behind them and support the players, this says to me that any trust between McLeish and the players is paper thin, to lose the fan base would be enough to topple him, so he's using the "back the players" approach as a last desperate resort, lets face it, it wouldn't be the first time a manager has done this before getting the chop.

On the lighter side he claims to have the experience to handle this, that's funny, what he has experience of is relegation which is what we all feared when he took over that we would find ourselves in a position come the business end of the season where we need a manager that does have the experience to survive.

Wigan was a disaster, Blackburn is it, we lose that, the pressure to find points afterwards is nothing but scary.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 01, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
It's a shame it's come down to this because he's a decent man who got offered a job he would have been stupid to turn down, but he should'nt have been offered it in the first place.

Absolutely correct.

Sadly he looks more and more out of his depth.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 01, 2012, 08:57:56 PM
Do you know, I really hope Dave uses what I have sent him for the next issue as it has covered a lot of things mentioned on here recently.

I quite like Alex, just not his football.

I have always said, as someone who manages people, its bloody cruel to keep someone in a job that I and they know they can't do.

Much better to give them a job they are competent at and will be happy with. And that's how I see things at the Villa currently.
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Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
The thing that's annoying the most about everything he's saying is the amount of times he's repeated how hard a job it is, as if we're lucky he's done so well.

He's made it a tough job with poor training, terrible tactics and questionable purchases.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
His every interview is more damning than the last though, and it is a little like the final throws of O'Leary when it was obvious the players couldn't stand the pig-nosed numpty either. Trouble is, he was a better manager than bloody Eck....


Apologies to Legion!
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 09:01:56 PM
Pig-nosed numpty, please.
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Post by: villan1975 on March 01, 2012, 09:03:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 01, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
It's a shame it's come down to this because he's a decent man who got offered a job he would have been stupid to turn down, but he should'nt have been offered it in the first place.
I agree with you but also if you rearrange the letters it says "we don't want you solely because you came from the blues".
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Post by: Jimbo on March 01, 2012, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 01, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 01, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
His comments today alone warrant his dismissal.

Is it time for another banner like the infamous 'we're not fickle...' ?

No, please, no banners. Lets just try and get through the season without that shite. I don't think I could handle my club being seen in any more of a negative light than it already is. Its really, *really* fucking getting me down.

Normally I'd agree with you but anything that gets the message across (and makes the point that it's not his blues background that's the problem) can only be a good thing.

How about something like:

"It's not because you were SHA. It's because you are SHIT."
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
His every interview is more damning than the last though, and it is a little like the final throws of O'Leary when it was obvious the players couldn't stand the pig-nosed numpty either. Trouble is, he was a better manager than bloody Eck....


Apologies to Legion!

Problem is I can't see Randy sacking him and he really really has to.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
Any banner should read we don't want you cause your football is crap. If there are any f off bluenose banners I would be ashamed, but witty ones making it clear we think he is a turd of a manager I am all for.
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 09:07:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:00:49 PM
His every interview is more damning than the last though, and it is a little like the final throws of O'Leary when it was obvious the players couldn't stand the pig-nosed numpty either. Trouble is, he was a better manager than bloody Eck....


Apologies to Legion!

Much better.
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
Any banner should read we don't want you cause your football is crap. If there are any f off bluenose banners I would be ashamed, but witty ones making it clear we think he is a turd of a manager I am all for.

Leighton's was perfect. Both in the content and the timing.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 09:10:01 PM
It is remarkable, really.

He doesn't send them out to not attack, apparently. So, how does he explain performances like Tottenham away, where he hits on the magic idea of effectively playing six defenders? And that was far from the only game where we've seen such a lack of ambition.

It's absolutely fucking pathetic.

This bloke is stifling the life out of this club.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
I think the next 2-3 home games are going to be bad if we go behind. The screw has certainly turned on here.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2012, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2012, 09:10:01 PM
It is remarkable, really.

He doesn't send them out to not attack, apparently. So, how does he explain performances like Tottenham away, where he hits on the magic idea of effectively playing six defenders? And that was far from the only game where we've seen such a lack of ambition.

It's absolutely fucking pathetic.

This bloke is stifling the life out of this club.

That he is, the black cloud over the club is getting more and more formidable.
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on March 01, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
As much as i dont want to see mcleish managing us next season his latest interview is preety worrying. we can not afford at this stage of the season to have unrest. it seems he's lost the backing of the players and he's on his prayer mat to the fans. i think now it has hit him what a massive job he's taken on.all that aside we need to get behind the team for the remaining games and get those points on the board
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Post by: Legion on March 01, 2012, 09:19:04 PM
Fcuk him. I support Aston Villa, not the current manager. I want us to do well regardless.
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Post by: Ian. on March 01, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: HalesowenVilla on March 01, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
As much as i dont want to see mcleish managing us next season his latest interview is preety worrying. we can not afford at this stage of the season to have unrest. it seems he's lost the backing of the players and he's on his prayer mat to the fans. i think now it has hit him what a massive job he's taken on.all that aside we need to get behind the team for the remaining games and get those points on the board
Sorry what interview was this? I must have missed it, where is it saying about losing the players backing?
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on March 01, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
His latest press conference. he's not going to come out and say he's lost the dressing room. but what he says sounds like a desperate man holding on for his life not a man capable of getting us out the mess he's got us in
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 01, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
There seemed an air of desperation in the interview that I haven't sensed from him before. I cannot believe thats just due to the crowd reaction at Wigan or fansite polls showing 80% plus wanting him out at the moment. Has something from above been said to him ?
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Post by: HalesowenVilla on March 01, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
I wonder if his trip to america was more than a look round the nfl
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Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
He has a win percentage of 23% in the league. That is bloody awful. If something has not been said to him from above then I would be amazed.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 01, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
McLeish started off talking a good game and it was good to hear a manager actually being pleased to be in charge for us for once but the last few weeks the soundites have become very O'drearyesque.

To me, if the team keep on playing the same boring way despite his claims, then that indicates the training sessions aren't good enough and we aren't working on our weaknesses. So aswell as McLeish I'm looking at Peter Grant here aswell.

I'm trying to think back but I'm sure at Scotland McLeish had Roy Aitken and Andy Watson (bald guy) as his assistants. Watson went with him to SHA and along the line Grant turned up.

I always wondered how come Watson didn't come with him here? Was it one of the conditions SHA set out? I don't even know if he's still at SHA?

I don't know if the football would've been better as a result but by all accounts Andy Watson is a highly rated coach....and Peter Grant isn't. Had a similar win record to McLeish at Norwich.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 01, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
O.k just checked....Peter Grant was appointed first team coach of SHA in July 2010....opps.

And Andy Watson has been McLeish's assistant at Hibs, Motherwell, Rangers, Scotland, SHA but not here. He's still at SHA as assistant apparently so SHA must have put a clause in the compensation deal banning us from poaching him aswell.
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Post by: paul_e on March 01, 2012, 11:39:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 01, 2012, 10:24:26 PM
He has a win percentage of 23% in the league. That is bloody awful. If something has not been said to him from above then I would be amazed.

His overall win% as a premier league manager (including a season where he somehow got blues to 9th) is 25% (with the leftover evenly split between draws and defeats), so what we're getting is only marginally worse than his record suggested was likely.
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Post by: olaftab on March 01, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
The pressure is building upon McLeish and that's not not for our club. The only way he will get sacked is if we get relegated. I don't want that and I don't think we will . So I am afraid we have him for at least another season. That would be another two years wasted in the history of Aston Villa.
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Post by: villadelph on March 01, 2012, 11:50:23 PM
SHOW YOUR FACE RANDY LERNER, YOU COWARD.
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Post by: Mazrim on March 02, 2012, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: villadelph on March 01, 2012, 11:50:23 PM
SHOW YOUR FACE RANDY LERNER, YOU COWARD.

Steady on.
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Post by: steffo on March 02, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
As i have posted on here before. Kevin Phillips told a group of us Villa fans that 'we were in for a long hard season' - ' He likes compact narrow football'.

He will not change his spots. If we still had Young and Downing - he would play young in the hole and draw Downing in and narrow. Would Ron Saunders have set Tony Morley out to defend?

I sometimes think he has told his wingers that the area between the 18 yard box and corner flag has been mined. We NEVER get to the byline.
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Post by: villadelph on March 02, 2012, 12:44:00 AM
Quote from: steffo on March 02, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
As i have posted on here before. Kevin Phillips told a group of us Villa fans that 'we were in for a long hard season' - ' He likes compact narrow football'.

He will not change his spots. If we still had Young and Downing - he would play young in the hole and draw Downing in and narrow. Would Ron Saunders have set Tony Morley out to defend?

I sometimes think he has told his wingers that the area between the 18 yard box and corner flag has been mined. We NEVER get to the byline.

Heskey and Ireland aren't exactly known for their driving runs towards the corner flag, but Eck puts them out on the wing anyway. You know who makes running past defenders look easy and can actually get to the byline, Charles N'Zogbia. He's about as useful as Bent right now with this airhead at the helm.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 02, 2012, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: villadelph on March 02, 2012, 12:44:00 AM
Quote from: steffo on March 02, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
As i have posted on here before. Kevin Phillips told a group of us Villa fans that 'we were in for a long hard season' - ' He likes compact narrow football'.

He will not change his spots. If we still had Young and Downing - he would play young in the hole and draw Downing in and narrow. Would Ron Saunders have set Tony Morley out to defend?

I sometimes think he has told his wingers that the area between the 18 yard box and corner flag has been mined. We NEVER get to the byline.

Heskey and Ireland aren't exactly known for their driving runs towards the corner flag, but Eck puts them out on the wing anyway. You know who makes running past defenders look easy and can actually get to the byline, Charles N'Zogbia. He's about as useful as Bent right now with this airhead at the helm.

I reckon Alan Hutton has been our most effective player going froward and getting to the byline. Which says it all really.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish insists he has no intention of walking away from what he describes as his "biggest test in football".

The Scot heard some Villa fans calling for him to go during their side's 0-0 draw away at Wigan last Saturday, while the Midlands club recently announced a loss of nearly £54million for 2010-11.

McLeish knew he would have to win the majority of fans over after arriving at Villa Park from city rivals Birmingham City in the summer.

But the former Rangers boss is still determined to be a success in his current job and has asked the supporters to give him time to try and turn their fortunes around.

"Is this my biggest test in football? Yes, it probably would be," he admitted.

"I want a bit of respite and I know how hard I work here. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."
Alex McLeish
Quotes of the week
"Rangers was a very tough challenge as well because they expect to win every single week, every single game. It was a different kind of challenge there, if you like.

"There was a spell at Rangers when we weren't winning and again it was difficult with the finances at times.

"We offloaded a lot of quality players one summer and we didn't really do the right thing replacing all of them but then, the next season, we did and it was all rosy in the garden again.

"I knew when I came to Villa that there were going to be some demanding times ahead and that changing the squad around would take time.

"But I took the challenge up and I'm certainly not going to quit it now.

"I want a bit of respite and I know how hard I work here. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."

Pressure

In terms of coping with the pressure and the negative reaction of fans, McLeish said: "I know you wouldn't like it! Until you have walked in another man's shoes you don't know what it feels like.

"By the same token I don't know what pressure you (the media) are under so I have to respect what you guys are doing.

"I am used to this business and while no manager will say it (having the fans against you) is not a problem, of course it is. But my goal is to make the Villa fans happy."

Villa head to Blackburn this weekend and McLeish acknowledges that it is results - not performances - that matter most at this stage of the season.

"It would be a major disappointment if the fans were to affect the players. We are in the business of results and we need to get results," he added.

"We can play all the good football we want but, if we don't win, the fans will still be unhappy."


Taken from Sky Sports.....

He is digging at the fans who IMO have been amazingly patient so far and only really had a go in 1 game, which is incredible given the performance levels in many of the games. The final sentence says much though, and it also shows he is totally pig headed and won't take on board anything that the fans are actually upset about it. Not good. Clueless.
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Post by: Ian. on March 02, 2012, 07:40:34 AM
This bit is worrying "We can play all the good football we want but, if we don't win, the fans will still be unhappy." We had a spell before and just after Christmas where we did try and play football but Lady Luck was not our side and we should have got more points than we deserved during this period.

Does this mean he tried it, it didn't work, now revert to type? Well I hope not because that is not working either.

I was becoming quite optimistic during that period of his managerial reign here and I thought the signs were positive. We had a few blips in halves against Wolves and QPR but that can happen while trying to adjust to a new system. We actually played Arsenal and Chelsea of the pitch so we can do it.

We need to go out and try and play football and also more importantly go out and try and win games. Then the fans might be happy.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 02, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
He's really starting to talk some shit, such as

"I want a bit of respite and I know how hard I work here. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."
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Post by: Jimbo on March 02, 2012, 07:53:26 AM
I think he's desperate to tell us "You don't know what I've been told to do here" but he's not going about it very well. Shades of O'Leary, but the old sugar bag was probably a better manager.
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Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2012, 08:01:06 AM
Quote from: Legion on March 01, 2012, 08:15:06 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/419267_247574468664048_2056635399_n.jpg)
I laughed out loud at that!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 02, 2012, 08:06:53 AM
To be fair i don't think anyone's listening. When your given  a minus fifteen million transfer budget to work with in the summer it should have been obvious to everyone he was gonna struggle to even come near to GH's league finish. Don't think even DOL got that sort of budget
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2012, 08:45:12 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 02, 2012, 07:49:23 AM
He's really starting to talk some shit, such as

"I want a bit of respite and I know how hard I work here. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."


I struggle to think of many who could do much worse. His results and football have been fucking atrocious. He's completely irrational now, so time to go.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
I can think of a lot of people that could have done a better job, For one and it fucking pains me to say it, Martin O'Neill
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
In fact im sure me and some of my mates could do a better job than the ******
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 02, 2012, 09:10:09 AM
well its mainly his shite buys so you would hope so. Bottom line is we're not going to get anyone much better than Mcleish. Our expections of a new guy don't match up with Lerner's shortlist, which seems to be based almost entirely on how desperate they are for a job - hell, this is the position that MartineZ went "shit, I'm not that mad" to - so a very very average manager with nowt to spent. Sound familiar?
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Post by: Eigentor on March 02, 2012, 09:13:18 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
In fact im sure me and some of my mates could do a better job than the c***

This is going too far. There are several managers who would have done an even worse job than McLeish. I agree that he's not impressive. But while we have some talented players, the squad is a hodge-podge of individuals and not easy to mould into a team. We are extremely weak in central midfield, and that works against us almost every single PL match. I'd say that only very talented manager would have taken this squad into the top eight (probably a manager that's so talented that he would not have accepted the job).
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Post by: pedro25 on March 02, 2012, 09:21:28 AM
Does he honestly think no other Premier League manager could get our squad higher than 15th, when we have had the likes of Bent, Gabby, Ireland, Dunne, Given, N'Zogbia, Keane, Petrov, Albrighton etc available?  He's on a different planet.
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Post by: Damo70 on March 02, 2012, 10:00:56 AM
He said that not a lot of managers could do a lot better job than he is doing at the moment. So he seems to accept that some managers could do a somewhat better job. But I still don't think we would gain by sacking him now. Does anyone think Wolves chances of staying up have dramatically improved by replacing McCarthy with Connor? Even QPR will continue to struggle until Hughes has a full pre-season there. As for people questioning why Andy Watson didn't come with him from Blues, I heard they fell out because AM kept Watson in the dark over his Villa talks and eventual move.
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Post by: Merv on March 02, 2012, 10:11:12 AM
Rather predictably, he's playing the 'I know the fans don't like me but please support the team,' card. Which misses the point; we're unhappy because of what we're seeing from the team, and he's responsible for that. It's not personal.

Very worrying, his latest quotes. Do Ireland, Albrighton, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Bannan purposefully go out and curb their natural game? Or, if they're not fulfilling the manager's instructions - to play more positively, apparently - why are they not listening to him?

McLeish is beginning to distance himself from all responsibility; it's a tough job (one of the toughest in football, apparently), the club is struggling financially, the players aren't playing. He has to take some responsibility for that. He's beginning to sound very much like one of his predecessors.

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Post by: jembob on March 02, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
I can think of a lot of people that could have done a better job, For one and it fucking pains me to say it, Martin O'Neill

MON only had Plan A but at least he had a plan. I think that virtually all of the other managers in the PL would have done better than McLeish. For starters he arrived with too much baggage and secondly, he just doesn't seem to have a clue how to get his teams doing the most basic of things.

I can barely bring myself to listen to his press conferences now. He's a dead man walking and it makes me cringe to listen to the crap which he comes out with. It really quite embarrassing.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on March 01, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
The pressure is building upon McLeish and that's not not for our club. The only way he will get sacked is if we get relegated. I don't want that and I don't think we will . So I am afraid we have him for at least another season. That would be another two years wasted in the history of Aston Villa.

spot on . Its not fun supporting Villa at the moment and another season of this dire rubbish and the crowds will be lower next season.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2012, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."



get this clown out now !!!!
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Post by: Lee on March 02, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: jembob on March 02, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 08:57:45 AM
I can think of a lot of people that could have done a better job, For one and it fucking pains me to say it, Martin O'Neill

MON only had Plan A but at least he had a plan. I think that virtually all of the other managers in the PL would have done better than McLeish. For starters he arrived with too much baggage and secondly, he just doesn't seem to have a clue how to get his teams doing the most basic of things.

I can barely bring myself to listen to his press conferences now. He's a dead man walking and it makes me cringe to listen to the crap which he comes out with. It really quite embarrassing.

Those words "Dead man Walking"  are being used a lot these days to AMc
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Post by: Reuben on March 02, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."



Sooty has a magic wand
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 02, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Reuben on March 02, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."



Sooty has a magic wand

Never liked Sooty.
Always whispering in Mr Corbett's ear.

If you've got something to say, say it to all of us you c***.
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Post by: Monty on March 02, 2012, 12:39:25 PM
This notion he subscribes to that "results matter more than performances" is such an odd one. Yes, we can all point to times when teams win against the run of play, or snatch draws when the opposition out-perform them, but by and large the team who plays better on the day will win. That's what all the teams at the top have in common - they tend to dominate games and win them. We could control more games, with our technically gifted players you could argue we should be, and thus win more games AND be more entertaining, because actually the two usually go hand in hand. (Also, as an aside, you can control the games without the ball if you're brilliant at counter-attacking. 1-0 up under MON, the opposition are attacking but you control the game because of your attacking threat. Which, incidentally, is pretty entertaining.)

This idea that you can't rely on controlling games to win them, which in reality apply the vast minority of the time, is really pathetic and typically passive. It shows up how little he believes in himself, how he isn't brave enough to be proactive. He is regressive, out of his depth and inadequate. He needs to go.
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 02, 2012, 12:47:41 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on March 02, 2012, 10:00:56 AM
He said that not a lot of managers could do a lot better job than he is doing at the moment. So he seems to accept that some managers could do a somewhat better job. But I still don't think we would gain by sacking him now. Does anyone think Wolves chances of staying up have dramatically improved by replacing McCarthy with Connor? Even QPR will continue to struggle until Hughes has a full pre-season there. As for people questioning why Andy Watson didn't come with him from Blues, I heard they fell out because AM kept Watson in the dark over his Villa talks and eventual move.
you got to love our under the table tactics to get the shittest manager possible. Well done team.
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Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2012, 02:25:32 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 02, 2012, 12:39:25 PM
This notion he subscribes to that "results matter more than performances" is such an odd one. Yes, we can all point to times when teams win against the run of play, or snatch draws when the opposition out-perform them, but by and large the team who plays better on the day will win. That's what all the teams at the top have in common - they tend to dominate games and win them. We could control more games, with our technically gifted players you could argue we should be, and thus win more games AND be more entertaining, because actually the two usually go hand in hand. (Also, as an aside, you can control the games without the ball if you're brilliant at counter-attacking. 1-0 up under MON, the opposition are attacking but you control the game because of your attacking threat. Which, incidentally, is pretty entertaining.)

This idea that you can't rely on controlling games to win them, which in reality apply the vast minority of the time, is really pathetic and typically passive. It shows up how little he believes in himself, how he isn't brave enough to be proactive. He is regressive, out of his depth and inadequate. He needs to go.
Well argued re perofrmance and results - let's now look at these results of his: oh, a 23% win rate?
does he really think that's good enough?
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 02, 2012, 03:23:49 PM
Sack mcleish and get Cowans and K mac until the end of the season, its simple really
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 02, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Reuben on March 02, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."



Sooty has a magic wand

Never liked Sooty.
Always whispering in Mr Corbett's ear.

If you've got something to say, say it to all of us you c***.

Ah that made me chuckle.
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 02, 2012, 04:40:15 PM
Just read a few articles on tea talk from him. He lives in fantasy land. How depressing that he's our manager. I think fans of other clubs should protest for the greater good just so nobody ever has tO witness his dire football.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
The useless lump has been bleating about how wonderful his relationship with Randy is and how much he is looking forward to putting his own stamp on the squad this summer. God fucking help us!
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Post by: bertlambshank on March 02, 2012, 06:09:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
The useless lump has been bleating about how wonderful his relationship with Randy is and how much he is looking forward to putting his own stamp on the squad this summer. God fucking help us!
How is he gonna do that, Is Randy selling a kidney to fund it?
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Post by: garyshawsknee on March 02, 2012, 06:13:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
The useless lump has been bleating about how wonderful his relationship with Randy is and how much he is looking forward to putting his own stamp on the squad this summer. God fucking help us!

They'll have to bring in extra staff during the summer to cope with the mad rush for season tickets.
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Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
Quote from: Reuben on March 02, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 07:21:44 AM
. I've not got a magic wand and I don't think there are a lot of managers who could do a lot better than the job I am doing just now."



Sooty has a magic wand
And a hand up his arse.
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Post by: caster troy on March 02, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2012, 06:02:08 PM
The useless lump has been bleating about how wonderful his relationship with Randy is and how much he is looking forward to putting his own stamp on the squad this summer. God fucking help us!

Terrifying. If he stays I am going to ignore football entirely for a season and pray that when he finally leaves we are still in the Premier league.
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Post by: ez on March 02, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2012, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on March 01, 2012, 11:46:42 PM
The pressure is building upon McLeish and that's not not for our club. The only way he will get sacked is if we get relegated. I don't want that and I don't think we will . So I am afraid we have him for at least another season. That would be another two years wasted in the history of Aston Villa.

spot on . Its not fun supporting Villa at the moment and another season of this dire rubbish and the crowds will be lower next season.

He doesn't help himself. I'm confident that had we took the game to Wigan we would have won. They are rubbish. Three points would have relieved some pressure but now we are a bit more desperate for a win.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 02, 2012, 06:52:15 PM
Article below

one alex ,dont tell us how to support our team we have done it for a while

two alex .if you are not telling the players to go out and play negative it is not working wouldnt you say

three alex alot didnt want you to come but gave you a chance 6 wins in 28 i think we are done

From the mail



ALEX McLeish has urged the angry claret and blue boo-boys to put their grievances with him aside and support their club this weekend.

Villa’s boss was the target of a series of anti-McLeish chants in the first show of public dissent from the away fans at Wigan last Saturday.

McLeish has also dismissed accusations of boring football, claiming: “I don’t say to players ‘Go and play negatively, go and pass the ball back’.’’

His comments come ahead of tomorrow’s trip to Blackburn with Villa hoping to ease their own relegation fears by beating Steve Kean’s strugglers.

McLeish admits it has been a tough week for Villa with fans venting their frustrations and the club posting record £54 million losses for 2010-11.

“At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the figures coming in and the fans showing a bit of dissent,” he said.

“A few never really fancied me coming in in the first place.

“They have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt



Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/02/alex-mcleish-tells-villa-boo-boys-forget-jeering-me-cheer-the-players-instead-97319-30442984/#ixzz1nzDvguL7
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Monty on March 02, 2012, 06:59:15 PM
My God he just doesn't get it at all. Sometimes on a football pitch you have to go back to go forwards. His thinking that a single step backwards is somehow more negative than an aimless boof to the, you know, opposition for them to attack you is just amateurish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 02, 2012, 08:09:41 PM


“At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the figures coming in and the fans showing a bit of dissent,” he said.

“A few never really fancied me coming in in the first place''

“They have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt''

Can't really argue with that. Supporting the team must come first.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Eigentor on March 02, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 02, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
“At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the figures coming in and the fans showing a bit of dissent,” he said.

“A few never really fancied me coming in in the first place''

“They have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt''

Can't really argue with that. Supporting the team must come first.

It's not a smart thing to say, though. In fact, despite his numerous PR gaffes Houllier was more clever saying that the manager isn't important, but the team is.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 02, 2012, 08:19:25 PM
He needs to play it a bit cannier, starting to blame the fans for not getting behind the team? Thank fothat Eck.
Not a magician? Well we should get someone who is then!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Ads on March 02, 2012, 08:24:26 PM
He's right we should be giving our full and unconditional support tomorrow during the game. But we should reserve the right to grumble like mad if we put in another limp dick, piss poor performanceas we meander back up the big hill on the way home.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 02, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
“At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the figures coming in and the fans showing a bit of dissent,” he said.
“A few never really fancied me coming in in the first place''
“They have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt''
Can't really argue with that. Supporting the team must come first.
You're right, DC5, except that he is beginning to use the "a few never really fancied me" as a bit of an excuse. It'll be his constructive-dismissal line when it happens.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: timeoutbigbar on March 02, 2012, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: EffDee on March 02, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 02, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
“At the moment it is a bit gloomy with the figures coming in and the fans showing a bit of dissent,” he said.
“A few never really fancied me coming in in the first place''
“They have to get right behind every player that wears that Villa shirt''
Can't really argue with that. Supporting the team must come first.
You're right, DC5, except that he is beginning to use the "a few never really fancied me" as a bit of an excuse. It'll be his constructive-dismissal line when it happens.

I don't care what line he uses, just so long as he is dismissed in the near future.  Not that it will happen though..
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: TheSandman on March 02, 2012, 08:54:08 PM
My prediction is:

Stay up this season, keep him on for next season, relegated next.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2012, 09:32:43 PM
Well If we do go down , you can imagine Paul ' McLeish' Daniels coming out with ' any team that loses Darren Bent would find it hard to stay in the premiership '   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 02, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
If he is still here next year, and that's what is coming out of the club, they can fuck themselves for my money.

Its not his fault but its like asking a fish to ride a bicycle.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: hawkeye on March 02, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
He is sounding and looking pretty desperate now. We are a couple of injuries and results away from a crisis. Its a well known fact that most people revert to type when under pressure so you know what the rest of the season looks like.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villadelph on March 02, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 02, 2012, 11:11:09 PM
He is sounding and looking pretty desperate now. We are a couple of injuries and results away from a crisis. Its a well known fact that most people revert to type when under pressure so you know what the rest of the season looks like.

Well, get used to it because that's life for the next year and a half.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Simba on March 03, 2012, 12:04:26 AM
I'd like to see averyone at VP with a bloody magic wand pointing at the 'wizard's sleeve' we have as a manager and shouting exitamus or something... Perhaps he will go up in smoke.

Dumbledore McLeish. All we need.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: FrankyH on March 03, 2012, 12:17:55 AM
The excuses for players not performing are ringing a bit hollow and seem to be a recurring theme.

I expect the post match interview about Heskey's poor performance  will be excused because he has been worried all week because he took his library books back late.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: tricky59 on March 03, 2012, 07:28:51 AM
Don't know if it's ever been mentioned before here, but has anyone checked out how well/badly Villa have done under Scottish managers since the 1930's.  It does not make for good reading, unfortunately, AM is just following the trend.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Shrek on March 03, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
There seems to be so many fans on here and on twitter that are against protesting or banners. But what else should be done?
We can't just except what is going on, it's like people are willing to except anything no matter what happens.

It's going to be a massive shock the summer if Mcleish is still here, I'd rather act now and keep the fans we have, because once they stop coming its a lot harder to attract them back.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Rigadon on March 03, 2012, 08:06:17 AM
Quote from: Shrek on March 03, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
There seems to be so many fans on here and on twitter that are against protesting or banners. But what else should be done?
We can't just except what is going on, it's like people are willing to except anything no matter what happens.

It's going to be a massive shock the summer if Mcleish is still here, I'd rather act now and keep the fans we have, because once they stop coming its a lot harder to attract them back.

Protesting against an oppressive government or against some form of cruelty / inequality is just, brave and absolutely needed in a democracy.  Protesting about Alex McLeish is a not.

Really, in an economy like this (or any other) is it really right to campaigning to get a bloke the sack?  He may well be incompetent, but a 'sugar-bag' he aint. 

As for enticing the fans back, start winning games and the crowds turn up, it really is as simple as that.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 03, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
All very noble but we are stumping up good, and harder earned, money to watch his drab shite. And we'll all be stumping up long after he's gone

He's got some front, I'll give him that, given the players at his disposal I don't think there are too many that would be doing a worse job.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Rigadon on March 03, 2012, 08:34:46 AM
Peter, to answer the original thread question, he should go after this season.  Protesting for his sacking 'NOW!' is absurd IMO. 

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 03, 2012, 08:39:19 AM
Talking of magic, we've ha someone join our department called Merlin. Wanted to modify their lab coat to have Hugh fuck-off wizard sleeves.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Fergal on March 03, 2012, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on March 03, 2012, 08:06:17 AM
Quote from: Shrek on March 03, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
There seems to be so many fans on here and on twitter that are against protesting or banners. But what else should be done?
We can't just except what is going on, it's like people are willing to except anything no matter what happens.

It's going to be a massive shock the summer if Mcleish is still here, I'd rather act now and keep the fans we have, because once they stop coming its a lot harder to attract them back.

Protesting against an oppressive government or against some form of cruelty / inequality is just, brave and absolutely needed in a democracy.  Protesting about Alex McLeish is a not.

Really, in an economy like this (or any other) is it really right to campaigning to get a bloke the sack?  He may well be incompetent, but a 'sugar-bag' he aint. 

As for enticing the fans back, start winning games and the crowds turn up, it really is as simple as that.
He is hardly going to struggle to pay his bills.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 03, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 02, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
If he is still here next year, and that's what is coming out of the club, they can fuck themselves for my money.

Its not his fault but its like asking a fish to ride a bicycle.
I've had enough anyway, no renewal for me for the first time in years.
I'll pick and choose games from then on.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: ez on March 03, 2012, 10:58:06 AM
I stopped renewing a few years ago and having freed up the extra money and valuable leisure time i can't see myself buying another season ticket. Its nice to have a choice whether i go or not whereas before i felt obliged because i'd paid for it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
Next season I'm probably just going to take advantage of all the offers and deals they have on as I'll be better off than buying a ST.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 03, 2012, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Legion on March 03, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
Next season I'm probably just going to take advantage of all the offers and deals they have on as I'll be better off than buying a ST.
It would be interesting to see how that works out. I keep meaning to add up all the cheap offers but always forget. Particularly valuable info when comparing like for like seats.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: villajk on March 03, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Alex McLeish is on the hunt for a bargain
Saturday 3rd March 2012, 10:59AM GMT.



Alex McLeish today revealed Villa have begun scouring the globe for the best players available on free transfers but insisted there will be money to spend in the summer.

The Villa boss has spoken with Randy Lerner during the American owner’s frequent visits over the past few weeks to formulate his plan to rebuild the squad for next season.

A number of the club’s out-of-contract players will leave Villa Park when their deals expire at the end of the season which will free up further space on the wage bill.

Financial prudence is still the watchword for the Scot although he confirmed that he will have a transfer budget at his disposal.

“We have already made some plans to bring some players in,” said McLeish.

“We’ve looked at a lot of players that we have a good chance of bringing to the club. Bosman signings but of a good quality.

“It is necessary to do the homework right now because we are being prudent. And that is why we have tried to scout as many good Bosmans as we can.

“But there are targets as well that cost money. I am sure the chairman would do massive wages again as long as it was kept inside the framework and parameters.

“I can assure the fans we will be in the market for players who cost money but we only be targeting a couple of those types of players.”



Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/03/03/alex-mcleish-is-on-the-hunt-for-a-bargain/#ixzz1o3OKwTqY
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 03, 2012, 12:53:15 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on March 03, 2012, 08:39:19 AM
Talking of magic, we've ha someone join our department called Merlin. Wanted to modify their lab coat to have Hugh fuck-off wizard sleeves.

American?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 02, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
If he is still here next year, and that's what is coming out of the club, they can fuck themselves for my money.

Its not his fault but its like asking a fish to ride a bicycle.
I've had enough anyway, no renewal for me for the first time in years.
I'll pick and choose games from then on.

Me too.

It's going to be a struggle to afford the ST, and to be honest, what I get out of it doesn't really make the struggle worth it. Another season of dross football doesn't in any way make up for the cash to buy into it.

I'll do 2 or 3 matches a season on cheap deals, I think.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Fergal on March 03, 2012, 02:12:02 PM
Should we reset the Poll after today's game?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Smoke on March 03, 2012, 05:37:19 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on March 03, 2012, 02:12:02 PM
Should we reset the Poll after today's game?
YES
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2012, 05:38:07 PM
Give me a minute.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
And I repeat until it happens, he has to go another bad result today. 6 wins in 27 is diafuckingbolical, Randy for fucks sake do something.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: DB on March 03, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
I see no reason that this situation will improve, nothing he is doing or has done in the past points that way. He basically is a poor manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

35 say sack
5 (Chris Smith and his lodgers, David O'Leary and family) say stay
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Where is Chris actually I haven't seen any posts from him for ages?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
What was the final stat before reset?


He should walk. His record is WORSE than Steve Kean in terms of a win ratio, with better players! Less goals too!


He is a complete plank, and his half time team talk today must have been a fucking theatrical masterpiece to conjure the turd like shite that was vomited onto the pitch second half. Listening to him is getting almost as nauseating as watching 2 girls and a bloody cup.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2012, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
What was the final stat before reset?


He should walk. His record is WORSE than Steve Kean in terms of a win ratio, with better players! Less goals too!


He is a complete plank, and his half time team talk today must have been a fucking theatrical masterpiece to conjure the turd like shite that was vomited onto the pitch second half. Listening to him is getting almost as nauseating as watching 2 girls and a bloody cup.

Around 160 yes, 30 no.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2012, 05:49:22 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 03, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Alex McLeish is on the hunt for a bargain
Saturday 3rd March 2012, 10:59AM GMT.
The Villa boss has spoken with Randy Lerner during the American owner’s frequent visits over the past few weeks to formulate his plan to rebuild the squad for next season.

Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/03/03/alex-mcleish-is-on-the-hunt-for-a-bargain/#ixzz1o3OKwTqY

When has Randy been over in the last few weeks? As far as I'm aware he was over for Citeh and then Alex flew over to Cleveland to swap ideas with his Browns counterpart.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:52:06 PM
I usually would say give the guy a season but i think McLeish is an exceptional case (in a bad way). I think he could be gone on Monday.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 05:53:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
What was the final stat before reset?


He should walk. His record is WORSE than Steve Kean in terms of a win ratio, with better players! Less goals too!


He is a complete plank, and his half time team talk today must have been a fucking theatrical masterpiece to conjure the turd like shite that was vomited onto the pitch second half. Listening to him is getting almost as nauseating as watching 2 girls and a bloody cup.

Made me chuckle, but sadly it is true he absolutely has to go. The board have to act before it's too late, our results have been atrocious.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:52:06 PM
I usually would say give the guy a season but i think McLeish is an exceptional case (in a bad way). I think he could be gone on Monday.

Come on Father Christmas please don't give us false hope.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay
Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:04:39 PM


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
It's so obvious with every game that he should go, it is just so depressing. It will not get better and even if we scrape survival and that is by no means guaranteed it'll be the same next year and the only difference is we'll have wasted any money on offer. We are fucking gash, Mcleish is useless and nothing will change until our incompetent board understands they've back the wrong horse and they pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Smoke on March 03, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
I genuinely believe we would be getting better results without a manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: bilsim on March 03, 2012, 06:06:34 PM
I wanted McLeish to be a success here, I really really did. I don't care where he came from, I don't care that he plays a more defensive style of football and I don't care that we're not top six challengers this year, but failing to take anything but 6 points from the bottom two clubs is unacceptable, our home from is unacceptable, our inability to defend is unacceptable and for him to say that no other manager could do better with his resources is an insult to every single one of us.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
It would be very difficult to get much worse, 6 wins from 27 says it all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 06:08:24 PM
get the fuck out.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay
Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
It was only 45 minutes of crap.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
I have been in the camp that wants to see him have a chance next season but he has too much to do to change things. He has too many people to win over and it is not going to happen. I'm beginning to believe as well that the emphasis on 'holding out' is too strong and it does not work.
We can play football, we did today but we can not play football for 90 minutes and we do not have the bottle to stand our ground and soak up pressure which has to stem from belief from the boss.

The worrying thing is every one of our players are guilty of either not defending too well or not taking there chances at the other end. Far too many mistakes are happening.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay
Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
It was only 45 minutes of crap.
That makes it alright then.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay

Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
It was only 45 minutes of crap.
That makes it alright then.

Does it?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
My worry is that even if they get rid of him the next bloke will have to opperate on a shoestring, they will fuck up the appointment and we will be in the same situation next season-depressing
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay

Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
It was only 45 minutes of crap.
That makes it alright then.

Does it?
Of course it doesn't
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 06:24:08 PM
They also need to get a 'football man' on the board to provide proper advice. If Faulkner is good at dealing with the commercial aspects then good, but he clearly doesn't get the football side.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 03, 2012, 06:24:32 PM
Where is Chris Smith?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 03, 2012, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
My worry is that even if they get rid of him the next bloke will have to opperate on a shoestring, they will fuck up the appointment and we will be in the same situation next season-depressing
A good Manager can make the best of what he has if he has the qualities of leadership, tactical nous and guile.

The current arsehead has none of these traits, our quality players are being shackled by the dreary safety first method that he honed at the Dog Shit.

But you're right that Lerner and co. are too stupid to appoint the right person.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Top Cat on March 03, 2012, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
My worry is that even if they get rid of him the next bloke will have to opperate on a shoestring, they will fuck up the appointment and we will be in the same situation next season-depressing

My thoughts.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mr-villa on March 03, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Does anybody think our current points/league position would have been any worse had we just kept Gary Mac at the end of last season, after all it was he who presided over our very good end to last season.  Why did the board not give him a chance? I do not understand why the board felt that Alex was a stronger candidate than Gary Mac can anybody make a case for why they would reach that conclusion?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: SX150 on March 03, 2012, 06:29:47 PM
Lets not get carried away, we were just unlucky again today. ;)
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2012, 06:29:55 PM
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Louzie0 on March 03, 2012, 06:36:25 PM
I've just gone over to the dark side.  Sorry, Alex. You've done your best, I don't doubt that, but I'm thinking, damage limitation.

 :(

As long as KMc can get the lads playing right through a match, we should be all right. 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Mr Diggles on March 03, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job.  However, I personally don't think Lerner or Faulkner would make a decent appointment following that anyway. It's an unholy mess, and the only saving grace at the moment is that we are not being talked of as being in the relegation fight. Yet. I think that will change over the next few months though given our run in.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on March 03, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job. 

Why should he? Who walks away from a job because they aren't up to it? He has done very well for himself. He got himself a great job with good pay. The people to blame are the people who appointed him. They are the only ones who need to wake up the fact he ain't good enough.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: David_Nab on March 03, 2012, 06:49:57 PM
I firmly believe if Blose hadn't won the cup last season he would never have been considered.Leaner and co have been blinded by that and his record in Scotland which as he was manage at  Rangers is really not at all impressive.

I think you should give a manager time to get the players working to his way the problem is the team are playing like his team from last season ! They are playing his way and it's useless every criticism of his appointment , the reasons given for why it was a bad move have proved right !
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mr-villa on March 03, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on March 03, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job. 

Who walks away from a job because they aren't up to it?

An honest man that's who!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on March 03, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on March 03, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job. 

Who walks away from a job because they aren't up to it?

An idiot that's who!!

fixed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on March 03, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles link=topic=46130.msg1986764#msg1986764
date=1330799836
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job. 

Who walks away from a job because they aren't up to it?

An idiot that's who!!

fixed.
Bloody childish.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: mr-villa on March 03, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 06:41:06 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles link=topic=46130.msg1986764#msg1986764
date=1330799836
McLeish should be realistic in his own abilities too and recognise, even without the fan hostility now, he is not good enough for this job. 

Who walks away from a job because they aren't up to it?

An idiot that's who!!

fixed.
Bloody childish.

wah, wah. Only an idiot would walk away from the Villa job at 2m a year.

Get over yourself.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Maybe he was told his only job was to keep us up this season while we sort the financial mess out. If so, he's doing ok.

Meanwhile, back in the real world he's turning us into a joke and encouraging reasonable players to play shite football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Maybe he was told his only job was to keep us up this season while we sort the financial mess out. If so, he's doing ok.

Meanwhile, back in the real world he's turning us into a joke and encouraging reasonable players to play shite football.

How is he doing okay? Okay, by my standards, is anywhere from 10th to 13th with comfort.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Pete3206 on March 03, 2012, 07:06:56 PM
Is Graham Taylor busy at the moment?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rico on March 03, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
Agents Mcleish and Lerner, you've been rumbled! Now feck off the pair of ya!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Cuz on March 03, 2012, 07:23:48 PM
Why ? How ? one fuck up after the next, him and Grant haven't a clue.
Do the right thing Alex GO!!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
villadelph - read the second bit.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
villadelph - read the second bit.

I did. You said he was fulfilling his duties (doing okay) while also turning us into a joke. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Fergal on March 03, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Our last two opponents have conceded 113 so far this season.  We managed 1 goal in both games.  Negative? Our Alex?
Taxi for AM....
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:32:26 PM
Fair point - I guess what I'm saying is he may have been asked solely to keep us up this season. In which case he is (so far). However, this is absolutely nowhere near good enough and is embarassing.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ez on March 03, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on March 03, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Our last two opponents have conceded 113 so far this season.  We managed 1 goal in both games.  Negative? Our Alex?
Taxi for AM....

Although things are bad i really didn't expect us to come out of those two games without a win.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 07:35:53 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on March 03, 2012, 07:32:26 PM
Fair point - I guess what I'm saying is he may have been asked solely to keep us up this season. In which case he is (so far). However, this is absolutely nowhere near good enough and is embarassing.

Oh, we're a complete joke, I agree. His job security is nothing short of comical at this point. Why on Earth is McLeish invincible? Of all managers up against it this year who would've thought that McLeish would be the only one that doesn't have to worry for a minute about his job. I imagine Randy talked to him after the game.. "Don't worry Eck, you're doing fine."
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Villanation on March 03, 2012, 07:39:19 PM
Not grasping at straws here, I am convinced that what Randy Lerner has just witnessed will make him sit up and take notice, he watches enough sport, he will know that the team are not behind AM and never will be, this will have more of an impression on him than even a bad run of results or probably being in the bottom 3.

IMO, Alex McLiesh's position as just become completely untenable, I'm expecting to hear news within the next few days, assuming RL is bothered enough to look at the games anymore.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
AML being told by Lerner to keep us in the division this season while they sort out the financals is the only plausible conclusion I can think off as to why Lerner hasn't pulled the trigger (and atleast indicates that there's a plan of some sort) - or maybe it's just the thought of the pay off he'd have to give him after his inept appointment.

Either way he isn't going anywhere unless he have a change of ownership.  AML is the symptom while Lerner is the cause.

Absolutley pathetic either way.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: phantom limb on March 03, 2012, 07:45:25 PM
I voted GET THE FUCK OUT.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Kevin_Brum12 on March 03, 2012, 07:47:19 PM
Continuing the musical theme, The Hollies had Alex McLeish spot on...



He's not the man to hold your trust,
Everything he touches turns to dust
In his hands,
Nothing he can do is right
He'd even like to stay in the top flight
But he can't

God forbid he is here any longer.  The thought of Blues going up, and us going down, should make any Villa fan sick in the stomach.

And McLeish looks like someone who would turn a vault of gold bars into a pile of manure...

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 03, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on March 03, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Our last two opponents have conceded 113 so far this season.  We managed 1 goal in both games.  Negative? Our Alex?
Taxi for AM....

Although things are bad i really didn't expect us to come out of those two games without a win.

I did
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 07:50:22 PM
I did too, had draws written all over them.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Villanation on March 03, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
AML being told by Lerner to keep us in the division this season while they sort out the financals is the only plausible conclusion I can think off as to why Lerner hasn't pulled the trigger (and atleast indicates that there's a plan of some sort) - or maybe it's just the thought of the pay off he'd have to give him after his inept appointment.

Either way he isn't going anywhere unless he have a change of ownership.  AML is the symptom while Lerner is the cause.

Absolutley pathetic either way.

Without question, but today's performance wasn't just some run of the mill load of crap that we have been putting up with all season (pure fiction this scenario but perfectly plausible) its almost as though the lads have formed some sort of union, come up with the notion to go out there, play out of there skins, probably best yet this season, very dynamic football, and then come out in the 2nd half full of mischief and b*ll*x everything just to make it obvious with regards to the managers tactics, player protest as taken many forms in the past, its not unknown, can Randy Lerner ignore this kind of performance.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 03, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
After the Wigan game, I decided enough was enough with Mcleish and he needed to go.
After todays game, I see no reason to change my mind. He still needs to go.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villadelph on March 03, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 03, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on March 03, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Our last two opponents have conceded 113 so far this season.  We managed 1 goal in both games.  Negative? Our Alex?
Taxi for AM....

Although things are bad i really didn't expect us to come out of those two games without a win.

I did

Three weeks ago I figured these points were in the bag. Holy hell, how I was wrong. Not only did we completely avoid getting three points the proper way, there is no reason/progress to show that we'll be getting any better.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
The worst thing in all this is you just know Lerner isn't even thinking about sacking this bloke.

That is what is most depressing about it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 08:08:14 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 03, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 07:43:30 PM
AML being told by Lerner to keep us in the division this season while they sort out the financals is the only plausible conclusion I can think off as to why Lerner hasn't pulled the trigger (and atleast indicates that there's a plan of some sort) - or maybe it's just the thought of the pay off he'd have to give him after his inept appointment.

Either way he isn't going anywhere unless he have a change of ownership.  AML is the symptom while Lerner is the cause.

Absolutley pathetic either way.

Without question, but today's performance wasn't just some run of the mill load of crap that we have been putting up with all season (pure fiction this scenario but perfectly plausible) its almost as though the lads have formed some sort of union, come up with the notion to go out there, play out of there skins, probably best yet this season, very dynamic football, and then come out in the 2nd half full of mischief and b*ll*x everything just to make it obvious with regards to the managers tactics, player protest as taken many forms in the past, its not unknown, can Randy Lerner ignore this kind of performance.

It's not a conspiracy, we've just got a shit Manager employed by a clueless owner.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Villanation on March 03, 2012, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
The worst thing in all this is you just know Lerner isn't even thinking about sacking this bloke.

That is what is most depressing about it.

Tell you what, just a hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if by the time we face Fulham Mr McLiesh is history, he's just managed to do the one thing that not even rubbish form loss of status and languishing in the bottom 3 or negative football, I doubt would move our chairman to act on, if this doesn't do it we've got him for a very long spell indeed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
The worst thing in all this is you just know Lerner isn't even thinking about sacking this bloke.

That is what is most depressing about it.

That's the problem, it's horrible.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 03, 2012, 08:13:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
The worst thing in all this is you just know Lerner isn't even thinking about sacking this bloke.

That is what is most depressing about it.

Tell you what, just a hunch, but I wouldn't be surprised if by the time we face Fulham Mr McLiesh is history, he's just managed to do the one thing that not even rubbish form loss of status and languishing in the bottom 3 or negative football, I doubt would move our chairman to act on, if this doesn't do it we've got him for a very long spell indeed.

No, unfortunately he will still be here. Lerner has not got a fucking clue.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: brian green on March 03, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
We all assume that Randy Lerner has told McLeish that the two priorities are to stay in the Premiership and to cut the wages bill.

Suppose we are wrong and Lerner simply thinks McLeish is a good manager.   When he flew to Corsica perhaps he believed he had enough knowledge of football to know a good manager when he saw one.  Perhaps he was convinced that McLeish was the new Ferguson.

It means that the owner is blind to the inadequacy of the manager.   It also means that those same inadequacies will have us struggling again next year regardless of which league we are in.

I think if Mc Leish had been suggested by the board as Houllier's replacement Lerner would have rejected the choice out of hand.   The desperate problem the club faces is that the incompetent manager is the owner's man.

The example which springs to my mind was the US president Harry Truman who had a daughter, Margaret I think was her name.  Truman was convinced that Margaret was a concert pianist and clung to the belief until the daughter and the president had made complete arses of themselves.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: paulcomben on March 03, 2012, 08:37:22 PM
We are not wrong; the assumption is correct. Eck's odd belief that defence is better than erm attack as the best form of defence is baffling and scary. Whatever he said to a flowing, confident, smiling, winning team at half time today is the opposite of what he should have said. Coaching staff: are Kevin Mac & Sid only worried about their mortgages? Really? On their career earnings?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Shoody on March 03, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
TODAY on Villa fans go crazy and will believe anything they read on Social Networking sites named 'twitter'.

Quote
Hearing Alex mcliesh has left by mutual consent after a brief meeting with PF #AVFC ?

by some guy named @emenyt. Somehow, and I have no idea how, every fan on twitter is suddenly talking about this.

Obvious bullshit is obvious.










#PleaseBeTrue
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
It's sad that I pray it's true, but clearly not.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on March 03, 2012, 08:50:43 PM
I've voted no up to this point, I've given him the benefit of the doubt all season not so long back I thought we had turned a corner, it turned out to be dead end. Not putting Blackburn or Wigan away is unacceptable, sorry Alex time to move aside.

Click here for Fulham tickets...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ronshirt on March 03, 2012, 09:07:16 PM
For the second time I voted to keep him. I think he should be given an opportunity to manage a squad without all the dross that will drop away during the summer. My only concern is that time is running out and that the inevitable transmogrification into Mr Magoo will be complete before he is given the chance to turn things around.

For those that are desperate that he gets the sack: conjure up the shade that is the Gnasher. He knows an arcane spell involving the words 'meh', 'face/palm' and 'larf' that is guaranteed to get rid of any and all unwanted Villa managers.


Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 09:07:37 PM
I think Herd Petrov and Ireland ran out of legs, I m not sure how Keane changed it at half time but the change in controll was incredible.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 03, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
The worst thing in all this is you just know Lerner isn't even thinking about sacking this bloke.

That is what is most depressing about it.

I've mentioned this elsewhere. He will probably even get a bonus for achieving his main KPI i.e. Just don't get relegated.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: wozwebs on March 03, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
All over Twitter that he's walked
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on March 03, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
All over Twitter that he's walked

I wish that were true, but it's clearly bollocks and makes no sense after what he's said.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: adrenachrome on March 03, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
Tweet! Tweet!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 03, 2012, 09:15:12 PM
Doubt it as he was on Call Collymore two hours ago sounding upbeat.

I think he's going to become the first manager we've had in a full season in the "premier league era" not to even reach 40 points.

That's grounds for sacking him right there surely?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
6 wins in 27 is grounds for sacking him.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Eigentor on March 03, 2012, 09:17:03 PM
I voted 'no'. 'No' as in 'not now'.

There is little point in not giving him until the end of the season. The club would probably be given a small-term lift if we put McAllister and Cowans in charge for the rest of the season, but that's about it.

AM is doing a poor job with the squad that he has, but I'd argue that it's a set of players that is difficult to shape into a team. I agree that it's quite possible to do better than Big Eck has done, but the lack of bite in central midfield was yet again on display, and even the worst teams in the league can overrun us when they find the motivation.

Now, how would AM do if he's allowed to bring in his own players? I'm not convinced that he's great at building a team, and that's one of the reasons why I wasn't very keen on him in the first place. But if I argue that he should be sacked in the summer because of that, then that would be sacking him because he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place, not because of shit performances and results.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Shoody on March 03, 2012, 09:20:05 PM
What I dont understand is that we just paid £12m to managers that have failed us over the past 12 months and then put the one with the worst record on £2m+ a year for 3 years. It just doesnt make sense. It stands to reason that out of the lot McLeish is the most likely to be disposed of and therefore a 1 year contract with the option to renew for a further year in our favour (just incase a miracle happened and he ended up being the next Mourinho with us).

Sticking a terrible manager on a 3 year contract when just having paid £12m in compo to managers is just mind-boggling.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
6 wins in 27 is grounds for sacking him.

Coupled with the performances as well, unquestionable sacking.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2012, 09:22:05 PM
I voted No as I don't see the point in changing right now.

We'll probably stay up with a poor points haul but with PF drawing up the Mangerial shortlist I shudder to think what we'd get next - probably the depressing figures of Steve Bruce or Shhhteve McLaren.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 09:23:45 PM
A win percentage of 22% is a complete disgrace if you look at the squad on paper and the standard of the sides we have played.

Timothy Abraham on twitter has just commented that the board have complete faith in him and he is here to stay. A few matches of singing about the board and the managers head will roll.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: lovejoy on March 03, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
Is that how it works? Some geeks write something on twitter then it becomes true?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: brian green on March 03, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
I have seen absolutely nothing this season which suggests that McLeish's (not the players) McLeish's performance next season will be any better than this whichever league we are in.

He has shown no managerial skill whatsoever regardless of the players he has at his disposal.   Today was as blindingly obvious a confirmation of his inability to motivate players as you could ever wish to see.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 09:30:26 PM
To put that into context, Christian Gross managed to win 9 out of 27 at Spurs, and Brian Kidd had a win percentage of 27% at Blackburn. In almost any other season, we would be gone with our current plight. As it is, we might be very, very fortunate and survive on about 36 points.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: andyh on March 03, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
I am sick of hearing that we cant/wont go down because there are 4 or 5 teams worse than us. That is not a  criteria that should apply to us. how the fuck has it come to this.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
We appointed a man no one wanted to a job he was incapable of doing, following getting his previous side relegated twice in 3 years. And the board thought that was a good idea, although 1 clearly thought it was a shit idea as he scarpered from all communication with the fans around the day he was appointed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villan1975 on March 03, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
He needs to go if only to give Dave Woodhall the chance to right something different.
Must be the hardest job in journalism at the moment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: rob_bridge on March 03, 2012, 09:38:27 PM
Signings will be of the ilk Barry Ferguson, Zigic and Alan McGregor and the style next season could be even worse.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Eigentor on March 03, 2012, 09:41:48 PM
Even if you try to balance it out: doing a decent job at Rangers; getting 9th with Birmingham and winning the League cup as well - it's difficult to see that those achievements offset two relegations and a reputation for playing the worst football in the league. I guess only Randy will know how this was supposed to be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 03, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: villan1975 on March 03, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
He needs to go if only to give Dave Woodhall the chance to right something different.
Must be the hardest job in journalism at the moment.

You're all heart.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
Those rumours I've seen must be bollocks right? I was driving for the past hour and a half, logged onto facebook and saw the Irish Lions page had it that rumours suggest he's walked???
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: TonyD on March 03, 2012, 09:50:37 PM
RL by all accounts doesnt give a shit about the fans in the states but that team cannot get relegated.  If anything will make the twat sack the other twat and then AM it will be the cost in his pocket with the revenues falling.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: The Left Side on March 03, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Three times I have voted yes, I just think we are talking to ourselves though!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Steve67 on March 03, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
I'd like to know how many points we have dropped from winning positions. Another bloody draw.  McLesh must be delighted.  Useless knob.  Sack him but don't let Faulkner or Lerner select the next one.

The "there are worse clubs than us" argument is also a load of crap, we shouldn't be in this position at all.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: tricky dicky on March 03, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
i have seen that gabby has said players don't hear much on the pitch well i know for a fact the referee heard the abuse hurled at mcleish because i was talking to him on wigan station while waiting for the train he even asked who threw the flare in the crowd and told us i heard you lot having a go at mcleish so it did get through to him
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: eric woolban woolban on March 03, 2012, 10:11:14 PM
15 points lost by my reckoning.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
We've been an established top flight club for the guts of 25 years, and in the decade of our last relegation, we also won the European cup.

In the quarter of a century that we have been top flight, we have seriously flirted with relegation about five times. Most of the time we have been pretty comfortable in mid-table and have spent more time in the top six than fighting the drop.

The lack of ambition this season, and the toleration of such a pathetic managerial performance is actually scandalous.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 10:17:56 PM
The worst clubs than us is about our survival, we can not put the blame for the state of our club entirely at the feet of this manager. He just represents the abysmal way this club has been run for the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: TonyD on March 03, 2012, 10:18:11 PM
90 mins of Sack McLeish my lord is what is needed at the Fulham game.    It might not make any difference but it might make you feel a bit better.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Steve67 on March 03, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 03, 2012, 10:12:08 PM
We've been an established top flight club for the guts of 25 years, and in the decade of our last relegation, we also won the European cup.

In the quarter of a century that we have been top flight, we have seriously flirted with relegation about five times. Most of the time we have been pretty comfortable in mid-table and have spent more time in the top six than fighting the drop.

The lack of ambition this season, and the toleration of such a pathetic managerial performance is actually scandalous.

It's the complete lack of respect I can't stand.  Don't listen to the fans, in fact, fuck 'em, don't bother communicating with them either.  Appoint a human shield, a shit one at that and watch as the club heads downhill, just like we, the fans, said it would.  An incredibly poor performance from Lerner in allowing MON to waste money, appointing Houllier after he had been out of the Premier League for so long and them ignoring the wrath of the fans to appoint Billy McNeil part two.  Clueless, hopeless and pointless.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 03, 2012, 10:23:53 PM
The sad think is, we are in a Catch 22 situation. The only way the manager will be sacked you feel is if we lose the rest of our games this season; but if we do that, we will be relegated. .
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Simba on March 03, 2012, 10:27:25 PM
OK.  Is it time? Time to support the players because they can play some nice stuff and finally give this manager as much stick as possible.

I say yes.

Some players not pulling weight. ok Why

Had it, don't even care to debate it. The man is rubbish. Give him Hell.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
Tim Abraham tweeted this tonight.

Quote
Was assured recently that the Villa hierarchy have 100 per cent faith in what McLeish is doing at #AVFC. He's here to stay.

He's reducing the wage bill. That's all they care about.

No wonder the General scuttled off like a rat up a drainpipe. Defending this shite would be nigh on impossible.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: villan1975 on March 03, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
I have nothing but respect for people who travel half way around the country to support our team
and end up getting served up utter dirge week after week.I must admit I won't even look for a feed online to watch us let alone spend vast amounts of money anymore to watch it in the flesh.The patience must be being tested of even the most ardent fan.
The only pressure left is for the hardcore fans to stop going or renewing next season which is an awful situation to be in.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2012, 10:39:50 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
Tim Abraham tweeted this tonight.

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Was assured recently that the Villa hierarchy have 100 per cent faith in what McLeish is doing at #AVFC. He's here to stay.

He's reducing the wage bill. That's all they care about.

No wonder the General scuttled off like a rat up a drainpipe. Defending this shite would be nigh on impossible.

Then the Villa hierarchy have no fucking clue what they're doing. What an utter shambles.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 03, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
Tim Abraham tweeted this tonight.

Quote
Was assured recently that the Villa hierarchy have 100 per cent faith in what McLeish is doing at #AVFC. He's here to stay.

He's reducing the wage bill. That's all they care about.

No wonder the General scuttled off like a rat up a drainpipe. Defending this shite would be nigh on impossible.

The General scuttled off as he talked absolute shit and finally got rumbled.

Waffling on about 'imagine the backing for McLeish' and 'We'll finish 4th, er I mean 5th' made him look like a Happy Shopper Abe Simpson.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 03, 2012, 11:37:07 PM
I voted no again. Basically until someone can come up with a good manager who will join us under the current conditions, i'd rather wait to the summer
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
there comes a point when you should be writing to the Chairman rather than just posting on here, why not let him know how you feel?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Apyadg on March 03, 2012, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
there comes a point when you should be writing to the Chairman rather than just posting on here, why not let him know how you feel?

Where the fuck are people meant to address the letters to?

Send him a letter to Villa Park? May as well piss in the wind.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 03, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 03, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 03, 2012, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay

Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/
It was only 45 minutes of crap.
That makes it alright then.

Does it?
Of course it doesn't
Then what's your game?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: TheSandman on March 03, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 03, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
there comes a point when you should be writing to the Chairman rather than just posting on here, why not let him know how you feel?

Either way we're probably better off going outside and shaking your fist at the sky whilst screaming 'WHY LERNER? WHY? Whatever we do it will have no effect.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Shoody on March 04, 2012, 01:40:03 AM
Quote from: ez on March 03, 2012, 05:56:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 03, 2012, 05:44:25 PM
New poll added just

15 say sack
1 (Chris Smith) says stay

Something else that worries me, the usually optimistic ones on here are quiet :/

Apathy has set in.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: robbo1874 on March 04, 2012, 02:20:41 AM
I voted no again. Same reason as before- no point pulling the trigger mid season unless you're way adrift at the bottom.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 04, 2012, 05:05:22 AM
Surely this poll becomes more of a mute point after each game passes?

Of course he shouldn't be in the job, but with only 11 games to go and no realistic chance of securing a quality manager before the summer he isn't going to get the sack.



Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2012, 07:53:40 AM
I went over to the dark side last week and wanted McLeish gone, but I'm changing back now.

Not for footballing reasons, just that it's boring reading lists of people being more outraged than the last, Daily Heil-style.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 04, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
He's not walked then? How depressing
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Nev on March 04, 2012, 07:58:48 AM
After all the good work, the owner is pissing it all away with this hugely misplaced faith in the manager. It's not the fault of AM but he will get the majority of the stick and thats just the way football is.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Moorski on March 04, 2012, 08:06:09 AM
McLeish won't walk away, he will have to be sacked which is very unlikely,He will still be here to start next season with more signings like Hutton! How depressing is that thought!!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mattjpa on March 04, 2012, 08:07:29 AM
Lerner needs to get out of our club, I feel like we've been absolutely mugged off by someone with no idea of how to run a football club
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: brian green on March 04, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
In my lifetime of following Villa I would estimate that five percent of that time the feelings have been of excitement and even euphoria very occasionally.   The other ninety five percent has been teetering on the brink of rapid decline and catastrophe.

My son who has a brilliant turn of imagery compared it to being the last sniper in Stalingrad counting his bullets and his cigarettes.   For me the endless recurrence of days like yesterday make me feel like the guy in The Deerhunter sitting there with my Proud Past Bright Future scarf tied around my head waiting to be passed the revolver.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mikeb1982 on March 04, 2012, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
In my lifetime of following Villa I would estimate that five percent of that time the feelings have been of excitement and even euphoria very occasionally.   The other ninety five percent has been teetering on the brink of rapid decline and catastrophe.

My son who has a brilliant turn of imagery compared it to being the last sniper in Stalingrad counting his bullets and his cigarettes.   For me the endless recurrence of days like yesterday make me feel like the guy in The Deerhunter sitting there with my Proud Past Bright Future scarf tied around my head waiting to be passed the revolver.

Haha, that made me snort out loud! And that's Cavatina in my head for the rest of the day
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
Lee Clark is available for nowt - would RL be brave enough to go get him as repalcement for McL?

No, I thought not.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Are we going to re-set the poll if we ever win another game?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 04, 2012, 09:14:35 AM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on March 04, 2012, 05:05:22 AM
Surely this poll becomes more of a mute point after each game passes?

Of course he shouldn't be in the job, but with only 11 games to go and no realistic chance of securing a quality manager before the summer he isn't going to get the sack.


I think you mean "moot" but if not that is very clever ;-)

Otherwise spot on!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
Did anybody think they'd live to see the day that West Brom finish above? That's a saving offence. Having the same win percentage as Billy McNiell, that too is a sacking offence.

Jesus, even Stoke are going to finish above us!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
He really has turned us into a mediocre side.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2012, 09:39:48 AM
He really has turned us into a mediocre side.


You are being very kind. We are relegation fodder.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 04, 2012, 10:40:24 AM
I'm starting too lose interest in football full stop, its not just the villa but I was listening to the radio 5 live phone in and the amount of people ringing up from chelsea, wigan, villa saying players weren't playing for respective managers was atrocious. What the fuck happened to players playing for the club/shirt?

All they care about is the almighty $ fuck the fans who spend thousands a year following them around the country. All the media fawning over Man city Jesus they spend millions a month on wages and the players don't even have any respect for the club or the fans, its just about money.

It makes me sick, winning trophies means shit its all about finishing 4th.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 11:22:40 AM
Difficult to use yesterday to judge it - the more I've thought about the game we watched, the more I thought that Steve Kean out-sussed McLeish: those two half-time subs were the difference!

However, McLeish did not have the bench-depth to supplement the tiring Herd and Petrov in central midfield and neither Albrighton nor N’Zog are good enough at covering the fullbacks when under pressure.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: DB on March 04, 2012, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2012, 09:28:46 AM
Did anybody think they'd live to see the day that West Brom finish above? That's a saving offence. Having the same win percentage as Billy McNiell, that too is a sacking offence.

Jesus, even Stoke are going to finish above us!

I met up with my mate who is a Norwich fan who went to Stoke yesterday, he said how sh*t they they were but to do certain things in orderto win, but he also said he wouldn't pay to watch them. So it's a bit like us apart form knowing how to win.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
Ah Norwich, I remember you, just. You were our last home victory. In November.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Monty on March 04, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: EffDee on March 04, 2012, 11:22:40 AM
Difficult to use yesterday to judge it - the more I've thought about the game we watched, the more I thought that Steve Kean out-sussed McLeish: those two half-time subs were the difference!

I think it's pretty damning when the opposition manager outsusses you with one move, and at half time as well, giving you the whole half to respond (and their goal came in the 81st minute, so it was coming). He's barely got a Plan A, so Plan B was always going to struggle to exist.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 04, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
If this poll said should AMC be sacked in the summer. It would should 99% yes
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Holte L2 on March 04, 2012, 11:59:30 AM
For me unresounding yes. on the basis that we couldn't be any worse if KMac and did took us over until the end of the season we'd stay up. I don't want the same fiasco in the summer as to what we did last summer. Get MCleish out now, and that gives us more time to identity your man. Lambert or Flores for me.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Irish villain on March 04, 2012, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
Ah Norwich, I remember you, just. You were our last home victory. In November.


When you put it like that, that's fucking appalling.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2012, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 04, 2012, 11:47:46 AM
If this poll said should AMC be sacked in the summer. It would should 99% yes

Agreed.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 12:16:48 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 04, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
Quote from: EffDee on March 04, 2012, 11:22:40 AM
Difficult to use yesterday to judge it - the more I've thought about the game we watched, the more I thought that Steve Kean out-sussed McLeish: those two half-time subs were the difference!

I think it's pretty damning when the opposition manager outsusses you with one move, and at half time as well, giving you the whole half to respond (and their goal came in the 81st minute, so it was coming). He's barely got a Plan A, so Plan B was always going to struggle to exist.
You're right, I guess. I was being charitable, although our bench-strength yesterday was not good.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Eigentor on March 04, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 04, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
I think it's pretty damning when the opposition manager outsusses you with one move

To be fair, the opposition manager was Steve Kean.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Villas-Boas has been sacked, Randy sack Mcleish and get him in.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: lovejoy on March 04, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 04, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Villas-Boas has been sacked, Randy sack Mcleish and get him in.
Just posted that on other football thread.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 04, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
It's sad to think we have gone from outsiders for Champions League contention to outsiders for relegation in just a couple of seasons.

Why does Villa's fall from grace have to be so immediate all the time.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: richard moore on March 04, 2012, 01:46:26 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 04, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 04, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Villas-Boas has been sacked, Randy sack Mcleish and get him in.
Just posted that on other football thread.

Yes, I agree. Just posted on Other Games what a nice bloke he seems and he will make a very good manager somewhere one day with a more patient and caring set up than the scum who run things at the Chavs
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 04, 2012, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 04, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 04, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
Villas-Boas has been sacked, Randy sack Mcleish and get him in.
Just posted that on other football thread.

Checked media sport spages after that post and thought no chance as nothing there. Checked them again after my last post and there it is.

Seem to be in the PL sacking season if clubs feel they aren't achieving their aims i.e. Wolves and Chelsea. The problem is though, Villa skirting relegation does seem to be classed as an achievement by the club at the moment.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2012, 01:52:53 PM
It's so sad that we are the only club that seem to accept terrible results and performances without reprisals for the manager.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 04, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
As I listen to AM tell us that it is not his fault for the defensive performances I wonder what he actually does all week with the players? Are they deliberately ignoringhim then? For waht reason would they do that?

He has now intimated that we do not have enough class in the side and that he is not a magician. He sounds like a man floundering under the pressure.

Remember when he said we just had to win the match (Wigan?) and the reporter asked "how will you do that?" and he had no answer? Says it all...

At least Newcastle fucked MoN over in injury time...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 04, 2012, 02:00:39 PM
You would hope that as Villa's big expenditure on Bent in the January transfer window last season inspired Chelsea to move for Torres, Villa would reciprocate Chelsea's inspired move now.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: DB on March 04, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
The Chelsea job is worse than the England job, in terms of no win situation and expectances are so high - well, from the owner anyway. He's too quick to get rid.

Back to Villa, he won't go. Next season is the one I fear. Unless things change at the top, I see our better players leaving being replaced by sh*te.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: WarleyWonder on March 04, 2012, 02:40:08 PM
Yet another game where it is sad to see the demise of out famous club all because AM has not got a clue and doesn't care about the people who pay his wages. Come on Randy do the decent thing and get rid of him before we fall from grace.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: barrysleftfoot on March 04, 2012, 02:43:18 PM

  I'm caught in two minds about McL.

  I thought it was the wrong appointment at the time, and he has done nothing to change my mind.The performances/approach to  the games against Spuds/Ure/Lplop and Citeeh were completely unacceptable for a club the size of Villa.

 However, after seeing how much we had to pay in compensation to the 2 previous incumbants, then i'm not sure we can keep affording to pay these amounts of money.On top of that i think with McL taking all the criticism , it has allowed some of the high earners at the club to get away with sub-standard performances.Houillier criticised the attitudes of some of the big named players, they were shit then, and mostly shit now.Two managers, same result, will they be the same under another manager.

 Personally, for the sake of the future good will of the club, i think McL will have to go in the summer, but who next, i'm not sure.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: charlie on March 04, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Good time to play Baggies, last two opponents have sacked managers afterwards, suits us fine.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Monty on March 04, 2012, 02:51:39 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 04, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Good time to play Baggies, last two opponents have sacked managers afterwards, suits us fine.

Haha yeah, the manager-sacking-curse has moved slightly across WM to the Hawthorns, hasn't it? Something about losing to West Brom must be terminally frustrating for everyone.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I agree with you BLF.   Your observations are correct in my opinion.

I too thought he was the wrong appointment at the time and have seen nothing to make me change my mind.   However, all the venom being hurled at him masks the very flaky and downright bad performances by many of our players.

Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.

The bizarre theme of this seasons performances suggests that they have the physical skills but their intellects are ultra fragile.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Des Little on March 04, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
If we lose against Fulham I think he's toast
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2012, 03:15:31 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 04, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
If we lose against Fulham I think he's toast

Disagree, sadly.

I genuinely don't think he'd get the bullet if he got us relegated.

It's all about saving money, and changing manager costs.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2012, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
I agree with you BLF.   Your observations are correct in my opinion.

I too thought he was the wrong appointment at the time and have seen nothing to make me change my mind.   However, all the venom being hurled at him masks the very flaky and downright bad performances by many of our players.

Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.

The bizarre theme of this seasons performances suggests that they have the physical skills but their intellects are ultra fragile.

Oh it's very true that they players are culpable in this as well, as they were last year. However my view of Mcleish is much the same in that I never thought he was the right man, I gave him a chance but I've just seen nothing to suggest he will ever improve. I think he should be sacked, as I believe there's a good chance we could go down under him. I also want an overhaul of the squad in the summer to address the under performing players, but I want that overhaul to be done by a manager who I believe will help Aston Villa progress.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM


Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.



No.

But they need a manager to have a plan, to highlight the opposition's weakspots and exploit them. 

We don't have that sort of manager - and that's a pretty big handicap. 

We also have some pretty shit professionals too, of course.  And that doesn't help matters either.  Hopefully they'll bombed out in the summer along with him.
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Post by: Vanilla on March 04, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM

Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.


No.

But they need a manager to have a plan, to highlight the opposition's weakspots and exploit them. 
 

Have to agree with that. A violinist may have been playing from the age of 7, but may still need a conductor to lead and synthesise their skills with other musicians in an orchestra. 
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Post by: Californian Villain on March 04, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 03, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
Where is Chris actually I haven't seen any posts from him for ages?

Gone to join Disco Stu (with any luck!)
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Post by: mikeb1982 on March 04, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
Even if we are relegated he won't be sacked, he's got an excellent record of getting promoted...
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Post by: brian green on March 04, 2012, 04:27:09 PM
I do not disagree with either of you KG or Vanilla.   I accept fully that the manager has an essential role to coordinate play and make the team coalesce as a unit.   The point that Dave made  and which I support is that it is a question of degree.   There have been games this season and yesterday was a classic example when the contrast of performance by the players in the course of a single game to me at least indicates deliberate dereliction of duty by players.   They will almost all of them, certainly the senior players, have experienced bad and incompetent managers in their careers but their professionalism should be more than enough to steady the ship when to put it crudely too frequently our players seem to say "fuck this" or perhaps it is "fuck him".
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 04:41:44 PM
I'm not sure i agree about Keen tactically outhinking Mcleish. Keen made the substitutions and with Herd and Petrov both fading the logical thing would have been for us to replace them but there's nowt to bring on - he didn't have a Plan B frankly because he hasn't got the personell for Plan B. It was either stick Heskey in there or a kid out of position. Thats the pointer to the decline, we now have a weaker bench than Blackburn
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
I think what I said was that to get where they are now, every Premier League player has to have displayed not only excellence, but also self-discipline almost from the time they could first walk. They have to have played at a standard we couldn't comprehend in every game, regardless of whether or not they got on with their manager and whether he was any good. So why is it that over the past two seasons some of our players have put in performance that have been so much lower than they were capable of? Professional pride alone should see them doing better.
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Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 04, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM


Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.



No.

But they need a manager to have a plan, to highlight the opposition's weakspots and exploit them. 

We don't have that sort of manager - and that's a pretty big handicap. 

We also have some pretty shit professionals too, of course.  And that doesn't help matters either.  Hopefully they'll bombed out in the summer along with him.

The plan was working very wlel in the first half yesterday, but not so in the 2nd half. I don't believe he told them to stop doing what they were doing because that would not make any sense to anyone. So, this time, I question the players. Why did they come out and play poorly in the second half when clearly they are better than Blackburn? I believe it was the players fault yesterday (and not for the first time either).
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Post by: David_Nab on March 04, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
Our bench was very weak yesterday I know we have injuries but how to be have such a big wage bill and yet so few players !!
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Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
.... all the venom being hurled at him
I know what you mean, Brian, but actually I would say that the Villa fans have been pretty tolerant in general. The angst only really bubbled out last week at Wigan, and understandably. I remember GHou getting a lot more stick, alot earlier last season.
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
... masks the very flaky and downright bad performances by many of our players.
True - and it's interesting that GHou reckoned that he had identified where he thought the problems were.
Why has McL not acted more decisively to deal with the issues - particularly the number of goals we've been leaking.
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
... Dave Woodhall pointed out most perceptively some time ago that these are professional footballers who have been playing the game since they were boys.   They should not need the manager to instill basic match sense into them.
True (both about the players and Dave's perceptiveness!) but it should be the management that sets the tone, culture and team-spirit of the squad. In the absence of a strong managerial steer, factions, cliques and disunion tend to appear when things start going wrong.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 05:11:03 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on March 04, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
Our bench was very weak yesterday I know we have injuries but how to be have such a big wage bill and yet so few players !!


yep. I remember when we had reserves who had actually played league games. Currently most of our backs up are either kids with a smattering of appearances or none at all. Makes even the DOL-era team look positively brimming with options
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Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 05:12:49 PM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on March 04, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
The plan was working very wlel in the first half yesterday, but not so in the 2nd half. I don't believe he told them to stop doing what they were doing because that would not make any sense to anyone. So, this time, I question the players. Why did they come out and play poorly in the second half when clearly they are better than Blackburn? I believe it was the players fault yesterday (and not for the first time either).
True but Kean made two significant changes at half-time which we did not seem to counter - partly 'cos our bench was not really that strong. Ironically, he might have been better to have put Heskey on when withdrawing N'Zog, to deal with the Olsson twins rampaging down their left-side (can't believe I just wrote that!) but then he would probably have had a fans-revolt on his hands.

He can't do any right at the moment.
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Post by: mr-villa on March 04, 2012, 05:13:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 04, 2012, 03:15:44 PM

I also want an overhaul of the squad in the summer to address the under performing players, but I want that overhaul to be done by a manager who I believe will help Aston Villa progress.

Well we had such a manager in post this time last year together with a very competent No2 and a decent backroom setup but Randy decided to ditch all that without giving Gerard Houllier the chance to prove his fitness and health to be a MANAGER.  Gerard didn't need to be able to run around a training pitch every day, christ O'Neill if the stories are to be believed wasn't even at training most days.  As the saying goes you reap what you sow and it looks like Randy is going to harvest a bumper crop of shite this summer.
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Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 05:13:22 PM
That's where we would differ a wee bit Brian.

I do take your point that professional pride and discipline should be instinctive for players at the higher levels of the game, and they should perhaps have enough to 'get over the line' regardless of the inadequacies of the manager. 

But when the momentum changes in a game (as it invariably will in most matches)  the onus is on the manager to see that and act accordingly.   Whether it's replacing a committed player who has given his all and is spent, or a player not playing to instruction. Or a player who was, but has switched off for some reason.

We do have some very suspect professionals though, and there is no getting away from it.

Dunne divides opinion. On his day, he's a wholehearted old fashioned lionheart CB who will throw himself at everything.  But when he doesn't fancy it he's woeful.  I'm still not sure as to whether his more iffy performances with us are merely time catching up with him or whether it's the latter.  He has a longstanding knee injury and the manner in which he plays will take it's toll.   But I recall many periods when he was at Man Citeh and he was giving out stink about his teammates in print (usually the foreign ones) whilst the goals were raining in at his end.  Perhaps the turnover of managers he went through there made him cynical, and he has brought that here.

Warnock was apparently miffed at not getting his move back to Liverpool in 2010 and has never really been back with us since then. Collins -like Dunne- has some refuelling habits that belong to a bygone age.  You could maybe get away with players smoking and drinking in the 70's and 80's.  You could maybe get away with it now - if they were the best players on the pitch.  But they aren't.

They are senior players though, and probably command a respect and influence not consistent with their level of performance.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 04, 2012, 05:25:43 PM
Yes, the players have shown a lack of professionalism, but isn't that down to the Manager to counter it.

In any results based industry, the Manager cops it if the performances are unacceptable.

If, as we believe, McLeish stays in the Summer then he will get a few of his own players in, but how much better will they be when we're on such a restricted budget?

If Lerner truly believes that McLeish is the right choice, then he needs to back him with healthy transfer funds.
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I think the players are doing what they've been told to do and always have done, be it MoN, Kev M, Houllier or now AMc.  Last season saw a lot of upheaval, professional or not, disruptive goings on at the club were bound to have an effect.  Houlliers training and football style meant that the team were learning a new system which appeared to have started taking effect and the players responding with the two good wins against Liverpool and arsenal.  I honestly believe that if Houllier could have carried on we would not be where we are now. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 04, 2012, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I honestly believe that if Houllier could have carried on we would not be where we are now. 
Hard to say.
Certainly the football wouldn't have been so dire.
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 04, 2012, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I honestly believe that if Houllier could have carried on we would not be where we are now. 
Hard to say.
Certainly the football wouldn't have been so dire.

I think the players would have been enjoying there football more, and that would have reflected on the pitch and in the results.
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
*their*
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 04, 2012, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 04, 2012, 05:32:47 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I honestly believe that if Houllier could have carried on we would not be where we are now. 
Hard to say.
Certainly the football wouldn't have been so dire.

I think the players would have been enjoying there football more, and that would have reflected on the pitch and in the results.

We certainly wouldn't have had to flush yet another £6m down the toilet, as i'm sure Houllier could have got the best out of Makoun.

Considering we're on a tight budget, why has nobody said to McLeish

'We paid £6m for him, you're going to have to work hard with him.'

How come in this age of austerity that we're just allowed to write £6m off?
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 05:53:39 PM
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We certainly wouldn't have had to flush yet another £6m down the toilet, as i'm sure Houllier could have got the best out of Makoun.

Considering we're on a tight budget, why has nobody said to McLeish

'We paid £6m for him, you're going to have to work hard with him.'

How come in this age of austerity that we're just allowed to write £6m off?

Agreed, I was amazed at the speed in which Makoun was dispatched, considering he'd had a mere 6 or 7 months with the club.
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Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 05:56:42 PM
Maybe a good manager will be able to utilise him better.

He's not a true defensive midfielder, in the sense that his tackling is suspect and he's not particularly strong.

But he does have a good range of passing.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 04, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 05:56:42 PM
But he does have a good range of passing.
No wonder McLeish doesn't like him.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 05:58:40 PM
It may have had something to do with the fact he can't tackle. A bit of a luxury when you're playing with a midfield where only one player, Petrov, can tackle.
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Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
I really liked what i saw of him, he looked given time as if he could have been a really good premiership midfielder. Sending him packing to Greece after 7 appearances was ridiculous.
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Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 05:56:42 PM
Maybe a good manager will be able to utilise him better.

He's not a true defensive midfielder, in the sense that his tackling is suspect and he's not particularly strong.

But he does have a good range of passing.
With Petrov and Herd to hold up the CMF, Makoun could have played a useful part as the box-to-box player. I still think Ireland will be on his way, which leaves a vacancy in a MF 3.
Unless Gardner or Bannan step up to the plate more convincingly next season.
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Post by: barrysleftfoot on March 04, 2012, 06:12:25 PM

  But who do you appoint?

  Do you go down the route of having an up and coming manager, and take the risk that the current players treat him with as much contempt as they did the previous two managers, or do you go for a big name, but did'nt we have that in MON and Hou?

  For me, from the front 4 yday, you have 2 who put in 70% effort at most, Gabby and Ireland, Albrighton who has gone backward, N'Zog, who seems to be struggling with confidence, and wants too much time on the ball, and no decent quality replacements.On top of that you have a midfielder who is 2 years past his sell by date, with no competition, a LB who does'bt want to be here., and a manager who has'nt been able to bring his own players in but gets all the blame.

 McL was/is a bad appointment, but with modern players, we either go down the route of having cheaper, but more industrious, but less quality players with an up and coming manager, or have players like Ireland, who should be at a top 4 club on ability, but a division 2 team on professionalism.

 
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Post by: Eigentor on March 04, 2012, 06:15:56 PM
Makoun can't tackle. But he is better than any of our current (midfield) players at closing down opposition. Which is something our midfield is quite bad at. In fact, the concept of defending without closing down opposition has brought us much trouble this season.
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on March 04, 2012, 06:12:25 PM

  But who do you appoint?

  Do you go down the route of having an up and coming manager, and take the risk that the current players treat him with as much contempt as they did the previous two managers, or do you go for a big name, but did'nt we have that in MON and Hou?


For me, I think any manager that allows/trains the team to be attack minded will get a response from the players.
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Post by: Doorbell on March 04, 2012, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on March 04, 2012, 06:15:56 PM
Makoun can't tackle. But he is better than any of our current (midfield) players at closing down opposition. Which is something our midfield is quite bad at. In fact, the concept of defending without closing down opposition has brought us much trouble this season.

I think this was one of the reasons MoN managed to get our team to do as well as they did...
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Post by: ktvillan on March 04, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
This "Makoun can't tackle"nonsense seems to be based entirely on one bad challenge at Blackpool that got him a red card.  Ludicrous to write him off on the basis of one challenge.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2012, 06:24:21 PM
Makoun also reads the game much better than our others. His jettison was odd so soon.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
Makoun would be a very good player for us and the decision was fucking mental. Actually no it wasn't, it was very in keeping with the general decisions made by Mcleish.
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Post by: Eigentor on March 04, 2012, 06:38:36 PM
Maybe AM was so confident that tackling expert Fabian Delph would make the midfield role his own that there was no way he would need Makoun.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on March 04, 2012, 06:12:25 PM

  But who do you appoint?

  Do you go down the route of having an up and coming manager, and take the risk that the current players treat him with as much contempt as they did the previous two managers, or do you go for a big name, but did'nt we have that in MON and Hou?

   


I think we can forget a big name. They're not gonna risk their reputation trying to run a premiership side on a championship side's resources. You only have to see where things are going with Mcleish's comments about looking in the Bosman bargain bins for players- so after all this arse about getting the wage bill down, we now are in the market for older players on big wages but who don't cost a transfer fee. the exact opposite to what they were telling us about the wage bill. They just haven't got any money full stop whether its transfer fee's or wages, and the next guy will have exactly the same problem. i'd give it to Cowans if he can be persuaded  because at least he'll have the fans on-side and would probably get a season before everyone turned on him.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on March 04, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
This "Makoun can't tackle"nonsense seems to be based entirely on one bad challenge at Blackpool that got him a red card.  Ludicrous to write him off on the basis of one challenge.

This "nonsense" is based on the fact he only made one tackle in 7 appearances and yes he got sent off for it. Nobody is writing him off for that tackle. Do keep up.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 06:56:38 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 04, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
Makoun would be a very good player for us and the decision was fucking mental. Actually no it wasn't, it was very in keeping with the general decisions made by Mcleish.

I would imagine Sid Cowans had a major voice in the decision, having worked with the player since his signing. Makoun certainly had the potential to be a very decent PL player but his type are a luxury in a team that constantly give the ball away. Houllier obviously saw something in him but my guess is he was too similar to Petrov, very good at keeping the ball but too many short, squared/backward passes. Given more freedom to bring the ball forward, he looked the business but then we had plenty of more attacking midfielders in the squad.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2012, 07:00:18 PM
If you have a team which constantly gives the ball away, how is a player that can pass the ball decently a luxury?

Isn't he potentially the solution?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
I think Makoun was shown the door because someone wanted him frankly. Same as Carlos would have been off in the summer despite us offering him a new deal now. The whole club's transfer strategy is being run by the bean counters.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2012, 07:00:18 PM
If you have a team which constantly gives the ball away, how is a player that can pass the ball decently a luxury?

Isn't he potentially the solution?

Not when every other player gives the ball away and we rely on our defensive midfielders to win it back again.

I guess we'll never know fully what Houllier had in mind for our midfield and maybe Makoun was just part of the rebuilding which would have allowed us to play to his strengths. Technically, he's a very good player and for me, the central midfield has for too long been our weak point, even when we had Barry and Milner. I can only see a real solution once we've replaced Stan.
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Post by: Villanation on March 04, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: barrysleftfoot on March 04, 2012, 06:12:25 PM

  But who do you appoint?

  Do you go down the route of having an up and coming manager, and take the risk that the current players treat him with as much contempt as they did the previous two managers, or do you go for a big name, but did'nt we have that in MON and Hou?

  For me, from the front 4 yday, you have 2 who put in 70% effort at most, Gabby and Ireland, Albrighton who has gone backward, N'Zog, who seems to be struggling with confidence, and wants too much time on the ball, and no decent quality replacements.On top of that you have a midfielder who is 2 years past his sell by date, with no competition, a LB who does'bt want to be here., and a manager who has'nt been able to bring his own players in but gets all the blame.

 McL was/is a bad appointment, but with modern players, we either go down the route of having cheaper, but more industrious, but less quality players with an up and coming manager, or have players like Ireland, who should be at a top 4 club on ability, but a division 2 team on professionalism.


Said it before at least a dozen times, Quique Sanchez Flores, one of the best managers out there and an advocate of real attacking football, but better than all of that, this bloke went on record saying, when for some unbelievable reason we appointed McLiesh, "I want the Villa job".

He's now on an open contract coaching in the middle east and guess what, he's the hotty for the Chelsea job and its being reported that Abramovich has already contacted him.

What more does Randy Lerner need to know when a manager of that quality says come and get me.
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Post by: Villanation on March 04, 2012, 07:20:53 PM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-news-Quique-Sanchez-Flores-who-lead-Atletico-Madrid-to-Europa-League-triumph-2010-wants-job-if-fan-anger-keeps-Alex-McLeish-out-article747872.html
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Post by: TonyD on March 04, 2012, 07:26:22 PM
I thought Makoun was good at passing.  But normally about 8 yards away pretty fast as if he were playing 5 aside against the clock. Not quite what the PL needs. 
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Post by: TonyD on March 04, 2012, 07:29:58 PM
Flores wanted the job.  But AM got it. Says all you need to know about the mess the club is in and will continue to be under the the present custodians. 
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 04, 2012, 07:31:12 PM
Looking at how MJ has got Fulham playing, essentially with the same level players as we have, I fine myself looking ruefully at another manager who might have done a job for us, and probably would have come if asked. Is there anyone similar out there? We'd have hit the roof if Alan Pardew was appointed, but look at him now. Maybe we should be looking at a similar appointment? Having said that McL would fit the bill that type of manager, a very underwhelming few PL seasons, and no one can deny that his few months in charge have been a disaster. I'm not going to suggest anyone, as I'll just be shot down in flames. It's going to need a massive exercise in thinking outside the box however. Of course all this is all just a moot point, as McL is going nowhere.
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Post by: Villanation on March 04, 2012, 07:37:28 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 04, 2012, 07:29:58 PM
Flores wanted the job.  But AM got it. Says all you need to know about the mess the club is in and will continue to be under the the present custodians.

Agree with your comments about how the club is being run, however we have reached that tipping point, my point would be nobody in there right mind, including Lerner can say there is nobody out there that is either a) good enough, b) we could get now) or, c) wants the job, there is a class manager sitting out there in the desert saying piss McLiesh of and get me.

Unlike McLiesh this bloke has genuine pedigree and IMO would transform Villa, another point is, he works closely with one of the best No2's out there and claims he would also come.

Doesn't need me to say the obvious.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 07:39:48 PM
"Here's the key's to Villa Park Quique. I'd imagine you want to start straight away turning us into the Barca of the midlands, and as you know we have a crop of players here well versed in the sort of free-flowing technically advanced football you're renowned for like Richard Dunne.  Remember, you have to sell to buy and anything you raise in sales i'll pocket half of it. I take it the salary of the last mug is fine? Let me know when we win the league"


*hums Mission Impossible theme*
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quique Sanchez Flores managed to get Benfica to finish third in a two horse race. His spell at Atletico Madrid wasn't great either. Maybe given time he could have done a job but as Gregory mentions, the squad and budget were hardly going to make his life easy.

I'd still like us to go Dutch and Frank Rijjkard will be looking for a job this summer.
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Post by: Villanation on March 04, 2012, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 04, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quique Sanchez Flores managed to get Benfica to finish third in a two horse race. His spell at Atletico Madrid wasn't great either. Maybe given time he could have done a job but as Gregory mentions, the squad and budget were hardly going to make his life easy.

I'd still like us to go Dutch and Frank Rijjkard will be looking for a job this summer.

Well, last eight Champions League, and he had to qualify for that, we all know how difficult that is, victory in the Europe League final and its said players love his coaching approach and working with him.

Not bad, I say.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 04, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
Flores flavour of the month.
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Post by: newtonsballs on March 04, 2012, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 04, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
Flores flavour of the month.
They say he's butter than most
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Post by: Holte L2 on March 04, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
Rijkaard hasn't done well anywhere since Barca. Massive ego too. Don't think he'd understand what we're about. Flores, Lambert or Klinsmann for me.
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Post by: Legion on March 04, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
Villas-Boas. Seriously. Won't happen though.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 04, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
If we could get Lambert, I'd be more than happy. A thinking man's Martin O'Neill.
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Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2012, 08:17:44 PM
Van Basten is now at Herenveen. 

Can't exactly say his spell as manager of Ajax was a golden period for the club, true.

But he did say nice things about us on the eve of our game against them in 2008.

Seems to have been part of the criteria for McLeish getting the job, so why not.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 04, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
If we could get Lambert, I'd be more than happy. A thinking man's Martin O'Neill.


he won't come. Shoe-in for the celtic job if he plays his card's right. Can't see him coming to a basket case like us and jeopardising that
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Post by: Mister E on March 04, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
Quote from: newtonsballs on March 04, 2012, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 04, 2012, 08:01:36 PM
Flores flavour of the month.
They say he's butter than most
Wake up and smell the flowers.
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Post by: Chris Harte on March 04, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
Fuck it, I voted "No" but now I've changed my mind. Trouble is I doubt the "custodian" would be capable of hiring anyone better.
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Post by: hawkeye on March 04, 2012, 09:36:28 PM
The only thing that might get Mcliesh the sack is a very poor take up of season tickets.
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Post by: hawkeye on March 04, 2012, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 04, 2012, 08:20:42 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 04, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
If we could get Lambert, I'd be more than happy. A thinking man's Martin O'Neill.


he won't come. Shoe-in for the celtic job if he plays his card's right. Can't see him coming to a basket case like us and jeopardising that
Not sure the Celtic job is a great prize, but you are right, attracting a decent manager based on the state we are in is going to be very difficult.
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Post by: pav on March 04, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
It was bad enough attracting one last time
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Post by: luke25 on March 04, 2012, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on March 04, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
Fuck it, I voted "No" but now I've changed my mind. Trouble is I doubt the "custodian" would be capable of hiring anyone better.
Thats very much the problem, even if he did get the sack, you just know our main criteria again would be fucking premier league experience and we'd end up with Paul bastard Jewell, makes me feel like crying.
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Post by: BedsVillain on March 04, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
I'd be, (genuinely) interested to know if the 49 people who have so far voted 'NO' have done so becasue they want McLeish to be the manager or if they think it would be even more detrimental to get rid of him.
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Post by: Shoody on March 04, 2012, 09:50:31 PM
Lambert is destined for much bigger things than Celtic..

I'd take any of Lambert, Poyet, Rodgers, Adkins or McDermott. One of them must want to come here.

The problem we have is our players. If we get somebody new in no doubt they too will think they can do better and keep players like Dunne, Collins and Warnock. They need to go ASAP whoever comes in. Need someone who will get rid and replace, but also be much better.
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Post by: Chris Harte on March 04, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on March 04, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
I'd be, (genuinely) interested to know if the 49 people who have so far voted 'NO' have done so becasue they want McLeish to be the manager or if they think it would be even more detrimental to get rid of him.

I voted "No" thinking it would be detrimental to sack him now. In the summer was a different matter, although my opinion has now changed and I want shot now.
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Post by: Holte L2 on March 04, 2012, 10:08:16 PM
Theres not any truth in the press conference rumours tomorrow then? I'd been getting excited all afternoon
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Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2012, 11:16:41 PM
If we fail to get four points against Fulham and Bolton in our next two games, and I think we will, then I hope he gets sacked and we appoint Kev Mac, Sid and Roeder until the end of the season but do our homework on approaching and appointing someone, quickly, as soon as the season is over.  He has to go regardless at the end of the season as he's so poor.  Paul Lambert for me.
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Post by: Irish villain on March 04, 2012, 11:26:47 PM
There's no point getting in Paul Lambert unless we can match his ambition. This has to be a long term project to make Aston Villa great again.

Drifting along hoping to stay in the league while serving up turgid football every week is simply not good enough and not worth an ambitious manager's time and effort.
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Post by: Shoody on March 05, 2012, 12:31:11 AM
No reason why Lambert couldnt be our Moyes?

Theres also absolutely no point in hiring somebody who ISNT ambitious on the grounds of the job (they will be paid around £2m a year to do) taking up too much time and effort.
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Post by: Shoody on March 05, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
And if you buy right and have a good manager a midtable club can get in the fight for Champions League. see Newcastle. They wont get CL, but they are in the fight for it.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 05, 2012, 07:14:12 AM
Quote from: BedsVillain on March 04, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
I'd be, (genuinely) interested to know if the 49 people who have so far voted 'NO' have done so becasue they want McLeish to be the manager or if they think it would be even more detrimental to get rid of him.


Well i've never wanted him particulary as manager but i'd say the following

a)we probably won't go down so we might as well wait to the summer at least so we have a clearer picture and more choice.

b)Of the names i've seen put for forward who i'd like in charge most aren't realistic and seem to be reliant on some relaxation of the present financial conditions to attract them - It's not gonna happen.

c) The other names put forward, i'm not convinced will be any better and their main recommendation seems to be they're not Mcleish. Well we had that last season with Houllier and it didn't get us very far.

d)Given the above points, paying off another manager and his staff is hardly going to help the financial situation because it will come off the transfer budget and leave even less funds for the next mug in charge who's likely to be an underwhelming name to say the least - He'll struggle and come next March we'll all be calling for the next guy . as i said the only option i'd consider would be Cowans because he'll have time from the fans to put it right unless we're really scraping along the bottom
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Post by: preston28 on March 05, 2012, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on March 04, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
Quote from: BedsVillain on March 04, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
I'd be, (genuinely) interested to know if the 49 people who have so far voted 'NO' have done so becasue they want McLeish to be the manager or if they think it would be even more detrimental to get rid of him.

I voted "No" thinking it would be detrimental to sack him now. In the summer was a different matter, although my opinion has now changed and I want shot now.

I voted NO as I don't think he should be sacked NOW!  However if you asked should he be gone at the end of the season (or a). If we are safe from relegation or b). already relageated) then the answer would be YES!!!
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Post by: NeilH on March 05, 2012, 07:37:09 AM
I’m with Greg on this and have also voted no. Just looking at the accounts last week and the money we’ve wasted on managerial payouts makes my stomach churn. As unpalatable as it is to have McLeish in charge of the club, I find it equally unpalatable to have to pay him off with a substantial severance package. Add in the fact that I have zero confidence in the ability of both Lerner and Faulkner to find an effective successor and I’m left with the uncomfortable reality of McLeish staying and seeing out his contract.
The board brought this whole sorry mess upon themselves and in view of the financial state we are also in, we now face the prospect of having to stick with McLeish, no matter what. It is particularly galling as most Villa fans are screaming ‘I told you so.’
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 07:55:40 AM
Still like the idea of a huge 'Faulk off Paul' Banner
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Post by: jonc73 on March 05, 2012, 07:56:06 AM
I also voted no, its too late and he wouldn't be replaced with anyone better. I also think the owner will NEVER get rid of him.
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Post by: Rioch is King on March 05, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
'No' from me - wrong time.  His appointment doesn't take into account the effect the feeling in the crowd has on the players and teams performance - if the crowd were fully behind this team they would play with more heart and less fear and we'd be OK. But that was never going to happen with this manager, even those that were going to give him a chance didn't 'want' him.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 05, 2012, 09:29:45 AM
He's still hanging in there for me, not quite done enough to warrant the sack just yet.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 05, 2012, 09:40:37 AM
If we don't win in the next 3 he has to go.
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Post by: VWBelgian on March 05, 2012, 09:46:04 AM
It was a bad idea all written over it to appoint him in the first place....
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Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
I'm in the 'no' camp as I think he's been poor, but not poor enough to get the sack.  He inherited a mess and has been give very little money to try and put it right, but rather been told to cut wages.  We were always going to be somewhere in mid-table, but when you consider the snippets we've heard about some player's attitudes, player's who he couldn't get shot of, then our lower mid-table position becomes more understandable.

Obviosuly, that doesn't take into account the 'style' of play, which seems most peoples biggest gripe.   
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
We were lucky to finish 9th last year, since when we've lost half that team, including the best players, so to do worse is probably about par. No excuses for the lack of entertainment though. I'd wait and see how he starts next season with more of his own team.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
I've been trying to reconcile in my mind whether it's the style or the results which have really turned me against Mcleish. Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but I genuinely think that the main reason is the style for me. If we were getting the results we have been, but were trying to play good football I think I'd be a lot more patient. As it is even if we survive, I don't see how we'll ever improve if we don't try to adopt a more ambitious approach. Also on a basic level I'd like to be entertained watching Villa, rather than feel like I'm watching us just out of obligation.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 05, 2012, 10:23:18 AM
He needs a whole season at least, or a few transfer windows. That still doesn't excuse 4 months (or whatever it is) without a home win....
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Post by: Mazrim on March 05, 2012, 10:38:16 AM
It's a bit unfair to judge the limits of his ability before he's had a chance to build his own team here.
However, I dont trust him, would rather he didn't have the use of any precious resources we may have and besides which, he built his own team at Blose and they were relegated. He also won their first trophy for a million years, true and relegation is par for the course for them.

Still, cut our ties at the end of the season and get a better manager as part of a new long term plan, which shouldn't be too taxing I would imagine.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
We were lucky to finish 9th last year

I don't think that after 38 games you're final league position is ever 'lucky'.  Our for post the Bent signing was top 6 level, but then we lost our three most creative players in Young, Downing and Walker.  I had hoped Albrighton and N'Zogbia would largely compensate for that, but they haven't.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.

Yes, getting 9th again was always doubtful, but to me that's because of the players attitude, which they put aside in the latter part of 10/11.  The ability is there in the squad, but the desire isn't. 
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.

Yes, getting 9th again was always doubtful, but to me that's because of the players attitude, which they put aside in the latter part of 10/11.  The ability is there in the squad, but the desire isn't. 

"There is a very good living to be made at Villa Park provided the team never looks in danger of being relegated."
Martin Swain, some time in the last century.
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Post by: Merv on March 05, 2012, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 05, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
I've been trying to reconcile in my mind whether it's the style or the results which have really turned me against Mcleish.

It's both, for me. McLeish isn't doing one or the other. We're not 'winning ugly' - while I wouldn't want to see that, if he had a certain approach to games and we were getting results by being effective and organised, fair enough. And if we were playing some encouraging, progressive football but perhaps not always getting results, I'd be able to see the way forward and accept that, long term, we were moving in the right direction. But I don't see that.

There seems to be a point of view that, given time and the opportunity to build his own squad, McLeish will improve. I don't see that. I don't see us as improving. I fear we're now getting into the start (we've perhaps already started) of a negative cycle. We'll finish about where we are now, be a less attractive proposition for potential new players, one or two other key players will look to move on. The manager has a massive influence on the way a club is viewed and perceived. I don't think, with McLeish as the figurehead, Villa will carry that positive image.
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Post by: NeilH on March 05, 2012, 11:30:04 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.

Yes, getting 9th again was always doubtful, but to me that's because of the players attitude, which they put aside in the latter part of 10/11.  The ability is there in the squad, but the desire isn't. 

"There is a very good living to be made at Villa Park provided the team never looks in danger of being relegated."
Martin Swain, some time in the last century.

It remains one of the most painfully succinct descriptions of Villa that I've ever read.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: NeilH on March 05, 2012, 11:30:04 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.

Yes, getting 9th again was always doubtful, but to me that's because of the players attitude, which they put aside in the latter part of 10/11.  The ability is there in the squad, but the desire isn't. 

"There is a very good living to be made at Villa Park provided the team never looks in danger of being relegated."
Martin Swain, some time in the last century.

It remains one of the most painfully succinct descriptions of Villa that I've ever read.

With respect to his peers, Martin regularly summed up life at Villa Park better than anyone else has for years. 
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Post by: Monty on March 05, 2012, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 05, 2012, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 05, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
I've been trying to reconcile in my mind whether it's the style or the results which have really turned me against Mcleish.

It's both, for me. McLeish isn't doing one or the other. We're not 'winning ugly' - while I wouldn't want to see that, if he had a certain approach to games and we were getting results by being effective and organised, fair enough. And if we were playing some encouraging, progressive football but perhaps not always getting results, I'd be able to see the way forward and accept that, long term, we were moving in the right direction. But I don't see that.

There seems to be a point of view that, given time and the opportunity to build his own squad, McLeish will improve. I don't see that. I don't see us as improving. I fear we're now getting into the start (we've perhaps already started) of a negative cycle. We'll finish about where we are now, be a less attractive proposition for potential new players, one or two other key players will look to move on. The manager has a massive influence on the way a club is viewed and perceived. I don't think, with McLeish as the figurehead, Villa will carry that positive image.

Two or three bang-on points there, Merv.
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 11:43:05 AM
I can't stand him and every week i dislike him more. He is really doing his best to stop me giving a shit about my club. I love Villa but am rapidly loosing interest and am worried I won't be able to rekindle it.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:53:25 AM
Fair enough John, but even if we weren't lucky (and I still think we were, if you can ever consider GH's health problems as 'lucky'), but the fact remains we've got worse players, so a dip is perhaps to be expected unless we'd got a really good manager.

Yes, getting 9th again was always doubtful, but to me that's because of the players attitude, which they put aside in the latter part of 10/11.  The ability is there in the squad, but the desire isn't. 

"There is a very good living to be made at Villa Park provided the team never looks in danger of being relegated."
Martin Swain, some time in the last century.

I seems to me that when we have done well in recent times is when a manager gets the team motivated enough to go beyond that, but then we don't actually achieve anything and the malaise sets in again.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
I seems to me that when we have done well in recent times is when a manager gets the team motivated enough to go beyond that, but then we don't actually achieve anything and the malaise sets in again.

I don't think there's one consistent reason why we regularly get so far and no further. Sir Graham got the England job, BFR's team got old together, time has proved Brian was never capable of reversing a problem, O'Neill ran out of money. 
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Post by: Boz on March 05, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Merv on March 05, 2012, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 05, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
I've been trying to reconcile in my mind whether it's the style or the results which have really turned me against Mcleish.

It's both, for me. McLeish isn't doing one or the other. We're not 'winning ugly' - while I wouldn't want to see that, if he had a certain approach to games and we were getting results by being effective and organised, fair enough. And if we were playing some encouraging, progressive football but perhaps not always getting results, I'd be able to see the way forward and accept that, long term, we were moving in the right direction. But I don't see that.

There seems to be a point of view that, given time and the opportunity to build his own squad, McLeish will improve. I don't see that. I don't see us as improving. I fear we're now getting into the start (we've perhaps already started) of a negative cycle. We'll finish about where we are now, be a less attractive proposition for potential new players, one or two other key players will look to move on. The manager has a massive influence on the way a club is viewed and perceived. I don't think, with McLeish as the figurehead, Villa will carry that positive image.

Have to agree, I don't see building his own squad will improve anything based on the players he's been linked with. This as well as his approach to matches and style of play will satisfy no one. He also seem totally inept and lacking in any ability to motivate or keep the team playing for 90 minutes.
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Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2012, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 05, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
We were lucky to finish 9th last year, since when we've lost half that team, including the best players, so to do worse is probably about par. No excuses for the lack of entertainment though. I'd wait and see how he starts next season with more of his own team.

I would agree with this if it wasn't for the fact that a very average fulham team are in 8th currently, just ahead of a very average stoke team in 9th.  We're only 6 points behind Fulham and those points could easily have been made in games where we haven't even tried to compete.  MON and GH were vilified for 'throwing games' by poor selection, AM needs to be equally vilified for throwing games due to tactical decisions.  That he then justifies these by suggesting that we can't compete with those teams so trying to hold on for 0-0 is the only option is sickening.

If he hadn't completely fluffed the tactics against wigan and blackburn (2nd half) we could be 2 points behind 8th.  The reason for sacking him now is we're not likely to go down but if the fans get behind a new guy we could win the next 2 and suddenly we can start looking at the top half and try to make a push for it.

Yeah we'll have to pay him compensation but 5-6 places in the league will make up for that.

The reality is he has lost a large section of the support, whatever the reasons for that he's now never going to get all the fans onside unless we make the top4 or win something, can you see either of those happening in the next 2 years?

It was a terrible appointment and was doomed to fail as soon as we spent any significant time outside the top8, we need to cut our losses and get rid.  I can understand people arguing to leave it until the summer, I have no idea what is in the minds of people who want him to have more time than that, he's done nothing to deserve that kind of support.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
The most disappointing thing is the lack of continuity. Houllier, though he failed to do it mostly, at least wanted us to start to play more football, to understand the importance of keeping the ball. There were signs towards the end of the season when we began to do that a little.

McLeish, for all his faults / benefits, and even ignoring the results he's had so far, is an old school British style manager, very very different from Houllier. What he is doing now is what he "does".

I thought the approach to Martinez was mental at the time, and still do and am not suggesting we should have appointed him, but if he had done, you could - if you looked hard enough - make out some continuity in styles of football. That wasn't the case with McLeish, which is why it's so puzzling.

Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 12:41:52 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 11:47:56 AM
I seems to me that when we have done well in recent times is when a manager gets the team motivated enough to go beyond that, but then we don't actually achieve anything and the malaise sets in again.

I don't think there's one consistent reason why we regularly get so far and no further. Sir Graham got the England job, BFR's team got old together, time has proved Brian was never capable of reversing a problem, O'Neill ran out of money. 

And after all those things, the players that remained 'went throught he motions' when they tought we were finished challenging.  We're not unique in that, but if we were to change manager I'd be looking for a man with great personal ambition, which would rub off on the players and change their expectations of being a Villa player.   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pedro25 on March 05, 2012, 12:42:39 PM
Since we last finished 6th we have lost Milner, Young and Downing and gained Ireland, Bent and N'Zogbia.  The money made has gone on Huton, Given, Makoun etc replacing players who left on frees and on compo for the last 3 managers.  We should still be within touching distance of 6th/7th imo, but under the current boss we are light years behind.  I wont shed a tear if he goes.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 05, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2012, 11:58:14 AM
I don't think there's one consistent reason why we regularly get so far and no further. Sir Graham got the England job, BFR's team got old together, time has proved Brian was never capable of reversing a problem, O'Neill ran out of money. 
and Mr O'Leary? ...
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 05, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on March 05, 2012, 12:42:39 PM
Since we last finished 6th we have lost Milner, Young and Downing and gained Ireland, Bent and N'Zogbia.  The money made has gone on Huton, Given, Makoun etc replacing players who left on frees and on compo for the last 3 managers.  We should still be within touching distance of 6th/7th imo, but under the current boss we are light years behind.  I wont shed a tear if he goes.
add to that a very promising crop of youngsters...
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Post by: Legion on March 05, 2012, 01:02:48 PM
He was a pig-nosed numpty.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on March 05, 2012, 01:08:35 PM
About 3 weeks ago, i thought to myslef, he has inherited a weaker squad that GH's, no money etc and was coming round to supporting him as Villa Manager....

However anyone who plays Heskey over  N Zogbia & Ireland, our current best players, does not have a clue!

He also appears to have a team with no determination or fight...

People say we have a weak squad etc, we must have one of the best squads outside the top 6, so to be where we are just shows how bad McLeish really is!

The quicker he is out the better... But only if the replacement is on the PL Usual Suspect list (Curbs, Bruce etc)

We need to chance a new up and coming manager who plays good football with a desire, and a playing career that the players can respect and look up to!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
The squad is strong in parts, weak-ish in some other parts.

It's not a top six squad, but then again it's not a bottom six squad either.

One thing I will say is that he hasn't had the horrific injury bad luck Houllier had. I struggle to remember a season more screwed by injuries than last season.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on March 05, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Its defo not a top 6 squad, but it is one of the best squads outside the top 6 surely!
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Post by: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
We should be comfortably top half minimum with what we have.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2012, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
We should be comfortably top half minimum with what we have.

That's about right, I reckon.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 05, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 05, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Its defo not a top 6 squad, but it is one of the best squads outside the top 6 surely!

On paper I think it is, but when you look at the defensive ineptitude we've shown, and factor in the rumoured attitude's of some of those defenders, then in actuality it's not.

I do agree there is enough there for top half though.   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Vanilla on March 05, 2012, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2012, 07:00:18 PM
If you have a team which constantly gives the ball away, how is a player that can pass the ball decently a luxury?

Isn't he potentially the solution?

I think in Villa's case now, any creative player (if we had any) would be drummed out of town. You could almost imagine if Young was still here, he would probably be keeping the bench warm.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
Decentarticle on the Football Ramble site (http://www.thefootballramble.com/blog/entry/mcleish-and-villa-still-relying-on-the-silent-majority)
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Post by: ozzjim on March 05, 2012, 06:02:44 PM
I think a squad with NZogbia, Bent, Ireland, Petrov, Dunne, Given and some of the other players we have should be mid table at the very minimum. 12-8th is par. 7th possible. We are under performing in the current league, the speed MON picked up points showed that.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on March 05, 2012, 06:17:44 PM
Yeah,apart from the top 3,its a pretty average league,Stoke and Fulham string together a couple of wins and shoot up the league. The fact that we havent had back to back wins all season,or had a decent unbeaten run since October tells how poor weve been. The squad is good enough to finish 9-12 but for one reason or another the team have under performed and so have the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
I don't think we do have a top half side.
Our defence was turning to shit two years ago and now the majority of them are older and with more attitude.
Our midfield is mixed with talent, aging pros and upcoming kids - we haven't had a balanced midfield since Milner left.
Our attack is one of the most dangerous in the league. The above negates just about everything they can achieve.

Taking into account just one of the above three is better than the rest, then we are where we should be - as much as it pains me to say it.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: CJ on March 05, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on March 05, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
Decentarticle on the Football Ramble site (http://www.thefootballramble.com/blog/entry/mcleish-and-villa-still-relying-on-the-silent-majority)

Excellent article - puts the situation very succinctly
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: ozzjim on March 05, 2012, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
I don't think we do have a top half side.
Our defence was turning to shit two years ago and now the majority of them are older and with more attitude.
Our midfield is mixed with talent, aging pros and upcoming kids - we haven't had a balanced midfield since Milner left.
Our attack is one of the most dangerous in the league. The above negates just about everything they can achieve.

Taking into account just one of the above three is better than the rest, then we are where we should be - as much as it pains me to say it.

On paper I would disagree about the defence, and it is an area where McLeish was meant to be adept at improving, and has failed to in spectacular fashion. He spent 8 million on it in Given and Hutton, but looking at Dunne for Ireland he has not lost his ability. Cuellar should have played far more, and Warnock dropped a long time before he was. It is not a bad back 4 on paper though when you compare it to the other sides in the table realistically, and age is much less of a factor at the back than anywhere else on the pitch. 

Midfield is our achilles heel in terms of quality, but again he spent 10 million on NZogbia and saw fit to jettison Makoun for Jenas who managed about 4 minutes for us. It wasn't the most astute move you will ever see.

Up front we have talent for sure, but has he ever got the side playing in a manner to utilise it effectively? Bent and Gabby have not looked comfortable and he has bottled the decision to drop one or the other unless injury dictates.

I won't even get started on the fact that Albrighton looks a woeful player on the left where he seems to want to play him, and NZogbia is better down the left. He is just not a very good manager. A half decent one would have us 10th or above. The whole approach to games has been wrong apart from about 5 this season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2012, 07:08:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 05, 2012, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
I don't think we do have a top half side.
Our defence was turning to shit two years ago and now the majority of them are older and with more attitude.
Our midfield is mixed with talent, aging pros and upcoming kids - we haven't had a balanced midfield since Milner left.
Our attack is one of the most dangerous in the league. The above negates just about everything they can achieve.

Taking into account just one of the above three is better than the rest, then we are where we should be - as much as it pains me to say it.

On paper I would disagree about the defence, and it is an area where McLeish was meant to be adept at improving, and has failed to in spectacular fashion. He spent 8 million on it in Given and Hutton, but looking at Dunne for Ireland he has not lost his ability. Cuellar should have played far more, and Warnock dropped a long time before he was. It is not a bad back 4 on paper though when you compare it to the other sides in the table realistically, and age is much less of a factor at the back than anywhere else on the pitch. 

Midfield is our achilles heel in terms of quality, but again he spent 10 million on NZogbia and saw fit to jettison Makoun for Jenas who managed about 4 minutes for us. It wasn't the most astute move you will ever see.

Up front we have talent for sure, but has he ever got the side playing in a manner to utilise it effectively? Bent and Gabby have not looked comfortable and he has bottled the decision to drop one or the other unless injury dictates.

I won't even get started on the fact that Albrighton looks a woeful player on the left where he seems to want to play him, and NZogbia is better down the left. He is just not a very good manager. A half decent one would have us 10th or above. The whole approach to games has been wrong apart from about 5 this season.

Spot on.  we're clearly not good enough to compete with the top 6 this season but anything below that should have been fair game.  Last season was the same but Houllier had the mitigating factor of a shocking run of injuries from october until december.  The other important factor was that he saws faults in the squad and made signings to fix the most important.  2 of his signings were probably our 2 best players from Jan until the end of the season.  Have any of McLeish's signings had any major impact?  Given I guess but other than that none of them have done anything to improve our results (I include Keane in that, despite him looking decent our results were very poor with him in the team).

The decision to let Makoun go and replace him with a guy who had been struggling for form/fitness for a couple of seasons seemed odd at the time, in hindsight it was a huge mistake.

The nzogbia/albrighton thing is the one that is driving me insane, we have a youngster who came through on the right wing and looked productive and dangerous.  He's now being played on the left and looks totally out of sorts, it's insane but it all sums up his need to have a tight narrow midfield.  I'd even be willing to let it go if we were bossing things in there but we're not, so the narrow game is not only making us uncreative and predictable it's not even limiting the space for the opposition.
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Post by: Villanation on March 05, 2012, 07:37:38 PM
There is no question we have a strong enough squad to compete in the top half and IMO top 7 or 8.

You only have to look at players like Gabby, Bent, Ireland, Given, N'Zogbia, (there's a player in there somewhere) Bannan, Petrov (this season, not much left in the tank)

Then you look at the next level and even in the case of these players I would put money on the fact that if we sold them they would go to teams challenging for top half, players like Hutton, Warnock, Albrighton, probably Dunne ( again getting on a bit) Cuellor.

There is a decent team in there but you have to have a manager that can utilize them and that the players understand what he wants and we haven't got either, same at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mr woo on March 05, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on March 04, 2012, 08:49:16 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2012, 08:09:19 AM
In my lifetime of following Villa I would estimate that five percent of that time the feelings have been of excitement and even euphoria very occasionally.   The other ninety five percent has been teetering on the brink of rapid decline and catastrophe.

My son who has a brilliant turn of imagery compared it to being the last sniper in Stalingrad counting his bullets and his cigarettes.   For me the endless recurrence of days like yesterday make me feel like the guy in The Deerhunter sitting there with my Proud Past Bright Future scarf tied around my head waiting to be passed the revolver.

Haha, that made me snort out loud! And that's Cavatina in my head for the rest of the day

**. Smart arse alert **

Did you know that Stanley Myers, the composer of Cavatina (commonly known as the theme from the Deerhunter) was in fact born in Brum and went to King Edwards school?

Who knows, he may even qualify as a 'maybe' on the celebrity Villa fan list...
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Boz on March 05, 2012, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
I don't think we do have a top half side.
Our defence was turning to shit two years ago and now the majority of them are older and with more attitude.
Our midfield is mixed with talent, aging pros and upcoming kids - we haven't had a balanced midfield since Milner left.
Our attack is one of the most dangerous in the league. The above negates just about everything they can achieve.

Taking into account just one of the above three is better than the rest, then we are where we should be - as much as it pains me to say it.

On paper, but they fail to deliver consistent performances. I agree the service they receive is poor most of the time, but when they get chances, they more often than not fail to take them. Saturday was a case in point in the first half.

Add this to AM's poor tactical and motivational skills and it's plain his style of play has us in the position we're in.

Lerner should take a leaf out of Abramovitch's book and look for another manager, preferably one who can motivate and wants to play more attractive football.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: Boz on March 05, 2012, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on March 05, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
I don't think we do have a top half side.
Our defence was turning to shit two years ago and now the majority of them are older and with more attitude.
Our midfield is mixed with talent, aging pros and upcoming kids - we haven't had a balanced midfield since Milner left.
Our attack is one of the most dangerous in the league. The above negates just about everything they can achieve.

Taking into account just one of the above three is better than the rest, then we are where we should be - as much as it pains me to say it.

On paper, but they fail to deliver consistent performances. I agree the service they receive is poor most of the time, but when they get chances, they more often than not fail to take them. Saturday was a case in point in the first half.

Add this to AM's poor tactical and motivational skills and it's plain his style of play has us in the position we're in.

Lerner should take a leaf out of Abramovitch's book and look for another manager, preferably one who can motivate and wants to play more attractive football.


the thing is, give Bent 3-4 chances a game and he'll more than likely put at least 1 away, That's good enough to be competitive and should've seen him hit at least 1 every 2 games.

Seeing the performance of the reserves tonight really brings home how poor a job has been done with getting these guys into the first team squad.  We should be looking at a conveyer belt of great youngsters coming through and filling out the squad but they've either not been given a decent run of games or they've been misused in a system they're not suited too.  I've said it before but we really need someone high up at the club who's job is to make sure that everything is in place to make a success of these kids.  If we're not able to spend huge sums and pay massive wages it's criminal to fail to make the most of our youth success.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Louzie0 on March 05, 2012, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 05, 2012, 10:20:26 AM
I've been trying to reconcile in my mind whether it's the style or the results which have really turned me against Mcleish. Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but I genuinely think that the main reason is the style for me. If we were getting the results we have been, but were trying to play good football I think I'd be a lot more patient. As it is even if we survive, I don't see how we'll ever improve if we don't try to adopt a more ambitious approach. Also on a basic level I'd like to be entertained watching Villa, rather than feel like I'm watching us just out of obligation.

I'm reminded of an interview that Luke Young gave to AV (I think during the Asian cup) last year.  He said it was really difficult being in training and having to change from one regime to another - and to another, and then to another (at that stage we'd gone through MON, SMc, Kmc and GH -I think).

Whilst there's a genuine belief that some of our players are sticking to what they know best, I think this happens when they feel they are under pressure.  It's not that the players aren't ambitious, or even that they have forgotten how to play.  Just, for some reason, that they want to stay doing the things where they feel they are safe.

I think an effective manager should be able to overcome this and it may be that AMcL has not had enough time, yet.  I joined the 'dark side' this week on the poll but I'm not hurrying into the shed to paint sheets. 

How much time does he need?  Or is he banking on surviving to the summer, selling off the malcontents and starting again?  If he is, why would he think that bringing in other clubs' bosmans, as quoted in other threads, is the way to go? 

Unless he's been told there's no chance of re-investing money from the players he sells. In which case, we have a lonely and difficult road ahead of us.

Bring on the Qataris!
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: claret and blue blood on March 05, 2012, 10:42:57 PM
Anyone else feel sick in the stomach at the prospect of enduring anymore of McLiesh's terrible brand of cowardly and  negative tactics? I,m really not looking forward to Saturday and if I have to hear any more loyal season ticket holders say there's no way they are renewing if he's still here next season I'll go mad.
Get him out he's killing our club !   
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Lowendbehold on March 05, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on March 05, 2012, 10:42:57 PM
Anyone else feel sick in the stomach at the prospect of enduring anymore of McLiesh's terrible brand of cowardly and  negative tactics? I,m really not looking forward to Saturday and if I have to hear any more loyal season ticket holders say there's no way they are renewing if he's still here next season I'll go mad.
Get him out he's killing our club !   

To help you not feel any worse, I'm renewing next season.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 06, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Killing our club is going too far. Do you know what, if I had any faith in him, I could make a case for giving him the summer to shape the squad as he chooses and give him next year to see what he can do.

Unfortunately, he does not have the luxury of that faith from many and it will have a disastrous effect on attendances if he is still here next year.

And that is the problem with making such a divisive appointment and then tieing his hands on transfers.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 06, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Killing our club is going too far. Do you know what, if I had any faith in him, I could make a case for giving him the summer to shape the squad as he chooses and give him next year to see what he can do.

Unfortunately, he does not have the luxury of that faith from many and it will have a disastrous effect on attendances if he is still here next year.

And that is the problem with making such a divisive appointment and then tieing his hands on transfers.

I wouldn't want Mcleish to be trusted with a free reign for Transfers,  I think we have a decent team at the minute not outstanding but a good mix and with the current Team a lot of Manager's could get us finishing in the top 8 maybe higher.

Out of the teams above us we have a better squad in my opinion than, Swansea, Everton, Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom, Stoke and Fulham and all of those Managers would kill to have most of our players in their Team.

Its just obvious McLeish has very little tactical ability or cant get through to the players how he wants them to play.

Our defence for instance isint as bad as it looks, its just McLeish doesn't seem to want to defend from the front and is quite willing to let the opposition have plenty of the ball until the final third which puts too much strain on the back four which is how teams like Swansea and spurs ripped us apart.

So if he cant get our current players in the top half of the table I dont see how bringing in new faces is going to make such a difference
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Post by: ROBBO on March 06, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
Lerner misread the situation once again, even if MCleish by some miracle had got Villa into the top six this season there would have been many still wanting him out,unreasonable i know but thats how some supporters see it. He needed to have us playing decent football winning as many as we're losing with a hint of promise to come, but instead he has us playing some of the worst football seen at Villa Park with the belief that if not this year then next we will be relegated. When season ticket sales hit rock bottom only then,maybe will he understand
that he got it wrong once again.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 06, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Killing our club is going too far. Do you know what, if I had any faith in him, I could make a case for giving him the summer to shape the squad as he chooses and give him next year to see what he can do.

Unfortunately, he does not have the luxury of that faith from many and it will have a disastrous effect on attendances if he is still here next year.

And that is the problem with making such a divisive appointment and then tieing his hands on transfers.

I wouldn't want Mcleish to be trusted with a free reign for Transfers,  I think we have a decent team at the minute not outstanding but a good mix and with the current Team a lot of Manager's could get us finishing in the top 8 maybe higher.

Out of the teams above us we have a better squad in my opinion than, Swansea, Everton, Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom, Stoke and Fulham and all of those Managers would kill to have most of our players in their Team.

Its just obvious McLeish has very little tactical ability or cant get through to the players how he wants them to play.

Our defence for instance isint as bad as it looks, its just McLeish doesn't seem to want to defend from the front and is quite willing to let the opposition have plenty of the ball until the final third which puts too much strain on the back four which is how teams like Swansea and spurs ripped us apart.

So if he cant get our current players in the top half of the table I dont see how bringing in new faces is going to make such a difference

The defenders have made individual error after individual error all through this season, so I'm afraid it is as bad as it looks.  If nothing else he needs to be able to rebuild that defence and give the better forwards we have more of a platform to win us games.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 06, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Killing our club is going too far. Do you know what, if I had any faith in him, I could make a case for giving him the summer to shape the squad as he chooses and give him next year to see what he can do.

Unfortunately, he does not have the luxury of that faith from many and it will have a disastrous effect on attendances if he is still here next year.

And that is the problem with making such a divisive appointment and then tieing his hands on transfers.

I wouldn't want Mcleish to be trusted with a free reign for Transfers,  I think we have a decent team at the minute not outstanding but a good mix and with the current Team a lot of Manager's could get us finishing in the top 8 maybe higher.

Out of the teams above us we have a better squad in my opinion than, Swansea, Everton, Sunderland, Norwich, West Brom, Stoke and Fulham and all of those Managers would kill to have most of our players in their Team.

Its just obvious McLeish has very little tactical ability or cant get through to the players how he wants them to play.

Our defence for instance isint as bad as it looks, its just McLeish doesn't seem to want to defend from the front and is quite willing to let the opposition have plenty of the ball until the final third which puts too much strain on the back four which is how teams like Swansea and spurs ripped us apart.

So if he cant get our current players in the top half of the table I dont see how bringing in new faces is going to make such a difference

The defenders have made individual error after individual error all through this season, so I'm afraid it is as bad as it looks.  If nothing else he needs to be able to rebuild that defence and give the better forwards we have more of a platform to win us games.

possibly because theirs a lot more pressure on them? Its pretty much the same defence that got us into the carling cup final, semi final of the FA cup and 6th in the League is it not?

Apart from Hutton who we could easily switch Carlos back their like we have done before and although isint a recognized right back has done well! 
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
The defenders have made individual error after individual error all through this season, so I'm afraid it is as bad as it looks.  If nothing else he needs to be able to rebuild that defence and give the better forwards we have more of a platform to win us games.

I actually think the defence has looked more solid of late.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
The defenders have made individual error after individual error all through this season, so I'm afraid it is as bad as it looks.  If nothing else he needs to be able to rebuild that defence and give the better forwards we have more of a platform to win us games.

I actually think the defence has looked more solid of late.

Over the last three games we've only let in two goals, one of which was to the league leaders, so there are some good sings there, I agree.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
Its pretty much the same defence that got us into the carling cup final, semi final of the FA cup and 6th in the League is it not?

It is, but for whatever reason they've been largely shit since MON left.  We can't really blame AM for that, as Houllier had the same problem.
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Post by: DB on March 06, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 09:30:59 AM
The defenders have made individual error after individual error all through this season, so I'm afraid it is as bad as it looks.  If nothing else he needs to be able to rebuild that defence and give the better forwards we have more of a platform to win us games.

So do I, with exeption of Warnock. I defence is put under more pressure from the ball given away, Sat 2nd hald was terrible, no more than 2 passes before we gave it away.

I actually think the defence has looked more solid of late.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 06, 2012, 10:35:20 AM
The defence has looked better , maybe that is a lot to do with Cuellar .   But I know If Dunne was fit , McLeish would not be playing him .   He had plenty of chances to start with Cuellar when the defence looked shit but never played him.
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Post by: frank on March 06, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
Its pretty much the same defence that got us into the carling cup final, semi final of the FA cup and 6th in the League is it not?

It is, but for whatever reason they've been largely shit since MON left.  We can't really blame AM for that, as Houllier had the same problem.
Even before MON left they weren't infallible. In over 50 years I've never seen us concede more than the 7 at Stamford Bridge in 2010, when Dunne, Collins, L Young and Warnock were playing.
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Post by: Tony Boucher on March 06, 2012, 11:07:19 AM
Don't know if anyone else picked up on this match report from the Telegraph, but I thought it was a bit odd & in hindsight, it's not that surprising we played so badly in the second half - surely this sort of thing can only produce negativity for the rest of the game:

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Aston Villa frustrated by their own failings as Blackburn Rovers fight back to earn draw

Aston Villa players had a heated exchange in the dressing room at half-time but the “shouting match”, as Alex McLeish described it, did not have the desired effect as Blackburn struck late to seal a 1-1 draw at Ewood Park.

By Arindam Rej

11:00PM GMT 04 Mar 2012

The Aston Villa players were furious that they led by only one goal at the break after a dominant first half but David Dunn headed home in the 85th minute to earn a draw for the home side.

“All the lads were disappointed we were not more ahead,” said McLeish. “They were lamenting and having a shouting match about that at half-time. But it was over and we had to concentrate on the second half.

“I want my players to be demanding of each other. They are quite a quiet bunch and, when you hear them talking like that, you are starting to see that fire as a group.”

Captain Stiliyan Petrov was still angry after the match. “It’s the story of our season – from being so good to being so poor,” he said. “That’s why we are in this position. We should have been away with three points and we couldn’t do it again.

“As I said to the boys, there’s no excuses this time. We are playing well and we can win games – it’s just getting more and more frustrating.”

At least Villa are being buoyed by Charles N’Zogbia’s improved attitude. After a fallout with his manager and public statement of unhappiness, N’Zogbia’s Villa future looked in doubt last month. Now, though, he looks back in form.

The 25-year-old winger scored their goal here with a superb finish, and was only denied a second by an excellent save from Paul Robinson, who kept Blackburn in the contest.

Petrov said: “Charles is motivated to go and show what he’s all about. He went through a tough period and now we need him for the final 11 games. He’s a strong character and some people need longer to settle.”

Blackburn face Wolves away next and the Lancashire side’s manager Steve Kean warned his players: “If we play like we did in the first half then we are going to struggle. That’s just the facts.

"You can ask any Villa midfield player and they will tell you that they had the time and space to pick their head up and play any pass they wanted to.”

I'd have hoped the manger would step in & say "forget about the missed chances - keep playing & we will score more" - but instead they seemed to be feeling sorry for themselves & played like it.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 05, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Its defo not a top 6 squad, but it is one of the best squads outside the top 6 surely!

On paper I think it is, but when you look at the defensive ineptitude we've shown, and factor in the rumoured attitude's of some of those defenders, then in actuality it's not.

I do agree there is enough there for top half though.

Lol if I said best team outside the top 6... meaning thats 7th, 8th, or 9th

and you say probably not, but defo a top half team... with is 7th, 8th or 9th...

How can you disagree with me?

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Post by: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 11:13:05 AM
The TEAM isnt good enough (i mean big eck's startign 11) but the squad should be good enough for top half finish if you pick the right players...

I have seen at least 10 teams this season that are awful and we should have been a lot better than them!

A few weeks ago I argued it is far more constructive to support the team including the manager, but I am starting to struggle now, Its not wholly Big Eck, he clearly isnt that great a tactician, it is also the owener, and his lack of communication and the aggressive cuts.

Just feels like we will end up in relegation fight next season with a load of ageing free transfers costing us a fortune in wages!
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Post by: DB on March 06, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
I've said it before, Norwich, Swansea, Stoke and even Newcasltle have better team / squads than us??? I don't think so, AM is not getting the best out of them, far from it. If they played to their full potential or anywhere near it, we would be competing for the Europa.
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Post by: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Is there anyone left who thinks we need to just get behind the manager and team...

Or is everyone now fed up and against the Manager?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Is there anyone left who thinks we need to just get behind the manager and team...

Or is everyone now fed up and against the Manager?

To be fair, the crowd do get behind the team. Look at the second half of QPR at home, or the Arsenal game, for an example of that. Or numerous away games, for that matter.

I actually think that the amount of stick AM has got at games is nothing compared to the impression you'd get if you went by the reports of the media.

Any stick he has got is largely what you'd expect for fans of a team who haven't won a home game for four months now, and who are 15th in the table.
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Post by: DB on March 06, 2012, 02:24:06 PM
We are come matchday. However, getting behind AM won't make a jot of difference to his ability as a manager which has got us into this position in the table.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 05, 2012, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 05, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Its defo not a top 6 squad, but it is one of the best squads outside the top 6 surely!

On paper I think it is, but when you look at the defensive ineptitude we've shown, and factor in the rumoured attitude's of some of those defenders, then in actuality it's not.

I do agree there is enough there for top half though.

Lol if I said best team outside the top 6... meaning thats 7th, 8th, or 9th

and you say probably not, but defo a top half team... with is 7th, 8th or 9th...

How can you disagree with me?

I can disagree with you on the basis that if they players were playing to form we're as good as anything outside the top 6, but that would be excluding the fact that the defenders we have seem to have forgotten how to defend.  So, we have full internationals in Collins, Dunne and Warnock, who have largely played at a Championship level this season.  And that's down to them and their individual errors, not the manager.

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Post by: Vanilla on March 06, 2012, 02:27:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 06, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
Killing our club is going too far. Do you know what, if I had any faith in him, I could make a case for giving him the summer to shape the squad as he chooses and give him next year to see what he can do.

Unfortunately, he does not have the luxury of that faith from many and it will have a disastrous effect on attendances if he is still here next year.

And that is the problem with making such a divisive appointment and then tieing his hands on transfers.

In regards to the summer transfers, I think I have seen in the Birmingham Mail about seven times in the last two weeks, references to a big summer squad upheaval at Villa. Not sure if that is just intentional vibes from Villa to the paper, to put a spin on a couple of cheap purchases and free signings as well as a few players leaving look positive, or if funds for decent signings a going to be made available.

Sadly, I think it's the former.

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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: frank on March 06, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 10:19:35 AM
Its pretty much the same defence that got us into the carling cup final, semi final of the FA cup and 6th in the League is it not?

It is, but for whatever reason they've been largely shit since MON left.  We can't really blame AM for that, as Houllier had the same problem.
Even before MON left they weren't infallible. In over 50 years I've never seen us concede more than the 7 at Stamford Bridge in 2010, when Dunne, Collins, L Young and Warnock were playing.

No they weren't infallible - what defence is?  But you can't judge them on one result, but rather over the whole season, during which they were excellent and we had (I think) the 3rd or 4th best defensive record in the league.
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Post by: achilles on March 06, 2012, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Is there anyone left who thinks we need to just get behind the manager and team...

Or is everyone now fed up and against the Manager?

Quite honestly I think he is getting off very lightly, in comparison to past managers!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2012, 02:38:17 PM
I think he has got off very lightly indeed. Whether you want to look at style of football or results or both this season has been dreadful on every level. The fans have shown remarkable patience overall, but enough is enough.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Definitely a need for a new poll. If we had a swingometer it would show a major change since the paranoia of immediate post-Blackburn. At one time you could count the 'Nos' on the fingers of one hand.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 02:23:13 PM
Any stick he has got is largely what you'd expect for fans of a team who haven't won a home game for four months now, and who are 15th in the table.
Seeing that fact in cold black and white, brutally hits home how shit McLeish is and how incompotent Randy and co are.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2012, 02:42:18 PM
No home win for four months is absolutely unbelievable and like I said the patience of the fans has been remarkable overall. I'm not so sure there would be that bigger change in the poll from immeadiately post-Blackburn to now, nothing has changed. Our record this season speaks for itself, atrocious.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 02:44:50 PM
The brilliance of the reserves last night keeps the dream alive.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
Weimann deserves a start soon.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 03:04:07 PM
23.8% at the moment.
It was like shots in last night. They were firing them at goal from all over as if to say to the manager 'pick me, pick me'. Ask and it shall be given.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 06, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Definitely a need for a new poll. If we had a swingometer it would show a major change since the paranoia of immediate post-Blackburn. At one time you could count the 'Nos' on the fingers of one hand.

Look at those who have said "no", though, most of them do so on the basis that it'd be impossible to replace him with someone now. It's hardly the most ringing of endorsements.
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Post by: TheSandman on March 06, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
We should have a new poll that goes 'Sack Now, Sack in the Summer or Don't Sack'. As things stand it is a bit ambiguous as to which you vote for if you think he should be potted in the summer.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 06, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Definitely a need for a new poll. If we had a swingometer it would show a major change since the paranoia of immediate post-Blackburn. At one time you could count the 'Nos' on the fingers of one hand.

Look at those who have said "no", though, most of them do so on the basis that it'd be impossible to replace him with someone now. It's hardly the most ringing of endorsements.

As one of the 'no' camp, I don't think it'd be impossible to replace him now, just pointless.

He's underachieved with the squad, but not so much that he deserves the sack.  That'll probably be my feeling during the summer too, so my hopes lie with Randy backing him to give us that much needed clear out more than him going and a new man coming in, and we then have ANOTHER season of transition. 
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Post by: mrfuse on March 06, 2012, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
Weimann deserves a start soon.

I agree but not with McLeish in charge it will undo all the good work thats been done in the reserves
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 03:39:17 PM
23.7%. The rot is setting in again.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2012, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2012, 03:06:29 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 06, 2012, 02:39:27 PM
Definitely a need for a new poll. If we had a swingometer it would show a major change since the paranoia of immediate post-Blackburn. At one time you could count the 'Nos' on the fingers of one hand.

Look at those who have said "no", though, most of them do so on the basis that it'd be impossible to replace him with someone now. It's hardly the most ringing of endorsements.

As one of the 'no' camp, I don't think it'd be impossible to replace him now, just pointless.

He's underachieved with the squad, but not so much that he deserves the sack.  That'll probably be my feeling during the summer too, so my hopes lie with Randy backing him to give us that much needed clear out more than him going and a new man coming in, and we then have ANOTHER season of transition. 

Randy isn't going to back him with too much cash, so I don't see what big difference McLeish will be able to make.

Some Bosmans and a couple of cheap fee players won't get us anywhere near where we need to be.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 03:50:56 PM
23.6%.
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Post by: Mister E on March 06, 2012, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: achilles on March 06, 2012, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Is there anyone left who thinks we need to just get behind the manager and team...

Or is everyone now fed up and against the Manager?

Quite honestly I think he is getting off very lightly, in comparison to past managers!
Definitely - said this earlier in this thread (I think). Apart from Wigan away, it's been remarkably restrained.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on March 06, 2012, 02:21:00 PM
Is there anyone left who thinks we need to just get behind the manager and team...


Yes.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 06, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
Back up to 23.9%.
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Post by: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 06, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
We should have a new poll that goes 'Sack Now, Sack in the Summer or Don't Sack'. As things stand it is a bit ambiguous as to which you vote for if you think he should be potted in the summer.

Dont agree, it would split the 'sack' vote.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 06, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 06, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
We should have a new poll that goes 'Sack Now, Sack in the Summer or Don't Sack'. As things stand it is a bit ambiguous as to which you vote for if you think he should be potted in the summer.

Dont agree, it would split the 'sack' vote.

We don't want to split the sack.
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Post by: Monty on March 06, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 06, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
We should have a new poll that goes 'Sack Now, Sack in the Summer or Don't Sack'. As things stand it is a bit ambiguous as to which you vote for if you think he should be potted in the summer.

Dont agree, it would split the 'sack' vote.

It would, but it would still be the number of people who don't want him as the manager of our club going forward. At the moment, I suspect it looks like there's more support for him in this regard than there actually is.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on March 06, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 06, 2012, 03:09:02 PM
We should have a new poll that goes 'Sack Now, Sack in the Summer or Don't Sack'. As things stand it is a bit ambiguous as to which you vote for if you think he should be potted in the summer.

Dont agree, it would split the 'sack' vote.

We don't want to split the sack.

Yep, it looked painful enough when Scott Dann did it!
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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 03:44:06 PM
Randy isn't going to back him with too much cash, so I don't see what big difference McLeish will be able to make.

Some Bosmans and a couple of cheap fee players won't get us anywhere near where we need to be.

In which case that would be the result whoever is in charge!

I think the financial backing may be in paying off the players who we need shot of, as opposed to being on new ones coming in.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 06, 2012, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 03:44:06 PM
Randy isn't going to back him with too much cash, so I don't see what big difference McLeish will be able to make.

Some Bosmans and a couple of cheap fee players won't get us anywhere near where we need to be.

In which case that would be the result whoever is in charge!

I think the financial backing may be in paying off the players who we need shot of, as opposed to being on new ones coming in.

What I should have said is that I think that there are Managers out there who could do a better job with the meagre resources, certainly they could do better with what we've got.

That said, If Randy REALLY thinks he's the right man for the job, he should back him heavily in the transfer market.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 06, 2012, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
That said, If Randy REALLY thinks he's the right man for the job, he should back him heavily in the transfer market.

No arguments from me on that point.
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Post by: Vanilla on March 06, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 04:18:51 PM

That said, If Randy REALLY thinks he's the right man for the job, he should back him heavily in the transfer market.

What if 'right man' only means somebody who will keep quiet, does as he is told and not keep knocking on his door every 5 mins asking for transfer funds?
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 06, 2012, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on March 06, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 06, 2012, 04:18:51 PM

That said, If Randy REALLY thinks he's the right man for the job, he should back him heavily in the transfer market.

What if 'right man' only means somebody who will keep quiet, does as he is told and not keep knocking on his door every 5 mins asking for transfer funds?

Quite.

Lerner thinks he's the man to take us forward, so let's see if that belief equates to a decent transfer fund.

Don't think it will though.
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Post by: villajk on March 06, 2012, 06:33:25 PM

Found on Twitter.

13 COMMENTS »POSTED IN ASTON VILLA, AVILLAFAN.COMMAR 6, 2012

As many of you already may know. I am not happy with the way the club has not only been performing but also the actions of the board & chairman behind the scenes.

So I have sent not only to Sharon Barnhurst who is the club secretary but also to Paul Faulkner himself. Neither have replied back to my message, but, I thought I would share it with you guys:

Dear Mr Faulkner,

I write to you as a season ticket holder of our great club. I purchased it when the club did the promotion for the North Stand at the cost of £200. I have been a lifelong supporter & they are a big part of my life (Yeah I know, sounds lame but hear me out).

Under Martin, we produced some really good football at home & away. Even before the likes of Ashley Young graced our club, we knew that Martin could take us places. He’s man management skills where next to known & I like many others where honored to have him as our boss. He brought in some good players & the direction of the club was looking great.

The talk of redeveloping the North Stand got fans excited & crowds would roar our players to victory week in-week out.

Sadly, whatever happened in that summer break is between you, Martin O’Neill & Mr Lerner. The news of Martin walking out from the club was a shock to everyone all linked & I feel the slide began from there.

Mr Houllier’s appointment was one that came out of left field. But, we gave him a chance to show what he could do. He produced some great things at Liverpool & many thought the glory days would come back. Sadly, due to his health issues I can understand why the club took action to remove him from the post as manager. We were grateful for what he did for the club.

But, this summer. I am sorry to say, the club & the board have made a terrible mistake in bringing in Mr McLeish. Not only did he take his former employers down twice, we even paid out for him to come to our club! But the connections with Birmingham where not the issue for me. It was the fact that many had seen the football he produced at Birmingham City quoting it as defensive & negative.

I was willing to give Alex a chance to show us what he can do & the first few results showed that Alex could get results out of games. This is sadly where the bubble has burst. Mr McLeish’s tactics & man management skills have produced the most negative, boring football I have witnessed as a fan at the club. There have been a number of games at home this season where we have looked so negative the likes of Halesowen Town could of done a better job.

The results to Wigan & Blackburn were not acceptable in any shape or form. Anyone who says they were good results must be looking at something different. We beat these sides at home this season! Over a number of seasons we have beaten these sides in their own back yards.

Mr McLeish is taking the soul out of our club. Do you honestly think we as supporters & fans are excited about coming out & watching our team? We live in fear of us being relegated from the premier league. Where we have stood tall in the darkest of hours but stood like gods when we have pulled off fantastic results such as the 3-2 win over Everton.

A fan produced a banner which is now world famous. “We ain’t fickle, we just don’t like you” has been shown through the years. This is sadly what a number of Villa fans including myself think & feel about Mr McLeish. Blaming the pitches, & players are not the type of thing we want to see from our manager. Why can’t Mr McLeish just come out & say, “Yeah, I cocked up”.

His attitude to the younger players such as Mark Albrighton has been nothing but disgraceful. The likes of Alan Hutton & Stephen Warnock who have played like pub players for most of the season have either been praised or nothing has been said at all over their poor performances.

Fans do not stop renewing season tickets or stop coming to games for no reason. The club must see this. I blame Mr McLeish for the boring, negative football, which is now being forced upon us.

The blame doesn’t stop with Mr McLeish though.  You, the board & the chairman, must also shoulder the blame. Sugar coat it as much as you want. Producing these letters from Mr McLeish & trying to win over fans with them isn’t going to help. Even the one being produced to win fans over this summer is not going to change fans minds. You employed this man to make this club great again, but its come back & bitten you guys on the bum.

Many have called for Alex to step down or to be removed from his post as manager. I have taken part in the survey the club has been doing to see if fans will renew next season. I will be honest with you now Paul, I will not if Mr McLeish is still there as our manager come the start of the new season. I told them this on the day I took the survey back in January & I stand by my choice. I cannot put myself through the pain & hurt again next season. I cannot fork out another £400 or so to watch the dullest football I have ever seen at Villa Park. It is even worse than when Mr O’Leary was in charge. As you can see, I am passionate about the club I have supported from a young age.

But, I also feel it is time for Mr Lerner to look into our means of revenue. If it is this rumoured QIA deal or if it is a takeover or just an investment deal. We do not care. Cutting the wage bill by over £500k per week, removing 17 players during the summer including Young & Downing & shelving the plans for redevelopment are the tips of the iceberg. But, when the club only bring in Robbie Keane on a two-month deal worth £500k in January & say we cannot add to the bill until the summer has caused fans blood to boil.

We do not want anymore PR letters, stunts or anything else from the club. We do not want to hear from you & I do not mean that disrespectfully. We want to hear from Mr Lerner himself. He is quick enough to speak to radio stations in the states with regards to his businesses & the Cleveland Browns. Why can’t he come out & speak to us here. We have a right to know the direction of our club & if Randy is totally happy to commit to us like many of the press & you have stated. But, if it is not the case and Mr Lerner cannot commit to us or is short on cash. Maybe it is time for him to consider his options & let us fans know what the deal is.

I hope you can come back to me with some form of response that can make me proud to be a villa fan once again.

I want to thank you for your time out of your busy schedule for reading this & hope you have a good day.

Yours truly,

Dave Beeston
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
I stopped after the bit about drawing away to clubs you beat at home not being good.
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Post by: damon loves JT on March 06, 2012, 06:44:00 PM
I got as far as

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(Yeah I know, sounds lame but hear me out).
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Post by: Legion on March 06, 2012, 06:44:38 PM
I switched off after 'Found on Twitter'.
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Post by: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 07:13:53 PM
How come I only get 140 characters and he gets two sides of A4?
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Post by: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
Its all very English isn't it?, sending a strongly worded letter. If it were your Turks or Italians they'd have napalmed the training ground and saved the price of a stamp.
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Post by: themossman on March 06, 2012, 07:17:35 PM
I got as far as
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He’s man management skills where next to known
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Post by: Legion on March 06, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
Now that's an idea...
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2012, 07:23:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 06, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
Its all very English isn't it?, sending a strongly worded letter. If it were your Turks or Italians they'd have napalmed the training ground and saved the price of a stamp.

Don't be surprised to see that in print soon.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2012, 07:29:19 PM
I got as far as "Under Martin, we produced some really good football at home & away. "
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Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 06, 2012, 07:31:42 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 06, 2012, 06:33:25 PM

So I have sent not only to Sharon Barnhurst who is the club secretary but also to Paul Faulkner himself. Neither have replied back to my message, but, I thought I would share it with you guys:


Really?  You don't say. 
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Post by: rutski on March 06, 2012, 07:35:07 PM
has it finished?
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Post by: caster troy on March 06, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
If I was forced to send a letter it would say:

Dear Mr Faulkner,

If Alex McLeish is at Villa Park next season, I won't be.

If he remains our manager in July please ensure no-one at the club phones me asking me why I haven't renewed. I believe this letter speaks for itself.

Yours sincerely.....
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Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
Letters like that don't really help anyone, a lot of it is so poorly written that it's really hard to take it seriously.

If you're going to write to the club you need to focus on the facts:

Worst win percentage of any Villa manager since we were relegated in the mid 80s.
Very poor goal return, not even offset by a great defensive record.
Lower attendances.

As soon as you move away from those it becomes subjective and can easily be dismissed by the 'he came from the blues so the fans don't like him' argument that we're being lumped with.
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Post by: Californian Villain on March 06, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 06, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
Letters like that don't really help anyone, a lot of it is so poorly written that it's really hard to take it seriously.

If you're going to write to the club you need to focus on the facts:

Worst win percentage of any Villa manager since we were relegated in the mid 80s.
Very poor goal return, not even offset by a great defensive record.
Lower attendances.

As soon as you move away from those it becomes subjective and can easily be dismissed by the 'he came from the blues so the fans don't like him' argument that we're being lumped with.

Agree...sick of hearing this cack from the media.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 06, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
3 home wins in 13 games .   against Norwich ,Blackburn and Wigan , scoring 14 goals in total.

says it all.


6 goals scored against  Blackburn and Norwich  , leaves 8 goals in 11 games ....    awful
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Post by: hawkeye on March 06, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
If you are going to write, write to RL. I applaud people who take the time to do this.
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Post by: Rigadon on March 07, 2012, 07:10:55 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 06, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
If you are going to write, write to RL. I applaud people who take the time to do this.

Indeed but mail them directly and not by way of the internet.  Tired of seeing 'open letters' to 'Mr Faulkner' or 'Mr Lerner' signed 'Yours I. N'Dignant' of Perry Barr. 




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Post by: itbrvilla on March 07, 2012, 08:36:28 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on March 07, 2012, 07:10:55 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 06, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
If you are going to write, write to RL. I applaud people who take the time to do this.

Indeed but mail them directly and not by way of the internet.  Tired of seeing 'open letters' to 'Mr Faulkner' or 'Mr Lerner' signed 'Yours I. N'Dignant' of Perry Barr. 





I picturing a fan in a vest rapping Eminen - Dido style when they did 'Stan'.

'Alex Mcleish is by my window,
 and I don't feel safe at all etc.  etc. etc. etc.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 07, 2012, 08:44:28 AM
Sanctimonious letter and he is as thick as a whales todger.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 07, 2012, 08:49:26 AM
Why is it when I watch the reserves I really enjoy it? Free flowing attacking football and when I see the first team its the complete opposite?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 07, 2012, 10:40:02 AM
If a post on here is too long, my eyes glaze over, my feeble ADD brain can't cope with it.

Same applies to this rambling letter.
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Post by: villajk on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
From the McLeish out website

Phone Call with #avfc
MARCH 6, 2012
tags: Aston, AVFC, McLeish, Villa
After sending an email to Paul Faulkner on Friday, I received a phone call from Nicky Keye.  First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

My email pointed out McLeish’s awful record at Villa, the awful football we are playing and the disatisfaction of the fans with the direction the club is taking under him.

Apparently the club has a vision (wasn’t told what it was though) and that nobody is happy with the current position, but everybody is working hard to rectify it.  Didn’t say how though!

I asked them what possessed them to appoint a manager with a proven track record of failure in the Premier League and then to persist with him while he is continuing to fail, again no real answer.

I also pointed out that our squad should be performing a lot better than its current position and apparently that is a view that is shared by all at the club.

I then asked if the club was aware of the large number of fans that will not be renewing if McLeish remains in charge and she said the club are aware of this.  She then asked if I would be renewing and I said

“Not a chance why he remains as manager, and neither will any of my family or friends that I go with”

She said ST details will be out in the post soon, so I replied “I will be sending the pack back with another letter explaining AGAIN why I will not pay again to watch Aston Villa under McLeish”

In summary I appreciated the fact she called and she seemed a nice woman, but on the whole it was a waste of time.

I have come to the conclusion that Alex McLeish is more important to the owner and CEO of Aston Villa than any of the fans and for that reason, they can bollocks for all I care now.

LERNER, FAULKNER & McLEISH OUT!

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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 07, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Does he think the CEO of a football club should reply personally to every letter they get? Doug might well have done it, but I would guess that for every letter he received the club now get about a hundred e mails. Then again, he thinks he's more important than the manager, so of course he does.

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Post by: Rick_avfc on March 07, 2012, 11:06:46 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 07, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Does he think the CEO of a football club should reply personally to every letter they get? Doug might well have done it, but I would guess that for every letter he received the club now get about a hundred e mails. Then again, he thinks he's more important than the manager, so of course he does.

This is exactly what I thought.  Does that person think he is the only person sending letters or e-mailing PF about the current situation?  Does he not realise that if PF was to reply to every letter or e-mail, he wouldnt get any other work done? Such a numpty.  I have nothing against anyone sending an e-mail or letter to the club as thats their business and perogative but expecting a direct reply from PF or RL is just plain stupid.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 07, 2012, 11:11:26 AM
I may well have gone over to the dark side but this lot are getting on my tits.
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 07, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
While I now think we need a change of manager, I really dont want to be particularly associated with those who have wanted him out from Day One. What would they have done in 1968 ?
I shall call them the `Not the Children of the Children of the Revolution.`
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 07, 2012, 11:16:53 AM
I wrote to the Guinness Book of Records and got a letter back signed by Norris and Ross McWhirter and Roy Castle.
People these days just don't care.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 07, 2012, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 07, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
While I now think we need a change of manager, I really dont want to be particularly associated with those who have wanted him out from Day One. What would they have done in 1968 ?
I shall call them the `Not the Children of the Children of the Revolution.`
Are they the Bastards of the Revolution then?
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: some self important prick on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

Apart from inviting him and the rest of his little after school club in for a chat, which they turned their noses up at, of course.

How much will power must it take not to reply "Fair enough, go fuck yourself then?" 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 07, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: Buffoon on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM

After sending an email to Paul Faulkner on Friday, I received a phone call from Nicky Keye.  First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

Oh dear, he seems to have come down with Jon Fear syndrome.
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Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 07, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Why do these people think that their inane ramblings are so important that the CEO should drop whatever they are doing looking after the running of a major business and spend time trying to decipher poorly written letters and then to reply immediately.

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Post by: adrenachrome on March 07, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
This chap is on a roll, is he not?

Aston Villa fans create 'McLeish Out' petition - to be handed to owners personally (http://hereisthecity.com/2012/03/07/aston-villa-fans-create-mcleish-out-petition-to-be-handed-to-own/)

Quote
Aston Villa fan Chris Hearn is aiming to get 10,000 signatures on the petition, urging the club's owners to act before it is 'too late'. It is already one tenth of the way towards its target.

He says: "We have created a petition for the removal of Alex McLeish as manager of Aston Villa.  We know that all fans have very different views on how we should approach trying to get rid of him, but one thing for sure is that now almost every fan wants him out.

All we are asking is for all fans of Aston Villa to sign the petition and when it reaches its target we will print it off and deliver it by hand personally to Paul Faulkner.

It might not make any difference and they might even bin it, but at least if had a petition with over 10,000 signatures they would have to realise that a significant number of fans have had enough.

Also if we manage to get a large number of signatures, it might be able to generate some media interest as well and gain the fans more publicity in our mission to get him out.  But without the negative vibes that can be associated with protesting.

We believe that this is a peaceful and dignified way to let the club know how we feel, and all It will take is 1 minute to sign."
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Post by: hawkeye on March 07, 2012, 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on March 07, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Why do these people think that their inane ramblings are so important that the CEO should drop whatever they are doing looking after the running of a major business and spend time trying to decipher poorly written letters and then to reply immediately.Its good business and etiquette to reply to letters from customers, even if its thank you for your letter we have noted your comments.


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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 07, 2012, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on March 07, 2012, 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on March 07, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
Why do these people think that their inane ramblings are so important that the CEO should drop whatever they are doing looking after the running of a major business and spend time trying to decipher poorly written letters and then to reply immediately.Its good business and etiquette to reply to letters from customers, even if its thank you for your letter we have noted your comments.



They've done a lot more than that. Senior management rang him but that wasn't enough for Mr Self-Important.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 12:18:06 PM
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all It will take is 1 minute to sign."

3 seconds to write your name and the other 57 to remember how to spell it.
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Post by: MarkM on March 07, 2012, 12:20:21 PM
The next step is to get 100,000 signatures on the Government website and then have them debate our manager situation in the House of Commons!

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Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 07, 2012, 12:26:27 PM
I like the bit where it says they've got nearly 10% of the signatures they need. Only 9,000 to go then!
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Post by: villajk on March 07, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 07, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: villajk on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

Apart from inviting him and the rest of his little after school club in for a chat, which they turned their noses up at, of course.

How much will power must it take not to reply "Fair enough, go fuck yourself then?" 

I would just like to point out that that quote is not from me.  It was taken from a letter I posted from the McLeish Out shite of which I have absolutely no association.

That is all.
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Post by: villajk on March 07, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 07, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: villajk taken from the McLeish out webshite on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

Apart from inviting him and the rest of his little after school club in for a chat, which they turned their noses up at, of course.

How much will power must it take not to reply "Fair enough, go fuck yourself then?" 
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 07, 2012, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 07, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: villajk on March 07, 2012, 10:49:59 AM
First thing it is nice to know that Paul, couldn’t be bothered to deal with me directly.

Apart from inviting him and the rest of his little after school club in for a chat, which they turned their noses up at, of course.

How much will power must it take not to reply "Fair enough, go fuck yourself then?" 

I would just like to point out that that quote is not from me.  It was taken from a letter I posted from the McLeish Out shite of which I have absolutely no association.

That is all.

Sorry - didn't notice it was showing like that!  I've amended my original post now. 
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 07, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
He says: "We have created a petition for the removal of Alex McLeish as manager of Aston Villa.  We know that all fans have very different views on how we should approach trying to get rid of him, but one thing for sure is that now almost every fan wants him out.

'One thing for sure...' ?
Wrong. This petition, like all the protests and ramblings are completely out of proportion with the situation and it does not represent the views of 'almost every fan'. I dread to think what some of the names on that thing will be.

They could sit there and write 10000 Mickey Mouse names and addresses because nobody is going to try to validate the information given.
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Post by: villajk on March 07, 2012, 12:55:35 PM
Thanks John.  Don't wish to be associated with that outfit although they are entitled to their own opinions.
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Post by: glasses on March 07, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
I don't want him as manager, but I don't want some tosser with an over-inflated sense of importance speaking for me, so I won't be signing any petition if asked.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2012, 01:32:31 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 07, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
I don't want him as manager, but I don't want some tosser with an over-inflated sense of importance speaking for me, so I won't be signing any petition if asked.

Pretty much my thoughts as well.
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Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
So Chris Hearn wants 10,000 signatures on a sack the manager petition and hopes to drum up media interest but also avoid any negative vibes. Sounds just a tad naive to me.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 07, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
Self importance in the extreme and someone who is very confused.

The CEO invites him in for a chat and he refuses to talk to him. Then he does want to talk to him and send him a letter. Then whines like a bitch when the CEO asks a Head of Department to contact him about the letter and now wants Faulkner out as well for not responding to his letter when he was offered a chat over tea and biscuits in the first place and he refused the offer?

That's about the size of it I think.

What a prick.

Don't you fucking dare to presume to speak for everyone. He's like Fear on acid.
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Post by: NeilH on March 07, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 07, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
He says: "We have created a petition for the removal of Alex McLeish as manager of Aston Villa.  We know that all fans have very different views on how we should approach trying to get rid of him, but one thing for sure is that now almost every fan wants him out.

'One thing for sure...' ?
Wrong. This petition, like all the protests and ramblings are completely out of proportion with the situation and it does not represent the views of 'almost every fan'. I dread to think what some of the names on that thing will be.

They could sit there and write 10000 Mickey Mouse names and addresses because nobody is going to try to validate the information given.

I'm predicting a petition made up Amanda Hugnkiss, Hugh Jass, Ivana Tinkle, Chris P Bacon, Ivor Biggun, Seamor Butts and Mike Hunt.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 07, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
I'm predicting a petition made up Amanda Hugnkiss, Hugh Jass, Ivana Tinkle, Chris P Bacon, Ivor Biggun, Seamor Butts and Mike Hunt.

Don't forget Drew Peacock.
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Post by: CJ on March 07, 2012, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 07, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 07, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
I'm predicting a petition made up Amanda Hugnkiss, Hugh Jass, Ivana Tinkle, Chris P Bacon, Ivor Biggun, Seamor Butts and Mike Hunt.

Don't forget Drew Peacock.

Or Ben Dover and Phil McAfferty
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Post by: big 1st serve on March 07, 2012, 03:58:02 PM
 Michael Fitzpatrick   & Patrick  Fitzmichael
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 07, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
Mike Oxard
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Post by: big 1st serve on March 07, 2012, 04:03:46 PM
  Dont forget our favourite German skier, Fanny Chmelar
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 07, 2012, 04:07:53 PM
Major Bumsore

Eileen Dover

Barry Coseveins
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 07, 2012, 04:23:01 PM
Pat Mycock
Teresa Green
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Post by: Rico on March 07, 2012, 04:38:35 PM
Mike Hunt
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
Am I the only one not getting 'Teresa Green'?
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Post by: PeterWithe on March 07, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
Trees are green
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Post by: villanic on March 07, 2012, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 07, 2012, 04:43:04 PM
Am I the only one not getting 'Teresa Green'?

I think it's trees are green.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 07, 2012, 04:51:05 PM
That explains it - I was looking for some form of sexual joke, like 'Mike Hunt', which I guess says more about me!!   
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Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
Maybe Chris Hearn should be renamed Isaac Hunt? - just a thought.
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Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2012, 04:53:31 PM
I'd also add that famous German to the list - Erhart Koch - and his partner Eva Kuntz.
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Post by: big 1st serve on March 07, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
 Prehaps we could get some ex -players to sign up,

  Starting with Mr Arce & Mr Hole
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Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
Best I could think of was

Captain Clarence Oveur
First Officer James Dunn
Chief Navigator Dave Unger

But you would need to explain on the petition that Dunn was under Oveur and over Unger, Unger was under Oveur and under Dunn and Oveur was over Unger and over Dunn.
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Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2012, 05:52:48 PM
Oh, and before I forget: Captain Pugwash and Seaman Stains should be on the list.
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Post by: Simba on March 07, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
Roger the cabin boy
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Post by: petegoldring on March 07, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
Tess Tickle
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 07, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
Jimmy Carrs brother Wayne.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 08, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
Gabby has said -

''He has come in at the start of the season and fans need to give him time to work his ideas through the club."

These sort of comments are starting to really annoy me, the fans have given Mcleish plenty of time to get his ideas working. However his ideas look absolutely appalling and the results reflect that, it's a two way street and the fans have seen nothing from the team. They have been absolutely diabolical this season.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on March 08, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
Whats more worrying is when our senior players like gabby say this which firms up that Mcleish is here for the long run and will not be sacked anytime soon.  I just hope the owner backs him properly in the transfer window and he proves us all wrong. Wishful thinking I know
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Post by: ozzjim on March 08, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
Gabby seems to be being used as a mouthpiece for the club against protesters, knowing that the home game at the weekend following the previous 2 away being quite vocal against McLeish could see the biggest backlash yet. At home I am amazed it has not been more vociferous but a plea from a player who said 10 days ago he doesn't hear it is a strange one. It will be interesting to see how it goes on Sat. Losing at about 60 minutes and the crowd will start to turn I reckon. 
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Post by: villajk on March 09, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
From IVillafan (or something like that)

YOU ARE HERE: HOME » BLOG » ASTON VILLA » RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FANS & BOARD STARTING TO SHOW CRACKS?
NO COMMENTS YETPOSTED IN ASTON VILLA, AVILLAFAN.COMMAR 9, 2012

As many of you may know. I sent an email to Paul Faulkner at Aston Villa giving my thoughts & views on not only Alex McLeish, but also the clubs direction.

I received a voice mail from Nicola Keye asking me to call her back in regards to my letter.

I called her back eager to find out what the club thought. Before I start I would like to thank Nicola for taking the time out of her busy schedule to speak to me over my concerns.

Nicola stated that Faulkner had looked at my letter & taken my comments on board. She then went onto question why I published the item on AVillaFan.com & if I had released it to any other sites  or sources on the Internet. Giving my response of ‘no but I felt our fans have a right to know’ she quickly moved on.

Nicola commented on me questioning the club & its ‘SO CALLED’ PR stunts. She assured me that nothing of that sort has been going on & the club was as eager as us fans to get us back to where we belong. It was my opinion that the club was producing these letters to win over fans.

Alex McLeish’s position at Villa was also raised with my comments about Halesowen Town would of been able to produce better results at home than Villa this season.

She tried to say that us fans where not happy with McLeish because of where he came from previously. I stated the following to her:

I am sorry Nicola this isn’t the case.  I for one did not care where Alex has come from. It’s a case of is he the right man for the job. He could of come from the Scotland job or from somewhere up there & I would have given the guy sometime to prove himself.

When Gerard came into the club, we all knew it was out of left field & he had been out of the game sometime. But, we were prepared to give him a chance & before he fell ill he was pulling the club in the right direction on how we should play.

I do understand though why the club took action on removing him from his position as boss at that time.

The results to Wigan & Blackburn recently though were not good enough. I went to the Wigan game & it was awful!

Be honest, how much time can you give a man? How much time does Alex have before the board take notice?

She quickly tried to end the conversation but thanked me for my call & to call her again if I had any more issues.

Cutting the long story short, sending my letter to the club only proved one thing. They’re willing to listen to our thoughts & comments but that’s about it. It is YOUR opinion on how the club is being run at this moment in time & its tough tits if you don’t like it.

This isn’t having a pop at Nicola but it is shows a lot of disrespect to us fans who spend our hard earned cash on the club we follow, support & love.

Season ticket mayhem

Recent details of the season tickets for 2012/2013 have also shown they have completely cut themselves off from us fans.

For example, a lower North Stand ticket this season costs £360. For the following season the price of that ticket stays the same. But, only until the 31st of May! The club then put the ticket price up by £10!

How can the club justify an increase after a poor season & cutting the wage bill down by over £500k per week?

Many fans have already said the clubs actions on rushing the fans to buy their ticket early are ludicrous! Some have also stated about the pricing in certain areas of the ground & are considering moving for a cheaper price.

An example of this is for those fans in sections of the lower & upper Holte End. After the increase, the ticket price rises to £490. Many are considering moving to the lower North Stand, saving them £120.

Trying to force fans to buy their season tickets early is a bit O T T for me. Is the club that worried that fans will not renew before the end of the season? Again, as Villa stated, it’s my opinion but yes, I think there are a few members of staff at Villa Park worried about ticket sales for next season especially IF McLeish is still there as manager.

PR machine strikes back!

The last thing I want to point out is Aston Villa’s lack of PR stunts at the club…. NOT!

Back in February after our draw result away to Wigan. Gabby came out & spoke to the media. Mat Kendrick at the Birmingham Mail quoted the forward on the fans reaction to their performance. Link

“The chanting doesn’t affect us, we can’t hear it,” said Agbonlahor.

“We’re just fully concentrating on the game so that doesn’t affect us as a team.

Yesterday, putting insult to injury, Mat then quoted Agbonlahor saying completely the opposite. Link

“The fans are entitled to their opinions,” said Agbonlahor.

“I think the chairman has made a choice in bringing the manager here and everyone has to get behind him.

“I think it affects the players otherwise.

“You only have to look at what happened at Blackburn where Steve Kean was getting a lot of abuse, although it has died down a bit now.

“But it does have an impact on the players and does affect them when fans are not backing the manager and not turning up to games.

“In previous seasons they have got behind the team no matter what and I think if they can keep doing that it helps the players.

“If they really get behind the team and the players it can give everyone a real lift.

“We need every single one of them to support us from now until the end of the season.”

Nearly 3 weeks on from our game at Wigan & only one game being played since then against Blackburn. Gabby has gone from it doesn’t affect us to it impacts us when the fans don’t back the manager.

Does anyone else feel slightly uncomfortable with this or does it just prove that Villa’s PR machine is in full flow to try & save McLeish’s job & the board’s massive mistake.

Do we mean so little to the club these days?  We are not being treated as fans & supporters of our great club. We are being treated as customers and nothing more.

 

Written by: Dave Beeston
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2012, 04:50:51 PM
I don't think he's going to be happy until he's on the board.
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Post by: villajk on March 09, 2012, 04:53:07 PM
I nearly fell asleep reading it. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 09, 2012, 05:10:49 PM
I'm not even going to read it.

If he had half a brain, he'd know that any complaints or points of view are better if they're kept reasonably short and concise.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 10, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Has anything changed afte the Fulham game? Should we reset the poll? Is AM safe til next season now? Fwanksy reckoned some Villa fans were hoping for a loss today to hasten AM's departure. I think he's talking a load of bollocks myself.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 10, 2012, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 09, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
From IVillafan (or something like that)

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Cutting the long story short, sending my letter to the club only proved one thing. They’re willing to listen to our thoughts & comments but that’s about it. It is YOUR opinion on how the club is being run at this moment in time & its tough tits if you don’t like it.

This isn’t having a pop at Nicola but it is shows a lot of disrespect to us fans who spend our hard earned cash on the club we follow, support & love.



BUH???

What exactly does he expect them to do? Sack Mcleish because IVillafan doesn't think he's very good? If that worked we'd have had about 30 managers in the last year. Or is he another one of those who thinks he speaks for everyone?
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Post by: Villanation on March 10, 2012, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on March 10, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Has anything changed afte the Fulham game? Should we reset the poll? Is AM safe til next season now? Fwanksy reckoned some Villa fans were hoping for a loss today to hasten AM's departure. I think he's talking a load of bollocks myself.

For me nothing has changed, we could have lost that today had Fulham not been so half arsed, in spite of the fact we won it now remains to be seen if McLeish realizes what is best for the team, what can he learn from today and what will he put into practice for the next game, because as sure as eggs is eggs if he don't learn we have no chance with the fixtures coming up afterwards, the only hope we have is if we adopt the same mentality we had a few seasons ago and that the likes of N'Zogbia and Albrighton get stuck in and at least attempt to take on the role that Young and Downing did, if we can do that then we may just have a better ending to the season.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2012, 08:41:23 PM
I ran out of breath half way through reading that sentence.
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Post by: Matt C on March 10, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Smash on March 10, 2012, 07:37:20 PM
Has anything changed afte the Fulham game? Should we reset the poll? Is AM safe til next season now? Fwanksy reckoned some Villa fans were hoping for a loss today to hasten AM's departure. I think he's talking a load of bollocks myself.

I reckon he sounds like a desperate little Wolves fan trying to get more people to call in to his putrid and outdated radio show.
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Post by: charlie on March 10, 2012, 09:02:49 PM
sack. , write all the cock and bull you wish, he is not good enough , wont happen, too expensive, sack
please,..
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Post by: Fergal on March 10, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
One game does not make a season and the table don't lie.  If we finish mid table the AM will have done a decent job but I still don't want his negative low scoring soul destroying football for our club.
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Post by: Shoody on March 10, 2012, 09:23:48 PM
Nicky Keye runs this club from top to bottom. I'm convinced of it.
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Post by: hawkeye on March 10, 2012, 09:28:18 PM
Todays last gasp winner against Fulham does not change anything as far as I am concerned. I cant bring myself to go to VP and watch what he serves up, and judging by the attendance  I am not the only one. Until the Club are able to provide some sort hope and that starts with the Manager then we can look forward to beating Fulham as a great achievement.
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Post by: Ads on March 10, 2012, 10:08:16 PM
We played good football today, on and off the ball.
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Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 10, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
I actually thought Fulham looked like we usually do for most of the game.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
I was surprised how poor they were. Seemed to come for a 0-0. Strange tactic considering our home form.
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Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2012, 07:37:15 AM
No resetting of the poll?
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 11, 2012, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on March 11, 2012, 07:37:15 AM
No resetting of the poll?
The poll is only a snapshot of opinions at any one time. Unless 300 new people vote, it has now stagnated.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 11, 2012, 08:45:36 AM
I'll stick my head up here, as I still believe he needs to be given a chance - reasons:
1. How many of the team has he brought in? I've only seen reference to the players bought, yet full credit should go to promoting the kids to the first squad - they are his choice.
2. How many of the team needs getting rid? We know how many, we know he can't offload in one fell swoop, yet he's criticised for using players that need game time to generate a transfer fee.
3. All blame lies at his door when the players revert to headless chickens/frightened rabbits - no credit is given to him when passing and movement, (however brief) is shown by the team. Why is it the general consensus he's asked them to play like headless chickens/frightened rabbits?
4. Until over three quarters of the team are his chosen players and until their pattern of play is evident, a full judgement of his abilities cannot be made. An employee cannot be judged on the amount of numbnuts under his control/jurisdiction, until such time as he has identified the problems and been allowed to address/recruit/replace the staff as necessary.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 11, 2012, 08:49:08 AM
The strange thing is, we score a late goal and some say we are lucky. The same people would probably first to slag McLeish if we had conceded a late goal. They want to have their cake and eat it.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 11, 2012, 08:53:20 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 11, 2012, 08:49:08 AM
The strange thing is, we score a late goal and some say we are lucky. The same people would probably first to slag McLeish if we had conceded a late goal. They want to have their cake and eat it.
Too true and an attitude I just cannot understand.
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Post by: john e on March 11, 2012, 09:20:48 AM
just watched MOTD and the goal celebration looked very genuine to me, i know scoring in injury time you always get an extra buzz, but they seemed to be 'all in it together' for what i could see.
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Post by: DB on March 11, 2012, 09:26:58 AM
Quote from: john e on March 11, 2012, 09:20:48 AM
just watched MOTD and the goal celebration looked very genuine to me, i know scoring in injury time you always get an extra buzz, but they seemed to be 'all in it together' for what i could see.

I think it was pure relief & surprise. They knew we had to win at home for 1st time since Nov 5th and direction in the table we were heading. It looked like another draw so their reaction was from guys that knew we had finally got the 3 points.

He still should go at the end of the season, we shouldn't be in the position we are in - his football is dire and in-effective.
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Post by: Irish villain on March 11, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Home form needs to be the priority now. We need to build on this and turn Villa Park into a fortress and get the fans back onside.

I just looked at the table there. It's hard to fathom that with 33 points at this stage of the season we are a full 11 points clear of the relegation zone and just six points off seventh. McLeish needs to galvanise the players for a John Gregory 97/98 style finish from here. We can easily pip Liverpool to seventh if we go out looking for a few big wins.
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Post by: eastie on March 11, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
Much needed win and even though we are having a dreadful season we are only 6 points off liverpool in 7th and look how much they have blown on average players- king kenny my arse!

Lets hope we can finish as we did last season and then we need a huge overhaul in the summer - interesting we have conceded only 1 in 3 games without dunne in defence,carlos deserves a new deal and i hope he gets one!
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 11, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Home form needs to be the priority now. We need to build on this and turn Villa Park into a fortress and get the fans back onside.

I just looked at the table there. It's hard to fathom that with 33 points at this stage of the season we are a full 11 points clear of the relegation zone and just six points off seventh. McLeish needs to galvanise the players for a John Gregory 97/98 style finish from here. We can easily pip Liverpool to seventh if we go out looking for a few big wins.

He's had the chance to do this before - after the win at Chelsea, and he spunked away the raised spirit by reverting to type and going defensive in the very next game.

I hope he's learned a lesson from that.

Three points yesterday is the biggest relief I've felt in ages. Thank God for that. It doesn't change the fact, though, that the guy is slowly sapping the spirit out of the support. The best thing the club can do is admit they made a mistake, and sack him this summer. Another season like this one doesn't bear thinking about.
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Post by: phantom limb on March 11, 2012, 09:41:51 AM
I've been annoyed quite a lot this season but I think McLeish has at least earned a stay of execution. It will be interesting to see if things can change for the better once certain players' contracts end and people like Heskey leave.

Dunne's absence from the side has been noticable, we seem a lot more organised and confident defensively since he's been out. If I was him I'd be worried.
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Post by: eastie on March 11, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
Also i have been impressed with hutton and warnock over the last 3 games, they seem to have found some form and the defence has been much more secure - if we can get a win against bolton that will make us virtually safe and hopefully ease the tension a bit,would like to see gardner and weimann given a few games in the run in .
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Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2012, 10:30:37 AM
Out of the players that are injured at the moment, i thought Clark was going to be the biggest miss, but Herd has come in and done really well, but when you have both him and Petrov in the middle, you need your forward players to be doing a lot more, which is why he took Charlie off yesterday, he was probably the least effective of them all.

As for McLeish, judging by the crowd yesterday (which was disapointing) people are still not convinced. I hope all those who stayed till the end enjoyed the goal celebration, it's was a loud as i've heard it for a while.
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Post by: RossLeach on March 11, 2012, 10:31:09 AM
Yesterday's result means he's pretty much ended the questions over his future for the rest of the season. But I'd expect that the stories will start again in the early summer.

This is one of the reasons why it was the wrong appointment: bad results and low attendances will leave questions over him and the uncertainty won't go away for the foreseeable future unless he wins a trophy.

What does he need to do?

Either (or preferably both) of the following:
1 - win lots of remaining games as per JG at the end of 97/98 and we go into the summer with a smile on our faces,
2 - establish a quality, entertaining style of football (especially at home) that means that the fans go away over the summer looking forward to next season.

In his defence, I think trying the latter with the 4-2-3-1 that he's working on, but it's only those fans that turn up (before this starts a 'better fan than yow' argument I've seen only the Liverpool and Man City home games since we beat Norwich so I'm not holding myself up....) that will see this change - which means he needs results between now and the end of the season to reach many of those who are potential attendees....

For Randy, ST sales will be lower again next season, no doubt; attendances will be down again next year. 8000 short across 19 games costs the club about £4m a season (assuming average ticket of £25). Ultimately AM needs 1 and 2 above to show an increase in attendances is possible; otherwise the maths might dictate that a change makes some sense.

Goodness knows who one would replace him with though. Sven? (shudder)
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Post by: ktvillan on March 11, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
You see some green shoots from AM every now and then like yesterday, the first half against Blackburn, signs of good passing football, the young players getting bedded in etc.   And then you see some dreadful, ambitionless, negative anti football.   The problem with AM is you always get the feeling the latter is his natural tendency, that he is battling his natural safety first urges,  and that he will always revert to type, especially against someone he thinks is better than Villa, or when the pressure is on.   And for me that is not good enough for Aston Villa.
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Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 11, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
Should the title of the thread be reset too?
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Post by: Legion on March 11, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
If someone suggest an alternative, I'll amend it.
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Post by: RossLeach on March 11, 2012, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Legion on March 11, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
If someone suggest an alternative, I'll amend it.

"We need to talk about Alex..." thread?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:33:59 AM
I'd go with "For those who want to slag Mcleish off but are finding it a bit awkward after yesterday" Thread.
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Post by: Legion on March 11, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
I was tempted to change it to "Alex McLeish's Claret and Blue Army!" but thought better of it.
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Post by: Ad@m on March 11, 2012, 12:09:41 PM
Credit where it's due - yesterday's win was a direct result of decisions AML made as all three substitutes were involved in the goal.

Despite him sticking with the 451 formation we dominated for the majority of yesterday's game and should've won by more.  Fulham were really poor.

That said, although we dominated we don't have much of a cutting edge without Bent up front.  Yesterday doesn't change AML's inherent tactical flaws.
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Post by: supertom on March 11, 2012, 12:36:23 PM
As much as I dislike AM's tactics and style of football I do feel that without Bent he's got a real struggle on his hands to find goals. We don't have enough attacking quality. Debate will rage as to how well he'd use it if we did have better attacking players, but yeah, I don't see us doing much better than the odd 1 goal margin victories, and a lot of draws.
On the positive, we're starting to look resolute again. At least in his first month or two, McLeish had us looking tough to beat.

Personally we need players more consistent and reliable than N'Zogbia and Ireland. Both are mercurial, and I'd rather swap them for attacking players who can give you 7/10 every week minimum. I'd love to get Milner back. He wasn't a technical god but he always gave his all. Alby needs to be more consistent too. Plus a midfield driving force would be good. Someone experienced with plenty left in the tank. I love Stan, but his legs have gone.

Maybe once we're better sorted and AM's team becomes more his own we might see more consistent, attacking football. At the very least, if we're gonna be defence first, then we need that to be more effective. Lets face it, AM is staying. We may as well support him and keep em crossed and hope for the best. I don't want to waste so much time moaning, it's depressing.
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Post by: Des Little on March 11, 2012, 12:44:44 PM
Agree that 4-5-1 was too negative for such a game, however McLeish should be given credit for the changes and not coming out and telling his dissenters to fcuk off.  It would be nice to see a truce on all this substitution booing malarkey for a while, it really doesn't help matters much *puts tin hat on and logs off*
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Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
As I understand it petrov only came off because he was injured, is that a change he'd have made otherwise?  Going on the games up until then I'd suggest not.

As mentioned before we've been here before following the chelsea game where he'd stumbled onto a strategy that was effective and had us playing decent football but his natural instincts took over and we went negative as soon we came up against a side with any attacking threat.  On top of that he changed that team mainly to accommodate Keane, letting a single signing have such an effect on the setup of the team at such an important time was naive and it proved totally ineffective.

I want to see some evidence of a plan on his part of how we're going to be better next season.  The only thing i can determine is that the plan is to sell some players on big wages and get in replacements on lower wages.  If this involves the right kind of players then fine, but suggesting bosmans and the odd paid for signing doesn't fill me with optimism.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 09:39:51 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 11, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Home form needs to be the priority now. We need to build on this and turn Villa Park into a fortress and get the fans back onside.

I just looked at the table there. It's hard to fathom that with 33 points at this stage of the season we are a full 11 points clear of the relegation zone and just six points off seventh. McLeish needs to galvanise the players for a John Gregory 97/98 style finish from here. We can easily pip Liverpool to seventh if we go out looking for a few big wins.

He's had the chance to do this before - after the win at Chelsea, and he spunked away the raised spirit by reverting to type and going defensive in the very next game.

I hope he's learned a lesson from that.

Three points yesterday is the biggest relief I've felt in ages. Thank God for that. It doesn't change the fact, though, that the guy is slowly sapping the spirit out of the support. The best thing the club can do is admit they made a mistake, and sack him this summer. Another season like this one doesn't bear thinking about.

I think part of my frustration is that we are a better team, despite the issues that the squad has than the points we have on the board, and with the table so bunched up, there was a real opportunity to be up there in 6-8th this season by just getting 2-3 more home wins on the board.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Fergal on March 11, 2012, 12:55:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 11, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
I was tempted to change it to "Alex McLeish's Claret and Blue Army!" but thought better of it.
keep it the same but resetting the Poll after every game and recording what it was prior to that will give us an idea of how support for him is changing over time.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: TheSandman on March 11, 2012, 03:22:34 PM
Quote from: eastie on March 11, 2012, 10:21:41 AM
Also i have been impressed with hutton and warnock over the last 3 games, they seem to have found some form and the defence has been much more secure - if we can get a win against bolton that will make us virtually safe and hopefully ease the tension a bit,would like to see gardner and weimann given a few games in the run in .

In fairness he has genuinely been pretty decent lately. Not excellent, but good enough, a somewhat dramatic transformation for the walking disaster area he had been earlier on.

As for the thread it might be worth resetting the poll though I don't think it can prove anything beyond the f*****ness of some football fans. I still think we need a clearer set of options. Sack now, Sack in the summer or Keep.

My personal opinion hasn't really changed after yesterday. A good result and a positive performance it almost certainly was but we have seen that before this season (all too rarely) and have failed to build on them. If we draw confidence and form from yesterday's result and genuinely improve over the rest of the season then I will not be unhappy to see AM continue. As it stands, being one performance, then I'm not sure it is enough evidence to justify a change of stance and would be very surprised if it has changed many people's stance. It is just that, as Greg says, it makes it more difficult to knock him or demand his sacking.
Title: Re: Should AM be sacked? Poll reset after Blackburn Rovers [Reply#1506]
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2012, 04:08:02 PM
I'd say fuck the poll off altogether until the end of the season or go with "We're not fickle we might just change our minds after every single game (unless we win)."

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 11, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
Thread title amended. Poll can be added should it be required.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Bravo. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Chipsticks on March 11, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
I think at times we've played really good, attacking football with intent to dominate the game plenty of times this season, and that the poplar "can only play defensive football" is rubbish. The problem is that this only happens in games when it should be happening, like Fulham, and that when we need to come out and give the team a go, we go all defensive.

Comparing the Swansea - Man City game today to our game at home to them is a great comparison, we easily could've done what the Swans did, and fair play to Brendan Rodgers for having the balls to do it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 11, 2012, 04:34:44 PM
Just as I didn't decide I wanted him gone after one defeat, I won't say I want him to stay after one victory. There are signs of improvement, but they tend to come with selection rather than tactics. If you see Swansea, their tactics never change no matter who's injured (of course, if, say, Leon Britton got injured the tactics would be less effective, but they still stick to their guns), and you can attribute that to Rodgers implementing such a clear plan for how they're going to play. With us, the style of play changes so much when Ireland and N'Zogbia are in the side that it seems to me more of a players issue than a managerial one, which means that Eck will, at best, get the team playing to the sum of their parts, and never more. Which, to be honest, for c. £2m a year in the Premier League isn't really enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JJ-AV on March 11, 2012, 05:02:44 PM
I don't rate him that highly, I'd have never given him the job and I'd have sacked him after the Liverpool game at Villa Park in December.

However, since then I think we've seen an obvious turn around - we are playing good football, but are being let down by individual errors by players who are either not good enough, know their long-term futures aren't here, or are struggling to get to grips with the way the club and their career is going (Warnock, Dunne, Collins, Hutton, Bent, N'Zogbia, Ireland and to some extent Petrov can all be accused of this).

Results haven't been good enough, but he's here and on a purely football point of view he's turned it round and he deserves the Summer and the first third of next season. However, if we end up finishing 14th or 15th and stuttering until the end of the season it may be better to let him go as season tickets are gonna be very hard to sell next year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: picicata on March 11, 2012, 05:19:30 PM
I'm afraid he is still going to have to do a bit more to convince me that he is the man for the job. If Dunne had not got his injury I wonder if Carlos would still be in and out the team/ playing out of position? If Bent had not got injured would we have seen Ireland and N'zogbia back in the team? He may have seen the light and played the correct formation without it being forced upon him but I am going to have to see a level of consistency from him in his team picks and substitutions before I start waving a McLeish flag.

Still, it was nice to get a win and not play like shit so alls good at the moment and I intend to enjoy it well it lasts.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2012, 05:27:38 PM
Yeah I haven't changed my mind, I still think he needs to go. But if he doesn't we have to adopt a passing, attacking game as that's the only way we'll improve.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Simba on March 11, 2012, 06:08:23 PM
The team thrives on forward, aggressive tactics. He don't. So he changes the habits of a lifetime or he goes.

Notwithstanding yesterday and a few other good performances- I think he is, sorry a bit over the top, cowardly in his approach. He digs the trench before we know they are going to attack.

I watched Swansea /Man city today. Swansea brave and succesful. Also confident, skilful, tactically aware and quick. In fact the better team. That should be us. But not with Alex. Ultimately the stats prove that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 11, 2012, 06:23:28 PM
1 win in how long? I'm not the slightest but convinced by anything he does. Moaning about the fans too. The guys a prick and a very average manager who has landed a job way beyond his abilities.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2012, 06:31:25 PM
I might be in the minority but I did give a little chuckle over his post match comments. Oh I forgot, fans are allowed to give abuse out in spades but McGrath forbid a dig is ever sent the other way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 11, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
They were meant light-heartedly. The bloke can't seem to do right for wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
The bloke was messing about with his comments, you may dislike, even hate in some quarters, but he seems a decent bloke and he could have had a dig back yesterday. I cant forgive the performances v Liverpool, Man City and Spuds as we were too defensive by far, other than that he has tried getting the team playing football. May be strange, but the injuries to Dune and Bent may have actually helped him to get the right team
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Simba on March 11, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
It is only one win. Just. And as much as we attacked and did play decent footy yesterday. He is not right for us. Again, look at stats, our league position and the joke we have become.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 11, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
I just don't see him as the manager who is capable of taking us back to the top 6.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
Oh no..... he has gone there.....



"I don't think it needs much excuse for them to get on my back just now. I'm pleased for the Villa fans. I know they had a little dig at the substitutions but I know what football is like and it is extremely fickle."


There is a banner that needs to come out for Bolton...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 11, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
Quote from: Simba on March 11, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
It is only one win. Just. And as much as we attacked and did play decent footy yesterday. He is not right for us. Again, look at stats, our league position and the joke we have become.
but it's a win that has some on here frothing at their bollocks. 1 decent performance in ages. At least we've beaten someone above us at last. Thing is he doesnt seem to know why fans boos the substitution but seemed happy to dig at them like it was a master stroke by him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: hipkiss92 on March 11, 2012, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 11, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
Oh no..... he has gone there.....



"I don't think it needs much excuse for them to get on my back just now. I'm pleased for the Villa fans. I know they had a little dig at the substitutions but I know what football is like and it is extremely fickle."


There is a banner that needs to come out for Bolton...

I do like McLeish, he's obviously hard working and honest about his position, it's just his football style is so shit I want to cry. Maybe we should change the banner to 'we're not fickle, we just don't like your football'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 11, 2012, 07:11:13 PM
And all this decent man shite. How he left blues is the biggest clue that it's bollocks (as much as I like getting one over Blues except in this case).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
Why is it bollocks that he is a decent guy? I dont want him at Villa cos of the style of football, but lets have a reality check, we are not a top club any more. Managers turned us down cos of the financial constraints
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.

As well as the dull football one of the main reasons I'd get shot is that his appointment has been so divisive, nothings changed, he could win five of the last 10 games and I'd still want rid to unite the club.



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: mikeb1982 on March 11, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
The way I see it, I only want 2 things from the Villa, to win as often as possible and to see the players *try* their very best to win at all times. It's the will to win that gets called into question with McLeish, and he's got a long way to go to change that perception. As has been said many times, there have been some shameful, gutless performances this season that have left me feeling cheated. I truly hope this is the beginning of something good, it felt amazing to cheer a winning goal again.  I just need a bit more convincing
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
Why is it bollocks that he is a decent guy? I dont want him at Villa cos of the style of football, but lets have a reality check, we are not a top club any more. Managers turned us down cos of the financial constraints

I don't want him at Villa because his style of football is dire I also think he's as close to useless tactically as you can get, that said, why shouldn't Villa be a top club and aspire to be a top club, that's exactly where we should be, every bit as much as Man City or Arsenal or Chelsea in fact you could make a very good case for saying we where being labeled as a top club just a few short season's ago, things don't change that quick. As for managers turning us down because of financial constraints, if that's the case why did McLiesh take the job, and then when you consider he's now one of the top ten highest paid managers in the world all of a sudden you begin to understand the man's motivation, especially when you consider it was such a volatile move, fraught with danger and no money to spend, wonder why he did that then, I doubt very much because he's a fan of Aston Villa and this was his dream job, more a case of money he can get here he won't get anywhere else, and there you have it.

His he a decent guy, depends how you look at life really.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
Villanation, Ron Saunders was not a Villa fan when he was appointed Villa manager. I am not a McLeish fan after performances at Spuds, at home to Liverpool and Man City, far too negative. However, he does come across as a decent guy and the bollocks about him having a dig at the fans last night is just that. Why did he take the job, maybe because Villa are a better team than the noses and he would not get a better job than Villa with his CV. As for us being a top club now, whoever is in charge has a massive task if the chairman is not backing him and can you honestly say he has been backed by Leerner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.


A pretty ropey Fulham that 22% of our own supporters thought we would beat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villadelph on March 11, 2012, 07:52:27 PM
He's not getting the sack guys, never was. This entire thread is a waste of bandwidth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.


A pretty ropey Fulham that 22% of our own supporters thought we would beat.

And had won their previous game 5-0, albeit against a shite yam yam mob
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 11, 2012, 07:56:41 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 11, 2012, 07:52:27 PM
He's not getting the sack guys, never was. This entire thread is a waste of bandwidth.
...and getting more and more depressing as the night wears on. I apologise for supporting the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 11, 2012, 07:57:49 PM
Yesterday could be a turning point but we've been here before this season.

I was genuinely more excited after Chelsea away when we played good football and beat a good team convincingly. That should've started a 2nd half of the season upturn but instead we were outplayed by Swansea 48 hours later and all momentum was lost.

Again Wolves was the sort of comeback that got a sort of feelgood factor going and a week later throwing away a 2 goal lead at Arsenal evaporated all that.

Since then the results have been really poor. I expect us to beat Bolton but after that is a very tough run in where I can't see many wins at all so think we'll limp through to the end of what has been a forgettable season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.


A pretty ropey Fulham that 22% of our own supporters thought we would beat.

And the majority had weighed it up pretty accurately, even though the performance was much improved it took a pretty horrendous keeping mistake to deny them the draw they had set up for.

Still, I'm not complaining, any port in a storm.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.


A pretty ropey Fulham that 22% of our own supporters thought we would beat.

And the majority had weighed it up pretty accurately, even though the performance was much improved it took a pretty horrendous keeping mistake to deny them the draw they had set up for.

Still, I'm not complaining, any port in a storm.

They weren't accurate at all, they were wrong.  Last week we conceded a late equaliser and it seemed the world was coming to an end. This week we get a late winner and it's lucky, fortunate, down to a mistake by the opposition.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
Villanation, Ron Saunders was not a Villa fan when he was appointed Villa manager. I am not a McLeish fan after performances at Spuds, at home to Liverpool and Man City, far too negative. However, he does come across as a decent guy and the bollocks about him having a dig at the fans last night is just that. Why did he take the job, maybe because Villa are a better team than the noses and he would not get a better job than Villa with his CV. As for us being a top club now, whoever is in charge has a massive task if the chairman is not backing him and can you honestly say he has been backed by Leerner.

I still say his move was motivated, as motivated as Lerner's move was to take him in the first place, Lerner being caught between a rock and a hard place after both the shock of MON and then the health issue forcing Houllier out the door a short period after MON, this prompting almost panic in the recruitment of McLiesh by Lerner, that is why that bloke "the General" knew nothing of it and when being pestered by fans on the eve of the McLiesh appointment still stated there was no truth in the rumor of McLiesh coming to Villa.

For me I think Lerner is allowing a period of settlement in the club after a period of to much change, I think Lerner knows precisely what the next move is, can I honestly say that Lerner has backed McLiesh, I think that's obvious, but then again I don't think he ever intended to, otherwise he would have done it by now.

Do I think McLiesh is a decent guy, as I have only ever seen the man during interviews on TV how would I know, when doing his TV stuff he's doing what he's supposed to do and that's put a face on, what I base my opinion on are the actions of not just McLiesh but also Lerner and in both case I personally think the are both duplicitous and motivated.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 11, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
McLeish couldn't believe his luck when he saw managers like Martinez turn us down and heard we were interested in him.

Remember when SHA went down and Carson Yeung came out straight away and basically said he'd be sacked if SHA didn't get promoted straight away.

I get the feeling McLeish wouldn't have done as well as Hughton there this season and he'd have been out of a job by now. I think he thought that aswell and saw a chance to manoueveve out of there (remember he resigned by email) and came here with a more patient owner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
Yes, but last week it was disappointing, and this week, it was a bit fortuitous.

The thing i'd like to know is, those who think he's the man for the job (and I can't really think of many), why do you think that way?

Not the "don't want to sack him / he needs support as he's got the job / give him a chance" people, but those who think he was th right appointment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 07:19:45 PM
The team yesterday played a lot more like I suspected we were going to set up at the start of the season, not an awful lot of quality but commitment, energy and organisation but lets remember for 90mins we didn't get anywhere near breaking down a pretty ropey Fulham team.


A pretty ropey Fulham that 22% of our own supporters thought we would beat.

And the majority had weighed it up pretty accurately, even though the performance was much improved it took a pretty horrendous keeping mistake to deny them the draw they had set up for.

Still, I'm not complaining, any port in a storm.

They weren't accurate at all, they were wrong.  Last week we conceded a late equaliser and it seemed the world was coming to an end. This week we get a late winner and it's lucky, fortunate, down to a mistake by the opposition.

For the first time in a while we got what we hoped we'd get out out of a McLeish team, organisation, endeavour and work rate. Still though, little sign of much creativity to break down an average team who'd come for a draw. I'm very happy with the win but saw didn't see too much to go anywhere near changing my overall view of the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 11, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
McLeish couldn't believe his luck when he saw managers like Martinez turn us down and heard we were interested in him.

Remember when SHA went down and Carson Yeung came out straight away and basically said he'd be sacked if SHA didn't get promoted straight away.

I get the feeling McLeish wouldn't have done as well as Hughton there this season and he'd have been out of a job by now. I think he thought that aswell and saw a chance to manoueveve out of there (remember he resigned by email) and came here with a more patient owner.

McLiesh,realised the desperation at Villa, took advantage, Lerner in turn cast his net just a short distance from the doors of Villa park and reeled in the first thing he could catch, those 2 circumstances where significant in the appointment of Alex McLiesh in my opinion, how else could anybody possibly explain why you would take a rival club manager with all the flack and with an appalling history of relegation to his name and then turn him into one of the highest paid managers in the world, not to mention any future severance pay he will get.

Question is, not is McLeish a decent bloke, are any of them decent when it comes to friggin about with Aston Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:22:26 PM


For the first time in a while we got what we hoped we'd get out out of a McLeish team, organisation, endeavour and work rate. Still though, little sign of much creativity to break down an average team who'd come for a draw. I'm very happy with the win but saw didn't see too much to go anywhere near changing my overall view of the manager.

In the circumstances you can't ask for much more. We always seem to get the shitty stick of any luck that's going so the ball bouncing our way for a change isn't to be sniffed at.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 11, 2012, 08:25:08 PM
It's pretty criminal that Jol did come for the draw against a club in as much turmoil as we are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
I'm not going to argue with that, as I was saying in the pub beforehand we need a winner to go in off someones arse, Albrightons nose, anything..I'm just not having anyone saying 'The McLeish out lot have gone quiet' as on that performance not a lot has changed, other, hopefully, than our luck.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 11, 2012, 08:25:08 PM
It's pretty criminal that Jol did come for the draw against a club in as much turmoil as we are.

I was thinking to myself when looking at the game and witnessing the total lack of tactics and a real will to win from both sides, thought, well with the imminent departure of McLiesh we certainly don't want to be knocking up Jol, both as bad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:29:52 PM
As an aside the lad who came on at HT was immense, on a free as well I understand.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 11, 2012, 08:32:23 PM
First half I thought we were good, pressing the ball high up the pitch, passing the ball well.

Second half was much more like we've seen this season, sitting back, not looking like scoring etc but we got a win that helps to forget that.

Hopefully a commanding win against Bolton will follow but after that a very tough run of games begins at Arsenal so bit early to say things have changed under McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: silhillvilla on March 11, 2012, 08:32:53 PM
My real concern is, if they did sack McLeish, I've no confidence in their decision making to get the next appointment right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
Villanation, Ron Saunders was not a Villa fan when he was appointed Villa manager. I am not a McLeish fan after performances at Spuds, at home to Liverpool and Man City, far too negative. However, he does come across as a decent guy and the bollocks about him having a dig at the fans last night is just that. Why did he take the job, maybe because Villa are a better team than the noses and he would not get a better job than Villa with his CV. As for us being a top club now, whoever is in charge has a massive task if the chairman is not backing him and can you honestly say he has been backed by Leerner.

I still say his move was motivated, as motivated as Lerner's move was to take him in the first place, Lerner being caught between a rock and a hard place after both the shock of MON and then the health issue forcing Houllier out the door a short period after MON, this prompting almost panic in the recruitment of McLiesh by Lerner, that is why that bloke "the General" knew nothing of it and when being pestered by fans on the eve of the McLiesh appointment still stated there was no truth in the rumor of McLiesh coming to Villa.

For me I think Lerner is allowing a period of settlement in the club after a period of to much change, I think Lerner knows precisely what the next move is, can I honestly say that Lerner has backed McLiesh, I think that's obvious, but then again I don't think he ever intended to, otherwise he would have done it by now.

Do I think McLiesh is a decent guy, as I have only ever seen the man during interviews on TV how would I know, when doing his TV stuff he's doing what he's supposed to do and that's put a face on, what I base my opinion on are the actions of not just McLiesh but also Lerner and in both case I personally think the are both duplicitous and motivated.

Now you have changed the subject, I merely said he came across as a decent person. Lerner brought him in, why I dont know, but when the likes of Martinez turn us down, makes you wonder who would want to come
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2012, 08:41:10 PM
When you look at that list of the top paid managers in Europe, you'd wonder who wouldn't fancy the pay increase.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
Ok. Eck is a nice bloke, kind to kids, good to old ladies, charitable, decent etc etc. a likeable man. IS HE RIGHT FOR ASTON VILLA.?  In my book .....nooooooooooooo.
Should we hang on as we may not get anything better>? noooooooooooooo.
Will there be young, bright , capable managers out there? yesssssssssssssssss.
Just look at the sty, broke, owned by [alleged] 'dishonest folk', and they get a man who did well at Barcodeland with an arse[allegedly], like Ashley, and now produces a nose team with no money against the odds. The future of Eck is to rescue Rangers, preferably yesterday. The future of Villa does not need Eck...... no matter how decent etc etc he may well be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
So who do you suggest Charlie, and I happen to agree I dont think Eck is the future, but what good manager is going to come to us at the moment?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: charlie on March 11, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
At  the end of this dismal season lets look at those who have done well and may step up and see the idea of Villa as a real challenge. Lambert, guy at Reading, fellow at Swansea, all would see Villa as a better bet long term and a challenge, as indeed may Hughton now the path has been trod.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: DrGonzo on March 11, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
So who do you suggest Charlie, and I happen to agree I dont think Eck is the future, but what good manager is going to come to us at the moment?

Absolutely.  We are deep in the mire. And the suggestion that our transfers are going to be mainly Bosmans raises the same question.  Who is going to walk out of their club to join us??  Do you think a player such as Hoilett is not going to get an offer from a more stable club than we are?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Holtemeister on March 11, 2012, 09:12:54 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Bielsa

That's who I would like Randy to bring in ......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
The thing is what point is there asking fans who want eck out who they'd get in his place.  We don't know the finances involved on either side so it's impossible to answer with any accuracy.  Flores would be a good shout and should be gettable, ditto with Bielsa but I can see the 'why would they come' argument already which i can argue with.  So on that basis we'll never come up with a decent option.

The reality is we'd have to see at the time but, in my opinion, we're unlikely to get someone worse.  Given that I'd dump him asap and get someone in before the end of the season, let them have a few games to see the players (and the associated time in training) and put plans in place of who needs to go who can stay for the time being and who to keep.  As a new manager they'll have some players they want to bring in regardless and hopefully the review would allow them to identify a few weak links and start looking at replacements.  Given there's 2 big tournaments this summer picking easy options from there should help, with the olympics being all in the age range where it's not a massive gamble as well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Jimmy Smash on March 11, 2012, 09:53:39 PM
The problems at VP lie deeper than McL. Sure he needs to go, but can we trust the board to effectively replace him? He'll have to stay until the end of the season. Randy really needs to undertake a complete clear out starting with Faulkner. Only then can we start to rebuild. Of course both would need paying off, but in the current climate it's debatable whether this is even a viable option
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 11, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
At  the end of this dismal season lets look at those who have done well and may step up and see the idea of Villa as a real challenge. Lambert, guy at Reading, fellow at Swansea, all would see Villa as a better bet long term and a challenge, as indeed may Hughton now the path has been trod.

I think you're kidding yourself. Lambert for example - why would he go from a club on a shoestring budget where he's probably safe even if he takes them down, to Villa where he's on a  shoestring budget but has to finish 6th to 8th to even be considered doing ok by the fans? Mebbe the aura of villa will override logic but as one of the best young managers around i'd probably wait for a better gig where i'd have some money to match the club's ambitions. We have the big club mentality but not the spending power and its probably why we couldn't attract anyone last summer so i wouldn't get your hopes up for this summer if Mcleish gets the tin-tack
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: charlie on March 11, 2012, 09:07:25 PM
At  the end of this dismal season lets look at those who have done well and may step up and see the idea of Villa as a real challenge. Lambert, guy at Reading, fellow at Swansea, all would see Villa as a better bet long term and a challenge, as indeed may Hughton now the path has been trod.

I think you're kidding yourself. Lambert for example - why would he go from a club on a shoestring budget where he's probably safe even if he takes them down, to Villa where he's on a  shoestring budget but has to finish 6th to 8th to even be considered doing ok by the fans? Mebbe the aura of villa will override logic but as one of the best young managers around i'd probably wait for a better gig where i'd have some money to match the club's ambitions. We have the big club mentality but not the spending power and its probably why we couldn't attract anyone last summer so i wouldn't get your hopes up for this summer if Mcleish gets the tin-tack

Between where he is now, and where he would like to go, where is a more obvious next step than a club like us?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: silhillvilla on March 11, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Driving to the game yesterday, the first glimpse of the ground bathed in sunlight from the M6, i sat back and thought wow, we are a BIG club, in the UK's second City with a very generous owner.
I think there would be plenty of top managers interested tbh
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide

How difficult is it going to be to improve a club which is floundering around 15th or so in the league, despite having a squad which suggests it should be way, way better than that?

Where else would he go - which clubs would he be likely to get a chance at?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: DB on March 11, 2012, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide

How difficult is it going to be to improve a club which is floundering around 15th or so in the league, despite having a squad which suggests it should be way, way better than that?

Where else would he go - which clubs would he be likely to get a chance at?

Spot on. someone who can get that squad playing, as you say it is better than AM has it performing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide

How difficult is it going to be to improve a club which is floundering around 15th or so in the league, despite having a squad which suggests it should be way, way better than that?

Where else would he go - which clubs would he be likely to get a chance at?

Your reply just shows what i mean really. we're 3 points off mid-table, 6 points off Liverpool. Houllier was hammered for finishing 9th, Mcleish could finish 8th and he'd still be the wrong man. Does lambert need that and with no money to spend to solve it immediately? Personally i think he'll end up at celtic but even if he doesn't i think he'll bide his time before jumping in the deep end with us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Steve67 on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2012, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

Why can't he a win cup there? Or are their resources lower than the rabble across the city?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide

How difficult is it going to be to improve a club which is floundering around 15th or so in the league, despite having a squad which suggests it should be way, way better than that?

Where else would he go - which clubs would he be likely to get a chance at?

Your reply just shows what i mean really. we're 3 points off mid-table, 6 points off Liverpool. Houllier was hammered for finishing 9th, Mcleish could finish 8th and he'd still be the wrong man. Does lambert need that and with no money to spend to solve it immediately? Personally i think he'll end up at celtic but even if he doesn't i think he'll bide his time before jumping in the deep end with us.

Eh?

What has our proximity to Liverpool got to do with it?

And Houllier was far from hammered for finishing ninth. He was hammered for having us so poor during the season. If anything, opinion on here was that ninth flattered us a bit.

Nobody on here would give McLeish a hard time for finishing eighth, either. They'll give him a hard time for playing terrible football and going 4.5 months without a home win, but I can't think of a club whose fans wouldn't get pissed off about that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

what resources are these then? I Don't think even Norwich had a minus 15m pound transfer budget last summer
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

what resources are these then? I Don't think even Norwich had a minus 15m pound transfer budget last summer

What kind of squad do you think he's got in place currently at Norwich, and what kind of squad have we got? How many Norwich players would you swap into our squad?

In fact, how many Norwich players can you actually name?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 10:45:52 PM
You go somewhere where you have a chance to suceed and the time to do it. If Lambert took over he'd probably have about a 5m budget to replace about 5 or 6 players likely to leave this summer and with that he has to get us up the table and keep the fans onside if we're not playing like Barcelona in November. Thats not a challenge, more career suicide

How difficult is it going to be to improve a club which is floundering around 15th or so in the league, despite having a squad which suggests it should be way, way better than that?

Where else would he go - which clubs would he be likely to get a chance at?

Your reply just shows what i mean really. we're 3 points off mid-table, 6 points off Liverpool. Houllier was hammered for finishing 9th, Mcleish could finish 8th and he'd still be the wrong man. Does lambert need that and with no money to spend to solve it immediately? Personally i think he'll end up at celtic but even if he doesn't i think he'll bide his time before jumping in the deep end with us.

Eh?

What has our proximity to Liverpool got to do with it?

And Houllier was far from hammered for finishing ninth. He was hammered for having us so poor during the season. If anything, opinion on here was that ninth flattered us a bit.

Nobody on here would give McLeish a hard time for finishing eighth, either. They'll give him a hard time for playing terrible football and going 4.5 months without a home win, but I can't think of a club whose fans wouldn't get pissed off about that.


oh come on Paulie, I'm pointing out we're three points off Norwich and if we were above them now it still wouldn't be good enough. Houllier was being slagged off on here from November onwards despite some of us seeing what he was trying to do. Lambert is not a miracle worker and the fact remains anyone's gonna struggle to turn us into an entertaining team with some of the personnel and with no transfer budget to do it. If we were 'floundering' where lambert is currently with Norwich, next season people would wnt him out just like Mcleish and Houllier
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
oh come on Paulie, I'm pointing out we're three points off Norwich and if we were above them now it still wouldn't be good enough. Houllier was being slagged off on here from November onwards despite some of us seeing what he was trying to do. Lambert is not a miracle worker and the fact remains anyone's gonna struggle to turn us into an entertaining team with some of the personnel and with no transfer budget to do it. If we were 'floundering' where lambert is currently with Norwich, next season people would wnt him out just like Mcleish and Houllier

So, being where Norwich are now with their resources is the same as being there with our resources? Hmmm. Right, ok, Greg. Not quite sure how that one works.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Bad English on March 11, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
Robert Rosario. Bastard! Scored at the Holte End when we drew 3-3 to the fucking Canaries under SGT 1.

We were there. My dad always bangs on about it "That was the day the Villa lost the title... blah, blah...!"

In fact I had forgotten that it was Cascarino's first goal for us (April 28th 1990)

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

what resources are these then? I Don't think even Norwich had a minus 15m pound transfer budget last summer

What kind of squad do you think he's got in place currently at Norwich, and what kind of squad have we got? How many Norwich players would you swap into our squad?

In fact, how many Norwich players can you actually name?

half the defence and midfield. as for naming them, I doubt your average Norwich fan can name half of our team - we're not exactly jammed pack full of star names you know
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
oh come on Paulie, I'm pointing out we're three points off Norwich and if we were above them now it still wouldn't be good enough. Houllier was being slagged off on here from November onwards despite some of us seeing what he was trying to do. Lambert is not a miracle worker and the fact remains anyone's gonna struggle to turn us into an entertaining team with some of the personnel and with no transfer budget to do it. If we were 'floundering' where lambert is currently with Norwich, next season people would wnt him out just like Mcleish and Houllier

So, being where Norwich are now with their resources is the same as being there with our resources? Hmmm. Right, ok, Greg. Not quite sure how that one works.


again, what resources are these? WE'RE SKINT
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2012, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Bad English on March 11, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
Robert Rosario. Bastard! Scored at the Holte End when we drew 3-3 to the fucking Canaries under SGT 1.

We were there. My dad always bangs on about it "That was the day the Villa lost the title... blah, blah...!"

In fact I had forgotten that it was Cascarino's first goal for us (April 28th 1990)



Was this the game with Derek lobbing our own keeper from 40 yards? The pass back rule has much to answer for taking many comedy moments like that away.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 12, 2012, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

what resources are these then? I Don't think even Norwich had a minus 15m pound transfer budget last summer

What kind of squad do you think he's got in place currently at Norwich, and what kind of squad have we got? How many Norwich players would you swap into our squad?

In fact, how many Norwich players can you actually name?

half the defence and midfield. as for naming them, I doubt your average Norwich fan can name half of our team - we're not exactly jammed pack full of star names you know
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
oh come on Paulie, I'm pointing out we're three points off Norwich and if we were above them now it still wouldn't be good enough. Houllier was being slagged off on here from November onwards despite some of us seeing what he was trying to do. Lambert is not a miracle worker and the fact remains anyone's gonna struggle to turn us into an entertaining team with some of the personnel and with no transfer budget to do it. If we were 'floundering' where lambert is currently with Norwich, next season people would wnt him out just like Mcleish and Houllier

So, being where Norwich are now with their resources is the same as being there with our resources? Hmmm. Right, ok, Greg. Not quite sure how that one works.


again, what resources are these? WE'RE SKINT

Compare our squad and Norwich's.

I don't think anyone could say they have as good a selection of players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 12, 2012, 12:22:41 AM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on March 12, 2012, 12:09:04 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 11, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Lambert has gone as far as he can with Norwich.  No disrespect to them but they are hardly gonna win the league or even a cup on their resources.  He'd jump at the chance of managing Villa, even if he see's it as a stepping stone to the next club.  I think he'd do a great job here too.

what resources are these then? I Don't think even Norwich had a minus 15m pound transfer budget last summer

What kind of squad do you think he's got in place currently at Norwich, and what kind of squad have we got? How many Norwich players would you swap into our squad?

In fact, how many Norwich players can you actually name?

half the defence and midfield. as for naming them, I doubt your average Norwich fan can name half of our team - we're not exactly jammed pack full of star names you know
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2012, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:22:27 PM
oh come on Paulie, I'm pointing out we're three points off Norwich and if we were above them now it still wouldn't be good enough. Houllier was being slagged off on here from November onwards despite some of us seeing what he was trying to do. Lambert is not a miracle worker and the fact remains anyone's gonna struggle to turn us into an entertaining team with some of the personnel and with no transfer budget to do it. If we were 'floundering' where lambert is currently with Norwich, next season people would wnt him out just like Mcleish and Houllier

So, being where Norwich are now with their resources is the same as being there with our resources? Hmmm. Right, ok, Greg. Not quite sure how that one works.


again, what resources are these? WE'RE SKINT

Compare our squad and Norwich's.

I don't think anyone could say they have as good a selection of players.

Strikers yes, the rest? Take away the kids everyone is pinning their hopes on and there's scarcely much difference.
Midfield has petrov who's past it, a nutcase who may come good some day and the star player stolen from everyone's annual relegation favourites.

I started a thread a while back about fans expectations and i asked where we should be in the league given our ability.. Now the majority said mid-table. Thing is if results go our way we could be as near as damm it mid-table after the next game. Will people be happy with Mcleish? I don't think so. Now some will put it down to our style of play but we were never very pretty under plenty of other managers so it makes me wonder if people were being entirely honest. Do i think lambert could get us safely into mid-table - yep. Do i think we'll suddenly start seeing brilliant football with the personell at his disposal and the budget he's likely to have - Not a chance. So again, whats in it for him apart from a lot of grief and a nice severance deal when we sack him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 12, 2012, 01:30:39 AM
Greg, you're ignoring our state of the art training ground too.  I think that would be a pretty big draw to a lot of managers.  Particularly for Lambert who is considered a bit of a student of the game.  The facilities we have should allow a manager to improve players and also develop youngsters.

Ultimately Norwich have reached their ceiling level whereas Villa are well below theirs.  Given the egos of most players and therefore presumably managers I think a few would like to lord it at Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 12, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Well there is that - the carcass of a big club if not the innards. I mean i'm not sure people realise how much we've cut back. Even the above mentioned Norwich have more players they've actually bought than us. In other words they have actual reserves who've played league games and stuff. Take the kids out and we'd struggle to field a team but i'm sure Lambert would swap actual players for a massage table
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 12, 2012, 02:09:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 12, 2012, 01:46:19 AM
Well there is that - the carcass of a big club if not the innards. I mean i'm not sure people realise how much we've cut back. Even the above mentioned Norwich have more players they've actually bought than us. In other words they have actual reserves who've played league games and stuff. Take the kids out and we'd struggle to field a team but i'm sure Lambert would swap actual players for a massage table

Surely the fact that every few seasons we're producing two or three squad players is a good thing?  Whereas most other clubs have to spend Xm on buying journey men pros to sit on their bench.

I cannot see how that can be considered a bad aspect of the club right now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 12, 2012, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on March 11, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
We are deep in the mire. And the suggestion that our transfers are going to be mainly Bosmans raises the same question.
It's not a suggestion, it's official.
McLeish said we will be signing Bosmans plus a couple of players on low transfer fees.

If that doesn't get our support salivating for next season, I don't know what will.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 12, 2012, 06:50:11 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on March 11, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
You see some green shoots from AM every now and then like yesterday, the first half against Blackburn, signs of good passing football, the young players getting bedded in etc.   And then you see some dreadful, ambitionless, negative anti football.   The problem with AM is you always get the feeling the latter is his natural tendency, that he is battling his natural safety first urges,  and that he will always revert to type, especially against someone he thinks is better than Villa, or when the pressure is on.   And for me that is not good enough for Aston Villa.

Spot on, kt.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 07:00:36 AM
I think we're still willing and able to pay much bigger wages than Norwich, for players and managers. That would be a plus for Lambert I presume.

On the future of AM though, my guess is that he'll still be here next season and we'll do unspectacularly 'alright' in front of not very good crowds.

But then I am someone who is 'fucking deluded' because I don't think we will be dragged into a relegation battle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 12, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
I've been 'fucking deluded' for the majority of this season, then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: jonc73 on March 12, 2012, 07:17:14 AM
Being in Amsterdam these days I'm not a season ticket holder any more.  I watch every week on TV here but its not the same.Made my return to Villa Park on Saturday expecting a lynch mob, and was quite surprised.There was some good football played at times in the first half, although I could have nodded off in the second and there was little penetration. Overall I don't think it's as bad as some people make out on this forum.

Villa are not going to go down this year, some decent kids are coming through and changing the manager again would set as back for the third season running.Give the bloke a chance I say and see where we are this time next year.The club needs to get its finances in order-we all know about Portsmouth and Leeds so I can understand some of what has gone on this year, although it hasn't been much fun.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 12, 2012, 07:40:13 AM
Quote from: Legion on March 12, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
I've been 'fucking deluded' for the majority of this season, then.

Me too Legion, and I will remain so until we win another game. A 94th minute goal against a Fulham that hardly turned up won't change it. My bigger fear is what will happen next season when McLeish has his own players. Going to be a long season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
I think you misunderstood Legion's post Ozz. It's those of us who think we're not in danger who were given the 'deluded' tag.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pestria on March 12, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: jonc73 on March 12, 2012, 07:17:14 AM
Being in Amsterdam these days I'm not a season ticket holder any more.  I watch every week on TV here but its not the same.Made my return to Villa Park on Saturday expecting a lynch mob, and was quite surprised.There was some good football played at times in the first half, although I could have nodded off in the second and there was little penetration. Overall I don't think it's as bad as some people make out on this forum.


Yeah but you're judging the overall standard on the second best home performance of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ad@m on March 12, 2012, 08:06:41 AM
The bookies are obviously 'fucking deluded' too as we've gone out to 50/1 to go down with them from 12s not so many weeks ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 08:26:12 AM
I'm surprised we're as short as that, given the incredible results that would have to occur for us to be even involved.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 12, 2012, 08:30:02 AM
John Polston. Scored the only goal of the game the year we should have won the title. I daresay nobody else in the world remembers the bastard's name.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 12, 2012, 08:36:18 AM
Quote from: jonc73 on March 12, 2012, 07:17:14 AM
Being in Amsterdam these days I'm not a season ticket holder any more. 

I hope you are a member of the Dutch Lions then, if not why not?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 12, 2012, 08:51:51 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 12, 2012, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: DrGonzo on March 11, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
We are deep in the mire. And the suggestion that our transfers are going to be mainly Bosmans raises the same question.
It's not a suggestion, it's official.
McLeish said we will be signing Bosmans plus a couple of players on low transfer fees.

If that doesn't get our support salivating for next season, I don't know what will.

Not that I'm expecting world class players or anything but was "low transfer fees" specifically mentioned?
In any case, you can get good players for very little. Most clubs will be looking at bosmans and short contract players. I think its how its going to go. They cost so much in wages it kind of leaves you snookered.

You're right though, it wont get pulses racing unless they are good players. I only care who they are though, not how much they cost.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:07:27 AM
I can't see a light at the end of any tunnel yet. Nothing about our current setup or approach to running a sucessful Football club gives me any optimism at the moment.
But, I suppose on how we deem the phrase 'sucessful' my understanding on this is evidently different to Randy Lerners. Still a touch couple of months ahead.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: glasses on March 12, 2012, 09:21:53 AM
I think the result on Saturday papered over the cracks somewhat. There was an improvement in the way we played, but was still toothless and un-inspiring to watch. I know it's hypothetical, but had we not got the winner, the team and Eck would have got pelters. I'm still in the 'Sack him' camp. He's still got a way to go for me to want him to stay, but if we start winning games and turn the corner after Saturday, I'm happy to change my mind on him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:32:05 AM
We still deserved pelters on Saturday, despite winning. having a very poor manager telling not very good players how to play uninspiring and dull Football will not win anyone over against a team who didn't look interested. It was poor.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:32:05 AM
We still deserved pelters on Saturday, despite winning. having a very poor manager telling not very good players how to play uninspiring and dull Football will not win anyone over against a team who didn't look interested. It was poor.
So we should have booed them off then?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 12, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:32:05 AM
We still deserved pelters on Saturday, despite winning. having a very poor manager telling not very good players how to play uninspiring and dull Football will not win anyone over against a team who didn't look interested. It was poor.
So we should have booed them off then?
That's up to you.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 11, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
again, what resources are these? WE'RE SKINT

Resources aren't just pound coins to spend, though, are they.

They're also players you already have. We don't have a squad packed full of top notch players, no, but we have a squad of players much better than Norwich City do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 12, 2012, 09:52:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 09:32:05 AM
We still deserved pelters on Saturday, despite winning. having a very poor manager
telling not very good players how to play uninspiring and dull Football will not win anyone over against a team who didn't look interested. It was poor.
So we should have booed them off then?
That's up to you.

It is. I just enjoyed the moment like most people seemed to and left the ground on a high. We have had enough games where we have slipped up with late goals against us and it was our turn this time. Many would have turned against us if we had not scored but we did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Merv on March 12, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
I agree. The overall picture hasn't changed, for me, but it's nice to take a break from the gloom and enjoy an injury time winner!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 12, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
I cant agree it was poor or anything like it on Saturday. I'm no admirer of McLeish's abilities but we played very well on Saturday. Yes, it lacked a bit of class and nous in the final third but we do lack class and nous in the final third. That didn't suprise me.

What did suprise me was that we dominated an in-form team, controlled the game largely and restricted them to vague chances whilst creating a few of our own. It was composed rather than sparkling but much better than what I was expecting.
Yes Fulham were poor but I think we made them seem so because they turned up expecting a disjointed nervy team with the crowd on their backs, they expected to take advantage without too much effort and they were rudely suprised. Our tactics were right and we played with belief and confidence if not always a cutting edge.

Still, we should have won by more, I dont think many of us would argue that.
I want a better manager in the summer but more performances like that I could live with.
Its not been the norm though and we'll see what happens from here onwards.
I have a sneaking feeling the pressure has lifted slightly though and we'll see consistently better football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 10:13:53 AM
It is now a matter of gauging who to start and who to bring on and when. It sounds obvious but it is critical to the development of young players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: not3bad on March 12, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 12, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
I cant agree it was poor or anything like it on Saturday. I'm no admirer of McLeish's abilities but we played very well on Saturday. Yes, it lacked a bit of class and nous in the final third but we do lack class and nous in the final third. That didn't suprise me.

I have to say some of the build up play in the first half on Saturday was really good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
Has McLeish also realised that his love affair with Emile Heskey is now over?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 12, 2012, 10:57:05 AM
I hope so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Vanilla on March 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 12, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
I agree. The overall picture hasn't changed, for me, but it's nice to take a break from the gloom and enjoy an injury time winner!

On reflection, you do feel the celebrations after we scored were as though we had just scraped relegation in the last game of the season.

Perhaps there is something in that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 12, 2012, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: Vanilla on March 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 12, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
I agree. The overall picture hasn't changed, for me, but it's nice to take a break from the gloom and enjoy an injury time winner!


It was nice to see them celebrate the goal so much. It shows the  comradeship in the

team 
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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
We have looked a good side at times against better teams than Fulham, albeit not consistently. Hopefully we'll build on this with less pressure for results, and ironically, get better results.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 12, 2012, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Vanilla on March 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 12, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
I agree. The overall picture hasn't changed, for me, but it's nice to take a break from the gloom and enjoy an injury time winner!

On reflection, you do feel the celebrations after we scored were as though we had just scraped relegation in the last game of the season.

Perhaps there is something in that?


I thought we had won the FA Cup but it was great to see .   AMC just didn't want to have the dreadful record of 1921 , with home games without a win   so a lot pressure released for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2012, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 12, 2012, 11:19:36 AM
We have looked a good side at times against better teams than Fulham, albeit not consistently. Hopefully we'll build on this with less pressure for results, and ironically, get better results.

The best I saw us play at home was Arsenal. I thought we were excellent, and we got nish from that match.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Merv on March 12, 2012, 11:54:36 AM
Quote from: Vanilla on March 12, 2012, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 12, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
I agree. The overall picture hasn't changed, for me, but it's nice to take a break from the gloom and enjoy an injury time winner!

On reflection, you do feel the celebrations after we scored were as though we had just scraped relegation in the last game of the season.

Perhaps there is something in that?

Well, I think those three points have certainly confirmed we'll be in the PL again next season and banished any lingering worries we did have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: glasses on March 12, 2012, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 12, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

To be honest, MON was limited with far greater resources than Eck is likely to see, so even that doesn't fill me with huge confidence.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 12, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 12, 2012, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.

The more games you play the less that should have an impact, so after 28 you'd imagine it should be fairly even.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 12, 2012, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.

The more games you play the less that should have an impact, so after 28 you'd imagine it should be fairly even.

I'm bored, so looked it up. In MON's first season, our last 10 matches were:

Aston Villa   0 - 1   Arsenal   
Aston Villa   0 - 0   Liverpool      
Aston Villa   1 - 1   Everton      
Blackburn     1 - 2   Aston Villa      
Aston Villa   1 - 1   Wigan      
Middlesbro   1 - 3   Aston Villa   
Aston Villa   0 - 0   Portsmouth   
Man City           0 - 2   Aston Villa   
Aston Villa   3 - 0   Sheff Utd      
Bolton           2 - 2   Aston Villa

Our last ten this season are:

Aston Villa   v   Bolton    
Arsenal   v   Aston Villa        
Aston Villa   v   Chelsea        
Liverpool   v   Aston Villa    
Aston Villa   v   Stoke    
Man Utd   v   Aston Villa        
Aston Villa   v   Sunderland    
West Brom   v   Aston Villa    
Aston Villa   v   Tottenham        
Norwich   v   Aston Villa
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: DB on March 12, 2012, 12:17:33 PM
I would also add that we improved under MON in his first season - AM has not OK, he has financial limitations, but the comparison someone has made. Also, you have to say the quality in the Prem this season has been poor.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 12, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 12, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?

I cant remember, but I do remember that home 0-0 against Portsmouth as being McLeishian in its dullness.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 12, 2012, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.

As I said, it got more balanced after we did our Jan 2007 spending, but prior to that, so for most of the 28 games, our front line was from a very raw Gabby, Luke Moore, Angel, Baros and Chris Sutton.

Much weaker than a 5 year older Gabby, plus Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Albrighton.

No comment on emile Heskey.

And just to point out that's not a criticism of AM, I'm still in the "Don't sacj him" camp, but just trying to judge it as fairly as possible
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Small Rodent on March 12, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: jonc73 on March 12, 2012, 12:33:12 PM
Quote
Yeah but you're judging the overall standard on the second best home performance of the season.

No I'm not I've watched every game-just not all of them live.In my veiw we as fans just have to swallow this year and let McLeish be judged after he's got the chance to reshape the squad.

No, I'm not in the Dutch lions....should I be? Do I get a badge and certificate? Do they allow members from Sutton Coldfield?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on March 12, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.
and only Man U have lost fewer away
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 12, 2012, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on March 12, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.
and only Man U have lost fewer away

Good away record, but too many draws.  Maybe the MON era comparisons are more accurate than I thought!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: glasses on March 12, 2012, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 12, 2012, 12:18:25 PM
Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?

I cant remember, but I do remember that home 0-0 against Portsmouth as being McLeishian in its dullness.
Leeg, the game you are talking about was the first game of O'learys last season. At home, and all four goals in the first 10 minutes. The one Paulie pulled out in the list of results was away, last game of the season. A belter by Craig Gardner just before half time (I was buying a hot-dog for my now wife and missed the goal, grrr!), and Luke Moore got the equaliser in the second half from a Carew knock-down.

Strangely, I also remember the 0-0 Pompey game, but IIRC, David James played a blinder, and we were unlucky not to win?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: rob_bridge on March 12, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.

As I said, it got more balanced after we did our Jan 2007 spending, but prior to that, so for most of the 28 games, our front line was from a very raw Gabby, Luke Moore, Angel, Baros and Chris Sutton.

Much weaker than a 5 year older Gabby, plus Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Albrighton.

No comment on emile Heskey.

And just to point out that's not a criticism of AM, I'm still in the "Don't sacj him" camp, but just trying to judge it as fairly as possible

In my mind I had 50 points as benchmark for this season as we got 49 last year which was an poor return return based on the resources available and the fact the Premier League quality has been reducing over last 3 seasons. This was as a result of going from a brilliant man manager (yes I know the circumstances and his other limitations) to an appaling one and he had other non footballing limitations.

Also remember Petrov had a very difficult / poor first season.

So Eck needs to match O'Neills points return in the last 10 games to break even.

He also (as others have pointed out) needs to remove the shackles from the team and be true to his word (albeit make a complete break with his tradition and record) by letting them play more expansively and have a go at the 'super' clubs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:51:28 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 12, 2012, 12:46:42 PM
He also (as others have pointed out) needs to remove the shackles from the team and be true to his word (albeit make a complete break with his tradition and record) by letting them play more expansively and have a go at the 'super' clubs.
Perhaps he will. Perhaps the Weimann goal will be for AM what Mark Robins' goal was for Fergie!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 12, 2012, 12:52:25 PM
"McLeishian in its dullness".

I am picturing a barometer with the arrow pointing to dull and the unsmiling head of said person right on the end of the dull scale.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 12, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
He has had a go at the "super" clubs, and more than once. Yes, he's gone down the defensive route as well (more than once), but when people try to paint it as if he's only been negative against the big teams, then they're undoing their own argument.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: rob_bridge on March 12, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on March 12, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
He has had a go at the "super" clubs, and more than once. Yes, he's gone down the defensive route as well (more than once), but when people try to paint it as if he's only been negative against the big teams, then they're undoing their own argument.
We have been dull in the main in most of our games, not just 'Super'Clubs . The approach v Spurs, Man U and Liverpool was absolutely unacceptable. The Arsenal performance in League and win at Chelsea gave him some breathing space but it does not in any way excuse what went before. Let's see how we do when we play the'reverse' fixtures against those 5. My money is certainly on a roll over and die to Man Utd.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pedro25 on March 12, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
The two Man City approaches/performances were pretty pathetic too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 12, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
Disagree about City away. We were thoroughly outplayed by a much better team, yes, but that happens. It wasn't a particularly defensive-minded side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 12, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 12, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Quote from: frank on March 12, 2012, 11:55:03 AM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.



Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.
For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.

As I said, it got more balanced after we did our Jan 2007 spending, but prior to that, so for most of the 28 games, our front line was from a very raw Gabby, Luke Moore, Angel, Baros and Chris Sutton.

Much weaker than a 5 year older Gabby, plus Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Albrighton.

No comment on emile Heskey.

And just to point out that's not a criticism of AM, I'm still in the "Don't sacj him" camp, but just trying to judge it as fairly as possible
I will, he is not a centre forward.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 12, 2012, 08:34:19 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 11, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on March 11, 2012, 07:48:08 PM
Villanation, Ron Saunders was not a Villa fan when he was appointed Villa manager. I am not a McLeish fan after performances at Spuds, at home to Liverpool and Man City, far too negative. However, he does come across as a decent guy and the bollocks about him having a dig at the fans last night is just that. Why did he take the job, maybe because Villa are a better team than the noses and he would not get a better job than Villa with his CV. As for us being a top club now, whoever is in charge has a massive task if the chairman is not backing him and can you honestly say he has been backed by Leerner.

I still say his move was motivated, as motivated as Lerner's move was to take him in the first place, Lerner being caught between a rock and a hard place after both the shock of MON and then the health issue forcing Houllier out the door a short period after MON, this prompting almost panic in the recruitment of McLiesh by Lerner, that is why that bloke "the General" knew nothing of it and when being pestered by fans on the eve of the McLiesh appointment still stated there was no truth in the rumor of McLiesh coming to Villa.

For me I think Lerner is allowing a period of settlement in the club after a period of to much change, I think Lerner knows precisely what the next move is, can I honestly say that Lerner has backed McLiesh, I think that's obvious, but then again I don't think he ever intended to, otherwise he would have done it by now.

Do I think McLiesh is a decent guy, as I have only ever seen the man during interviews on TV how would I know, when doing his TV stuff he's doing what he's supposed to do and that's put a face on, what I base my opinion on are the actions of not just McLiesh but also Lerner and in both case I personally think the are both duplicitous and motivated.

Now you have changed the subject, I merely said he came across as a decent person. Lerner brought him in, why I dont know, but when the likes of Martinez turn us down, makes you wonder who would want to come

Not changing the subject, what I'm saying is, I have no real knowledge as to what kind of man that McLiesh is, I do know of a case where someone met him in a supermarket and claimed he hadn't a good word for Villa or the players, the word joke was used.

However, that's just gossip, I base my opinion of the individual on his actions and deeds and not how he appears on or after game interviews, and as far as I'm concerned this is a man that jumped ship on one side of the city and took a job on the other side knowing full well the vitriol that it would cause, and we have to assume he was told there would be no investment into the squad, and we have to assume he knew full well that 2 of his star players had pissed of, we have to also assume having been manager of Rangers and the rivalry that consumes that city with Celtic that he would know what he was in for if he failed with the fans backs up already.

So he knows all this and then he still takes the job and that the only positive point as far has he's concerned is it projects him into one of the highest paid managers in both the Premiership and Europe, so there you have the motivation and there you have the man and then in addition we have to remember the shenanigans that took place over a matter of days with his emailed resignation and then the accusation that Villa tapped him up and later paying a fee for a friggin manager, you can only imagine what took place just previous to all that coming to light.

Thing is, I don't blame the bloke if it is that this about money and I don't blame the bloke if it was a bit shady, the whole friggin country is shady these days, why should he be any different, and he'e not the first and won't be the last either.

So is he a decent bloke.............haven't a clue, but one thing I can tell you, his football is crap. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 08:51:42 PM
His football has got worse since Saturday, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: woody4866 on March 12, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
Mcleish is a poor manager, end of.
The substitutions made on Saturday were not of tactical brilliance but brought on due to tiredness and/or injury, basically a last throw of the dice to try and avoid another draw (or worse) and luckily for him it worked (and us I suppose).
The fact that he came from SHA only adds fuel to the fire for those who want him sacked, but his record speaks for its self regardless of where or who he has managed.
As someone back in history once said "Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals" or something like that - the same can be said for managers, and on Saturday, AM got lucky, very lucky.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
My goodness you're a keen student of history aren't you? Ever thought of going on Mastermind?

John Humphries: Who said 'Bring me lucky generals' or something like that?

Woody: Someone, once.

JH: Correct!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mister E on March 12, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on March 12, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
Mcleish is a poor manager, end of.
The substitutions made on Saturday were not of tactical brilliance but brought on due to tiredness and/or injury, basically a last throw of the dice to try and avoid another draw (or worse) and luckily for him it worked (and us I suppose).
The fact that he came from SHA only adds fuel to the fire for those who want him sacked, but his record speaks for its self regardless of where or who he has managed.
As someone back in history once said "Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals" or something like that - the same can be said for managers, and on Saturday, AM got lucky, very lucky.
So presumably, you're happy that he's in situ then?
Splendid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: OzVilla on March 12, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
When we used to beat Blose when AML was there he used to routinely remark that we had a 'different agenda' to them.  It was great to hear and was perfectly true at the time.

This season when we've played the Top 6 teams teams it's been pretty much the same situation as it was then but the roles are reversed.  I think AML may even have elouded to agendas again.

Whoever sets these 'agenda's' needs to be the one held most accountable and that, in my book, is our present owner.  We can't win the League and are probably not currently capable of a push for Champs League qualification but we can as a Club set ourselves up to have a go - we don't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
As good as win as it was on Saturday, i'm still convinced he's the right bloke for us. If Schwarzer holds onto that shot instead of parring it, then it's another draw and another blank in front of goal. Don't get me wrong, i was delighted it went in (well i was bloody ecstatic actually) but as for Alex, in the long run i just feel we'd be better off with someone else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
I don't think he's the right man for us at all and I hope he gets replaced by someone better. However I will always support and want the team to win.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 12, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
Give McLeish a chance!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on March 12, 2012, 09:02:10 PM
Mcleish is a poor manager, end of.
The substitutions made on Saturday were not of tactical brilliance but brought on due to tiredness and/or injury, basically a last throw of the dice to try and avoid another draw (or worse) and luckily for him it worked (and us I suppose).
The fact that he came from SHA only adds fuel to the fire for those who want him
sacked, but his record speaks for its self regardless of where or who he has managed.
As someone back in history once said "Dont bring me good generals, bring me lucky generals" or something like that - the same can be said for managers, and on Saturday, AM got lucky, very lucky.

Not to worry. Bolton might beat us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: old man villa fan on March 12, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
As the saying goes, 'one swallow doesn't make a summer'.  I am not judging AM on a match by match basis but on the season to date.  There have been some games where we have played well in parts and many games where we have looked terrible.

28 games should be enough to start seeing a pattern of improvement if it was going to occur but, in my opinion, we look to have gone backwards from the latter part of last season.  It will be interesting to see how we play over the next month after we have completed our easy run of matches.  Sometimes it is not the results that matter but the way you play that can give you confidence for the future.  I am not confident.

Some people are saying that AM should be given the chance to bring in his own players before finally judging him.  I am worried that this would just be delaying the inevitable and will see us spending more money and possibly shipping out some players that should not be sold.  Other than Given, I have not been impressed with the players he has brought in and 28 games in, he has still not sorted out the defence.  McLeish did well to get Blues to 9th but then went out and spent, relatively, quite a lot of money but saw the team get worse.  The fear is that it could well happen to us.

Usually, how well you play one season is based on how well you finish the previous season.  If we do not climb 5 or 6 places, we will be starting next season still looking for stability in the first half of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 12, 2012, 10:19:49 PM
Considering the trouble we had had in scoring, compare our goal difference to those below us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2012, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 12, 2012, 10:19:49 PM
Considering the trouble we had had in scoring, compare our goal difference to those below us.

when you consider that most Villa fans would agree it has been a very disappointing season, the fact that our goal difference is what it is and that we are 6 points off 7th is amazing. We almost can identify the areas that need to be purged and fixed. If you were Liverpool, on the back of that expenditure you have to be concerned.

The time to judge McLeish in my opinion is after he's had a full summer, got rid of some of he liabilities at the club, and shed some wages. Where he has brought on new faces loyal to him and has the squad and team that are essentially his. Right now having some of that discontented deadwood is one of his main trump cards in giving him the benefit of the doubt. He'll need to perform a lot better once he has made those changes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 12, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
It is a sensible stance TV, I just can't see his vision so can't buy in like I could with Houllier.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 12, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 12, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
It is a sensible stance TV, I just can't see his vision so can't buy in like I could with Houllier.
I agree with that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
I'm with TV. I think that a few more loyal, motivated players alongside the always well-motivated youngsters could make a fair bit of difference.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 12, 2012, 11:17:49 PM
Fingers crossed. A bit like a toddler not liking their veg but having to grin and bear it, we are going to have to stomach Eck for a while yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2012, 11:27:53 PM
Re: his vision, I'm encouraged by that post about him ranting and raving at the players to 'keep the ball'. But then I would be, as that's what I rant and rave about when I watch them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: hawkeye on March 12, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
Yeah maybe Mcliesh will be able to say in the future that this season was just about staying up, his negative tactics were just making sure he kept the score against and goals against column down. The crazy thing is that the last minute strike by Weiman saved his job. There are still 10 games left and he has the chance to show that he can create a style and attitude to playing football befitting this club or he will revert to type and leave us dreading his continuation as our manger.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Slaphead on March 12, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
I think the guy should go but I will give him credit for trying out the kids and atleast giving the impression of trying new things.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
Well I can only speak for myself but I'll be devastated if we don't replace him in the summer. This season has been absolute torture. There is no evidence that he has what it takes to turn us around, in fact most evidence suggests we'll just get worse the longer he is here.

I'll just stay away next year and hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 12, 2012, 10:55:15 PM
It is a sensible stance TV, I just can't see his vision so can't buy in like I could with Houllier.

Ozz, like you I was very optimistic about the future as GH was starting to paint. I haven't seen enough from McLeish yet to make that same declaration. However, we're pretty much safe now, and if we can carry on with the same style of football, or at the very least the same attitude to the end of the season, we might have reason to believe we are heading in the right direction.

I am looking forward to this summer because we will be linked to players we would not normally have thought of given our recent transfer history. I have a sneaky feeling we'll actually be on the look out for new players at a major championship as opposed to knowing full well that there's not a chance in hell with MON we'll be interested in anyone. I don't know much about Holman, but I kind of like that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2012, 12:48:59 AM
Quote from: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
Well I can only speak for myself but I'll be devastated if we don't replace him in the summer. This season has been absolute torture. There is no evidence that he has what it takes to turn us around, in fact most evidence suggests we'll just get worse the longer he is here.

I'll just stay away next year and hope he proves me wrong.

be prepared to be devastated then Caster. He isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 13, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
If they had any intention of giving him the boot we wouldn't be letting him sign Holman. He will be here next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2012, 08:35:31 AM
I also think that McLeish is here to stay, we need to let him dodge his way out of this season, have another 3-4 transfer windows and see what he can do then, it's only fair, i suppose....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Merv on March 13, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
he has still not sorted out the defence. 

Just picking up on this bit... thought about this yesterday. What's the feeling about the defence in recent games? Modest opposition, sure, but in the three matches since we've been without Dunne we've conceded once. Collins looks steadier, Warnock has cut out the silly mistakes, Hutton settling in.

Was Dunne the problem, after all? Maybe needs a thread of its own.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 13, 2012, 09:25:35 AM
We look far more solid that's for sure.  We still need to strengthen in this department even with the improvements.  Let's re-visit the situation after Arse, Chelsea and ManU.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 13, 2012, 09:26:52 AM
I said we wouldn't miss him at all and so its proved. Mind, i wouldn't put it past him to claim he's masterminded the defences' improvement from the sidelines
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 13, 2012, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 13, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
If they had any intention of giving him the boot we wouldn't be letting him sign Holman. He will be here next season.

Possibly.

But another way to look at it is, if they're restricting him to free transfers and cut price deals they're far from certain he has a long term future with us.

Ii does increasingly look like he will still be with us by the start of next season though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
Gabby up front certainly helps us concede less as the ball is up the other end a lot more when he plays.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 10:00:14 AM
When you actually look at the goals against column, our defensive record isn't really that bad. We've conceded one more than Spurs, 4 fewer than Arsenal, and 6 fewer than Newcastle, to pick just 3. It's scoring goals that's our big problem, and something that will need to be looked at in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2012, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 13, 2012, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 13, 2012, 08:02:43 AM
If they had any intention of giving him the boot we wouldn't be letting him sign Holman. He will be here next season.

Possibly.

But another way to look at it is, if they're restricting him to free transfers and cut price deals they're far from certain he has a long term future with us.

Ii does increasingly look like he will still be with us by the start of next season though.

Don't agree with that, KG, they've been telling us for ages that we are cutting back / need to live within our neans etc etc. I suspect this would be the case, whoever the manager.

I also don't think AM would have got the boot under any circumstances, even relegation. The owner has forked out a lot of money of late for departed managers, but he also seems to have thoroughly bought in to McLeish (frighteningly).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 13, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
I agree Paulie.

I tend to think whoever came in would be under similar constraints. 

But they might still be viewing him as on probation, so to speak. 
If he proves his worth with the existing squad and a few cut price deals, they'll free up the purse strings.   If he fouls up, no huge harm done.  Most of the big earners will have been ditched and we might even get a fee for some of those signed on bosmans. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
Well, if we're going to keep him, we need to support him with money.

I disagree with the board re McLeish as a manager, but if they think otherwise, then they absolutely have to support the guy, otherwise he's never going to get a chance to prove people (like me) wroing.

I actually think his signings so far are far from disastrous. Given and N'Zogbia are quality players (the latter taking a while to settle, mind) at the price paid. Hutton I think is pretty hopeless, but two out of three isn't too bad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 13, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
I think Hutton is a slow burner and will develop into a competent, if not spectacular, RB for us.

On the flipside of that, I don't give him much credit for Given, as I think that deal was already in place before he came and he just didn't object to it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2012, 10:30:21 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 13, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
I think Hutton is a slow burner and will develop into a competent, if not spectacular, RB for us.

On the flipside of that, I don't give him much credit for Given, as I think that deal was already in place before he came and he just didn't object to it.

Seems a bit harsh to give him no credit on Given, to be honest. We don't really know anything about when the deal was first mooted or discussed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 13, 2012, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 13, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
I think Hutton is a slow burner
Is he?

I'll get the fucking petrol then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: not3bad on March 13, 2012, 10:31:55 AM
I thought Hutton did pretty well on Saturday.  He's not nearly as bad as some people make out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
Mutton is improving.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
Yup, no complaints from me with his performances the last month or so. And he wouldn't be the first player to have a "slow" start to his villa career. If he keeps this up he'll be a perfectly competent (but not world class) right back. A scottish Luke Young, as it were.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 10:56:35 AM
He is improving but not world class yet.
I mean, he's not Hutton dressed as Lahm.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 13, 2012, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 10:56:35 AM
He is improving but not world class yet.
I mean, he's not Hutton dressed as Lahm.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/phoenix/1/0/e/X/2/tumbleweeds01.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
I don't really get why a 27 year old Bosman signing is being looked on as a sign of desperation by some as opposed to opportunism. He isn't a past it old fucker on his last big pay out. When other clubs make moves like this, and certainly when they work out people jump up and say "where are our scouts?", and "why aren't we doing that as opposed to signing Beye or Harewood?". This is exactly what we should be doing.

McLeish said we would be looking at Bosmans and players that would be on a fee. It's about time we became a lot more creative in the transfer market and looked to new pastures for talent be they paid or otherwise. Will it work out? Who knows. But then that applies to any signing of any value.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on March 13, 2012, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 10:56:35 AM
He is improving but not world class yet.
I mean, he's not Hutton dressed as Lahm.

(http://0.tqn.com/d/phoenix/1/0/e/X/2/tumbleweeds01.jpg)

What does a picture of Mick Hucknall hitchhiking have to do with anything?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Simba on March 13, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
oh, I thought it was a beaver on a stick
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 12:03:25 PM
An easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 13, 2012, 12:27:11 PM
Percy - give it up on the Gabby makes us play wonderful football by being up front alone - Bent played the same role with Gabby benched last season and we not only played quite well, he actually looked like scoring a goal.

which brings me nicely onto - the most important thing for me is that once we have a settled team shape, and it is coming, to not mess about with it to accommodate people. Bent and Gabby need to be one or the other, whichever he decides as Gabby on the wing does not work, in the middle Ireland, not out on the wing, NZogbia down the left where he can hurt people, Cuellar at centre half not shifted to get Dunne in - just keep it simple.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
Next season we need another forward, if not one slightly different to compete with Gabby, Bent and Weimann, as the Fonz isn't up to it. Gabby will work more and provide more to the team, but he'll never score enough goals.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 13, 2012, 12:33:12 PM
If we're playing one up front, then we don't need another striker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2012, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 13, 2012, 12:33:12 PM
If we're playing one up front, then we don't need another striker.
Fair point, but - it wouldn't hurt to have a bit of competition, proven quality, especially if it's a Robbie Keane type.... And, depends on who moves out. Heskey will go, Bent? who knows? I can't say I trust him to want to hang around.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 13, 2012, 01:14:31 PM
I could see why McLeish would want a bruiser to bully defences as well as having Gabby, Bent, Delfouneso (?) and Weimann.
We dont want to be forced into playing one way either, never mind injuries.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 13, 2012, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 13, 2012, 11:22:16 AM
I don't really get why a 27 year old Bosman signing is being looked on as a sign of desperation by some as opposed to opportunism. He isn't a past it old fucker on his last big pay out. When other clubs make moves like this, and certainly when they work out people jump up and say "where are our scouts?", and "why aren't we doing that as opposed to signing Beye or Harewood?". This is exactly what we should be doing.

McLeish said we would be looking at Bosmans and players that would be on a fee. It's about time we became a lot more creative in the transfer market and looked to new pastures for talent be they paid or otherwise. Will it work out? Who knows. But then that applies to any signing of any value.

Agreed TV.

Holman won't sell any extra season tickets I reckon, but he's a good age has already played at a decent standard and will most likely see this as a step up.   A bit of a weird thing to say maybe when his current side have been champions recently.  But he will be playing at a higher standard now.

As such, you'd like to think he'll be busting a gut to make a name for himself.  Everything I've read about him suggests he's a hardworker, and Villa fans usually take quite well to those. 

I'd far rather have that than someone already with a decent profile but on the way down career-wise, and who comes to VP just to poodle about and see out time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
I agree he's going nowhere, sadly.

We may as well close this thread and set it to reopen in mid September when we're in the bottom three and getting sub-30k attendances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
I agree he's going nowhere, sadly.

We may as well close this thread and set it to reopen in mid September when we're in the bottom three and getting sub-30k attendances.
I absolutely love these type of predictions. I remember people guaranteeing relegation last year, and a lot of the same people seemed to be doing the same this year. Now that that is highly unlikely, the next logical step is to predict it for next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
If they keep it up for long enough, they might get it right eventually.

I particularly liked Ozz's 'Fulham are going to absolutely smash us' prediction.

BTW Ozz, if you want to keep discussing our different opinions on Bent and Gabby, it might help if you argued with what I actually post on the subject, rather than you making up what I think. I mean, what's the point of that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
I didn't say we'd be relegated did I? I'm happy to hear the predictions of others and compare notes when the time comes.

I have always been a pessimist when it comes to Villa (I blame my dad for this) and let me tell you I am right more times than I'm wrong. If McLeish turns it around next year I'll hold my hands up and admit I was totally wrong but until that happens I'm going to call it like I see it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
I didn't say we'd be relegated did I? I'm happy to hear the predictions of others and compare notes when the time comes.

I have always been a pessimist when it comes to Villa (I blame my dad for this) and let me tell you I am right more times than I'm wrong. If McLeish turns it around next year I'll hold my hands up and admit I was totally wrong but until that happens I'm going to call it like I see it.
To be honest your post only reminded me of the types that I have seen over the last year or two. Didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go at you in particular.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 02:41:15 PM
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Quote from: caster troy on Today at 01:21:41 PM
I didn't say we'd be relegated did I? I'm happy to hear the predictions of others and compare notes when the time comes.

I have always been a pessimist when it comes to Villa (I blame my dad for this) and let me tell you I am right more times than I'm wrong. If McLeish turns it around next year I'll hold my hands up and admit I was totally wrong but until that happens I'm going to call it like I see it.
To be honest your post only reminded me of the types that I have seen over the last year or two. Didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go at you in particular.

Fair enough. I actually predicted a win on Saturday for the first time in ages, maybe I should change my outlook permanently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2012, 02:56:06 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)

It's a well-contruscted piece which will receive the usual response from those who think in slow motion and type in green.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 13, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
One of the replies peddles the urban myth about longest run of home games without a win.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2012, 02:59:37 PM
Any chance someone can post it so I can read it on my phone? It doesn't do links.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 13, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
One of the replies peddles the urban myth about longest run of home games without a win.

And also says we were close to the longest run of losses.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)
Had to laugh at the claim in the comments section that O'Neill had us playing great football. Away from home, on occasions, yes. But at home?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VillaAlways on March 13, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
We received a very good letter last week from one of our Aston Villa facebook followers, sorry it's taken so long to post but thanks to M Lawrence for a very reasoned piece on why fans should give Alex McLeish a break.

Martin O’Neill, why Alex McLeish won’t be leaving, and a case in defence.

We’re 11 games away from the end of the season and everyone in claret and blue is ready to kill. Sadly, the knives are still directed towards the man in charge. Many fans still talk about Martin O’Neill and the great things he did for us while at the same time calling for the head of Alex McLeish. I implore you, Villans, to show some faith.

Martin O’Neill

No doubt, the man did some great work when Randy Lerner became chairman and MON was appointed manager. Proud history, bright future. Good times. But in 5 season in charge what did he actually accomplish? We finished top 6 a few times and got a cup final and semi-final. But what did we win?

That’s right, we won nothing. Despite the great football that we played, we still came away empty-handed while he was in charge, and to suggest that we made progress in the time he was here is wrong; the only thing we made were losses. Admittedly, MON made some great signings in Ashley Young, John Carew, James Milner, Stewart Downing and (at the time) Richard Dunne and James Collins.

But look at them now. All of these players have moved on and (aside from Carew unless you count the Championship as a possibility) look to be on their way to winning silverware with their new clubs. For the team that we had, in 5 years we should have won something by then. Still not convinced MON did a poor job? Here are some more facts....

MON spent approximately £140m on transfer fees (lord knows what went on wages) and re-couped around £40m during his time in charge. As a manager, that is an unacceptable amount to lose in 5 years. £100m. £20m a season. Look at the players he signed: Marlon Harewood, Wayne Routledge, Curtis Davies, Nicky Shorey, Nigel Reo-Coker.

For those 5 players with a total fee of nearly £30m, how often were they used? Luke Young, a right-back used to fill in at left-back. Reo-Coker, a midfielder used to fill in at right-back! Nicky Shorey sat on the bench kicking his heels and counting his wages. Steve Sidwell cost around £5.5m – hardly used. To say that the man wasted money is an understatement. Emile Heskey, £3.5m......say no more.

In contrast, he spent this money to replace these players who he deemed unfit to play for Aston Villa.....Peter Whittingham. Gary Cahill. Steven Davis. Craig Gardner. Players who came through the academy and would have bled for the shirt to this day. But I digress.

Why Alex McLeish won’t be leaving

There’s no hard maths in this one. If Randy Lerner paid compensation to the Blues to get him out of his contract, why would he then pay again to do the same thing? It makes no sense. If Alex McLeish did the unthinkable and took us down, that is probably the only situation in which his hand would be forced. It would still leave us out of pocket, but with good reason.

McLeish has reiterated several times this season that he is able to take the stick we give him on the chin, is thick-skinned and is determined to make our club great again. It may be the usual clichι, but what if he means it? Remember, this is a man who has come from the dark side to do a job for us. Why would he not have something to prove? “I’ve crossed the great divide to take Mr Lerner’s money and bring you relegation and misfortune....” doesn’t sound true to me.A case in defence

Alex McLeish could well be the man to take Aston Villa forward. If we lost him now, or at the end of the season, it would put us right back at square one. Things were different when Randy first took over, he was happy to plough money into transfer fees and wages, but then he had his fingers burned by the one they call O’Neill. Last season we faced a similar threat of relegation: enter Darren Bent for £24m well spent.

Now we have McLeish, after nearly 2 years of instability and uncertainty. He knows he’s caught between a rock and a hard place with us right now, but considering the players we have and the season we’re having, things could be a lot worse.

We’re only a few good results away from the top half of the table. If McLeish had the money that was given to O’Neill we could be looking at a different Villa side, but sadly that won’t happen. Yet.

What would you do? If you have 2 experienced international defenders in Collins and Dunne who rocked the boat last season, would you ship them out, leaving 2 huge gaps at the back, or try to get them back on side doing the job that they are capable of doing, and have done before?

Would you build the team around N’Zogbia and Ireland because that’s how they’d like it or would you try and get them playing as part of a team rather than the centre of it?

Would you come out to the press and undermine your own ability by saying you’re doing a crap job, or would you try and stay positive and keep faith in the players that are letting you down because you need unity?

Would you address the fans personally, in press conferences and letters, or would you shirk the responsibility and send a rep out to speak for you? These are the kind of decisions McLeish has to make, and has made, and they are pivotal.

Barring one player, McLeish brought in 2 great signings for us: Shay Given and Charles N’Zogbia. One of the Premier league’s best keepers and a very talented winger. We also have a young left-back in Enda Stevens. These players can be big for us in the next few seasons, and with McLeish showing faith in the younger lads we could have a potentially ambitious, hungry, exciting attacking team over the next few years.

McLeish said on the official Villa website that he likes Gary Gardner because “he’d run through brick walls for Aston Villa”. I’m not sure about you, but I’d take a player like that over an £80,000 a week prima donna international any day. I think most Villa fans would too.

McLeish is adamant that he does not tell the team not to attack. Why would he lie? He knows that the only way to win games is to score goals and keep them out.

Maybe he’s been guilty of telling the lads to defend a 1-0 lead. A dangerous game, but if other teams can do it then why can’t we? Especially with the experience we have at the back? If the team’s shaky it’s because we have weak links, as mentioned earlier with the lack of passion for playing for Villa. Hopefully these will be fixed in the close season.

Overall, you can’t judge a man on three-quarters of a season. Chelsea are looking for their 8th manager in 9 years because their chairman thinks the league can be bought. Our chairman might not have the millions of Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour but he has faith in the manager.

He had enough faith to give O’Neill money to ruin the club and leave us when it couldn’t be fixed straight away. He had faith in Gerard Houllier to pick a top striker when we needed one. He has faith in Alex McLeish to do a great job for Aston Villa. It’s pointless to make petitions calling for him to be sacked, or for QIA to take us over. It won’t happen.

Next season I envisage changes, like getting rid of Dunne,

Warnock and Collins from the wage bill. I see Makoun potentially coming back in to do a job. I see more lads from the reserves taking first-team places, players who haven’t been tainted by wages, cynicism and hype, players who will listen to the manager and carry out their jobs with efficiency and style.

If football is a religion then at Villa some fans are missing a vital component of religion, and that is faith. To constantly undermine the job and performance of everyone at the club in a clearly difficult time is to abandon faith in Aston Villa. It’s time to stop complaining.

We have 11 games left. It’s a far stretch of the imagination, but that’s 33 potential points. Alex McLeish put together a team that knocked Aston Villa out of the Carling Cup, took them to the final and beat Arsenal at Wembley.

More than Martin O’Neill did for us. He is capable of doing great things, and he can do them for us if we give him a chance. He got relegated with Blues, but we are a bigger and better club with more money and stability. Harry Redknapp got relegated with Southampton, look at where he is now.

Give McLeish a chance to get it right. Wear your colours with pride and roar your heart out in the stands. One goal down, two goals down, keep on roaring. We laugh in the face of relegation. Show everyone that we are still Aston Villa. We still have a proud history and a bright future. We still have faith.


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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2012, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)
Had to laugh at the claim in the comments section that O'Neill had us playing great football. Away from home, on occasions, yes. But at home?

I think the anger at the shit football at home this season has been made a little worse than it would have been by the fact the last two years under MON and last year under GH were piss poor at Villa Park, too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
Who wrote it ? McLeish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 13, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
Who wrote it ? McLeish
Probably. Everything in there is lies.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
That article said we played some great Football under MON, yes at times, we did, but it wasn't amazing all the time, and often it was less one-dimensional than we are now, if we couldn't get it wide and cross it then we was pretty fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 13, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
Who wrote it ? McLeish
Probably. Everything in there is lies.

Such as?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 13, 2012, 04:17:37 PM
the bit where he describes the waterboarding, electic-shock therapy and mock executions at Bodymoor Heath as `cutting-edge man-management'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)

Good effort that, well written and it's full of honourable sentiments.

Unfortunately it can't erase my memories of our inept performances at home to Swansea and QPR, nor our gutless attempts at competing with Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs. It doesn't change the fact that McLeish's CV provides no evidence that he has the capability to improve us. Football isn't a religion where blind faith can override everything else, I can't go home after a match pretending I enjoyed it if in fact I was bored out of my mind and frustrated beyond belief.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 13, 2012, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 04:19:25 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)

Good effort that, well written and it's full of honourable sentiments.

Unfortunately it can't erase my memories of our inept performances at home to Swansea and QPR, nor our gutless attempts at competing with Man Utd, Liverpool and Spurs. It doesn't change the fact that McLeish's CV provides no evidence that he has the capability to improve us. Football isn't a religion where blind faith can override everything else, I can't go home after a match pretending I enjoyed it if in fact I was bored out of my mind and frustrated beyond belief.

You're supposed to forget all that now we've beaten Fulham.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 13, 2012, 04:25:00 PM
You ask any supporter of any premiership team whether they have had a good season or not. Only Swansea and Norwich fans would say yes.

How is that statistically possible? Has everyone had a bad season?

It becomes a question of whether you expect things to get better or not. And so it does become a matter of confidence, or faith if you prefer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2012, 04:31:36 PM
Surely Man City, Man Utd and Newcastle fans are happy, up to now at least?

Spurs maybe?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2012, 04:33:38 PM
Newcastle will be happy, old school City fans will still be delirious, but United didn't win the Champions League therefore their season's a failure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: damon green on March 13, 2012, 04:25:00 PM
You ask any supporter of any premiership team whether they have had a good season or not. Only Swansea and Norwich fans would say yes.

How is that statistically possible? Has everyone had a bad season?

It becomes a question of whether you expect things to get better or not. And so it does become a matter of confidence, or faith if you prefer.

There's bad in a 'disappointing' kind of way and there's bad in a 'I couldn't even be bothered to go a couple of times when I have a season ticket and practically nothing else to do' kind of way. Most fans of other clubs I speak to pity us for what we've had to put up with this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pedro25 on March 13, 2012, 04:34:16 PM
And Spurs and Everton fans also, as they both have their best chances in many years of finishing higher than their local rivals.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VillaAlways on March 13, 2012, 04:37:22 PM
Sunderland ? Now the Messiah is in charge
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 13, 2012, 04:37:38 PM
Say United win the title scrappily, Tottenham drop out of the top four and Newcastle fade to mid-table. All perfectly possible.

United fans are vocal about what a mediocre side they have by their standards. Citeh will be pissed off that they let a title-winning position slip. Everything at Spurs has been geared to getting into the Big Cup. Even Newcastle will be tempted to moan that they flattered to deceive.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Vanilla on March 13, 2012, 04:39:17 PM
Surely your level of happiness at the end of the season is relative to your ambitions. Manure may win the league and the Europa Cup, but they wanted to win the CL. Citeh may come second, which is a massive achievement, but they wanted to win the league.

Villa fans just wanted to win more than one game a month, and . . . err . . . ummm.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 13, 2012, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: damon green on March 13, 2012, 04:25:00 PM
You ask any supporter of any premiership team whether they have had a good season or not. Only Swansea and Norwich fans would say yes.

How is that statistically possible? Has everyone had a bad season?

It becomes a question of whether you expect things to get better or not. And so it does become a matter of confidence, or faith if you prefer.

There's bad in a 'disappointing' kind of way and there's bad in a 'I couldn't even be bothered to go a couple of times when I have a season ticket and practically nothing else to do' kind of way. Most fans of other clubs I speak to pity us for what we've had to put up with this season.

What exactly have we had to put up with that's so disastrous? Results and performances haven't been brilliant but we've never looked in danger of relegation, we haven't been hammered in any game and the club are in no financial problems. That puts us in a better position than all but a handful of clubs yet for some of our supporters it's as though the end of the world is nigh. Rather than pity us I would suggest other fans piss themselves laughing at the histrionics.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
I pity everyone who doesn't support us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2012, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on March 13, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
Fantastic article in the Birmingham mail (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/03/13/why-aston-villa-fans-should-give-alex-mcleish-a-break-97319-30523270/?)
Had to laugh at the claim in the comments section that O'Neill had us playing great football. Away from home, on occasions, yes. But at home?

I think the anger at the shit football at home this season has been made a little worse than it would have been by the fact the last two years under MON and last year under GH were piss poor at Villa Park, too.

Like under GH, as the season progresses, I can see positive signs with the football we are trying to play. Admittedly it's not complete, the delivery into the box all season has let us down but that for me is our only real weakness of late. It certainly beats hoofing it and for that alone I am grateful.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 13, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that everything is great. But at this stage of the season you have to weigh up whether things will get better, or get worse. McLeish has the opportunity now to show us where we're heading.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 13, 2012, 04:54:46 PM
Quote from: regular_john on March 13, 2012, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 13, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
Who wrote it ? McLeish
Probably. Everything in there is lies.

Such as?
Sorry. I had turned into a protestor for a moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: damon green on March 13, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
McLeish has the opportunity now to show us where we're heading.
Cheers Damon! I now have fucking Lene Marlin passing by in my head.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: john e on March 13, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: damon green on March 13, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that everything is great. But at this stage of the season you have to weigh up whether things will get better, or get worse. McLeish has the opportunity now to show us where we're heading.


yes he has the opportunity to be a bit more brave as we look pretty safe now,
 he can send the lads out without the big pressure that comes with a relegation dog fight which always makes any team look a lot worse than what it really is,
so lets hope we can see some decent football like we did on Saturday at times again
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: paul_e on March 13, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: john e on March 13, 2012, 05:30:16 PM
Quote from: damon green on March 13, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that everything is great. But at this stage of the season you have to weigh up whether things will get better, or get worse. McLeish has the opportunity now to show us where we're heading.


yes he has the opportunity to be a bit more brave as we look pretty safe now,
 he can send the lads out without the big pressure that comes with a relegation dog fight which always makes any team look a lot worse than what it really is,
so lets hope we can see some decent football like we did on Saturday at times again

but but but...

McLeish's brand of football put us in the position where relegation became a worry, I agree the pressure doesn't help but that doesn't account for the poor football earlier on.

I've given up worrying about wanting him out, it's clearly not going to happen anytime soon, I just hope his work this summer doesn't set us back further.

We should be in a position by September where the wages are much more in line with revenue, if this has been achieved by signing players who can take us forward then great, if we're stuck with slightly cheaper versions of what we already had then we're screwed for another 3-4 years until we can get rid of the new lot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TheSandman on March 13, 2012, 11:40:47 PM
At the end of the day we're just going to take our medicine and see what happens as it is patently obvious that McLeish is here to stay.

I do reserve the right to moan on here about it though. I'm at grudged acceptance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: LeeB on March 14, 2012, 01:13:26 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on March 13, 2012, 04:41:28 PM
I pity everyone who doesn't support us.

Likewise. It's them that have no soul.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: LeeB on March 14, 2012, 01:18:16 AM
I've also read the comments in the mail to the article in question, and each response made me back the manager a little bit more..

I'm officially with Dave McLark Five. Fuck it, I went dark after Wigan, but if it means being down with the likes of andyh then I'm out.

Mods, a name change please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 14, 2012, 01:43:12 AM
I still find it hard to believe that anyone who backs the manager can then be accused of not being a proper supporter and the local newspaper can be criticised for not attacking him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2012, 06:55:48 AM
Quote from: Lee N'B on March 14, 2012, 01:18:16 AM
I've also read the comments in the mail to the article in question, and each response made me back the manager a little bit more..

I'm officially with Dave McLark Five. Fuck it, I went dark after Wigan, but if it means being down with the likes of andyh then I'm out.

Mods, a name change please.

To what?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 14, 2012, 07:49:18 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 13, 2012, 09:19:37 PM

We should be in a position by September where the wages are much more in line with revenue, if this has been achieved by signing players who can take us forward then great, if we're stuck with slightly cheaper versions of what we already had then we're screwed for another 3-4 years until we can get rid of the new lot.


That's my concern too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
I think McLeish has ridden out the worst of it now, for this season anyway. The chances of us going down are as slim as they're going to be in our situation, I don't see anyone below us catching us up. Now is his time to analyse what he has in terms of players and make some decisions on what he can do this summer. He needs to use this time fucking wisely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 14, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
Whenever we have looked like turning the corner in recent months we've thrown in a real cowpat of a performance soon after. 

So as welcome as the win against Fulham was, forgive me if I'm a bit reticent to see it as the start of a bright new era. It was, for the most part, an ugly performance with very little penetration.  So quite a lot in common a fair few games under Big Eck this season.

And as welcome as our new found stability at the back is, it wasn't a tactical reshuffle by Big Eck that brought this about. If Dunne was fit Carlos would still be warming the bench.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 14, 2012, 09:07:22 AM
I wish we could have a facebook group in charge of the club for a season. We'd have gone through about half a dozen managers so far and now we'd be calling for Roberto DiMatteo to be in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 14, 2012, 09:07:56 AM
No, this certainly isn't the start of a bright new era, but it might be the end of the last one, which was crap. The one before that wasn't too great either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2012, 09:26:26 AM
I've reconciled myself to the fact he's staying to the forseeable future. So hopefully he will try and get us play some good stuff, blood the youngsters and make some shrewd signings so we're in a much better position when he leaves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: garyshawsknee on March 14, 2012, 10:00:07 AM
The fact that,top five apart,the league is pretty average,works in his favour. If he can tighten the defense,do some clever deals in the summer,and with the youngsters improving we should get a top half finish.

I still think he's a limited manager,and how he sets his team out against the top sides will have a bearing on how much more the fans can take.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 13, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
McLeish's brand of football put us in the position where relegation became a worry

I don't think it has.

What has but us where we are in the league is the individual errors from defenders and the lack of form from the creative players in midfield.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 14, 2012, 09:26:26 AM
I've reconciled myself to the fact he's staying to the forseeable future. So hopefully he will try and get us play some good stuff, blood the youngsters and make some shrewd signings so we're in a much better position when he leaves.

I think similar.

We need get the books balanced again, so if we can do this and then be in a position in a year or two to invest again, then this could be looked back on as a key period.  Blood and develop the youth players, clear the decks over the high paid low performers and make a few shrewd signings in the meantime. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 14, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Ger Regan on March 14, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 14, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
So as welcome as the win against Fulham was, forgive me if I'm a bit reticent to see it as the start of a bright new era. It was, for the most part, an ugly performance with very little penetration.  So quite a lot in common a fair few games under Big Eck this season.
Can't agree with the bit in bold really. Little penetration, yes I suppose, but not really any different to our home form for much of the last, what, 3 or 4 years? That can't all be down to the manager. As for ugly, I really don't see that. I thought some of the passing on Saturday was excellent, one touch football and retaining the ball. Granted, I missed around 20 minutes of the second half, so can only judge on what I witnessed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 14, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on March 14, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 14, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
So as welcome as the win against Fulham was, forgive me if I'm a bit reticent to see it as the start of a bright new era. It was, for the most part, an ugly performance with very little penetration.  So quite a lot in common a fair few games under Big Eck this season.
Can't agree with the bit in bold really. Little penetration, yes I suppose, but not really any different to our home form for much of the last, what, 3 or 4 years? That can't all be down to the manager. As for ugly, I really don't see that. I thought some of the passing on Saturday was excellent, one touch football and retaining the ball. Granted, I missed around 20 minutes of the second half, so can only judge on what I witnessed.

Agreed. If you thought that was ugly, I wouldn't like to hear your thoughts when we played Man City at home. I don't recall us hoofing it upfield all that often against Fulham (though Collins did start the second half still thinking he can successfully pass the ball 50 yards). I thought we passed it rather confidently considering the lack of support and confidence of the team, especially when playing at Villa Park.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Now that we look to be safe - I cannot see even us losing ground to 11 points.  I think it is the perfect time to get rid of this truly awful manager.  We can put Sid in charge and starting looking for a new manager.  We can take our time and do it properly.   This would be the sensible thing to do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 14, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
This would be the sensible thing to do.

FF and indeed sake.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 14, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Now that we look to be safe - I cannot see even us losing ground to 11 points.  I think it is the perfect time to get rid of this truly awful manager.  We can put Sid in charge and starting looking for a new manager.  We can take our time and do it properly.   This would be the sensible thing to do.
I believe even Sid would find that ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 11:36:26 AM
The sensible thing is to let him see the season out, especially as we'd have to pay him of to the tune of millions, and see what improvements he can make with a quarter of the season still to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 14, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Now that we look to be safe - I cannot see even us losing ground to 11 points.  I think it is the perfect time to get rid of this truly awful manager.  We can put Sid in charge and starting looking for a new manager.  We can take our time and do it properly.   This would be the sensible thing to do.
I believe even Sid would find that ridiculous.

Well Sid or KM.   The point is that we have seen what AM is capabale of over the last 7 months and indeed during his previous roles to know he is NEVER going to be the right manager for us.  So now would be the right time to get rid and start looking.   But football chairmen rarely do the right thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
It is insanity to me to get rid of McLeish now. We’re safe barring a catastrophe and given the constraints he has been put under this season I would say that most will be applauding a job well done.

What I find incredible, is that so many believe that there are managers out there that can do a better job and so few are questioning why it is, that in planning for next season we can only consider free transfers, whilst further cutting the squad down.

All this vitriol aimed at McLeish has totally distracted from the fact that in a rapid period, the club has chucked away any last vestige of attempting to compete and is attempting to drive wages down to a level that will see us utterly incapable of competing in the short term.

Given these gigantic constraints imposed by Lerner, I fail to see how anyone would be capable of doing things better and indeed would be tempted to come; given the brief they will have to adhere to.

With the facts of life being as they are, I’m very intrigued to know what impact it will have on season ticket sales. However, I think it is certainly time to get off McLeish’s case and wise up to the fact that our situation is not of his making. If you really feel the need to apportion blame, then its time it was directly at the right parties.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2012, 11:56:14 AM
fair point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Yes it's RL fault he was given the job with budget restrictions but a half decent manager would have done a much better job.  He has been awful.   "Most " fans are far from applauding him.  My god. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Yes it's RL fault he was given the job with budget restrictions but a half decent manager would have done a much better job.  He has been awful.   "Most " fans are far from applauding him.  My god. 

Most fans are not the people who inhabit this and indeed any message board and by most I meant press, people in the game and neutrals alike who believe that given the brief he has been given, he’s done a decent enough job.

Do you honestly believe that had we got Martinez, or Lambert or **insert flavour of the month here** we’d be much better off?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 12:10:36 PM
It's also worth that noting that points wise we aren't a million miles away from what could only be described as a reasonable league position, given the restraints we has been working under.  With safety all but secured, we should be letting him see where he can actually get us to finish and then judging him on a full seasons work.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
Yes it's RL fault he was given the job with budget restrictions but a half decent manager would have done a much better job.  He has been awful.   "Most " fans are far from applauding him.  My god. 

Most fans are not the people who inhabit this and indeed any message board and by most I meant press, people in the game and neutrals alike who believe that given the brief he has been given, he’s done a decent enough job.

Do you honestly believe that had we got Martinez, or Lambert or **insert flavour of the month here** we’d be much better off?

well, we'll never know the answer to that will we.
But, what we do know is getting to where we are now has been far more painful than it should have been.
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

He has absolutely no track record of ever doing it before, so what magic wand has suddenly been flashed that means he will do it from hereonin ?? The win over Fulham ??
   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 14, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 14, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Now that we look to be safe - I cannot see even us losing ground to 11 points.  I think it is the perfect time to get rid of this truly awful manager.  We can put Sid in charge and starting looking for a new manager.  We can take our time and do it properly.   This would be the sensible thing to do.
I believe even Sid would find that ridiculous.

Well Sid or KM.   The point is that we have seen what AM is capabale of over the last 7 months and indeed during his previous roles to know he is NEVER going to be the right manager for us.  So now would be the right time to get rid and start looking.   But football chairmen rarely do the right thing.
Sid and KM are doing the job that McLeish put them in to do; looking after the kids and advising on their capabilities etc. Neither has got  a track record as a first team manager and may prefer to be as they are. Better the devil you know, is my view in this case. I think they are doing a good job between them and will only get better. If it had not been for the young players, we would have been in the shit but I think we would have had money to spend if that had been the case. As it happens, I think we are better off developing those that we have. If we had not played those kids, we would possibly have lost them to someone else. The value of them is immeasurable at this stage but time is on their side and they are ours. We will need to buy in the next transfer window but what a wealth of experience those lads have gained.
In summary - leave things as they are is my recommendation. I am more confident about this now than at any other point of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

As for signings, he picked up little known players for them down the road like Zarate, Dann & Johnson, so I think he'll do Ok in that department.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:21:24 PM
And I’ll struggle to understand why anyone believes McLeish is specifically to blame for where we are right now and that his departure would change things considerably for the better.

If you want to find blame, then blame Lerner for allowing MON to run the club like his own personal fiefdom and then blame the spiteful sh** for walking out on us just before a season was due to start, when he was told to rein in the excesses
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

As for signings, he picked up little known players for them down the road like Zarate, Dann & Johnson, so I think he'll do Ok in that department.
John, it seems expectations for our club are getting lower and lower by the day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 12:24:25 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

As for signings, he picked up little known players for them down the road like Zarate, Dann & Johnson, so I think he'll do Ok in that department.
John, it seems expectations for our club are getting lower and lower by the day.

Yeah, what was I thinking comparing what I expect of the manager to a title winning outfit!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:24:36 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

As for signings, he picked up little known players for them down the road like Zarate, Dann & Johnson, so I think he'll do Ok in that department.
John, it seems expectations for our club are getting lower and lower by the day.

Its a cold hard reality when you are haemorrhaging money and need to stop it fast.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

I can accept a side that loses but tries to play a bit of football. I'll never accept us being sent out like we have under McLeish in a lot of matches this season to go for a draw, then on going a goal down, to keep the score down.

It's true, lots of results this season have been about the players more than the manager, but in a number of matches, tactically we were (to quote the Guardian after the Man U game) an ambiton-free disgrace, and that is the fault of the manager, not the players.

When we got him in as manager, I thought (and wrote in the fanzine at the time) that the worst thing he could do would be to send us out to play negatively and defensively like he did so often with his Blues team, and far too many times this season that's exactly what he has done.

I'm (of course) glad and incredibly relieved we got three points on Saturday, it lifts a great deal of pressure off us and lets us take a breather before we approach the next batch of games, but the real telling thing about McLeish won't be that he beat Fulham or how we gets on against Bolton next week, it'll be about how he sends us out to play against the "big" teams we still have to face.

If he sends us out to be as embarassingly negative as he had before, then he'll piss away the slight upturn in goodwill he has got / may get if we beat Bolton. You'd think he'd be hesitatnt to do that, but that's exactly what he did after we beat Chelsea and had a similar opportunity.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
I wouldn't want KM or Sid to move on from their current roles,  they're doing too good a job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
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And I’ll struggle to understand why anyone believes McLeish is specifically to blame for where we are right now and that his departure would change things considerably for the better.

If you want to find blame, then blame Lerner for allowing MON to run the club like his own personal fiefdom and then blame the spiteful sh** for walking out on us just before a season was due to start, when he was told to rein in the excesses

But you can't really blame Lerner for playing Heskey in left midfield and you can't blame him for some truly baffling substitutions. And you can't blame O'Neill for the way the entire team surrendered at, for example, Spurs.

We got a win on Saturday which was great and very very long overdue. Let's not get carried away though.

I agree that Lerner must take a huge amount of blame though for choosing McLeish in the first place. A manager that I'm sure no Villa fan would have actually wanted 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
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And I’ll struggle to understand why anyone believes McLeish is specifically to blame for where we are right now and that his departure would change things considerably for the better.

If you want to find blame, then blame Lerner for allowing MON to run the club like his own personal fiefdom and then blame the spiteful sh** for walking out on us just before a season was due to start, when he was told to rein in the excesses

But you can't really blame Lerner for playing Heskey in left midfield and you can't blame him for some truly baffling substitutions. And you can't blame O'Neill for the way the entire team surrendered at, for example, Spurs.

We got a win on Saturday which was great and very very long overdue. Let's not get carried away though.

I agree that Lerner must take a huge amount of blame though for choosing McLeish in the first place. A manager that I'm sure no Villa fan would have actually wanted 




Look, I’m not saying that McLeish is faultless and as John pointed out I too expected more of a George Graham approach to winning games. However, I do believe that some of the vitriol spewed on here of late has totally distracted from the root of the problem and the grim forecast for next season.

If the club is determined to be wage neutral next year and the anticipated fall in attendances comes to fruition then McLeish’s job of working with one hand tied behind his back is just going to get that much more difficult. Even trying to emulate George Graham’s Arsenal may be a step too far and I fail to see how anyone could improve things.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
If the club is determined to be wage neutral next year and the anticipated fall in attendances comes to fruition then McLeish’s job of working with one hand tied behind his back is just going to get that much more difficult. Even trying to emulate George Graham’s Arsenal may be a step too far and I fail to see how anyone could improve things.

That is the saddest thing of all. If we're going to have to live on what we generate, we are effectively running under the same basis we were under Doug.

That's not an "OMG! Randy is worse than Doug!" post, either, it's just an observation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
I'm amazed anyone expects free flowing football from us regardless of who is in charge. 18 months under BFR, 6 months under BL and i'm struggling to think of any other time where we've consistently played this football everyone thinks we should be playing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I don't think anyone 'expects' free flowing football from us, but surely we should aspire to it ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 14, 2012, 01:00:11 PM
A big part of it is because I've got a lot of faith in our youngsters, but I'm quietly confident we'll be happier next season.

Not delirious, but happier.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I don't think anyone 'expects' free flowing football from us, but surely we should aspire to it ?

You can aspire to play free flowing football when you have both the luxury to be able to do so and the players to achieve it. We have neither and the only focus the club has right now is on cutting costs and surviving within the Premiership at all costs. We may well have the Proud History but the Bright Future has well and truly shuffled off its mortal coil. Right now we’re one of a number of teams whose sole purpose is to just get by. As fans it leaves a rotten taste in the mouth, but the only thing we can do about it is support.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I don't think anyone 'expects' free flowing football from us, but surely we should aspire to it ?
I don't expect free flowing, but with the players we have, and a goal scorer too, we should be doing better in terms of performances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 14, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 14, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I really struggle to understand why people think that AM will suddenly change into a manger who plays attractive, flowing football; will sign quality players on the cheap and will make us a force in the game a game.

I don't, and never have, expected a free flowing side from him.  But I did expect one that was organised, difficult to beat and picked up a fair few 1-0 wins.  Think George Graham's Arsenal.  That's what his good spell at Blues (9th in the league & cup win) and Scotland sides were like.

I can accept a side that loses but tries to play a bit of football. I'll never accept us being sent out like we have under McLeish in a lot of matches this season to go for a draw, then on going a goal down, to keep the score down.

It's true, lots of results this season have been about the players more than the manager, but in a number of matches, tactically we were (to quote the Guardian after the Man U game) an ambiton-free disgrace, and that is the fault of the manager, not the players.

When we got him in as manager, I thought (and wrote in the fanzine at the time) that the worst thing he could do would be to send us out to play negatively and defensively like he did so often with his Blues team, and far too many times this season that's exactly what he has done.

I'm (of course) glad and incredibly relieved we got three points on Saturday, it lifts a great deal of pressure off us and lets us take a breather before we approach the next batch of games, but the real telling thing about McLeish won't be that he beat Fulham or how we gets on against Bolton next week, it'll be about how he sends us out to play against the "big" teams we still have to face.

If he sends us out to be as embarassingly negative as he had before, then he'll piss away the slight upturn in goodwill he has got / may get if we beat Bolton. You'd think he'd be hesitatnt to do that, but that's exactly what he did after we beat Chelsea and had a similar opportunity.

It's hard to argue with the sentiment of what you say - we all want Villa to play well and win, but at least try to if they can't achieve it.

Where I'm giving him some benefit of the doubt is in relation to how much is a tactical choice and how much is a relatively poor team being dominated by better side.  I still see blame to be attached to him even if the latter is the case, as he should have made us a better team by now with the players he has at his disposal, but everytime we get a negative result negative tactics are blamed, Arsenal at home aside, which I just don't think is the case.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 14, 2012, 03:03:57 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 14, 2012, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 14, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
Quote from: TonyD on March 14, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Now that we look to be safe - I cannot see even us losing ground to 11 points.  I think it is the perfect time to get rid of this truly awful manager.  We can put Sid in charge and starting looking for a new manager.  We can take our time and do it properly.   This would be the sensible thing to do.
I believe even Sid would find that ridiculous.

Well Sid or KM.   The point is that we have seen what AM is capabale of over the last 7 months and indeed during his previous roles to know he is NEVER going to be the right manager for us.  So now would be the right time to get rid and start looking.   But football chairmen rarely do the right thing.
Sid and KM are doing the job that McLeish put them in to do; looking after the kids and advising on their capabilities etc. Neither has got  a track record as a first team manager and may prefer to be as they are. Better the devil you know, is my view in this case. I think they are doing a good job between them and will only get better. If it had not been for the young players, we would have been in the shit but I think we would have had money to spend if that had been the case. As it happens, I think we are better off developing those that we have. If we had not played those kids, we would possibly have lost them to someone else. The value of them is immeasurable at this stage but time is on their side and they are ours. We will need to buy in the next transfer window but what a wealth of experience those lads have gained.
In summary - leave things as they are is my recommendation. I am more confident about this now than at any other point of the season.

The flipside to that DC5 is these young players whom we all value and cherish so highly are unlikely to thrive with McLeish's standard tactics.  I don't think it's any coincidence that Albrighton and Bannan - the two leading lights of the Academy- have struggled this season.  The Fonz barely features and Gardner- apart from a few moments of quality- hasn't looked at ease with first XI system either.   Wiemann scuffed a goal in on Saturday (and what a vital goal it was)  but has been largely anonymous apart from that. 

True, you won't get consistency and game changing performances from all of them.  And credit to McLeish to at least picking some of them. Occasionally. But a better pattern of play and a more progressive approach would surely utilise their talents far more. I don't just mean in the odd game here and there either -  a bright 20 minutes where we kept the ball for a bit because the opposition were either slow to start or didn't turn up. Trying to play the right way should be the norm, not the exception.

The only player out of the Academy set up that hasn't looked like a complete fish out of water is Herd - probably the least technically gifted of the bunch. 

If we had a rake of defenders, defensive midfielders  and general spoilers that had come through the set up at the same time, I'd say there would have been logic in an appointment like McLeish.

But with the players we actually have it makes the the decision even more questionable.

What we seem to all require now is a collective leap of faith - to believe that a manager who have never shown any real interest or aptitude for bringing players through or playing   with an expansive, progressive approach will suddenly have a Damascene conversion this late into his career.  For his sake (and ours)  I truly hope it happens.  That's all it is though - hope.  As nothing in his background shows it to be even a vaguely reasonable expectation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: LeeB on March 14, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
Well he didn't do Mikel Arteta any harm.

I'm unsure about his tactical approach, I can't see him bollocking people for showing attacking intent. I think some of his selections have been timid, but in others he's been quite brave with mixed results.

As others have pointed out, I think much of our problems have simply been lack of confidence and individual errors. We have talented players, but most of the senior ones are woefully inconsistent and mentally fragile, hence why they're with us and not a better side.

The manager can now relax a little as we're safe, and his focus has to be on overhauling this side on a shoestring, something I actually have far more confidence in with him than that pube-headed tossbucket O'Neill.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 14, 2012, 05:22:33 PM
My problem with McLeish is simply that he seems too limited tactically - without ball defending, with ball attacking. In fact, holding possession is an effective defensive tactic, while pressing high up the pitch is very attacking. Everyone eulogises about the good football Swansea play, but they've scored 31 goals this season - the same as us. The point about technically good football is that it's just more effective. If you have the ball, they can't score, to paraphrase Brian Clough. Sure, you can point to plenty of games where the side who dominates ends up getting beat, but by and large, if you dominate games you'll get better results overall. Possession isn't a luxury - it is actually the safest, most effective way to play the game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ez on March 14, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
It would be nice to hear some assurances from the club along the lines of, 'The club are doing everything possible to ensure this seasons poor form doesn't continue next season'. Well theres still time. Seasons not over yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
It would be nice to hear some assurances from the club along the lines of, 'The club are doing everything possible to ensure this seasons poor form doesn't continue next season'. Well theres still time. Seasons not over yet.

What would be the point of that, though?

People would just say (rightly) "don't tell us, show us".

Surely not being shit is a given as an aim of football clubs?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 14, 2012, 08:06:11 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 14, 2012, 11:51:31 AM

What I find incredible, is that so many believe that there are managers out there that can do a better job and so few are questioning why it is, that in planning for next season we can only consider free transfers, whilst further cutting the squad down.


                   I think this is rubbish Neil , sorry mate .  McLeish still has got a good squad and should be higher up than he is .   Posters on here , keep going on how poor this league is at the moment , which makes it even worse to be honest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithe on March 14, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
Surely not being shit is a given as an aim of football clubs?

Remember a few years ago when it was all the rage to have a company mission statement, you know you told everyone what it was you did and had always done but you threw in the latest buzz statements as well. Perhaps we could revive that 'We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: MonsXI on March 14, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Our "This is Anfield" sign "We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: damon loves JT on March 14, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on March 14, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Our "This is Anfield" sign "We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit"

`Excuse me. This is Villa Park, I'm afraid'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 14, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
Surely not being shit is a given as an aim of football clubs?

Remember a few years ago when it was all the rage to have a company mission statement, you know you told everyone what it was you did and had always done but you threw in the latest buzz statements as well. Perhaps we could revive that 'We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit'

Or

"We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit, by and large"'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 14, 2012, 09:36:39 PM
'This is Villa Park. Don't even think about leaving early.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Aston Manor on March 14, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
'This is Villa Park. The points will probably be yours'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 14, 2012, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 14, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I don't think anyone 'expects' free flowing football from us, but surely we should aspire to it ?
I don't expect free flowing, but with the players we have, and a goal scorer too, we should be doing better in terms of performances.
Just over a goal a game is not good enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: old man villa fan on March 14, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 14, 2012, 05:22:33 PM
My problem with McLeish is simply that he seems too limited tactically - without ball defending, with ball attacking.

How many ex-players that played mid 80s to mid 90s have made decent managers.  Has football moved on to a different level from management that they played under.  I believe it has, significantly.

What we are seeing now is a very tactical game relying on good coaching more than good management.  Foreign managers have for a long time seemed to have been better 'students' of the game and more suited to the modern game.  There are, however, a number of young British managers that are following in the same vein.

There are some good 'old school' British managers but they are few and far between, as can be seen from the limited number of candidates for the England job.

I do not think McLeish's style of management and tactics suits the game as it is played today.  There is too much thinking about the next match rather than the future or, as we have seen, the next 45 minutes.  Too much thinking about just getting over the line rather than comfortably strolling across the line.

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 14, 2012, 09:36:39 PM
'This is Villa Park. Don't even think about leaving early.'
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:20:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 14, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
Surely not being shit is a given as an aim of football clubs?

Remember a few years ago when it was all the rage to have a company mission statement, you know you told everyone what it was you did and had always done but you threw in the latest buzz statements as well. Perhaps we could revive that 'We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit'

Or

"We are Aston Villa, we'll try not to be shit, by and large"'

This is Villa Park. The home of Charity.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Vanilla on March 15, 2012, 09:56:39 AM
'This is Aston Villa - Try not to fall asleep'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 15, 2012, 10:03:08 AM
"This is Aston Villa.  Don't worry - we regularly beat ourselves."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 15, 2012, 10:11:35 AM
'This is Aston Villa - We will make our own life difficult'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mazrim on March 15, 2012, 10:13:08 AM
"Aston Villa welcomes cautious managers"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: luke25 on March 15, 2012, 10:14:09 AM
"Aston Villa, recommended by Fergie"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: KevinGage on March 15, 2012, 10:16:55 AM
"Aston Villa - winning is overrated."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 15, 2012, 10:24:25 AM
"This is Aston Villa - You won't play as badly as we do."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 15, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
"Aston Villa , see what we can do , when we back the manager "
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 15, 2012, 10:32:03 AM
"This is Aston Villa - Sideways is our goal."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: NeilH on March 15, 2012, 10:39:29 AM
This is Aston Villa. Drawing is the new winning
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 15, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
'This is Aston Villa - Who can we sell you?'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VillaAlways on March 15, 2012, 10:52:25 AM
This is Aston Villa.We're a nice Football club
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Concrete John on March 15, 2012, 10:55:04 AM
This is Aston Villa.  At least we're not a Leeds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 15, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
'This is Aston Villa. We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: john e on March 15, 2012, 10:57:29 AM
This is Aston Villa. Its a bad thing that's happened
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 15, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
'This is Aston Villa - Where our reserves are better than our first team'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: glasses on March 15, 2012, 11:13:49 AM
'We used to be Aston Villa. We still are, sometimes.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 15, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
'Aston Villa - The Fotballing Graveyard.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 15, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
"Aston Villa - Do you want to bet on us?"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on March 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 15, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
'This is Aston Villa. We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.'
Surely this has to be the winner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 15, 2012, 12:24:00 PM
Aston Villa: Home of great history and great future but dull present.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 15, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
Aston Villa  : Abrahamovic , you cant have , what we have got .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 15, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
Aston Villa. Striving for mediocrity.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
"Aston Villa. Meh"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villajk on March 15, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: Sister of Top Cat on March 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 15, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
'This is Aston Villa. We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.'
Surely this has to be the winner.

It is in my book.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
We've had a mission statement for years. It was on the wall of Witton Station: 'AWAY FANS - COME AT YOUR OWN RISK'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 15, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
Even that's been changed. It now reads.......AWAY FANS PLEASE COME AND MAKE THE GROUND LOOK NEARLY FULL.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: paulcomben on March 15, 2012, 02:02:23 PM
AWAY FANS PLEASE COME AND MAKE MORE NOISE THAN US.  Very sadly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
This is Aston Villa. Take advantage as we won't be this average for long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 15, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 15, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
This is Aston Villa. Take advantage as we won't be this average for long.

That one could go either way TV!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: andyh on March 15, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
This is Aston Villa. A half arsed club that used to be famous.

We'll be back !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rigadon on March 15, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
Aston Villa:  Prepared (for cutbacks)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2012, 05:03:30 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on March 15, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 15, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
This is Aston Villa. Take advantage as we won't be this average for long.

That one could go either way TV!

fuck. you're right
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2012, 05:09:29 PM
Aston Villa - Balanced Books
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 15, 2012, 05:10:09 PM
'Aston Villa, we're....erm...Ah fuck it, we can't be bothered.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2012, 05:12:54 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 15, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: Sister of Top Cat on March 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 15, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
'This is Aston Villa. We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.'
Surely this has to be the winner.

It is in my book.
Have you written a book, Pauline?
Does Dave W know about a new competitor on the block?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villajk on March 15, 2012, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: EffDee on March 15, 2012, 05:12:54 PM
Quote from: villajk on March 15, 2012, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: Sister of Top Cat on March 15, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 15, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
'This is Aston Villa. We're by far the greatest team the world has ever seen.'
Surely this has to be the winner.

It is in my book.
Have you written a book, Pauline?
Does Dave W know about a new competitor on the block?

Haha,  I wish.  Dave's got nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
This is Aston Villa: We are in the Deloitte Top 20
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Post by: picicata on March 15, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
Welcome to Villa Park: We're on a road to nowhere, come on inside.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
This is Aston Villa: The General says "Call Nicky Keye"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: itbrvilla on March 15, 2012, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
This is Aston Villa: Formally in the Deloitte Top 20
fixed
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
ASTON VILLA: PREPARED (to play like a pile of shite as long as it is done on the cheap and we don't go down)

This is Aston Villa: Sit back, take a load off, have some points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 15, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
'Welcome to Villa Park, do not feed the Heskey.'
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2012, 06:13:56 PM
This is Aston Villa. Champions of Europe 1982
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 06:15:11 PM
This is Stourbridge Junction: The wife had better have the tea on, I am starving.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 15, 2012, 06:15:45 PM
Aston Villa: Better than you since 1874
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 15, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
This is Villa Park (2012) - The Stadium of Shite or the Fleapit of Nightmares :)
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Post by: Legion on March 15, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Villa Park: Welcome to our Bouncy Castle
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 15, 2012, 07:11:03 PM
Is that Richard Dunne's new nickname?
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Post by: charlie on March 15, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
This is Aston, B6 Your mission, :- find a ...............................
[clue football].
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 15, 2012, 11:07:25 PM
'This is Aston Villa. The away fans are opposite you as you come out of the tunnel. If you are wondering who the rest are,  they are the home fans.'
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Post by: Louzie0 on March 15, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
'This is Aston Villa.'


optional - added: 'Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: joe_c on March 16, 2012, 12:29:37 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on March 15, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
'This is Aston Villa.'


optional - added: 'Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

George Ramases?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Louzie0 on March 16, 2012, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: joe_c on March 16, 2012, 12:29:37 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on March 15, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
'This is Aston Villa.'


optional - added: 'Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

George Ramases?

More Ozzie aka Ozymandias, King of Kings.  If you're after an inspirational quote, who better, either way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TonyD on March 16, 2012, 09:48:17 AM
This is Aston Villa - we are gonna kick your arse 5-1.   (but not today)
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 16, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
Villa Park - please mind the gap between expectation and reality
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 16, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call Villa Park.
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Post by: Ad@m on March 17, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on March 15, 2012, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 15, 2012, 05:54:55 PM
This is Aston Villa: Formerly in the Deloitte Top 20
fixed
Actually fixed!
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Post by: Mister E on March 17, 2012, 07:35:39 PM
This is Villa Park: Theatre of Memories
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Post by: hawkeye on March 17, 2012, 08:52:24 PM
This was Aston Villa
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Post by: serbentoflight on March 17, 2012, 08:54:24 PM
This is Villa Park. If you weren't here as a player at 17, you will be at 34. Be kind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Simba on March 17, 2012, 10:12:26 PM
This is Villa Park.

Stop giggling back there.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 18, 2012, 08:33:28 AM
This is Villa Park: Unique and proud to be different.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 18, 2012, 10:59:16 AM
Needs to be more intimidating.

How about "This is Villa Park. FUCK OFF"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: MarkM on March 18, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
How about:

"This is Villa Park. Glory beckons"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: richard moore on March 18, 2012, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: MarkM on March 18, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
How about:

"This is Villa Park. Glory beckons"

For the away team presumably? That sounds spot on to me actually...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Irish villain on March 18, 2012, 04:24:02 PM
This is Villa Park, help yourself to a point, on us.
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Post by: Fergal on March 18, 2012, 04:54:15 PM
This is Villa park, AM promises not to score so that we don't annoy you.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Steve67 on March 18, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
We are Aston Villa.  We used to be famous but now we are half arsed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 25, 2012, 05:03:43 AM
This is Villa Park, would God please take a few hours off from killing babies in Africa and help us...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 25, 2012, 05:03:52 AM
This is Villa Park, would God please take a few hours off from killing babies in Africa and help us...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Fergal on March 25, 2012, 05:04:01 AM
This is Villa Park, would God please take a few hours off from killing babies in Africa and help us...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Singapore Villa on March 25, 2012, 06:42:51 AM
I was prepared to give him a go, but I can't take it anymore.  We have fallen so far in the last 2 years that I don't know whether to laugh or cry.  We need to sack McLeish and hire a young, up and coming coach like Lambert to turn the ship around.  Get rid of the deadwood (Heskey/Warnock to start) and build a future around our young players like Clark, Gardner etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Moorski on March 25, 2012, 08:03:50 AM
The thing is he says that people expected us to win at Arsenal,he goes on to say that they are an elite club and we have to be realistic! when asked by a BBC reporter is we can beat any of Chelsea,Liverpool,Man Utd, Spurs who we have yet to play he says they are beatable !! Playing like the way we do,I don't think so Alex!!!
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Post by: Zhong Yi on March 25, 2012, 08:37:02 AM
The Future of Alex McLeish?

knocking back a case of Don Perignon with David Sullivan and company following a relegation, a sacking and a few million quid in his bank, followed by a taking of the Rangers or Aberdeen job.
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Post by: Fergal on March 25, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
He has to go he is sucking the life out of the club.
I really wanted him to win us over and be a success, not because of where he came from but because he is not a very good manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: supertom on March 25, 2012, 09:47:17 AM
Just when you think he's turned a corner, he goes and puts Heskey on the fucking pitch! Why? He's gone (if there's a god) in the summer, and we need to build for the future, so why did he not play Weimann or Bannan? Fecking hell. What did Emile offer for 60 minutes? When a manager actually states that a player can only play for 60 minutes now, then surely at the top level, said player is finished. I don't care who it is. You have to have the legs to last 90 in this league. I know we say Stan breaths out his arse after 60 minutes, but he still lasts the pace. Heskey you get the impression would literally seize up and collapse. His knees or back would just give out if he stayed 5 minutes too long. He's fucking done. He's not even Championship standard anymore. Get him out to the MLS or let him bow out in the lower leagues FFS.

The guy's an idiot. If Randy's got any sense he'll fuck McLeish off.

And you're know what else? We're not home and dry yet! Pathetic. Why do the players not take some initiative either? Are footballers that thick as pig shit that they can't pass and move and actually push forward without someone telling them too?
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Post by: midnite on March 25, 2012, 10:07:51 AM
When someone from a BBC radio station says Heskey was a joke and is playing down to his retirement. It must of been bad!

Didn't see the game though, not even watched the highlights. After reading the comments on here I couldn't be bothered.
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Post by: supertom on March 25, 2012, 10:56:15 AM
Quote from: midnite on March 25, 2012, 10:07:51 AM
When someone from a BBC radio station says Heskey was a joke and is playing down to his retirement. It must of been bad!

Didn't see the game though, not even watched the highlights. After reading the comments on here I couldn't be bothered.
I've been out the last few weekends, so I've either caught repeats of the matches or watched the highlights. This week, I think I'll save myself the headache like yourself mate. It's too nice a day for that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TheSandman on March 25, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
Worse than O'Leary.
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Post by: ez on March 25, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
Its terrible really. I'm not saying its without justification but I've never known a villa manager to be derided by the clubs own fans as much as McLeish is. We're into new territory here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
still doing better than Houllier, though. He had both Downing and Young and yet at this time last season, we were in the same position.
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Post by: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:10:24 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
still doing better than Houllier, though. He had both Downing and Young and yet at this time last season, we were in the same position.


He's worse than Houiller.
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Post by: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!
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Post by: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

It's debatable but not impossible. I prefer Mcleish as a person to Houiller but at least under Houiller he had some kind of plan of how he wanted to play and we created chances.
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Post by: john e on March 25, 2012, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 25, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
Worse than O'Leary.


i want him out of the club,
 but as a person he is a twice the  man than O'leary will ever be
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Post by: TheSandman on March 25, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
About half the manager though. He shares the same tendency to talk the club down as well.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

It's debatable but not impossible. I prefer Mcleish as a person to Houiller but at least under Houiller he had some kind of plan of how he wanted to play and we created chances.


Amazed anyone would say we are better under McLeish than Houllier. From the end of jan onwards, we were a decent side that had hope of playing decent football, with a manager that had proved a winner over a number of years. Eck is a useless lump.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
Agreed Ozz. Also I'm also beginning to dislike Mcleish as a man, as he constantly blames others for his mistakes and belittles the club.
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Post by: Irish villain on March 25, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

It's debatable but not impossible. I prefer Mcleish as a person to Houiller but at least under Houiller he had some kind of plan of how he wanted to play and we created chances.


Amazed anyone would say we are better under McLeish than Houllier. From the end of jan onwards, we were a decent side that had hope of playing decent football, with a manager that had proved a winner over a number of years. Eck is a useless lump.

Even though I never liked him, there was a bit of glamour about Houllier, and he had a track record to stand over! Eck is way out of his depth.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 25, 2012, 04:41:01 PM
Fucking Eck is twice the human being O'Leary is, that said, I can't ever imagine the ginger one getting us to 6th in the League.
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Post by: paul_e on March 25, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
I never bought into the 'he seems a decent guy' thing tbh.  Did the dirty on Blues to come to us and did it in a way that shows no decency in the slightest.

Now that he's spent 3/4s of a season slagging the players and fans off and talking about how managing a team that had finish top half 4 years running was the hardest job ever in the world I've decided he's about as full of shit as anyone in the game.

The fact that he seems completely unwilling to accept that he can do something about it is the thing that makes me so against the guy.  We do have a couple of weak spots in the squad but generally we've got a squad of decent players who are capable of more than their giving currently.  He seems to be totally focused on the weak spots and ignoring the under-performing aspect.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 25, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

It's debatable but not impossible. I prefer Mcleish as a person to Houiller but at least under Houiller he had some kind of plan of how he wanted to play and we created chances.


Amazed anyone would say we are better under McLeish than Houllier. From the end of jan onwards, we were a decent side that had hope of playing decent football, with a manager that had proved a winner over a number of years. Eck is a useless lump.

Even though I never liked him, there was a bit of glamour about Houllier, and he had a track record to stand over! Eck is way out of his depth.

Houllier was building something and had a very good track record in England and France of accomplishment. I really wish he hadn't gotten ill because there is no way on earth we'd be where we are today. A lot of the deadwood fuckers abusing our beautiful colours would be gone, replaced by the sort of players that have turned Newcastle into a decent outfit.

FUCK ME
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Post by: Doorbell on March 25, 2012, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 25, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
I never bought into the 'he seems a decent guy' thing tbh.  Did the dirty on Blues to come to us and did it in a way that shows no decency in the slightest.

Now that he's spent 3/4s of a season slagging the players and fans off and talking about how managing a team that had finish top half 4 years running was the hardest job ever in the world I've decided he's about as full of shit as anyone in the game.

The fact that he seems completely unwilling to accept that he can do something about it is the thing that makes me so against the guy.  We do have a couple of weak spots in the squad but generally we've got a squad of decent players who are capable of more than their giving currently.  He seems to be totally focused on the weak spots and ignoring the under-performing aspect.

This!  I was thinking the very same a little earlier...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 25, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 25, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 25, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

It's debatable but not impossible. I prefer Mcleish as a person to Houiller but at least under Houiller he had some kind of plan of how he wanted to play and we created chances.


Amazed anyone would say we are better under McLeish than Houllier. From the end of jan onwards, we were a decent side that had hope of playing decent football, with a manager that had proved a winner over a number of years. Eck is a useless lump.

Even though I never liked him, there was a bit of glamour about Houllier, and he had a track record to stand over! Eck is way out of his depth.

Houllier was building something and had a very good track record in England and France of accomplishment. I really wish he hadn't gotten ill because there is no way on earth we'd be where we are today. A lot of the deadwood fuckers abusing our beautiful colours would be gone, replaced by the sort of players that have turned Newcastle into a decent outfit.

FUCK ME

Yep it is very very frustrating. We'd have the likes of Cabaye in our side rather than an ageing Petrov.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
In all seriousness, I cannot see us getting over 40 points, which would leave us most seasons up shit creek, but will be safe this as the current bottom 3 have quite difficult run ins, and will likely go down. With the squad we have that is not just bad, it is a performance management issue, and in any other place of work would be grounds for dismissal on simply not doing his job properly!

Surely he will be got rid of come the summer. Worst manager in the history of the club for me. And the nice guy stuff is just trying to dress it up and make people feel better inside about having a completely useless manager in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 25, 2012, 03:14:20 PM
impossible!

I remember us beating arsenal under Houlier
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 25, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
I admit it I wanted Houllier gone from this point last season.

However not for one second did I imagine his replacement would be McLeish.

If I'd know that would be the case, I'd have been happy for Houllier to be given another season providing his health had been o.k.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
In all seriousness, I cannot see us getting over 40 points, which would leave us most seasons up shit creek, but will be safe this as the current bottom 3 have quite difficult run ins, and will likely go down. With the squad we have that is not just bad, it is a performance management issue, and in any other place of work would be grounds for dismissal on simply not doing his job properly!

Surely he will be got rid of come the summer. Worst manager in the history of the club for me. And the nice guy stuff is just trying to dress it up and make people feel better inside about having a completely useless manager in charge.


Agreed sadly I think our owner is too clueless to pull the trigger. It's been said earlier Faulkner said that Europe was an aim, so surely this is season has been evidence of gross incompetency and Mcleish has to be fired.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 25, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
I admit it I wanted Houllier gone from this point last season.

However not for one second did I imagine his replacement would be McLeish.

If I'd know that would be the case, I'd have been happy for Houllier to be given another season providing his health had been o.k.


Same here , he had the worse injuries I had ever known at Villa to be fair and a lot of baggage at the club he was trying to get rid  , and I always remember that Manure game with the kids and thought, thats how I want to see Villa play.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 05:29:51 PM
Yeah in hindsight I don't think anyone would want Houllier gone with what has followed since. However in fairness I doubt anyone could believe how truly moronic our board could be.
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Post by: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.
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Post by: Fergal on March 25, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
I would sack AM now and appoint Gary McAllister
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
It was the Man City game for me with Houlier , other than that I just wanted him to sort the team out and get rid of all the journeyman .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

Same here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

we were definitely in the minority. His record after January was very respectable indeed. I still think we'd have lost Downing, and Young was going either way, but the types of replacements would have been creative and imaginative.
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Post by: GarTomas on March 25, 2012, 05:37:27 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:34:05 PM
It was the Man City game for me with Houlier , other than that I just wanted him to sort the team out and get rid of all the journeyman .

Although with some of the comments AM has come out with this season he seems to be of the same opinion.

GH at least had the decency to come out and give it straight.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 25, 2012, 05:39:18 PM
Another thing I admit I was wrong on was criticising Houllier for his treatment of the defence. At the time the defence still had a lot of goodwill in the bank from the previous season and I thought he was wrong to banish Warnock and Dunne for periods of the season. He was completely right.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 25, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
Houllier was a bad choice, but we wouldn't be in the shit we're in now if he was still here.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 25, 2012, 05:40:36 PM
Mcleish did what we did against Citeh under Houllier virtually every week.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
Houlier needed another season and  he would have signed some good footballers and the football would have been so much better ,  but most fans thought we could get somebody better in , they were living in cuckoo land to believe that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 25, 2012, 05:42:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 25, 2012, 05:40:36 PM
Mcleish did what we did against Citeh under Houllier virtually every week.

spot on , it hurt me once last season , it has hurt me about 20 times this season .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Mister E on March 25, 2012, 05:45:01 PM
I was prepared to give GHou the benefit of the doubt - particularly after the final third.

I think RL / PF took fright when GHou and GMac presented their plans for 2011-12 and they'd earmarked a significant number of removals (which would probably have precipated extra payouts or write-offs).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: john e on March 25, 2012, 05:45:26 PM
we are 8 points clear of relegation as it stands with a game in hand, we are not going down, we wont lose every game till the end of the season, we will pick up a few more points,

the problem with you guys banging on and on about relegation is that when we are safe and we dont go down it will look as though AM has done a good job keeping us up
 because your so worried about something thats not going to happen you are playing into his hands, he will just turn round and say 'you all thought we were going down, but i kept us up' he will look like a hero, when he is the exact opposite.
we are not in any danger of going down, so dont make it look as though thats the requirement for Mcliesh

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 25, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 25, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

we were definitely in the minority. His record after January was very respectable indeed. I still think we'd have lost Downing, and Young was going either way, but the types of replacements would have been creative and imaginative.

I'm in this minority as well. I think he got harsh treatment for some of the gaffs he did, and his vision for the club was clear, modern and refreshingly ruthless (I liked the way he dealt with the unjustifiably big egos in the defence). How far we've regressed since has been gut-wrenching.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: paul_e on March 25, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 25, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 25, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

we were definitely in the minority. His record after January was very respectable indeed. I still think we'd have lost Downing, and Young was going either way, but the types of replacements would have been creative and imaginative.

I'm in this minority as well. I think he got harsh treatment for some of the gaffs he did, and his vision for the club was clear, modern and refreshingly ruthless (I liked the way he dealt with the unjustifiably big egos in the defence). How far we've regressed since has been gut-wrenching.

I liked what Houllier was trying to achieve, and I think some of our kids would be much better integrated into the squad by now if he'd stayed, as well as the fact that there wouldn't have been second chances for the wasters who'd screwed us last season.

This is also why I want McLeish out now rather than giving him unti lthe end of the season.  I want a new guy in to see a bunch of games and realise that Stan isn't up to it anymore (it's a shame, I liked petrov at his best but he's nowhere near that level now and needs to be replaced), Dunne is a liability who thinks he's bigger than the club, Warnock is a car wreck and Heskey is a waste of a shirt.  Then there's no chance of them getting another season of being assessed by a new guy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TheSandman on March 25, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 25, 2012, 05:06:50 PM
I never bought into the 'he seems a decent guy' thing tbh.  Did the dirty on Blues to come to us and did it in a way that shows no decency in the slightest.

He shat on Hibs from a great height too. The nice guy stuff is a bit of a myth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 25, 2012, 05:55:12 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 25, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
This is also why I want McLeish out now rather than giving him unti lthe end of the season.  I want a new guy in to see a bunch of games and realise that Stan isn't up to it anymore (it's a shame, I liked petrov at his best but he's nowhere near that level now and needs to be replaced), Dunne is a liability who thinks he's bigger than the club, Warnock is a car wreck and Heskey is a waste of a shirt.  Then there's no chance of them getting another season of being assessed by a new guy.

Tbh, the kind of manager I'd like in is the kind who'd perhaps watch DVDs of our season or just know what we're like anyway. At the very least, he'd see how useless these guys are in training. So if he were ever appointed, he'd be fine on the dross.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 25, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
Quite how leaving a club for a bigger club is shitting on the former club is beyond me. Nearly every manager we've ever had has done the same. As have 99% of the players we've ever signed. None of those can be nice guys then either. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: TheSandman on March 25, 2012, 06:16:34 PM
Mid-season about a week after saying you had no interest in moving?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 25, 2012, 06:22:48 PM
Which I would imagine thousands of players and managers have done over the years. Many will have said that and meant it at the time, then the bigger club comes calling and presents a new opportunity. The vast majority will probably take it.

Martinez said he wanted to stay at Wigan and chose not to talk to us is seen by many as him not having ambition. But if he had talked to us and then joined apparently he wouldn't be a nice guy but as guy who shit on clubs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 25, 2012, 06:32:13 PM
I would happily take Gary Mac back - we ended last season well and were playing some decent football. I've seen nothing come close to that this season and we as a club have paid millions for the priviledge. Shocking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VillaAlways on March 25, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
I think if Houllier had stayed , we may well have been where Newcastle are now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 25, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on March 25, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
I think if Houllier had stayed , we may well have been where Newcastle are now

Weren't we meant to be the front-runners for signing Yohan Cabaye before GH left?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Legion on March 25, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Look! Another protest! (http://mcleishout.co.uk/2012/03/24/protest-v-chelsea-target-mcleish-faulkner-avfc/)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: VillaAlways on March 25, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 25, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on March 25, 2012, 06:34:00 PM
I think if Houllier had stayed , we may well have been where Newcastle are now


Weren't we meant to be the front-runners for signing Yohan Cabaye before GH left?
Yep.Depressing isn't it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: caster troy on March 25, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Look! Another protest! (http://mcleishout.co.uk/2012/03/24/protest-v-chelsea-target-mcleish-faulkner-avfc/)

I'll be there this time. It won't make a difference but at least I get the chance to vent my enormous frustration.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: ozzjim on March 25, 2012, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 25, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Look! Another protest! (http://mcleishout.co.uk/2012/03/24/protest-v-chelsea-target-mcleish-faulkner-avfc/)

I'll be there this time. It won't make a difference but at least I get the chance to vent my enormous frustration.

If I was going to the games, I would go to this. There is not much we can do as fans to show our distaste, but this is at least one. Fair play for having a go and not just taking it up the backside without a squeal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Monty on March 25, 2012, 06:58:00 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 25, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Look! Another protest! (http://mcleishout.co.uk/2012/03/24/protest-v-chelsea-target-mcleish-faulkner-avfc/)

I'll be there this time. It won't make a difference but at least I get the chance to vent my enormous frustration.

That's one of the more reasonable purposes of this. Not so much a 'protest', more a concerted way of showing your frustration. Free country and all that. And hey, if it makes people think we're small time, I think the management's meek approach to matches is doing that better than we could.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 07:23:57 PM
Well I'm going to see if I can get to this, all depends how the week goes, this is a worthy cause this time, fans have to step up now and deliver there verdict on Alex Mcliesh and the method of football he has put in place, it doesn't wash that we give him next season so he can have is own squad, its clear now we are not going to be spending that kind of money, the only players we will get in are Freebies and players we can get after we have sold and that means IMO, our more prominent players will leave this club.

If we survive this season we will bump along the bottom for most of next and then face the inevitable.

The point surely is this, regardless of survival or not we have witnessed this season some of the most appalling and grueling to watch football ever displayed at Villa Park, we have seen players like Darren Bent become almost totally useless, we have seen the likes of Gabby Agbonlahor become a stop gap player, Bent gets injured, Gabby goes up front, manager releases a rallying call to all his other team mates to support Gabby's cause up front and then sticks the man wide and puts a very rusty aging Heskey up top, McLiesh releases a statement on N'Zogbia saying he expects him to start performing and then drops him.

Even Shay Given who started so well is starting to look dodgy, so, it can't go on, McLiesh must go, and with Faulkner there seems to be a lot of behind the back skulldugarry going on making the whole status of the club seem underhanded and feckless, using players like Gabby to make statements on behalf of the club that the player may not mean.

Lets see the protest, even if it doesn't result in his departure, McLiesh will finally get the message that if he carries on and the club carry on in this vain it will get a lot worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: villajk on March 25, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 25, 2012, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

Same here.


and here
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948]
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 25, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Looking at that protest website.

Quote
Not only do we feel it is time to again protest against the manager but now it is also time to target a certain Mr Paul Faulkner.  The man that has overseen the worst managerial appointment at Villa Park in 25 years.

In pure statistical terms this is correct. McLeish has won 9 games out of the 33, giving a win ratio of 27.27%.

Billy McNeill in 86/87 is the only manager in our entire history to have a worse win ratio.

Of course, beating Chelsea would push his win ratio to 29.41%. Ahead of Tommy Docherty and Tommy Cummings.

He would then be only the 4th worst manager in our history.  ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aston_Villa_F.C._managers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Mate of mine is an Arsenal fan and he actually like the Villa, loves the Arsenal-Villa clashes, said he's never seen a worse Premiership side play so poorly and so crushingly boring to watch and he said loads of Arsenal fans after the game where saying the same thing, not in spite or piss take, genuine shock and surprise.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 25, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Errr... didn't we score against them at Villa Park?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on March 25, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Errr... didn't we score against them at Villa Park?

Yes but it wasn't on target...... ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:46:53 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on March 25, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Errr... didn't we score against them at Villa Park?

Oops, obviously bad info. We're not that bad then
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: caster troy on March 25, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Mate of mine is an Arsenal fan and he actually like the Villa, loves the Arsenal-Villa clashes, said he's never seen a worse Premiership side play so poorly and so crushingly boring to watch and he said loads of Arsenal fans after the game where saying the same thing, not in spite or piss take, genuine shock and surprise.

I had the same verdict from my mate who's a season ticket holder there. The consensus was 'what's happened to Villa?' He was telling me recently to give McLeish a chance but now he can see why I'm so angry.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Mister E on March 25, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 25, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
Looking at that protest website.

Quote
Not only do we feel it is time to again protest against the manager but now it is also time to target a certain Mr Paul Faulkner.  The man that has overseen the worst managerial appointment at Villa Park in 25 years.

In pure statistical terms this is correct. McLeish has won 9 games out of the 33, giving a win ratio of 27.27%.

Billy McNeill in 86/87 is the only manager in our entire history to have a worse win ratio.

Of course, beating Chelsea would push his win ratio to 29.41%. Ahead of Tommy Docherty and Tommy Cummings.

He would then be only the 4th worst manager in our history.  ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aston_Villa_F.C._managers

Winnings important but so is the manner of our winning / not winning. I only say that 'cos DO'L's record of winning is almost passable but he was inane and out of his depth, as is McLueless.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 08:03:02 PM
Quote from: caster troy on March 25, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Villanation on March 25, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
Quote from: ez on March 25, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
I've just read that we didn't have a shot on target against Arsenal in either league game this season.

Mate of mine is an Arsenal fan and he actually like the Villa, loves the Arsenal-Villa clashes, said he's never seen a worse Premiership side play so poorly and so crushingly boring to watch and he said loads of Arsenal fans after the game where saying the same thing, not in spite or piss take, genuine shock and surprise.

I had the same verdict from my mate who's a season ticket holder there. The consensus was 'what's happened to Villa?' He was telling me recently to give McLeish a chance but now he can see why I'm so angry.

That's the big question, we haven't just fallen from grace, we've gone into meltdown.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villa for life on March 26, 2012, 03:27:17 AM
 
We could have gone down last season under Houllier had it not been for the points Kevin Mac got before he arrived and for those Gary Mac got at the end of the season.

Things are not great now, but I'm not buying into the "we would be up there with Newcastle if Houllier were still here!" type theory. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: brian green on March 26, 2012, 07:55:37 AM
You are correct VFL.   Houllier was a bad appointment because he was too old, too unhealthy and still in love with Liverpool.  However, when our board had the chance to buy its way out of that ricket they made an even worse appointment and not only was it a worse appointment it was done with all the skill and style of an ice skater sliding on her arse.   The mistake of Houllier was massively compounded by the appointment of McLeish NOT ONLY because his record was iffy to say the least but because he brought such a mountain of baggage with him.

He represented and still represents two fingers stuck up to the supporters by the owner and the board.   Just like the signing of Heskey.

In short the supporters of the club have been treated with contempt.   What we think and what we feel is never even given a second thought.   We are a crop to be harvested.

The only way out of this awful mess which was triggered by O'Neill and then made infinitely worse by the owner and the board is the inevitable fall off of attendance at Villa Park.   Numbers and money are what our board understand (or think they do).   If we stay up and the inevitable impossibility of attracting quality players to a club which is clearly floundering results in a string of games which stink out Villa Park the resulting diminished income stream will embolden some gopher to report to Randy Lerner that we are losing money at a faster rate that we did with all the big wages on the books.   The Law of Diminishing Returns will go on like a light bulb over the owner's head and Sid and K Mac will be asked to steady the ship and get the fans back.

This will all happen at about Christmas and I can think of no better Christmas present than a text from one or other of my sons saying McLeish Gone.   That is all that is keeping me going now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: brontebilly on March 26, 2012, 07:59:30 AM
Quote from: villa for life on March 26, 2012, 03:27:17 AM

We could have gone down last season under Houllier had it not been for the points Kevin Mac got before he arrived and for those Gary Mac got at the end of the season.

Things are not great now, but I'm not buying into the "we would be up there with Newcastle if Houllier were still here!" type theory.

The only one that believe that theory are those that are still pissed off with MON leaving the club. Houllier apparently had us playing proper football, believed in the academy, proper transfer policies etc. I remember a bumbling bufoon completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players at his disposal and treating the club as a retirement home. But hey different people, different opinions.

Alex McLeish is a dire manager, I dont think anyone will say any different there.

But at the weekend, our bench said it all, we have a seriously average squad these days. No one on the bench has proved anything at adult football. On the pitch we had enough passengers too. Only James Collins and Stephen Ireland to a lesser degree could claim to have held their own. Shay Given was dire in goal, not just the one he threw in but standing cowardly on his line repeatedly from corners. Hutton was no worse or better than usual. Same for Warnock but they are just poor players. Warnock is hopeless on the ball. Cuellar was shocking for their second goal. I think he is worse than Collins and Dunne with the ball at his feet which is saying something. The 4 in midfield were beyond woeful. Herd was totally outclassed. Petrov didnt try and leg and moved like he was in treacle. Gabby was anonymous. Albrighton is nowhere near good enough Im afraid for a decent EPL side. Ivanhoe was comical is a tragic way. Weimann at least showed a bit of energy and heart. Heart was an attribute that most of our players didnt have at the weekend. Ireland hasnt gone much of it either but at least looked like a footballer at times unlike so many unfortunately in a white shirt.

Whoever our manager is next season is going to have to try and completely transform the squad. If we are to play possession football then we cant get away with 2 centre halves who dont want the ball. Cuellar seems to have the better attitude than the other 2 but is probably off. Dunne, though I do rate him as a defender, at his age and wage is probably a god candidate to shift aswell. Warnock has to go. Blackburn if they stay up might hopefully take him back. Hutton is a birdbrain but I guess we are stuck with him. Petrov is finished. Has had a decent season but we need someone better than him. We badly need a player to come in and play wide. I think Ireland and Nzogbia would be good wide but likely that the prat from Cobh would spit the dummy out at that. If he goes as seems likely then we need to sign a proper wide replacement for him. Makoun never got much of a chance but almost certainly will go too. Heskey is definitely off. A number of our former academy players arent good enough to be regulars either. At 21/22 if they arent good enough to be regulars in a team as average as ours, then it is time to consider offers. The likes of Bannan and Albrighton might be best served heading down the Peter Whittingham route. Id love to keep them on as backup but I just dont see it with the pair of them unfortunately. Delfouneso is in the same boat. Delph is almost out of chances too.

Brett Holman is a start, he will give his all for one and be a good professional. But Id only see him replacing Albrighton as backup to Ireland/Nzogbia or whoever our regular widemen will be.

The side needs leadership which is why McLeish will try and get Keane back Id say. We need a raft of new arrivals to replace those gone and those likely to go. We also need a manager to make them into a team too. Alex McLeish certainly isnt that man. Id actually go for Chris Hughton. The likes of Lambert and Rodgers will be aiming for higher than us now. Considering the mess, Hughton inherited at Newcastle and Birmingham, I think he is ideal for us frankly. Has worked with joke boards and got results. He can keep the scouts, backup staff (aside from Peter Grant) and we can be a club again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
Let’s be crystal clear about this. Firstly, no matter what Hughton’s track record is, there is no way on earth that we are going to look across the city and poach that lots manager once more. Our board might not be the sharpest tools in the box, but even they would not be so profoundly stupid as to once more play with fire.
As regards the immediate issue, I continue to be surprised at the amount of people that believe that firstly McLeish is going and that secondly any resultant drop off in attendance numbers will be a wake-up call for the board.

Dealing with the first point, the fact that McLeish has acquired Holman, the fact that he’s been scouting out here and the fact that at every interview he exhibits all the traits of a man who know his job is as secure as a WWII German bunker, should light up a giant neon sign saying ‘Villa manager next season.’
As regards the predicted calamitous drop off in attendance numbers. I have little doubt that significant number of fans will choose to not renew next season and we will play out a number of games to gates of sub-25K, but it’s not as if it’s a new phenomenon at Villa Park and I am convinced that the board have prepared well for this and enough fans will support; as demonstrated in another thread.
What worries me though is the growing gulf between our board and fans. If, as I predict, we go into next season and nothing has altered, the relations between the board and the fans will simply further erode. I, like many others, simply do not have the confidence in the board to make the right decisions anymore and I fear that the poor decisions of the past are now preventing any proactive decisions for the future, other than the need to simply survive.

Of course things could be a hell of a lot worse and given our recent losses, it highlights that we are certainly not in a healthy situation right now. However, I do genuinely believe that many fans would have understood the necessary cost-cutting had the board not appointed McLeish. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I personally feel that I would have accepted the bitter pills a lot more had we chosen a manager with a record for trying to play the game properly, as opposed to a merchant of negative football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 26, 2012, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 26, 2012, 07:59:30 AM
Quote from: villa for life on March 26, 2012, 03:27:17 AM

We could have gone down last season under Houllier had it not been for the points Kevin Mac got before he arrived and for those Gary Mac got at the end of the season.

Things are not great now, but I'm not buying into the "we would be up there with Newcastle if Houllier were still here!" type theory.

The only one that believe that theory are those that are still pissed off with MON leaving the club. Houllier apparently had us playing proper football, believed in the academy, proper transfer policies etc. I remember a bumbling bufoon completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players at his disposal and treating the club as a retirement home. But hey different people, different opinions.

Alex McLeish is a dire manager, I dont think anyone will say any different there.

But at the weekend, our bench said it all, we have a seriously average squad these days. No one on the bench has proved anything at adult football. On the pitch we had enough passengers too. Only James Collins and Stephen Ireland to a lesser degree could claim to have held their own. Shay Given was dire in goal, not just the one he threw in but standing cowardly on his line repeatedly from corners. Hutton was no worse or better than usual. Same for Warnock but they are just poor players. Warnock is hopeless on the ball. Cuellar was shocking for their second goal. I think he is worse than Collins and Dunne with the ball at his feet which is saying something. The 4 in midfield were beyond woeful. Herd was totally outclassed. Petrov didnt try and leg and moved like he was in treacle. Gabby was anonymous. Albrighton is nowhere near good enough Im afraid for a decent EPL side. Ivanhoe was comical is a tragic way. Weimann at least showed a bit of energy and heart. Heart was an attribute that most of our players didnt have at the weekend. Ireland hasnt gone much of it either but at least looked like a footballer at times unlike so many unfortunately in a white shirt.

Whoever our manager is next season is going to have to try and completely transform the squad. If we are to play possession football then we cant get away with 2 centre halves who dont want the ball. Cuellar seems to have the better attitude than the other 2 but is probably off. Dunne, though I do rate him as a defender, at his age and wage is probably a god candidate to shift aswell. Warnock has to go. Blackburn if they stay up might hopefully take him back. Hutton is a birdbrain but I guess we are stuck with him. Petrov is finished. Has had a decent season but we need someone better than him. We badly need a player to come in and play wide. I think Ireland and Nzogbia would be good wide but likely that the prat from Cobh would spit the dummy out at that. If he goes as seems likely then we need to sign a proper wide replacement for him. Makoun never got much of a chance but almost certainly will go too. Heskey is definitely off. A number of our former academy players arent good enough to be regulars either. At 21/22 if they arent good enough to be regulars in a team as average as ours, then it is time to consider offers. The likes of Bannan and Albrighton might be best served heading down the Peter Whittingham route. Id love to keep them on as backup but I just dont see it with the pair of them unfortunately. Delfouneso is in the same boat. Delph is almost out of chances too.

Brett Holman is a start, he will give his all for one and be a good professional. But Id only see him replacing Albrighton as backup to Ireland/Nzogbia or whoever our regular widemen will be.

The side needs leadership which is why McLeish will try and get Keane back Id say. We need a raft of new arrivals to replace those gone and those likely to go. We also need a manager to make them into a team too. Alex McLeish certainly isnt that man. Id actually go for Chris Hughton. The likes of Lambert and Rodgers will be aiming for higher than us now. Considering the mess, Hughton inherited at Newcastle and Birmingham, I think he is ideal for us frankly. Has worked with joke boards and got results. He can keep the scouts, backup staff (aside from Peter Grant) and we can be a club again.


Agree with this synopsis entirely - apart from Hughton (who i think is great) but my choice would be Brenden Rogers - hard fecker who looks not only like he would sort our big time charlies out but plays the game the right way
Another ex Blues  would just send half our support into meltdown
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: jonc73 on March 26, 2012, 08:51:10 AM
No matter what anyone does the same manager will be I charge next year. It's going to happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: villa for life on March 26, 2012, 03:27:17 AM

We could have gone down last season under Houllier had it not been for the points Kevin Mac got before he arrived and for those Gary Mac got at the end of the season.

Things are not great now, but I'm not buying into the "we would be up there with Newcastle if Houllier were still here!" type theory. 

Well yes, if we only had points from 27 games we probably would've gone down but it's impossible to know if we'd have done better or worse in the other 11 if he was there or not.

Quote from: brontebilly
The only one that believe that theory are those that are still pissed off with MON leaving the club. Houllier apparently had us playing proper football, believed in the academy, proper transfer policies etc. I remember a bumbling bufoon completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players at his disposal and treating the club as a retirement home. But hey different people, different opinions.

I'm afraid that's complete crap.  I'm not pissed off with mon leaving anymore, I still blame him for a number of the squad issues we have but who doesn't blame him for leaving us with heskey on 60k a week.

I personally believe Houllier tried to make the squad fitter and better prepared for a pressing high up the pitch approach.  I think some of the players (mainly the younger ones) took very well to this and we started to see some good performances.  Other players showed quite clearly that they're stuck in the past where an hour of five aside followed by a pint and a fag was a decent run out.  Those players who couldn't reach the fitness levels he wanted and/or who disagreed with him over it were marked to be sold.

The whole thing can be summed up pretty easily:

Houllier's solution to the right back issue = Kyle Walker
McLeish's solution to the right back issue = Alan Hutton

Which would you prefer?

I also think McLeish has been given a lot more of a chance by the fans than Houllier was, Houllier made a couple of bad judgement errors in quotes/actions at liverpool and half the fans wanted him gone after he'd been in for about 10games.  He then had a really good January and people started to get onside until the man city thing, after which the fans turned again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 26, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
Let’s be crystal clear about this. Firstly, no matter what Hughton’s track record is, there is no way on earth that we are going to look across the city and poach that lots manager once more. Our board might not be the sharpest tools in the box, but even they would not be so profoundly stupid as to once more play with fire.
As regards the immediate issue, I continue to be surprised at the amount of people that believe that firstly McLeish is going and that secondly any resultant drop off in attendance numbers will be a wake-up call for the board.

Dealing with the first point, the fact that McLeish has acquired Holman, the fact that he’s been scouting out here and the fact that at every interview he exhibits all the traits of a man who know his job is as secure as a WWII German bunker, should light up a giant neon sign saying ‘Villa manager next season.’
As regards the predicted calamitous drop off in attendance numbers. I have little doubt that significant number of fans will choose to not renew next season and we will play out a number of games to gates of sub-25K, but it’s not as if it’s a new phenomenon at Villa Park and I am convinced that the board have prepared well for this and enough fans will support; as demonstrated in another thread.
What worries me though is the growing gulf between our board and fans. If, as I predict, we go into next season and nothing has altered, the relations between the board and the fans will simply further erode. I, like many others, simply do not have the confidence in the board to make the right decisions anymore and I fear that the poor decisions of the past are now preventing any proactive decisions for the future, other than the need to simply survive.

Of course things could be a hell of a lot worse and given our recent losses, it highlights that we are certainly not in a healthy situation right now. However, I do genuinely believe that many fans would have understood the necessary cost-cutting had the board not appointed McLeish. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I personally feel that I would have accepted the bitter pills a lot more had we chosen a manager with a record for trying to play the game properly, as opposed to a merchant of negative football.

Summed up perfectly Neil.
Superb post.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villasjf on March 26, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
So according to paper talk on OS He says things could get worse before they get better, bloody hell.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: villasjf on March 26, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
So according to paper talk on OS He says things could get worse before they get better, bloody hell.

He's got that half right, they will get worse. However they won't get better until he's gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: CJ on March 26, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: villasjf on March 26, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
So according to paper talk on OS He says things could get worse before they get better, bloody hell.

That makes sense. They'll get worse while he's here and better when he's gone
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: brontebilly on March 26, 2012, 12:42:56 PM
I blame MON for having any interest in Heskey. Terrible signing and exactly the wrong type of player we needed at the time. However the board signed off on his outrageous wages. That is where I would place the blame for Heskey's Dick Turpin act at Villa Park over the last few seasons. Beye also.

Houllier may have been a better judge of a right back. But Jean 11 Makoun at 7m for 7 games was another few million blown.




Quote from: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: villa for life on March 26, 2012, 03:27:17 AM

We could have gone down last season under Houllier had it not been for the points Kevin Mac got before he arrived and for those Gary Mac got at the end of the season.

Things are not great now, but I'm not buying into the "we would be up there with Newcastle if Houllier were still here!" type theory. 

Well yes, if we only had points from 27 games we probably would've gone down but it's impossible to know if we'd have done better or worse in the other 11 if he was there or not.

Quote from: brontebilly
The only one that believe that theory are those that are still pissed off with MON leaving the club. Houllier apparently had us playing proper football, believed in the academy, proper transfer policies etc. I remember a bumbling bufoon completely unsuited to getting the best out of the players at his disposal and treating the club as a retirement home. But hey different people, different opinions.

I'm afraid that's complete crap.  I'm not pissed off with mon leaving anymore, I still blame him for a number of the squad issues we have but who doesn't blame him for leaving us with heskey on 60k a week.

I personally believe Houllier tried to make the squad fitter and better prepared for a pressing high up the pitch approach.  I think some of the players (mainly the younger ones) took very well to this and we started to see some good performances.  Other players showed quite clearly that they're stuck in the past where an hour of five aside followed by a pint and a fag was a decent run out.  Those players who couldn't reach the fitness levels he wanted and/or who disagreed with him over it were marked to be sold.

The whole thing can be summed up pretty easily:

Houllier's solution to the right back issue = Kyle Walker
McLeish's solution to the right back issue = Alan Hutton

Which would you prefer?

I also think McLeish has been given a lot more of a chance by the fans than Houllier was, Houllier made a couple of bad judgement errors in quotes/actions at liverpool and half the fans wanted him gone after he'd been in for about 10games.  He then had a really good January and people started to get onside until the man city thing, after which the fans turned again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:13:23 PM
I'd have Houllier over McLeish any day of the week, and I'd have said that last year when we was looking shit and them down the road were winning a trophy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Lee on March 26, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
Let’s be crystal clear about this. Firstly, no matter what Hughton’s track record is, there is no way on earth that we are going to look across the city and poach that lots manager once more. Our board might not be the sharpest tools in the box, but even they would not be so profoundly stupid as to once more play with fire.
As regards the immediate issue, I continue to be surprised at the amount of people that believe that firstly McLeish is going and that secondly any resultant drop off in attendance numbers will be a wake-up call for the board.

Dealing with the first point, the fact that McLeish has acquired Holman, the fact that he’s been scouting out here and the fact that at every interview he exhibits all the traits of a man who know his job is as secure as a WWII German bunker, should light up a giant neon sign saying ‘Villa manager next season.’
As regards the predicted calamitous drop off in attendance numbers. I have little doubt that significant number of fans will choose to not renew next season and we will play out a number of games to gates of sub-25K, but it’s not as if it’s a new phenomenon at Villa Park and I am convinced that the board have prepared well for this and enough fans will support; as demonstrated in another thread.
What worries me though is the growing gulf between our board and fans. If, as I predict, we go into next season and nothing has altered, the relations between the board and the fans will simply further erode. I, like many others, simply do not have the confidence in the board to make the right decisions anymore and I fear that the poor decisions of the past are now preventing any proactive decisions for the future, other than the need to simply survive.

Of course things could be a hell of a lot worse and given our recent losses, it highlights that we are certainly not in a healthy situation right now. However, I do genuinely believe that many fans would have understood the necessary cost-cutting had the board not appointed McLeish. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I personally feel that I would have accepted the bitter pills a lot more had we chosen a manager with a record for trying to play the game properly, as opposed to a merchant of negative football.


Great post Neil, sums it up for me. My only observation is your use of hindsight. This situation was forecast by a lot of people prior to his appointment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Merv on March 26, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Absolutely. When he was appointed, those of us who were aghast with horror pointed out the multiple reasons why. And over the last few months, I'd say every single one of those reasons have been ticked off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Ads on March 26, 2012, 01:35:16 PM
I cannot help but agree with most of that protest statement.

Short of Billy McNeil, McLiesh is likely to go down as one of the poorest managers in our history. He makes O'Leary look half decent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 01:38:47 PM
Quote from: Merv on March 26, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Absolutely. When he was appointed, those of us who were aghast with horror pointed out the multiple reasons why. And over the last few months, I'd say every single one of those reasons have been ticked off.

Depressingly true, I reckon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:39:09 PM
Quote from: Merv on March 26, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Absolutely. When he was appointed, those of us who were aghast with horror pointed out the multiple reasons why. And over the last few months, I'd say every single one of those reasons have been ticked off.
Spot on. I gave him a chance, but he's basicially threw it back in my face.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Pete3206 on March 26, 2012, 01:42:09 PM
It's got to the stage now where there is nothing even remotely constructive or positive that you can say about the current manager or the club's situation. If it's allowed to continue, then relegation is a certainty next season. That's if we get away with this this year.

As for McCleish, he may be out of his depth, but he's no fool. Someone will have advised him to sit tight, grin and bear it, then wait for the pay off.
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Post by: Legion on March 26, 2012, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on March 26, 2012, 01:42:09 PM

As for McCleish, he may be out of his depth, but he's no fool. Someone will have advised him to sit tight, grin and bear it, then wait for the pay off.

Is that a coastguard I can see in the distance?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.
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Post by: Monty on March 26, 2012, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.

If only. When they suspend bets, I'll assume they know something. Until then, I'll assume the status quo.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Ads on March 26, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
He's not going anywhere, be it this season or the next.

7 wins in 29, 2 wins in 2012; its beyond piss poor.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
cant see him hanging on till next year, the writings on the wall and he knows it, we know its just a matter of time,

just by posting he's going nowhere and he's here to stay a million times a day doesnt mean your tempting fate in a positive way to see him gone,

 this is a dead man walking
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.
He's not going anywhere. Randy isn't going to admit this mistake.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.
He's not going anywhere. Randy isn't going to admit this mistake.

again, we are already into the end game, there is no coming back from here, i dont believe he will see Christmas as a Villa manager
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: levico on March 26, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
I think we are also a dead club walking. Never underestimate AMs capacity to get a club relegated. Fulham was just a minor blip for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.
He's not going anywhere. Randy isn't going to admit this mistake.

again, we are already into the end game, there is no coming back from here, i dont believe he will see Christmas as a Villa manager
I bet he is. And it's one bet I'd love to lose.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: glasses on March 26, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
33-1 at some places for relegation if anyone feels like softening the blow. Couldn't do it myself, an Albion fan has just informed me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: VillaAlways on March 26, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
cant see him hanging on till next year, the writings on the wall and he knows it, we know its just a matter of time,

just by posting he's going nowhere and he's here to stay a million times a day doesnt mean your tempting fate in a positive way to see him gone,

 this is a dead man walking
Not a chance They wouldn't be letting him sign players if this was the case
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on March 26, 2012, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: villanic on March 26, 2012, 01:46:33 PM
Just heard on talksport that McLeish is 7/2 favorite to be the next premier league manager to get the sack.
He's not going anywhere. Randy isn't going to admit this mistake.

again, we are already into the end game, there is no coming back from here, i dont believe he will see Christmas as a Villa manager
I bet he is. And it's one bet I'd love to lose.

all the signs to me suggest the manager and players are just going through the motions,
 they all know it wont last, i would imagine most people behind the scenes at BH would not be supprised when the push comes,

my Dad supports Man Utd , whenever they are playing he always says 'this wont be easy' when Man City are playing he will always say 'oh City will win this easy' i think he thinks its some reverse sort of phycology against the powers that be, i get the feeling posting ' Mcliesh is here to stay' is a similar thing.

but he will be going, i have said before the tipping point came and went a long time ago, there is no way he can hang on in my oppinion
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on March 26, 2012, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on March 26, 2012, 02:02:24 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
cant see him hanging on till next year, the writings on the wall and he knows it, we know its just a matter of time,

just by posting he's going nowhere and he's here to stay a million times a day doesnt mean your tempting fate in a positive way to see him gone,

 this is a dead man walking
Not a chance They wouldn't be letting him sign players if this was the case

why, we signed Ireland without a manager
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 26, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
33-1 at some places for relegation if anyone feels like softening the blow. Couldn't do it myself, an Albion fan has just informed me.
Might have a tenner on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: not3bad on March 26, 2012, 02:12:27 PM
I think the Stoke game on Easter Monday will be vital.  Mcleish will get away with abject surrender against Chelski and Manure if Villa get a result against Stoke.  If we don't then by all that's holy he has to be at least in deep sh*t.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 26, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
33-1 at some places for relegation if anyone feels like softening the blow. Couldn't do it myself, an Albion fan has just informed me.
Might have a tenner on.

You bloody heretic... may you burn in the depths of hell with your new found wealth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
I agree with john e here.

I think a lot of people are thinking under the false assumption that Mcleish was put in to avoid relegation and cut the wage bill.  The compelling argument agaisnt that is you don't offer someone a 600% pay rise to clean shop, you offer that if you think they can make big changes and take you forward.  Everything that's happened since has shown that he isn't likely to do that.  I personally think that the board really wanted silverware after getting close with MoN and they let the cup last year blind them to all else.

It's in no ones best interests to let the current situation continue and even from a business point of view it's impossible to ignore the malaise at the club currently.  He might get a couple of months next season but unless we're looking like a new team I can't see the board risking it continuing any longer than that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
I'd love to agree with the Paul, but sadly I think Lerner has become entrenched in his support of Mcleish and won't budge. Unfortunately loyalty to the manager in this case won't provide any benefit, it'll just compound his massive error.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Damo70 on March 26, 2012, 02:45:32 PM
Randy Lerner must know he needs to either sack McLeish or spend big and preferably as early as possible if he wants anything like decent season ticket sales and attendances next season. I said all along that we should stick with him till the end of the season but at the moment it's hard to put any sort of case for him staying beyond that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Lowendbehold on March 26, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
If AM is to go and I don't think he will, it won't be before we are clearly safe from relegation, or relegated and neither should it be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
And then we'll bring in McClaren.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: not3bad on March 26, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
Hurrah!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Stu on March 26, 2012, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 26, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
And then we'll bring in McClaren.

Nah, Joe Kinnear. He's got prem experience. Imagine what he could do with the right level of backing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Irish villain on March 26, 2012, 03:42:22 PM
I hope you're right Paul e.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
Let’s be crystal clear about this. Firstly, no matter what Hughton’s track record is, there is no way on earth that we are going to look across the city and poach that lots manager once more. Our board might not be the sharpest tools in the box, but even they would not be so profoundly stupid as to once more play with fire.
As regards the immediate issue, I continue to be surprised at the amount of people that believe that firstly McLeish is going and that secondly any resultant drop off in attendance numbers will be a wake-up call for the board.

Dealing with the first point, the fact that McLeish has acquired Holman, the fact that he’s been scouting out here and the fact that at every interview he exhibits all the traits of a man who know his job is as secure as a WWII German bunker, should light up a giant neon sign saying ‘Villa manager next season.’
As regards the predicted calamitous drop off in attendance numbers. I have little doubt that significant number of fans will choose to not renew next season and we will play out a number of games to gates of sub-25K, but it’s not as if it’s a new phenomenon at Villa Park and I am convinced that the board have prepared well for this and enough fans will support; as demonstrated in another thread.
What worries me though is the growing gulf between our board and fans. If, as I predict, we go into next season and nothing has altered, the relations between the board and the fans will simply further erode. I, like many others, simply do not have the confidence in the board to make the right decisions anymore and I fear that the poor decisions of the past are now preventing any proactive decisions for the future, other than the need to simply survive.

Of course things could be a hell of a lot worse and given our recent losses, it highlights that we are certainly not in a healthy situation right now. However, I do genuinely believe that many fans would have understood the necessary cost-cutting had the board not appointed McLeish. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I personally feel that I would have accepted the bitter pills a lot more had we chosen a manager with a record for trying to play the game properly, as opposed to a merchant of negative football.


Good post Neil, the only thing you've not calculated in is the money.

We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple.

The big question is are they clever enough to get the right man to replace him. I'd imagine the appointment of Rogers would please most Villa fans, in fact it's a bit of a no brainer. Sometimes you have to do everything to bring in the right man and if that means giving him money to play with, Randy should do it. I don't see how he can not do it any other way.

The point is, no club should approach a new season without hope and expectation from the fans. I think everybody knows, rightly or wrongly, that should McLeish still be here come the new season we'll be a club without hope not to mention a club with a reduced revenue stream. You can keep pruning away at the dead wood but eventually unless you allow for new growth you're just left with a stump.. and a very expensive stump Aston Villa will be to Randy Lerner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: garyshawsknee on March 26, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 02:20:15 PM


It's in no ones best interests to let the current situation continue and even from a business point of view it's impossible to ignore the malaise at the club currently.  He might get a couple of months next season but unless we're looking like a new team I can't see the board risking it continuing any longer than that.

Anyone with any sense would make this decision,but the board have shown with their past two appointments they are clueless.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.

The thing is I think we're all overlooking that Randy has really 'good and interesting' conversations with Mcleish. That's surely a reason to keep him in the job.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.

This was my point.
They crunched the numbers and it would clearly appear that they see it as financially better for him to stay. All the evidence points to a man very secure in his position and building for next season. All the evidence points to a board prepared to accept a large drop off in attendances to enable McLeish to do just that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.

This was my point.
They crunched the numbers and it would clearly appear that they see it as financially better for him to stay. All the evidence points to a man very secure in his position and building for next season. All the evidence points to a board prepared to accept a large drop off in attendances to enable McLeish to do just that.

I think he's secure but I'm not too sure it'll be because they've calculated the financially best option.

I think it's much more to do that Randy finds him "a good conversationalist" and he has that letter of recommendation from Ferguson. He's really that clueless.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:30:38 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.

This was my point.
They crunched the numbers and it would clearly appear that they see it as financially better for him to stay. All the evidence points to a man very secure in his position and building for next season. All the evidence points to a board prepared to accept a large drop off in attendances to enable McLeish to do just that.

I think he's secure but I'm not too sure it'll be because they've calculated the financially best option.

I think it's much more to do that Randy finds him "a good conversationalist" and he has that letter of recommendation from Ferguson. He's really that clueless.

Paulie, I think you perhaps underestimate Faulkner. He's managed to grow our commercial revenue in a time of crisis and so is clearly a man that understands business very well indeed.

The problem is that neither he nor Lerner are football men and they have spectacularly misjudged the best course of action to stem the runaway costs ran up by MON with Lerner's half arsed quality control.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 26, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 26, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
He's not going anywhere, be it this season or the next.

7 wins in 29, 2 wins in 2012; its beyond piss poor.

1st win was from a player that isn't here no more.
2nd win came via a goalkeeping error.

It's just embarrassing now the board must know this over anything, I think he'll be gone in the next month slash 6 weeks and good riddance too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 03:49:49 PM
We're currently a club trying to get our house in financial order and to do that a reduction in attendances is not going to help. By my calculations, it's far more cost effective to sack Alex McLeish and bring somebody else in, a simple case of comparing the values of lost season ticket sales against compensation. The club are serious about reducing the costs and I'm sure they are equally serious about the revenue, so if they do the math, I can't see how they can go on with McLeish. It really is that simple..

I see your point, Mark, but I still don't believe the board will think that way.

He's bought into McLeish big style. The fact he's letting him sign players for next season says he's going to be here.

There's not a prayer he'll be sacked.

I'm not so sure. What alternatives do they have, let's just imagine they decide to financially back him and bring in not just Bosmans but a couple of decent, quality players. Will it change the mood, not to mention bums on seats? I very much doubt it. We might start winning a lot more games, you might hear good reports from those that were at the game but it still won't be enough to get the numbers back that a new manager would bring.

A lot has been said about McCleish, most of it OTT, he's not half as bad as most claim him to be but the truth is, he's also not that good and by 'good' I mean getting the best out of the players he has available. Admittedly he's had to put up with the childish backlash from some of our fans since his appointment but rather than fight back, he's just taken it on the chin. Yes, he has broad shoulders but sadly in modern football, that's just not enough. I'd much prefer him to be angry, to say the monkeys climbing the Villa Park gates are morons and to go out there and prove them wrong. Nothing would make me happier. The problem is he doesn't have the killer punches in him, he's more of a sparring partner than a potential heavyweigtht title fighter. He's not even middle weight. Strong, yes. Experienced, yes. Knows about the game, for sure but not enough to headline, even at Villa Park. Fear is his worst enemy.

With hindsight, if he'd come out fighting and punching from the first game of the season, maybe he could have maybe be line to wear the crown as Villa manager but he started off all cagey against some weak opposition, teams that we should have knocked down in the early rounds. He's now just too slow and heavy, the punches throughout the season have made him a non-contender and his days are numbered. Not even the best coaches can help him at this stage in his career, it's just a question of taking more punches on his last big pay day.

The other reason apart from the financial side that Randy should be considering is how do you properly replace your man half way through a season. The answer to that is you can't, so best move now, in the summer and give somebody else a go. As I said, Rogers would be a very popular choice and it's up to Randy Lerner to go out and convince him that Villa Park is where he'd be best suited to apply his trade. Wait until Christmas and it will be Curbishley or McClaren. Even the anti-McLeish mob delighted at his sacking, won't be queuing up to but half season tickets.

In the end, it's all about the money.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: NeilH on March 26, 2012, 04:35:29 PM
I think you perhaps underestimate Faulkner. He's managed to grow our commercial revenue in a time of crisis and so is clearly a man that understands business very well indeed.

I take your point but the growth is very subjective. I'm not doubting his achievement in doing a very decent job but let's be honest, when the benchmark is the values under Ellis, all we are doing is playing catch up. Now just imagine the commercial revenue with a decent product. Even under MON and finishing 6th every year, despite all the branding investment, the product was at best, ordinary.

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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
A lot has been said about McCleish, most of it OTT, he's not half as bad as most claim him to be but the truth is, he's also not that good and by 'good' I mean getting the best out of the players he has available. Admittedly he's had to put up with the childish backlash from some of our fans since his appointment but rather than fight back, he's just taken it on the chin. Yes, he has broad shoulders but sadly in modern football, that's just not enough. I'd much prefer him to be angry, to say the monkeys climbing the Villa Park gates are morons and to go out there and prove them wrong. Nothing would make me happier. The problem is he doesn't have the killer punches in him, he's more of a sparring partner than a potential heavyweigtht title fighter. He's not even middle weight. Strong, yes. Experienced, yes. Knows about the game, for sure but not enough to headline, even at Villa Park. Fear is his worst enemy.

The thing is, there were a handful of idiots climbing the gates, and 100 or so running around waving placards, but he didn't have to worry about those, there weren't enough of them to be too much of a problem.

There were, though, a massive number of people who were deeply unconvinced by the appointment, and afraid it would result in dour, defensive football and poor results, but at the same time happy to be proven wrong.

Sadly, he's not done anything like enough to win these people over - and these are the ones he needed to reach, rather than the placard botherers.

The most infuriating thing is that there were a few occasions where we got a glimpse of a team playing some good football - whether as a result of his instructions, I don't know, but they did it all the same.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Norwich at home, Arsenal at home (applauded off despite losing), QPR at home (applauded), and Chelsea away.

To my mind, the most crucial matches this season were the bunch which followed those four matches, those were the games where he had a chance to reach out and grab those waiting to be convinced, and win them over.

And what did he do? He resorted to type at the first possible opportunity every time. He threw it away.

It is interesting to see that, now, he is also increasingly taking the "everyone's fault except my own" approach that O'Leary loved to plunder. That is only going to make things worse for him in the long run.

Look at the nonsense he spouted after Saturday about us "expecting to win" there - really, that isn't just totally wrong, it is also border line offensive. If he can't understand or admit that the main problem isn't that we keep losing, or failing to win, it is the way he sends us out to play, then he's never going to build bridges.

Look at Man U at home, for example. When do we ever win that fixture? How many of the 40k Villa fans in the ground that day thought we really had a chance of the three points? Next to none of them, I'd think. But I reckon pretty much every single one of them would have been disgusted at the total lack of ambition we showed that day, and it was far from the only occasion we have done that this year.

Unfortunately, despite all that, I reckon he is safe as houses in his job.
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Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
A lot has been said about McCleish, most of it OTT, he's not half as bad as most claim him to be but the truth is, he's also not that good and by 'good' I mean getting the best out of the players he has available. Admittedly he's had to put up with the childish backlash from some of our fans since his appointment but rather than fight back, he's just taken it on the chin. Yes, he has broad shoulders but sadly in modern football, that's just not enough. I'd much prefer him to be angry, to say the monkeys climbing the Villa Park gates are morons and to go out there and prove them wrong. Nothing would make me happier. The problem is he doesn't have the killer punches in him, he's more of a sparring partner than a potential heavyweigtht title fighter. He's not even middle weight. Strong, yes. Experienced, yes. Knows about the game, for sure but not enough to headline, even at Villa Park. Fear is his worst enemy.

The thing is, there were a handful of idiots climbing the gates, and 100 or so running around waving placards, but he didn't have to worry about those, there weren't enough of them to be too much of a problem.

There were, though, a massive number of people who were deeply unconvinced by the appointment, and afraid it would result in dour, defensive football and poor results, but at the same time happy to be proven wrong.

Sadly, he's not done anything like enough to win these people over - and these are the ones he needed to reach, rather than the placard botherers.

Absolutley spot on and pretty much what i've touched on a few times during the season.

Lerner and Faulkner saw the protest in pre-season as 'anti blues' and the unfortunate thing is that's exactly what is was.

I think the best thing that can happen is for McLeish to part company with the club. Everyone would breathe a huge sigh of relief, even those i suspect who are against the protests. Some things are for the best.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 26, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
Spot on Paulie. The recent tone of his interviews are almost completely reminiscent of the final months at Blues apparently according to 2 season ticket holders from St Andrews, and the football got more and more cautious the deeper into trouble they got, and worryingly the less fight they could muster. All in all, he appears to not be able to instill that fight, desire and confidence you need to go and win games. One of the Blues fans at work said he will be blaming the injury list in the next couple of weeks on Friday. He started this morning. Deflecting anything away from the complete hash he has made of the job is his sole aim at the moment. I guess we would all try it on his wages, although you would hope the man that manages him would have noticed and given him some short term targets or face the boot. I think PF simply likes having Eck around as a mate. It is the only sane explanation I can think of.
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Post by: bertlambshank on March 26, 2012, 06:22:56 PM
Spot on Clampy.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I reckon he is safe as houses in his job.

That may be the case but then it turns upside down the notion that we're trying to get our house in order. It would be a simple case of Randy cutting off his nose to spite his face by sticking with him. Even George Osbourne could see the simple economic outcome of keeping McCleish as manager.
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Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I reckon he is safe as houses in his job.

That may be the case but then it turns upside down the notion that we're trying to get our house in order. It would be a simple case of Randy cutting off his nose to spite his face by sticking with him. Even George Osbourne could see the simple economic outcome of keeping McCleish as manager.

I've had two bets with different people that he'll be gone. The Brett Holman signing made me doubt it for a while but i can't see him being here next season.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 26, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I reckon he is safe as houses in his job.

That may be the case but then it turns upside down the notion that we're trying to get our house in order. It would be a simple case of Randy cutting off his nose to spite his face by sticking with him. Even George Osbourne could see the simple economic outcome of keeping McCleish as manager.

I've had two bets with different people that he'll be gone. The Brett Holman signing made me doubt it for a while but i can't see him being here next season.

To nick Paulie's line, I think your bets are as safe as houses.
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Post by: john e on March 26, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
if things continue as they have been there is just no way he can hang on,
 things arn't getting better, if anything even the AM loyal diehards are struggling to keep a positive attitude, and resort to 'we have to support the team' mantra, which is in my view laudable but not good enough to keep the fella in charge.

i think on the whole the fans at the grounds have been pretty fair with Mcliesh, but it wont last much longer if things stay the same way, because there is just no future in it for anyone concerned.

there are no signs from Randy because he's never here, so we just dont know what he's thinking, but he will know the situation is getting worse as every week goes by, and at some point will have to act, its as simple as that.

i have said before and time will tell but i just cant see him being in charge at VP next year, and will be gone by Christmas
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 26, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 04:47:48 PM
Fear is his worst enemy.
Oh shit.
Are VFC making a comeback?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 26, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 26, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
I think PF simply likes having Eck around as a mate. It is the only sane explanation I can think of.
I think a lot of it was his attitude post 5-1 drubbing, most Managers would be grumpy and unwilling to socialise.
By all accounts McLeish was friendly and personable to Randy and Co.
Doubtless they saw it as strength of character to be like that after such an arse whipping.
'What a guy!' They must have thought.
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Post by: ez on March 26, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
It was a shocking appointment. It will be almost as shocking if he stays another season. McAllister wasn't retained, why should McLeish be.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
there are no signs from Randy because he's never here, so we just dont know what he's thinking, but he will know the situation is getting worse as every week goes by, and at some point will have to act, its as simple as that.

i have said before and time will tell but i just cant see him being in charge at VP next year, and will be gone by Christmas

Randy was in town the week of the Fulham game, just because he doesn't have a fanfare every time he arrives, it's not to say he's never here. Hopefully he'll have seen the feedback from the telesales research to season ticket holders. I can't imagine him not.

As for 'gone by Christmas', you would pray that despite their football experience they'd have learnt a lesson about replacing a manager after Martin O'Scab dropped us in the messy stuff. Why wait until there's nobody to choose from when he has between now and the summer to convince the right man to take charge?

We desperately need to get back on track and the thought of starting a new season with so much negitivity around Villa Park isn't worth thinking about.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
I reckon he is safe as houses in his job.

That may be the case but then it turns upside down the notion that we're trying to get our house in order. It would be a simple case of Randy cutting off his nose to spite his face by sticking with him. Even George Osbourne could see the simple economic outcome of keeping McCleish as manager.

I hope you're right, but can't see it.

If it'd cost us, say, 2m to lose McLeish and 2m to free a manager from elsewhere (and god only knows where he'd start looking this time, he'd probably go for Mick McCarthy), how many season ticket holders would we have to lose for changing the manager to be the cheapest option?

More than we'd actually lose, I reckon, or close enough for a non interested chairman (and a handful of matches attended plus a spending freeze suggests that is what he is) to take the course of least hassle.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:45:41 PM
I'll have 20 quid with you he's here for the start of next season if you fancy, Mark?
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Post by: brian green on March 26, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
One thing you will be able to bank on is the inability of our board to act proactively.
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Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 07:49:58 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: john e on March 26, 2012, 06:39:12 PM
there are no signs from Randy because he's never here, so we just dont know what he's thinking, but he will know the situation is getting worse as every week goes by, and at some point will have to act, its as simple as that.

i have said before and time will tell but i just cant see him being in charge at VP next year, and will be gone by Christmas

Randy was in town the week of the Fulham game, just because he doesn't have a fanfare every time he arrives, it's not to say he's never here. Hopefully he'll have seen the feedback from the telesales research to season ticket holders. I can't imagine him not.

As for 'gone by Christmas', you would pray that despite their football experience they'd have learnt a lesson about replacing a manager after Martin O'Scab dropped us in the messy stuff. Why wait until there's nobody to choose from when he has between now and the summer to convince the right man to take charge?

We desperately need to get back on track and the thought of starting a new season with so much negitivity around Villa Park isn't worth thinking about.

The bold bit is key for me.They're not football people but Lerner and Faulkner are both experienced enough in business to realise that the working atmosphere is a very important aspect to achieving goals in any environment.  Currently the atmosphere is terrible, at best the fans are resigned to their lot, at worst they're baying for blood.  The morale in the team has got to be awful right now.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:45:41 PM
I'll have 20 quid with you he's here for the start of next season if you fancy, Mark?

You do realise how crap you are at betting, don't you?
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Post by: SashasGrandad on March 26, 2012, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on March 26, 2012, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 26, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
I think PF simply likes having Eck around as a mate. It is the only sane explanation I can think of.
I think a lot of it was his attitude post 5-1 drubbing, most Managers would be grumpy and unwilling to socialise.
By all accounts McLeish was friendly and personable to Randy and Co.
Doubtless they saw it as strength of character to be like that after such an arse whipping.
'What a guy!' They must have thought.

I think I'd prefer someone who was a miserable bastard after a defeat. It might just show they cared. If we ever lost to them by a big margin I would expect the manager to be totally aware of what he had done and if he was seen being friendly with the opposition he should be hung by his wotsits from the Holte End roof.

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Post by: ozzjim on March 26, 2012, 08:41:59 PM
I would take hoddle at the moment! Or Curbishley... free and at least average, which is better than totally shit.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
Well I guess we can right off Brendan Rodgers as he signed a three and a half year contract at Swansea earlier this season.

Curbishley, Ozzjim? You really do need help, fella.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 26, 2012, 09:13:02 PM
I need help, yes. But then I see accepting the like of Curbishley as a sign of how demoralized they have made me!
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Post by: villajk on March 26, 2012, 09:23:03 PM
Ranieri has been sacked............
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Post by: villadelph on March 26, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
Well I guess we can right off Brendan Rodgers as he signed a three and a half year contract at Swansea earlier this season.

Curbishley, Ozzjim? You really do need help, fella.

I dont care who it is. It could be my little sister, she could guess a better starting XI and certainly admit we got our ass kicked by Arsenal. At least she's not delusional. When you're at rock bottom you can only go up.
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Post by: Fergal on March 26, 2012, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 26, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
Well I guess we can right off Brendan Rodgers as he signed a three and a half year contract at Swansea earlier this season.

Curbishley, Ozzjim? You really do need help, fella.

I dont care who it is. It could be my little sister, she could guess a better starting XI and certainly admit we got our ass kicked by Arsenal. At least she's not delusional. When you're at rock bottom you can only go up.
We are not rock bottom and we can go down.  We need shut of this fool before he takes us down.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
Please god not Curbishley. His football's no better and he makes Mcleish look charismatic. Everytime he used to be interviewed he looked like he hated being a football manager. Guaranteed to suck the little remaining enthusiasm out of the fans that guy.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:45:41 PM
I'll have 20 quid with you he's here for the start of next season if you fancy, Mark?

You do realise how crap you are at betting, don't you?

It's a money where mouth is gesture.

He'll be our manager next season.
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Post by: brian green on March 26, 2012, 09:39:42 PM
No brainer really.   Lerner and Faulkner will not act while the fans are so crushed and down.      They will act when the fans' anger boils over which I estimate will be in or around November of this year.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2012, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:45:41 PM
I'll have 20 quid with you he's here for the start of next season if you fancy, Mark?

You do realise how crap you are at betting, don't you?

It's a money where mouth is gesture.

He'll be our manager next season.

Well, if you insist. I'll donate my winnings to my beer fund next time I'm over.

I'm with Brian on this one, the board will react only when the fans get angry, the only difference is I don't think the patience will last the until the end of the season. Add to that the poor uptake on season ticket sales, it really is a no brainer.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 09:58:21 PM
He'll stay unless we look like going down. He was brought in to keep us up while they finish rationalisation/asset stripping. Going down would wreck those plans so i think Lerner would pull the plug - i just can't see it happening while we're in the sort of league postion we are currently. One of the reasons why mcliesh probably keeps mentioning about not competing with elite clubs etc., is he has a fuller picture of what budget he has to work with this summer and knows its gonna get a lot worse
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Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2012, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 09:47:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on March 26, 2012, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2012, 07:45:41 PM
I'll have 20 quid with you he's here for the start of next season if you fancy, Mark?

You do realise how crap you are at betting, don't you?

It's a money where mouth is gesture.

He'll be our manager next season.

Well, if you insist. I'll donate my winnings to my beer fund next time I'm over.

I'm with Brian on this one, the board will react only when the fans get angry, the only difference is I don't think the patience will last the until the end of the season. Add to that the poor uptake on season ticket sales, it really is a no brainer.

Agreed, I just can't see Faulkner and Lerner being naive enough to carry on with things if it carries on as is.  I genuinely think that we need another win in the next 2-3 games for him to make it to the end of the season.  I just can't accept the board being so stupid as to think it's a good idea to carry on with things if there's no improvement from here.
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Post by: London Villan on March 26, 2012, 10:01:26 PM
Our managerial movements over the past 18months have cost the club the best part of £15m... there is no way we can afford to sack him and his team...
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Post by: Des Little on March 26, 2012, 10:08:14 PM
Eck will be here next season, no matter what happens (said with a heavy heart).
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
15m is a drop in the ocean to what they're looking to save. all that bollocks about the salaries was just a smokescreen. The likes of heskey, Petrov and co will bugger off in the summer and they won't be replaced by any more than low or free transfer players. The only chance of someone coming in on a decent fee will be if Bent is sold which i reckon is odds on. Just look at the team numbers. Can you EVER remember a time in the last 25 years where our total experienced reserves were a keeper,  a centre half, and a striker? Utter madness.
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Post by: TheSandman on March 26, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
Please god not Curbishley. His football's no better and he makes Mcleish look charismatic. Everytime he used to be interviewed he looked like he hated being a football manager. Guaranteed to suck the little remaining enthusiasm out of the fans that guy.

Agreed. Despise him. He was apparently firmly in the frame when we appointed Houllier. *Shudder*

If we sack McLeish, as bad as he has been, I'd prefer us not to cling onto the first doomed lifeboat off the ship. Rather, I want us to appoint the right man for Aston Villa.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
'Difficult job' is how Gary Neville describes what McLeish has to deal with.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 26, 2012, 10:47:15 PM
How much, Mark? I will take some action on Paulie's bet.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
'Difficult job' is how Gary Neville describes what McLeish has to deal with.


a talent for understatment that man. Its a hell of a job for anyone i reckon. If we were 6 points higher the knives would still be out because the decline has been too rapid and it doesn't seem that long ago we were half decent, but really that team there's nothing left of it... just the old men, the mistakes and the kids
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Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
'Difficult job' is how Gary Neville describes what McLeish has to deal with.


a talent for understatment that man. Its a hell of a job for anyone i reckon. If we were 6 points higher the knives would still be out because the decline has been too rapid and it doesn't seem that long ago we were half decent, but really that team there's nothing left of it... just the old men, the mistakes and the kids

So do you think he's got the best out the players we have then?

Do you think relying on a loanee with a terrible injury record as our main man in midfield and loaning out a guy who'd played 8 games was sensible management?

Do you think blowing his entire budget on a winger and then having no idea how to use him was good management?

Do you think every side above us in the league has a better team/squad than we have?

If you can honestly say yes to all of those then I'll accept that's he's infallible and has had a really difficult job, if not then it's all a smoke screen to cover poor performance, mostly to allow you to focus the blame squarely on the owner for not being rich enough to carry on putting money in after the £200m that has already been spent.

Slagging Lerner for making mistakes in judgement is fine, slagging him over financing is uncalled for in my opinion.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2012, 02:57:56 AM
I'm with Paulie on this one. To sack him flies in the face of the bigger objective of cost stabilisation. Unless of course the alternative is that keeping him would cost the club more. That is an interesting question. Does the current negative feeling cost more than the overall plan, and in essence does it derail it?
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Post by: villadelph on March 27, 2012, 03:03:40 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 27, 2012, 02:57:56 AM
I'm with Paulie on this one. To sack him flies in the face of the bigger objective of cost stabilisation. Unless of course the alternative is that keeping him would cost the club more. That is an interesting question. Does the current negative feeling cost more than the overall plan, and in essence does it derail it?

You mention our cost-cutting objective but don't mention that we paid for this guy. In adopting a new economical strategy we completely disregarded it for arguably the most important position in the club.
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Post by: Jimbo on March 27, 2012, 03:56:33 AM
Things are going to have to get very desperate or very hostile for Randy to sack McLeish.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2012, 04:16:31 AM
Quote from: villadelph on March 27, 2012, 03:03:40 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 27, 2012, 02:57:56 AM
I'm with Paulie on this one. To sack him flies in the face of the bigger objective of cost stabilisation. Unless of course the alternative is that keeping him would cost the club more. That is an interesting question. Does the current negative feeling cost more than the overall plan, and in essence does it derail it?

You mention our cost-cutting objective but don't mention that we paid for this guy. In adopting a new economical strategy we completely disregarded it for arguably the most important position in the club.

In hiring him it would have taken the cost cutting objective in consideration. The risk was obviously if he didn't work out outside of the club's criteria for hiring him. I can't imagine that everyone at the club is unified in their thoughts about this heading into the summer. If the rest of the season is utterly bollocks, then it will have to be raised as a genuine question as to whether to keep him or not. Whether to invest in his transfer targets knowing the following could be like this one with all of the dark clouds that come with it. It might be considered financial suicide to keep the status quo.
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Post by: bertlambshank on March 27, 2012, 05:39:40 AM
Down down,deeper on down.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 27, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
He will be here next season. I have no doubt about that.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 27, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
'Difficult job' is how Gary Neville describes what McLeish has to deal with.


a talent for understatment that man. Its a hell of a job for anyone i reckon. If we were 6 points higher the knives would still be out because the decline has been too rapid and it doesn't seem that long ago we were half decent, but really that team there's nothing left of it... just the old men, the mistakes and the kids

So do you think he's got the best out the players we have then?

this team at its best is mid-table, probably 10th, so we should be a few points higher. Performance wise has been poor but again how many mid-table teams play great football regulary?

Do you think relying on a loanee with a terrible injury record as our main man in midfield and loaning out a guy who'd played 8 games was sensible management?

Would have kept Makoun and wouldn't have bought in Jenas, but there's plenty on here who think Makoun wasn't good enough

Do you think blowing his entire budget on a winger and then having no idea how to use him was good management?

Probably not.the guy is highly overrated in my book, and we got screwed paying anything like what we did. I don't think its a case of not using him properly, more one of him not being very good. But all managers make transfer mistakes, trouble with us if mcleish makes a balls-up we have to play the rubbish he's bought, MON just stuck them in the reserves and hoped we'd forget about them

Do you think every side above us in the league has a better team/squad than we have?

Most of them yes, in terms of attitude and a good few below us. Technically we're probably mid-table as I said earlier. Squad-depth wise we're probably not far off worse in the league

If you can honestly say yes to all of those then I'll accept that's he's infallible and has had a really difficult job, if not then it's all a smoke screen to cover poor performance, mostly to allow you to focus the blame squarely on the owner for not being rich enough to carry on putting money in after the £200m that has already been spent.

Slagging Lerner for making mistakes in judgement is fine, slagging him over financing is uncalled for in my opinion.

i think we have every right to slag him off for financing if its now affecting the team adversely - no-one on here is asking for him to go on another spending spree, just to provide the basics like a reserve team and a transfer budget where at least we get to spend what we raise even if there's no new money. Yes he put lot of money in but but no-one asked him to buy us. Thats the deal, he gets the prestige of owning a big club, he provides the money to run it as a big club. If thats too much to ask he should sod off
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Post by: john e on March 27, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 27, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
He will be here next season. I have no doubt about that.


i have said he will have to go,
 i wouldnt be supprised if he went before next season but certainly in my view before Christmas which i suppose is only 9 months off.
if he does start next season and things carry on in a downward fashion as most fans expect, there is no way he will be able to hang on,

 i still think he'l struggle to see this season out to be honest, but given the manner in which he came and Randy forking out the money to get him it might have given him a bit of leway, but it wont last till the end of the year, something will have to give
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Post by: Lowendbehold on March 27, 2012, 09:02:07 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 27, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
He will be here next season. I have no doubt about that.

You are right I think.

If we get in new players, Bent & Delph are fit, the kids will be a year older and importantly certain old guard players move on and so does N'Zogbia who I think is trouble; we might start winning some games.  If we do, much but not all of what is being said here will go away.

A few ifs there, but not impossible.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 27, 2012, 09:06:50 AM
Until Lerner has the opportunity to let McLeish buy new players, what is the point of harping on about it? We are in the shit and we know it but the staeting eleven will soon pick itself due to availability. We are getting desperate when we blame N'Zogbia's injury for our problems. He had half a season where he was fit and did very little.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 27, 2012, 09:08:08 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 27, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 26, 2012, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 26, 2012, 10:40:06 PM
'Difficult job' is how Gary Neville describes what McLeish has to deal with.


a talent for understatment that man. Its a hell of a job for anyone i reckon. If we were 6 points higher the knives would still be out because the decline has been too rapid and it doesn't seem that long ago we were half decent, but really that team there's nothing left of it... just the old men, the mistakes and the kids

So do you think he's got the best out the players we have then?

this team at its best is mid-table, probably 10th, so we should be a few points higher. Performance wise has been poor but again how many mid-table teams play great football regulary?

Do you think relying on a loanee with a terrible injury record as our main man in midfield and loaning out a guy who'd played 8 games was sensible management?

Would have kept Makoun and wouldn't have bought in Jenas, but there's plenty on here who think Makoun wasn't good enough

Do you think blowing his entire budget on a winger and then having no idea how to use him was good management?

Probably not.the guy is highly overrated in my book, and we got screwed paying anything like what we did. I don't think its a case of not using him properly, more one of him not being very good. But all managers make transfer mistakes, trouble with us if mcleish makes a balls-up we have to play the rubbish he's bought, MON just stuck them in the reserves and hoped we'd forget about them

Do you think every side above us in the league has a better team/squad than we have?

Most of them yes, in terms of attitude and a good few below us. Technically we're probably mid-table as I said earlier. Squad-depth wise we're probably not far off worse in the league

If you can honestly say yes to all of those then I'll accept that's he's infallible and has had a really difficult job, if not then it's all a smoke screen to cover poor performance, mostly to allow you to focus the blame squarely on the owner for not being rich enough to carry on putting money in after the £200m that has already been spent.

Slagging Lerner for making mistakes in judgement is fine, slagging him over financing is uncalled for in my opinion.

i think we have every right to slag him off for financing if its now affecting the team adversely - no-one on here is asking for him to go on another spending spree, just to provide the basics like a reserve team and a transfer budget where at least we get to spend what we raise even if there's no new money. Yes he put lot of money in but but no-one asked him to buy us. Thats the deal, he gets the prestige of owning a big club, he provides the money to run it as a big club. If thats too much to ask he should sod off

That's a bold statement.
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Post by: Lowendbehold on March 27, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Quote from: john e on March 27, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 27, 2012, 08:29:00 AM
He will be here next season. I have no doubt about that.


i have said he will have to go,
 i wouldnt be supprised if he went before next season but certainly in my view before Christmas which i suppose is only 9 months off.
if he does start next season and things carry on in a downward fashion as most fans expect, there is no way he will be able to hang on,

 i still think he'l struggle to see this season out to be honest, but given the manner in which he came and Randy forking out the money to get him it might have given him a bit of leway, but it wont last till the end of the year, something will have to give

If he's here next season and come November we are top 6 he will stay.  If we are bottom 4 or 5 the demand for him to go will be defining and irresistible. It's the bit in-between that's worrying.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
Its not even money Lerner's spent really. Its all loans he can claim back from the club if he wants to and judging  from the fee's going out thats exactly what he's doing
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 27, 2012, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
Its not even money Lerner's spent really. Its all loans he can claim back from the club if he wants to and judging  from the fee's going out thats exactly what he's doing
That is one bit that I have never been easy with.
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Post by: andrew08 on March 27, 2012, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
Its not even money Lerner's spent really. Its all loans he can claim back from the club if he wants to and judging  from the fee's going out thats exactly what he's doing

Thats slightly harsh. Of course it's all loans, yes we'd be in the shite if he wanted it back but he'd be even more so as his investment would be worth jack. Those loans will only ever be repaid if he sells and even then possibly not.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 09:40:12 AM
Quote from: andrew08 on March 27, 2012, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
Its not even money Lerner's spent really. Its all loans he can claim back from the club if he wants to and judging  from the fee's going out thats exactly what he's doing

Thats slightly harsh. Of course it's all loans, yes we'd be in the shite if he wanted it back but he'd be even more so as his investment would be worth jack. Those loans will only ever be repaid if he sells and even then possibly not.


prety sure they have actual dates they have to be paid back by. its not like ambramovich where its basically a free gift with no repayment date. and if they didn't then why have the club paid some of it back in the accounts?
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Post by: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
The terms of his trust fund will determine when the loans have to be repaid but then its just how he's chosen to finance Villa. It's unreasonable to expect Villa to be financed without any regard to losses. Not from Lerner anyway. He's rich but not a bottomless pit.

I'm critical of his decisions in terms of appointments and giving MON carte blanche with finances but not his financial commitment. Nor do I think there's anything sinister in wanting Villa to stop bleeding money beyond and semblance of sustainability.
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Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
The terms of his trust fund will determine when the loans have to be repaid but then its just how he's chosen to finance Villa. It's unreasonable to expect Villa to be financed without any regard to losses. Not from Lerner anyway. He's rich but not a bottomless pit.

I'm critical of his decisions in terms of appointments and giving MON carte blanche with finances but not his financial commitment. Nor do I think there's anything sinister in wanting Villa to stop bleeding money beyond and semblance of sustainability.

Amen
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Post by: Risso on March 27, 2012, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 09:47:32 AM
The terms of his trust fund will determine when the loans have to be repaid but then its just how he's chosen to finance Villa. It's unreasonable to expect Villa to be financed without any regard to losses. Not from Lerner anyway. He's rich but not a bottomless pit.


Trusts by their very nature are secretive, and you're right in that they're just a standard vehicle for wealthy people to shelter their funds.  All the loans had set repayment dates, but these seem to have been pushed back.
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Post by: KevinGage on March 27, 2012, 01:14:38 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 25, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on March 25, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 25, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
I think I was in a minority of actually liking him and thinking he would do well for us in the future.

we were definitely in the minority. His record after January was very respectable indeed. I still think we'd have lost Downing, and Young was going either way, but the types of replacements would have been creative and imaginative.

I'm in this minority as well. I think he got harsh treatment for some of the gaffs he did, and his vision for the club was clear, modern and refreshingly ruthless (I liked the way he dealt with the unjustifiably big egos in the defence). How far we've regressed since has been gut-wrenching.

I'll be honest and admit that I wanted him gone after the Liverpool fiasco and certainly after throwing the cup game against Citeh - a side who had faced something like 7 games in 21 days and could only squeeze past the mighty Notts County 1-0 the following Sunday.

We shouldn't have expected a victory as of right just by going there with a full strength side, of course.  But we might have at least squeezed a replay and the attritional nature of their run in would have stacked the odds even further in our favour.  To see a Villa purposely piss away an FA Cup QF opportunity for the glory of staying in the league is something I never thought I'd live to see.  And in that sense, and in his general consultant-like distant rhetoric, he never truly 'got' the club.

Against that, he (or maybe it was Gary Mac) spotted the potential of a player like Kyle Walker, who was behind Corluka and Hutton (?!)  in the pecking order at Tottingham, and had only played lower league football until joining us, got Downing looking like one of the best/ most effective players in the league and fixed our shortcomings up top less than three months into the job with the purchase of Bent.  Delph also looked like he was responding to an extended run in the side at the tail end of the season - though again that might have been more Gary Mac's influence.

By the end of the campaign I think he had earned the right to continue with the project, and the cut price signings we were linked with/ set to sign last summer (Cabaye, Saphic, Banega and Amalfitano) have -for the most part- done well at the clubs they joined after GH's departure. So it looks like he at least had his finger on the pulse in that regard.  If the prospect of him (or Gary Mac) remaining had led to more tears from Dunne, Collins and the other shit professionals on the books, that would just have been a bonus. Realistically, they were probably on their way.

We can't pretend he was popular for the majority of his time with us, but - credit to the board- they managed to find a bloke even more unpopular/ unsuitable.   How do they trump that if McLeish does depart in the next few months?  Well Prem experience is the main consideration, of course.  And it helps if the guy has also managed a big club but can operate on a budget.   Step forward Brian Horton.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 27, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
With McLeish staying (and I think Bent going) we're going to be even closer to that bottom 3 next season. I hate this.
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Post by: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 01:31:03 PM
I just hope Randy and/or Faulkner never make a footballing decision at this club again, sack McLeish and appoint somebody who knows the game to get some sort of long term plan together with a view to appointing the right manager as part of a committment to playing attacking entertaining football from now on.

But I might as well hope Rose McGowan gives me double tops in a layby on the M42.
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Post by: MarkM on March 27, 2012, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on March 27, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
With McLeish staying (and I think Bent going) we're going to be even closer to that bottom 3 next season. I hate this.

I agree, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. McL is using the 'Transistion' word to describe Villa. I would say thats already happened, we have transitioned from a top six to a bottom six side!

McL is talking about making summer signings so he can have strength in depth. I can't see anyone with any real class wanting to join us [or play for McL for that matter] so we will get the type of players that none of the major teams want. Further condeming us to more seasons of 'Transition'

I think he is managing at a level above his natural ability and also managing a club that has certain expectations and hopes in terms of the way we play, which again is not to his key management skills.

He is just another in the mold of Warnock, McCarthy and the like... OK at one level but don't have the tactical ability to manage in the higher levels.

The whole club needs a shake up and above all it needs direction from the Owner, an owner that has more than what appears to be a passing interest in the club.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2012, 01:40:40 PM
I heartily agree, Mark.
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Post by: Risso on March 27, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Unfortunately, even with the recent cost cutting, I don't think we'll be in a poistion to spend any decent money for a good couple of years.  Other than Bent, we're also short of saleable assets, as most of the valuable family silver has been flogged already.  I wouldn't mind a new low cost, youth-based approach as a way forward if we had a manager who played good football, improved young players and spotted the odd bargain to augment the team now and again.  But McLeish certainly isn't that sort of manager, and so we have a failing team and a poor manager.  The end results have therefore unsurprisingly been disappointing.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 27, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
A lowish cost youth based approach with anyone over 25 being a bosman has long been the way forward, as they are at least saleable and of every 3-4 signed if scouted well there should be a decent profit in them.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 27, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
A lowish cost youth based approach with anyone over 25 being a bosman has long been the way forward, as they are at least saleable and of every 3-4 signed if scouted well there should be a decent profit in them.

Isn't that a bit close to the modus operandi of Wigan?
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Post by: MarkM on March 27, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 27, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
A lowish cost youth based approach with anyone over 25 being a bosman has long been the way forward, as they are at least saleable and of every 3-4 signed if scouted well there should be a decent profit in them.

Isn't that a bit close to the modus operandi of Wigan?

Sadly thats where we are headed!
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Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: MarkM on March 27, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 27, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
A lowish cost youth based approach with anyone over 25 being a bosman has long been the way forward, as they are at least saleable and of every 3-4 signed if scouted well there should be a decent profit in them.

Isn't that a bit close to the modus operandi of Wigan?

Sadly thats where we are headed!

When did a great young prospect come through the wigan academy (i.e. a guy who's gone on to be an international in a top national side).

The Bosmans aprt might be how they're operating but surely the aspiration on the youth side has to be more along the arsenal lines.  Just a shame Arsenal have a guy renowned for doing just that, we have a fearful play for the draw merchant with no track record of bringing youth through successfully.  That's the bit that really frightens me about the fact he is here, we need to start relying on our academy more but I just don't trust McLeish to do that successfully.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 27, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 26, 2012, 10:47:15 PM
How much, Mark? I will take some action on Paulie's bet.

I'm sure you would based on current statements and the like you hear coming out of Villa Park. I'm sure today, Randy has absolutely no thought of sacking Alex but as you know, things can change very quickly in football.

Randy will find himself in a very tricky position where he knows that by keeping his current manager he's almost certainly going to lose money from reduced revenue, something that throws a spanner in the works of sorting out the club's finances. At the same time he's made an agreement with a manager and given his word that come the summer he'll support him in the transfer market. Add to that, if things go badly in the new season and let's say by Christmas he needs to find a new manager, what are the chances of finding a decent man? You would imagine his recent experience on that score is something he's learned from.

My guess is that Randy will find himself having to choose what's best for the Club (company) and the value of his word. I think very reluctantly he'll choose the Club. I'm expecting him to go out of his way to support Alex McCleish until the end of the season but I'm convinced nothing will be allowed to derail his plans to financially stabilise the club. What business man would?

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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 27, 2012, 02:37:25 PM
The crazy thing is, despite the need for stability, if he did make that move, it would be supported by everyone. And I speak as one willing to give the manager the opportunity to bring in his own players. We all simply care about the club, and if McLeish's removal aids that then that's the right course of action. I agree, that Randy will have to weigh keeping him vs getting rid irrespective of what promises he may have made to McLeish.
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Post by: TheSandman on March 27, 2012, 02:41:10 PM
I'm with the Brian Green/Paulie Walnuts analysis. He'll last until at least Christmas next season. Probably longer.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 27, 2012, 02:41:38 PM
Mcleish going is important to move us forward. We can follow the approach of trying to make astute signings from the continent, but with a manager who is more adept and more attractive to potential players.
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Post by: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
If we have a consistent approach to the type of players we should be looking at then the manager isnt so important in terms of being "his" players. That way if a manager doesn't work out we can get another in to play the way we want and he can use the players for the previous managers term without too much grief.

At the moment we're staggering from one confused philosophy to another. There is no consistency.
And if the MO really is just to play the kids coming through and supplement here and there (which is fine) then in the absence of a top manager and footballing director coming in, put Sid and KMac in charge. At least they know the players and won't send the team out with such negativity. Who knows, it might even be entertaining again.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 27, 2012, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 27, 2012, 02:41:38 PM
Mcleish going is important to move us forward. We can follow the approach of trying to make astute signings from the continent, but with a manager who is more adept and more attractive to potential players.

You're right.

We can all debate about whether AMc is the right or wrong man for the job but I think we'd all agree that he is lacking in the looks department.  Whether that has any impact on potential signings I'm not so sure.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 27, 2012, 04:20:16 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on March 27, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
If we have a consistent approach to the type of players we should be looking at then the manager isnt so important in terms of being "his" players. That way if a manager doesn't work out we can get another in to play the way we want and he can use the players for the previous managers term without too much grief.

At the moment we're staggering from one confused philosophy to another. There is no consistency.
And if the MO really is just to play the kids coming through and supplement here and there (which is fine) then in the absence of a top manager and footballing director coming in, put Sid and KMac in charge. At least they know the players and won't send the team out with such negativity. Who knows, it might even be entertaining again.

Nothing wrong with that, other than neither Sid or K-Mac striker me as premiership manager types.  Here the blueprint I'd like to see:-
1.  DOF type role to oversee scouting and player recruitment.  Would address the 'football experience' on the board.  Houlklier would have been ideal for this.
2.  Let K-Mac and Sid do what they're good at and coach, providing consistency from youth through to first team level.
3.  Appoint a manager with good tactical and motivational abilities.  He'll be the figurehead/mouthpiece, with a strong support structure behind him, so if/when he leaves the club has no great hole to fill as the coaching and scouting continue.  Maybe someone like Martin Laursen would fit this?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Vanilla on March 27, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
AVFC and the fans are stuck in a rut at the moment. That's why the opinions of the manager keep fluctuating wildly.

One minute we scrape a win against Fulham and sign an Australian, and the opinions are 'the team has has good fighting spirit; quality signings like this with the kids coming through and we can move forward etc etc.'

The next we are absolutely dire against Arsenal, and the opinions change to 'This ain't the man to take us forward; we are going backwards; the new breed are abject; free signings will get us nowhere etc etc.' 

It's a 'catch 22' situation, a manager has to have a couple seasons to put his stamp on the team, but in Villa's case, by then it could be too late. 
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Post by: jembob on March 27, 2012, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on March 27, 2012, 04:29:44 PM
AVFC and the fans are stuck in a rut at the moment. That's why the opinions of the manager keep fluctuating wildly.

One minute we scrape a win against Fulham and sign an Australian, and the opinions are 'the team has has good fighting spirit; quality signings like this with the kids coming through and we can move forward etc etc.'

The next we are absolutely dire against Arsenal, and the opinions change to 'This ain't the man to take us forward; we are going backwards; the new breed are abject; free signings will get us nowhere etc etc.' 

It's a 'catch 22' situation, a manager has to have a couple seasons to put his stamp on the team, but in Villa's case, by then it could be too late. 

I can't agree that opinions on the manager fluctuate - it's the response the the level of performance and ineptitude for particular games that fluctuate. After this time, I can't believe that there is more than a small percentage of Villa fans that don't want to see the back of Mcleish and the only reason that he has any support seems to be that people don't have a readily available, decent alternative.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 27, 2012, 07:23:53 PM
There is not 1 villa fan that I know that want him in charge this weekend, let alone next season. Even most Blues fans I know, while finding it funny, say if they were us they would want him out as soon as possible.

Paulie - I think more a Spurs approach with younger signings, spend decent money but not masses on youngish players.
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Post by: Villanation on March 27, 2012, 07:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on March 27, 2012, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 27, 2012, 02:41:38 PM
Mcleish going is important to move us forward. We can follow the approach of trying to make astute signings from the continent, but with a manager who is more adept and more attractive to potential players.

You're right.

We can all debate about whether AMc is the right or wrong man for the job but I think we'd all agree that he is lacking in the looks department.  Whether that has any impact on potential signings I'm not so sure.

Well, seriously, would you get in the shower with him after a steamy training session, Ok if your Gabby, but poor old Warnock must have a rectum the size of the channel tunnel by now, so remember this guys next time you start knocking him for getting nutmegged once to often.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
all very well going with youth players and bringing in cheap players to supplement them, but to do it your youth players have to be 'good'. i think the jury's out on all of them long term currently and if they turn out to be not good enough, we're a shoe-in for relegation. Not much of a Plan B really.
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Post by: TonyD on March 27, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
Apart from the few obvious exceptions most PL managers are charlatans of the highest order that seem to grow rich in the relentless pursuit of failure and mediocrity.  AM is living proof. Your average fan would have done better this season with the squad we have.
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Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: TonyD on March 27, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
Apart from the few obvious exceptions most PL managers are charlatans of the highest order that seem to grow rich in the relentless pursuit of failure and mediocrity.  AM is living proof. Your average fan would have done better this season with the squad we have.

I'm afraid I have to agree.
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Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
all very well going with youth players and bringing in cheap players to supplement them, but to do it your youth players have to be 'good'. i think the jury's out on all of them long term currently and if they turn out to be not good enough, we're a shoe-in for relegation. Not much of a Plan B really.

It's difficult to judge the kids fairly when they come through a youth and reserve system which relies on one style of football and are being asked to play a different way and often in different positions when they get a chance in the first team.

As I've said many times this is my biggest complaint about McLeish, he's not the right guy to get the reserves and youth playing in the first team, to do that you need a smooth transition and the one thing he will never give us is a first team that play the way our other sides do, which massively devalues the whole setup.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 28, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
all very well going with youth players and bringing in cheap players to supplement them, but to do it your youth players have to be 'good'. i think the jury's out on all of them long term currently and if they turn out to be not good enough, we're a shoe-in for relegation. Not much of a Plan B really.

It's difficult to judge the kids fairly when they come through a youth and reserve system which relies on one style of football and are being asked to play a different way and often in different positions when they get a chance in the first team.

As I've said many times this is my biggest complaint about McLeish, he's not the right guy to get the reserves and youth playing in the first team, to do that you need a smooth transition and the one thing he will never give us is a first team that play the way our other sides do, which massively devalues the whole setup.

I don't think they're ready personally. If we're relying on them over the next 2-3 years its gonna be a bumpy ride IMO. albrighton is a case in point, looked a real prospect but seriously needs to be taken out of the firing line, but thats what happens with kids. Could be Herd next season who has a drop in form. Doesn't help we can't rest them or they're playing in a poor side. a lot of the others we don't even know if they can hold down a place in a premiership side. I agree Mcleish's style of football doesn't suit how they play, but i'd say MON's didn't either (could be why he sold a lot of them). Even so relying on 7/8 kids to come through long term to solve our problems is risky whoever the manager is.
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Post by: john e on March 28, 2012, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 28, 2012, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 27, 2012, 10:11:54 PM
all very well going with youth players and bringing in cheap players to supplement them, but to do it your youth players have to be 'good'. i think the jury's out on all of them long term currently and if they turn out to be not good enough, we're a shoe-in for relegation. Not much of a Plan B really.

It's difficult to judge the kids fairly when they come through a youth and reserve system which relies on one style of football and are being asked to play a different way and often in different positions when they get a chance in the first team.

As I've said many times this is my biggest complaint about McLeish, he's not the right guy to get the reserves and youth playing in the first team, to do that you need a smooth transition and the one thing he will never give us is a first team that play the way our other sides do, which massively devalues the whole setup.

I don't think they're ready personally. If we're relying on them over the next 2-3 years its gonna be a bumpy ride IMO. albrighton is a case in point, looked a real prospect but seriously needs to be taken out of the firing line, but thats what happens with kids. Could be Herd next season who has a drop in form. Doesn't help we can't rest them or they're playing in a poor side. a lot of the others we don't even know if they can hold down a place in a premiership side. I agree Mcleish's style of football doesn't suit how they play, but i'd say MON's didn't either (could be why he sold a lot of them). Even so relying on 7/8 kids to come through long term to solve our problems is risky whoever the manager is.


but for every kid who has a blip or a drop in form i would give you one of our so called experiened players, Gabby, N'Zog, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Petrov, Heskey etc have all showed the same traits of inconsistancy.

i would bet Albrighton in a team playing for the manager and with a bit of confidence would be a totaly different player, actually the player we have seen in glimpses in the past.

what i'm saying is, we look at the youngsters and say 'they arnt ready yet' when we have seasoned proffesionals out on the pitch doing even worse, sometimes playing like absolute crap.

i would be more than happy to take the risk with our younger players as long as we had the right manager to bring them on and get them playing in a style that suits them, which is obviously the key to the whole thing
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Post by: Concrete John on March 28, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
The issue with the kids is not so much relying on them, but being able to use them.  We have limited funds, so why go and spend £5m and £20-30K a week on an average midfielder who is no better then Herd?  What that then does is leave that £5m and £20-30K a week to be used in other areas, such as added to a similar amount earmarked for a striker and then get a £10m and £60k a week man in.  If you look and Man Utd, they really haven't produced their own superstar since the Beckham/Giggs generation, but they've still been able to get the likes of O'Shea out of their accademy, who have filled up squad places.  So that's what I see us doing with our kids - using them and then using the money they save us to make sure we don't rely on them.
 
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 28, 2012, 09:38:28 AM
Totally agree, John.
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Post by: Monty on March 28, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 28, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
The issue with the kids is not so much relying on them, but being able to use them.  We have limited funds, so why go and spend £5m and £20-30K a week on an average midfielder who is no better then Herd?  What that then does is leave that £5m and £20-30K a week to be used in other areas, such as added to a similar amount earmarked for a striker and then get a £10m and £60k a week man in.  If you look and Man Utd, they really haven't produced their own superstar since the Beckham/Giggs generation, but they've still been able to get the likes of O'Shea out of their accademy, who have filled up squad places.  So that's what I see us doing with our kids - using them and then using the money they save us to make sure we don't rely on them.
 

Spot on John. If your academy's good enough, at best it can save you a lot of money by producing real talent for the first team, but at worst it can save you money by producing squad players - squad players who have been at the club for longer, have more of an affinity for the place than someone brought in and have greater affinity with the other youth team graduates in the squad. Even if we sell them we have, by it's nature, made an infinity% profit. It's win-win.
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Post by: Merv on March 28, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Yep, that's how we should be viewing the younger lads. Not necessarily expecting to find the next big thing (though one or two may well turn out to be pretty special) but using them to contest for starting places, add strength to the squad - and save us needing to spend money on average players who will fill the bench.

As John says, the major plus will be having players who can come in when needed, and therefore avoid having to spend small fortunes on back-up types such as Beye, Sidwell, Routledge, etc, like we have done in the recent past. We can then focus on making the most of out of what will be a limited transfer budget on 2-3 higher quality players who will come to us as nailed-on starters, capable of making a significant impact.

That would be the plan, anyway.
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Post by: villajk on March 28, 2012, 08:29:36 PM
Do you protest or not, chance for Chelsea game
Posted by ianrobo on March 28, 2012 in Aston Villa Blogs, Match preview and reaction, News, Submitted Piece
So Chris from Mcleish_out campaign has issued the following press release.

I have said before the time for protesting is when we are officially safe, is this the time ?

At a time when injuries are striking or illnesses (whether genuine or not) is the time we should protest or not ?

When Mcleish said what he did at the weekend, when he gave up and admitted other games he would give up, is this the time to protest or not ?

your choice

It is safe to say now that it is a very large majority of fans that want Alex McLeish sacked as manager. A number of fans are happy to moan and groan online but when it comes to taking part in any planned action to show their discontent they refuse to take part.

Why is that? Its all well and good us moaning on here, twitter and facebook but does that really grab the clubs attention, No!

We need a large, strong and vocal ANTI-MCLEISH presence at Villa Park on Saturday. The larger the number present at the protest, the more serious we will be taken.

People are worried about how they look if they attend a protest, why? It shows you care, have passion and still want to fight for the best interests of your club. The protest will be peacful and non violent so what is the problem?

What else should we do, just sit back and do nothing and accept this and let it run on in to next season? Keep paying a small fortune to watch us go down?

I love this club and refuse to sit back idly and watch this manager destroy us.

So if you dont want to put up with this rubbish anymore join a peaceful protest on Saturday before the game at 2.15, by the McGregor Statue, Trinity Road Stand.

People say its pointless, but could they really ignore thousands of us? and how could the press try and spin it.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2012, 08:31:28 PM
Robo's got an obsession with 'spin'.
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Post by: bertlambshank on March 28, 2012, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2012, 08:31:28 PM
Robo's got an obsession with 'spin'.
He can spin on this!!!
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Post by: john e on March 28, 2012, 08:44:20 PM
i shall not be protesting...............because i'm not going.

so i suppose i am in a way
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Post by: Ian. on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.
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Post by: TheSandman on March 28, 2012, 08:51:46 PM
Is it just me or is that blog post clear as mud?

Maybe the sun has dried out my brain.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

Just said the defenders couldn't pass (and lets face it, they can't) so he told them not to take on one of the best passing sides in the league and also the players have difficulty doing what he tells them to. Overall subtext was - "this team is shite" - probably true but no-one wants to hear it.
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Post by: Ian. on March 28, 2012, 09:01:39 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

Just said the defenders couldn't pass (and lets face it, they can't) so he told them not to take on one of the best passing sides in the league and also the players have difficulty doing what he tells them to. Overall subtext was - "this team is shite" - probably true but no-one wants to hear it.
Thanks Greg. It does sound like he was speaking the truth then.
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Post by: Eigentor on March 28, 2012, 09:03:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

I think it was along the lines of: "The team was shit. But I can't do anything about it, because the players won't listen to me. But I'd like them to play better."

Some of it could be interpreted as: "Ideally, when we play a better team, we should have a game plan that works to their weaknesses and our strengths. But, as the players won't listen to me, there is no point in trying that."
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Post by: TonyD on March 28, 2012, 09:19:24 PM
Yes to a strong vocal protest at the game on Saturday.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 28, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 28, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 28, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
The issue with the kids is not so much relying on them, but being able to use them.  We have limited funds, so why go and spend £5m and £20-30K a week on an average midfielder who is no better then Herd?  What that then does is leave that £5m and £20-30K a week to be used in other areas, such as added to a similar amount earmarked for a striker and then get a £10m and £60k a week man in.  If you look and Man Utd, they really haven't produced their own superstar since the Beckham/Giggs generation, but they've still been able to get the likes of O'Shea out of their accademy, who have filled up squad places.  So that's what I see us doing with our kids - using them and then using the money they save us to make sure we don't rely on them.
 

Spot on John. If your academy's good enough, at best it can save you a lot of money by producing real talent for the first team, but at worst it can save you money by producing squad players - squad players who have been at the club for longer, have more of an affinity for the place than someone brought in and have greater affinity with the other youth team graduates in the squad. Even if we sell them we have, by it's nature, made an infinity% profit. It's win-win.

I just read that Barca's Masia costs 5m a year to run.  That's the equivalent of Beye and Heskey's wages.
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Post by: Monty on March 29, 2012, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 28, 2012, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 28, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 28, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
The issue with the kids is not so much relying on them, but being able to use them.  We have limited funds, so why go and spend £5m and £20-30K a week on an average midfielder who is no better then Herd?  What that then does is leave that £5m and £20-30K a week to be used in other areas, such as added to a similar amount earmarked for a striker and then get a £10m and £60k a week man in.  If you look and Man Utd, they really haven't produced their own superstar since the Beckham/Giggs generation, but they've still been able to get the likes of O'Shea out of their accademy, who have filled up squad places.  So that's what I see us doing with our kids - using them and then using the money they save us to make sure we don't rely on them.
 

Spot on John. If your academy's good enough, at best it can save you a lot of money by producing real talent for the first team, but at worst it can save you money by producing squad players - squad players who have been at the club for longer, have more of an affinity for the place than someone brought in and have greater affinity with the other youth team graduates in the squad. Even if we sell them we have, by it's nature, made an infinity% profit. It's win-win.

I just read that Barca's Masia costs 5m a year to run.  That's the equivalent of Beye and Heskey's wages.

Now that's perspective for you.
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Post by: TheSandman on March 29, 2012, 01:30:58 AM
Did anyone hear that show on 5Live about academies tonight. I heard a bit. Our academy director was on it.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 29, 2012, 05:41:48 AM
McLeish trying to evade responsibility for performances of his side it seems. Sure looks like money well spent to get him out of the blues now.

Obviously McLeish needs to go, been a disaster like the manager before him. But without change at board level what is the point. Lerner and his lap dog have made 2 disastrous appointments in a row now. The appointment of McLeish was beneath contempt. Sack McLeish and we could have Steve Bruce or Mick McCarthy rocking up at B6.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 29, 2012, 07:05:36 AM
With how bad he has been, can you see many being worse??Players are admitting we are right to be pissed off with the season now. He should be under massively more pressure than he appears to be. I can understand Lerner having trust in people, but surely it is the job of Faulkner to be telling Lerner that this simply ain't working.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 29, 2012, 08:15:14 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on March 29, 2012, 01:30:58 AM
Did anyone hear that show on 5Live about academies tonight. I heard a bit. Our academy director was on it.

Anything interesting said?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 29, 2012, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 29, 2012, 07:05:36 AM
With how bad he has been, can you see many being worse??Players are admitting we are right to be pissed off with the season now. He should be under massively more pressure than he appears to be. I can understand Lerner having trust in people, but surely it is the job of Faulkner to be telling Lerner that this simply ain't working.

Thing thing is Ozz logic would dictate that with pretty much any other club. However I don't think there appears to be much logic or know how in how our board operates.
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Post by: Mister E on March 29, 2012, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

Just said the defenders couldn't pass (and lets face it, they can't) so he told them not to take on one of the best passing sides in the league and also the players have difficulty doing what he tells them to. Overall subtext was - "this team is shite" - probably true but no-one wants to hear it.
No, Greg: the sub-text is "I (AMcL) am incapable of influencing how the players play. Furthermore I am unable to correctly select the right team / tactics for the next game".
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Post by: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.
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Post by: not3bad on March 29, 2012, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: EffDee on March 29, 2012, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

Just said the defenders couldn't pass (and lets face it, they can't) so he told them not to take on one of the best passing sides in the league and also the players have difficulty doing what he tells them to. Overall subtext was - "this team is shite" - probably true but no-one wants to hear it.
No, Greg: the sub-text is "I (AMcL) am incapable of influencing how the players play. Furthermore I am unable to correctly select the right team / tactics for the next game".

And how come this team managed to give Arsenal a decent game just before Christmas and beat them just before then end of last season?  It sounds like poor excuses for poor excuses.
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Post by: Vanilla on March 29, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: not3bad on March 29, 2012, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: EffDee on March 29, 2012, 12:31:25 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 28, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 28, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
What did I miss at the weekend? I know we lost and we should have been really stuffed but what did I miss regarding these quotes from AM? My computer was down for a while due to a incident with my daughter, a cup of tea and the laptop.

Just said the defenders couldn't pass (and lets face it, they can't) so he told them not to take on one of the best passing sides in the league and also the players have difficulty doing what he tells them to. Overall subtext was - "this team is shite" - probably true but no-one wants to hear it.
No, Greg: the sub-text is "I (AMcL) am incapable of influencing how the players play. Furthermore I am unable to correctly select the right team / tactics for the next game".

And how come this team managed to give Arsenal a decent game just before Christmas and beat them just before then end of last season?  It sounds like poor excuses for poor excuses.

Which sounds like an excuse for relegation, prior to relegation.

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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 29, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.

I always knew the goalies were the best players . The times those two get SH in the game .  Hart was amazing and yes it is worrying.     AVB for me please
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Post by: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..
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Post by: Monty on March 29, 2012, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.

Before he came here, and when many were talking about his defensive solidity, I mentioned how a manager who enhances the reputations of goalkeepers doesn't strike me as one who can organise a defence.

Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..

If he's upset about something, I wouldn't blame him to be honest.
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Post by: MonsXI on March 29, 2012, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 29, 2012, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.

Before he came here, and when many were talking about his defensive solidity, I mentioned how a manager who enhances the reputations of goalkeepers doesn't strike me as one who can organise a defence.

Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..

If he's upset about something, I wouldn't blame him to be honest.

Not sure about that because even though the majority of the blame lies at AMC's door the playing staff have been utterly shite.
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Post by: Monty on March 29, 2012, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on March 29, 2012, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 29, 2012, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.

Before he came here, and when many were talking about his defensive solidity, I mentioned how a manager who enhances the reputations of goalkeepers doesn't strike me as one who can organise a defence.

Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..

If he's upset about something, I wouldn't blame him to be honest.

Not sure about that because even though the majority of the blame lies at AMC's door the playing staff have been utterly shite.

If there's one player in our squad who Eck won't understand or use correctly it's Bannan.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 29, 2012, 11:12:36 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..

Where are these rumours?
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Post by: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
Just an FYI, the 'Gabby to Sunderland' articles start tomorrow.
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Post by: Holte L2 on March 29, 2012, 11:21:58 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
Some twitter rumors regarding some stress in the Villa dressing room, with Bannan being the antagonist. Here we go..

Doesn't shock me. I posted on here in Jan that I met Bannan in Manchester. And he told me he was pissed off with his role and the set-up.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 29, 2012, 11:25:29 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 29, 2012, 12:40:13 PM
I was out with a mate who supports Small Heath last night (he does actually go to the games and is generally sensible) and he said something along the lines of "Our first season back in the Premier League, Joe Hart was our player of the season and in the second it was Ben Foster and from what I've seen and heard this season your best player has been Shay Given." And he's probably right and it's quite concerning.

My Dad saw the highlights of the Arsenal match last week, and heard McLeish's comments after, and rang me up shortly after, apoplectic with rage at McLeish's "everyone's fault except my own" attitude and his spinelessness. Nothing out of the ordinary there, except my Dad's a Blues fan, and it was really just an extension of the anger he felt with the same manager doing and saying the same things when he was in their job.

He finds it truly unbelievable he's our manager.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
Just an FYI, the 'Gabby to Sunderland' articles start tomorrow.


Can see there being a bit of truth in that . He's the one player in the mound of bobbins he left us, that MON actually rates. Rather see him leave on a free than sell him to pubehead, but no doubt our board will happily flog him,.
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Post by: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 11:36:34 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 29, 2012, 11:16:47 PM
Just an FYI, the 'Gabby to Sunderland' articles start tomorrow.


Can see there being a bit of truth in that . He's the one player in the mound of bobbins he left us, that MON actually rates. Rather see him leave on a free than sell him to pubehead, but no doubt our board will happily flog him,.

He said a few months ago, regarding the Tottenham rumors, that there's a reason other clubs don't even ask about him because they know he'd never leave. I don't think someone even as ridiculous as Lerner would ever sell one of our assets to MON at the point. Who knows though.. he did give away Ashley, and dxwning, and Barry, and Milner, and soon to be Carlos and Charles. Can't wait..
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 29, 2012, 11:39:10 PM
I think Gabby would leave under the right circumstances, we're kidding ourselves if we believe that stuff about him never, ever playing for anyone else. It just doesn't work like that any more.

I'd be truly amazed if he felt his best option was to join Sunderland, though.

In fact, if he was prepared to join them, it'd really be a sign that he's not going to be as good as we all hoped he would be.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
Depends how much cash they splash in the summer. This is MON we're talking about here - he didn't go there to make up the numbers, so i'm guessing he's been promised some pretty heavy spending..
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Post by: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 30, 2012, 08:12:09 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on March 29, 2012, 11:45:58 PM
Depends how much cash they splash in the summer. This is MON we're talking about here - he didn't go there to make up the numbers, so i'm guessing he's been promised some pretty heavy spending..
He'll be looking for big transfer funds or he's likely to go off on one.

The board won't want to upset the fans after their resurgance, so they'll have to suck the Manbaby's dick.

The odious little creep is likely to walk out at any point if he's not mollycoddled.
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Post by: WarszaVillan on March 30, 2012, 08:17:35 AM
You should seek help Fletch, its becoming an obsession
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on March 30, 2012, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on March 30, 2012, 08:17:35 AM
You should seek help Fletch, its becoming an obsession


It sticks in my craw the way he dropped us in the shit, I'll take any opportunity to slate him.

You might say i'm an atheist.
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Post by: David_Nab on March 30, 2012, 09:09:12 AM
I'd sell Dunne in a flash wrong side of 30 past his best and out of contract next summer.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
me too.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 30, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
me too.


+1           
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Post by: Risso on March 30, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
me too.

I don't have a problem with selling players as such, but you know that at best, any cash received is going to go on substandard replacements, with the majority of the money going towards the enormous black hole in the accounts.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 30, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
Selling Gabby would be a disaster in terms of the message it would send to a lot of Villa fans.

We've got a manager that nobody really wants - and that some people hate because of his links to the dog shit - selling a player who is clearly Villa through and through. We'd be getting rid of the wrong person

I wouldn't want McLeish to sell him, although I think he's probably daft enough to consider it.

Only speculation though   
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Post by: Merv on March 30, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
I can handle selling Dunne to Sunderland - £3m please.

Reluctant to see Gabby go. If there's genuine desire from Sunderland and the player himself though, I'd be looking for cash plus Frazier Campbell......
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Post by: Concrete John on March 30, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
The question is can we afford to keep our two most expensive assets, Gabby and Bent, when we struggle to play them together?

If we sell Gabby and his fee and wages are used to sign a genuine winger to support Bent, we'd probably be a better side for it.

The other option is to restructure the midfield so that we can go 4-4-2, which would then probably mean Ireland missing out.  Holman may be the first step towards this given his reported work ethic.
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 10:12:52 AM
Quote from: Merv on March 30, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
I can handle selling Dunne to Sunderland - £3m please.

Reluctant to see Gabby go. If there's genuine desire from Sunderland and the player himself though, I'd be looking for cash plus Frazier Campbell......
Cash plus players may be the answer. Campbell would probably score the same amount of goals as Gabby given a whole season uninterupted playing up front. Probably around the dozen mark, maybe.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2012, 10:20:28 AM
It's a hallmark of MON's transfer laziness - going back to sign players he's worked with before.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on March 30, 2012, 10:27:06 AM
I personally will not be disappointed if gabby goes as for me, he will not be getting any better. Sorry to all GA fans on here
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Post by: Villanation on March 30, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 30, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
Selling Gabby would be a disaster in terms of the message it would send to a lot of Villa fans.

We've got a manager that nobody really wants - and that some people hate because of his links to the dog shit - selling a player who is clearly Villa through and through. We'd be getting rid of the wrong person

I wouldn't want McLeish to sell him, although I think he's probably daft enough to consider it.

Only speculation though

It would be a disaster full stop, Gabby is Aston Villa, he represents the personification and character of stability, you know when Gabbs steps on the pitch you are looking at a true stalwart, but doesn't surprise me, mate of mine that is a Spurs fan say's he is convinced Spurs are after him and will get him and Gabby is known to frequent around that area and a few months ago was looking for a place there. (rumor)

Fact is though, its the way its all going, I can't see anyway we will keep Gabby Agbonlahor and even far less, Darren Bent has already booked the removal van.

Lerner to take the funds, use them elsewhere, and McLiesh to sign some half baked freebie which is why he's here IMO.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 30, 2012, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 30, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
me too.

I don't have a problem with selling players as such, but you know that at best, any cash received is going to go on substandard replacements, with the majority of the money going towards the enormous black hole in the accounts.

Think thats spot on unfortunately - How much would we get to spend?  10m? 7m?

any transfer involving MON should involve a 35% surcharge on top to make it worth our while and claw back the money he wasted - and lets face it he'll probably pay it if someone's dumb enough to finance him. In Dunne's case we could follow the government's lead and say anyone who's purchased a hot pasty eater from our club has to pay extra.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on March 30, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
Just because a player is "villa through and through" doesn't mean that they untouchable and cannot be sold.  Gabby has potential but how long are we keep using that excuse before he deliveres week in week out?  Sometimes players like him need a move to test themselves to prove if he is good enough.  At villa, he will never be classed as "great" like Ian Taylor & Paul McGarth was IMO.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 30, 2012, 10:54:31 AM
Gabby's recent outings in the press have annoyed me, but saying we should keep Heskey is the equivalent of treason!
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Post by: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on March 30, 2012, 10:52:22 AM
Just because a player is "villa through and through" doesn't mean that they untouchable and cannot be sold.  Gabby has potential but how long are we keep using that excuse before he deliveres week in week out?  Sometimes players like him need a move to test themselves to prove if he is good enough.  At villa, he will never be classed as "great" like Ian Taylor & Paul McGarth was IMO.
Spot on. IMO.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 30, 2012, 11:09:42 AM
Quote
Just because a player is "villa through and through" doesn't mean that they untouchable and cannot be sold.

That's not what I said. Nobody should be untouchable

I said that if McLeish does try and sell Gabby, he will make the problem that he's got with a lot of fans at the moment a whole lot worse.

We're shit at the moment and Gabby is probably the only common link between our team and a lot of our fans. McLeish can only dream of the kind of respect that Gabby enjoys from much of the Holte and I think it would be a mistake to sell him.
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Post by: andyh on March 30, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 30, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
The question is can we afford to keep our two most expensive assets, Gabby and Bent, when we struggle to play them together?

If we sell Gabby and his fee and wages are used to sign a genuine winger to support Bent, we'd probably be a better side for it.

The other option is to restructure the midfield so that we can go 4-4-2, which would then probably mean Ireland missing out.  Holman may be the first step towards this given his reported work ethic.
Or, find a way of them being able to play together.
Maybe a decent manager could do that ?
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Post by: Risso on March 30, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: andyh on March 30, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 30, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
The question is can we afford to keep our two most expensive assets, Gabby and Bent, when we struggle to play them together?

If we sell Gabby and his fee and wages are used to sign a genuine winger to support Bent, we'd probably be a better side for it.

The other option is to restructure the midfield so that we can go 4-4-2, which would then probably mean Ireland missing out.  Holman may be the first step towards this given his reported work ethic.
Or, find a way of them being able to play together.
Maybe a decent manager could do that ?

The thing is with Bent, is that his career is based on getting the ball in the box, and sticking away a proportion of his chances.  He's never been a team player really, so finding an effective partner for him is always going to be tricky, but you need a manager to at least try.  Gabby has always put in a shift and with his pace can beat people, so I'm no sure what the big problem is really.
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Post by: Concrete John on March 30, 2012, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 30, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
Quote from: andyh on March 30, 2012, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on March 30, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
The question is can we afford to keep our two most expensive assets, Gabby and Bent, when we struggle to play them together?

If we sell Gabby and his fee and wages are used to sign a genuine winger to support Bent, we'd probably be a better side for it.

The other option is to restructure the midfield so that we can go 4-4-2, which would then probably mean Ireland missing out.  Holman may be the first step towards this given his reported work ethic.
Or, find a way of them being able to play together.
Maybe a decent manager could do that ?

The thing is with Bent, is that his career is based on getting the ball in the box, and sticking away a proportion of his chances.  He's never been a team player really, so finding an effective partner for him is always going to be tricky, but you need a manager to at least try.  Gabby has always put in a shift and with his pace can beat people, so I'm no sure what the big problem is really.

I think the problem is that we're not strong enough in midfield to play with a 4 and not get overrun by any decent side.  Hence some combination of 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 we've seen most of this season.  I have no issue with that, but it does mean Gabby playing wide, where he's not at his best.  We could do it under MON due to the work rate of players like Ash and Milner, who we don't have now.

So as I said, we either develop a midfield that can support two strikers or just play one of them, which is a waste of our limited resources.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 02:39:09 PM
I don't think many sides would get away with 4-4-2 now though, as the 3 tucked in and winger/ strikers seem the order of the day. On paper it is a role that should be perfect for Gabby, but he does seem to spend some games sulking out wide and does not get into the box enough from there. Bent will score more goals if only 1 is playing and always carries a threat.
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Post by: WarleyWonder on March 31, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
QPR win Bolton win and Wigan win who would have thought it? And now our beloved Villa are in the s**t a few of us knew it would happen and now the table does not lie. How much longer are we supposed to watch rubbish like this? We all know Randy wont sack AM so gues we will all have to pay for yet another season of doom and gloom, thanks Alex. Torres hadnt scored in the league for 6 months so guess we were sitting ducks wasnt we? I just hope AM can look himself in the mirror and feel proud of what he has single handed done to our famous club.
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Post by: Big Dick Edwards on March 31, 2012, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on March 31, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
QPR win Bolton win and Wigan win who would have thought it? Torres hadnt scored in the league for 6 months so guess we were sitting ducks wasnt we? I just hope AM can look himself in the mirror and feel proud of what he has single handed done to our famous club.

So McLeish is single handedly responsible for injuries to Hutton, Dunne, Cuellar, Jenas, Petrov, Delph, N'Zobia and Bent leaving us a virtual youth team to play against a team one game away from the Champions League semi finals?
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Post by: Fergal on March 31, 2012, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on March 30, 2012, 09:17:42 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 30, 2012, 07:57:52 AM
In the mirror today that he wants Dunne and Gabby. 15 million for the pair and I would sell.
me too.
Yea, that 15 million Randy can have back...
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Post by: Moorski on March 31, 2012, 09:52:54 PM
McLeish & Villa are simply not a good fit,Cmon Randy sort it out in the Summer!
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 31, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on March 31, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
QPR win Bolton win and Wigan win who would have thought it? And now our beloved Villa are in the s**t a few of us knew it would happen and now the table does not lie. How much longer are we supposed to watch rubbish like this? We all know Randy wont sack AM so gues we will all have to pay for yet another season of doom and gloom, thanks Alex. Torres hadnt scored in the league for 6 months so guess we were sitting
ducks wasnt we? I just hope AM can look himself in the mirror and feel proud of what he has single handed done to our famous club.

I thought you weren't going to Villa next season. Make your mind up!
What would your team / tactics have been today with the available players?
In short, give it a rest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 31, 2012, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 31, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on March 31, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
QPR win Bolton win and Wigan win who would have thought it? And now our beloved Villa are in the s**t a few of us knew it would happen and now the table does not lie. How much longer are we supposed to watch rubbish like this? We all know Randy wont sack AM so gues we will all have to pay for yet another season of doom and gloom, thanks Alex. Torres hadnt scored in the league for 6 months so guess we were sitting
ducks wasnt we? I just hope AM can look himself in the mirror and feel proud of what he has single handed done to our famous club.

I thought you weren't going to Villa next season. Make your mind up!
What would your team / tactics have been today with the available players?
In short, give it a rest.


heheheh
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Post by: Stu on March 31, 2012, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 31, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
What would your team / tactics have been today with the available players?
In short, give it a rest.

When he had the players though, McLeish had us playing utter garbage and we didn't pick up anything like enough points. Its not his fault that we have a massive injury problem, but I firmly believe it is his fault we're scratching around for points at this stage of the season at the wrong end of the table.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 31, 2012, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 31, 2012, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 31, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
What would your team / tactics have been today with the available players?
In short, give it a rest.

When he had the players though, McLeish had us playing utter garbage and we didn't
pick up anything like enough points. Its not his fault that we have a massive injury problem, but I firmly believe it is his fault we're scratching around for points at this stage of the season at the wrong end of the table.

It doesn't excuse dazzy g revelling in our losses again.
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Post by: Cuz on March 31, 2012, 10:08:24 PM
He must go Asap!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:20:32 PM
Too late to change now, and if we did be prepared for another divisive appointment such as Curbishley or McCarthy.

Absolutley diabolical season though in every way and with other teams below us having the predicatable end of season surge while we have injuries, Stan's illness and McNumpty in charge, I really think we are in trouble.

However much we want him gone (and he should go) at seasons end, just getting shot of AML will not sort out the mess we are in.  It's far greater than just replacing a Manager.
 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2012, 10:28:53 PM

Quote from: Stu on March 31, 2012, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on March 31, 2012, 09:58:17 PM
What would your team / tactics have been today with the available players?
In short, give it a rest.

When he had the players though, McLeish had us playing utter garbage and we didn't pick up anything like enough points. Its not his fault that we have a massive injury problem, but I firmly believe it is his fault we're scratching around for points at this stage of the season at the wrong end of the table.

I think that's the point, it's not about what he could do today with all the injuries. It's all about what he did when he had the players available, unfortunately now it's too late. So as a consequence he should go.
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Post by: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
So IF he went now, would we be happy to take any replacement - is it an anyone but AML policy we have.

Because that's what it would need to be given the late stage of the season, applicants willing and available and the clueless selection policy we'd obviously have. 

You'd be happy with Curbishley for example?
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Post by: Fergal on March 31, 2012, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:20:32 PM
Too late to change now, and if we did be prepared for another divisive appointment such as Curbishley or McCarthy.

Absolutley diabolical season though in every way and with other teams below us having the predicatable end of season surge while we have injuries, Stan's illness and McNumpty in charge, I really think we are in trouble.

However much we want him gone (and he should go) at seasons end, just getting shot of AML will not sort out the mess we are in.  It's far greater than just replacing a Manager.
 
It is too late but he needs sacking after the last game to give us plenty of time to find a proper manager.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 10:42:43 PM
You know I would take Curbishley now. He has a good record in the premier league all things considered, and a much better one than McLeish.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
So IF he went now, would we be happy to take any replacement - is it an anyone but AML policy we have.

Because that's what it would need to be given the late stage of the season, applicants willing and available and the clueless selection policy we'd obviously have. 

You'd be happy with Curbishley for example?

Potential Sid and Kmac taking over could give us the lift to pick up enough points to survive and then address it properly in the summer. I think we are genuinely down to that point now.
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Post by: Hoppo on March 31, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
Glenn Hoddle, Keegan, Venables, Lee Clark.. I have given him a chance but enough is enough he is ruining us. Its not about Alex McLeish now its about ASTON VILLA..
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Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Lee CLark is not a bad shout. I would sooner see someone like him given the chance next season than McLeish. Someone young and with a bit of something different.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2012, 11:00:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 10:42:43 PM
You know I would take Curbishley now. He has a good record in the premier league all things considered, and a much better one than McLeish.

You're drunk Ozz. Take a fresh look at that post in the morning after a coffee and a couple of headache killers.
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Post by: Ad@m on March 31, 2012, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 31, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
So IF he went now, would we be happy to take any replacement - is it an anyone but AML policy we have.

Because that's what it would need to be given the late stage of the season, applicants willing and available and the clueless selection policy we'd obviously have. 

You'd be happy with Curbishley for example?

Potential Sid and Kmac taking over could give us the lift to pick up enough points to survive and then address it properly in the summer. I think we are genuinely down to that point now.

Just look at Wolves for an example of what happens when you sack your manager and promote from within.
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Post by: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 31, 2012, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 31, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
So IF he went now, would we be happy to take any replacement - is it an anyone but AML policy we have.

Because that's what it would need to be given the late stage of the season, applicants willing and available and the clueless selection policy we'd obviously have. 

You'd be happy with Curbishley for example?

Potential Sid and Kmac taking over could give us the lift to pick up enough points to survive and then address it properly in the summer. I think we are genuinely down to that point now.

Just look at Wolves for an example of what happens when you sack your manager and promote from within.

Could our results be much worse? On a short term basis I'm not convinced it'd be that bad an idea. Also there's a huge focus on bringing the kids through, who better to guide them to the end of the season than the guys who developed them.
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Post by: Ad@m on March 31, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 31, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on March 31, 2012, 11:03:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on March 31, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on March 31, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
So IF he went now, would we be happy to take any replacement - is it an anyone but AML policy we have.

Because that's what it would need to be given the late stage of the season, applicants willing and available and the clueless selection policy we'd obviously have. 

You'd be happy with Curbishley for example?

Potential Sid and Kmac taking over could give us the lift to pick up enough points to survive and then address it properly in the summer. I think we are genuinely down to that point now.

Just look at Wolves for an example of what happens when you sack your manager and promote from within.

Could our results be much worse? On a short term basis I'm not convinced it'd be that bad an idea. Also there's a huge focus on bringing the kids through, who better to guide them to the end of the season than the guys who developed them.

I went to Newcastle at the start of last season when KMac was in charge. 

So yes, our results could be much worse!
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on March 31, 2012, 11:12:44 PM
Sorry but Curbishley. No thanks. Only person i'd have at this point would be Cowans on the off chance his knowledge of the kids could bring their development forward at a rapid rate of knots. Even then i'd think it would be more hope than anything.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
That was a shocking game. However everything has been drained from the club now, and there is a greater focus on the kids. I want Mcleish gone, because I genuinely believe we will go down under his management. I'd rather we gave Kmac a chance to save us.
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Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2012, 01:29:26 AM
See I think there was enough on the pitch today to show that with a decent manager using the resources properly we could see a good turn around.

I thought all of the kids did pretty well, Baker made a couple of mistakes from corners but that's a coaching thing as we've been doing it all season regardless of the team picked, Bannan and Gardner looked at bit on the edge of things but again that was more because of how they were (mis)used.

I firmly believe that our academy deserves better management and coaching at the top level to make the most of some very talented kids.

McLeish has to go, be that before or after the end of the season, but he can't be allowed to survive this season.  No manager on the money he's earning can justify getting our squad involved in a relegation battle.  Even if it isn't his squad he needed to get the players performing at 90-95% for me and I don't think he's done that with anyone in our squad other than maybe Given.
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Post by: Aston Manor on April 01, 2012, 01:46:01 AM
McLeish has to go,yes and I don't think Curbishley is that bad a call to keep us up. Thing is, we'd end up being saddled with him. In any case I don't think he'd come. Post O'Neill his was the only name leaked by the club as a manager that had been interviewed for the job.  For me that was simply just to make us feel better about who they turned down and who they eventually appointed. I'm sure Curbishley would think the same. Add that to another list of bad ideas from our board.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.
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Post by: PeterWithe on April 01, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
Lee CLark is not a bad shout. I would sooner see someone like him given the chance next season than McLeish. Someone young and with a bit of something different.

I was speaking to my mate on Friday who is a Hudds Season Ticket holder, I'd not spoken to him for a few months.

He was glad to see the back of Clark, he described him as a snake in the grass, always the whiff that he'd had clandestine talks with other clubs behind his chairmans back, including the hated Leeds Utd. He also said the much vaunted run of unbeaten games included an awful lot of draws against poorer teams against whom they'd took  the lead before dropping deeper and deeper in order to unsuccessfully protect their lead. He joined Hudds when they were 6th, spent more money than any other in their history and left them just two places higher four years later.

'The emperor is wearing no clothes' was his overall verdict.

Frying pan. Fire.
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Post by: andyh on April 01, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
I know you should 'be careful what you wish for' but bloody hell, I wish McLeish would fuck off.
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Post by: Hadley83 on April 01, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
I'm not sure if its been mentioned previously but after Inter Milan won the Next Gen series, then went and appointed the manager from that team as their first team manager. We could do a lot worse than follow suit. Especially if we got an experienced assistant manager in to.
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Post by: Risso on April 01, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 
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Post by: Hoppo on April 01, 2012, 10:13:11 AM
Spot on Hadley. Tony McAndrew is a great shot with Sid and Mr Mac coaching. McAndrew is far more vocal than the other two.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 01, 2012, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 01, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 
Interesting point.
Lambert and Rogers presumably know their clubs management and board very well and have a close relationship.
Would you really want to work for a fucking imbecile who spends most of his time in the States whilst implementing an economy drive that would make George Osborne blush?
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 01, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?
I don't adovocate violence against women, but I think you're quite within your rights to beat Mrs Walnuts to the point at which you both end up in tears.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2012, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 01, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?
I don't adovocate violence against women, but I think you're quite within your rights to beat Mrs Walnuts to the point at which you both end up in tears.

I think I would have gone nuts!
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Post by: jembob on April 01, 2012, 11:11:05 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 01, 2012, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?
I don't adovocate violence against women, but I think you're quite within your rights to beat Mrs Walnuts to the point at which you both end up in tears.
Indeed. Domestic violence is a dreadful deed but ther's a time and a place for everything.
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Post by: preston28 on April 01, 2012, 11:25:41 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?

Ha Ha = Mrs. Walnuts got you by the walnuts there!! (I do know a good divorce lawyer though.....................)
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Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2012, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
This morning ...

Mrs Walnuts: "Have you seen the news?"
Me: "No"
Mrs Walnuts: "McLeish has been sacked"
Me: "REALLY?"
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes"
Me: "REALLY?'
Mrs Walnuts: "Yes!"

*spirits soar as I rush to the internet*

Mrs Walnuts: "April Fool!"

Does anyone know a good divorce lawyer? Or hitman?

Cruel, cruel woman.
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Post by: Monty on April 01, 2012, 11:30:25 AM
Hell hath no cruelty like a woman taking the piss.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
my woman knows nothing about football .
She watched an interview with McLeish talking after the game and she said to me ' Blimey , he makes out you're a small club and HE'S your manager '

Made up my mind that one did.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
I went to the Leicester -Forest game the other night ( absolute drab ) with my Leicester mate , free ticket and few drinks .

I actually bumped into another Villa fan there who had gone to the game , he told me he was a season ticket holder and was not going again while McLeish was there , I thought , fair enough and then he said 'Im getting a season ticket next season too but I wont go to another Villa game until McLeish is gone ' .   

He had it right in for the manager .  I wonder if he posts on here ?
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Post by: Irish villain on April 01, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
McLeish is actually a dreadful manager. I don't know if he lost his magic (or if he ever had any magic) after suffering relegation but boy is he useless.

There's nothing there. When he came in first I liked his dignity and integrity and felt they indicated a certain leadership ability that might rub off on the players.

Any other club in this league and he'd have been sacked by now.
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Post by: Ads on April 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards plan was?
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Post by: itbrvilla on April 01, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards pluan was?
they seam to lack any structured plan. Always have done IMO.
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 01, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
he said 'Im getting a season ticket next season too but I wont go to another Villa game until McLeish is gone ' .   

??? ??? ???
Not the brightest tool in the box then?
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Post by: levico on April 01, 2012, 02:22:52 PM
I've always thought he would take us down sooner or later. I'm now convinced it will be sooner.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2012, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 01, 2012, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 01, 2012, 11:40:04 AM
he said 'Im getting a season ticket next season too but I wont go to another Villa game until McLeish is gone ' .   

??? ??? ???
Not the brightest tool in the box then?


I did find it odd , he must have a cracking seat or knows something we dont know.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 01, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 

Don't agree Risso. We're still Aston Villa and they are still Norwich/Swansea. Just because some fans here might not like Lerner/Faulkner today, certainly doesn't mean it will always be the case. It also doesn't mean that the same perspective would be received by prospective manager's. For us it is mostly emotion, and a sprinkling of rational thought. For manager's it is a job, and when a bigger company/club comes calling with more money, exposure, and the all important "chance to make us great again" opportunity, few would pass us by.

Right now, smart men like Lambert or Rodgers would see us a low stock that can only get higher. Hiring one of them would almost instantly put 5000 extra bums on seats, and renewed optimism for the coming season.
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Post by: Risso on April 01, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 01, 2012, 10:05:09 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 31, 2012, 11:07:04 PM
I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 

Don't agree Risso. We're still Aston Villa and they are still Norwich/Swansea. Just because some fans here might not like Lerner/Faulkner today, certainly doesn't mean it will always be the case. It also doesn't mean that the same perspective would be received by prospective manager's. For us it is mostly emotion, and a sprinkling of rational thought. For manager's it is a job, and when a bigger company/club comes calling with more money, exposure, and the all important "chance to make us great again" opportunity, few would pass us by.

Right now, smart men like Lambert or Rodgers would see us a low stock that can only get higher. Hiring one of them would almost instantly put 5000 extra bums on seats, and renewed optimism for the coming season.

You'd have a point if we were taken over by new owners.  But under Lerner, the chance of anybody "making us great again" isn't going to happen. 
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.
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Post by: Risso on April 01, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.

We haven't managed to tempt anybody in a decent job the last two times, and things are now even worse on the financial front.  It's nice to look at things through rose-tinted spectacles when it comes to Villa, but the reality is we're not seen as a big club by most people any more. 
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 01, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
And that's all down to Randy. I feel like he has completely belittled this club,forcing us all to downgrade our expectations. The Ferguson letter was the icing on the cake A club with an inferiority complex and a manager that tells us we can't compete with his words and actions week in week out
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Post by: brian green on April 01, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
Worse than that Riss, we are on the cusp of another period of being a joke club.   You will know when it has taken full hold when the Mirror runs the joke Aston Vanilla easy to lick as though it is original and their creation.

In the summer we will have nothing to offer a new decent manager and nothing to offer new decent players.   No money, dwindling gates, depressed supporters and enemies and mickey takers in every branch of the media.

A typical symptom of our malaise was on 606 last night when that self referential twerp Fletcher ripped into a very nervous, not very articulate young Villa fan who wanted to complain about the standard of refereeing.  The lad got ranted at by Fletcher so that the official 606 line could be rammed home, namely  Villa are shit  Villa are doomed.

We have got a lot of that coming our way so brace yourselves for it
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Post by: charlie on April 01, 2012, 04:51:14 PM
The 606 interview was disgusting and the lad had a good point regarding Terry cheating,[but what do you expect], sadly the notion of other managers being interested in summertime 2012, whichever league we end up in, is pointless............ we are stuck with he who doesnt know what the Eck he is doing. He does look worse for wear, far too happy to accept poor play and the superiority of others. He is clearly not fit for purpose. He is too bloody thick skinned or just too bloody thick to walk away, and the board are far too pig headed to sack him. Back in the Autumn I posted the expectation of him gaining 3 relegations in 4 years, and I was told that I was wrong. He is no bloody good as a Villa manager, he should go now even, but it wont happen, and we will be either down or scarily close to being down.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on April 01, 2012, 04:53:44 PM
I think our stock is poor now,people like Rodgers and Lambert would rather stay where they are for another year or two, continue to build and wait till a job bigger than ours come's along,which is a sad state,but its where we are right now.

 You couldnt guarantee that Lerner and Faulkner would offer them a job anyway,probably Roeder and Steve Bruce would be on their managerial radar.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 01, 2012, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 01, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
And that's all down to Randy. I feel like he has completely belittled this club,forcing us all to downgrade our expectations. The Ferguson letter was the icing on the cake A club with an inferiority complex and a manager that tells us we can't compete with his words and actions week in week out
Well said.
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Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
I sense that McLueless is with us for a while yet; it'll take some unlikely re-shaping of the Villa board - with the addition of some genuinely footie-knowledgeable people on it - to change this.
I too think that Rodgers and Lambert are likely to stick with what they've got unless an opportunity arises with a club likely to be challenging for stuff next season.
If we were to clear McLueless and his entourage out, I'd suggest Poyet or Nigel Adkins as 'hot' candidates.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

One of the plus points of this appointment is the board would really have to go some to make an even worse one next time.

Make a chart of all the managers outside of the elite clubs in the top 4/5 foreign leagues, stick a pin in it and chances are you'll get a better candidate than McLeish.

Probably not the most thorough or scientific way of selecting a manager, true.  But it's about as credible as Lerner's rationale. Namely, that the wee ginger scab had always said nice things about the club whilst B-lose manager.  And Fergie likes him.
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Post by: Monty on April 01, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:59:56 AM
If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

One of the plus points of this appointment is the board would really have to go some to make an even worse one next time.

Make a chart of all the managers outside of the elite clubs in the top 4/5 foreign leagues, stick a pin in it and chances are you'll get a better candidate than McLeish.

Probably not the most thorough or scientific way of selecting a manager, true.  But it's about as credible as Lerner's rationale. Namely, that the wee ginger scab had always said nice things about the club whilst B-lose manager.  And Fergie likes him.

I'd look at German candidates. A fair few good, young-ish, progressive, forward thinking managers there. Obviously the big 2, Klopp and Low, are out of our reach, but there are others. And their English is likely to be very good as well.
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Post by: villadelph on April 01, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
Unless there's another magical shot up to 9th I can't see Randy sticking with McLiesh now. There needs to be a mass uprising if you all want something to be done. These 500 man protests are child's play.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 05:31:45 PM
German or Dutch would be the obvious ones.

But even a manager/ coach of a mid ranking>lower half French side will probably have a better grasp of tactics, defensive organisation and so forth.    Our vulnerability from set pieces hasn't improved this year.  Post match, McLeish has often said there's not much else he could have done.  And I for one believe him. He's probably operating at the very top of his game, stretching every sinew when it comes to imagination and inspiration. But it's still nowhere near good enough.  So we don't need to look hard for reasons to fire him. He's virtually talked himself out of the job these past few weeks.  At any normal club anyroad.
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Post by: MonsXI on April 01, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 01, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
Unless there's another magical shot up to 9th I can't see Randy sticking with McLiesh now. There needs to be a mass uprising if you all want something to be done. These 500 man protests are child's play.

Really? I think Lerner will be pretty happy with staying up and the reduction in wage bill for last year to this. Let's face it Lerner didn't bring in Mcleish to push for Europe, he knows that Mcleish won't moan about lack of funds and he'll keep trotting out in front of the press ruing our bad luck etc. Also with Mcleish being hated by so many fans he take the heat of Lerner and Faulkner who have been downgrading the ambitions of the club for a few years.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2012, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 05:31:45 PM
German or Dutch would be the obvious ones.

But even a manager/ coach of a mid ranking>lower half French side will probably have a better grasp of tactics, defensive organisation and so forth.    Our vulnerability from set pieces hasn't improved this year.  Post match, McLeish has often said there's not much else he could have done.  And I for one believe him. He's probably operating at the very top of his game, stretching every sinew when it comes to imagination and inspiration. But it's still nowhere near good enough.  So we don't need to look hard for reasons to fire him. He's virtually talked himself out of the job these past few weeks.  At any normal club anyroad.

The set piece thing is as much a mystery as it is a disaster. McLeish's defence was never this bad at Blues, but then again he bought both of those CB's. You would think he could transfer this to the current lot, but maybe now.

Agree on possible places to look for new coaches. I certainly am not advocating just British talent if something better or equivalent exists on the continent.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2012, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 01, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.

We haven't managed to tempt anybody in a decent job the last two times, and things are now even worse on the financial front.  It's nice to look at things through rose-tinted spectacles when it comes to Villa, but the reality is we're not seen as a big club by most people any more. 

Not looking at through rose tinted glasses at all. Attracting Paul Lambert or a Brendan Rodgers or some up and comer from thr continent isn't the same as getting a Villas-Boas. We're certainly in the category below from that perspective. But to those types of manager we'd be an attractive option. Just because you are pissed off with the current board, doesn't mean those within the game would consider us toxic at all. We'll have to disagree on the Houllier appointment then as well. He was a very established name within the game and irrespective of how the hiring took place, it was still a good acheievement by the club given the season had already begun.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards plan was?

Me too. This season is reminiscent of 05-06 under O'Dreary and Ellis. I think we'd have gone down the following season if the takeover hadn't occured.

McLeish should be sent packing in the summer. The sad thing is I don't have much faith in Randy coming up with a better alternative.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:34:14 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 05:31:45 PM
German or Dutch would be the obvious ones.

But even a manager/ coach of a mid ranking>lower half French side will probably have a better grasp of tactics, defensive organisation and so forth.    Our vulnerability from set pieces hasn't improved this year.  Post match, McLeish has often said there's not much else he could have done.  And I for one believe him. He's probably operating at the very top of his game, stretching every sinew when it comes to imagination and inspiration. But it's still nowhere near good enough.  So we don't need to look hard for reasons to fire him. He's virtually talked himself out of the job these past few weeks.  At any normal club anyroad.

The set piece thing is as much a mystery as it is a disaster. McLeish's defence was never this bad at Blues, but then again he bought both of those CB's. You would think he could transfer this to the current lot, but maybe now.

Agree on possible places to look for new coaches. I certainly am not advocating just British talent if something better or equivalent exists on the continent.

The second corner we conceded from yesterday was a complete shambles.

IMO Heskey was brought on at 2-2 to protect us from Chelsea pushing to win the game through corners and high balls.

Remember when Carew was here. He always used to stand by the near post and would flick away any low flying corners from the opposition.

I expected Heskey to be in that position but instead he ended up towards the back post (watch this again tonight). Ivanovic's header just crept inside the near post aswell. If someone had been on the line, they'd have headed it away.

That's what I don't get about McLeish. He gets panned for being defensive but all season we've given away cheap goals from corners through basic marking.

McLeish commented on this in mid October when we lost to Man. City and lost two goals from corners. Five months later and it's still costing us games.

He really needs to get the boot, the football is joyless and the negative defensive things that are supposed to be his forte, he's crap at.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
I don't think it is being defensive that McLeish gets panned for, it is being negative.

if he were being defensive, you'd think he'd have some idea how to make it work. For all his use of Heskey in situations as described above, how many times has it actually worked? Has it ever worked?
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Post by: Legion on April 01, 2012, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
I don't think it is being defensive that McLeish gets panned for, it is being negative.

Agreed. Boring, sterile football.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 01, 2012, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
I don't think it is being defensive that McLeish gets panned for, it is being negative.

Agreed. Boring, sterile football.

Which is exactly what we all knew we'd get this season, and what we know we will get next season, too.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 01, 2012, 07:42:02 PM
The side looks very unadventureous, as i've said before, the creative players seem to be unwilling to roam out of what seems a pre ordained zone worked out for them by the coaching staff.

Why can everybody see what a disaster it all is except for Eckythump and Blandy Lerner?
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Post by: MonsXI on April 01, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 01, 2012, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
I don't think it is being defensive that McLeish gets panned for, it is being negative.

Agreed. Boring, sterile football.

Precisely, I'd take being on the same points in the same position if we we're trying to play some decent attacking football but we're not and lets face it nobodies surprised.
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Post by: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 07:44:04 PM
Correct he must go he has not improved what has been going wrong all season so i have to ask what is he doing on the  training ground ?how he got the job is a mystery!
However his confidence can't be great at the moment as this is a bit similar to when he took the Blues down with a bit of a push he may jump......fingers crossed
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:49:42 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 07:44:04 PM
Correct he must go he has not improved what has been going wrong all season so i have to ask what is he doing on the  training ground ?how he got the job is a mystery!
However his confidence can't be great at the moment as this is a bit similar to when he took the Blues down with a bit of a push he may jump......fingers crossed

He only resigned from SHA as he couldn't believe his luck we wanted him so it was an amazing escape opportunity. Otherwise he'd have stayed, they'd have probably been knocked out of europe early and been mid table in the championshp and he'd have been sacked by now there.

There's no prospect of a better side than us wanting him this summer so he'll be staying until told otherwise.
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Post by: Legion on April 01, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
Who would want him?
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Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:34:14 PM


He really needs to get the boot, the football is joyless and the negative defensive things that are supposed to be his forte, he's crap at.

In a nutshell, Soccer.

If his preferred method was in any way effective I'd just about wear it. Though I might be tempted to spoon my own eyeballs out.

But he has the team playing in a defensive straightjacket and they are STILL woeful at defending.  Get rid ASAP.
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Post by: MonsXI on April 01, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 01, 2012, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:34:14 PM


He really needs to get the boot, the football is joyless and the negative defensive things that are supposed to be his forte, he's crap at.

In a nutshell, Soccer.

If his preferred method was in any way effective I'd just about wear it. Though I might be tempted to spoon my own eyeballs out.

But he has the team playing in a defensive straightjacket and they are STILL woeful at defending.  Get rid ASAP.

For a team to be so negative yet still so poor in defence is puzzling but it seems Mcleish has got it down to a T.
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Post by: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
I just hope and pray that Randy has a plan, going to wait till safe then dispatch him,frankly I would dispatch now!! He is no benefit to us with what he is doing out there and he clearly can't keep a team up he has tried and failed twice
Why can't the board see this!!!!! FFS!!!
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Post by: Legion on April 01, 2012, 07:59:46 PM
Perhaps they can, but our owner does not?
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Post by: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 08:03:25 PM
I've never felt so sad being a Villa fan, 42years of it and this to me is the worse I've felt
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Post by: Hoppo on April 01, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
Ive started drinking in The Boot In Lapworth just to try and spot him and plead with him to resign.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 01, 2012, 08:24:33 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
I just hope and pray that Randy has a plan
Not a chance.
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Post by: Legion on April 01, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
I think he used to, but it's all gone pear-shaped and he has possibly lost interest.
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Post by: Cuz on April 01, 2012, 08:27:15 PM
Im praying and hoping Rip Van
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Post by: MonsXI on April 01, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Randys plan is to stay out of Birmingham and Cleveland as much as possible.
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Post by: Risso on April 01, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 06:59:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 01, 2012, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 01, 2012, 03:32:56 PM
Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.

We haven't managed to tempt anybody in a decent job the last two times, and things are now even worse on the financial front.  It's nice to look at things through rose-tinted spectacles when it comes to Villa, but the reality is we're not seen as a big club by most people any more. 

Not looking at through rose tinted glasses at all. Attracting Paul Lambert or a Brendan Rodgers or some up and comer from thr continent isn't the same as getting a Villas-Boas. We're certainly in the category below from that perspective. But to those types of manager we'd be an attractive option. Just because you are pissed off with the current board, doesn't mean those within the game would consider us toxic at all. We'll have to disagree on the Houllier appointment then as well. He was a very established name within the game and irrespective of how the hiring took place, it was still a good acheievement by the club given the season had already begun.

Houllier was in near retirement in the French FA, and hadn't had a proper job in three years.  If we were that attractive a proposition, why haven't we got one of those managers?  Even Martinez preferred to stay at Wigan.  The holy grail for newly promoted teams is staying up that first season.  Once they crack that, they can then set about improving things and spending money as Stoke have shown.  They would maybe come if there was a realistic chance of taking us back up the table, but even if McLeish leaves, all we've got to look forward to is more player sales, and no cash to spend.  Under the clueless Lerner and Faulkner, we've no vision or plan for the future, and that's hardly going to get the brightest young managers in the game beating a path to our door.
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Post by: London Villan on April 01, 2012, 08:34:24 PM
Another chat with a steward yesterday who told us the Asian oil money takeover story. Apparently it's happening in the summer... Would be great if it was true, but I'll believe it when I see it...
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Post by: brian green on April 01, 2012, 08:42:43 PM
I have always thought the silence which shrouds everything which happens at VP is evidence that there are contractual secrets we know nothing about.   I suspected that the O'Neill flounce was contract related and the size of the compo the club coughed up without a word of defence only heightened my suspicions.

Now the deafening silence about everything which is happening to us and not one single word of reassurance or support for the loyal fans from the owner, just silence, leads me to suspect that McLeish has a contract which has a no sacking no resignation clause in it and a bonus clause for premiership survival and a further bonus for the amount by which the wages bill is reduced.

It is a contract drawn up in the aftermath of costing 12 million pounds to get O'Neill and Houllier off our backs and replace them with the incumbent millstone.   Faulkner has convinced Lerner that in future every Villa manager is going to have his pay performance linked and that does not mean football performance it means financial.

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Post by: hawkeye on April 01, 2012, 08:54:12 PM
Nothing would Surprise me Brian, these guys have proved themselves to be incompetant in almost every way concerning the running of a football club. As I have said many times the only way things will change is because of Financial concerns, ie Signing Bent to avoid relegation.
I really do believe that the only chance of change is if ST sales are truly awful or new owners.
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Post by: Irish villain on April 01, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards plan was?

Me too. This season is reminiscent of 05-06 under O'Dreary and Ellis. I think we'd have gone down the following season if the takeover hadn't occured.

McLeish should be sent packing in the summer. The sad thing is I don't have much faith in Randy coming up with a better alternative.

As I've said before, I think this is much worse. At least there was leadership back then, even if it was out of date and almost laughable. The lack of fight, spirit and leadership at all levels of the club today is frightening. It's like there is nobody at the helm, anywhere. We are drifting into oblivion and nobody seems to care.

Shame on you Randy for the way you have screwed us over for the past twelve months. Shame on you and Faulkner for inflicting this manager on us and for taking no responsibility for your pathetic decision making.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: ozzjim on April 01, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
We had Steve Stride back then who we could well do with around the place now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: brian green on April 01, 2012, 09:37:46 PM
We used to accuse Doug of being like Meg out of Crossroads but at least he was a communicator.   A vain, curmudgeonly communicator I agree but however bad it got we never had this feeling that Aston Villa was the Marie Celeste, devoid of human habitation and adrift without reason.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 01, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 01, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards plan was?

Me too. This season is reminiscent of 05-06 under O'Dreary and Ellis. I think we'd have gone down the following season if the takeover hadn't occured.

McLeish should be sent packing in the summer. The sad thing is I don't have much faith in Randy coming up with a better alternative.

As I've said before, I think this is much worse. At least there was leadership back then, even if it was out of date and almost laughable. The lack of fight, spirit and leadership at all levels of the club today is frightening. It's like there is nobody at the helm, anywhere. We are drifting into oblivion and nobody seems to care.

Shame on you Randy for the way you have screwed us over for the past twelve months. Shame on you and Faulkner for inflicting this manager on us and for taking no responsibility for your pathetic decision making.

Also, whilst things were going down hill under Doug, at least he realised that he needed to sell up, and left us while we were still vaguely saleable.  Lerner has crippled us financially, so finding a new owner would be exceedingly difficult, unless they are the oft-quoted "oil billionaire".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villadelph on April 01, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on April 01, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 01, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
Unless there's another magical shot up to 9th I can't see Randy sticking with McLiesh now. There needs to be a mass uprising if you all want something to be done. These 500 man protests are child's play.

Really? I think Lerner will be pretty happy with staying up and the reduction in wage bill for last year to this. Let's face it Lerner didn't bring in Mcleish to push for Europe, he knows that Mcleish won't moan about lack of funds and he'll keep trotting out in front of the press ruing our bad luck etc. Also with Mcleish being hated by so many fans he take the heat of Lerner and Faulkner who have been downgrading the ambitions of the club for a few years.

Lerner is certainly one for complacency. He preaches financial stability to no end yet this managerial dent in his pocket ie. McLeish's compensation, is the most ridiculous financial decision since Beye's contract negotiations. You can't turn around a financial hole without proper attendances and commercial merchandizing, both of which are going to be serious low points at the club next year. Bosman's won't bring the hope or fill the seats, and the little loyalty amongst the supporters still left for McLeish will have worn too thin.

I've thought all year that McLeish was safe no matter what, but there's no such thing as a one-year contract for an American businessman, two is the lowest. Or else the manager in charge will have no hope or motivation to improve for the next campaign. It's easy to give the sack, it's even easier to pretend you back the manager.

These next few fixtures are going to be a rough ride, fully showing our inability to perform no matter the line up. McLeish will be exposed and left for dead, Randy will have no choice. Villa Park won't see over 25k on a good day.

Randy's dumb, but hopefully not that dumb.
Title: Missed the boat.
Post by: TonyD on April 01, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
A month ago had RL sacked AM we might have got Brendan Rodgers.

Is he now out of grasp/league  in the summer?
Title: Re: Missed the boat.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
I'm merging this into the McLeish thread, it doesn't really need another one, there seem to be three or four new AM threads every day
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Post by: NeilH on April 02, 2012, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 01, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
We had Steve Stride back then who we could well do with around the place now



Oh for Steve Stride back at the club right now. A proper football business man, who understand the game and the decisions that had to be made as part of it.

I am getting increasingly uneasy with the feeling that under Doug we were simply better off. For all those times I protested against Doug, for all those times I bemoaned his thrift and steadiness I now feel that a fair amount of schadenfreude is being exacted upon me and many other Villa fans.... Hell if Doug were in charge now we’d be up in arms with pitchforks and torches descending on VP.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Irish villain on April 02, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
How long before Randy out protests start? Would it take relegation?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 02, 2012, 09:36:16 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 02, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
How long before Randy out protests start? Would it take relegation?
He seems amazingly fireproof.

Eckythump's inability at the job has taken a lot of the heat off him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on April 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Randy has made one big mistake, thats all, he has to be given a chance to put that right.

in my view Mcliesh will have to go and then its up to Lerner to get the next appointment right, if he does that we should be OK
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Randy has made one big mistake, thats all, he has to be given a chance to put that right.

in my view Mcliesh will have to go and then its up to Lerner to get the next appointment right, if he does that we should be OK

No he hasn't John, he's made a whole host of huge mistakes that we're going to be paying for for years to come.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on April 02, 2012, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 02, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Randy has made one big mistake, thats all, he has to be given a chance to put that right.

in my view Mcliesh will have to go and then its up to Lerner to get the next appointment right, if he does that we should be OK

No he hasn't John, he's made a whole host of huge mistakes that we're going to be paying for for years to come.
Quote from: Risso on April 02, 2012, 10:13:57 AM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
Randy has made one big mistake, thats all, he has to be given a chance to put that right.

in my view Mcliesh will have to go and then its up to Lerner to get the next appointment right, if he does that we should be OK

No he hasn't John, he's made a whole host of huge mistakes that we're going to be paying for for years to come.


i think with the event of a decent manager a lot of the other 'problems' melt away, Mcliesh was just such a bad decision that it makes everything else look all the worse

i know we have financial problems, so has most of the teams in the prem, including some at the top end, football has been living beyond its means for years now and at least Lerner has recognised that now and is doing something about it.

when he first came he gave MON to much control that was nieve, but he will learn his lesson from that.
Houllier was a risk, but one worth taking, it didnt work out through health problems, randy cant be blamed for that.

Mcliesh is the big blunder, massive in fact, if he puts that right soon, i still think we can be OK. but he does need to act, i think he will, but obviously time will tell on that one

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

I honestly don't think it is even going to pan out like that, John.

He's clearly bought into the notion of McLeish as our manager, and he's also all about recouping his investment, which is why, although we'll bring players in, most of them will be Bosmans.

I think anyone expecting big money transfer business at Villa Park in the summer is going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: john e on April 02, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.


yes i agree,
 and my point is that if he sacks Mcliesh and brings in a better more forward thinking manager things could be a lot better next season, just in terms of better football, entertainment,  general atmosphere around the place, it all depends on the next appointment and if and when it comes
i'm still willing to back Randy at the moment, i hope my faith in him is not misplaced,
 i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2012, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

I honestly don't think it is even going to pan out like that, John.

He's clearly bought into the notion of McLeish as our manager, and he's also all about recouping his investment, which is why, although we'll bring players in, most of them will be Bosmans.

I think anyone expecting big money transfer business at Villa Park in the summer is going to be disappointed.

I think we'll only spend money if we sell off players first, eg flog Bent for say £16m, buy someone like Zamora for £6m etc.  Of course if we do go down, any half decent player will be trying to leave, and we'll be properly banjaxed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 10:32:21 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:25:11 AM
The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

I honestly don't think it is even going to pan out like that, John.

He's clearly bought into the notion of McLeish as our manager, and he's also all about recouping his investment, which is why, although we'll bring players in, most of them will be Bosmans.

I think anyone expecting big money transfer business at Villa Park in the summer is going to be disappointed.

Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.

But yes, I'd also like to see him free up some funds.  He did it with Bent as the alternative would cost the club more and I think we'll face that same situation again in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.


I don't really see how this constitutes backing him, though - if we're losing players at the end of their contracts, then they'll be off the wage bill.

Letting him get a few Bosmans (who aren't going to work for free, as you said) in is the very least the chairman can do in the circumstances.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 11:09:11 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 10:42:30 AM
Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.


I don't really see how this constitutes backing him, though - if we're losing players at the end of their contracts, then they'll be off the wage bill.

Letting him get a few Bosmans (who aren't going to work for free, as you said) in is the very least the chairman can do in the circumstances.

I also want us to lose players not at the end of their contracts, so we will have to pay to go given their high wages.

And we then get Bosmans good enough to command decent wages, meaning we add more than we lose to the overall wagebill.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: TonyD on April 01, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
A month ago had RL sacked AM we might have got Brendan Rodgers.

Is he now out of grasp/league  in the summer?

He signed a new, improved, three and a half year contract a few months back. He's going no where.

One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 02, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 02, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson

Is Mrs Wilkinson one of their advisors?
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Post by: aev on April 02, 2012, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 02, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 02, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson

Is Mrs Wilkinson one of their advisors?

I hear she has written a glowing letter of endorsement for Mr W.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
It's an interesting point though - who would replace him? 

The 'top name' managers would want funds to work with, which they're unlikely to get to level they'd want, so it's a level down from that.  The likes of Rodgers and Lambert may similarly be put off.

Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 02, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 
Probably Mick Mills, or a promotion for our chief scout, the wonderful Glenn Roeder.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 02, 2012, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider

I get excited when I read this sort of stuff because it means that then maybe there could be a plan afterall, that maybe we've all been willing saps completely taken in by the genius of Randy and maybe he could be on the verge of selling to a Gazillionaire who knows all about the Villa, football and has lined up Jose Mouriniho to start work on the 1st July.

Maybe.......



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 02, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 02, 2012, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider

I get excited when I read this sort of stuff because it means that then maybe there could be a plan afterall, that maybe we've all been willing saps completely taken in by the genius of Randy and maybe he could be on the verge of selling to a Gazillionaire who knows all about the Villa, football and has lined up Jose Mouriniho to start work on the 1st July.

Maybe.......

The Venkey's are Gazillionaires as are the current owners of QPR.........be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villanic on April 02, 2012, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 
Probably Mick Mills, or a promotion for our chief scout, the wonderful Glenn Roeder.

It’ll be who ever Alex Ferguson tells Randy it should be in a letter that Randy will then spunk over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on April 02, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
The who will we get instead argument drives me mad.

It's a worldwide sport with thousands of professional coaches and managers, finding one who will get us playing decent football for less wages and with links to bring in a few decent players really isn't that hard.

Look top half of the league in holland, sweden, norway, france, belgium - you'll find 10-15 good managers in amongst that lot, most earning less than a quarter of what McLeish is on.  We need to get away from the premier league experience restriction, but as UK based fans of course we, the fans, are going to look at UK based managers and see very few decent options, the club should be much more capable of conducting a thorough search.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 02, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
Ralf Rangnick would be my choice. Bet we could pay him more than Leverkusen are offering (which they presumably are). Plays entertaining football, successful, bit of a nut, will make things fun around VP again. Or maybe Robin Dutt, just sacked by Leverkusen. Great tactician and producer of aesthetic football, he lost the dressing room a bit like AVB, but he's recognised this and is definitely young enough, and methodical enough, to learn from this mistake.
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Post by: andyh on April 02, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 02, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
The who will we get instead argument drives me mad.

It's a worldwide sport with thousands of professional coaches and managers, finding one who will get us playing decent football for less wages and with links to bring in a few decent players really isn't that hard.

Look top half of the league in holland, sweden, norway, france, belgium - you'll find 10-15 good managers in amongst that lot, most earning less than a quarter of what McLeish is on.  We need to get away from the premier league experience restriction, but as UK based fans of course we, the fans, are going to look at UK based managers and see very few decent options, the club should be much more capable of conducting a thorough search.

Great post.
One that should be quoted out everytime someone spouts, 'but we can't get rid of him because there is no-one to replace him with'. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 02, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
It's correct there are so many options out there. I could probably throw a stone from here and hit a better manager. However our board's ludicrous requirements rule out pretty much anyone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 02, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
Me too, and I'm in the back garden with the cat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 02, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 02, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
The who will we get instead argument drives me mad.

It's a worldwide sport with thousands of professional coaches and managers, finding one who will get us playing decent football for less wages and with links to bring in a few decent players really isn't that hard.

Look top half of the league in holland, sweden, norway, france, belgium - you'll find 10-15 good managers in amongst that lot, most earning less than a quarter of what McLeish is on.  We need to get away from the premier league experience restriction, but as UK based fans of course we, the fans, are going to look at UK based managers and see very few decent options, the club should be much more capable of conducting a thorough search.

Great post.
One that should be quoted out everytime someone spouts, 'but we can't get rid of him because there is no-one to replace him with'.

The question isn't asked as there are no good managers out there, but rather in relation to who would take the job?

Yes, we could pay more than, for example, a Dutch manager would earn in Holland.  However, if he wishes to guard his reputation, then would he accept the job where the prime consideration is cost cutting?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Bring in Glenn Hoddle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 02, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Bring in Glenn Hoddle.
Cue mass exodus of wheelchairs.

I wouldn't give him a job selling Balti pies.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Bring in Glenn Hoddle.
Cue mass exodus of wheelchairs.

I wouldn't give him a job selling Balti pies.

His record stands up and be would be great for our youngsters.

Eileen could help the disabled section, but I am not sure about the pie sales, not after the pasty tax is brought into play.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
Hoddle was a good manager, but the England job ruined him. 

I also think it's unfair to judge his football credentials on his religous views, however strange we may find them. 
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Post by: RonBurgundy on April 02, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
What i still struggle to get my head around in the current context of cost cutting is not only the monumental sums swallowed up by the severing of ties with MON and Houllier plus the costs of extracating our current unmentionable; but the fact he is the 20th highest paid manager in the world!
It keeps going round in my head - why he is so well paid, what on earth has he done to deserve such a wedge.

I think it shows Randy will invest heavily in certain times and key positions - but my goodness how incredibly misjudged this one has been. Given his experience with MON, how much he seems to like McLeish and how much he will pay him - i think he's really bought into him as a manager and as a man.

I fear he will remain the captain of this sinking ship. We are merely the string quartet playing on whilst the life rafts fill up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2012, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
Hoddle was a good manager, but the England job ruined him. 

I also think it's unfair to judge his football credentials on his religous views, however strange we may find them. 

It's not so much about his religious views, it was the fact that it influenced his job - he sent the players individually to that mental Eileen woman who was his svengali. He also made some truly disgraceful comments about the disabled.

That touches on his job, because it shows a real lack of judgement in a high profile industry.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: RonBurgundy on April 02, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
I fear he will remain the captain of this sinking ship. We are merely the string quartet playing on whilst the life rafts fill up.

You were watching Titanic last night, weren't you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:07:04 PM

I also think it's unfair to judge his football credentials on his religous views, however strange we may find them. 

I don't.  I wouldn't give the job to somebody who came out with racist views, so why should somebody who makes offensive remarks about disabled people get away with it.  The logical extension of Hoddle's comments is that anybody with an illness or disability is paying for their deeds in a previous life, so that includes people like our very own Petrov.  I'm not a fan of McLeish as you may have gathered, but at least he's just a shit football manager.  Hoddle for me is as offensive as KKKenny.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 02, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
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I also think it's unfair to judge his football credentials on his religous views, however strange we may find them

I think his views were a bit more than just strange - they were offensive.

If I was a disabled Villa fan, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel knowing that my manager thinks that the reason I am disabled is because I committed a sin in a previous life.
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Post by: RonBurgundy on April 02, 2012, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:19:57 PM
Quote from: RonBurgundy on April 02, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
I fear he will remain the captain of this sinking ship. We are merely the string quartet playing on whilst the life rafts fill up.

You were watching Titanic last night, weren't you?


Thankfully i wasn't, but the feckin thing is everywhere on telly and the cinema so my subconscious is being lazy.
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Post by: Concrete John on April 02, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
Well, I might be alone in the view, and certainly don't agree with his beliefs, but the Eileen Drewry thing wasn't why he lost his job with England - the disabled/past life stuff was.  If you look at some of the religous threads in the Off Topic section, people can get offended by the idea of someone praying for them.  If an England manager said he would be remembering (easy example as it's recent) Petrov in his prayers, should he lose his job over it?

I think not, as we can't say we live in a society with religous freedom and then say someone should lose their job over what they believe.   
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 02, 2012, 04:37:15 PM
sorry, not sure what happened there
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
I would get rid of the traditional manager role completely.  Appoint Southgate to continue his England role but with Villa (also to work alongside the board) and appoint a coach to run the first team.  All parties should  have a shared vision of how football should be played and the club should be structured in a way to facilitate that vision.

Sounds daft but you could even get Cruff in as a consultant like that Mexican team have done (or Klinnsman in Canada?).  They could easily advise someone like Southgate on how the lower levels of the club should be structured.  Whereas at the moment he'd be talking to Faulkner (not a football man) or McLeish who'd see it as a threat to his job.
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Post by: Risso on April 02, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
Well, I might be alone in the view, and certainly don't agree with his beliefs, but the Eileen Drewry thing wasn't why he lost his job with England - the disabled/past life stuff was.  If you look at some of the religous threads in the Off Topic section, people can get offended by the idea of someone praying for them.  If an England manager said he would be remembering (easy example as it's recent) Petrov in his prayers, should he lose his job over it?

I think not, as we can't say we live in a society with religous freedom and then say someone should lose their job over what they believe.   

You're missing the point.  He's free to believe what he likes, but when it tips over into being offensive about disabled people then he can expect to lose his job.  Just like we have freedom of speech, but Suarez was banned for making racist comments.  It's not that hard a concept is it?
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Post by: villadelph on April 02, 2012, 05:10:30 PM
If the Board don't put pressure on him his motivation to succeed will never rise. Put his head on the chopping block an force this square to get results. This lackadaisical approach, and blaming hard luck is nonsense. You couldn't see off a League 1 side, Alex. Get it together, you've had thirty games and no where within this span has this club showed any signs of improvement.

You don't know how to win, simple as.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 02, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 02, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 02, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
The who will we get instead argument drives me mad.

It's a worldwide sport with thousands of professional coaches and managers, finding one who will get us playing decent football for less wages and with links to bring in a few decent players really isn't that hard.

Look top half of the league in holland, sweden, norway, france, belgium - you'll find 10-15 good managers in amongst that lot, most earning less than a quarter of what McLeish is on.  We need to get away from the premier league experience restriction, but as UK based fans of course we, the fans, are going to look at UK based managers and see very few decent options, the club should be much more capable of conducting a thorough search.

Great post.
One that should be quoted out everytime someone spouts, 'but we can't get rid of him because there is no-one to replace him with'. 

+1
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Post by: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 06:23:08 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 02, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:07:04 PM

I also think it's unfair to judge his football credentials on his religous views, however strange we may find them. 

I don't.  I wouldn't give the job to somebody who came out with racist views, so why should somebody who makes offensive remarks about disabled people get away with it.  The logical extension of Hoddle's comments is that anybody with an illness or disability is paying for their deeds in a previous life, so that includes people like our very own Petrov.  I'm not a fan of McLeish as you may have gathered, but at least he's just a shit football manager.  Hoddle for me is as offensive as KKKenny.

You may not agree with his views but you cannot prove if they were correct or not, nor can he.

His views may seem incredibly difficult to comprehend but so is all religion.

I don't agree with Christianity but I wouldn't deny the club an opportunity of employing a good manager because of my personal beliefs, or not as the case may be.

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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 02, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
I'd rather not have him here upsetting the Raspberries and sprinkling crystals on the pitch.

I also don't think our players would take too kindly to his methods.

'Ah Richard Dunne, I can see from your aura that you eat cake.'
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Post by: Legion on April 02, 2012, 06:35:02 PM
Ah, he has a degree in stating the bleeding obvious!
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Post by: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
I'd rather not have him here upsetting the Raspberries and sprinkling crystals on the pitch.

I also don't think our players would take too kindly to his methods.

'Ah Richard Dunne, I can see from your aura that you eat cake.'

Richard I can see into your spirit, unfortunately it comes in 25ml measures and is accompanied by a pint of lager and precedes a kebab.
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Post by: john e on April 02, 2012, 07:00:14 PM
i think he may have had a change of heart with his beliefs, you dont hear him sounding of anymore,
think it may have been just a funny phaze he was going through
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Post by: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 07:00:14 PM
i think he may have had a change of heart with his beliefs, you dont hear him sounding of anymore,
think it may have been just a funny phaze he was going through

Maybe he was paying the price for his errors in a former life?
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Post by: john e on April 02, 2012, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: john e on April 02, 2012, 07:00:14 PM
i think he may have had a change of heart with his beliefs, you dont hear him sounding of anymore,
think it may have been just a funny phaze he was going through

Maybe he was paying the price for his errors in a former life?


you mean the 'Mullet'
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 02, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
The problem with Hoddle is that all those players in the mid '90s really respected him because they grew up watching him.  The kids playing now just remember him as that nutter who did OK at France '98 and then went batshit crazy.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 02, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
well if the handicapped are being punished for sins in a previous life then what the hell did we do? mebbe the entire Villa support are reborn SS Stormtroopers....
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on April 02, 2012, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 02, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
well if the handicapped are being punished for sins in a previous life then what the hell did we do? mebbe the entire Villa support are reborn SS Stormtroopers....

I must have been Skeletor or something...
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Post by: Ads on April 02, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
His future will continue unfortunately. There are a wealth of appalling statistics, performances and tactical absurdities that you can throw at the man, but its his ability to sap the soul out of the club that it's the most startling factor.

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Post by: mattjpa on April 02, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Bring in Glenn Hoddle.
Cue mass exodus of wheelchairs.

I wouldn't give him a job selling Balti pies.

His record stands up and be would be great for our youngsters.

Eileen could help the disabled section, but I am not sure about the pie sales, not after the pasty tax is brought into play.

Ive been thinking Hoddle would be a great fit. Inspiing name, his teams play good football too
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Post by: Louzie0 on April 02, 2012, 08:39:06 PM
Just read McL's comments in the Indie, about Villa's luck.  He reckons he must have killed an albatross.

One of the more poetically erudite reflections by a PL manager after a run of dodgy results. 

Given this indication that our manager can reference significant literary quotations at need, I'm crossing my fingers for a 'once more into the breach!' moment, soon, and an appropriate result.  ( we win!) 

Note to Alex - Let's not go anywhere near -

http://www.nationalcenter.org/ChargeoftheLightBrigade.html

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Post by: London Villan on April 02, 2012, 08:43:18 PM
You make your own luck Alex... Letting in god knows how many goals from corners isn't bad luck, it's bad organisation. Having our worst home record for years isn't bad luck, it's the wrong tactics, wrong selections and poor communication with the players.

Blaming everything from injuries, the players, luck and albatrosses isn't bad luck it's failing to take the responsibility that comes with a £2m a year job.
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Post by: Holte L2 on April 02, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
The next Manager that comes in needs to be somebody with a long-term plan to move the club forward. Somebody young and hungry to prove himself. I'd go for somebody like Poyet, Solskjear or Laursen (started coaching in Denmark) with a good advisor on the board.
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Post by: Cuz on April 02, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
Spare us Alex Luck!!!!
You are not doing your job properly on the training field.....how many goals have we given away to set pieces
Go!!! You are an incompitant coach who has taken a team down twice already
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 02, 2012, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on April 02, 2012, 08:32:54 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 02, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Bring in Glenn Hoddle.
Cue mass exodus of wheelchairs.

I wouldn't give him a job selling Balti pies.

His record stands up and be would be great for our youngsters.

Eileen could help the disabled section, but I am not sure about the pie sales, not after the pasty tax is brought into play.

Ive been thinking Hoddle would be a great fit. Inspiing name, his teams play good football too

i dont think the dingles took to him much
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Post by: villadelph on April 03, 2012, 01:44:11 AM
Is Steve Coppell out of the question.. he had some decent free-flowing football with Reading for a campaign or two if I remember correctly.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2012, 02:00:54 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 02, 2012, 10:15:59 PM
The next Manager that comes in needs to be somebody with a long-term plan to move the club forward. Somebody young and hungry to prove himself. I'd go for somebody like Poyet, Solskjear or Laursen (started coaching in Denmark) with a good advisor on the board.

Solskjear is a good shout.  From what I have read he was always a very diligent student of the game.  Whether he'd be able to summon any sort of fear in the players in questionable though, but a Larsen along side him could do the shouting.
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Post by: wookster on April 03, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
According to todays Sun, it's GODs fault

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ALEX McLEISH believes 'the gods are conspiring' against Aston Villa this season.
 
The Villa boss has failed to win over the fans as his side hover just above the relegation battle.

He has also been hit by injuries to key players in a year the club announced a £54million loss. And the news Stiliyan Petrov has leukaemia is the latest blow.

Big Eck said: "The gods are conspiring against us. I think I've shot an albatross or something. But Stiliyan's situation can motivate the players."
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Post by: eastie on April 03, 2012, 07:32:00 AM
Doubt rogers or lambert could be tempted here but hoddle would be a vast improvement on the current clown in the hotseat.
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Post by: Nev on April 03, 2012, 07:39:08 AM
Quote from: wookster on April 03, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
According to todays Sun, it's GODs fault

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ALEX McLEISH believes 'the gods are conspiring' against Aston Villa this season.
 
The Villa boss has failed to win over the fans as his side hover just above the relegation battle.

He has also been hit by injuries to key players in a year the club announced a £54million loss. And the news Stiliyan Petrov has leukaemia is the latest blow.

Big Eck said: "The gods are conspiring against us. I think I've shot an albatross or something. But Stiliyan's situation can motivate the players."

Keep it up you fuckin clown, get your excuses in now for what we all know is going to be the result at the end of the season.

A coward in so many ways.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 03, 2012, 07:48:43 AM
The whole AM thing is just totally insane. Every time he opens his mouth it's like he's trying to aggravate the supporters more and more. The excuses coming out are gut wrenching. He literally has now blamed everyone else but himself. Now it's Gods fault!? (shaking my head in disbelief)
My only hope is that he keeps on blabbing and says something Hoddle esk in controversy and then is 'forced' to leave
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Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2012, 07:55:38 AM
Quote from: wookster on April 03, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
According to todays Sun, it's GODs fault

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ALEX McLEISH believes 'the gods are conspiring' against Aston Villa this season.
 
The Villa boss has failed to win over the fans as his side hover just above the relegation battle.

He has also been hit by injuries to key players in a year the club announced a £54million loss. And the news Stiliyan Petrov has leukaemia is the latest blow.

Big Eck said: "The gods are conspiring against us. I think I've shot an albatross or something. But Stiliyan's situation can motivate the players."
Okay, so the Current Bun is hardly a great place to quote from, but ...

... if this is all McLueless can muster we are in deep doodah; this is just downright embarrassing.
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Post by: Holte L2 on April 03, 2012, 08:09:28 AM
Hoddle's a clown. We dont want him. Does nobody remember his spells at Spurs and Wolves? He was an awful manager!
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Post by: eastie on April 03, 2012, 08:30:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on April 03, 2012, 08:09:28 AM
Hoddle's a clown. We dont want him. Does nobody remember his spells at Spurs and Wolves? He was an awful manager!

Compared to mcleish hes a lot better option but i agree we should be looking for better .
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Post by: Rico on April 03, 2012, 08:31:38 AM
I'd love Hoddle as manager. He transformed Swindon and then got the Chelsea bandwagon moving. Classy midfielder and with Sid on the coaching staff we would have the two most naturally gifted midfielders of the late 70s and early 80s coaching our kids! (always thought Sid was the better player). Bring it on! At least we'd actually attempt to pass to a claret and blue shirt.
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Post by: berneboy on April 03, 2012, 08:40:32 AM
I have lost any faith I ever had in McLeish.
He is now making excuses ready for our relegation.
I especially dislike his use of the word 'they' when describing us last season. I know he wasn't here but WE are the Villa and they separates him from us. Go away Alex.

---=========
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish admits he fears being dragged into the relegation dogfight.

Villa sit just five points above the drop zone and they arguably face the toughest run-in of the sides down at the wrong end of the table.

McLeish's options have been hit by injuries to the likes of Darren Bent, Richard Dunne and Charles N'Zogbia and the absence of Stiliyan Petrov through illness and the Villa boss is determined to get to the 40-point mark as soon as possible.

"But we have been weakened by injuries. Birmingham were also definitely significantly weakened after winning the Cup final - losing about five or six key players.

.....  McLeish admits he is not surprised Villa have struggled this season after losing the likes of Ashley Young and Stewart Downing last summer.

"I did say at the beginning of the season it wasn't the greatest experienced squad though," added McLeish.

"We had a lot of young players augmenting the squad. I said it would be a tough challenge for us and a transitional period given the way Randy wants to run the club and get the wages down.

"It has been proven and we are weaker than the players here last season at this stage.

"They had Ashley Young, Downing and Kyle Walker - three terrific players."
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Post by: Risso on April 03, 2012, 08:49:01 AM
What a lamentable coward that man is.  He was crap last season and took Blues down, and he's been crap this season and seems intent on doing the same thing with us.  It isn't anything to do with luck, as all teams get injuries and dodgy decisions over a season.  If anything, he should consider himself lucky that Lerner was stupid enough to give him a job in the first place.
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 03, 2012, 08:53:11 AM
"I did say at the beginning of the season it wasn't the greatest experienced squad though," added McLeish.

What a load of crap. I specifically remember him talking about what a cracking squad he had after he was appointed
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Post by: Concrete John on April 03, 2012, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 02, 2012, 05:02:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 02, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
Well, I might be alone in the view, and certainly don't agree with his beliefs, but the Eileen Drewry thing wasn't why he lost his job with England - the disabled/past life stuff was.  If you look at some of the religous threads in the Off Topic section, people can get offended by the idea of someone praying for them.  If an England manager said he would be remembering (easy example as it's recent) Petrov in his prayers, should he lose his job over it?

I think not, as we can't say we live in a society with religous freedom and then say someone should lose their job over what they believe.   

You're missing the point.  He's free to believe what he likes, but when it tips over into being offensive about disabled people then he can expect to lose his job.  Just like we have freedom of speech, but Suarez was banned for making racist comments.  It's not that hard a concept is it?

So anyone that shares his belief system should lose their job?

Let's not forget, this broke as a story when he thought he was talking to a journo off the record (yes, I know!) who had an interest in the subject.  That's not to excuse it, but it's not as if he was using his position as England manager to spread his beliefs.

The Suarez issue is different to me, as he abused someone during a game.  If Hoddle had ran over the the handicapped section at Wembley and told them they were all sinners in a past life, then yes, sack him.  However, he had his private beliefs that were made public by someone else, so you either say everyone in his faith system should be sacked or you accept others believe different things, which sometimes can be offensive. 
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 03, 2012, 10:09:18 AM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of his England sacking, I don't want Hoddle here than you.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 03, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
sportinglife.com

Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish admits he fears being dragged into the relegation dogfight.

Villa sit just five points above the drop zone and arguably face the toughest run-in of the sides down at the wrong end of the table.

McLeish's options have been hit by injuries to the likes of Darren Bent, Richard Dunne and Charles N'Zogbia and the absence of Stiliyan Petrov and the Villa boss is determined to get to the 40-point mark as soon as possible.

"I don't think I have ever not been worried this season," McLeish told the Daily Mirror.

"We have to look to get to at least 40 points. That is the target I'd be giving to the players and get to that target as quickly as possible.

"I think we could have been better with some of the points we have thrown away.

"But we have been weakened by injuries. Birmingham were also definitely significantly weakened after winning the Cup final - losing about five or six key players.

"That does make your job much harder without doubt. But I care, I am conscientious and try and leave no stone unturned.

"I am a deep thinker about things. I am concentrating on winning enough games to make sure Villa is OK."
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 03, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
Only an idiot or a yes-man would have gone into this season with our squad strength.  It was bad enough numbers wise last season so it was obvious to anyone given the normal amount of injuries you get in a season, that at some point we'd really struggle. Mcleish really can't play the injuries card because he should have had the balls to stand up to Lerner and tell him to provide him with decent resources
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 03, 2012, 10:23:59 AM
Mcleish truly is pathetic, once again blaming everyone else other than himself. I'm sure the squad really gains confidence from comments like that. When he took over I thought he was the wrong man, but a decent man. However it's become apparent through time that as Risso says he's a coward.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 03, 2012, 10:24:37 AM
Absolute classic quotes from McCuntybollocks

''I am a deep thinker''

''I am conscientious and try and leave no stone unturned.''

In summary

LERNER, YOU ARE A CRETIN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
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Post by: Concrete John on April 03, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 03, 2012, 10:09:18 AM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of his England sacking, I don't want Hoddle here than you.

Just to clarify, my original post did say I wouldn't want him as manager.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.
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Post by: CJ on April 03, 2012, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
Sporting Life

........."I am a deep thinker about things".......


That explains everything - Big Eck is actually Deep Thought, although his answer is 40 rather than 42, but this explains why we find most of what he says incomprehensible because we mere beings didn't know what we are asking of him
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 03, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Aye. Lerner out protest would be just as apt as the Mcleish ones
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Post by: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 03, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
I'd rather not have him here upsetting the Raspberries and sprinkling crystals on the pitch.

I also don't think our players would take too kindly to his methods.

'Ah Richard Dunne, I can see from your aura that you eat cake.'

There really is no need for that.
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Post by: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:50:36 AM
Remember the mails headline for god sake go dr jo?

Surely things now are even worse than they were at that time ?

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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 03, 2012, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 03, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
I'd rather not have him here upsetting the Raspberries and sprinkling crystals on the pitch.

I also don't think our players would take too kindly to his methods.

'Ah Richard Dunne, I can see from your aura that you eat cake.'

There really is no need for that.

no need for what?
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 03, 2012, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 03, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 02, 2012, 06:34:09 PM
I'd rather not have him here upsetting the Raspberries and sprinkling crystals on the pitch.

I also don't think our players would take too kindly to his methods.

'Ah Richard Dunne, I can see from your aura that you eat cake.'

There really is no need for that.

no need for what?

What you said in the first sentence.
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Post by: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!

Lerner - maybe because he's contributed £240m to the club?  I'd say that buys you a bit of time.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 03, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!

Lerner - maybe because he's contributed £240m to the club?  I'd say that buys you a bit of time.

If that 240 million includes the money he paid for buying the club, that's hardly "contributing it to the club", is it?

Our transfer decifict since 2006 is approx £65m. I appreciate he's injected funds for things like the training ground, and to cover the season on season deficit on running costs, but there certainly won't be £180m worth of that.

re protesting against the chairman - there's zero point protesting against / to remove a chairman when he owns the club. What's he supposed to do even if he does decide he wants out? Force someone to buy it off him? He can't magic a buyer even if he decides to sell.

Personally, even more than putting money in, I just want him to start running us with a bit more savvy, as the last two years, on a number (not all) of fronts, the club has looked like it is run by schoolchildren.
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Post by: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 03, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!

Lerner - maybe because he's contributed £240m to the club?  I'd say that buys you a bit of time.

If that 240 million includes the money he paid for buying the club, that's hardly "contributing it to the club", is it?

£240m is money invested since he took control - ie excluding the amount he paid to HDE to acquire the club in the first place.  The vast majority of that money has gone on player wages - the transfer deficit only tells part of the story.
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Post by: Risso on April 03, 2012, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 03, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!

Lerner - maybe because he's contributed £240m to the club?  I'd say that buys you a bit of time.

If that 240 million includes the money he paid for buying the club, that's hardly "contributing it to the club", is it?

£240m is money invested since he took control - ie excluding the amount he paid to HDE to acquire the club in the first place.  The vast majority of that money has gone on player wages - the transfer deficit only tells part of the story.

Some people think that the simple act of spending money makes him untouchable, I disagree.  He's wasted the vast majority of that for next to no return.  Now the club is worth less than when he took over, and he has appointed the worst manager imaginable. 
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 03, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
 :P
Quote from: Ad@m on April 03, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 03, 2012, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:29:37 AM
And still Lerner get's off lightly.

A bit different to the days when Herbert was here, if the pies were luke warm Ellis got slated.

Very true- i camt understand why lerner and faulkner escape so much criticism- they along with mcleish are totally and utterly inept!

Lerner - maybe because he's contributed £240m to the club?  I'd say that buys you a bit of time.


and hes got a Villa tattoo you know
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Post by: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.
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Post by: Risso on April 03, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.
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Post by: john e on April 03, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
Mcliesh has been promoted beyond his abilities, but he is not a Coward
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Post by: midnite on April 03, 2012, 05:33:16 PM
Agree with Risso. Spurs have managed it because the joe Lewis has decided he isn't a man to run a football club so has levy doing it for him.

Randy has decided he as the owner can play chairman and it's not been much of a success
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Post by: jembob on April 03, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 03, 2012, 10:16:52 AM

"I am a deep thinker about things. I am concentrating on winning enough games to make sure Villa is OK."


Surely a Manager should be concentrating on every fecking point? The more I hear from this buffoon, the more he makes my piss boil.

Go away Mcleish. Please just go the f*ck away!
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Post by: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 03, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.
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Post by: Ian. on April 04, 2012, 07:00:46 AM
It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!
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Post by: villadelph on April 04, 2012, 07:13:32 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 04, 2012, 07:00:46 AM
It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!

Couldn't agree more. Arsenal supporters were calling for Wenger's head, and the media were pushing for it much harder than I thought they would. Liverpool can't stay out of the papers, and Daglish's is being pressed for results. Yet, McLeish is a 2-minute segment on the FM, and the pundits talk about our debts and inept squad more than the alsoran that runs the show.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 03, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.

I agree Paul. Lerner has been an excellent owner of the club, and a poor chairman. Had he appointed football men to the board that would have kept MON in check a bit, we would not be having this discussion.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 04, 2012, 07:38:39 AM
What's the longest losing streak a villa manager has had ..u can see mcliesh being close to that we the next few games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: VillaAlways on April 04, 2012, 08:02:28 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 04, 2012, 07:00:46 AM
It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!
Because it will be a bigger story when he takes us down  Last thing they want is for him to get the sack
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Post by: mattjpa on April 04, 2012, 08:10:56 AM
Wenger and Dalgleish have had more because they both have had the resources and set up to be able to challenge for the title but have both failed and are both now at risk of fallling below minimum requirements of champions league. Eck has come in to a job that reportably nobody really wanted, with little funds, best players being sold and a remit to reduce the wage bill drastically whilst bringing the younger players through and making us sustainable. All that BS peddled about challenging for europe - maybe Faulkner believed it because he is completely clueless and inept but I for one didnt and suspect in your heart of hearts you all didnt either. Quite what Lerner is hoping to achieve I dont know, but I dont believe it would matter whether we finished 10th or 15th, McLeish will have done what is being asked of him behind closed doors.
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Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2012, 08:13:51 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 07:04:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 03, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 03, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.
Agreed on this differentiation of roles, paul.
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Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2012, 08:17:37 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 04, 2012, 07:00:46 AM
It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

True, but as someone above says, the relegation story is a much biggger one.
And - anyway - maybe the press see it the same as we do: that he currently unsackable because (i) RL has first to 'fess up to the error of his appointment; (ii) stump up to pay him off' (iii) find a better recruitment process than last Summer's; and, (iv) find some candidates that would be prepared to follow in McL's footsteps.

And, maybe we just ain't news anymore!
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Post by: midnite on April 04, 2012, 10:14:22 AM
Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops
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Post by: andyh on April 04, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
Quote from: midnite on April 04, 2012, 10:14:22 AM
Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops

I don't think they dislike us.
I just think we are now considered irrelevant.
Which to me, is the biggest crime that this management team has committed.   
 
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: andyh on April 04, 2012, 10:19:12 AM
Quote from: midnite on April 04, 2012, 10:14:22 AM
Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops

I don't think they dislike us.
I just think we are now considered irrelevant.
Which to me, is the biggest crime that this management team has committed.   
 

Bingo.
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Post by: Irish villain on April 04, 2012, 10:26:22 AM
I don't think the media dislikes us. I think we've always been a fairly well liked club. I think that's what Houllier meant when he first arrived. Remember he said we were too 'nice' and needed a winning mentality?

I'd just say we're not fashionable. And, we forget, it's now 16 years since our last trophy. We just haven't been figuring at the business end of things in too long.
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Post by: Risso on April 04, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Most fans of other teams can't fathom how we've got so bad, so quickly, and amongst the people I know we are generally seen as an awful team to watch, who wouldn't be missed if we did go down.
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Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 04, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Most fans of other teams can't fathom how we've got so bad, so quickly, and amongst the people I know we are generally seen as an awful team to watch, who wouldn't be missed if we did go down.

The Guardian podcast is the only one which slates McLeish regularly, and they regularly say they'd love him to go down, much as they feel sympathy with us. The worst thing is, I get that - in their position I'd probably feel the same.
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Post by: itbrvilla on April 04, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 04, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Most fans of other teams can't fathom how we've got so bad, so quickly, and amongst the people I know we are generally seen as an awful team to watch, who wouldn't be missed if we did go down.

The Guardian podcast is the only one which slates McLeish regularly, and they regularly say they'd love him to go down, much as they feel sympathy with us. The worst thing is, I get that - in their position I'd probably feel the same.
Teamtalk were the same also.
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Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 04, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 11:01:20 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 04, 2012, 10:57:39 AM
Most fans of other teams can't fathom how we've got so bad, so quickly, and amongst the people I know we are generally seen as an awful team to watch, who wouldn't be missed if we did go down.

The Guardian podcast is the only one which slates McLeish regularly, and they regularly say they'd love him to go down, much as they feel sympathy with us. The worst thing is, I get that - in their position I'd probably feel the same.
Teamtalk were the same also.

Yeah, heard that as well. Again, can't blame them.
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Post by: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:23:44 AM
http://mcleishout.co.uk/
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Post by: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
From McLeish out website

This is a copy of the letter I will be sending to Alex McLeish tomorrow morning.  I have also sent a copy of it to the email of Paul Faulkner and Nicola Keye.  So it should be read by somebody at the club.

 

Dear Mr McLeish,

I am writing this letter to urge you to consider your position as Aston Villa manager. You have been in charge of this great club for 292 days and it has been nothing short of a disaster. You have presided over the worst season seen at Villa Park since the relegation year of 1986/87. We have a truly awful record of 7 wins in 30 games and are in serious danger of being relegated. The similarities between Aston Villa and your relegated Birmingham City side are uncanny. From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33, so our record this season is not a blip but it is the norm where you are manager.

So in the 3 seasons you have been a Premier League manager you have managed to oversee 2 relegations, and are a good bet to make it 3 this year. With this in mind I ask you to consider your position and as a professional admit the job is too big for you and walk away before any more damage is done.

I would like to ask you why you believe you are the man to take Aston Villa forward as even your record in Scotland leaves a lot to be desired, especially as you managed to achieve the impossible and finish 3rd with Rangers in a normal 2 horse race and lead them on their record streak of 10 games without a win.

Also I would like to ask you why throughout the course of this season 2011/12 you have managed to blame everybody for our current predicament, but have failed to take any responsibility for it yourself. Why is that? Surely as manager it is your responsibility? A true leader in whatever field of life show’s his/her true courage in taking responsibility when being at the helm. I liken you to a certain Captain Smith of Titanic infamy. We are in my humble opinion akin to the SS Titanic in being unsinkable and your tactics and that of your crew in particular a certain Peter Grant are in true fashion blind to the iceberg ahead. Once you sink Aston Villa, we will remain at the depths of the English Football League and you will leave with a golden handshake of millions of £££’s. Go look in the mirror and say to yourself  “Am I the man to lead Aston Villa Forward”  Your conscience should tell you to do the honourable and decent thing… Walk now Mr McLeish and admit that you could not do the job you said you could when interviewed. You tried, you failed, and are now a multi-millionaire who is unemployable at any other English Premier League club

I have been following Aston Villa for over 25 years now and come from a Villa supporting family with over 100 years’ worth of support, and I can honestly say this is the worst I have ever seen. Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem. A poll conducted by a Villa fans site suggests 96% of fans would like you to step down as manager, but still you suggest the silent majority are backing you? I can assure that you have managed to lose the backing of all Aston Villa fans with your negative brand of football. Also the fact your negative brand of football fails to deliver results. Correct me if I’m wrong but football is a results business?

So for the good of Aston Villa please tender your resignation immediately before irreparable damage is done.

Yours Sincerely

Chris Hearn
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Post by: Villanation on April 04, 2012, 11:29:20 AM
Its being reported in the Mail (daily) that McLeish is fearing the strange similarity that befell Blues last season with there last 6 games which resulted in them going down, in other words they lost crucial players like, Craig Gardner’s suspension and injuries to Scott Dann, Obafemi Martins, Nikola Zigic and Martin Jiranek, and then look at Villa's plight, uncomfortable comparisons when you think about it.

Fact is though a) we shouldn't be here, we are no half baked Bluenose team and the other fact that this bloke scares me in that he is even thinking along the lines now that relegation is a real possibility.

Also reporting in other tabloids that he is preparing for a big clear out of the clubs bigger names in the summer to finance getting in his own players............Can you imagine.

This club loses the likes of Agbonlahor (comparative to a major earthquake) Given, Bent, these kind of players that will generate funds, can't realistically see any others doing that for him, I just find it impossible to see where we are going under this manager.

Surely Lerner must be considering the managers position before we get to the point of him pushing in another 30ML of badly needed funds for players.


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Post by: Irish villain on April 04, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
Quote from: Villanation on April 04, 2012, 11:29:20 AM

Also reporting in other tabloids that he is preparing for a big clear out of the clubs bigger names in the summer to finance getting in his own players............Can you imagine.



If you're a villa fan there is no light at the end of the tunnel right now. Relegation = disaster. As I said before, I don't think we'd bounce back. However, avoid relegation and we have the above to look froward to!!! AMc selling of our prized assets to bring in his own players....

Dear me. Why is Randy inflicting so much pain on us long suffering fools.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
I think it's crucial we don't go down, with our current momentum we would stay down. Lerner through his appointment of Mcleish has ruined us, and I'm a Villa fan and I struggle to watch us 'play'. If we somehow survive, I'm hoping Lerner finally realises his mistake and gets a proper manager in to start  building us up again. This is season has been nothing short of a disgrace and Mcleish is completely useless.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
From McLeish out website

This is a copy of the letter I will be sending to Alex McLeish tomorrow morning.  I have also sent a copy of it to the email of Paul Faulkner and Nicola Keye.  So it should be read by somebody at the club.

 

Dear Mr McLeish,

I am writing this letter to urge you to consider your position as Aston Villa manager. You have been in charge of this great club for 292 days and it has been nothing short of a disaster. You have presided over the worst season seen at Villa Park since the relegation year of 1986/87. We have a truly awful record of 7 wins in 30 games and are in serious danger of being relegated. The similarities between Aston Villa and your relegated Birmingham City side are uncanny. From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33, so our record this season is not a blip but it is the norm where you are manager.

So in the 3 seasons you have been a Premier League manager you have managed to oversee 2 relegations, and are a good bet to make it 3 this year. With this in mind I ask you to consider your position and as a professional admit the job is too big for you and walk away before any more damage is done.

I would like to ask you why you believe you are the man to take Aston Villa forward as even your record in Scotland leaves a lot to be desired, especially as you managed to achieve the impossible and finish 3rd with Rangers in a normal 2 horse race and lead them on their record streak of 10 games without a win.

Also I would like to ask you why throughout the course of this season 2011/12 you have managed to blame everybody for our current predicament, but have failed to take any responsibility for it yourself. Why is that? Surely as manager it is your responsibility? A true leader in whatever field of life show’s his/her true courage in taking responsibility when being at the helm. I liken you to a certain Captain Smith of Titanic infamy. We are in my humble opinion akin to the SS Titanic in being unsinkable and your tactics and that of your crew in particular a certain Peter Grant are in true fashion blind to the iceberg ahead. Once you sink Aston Villa, we will remain at the depths of the English Football League and you will leave with a golden handshake of millions of £££’s. Go look in the mirror and say to yourself  “Am I the man to lead Aston Villa Forward”  Your conscience should tell you to do the honourable and decent thing… Walk now Mr McLeish and admit that you could not do the job you said you could when interviewed. You tried, you failed, and are now a multi-millionaire who is unemployable at any other English Premier League club

I have been following Aston Villa for over 25 years now and come from a Villa supporting family with over 100 years’ worth of support, and I can honestly say this is the worst I have ever seen. Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem. A poll conducted by a Villa fans site suggests 96% of fans would like you to step down as manager, but still you suggest the silent majority are backing you? I can assure that you have managed to lose the backing of all Aston Villa fans with your negative brand of football. Also the fact your negative brand of football fails to deliver results. Correct me if I’m wrong but football is a results business?

So for the good of Aston Villa please tender your resignation immediately before irreparable damage is done.

Yours Sincerely

Chris Hearn


He's not exactly backward in coming forward is he?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: David_Nab on April 04, 2012, 12:02:47 PM
The stats on his Premier League managerial career are pretty damming to be fair.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2012, 12:03:32 PM
I bet McLeish is sat there after reading that and thinking "oh OK, seeing as you put it like that!"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 12:10:01 PM
is this statistic true?

Quote
From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33

If so, that's utterly terrible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Stu on April 04, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
I'm getting to the stage where I don't like McLeish, never wanted him and don't want him here, but the team really needs to be supported. Get rid in the summer, but lets try and stay up first.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: andyh on April 04, 2012, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 04, 2012, 12:03:32 PM
I bet McLeish is sat there after reading that and thinking "oh OK, seeing as you put it like that!"
Lets hope so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Stu on April 04, 2012, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
I'm getting to the stage where I don't like McLeish, never wanted him and don't want him here, but the team really needs to be supported. Get rid in the summer, but lets try and stay up first.

Also, I think its unfair to say that McLeish is the root of the problem at the Villa. The root cause for the current malaise is at boardroom level. They need someone with football knowledge desperately.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Irish villain on April 04, 2012, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2012, 12:18:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
I'm getting to the stage where I don't like McLeish, never wanted him and don't want him here, but the team really needs to be supported. Get rid in the summer, but lets try and stay up first.

Also, I think its unfair to say that McLeish is the root of the problem at the Villa. The root cause for the current malaise is at boardroom level. They need someone with football knowledge desperately.

As others have said, they are getting away with murder. They are more to blame than the out-of-his-depth manager they appointed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Morten on April 04, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
I have the Fulham programme in front of me, and in the Man City home game match report he is quoted saying: "I think we΄re the unlickiest team in the Premier Legue this weekend". I also remembering him saying that the game plan worked. As I recall, we were horrible. If that is his idea of playing well and being unlucky, we should all be nervous.

After the Fulham game he said something along the lines as "people were expecting Fulham to beat us, because they are a good team full of Internationals". Sometimes he forgets who we are - Fulham should expect to be beaten at Villa Park, not the other way around.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
I see those running that Mcleish Out Website are having a whinge about Paul Faulkner not replying to their request to meet them. Is this the same group that turned down his original offer to talk to them or is that another group?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
From McLeish out website

This is a copy of the letter I will be sending to Alex McLeish tomorrow morning.  I have also sent a copy of it to the email of Paul Faulkner and Nicola Keye.  So it should be read by somebody at the club.

 

Dear Mr McLeish,

I am writing this letter to urge you to consider your position as Aston Villa manager. You have been in charge of this great club for 292 days and it has been nothing short of a disaster. You have presided over the worst season seen at Villa Park since the relegation year of 1986/87. We have a truly awful record of 7 wins in 30 games and are in serious danger of being relegated. The similarities between Aston Villa and your relegated Birmingham City side are uncanny. From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33, so our record this season is not a blip but it is the norm where you are manager.

So in the 3 seasons you have been a Premier League manager you have managed to oversee 2 relegations, and are a good bet to make it 3 this year. With this in mind I ask you to consider your position and as a professional admit the job is too big for you and walk away before any more damage is done.

I would like to ask you why you believe you are the man to take Aston Villa forward as even your record in Scotland leaves a lot to be desired, especially as you managed to achieve the impossible and finish 3rd with Rangers in a normal 2 horse race and lead them on their record streak of 10 games without a win.

Also I would like to ask you why throughout the course of this season 2011/12 you have managed to blame everybody for our current predicament, but have failed to take any responsibility for it yourself. Why is that? Surely as manager it is your responsibility? A true leader in whatever field of life show’s his/her true courage in taking responsibility when being at the helm. I liken you to a certain Captain Smith of Titanic infamy. We are in my humble opinion akin to the SS Titanic in being unsinkable and your tactics and that of your crew in particular a certain Peter Grant are in true fashion blind to the iceberg ahead. Once you sink Aston Villa, we will remain at the depths of the English Football League and you will leave with a golden handshake of millions of £££’s. Go look in the mirror and say to yourself  “Am I the man to lead Aston Villa Forward”  Your conscience should tell you to do the honourable and decent thing… Walk now Mr McLeish and admit that you could not do the job you said you could when interviewed. You tried, you failed, and are now a multi-millionaire who is unemployable at any other English Premier League club

I have been following Aston Villa for over 25 years now and come from a Villa supporting family with over 100 years’ worth of support, and I can honestly say this is the worst I have ever seen. Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem. A poll conducted by a Villa fans site suggests 96% of fans would like you to step down as manager, but still you suggest the silent majority are backing you? I can assure that you have managed to lose the backing of all Aston Villa fans with your negative brand of football. Also the fact your negative brand of football fails to deliver results. Correct me if I’m wrong but football is a results business?

So for the good of Aston Villa please tender your resignation immediately before irreparable damage is done.

Yours Sincerely

Chris Hearn

A good letter and some points well made but do you really believe someone will read it.?

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 01:19:20 PM
The thing with the letter, though, it's probably true that a lot of us who are scared at what McLeish is doing have felt frustrated enough to think about sending an arsey email or letter, but then thought better of it.

To do so, but then to publish it as an open letter, and to seriously expect something to come of it is somewhat "look at me" and very naive.

It's not as if he's going to read that letter, and think, "hmm, this bloke's got a point" and go and resign, is it?
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Post by: Rick_avfc on April 04, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
I know a lot of you on here hate talksport or talkshite or whatever you want to call it but apparently McTwat was on the Keys and Gray show so wondered if anyone heard him on there and if so, what he said?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Ad@m on April 04, 2012, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 01:19:20 PM
The thing with the letter, though, it's probably true that a lot of us who are scared at what McLeish is doing have felt frustrated enough to think about sending an arsey email or letter, but then thought better of it.

To do so, but then to publish it as an open letter, and to seriously expect something to come of it is somewhat "look at me" and very naive.

It's not as if he's going to read that letter, and think, "hmm, this bloke's got a point" and go and resign, is it?

Exactly.

And equally, it's quite offensive.  I'm sure none of us would like to receive a letter from a random stranger telling us we're sh1t at our job.  If the guy feels the need to write the letter then surely it should be addressed to Randy with the suggestion that he looks at what AML is doing to his 'investment'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.


The day any board does what the fans want them to is the day they're in trouble.
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Post by: Concrete John on April 04, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
I don't think it's a good letter at all.  I think he starts off trying to be reasonable, but then descends into the trap of just slating his record with no balance.  If he wanted to be taken seriously, then he needed to quiz him over his team selection and tactics while at Villa.
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Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.


The day any board does what the fans want them to is the day they're in trouble.

I agree. They shouldn't get rid of him because the fans want him.

Though they should get rid of him because he's an irretrievably inadequate football manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.


The day any board does what the fans want them to is the day they're in trouble.

I agree. They shouldn't get rid of him because the fans want him.

Though they should get rid of him because he's an irretrievably inadequate football manager.

If the internet had been around in September 1989 there would have been just as much demand to get rid of Sir Graham.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: hartman_1982 on April 04, 2012, 01:38:39 PM
It is also factually incorrect. This season is his 4th in the PL. You have coincidentally overlooked the season he lead the rags to 8th/9th.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.


The day any board does what the fans want them to is the day they're in trouble.

I agree. They shouldn't get rid of him because the fans [don't] want him.

Though they should get rid of him because he's an irretrievably inadequate football manager.

If the internet had been around in September 1989 there would have been just as much demand to get rid of Sir Graham.

Well yeah, but I'm not entirely sure of the bearing other examples have on this case. Without meaning to exaggerate, literally squadrillions of managers get sacked, some rightly some wrongly, some given a chance when they should've been, some given the boot prematurely. You can only judge a situation by its merits.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:43:04 PM

Well yeah, but I'm not entirely sure of the bearing other examples have on this case. Without meaning to exaggerate, literally squadrillions of managers get sacked, some rightly some wrongly, some given a chance when they should've been, some given the boot prematurely. You can only judge a situation by its merits.

Without a doubt, but I'm saying that Sir G then was getting almost as much stick as McLeish is now.
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Post by: Concrete John on April 04, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:38:31 PM
If the internet had been around in September 1989 there would have been just as much demand to get rid of Sir Graham.

I'm not so sure.  Sir Graham had a good track record behind him with, especially with the recent success ha had had at Watford.  With McLeish, those who want him out seem to be pointing at his Villa tenure as a continuation of a relatively poor PL record.  I thionk some, if not all, would be hanging their hat on his ability to turn it around had they seen more from him previously to suggest he could.
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Post by: Fergal on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
From McLeish out website

This is a copy of the letter I will be sending to Alex McLeish tomorrow morning.  I have also sent a copy of it to the email of Paul Faulkner and Nicola Keye.  So it should be read by somebody at the club.

 

Dear Mr McLeish,

I am writing this letter to urge you to consider your position as Aston Villa manager. You have been in charge of this great club for 292 days and it has been nothing short of a disaster. You have presided over the worst season seen at Villa Park since the relegation year of 1986/87. We have a truly awful record of 7 wins in 30 games and are in serious danger of being relegated. The similarities between Aston Villa and your relegated Birmingham City side are uncanny. From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33, so our record this season is not a blip but it is the norm where you are manager.

So in the 3 seasons you have been a Premier League manager you have managed to oversee 2 relegations, and are a good bet to make it 3 this year. With this in mind I ask you to consider your position and as a professional admit the job is too big for you and walk away before any more damage is done.

I would like to ask you why you believe you are the man to take Aston Villa forward as even your record in Scotland leaves a lot to be desired, especially as you managed to achieve the impossible and finish 3rd with Rangers in a normal 2 horse race and lead them on their record streak of 10 games without a win.

Also I would like to ask you why throughout the course of this season 2011/12 you have managed to blame everybody for our current predicament, but have failed to take any responsibility for it yourself. Why is that? Surely as manager it is your responsibility? A true leader in whatever field of life show’s his/her true courage in taking responsibility when being at the helm. I liken you to a certain Captain Smith of Titanic infamy. We are in my humble opinion akin to the SS Titanic in being unsinkable and your tactics and that of your crew in particular a certain Peter Grant are in true fashion blind to the iceberg ahead. Once you sink Aston Villa, we will remain at the depths of the English Football League and you will leave with a golden handshake of millions of £££’s. Go look in the mirror and say to yourself  “Am I the man to lead Aston Villa Forward”  Your conscience should tell you to do the honourable and decent thing… Walk now Mr McLeish and admit that you could not do the job you said you could when interviewed. You tried, you failed, and are now a multi-millionaire who is unemployable at any other English Premier League club

I have been following Aston Villa for over 25 years now and come from a Villa supporting family with over 100 years’ worth of support, and I can honestly say this is the worst I have ever seen. Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem. A poll conducted by a Villa fans site suggests 96% of fans would like you to step down as manager, but still you suggest the silent majority are backing you? I can assure that you have managed to lose the backing of all Aston Villa fans with your negative brand of football. Also the fact your negative brand of football fails to deliver results. Correct me if I’m wrong but football is a results business?

So for the good of Aston Villa please tender your resignation immediately before irreparable damage is done.

Yours Sincerely

Chris Hearn


He's not exactly backward in coming forward is he?
At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 04, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:34:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 04, 2012, 12:56:04 PM

The more likely out come is that it'll be tossed in the bin about 10 seconds after opening it because they don’t give two fecks about what the fans really think, if they did then he would already be gone.


The day any board does what the fans want them to is the day they're in trouble.

I agree. They shouldn't get rid of him because the fans want him.

Though they should get rid of him because he's an irretrievably inadequate football manager.

If the internet had been around in September 1989 there would have been just as much demand to get rid of Sir Graham.

Imagine the reaction online after THAT QPR game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:50:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:43:04 PM

Well yeah, but I'm not entirely sure of the bearing other examples have on this case. Without meaning to exaggerate, literally squadrillions of managers get sacked, some rightly some wrongly, some given a chance when they should've been, some given the boot prematurely. You can only judge a situation by its merits.

Without a doubt, but I'm saying that Sir G then was getting almost as much stick as McLeish is now.

Well that's true enough. However, SGT was still in his 40s, at his first big job, hired on the basis of doing well. Plus you could really see a methodology and a way of playing being defined and refined from his Watford days, and certainly an attacking one. I wouldn't credit McLeish with such positives, is all I'd say.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?

There's no point doing something in such a way that you're guaranteed to get ignored. How many letters is this he's sent now and made public? I wonder if he's doing it just so he can complain that they're taking no notice - he wouldn't be the first.

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 
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Post by: Fergal on April 04, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?
What about long term? Just how long would you give AM ?

There's no point doing something in such a way that you're guaranteed to get ignored. How many letters is this he's sent now and made public? I wonder if he's doing it just so he can complain that they're taking no notice - he wouldn't be the first.

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 
Do you see him as a long term Villa manager or has he done enough to convince you that he should go after the last game of the season?
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Post by: NeilH on April 04, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
I’m beginning to think that Lerner is bloody nuclear bomb proof. All this vitriol aimed at McLeish and now another bloody letter asking for him to go, just in case the press don’t get it that some of our supporters are a bit upset.

We have got to stumble across the line with McLeish in charge and then address the situation. I don’t believe for a moment that putting KMac in charge will make the slightest difference and as Dave has already pointed out, he clearly doesn’t want to do it.

All that we can do as supporters is drop the vitriol for a few weeks, get behind the team and make sure that when push comes to shove, we’ve given our all to keep us up.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?
What about long term? Just how long would you give AM ?

There's no point doing something in such a way that you're guaranteed to get ignored. How many letters is this he's sent now and made public? I wonder if he's doing it just so he can complain that they're taking no notice - he wouldn't be the first.

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 
Do you see him as a long term Villa manager or has he done enough to convince you that he should go after the last game of the season?

As Neil said above, see what the end of the season brings. It can't help matters than much of our team have now played under three managers, plus two caretakers.
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 04, 2012, 03:03:27 PM
With lengthy letters like that I think its best to read them out loud like Kevin Turvey or Homer Simpson in his sarcastic period.

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Post by: Risso on April 04, 2012, 03:51:44 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2012, 01:43:04 PM

Well yeah, but I'm not entirely sure of the bearing other examples have on this case. Without meaning to exaggerate, literally squadrillions of managers get sacked, some rightly some wrongly, some given a chance when they should've been, some given the boot prematurely. You can only judge a situation by its merits.

Without a doubt, but I'm saying that Sir G then was getting almost as much stick as McLeish is now.

The first season back in the top division after getting promoted was an entirely different proposition to a manager who relegated a team the season before.  Back then there was hope that Taylor would turn it around the following season given his good record with Watford and Villa until that season.  McLeish doesn't have a record in the Premier League that suggests any such improvement is likely.
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Post by: Vanilla on April 04, 2012, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?
What about long term? Just how long would you give AM ?

There's no point doing something in such a way that you're guaranteed to get ignored. How many letters is this he's sent now and made public? I wonder if he's doing it just so he can complain that they're taking no notice - he wouldn't be the first.

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 
Do you see him as a long term Villa manager or has he done enough to convince you that he should go after the last game of the season?

As Neil said above, see what the end of the season brings. It can't help matters than much of our team have now played under three managers, plus two caretakers.

The point has been made before about how many more 'transitional' seasons can Villa cope with.

I think the worst thing the club can do (but what they probably will do) is just expect the team to 'hit the ground running' at the start of next season. If that doesn't happen with Villa struggling and tickets sales down, the manager will I think then be forced out, rather than the club having the guts to take the appropriate action over the summer.

Personally, I don't mind if the club brings in a young manager, with a strategic emphasis on talent development, even if that means a period of being stuck in the bottom half. If there are signs of potential and progression, fans will start coming back.

What you feel Villa have with the current manager, is merely a strategy of relegation avoidance each season.

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Post by: stubbsyandy on April 04, 2012, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 04, 2012, 03:53:36 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 04, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

At least he has nailed his colours to the mast.
Dave you often talk a lot of sense on here, do you think the manager should be sacked?
What about long term? Just how long would you give AM ?

There's no point doing something in such a way that you're guaranteed to get ignored. How many letters is this he's sent now and made public? I wonder if he's doing it just so he can complain that they're taking no notice - he wouldn't be the first.

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 
Do you see him as a long term Villa manager or has he done enough to convince you that he should go after the last game of the season?

As Neil said above, see what the end of the season brings. It can't help matters than much of our team have now played under three managers, plus two caretakers.

The point has been made before about how many more 'transitional' seasons can Villa cope with.

I think the worst thing the club can do (but what they probably will do) is just expect the team to 'hit the ground running' at the start of next season. If that doesn't happen with Villa struggling and tickets sales down, the manager will I think then be forced out, rather than the club having the guts to take the appropriate action over the summer.

Personally, I don't mind if the club brings in a young manager, with a strategic emphasis on talent development, even if that means a period of being stuck in the bottom half. If there are signs of potential and progression, fans will start coming back.

What you feel Villa have with the current manager, is merely a strategy of relegation avoidance each season.



That last line,spot on
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Post by: David_Nab on April 04, 2012, 04:08:25 PM
If Martinez had joined us in Summer and we were where we are now people would still be upset however you could point to him keeping Wigan up with little cash you could point to the foundations he laid down at Swansea, with Mcleish whilst he has had some success in the past there is plenty of failure and that is why fans are so unhappy with him and have little faith we can avoid the drop.



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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 04, 2012, 04:08:25 PM
If Martinez had joined us in Summer and we were where we are now people would still be upset however you could point to him keeping Wigan up with little cash you could point to the foundations he laid down at Swansea, with Mcleish whilst he has had some success in the past there is plenty of failure and that is why fans are so unhappy with him and have little faith we can avoid the drop.

McLeish, even in the circumstances we are in now, would have way, way more support than he has if he hadn't spent most of the season putting out a team who were sent to play anti-football.

It's one thing being angry at someone because they tried to do something and failed, but it's another when the thing they're trying to do is so fucking horrible in the first place.

The stupid thing is, he's had a few points this season, where he's been in a situation to capitalise on a bit of good work and move on, and every time, he has reverted to type and done exactly what we feared he'd do before he came here.

We were worried he'd play poor, negative, defensive football. That's what he's done. It's entirely his own fault.

For me, the thing that pisses me off and depresses me most about this manager is not the fact we are in 15th in the table. It is that this is the way he manages, this is the way he sets his teams up, it always has been in the PL at least, and it always will be.

The only positive thing that could come out of it is that we could get better results, and it could work more often, but even if that happens, the process of getting them is going to be utterly joyless and horrible to watch - not unlike Sam Allardyce getting results with his own brand of horror show football.

The thought of two or three seasons of this guff is just too horrible for words.
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Post by: MonsXI on April 04, 2012, 04:29:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 04, 2012, 04:08:25 PM
If Martinez had joined us in Summer and we were where we are now people would still be upset however you could point to him keeping Wigan up with little cash you could point to the foundations he laid down at Swansea, with Mcleish whilst he has had some success in the past there is plenty of failure and that is why fans are so unhappy with him and have little faith we can avoid the drop.

McLeish, even in the circumstances we are in now, would have way, way more support than he has if he hadn't spent most of the season putting out a team who were sent to play anti-football.

It's one thing being angry at someone because they tried to do something and failed, but it's another when the thing they're trying to do is so fucking horrible in the first place.

The stupid thing is, he's had a few points this season, where he's been in a situation to capitalise on a bit of good work and move on, and every time, he has reverted to type and done exactly what we feared he'd do before he came here.

We were worried he'd play poor, negative, defensive football. That's what he's done. It's entirely his own fault.

Great post, I think it sums up the McLeish problem perfectly! Yes we didn't want him because he was at Blues but equally we didn't want him because of his style of play, unfortunately he hasn't surprised us and has brought his own brand of anti football across the city.

If we could all see what was going to happen then why not Lerner/Faulkner? For god sake the guy played 451 up in Scotland where he had the best squad in the league.
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Post by: midnite on April 04, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
We've turned into the new stoke. No one likes our brand of football... And we now even score from long throw ins
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Post by: ktvillan on April 04, 2012, 04:48:40 PM
Good on whoever wrote the letter. It may get ignored it may not, at least he's trying to do something and making his feelings, which appear to reflect the feelings of many supporters,  known.  And the more people that make their feelings known, the more difficult it will be for Lerner, Faulkner and McLeish to ignore them.   The majority of supporters seem to have realised that he is a hopelessly inadequate manager (although most of us already knew before he arrived) but perhaps the powers that be need to have the blatantly obvious pointed out to them.
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Post by: brian green on April 04, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
There is a famous line from a Cole Porter lyric "the words I love you till the day I die, the self deception that believes the lie".

Perhaps Faulkner and Lerner in their naivety do believe that McLeish is a good manager.
Perhaps they follow Villa through the media more than any other way and they have swallowed the media lie that the fans hate McLeish because he came across the city.   The lie that he is a competent manager who has had bad luck with injuries disliked by large numbers of Villa supporters for purely tribal reasons.

Perhaps they think they are right and the vast majority of us are wrong.   Perhaps it is we who are being tolerated not the manager.
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Post by: Rico on April 04, 2012, 05:16:22 PM
I've posted this before, so if Eck is still in charge at the start of the season do we back him or jeer him. Seems to me that whatever option we as fans take, we lose. If he stays we're stuck with his anti football, and if we give him stick we're not exactly helping the team. I think the only option if he is still in charge at the start of the season is a boycott. It's a tough call because I just don't know what we can do to get rid of him. Short term pain, long term gain?
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Post by: john e on April 04, 2012, 05:26:24 PM
i would love to be a bookie with some of you guys around,
 anyone who thinks we are 50/50 to go down is barmy, we are no where near that, i think the bookies have us around 1-10 on to stay up,
we are in a far better position than any team below us, to just keep banging on about how doomed we are is stupidity.
i bet if you take the worst 7 games we have played at any point in the season gives us enough points to stay up
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Post by: midnite on April 04, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 04, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
Perhaps they think they are right and the vast majority of us are wrong.   Perhaps it is we who are being tolerated not the manager.

I get that feeling too
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Post by: villadelph on April 04, 2012, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: midnite on April 04, 2012, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 04, 2012, 05:02:37 PM
Perhaps they think they are right and the vast majority of us are wrong.   Perhaps it is we who are being tolerated not the manager.

I get that feeling too

The original quote: Post of the Day.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 04, 2012, 01:23:25 PM
I know a lot of you on here hate talksport or talkshite or whatever you want to call it but apparently McTwat was on the Keys and Gray show so wondered if anyone heard him on there and if so, what he said?

he said something like the form recently has not been as bad as people have made out ...            I choked on my biscuit
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: midnite on April 04, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
We've turned into the new stoke. No one likes our brand of football... And we now even score from long throw ins

How have we ? we don't score from set pieces 
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Post by: Legion on April 04, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Collins v Chelsea?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Collins v Chelsea?

Throw in.

Is a throw in a set piece? Guess so. It's also Stoketastic.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
OK Ill give you one but you get what I mean .      corners etc
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 05:59:21 PM
Must admit Stoke sometimes never have a shot on target in a match , so maybe we do.
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Post by: Vanilla on April 04, 2012, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 05:59:21 PM
Must admit Stoke sometimes never have a shot on target in a match , so maybe we do.

I remember a H&V match summary of a game against Bolton from about 98 which said they had 1 shot and scored 3 goals.

Teams tend to have that kind of shot to goal ratio against us. 
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Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 06:53:10 PM
Talkshite interview with The Sexists this afternoon. Words to the effect of "well we're in trouble because we're having to play youngsters, but don't worry the experienced players are coming back". What message does that send to the youngsters, who watch the seniors fuck up game after game all season, to then be told it's their fault and those self-same seniors are automatic picks ahead of them?

Also going along, as prompted, with (obviously his mates) the Sexists' suggestion that he's disliked because of the Blues connection, whereas, as we know, about 0.5% of Villa fans really care about that, if that. Everything he's ever said just screams "not right for Villa" at best and "just not good enough" at worst.
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Post by: Legion on April 04, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
Is there a new word filter?
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Post by: Monty on April 04, 2012, 06:58:39 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
Is there a new word filter?

To the Sexists thing? Well, I tried to come up with more insulting names for them, but couldn't do better than the truth.
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Post by: bones. on April 04, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
Talkshite interview here.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/120404/mcleish-admits-petrov-has-been-humbled-support-168778
I dont know how to shorten the link Im afraid. The interview is about five minutes long
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Post by: Villanation on April 04, 2012, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 04, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
From McLeish out website

This is a copy of the letter I will be sending to Alex McLeish tomorrow morning.  I have also sent a copy of it to the email of Paul Faulkner and Nicola Keye.  So it should be read by somebody at the club.

 

Dear Mr McLeish,

I am writing this letter to urge you to consider your position as Aston Villa manager. You have been in charge of this great club for 292 days and it has been nothing short of a disaster. You have presided over the worst season seen at Villa Park since the relegation year of 1986/87. We have a truly awful record of 7 wins in 30 games and are in serious danger of being relegated. The similarities between Aston Villa and your relegated Birmingham City side are uncanny. From studying your record I see you have been in charge of a 130 Premier League games and yet you have only won 33, so our record this season is not a blip but it is the norm where you are manager.

So in the 3 seasons you have been a Premier League manager you have managed to oversee 2 relegations, and are a good bet to make it 3 this year. With this in mind I ask you to consider your position and as a professional admit the job is too big for you and walk away before any more damage is done.

I would like to ask you why you believe you are the man to take Aston Villa forward as even your record in Scotland leaves a lot to be desired, especially as you managed to achieve the impossible and finish 3rd with Rangers in a normal 2 horse race and lead them on their record streak of 10 games without a win.

Also I would like to ask you why throughout the course of this season 2011/12 you have managed to blame everybody for our current predicament, but have failed to take any responsibility for it yourself. Why is that? Surely as manager it is your responsibility? A true leader in whatever field of life show’s his/her true courage in taking responsibility when being at the helm. I liken you to a certain Captain Smith of Titanic infamy. We are in my humble opinion akin to the SS Titanic in being unsinkable and your tactics and that of your crew in particular a certain Peter Grant are in true fashion blind to the iceberg ahead. Once you sink Aston Villa, we will remain at the depths of the English Football League and you will leave with a golden handshake of millions of £££’s. Go look in the mirror and say to yourself  “Am I the man to lead Aston Villa Forward”  Your conscience should tell you to do the honourable and decent thing… Walk now Mr McLeish and admit that you could not do the job you said you could when interviewed. You tried, you failed, and are now a multi-millionaire who is unemployable at any other English Premier League club

I have been following Aston Villa for over 25 years now and come from a Villa supporting family with over 100 years’ worth of support, and I can honestly say this is the worst I have ever seen. Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem. A poll conducted by a Villa fans site suggests 96% of fans would like you to step down as manager, but still you suggest the silent majority are backing you? I can assure that you have managed to lose the backing of all Aston Villa fans with your negative brand of football. Also the fact your negative brand of football fails to deliver results. Correct me if I’m wrong but football is a results business?

So for the good of Aston Villa please tender your resignation immediately before irreparable damage is done.

Yours Sincerely

Chris Hearn

Nice one, any chance of hiring this guy to knock me a letter up to the tosser of an account manager I have at Lloyds TSB, actually the similarity between McLeish and them is scary, both doomed.

Well you have to say if he has any sense he should sit up and take notice of this letter, even if we survive we can't go on seeing the overall decline of a very decent club.
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Post by: Legion on April 04, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
"I am writing this letter..."

Well, of course.
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Post by: Villanation on April 04, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
"I am writing this letter..."

Well, of course.

How come its signed Chris Hearn???
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Post by: Legion on April 04, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
He is the fan who has initiated the 'McLeishout' website.
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Post by: Villanation on April 04, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
He is the fan who has initiated the 'McLeishout' website.

Well whoever he is, McLeish should take notice because this is short, to the point, concise and accurate and as they say "In a nutshell" IMO.

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Post by: brian green on April 04, 2012, 07:57:22 PM
Too personal and too subjective.   It is the sort of letter which would be written in green ink in the old days.
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 04, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 

I wonder how much this influences the continued employment of McLeish.  Things have really gone to rat shit since we went past the realistic point of hiring externally for this season which leaves an internal appointment.  A man who almost no-one wants or a man who doesn't want it?
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Post by: Aston Manor on April 04, 2012, 08:05:49 PM
With the  situation surrounding Stan there won't be too much vitriol at the ground for the rest of the season. If we do avoid the drop,and that now has become a big IF, then the time to vent our feelings is either after the final whistle following the last home game or at Norwich where we'd be drowned out whilst they celebrate their great season.
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Post by: London Villan on April 04, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
He probably gets dozens of these every week.
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Post by: Legion on April 04, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
He got one off me a few weeks ago. I was constructive, positive and encouraging. Never got a response.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 04, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: bones. on April 04, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
Talkshite interview here.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/120404/mcleish-admits-petrov-has-been-humbled-support-168778
I dont know how to shorten the link Im afraid. The interview is about five minutes long


I dont think the form has been  practically bad he said

you are third from bottom in the 2012 form guide Alex.
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Post by: brian green on April 04, 2012, 08:30:43 PM
He got one off me too which was objective, inoffensive and good humoured, all of which took a lot of effort bearing in mind how strongly I feel about our plight.   I did not get a reply but I did not expect one.   I imagine there is a great big cardboard box by his desk with the words "hate mail" written in black felt pen across the top.
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Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
The letter was far far too personal and if anything would probably make Mcleish want to carry on rather than quit.
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Post by: hawkeye on April 04, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
I think writing to RL is a better idea.
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Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2012, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on April 04, 2012, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 04, 2012, 01:52:17 PM

Not at this moment, no. You're not going to get a new manager, or at least not the right choice, so we'd have have Kev Mac until the end of the season and I don't think he wants to be in charge. 

I wonder how much this influences the continued employment of McLeish.

I was thinking this earlier, you both have a point.

I doubt Kevin Mac would want the pressure of keeping us up which is a shame because i'd be a lot more confident if it were him in charge.
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Post by: villadelph on April 05, 2012, 12:43:43 AM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
The letter was far far too personal and if anything would probably make Mcleish want to carry on rather than quit.

I agree.

The man is making £2mil a year, he's not going to f'ing quit. Are you serious?!
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 05, 2012, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Collins v Chelsea?

Throw in.

Is a throw in a set piece? Guess so. It's also Stoketastic.

Right now I'll take any goal for us, however they come. At the end of the season when we look back and realise we got the required points from goals off deflected arses and tits, from corners, throw ins or via Shay Given directly I'll take it.
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Post by: villadelph on April 05, 2012, 01:33:37 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 05, 2012, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 04, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Collins v Chelsea?

Throw in.

Is a throw in a set piece? Guess so. It's also Stoketastic.

Right now I'll take any goal for us, however they come. At the end of the season when we look back and realise we got the required points from goals off deflected arses and tits, from corners, throw ins or via Shay Given directly I'll take it.

hell, I'll take whatever shot we can get.

let alone a goal..
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Post by: TheSandman on April 05, 2012, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 04, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
I think writing to RL is a better idea.

Writing to any of them is a waste of paper and ink. Straight into the waste paper basket and if you're lucky they might get Edna the secretary to mail you out some kind of auto reply.
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Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 05, 2012, 04:53:41 AM
You need to forge Fergy's signature to get noticed!
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Post by: ROBBO on April 05, 2012, 06:07:19 AM
I wonder how Lerner feels about his appointment now? i am not one of those that think he will remain with us should we be relegated. At the start of the season he said he wanted to equal or better last seasons position and i imagine that's what he would have said to Lerner, considering the financial loss the owner is looking at he must be as alarmed as much as the rest of us at our predicament.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 05, 2012, 07:43:30 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 05, 2012, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 04, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
I think writing to RL is a better idea.

Writing to any of them is a waste of paper and ink. Straight into the waste paper basket and if you're lucky they might get Edna the secretary to mail you out some kind of auto reply.

I reckon even the complimentary ones go straight in the bin, the only Manager I recall with the good grace to answer a letter was Sir Graham.
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Post by: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 08:22:55 AM
Well, with something like £1m a league place it will already have cost Randy millions. Far more than the compensation paid to Blose. A reasonable team with a vaguely competent manager could quite easily finish in the top 8 this season.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 05, 2012, 10:01:26 AM
Mazrim , spot on .     
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 05, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
Randys doing the team talks himself now
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2721750,00.html
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Post by: Merv on April 05, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
Yep. Say we finish 15th this season, that's six places and around £6m lower than last season. Calculate the drop in gate revenue, look at the forecasted season ticket renewals and sales... my estimation is that we've taken a decent hit on those incomes.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 05, 2012, 10:16:21 AM
Leaked from a source in Manchester, possibly not genuine:

Quote
1st April 2012

Dear R,

I hope this finds you well.   I’m writing because, in between my toils and troubles at the top end of the table and in Europe, I couldn’t help noticing the predicament your club currently finds itself in, and the discontent among the fan base.   I have to confess to some pangs of guilt when I see how things have panned out for you.  In mitigation, when, a year ago today, you asked me to suggest a manager who could do a job of shifting out the deadwood, developing the young players,  playing some decent football and maintaining a decent Premier League position, all on a limited budget,  I never in a million years thought you would take the suggestion seriously, given the date and all that.  Perhaps you Americans don’t do April fool’s day, I don’t know.   I really never gave it a second thought, until, to my immense surprise, not to say horror,  I heard you’d not only followed through on the suggestion but had paid a fools ransom to do so.   I knew you and wee Paulie were a bit naοve in the ways of football, but fuck me what were you thinking?  How I LOLled.   I decided to keep quiet and hope for a miracle,  but now feel it’s time to fess up.  Alec’s a decent chap in many ways, but as a manager, well really, you fell for that one hook, line and plonker didn’t you.   It’s not too late to do something to rescue the situation, and I’m sure my old buddy Steve McLaren would relish a return to the PL, and failing that I hear the surprising news that Gary Megson has recently become available again.*

If you need any further advice I’d be only too happy to provide it. Best make it another day though Eh.

All the best

SAF

* Please check the date at the top of this letter before you do anything else stupid.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 05, 2012, 11:07:53 AM
Be nice if Randy Lerner actually went to a game and could see with his own eyes what a mess we have become.
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Post by: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
He watches all the games.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 05, 2012, 12:38:56 PM
He sees what you see - General Krulak
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 05, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
I'm at a complete loss how AM is escaping being torn apart by the media!? It makes no sense! I hope they turn up the heat on him over the next few games and it forces rands hand!
I've never wanted a villa manager out in my life of following villa since 92
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Post by: villanic on April 05, 2012, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 05, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
I'm at a complete loss how AM is escaping being torn apart by the media!? It makes no sense! I hope they turn up the heat on him over the next few games and it forces rands hand!
I've never wanted a villa manager out in my life of following villa since 92

Might have something to do with him be Fegies mate same as Alladyce.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 05, 2012, 01:03:44 PM
Villanic- I think your probably spot on
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 05, 2012, 01:14:21 PM
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2025/jobcentre2au1ms.jpg)
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Post by: john e on April 05, 2012, 01:17:30 PM
whatever it was that Randy saw in AM, and whatever job he was brought in to do, and whatever he expected him to do in his first year.

i'm damn sure it wasnt this
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 05, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
He watches all the games.

we are  in bigger shit than I thought then
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 05, 2012, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 05, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
I'm at a complete loss how AM is escaping being torn apart by the media!? It makes no sense! I hope they turn up the heat on him over the next few games and it forces rands hand!
I've never wanted a villa manager out in my life of following villa since 92
Because they would love him to relegate us

Or Randy has made us completely irrelevant to them
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 05, 2012, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 05, 2012, 07:43:30 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 05, 2012, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 04, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
I think writing to RL is a better idea.

Writing to any of them is a waste of paper and ink. Straight into the waste paper basket and if you're lucky they might get Edna the secretary to mail you out some kind of auto reply.

I reckon even the complimentary ones go straight in the bin, the only Manager I recall with the good grace to answer a letter was Sir Graham.

I got one back from Ron Saunders many moons ago, (another lost gem).
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 05, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
He watches all the games.
What?

Through his fingers I presume?

If he is watching them all, then i'm amazed he's sat on his hands for this long.
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Post by: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:30:16 PM
I agree. But I'm assured he watches all the games on TV.
Probably has a spliced feed from Greg's command centre.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 05, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 05, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
He watches all the games.
What?

Through his fingers I presume?

If he is watching them all, then i'm amazed he's sat on his hands for this long.

He just isn't ruthless Mark, we saw that when he had MON running rings round him unfortunately. I can understand, if it were me and I liked McLeish as a bloke I would find it hard to sack him, wages are not relevant to that decision, but he owns a football club, and needs a new CEO and a new manager, and is not tough enough to boot them both unfortunately.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 05, 2012, 03:41:39 PM
I agree the problem is at this point getting rid of him is pointless it's too late in the season so its sink or swim and right now we sinking slowly but surely.
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Post by: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
It's not pointless. A new manager (or even just the current one not being there) could inspire the team to the average performances needed to get a few points.

I agree it should have been done a while ago or better yet, he should never have been appointed. I dont blame him, I blame our board. He's a crap manager and has brought that consistency here. It all so very predictable.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 05, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
It's not pointless. A new manager (or even just the current one not being there) could inspire the team to the average performances needed to get a few points.

I agree it should have been done a while ago or better yet, he should never have been appointed. I dont blame him, I blame our board. He's a crap manager and has brought that consistency here. It all so very predictable.

Spot on.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 05, 2012, 03:53:07 PM
Based on thier handling of Houllier and McLiesh if they sacked him now we  would be appointing a new manger some time in early July !!

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Post by: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
Fine. Do that then. In the meantime, KMac and Sid can cope.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 05, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
I quite agree ....especially as the squad we have left is mainly the youngsters or players who have come through the system.I doubt KMAC and co could do any worse at the very least the fans would fine thier voices.
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Post by: Merv on April 05, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
He wouldn't do any worse. He'd probably do better. Now that half the current first team squad have come up through the youth ranks and reserves, Kevin has worked with them all, and he'd be ideal to manage them now. I honestly don't understand why, if the plan was to work with the players we have in house already, and operate with a selective transfer budget, we didn't appoint him anyway, rather than hiring one of the worst Premier League managers of all time.

At least the club could have made a clear statement about where we stand, our priorities and plans moving forward, and the majority of fans would have no doubt said: 'fair enough' and got behind KM right from the start, rather than being fed a series of totally inane press release comments.

Of course, if MacDonald didn't/doesn't want the job, that puts the skids on that right away.


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Post by: villanic on April 05, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
If, and it’s a big if, we do sack McLeish then I wouldn’t mind seeing Solskjear. He is a bright young manager who I think is going to be a top manager in the future and I can’t believe he is being linked with the dingles.

Ferguson has said he can see Solskjear one day being the manager at Manure, although the last time Ferguson tipped a manager we ended up with McLeish.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2012, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on April 05, 2012, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 05, 2012, 07:43:30 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 05, 2012, 02:14:30 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 04, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
I think writing to RL is a better idea.

Writing to any of them is a waste of paper and ink. Straight into the waste paper basket and if you're lucky they might get Edna the secretary to mail you out some kind of auto reply.

I reckon even the complimentary ones go straight in the bin, the only Manager I recall with the good grace to answer a letter was Sir Graham.

I got one back from Ron Saunders many moons ago, (another lost gem).

While not a letter, Brian Little did sign my copy of "Return of the Little Villan". I bought it at the club shop went over to reception and asked if they could get him to sign it. Went back a couple of days later and he had. Which was nice. 
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 05, 2012, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 05, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
Ferguson has said he can see Solskjear one day being the manager at Manure, although the last time Ferguson tipped a manager we ended up with McLeish.
I wouldn't trust anything that ruddy faced arse head says.

He's previously raved about the abilities of Steve Bruce and Sam Allardyce.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2012, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
Fine. Do that then. In the meantime, KMac and Sid can cope.

What if they don't want to? Didn't KMac say it wasn't for him last time?
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Post by: villanic on April 05, 2012, 05:37:47 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 05, 2012, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 05, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
Ferguson has said he can see Solskjear one day being the manager at Manure, although the last time Ferguson tipped a manager we ended up with McLeish.
I wouldn't trust anything that ruddy faced arse head says.

He's previously raved about the abilities of Steve Bruce and Sam Allardyce.

I agree but Solskjear has done something those two have never done, He’s won a championship. I know people will say it’s only the Norwegian league but it’s still a decent achievement and it was Molde first ever title which was won in his first season.

I would like to see us go for a younger manager next who has something to prove and wants to achieve success rather than someone who just wants millions to spend and the fucks off when his told no or someone who although was a good manager was ill and had an obsession with the scousers or what we have got now a useless, delusional and negative twonk.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 05, 2012, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2012, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 05, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
Fine. Do that then. In the meantime, KMac and Sid can cope.

What if they don't want to? Didn't KMac say it wasn't for him last time?

The writing was on the wall the way they pissed about with Kevin MacDonald when he stood up to take over when Scab O'Neill threw his toys out the pram. I do wonder if they've learned anything over the last 2 years, the thought of keeping McLeish on next season then deciding to sack him by Xmas will leave them in a similar situation of very few decent managers to choose from, really does scare me.

It was the wrong appointment, they failed to back him, results have been poor and revenue will most certainly fall next season should they keep him on. Add to that the lost PL prize money of £800,000 a place this season, you have to wonder what on earth Randy is thinking. The only real solution is for him to swallow his pride, admit he got it wrong and try again, hopefully without the same advisors he used the last time.

What a mess!
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Post by: Eigentor on April 05, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
My (wild) guess is that McLeish's mandate was to keep Villa in PL with a minimum of backing, for two or three seasons, until the financial mess was sorted out. After that, we could attract a better manager, and better players, as we would be to spend money again.

However, as McLeish may be on the verge of taking us down already in his first season, it would be madness to give him the job of keeping us up in another season of austerity. I think/hope that even Lerner realises this, and that McLeish will be given the boot at the end of the season.
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Post by: brian green on April 05, 2012, 09:06:35 PM
I think Mazrim uses the killer word and that word is predictable.

All but a tiny handful of fantasists could see this coming the instant his appointment was made by a board of uncaring nincompoops.
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Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 05, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
My (wild) guess is that McLeish's mandate was to keep Villa in PL with a minimum of backing, for two or three seasons, until the financial mess was sorted out. After that, we could attract a better manager, and better players, as we would be to spend money again.

However, as McLeish may be on the verge of taking us down already in his first season, it would be madness to give him the job of keeping us up in another season of austerity. I think/hope that even Lerner realises this, and that McLeish will be given the boot at the end of the season.

Why pay £2m a year to someone who's job is to keep us ticking over and get us back on course to try again?  That's why I just can't believe his sole brief was to avoid relegation whilst letting the expenses clear themselves up.  It's also why i can't believe he won't be seen as having failed by the board. 
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 05, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
The sad reality is that they could sack him and no one could really do worse with the squad we have, that is how bad he's doing.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 05, 2012, 11:55:45 PM
It is now a talking shop of people who want the manager to be sacked. They are looking for more support all the time.
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Post by: Fergal on April 06, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
Should have sacked him months ago, most of us could see what was coming.  If we do go down there is only one person to blame and sadly that is Randy.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2012, 12:39:07 AM
The problem with that is that some people think wanting the manager sacked supports the club in wanting the club to be the best it can be.  Other people judge supporting the club to be cheering and not kicking up a fuss.

I'm not denigrating anyone's opinion here but for me me the club and the manager aren't the same thing and currently the manager is doing the club more harm than good.
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Post by: PeterWithe on April 06, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
The window for sacking the manager, where it would do any good has been and gone. We can only hope the players pull together, show some pride and ability, and get us out the mire. I fear any change to the manager now would be futile.
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Post by: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 06, 2012, 08:31:59 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?

Is it the broken line they usually show on the league table ?  You know, the one between 17th and 18th ?
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Post by: Mister E on April 06, 2012, 08:45:27 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/06/alex-mcleish-aston-villa-relegation - McLeish trying to defend his position; as anyone would surely expct him to do.
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Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2012, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?

He's still backing Dr Jo...
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Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2012, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 06, 2012, 08:45:27 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/06/alex-mcleish-aston-villa-relegation - McLeish trying to defend his position; as anyone would surely expct him to do.

Quote
"I said [to him]: 'Just have a chat with the lads in general, I think they would appreciate it because I'm sure they're fed up with my voice every single day

Aren't we all Alex, aren't we all...
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Post by: Risso on April 06, 2012, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?


Just the managers that he [inexplicably] likes.
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Post by: ktvillan on April 06, 2012, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 06, 2012, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?


Just the managers that he [inexplicably] likes.

He is merely an individual employed by the club to do a certain job.  If he's doing that job badly, he's damaging the club, and thus continuing to support him actually runs contrary to supporting the club. 
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Post by: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.
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Post by: Vanilla on April 06, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?

Oh goodness . . . Billy Mcneill!!! Robbie Savage (Yes I know!) writes in the Daily Mirror today that Villa seem to play a different tactic every game with no overall strategy. This worryingly kind of reminds you of Billy McBingo. 
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Post by: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.


i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one
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Post by: villadelph on April 06, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
I just don't understand how bad we need to be in order for him to get the ax.. How long can we be so piss poor and the manager go unscathed. We've looked like a relegation candidate all season.
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Post by: Nev on April 06, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.


i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 06, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.
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Post by: Monty on April 06, 2012, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Nev on April 06, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.


i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.

That last reason is crucial for me. He can't take any responsibility for the mess we're in or the ghastly football we've played, which is unacceptable.
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Post by: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Nev on April 06, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.


i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.


he may be a rubbish manager, i would agree, but calling a man a Coward is to make it a personal attack on his Character and integrity, it goes to far in my own view
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Post by: Ron Manager on April 06, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.

Exactly!.
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Post by: Nev on April 06, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: Nev on April 06, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: john e on April 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 06, 2012, 12:02:52 PM
He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.


i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.


he may be a rubbish manager, i would agree, but calling a man a Coward is to make it a personal attack on his Character and integrity, it goes to far in my own view

I don't know the man, I can only comment on his ability as a football manager.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 06, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 06, 2012, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?

He's still backing Dr Jo...
Nice bloke was Dr.Jo.
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 06, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 06, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.

we would deserve nothing more
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Post by: john e on April 06, 2012, 06:26:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 06, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.


my Dads a steward at the MK Dons, i'm going to ask him to keep a special eye on you Fletch
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 06, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
Quote from: John on April 06, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.

Exactly!.

Not really.

We all support the club, but the vast majority of people on here want this manager out. I hope McLeish is happy tomorrow night as we've got three points. In fact, I hope he gets three points every match till the end of the season.

And then when the season is over, I hope he's picking up his P45.
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Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 06, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.
It is the anti-McLeish people doing the whingeing and whining. I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.
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Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.
I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.

Yes which is why you've only mentioned that 'poison dwarf' about 8 times today.

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Post by: Eigentor on April 06, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 05, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 05, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
My (wild) guess is that McLeish's mandate was to keep Villa in PL with a minimum of backing, for two or three seasons, until the financial mess was sorted out. After that, we could attract a better manager, and better players, as we would be to spend money again.

However, as McLeish may be on the verge of taking us down already in his first season, it would be madness to give him the job of keeping us up in another season of austerity. I think/hope that even Lerner realises this, and that McLeish will be given the boot at the end of the season.

Why pay £2m a year to someone who's job is to keep us ticking over and get us back on course to try again?  That's why I just can't believe his sole brief was to avoid relegation whilst letting the expenses clear themselves up.  It's also why i can't believe he won't be seen as having failed by the board. 

That would be £2m to keep a fairly depleted squad up. Besides, I think the board expected McLeish to keep us up more comfortably than what he now appears to be doing.

Houllier's idea was to clean up the mess he inherited from MON and start anew. Having funded MON's mess, Randy wasn't keen on funding the cleaning up as well, and appointed McLeish whose mandate was simply to do his best with what he had got. And while I don't think the board was so deluded that they thought the General's fourth or fifth, or Faulkner's seventh (?), were possible, they probably (rightly) expected better than fifteenth and a relegation scrap.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.
It is the anti-McLeish people doing the whingeing and whining. I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.

I'm not sure I like the concept of being anti-McLeish.  I'd like to think of myself as pro-villa and knowing that the club deserve better.  My issues with McLeish are nothing personal but rather I just don't think he's the right manager for the situation we're in.  I actually think he could do a decent job at the right club, but we're not that club.

Unfortunately he needs to see this himself and walk away which won't happen as everyone knows that his chances of getting another premier league job are shot.
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Post by: paul_e on April 06, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 06, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 05, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 05, 2012, 08:42:28 PM
My (wild) guess is that McLeish's mandate was to keep Villa in PL with a minimum of backing, for two or three seasons, until the financial mess was sorted out. After that, we could attract a better manager, and better players, as we would be to spend money again.

However, as McLeish may be on the verge of taking us down already in his first season, it would be madness to give him the job of keeping us up in another season of austerity. I think/hope that even Lerner realises this, and that McLeish will be given the boot at the end of the season.

Why pay £2m a year to someone who's job is to keep us ticking over and get us back on course to try again?  That's why I just can't believe his sole brief was to avoid relegation whilst letting the expenses clear themselves up.  It's also why i can't believe he won't be seen as having failed by the board. 

That would be £2m to keep a fairly depleted squad up. Besides, I think the board expected McLeish to keep us up more comfortably than what he now appears to be doing.

Houllier's idea was to clean up the mess he inherited from MON and start anew. Having funded MON's mess, Randy wasn't keen on funding the cleaning up as well, and appointed McLeish whose mandate was simply to do his best with what he had got. And while I don't think the board was so deluded that they thought the General's fourth or fifth, or Faulkner's seventh (?), were possible, they probably (rightly) expected better than fifteenth and a relegation scrap.

Still seems a big contract to just tick along.  I agree that the brief would have been to make do with what you've got for a season but I will never accept that the board ever considered that to include us finishing bottom half.

The reality is that from christmas onwards last year we were a top 6 side, it was our terrible form/injuries (looked this up a while back, we had about 17-18 more injuries than the next side in the list, which is based on players that were given squad numbers, we were up over 60 for the season) in october and november that let us down.  From that squad:

Friedel replaced by Given
L Young replaced by Hutton
A Young replaced by Nzogbia
Reo-Coker replaced by Jenas
Downing not replaced
Makoun not replaced
Walker not replaced

So 3 players down (if the quality isn't as high McLeish has to take some responsibility) but that can be partially offset by the fact that Bannan, Clark, Albrighton, Herd, Baker had all experienced premier league football during last season, it's also worth noting that Makoun going out on loan was totally the choice of McLeish, so the actual difference in terms of available squad is 2.

Given that I'd expect 8-9th was in the boards mind as a rough guide of where we should be.  The wage offered to McLeish fits that spot nicely as well.  a place or 2 down from there would be acceptable but I personally think anything below 11th is a poor return.

Once you look at the actual table and see how weak it is outside the top 5 (top 2 are miles ahead with a group of 3 behind them) 6th was definitely available this season, we'd have needed everything to go to plan but we should've at least been in the picture.

I just won't accept that the board thought at the start of the season that 15th would be a reasonable return on the season.
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Post by: Legion on April 06, 2012, 08:02:38 PM
At the moment, if we finished 15th I'd be overjoyed.
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Post by: Eigentor on April 06, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 06, 2012, 08:01:32 PM
I just won't accept that the board thought at the start of the season that 15th would be a reasonable return on the season.

I think that we're basically in agreement. Our dismal results last season was partially down to injuries, and partially down to Houllier pissing off several of the most influential players in the squad. But the latter is what you would expect when someone tries to teach the pupils of MON 21st century football.

McLeish would have less talented players to work with, but as he (among the players) was a less divisive figure, he would, the board expected, lead us to somewhere like ninth again. 15th will be far below expectations, I think.
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Post by: Fergal on April 06, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
McLiesh needs to be removed before we can improve.  He might be a nice bloke and all that but he is a shit manager.  Look at his record for Gods sake is's nothing short of embarrassing for a Premiership manager.  Also nothing short of miles away from what a Villa manager should be aiming for.  His Pts to games  ratio is worse than Dollys ever was.  For the sake of Aston Villa sack him before it's too late.
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Post by: villajk on April 06, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
Eigentor, Just out of curiosity, what is a Muppet Hero?
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Post by: claret and blue blood on April 06, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
anyone else dreading the next 72 hours? I don't give a shit about McLeish anymore but 2 defeats and we are staring straight down the barrel !
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Post by: TheSandman on April 06, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Or two wins and we'll be looking upwards and feeling relieved and happy...
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Post by: claret and blue blood on April 06, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
I'll take the 2 wins please !
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Post by: Irish villain on April 06, 2012, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 06, 2012, 08:02:38 PM
At the moment, if we finished 15th I'd be overjoyed.

My United supporting best friend reckons 'villa will probably stumble to 16th as is there habit every five years or so'.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 06, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 06, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 06, 2012, 06:43:18 PM
It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.
It is the anti-McLeish people doing the whingeing and whining. I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.

I'm not sure I like the concept of being anti-McLeish.  I'd like to think of myself as pro-villa and knowing that the club deserve better.  My issues with McLeish are nothing personal but rather I just don't think he's the right manager for the situation we're in.  I actually think he could do a decent job at the right club, but we're not that club.

Unfortunately he needs to see this himself and walk away which won't happen as everyone knows that his chances of getting another premier league job are shot.

I think Wolves would be ideal for McLeish , not Villa.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 06, 2012, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on April 06, 2012, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 06, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.
Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?
Gut feeling is the answer. Nothing is that black and white.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 07, 2012, 01:19:55 AM
His latest ramblings in the press today about the squad and that he would take 15th and is sure we have just enough to survive is a sad indication of how far he has lost his way. We should have got the job done when we had Englands number 9 fit and firing, when we have totally misused a winger who scored 10 goals for a side that finished 17th last season and is used to being in a scrap, when the side was so negative that we have won once in 5 months at home. To now be bigging up how he is bringing through the youngsters with such a depleted squad, when, as Dave in Jan set as a quiz question, there was a point where we could name a full squad of internationals, is a disgrace. The man should not be allowed to ruin the kids too in the run in and then try and milk glory out of survival with this squad, he should be sacked tomorrow am. Woeful.
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Post by: brian green on April 07, 2012, 07:18:27 AM
In a nutshell ozz.   The situation in which we find ourselves now has been caused purely and simply by failure to get wins and points before the current injuries and illness struck.   That we should be in this position at this point in the season is as disgraceful as actually being relegated.   The board and the manager are perfect for each other, they are all incompetents in denial.
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Post by: nodge on April 07, 2012, 07:55:46 AM
It looks like he's got himself a job as umpire in Sri Lanka
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 07, 2012, 08:04:18 AM
I think in terms of mandate it would have been to gain respectable position and be in the mix to be best of the rest outsside the Top 6. I.e. with Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland, Fulham and maybe Stoke. So 7th at best, 12th at worst. The current situation is that we are going to finish below Norwich, Swansea and possibly the Albyion - all of whom play or try to play much better football from what I have seen.
So those facts in themselves are reason enough for him not to be here next season. In some other seasons with our points tally we be 1 or 2 points clear of relegation - this is a very average Premiership - witness Man Utd and their record points tally with a transitional team that isnt a patch on the team of 3-4 years ago.
I don't think we are safe yet as QPR and Blackburn will scrap ugly and eek out points even against the better teams, Bolton and Wigan create a lot of chances. We have far more playing potential and ability but mentally I think we are featherweight. Bolton game is the key one. Jeeps this is disconcerting to say the least.
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 07, 2012, 08:06:45 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 06, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Or two wins and we'll be looking upwards and feeling relieved and happy...

Hoping not expecting Zogmeister
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Post by: Rico on April 07, 2012, 09:57:32 AM
Mcleish is most likely the worst appointment in Villa's history. All the other candidates in recent years have had ti some mitigating circumstances. Graham Turner - out of his depth, Billy McNeil, shit as he was, was appointed mid season if memory serves me right. Dr Jo was a gamble, but did at least have some track record. O'Leary was a good appointment at the time. He just turned out to be a utter pillock. But Mcleish had previous for being shit. What Learner and Faulkner were thinking god only knows. Go now!
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Post by: Pete3206 on April 07, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
Watching him shuffling uncomfortably in that press conference yesterday was embarrassing. Yes, I think we would all accept 15th place this season, but the man's whole demeanor, was that of someone who knows the game is up. Despite what he says, I don't think he is at all confident that he can keep us up. I'm convinced that if it wasn't for the prospect of a sizable pay off, he would have gone weeks ago.

What a mess.     
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Post by: ez on April 07, 2012, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Rico on April 07, 2012, 09:57:32 AM
Mcleish is most likely the worst appointment in Villa's history. All the other candidates in recent years have had ti some mitigating circumstances. Graham Turner - out of his depth, Billy McNeil, shit as he was, was appointed mid season if memory serves me right. Dr Jo was a gamble, but did at least have some track record. O'Leary was a good appointment at the time. He just turned out to be a utter pillock. But Mcleish had previous for being shit. What Learner and Faulkner were thinking god only knows. Go now!

It will go down in villa history as one of the most bizarre moments. I can only guess they saw blues winning a trophy and thought McDonut was a was a good manager at a crap club... but i don't know. Its mind boggling.
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Post by: nodge on April 07, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
My son put one of his Villa DVD's on the other day and the 5-1 game against small heath came on.  At one point (at about 4-0) the camera panned to the bench and McLeish's face. I nearly cried.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 07, 2012, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: nodge on April 07, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
My son put one of his Villa DVD's on the other day and the 5-1 game against small heath came on.  At one point (at about 4-0) the camera panned to the bench and McLeish's face. I nearly cried.


Nodge , I still cant believe he is manager of ASTON VILLA F.C
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Post by: ez on April 07, 2012, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 06, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
Or two wins and we'll be looking upwards and feeling relieved and happy...
This would make such a difference to my state of being of late.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 07, 2012, 02:06:46 PM
This is from the Birmingham post on June 23rd 2011 from AM
“It’s about trading carefully for the benefit and future of the club, getting the club to a competitive state in terms of where we are in the league.

“We want to get up that league as high as we can and compete in the cup competitions. I’m not sure that we’ll get the whole lot (of Young’s transfer fee), but there will be funds available.


As high as we can!? Doesn't sound like someone anticipating the 'relegation fight' and always knew it would be tough 'spin' that we are now being fed by him!
A load of bollocks comes out that guys mouth and somehow every time he speaks I find myself disliking him more and more
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Post by: woody4866 on April 07, 2012, 09:05:04 PM
Unfortunately he will last the season (it makes me weep :')

I reckon we will lose Bent in the summer and he will be given some of the funds for re-building, players from the lower league and Jockland all on lower wages together with the kids coming through

With the likes of Southampton and Reading coming up and Swansea and Norwich getting some better players now they have the SKY money, plus better managers, I reckon next season will get worse, a whole lot worse >:(
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Post by: Steve67 on April 07, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
With the likes of Reading and Saints coming up, we will see fewer fans at Villa Park as they are not the best supported clubs in the world.  Every penny will be gratefully accepted.  As someone said in another thread, how long will it take for Randy to realise that McLeish isn't financially viable.  Losing fans etc.  No wonder Stan is telling us that Randy will spend heavily.  It's the only chance he's got of getting the fans back on board.
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 07, 2012, 09:32:23 PM
There can be only one happy outcome... McL will have to go... whether it'll be in the summer or next season sometime is debatable. He's just not good enough.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 07, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 07, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
With the likes of Reading and Saints coming up, we will see fewer fans at Villa Park as they are not the best supported clubs in the world.  Every penny will be gratefully accepted.  As someone said in another thread, how long will it take for Randy to realise that McLeish isn't financially viable.  Losing fans etc.  No wonder Stan is telling us that Randy will spend heavily.  It's the only chance he's got of getting the fans back on board.


Well if he does start spending again you have to wander what this season has been about - we're still leaking money like a seive and no major wages have come off since the summer.. I still think its more likely the likes of Carlos/Petrov/Heskey will be let go and we'll be looking at free transfers or at the very best a couple of 5/6m players on lower wages.. Spending heavily? Can't see it.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 07, 2012, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: nodge on April 07, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
My son put one of his Villa DVD's on the other day and the 5-1 game against small heath came on.  At one point (at about 4-0) the camera panned to the bench and McLeish's face. I nearly cried.

I've had exactly the same experience - it's like you've been kicked in the stomach when his face pops up.
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Post by: joe_c on April 07, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 07, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
With the likes of Reading and Saints coming up, we will see fewer fans at Villa Park as they are not the best supported clubs in the world. Every penny will be gratefully accepted.  As someone said in another thread, how long will it take for Randy to realise that McLeish isn't financially viable.  Losing fans etc.  No wonder Stan is telling us that Randy will spend heavily.  It's the only chance he's got of getting the fans back on board.

Don't think that's relevant at all, with the exception of Wolves none of the clubs in danger who they'll replace are likely to bring many fans or attract many casual Villa fans.
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 07, 2012, 10:43:49 PM
Quote from: joe_c on April 07, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 07, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
With the likes of Reading and Saints coming up, we will see fewer fans at Villa Park as they are not the best supported clubs in the world. Every penny will be gratefully accepted.  As someone said in another thread, how long will it take for Randy to realise that McLeish isn't financially viable.  Losing fans etc.  No wonder Stan is telling us that Randy will spend heavily.  It's the only chance he's got of getting the fans back on board.

Don't think that's relevant at all, with the exception of Wolves none of the clubs in danger who they'll replace are likely to bring many fans or attract many casual Villa fans.

I have seen Southampton and Reading in the flesh this season and they will be two more teams who play much better football than us as long as McDuff is still in charge.

I wouldn't trust McLeish to get the best out of any attacking players he buys. And I mean any.
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Post by: Fergal on April 07, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
Regardless of today's result I still want him out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: olaftab on April 07, 2012, 11:20:50 PM
This was a draw against a team  that has lost 6 out of last 7. It is not really any redemption.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:32:53 PM
Just caught the highlights, and crikey, we battled for that point.

The problem is, you can't play like that week in, week out, because you won't hold on often enough.

Most important thing today was to get something out of the game, but this bloke has got to be removed from the club as soon as possible, because regardless of who he buys this summer, and how much money he gets backed with, next season is going to be more of the same.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.

Remind us again of your prediction for this match against an out of form team who are a shadow of their former selves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
I'm no fan of AM, but getting a point in a game where few thought we'd get anything other than a battering and still slaughtering him seems a tad OTT to me. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.

Remind us again of your prediction for this match against an out of form team who are a shadow of their former selves.

Why does it matter, though, that lots of us thought we'd get tonked, and we scraped a draw? In the wider picture it doesn't change anything, does it?

If Liverpool are out of form and a shadow of their former selves, what are we, slugging it out with Wigan and Bolton at the bottom?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 07, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.


thats fair comment, but by the same token thats the weakest team we've taken up there in donkey's years. If they're a shadow of the old Liverpool then we're practically a ghost of our former selves. They're playing crap but frankly in terms of money spent and proven ability in their team they would expect to turn us over every time.  They didn't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.

Remind us again of your prediction for this match against an out of form team who are a shadow of their former selves.

Well, I thought they'd have the vast majority of the play, we'd sit back and they'd win 2-0. We had a decent start, worked a half-chance, got ourselves a goal from it, they pushed basically the rest of the game, missed a few sitters, we scrapped a 1-1 draw.

PWS, I'm not slaughtering him, I just don't think the performance today was that good, we got a draw playing a way which has brought us defeats throughout the season and it hasn't really changed my opinion about the manager. I think this is a rational and objective response (not to say that all other responses are irrational).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on April 07, 2012, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:06:49 PM
Let's not get carried away about today, we scrapped our way to a draw at one of the most out-of-form teams in the league, a side who are barely a shadow of what they were. If we'd got that draw at, say, Everton or Newcastle (better sides than Liverpool this season, certainly in better form) people would be much more sceptical about that performance and result. The name 'Liverpool' is deceptive here - they have well and truly fallen. It certainly hasn't changed my mind about the manager.

Remind us again of your prediction for this match against an out of form team who are a shadow of their former selves.

I voted for a draw personally, and I'm probably more disappointed than anyone on here.  I didn't think they'd beat us mainly because they've been shit since christmas, but I didn't think we'd even try to beat them.  I got that a little wrong as we started very well, just perplexing that we then let them take control by sitting deep and punting in long for the rest of the game.

The players have to take some responsibility but the more I see of the team the more I think the vast majority of our training involves defence vs attack where the defenders 'score' by clearing it to halfway.  Whoever plays and whoever we're playing we seem to fall back to that pattern as soon as teams put us under any pressure.  The problem being that it just invites more pressure, too often we look like we're not even interested in trying to mount a counter-attack, let alone try to keep the ball and calm the game down.

Look at my posting history prior to this season, I'm not a negative person usually (in fact look at my post on the rugby and cricket threads) I just don't see any future for us playing this way.  Some games we will do well and scrape a win but it's just not going to happen regularly enough to ever see us move above midtable at best.  However you try to measure it this season hasn't been good enough, we're not likely to go down as we've done just enough all season to never be in great danger but I just can't be happy with doing just enough to get by.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
I'm no fan of AM, but getting a point in a game where few thought we'd get anything other than a battering and still slaughtering him seems a tad OTT to me. 

The point we took is the most important thing by far. I'd happily watch us spend every minute of every match shitting ourselves as the ball pinged off the woodwork of our goal if it meant we stayed up.

However, people are hardly going to massively re-evaluate their opinion of him based on today. He's not getting slaughtered for today, either, he's getting discussed in the negative terms he's been discussed all season, which isn't massively surprising.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:51:11 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
PWS, I'm not slaughtering him, I just don't think the performance today was that good, we got a draw playing a way which has brought us defeats throughout the season and it hasn't really changed my opinion about the manager. I think this is a rational and objective response (not to say that all other responses are irrational).

That's my standpoint, which I didn't really explain in the post above.

We could quite easily have lost that game 4-1. We didn't, which is easily the most important thing, but it's still not really a blueprint for the remainder of the season, as we'll fail to get away with it far more than is advisable.

On the bright side, I reckon the kids learned more in those 90 minutes than lots do in a season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: ktvillan on April 07, 2012, 11:52:29 PM
Although the youngsters deserve credit it was a classic McLeish performance today, backs to the wall, desperate defending, hope to nick a goal and avoid conceding too many.  This time it worked,  to an extent at least, in part due to some good luck, in part due to some poor Liverpool finishing, in part due to a brave battling performance.  But as Paulie said it doesn't work week in week out and McLeish has already proved that with his dreadful Blues teams and too often with us.  How he managed to spawn a cup win playing like that I'll never know.  If he stays, I think we can "look forward" to a lot more of the same, whoever he signs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 07, 2012, 11:55:18 PM
Ktvillan, you raise a very important point - Liverpool's famous profligacy this season. If this, as you say, very 'McLeish' performance was going to yield a result against anyone in the top half this season, it's Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
I'm no fan of AM, but getting a point in a game where few thought we'd get anything other than a battering and still slaughtering him seems a tad OTT to me. 

The point we took is the most important thing by far. I'd happily watch us spend every minute of every match shitting ourselves as the ball pinged off the woodwork of our goal if it meant we stayed up.

However, people are hardly going to massively re-evaluate their opinion of him based on today. He's not getting slaughtered for today, either, he's getting discussed in the negative terms he's been discussed all season, which isn't massively surprising.

I don't expect people to start fluffing him after today, i'm certainly not going to, but considering the sides we've had to put out the past 2 games a smidgen of credit for how we've performed is only fair. We may have been under the cosh today, but we showed heart on the pitch to get that point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2012, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2012, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
I'm no fan of AM, but getting a point in a game where few thought we'd get anything other than a battering and still slaughtering him seems a tad OTT to me. 

The point we took is the most important thing by far. I'd happily watch us spend every minute of every match shitting ourselves as the ball pinged off the woodwork of our goal if it meant we stayed up.

However, people are hardly going to massively re-evaluate their opinion of him based on today. He's not getting slaughtered for today, either, he's getting discussed in the negative terms he's been discussed all season, which isn't massively surprising.

I don't expect people to start fluffing him after today, i'm certainly not going to, but considering the sides we've had to put out the past 2 games a smidgen of credit for how we've performed is only fair. We may have been under the cosh today, but we showed heart on the pitch to get that point.

True, and that is something pretty much everyone has remarked on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
I still don't know what he was supposed to do given the team he had. Go all out attacking? as i said on another thread, a very very much better set of villa players got mullered there 5-0 not that long ago, and that one hardly took the game to liverpool either
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
I still don't know what he was supposed to do given the team he had. Go all out attacking? as i said on another thread, a very very much better set of villa players got mullered there 5-0 not that long ago, and that one hardly took the game to liverpool either

No Greg, but the total lack of possession retention is a season-long problem at least which, unlike under GH last season, has not even shown tentative signs of improvement (cue Greg bringing up last season's capitulation at Liverpool). Retaining possession, as shown by Swansea's 'goals conceded' column, is a better defensive tactic than our 'sit back and hope' tactic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

The players are used to playing that style from the youth and reserve teams though. They're trained in that, and training is all important. Bannan, Gardner, and add in Ireland as well, we have some very good technical players who need only encouragement and training to at least try and play this way (I use Herd as a good example - clearly not the most technically gifted, but seems trained to play decent, short passing football, with the odd play-spreading ball). What's letting them down are systems and, I'd wager, lack of effective training.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

Professional footballers don't get to premiership level if they can't pass to a reasonable level.  Most of these players were here towards the end of last season where we started to play some good passing football.  This season we've completely abandoned a passing game, at which point it becomes irrelevant whether the players are capable or not.

As for the losing 5-0 there a few years back, that was to a liverpool side who were in the middle of a 20(I think) match unbeaten run and were pushing for the title, it's no comparison and offers no value to the conversation.

The facts are we scored, then we backed off and tried (valiantly) to keep a clean sheet.  you can't fault the players massively as we batteld well and nearly pulled it off but you do have to question the sense behind either choosing to do that or not doing anything to stop it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

Professional footballers don't get to premiership level if they can't pass to a reasonable level.  Most of these players were here towards the end of last season where we started to play some good passing football.  This season we've completely abandoned a passing game, at which point it becomes irrelevant whether the players are capable or not.

As for the losing 5-0 there a few years back, that was to a liverpool side who were in the middle of a 20(I think) match unbeaten run and were pushing for the title, it's no comparison and offers no value to the conversation.

The facts are we scored, then we backed off and tried (valiantly) to keep a clean sheet.  you can't fault the players massively as we batteld well and nearly pulled it off but you do have to question the sense behind either choosing to do that or not doing anything to stop it.


well thats a load of crap really. the likes of Dunne, Warnock collins etc... weren't passing like Barcelona under MON, they didn't need to - it was hoof or give it to someone who could like milner or young.. It works to an extent if you have good  dominant midfielders,- we haven't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

Professional footballers don't get to premiership level if they can't pass to a reasonable level.  Most of these players were here towards the end of last season where we started to play some good passing football.  This season we've completely abandoned a passing game, at which point it becomes irrelevant whether the players are capable or not.

As for the losing 5-0 there a few years back, that was to a liverpool side who were in the middle of a 20(I think) match unbeaten run and were pushing for the title, it's no comparison and offers no value to the conversation.

The facts are we scored, then we backed off and tried (valiantly) to keep a clean sheet.  you can't fault the players massively as we batteld well and nearly pulled it off but you do have to question the sense behind either choosing to do that or not doing anything to stop it.


well thats a load of crap really. the likes of Dunne, Warnock collins etc... weren't passing like Barcelona under MON, they didn't need to - it was hoof or give it to someone who could like milner or young.. It works to an extent if you have good  dominant midfielders,- we haven't.

Stop bringing it back to mon, it's getting dull.  My point is, to make it as a professional footballer, you have to have a level of fitness and skill, it doesn't need to be exceptional but you can't seriously think the premier league is full of players who can't pass a ball 10-15 yards to feet if the training and tactics encourage them to do so.  I'm not asking for Barcelona but I'm not willing to settle for wimbledon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.

I think AM has given most of the kids a fair crack of the whip this season.

Herd played a lot until he was injured and is back in. Likewise Clark was pretty regular until his injury. Bannan and Albrighton have had chances and not really done enough to warrant many more games than they've had. Lichaj was injured most of the season.

I'd like to see GG and Weimann start a few more games before the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.


well thats a good point however the percieved wisdom is you don't stick youth players in when a team is doing bad as they tend to falter and lose confidence. Perhaps he should have blooded more earlier but i can't say i'm happy with us selecting 7 in what is in all but name a relegation battle. I'm not sure what else he could do though given our numbers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

Professional footballers don't get to premiership level if they can't pass to a reasonable level.  Most of these players were here towards the end of last season where we started to play some good passing football.  This season we've completely abandoned a passing game, at which point it becomes irrelevant whether the players are capable or not.

As for the losing 5-0 there a few years back, that was to a liverpool side who were in the middle of a 20(I think) match unbeaten run and were pushing for the title, it's no comparison and offers no value to the conversation.

The facts are we scored, then we backed off and tried (valiantly) to keep a clean sheet.  you can't fault the players massively as we batteld well and nearly pulled it off but you do have to question the sense behind either choosing to do that or not doing anything to stop it.


well thats a load of crap really. the likes of Dunne, Warnock collins etc... weren't passing like Barcelona under MON, they didn't need to - it was hoof or give it to someone who could like milner or young.. It works to an extent if you have good  dominant midfielders,- we haven't.

Stop bringing it back to mon, it's getting dull.  My point is, to make it as a professional footballer, you have to have a level of fitness and skill, it doesn't need to be exceptional but you can't seriously think the premier league is full of players who can't pass a ball 10-15 yards to feet if the training and tactics encourage them to do so.  I'm not asking for Barcelona but I'm not willing to settle for wimbledon.


we saw under Houllier they couldn't didn't we?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.


well thats a good point however the percieved wisdom is you don't stick youth players in when a team is doing bad as they tend to falter and lose confidence. Perhaps he should have blooded more earlier but i can't say i'm happy with us selecting 7 in what is in all but name a relegation battle. I'm not sure what else he could do though given our numbers

He's been blooding them since the first game of the season as subs. With Herd and Bannan starting games by early September. As was Delph.

I don't get how he could have bloodied them earlier without sticking a bunch straight into the first team from the off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish? [Reply#1948] (With added protest Reply #2351)
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:47:47 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:44:34 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:25:05 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
I agree on that Monty, buts its been a problem ever since we lost the better players in midfield. Take out Milner, Young, Downing etc. and we're not that good a passing side unfortuntely

Professional footballers don't get to premiership level if they can't pass to a reasonable level.  Most of these players were here towards the end of last season where we started to play some good passing football.  This season we've completely abandoned a passing game, at which point it becomes irrelevant whether the players are capable or not.

As for the losing 5-0 there a few years back, that was to a liverpool side who were in the middle of a 20(I think) match unbeaten run and were pushing for the title, it's no comparison and offers no value to the conversation.

The facts are we scored, then we backed off and tried (valiantly) to keep a clean sheet.  you can't fault the players massively as we batteld well and nearly pulled it off but you do have to question the sense behind either choosing to do that or not doing anything to stop it.


well thats a load of crap really. the likes of Dunne, Warnock collins etc... weren't passing like Barcelona under MON, they didn't need to - it was hoof or give it to someone who could like milner or young.. It works to an extent if you have good  dominant midfielders,- we haven't.

Stop bringing it back to mon, it's getting dull.  My point is, to make it as a professional footballer, you have to have a level of fitness and skill, it doesn't need to be exceptional but you can't seriously think the premier league is full of players who can't pass a ball 10-15 yards to feet if the training and tactics encourage them to do so.  I'm not asking for Barcelona but I'm not willing to settle for wimbledon.


we saw under Houllier they couldn't didn't we?

As said, we started to play some good football  towards the end of last season where we were passing better and the man on the ball had better options.  That's why I hoped we'd keep GH in some fashion and continue the work he'd started, as well as getting rid of the players that had given him so much shit over the season (which was over the fitness training levels as I understand it, not the technical side of things).
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Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.


well thats a good point however the percieved wisdom is you don't stick youth players in when a team is doing bad as they tend to falter and lose confidence. Perhaps he should have blooded more earlier but i can't say i'm happy with us selecting 7 in what is in all but name a relegation battle. I'm not sure what else he could do though given our numbers

He's been blooding them since the first game of the season as subs. With Herd and Bannan starting games by early September. As was Delph.

I don't get how he could have bloodied them earlier without sticking a bunch straight into the first team from the off.

Why was Baker's first match of the season against Chelsea despite Dunne and Collins being poor for a long period?

More importantly how many times has he picked one of the younger players when he had a choice between them and an (often underperforming) senior player?
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:53:55 AM
Dunne came out this season and said they totally ignored GH's tactics after he was ill and reverted to type, yes we won some games under GMac but suddenly a passing side? not on your nelly. If Houllier had stayed all the old guard would have been gone because when it comes down to it, they're not very good.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 08, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 08, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:24:21 AM
well now you're talking about unproven players who could go either way. To me at least, the kids aren't ready and its going to be like this for the foreseable future. One week they put in a performance the next they go the other way. Once they get some consistency then we can decide if they can pass their way around liverpool's side

Well, there's no doubt that the manager should have played the kids in games earlier this season, certainly ahead of the underperforming seniors. However, for some of these players, I'm not calling them kids anymore - Bannan 21, Lichaj 22, Herd 23, these aren't kids anymore. Granted, Weimann's 20 and Gardner 19, they're young, but others have been underplayed and should just be thought of as first team contenders at this stage.


well thats a good point however the percieved wisdom is you don't stick youth players in when a team is doing bad as they tend to falter and lose confidence. Perhaps he should have blooded more earlier but i can't say i'm happy with us selecting 7 in what is in all but name a relegation battle. I'm not sure what else he could do though given our numbers

He's been blooding them since the first game of the season as subs. With Herd and Bannan starting games by early September. As was Delph.

I don't get how he could have bloodied them earlier without sticking a bunch straight into the first team from the off.

Why was Baker's first match of the season against Chelsea despite Dunne and Collins being poor for a long period?

More importantly how many times has he picked one of the younger players when he had a choice between them and an (often underperforming) senior player?

Because Baker hasn't really looked good enough to get a game but injuries gave no option? Now he has the chance to do a Herd and not be that highly rated but when injuries dictate gets given the chance and it's taken.

Quite a few times. When they've earned the shirt they've generally kept it. 
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 08, 2012, 01:23:57 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 08, 2012, 12:53:55 AM
Dunne came out this season and said they totally ignored GH's tactics after he was ill and reverted to type, yes we won some games under GMac but suddenly a passing side? not on your nelly. If Houllier had stayed all the old guard would have been gone because when it comes down to it, they're not very good.

Agree, we're not great but with the kids and reserves there seems to be a bit of spirit there.  Add a bit more quality in defence and the middle and we'd be a decent  team.  But the old guard do need to go.  They think they're bigger than the club and manager which has been the case for the last 3 or more seasons and as much to do with the mess we're as GH / A Mc.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 08, 2012, 02:21:12 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on April 07, 2012, 11:52:29 PM
Although the youngsters deserve credit it was a classic McLeish performance today, backs to the wall, desperate defending, hope to nick a goal and avoid conceding too many.  This time it worked,  to an extent at least, in part due to some good luck, in part due to some poor Liverpool finishing, in part due to a brave battling performance.  But as Paulie said it doesn't work week in week out and McLeish has already proved that with his dreadful Blues teams and too often with us.  How he managed to spawn a cup win playing like that I'll never know.  If he stays, I think we can "look forward" to a lot more of the same, whoever he signs.


spot on
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Post by: citizenDJ on April 08, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 08, 2012, 02:21:12 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on April 07, 2012, 11:52:29 PM
Although the youngsters deserve credit it was a classic McLeish performance today, backs to the wall, desperate defending, hope to nick a goal and avoid conceding too many.  This time it worked,  to an extent at least, in part due to some good luck, in part due to some poor Liverpool finishing, in part due to a brave battling performance.  But as Paulie said it doesn't work week in week out and McLeish has already proved that with his dreadful Blues teams and too often with us.  How he managed to spawn a cup win playing like that I'll never know.  If he stays, I think we can "look forward" to a lot more of the same, whoever he signs.


spot on

I'm inclined to agree with this, sadly. But, if (and it's a big if, based on nothing more than Mr Collymore's Tweet which may well have been simply to drum up interest in his radio show) he is going to have decent money to spend in the summer, then maybe there is a glimmer of hope.

I don't think for a second that McLeish is likely to change his old approach, but perhaps with the right signings he could do what he does more effectively.

For example, a couple of players who can improve our ability to actually keep the ball would dramatically improve our chances (I know that's hardly news!) of seeing out games. A central defender with a modicum of composure to complement the more 'last ditch' style offered by Cuellar or Collins would do the same. A full-back or two with an ounce of positional sense, too.
Just a couple of key signings, along with the young players coming through who can deputise and provide pretty decent squad cover, could make a big difference.

Again, I'm not say that the football would be drastically more enjoyable to watch, but we would be better equipped to make the most of the way we do play. With Ireland, Gabby, N'Zogbia and Bent we should be able to snatch a goal, and with better posession we might be more likely to hold out for the 1-0 win.

It's not much, and I'm not too optimistic, but it's a possibility.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
Yesterday's result needs to be put in context, it was a useful point when combined with the results of the teams below us. However this is a Liverpool side who had lost 7 out of 8, including to Wigan at home. They are not a good side and it sounds like we went there and desperately hung on for the most of the game. He still definitely needs to go and we need a progressive optimistic manager who can give us hope that we're going somewhere.
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Post by: brian green on April 08, 2012, 02:07:43 PM
As somebody very insightful said on the match thread yesterday how we need a manager with a modern football ideology.

Going to a football match involving a team managed by Alex McLeish is the football equivalent of going to a pole dancing club and staring at the barmaid.
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Post by: lukey27 on April 08, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
I share many of the reservations about Mcleish that everyone else does but I can't criticise him for the way he's set the team up for the last few weeks. We started this season with a very light squad anyway, five central midfielders of any experience in Jenas, Delph, Petrov, Clark and Ireland. Two recognised wide men in N'Zogbia and Albrighton and yesterday we were without 6 of them. Coupled with our £20 mill striker and two experienced centre backs out we're literally down to the scraps.

Many of our problems centre around us not being able to keep possession and build from the middle of the park. Yes Mcleish doesn't help himself much of the time and seemingly reverts to type but he's hampered to a certain extent with what he has to work with at the moment.
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Post by: Ad@m on April 08, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: lukey27 on April 08, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Yes Mcleish doesn't help himself much of the time and seemingly reverts to type but he's hampered to a certain extent with what he has to work with at the moment.

At the moment being the key to that. What's his excuse for the majority of the season when those players were available?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2012, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 08, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: lukey27 on April 08, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Yes Mcleish doesn't help himself much of the time and seemingly reverts to type but he's hampered to a certain extent with what he has to work with at the moment.

At the moment being the key to that. What's his excuse for the majority of the season when those players were available?

Indeed.

All those matches where we had largely no injury problems, but our strikers ambled around aimlessly, such was the near total lack of attacking intent.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2012, 02:43:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2012, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 08, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: lukey27 on April 08, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Yes Mcleish doesn't help himself much of the time and seemingly reverts to type but he's hampered to a certain extent with what he has to work with at the moment.

At the moment being the key to that. What's his excuse for the majority of the season when those players were available?

Indeed.

All those matches where we had largely no injury problems, but our strikers ambled around aimlessly, such was the near total lack of attacking intent.

Yep so he gets no credit from me. Also like I said that Liverpool side is desperately average and they completely dominated us. He has to go and we need to get a manager who has the courage to attack and the know how of how to do it.
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Post by: brian green on April 08, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
No credit from me either.

The big difference in recent weeks in my opinion is that the influx of young new players has brought a degree of team spirit totally missing in the first three quarters of the season.   Our young players know each other, they are probably good mates and they play for the team and each other.

The senior players who, as an earlier poster said would have been outed by Houllier, have soured the dressing room and the training ground with their player power muscle flexing generating in the process a team who gave the impression of hating each other's guts
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 08, 2012, 03:36:49 PM
Plenty of credit from me. The young players have been given more chance under McLeish than ever before and it is slowly starting to pay off. McLeish assembled his first team coaching team to give some continuity with the reserves. A happy squad will bring success. Players like Collins, Hutton and Warnock need a bit of credit as well. They are prepared to get stuck in and you can't fault them for that.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 08, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
It's quite possible that some of the senior players that were given a chance ahead of the kids are part of the problem as they were under GH. The kids put in a hellof a shift yesterday, and McLeish needs credit for that as much as he needs criticism for many things that have transpid this season. I'm really not a fan of the one way praise/criticism street. Criticise and praise as it is due.
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Post by: TheSandman on April 08, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 08, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
No credit from me either.

The big difference in recent weeks in my opinion is that the influx of young new players has brought a degree of team spirit totally missing in the first three quarters of the season.   Our young players know each other, they are probably good mates and they play for the team and each other.

The senior players who, as an earlier poster said would have been outed by Houllier, have soured the dressing room and the training ground with their player power muscle flexing generating in the process a team who gave the impression of hating each other's guts

This, and you can bet as soon as some of the poisonous seniors are fit again they will be back in the fold.
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Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 08, 2012, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 08, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
I'm really not a fan of the one way praise/criticism street. Criticise and praise as it is due.
Fair point but some of the abuse has been out of order and has created a vile atmosphere that we could do without. Taking the piss out of the team, however light-heartedly with 'how shit must you be, we're winning away?' must rankle with the players as well.
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Post by: moetvillain on April 08, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
I certainly would take that spirited performance over the lame duck display we showed Liverpool earlier in the season.  I bet there is some fair difference in wages paid, and disappointingly effort by some of the "big dogs".  Well done Alex, I will happily hand over hard earned money for an ST where we put up players that WANT to play for us
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Post by: Vanilla on April 08, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 08, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
It's quite possible that some of the senior players that were given a chance ahead of the kids are part of the problem as they were under GH. The kids put in a hellof a shift yesterday, and McLeish needs credit for that as much as he needs criticism for many things that have transpid this season. I'm really not a fan of the one way praise/criticism street. Criticise and praise as it is due.

What, young players put in an extra shift when given a chance to play at one of the best stadiums in Europe. Isn't that always going to happen? They are playing for themselves not the manager. Houllier blooded a lot of young players last season when we were short on numbers, sadly a great deal of which have now left the club as enthusiasm doesn't always equal quality.
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Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 08, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 08, 2012, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 08, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
I'm really not a fan of the one way praise/criticism street. Criticise and praise as it is due.
Fair point but some of the abuse has been out of order and has created a vile atmosphere that we could do without. Taking the piss out of the team, however light-heartedly with 'how shit must you be, we're winning away?' must rankle with the players as well.
I just put that down to self effacing humour, like the time we were 5-0 up against Burnley, they scored 2 late goals and started singing
'5-0 and you fucked it up.'
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2012, 05:58:14 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 08, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 08, 2012, 03:50:07 PM
It's quite possible that some of the senior players that were given a chance ahead of the kids are part of the problem as they were under GH. The kids put in a hellof a shift yesterday, and McLeish needs credit for that as much as he needs criticism for many things that have transpid this season. I'm really not a fan of the one way praise/criticism street. Criticise and praise as it is due.

What, young players put in an extra shift when given a chance to play at one of the best stadiums in Europe. Isn't that always going to happen? They are playing for themselves not the manager. Houllier blooded a lot of young players last season when we were short on numbers, sadly a great deal of which have now left the club as enthusiasm doesn't always equal quality.

Anfield isn't even one of the best stadiums in north west England, let alone Europe.
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Post by: Villanation on April 08, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Crucial point yesterday, hard won, quite obvious though on a different day and sharper finishing we would have got pasted, we didn't and that bit of luck is what you need sometimes.

Point is, we got the point, McLiesh needs to make sure we collect at least another point tomorrow, although fortunately it does look as though the teams below us have fallen well short of what they needed to do so we now begin to look safe.

In the short term McLeish at least does something to merit this horrendous wage we are paying him, he makes sure we stay up after an appalling season, as for the longer term, no change here, when the curtain comes down on this season he should be gone, couldn't take another load of rubbish like this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 08, 2012, 10:29:10 PM
What anybody thinks of McLeish that picture doing the rounds on Facebook is an absolute disgrace. Whoever started it  should be ashamed of themselves.*

*Sure it was nobody off H&V"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 08, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 08, 2012, 10:29:10 PM
What anybody thinks of McLeish that picture doing the rounds on Facebook is an absolute disgrace. Whoever started it  should be ashamed of themselves.*

*Sure it was nobody off H&V"
what pictures that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 08, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
It's a picture of McLeish with a gun to his head and the slogan 'Just do it'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 08, 2012, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 08, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
It's a picture of McLeish with a gun to his head and the slogan 'Just do it'

juvenile where ever it has come from
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 09, 2012, 10:52:30 AM
Overall, not a great deal of credit for McLeish from me either. We've not won enough games, we don't create anywhere near enough chances during games and we're currently sitting 6 points above relegation. We should be doing a lot better and be in a more comfortable position.

Decent bloke, but not a decent enough manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 09, 2012, 11:54:00 AM
Some credit from me. There was at least a point to be won at Anfield, and we got one. I thought McLeish was going to bottle it due to the name of the opponent.

However, it was not a point gained because the manager deviced a masterful game plan which nullified one of the most free-flowing Liverpool sides in recent memory. It was, as pointed out by kt, desperate backs to the wall defending against a very poor side. Maybe we shouldn't expect more as our own team is ravaged by injuries. But the suspicion remains that the performance wouldn't have been much better if we had more senior players available. Most performances earlier this season backs that view up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
See if Liverpool are very poor side what does that make the rest? Presumbly they've got to 8th winning no games at all..... Yes it was backs against the wall and we got lucky at times but again considering the team we put out it was deserved luck. I dread to think what the gap was between the two sides in experience and how much they cost.
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Post by: Monty on April 09, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:11:10 PM
See if Liverpool are very poor side what does that make the rest? Presumbly they've got to 8th winning no games at all..... Yes it was backs against the wall and we got lucky at times but again considering the team we put out it was deserved luck. I dread to think what the gap was between the two sides in experience and how much they cost.

1) They may be 8th, but they're closer to relegation than Champions' League. It's another tightly bunched-up league at the top this year. They also happen to be on the gashest run ever.

2) It was backs against the wall for the vast majority of the game and we got lucky. It's the same approach which has brought us defeats and draws against lesser sides than Liverpool (the parallels with Blackburn away are particularly striking), so the fact that we didn't lose on this isolated occasion doesn't speak volumes for the tactic. Besides, Liverpool, with their famous inability to finish, might be the only top 8 side this approach has a good chance of working against.

3) It doesn't matter how much the two teams cost. We can't control their mistakes (and by the way, boy have they made some gash-ups in the transfer market!). Dalglish's incompetence doesn't lessen McLeish's. That their team cost more than ours isn't particularly relevent, as they're still not very good. Also on experience: if the spirit and qualities shown in the last two games have taught us anything, it's that experience, where this bunch of youngsters is concerned, is overvalued - they're outperforming the seniors with the ease of showing some effort (and by the way, Liverpool had Shelvey, Henderson and Flanagan starting, along with Doni's English debut, so their experience advantage wasn't as great as it could have been).

So in conclusion, while I'm delighted with the point and with the fighting spirit shown (not just from the kids but, finally, from Collins), we mustn't forget the contexts: that Liverpool really aren't that great, they still battered us for long stretches of the game while we employed an approach which has seen us lose these sorts of games before (or draw to, on paper, poorer teams than ourselves), and that this approach is not universally applicable just because we got lucky against the most profligate side in the league.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
My own opinion is that Villa fans tend to ease up with moaning when the Manager plays the kids. Whether they are good enough or not, we do not bully them with chanting etc. I wonder if McLeish is astute enough to know this?  Just an opinion of course, as he has had no choice but to play them at the moment, due to injuries.  My one worry though is that McLeish isn't a good enough Manager to develop those young players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 09, 2012, 12:28:36 PM
It's a poor side compared to past Liverpool teams i suppose. As for what they've spent, they have spent a fortune under Dalglish but that's been their own doing. They paid way over the odds for Henderson, Downing and Carroll. Those three came to £75m and have contributed mainly zilch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest
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Post by: Fergal on April 09, 2012, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest
He has no credit left with me.  I really think he is out of his depth and will ruin us if he stays.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2012, 12:50:44 PM
McLeish usually loses his brownie points quicker than I do with the missus. We'll stuff it up today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: picicata on April 09, 2012, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest

I agree. There are so many other reasons to doubt McLeish's ability that to be down on a hard fought point, away from home with a depleted squad, seems some what spurious to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: beness on April 09, 2012, 12:54:54 PM
I blame Sid for the kids doing well. How dare he be a Villain through and through and get the lads playing good stuff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 09, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest

I think we can all agree that it was a well earned (if at times fortunate) point on Saturday and credit where credit is due to him for getting a battling performance out the players.

There have been games though where we've had a decent team out and created next to nothing and that's been McLeish's downfall and why we are where we are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 09, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 09, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
My own opinion is that Villa fans tend to ease up with moaning when the Manager plays the kids. Whether they are good enough or not, we do not bully them with chanting etc. I wonder if McLeish is astute enough to know this?  Just an opinion of course, as he has had no choice but to play them at the moment, due to injuries.  My one worry though is that McLeish isn't a good enough Manager to develop those young players.

Absolutely. Fans will hold fire if young players are on the field as firstly, they will run their socks off, and secondly it hints at potential for the future (Although as I have alluded to before, a lot of the younger players Houllier blooded last season have now left the club).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 09, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest

I think we can all agree that it was a well earned (if at times fortunate) point on Saturday and credit where credit is due to him for getting a battling performance out the players.

There have been games though where we've had a decent team out and created next to nothing and that's been McLeish's downfall and why we are where we are.


yep. Its pretty hard to defend him in games this season where we've had no shots on target
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Great quote:

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Can I be the first to say that if Villa win today, it changes nothing and McLeish out. If we draw, it's the same old McLeish and McLeish out. And if we lose, it's the worst defeat ever in the history of football (even before Rupert Murdoch invented football in 1992) and as a consequence, McLeish out. Can I also be the first to say that I support Villa whoever the manager/owner is and want them to succeed, unlike a number of my fellow "supporters".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 09, 2012, 02:12:30 PM
I lost it for McLeish February 12th .    Up to then , I was willing to give him the benefit even thou he was making mistake after mistake , but I wanted him gone on that day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 09, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
I'll never forget George Orwell's quote concerning McLeish.

'If you want a picture of McLeish's style of football, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 09, 2012, 02:12:30 PM
I lost it for McLeish February 12th .    Up to then , I was willing to give him the benefit even thou he was making mistake after mistake , but I wanted him gone on that day.

21st Nov at the spurs match for me.  I went with my house mate whose a Spuds fan, he has two season tickets so I was watching from the home end, I predicted AMc to set up defensively, he didn't disappoint.  Having your friends feel pity for you is not nice....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 09, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest

The thing is, there have been plenty of games this season when we were at full strength and did largely defend for 90 mins.

The point on Saturday was an unexpected bonus but we rode our luck massively. That can not be a viable tactic on an ongoing basis because more often than not, it won't work.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: woody4866 on April 09, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: beness on April 09, 2012, 12:54:54 PM
I blame Sid for the kids doing well. How dare he be a Villain through and through and get the lads playing good stuff.
This

Sid should get the kids playing shite if we want AM out >:(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 09, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 09, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Great quote:

Quote
Can I be the first to say that if Villa win today, it changes nothing and McLeish out. If we draw, it's the same old McLeish and McLeish out. And if we lose, it's the worst defeat ever in the history of football (even before Rupert Murdoch invented football in 1992) and as a consequence, McLeish out. Can I also be the first to say that I support Villa whoever the manager/owner is and want them to succeed, unlike a number of my fellow "supporters".

It really isn't, though.

I've no idea who said it, but for starters, it falls into the pontificating trap of referring to "supporters" (note inverted commas), which always has a great big dollop of "betterer fan than yow"about it.

It's really not a big surprise that people get pissed off by shit results and poor performances. No, it's not the worst thing in the world, there are plenty of other things way worse than that - from starving children, unemployment, diseases downwards - but it is something which all of us care a lot about, otherwise we wouldn't waste hundreds of hours posting on here about it.

Isn't complaining about people coming on here moaning that we've lost and making a big deal out of it a bit like walking into a funeral do and wondering why people have got such long faces and look so down in the dumps? It's hardly the greatest of surprises, I would have thought.

To suggest there are a number of us who don't want the club to succeed is really the ultimate in "better fan than yow" - what, just because we're not happy with mooking around in 15th place, playing a brand of football than generally makes Stoke look like Barcelona?

Utter nonsense, I'm afraid. Maybe the reason so many people sound like they're not expecting anything from this manager is because he's not given us anything to make us believe he can deliver.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 09, 2012, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 09, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 09, 2012, 01:28:44 PM
Great quote:

Quote
Can I be the first to say that if Villa win today, it changes nothing and McLeish out. If we draw, it's the same old McLeish and McLeish out. And if we lose, it's the worst defeat ever in the history of football (even before Rupert Murdoch invented football in 1992) and as a consequence, McLeish out. Can I also be the first to say that I support Villa whoever the manager/owner is and want them to succeed, unlike a number of my fellow "supporters".

It really isn't, though.

I've no idea who said it, but for starters, it falls into the pontificating trap of referring to "supporters" (note inverted commas), which always has a great big dollop of "betterer fan than yow"about it.

It's really not a big surprise that people get pissed off by shit results and poor performances. No, it's not the worst thing in the world, there are plenty of other things way worse than that - from starving children, unemployment, diseases downwards - but it is something which all of us care a lot about, otherwise we wouldn't waste hundreds of hours posting on here about it.

To suggest there are a number of us who don't want the club to succeed is really the ultimate in "better fan than yow" - what, just because we're not happy with mooking around in 15th place, playing a brand of football than generally makes Stoke look like Barcelona?

Utter nonsense, I'm afraid. Maybe the reason so many people sound like they're not expecting anything from this manager is because he's not given us anything to make us believe he can deliver.

Totally agree, I don't like that quote because it insinuates that if you criticise the manager you don't want the club to succeed which makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2012, 02:48:04 PM
The thing is, it's not that he's overly defensive or negative that really gets to me.  It's that we play negative football in such an old-fashioned way.

Watch the sides that are considered negative in spain or italy and you'll see they press much higher up the pitch and maintain a gap between midfield and defence.  It means they do have players in position to launch a counter attack and pose some attacking threat.  We see the midfield draw deeper and deeper meaning our only counter attack is to punt it long and hope that Gabby (or Bent when he was fit) gets there first and manages to get away from his man, or hold it up until someone joins him.

The opposition just sit 1 defender in front of our striker and 1 behind and, if the ball comes their way they crowd him out making it easy for them to get the ball back and move it through midfield unopposed until they get back to our defensive third.  Against most premier league sides if you sit with 8-9 players defending your box you can be sure they're going to create at least 3-4 decent chances, which is normally enough to score at least once.

The tactic just isn't an effective way to play in this league but McLeish has come out after a couple of performances and stated that the tactics have worked excellently which just further reinforces the idea that, even if he buys some great players his fall-back tactic will always be the stuff we've seen so often this season and, as we found under MoN any tactic like this will see you hit a glass ceiling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 09, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
I don't think McLeish is especially negative. I don't think he's anything. He doesn't seem to have a tactical plan at all. Every game I watch, I get the firm impression that the players just go out onto the pitch and make it up as they go along.

Under MON and Houllier, you could see the players knew what their roles were and that they were trying to follow some sort of game plan, even though it didn't always work.

With McLeish, I just can't fathom what he's trying to do. And I don't think the players can, either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 09, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 09, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
I don't think McLeish is especially negative. I don't think he's anything. He doesn't seem to have a tactical plan at all. Every game I watch, I get the firm impression that the players just go out onto the pitch and make it up as they go along.

Under MON and Houllier, you could see the players knew what their roles were and that they were trying to follow some sort of game plan, even though it didn't always work.

With McLeish, I just can't fathom what he's trying to do. And I don't think the players can, either.

Nail on bonce. People without plans (we all do, I think), in high-pressure situations, will always default to conservative and protectionist practices. Eck may say, during a game, 'push up! keep possession!', but they need to put in the work in an intelligent and consistent way in training for that to happen. I don't get the impression he really thinks about how, just what, and that will always be his downfall as a manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: achilles on April 09, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
Quite honestly I don't care about his future as long as it doesn't involve AV!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 09, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
The point for anybody saying in spite of the current result McLeish is out the door and this reference to how that reflects on how you see your support for Villa in general has nothing to do with it.

I said yesterday or whenever despite the Liverpool result and whatever happens v Stoke McLeish must still go, i base that on the season as a whole and its been dire. simple as and I can't for a second see how its going to get any easier or better next season, its way to late and one swallow doesn't make a summer, said the bishop to the actress.

The only thing that's is immediately important is that we stay up, if Mcleish can do that, then that's worth the 2ML we have paid him this far, and I would settle for that result, then we move onward and upwards for next season, new manager and new regime and get excited for the next season with lots of hope, unless somebody on here can actually explain to me how you can get hopeful and excited about next season with AM at the helm, because that really is a special skill.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 09, 2012, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

Iain Dowie is one of very few managers with a worse PL record than McGinge!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 09, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 09, 2012, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 09, 2012, 12:33:17 PM
well i still think he's in credit on that game. If we'd gone to Liverpool with the likes of Petrov, Bent, N'Zog, Carlos, Dunne etc.. and defended for 90 minutes then fair enough, it would have shown no ambition, but given who we have to select from currently i think he made a decent show of it. Liverpool may be poor but they'll still finish near enough best of the rest

The thing is, there have been plenty of games this season when we were at full strength and did largely defend for 90 mins.

The point on Saturday was an unexpected bonus but we rode our luck massively. That can not be a viable tactic on an ongoing basis because more often than not, it won't work.
This is what drives me mad. He keeps parking the bus especially in second halfs. It has rarely worked but he keeps on doing it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 09, 2012, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on April 09, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
I don't think McLeish is especially negative. I don't think he's anything. He doesn't seem to have a tactical plan at all. Every game I watch, I get the firm impression that the players just go out onto the pitch and make it up as they go along.

Under MON and Houllier, you could see the players knew what their roles were and that they were trying to follow some sort of game plan, even though it didn't always work.

With McLeish, I just can't fathom what he's trying to do. And I don't think the players can, either.

I've argued for quite a while that Mcleish is not negative - for him to be negative implies that he has some sort of plan and I've seen little to suggest that he does.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

I think the facial features that fate dealt Dowie are unfairly harsh, but hey thats life.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Boz on April 09, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on April 09, 2012, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

Iain Dowie is one of very few managers with a worse PL record than McGinge!

Which is why he's out of work, as AM should be  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 09, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

I think the facial features that fate dealt Dowie are unfairly harsh, but hey thats life.


 ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on April 09, 2012, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 09, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

I think the facial features that fate dealt Dowie are unfairly harsh, but hey thats life.


 ;D

We have won one match in twelve, I don't think any criticism is harsh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 09, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
Alex McLeish is not the future of Aston Villa. My God. Those young players need encouragement and to be set up to understand that Stoke are footballing minnows that we should be attacking. Instead we treated them like they were Barcelona and sat back.

That level of negativity could destroy those players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 09, 2012, 07:53:22 PM
You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 09, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
He must go
Please just go just piss off!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 09, 2012, 08:02:21 PM
I'm still sure that he is going nowhere and that no amount of heartfelt posts on the internet is going to change that. We're wasting energy and bandwidth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 09, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
Surely the attendance alone is enough to make Randy scratch his chin?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 09, 2012, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 09, 2012, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 09, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
According to Iain Dowie, Mcleish's criticism has been unfairly harsh. Yeah right.

I think the facial features that fate dealt Dowie are unfairly harsh, but hey thats life.


 ;D

Yeah but remember we only dislike him because if where he came from. It's got feck all to do with the shite, negative football we endure on a weekly basis.

Dowie should be on the undateables on channel 4.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
The man is so bad I am beginning to think he is deliberately so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 09, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
The man is so bad I am beginning to think he is deliberately so.

i would rather have the man on the street commentating on games than some of the ex pros they wheel in
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 09, 2012, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 09, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
Alex McLeish is not the future of Aston Villa. My God. Those young players need encouragement and to be set up to understand that Stoke are footballing minnows that we should be attacking. Instead we treated them like they were Barcelona and sat back.

That level of negativity could destroy those players.

IV, the thing is we have 1 or 2 younger players coming through that have real potential to play at the very highest, these players even if we don't keep them will generate real income for the club, example I think Barry Bannan with the right manager behind him and being influenced and groomed by quality players could develop into a top player, a type of Scholes, Wiemann looks like he's up for it although he needs a few games yet before we can tell, same with Gardner, point is under our present manager these players and there careers are going nowhere.

I think Gabby Agbonlahor just 2 seasons ago looked set for the top he came under the influence of 1 manager who wasn't fit for the job and didn't get Gabby and this manager who is utterly clueless, as a result we are now seeing Gabby looking more and more ordinary every game, to me he's losing that magic he once had that put the fear of god into most defenders, all these younger players will go the same way under McLeish because they won't see how football should be played, not at Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 09, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
The man is so bad I am beginning to think he is deliberately so.

i would rather have the man on the street commentating on games than some of the ex pros they wheel in

I meant AM.   Surely nobody can be as shit as him without an agenda.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 09, 2012, 08:18:39 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 09, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 09, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
The man is so bad I am beginning to think he is deliberately so.

i would rather have the man on the street commentating on games than some of the ex pros they wheel in

I meant AM.   Surely nobody can be as shit as him without an agenda.


oh sorry maybe he could do the sky reports woth an ask ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 09, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
You know all these promising academy kids, you know, the ones that are holding us together at the moment? They've played some superb football, moving through the U18 team, into the reserves and will now get uncoached by this clown in charge now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on April 09, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
What is really depressing is that a non villa supporter would say that this was a reasonable result. Stoke are a better team than us but we were at home so a draw is about the expected result. And what is depressing is that, as the table doesn't lie, stoke are a better team than us, as are Norwich, Swansea, West Brom, etc
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 09, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 09, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
Surely the attendance alone is enough to make Randy scratch his chin?
I think they are now including stewards, catering staff, ball boys/girls, St Johns, etc in the attendance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 09, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Everything about the club has become incredibly painful and distressing experience for me over this season. I never felt anywhere near as bad  as I do now when Dolly was in charge. Sometimes I just want to give up because I feel it's detrimental to my health. Thanks Alex for destroying the club I love .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 09, 2012, 08:54:46 PM
Anyone got an idea why most of the bars where closed in holte upper.

If there was ever a season that we all need beer fast at half time then this is it. Especialy against Stoke.

Only 30k at game today. It's going to be below 25k at Bolton at home the way it's going.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 09, 2012, 08:59:45 PM
Get rid of him. Not a clue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 09, 2012, 09:12:08 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 09, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
Everything about the club has become incredibly painful and distressing experience for me over this season. I never felt anywhere near as bad  as I do now when Dolly was in charge. Sometimes I just want to give up because I feel it's detrimental to my health. Thanks Alex for destroying the club I love .
just how I feel
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?

Yep...bloody awful.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?

Yep...bloody awful.

Apologies, but that was a genuine question. What was his reaction? I didn't see it but have seen a few posts/heard talk about it.

Did he celebrate or something?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 09, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
Looks like moving up the table isn't going to happen. 7 league wins all season is ridiculous. And then theres the cups... remember them?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 09, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?

Yep...bloody awful.

Apologies, but that was a genuine question. What was his reaction? I didn't see it but have seen a few posts/heard talk about it.

Did he celebrate or something?

He was clenching his fists and then turned to somebody he knew high up in the Trinity Road Stand as though he had dedicated the wonderful draw to them. Cringeworthy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
Clenched fist salute towards the Trinity Road Stand I believe as well as clapping as he left the pitch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?

Yep...bloody awful.

Ha, sorry JJ, he punched the air to someone within the trinity (didn't see that myself, quoting others) and was clapping (saw that bit on the stream I was watching)....you'd think we'd just won the match...

Apologies, but that was a genuine question. What was his reaction? I didn't see it but have seen a few posts/heard talk about it.

Did he celebrate or something?

Clenched fist not air punch...best not to twist the truth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 09, 2012, 09:38:09 PM
I just don't see how it will ever work..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 09, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 09, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
Clenched fist salute towards the Trinity Road Stand I believe as well as clapping as he left the pitch.
2 clenched fists wasn't it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 09, 2012, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 09, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Anyone notice how McLeish reacted at the end of the game?

Yep...bloody awful.

Apologies, but that was a genuine question. What was his reaction? I didn't see it but have seen a few posts/heard talk about it.

Did he celebrate or something?

He was clenching his fists and then turned to somebody he knew high up in the Trinity Road Stand as though he had dedicated the wonderful draw to them. Cringeworthy.

http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2728995,00.html

McLeish admitted he was reasonably satisfied with the two points gained over the Easter period.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 09:41:41 PM
Great. I'd have preferred to have lost at Klanfield then won tonight. Three points are better than two.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 09:42:19 PM
Obviously, I'd have liked to have won both.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 09, 2012, 09:44:09 PM
I dont mind being shit or being lower down the table, I mind the fact it's depressing. At least Wigan do being shit whilst being entertaining and provide some excitement FFS. I hate the fucker, I really do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 09, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
"I couldn't fault any man at all for the effort they gave. Sometimes the quality can be the only thing that's missing, but at least the effort was top drawer."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7662431/?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 09, 2012, 09:47:56 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 09, 2012, 09:38:09 PM
I just don't see how it will ever work..
It never will and the sooner the owner accepts it the better.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 09, 2012, 09:52:17 PM
It is still 1 home win in near on 6 months though, which is not just bad, it is sackable with no room for recourse. I can't for the life of me ever seeing the man being accepted. It is flogging a dead horse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 09, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
At one stage today, 7 of our 11 were home grown. This is the most positive thing going on in the club right now.
Do we really want McLeish in charge of their future development as these kids try to establish themselves ? Who would be the best candidiate to bring the very best out of this crop of players we have ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 09, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
How many more people are we going to lose next season through having to watch this tripe? Like it or not, football is entertainment, and people and going to throw £40.00 away every couple off weeks just to watch this garbage. I expect next years average gate to be around 25,000 next season if this carries on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 09, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
Once again the Villa faithfull have been amazingly lenient towards him, yet the media bang on as if he's crucified every home game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Looks like we're in a mini-league of one.  Not good enough for a mid-table battle with the likes of Norwich and Fulham, not quite shit enough for relegation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 09, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
We're unique.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AV82EC on April 09, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 09, 2012, 11:02:44 PM
Looks like we're in a mini-league of one.  Not good enough for a mid-table battle with the likes of Norwich and Fulham, not quite shit enough for relegation.

Stolen for Facebook.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 09, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 09, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
We're unique.

'just like everybody else' ;-)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lizz on April 09, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 09, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 09, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
We're unique.

'just like everybody else' ;-)

I'm not a fan of the late, much missed Princess Margaret. She did however once utter words, in a critical manner, to the effect that something/someone is or is not unique. There are no degrees of uniqueness.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2012, 11:43:06 PM
Legion's unique.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 09, 2012, 11:47:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 09, 2012, 11:43:06 PM
Legion's unique.

Legions a Eunach?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on April 09, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
The lowest crowd of the season for a league game, probably the lowest since Randy has been chairman, must make him understand that having McLeish as manager is bad for business.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2012, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: cdward on April 09, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
The lowest crowd of the season for a league game, probably the lowest since Randy has been chairman, must make him understand that having McLeish as manager is bad for business.

Yes, I don't recall a crowd as low as this since Lerner took over.  We had a few sub 30K crowds in the last days of Ellis/O'Leary, but you could hear how empty the ground was today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2012, 12:13:11 AM
There has been an ominous silence from the owner as regards the future of the club and the manager that's going to be in charge of that future. To me that suggests they believe everything is ticking along just well enough to justify inaction. So on behalf of us all, let me clarify the situation

Dear Villa,

We all make mistakes. Sometimes, nobody notices. Other times, it turns out to be a huge balls-up. It's how you learn from those mistakes that makes you stronger. It's painfully obvious to all that hiring our current manager was a severe error. In all aspects, it has been a backward step. We are two seasons into a collective nervous breakdown and it will go into a third unless you take a good look at what's currently wrong. There will be no hard feelings, no animosity to our current boss if he's quietly paid off and told to find another job. This is the way of the world: if you are not up to scratch, somebody who is deserves a chance. But start planning now, for all our sakes.  Sub thirty thousand crowds, constant barracking from the stands, protests and a huge drop in revenue...or positive action.

Your choice, not ours...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 10, 2012, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: cdward on April 09, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
The lowest crowd of the season for a league game, probably the lowest since Randy has been chairman, must make him understand that having McLeish as manager is bad for business.

If things were buzzing at VP then I would have expected a gate of 38,000 today. At the start of the match we all thought that there were about 28,000 in the ground and were surprised at 30,100. Today's game was category A, which is the most expensive so I reckon that at an average of £25 per ticket, the 10,000 absentees have cost the club £250,000. Multiply that by 19 home games in a season and the club is losing £4-5 million in gate revenue from fans who are no longer willing to waste their money watching Mcleish's shambles.

Add that to the loss of income from finishing lower in the table and Mcleish looks like a very expensive option. Plus, I can see Season Ticket sales being dire if he's still around.

If Faulkner and Lerner are unable to identify what damage Mcleish is doing in terms of football then that's bad enough, but if they allow the club to continue to bleed income due to this man then I just don't know what it will take for them to see sense. My one hope is that they will realise that Mcleish is a financial disaster for the club and decide to cut their losses.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 10, 2012, 12:25:19 AM
That is a major factor and was mentioned by some at the start of the Austerity measures, and especially after the summer sales and managerial appointment. We were paying too much for players for the crowds of approx 38K we were getting. We have sold some of the higher earners and will be getting rid of others but by next season we could be having crowds 10k down. Will we have to make further cuts or will the board splash out to get fans back again?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2012, 12:30:02 AM
I get the feeling that if only he could hurry up and get us safe, there would be no holding back from the poor sods who have kept their true feelings hidden so far this season out of loyalty and wanting to support the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 10, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
I looked at taking the lad (he's 6) today - cheapest tickets in the ground was £24 for me, £16 for him. - £40 to watch two blokes spend the majority of their time wiping the ball on the inside of their shirt combined with grappling at every opportunity and our lot having no idea what to do about it - No thanks

It's been shit all season, i'm not forking out that kind of money to watch that shit that's served up every week and won't consider going until McTwat has gone. If he stays, he will destroy all of those kids coming through.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2012, 12:32:40 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 10, 2012, 12:30:02 AM
I get the feeling that if only he could hurry up and get us safe, there would be no holding back from the poor sods who have kept their true feelings hidden so far this season out of loyalty and wanting to support the club.


I noticed even the booing at full time was half hearted. The level of apathy surrounding this man is a wonder.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 10, 2012, 12:37:48 AM
The Financial imact of keeping Mcliesh i believe will be enough to see him gone, even Rndy and Faulkner can do maths.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
And the ground looks so much worse with those bright blue seats. It looked cavernous in there. Like I said somewhere else, it will cost the club a lot more to keep him than fire him and Grant. Not just in turnstile receipts but also with everything that stems from following the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Left Side on April 10, 2012, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: jembob on April 10, 2012, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: cdward on April 09, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
The lowest crowd of the season for a league game, probably the lowest since Randy has been chairman, must make him understand that having McLeish as manager is bad for business.

If things were buzzing at VP then I would have expected a gate of 38,000 today. At the start of the match we all thought that there were about 28,000 in the ground and were surprised at 30,100. Today's game was category A, which is the most expensive so I reckon that at an average of £25 per ticket, the 10,000 absentees have cost the club £250,000. Multiply that by 19 home games in a season and the club is losing £4-5 million in gate revenue from fans who are no longer willing to waste their money watching Mcleish's shambles.

Add that to the loss of income from finishing lower in the table and Mcleish looks like a very expensive option. Plus, I can see Season Ticket sales being dire if he's still around.

If Faulkner and Lerner are unable to identify what damage Mcleish is doing in terms of football then that's bad enough, but if they allow the club to continue to bleed income due to this man then I just don't know what it will take for them to see sense. My one hope is that they will realise that Mcleish is a financial disaster for the club and decide to cut their losses.

Well said Jembob, we all can see it but the successful millionaire businessmen cannot!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 10, 2012, 12:57:13 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 10, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
And the ground looks so much worse with those bright blue seats. It looked cavernous in there. Like I said somewhere else, it will cost the club a lot more to keep him than fire him and Grant. Not just in turnstile receipts but also with everything that stems from following the club.
Hi TV It looked about 26000 , including about 500 sturkies. When it came up 30,100 there were a few murmurs of disbelief around me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2012, 01:53:09 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 10, 2012, 12:57:13 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 10, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
And the ground looks so much worse with those bright blue seats. It looked cavernous in there. Like I said somewhere else, it will cost the club a lot more to keep him than fire him and Grant. Not just in turnstile receipts but also with everything that stems from following the club.
Hi TV It looked about 26000 , including about 500 sturkies. When it came up 30,100 there were a few murmurs of disbelief around me.

Hope all is well Rich. Is Doug doing the books again at the club fudging the attendance numbers? Under 30000 in the ground makes much more sense. I assume the official number includes season ticket holders whether they showed up or not. Whichever way you cut it, it's very alarming and revealing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 10, 2012, 02:51:30 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 10, 2012, 12:57:13 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 10, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
And the ground looks so much worse with those bright blue seats. It looked cavernous in there. Like I said somewhere else, it will cost the club a lot more to keep him than fire him and Grant. Not just in turnstile receipts but also with everything that stems from following the club.
Hi TV It looked about 26000 , including about 500 sturkies. When it came up 30,100 there were a few murmurs of disbelief around me.
That looks like 4000 S/T holders couldn't be arsed.If that doesn't wake Randy up christ knows what will.They will blame the weather.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 10, 2012, 08:20:01 AM
Sorry to piss on your parade, but I simply do not believe that even despite the huge amount of empty seats on display that Lerner will take note. Had we got three points yesterday, it would have been job done. The fact that we didn’t does not change things one iota. Barring a disaster we will crawl over the line and the ambition of the club to cost costs as quick as possible, whilst avoiding relegation will have been achieved.

I am of the opinion that rows of empty seats mean absolutely nothing to the club. McLeish is clearly acting like a man who knows he’s in charge next season. In fact the Dutch TV show that I was watching the match on, even commented that talks are now in place between Villa and Heerenveen over Dost and only relegation will derail them. He will be here next season and the huge swathes of empty seats that we witnessed yesterday will become even more commonplace, because our board in their pursuit of cost cutting have forgotten that paying customers drive growth.

I believe that unless things alter in the summer (which they won’t) an irreparable wedge will be driven between the fans and the owners, whereby the perception will be that the owner does not give a shi* about his paying customers.

 It’s so frustrating that only a few shorts years after Lerner’s takeover we are now in a situation where all the goodwill has ran dry and yet it could have so easily been avoided had he not made the **insert word of choice here** decision to employ McLeish.

Oh yeah and for the record, good job with that pep talk Randy.... As you could see yesterday, it clearly worked!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 10, 2012, 08:41:52 AM
Your thoughts on Dost Neil?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on April 10, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
Dost would be a good signing i feel but we need a huge squad overhaul with 7 or 8 in and out , newcsatle have done it but whether we can find the gems they have found is open to question.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 10, 2012, 08:55:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 10, 2012, 08:41:52 AM
Your thoughts on Dost Neil?

He’s come from nowhere and scored a load of goals in the Eredivise this season. He’s big and strong and looks a little like Peter Crouch, so the comparisons are easy to make. There’s been some interest from Bundesliga clubs, but we seem to be the first one to the table with anything concrete. My only BUT to this, is that he’s had a lot of good service from wide positions at Heerenveen to score the goals and he’s going to need that if he joins us too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ventnor villain on April 10, 2012, 11:08:39 AM
If i could talk to him, i would say ok Alex, no injuries, no suspensions, what would your best 11 be and how would you set them up to play? On the evidence of this season, the answers would be: don't know and don't know. That's the problem with him, there is no clear sightedness in his approach, which is why he should be shown the door at the end of the season. I was as critical of our style of play under MON as anyone, but at least you could see what he was trying to do. With McClueless it is difficult to see what the point of any of our play is, unless he really is a secret agent for the dark side and is trying to take us down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on April 10, 2012, 11:33:02 AM
Surely the wage bill cutting versus the drop in attendance revenue and reduced PL prize money is a short term solution. Randy is being badly advised if he thinks relying on the cheaper youth team players will turn us into a successful "franchise". The projected loss in revenue next season must surely be greater than the money saved in reduced wages.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 10, 2012, 01:48:01 PM
The future is bleak under AM ......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: cdward on April 10, 2012, 11:33:02 AM
Surely the wage bill cutting versus the drop in attendance revenue and reduced PL prize money is a short term solution. Randy is being badly advised if he thinks relying on the cheaper youth team players will turn us into a successful "franchise". The projected loss in revenue next season must surely be greater than the money saved in reduced wages.

Well, if we count prize money from this season into next years finances that's a £5m loss

Add 10000 lower crowds at ~£25 a seat - £250000 x 19 = £4.75m

I remember reading something which suggests the average fan spends £6 per game on matchday for non ticket stuff (so in the shop, programme, food and drink, etc) so another £60000 x 19 = £1.14m

Sales of merchandise outside matchday will be affected as well but those figues are difficult to even make a guess as so we'll add £1m as a guideline

5m + 4.75m + 1.14m + 1m = £11.89m

So a loss of roughly £12m as things stand - that's around £230,000 a week which would completely offset any savings we've made on the wages front.

If Lerner and Faulkner are doing proper budgeting they will know this already, if they choose to ignore this it's safe to say they don't care about the long term finincial situation at the club and are purely interested in reducing the outgoings as muc h as possible as quickly as possible.  If this is the case I can only think that is because there is far more to the Qatar rumours than many people think.

They will have accounted for reduced revenue as a result of the cost cutting but if they intend to stay long term they will know that the loss of revenue can't outstrip the reduction in expenses, which it is doing currently, and they will have to act to resolve the situation.

The issue around this is that they may think that throwing money at McLeish to spend on players is the answer, in which case we can expect a decent sized budget for him in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 10, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
Our average crowds haven't fallen by 10,000 this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
I was told this story over Easter by my brother-in-law is a senor partner corporate lawyer in Birmingham and was at a dinner very recently at which he was introduced to Villa's FD. He could not understand why gates were down and echoed the party line that McIdiot was doing an ok job in challenging circumstances. Says it all really. They are all oblivious to reality.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
I was told this story over Easter by my brother-in-law is a senor partner corporate lawyer in Birmingham and was at a dinner very recently at which he was introduced to Villa's FD. He could not understand why gates were down and echoed the party line that McIdiot was doing an ok job in challenging circumstances. Says it all really. They are all oblivious to reality.

Depressing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 10, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on April 10, 2012, 08:46:41 AM
Dost would be a good signing i feel but we need a huge squad overhaul with 7 or 8 in and out , newcsatle have done it but whether we can find the gems they have found is open to question.


I think we will ship out the 7 or 8, but I can't see that many coming in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
Interesting piece in the Guardian here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/10/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-stoke

Best of all, though, was this comment from a user, which made me laugh.

Quote
I think McLeish genuinely hates winning football matches. His idea of perfection would be 38 nil-nil draws over the course of the season.

I imagine when he held the carling cup trophy, actual physical evidence of winning several matches, his hands started to burn like a vampire holding a crucifix.

Super stuff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 10, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
he was introduced to Villa's FD. He could not understand why gates were down and echoed the party line that McIdiot was doing an ok job in challenging circumstances. Says it all really. They are all oblivious to reality.
Doesn't that just show you what a bunch of thick bastards they must be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2012, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
I was told this story over Easter by my brother-in-law is a senor partner corporate lawyer in Birmingham and was at a dinner very recently at which he was introduced to Villa's FD. He could not understand why gates were down and echoed the party line that McIdiot was doing an ok job in challenging circumstances. Says it all really. They are all oblivious to reality.

Depressing.

Isn't it just. It's not this season's shiteness that worries me most. It is the thought that those in power actually think there's nothing much wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 10, 2012, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2012, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 10, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
I was told this story over Easter by my brother-in-law is a senor partner corporate lawyer in Birmingham and was at a dinner very recently at which he was introduced to Villa's FD. He could not understand why gates were down and echoed the party line that McIdiot was doing an ok job in challenging circumstances. Says it all really. They are all oblivious to reality.

Depressing.

Isn't it just. It's not this season's shiteness that worries me most. It is the thought that those in power actually think there's nothing much wrong.

Doubtless they'll be saying

'Just chuck some more of those free tea and pie vouchers at them, that'll shut the unwashed ingrates up.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 10, 2012, 04:20:52 PM
I would think they know there is plenty wrong, a FD at a dinner is hardly likely to start slag the manager.
I don't know why people just repeat as fact that Randy is happy with the way things are going, I would bet hes anything but

He has not to my knowledge publicly backed AM, because he hasn't said much at all, I would imagine he is genuinely worried about what's going on and plans to do something about it.
If he is happy then he is a not the man I thought he was
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
http://www.football365.com/premier-league/7663560/McLeish-targets-Old-Trafford-upset
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
http://www.football365.com/premier-league/7663560/McLeish-targets-Old-Trafford-upset

I haven't even read the article yet, but had to laugh at the hyperlink.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 10, 2012, 04:25:11 PM
I have had visions all season of Randy following villa games online while he's doing something else then finding out at the end we've drawn or lost and shrugging his shoulders and saying 'hopefully we'll win the next one, what a pity' and quickly moving on to something else.

Something's been missing. We're just going through the motions and it's not all Alex's fault.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 10, 2012, 04:25:25 PM
I'm sure we'll be upset.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 PM
From Football365

McLeish targets Old Trafford upset
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish is ready to try to spoil any potential Manchester United title party of his mentor Sir Alex Ferguson on Sunday.

Last Updated: 10/04/12 at 15:31 Post Comment


 
McLeish: Ready to cause an upset

United are eight points clear at the top of the Premier League and could seal the championship against Villa if results go their way before the meeting at Old Trafford.

But McLeish, who played under Ferguson at Aberdeen, would relish such a challenge even though his young Villa side are currently lacking seven senior players through injuries and illness.

He said: "Can I spoil the United party? I have done it before with Motherwell when we played Rangers.

"They had the carnival ready to go. Motherwell won that day 2-0 with two goals from Owen Coyle."

McLeish knows it is unrealistic to expect any complacency from United, saying: "I know Sir Alex would never allow that to happen. We know we would face a rampant United side but you never know what can happen."

Villa moved seven points clear of the bottom three after Monday's 1-1 home draw with Stoke but McLeish will not relax or allow the crop of youngsters he is blooding to drop their standards.

He said: "I am not going to rest. I'm not going to go home and think, 'That's fine, there's daylight here'.

"We have to keep them on their toes and keep them at a good level.

"There were seven academy guys out there against Stoke. They gave everything and have a fantastic attitude.

"They are trying to make their names at Aston Villa and show they can play at the club for as long as possible.

"We are obviously trying to get a position where we can look towards next season.

"We have the games to do it and the points to do it. There's no shortage of effort.

"We've gained some ground and it followed on from a good point at Liverpool over the weekend but it is still a cup final every week."

While McLeish is taking great heart from the performance of the young players, he is also quick to praise the contribution of experienced centre-back James Collins.

The Wales international has stepped up to his best form in recent weeks during the absence of Richard Dunne and Carlos Cuellar through injury.

McLeish said: "Big James has been very strong and has read things well.

"His heading has been dominant and his consistency has been really excellent.

"He has stepped up with the young players in the team, helping them through it. He has thrived on the extra responsibility."

Villa are awaiting an update on the condition of midfielders Chris Herd (head) and Stephen Warnock (ankle) after they were both substituted against the Potters.

McLeish said: "Herdy went to hospital for a check-up after the game. He had a head knock. He wasn't unconscious so we're hopeful there's no concussion

"Warnock went over his ankle, landed badly and he will have a scan and X-rays."



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 10, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
http://www.football365.com/premier-league/7663560/McLeish-targets-Old-Trafford-upset

It will never happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
"I know Sir Alex would never allow that to happen. We know we would face a rampant United side but you never know what can happen."


That quote doesn't exactly suggest he has a tactical masterplan in mind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 10, 2012, 04:31:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 10, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
"I know Sir Alex would never allow that to happen. We know we would face a rampant United side but you never know what can happen."


That quote doesn't exactly suggest he has a tactical masterplan in mind.

Deary me. When he uses words like rampant it's never in relation to ourselves. He's quite a staid character isn't he.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
I think the reason SAF recommended McLeish was solely so he could cherry pick our youth once the ginger one had taken us down or when he called in the return favour.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2012, 04:47:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 10, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
"I know Sir Alex would never allow that to happen. We know we would face a rampant United side but you never know what can happen."

That quote doesn't exactly suggest he has a tactical masterplan in mind.

He's getting his excuses in early for the one fixture above all others he doesn't really need any excuses for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 10, 2012, 05:02:38 PM
The one thing I would agree with in those comments is about Collins, he has been excellent for me with the extra responsibility, and it should be noted how much better we have been in general without Dunne, who I don't think it is really his fault, but the others don't step up as much when he is there as they think he will sort it out for some reason. I would sooner shed Dunne and his 60k a week plus this summer than Collins if it were a straight choice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 PM

McLeish said: "Herdy went to hospital for a check-up after the game. He had a head knock. He wasn't unconscious so we're hopeful there's no concussion

"Warnock went over his ankle, landed badly and he will have a scan and X-rays."


Why not "Warnocky"?  No consistency some people.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 10, 2012, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 10, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 PM

McLeish said: "Herdy went to hospital for a check-up after the game. He had a head knock. He wasn't unconscious so we're hopeful there's no concussion

"Warnock went over his ankle, landed badly and he will have a scan and X-rays."


Why not "Warnocky"?  No consistency some people.

Or he could've just shortened it to Wanky?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 10, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 10, 2012, 05:02:38 PM
and it should be noted how much better we have been in general without Dunne
Dunne is doing the new series of Man v Food, so we may not see him for a while.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 10, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 10, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 PM

McLeish said: "Herdy went to hospital for a check-up after the game. He had a head knock. He wasn't unconscious so we're hopeful there's no concussion

"Warnock went over his ankle, landed badly and he will have a scan and X-rays."


Why not "Warnocky"?  No consistency some people.

wat a nob, MCLISH OUT!!1!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
He's referencing a game that must have happened almost fifteen years ago as proof of our ability to cause an upset.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 10, 2012, 07:55:29 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 10, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 10, 2012, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:25:33 PM

McLeish said: "Herdy went to hospital for a check-up after the game. He had a head knock. He wasn't unconscious so we're hopeful there's no concussion

"Warnock went over his ankle, landed badly and he will have a scan and X-rays."


Why not "Warnocky"?  No consistency some people.

wat a nob, MCLISH OUT!!1!
Is that in response to the two comments about the injuries?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Well you have to admire the mans mental out world dimension he likes to slip into, he makes one statement here that explains this whole season and AM ability to read a situation, he says.

Quote:  He said: "Can I spoil the United party? I have done it before with Motherwell when we played Rangers.

Do I really need to say anymore.


Just to add to this, I do think we'll get a draw.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 10, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Well you have to admire the mans mental out world dimension he likes to slip into, he makes one statement here that explains this whole season and AM ability to read a situation, he says.

Quote:  He said: "Can I spoil the United party? I have done it before with Motherwell when we played Rangers.

Do I really need to say anymore.


Just to add to this, I do think we'll get a draw.
Yes. Just explain that first sentence please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 10, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Well you have to admire the mans mental out world dimension he likes to slip into, he makes one statement here that explains this whole season and AM ability to read a situation, he says.

Quote:  He said: "Can I spoil the United party? I have done it before with Motherwell when we played Rangers.

Do I really need to say anymore.


Just to add to this, I do think we'll get a draw.
Yes. Just explain that first sentence please.

Indeed, its about as relevant as is AM's assessment of the upcoming game ( the mans deluded)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
Pre-Match thread on the way...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 10, 2012, 08:08:28 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 10, 2012, 08:02:08 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 10, 2012, 08:00:04 PM
Well you have to admire the mans mental out world dimension he likes to slip into, he makes one statement here that explains this whole season and AM ability to read a situation, he says.

Quote:  He said: "Can I spoil the United party? I have done it before with Motherwell when we played Rangers.

Do I really need to say anymore.


Just to add to this, I do think we'll get a draw.
Yes. Just explain that first sentence please.

Indeed, its about as relevant as is AM's assessment of the upcoming game ( the mans deluded)
Your first sentence.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 10, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 10, 2012, 04:23:15 PM
http://www.football365.com/premier-league/7663560/McLeish-targets-Old-Trafford-upset

When David Bowie used to write songs, he'd scribble words and phrases on a piece of paper, chop it up and then randomly arrange the content to form the lyric. Mcleish seems to take the same avante garde approach to media interviews - select a bunch of cliches and random thoughts, jumble them up and present them as a tactical master plan. I used to cringe at Mcleish's interviews but now I'm just bemused by his nonsense.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on April 10, 2012, 08:46:39 PM
David Bowie stole that technique from William Burroughs who wrote novels then edited them by shuffling the pages and re-numbering them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 10, 2012, 08:54:57 PM
I see talk of moving up the table has now become we'll take 15th
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 10, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
I'm no fan of McLeish but he's hardly likely to say 'I'm expecting a right fucking banjoing by Utd', I'm expecting it but I don't get paid 2m a year by the Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 10, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
I'm no fan of McLeish but he's hardly likely to say 'I'm expecting a right fucking banjoing by Utd', I'm expecting it but I don't get paid 2m a year by the Villa.

It seems to me that he pretty much did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on April 10, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 10, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 10, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
I'm no fan of McLeish but he's hardly likely to say 'I'm expecting a right fucking banjoing by Utd', I'm expecting it but I don't get paid 2m a year by the Villa.

It seems to me that he pretty much did.

He absolutely did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 10, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 10, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 10, 2012, 05:02:38 PM
and it should be noted how much better we have been in general without Dunne
Dunne is doing the new series of Man v Food, so we may not see him for a while.

I don't fancy the food's chances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2012, 10:04:51 PM
Describing the opposition as "rampant" before we've even played them seems a little bit defeatist, even by McLose's low standards.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 10, 2012, 10:06:52 PM
Remember, these Ferguson stooges are always six guaranteed points for United each season. See also; Bruce, Steven.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 10, 2012, 10:07:58 PM
I'm not going to expend too many keystrokes supporting him but just like his team, he can't win.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: nodge on April 10, 2012, 11:06:36 PM
Most people, experts or not, are describing them as not one of the best Manchester United teams to go on and win the title.  Haven't heard them being described as rampant much.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simon Ward on April 11, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/

A well reasoned and considered letter.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on April 11, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/)

A well reasoned and considered letter.

Much as I want McLeish gone, it isn't really 'considered' by any stretch of the imagination is it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 01:15:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 11, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
Quote from: Simon Ward on April 11, 2012, 12:47:31 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/11/aston-villa-reader-s-letter-calls-for-alex-mcleish-to-resign-97319-30737517/)

A well reasoned and considered letter.

Much as I want McLeish gone, it isn't really 'considered' by any stretch of the imagination is it?

Indeed.

I'd also suggest that, if anything, it is more likely to make McFuck dig his heels in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 11, 2012, 01:36:02 PM
It's the same supposedly private letter he sent to McLeish then splashed over the internet. It doesn't do his cause much good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 11, 2012, 01:43:09 PM
Is it, however, a sign the Mail are going to turn on him now, after the Kendrick negative blog or tweet the other day, now publishing this?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 11, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
Aside from all the other guff in the letter, it’s this line in particular that winds me up ‘Aston Villa FC are in major decline and you are at the root of the problem’ because it singularly fails to take into account all the other contributing factors that have led us to where we are. The way it reads, you’d honestly believe that we were some sort of model of footballing excellence before McLeish turned up and conjured up ‘the worst season ever.’

I’m not excusing the man and as I’ve said many times, we (club and fans) have to hold a post mortem once the season is over (and hopefully it will lead to him departing for the good of the club). However, to sidle all blame at his door is to detract from all the other factors that led us to where we are. Its lazy, misguided and helps to foster the press belief that the antagonism towards him is driven by his former employer and not his record.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2012, 01:47:54 PM
More discussion about McLeish here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/10/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-stoke?commentpage=1#end-of-comments
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Gareth on April 11, 2012, 02:03:14 PM
Did I hear that some of the press are saying Martinez wil leave Wigan whether or not they stay upthis season??

Would you swap him for AM?? even after last summer.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2012, 02:31:44 PM
I wouldn't be overly keen on Martinez, but I'd still take him over Mcleish. He does attempt to get his teams to attack and frankly our defence couldn't be much worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: alteavilla on April 11, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
martinez  as manager at least they keep the ball on the ground and playing on that shitheap wigan rfc it must be a
tom cruise
anyway R L get him in
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 11, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.

According to who, where, link, quotes?

Sorry, just got a bit excited.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 11, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.
He's almost as poor as McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2012, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 11, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.
He's almost as poor as McLeish.


They at least try and play, i'd take him over Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 11, 2012, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 11, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.
He's almost as poor as McLeish.


I really, really disagree. The fact that Wigan are anywhere near staying in the league is a bit of a miracle. The football they play is still often very good (and their best chance of success, hence the minor miracle mentioned above). He's a modern manager who laid the groundwork at Swansea, has time on his side and improves young players. He'll get a big job at some point in the future and I do wish it had been us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 11, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 11, 2012, 03:34:16 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.
He's almost as poor as McLeish.


But not quite.

Yet more stuff from Chris Hearn who seems to be constantly on Twitter face and writing these letters. Empty vessels and all that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 11, 2012, 03:39:25 PM
I can see it now.

Randy pulls the trigger at the end of the season and then we get Martinez after Wigan go down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 11, 2012, 03:52:53 PM
As a matter of interest, does anyone have any numbers for Wigan players bought in under Martinez going on to bigger and better things compared to our manager's record at dablues?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
I think the reason SAF recommended McLeish was solely so he could cherry pick our youth once the ginger one had taken us down or when he called in the return favour.

Funny you mention that.  Look at the following quote from another of his ex-players (potato-head).  Why on earth would Wigan or any Prem Team want to strengthen Man U?!  You have to wonder exactly how powerful Ferguson is.

Manchester United winger Antonio Valencia returns to Wigan Athletic tonight, and former manager Steve Bruce reveals the major role he played in sending the Ecuadorian to the league leaders. "real madrid wanted him and so did bayern munich, but wigan chairman dave whelan and i wanted him to go to old trafford," the ex-united centre-back told the manchester evening news. "that was always going to happen if we had our way!"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: fredm on April 11, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
I think the reason SAF recommended McLeish was solely so he could cherry pick our youth once the ginger one had taken us down or when he called in the return favour.

Funny you mention that.  Look at the following quote from another of his ex-players (potato-head).  Why on earth would Wigan or any Prem Team want to strengthen Man U?!  You have to wonder exactly how powerful Ferguson is.

Manchester United winger Antonio Valencia returns to Wigan Athletic tonight, and former manager Steve Bruce reveals the major role he played in sending the Ecuadorian to the league leaders. "real madrid wanted him and so did bayern munich, but wigan chairman dave whelan and i wanted him to go to old trafford," the ex-united centre-back told the manchester evening news. "that was always going to happen if we had our way!"

They cow tow to him so that they hope he will be gracious enough to lend them some of his young players to bolster their team while Man U pay most of the wage.  So what it ends up as is that Man U have their young kids playing premier league football for a lower table club while preparing them for their return to Old Trafford and a place in the first team squad.  In effect the lower table club is a feeder club for Man U.

There should be no loaning players to other premier league clubs, it debases the competition.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on April 11, 2012, 04:28:30 PM
Martinez? I think I'd almost rather stick with McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2012, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 11, 2012, 02:03:14 PM
Did I hear that some of the press are saying Martinez wil leave Wigan whether or not they stay upthis season??

I imagine that Whelan taking to the airwaves to slag off Martinez after the Swansea defeat put a bit of a dent in their "special relationship".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 11, 2012, 04:44:28 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on April 10, 2012, 04:43:58 PM
I think the reason SAF recommended McLeish was solely so he could cherry pick our youth once the ginger one had taken us down or when he called in the return favour.

Funny you mention that.  Look at the following quote from another of his ex-players (potato-head).  Why on earth would Wigan or any Prem Team want to strengthen Man U?!  You have to wonder exactly how powerful Ferguson is.

Manchester United winger Antonio Valencia returns to Wigan Athletic tonight, and former manager Steve Bruce reveals the major role he played in sending the Ecuadorian to the league leaders. "real madrid wanted him and so did bayern munich, but wigan chairman dave whelan and i wanted him to go to old trafford," the ex-united centre-back told the manchester evening news. "that was always going to happen if we had our way!"

Considering the way both our manager and chairman have got on bended knee to perform fellatio on Ferguson and Yawnighted recently I imagine it will be the same when Gary Gardner makes it big. I can picture Lerner now: 'We couldn't imagine him going anywhere else than working for Sir Alex. Given what Sir Alex Ferguson means to the game of football, I don't think you could get many things that you would be more proud of, or reflect better on Gary Gardner.' Whilst McLeish sits in the background nodding like Churchill.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 11, 2012, 05:20:08 PM
Hopefully SAF will be retired by the time people start noticing our young gems.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 11, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Christ, things really are bad if we're hankering after Martinez.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 11, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.

According to who, where, link, quotes?

Sorry, just got a bit excited.

Mailonline
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 11, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 11, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 11, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Apparently Martinez has regrets about not taking the Villa job. So do we mate, so do we.

According to who, where, link, quotes?

Sorry, just got a bit excited.

Mailonline

Ah. Less excited.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 11, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Christ, things really are bad if we're hankering after Martinez.

The decision to go after Martinez was perplexing, the decision to go for McLeish was more perplexing, but for me the decision to jump from Martinez to McLeish was the weirdest one.

There's just no continuity of thought in going for both of those managers. Like saying, "I can't decide what to have for my lunch today, I've got it down to a ham sandwich or a large bowl of custard"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 11, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
There was also McLaren to consider aswell. Was he pre- or post- Martinez?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 11, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
There was also McLaren to consider aswell. Was he pre- or post- Martinez?

I reckon they started with PL experienced managers, top of the alphabet down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
Yes, things are bad Fletch. If the finances are still shot to pieces, I could see the case for Martinez.

Could get the best out of N'Zogbia, and bring Diame, Rodellaga and Figueroa (sp)? with him for nowt.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 11, 2012, 07:06:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 11, 2012, 06:19:46 PM
Christ, things really are bad if we're hankering after Martinez.

The decision to go after Martinez was perplexing, the decision to go for McLeish was more perplexing, but for me the decision to jump from Martinez to McLeish was the weirdest one.

There's just no continuity of thought in going for both of those managers. Like saying, "I can't decide what to have for my lunch today, I've got it down to a ham sandwich or a large bowl of custard"

I'm agreeing with you far too much today.

Strangely enough, as the season has wore on i've seen the logic of us wanting to get Martinez (and i was very set against it at the time) but like you said to then employ someone with a different mindset to how the game should be played (and someone with a worse track record) that was the puzzler.

If we did go back in for him (and i'm still in two minds about it), i'd be surprised if he turned us down again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anyone?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 11, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anyone?

hes done alright but the league he is in , the teams are like average championship sides .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 11, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anyone?

he's had good grounding but is he ready for the Premeirship.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nev on April 11, 2012, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 11, 2012, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer anyone?

he's had good grounding but is he ready for the Premeirship.

If whiskey face writes a letter bigging him up he's a shoo in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Aston Manor on April 11, 2012, 08:56:38 PM
One of the things that I really haven't enjoyed seeing in both Liverpool and Stoke games is McLeish's reaction in the last 5 minutes in standing there clenched fist pumping his heart urging his players to show fight, bottle, and to dig in. now I know on the outset this my not look like anything other than a reason to try and have a go at McLeish over anything but I think it shows where he is going wrong as a coach/manager.

The problem with youth football in the UK is that they play competitively too early with the emphasis on winning games. Up and down the country parents watch their 8 year-olds play and you'll here yells of 'Get rid of it' when their kids team is holding a slender lead.

We are not teaching children how to play football. Its different at Villa and the academy and it has been noted in the press of how we work with youngsters and how we 'teach' them the game before winning and losing.

The John Terry, Stuart Pearce, Neil Ruddock heart on your sleeve type of English player is becoming more marginalised, thankfully, as it is becoming more and more obvious that its cool heads and ability that is required when defending not shouting and pumping your heart. That is 1980s English football.

My big problem is that McLeish and his coaching staff are the top of the coaching tree at Villa. What are we teaching our kids now? that when you get into the first team forget coolness under pressure, forget passing, just get stuck in? Just run hard and fight for your mates. All admirable in itself, but not for a progressive club like Villa teaching the 'European' way.

Is that what we've got to look forward to? What the kids have learnt as youngsters to either be knocked out of them the older they get? Or, even worse the players get dumped because they are not in the McLeish mold? What does that say for the coaches in the youth set-up, and the overall set-up  itself.

That pumped fist worried me no end.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
Well Martinez's team is having a go against an 'elite' club and they've done ok.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 11, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
I think he is a decent manager actually, but gets very odd results. He would be a lot better than Eck. If he did leave Wigan this summer and was available, I would be much happier if the board took the hit and changed to him than kept with Eck.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2012, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 11, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
I think he is a decent manager actually, but gets very odd results. He would be a lot better than Eck. If he did leave Wigan this summer and was available, I would be much happier if the board took the hit and changed to him than kept with Eck.

I completely agree. Martinez cannot possibly be worse than Mcleish and he tries to get his team playing football, which I'd like to actually witness. Also unless Mcleish picks up a win in the next three games, we are in big trouble.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 11, 2012, 09:46:17 PM
Mcleish you idiot, look at the table now. Wigan just beat an 'elite' club, because they had a go. If you don't play for wins in the remaining games we will go down. We need to win, not limp to defeats and draws.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 11, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Frightening statistics made worse by the fact we have supposedly better players.
There is no future with McLeish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 11, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
I don't understand the relevance? People have been making the same comparison all season.

As to the useless twat of a manager, how the burk has kept his job is beyond me. Two wins this year, one home win in nigh on six months, seven wins all season... statistic after appalling statistic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 11, 2012, 09:55:43 PM
'Just think what McLeish could do with better players and backing'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935

Oh Fuck!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 10:05:13 PM
Posted the above statistics in this thread rather than the 'Relegation Possibility' thread, as I don't think the statistics are indicative that we'll go down (as we don't need as many points this season to stay up), but they do show that McLeish doesn't appear to be doing an excellent job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 11, 2012, 10:05:19 PM
We needed to cut wages and balance the books by selling off our two best players,who did Lerner employ to guide us through this difficult time, someone who has proved twice that he cannot do that job. I don't blame McLeish, anyone in his position would have jumped at the chance the blame rests solely with Lerner, some custodian of the club he is turning out to be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 10:12:15 PM
Unfortunately, while this guy is around, there is going to continue to be this horrible cloud of shite we live under.

I can put up with us being shit, and I reckon most people can, if i feel there's some cause to have hope. I genuinely can't think of a single positive thing to take from this bloke's time in charge.

I even worry that the kids are going to come through and have their positivity stamped out of them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 11, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935

Oh Fuck!!!!
better goal difference phew !!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 11, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
He's created a negative outlook across the club and players in particular. I said to my old man while walking back to the car after the WHL debacle that a negative attitude like that seeps into the mindset of the players and cannot be switched off. The negativity has spread like a disease across our season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 11, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
For the love of god those stats should see him sacked surely? It is taking the piss he is still in charge. Just don't get it at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 11, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 11, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935

Oh Fuck!!!!
better goal difference phew !!
And a goal more.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 11, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
I don't understand the relevance? People have been making the same comparison all season.


I think the most disturbing thing about that comparison with Blues at the same time last year is that, actually, he's doing an even worse job with the players he now has.

I know we don't have a squad of the highest level, far from it, but we're way better equipped than Blues are - we have a different agenda, as he was quite happy to tell the world when he was still managing them and we were beating them 5-1.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 11, 2012, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 11, 2012, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 11, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
I don't understand the relevance? People have been making the same comparison all season.


I think the most disturbing thing about that comparison with Blues at the same time last year is that, actually, he's doing an even worse job with the players he now has.

I know we don't have a squad of the highest level, far from it, but we're way better equipped than Blues are - we have a different agenda, as he was quite happy to tell the world when he was still managing them and we were beating them 5-1.

And made noises to that effect when he had been here a few weeks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 11, 2012, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 11, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935

Oh Fuck!!!!
better goal difference phew !!
And a goal more.

As I've posted on another thread, our position compared to THEM last season is frightening!
If we do not go down it will be a minor miracle.
Then McLash will stay and we'll struggle even more next season!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 11, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Take some comfort from the remaining games, cannot see Bolton or Blackburn getting the points needed. How low have we sunk?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 11, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
I saw Gerald Ratner give a keynote speech recently and the content related to how he managed to completely screw up his business with a handful of appaling decisions. It was quite amusing to hear him talk so candidly about his idiotic mistakes but a couple of things struck me at the time that could relate to Villa. Firstly he said that he had taken advice from the wrong people. Secondly he said that a couple of decisions were so stupid that his colleagues didn't question him about them because they were convinced he knew things which they didn't which made it a good decision.

Is Lerner the new Ratner?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 11, 2012, 10:30:27 PM
I am touching cloth I must confess and have no confidence in the manager getting anything right.
He's like a vampire and the whole episode from his appointment to the mess we unsurprisingly find ourselves in has sucked the lifeblood out of our support. The owner is ultimately to blame but McLeish is the most inept manager we could have appointed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 11, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
Is his win ratio the worst in our history now?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 11, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 11, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
I saw Gerald Ratner give a keynote speech recently and the content related to how he managed to completely screw up his business with a handful of appaling decisions. It was quite amusing to hear him talk so candidly about his idiotic mistakes but a couple of things struck me at the time that could relate to Villa. Firstly he said that he had taken advice from the wrong people. Secondly he said that a couple of decisions were so stupid that his colleagues didn't question him about them because they were convinced he knew things which they didn't which made it a good decision.

Is Lerner the new Ratner?

sometimes these guys think because they have made money elsewhere they can turn there hand to anything without any

experience of that business , oh dear
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 11, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Lerner isn't the new Ratner.  But we are "crap".  I just think he doesn't care or care enough or else he would have fired AM months ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.
This.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 11, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.
This.
X 2
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 11, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
Lerner isn't the new Ratner.  But we are "crap".  I just think he doesn't care or care enough or else he would have fired AM months ago.

Exactly.
He is probably hoping we stay up and then hoping that AM will bring in his "own men" on the cheap to hopefully battle away like Stoke but hopefully with fewer resources. He's hoping for a miracle that is very unlikely to happen and clearly doesn't see what he's doing to our club. (Sorry - HIS club!).

Depressed and Lost in the West Midlands
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Nigel Adkins anyone?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: nick harper on April 11, 2012, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.

In his post match interviews he also describes a different game to the one I've watched and never takes any responsibility for the awful performances. It's my worst experience as a supporter, and that goes back 40 years.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 11, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.
This.
X 2
X 3
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 11, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 11, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
Birmingham City after 32 matches in the 2010-11 season:

WDLFAGDP
B'ham City32814103444-1038

Aston Villa after 32 matches in the 2011-12 season:

WDLFAGDP
Aston Villa32714113544-935

But imagine what he can do with our better players then the shite he had to work with at Blues. He has Darren Bent here where he only had Cameron Jerome over there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2012, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Nigel Adkins anyone?


Yes. However, as his team may very well be about to pass us on their way to the big time, there's more chance of finding out my late grandmother was Pope John Paul II.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 11, 2012, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Nigel Adkins anyone?

Yep but he will  turn us down. MON - sometimes attractive, often effective. Houllier occasionally attractive, ineffective. McLeish, never attractive, ineffective.

Why would Adkins spoil his reputation taking Villa job, Martinez didnt and didn't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 11, 2012, 10:51:53 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 11, 2012, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 11, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2012, 10:34:58 PM
I just want him to go. Terrible football, negative tactics, doesn't even try against the bigger teams, or against Spurs, talks down our chances and attempts to lower our expectations. Well I've had it. Fuck off McLeish, just fuck off.
This.
X 2
X 3

X4 from me and X5 from Mrs Jembob
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 11, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
I can only assume he is the sort of arsehole that gets into a good post like in a good deal of professions - by being good at one aspect of the job but shit at everything else and so gets the big job by being shit.
He is helping to cut costs. Nothing else.
RL doesn't seem to see the bigger picture of going down and losing out in the long term.
Whatever happens to Villa AM will have pocketed at least a couple of million and can retire in comfort. Meanwhile.....
Cnut!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 11, 2012, 10:53:39 PM
This is getting very tense can you imagine us ever winning against man Utd at home ? QP R's investment in players and a manager are now looking very good while our owner sat on his hands I think WE have to just pray but when you look at what has happened at this club this season I really do fear the worst .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 11, 2012, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: Lamb_Stockmix on April 11, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Nigel Adkins anyone?

Yep but he will  turn us down. MON - sometimes attractive, often effective. Houllier occasionally attractive, ineffective. McLeish, never attractive, ineffective.

Why would Adkins spoil his reputation taking Villa job, Martinez didnt and didn't.

I know there is a real depression around the club and us supporters at the moment but let us not lose faith and think that this current gloom defines us. We ARE a big club. Just because we been dished up shit recently does not mean a good manager will not look at us and think "hey, I could do something there. Aston Villa are a sleeping giant and I can wake them up".

If anything a good young manager like Adkins in this instance would have less pressure on him if he was to follow Alex McShitey. What would he or anyone else have to lose?

It'll just come down to if Randy and Faulkner have the ability and bravery to find someone like that.
 :-\
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 11, 2012, 11:06:24 PM
The fact that Blues had 3 more points at this stage of the season is a real worry.  Jesus.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 11, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
It's only relevant in relation to the bottom three though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 11, 2012, 11:22:44 PM
We have to hope the players collectively decide to fight their way out of this themselves. If they succeed we as fans must make it impossible for the club to continue to employ this monstrously bad "manager". People (including myself ) scorned the protestors a few weeks ago but I really wish we'd all protested now!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 11, 2012, 11:44:25 PM
I will now finally accept that RL is not going to sack AM this season.
It boils my piss, the useless owner of OUR club.

So I think we need to get behind the team and the kids and pray they can keep us up.

If we are safe with a couple of games to go - then really give AM and RL some fakin stick at the games.  BIG TIME.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 11, 2012, 11:46:28 PM
We must galvinise now for the home stretch. This will go to the wire.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 11, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
Has the needle stuck?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 11, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
Has the needle stuck?

Yes, he's still a crap manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2012, 08:18:14 AM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on April 11, 2012, 11:22:44 PM
We have to hope the players collectively decide to fight their way out of this themselves. If they succeed we as fans must make it impossible for the club to continue to employ this monstrously bad "manager". People (including myself ) scorned the protestors a few weeks ago but I really wish we'd all protested now!
The players should be deciding to fight right from the first whistle of the season, which, most of them haven't been.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on April 12, 2012, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 11, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 11, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
I saw Gerald Ratner give a keynote speech recently and the content related to how he managed to completely screw up his business with a handful of appaling decisions. It was quite amusing to hear him talk so candidly about his idiotic mistakes but a couple of things struck me at the time that could relate to Villa. Firstly he said that he had taken advice from the wrong people. Secondly he said that a couple of decisions were so stupid that his colleagues didn't question him about them because they were convinced he knew things which they didn't which made it a good decision.

Is Lerner the new Ratner?

sometimes these guys think because they have made money elsewhere they can turn there hand to anything without any

experience of that business , oh dear

Its his dads money he is playing with isn't it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
At the beginning I was prepared to give him a chance, it was only fair. That being said like the vast majority I thought it was a terrible appointment that would never work, and low and behold looks like the fans were right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 12, 2012, 09:10:47 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 12, 2012, 09:00:51 AM
At the beginning I was prepared to give him a chance, it was only fair. That being said like the vast majority I thought it was a terrible appointment that would never work, and low and behold looks like the fans were right.
Same here.
I was baffled by the appointment but got slightly suckered in by the General's medication inspired comments about giving him financial backing.
I truly thought that they'd give him some cash to strenghten the midfield area and to let him put of few of his players in.

As it turns out, he's had poor backing and he's made a complete shit sandwich of the resources available to him, mainly through a cowardly, unadventureous way of playing, with a seeming determination to put shackles on our more creative players.

This added to increasingly delusional press statements demonstrates that he's way out of his depth at a Premier club the size of Villa, he'd be more suited to the rough and tumble of the Championship, but I prey that's not with us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 12, 2012, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 11, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
It's only relevant in relation to the bottom three though.

Not quite, it's only relevant to 18th place.  After 32 games last season Blackpool were 18th on 32 points, so 6 points behind Blues, so the same gap that we have currently.

In fact the similarities between us this season and blues last season are uncanny, and that was McLeish playing with a team of 'his own players' which some people have used as the argument of why he should be allowed the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2012, 09:24:42 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 12, 2012, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 11, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
It's only relevant in relation to the bottom three though.

Not quite, it's only relevant to 18th place.  After 32 games last season Blackpool were 18th on 32 points, so 6 points behind Blues, so the same gap that we have currently.

In fact the similarities between us this season and blues last season are uncanny, and that was McLeish playing with a team of 'his own players' which some people have used as the argument of why he should be allowed the summer.

Exactly right Paul.  It's not the points total, it's the gap between teams, and as we saw last season at Blues, and this season here, McTwateiderdown (using Mazrim's name generator!) couldn't motivate a team if his life depended on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
I hope he doesn't hire behind injuries because he had a fully fit squad until January. He had one of the best strikers in the league at his disposal and he hadn't a clue how to get the ball to him so that goals would be scored. He had Bent wandering around aimlessly in the opposition half where Houllier had tried (and now he did suffer injuries throughout last season) to have him on the end of intricate passing moves or crosses from Downing.

McLeish should have had more points on the board by the time Bent got injured. 80% of us were behind him, willing him to succeed. Before the Spurs game I remember posting that we'd finish 8th under him leaving us well poised to assault the top 6 the following season.

The Spurs surrender was a sign of things to come. He basically told the players they weren't good enough to compete with Spurs and it was the same against United at home and Man City too. At the end of the day its eleven men against eleven men and we have a squad full of internationals. Alex McLeish has underperformed with this squad. He has got to be sacked.

I hope this season is just a lesson to the board. The O'Neill approach didn't work. Swinging austerity with an out of depth manager didn't work. Time to try an ambitious young manager who knows the game outside Britain and Ireland and who wants to stir the sleeping giant. There must be somebody out there. Newcastle, Wigan and Swansea seem to have found a successful combination, why can't we?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 12, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
Looking at it slightly differently, what if AM was appointed in the hope that he would be able to keep us up, but in the process, accept losing Downing and Young, then many other players, who are on high wages, would not want to stay. So, they leave, our wage bill is reduced considerably, and we use the youth players, AM will be given until Nov/Dec time to show if he is actually capable (even though nobody thinks this) and then we get rid of him for a new, young and exciting manager to take over in a position where he has good, young players and also money to be able to bring in the players he wants. Basically starting all over again when RL first arrived at the club.

Hang on, maybe that's just too far-fetched...perhaps it was just Lerner fucking up and AM should just go now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 12, 2012, 11:38:14 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

How depressing
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 12, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
As I see it, we need to start investing in the squad again regardless of who is in charge.  I think Randy has learnt from the MON era, so that will be more structured, with better use made of the youth set up, overseas scouting and Bosman signings.  However, I'd be reluctant to let McLeish do that spending, but not for the same reasons as most of you. 

He's lost such a large section of the fans that I fear there is no way back for him.  Any defeat from now on will be blamed on 'negative tactics', regardless of whether true or not, and gates will fall, creating an awful atmosphere, until Randy is left with no choice but to act, probably mid way through next season.

So then a new man comes in, with resources and space on the wagebill used up by someone else's signings.  Say it's Lambert (my personal choice if he goes), will we then be able to spend again to move players on and let him  mould his own side?  Or will it be similar to this season where AM has had to try and get the best out of a mish mash of MON and Houllier signings, with the best ones wanting off?

Our only chance is that Randy backs McLeish PROPERLY this summer so we can get off to a flyer and start to turn opinions around and lift the gloom.  Anything else will see us enter another 'transitional period', which we can only have so many off before it causes some serious longterm damage to the club.     
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 12, 2012, 11:48:03 AM
With his appointment and the dragging down of our expectations, never has the saying 'shit hits the fan' been more appropriate.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I honestly don't think it does.

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 12, 2012, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I honestly don't think it does.

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.
Yep.
The words 'Vital Championship experience' would appear in a club press statement, post relegation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on April 12, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I honestly don't think it does.

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.

If we go down I would think he has to get the boot, otherwise I would genuinely fear for his safety.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 12, 2012, 12:27:32 PM
Quote from: phantom limb on April 12, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I honestly don't think it does.

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.

If we go down I would think he has to get the boot, otherwise I would genuinely fear for his safety.

For me there is no other option. Relegation or survival, he has to be removed from the position as soon as the Season finishes. I doubt very much that will happen, but at the moment we are on course to finish on our worse points total since football began in 1992.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.

I think they would. How many fans would they expect to buy Season Tickets to watch Championship Football under Alex McLeish?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2012, 12:38:28 PM
Well considering Faulkner was talking about us competing for Europe, surely the board must be horrified by the job he's done.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 12, 2012, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 12, 2012, 12:38:28 PM
Well considering Faulkner was talking about us competing for Europe, surely the board must be horrified by the job he's done.

.... and 5th, sorry 6th, sorry I'm outta here...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Comolli has left Liverpool. Would anybody want him as a DOF here?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Comolli has left Liverpool. Would anybody want him as a DOF here?

Did a good job at Spurs, not a good one a Liverpool. I don't mind the idea of a DOF, but we need a proper manager first.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 12, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.

I think they would. How many fans would they expect to buy Season Tickets to watch Championship Football under Alex McLeish?

They weren't that bothered about season ticket sales when they appointed him in the first place, though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
I dont think they appreciate how much his continued presence has and will affect ticket and commercial sales.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 12, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: Fernando Partridge on April 12, 2012, 10:16:04 AM
The future of Alex Mcleish at Aston Villa I would guess depends on staying up. If he can learn from his experience last season then he has  improved. Remember Blues won the league cup so anything is possible !   

I don't think they'd bin him if we went down.

I think they would. How many fans would they expect to buy Season Tickets to watch Championship Football under Alex McLeish?

They weren't that bothered about season ticket sales when they appointed him in the first place, though.

True, although had'nt a lot of fans already purchased by the time they appointed him? Besides, this time they'll know what kind of football to expect.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 12, 2012, 01:13:47 PM
I agree with Maz , how can you expect to intice investment to the club when the fans don't even want to turn up for matches..last season we finished top 10 so we could still lean on that in discussion.But now we are going to be near the bottom who will want to sponsor us ..I also wonder how much of the current deals are dependant on how high we finish in the league.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 12, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
I dont think they appreciate how much his continued presence has and will affect ticket and commercial sales.

Appart from 1 match ticket I have spent not even a single penny on the club.  I would usually spend between £200-600 a season depending on funds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 12, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 12, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Comolli has left Liverpool. Would anybody want him as a DOF here?

Did a good job at Spurs, not a good one a Liverpool. I don't mind the idea of a DOF, but we need a proper manager first.

I think once KKKenny got there he had no say in incoming players, which is when they started signing players like Carroll, Henderson, Downing, etc. for way over the odds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 12, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 12, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Comolli has left Liverpool. Would anybody want him as a DOF here?

Did a good job at Spurs, not a good one a Liverpool. I don't mind the idea of a DOF, but we need a proper manager first.

I think once KKKenny got there he had no say in incoming players, which is when they started signing players like Carroll, Henderson, Downing, etc. for way over the odds.

The media are falling over themselves to pin the blame for the shite acquisitions on Comoli and absolve King Kenny totally.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 12, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 12, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 12, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Comolli has left Liverpool. Would anybody want him as a DOF here?

Did a good job at Spurs, not a good one a Liverpool. I don't mind the idea of a DOF, but we need a proper manager first.

I think once KKKenny got there he had no say in incoming players, which is when they started signing players like Carroll, Henderson, Downing, etc. for way over the odds.

The media are falling over themselves to pin the blame for the shite acquisitions on Comoli and absolve King Kenny totally.

From the above lined BBC article:-

Following Comolli's departure on Thursday, Dalglish said: "He has been really helpful in every transfer target that we've gone for.

"Everyone who has come into the club since Damien has been here was of my choice.

"Once I made the choice who I wanted, Damien went away and did a fantastic job of bringing them in.

"It's sad to see anyone leave the football club and he goes with my best wishes."

So their Kenny-defence will be he identified the players and Comoli negotiated the fees!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
So their Kenny-defence will be he identified the players and Comoli negotiated the fees!

It'll be "Kenny probably thought Carroll was worth 10m at most, it was Comoli's fault they spent 35 on him"

That transfer is incredible, if any other club had paid that far over the top for such an average player, they'd have been slaughtered for it in the media.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2012, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
So their Kenny-defence will be he identified the players and Comoli negotiated the fees!

It'll be "Kenny probably thought Carroll was worth 10m at most, it was Comoli's fault they spent 35 on him"

That transfer is incredible, if any other club had paid that far over the top for such an average player, they'd have been slaughtered for it in the media.

That is tied in with the line that they didn't really pay £35 million. They actually paid -£15 million because they sold Torres. What a load of old bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
I imagine Comoli getting sacked counts as Downing's first assist of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 12, 2012, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 12, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
So their Kenny-defence will be he identified the players and Comoli negotiated the fees!

It'll be "Kenny probably thought Carroll was worth 10m at most, it was Comoli's fault they spent 35 on him"

That transfer is incredible, if any other club had paid that far over the top for such an average player, they'd have been slaughtered for it in the media.

What gets me about it is that when they do defend it, it's always on the basis that he was signed for his potential and it may take him time to reach that.  Fair enough, but if you're signing a player and needing to complete his development, you don't pay top dollar for him, which is what they did.  He may well become the most dominant striker in English football, but then you sign him for £35m*.  Until then, potential is paid for at a lower premium than the finished article.  A good example of this was out buying Ash for a still hefty price, but then working with him to become a top level winger and England international, then worth at least double what we paid.


*play a little Devils Advocate there, as I don't think he'll be worth £35m as long as his arse faces the ground.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2012, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
I imagine Comoli getting sacked counts as Downing's first assist of the season.

Brilliant!

Comoli would not be my first choice as a DoF as previously his role generally seems to be about scouting players, whereas I think we need a guy to create a footballing identity for Villa, a guy to ensure that we are at the forefront of youth development and sports science.

HOWEVER, if the option is having no footballing influence on the board, like now, or Comoli then it is a no brainer.  In his defence at liverpool he was also (arguably) responsible for finding a few of their current youngsters.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2012, 03:01:03 PM
This is from the Beeb Rumours Page:

Former Reading and Manchester City boss Steve Coppell approached League Two side Crawley Town over the possibility of joining the club as director of football.

Another option as a DoF.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simon Ward on April 12, 2012, 03:11:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
I imagine Comoli getting sacked counts as Downing's first assist of the season.

Boom boom!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
Quote
Former Reading and Manchester City boss Steve Coppell


How many people would describe Coppell as "former Manchester City boss?

He was there for less than a month wasn't he?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 12, 2012, 03:57:16 PM
Found this letter on another forum. Thought it was rather good

Dear Mr Lerner,

I am writing to you to congratulate you on the appointment of Alex McLeish as I felt I needed to balance out the negativity and criticism that McLeish and yourself have received since he became manager of the club.

The appointment has shown that since you bought the club somewhat five years ago, you have really grasped the culture of Aston Villa. You see, I often thought that supporting Aston Villa was exactly what supporting an English football team was about. You would have a few seasons of hope and enjoyment thinking that this time something was just around the corner. And then it`d all go wrong and we`d start from scratch again. As you have grasped, this would leave us supporters disappointed, frustrated and pretty much fed up of the whole experience. Yet come next week, we`d be back at the stadium.

Now there is no more disappointment. The lack of hope which has now been thoroughly placed throughout the team, stadium and supporters means that we can no longer be disappointed about only managing one home win in six months, or losing points weekly because it feels like key issues such as defending at set pieces are not being addressed. Simply put, we now go to games knowing that the club won`t win and that we`ll most likely concede from a set piece at some point in the game.

How on earth can we Villa fans be disappointed anymore when we know exactly what will happen, week in, week out?

The complete trashing of any hope by Alex McLeish has really helped lower expectations of a fan base who`d expect more than one home game win in six months. Was it not Alex himself who told all Aston Villa supporters that "Arsenal are an elite club, and we can`t expect to beat them". It really put things in perspective - and makes this season`s achievement of beating Chelsea, last season`s victories against Arsenal and Liverpool (not to mention the majestic draws which McLeish himself would have loved against Chelsea and Manchester United) show themselves to be the flukes that were. They have better players than ours, so quite rightly we should not even entertain the idea of trying to win the game and in fact make it as easy as possible to beat us. A bit like when you are lapped in Formula One you have to let the faster car go by you without putting up a battle.

In doing so, this has made it much easier to get tickets for games. Admittedly, this was never too hard, but with so many people not bothering for the recent mouth-watering tie against Stoke City it meant that I could drive away home at full time with no traffic jams whatsoever. Marvellous stuff.

Those moaners who whinge about going to games and not seeing the team win week in, week out. They have no right to complain about that or the apparent 'negative` football on display. As previously mentioned - they know exactly what to expect - that`s what they are paying their good money for.

The complaints about negative, boring football has been a common theme from these moaners. Well let me tell you - having recently been fortunate to witness the feast of football that was on display at Aston Villa vs Stoke - I have never been so excited at a football match.

Football these days is the side show - people don`t go to the match just for the game - those moaners just need to grow a sense of imagination. At our recent trip to Villa Park we played 'How many trains will pull into Witton Station?`,`How many airplanes will we see today` and of course saw the main spectacle of the event - a very exciting zorbing competition in which one young lad very nearly broke the record. Boring? I don`t think so!

However, perhaps to appease these moaning minnies, to pretend that you are listening to these morons who think the football is the most important thing, perhaps I can make a suggestion? Why not include a cut out paper aeroplane in the programme each week? Back in the final days of David O`Leary a fun game to make a tedious 90 minutes go by was to create paper aeroplanes and see if we could make them land on the pitch. One time it landed in the penalty box and the Holte roared. It was something very special.

The transition in turning Aston Villa to a Championship level football side is a magnificent one. Not only have you made it much easier to buy tickets, but next season we might be on the BBC as they show some live Championship games - meaning that fans who can`t afford the football coverage that SKY provides can now watch some games live on television for free.

The club`s intention to appoint a manager who was in tune with the fans and a best fit with the club really has worked a treat, and I thank you for not only making the appointment, but sticking with him. In fact, if I dare make a second suggestion - perhaps it may be worth trying to convince Mr McLeish to sign a new, longer contract to keep other clubs from sniffing around him.

Yours Faithfully,

Mr C. Cream
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2012, 03:57:43 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 03:47:28 PM
Quote
Former Reading and Manchester City boss Steve Coppell


How many people would describe Coppell as "former Manchester City boss?

He was there for less than a month wasn't he?

Former Villa defender David Unsworth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
Quote
Former Villa defender David Unsworth

Former Arsenal striker Clive Allen
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
Quote
Former Villa defender David Unsworth

Former Arsenal striker Clive Allen

Former Torquay United manager Leroy Rosenior
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 04:14:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 12, 2012, 03:57:16 PM

In fact, if I dare make a second suggestion - perhaps it may be worth trying to convince Mr McLeish to sign a new, longer contract to keep other clubs from sniffing around him.


This part had me laughing out loud!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2012, 04:16:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
Quote
Former Villa defender David Unsworth

Former Arsenal striker Clive Allen

Former Torquay United manager Leroy Rosenior

Former Norwich City manager Wankin O'Pubehead
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Former Aston Villa ace Najwan Ghrayib.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:18:41 PM
Quote
Former Torquay United manager Leroy Rosenior

Lasted less than half an hour?

Brilliant

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 12, 2012, 04:19:14 PM
Surely it's not beyond the wit of our board to have negotiated a contract with McLeish with clauses based on performance so that, say, if he relegates us he gets sacked with no compensation, if we stay up by the skin of our teeth he gets sacked with six months money, finish mid-table then no change, top 6 then loads of cash and sweet kisses from the General?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 12, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
Former Aston Villa ace Najwan Ghrayib.

Ah I remember the high hopes with him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
Former Aston Villa star Paul Mortimer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quote
Former Aston Villa ace Najwan Ghrayib

The best left back John Gregory had ever seen in his entire life.

We're talking pre Warnock here
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quote
Former Aston Villa ace Najwan Ghrayib

The best left back John Gregory had ever seen in his entire life.

We're talking pre Warnock here

In fairness to Gregory, I think it was Ross MacLaren that was drooling over Ghrayib!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie659 on April 12, 2012, 04:30:15 PM
Former Villa marksman Gustavo Bartelt  :)
Former Villa stopper Vaclav Drobny  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 12, 2012, 04:31:22 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 12, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 12, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
Quote
Former Aston Villa ace Najwan Ghrayib

The best left back John Gregory had ever seen in his entire life.

We're talking pre Warnock here

In fairness to Gregory, I think it was Ross MacLaren that was drooling over Ghrayib!

When Gregory worked in Israel, Ghrayib was his Assistant Manager.

Completely irrelevant but a fact nontheless, fact fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2012, 06:46:07 PM
The point above re his contract - surely clubs legal teams are into some kind of PBR type contracts, with the incentives of increased payments/ break clauses if there is not performance to match expectation, that don't cost the club money?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
PBR = Pre Big Ron?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
Payment by results... apologies - work speak spilling into H&V
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 12, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
Payment by results... apologies - work speak spilling into H&V

The club *should* have expected a degree of backlash and therefore you’d hope that they’d have covered their arses with the sort of contract you describe, after all McLeish was getting an over all payrise having relegated a team so his position of negotiation was not great.

Furthermore, the quotes at the time suggested that the club expected us to be much better than 15th, so he might be on rocky ground. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 12, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
Great letter. Made me smile.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 12, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
I remember the paper planes. Great fun.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2012, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 12, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
I remember the paper planes. Great fun.

Cov home wasn't it? Most entertaining thing about the evening was the Holte cheering as a plane got nearer and nearer to the pitch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
I normally hate these kinds of letters, but he's really not wrong is he? Following Villa shouldn't make me not really give a shit. And most of the time it makes me feel that way. Helpless almost. I hate that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 12, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I thought it was a bit later than Coventry.

I'm sure I can remember roaring one on that somebody had chucked nearly to the eighteen yard line.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 12, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
I normally hate these kinds of letters, but he's really not wrong is he? Following Villa shouldn't make me not really give a shit. And most of the time it makes me feel that way. Helpless almost. I hate that.

It is totally different to that other one. That one stank of self importance and self righteousness.

This one is witty and well written. And also far more likely to make Randy to think, were he to read it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2012, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 12, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
I thought it was a bit later than Coventry.

I'm sure I can remember roaring one on that somebody had chucked nearly to the eighteen yard line.

Could have sworn it was a night match against Cov in the mid 90s. A really tedious 0-0.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on April 13, 2012, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 12, 2012, 08:37:41 PM
I normally hate these kinds of letters, but he's really not wrong is he? Following Villa shouldn't make me not really give a shit. And most of the time it makes me feel that way. Helpless almost. I hate that.

It is totally different to that other one. That one stank of self importance and self righteousness.

This one is witty and well written. And also far more likely to make Randy to think, were he to read it.

I doubt it, if it's true that Americans don't do irony, he'll probably take every word literally.  Personally I didn't see anything wrong with the first letter, just a pissed off supporter trying to get his point across.  Not sure why so many people are getting so haughty and precious about it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2012, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2012, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 12, 2012, 08:33:29 PM
I remember the paper planes. Great fun.

Cov home wasn't it? Most entertaining thing about the evening was the Holte cheering as a plane got nearer and nearer to the pitch.
I remember that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 13, 2012, 02:42:27 PM
There was a game against Man Yoo maybe in Pubehead's first season where Giggs got pelted by paper aeroplanes when he took a corner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
chris hughton is the man for our club. send mcleish and that idiot grant back across to the shitpile at st andrews
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 13, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
chris hughton is the man for our club. send mcleish and that idiot grant back across to the shitpile at st andrews

What i dont understand is if RL and PF wanted a man to come and work under constraints, why not go for Houghton in the first place?  He was a free agent and has proved he is a decent manager especially when having to work under a tight budget.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 13, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 13, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
chris hughton is the man for our club. send mcleish and that idiot grant back across to the shitpile at st andrews

What i dont understand is if RL and PF wanted a man to come and work under constraints, why not go for Houghton in the first place?  He was a free agent and has proved he is a decent manager especially when having to work under a tight budget.

because that would make sense..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 13, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 13, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
chris hughton is the man for our club. send mcleish and that idiot grant back across to the shitpile at st andrews

What i dont understand is if RL and PF wanted a man to come and work under constraints, why not go for Houghton in the first place?  He was a free agent and has proved he is a decent manager especially when having to work under a tight budget.

because that would make sense..

aahhhh, thats its!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 13, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 13, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
chris hughton is the man for our club. send mcleish and that idiot grant back across to the shitpile at st andrews


I like Hughton, A very good manager who can work with restriction’s from the board and plays decent football.

I think a lot of villa fans rate him and I’d like to see him come in because not only he would do a good job, it would also shut the so called experts up who think that our only problem with Mcleish is that he came from the noses.

Don’t think it would happen though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:30:20 PM
Yep, cant see us poaching their manager for the 2nd time.  Saying that tho, i heard he only has a 12 month contract so he could walk away to a better job for free!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 13, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 13, 2012, 04:07:23 PM


What i dont understand is if RL and PF wanted a man to come and work under constraints, why not go for Houghton in the first place?  He was a free agent and has proved he is a decent manager especially when having to work under a tight budget.
Because they didn't consider getting a team promoted and then sitting in 9 th place before being unfairly sacked as proven premiership experience, but preferred to go for the safer option of 2 relegations in 3 seasons from the Premier League
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 13, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
We may as well stop trying to figure out why McLeish was appointed. Between us all over the past nine months, we've just about exhausted every possible sensible reason.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 13, 2012, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 13, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
We may as well stop trying to figure out why McLeish was appointed. Between us all over the past nine months, we've just about exhausted every possible sensible reason.

Speak for yourself. In nine months I've never come up with a single one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 13, 2012, 05:00:17 PM
I know one. He was appointed to succeed Houllier.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
Am I the only one who has reread the "Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll" thread and still starts feeling when McLeish is first mentioned?

On the flip side, some of the denial in the early stages is entertaining, in a sick and twisted way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
I thought and hoped he could do a Moyes.  There can be only one outcome for me, he's gotta go.  To be relegation threatened at Aston Villa isn't good enough. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 13, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
I thought and hoped he could do a Moyes.  There can be only one outcome for me, he's gotta go.  To be relegation threatened at Aston Villa isn't good enough. 
Unfortunately, it appears good enough for Randy or he'd have been gone long ago
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 13, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 13, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
I thought and hoped he could do a Moyes.  There can be only one outcome for me, he's gotta go.  To be relegation threatened at Aston Villa isn't good enough. 
Unfortunately, it appears good enough for Randy or he'd have been gone long ago


i still dont believe that,
 there is no way Randy is sitting down somewhere thinking everything is working out the way he planned, no way.
whatever the reasons were and whatever the minimum ask was, it wasnt this.

i know he should have gone, but it makes no odds now or at the end of the season,
if he is still the manager of Villa at the start of next season i will eat my sowester

it just stands to reason on every level that we canot continue this into another season, so no matter how much you guys say he wont go, no matter how mant times you sign of your posts 'he's going nowhere' defiantly, there is only one answer to the thread question -
 the future of Alex Mcleish will not be at Villa Park next season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 13, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
I hope you’re right john e.

I also hope that a serious strategy for Villa is being planned out with a new manager being just a small part of an over all change of direction.  Unfortunately I doubt this is the case as surely we’d have heard something if it were happening behind the scenes.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 13, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 13, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
I hope you’re right john e.

I also hope that a serious strategy for Villa is being planned out with a new manager being just a small part of an over all change of direction.  Unfortunately I doubt this is the case as surely we’d have heard something if it were happening behind the scenes.




yes i hope so to, i'l let you into a secret, just between you and me,
  i'm putting on my brave face when i write those posts
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 13, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
I really hope you are right, john e.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 13, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
We've been languishing in the bottom half for how long, playing absoloutely Shite football, surrendering to the elite teams bar Chelsea (a) Arse (h) Whilst Randy has just sat back and allowed it to happen If he keeps us up, he'll still be here
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 13, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
Probably, but we can but hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 13, 2012, 06:11:19 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 13, 2012, 06:07:50 PM
We've been languishing in the bottom half for how long, playing absoloutely Shite football, surrendering to the elite teams bar Chelsea (a) Arse (h) Whilst Randy has just sat back and allowed it to happen If he keeps us up, he'll still be here

have you never heard of the phrase -  give a man enough rope,
 if he had got rid earlier people would have said he wasnt given a chance, he was Randy's choice so he was always going to get that, but its been a disaster,
Randy wont put us through it all again next season, dont forget he's got more at stake finacially then anyone else
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on April 13, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_McLeish

Just noticed that McLeish made his 1st team debut under Billy McNeill. Bad omen?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 13, 2012, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: john e on April 13, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 13, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
I thought and hoped he could do a Moyes.  There can be only one outcome for me, he's gotta go.  To be relegation threatened at Aston Villa isn't good enough. 
Unfortunately, it appears good enough for Randy or he'd have been gone long ago


i still dont believe that,
 there is no way Randy is sitting down somewhere thinking everything is working out the way he planned, no way.
whatever the reasons were and whatever the minimum ask was, it wasnt this.

i know he should have gone, but it makes no odds now or at the end of the season,
if he is still the manager of Villa at the start of next season i will eat my sowester

it just stands to reason on every level that we canot continue this into another season, so no matter how much you guys say he wont go, no matter how mant times you sign of your posts 'he's going nowhere' defiantly, there is only one answer to the thread question -
 the future of Alex Mcleish will not be at Villa Park next season
Please say you have inside information John
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 13, 2012, 06:42:49 PM
Quote from: ez on April 13, 2012, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: john e on April 13, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 13, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on April 13, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
I thought and hoped he could do a Moyes.  There can be only one outcome for me, he's gotta go.  To be relegation threatened at Aston Villa isn't good enough. 
Unfortunately, it appears good enough for Randy or he'd have been gone long ago


i still dont believe that,
 there is no way Randy is sitting down somewhere thinking everything is working out the way he planned, no way.
whatever the reasons were and whatever the minimum ask was, it wasnt this.

i know he should have gone, but it makes no odds now or at the end of the season,
if he is still the manager of Villa at the start of next season i will eat my sowester

it just stands to reason on every level that we canot continue this into another season, so no matter how much you guys say he wont go, no matter how mant times you sign of your posts 'he's going nowhere' defiantly, there is only one answer to the thread question -
 the future of Alex Mcleish will not be at Villa Park next season
Please say you have inside information John


no, i'm just always right on a lot of matters     ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 13, 2012, 06:51:03 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 13, 2012, 04:56:09 PM
We may as well stop trying to figure out why McLeish was appointed. Between us all over the past nine months, we've just about exhausted every possible sensible reason.

Firstly, McLeish wasn't top of the list exactly. We approached God knows how many managers until Randy finally flew to Corsica. It was as if the board were tired talking to decent managers who demanded decent conditions and subsequently declined when they understood what they were offered, and thus opted to approach a manager who would accept the job no matter what.

Secondly, Randy wanted a manager he gets on with. And he likes/liked McLeish.

For the record, I think john e is right. Randy isn't the most trigger happy owner in the PL, but he's not as hapless and disinterested as some believe. Just sensible enough to know that now is not the time to discuss the manager's position. If we, at the end of the season, have only managed 40 points or even less, and only just escaped relegation, he will show McLeish the door.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on April 13, 2012, 07:03:12 PM
If Mc Leish stays as rumoured that he will be, then the negativity will still not move away,there is a massive cloud hanging over Villa and it has to be removed for the good of the Club and probably for Mc Leish's sake aswell.

 Eck Staying on will not be healthy for Aston Villa, I have yet to meet any supporter that wants him at the club!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: woody4866 on April 13, 2012, 07:35:10 PM
Lets just hope our American owner has the same instincts as the Liverpool owner as it looks as though the knives are out and all patience has gone after a "shite" season (fookin superb compared to ours??)

Cant see it though - I reckon he will be given until X-Mas :'(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 13, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
Quote from: woody4866 on April 13, 2012, 07:35:10 PM
Lets just hope our American owner has the same instincts as the Liverpool owner as it looks as though the knives are out and all patience has gone after a "shite" season (fookin superb compared to ours??)

I'm not sure many people would class spending £100m to be 3 points ahead of Norwich at this point is 'fookin superb'.  Dalglish has been just as shite as McLeish but started as a folk hero round there whereas AML wasn't wanted in the first place by the vast majority of Villa fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on April 13, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
The Liverpool owners have been struck by the Liverpool disease, acute self regard.   The Liverpool myth cannot be threatened by one of it's legendary players being seen as anything short of a brilliant manager so they turned to the nearest scapegoat.   The same has happened and will continue to happen to Liverpool under Dalglish as happened to the England rugby team under Martin Johnson.   They will self destruct.    There is no connection between the ability to play a game and to coach it well.   They are two totally opposed skills.   Dalglish was the one who should have gone and he should have had the decency to walk rather than let somebody else carry the can.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 13, 2012, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 13, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
The Liverpool owners have been struck by the Liverpool disease, acute self regard.   The Liverpool myth cannot be threatened by one of it's legendary players being seen as anything short of a brilliant manager so they turned to the nearest scapegoat.   The same has happened and will continue to happen to Liverpool under Dalglish as happened to the England rugby team under Martin Johnson.   They will self destruct.    There is no connection between the ability to play a game and to coach it well.   They are two totally opposed skills.   Dalglish was the one who should have gone and he should have had the decency to walk rather than let somebody else carry the can.

Its that being caught between a rock and hard place thing, my feeling is where Dalglish is concerned is he would quit if it got to messy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 12:20:27 AM
I find it strange that KKK has come out and said he selected the players, the reason for dumping Comoli must be something to do with how he handled the negotiations, they paid way too much for Carol Downing Hendrson. Lpool are in the same situation MON put us in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 14, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 12:20:27 AM
I find it strange that KKK has come out and said he selected the players, the reason for dumping Comoli must be something to do with how he handled the negotiations, they paid way too much for Carol Downing Hendrson. Lpool are in the same situation MON put us in.

But I can see them continuing to spend big. Profligacy would be more damaging to us, they can probably take the hit. Bastids.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 12:37:47 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 14, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 12:20:27 AM
I find it strange that KKK has come out and said he selected the players, the reason for dumping Comoli must be something to do with how he handled the negotiations, they paid way too much for Carol Downing Hendrson. Lpool are in the same situation MON put us in.

But I can see them continuing to spend big. Profligacy would be more damaging to us, they can probably take the hit. Bastids.
Not sure that the group that bought Lppol has that amount of cash, thier reputation is based on building prudently, they knew that they had to spend to transform Lpool from mid table to top 4 and they have wasted the the initial and largest investment they will make.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Terry Jones on April 14, 2012, 01:21:55 AM
Now as a villa fan five years old now nearly sixty seven have seen the good bad and the good times at our great club.But what Mc Moron and Lerner are doing to the club is down right ugly.and if we go down can only hope that the future is not going be like that at,Port Vale as it could happen if there is no change in management or ownership.So my vote would be AM should go now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 14, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
I can see a situation where AMc leaves at the end of the season. 

Ultimately, if Villa stay up then to the outside world it will be a “par” performance considering the players who left, therefore he will maintain his reputation.  However, if he is given another season (and maybe some money) and the results/performances are the same then his standing in the game will suffer and his risks never getting another management job.

I can see him leaving under mutual consent as he can blame the fans/circumstances.  He’ll get a pay off and crucially stand a chance of getting another gig at someone like Wolves or Rangers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 



no please .....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 



no please .....

Which bit?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 14, 2012, 02:36:30 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 



no please .....

Which bit?

The bit about having a full pre-season I think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
To be honest as much as I hate the 'we don't give him a chance because he's from Blose' bollocks. If he leaves and then blames it on that I don't care, just as long as he leaves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 14, 2012, 10:29:50 AM
I'm prepared to let him stay for one more season


Spring
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 


Given's done OK, but we've had nothing like value for money from Hutton or N'Zogbia.  Also, Given isn't really an improvement on Friedel, but has cost us dosh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 14, 2012, 10:45:03 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
To be honest as much as I hate the 'we don't give him a chance because he's from Blose' bollocks. If he leaves and then blames it on that I don't care, just as long as he leaves.

This. His performance has been atrocious in my view. We should have had more goals and points while Darren Bent was fit. He couldn't get the ball to a £20m striker and didn't know what to do with him.

I'm hoping we show some ambition in the summer. Most other fans talk to me as if it's a foregone conclusion Villa will sack McLeish. My United supporting friend from Northern Ireland was onto me yesterday about the upcoming fixture. He casually started listing managers villa should go for 'when McLeish leaves'. I think it's obvious to most people that we have under-achieved with McLeish, especially in a season when the positions to fifth were actually wide open for anybody that could get a decent run together.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2012, 10:59:22 AM
Just sack him Randy for fucks sake and actually get a coherent and workable vision for the club. We're a complete mess at the moment and Mcleish's performance has been atrocious and unacceptable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 14, 2012, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 14, 2012, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 


Given's done OK, but we've had nothing like value for money from Hutton or N'Zogbia.  Also, Given isn't really an improvement on Friedel, but has cost us dosh.
Think Given has done well, obviously Hutton is toilet.
N'Zogbia I blame Mcpisspoor 100%, I feel that to get the best out of N'Zogbia, you need to play attacking football and give him the freedom to express himself more, our defensive style doesn't suit him at all.

I think we'll see the best out of him IF we get a new Manager in.

And that's a big IF.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
I think a useful question is whether you think he should be sacked now or not. Does any Villa fan want him in charge honestly? I'm pretty confident that the vast majority don't and that is the key point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 



no please .....

Which bit?

show what he can do  ....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
Darren bent is the england striker , scored goals for fun , got one of the best scoring records in recent years .

McLeish made him look like Bosko Balaban .


McLeish OUT!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
I suppose, the longer Randy leaves it before sacking him, the less compo he has to pay!  Might as well wait until the end of the season.  Go all out to get Lambert.  I understand that Tom Ross, that "one eyed font of all knowledge claret and blue", said that he's been told by Faulkner that McLeish is staying and will be backed in the transfer market in the summer.  As Ross is wrong on pretty much everything he ever says, I'm hoping that this one is a given.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 14, 2012, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
Darren bent is the england striker , scored goals for fun , got one of the best scoring records in recent years .

McLeish made him look like Bosko Balaban .


McLeish OUT!!!!

Nine goals in 22 games is hardly Balaban.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2012, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 14, 2012, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
Darren bent is the england striker , scored goals for fun , got one of the best scoring records in recent years .

McLeish made him look like Bosko Balaban .


McLeish OUT!!!!

Nine goals in 22 games is hardly Balaban.

It's also pretty much bang on Bent's career goals per game ratio.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
Sadly, the only way he'll get the boot is if season ticket sales are only hitting the fifteen thousand mark. A forty percent drop won't be ignored.

The sales are so poor at the moment that it could well turn out that way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 14, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Newby on April 14, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
Go all out to get Lambert.

Was my pick last summer. Think he's done a fantastic job at Norwich and would love to see him get the opportunity with us. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan1975 on April 14, 2012, 12:09:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 14, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
I think a useful question is whether you think he should be sacked now or not. Does any Villa fan want him in charge honestly? I'm pretty confident that the vast majority don't and that is the key point.
Even if Randy was considering sacking before then end of season ,I think the Wolves Mcarthy sacking and putting his assistant in charge has been such a disaster that he would be foolish to get rid before the end of season. After the Norwich game mind I would say goodbye and make him walk home if I was Randy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 14, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
I think the best scenario now is he is sacked when we reach mathematical safety, hopefully before the Spurs game. If we're safe and he remains in charge for that one it'll be a very sour atmosphere. Let's scrape the points we need before then, get rid, put K-Mac in charge for the final two games and end the season with some optimism.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 14, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on April 14, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Newby on April 14, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
Go all out to get Lambert.

Was my pick last summer. Think he's done a fantastic job at Norwich and would love to see him get the opportunity with us. 

The thing about Lambert too is he has that experience of Borussia Dortmund. He must have picked up a few interesting bits of knowledge when he won the Champion's League with them. Then more I think about it the more I'd like to see him in the Villa Park hotseat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 14, 2012, 12:30:12 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 14, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on April 14, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Newby on April 14, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
Go all out to get Lambert.

Was my pick last summer. Think he's done a fantastic job at Norwich and would love to see him get the opportunity with us. 

The thing about Lambert too is he has that experience of Borussia Dortmund. He must have picked up a few interesting bits of knowledge when he won the Champion's League with them. Then more I think about it the more I'd like to see him in the Villa Park hotseat.

I thought the whole experience at Dortmund was of more relevance than the much lauded "must have managed in the Premier League", especially when applied to the clown we ended up with.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2012, 01:16:59 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:28:37 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2012, 02:10:46 AM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on April 14, 2012, 02:03:17 AM
I'm looking at who he's bought.  Not too shabby, so far. 

I have or had, an issue with the way he used subs.  Far too late, but recently that has got a lot better and the subs have made a real impact.

If the team or some of them are ignoring tactics and 'defending' (ie hanging around) too far back then the sooner those individuals move on the better, for the club.
I think he needs to show what he can do with a full pre-season. 



no please .....

Which bit?

show what he can do  ....

The main issue I have with this is that he's had a full pre-season with us already, and did nothing in that time to resolve our defensive weakness from set pieces which everyone had seen the year before.  Aside from that a lot of our problems are with the mental aspects - confidence, attitude, etc.  These are things we should be working on all season.  A pre-season is good for grounding in fitness levels (which have been pretty poor so he didn't do anything about that either) and working on organisational and tactical ideas.

I guess I just don't see how anyone can think getting more of his own players and having another pre-season will change his playstyle, he played like this for 3 1/2 years at blues with lots of his own players, he's done it with us regardless of who is on the pitch.  For all his gesturing and comments on the touchline the one consistent in nearly 4 1/2 seasons of playing shit defensive football in england is him.

I'm also with john e on sacking him I just can't see anyway that the board will think he's performed up to the level to earn his wage.  I firmly believe he won't be here at the start of next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
McFuck / McChuff / McLeish / whatever your chosen name for him, became our manager on June 17th - that has to be a full pre-season, doesn't it?

Were the players even back off holiday at that point?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2012, 01:39:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 01:32:16 PM
McFuck / McChuff / McLeish / whatever your chosen name for him, became our manager on June 17th - that has to be a full pre-season, doesn't it?

Were the players even back off holiday at that point?

It was a full pre-season. He has no excuse for his ineptitude.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 14, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Alex McLeech, so called because he's sucked the life out of this wonderful club.

Mr Lerner, Sir, get rid of this sucker now while the club still has a pulse and while you're at it, get your own shit together and start looking like you give a fuck!

McLeech's future, in the unbelievable world of football failures, should be counting his payoff on a beach somewhere far, far from B6, and nothing more!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 06, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
Eigentor, Just out of curiosity, what is a Muppet Hero?

Ages ago I did some moderating tasks on this site because no-one else could/wanted to, and the site admin thanked me by giving me the title "Muppet Hero". As you see from the bar below that title, the level of muppetry is how posters are ranked on this site.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:28:27 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 06, 2012, 09:24:00 PM
Eigentor, Just out of curiosity, what is a Muppet Hero?

Ages ago I did some moderating tasks on this site because no-one else could/wanted to, and the site admin thanked me by giving me the title "Muppet Hero". As you see from the bar below that title, the level of muppetry is how posters are ranked on this site.

Are you an actual real Norwegian, Eigentor?

Your English is utterly indistinguishable from any other poster on here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years

I'd say that AM to remain in charge and not given reasonable funds is a worse scenario. Regardless of who the manager is, the squad needs to be improved in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 14, 2012, 03:30:51 PM
It's a damn sight better than most. including mine.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Are you an actual real Norwegian, Eigentor?

Your English is utterly indistinguishable from any other poster on here.

I am. In a small country like Norway, we speak, read and write almost as much in English as in our mother tongue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: preston28 on April 14, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Perhaps he could be Sir Alex's successor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17713400
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
Yes Sir Alex he's done a remarkably bad job, you bellend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 14, 2012, 05:06:47 PM
I can't help feeling that Ferguson laughs up his sleeve after singing the praises of some of his so called 'rival' Managers.
Hasn't he also waxed lyrical previously about Allardyce, Bruce etc, safe in the knowledge that they're no threat to him whatsoever.

Sadly, Blandy took the glowing letter of praise about McHappyshopperFerguson as evidence of some sort of genius. said letter is surely now in tatters from the massive discharge of fuckmuck all over it.

If and when he does get the push, you just know that the media are going to make out that he was persecuted to within an inch of his life at every home game he managed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
To Ferguson, his friendship with McLeish is more important than the fortunes of Aston Villa. That's the reason behind his quotes. And as much as I dislike the man, it's not his job to look after Villa's interests.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 14, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years

I'd say that AM to remain in charge and not given reasonable funds is a worse scenario. Regardless of who the manager is, the squad needs to be improved in the summer.

can you imagine what sort of players AM would bring in if he was handed a decent budget,
 it would take us years to get over it, we are still railing from MON's spending, and he was far better than the scotsmeister
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 05:45:24 PM
I hope Randy isn't reading that Ferguson article.

He'll give him a three year contract extension.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
Looks like he has kept us up. I think an open top bus tour, civic reception and a rolling 5 year contract are in order.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years

I'd say that AM to remain in charge and not given reasonable funds is a worse scenario. Regardless of who the manager is, the squad needs to be improved in the summer.

can you imagine what sort of players AM would bring in if he was handed a decent budget,
 it would take us years to get over it, we are still railing from MON's spending, and he was far better than the scotsmeister

Well, if AM stays and is not given a decent transfer budget, there is a fair chance that we'll go down next season.

If he stays and is given a decent transfer budget, he'll probably bring in a lot of dross, but hard-working dross who'll grind out enough draws and narrow wins for us to stay in the division. And the board surely won't repeat the wage extravaganza sanctioned under MON, thus limiting the long-term damage caused by McLeish's ineptude in the transfer market.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 14, 2012, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years

I'd say that AM to remain in charge and not given reasonable funds is a worse scenario. Regardless of who the manager is, the squad needs to be improved in the summer.

can you imagine what sort of players AM would bring in if he was handed a decent budget,
 it would take us years to get over it, we are still railing from MON's spending, and he was far better than the scotsmeister

Well, if AM stays and is not given a decent transfer budget, there is a fair chance that we'll go down next season.

If he stays and is given a decent transfer budget, he'll probably bring in a lot of dross, but hard-working dross who'll grind out enough draws and narrow wins for us to stay in the division. And the board surely won't repeat the wage extravaganza sanctioned under MON, thus limiting the long-term damage caused by McLeish's ineptude in the transfer market.


i'd still rather take my chances with relegation than another season with AM with or without finances.

but as i have said before i cant  for the life of me believe he will still be here next season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Locko on April 14, 2012, 06:20:30 PM
AM has no future at Villa, his retarded style of football and laughable 'it wasn't me guv, not my fault..' pass the buck style of management have him marked down as a fucknut of the highest order. Personally I'd be happy for the club to blow the summer transfer budget on firing and paying off the lamentable buffoon, and prising Hodgson out of the Baggies as his successor. One can dream, but it's clear Lerner would rather sleep walk the club off a cliff than get shot, cos Siralex sent him a letter saying, ' my mucker Alex- absolutely top banana...'. Jesus wept.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 14, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 14, 2012, 03:28:03 PM
My absolute nightmare synario is for AM to remain in charge next season and to be given reasonable funds,
That would truly put the club back years

I'd say that AM to remain in charge and not given reasonable funds is a worse scenario. Regardless of who the manager is, the squad needs to be improved in the summer.

can you imagine what sort of players AM would bring in if he was handed a decent budget,


Keith Fahey for £5m.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: avfcpg on April 14, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
AM with money to spend? Shudder....Zigic for 10M and extend Heskeys contract for another 5 years.
Get rid of those peskey ball playing kids....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard on April 14, 2012, 07:33:41 PM
The guy has no future at our club, end of discussion.

Sadly, while he remains gates will decline and I for one will not buy another season ticket. Talking to a Nose the other night (a reasonable one), he thought initially that McClueless would do ok at Villa with a better standard of player. I just don't think he trusts flair/adventurous play when it comes down to it.

He also mentioned about how he regularly played people out of position, lost the respect of the players near the end of the season who ended up going out on the lash, and failed to motivate them in the last few games when they only really needed a point to stay up. Oh and only usually played one up front even at home.

The fact that AM felt he could not get the Noses back up speaks volumes. What exactly is this bloke capable of ? He is just not right for us at all. Please get rid as soon as the season ends.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 14, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Are you an actual real Norwegian, Eigentor?

Your English is utterly indistinguishable from any other poster on here.

I am. In a small country like Norway, we speak, read and write almost as much in English as in our mother tongue.

So you actually live in Norway, another poster lives in Lanzarote, Villa fans, fascinating stuff, I thought when people put distant destination in there Location header, thought that was a send up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 14, 2012, 07:37:50 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 14, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Are you an actual real Norwegian, Eigentor?

Your English is utterly indistinguishable from any other poster on here.

I am. In a small country like Norway, we speak, read and write almost as much in English as in our mother tongue.

So you actually live in Norway, another poster lives in Lanzarote, Villa fans, fascinating stuff, I thought when people put distant destination in there Location header, thought that was a send up.

We've got loads of foreign based posters, Villanation. You'd be surprised.

The unavoidable sadness churned out of the B6 assembly line is felt in all four corners of the globe, have no doubt.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 14, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: preston28 on April 14, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Perhaps he could be Sir Alex's successor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17713400

I can't believe what I just read. Mcleish has failed in every aspect of the job as far as I'm concerned.

Quote
"We all need a pat on the back at times and Alex has done a remarkable job."


He's really, really taking the piss.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2012, 08:54:58 PM
For once, I don't disagree with Fergiescum at all.

McBoogerballs has done a remarkable job. 

This has been a season of transition -where we have transitioned from being a decent team (albeit with defensive shortcomings) to a truly woeful one.  One mocked up and down the country for our approach and style of play. 

For some managers, it would have taken 2/3 years and countless shite signings to oversee that level of decline and the subsequent fall in gates.  Everyone's favourite red headed stepson has ensured we've managed it in just one!  Impressive.

Just think what he could do with even more time and backing!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on April 14, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 14, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: preston28 on April 14, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Perhaps he could be Sir Alex's successor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17713400

I can't believe what I just read. Mcleish has failed in every aspect of the job as far as I'm concerned.

Quote
"We all need a pat on the back at times and Alex has done a remarkable job."


He's really, really taking the piss.

I agree with this, Fergie has done a remarkable job over the years...... Whats that you say? This is Fergie talking about McLeish, fuuuuuck off!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2012, 09:08:48 PM
Thanks to the ineptitude shit elsewhere, it looks like Villa might be safe this season after all, unless we lose to Bolton of course.  McLeish has done his very best to do what he does best, get a team relegated.  He's crap and fully deserves to go. Form is crap, gates will be crap, although currently getting worse by the week.  Ferguson is right, he's done a remarkable job.  How excellent he's been in taking us from the top half to the bottom six.  Well done Alex, thanks very much. A remarkable transition indeed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on April 14, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
Ferguson has to be taking the piss. He has probably told McLeish what team to play as well. FFS Randy we are a laughing stock.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on April 14, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Ferguson must be absolutely shitting himself over City if he's got to sweet talk McLeish, fuck off Fergie you intefering red nosed ******, we're going to roll over for you anyway, theres no need for the cock sucking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
Why don't we let Fergiescum dictate next summer's budget whilst we're at it. 

And the colours we play in.

After all, he's always had our best interests at heart.  Why stop at just letting him select the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 14, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: luke25 on April 14, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 14, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: preston28 on April 14, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Perhaps he could be Sir Alex's successor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17713400

I can't believe what I just read. Mcleish has failed in every aspect of the job as far as I'm concerned.

Quote
"We all need a pat on the back at times and Alex has done a remarkable job."


He's really, really taking the piss.

I agree with this, Fergie has done a remarkable job over the years...... Whats that you say? This is Fergie talking about McLeish, fuuuuuck off!
If Fergie thinks he is so good he can fucking have him as his assistant next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 14, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but having his little proteges in place is one of the ways that the Ferguson empire is continued. Most of them are crap, he knows that, but in having them at one of the clubs in the league guarantees him 4-6 points a season as they'll roll over as soon as him and his team rock up. They will be somewhat more obdurate for his rivals of course and this will aid their title challenges. Also, it's a convenient way of making sure that any little clubs don't get any ideas above their station. Such as appointing a decent manager who might enable the club to overperform.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 14, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 14, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, but having his little proteges in place is one of the ways that the Ferguson empire is continued. Most of them are crap, he knows that, but in having them at one of the clubs in the league guarantees him 4-6 points a season as they'll roll over as soon as him and his team rock up. They will be somewhat more obdurate for his rivals of course and this will aid their title challenges. Also, it's a convenient way of making sure that any little clubs don't get any ideas above their station. Such as appointing a decent manager who might enable the club to overperform.

The Romans used the same tactic. When they conquered a nation, they would take some of the young nobility as 'hostage'. Usually these young heirs would be sent to Rome and educated/corrupted in the ways of that civilisation with the result that once in power back in their homeland they would be compliant to the requirements of the Empire.
An exception to this of course was Attila the Hun who spent time as hostage in Rome but used his time there to undersatnd how to beat the Romans at their own game. Sadly, Mcleish is no Attila!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 14, 2012, 11:00:59 PM
Quote from: cdward on April 14, 2012, 09:09:27 PM
Ferguson has to be taking the piss. He has probably told McLeish what team to play as well. FFS Randy we are a laughing stock.

Keep away if you think that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of him not being here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan1975 on April 14, 2012, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 14, 2012, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: luke25 on April 14, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 14, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Quote from: preston28 on April 14, 2012, 04:45:30 PM
Perhaps he could be Sir Alex's successor?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17713400

I can't believe what I just read. Mcleish has failed in every aspect of the job as far as I'm concerned.

Quote
"We all need a pat on the back at times and Alex has done a remarkable job."


He's really, really taking the piss.

I agree with this, Fergie has done a remarkable job over the years...... Whats that you say? This is Fergie talking about McLeish, fuuuuuck off!
If Fergie thinks he is so good he can fucking have him as his assistant next season.
I do wonder how many of Fergies "protoges" he will be putting forward to carry on the legacy.I can just see our esteemed manager taking over and bringing his wonderful brand of football to Old Trafford.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 14, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of him not being here.

Randy thinks we're fair-weather fans, and that McLeish is a winner. He will fund Eck's summer spending spree (even if it be minuscule spending, with multiple transfers). He is clearly under the impression that if Eck starts to get results at the  beginning of next year's campaign then the supporters will return. I doubt that will be the case, but I am 100% sure Alex McLeish will in fact be our manager come 2012/2013.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 14, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 14, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of him not being here.

Randy thinks we're fair-weather fans, and that McLeish is a winner. He will fund Eck's summer spending spree (even if it be minuscule spending, with multiple transfers). He is clearly under the impression that if Eck starts to get results at the  beginning of next year's campaign then the supporters will return. I doubt that will be the case, but I am 100% sure Alex McLeish will in fact be our manager come 2012/2013.

I think if the results do come, a lot of the lost supporters will return. Even if the football isn't much cop. The issue of doubt is whether or not the results will come. Most people's grievance is the moribund football and the shit performances/results that McLeish has brought. If those are disproven then people will come flocking back. However, I don't anticipate that results will be good enough. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2012, 11:13:56 PM
What I don't get about us paying attention to anything Fergie said last summer is the complete lack of business sense.

I mean, outside of football, him recommending someone to a competitor to fill such a pivotal role would be completely inappropriate (there's got to be a conflict of interests there) so why is it seen as a sensible thing to do in this case?

As for that interview I just read that as Fergie getting in early with staking his claim for 6 points from us next season, he'll be bigging up Bruce for a job as well, a 12 point headstart on Man City will be important next year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2012, 11:20:22 PM
When was the last time we had just 4 home wins on the board this late into the season? 

Whatever the mitigating circumstances/ factors he had to contend with on taking the job, with this group of players that really is shit. 

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of him not being here.
Paulie I know we think the worst of the people running the show, I do however believe that they do understand that there is absolotely no way that the club can move forward with him in charge, they thought that with the squad he inherited, a belief in his ability that somehow he would do enough to bring the fans around. He has been a spectacular failure, they know this, they know that the way the season has turned out that there is a rush for the exits. He is toast.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
Admire your positivity Hawks. 

Hope you're right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2012, 11:54:51 PM
I believe he may well be here next season, although there is fair chance he won't be.

You heard it here first so get down the bookies and cash in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 15, 2012, 12:06:13 AM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 14, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 14, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 14, 2012, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of him not being here.

Randy thinks we're fair-weather fans, and that McLeish is a winner. He will fund Eck's summer spending spree (even if it be minuscule spending, with multiple transfers). He is clearly under the impression that if Eck starts to get results at the  beginning of next year's campaign then the supporters will return. I doubt that will be the case, but I am 100% sure Alex McLeish will in fact be our manager come 2012/2013.

I think if the results do come, a lot of the lost supporters will return. Even if the football isn't much cop. The issue of doubt is whether or not the results will come. Most people's grievance is the moribund football and the shit performances/results that McLeish has brought. If those are disproven then people will come flocking back. However, I don't anticipate that results will be good enough. 
I think that he crossed the line, the line that said that a great many people would not turn up  if he remains in charge, I do not believe that they will take a chance on the scenario you paint. Its over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 15, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 14, 2012, 11:13:56 PM
What I don't get about us paying attention to anything Fergie said last summer is the complete lack of business sense.

I mean, outside of football, him recommending someone to a competitor to fill such a pivotal role would be completely inappropriate (there's got to be a conflict of interests there) so why is it seen as a sensible thing to do in this case?

As for that interview I just read that as Fergie getting in early with staking his claim for 6 points from us next season, he'll be bigging up Bruce for a job as well, a 12 point headstart on Man City will be important next year.

Fully agree with this.

Ferguson knows what he's doing. Poison the 'somewhat competitive' clubs to make his life easier. He's a horses ass.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on April 15, 2012, 12:47:41 AM
Fergie is a patronising *anker. McLeish has won only 15 of his last 70 PL games. So how much more time does he need to succeed in this League?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 15, 2012, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Have you put out a hit on him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 03:02:30 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 15, 2012, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 14, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
He will not be our Manager next season.

Have you put out a hit on him?

I'll bet you 50p he will be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
One of the most depressing thing about this bloke is he never looks particularly bothered by losing, and always looks pleased with a point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 15, 2012, 06:12:57 PM
Agreed, I'm quickly losing interest in all of it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I'm dreading next season if he's still here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I'm dreading next season if he's still here.

This.

FFS Randy where is your self respect. You've sucked enough of it out of #avfc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Billy Walker on April 15, 2012, 06:18:20 PM
Quote from: villadelph on April 15, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 14, 2012, 11:13:56 PM
What I don't get about us paying attention to anything Fergie said last summer is the complete lack of business sense.

I mean, outside of football, him recommending someone to a competitor to fill such a pivotal role would be completely inappropriate (there's got to be a conflict of interests there) so why is it seen as a sensible thing to do in this case?

As for that interview I just read that as Fergie getting in early with staking his claim for 6 points from us next season, he'll be bigging up Bruce for a job as well, a 12 point headstart on Man City will be important next year.

Fully agree with this.

Ferguson knows what he's doing. Poison the 'somewhat competitive' clubs to make his life easier. He's a horses ass.

Not only that but he now has a direct line into our youth academy and a willing buyer for his surplus/duff players.  If Villa were a dog we would find that we have a long tape worm living inside us with a face just like Fergie's. (Apologies if you're having a bit of tea whilst contemplating the image!). 

Randy Lerner: how naive are you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 06:24:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
I'm dreading next season if he's still here.

Same for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
Going over old ground from essentially every week. But just leave Alex, please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank black on April 15, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
I haven't been down villa park since the first half dozen games this season. I get the impression that there's a lot of apathy amongst the fans.

Isn't it time to turn up the vitriol, give it to him big time. I know he seems like a nice bloke, but enoughs enough surely. A sound beating by Sunderland should be the straw to break the camels back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
One of the most depressing thing about this bloke is he never looks particularly bothered by losing, and always looks pleased with a point.

Have you ever seen a more stoney faced, poe faced man, if you told him there was a nuclear missile launched from North Korea about to hit his head in the next 30 mins you would not get one gesture out the man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 15, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
One of the most depressing thing about this bloke is he never looks particularly bothered by losing, and always looks pleased with a point.

Have you ever seen a more stoney faced, poe faced man, if you told him there was a nuclear missile launched from North Korea about to hit his head in the next 30 mins you would not get one gesture out the man.

Let's be realistic..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank black on April 15, 2012, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 06:06:48 PM
One of the most depressing thing about this bloke is he never looks particularly bothered by losing, and always looks pleased with a point.

Have you ever seen a more stoney faced, poe faced man, if you told him there was a nuclear missile launched from North Korea about to hit his head in the next 30 mins you would not get one gesture out the man.

He probably designed that rocket!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2012, 07:13:01 PM
The site stopped working for a bit, and I was praying that it had gone into meltdown because Mcleish had been sacked. Sadly not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villaIoW on April 15, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
Guys rather than going round in circles all agreeing on how shit Eck is,  we need to start coming up with ways we can help get rid of him. Lerner has to take alot of blame for all this but we can't do anything to get rid of him so we have unite to force action. I don't know how , that's one for the ideas people but we have to do something. Our football team has become a laughing stock and it hurts seeing this happen to our club!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 15, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 15, 2012, 07:13:01 PM
The site stopped working for a bit, and I was praying that it had gone into meltdown because Mcleish had been sacked. Sadly not.
No , it was just the high level of guests(Blues fans) pissing themselves at us
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on April 15, 2012, 07:51:19 PM
I don't think we'll go down (just about) but there's no doubt that this season has been utter bollocks and McLeish needs to shoulder a large part of the blame for it. I don't have any confidence in him at all and can't see the point in persisting with him.

I didn't expect us to beat Man U but we're not scoring many goals, I've lost count of the number of times that the opposition have scored from set pieces against us, our passing and movement are generally abysmal and I genuinely can't remember the last time we actually played well. He can point to injuries but we were mainly rubbish at the start of the season when he had a full squad to choose from and he still managed to bugger up several easy games, which we're paying for now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: levico on April 15, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
It's futile raging about this. Randy is obviously either oblivious to what's going on or he's decided that he can't lose face. We go from bad to worse and relegation this season is very much on the cards. When that happens expect Randy to give AM at least one season to get us back up (which of course he won't). This nightmare will continue at least until May 2013 IMO.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
Randy knows he's dropped a huge Ginger bollock but simply won't admit it and take action.  The end result could well be relegation this season, and all because our top man isn't man enough to hold his hands up.  Shame.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 15, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
Fuck Mcleish of down the road at the first chance we get once the season is finished and get somebody who knows what they are doing.For fucksake this season has been so fuckin awful its shameful.what the hell is our great club turning into?A fucking laughing stock thats what.Fuckin pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tarzansbrother on April 15, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
Randy knows he's dropped a huge Ginger bollock but simply won't admit it and take action.  The end result could well be relegation this season, and all because our top man isn't man enough to hold his hands up.  Shame.

Does he? Where is our clueless chairman anyway?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanois on April 15, 2012, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: villaIoW on April 15, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
Guys rather than going round in circles all agreeing on how shit Eck is,  we need to start coming up with ways we can help get rid of him. Lerner has to take alot of blame for all this but we can't do anything to get rid of him so we have unite to force action. I don't know how , that's one for the ideas people but we have to do something. Our football team has become a laughing stock and it hurts seeing this happen to our club!
The only way to make RL sit up and listen is money, attendances are going to rapidly decline as long as Mcfool stays. When season ticket sales hit an alarming low, he may take action (eventually). He is after all a self proclaimed custodian of the club and allegedly has the best interests of the club at heart
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 15, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
We have 3 world cups to play.The man is a ******.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
A long, uninterrupted chant of "we don't want McLeish"  all game, every game from now to the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on April 15, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
Randy knows he's dropped a huge Ginger bollock but simply won't admit it and take action.  The end result could well be relegation this season, and all because our top man isn't man enough to hold his hands up.  Shame.

Does he? Where is our clueless chairman anyway?

As has just been mentioned on the post match thread, Doug's at practically every game.  Shame Randy can't show the same passion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanois on April 15, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
how to prtotest without harming the team/ club ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
Quote from: tarzansbrother on April 15, 2012, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
Randy knows he's dropped a huge Ginger bollock but simply won't admit it and take action.  The end result could well be relegation this season, and all because our top man isn't man enough to hold his hands up.  Shame.

Does he? Where is our clueless chairman anyway?

As has just been mentioned on the post match thread, Doug's at practically every game.  Shame Randy can't show the same passion.

I think it representative of the whole atmosphere of the club, nobody gives a crap, certainly Randy doesn't, its feeding through the players and probably everybody, its like a very contagious virus.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: villanois on April 15, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
how to prtotest without harming the team/ club ?

How could you do more damage than Lerner and McLeish have caused between them, the pair of ******?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 15, 2012, 08:31:13 PM
Quote from: villanois on April 15, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
how to prtotest without harming the team/ club ?

How could you do more damage than Lerner and McLeish have caused between them, the pair of c***s?

They are a complete pile of shit.
At best fucking imbeciles and at worst clueless c.unts.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
White hanky's at the games?  Othe than that, non-stop chanting.  Some of the players deserve the stick too.  The fans have eased up on McLeish because he's playing kids, it's not their fault but, unless we get McLeish out, he'll ruin the kids too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM
I think there would be an excellent way of protesting, its subtle but its clear, rather than banners and anthems and protest displays outside the ground somebody somewhere organizes a complete blanket covering "Stay Away" protest.

To make it work it would have to be resolute and thorough, it would have to be at an Home game obviously, I would suggest the Sunderland game with the significance of MON being there, it makes for a very clear message to the present manager whilst he sits in front of the previous manager, it gives a very clear message to the board both physically and financially.

Its none violent or aggressive and yet its been proven that total silent protests in whatever form work.

I know people will say back the team but we have come to the point where something needs to be done and this is a very intelligent way of doing it, the problem is it would have to to be total and complete and that would take some organizing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:41:18 PM
Whenever i'm able to muster a bit of optimism, usually from the teams below us losing, it all comes crashing down when we play a football match.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I'd rather we waited until we had the 3 points we need before doing anything protest wise.  Until then, we need to get behind the team (if not the manager).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: frank black on April 15, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
I haven't been down villa park since the first half dozen games this season. I get the impression that there's a lot of apathy amongst the fans.

Isn't it time to turn up the vitriol, give it to him big time. I know he seems like a nice bloke, but enoughs enough surely. A sound beating by Sunderland should be the straw
to break the camels back.
Turn up the vitriol if you wish but you will have to go to the game for anyone to take any notice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 08:42:35 PM
The fans need to chant, from minute 1 to minute 90 against him. It has gone too far, and the club are in a mess due to the worst managerial appointment in history. Other clubs have sacked people inside 4 months if not doing the job well. This guy had a full pre season FFS, and made a few signings etc. Our weakness is born from no central midfield, but Eck did nothing to solve that, and we are in free fall now. When did we last win a game?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2012, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 08:42:35 PM
The fans need to chant, from minute 1 to minute 90 against him. It has gone too far, and the club are in a mess due to the worst managerial appointment in history. Other clubs have sacked people inside 4 months if not doing the job well. This guy had a full pre season FFS, and made a few signings etc. Our weakness is born from no central midfield, but Eck did nothing to solve that, and we are in free fall now. When did we last win a game?!

Yes he did he actively ruined it by loaning out Makoun.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:45:00 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I'd rather we waited until we had the 3 points we need before doing anything protest wise.  Until then, we need to get behind the team (if not the manager).

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Any creativity or skill Makoun had, would have been wrung out of him by Mcpieceofshit.

I think Makoun has had a lucky escape.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
I'd rather we waited until we had the 3 points we need before doing anything protest wise.  Until then, we need to get behind the team (if not the manager).

I know what your saying and I mentioned that in my post, for me 3 points from the Bolton game will seal there fate will securing ours.

The point is we have a chairman that is happy to sit across the ocean and pretend we don't exist, if we go into the summer as we are you can bet we will carry on like this at the start of next season, in spite of rumour to the contrary, if that's the case we will get relegated next time, so for me pick on game but make it work, complete stay away, a unified show of complete and utter disgust by the entire fan base of the club. its not demonstrative its not emotional its calm and considered and Randy Lerner will soon get the hint when he realises this is going to hit him in the pocket big time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 08:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Any creativity or skill Makoun had, would have been wrung out of him by Mcpieceofshit.

I think Makoun has had a lucky escape.

God yes. A year in Greece, playing in a decent side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 15, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
I never understood why it was supposed to a good move to replace Makoun with a Spurs reserve who is available to play every thirtieth match or so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Dead man walking?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM


To make it work it would have to be resolute and thorough, it would have to be at an Home game obviously, I would suggest the Sunderland game with the significance of MON being there, it makes for a very clear message to the present manager whilst he
sits in front of the previous manager

Is Houllier going to be there?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 15, 2012, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Any creativity or skill Makoun had, would have been wrung out of him by Mcpieceofshit.

I think Makoun has had a lucky escape.

He'd only been subbed for Emile week in week out. When McCleish made that snap decision to let him go,i knew we were fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Dead man walking?

No.

And that is the saddest thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 15, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM


To make it work it would have to be resolute and thorough, it would have to be at an Home game obviously, I would suggest the Sunderland game with the significance of MON being there, it makes for a very clear message to the present manager whilst he
sits in front of the previous manager

Is Houllier going to be there?

I wish he was in our dug out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Dead man walking?

All depends what Randy thinks. I think so, you think so and probably the majority of people in football do, but it's all up to Randy.

Hold me, i'm scared.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM


To make it work it would have to be resolute and thorough, it would have to be at an Home game obviously, I would suggest the Sunderland game with the significance of MON being there, it makes for a very clear message to the present manager whilst he
sits in front of the previous manager

Is Houllier going to be there?

A previous manager then, imagine a home game at Villa park with nothing but empty seats, I'll bet Randy Lerner would be on the next plane over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:50:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Dead man walking?

All depends what Randy thinks. I think so, you think so and probably the majority of people in football do, but it's all up to Randy.

But as Lerner has proved to be a vacant, sit on his hands cretin, I don't expect to see any action any time soon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 15, 2012, 08:50:05 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 15, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:38:13 PM

To make it work it would have to be resolute and thorough, it would have to be at an Home game obviously, I would suggest the Sunderland game with the significance of MON being there, it makes for a very clear message to the present manager whilst he
sits in front of the previous manager

Is Houllier going to be there?


I wish he was in our dug out.
Makes a change from Lerner Out. Doug out is so last year (or thereabouts).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Do you think he's given up? He's conspicuous by his absence at the very least.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 15, 2012, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Do you think he's given up? He's conspicuous by his absence at the very least.
Seems to have totally lost interest.
Like it or not, a Premiership club needs continual investment.
An expensive ongoing business, but he should have realised that when he took over the club.
You can't just have a couple of years of austerity or you go backwards at a rate of knots.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
He's been doing te same thing with The Browns for years. I can't see any let up of this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 15, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
Randy's going to have to move a bit sharpish after the Norwich game if he wants to prove to the players and fans that this is not what the club is about.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on April 15, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
White hanky's at the games?  Othe than that, non-stop chanting.  Some of the players deserve the stick too.  The fans have eased up on McLeish because he's playing kids, it's not their fault but, unless we get McLeish out, he'll ruin the kids too.
White hankies or flags sounds a good idea. The impact in the media should get home. Just need to make sure everyone understands it is aimed at McFuckwit and not the young kids.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Blue hankies will look better, the empty seats will make it look like more of them are being waved.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 15, 2012, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Do you think he's given up? He's conspicuous by his absence at the very least.

I think there is a chance that Randy Lerner is in over his head, I think he realizes that life in a Premiership club is all about money, he is by nature a banker, so therefore he's is a short term thinker, he will set out his expenditure and expect to see results at the end of that after that like most bankers they lose interest overnight and go on to the next big thing.

I think he realises that the only way Villa can survive let alone get success he needs to be spending a lot of money, I don't think he wants to do that anymore and all the signs support that, the appointment of McLeish the fact we hardly ever see him, no real investment, McLeish now sourcing freebie's for next season, you don't have to have a mssive amount of imagination to see where we are going in all this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: SX150 on April 15, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
White hanky's at the games?  Othe than that, non-stop chanting.  Some of the players deserve the stick too.  The fans have eased up on McLeish because he's playing kids, it's not their fault but, unless we get McLeish out, he'll ruin the kids too.
White hankies or flags sounds a good idea. The impact in the media should get home. Just need to make sure everyone understands it is aimed at McFuckwit and not the young kids.

He had the opportunity to protect some of those kids today.  He left Heskey, Charlie and Cuellar on the bench.  Such a tough game too.  He's hiding behind the kids. White Hanky's and flags, yes please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 15, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
Do you think he's given up? He's conspicuous by his absence at the very least.
Wonder if he's had the phone call from Donna.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: SX150 on April 15, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
White hanky's at the games?  Othe than that, non-stop chanting.  Some of the players deserve the stick too.  The fans have eased up on McLeish because he's playing kids, it's not their fault but, unless we get McLeish out, he'll ruin the kids too.
White hankies or flags sounds a good idea. The impact in the media should get home. Just need to make sure everyone understands it is aimed at McFuckwit and not the young kids.

He had the opportunity to protect some of those kids today.  He left Heskey, Charlie and Cuellar on the bench.  Such a tough game too.  He's hiding behind the kids. White Hanky's and flags, yes please.

He would have been slaughtered for playing Heskey instead of Weimann today.
I also don't think Zog or Carlos were fit enough to play the whole game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 15, 2012, 09:02:06 PM
Brian McDermott anyone? He won't really get any further with Reading, other than straight back down if they come up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Blue hankies will look better, the empty seats will make it look like more of them are being waved.

Royal blue hankies would get the point across!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
Quote from: SX150 on April 15, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 15, 2012, 08:37:00 PM
White hanky's at the games?  Othe than that, non-stop chanting.  Some of the players deserve the stick too.  The fans have eased up on McLeish because he's playing kids, it's not their fault but, unless we get McLeish out, he'll ruin the kids too.
White hankies or flags sounds a good idea. The impact in the media should get home. Just need to make sure everyone understands it is aimed at McFuckwit and not the young kids.

He had the opportunity to protect some of those kids today.  He left Heskey, Charlie and Cuellar on the bench.  Such a tough game too.  He's hiding behind the kids. White Hanky's and flags, yes please.

He would have been slaughtered for playing Heskey instead of Weimann today.
I also don't think Zog or Carlos were fit enough to play the whole game.

It really doesn't matter now mate does it?  But I think he could have given Carlos and Charlie an hour each to get match fit, after all, we were never going to win and could have used the game as match fitness for those two.  But to use the "we lack resources, and HAD to play kids for the theatre of dreams" trip is a load of old shit.  I think I could have forgiven him for protecting Wiemann, Baker and Gardner today for the old guards.  Arguable both ways I suppose but I think he fed the kids to the lions rather than being able to say "what a great experience" In my opinion of course.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2012, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Blue hankies will look better, the empty seats will make it look like more of them are being waved.

Royal blue hankies would get the point across!

Royal Blue hanky's would have the press telling us it's because of who he formerlly managed.  White hanky's, or claret and blue hanky's it has to be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 15, 2012, 09:09:10 PM
Brown hankies would tell him he's shite
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on April 15, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
White, it has to be.

He waves the white flag before every game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
They were both on the bench last week though, unlike Clark who came straight in. Bannan could have played more centrally and Gardner left out, he needs protecting at the moment. NZogbia would have given us width and an attacking wide threat at least. Weimann should have been central with Gabby wide for me too, and Cuellar if fit for the bench should have started not Baker. Heskey I will accept, is not as good in his current left wing guise as NZogbia, although he didn't start anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Left Side on April 15, 2012, 09:16:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on April 15, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
White, it has to be.

He waves the white flag before every game.

This
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 15, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
It dosent matter who he picks, he sets us up to defend the last 3rd of the pitch. That is his only tactic
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 15, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?


He really is the reincarnate of DOL.  I've never heard a Manager use the terms 'Theatre of Dreams' before and I hope I never do again.   

If he has a future at VP then we have no future in the PL.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 09:29:36 PM
He has laid blame at the door of Baker on the OS for the second goal. When Collins, Hutton and Given were all beaten too, seems very harsh to single out Baker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 15, 2012, 09:33:18 PM
Baker was the player most at fault, whether it was wise to say so publicly is questionable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 09:39:10 PM
No, I agree, although the two senior players in front of him withdrew from it, and he took their lead I think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 15, 2012, 09:41:47 PM
I thought Baker played quite well today. Nice of him to single out a young player though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 15, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?


He really is the reincarnate of DOL.  I've never heard a Manager use the terms 'Theatre of Dreams' before and I hope I never do again.   

If he has a future at VP then we have no future in the PL.

Haha. That's a good one. For a moment there i thought that was a genuine quote! You were joking right?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Unfortunately not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 09:47:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Unfortunately not.

Oh dear. Truth is stranger than fiction. That is truly appalling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Apyadg on April 15, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 15, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?


He really is the reincarnate of DOL.  I've never heard a Manager use the terms 'Theatre of Dreams' before and I hope I never do again.   

If he has a future at VP then we have no future in the PL.

Haha. That's a good one. For a moment there i thought that was a genuine quote! You were joking right?

Afraid he wasn't (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2736541,00.html).

I'm surprised Randy wasn't there today, I thought he'd like to get a group photo taken of him, Feckin' Eck and Sir Alex. Maybe Fergie would give the pair of them autographs afterwards, and a match ball signed by The Champions.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2012, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 15, 2012, 09:33:18 PM
Baker was the player most at fault, whether it was wise to say so publicly is questionable.

Do you think?  If he’d have gone for it, the likelihood is it would have been an own goal, whereas Collins was in front of the near post so any decent contact = a corner.  He may have had a shout from Given though.  Who knows.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 15, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Colhint on April 15, 2012, 10:21:45 PM
The thing is I do not know what on earth goes on in training. We just don't seem to be getting better in any area. I definitely don't want us to go down, but part of me wants Wigan and one other overtake us. Just so we survive, maybe then Randy will get the message. But I dont think he will
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 15, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 09:39:10 PM
No, I agree, although the two senior players in front of him withdrew from it, and he took their lead I think.

I saw it as the cross evading Hutton and Collins but Baker seemed to purposely leave it, perhaps he didn't see the guy behind him or was concerned about an OG.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank black on April 15, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Dixon just said mcleish is doing a good job. That's reassured me I'm off to sleep well tonight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 15, 2012, 10:33:58 PM
Serious thought... Do you think McLeish is actually trying to get himself the sack? Surely he knows he's making a right pigs ear of the job and he'll know how the comments went down last year when Houllier had his Liverpool love in, he'll get nothing for walking out on his £2m a year contract but if he's sacked he'll get a pay off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: frank black on April 15, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Dixon just said mcleish is doing a good job. That's reassured me I'm of to sleep well tonight.

That's why I've watched MOTD about three times this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 10:43:59 PM
The lack of realism pundits have with fans is incredible, and they go out of their way to protect each other. I would love to know what he thinks Eck is doing a good job at!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Any creativity or skill Makoun had, would have been wrung out of him by Mcpieceofshit.

I think Makoun has had a lucky escape.

In more positive moments I try to think ahead to next season, and what a decent manager might get out of a midfield containing the likes of Delph, Bannan, Albrighton, Clark, Ireland, Gardner, N'Zog and Makoun.   We could probably do with a genuine CM, true.  Particularly with Stan's illness.  But there is already plenty to work with there.

However, when I think of McLeish still being here -as looks likely- that positivity plummets at a rate of knotts.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 10:53:56 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 15, 2012, 10:33:58 PM
Serious thought... Do you think McLeish is actually trying to get himself the sack? Surely he knows he's making a right pigs ear of the job and he'll know how the comments went down last year when Houllier had his Liverpool love in, he'll get nothing for walking out on his £2m a year contract but if he's sacked he'll get a pay off.

I did wonder that after the Arsenal game.

He knows how much stick he'd have taken for starting with Heskey.   Maybe he knows it's doomed to failure here and just wants the hammer to come down as soon as possible. With a big pay off in his skyrocket, naturally.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 15, 2012, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 15, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?


He really is the reincarnate of DOL.  I've never heard a Manager use the terms 'Theatre of Dreams' before and I hope I never do again.   

If he has a future at VP then we have no future in the PL.

Haha. That's a good one. For a moment there i thought that was a genuine quote! You were joking right?

He did stop short of calling him Scholsey....he does have SOME respect.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: frank black on April 15, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Dixon just said mcleish is doing a good job. That's reassured me I'm of to sleep well tonight.

That's why I've watched MOTD about three times this season.

We really are a long suffering group of supporters. Up steps Dixon to add insult to injury.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on April 15, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
I sincerely hope that the future of Alex McCleish sees him bringing his next club to Villa Park for an absolute tonking, because I would relish any fixture with a club managed by this absolute disaster of a man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 15, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 15, 2012, 09:24:49 PM
"The young lions have come to the Theatre of Dreams, the champions, a world-class club side playing against people like Scholes thinking can we get close to them, can we stop them playing?

Did he really say that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 15, 2012, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 15, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Unfortunately not.

:( We're there to make up the numbers then. Cannon fodder for the richer clubs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 15, 2012, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 15, 2012, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2012, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: frank black on April 15, 2012, 10:29:56 PM
Dixon just said mcleish is doing a good job. That's reassured me I'm of to sleep well tonight.

That's why I've watched MOTD about three times this season.

We really are a long suffering group of supporters. Up steps Dixon to add insult to injury.

Just to humour me, what arguments did Dixon use to back up this assertion?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 15, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
I felt sick when he was appointed and the feeling has only gotten worse. I simply cannot wait till he's gone, it'll be a moment of pure joy when I read it on Twitter.*

* Invariably this is how 'big' news reaches me these days.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AV82EC on April 16, 2012, 12:05:24 AM
It feels to me like banner time.

We're not fickle, we think you're boring.

We're not fickle, we're mind numbingly bored to tears.

Suck the life out of someone else's club.

Randy.....Randy.......where are you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 12:54:33 AM
Quote from: villaIoW on April 15, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
Guys rather than going round in circles all agreeing on how shit Eck is,  we need to start coming up with ways we can help get rid of him. Lerner has to take alot of blame for all this but we can't do anything to get rid of him so we have unite to force action. I don't know how , that's one for the ideas people but we have to do something. Our football team has become a laughing stock and it hurts seeing this happen to our club!

The best way is to simply not go, not renew your season tickets, then Lerner and Co. will take note, but judging at the speed some on here have been renewing season tickets with at least one section of the ground sold out already, that seems to be a bit of a long shot! Their choice of course, not questioning them, but if people are happy parting with their money to watch what's on offer why will Lerner care?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 01:02:56 AM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 12:54:33 AM

The best way is to simply not go, not renew your season tickets, then Lerner and Co. will take note, but judging at the speed some on here have been renewing season tickets with at least one section of the ground sold out already, that seems to be a bit of a long shot! Their choice of course, not questioning them, but if people are happy parting with their money to watch what's on offer why will Lerner care?

Some people are just fans though. They know it's awful but that's not the point.
Why do people go to watch teams like Portsmouth or Bradford or Plymouth or Luton or Darlington? They have all had times much worse than us recently and in some cases it's still going downhill, but they turn up, they watch and they support because they are fans.
I sometimes think we have been a bit spoiled by our continuous membership of the Premier League since football began, as soon as it looks like it's going a bit pear-shaped we all start looking for the cyanide pills!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 15, 2012, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 15, 2012, 08:45:30 PM
Any creativity or skill Makoun had, would have been wrung out of him by Mcpieceofshit.

I think Makoun has had a lucky escape.

In more positive moments I try to think ahead to next season, and what a decent manager might get out of a midfield containing the likes of Delph, Bannan, Albrighton, Clark, Ireland, Gardner, N'Zog and Makoun.   We could probably do with a genuine CM, true.  Particularly with Stan's illness.  But there is already plenty to work with there.

However, when I think of McLeish still being here -as looks likely- that positivity plummets at a rate of knotts.

Don't share your enthusiasm about our midfield options I'm afraid.  The midfield has been a real weakness this season and is the part of the team that needs the most additions in my opinion.  Although he wasn't the greatest player to ever wear the Claret and Blue, I think not offering Reo-Coker another deal last summer was a mistake.  I thought he was one of our best players last season and we have missed his tenacity i the midfield this season.  I think Makoun and Ireland will move on in the summer (Ireland's showed what he can do in patches this season, but is he worth the reported £80,000 a week he is being paid?) which leaves a group of young players who might not even make the grade in the Premiership.   I hope N'Zogbia can come good, but I think we are going to need at least two new central midfielders and one new right midfielder.





Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 16, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
Don't share your enthusiasm about our midfield options I'm afraid.  The midfield has been a real weakness this season and is the part of the team that needs the most additions in my opinion.  Although he wasn't the greatest player to ever wear the Claret and Blue, I think not offering Reo-Coker another deal last summer was a mistake.  I thought he was one of our best players last season and we have missed his tenacity i the midfield this season.  I think Makoun and Ireland will move on in the summer (Ireland's showed what he can do in patches this season, but is he worth the reported £80,000 a week he is being paid?) which leaves a group of young players who might not even make the grade in the Premiership.   I hope N'Zogbia can come good, but I think we are going to need at least two new central midfielders and one new right midfielder.

I would say that the problem in our midfield this season comes down to Alex McLeish. He has completely drilled any movement our players have out of them. Watching the game today, players like Gardner would pick the ball up in midfield, have about three midfielders around him who are man-marked and because they're static, he just hoofs it up towards poor Gabby. It's also why more often than not we see Bannan on the wing, he cuts inside, looks completely lost, then either hit it 40 yards forward or get tackled while he's looking around for someone to pass to.

The thing that impressed me about Makoun was that he was always available to players. Whenever our midfielders or centre-backs didn't have any options open, they would ship it to Makoun and he would take one or two touches to send it to an open man. He had that bit of movement that makes himself available, that clearly none of our midfielders have at the moment.

I wouldn't say that Reo-Coker is too much of a loss this season, Herd and to a lesser extent Clark has fulfilled that role well. I would be loathe to buy more central midfielders, we have a lot at the club and we might as well play them ahead of cloggers like Jenas. Get in a new manager that actually can coach a bit of 8 year old football of pass and move and our midfield will be much more capable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 15, 2012, 10:43:59 PM
The lack of realism pundits have with fans is incredible, and they go out of their way to protect each other. I would love to know what he thinks Eck is doing a good job at!

I also think it is also one of the perils of appointing ex-players as pundits and journalists.  They’re too close to the professionals and do not want to upset old mates etc.  For every "piece of behind scenes” insight (the secret footballer being a good example) there must be 100 occasions where their lack of journalistic nous has meant they have not asked the correct probing question, failed to do their research or not analysed the game properly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 03:54:23 AM
Are our midfield options much worse than Swansea, Norwich, Everton, Fulham and so forth? 

I don't think so, yet we have consistently looked 2nd best in that dept for a fair chunk of our games this season. Regardless of the opposition.  Less possession than Stoke at home this season tells it's own story. How many sides have that particular privilege? 

I will concede that some of our lot might not make it, or might not hit the heights we hoped/expected.   Delph and Bannan immediately spring to mind there.   But I'd prefer it if we've exhausted every avenue testing that theory, and that it's actually a good manager who decides they're not up to it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 07:01:16 AM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 16, 2012, 01:02:56 AM
Quote from: James on April 16, 2012, 12:54:33 AM

The best way is to simply not go, not renew your season tickets, then Lerner and Co. will take note, but judging at the speed some on here have been renewing season tickets with at least one section of the ground sold out already, that seems to be a bit of a long shot! Their choice of course, not questioning them, but if people are happy parting with their money to watch what's on offer why will Lerner care?

Some people are just fans though. They know it's awful but that's not the point.
Why do people go to watch teams like Portsmouth or Bradford or Plymouth or Luton or Darlington? They have all had times much worse than us recently and in some cases it's still going downhill, but they turn up, they watch and they support because they are fans.
I sometimes think we have been a bit spoiled by our continuous membership of the Premier League since football began, as soon as it looks like it's going a bit pear-shaped we all start looking for the cyanide pills!
As i've said before, people shell out their hard earned money to watch the games and it's not cheap (as you so often used to point out on The General's thread). If I was getting comps from the club, I might feel differently.
People have every right to complain when they're being served up the dross that we've had this season.

I'm sure the supporters of those teams you mention above like to have a good old piss and moan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: midnite on April 16, 2012, 07:10:47 AM
The thing that struck me the most about yesterday was after the first goal, their heads went. After 6 mins we looked lost. By te second goal our players were completely gone. Shoulders were slumped and they all looked like they wanted the final whistle to blow there and then. By knew what was coming like rabbit in headlights.

McLeish has nothing up his sleeve to get these guys motivated. He tired to look good for the cameras with lots of pointing and gesturing from the dug out but it never works as the players seem to look at him confused and the pointing never changes from the first to the last minute of the game. Of every single game this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 16, 2012, 08:17:34 AM
Qpr last week a man down held onto the ball a lot better than we did yesterday ,there is a lack of composure throughout the team.You could put it down to a young team but its more McLeish tatics.
Curtis Davies said under Houghton blues play less direct ..its his tatics killing us
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2012, 08:21:35 AM
Hughton. HUGHTON.

His name is HUGHTON

Thanks for listening.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WA Villan on April 16, 2012, 08:41:39 AM
Good manager that Houghton. smiley
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 16, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 03:54:23 AM
Are our midfield options much worse than Swansea, Norwich, Everton, Fulham and so forth? 

I don't think so, yet we have consistently looked 2nd best in that dept for a fair chunk of our games this season. Regardless of the opposition.  Less possession than Stoke at home this season tells it's own story. How many sides have that particular privilege? 

I will concede that some of our lot might not make it, or might not hit the heights we hoped/expected.   Delph and Bannan immediately spring to mind there.   But I'd prefer it if we've exhausted every avenue testing that theory, and that it's actually a good manager who decides they're not up to it.

That's the knub of it. We have a better team / squad than our position suggests, yet here we are - not safe with a few games to go. No way should we be talking about where we can pick up points to make us safe. We should be talking about securing a Europa spot but McCheesyhelmet has got us where we are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 16, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
For once I'd like to have seen Savage on as he slated him yesterday on 5 live
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 16, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
 I've just reread this article and thought I'd put it here,as it does give me a little hope that he might be fucked off at the end of the season As we are miles awy from what is stated here
Europe still the target, says Aston Villa chief executive

Chief executive Paul Faulkner insists Aston Villa are on course to qualify for Europe this season.

Alex McLeish's side sit eighth in the Premier League, seven points off Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal after winning one of their last five games.

"It's not easy but I believe it's do-able this year," Faulkner told the Birmingham Mail  . "We've got a lot of ambition.




"Being in Europe is important psychologically for Villa."

The West Midlands club won the European Cup in 1982 but this season is the first in four years they have not competed in the Uefa Cup or Europa League.

Unless a club who finish in the top four of the Premier League win the FA Cup or League Cup, only the fifth-placed side in the top-flight qualify for the Europa League.

And Faulkner added: "Europe sits there as a goal and this year that would be our goal. That's what we want to try to achieve.

"The Premier League is very tough but Aston Villa is a great club and we should be up there challenging at the top of the league. We should be there pushing for Europe.

"That's got to be the goal and that should always be the goal for a club like Villa.

"I really do think that, if we can put a good run together, that we've got a good chance"

Faulkner insists Villa's American owner, Randy Lerner, is keen to reach the top four and qualify for the Champions League.

The only English clubs to win the European Cup are Villa, Manchester United, Liverpool and Nottingham Forest.

And Faulkner added: "We're still one of only four English clubs to win the European Cup. We want to be experiencing those European nights.

"I know I want that back. I know Randy Lerner wants that back.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Im hoping that the day we are officially safe in the PL that PF and RL decide to part coming with McClueless!  really hope this happens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 16, 2012, 10:00:26 AM
Zogg - that article really bols my piss. If our f ing CEO is saying that only a few months back and that's our boards aims this year then how the hell is the ginger one still in a job!?
I'm going to copy the above and email Paul Faulkner and see if he can answer/respond/follow on from that

Jesus wept
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 10:03:34 AM
I keep hearing that people are e-mailing Paul Faulkner but does he actually reply? Has anyone received any communication from him in relation to their e-mails?

I cant seem him acting on any email he receives.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 16, 2012, 10:06:08 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 16, 2012, 10:00:26 AM
Zogg - that article really bols my piss. If our f ing CEO is saying that only a few months back and that's our boards aims this year then how the hell is the ginger one still in a job!?
I'm going to copy the above and email Paul Faulkner and see if he can answer/respond/follow on from that

Jesus wept
Not long ago there wasn't many points between 15th and 7th so matbe they still thought it was doable if we put a good run together. It's too late to sack him now but it has given me alittle hope that he may be gone at the end of the season.Fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 07:01:16 AM

As i've said before, people shell out their hard earned money to watch the games and it's not cheap (as you so often used to point out on The General's thread). If I was getting comps from the club, I might feel differently.
People have every right to complain when they're being served up the dross that we've had this season.

I'm sure the supporters of those teams you mention above like to have a good old piss and moan.

I'm sure they do, but that isn't the point I'm making.
I was responding to the poster who basically said that he didn't understand why people are still forking out the cash to watch us. And I said it's because they are fans of the club. I thought you would understand Fletch, after all, as you say, it's costing you a small fortune but you are there every game and will no doubt, circumstances allowing, be there next season too. There must be a reason why you keep on doing it to yourself!

 By the way, that's the second time you have replied to one of my posts and mentioned complimentary tickets, are you suggesting I'm freeloading or something? Only freebie I've had in a long time was Swansea this season and that was a kind gesture from a ST holder on here, not a comp from the club.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brontebilly on April 16, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Wasnt there a game at the end of DOL's reign at Arsenal where we were a similar gutless shambles and were hammered? DOL spent time at the end joking with Arsenal fans and taking photos. Remember reading an article on the game afterwards that said if AVFC had any respect left they would sack him in the morning.

That's where we are at now again. 6 years later.

It's obvious McLeish knows the game is up for him. He will never manage in the EPL again after this season. If he had any interest in staying he wouldn't be coming out with that shite. If anything he is being clever and trying to force a sacking with a nice wedge heading his way for the privilege
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
The CEO and Randy must be looking at things, and they must be thinking that this has been a disaster, but, it's how they summarise this season that will decide whether McLeish get's another crack of the whip. Do they think they have the right man in charge and this is a season of 'transition' - one of the most overused phrases in modern Football, or do they see some positives in that the younger players are coming through and that we're on target to get the wage bill down, and McLeish is the man to do this still?

However they view it, and whatever their real (and probably not made public) expectations for this season they must be feeling underwhelmed and disappointed. They couldn't have predicted things going this wrong, or will they have their judgement blinded by the fact we've had issues with senior players being injured? or, was they planning on this year being 'transitional' - even if they did, it's a major waste of a year. Whatever their expectations, they obviously have more faith in McLeish than the majority, but is that enough faith to put £20million quid in his hand this summer, if not, then they must bite the bullet and replace him, before it goes from bad to worse next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 10:43:21 AM
I think the fact that there won't be £20m to spend is the main reason they'll keep him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2012, 10:44:34 AM
But there needs to be at least that, if they cannot see that then I'll be seriously worried. Anyway, would I trust McLeish with that money anyway? catch 22.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 16, 2012, 10:21:49 AM


It's obvious McLeish knows the game is up for him. He will never manage in the EPL again after this season. If he had any interest in staying he wouldn't be coming out with that shite. If anything he is being clever and trying to force a sacking with a nice wedge heading his way for the privilege

I am not normally a conspiracy theorist, but it is certainly starting to feel that this is his intention.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 10:48:14 AM
My main concerns for next season are that 1) McTwat will still be here and 2) We (the club) will only be replacing the players that would have left which will still leave us with a wafer thin squad.
its the same story every season.  how many times have we heard the term  / phrase that villa have a small squad?  its getting boring now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
Hoenst bunch of lads.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 16, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
Hoenst bunch of lads.

How could I forget that one???
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villaIoW on April 16, 2012, 10:54:33 AM
That's the problem though. He will highlight to lerner all his things he is hiding behind. The board will then point to
- he has had injuries to key players
- he has been unlucky with ref decisions
-its not his fault we lost Downing and young
-he has let us, helped us get wages down
-he has played youth players
- he has been unlucky

They are completely blind and can not see it from our perspective hell lerner doesn't have to watch it . We are stuck with him and that is tragic
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on April 16, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
Get rid of this apology for a manager now. I do not need the remaining games of this season to make my judgement.

No hope, no future.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on April 16, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on April 16, 2012, 11:09:15 AM
Get rid of this apology for a manager now. I do not need the remaining games of this season to make my judgement.

No hope, no future.

Well said!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 16, 2012, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 16, 2012, 07:01:16 AM

As i've said before, people shell out their hard earned money to watch the games and it's not cheap (as you so often used to point out on The General's thread). If I was getting comps from the club, I might feel differently.
People have every right to complain when they're being served up the dross that we've had this season.

I'm sure the supporters of those teams you mention above like to have a good old piss and moan.

I'm sure they do, but that isn't the point I'm making.
I was responding to the poster who basically said that he didn't understand why people are still forking out the cash to watch us. And I said it's because they are fans of the club. I thought you would understand Fletch, after all, as you say, it's costing you a small fortune but you are there every game and will no doubt, circumstances allowing, be there next season too. There must be a reason why you keep on doing it to yourself!

 By the way, that's the second time you have replied to one of my posts and mentioned complimentary tickets, are you suggesting I'm freeloading or something? Only freebie I've had in a long time was Swansea this season and that was a kind gesture from a ST holder on here, not a comp from the club.
 

I didn't say that i didn't undersatnd why people are still paying to go, I said that the speed at which people are queueing up to throw their money at Randy is a missed opportunity for the one protest that he would listen to ... a shot in the wallet, and I said it in response to another poster who'd asked what people could do to protest.

I also said that those people were free to make up their own minds and that I wasn't criticising them!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 16, 2012, 12:24:20 PM
The man said 'the Theatre of Dreams' yesterday. Forget sacked, he should be put in the stocks for that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Fair enough James, I obviously misread it.
Still, it's because they are fans, football is their hobby and Villa are their passion that they will renew regardless, it's why boycott's won't work and if there is to be a protest it needs to be a damn sight more inventive than either asking people to not go (they won't) or holding up a few bedsheets outside the ground.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 16, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Fair enough James, I obviously misread it.
Still, it's because they are fans, football is their hobby and Villa are their passion that they will renew regardless, it's why boycott's won't work and if there is to be a protest it needs to be a damn sight more inventive than either asking people to not go (they won't) or holding up a few bedsheets outside the ground.

Lot's of people aren't going though.  Not as the result of any sort of organised protest of course, but just because of the sheer arse-clenching shiteness of it all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
That's a given Risso, play crap or keep losing and some fans will stop going. Drop a division and lose a load more, it's not rocket science.
 But there's a hardcore who will go anyway. Call them what you want, but they are bloody decent fans in my book. better than I've ever been in any case!

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 16, 2012, 12:45:05 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 16, 2012, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 16, 2012, 10:21:49 AM


It's obvious McLeish knows the game is up for him. He will never manage in the EPL again after this season. If he had any interest in staying he wouldn't be coming out with that shite. If anything he is being clever and trying to force a sacking with a nice wedge heading his way for the privilege

I am not normally a conspiracy theorist, but it is certainly starting to feel that this is his intention.

I get the same vibe - I see the OS Ticket section is calling the next 3 games:

"Black Cats game the start of "three cup finals"...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 16, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
That's a given Risso, play crap or keep losing and some fans will stop going. Drop a division and lose a load more, it's not rocket science.
 But there's a hardcore who will go anyway. Call them what you want, but they are bloody decent fans in my book. better than I've ever been in any case!

 

Agreed, but a hardcore of 20,000 fans isn't going o sustain a club like Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 16, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
Terrible yesterday, could see that as soon as we went one down the body language they were beat, the manager plays players out of posistion and they look like they are not playing for him......overall this season has been a disaster and will get worse with McLiesh at the helm
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
Just ben on that webchat thing Matt Kendrick does every monday and by what he was answering, Eck is here to stay if we stay up and he expects to see half a dozen players to leave with half a dozen coming in.  One of his comments were "I can't see massive fresh investment this summer, while Villa are striving to get on a financial even keel "
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2012, 01:11:06 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I still haven't got over my horror when it became apparent we were going to hire him. I was prepared to give him a chance, but I had very low expectations. He has somehow failed to even meet those low expectations and has been an unmitigated disaster. He has to go no if, buts or maybes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 16, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 16, 2012, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 16, 2012, 12:39:05 PM
That's a given Risso, play crap or keep losing and some fans will stop going. Drop a division and lose a load more, it's not rocket science.
 But there's a hardcore who will go anyway. Call them what you want, but they are bloody decent fans in my book. better than I've ever been in any case!

 

Agreed, but a hardcore of 20,000 fans isn't going o sustain a club like Villa.

Well no, which is why we must NOT go down, because if we do then 20-25,000 will be our crowd for a fair few games next season. Unfortunately our fans don't seem to have the "Let's all pull together" passion of, say, Newcastle when they went down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
Just ben on that webchat thing Matt Kendrick does every monday and by what he was answering, Eck is here to stay if we stay up and he expects to see half a dozen players to leave with half a dozen coming in.  One of his comments were "I can't see massive fresh investment this summer, while Villa are striving to get on a financial even keel "



should I come back in two seasons then , when the clown has gone .   I couldnt stand another season of this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 16, 2012, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 16, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
Just ben on that webchat thing Matt Kendrick does every monday and by what he was answering, Eck is here to stay if we stay up and he expects to see half a dozen players to leave with half a dozen coming in.  One of his comments were "I can't see massive fresh investment this summer, while Villa are striving to get on a financial even keel "

And that's what gets me the most - it really is 'back him or sack him' time.

I'm a big believer in momentum if football, and right now we have none.  The whole club needs a lift this summer in order to go into the season with a renewed belief.  To me, that comes from either a new manager of some shiney new toys on the pitch.  With out either of these, we'll start off expecting the worse and with an awful atmosphere, which could lead to disaster.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
I think he’ll get the sack in the summer.

I think Lerner may well have planned for a downward slip in the league, a drop in attendances and something of a backlash, but I don’t believe the magnitude of our collapse was foreseen.

In fairness, I expected us above all else to have shown a real gritty determination in every game. Closing down, kicking lumps out of the opposition and making them sweat blood for every point.

The fact that McLeish hasn’t lived up to that basic of expectation, and you might say stereotype, is all the more disappointing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 16, 2012, 02:16:14 PM
if he stays we are doomed
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on April 16, 2012, 02:16:41 PM
We all new what to expect, we all said get behind him and the team. We have done that and its probably worse than we imagined it could turn out. There is no future for this idiot at Villa Park we need shut of him ASAP. How we do it i am not sure but it has to happen. To think some actually argued how good his credentials were is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite

Take it from me that AM is held in very high esteem in the directors box!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 16, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite

Take it from me that AM is held in very high esteem in the directors box!



we'l see who's right come the start of next season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 16, 2012, 03:58:53 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: john e on April 16, 2012, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite

Take it from me that AM is held in very high esteem in the directors box!


Then our directors are clearly stupid!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2012, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 16, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
I think Lerner may well have planned for a downward slip in the league, a drop in attendances and something of a backlash, but I don’t believe the magnitude of our collapse was foreseen.

It’s the absolute and consistent dourness of the football that has been the nail in the coffin for me.  I couldn’t care where he came from and expected us to be worse from last year, however his fun-less football is what is killing the club. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 06:25:23 PM
Joe Hart on loan?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 16, 2012, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

A solid centre half pairing of Dann and Johnson.
He also had the 'just got promoted and playing above themselves syndrome.'
It all went tits up in the second season.

As Kevin pointed out, Joe Hart on loan.

He saved them a mass of points that season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:33:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League

2009-10 Premier League

9th place
Birmingham City
13 wins
11 draws
14 defeats
38 goals scored
47 goals conceded
-9 goal difference
50 points


Longest unbeaten run - Birmingham City (12 games)

December 2009 Manager of the Month - Alex McLeish

PFA Team of the Year - Joe Hart (Birmingham City)

Quote
By mid-January 2010, he had guided them to a 12-game unbeaten run, a club record in the top division, set a Premier League record by selecting the same starting eleven for nine consecutive games, and been named Premier League Manager of the Month for December 2009, the first Birmingham manager to receive the award. By the end of the season McLeish had led Birmingham to ninth place, their highest finish for more than 50 years.

Come on Alex you can do it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 06:43:27 PM
That 38 goals scored is quite a revealing stat.

Even in a 'good' season, that's pretty dire. 
They pretty much matched that next season - but with a worse defensive record, due to (a)   no longer having Hart between the sticks and (b) Dann's injury.

Goals for has been a big problem for us too this season, so he is at least consistent, in that regard.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 16, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 16, 2012, 06:24:01 PM
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League

My theory is this. Up until the last two seasons he has always done a decent, if dull, job. Even when he managed third place at Rangers it wasn't entirely his fault as he was doing so in a context of a small budget and at a time Hearts were spending big.

Following that ninth place finish, McLeish brought in Peter 'Jonah' Grant as his assistant following the departure of Roy Aitken. Wherever he's been Grant has brought nothing but bad luck and underacheivement to clubs. Here, this is probably exacerbated by McLeish losing his long term sidekick Andy Watson and putting even more trust in Grant. McLeish has had two bad seasons which just so happen to coincide with his working with Grant. Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 16, 2012, 06:58:01 PM
How dare you suggest the irritating and useless Grant isn't up to it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 16, 2012, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 16, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.

So he'd be a cheap replacement for McLeish then?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 07:12:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 16, 2012, 01:48:24 PM
I think he’ll get the sack in the summer.

I think Lerner may well have planned for a downward slip in the league, a drop in attendances and something of a backlash, but I don’t believe the magnitude of our collapse was foreseen.

In fairness, I expected us above all else to have shown a real gritty determination in every game. Closing down, kicking lumps out of the opposition and making them sweat blood for every point.

The fact that McLeish hasn’t lived up to that basic of expectation, and you might say stereotype, is all the more disappointing.


I agree with pretty much all that but the first line.

Randy seems to be far less interested than in previous years, rightly or wrongly,the finances are the most important thing.

I genuinely think that he will see work being done on the financial side and for him, that will mean the last thing he wants is another expensive severance package.

The other thing is that we are clearly going to have a large turnover of players this summer. The squad isnt big enough and we have a lot of players either out of contract or entering the last year.

He will not want that process to stall while we change manager. In fact, has already got McLeish started on that work.

For me, there is no doubt he will be here. I can, however, imagine him being moved on at Christmas if results continue to be poor, as a greater chunk of the squad renovation work will be done by then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 16, 2012, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: achilles on April 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 01:57:01 PM
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).

Have to say form what I've been told and this is from somebody that keeps his ear to the ground and has the attention of people like Barnhurst and others and (so not directly at the top but not to far away) McLeish is way far from secure, hunch was from an x player and X Cap't of Villa, he's gone was his guess.

Another point made and not just by him is that Lerner is not the solid repetitive by nature character we think he is, and in fact he's quite volatile, very deep in thought kind of bloke that could easily turn up one day out the blue and that's it.

I would say that if McLeish survives past the end of the season, we have him nest season, I say that because things will go quiet and calm down, I also predict that next season will be the most volatile period in the clubs history, way more so than under O'Leary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 16, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
I've been thinking. All the drawn games, McLeish's celebration after the Stoke game and gesture to someone in the directors box. Its obvious. We are so skint we are having to save money on win bonuses, hence all the second half pressure we invite if we're winning.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 16, 2012, 07:39:36 PM
Quote from: ez on April 16, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
I've been thinking. All the drawn games, McLeish's celebration after the Stoke game and gesture to someone in the directors box. Its obvious. We are so skint we are having to save money on win bonuses, hence all the second half pressure we invite if we're winning.

 ;)

LOL WOULD EXPLAIN A LOT!

So we are aiming for 17th Spot.. only to be saved by goal difference!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 16, 2012, 07:44:53 PM
 The Future Of Alex Mcleish?Kidderminster Harriers?Bromsgrove Rovers?Hednesford Town maybe?Dont bloody care what the idiots future is as long as it's not at Villa!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on April 16, 2012, 07:48:49 PM
Alex Mcleish will not be our manager next season surely....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2012, 07:52:02 PM
Hopefully he won't, but please stop calling me Shirley.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 16, 2012, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 16, 2012, 07:52:02 PM
Hopefully he won't, but please stop calling me Shirley.
class film that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank black on April 16, 2012, 08:05:55 PM
Quote from: Shrek on April 16, 2012, 07:48:49 PM
Alex Mcleish will not be our manager next season surely....

I remember saying this last summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

He turned us down because Lerner decided to write a nicely written letter to Mr David Whelan and asked him politely if we could chat with his friend Roberto. If we had gone straight to Martinez and offered him a job, he would have definitely taken it. Having Dave Whelan turn his head for 5 days pulling the guilt card kept him there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Whatever happens in the Wigan game. At least Martinez has the balls to send his team out to have a go, unlike our constant pathetic surrenders.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

He turned us down because Lerner decided to write a nicely written letter to Mr David Whelan and asked him politely if we could chat with his friend Roberto. If we had gone straight to Martinez and offered him a job, he would have definitely taken it. Having Dave Whelan turn his head for 5 days pulling the guilt card kept him there.

Not necessarily. He's obvious got a bond with Whelan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:49:17 PM

Not necessarily. He's obvious got a bond with Whelan.

That's massively overstated.  Whelan is a total twunt, who'd sack Martinez without a second thought if it suited him. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2012, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:36:18 PM
Whatever happens in the Wigan game. At least Martinez has the balls to send his team out to have a go, unlike our constant pathetic surrenders.

Sad, but very true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.

I think for a team their size they're punching well above their weight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2012, 08:59:43 PM
What about Wigwam and their application from August?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.

Whilst this is true, it also shows up what a piss poor job McLeish has done to be just 4 points behind them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 16, 2012, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.

hence their position
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 16, 2012, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.

Whilst this is true, it also shows up what a piss poor job McLeish has done to be just 4 points behind them.

Ahead, surely?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nirog72 on April 16, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
I think he will become the person that parents say their children will turn into if they don't eat their greens and try hard at school.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 16, 2012, 09:02:19 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 16, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 16, 2012, 08:22:30 PM
Quote from: N'Zimidy on April 16, 2012, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 16, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
Once again a team below us is showing us how to play.

The man we should have got instead of McDoughnut.

Except he turned us down.

Why on earth dose'nt he get his side playing like this earlier in the season, it's a bit puzzling.

Which is exactly why he would have been unwelcome here. We'd have loved him for the way he's got his team playing now, but been calling for him to go long before.

Of course.

Wigan's application against Man United, and thus far at Arsenal is admirable, but they've been beyond pathetic for most of the season.

Whilst this is true, it also shows up what a piss poor job McLeish has done to be just 4 points behind them.

Ahead, surely?

Yep my mistake, ooops.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2012, 09:48:55 PM
You watching this game Mcleish you idiot? see what happens when a team attacks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2012, 09:57:22 PM
It's a sad state of affairs that Wigan have beaten Man Utd and Arsenal in the space of a week. We couldn't even dream of that with this clown in charge. Under Mcleish we are thoroughly embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 16, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
AML is right though, it appears other clubs really DO have a different agenda to us.  Particularly when it comes to playing insipid surrender football.

Wigan's performances recently aganist 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Man Utd and Arsenal (were he raised the white flag and admitted as much) simply highlights it all the more.  That's 9 points they'll have taken while we'd already pre-accepted zero in the same fixtures.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 16, 2012, 10:00:11 PM
Randy should sack Mcleish on the spot after watching that
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 16, 2012, 10:04:09 PM
I doubt Randy watches our games anymore let alone someone else's.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 16, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
Too true he should be gone. Faulkner must be the worst CEO in the premier league for still being behind Eck.

Re Wigan since August, the amount of times I have listened to the radio and heard the match reports saying Wigan dominated some games and could not finish off the chances they were creating.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 16, 2012, 10:08:25 PM
I felt Martinez was wrong for us in the Summer ... regretting that now 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 16, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
AML is right though, it appears other clubs really DO have a different agenda to us.  Particularly when it comes to playing insipid surrender football.

Wigan's performances recently aganist 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Man Utd and Arsenal (were he raised the white flag and admitted as much) simply highlights it all the more.  That's 9 points they'll have taken while we'd already pre-accepted zero in the same fixtures.

See, for me the definition of competitive sport means a side should always give it a go.  Regardless of the amounts spent by the opposition, their calibre of player or their "different agenda."

But if we use McLeish's logic there to explain away defeats and not trying against better sides, why haven't we got maximum points against the likes of Stoke, Swansea and Wigwam?     We've spent more than them, have a better calibre of player than them ergo our agenda should be different to theirs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 16, 2012, 10:09:50 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 16, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
AML is right though, it appears other clubs really DO have a different agenda to us.  Particularly when it comes to playing insipid surrender football.

Wigan's performances recently aganist 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', Man Utd and Arsenal (were he raised the white flag and admitted as much) simply highlights it all the more.  That's 9 points they'll have taken while we'd already pre-accepted zero in the same fixtures.

See, for me the definition of competitive sport means a side should always give it a go.  Regardless of the amounts spent by the opposition, their calibre of player or their "different agenda."

But if we use McLeish's logic there to explain away defeats and not trying against better sides, why haven't we got maximum points against the likes of Stoke, Swansea and Wigwam?     We've spent more than them, have a better calibre of player than them ergo our agenda should be different to theirs.

Losing matches happens, sometimes it happens a lot, sometimes you deserve it, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you can blame the players for not having a go, for being half arsed, or for being mentally "on the beach" at this time of the season.

What should never be in doubt, though, is the manager's wanting to have a go. We should always be approaching matches with am intention of trying to win.

We've all seen plenty of rubbish seasons for Villa in the past, but I don't think McLeish's main problem is the sheer rubbishness of this season alone, it is that too often you can say he clearly did not have a go at winning games. That's not on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on April 16, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
Clearly Villa are well down on Randy's priority list now otherwise Mc Leish would have been sacked by now.

If we are to unite as a Club he has to go asap. Only pulling together can save us from this mess.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 16, 2012, 10:33:58 PM
I have not been that critical of AM all season, he does not want to be in this position just like the rest if us.
There have been games when we have not deserved to lose and we have had some bad luck with refereeing decisions, players form, mistakes which have been unbelievable and injuries.

That said there has been a lot of strange tactics, substitutions and decision making from him which he has to be accountable for too. Also our form last season from set pieces was very bad and that has got worse. Again you have too question the coaching, which the buck stops with AM.

My real gripe and probably final straw is our throwing in the towel against these so called 'Top Teams' before the ball has been kicked. Well played Wigan tonight and last week. They were incredibly unlucky against Chelsea too. They say you make your own luck and after the way Wigan have gone about things after that poor luck against Chelsea you could say that the saying is true.

After the Norwich game will be time to part company and start again. It has not worked, it might of done though. I didn't think Pardew would do a good job at Newcastle. Look at the mess ABV made at Chelsea, nothing is certain.

Just please keep us up Alex and then it's time to part company and good luck with your next role.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 16, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
How can you be a successful football manager if you have a fucking inferiority complex like Mcleish has.
He should not be in the job on that basis alone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 16, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 16, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
How can you be a successful football manager if you have a fucking inferiority complex like Mcleish has.
He should not be in the job on that basis alone.
Spot on, it's the idiots that employed him that need to look at themselves, but he has to go I just hope we stay up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 16, 2012, 10:33:58 PM


Just please keep us up Alex and then it's time to part company and good luck with your next role.

Who on earth would want him?  A proven failure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 16, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 16, 2012, 10:33:58 PM


Just please keep us up Alex and then it's time to part company and good luck with your next role.

Who on earth would want him?  A proven failure.

walsall
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on April 16, 2012, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 16, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 16, 2012, 10:33:58 PM


Just please keep us up Alex and then it's time to part company and good luck with your next role.

Who on earth would want him?  A proven failure.

The FA? Never did Dave Richards any harm.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 16, 2012, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 16, 2012, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 16, 2012, 10:33:58 PM


Just please keep us up Alex and then it's time to part company and good luck with your next role.

Who on earth would want him?  A proven failure.

Less than 12 months ago Aston Villa wanted him and went to great lengths to get him!
Unbelievable I know, but that's what happened!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Wigan have won more games than us

MCLEISH OUT !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Wigan have won more games than us

MCLEISH OUT !!!!!!!!!!

So have Bolton, even though they are in the bottom three.  We really are that bad.  We are on such a downward spiral and yet Randy can't see it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 16, 2012, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 16, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Wigan have won more games than us

MCLEISH OUT !!!!!!!!!!

So have Bolton, even though they are in the bottom three.  We really are that bad.  We are on such a downward spiral and yet Randy can't see it.
And only the appalling Dingles have won less.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2012, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 16, 2012, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 16, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Wigan have won more games than us

MCLEISH OUT !!!!!!!!!!

So have Bolton, even though they are in the bottom three.  We really are that bad.  We are on such a downward spiral and yet Randy can't see it.
And only the appalling Dingles have won less.

The table doesn't lie does it?  At the end of the season, the teams who have generally won the least amount of times are in the bottom three.  Wolves, Villa and Blackburn are there on current form.  We have a complete lack of fight, that's what scares me.  It'll be excuse after excuse from McFuck. Simply not good enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 17, 2012, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 16, 2012, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 16, 2012, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 16, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Wigan have won more games than us

MCLEISH OUT !!!!!!!!!!

So have Bolton, even though they are in the bottom three.  We really are that bad.  We are on such a downward spiral and yet Randy can't see it.
And only the appalling Dingles have won less.

That is a shocking statistic, and they were the better side at the Molineux against us too
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
One home win in five and a half months is the most shocking statistic.
How Blandy and his moronic bunch can find this acceptable, is beyond me.

McPissflaps has been an unmitigated disaster.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 17, 2012, 07:51:53 AM
And that home win came from an injury time Goalkeeping error when half the crowd had already buggered off.

To pin our hopes on winning games at VP between now and the seasons end would be madness - I predict if we get there we'll get there through draws only.

Next season, if we stay up and AML stays, we are cold, stone certaintees.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
It's either that or he's safe in the knowledge that he'll get a nice little pay off if they decide to fuck him off.

Premiership football always amazes me in the way that it rewards failure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 17, 2012, 08:12:58 AM
I think he seems unworried as still people don't mention us going down and he has the blame everyone but himself routine perfected !

Even accounting for the players who left he had more than enough for midtable ..he has been a failure as us the fans knew from the beginning ! Based on each place in the league being worth a million he is 6mil off last season with no hope of bettering that but every chance of it being worse. He has been a footballing ,pr and financal disaster.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 08:15:46 AM
If we go down, he's bound to come out with

'The fans have made it impossible for me.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank on April 17, 2012, 08:34:37 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 16, 2012, 10:13:39 PM
What should never be in doubt, though, is the manager's wanting to have a go. We should always be approaching matches with am intention of trying to win.

We've all seen plenty of rubbish seasons for Villa in the past, but I don't think McLeish's main problem is the sheer rubbishness of this season alone, it is that too often you can say he clearly did not have a go at winning games. That's not on.
Martinez in today's Times: "I believe the way out of trouble is playing well...To win you have to be a little different, to be brave enough to get on the ball and to try things, to have belief and arrogance"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 08:49:36 AM
At the back of my head comes keeps coming this thought that if we sacked him now and put KMac and Sid in charge for the next two games we'd scrape a win from one of them to secure us. Am I wrong in this assumption?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TimTheVillain on April 17, 2012, 08:49:41 AM
His future is well away from B6, I know that much.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 17, 2012, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on April 17, 2012, 08:49:41 AM
His future is well away from B6, I know that much.

His immediate future preferably!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 09:01:31 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 08:15:46 AM
If we go down, he's bound to come out with

'The fans have made it impossible for me.'

If that's his reason for leaving whether we stay up or go down I'll take it. It may be bollocks but anything to get him out of the door.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 17, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
Of course he looks relaxed - I still maintain his brief this season was to keep us up, and he'll do that.

It also helps his cause massively when you have the likes of Lee Dixon, on MOTD2, claiming he's done 'a good job', citing 'Villa have had injuries' as an excuse for form (ignoring the reality that we had almost a full squad until the end of Feb). And, of course, his old mucker, Sir Alex, again singing his praises in interviews last week.

You have enough people publicly saying you're doing a good job, despite a team winning fewer games than anyone, apart from Wolves and Blackburn, and you start believing it yourself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 17, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
If Randy believes any of that claptrap then we're beyond hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 09:34:40 AM
The reality his for 12 games, which is almost a third of the season. We have won one game, and that was a last gasp winner. One win in a third of a season is embarrassing. He's done a terrible, terrible job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
I reckon he'll be gone at the end of the season. As stated in another thread, I'm feeling positive today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2012, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 08:49:36 AM
At the back of my head comes keeps coming this thought that if we sacked him now and put KMac and Sid in charge for the next two games we'd scrape a win from one of them to secure us. Am I wrong in this assumption?

They wouldn't do any worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 17, 2012, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 08:49:36 AM
At the back of my head comes keeps coming this thought that if we sacked him now and put KMac and Sid in charge for the next two games we'd scrape a win from one of them to secure us. Am I wrong in this assumption?

They wouldn't do any worse.
With so many kids in the team,it would make perfect sense
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:33:28 AM
As much as we hate McLeish he'll get us a couple of draws and we survive the season. He may be shit, but he has more experience than our coaches so I imagine he's being kept on for that. He'll be booted after the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
I reckon he'll be gone at the end of the season. As stated in another thread, I'm feeling positive today.

I will have some of what you have had mate  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
I reckon he'll be gone at the end of the season. As stated in another thread, I'm feeling positive today.

I will have some of what you have had mate  ;D

Yesterday I was a doom monger, today I'm positive things are gonna get better.

Tomorrow who knows!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2012, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
Can't disagree with this, Neil.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2012, 10:38:07 AM
Quote from: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2012, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on April 17, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
I reckon he'll be gone at the end of the season. As stated in another thread, I'm feeling positive today.

I will have some of what you have had mate  ;D

Yesterday I was a doom monger, today I'm positive things are gonna get better.

Tomorrow who knows!

i suppose it beats flat line apathy that i have experienced for most of the season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I honestly can't see him going. I'd personally contribute to his compensation package if they do sack him, I'm sure the fans would probably pay it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 17, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: Merv on April 17, 2012, 09:27:56 AM
Of course he looks relaxed - I still maintain his brief this season was to keep us up, and he'll do that.

It also helps his cause massively when you have the likes of Lee Dixon, on MOTD2, claiming he's done 'a good job', citing 'Villa have had injuries' as an excuse for form (ignoring the reality that we had almost a full squad until the end of Feb). And, of course, his old mucker, Sir Alex, again singing his praises in interviews last week.

You have enough people publicly saying you're doing a good job, despite a team winning fewer games than anyone, apart from Wolves and Blackburn, and you start believing it yourself.
Over 38 games, plus cup matches, the stats do not lie. Even RL and co cannot be so foolish to realise that we can muddle through next season. Add to that the fact that ST sales will probably drop alarmingly and the message has to be crystal clear ...


... okay, I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 17, 2012, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 08:49:36 AM
At the back of my head comes keeps coming this thought that if we sacked him now and put KMac and Sid in charge for the next two games we'd scrape a win from one of them to secure us. Am I wrong in this assumption?

They wouldn't do any worse.

My cats couldn't.
Plus, they'd claw the ghoulies of any players who didn't give 100%.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 17, 2012, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 17, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Over 38 games, plus cup matches, the stats do not lie. Even RL and co cannot be so foolish to realise that we can muddle through next season. Add to that the fact that ST sales will probably drop alarmingly and the message has to be crystal clear ...


... okay, I'll get my coat.

Stop looking at the situation sensibly and rationally, EffDee. Haven't you forgotten that McLeish walked into the toughest job in football, and that he's been battling against all odds so far just to keep Villa going?

I think he's been so poor, in fact, that I can't think of a single other manager in the Premier League who has done a worse job this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 11:26:27 AM
Over the course of the season with the respective players available, I don't think any other manager has done a worse job than Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I would just love somebody at the club to make a statement, justifying their faith in McOneleggedmaninanarsekickingcontest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 17, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 17, 2012, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
Can't disagree with this, Neil.


disagree,
 he acts like a man going through the motions, saying stupid things, making excuses, knowing he wont be here much longer.
i see nothing in what Mcliesh says or anything in his body language which sugests he is guaranteed another season, in fact quite the opposite.

its funny how people read things in such different ways, still all will be revealed soon one way or another
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I would just love somebody at the club to make a statement, justifying their faith in McOneleggedmaninanarsekickingcontest.
I can't decide whether it's a good  or a bad thing that they haven't.Often the vote of confidence precedes the sacking
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
This calender year we've taken 12 points from 14 games. That's 12 from a possible 42. That is absolutely dreadful.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 17, 2012, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
I would just love somebody at the club to make a statement, justifying their faith in McOneleggedmaninanarsekickingcontest.
I can't decide whether it's a good  or a bad thing that they haven't.Often the vote of confidence precedes the sacking

You have to remember that our board don't say anything to anybody, I'm not even convinced that the prats talk to each other!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 12:08:12 PM
I fucking hate this whole situation, it's fucking bull shit. That's all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 17, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: john e on April 17, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 17, 2012, 10:35:56 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
Can't disagree with this, Neil.


disagree,
 he acts like a man going through the motions, saying stupid things, making excuses, knowing he wont be here much longer.
i see nothing in what Mcliesh says or anything in his body language which sugests he is guaranteed another season, in fact quite the opposite.

its funny how people read things in such different ways, still all will be revealed soon one way or another

Agreed, everything I've heard from him recently sounds like a man who knows he's being watched carefully and is desperately trying to justify his performance, given this and the fact that, if anything, it's caused us to withdraw even further into the must not lose mindset has got to be the final nail in the coffin.

I just don't get why so many fans seem to think the board will pat him on the back for a job well done at the end of the season because of the reduction in wages and completely ignore the fact that he's taken a side that were one of the form teams in the league late last season and has seen us fail completely at home.  7 wins in the league by mid april isn't good enough.  Even clubs like Wigan who are used to be down there would be unhappy with that return.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
With each passing day i'm convinced he won't be here next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 17, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: NeilH on April 17, 2012, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 07:57:33 AM
Does anybody get the impression that McPissflaps is really not all that bothered about the situation?

He acts like a man that knows his job is safe. Clearly Randy and/or Faulkner have already given him the assurance that he'll be here no matter what next season. If that is the case then it is an almighty 'fu*k you to the fans'
It's either that or he's safe in the knowledge that he'll get a nice little pay off if they decide to fuck him off.

Premiership football always amazes me in the way that it rewards failure.
Then he'll end up elsewhere and do the same.  Its and easy life eh...?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 17, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
With each passing day i'm convinced he won't be here next season.

As am I.

I think he's lost the fans now and will never get them back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I honestly can't see him going. I'd personally contribute to his compensation package if they do sack him, I'm sure the fans would probably pay it.
Why any compensation for the shit he has served up?  He has done an awful awful job with the resources he has been given. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I honestly can't see him going. I'd personally contribute to his compensation package if they do sack him, I'm sure the fans would probably pay it.
Why any compensation for the shit he has served up?  He has done an awful awful job with the resources he has been given. 

Given the recent large wedges we've handed over to former managers, you'd hope we were a bit cuter this time and had some kind of protective clause in his contract enabling us to get shot cheaply.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I honestly can't see him going. I'd personally contribute to his compensation package if they do sack him, I'm sure the fans would probably pay it.
Why any compensation for the shit he has served up?  He has done an awful awful job with the resources he has been given. 

Given the recent large wedges we've handed over to former managers, you'd hope we were a bit cuter this time and had some kind of protective clause in his contract enabling us to get shot cheaply.


You would hope so too.  But Villa and the FA seem to be bed fellows in this area. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 12:33:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 17, 2012, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 17, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I honestly can't see him going. I'd personally contribute to his compensation package if they do sack him, I'm sure the fans would probably pay it.
Why any compensation for the shit he has served up?  He has done an awful awful job with the resources he has been given. 

Given the recent large wedges we've handed over to former managers, you'd hope we were a bit cuter this time and had some kind of protective clause in his contract enabling us to get shot cheaply.


I doubt it. I think everthing would have been on his terms.That's why he's the 20th highest paid manager in the world,not forgetting the compo of god knows what to Blues.The incompetence is quite staggering
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
With each passing day i'm convinced he won't be here next season.

So am I, but I think that's me just having wishful thinking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Oscar Arce on April 17, 2012, 12:34:48 PM
The 20th best paid manager in the world, Alex McTwat.
Incompetence of a spectacular level by Lerner, who knows zero about football.
We're fucked unless we win a game and people are finally realising it..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 17, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 17, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
With each passing day i'm convinced he won't be here next season.

As am I.

I think he's lost the fans now and will never get them back.


Yep as I said whether you're in the 'sack now' or 'sack at end of season' camp. I don't think there is anyone who actually wants him to be in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Isn't it amazing how so many more fans are now finally agreeing what a waste of space AM is, anyone with an ounce of football know how knew that it would not work. Putting aside where he came from etc he is an absolute rubbish coach and the stats do not lie.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 17, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
It will be very interesting to see if the crowd are a lot more hostile to him this weekend if we go behind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 17, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
It will be very interesting to see if the crowd are a lot more hostile to him this weekend if we go behind.

I actually think the most interesting thing regarding the crowd will be to see how people behave with regard to McLeish but alongside how they react to the return of MON at the same time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 17, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
It just means that there'll be an utter cock in both dugouts for a change, instead of only ours!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 17, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
It will be very interesting to see if the crowd are a lot more hostile to him this weekend if we go behind.

I actually think the most interesting thing regarding the crowd will be to see how people behave with regard to McLeish but alongside how they react to the return of MON at the same time.
I won't be booing O'Pubehead, I don't fancy being taken to court.
He's probably got spotters in with the crowd.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 17, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Isn't it amazing how so many more fans are now finally agreeing what a waste of space AM is, anyone with an ounce of football know how knew that it would not work. Putting aside where he came from etc he is an absolute rubbish coach and the stats do not lie.
You seem to be under the impression that AM was everybodys first choice manager and we were all delighted to have him.It's called giving somebody a chance because we have no choice.So I wouldn't say it was amazing we've come to this conclusion.If only we could have been as wise as you from the beginning,none of this would have happened
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on April 17, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
Warley, your post was amazed me.  Amazed me enough to start liking McLeish now just to spite you.  I met him a few months back at Birmingham airport.  Really nice guy and as I have always been told, the sign or a trustworthy person, a good firm handshake.  I guess thats pretty much the case for the defence used up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 17, 2012, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on April 17, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
Warley, your post was amazed me.  Amazed me enough to start liking McLeish now just to spite you.  I met him a few months back at Birmingham airport.  Really nice guy and as I have always been told, the sign or a trustworthy person, a good firm handshake.  I guess thats pretty much the case for the defence used up
How likeable he is was a big factor in his appointment.
He came across as being very friendly and personable in the Directors lounge Post 5-1 walloping.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 17, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
I don't think anybody doubts McLeish's sincerity. I think he's one of the most decent blokes we've had in the hotseat in a long while.

I just don't think he's up to the job, as evidenced with how close we are to the trap door with five games to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 17, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 17, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
I don't think anybody doubts McLeish's sincerity. I think he's one of the most decent blokes we've had in the hotseat in a logn while.

I just don['t think he's up to the job, as evidenced with how close we are to the trap door with five games to go.


I don't know he seems incapable of accepting responsibility and seems to shift the blame a lot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 17, 2012, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 17, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 17, 2012, 03:18:56 PM
I don't think anybody doubts McLeish's sincerity. I think he's one of the most decent blokes we've had in the hotseat in a logn while.

I just don['t think he's up to the job, as evidenced with how close we are to the trap door with five games to go.


I don't know he seems incapable of accepting responsibility and seems to shift the blame a lot.

He's had to work with a depleted squad, had to sell our best players and got to reinvest only a fraction of the cost. He isn't to blame for all our problems. He's just not getting the most out of what he's been left with. We should have been a safe 8th to 12th side this year.

Not many managers come out and say they haven't got the most out of their resources. Incompetent yes, overall a decent bloke? On balance I'd say yes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2012, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 17, 2012, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 17, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
It will be very interesting to see if the crowd are a lot more hostile to him this weekend if we go behind.

I actually think the most interesting thing regarding the crowd will be to see how people behave with regard to McLeish but alongside how they react to the return of MON at the same time.

I think it'll be similar to when we were going for the title against Man U, and Man City came to town.  When we scored, some of them cheered, and they then kicked off amongst themselves for cheering a City defeat.  Think it'll be a similar atmosphere to that.  Some people will genuinely be pleased to see O'Neill back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 17, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
I have never met the man but, can a really good football manager ever be a really nice guy? Don't they all need a ruthless streak to be truly effective? When I was a manager in a big industrial organisation, my new director said at our first meeting that he was there to be respected not necessarily liked. Just an observation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 17, 2012, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 17, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
I have never met the man but, can a really good football manager ever be a really nice guy? Don't they all need a ruthless streak to be truly effective? When I was a manager in a big industrial organisation, my new director said at our first meeting that he was there to be respected not necessarily liked. Just an observation.

Graham Taylor, Bobby Robson are the only 2 i can think of right now that were nice guys and good football managers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 17, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Isn't it amazing how so many more fans are now finally agreeing what a waste of space AM is, anyone with an ounce of football know how knew that it would not work. Putting aside where he came from etc he is an absolute rubbish coach and the stats do not lie.
You seem to be under the impression that AM was everybodys first choice manager and we were all delighted to have him.It's called giving somebody a chance because we have no choice.So I wouldn't say it was amazing we've come to this conclusion.If only we could have been as wise as you from the beginning,none of this would have happened

Not that he's saying "I told you so".  He swore he wouldn't do that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 17, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Isn't it amazing how so many more fans are now finally agreeing what a waste of space AM is, anyone with an ounce of football know how knew that it would not work. Putting aside where he came from etc he is an absolute rubbish coach and the stats do not lie.
You seem to be under the impression that AM was everybodys first choice manager and we were all delighted to have him.It's called giving somebody a chance because we have no choice.So I wouldn't say it was amazing we've come to this conclusion.If only we could have been as wise as you from the beginning,none of this would have happened

All that would have happened is everyone would have been REALLY REALLY ANGRY for much longer.  As you say, we didn’t choose him but he deserved a chance to make it work.  It’s the same with the people who are 100% sure we’ll get relegated.  They might be right but I cannot be arse seriously contemplating that idea when there is also evidence to suggest we will stay up.  I’m saving my anxiety and sadness for when it is needed.  *IF* it is needed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 17, 2012, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 17, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
I won't be booing O'Pubehead, I don't fancy being taken to court.
He's probably got spotters in with the crowd.

Just boo anyway, there's no way even O'Pube could tell who of the many worthy candidates you were aiming it at.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 17, 2012, 05:58:06 PM
I think we need to stop worrying about upsetting the players if there is a verbal bashing of the Manager.  We are heading downhill fast anyway, so they probably can't play any worse than they already are. Might wake a few of them up. I don't like booing, I really don't, but McKnob has to go.  We HAVE to do something.  White flags, signs on a4 paper, anything that cannot be ignored by the media.  There is no way they can keep the cameras off the supporters for the whole game, get those signs out!!  Don't let the media edit us any more!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 17, 2012, 10:38:12 PM
I think when this bellend exentually gets the boot the energy released will create a huge black hole like that the nutters predicted for the LHC, and as a result all sorts of crazy shit will happen!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 17, 2012, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 17, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Isn't it amazing how so many more fans are now finally agreeing what a waste of space AM is, anyone with an ounce of football know how knew that it would not work. Putting aside where he came from etc he is an absolute rubbish coach and the stats do not lie.
Enjoy next season going round Tesco on a match day as we know you aren't coming to Villa Park again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 17, 2012, 11:33:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 17, 2012, 05:58:06 PM
I think we need to stop worrying about upsetting the players if there is a verbal bashing of the Manager.  We are heading downhill fast anyway, so they probably can't play any worse than they already are. Might wake a few of them up. I don't like booing, I really don't, but McKnob has to go.  We HAVE to do something.  White flags, signs on a4 paper, anything that cannot be ignored by the media.  There is no way they can keep the cameras off the supporters for the whole game, get those signs out!!  Don't let the media edit us any more!!

won’t we look a bit Blackburn if we do that?  Where is the humour, where is the fun?
I’d hate us to be seen as miserable fans along with our dour team.  It’s not the end of the world people.  Fair enough we want McLeish to leave but let’s still try and have some fun.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)

Quote
Owner Randy Lerner is plotting an Aston Villa overhaul this summer, placing boss McLeish right in the firing line.

The American wants to bring in a sporting director and is now considering appointing a new manager to work underneath him.

Starsport understands Lerner has already begun drawing up a list of potential Villa bosses. He is also set to step up his efforts to attract new investment to Villa which could boost his bid to bring in one of his top targets.

Lerner compiled a long list of potential bosses last summer before controversially turning to McLeish.

That included the likes of Wigan chief Roberto Martinez and Everton boss David Moyes, who could be considered again.

Lerner is a big fan of both but failed to lure either last year, with Martinez signing a new three-year Latics deal after rejecting Villa.

The Villa Park supremo could also look abroad for a manager used to working alongside the sporting director, a model favoured in Europe.

Lerner ignored fierce fans protests to appoint McLeish after he quit arch-rivals Birmingham.

But his controversial gamble on the Scot has failed to pay-off.

McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Nothing in this story to believe it's true, however, it's a straw, and we'll clutch it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
Part of me will feel sorry for McLeish if he is sacked.

*hides for cover.*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 18, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
Part of me will feel sorry for McLeish if he is sacked.

*hides for cover.*
Yes I totally agree.
The millionaire will deserve our sympathy!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:55:59 AM
Only from the point of view that he took the challenge on and I don't like seeing people fail, but if he is sacked, he deserves is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 09:01:35 AM
I've never wanted a Daily Star story to be true more. Please let Randy actually have decided to do that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
Part of me will feel sorry for McLeish if he is sacked.

*hides for cover.*

Good lord.  He should never have been given the job in the first place, but a £2m salary or whatever after relegating the Blues, and presumably another big pay-off if he does get sacked isn't really going to attract mych sympathy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 09:04:10 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
Part of me will feel sorry for McLeish if he is sacked.

*hides for cover.*

Good lord.  He should never have been given the job in the first place, but a £2m salary or whatever after relegating the Blues, and presumably another big pay-off if he does get sacked isn't really going to attract mych sympathy.
And that's a fair point :)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 18, 2012, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)

Quote
Owner Randy Lerner is plotting an Aston Villa overhaul this summer, placing boss McLeish right in the firing line.

The American wants to bring in a sporting director and is now considering appointing a new manager to work underneath him.

Starsport understands Lerner has already begun drawing up a list of potential Villa bosses. He is also set to step up his efforts to attract new investment to Villa which could boost his bid to bring in one of his top targets.

Lerner compiled a long list of potential bosses last summer before controversially turning to McLeish.

That included the likes of Wigan chief Roberto Martinez and Everton boss David Moyes, who could be considered again.

Lerner is a big fan of both but failed to lure either last year, with Martinez signing a new three-year Latics deal after rejecting Villa.

The Villa Park supremo could also look abroad for a manager used to working alongside the sporting director, a model favoured in Europe.

Lerner ignored fierce fans protests to appoint McLeish after he quit arch-rivals Birmingham.

But his controversial gamble on the Scot has failed to pay-off.

McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

** Praying Emoticon *
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 18, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
Part of me will feel sorry for McLeish if he is sacked.

*hides for cover.*

Good lord.  He should never have been given the job in the first place, but a £2m salary or whatever after relegating the Blues, and presumably another big pay-off if he does get sacked isn't really going to attract mych sympathy.

Yeah I'll have zero sympathy. If I performed as badly as he has in my job, I'd be sacked with nothing. He has done an awful job and must go, he's lucky to have ever had the chance to work at Villa and he's completely blown it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Please be true !!

Finally Randy might be waking up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 09:12:12 AM
I don't know why but I have a feeling that as soon as we are safe(assuming we make it) he'll be sacked. I can't shake that feeling for some reason, I hope it's right. Even Randy can see what a disaster this has been.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 18, 2012, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)

Quote
Owner Randy Lerner is plotting an Aston Villa overhaul this summer, placing boss McLeish right in the firing line.

The American wants to bring in a sporting director and is now considering appointing a new manager to work underneath him.

Starsport understands Lerner has already begun drawing up a list of potential Villa bosses. He is also set to step up his efforts to attract new investment to Villa which could boost his bid to bring in one of his top targets.

Lerner compiled a long list of potential bosses last summer before controversially turning to McLeish.

That included the likes of Wigan chief Roberto Martinez and Everton boss David Moyes, who could be considered again.

Lerner is a big fan of both but failed to lure either last year, with Martinez signing a new three-year Latics deal after rejecting Villa.

The Villa Park supremo could also look abroad for a manager used to working alongside the sporting director, a model favoured in Europe.

Lerner ignored fierce fans protests to appoint McLeish after he quit arch-rivals Birmingham.

But his controversial gamble on the Scot has failed to pay-off.

McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

** Praying Emoticon *

If true, he should back any new Manager with decent funds.

The first hurdle though is if Mr Lerner Sir appoints the right people.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 09:19:27 AM
On the plus side it's the first sign of the written media implying that he hasn't done a good job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 18, 2012, 09:19:27 AM
On the plus side it's the first sign of the written media implying that he hasn't done a good job.
I know, took them long enough.

Till now they've always slanted it as 'not giving him a chance.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 18, 2012, 09:21:22 AM
I really really hope this story is true and happens the day we are safe from the drop.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 18, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
If we're going to have a banner (and I'm not advocating it) my choice would be a huge one for the benefit of the media idiots:

WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOU'RE JUST INCOMPETENT'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 18, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 18, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
If we're going to have a banner (and I'm not advocating it) my choice would be a huge one for the benefit of the media idiots:

WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOU'RE JUST INCOMPETENT'.
Or I quite like
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, IT'S WHERE YOU'RE TAKING US THAT BOTHERS US
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOUR JUST NOT VERY GOOD
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 18, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
on another forum mysteryman has come out and completely ridiculed this story. Hope he's wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 09:52:06 AM
I imagine when appointed he gave Learner the oh i can do this job  yes we can be mid table whilst we sort the cash issues ,I can win the fans over playing attacking football blah blah

A blind man could see he has failed in every aspect
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 09:52:36 AM
Sympathy for McLeish is he is sacked?

Well, he does seem a pleasant guy, I'll give him that. But the one thing has struck me about him this season, that has actually surprised me, is that he actually hasn't seemed that passionate, that driven. He doesn't seem too... well, bothered, for want of anything else. Just a bit lacklustre and beaten down throughout the whole season.

I don't think he has much belief in himself. He's had a tough season, but he was also given a great opportunity that he really shouldn't have got anywhere near and hasn't made much of that opportunity at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 18, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 18, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
If we're going to have a banner (and I'm not advocating it) my choice would be a huge one for the benefit of the media idiots:

WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOU'RE JUST INCOMPETENT'.
Or I quite like
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, IT'S WHERE YOU'RE TAKING US THAT BOTHERS US

Like 'em both.
The Sunderland game would be a good one as the media will be all eyes for it.

As for Mysteryman, he was wrong when he said McBollockbrain wouldn't be appointed, so why should we believe him when he says he won't be sacked?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Boz on April 18, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
The problem with this article, is it's in the Star, even worse than the Mirror
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 18, 2012, 10:19:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Please be true !!

Finally Randy might be waking up

Said on here the other day, that I was told McLeish is far from safe, expressions used where walking a thin line and thin ice, he certainly doesn't have the backing of the board has suggested on here, I was also told that Lerner is the kind of guy that pops up out of nowhere and has a complete change of heart and then reacts,!!!!!!And if this is true, that's pretty much a spot on description.

Point is we can't go on like this, why AM doesn't get on the phone to RL and say, "look mate, it isn't working out, it will all end in tears, lets work something out now and I retain a little dignity and thus move on to the next club (rather than do an O'Leary) rather then be asked to leave and the club also maintains its integrity, and, we call it a day, just put it down to experience and it didn't work out.

He knows where he stands we know where we stand and we can start to get Flores in, a manager that Lerner can have confidence in and back to the hilt, we all get excited and of we go.


I would note a sign of trepidation in all this, this could easily be a warning note form the club saying that it plans to cut back even further than planned, AM stays in place, a sell of  of just about every decent player we have, and I'll say this for the record, why is Gabby, a fan of the club sauntering around like his lost his favorite toy, the player has completely lost motivation, Gabby wears his heart on his sleeve, he couldn't hide anything in terms of emoticons, and players would have a good insight to any rumblings going on, so it may not be all rosy.

Anyway playing golf later with one of the lads I'll see if I can nag him to death for any more info, if nothing else it should put him of his game. ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 18, 2012, 09:21:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 18, 2012, 09:19:27 AM
On the plus side it's the first sign of the written media implying that he hasn't done a good job.
I know, took them long enough.

Till now they've always slanted it as 'not giving him a chance.'

My Leicetsre mate came in my office and could see I was pissed off with the Villa situation . when I told him we had won 4 home games , he said ' you are joking , lets look at the table on the internet ' and replied ' I cant believe he's still there then'

Its taken people and the media a long time to realise how bad we are , but at least now it's starting to come out in the press etc.




p.s  he choked on his coffee when we both realised he has nearly a record of 1 win in 5 at the Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2012, 10:31:57 AM
Note to newspaper editors:

1) McLeish is terrible, and has done an abysmal job
2) We don't care that he used to manage Birmingham City
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 18, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)

Quote
Owner Randy Lerner is plotting an Aston Villa overhaul this summer, placing boss McLeish right in the firing line.

The American wants to bring in a sporting director and is now considering appointing a new manager to work underneath him.

Starsport understands Lerner has already begun drawing up a list of potential Villa bosses. He is also set to step up his efforts to attract new investment to Villa which could boost his bid to bring in one of his top targets.

Lerner compiled a long list of potential bosses last summer before controversially turning to McLeish.

That included the likes of Wigan chief Roberto Martinez and Everton boss David Moyes, who could be considered again.

Lerner is a big fan of both but failed to lure either last year, with Martinez signing a new three-year Latics deal after rejecting Villa.

The Villa Park supremo could also look abroad for a manager used to working alongside the sporting director, a model favoured in Europe.

Lerner ignored fierce fans protests to appoint McLeish after he quit arch-rivals Birmingham.

But his controversial gamble on the Scot has failed to pay-off.

McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

Please, please be true!!!!!!! The sleeping giant awakes
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 18, 2012, 10:41:14 AM
Im clinging onto this story, please be true
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 10:42:01 AM
I don't think for a second the Daily Star know a thing about Villa's situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)
McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

That last bit says they know fuck all as anyone with half a clue knows it wasn't AM's decision to sell them.  Ash went only days after he was appointed! 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 18, 2012, 10:55:01 AM
Oh, for this to be true. But it's the Star - no quotes, not even any 'sources close to Lerner' - the paper that admitted to Leveson they make stuff up (such as the Chile mine becoming a theme park).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 18, 2012, 10:57:29 AM
I would love this to be true but know its a load of bollocks.  Even i was baffled when i read the part about Mcleish selling Ashley young.  that was a done deal way before the transfer window opened.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard E on April 18, 2012, 11:06:06 AM
It says he wasn't helped by us selling Young and Downing rather than that he hasn't helped us by selling them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2012, 10:24:57 AM
My Leicetsre mate came in my office and could see I was pissed off with the Villa situation . when I told him we had won 4 home games , he said ' you are joking , lets look at the table on the internet ' and replied ' I cant believe he's still there then'

Its taken people and the media a long time to realise how bad we are , but at least now it's starting to come out in the press etc.

p.s  he choked on his coffee when we both realised he has nearly a record of 1 win in 5 at the Villa.

Yeah, I half fell out with a mate of mine last night who asked me about Villa. It's like waving a red rag in front of a bull to me, these days. He said: 'yeah, but have you seen the team he's got out at the moment?' I had to correct him on something else which is now being widely held up as an excuse - yes, we're missing key players now but McLeish had all but a full squad available until the end of February, 3/4 of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2012, 11:38:39 AM
If we don't win either of the next two games  , it will be 7 wins in 35 games .
That is a 20% win rate .  That is ABYSMAL .     Other than derby one season , it must be one of the worse records in the prem .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)
McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

That last bit says they know fuck all as anyone with half a clue knows it wasn't AM's decision to sell them.  Ash went only days after he was appointed! 

I think that part of the story implies it wasn't his decision.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

If we stay up it's because we will get a few more draws and the teams below will lose.

It might just be the Star reporting it but surely now his time in charge is finally going to get challenged in the media
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 18, 2012, 11:52:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 18, 2012, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 18, 2012, 10:53:51 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)
McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.

That last bit says they know fuck all as anyone with half a clue knows it wasn't AM's decision to sell them.  Ash went only days after he was appointed! 


I think that part of the story implies it wasn't his decision.



Downing it seemed was always going to go as well, even though the manager declared he didn't want him to go (damage limitation anyone?). The sad part of the above quote is the stark realisation in the formula 'AVFC - (Young + Downing) + N'zogbia' does not have the same parity.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 12:03:09 PM
We really should not be having this discussion because he should have gone weeks ago!!!Can anyone see,if we fail to get anything out of the next two games,that Lerner will not sack the arsehole?He cannot let us go down with this idiot.I have a feeling that if we do not get anything out of saturdays game Mcuseless will be gone,if we do get a result i still think that from a financial point of view he will be gone at the end of the season anyway.Lerner wont like the way crowds have plummeted this season and the negative feeling around the whole club.I am sure he must have somebody ready to step straight in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 18, 2012, 12:05:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say

Boo.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say

What else would he expect Villa to say? If they say 'no comment' then that just speculates it even further.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Well if they are unhappy I await the club statment
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.


This years dvd  season review will be good I wonder what we will call it ?  those magnificent 7 !!! ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 18, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 12:03:09 PM
I am sure he must have somebody ready to step straight in.

I'd like to think so too.  But, if you look at his track record since he's been here being pro-active doesn't appear to be one of his strengths as far as one of the most important positions in the club is concerned.

I hope in this instance I'm proved wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 18, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.


This years dvd  season review will be good I wonder what we will call it ?  those magnificent 7 !!! ;)

Quick Draw McLeech?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Well if they are unhappy I await the club statment

You'll have a long wait.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: James on April 18, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.


This years dvd  season review will be good I wonder what we will call it ?  those magnificent 7 !!! ;)

Quick Draw McLeech?

like it

or

the not very good in fact very bad and the fukin ugly  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 18, 2012, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 18, 2012, 08:47:04 AM
ALEX MCLEISH IN A BATTLE
 (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/246618/Alex-McLeish-in-a-battle/)

Quote
Owner Randy Lerner is plotting an Aston Villa overhaul this summer, placing boss McLeish right in the firing line.

The American wants to bring in a sporting director and is now considering appointing a new manager to work underneath him.

Starsport understands Lerner has already begun drawing up a list of potential Villa bosses. He is also set to step up his efforts to attract new investment to Villa which could boost his bid to bring in one of his top targets.

Lerner compiled a long list of potential bosses last summer before controversially turning to McLeish.

That included the likes of Wigan chief Roberto Martinez and Everton boss David Moyes, who could be considered again.

Lerner is a big fan of both but failed to lure either last year, with Martinez signing a new three-year Latics deal after rejecting Villa.

The Villa Park supremo could also look abroad for a manager used to working alongside the sporting director, a model favoured in Europe.

Lerner ignored fierce fans protests to appoint McLeish after he quit arch-rivals Birmingham.

But his controversial gamble on the Scot has failed to pay-off.

McLeish hasn’t been helped by Villa selling two of their best players, Ashley Young and Stewart Downing, last summer and then his big close-season signing, £9.5m Charles N’Zogbia, flopping.
This looks like a simple re-hash of the wishes of people on here!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DBTW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.

The press wont dig at McLeish because he is very press friendly.

Why do you think nothing has been written so far?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.


I think it's very very clear how appalling we've been in every regard. I'd be amazed if those higher up the club haven't noticed. They certainly will when season ticket renewals drop heavily. They have no choice but to sack him if they want to progress and increase revenue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 18, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: James on April 18, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.


This years dvd  season review will be good I wonder what we will call it ?  those magnificent 7 !!! ;)

Quick Draw McLeech?

like it

or

the not very good in fact very bad and the fukin ugly  ;D

Yeah  ;D, 'For A Few Dollars More' would work as well wouldn't it? ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: James on April 18, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
Quote from: James on April 18, 2012, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 18, 2012, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Exactly the record is what is it 3 wins this calender year ?

Two league wins, isn't it? Wolves and Fulham. Plus Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup.


This years dvd  season review will be good I wonder what we will call it ?  those magnificent 7 !!! ;)

Quick Draw McLeech?

like it

or

the not very good in fact very bad and the fukin ugly  ;D

Yeah  ;D, 'For A Few Dollars More' would work as well wouldn't it? ;)


We should be on Villas marketing team  :D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 18, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

What right minded person who wanted the best for Aston Villa would have employed McExcuses in the first place
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 01:04:47 PM
You have to wonder what Genting and Macron are thinging ..I bet they didn't sign up to sponsor and provide a kit to a team fighting relegation and with a hugely unpopular manager.

I would love to see them point out anything positive he has brought to the club..the only thing I can see they could suggest is brining Ireland and Warnock back into the team but then that mess was caused by thier last managerial appointment so really we are back to where we started !!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOUR JUST NOT VERY GOOD

I like this.  Simple, to the point and a good successor to "WE'RE NOT FICKLE, WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOU."

Make it so!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOUR JUST NOT VERY GOOD

I like this.  Simple, to the point and a good successor to "WE'RE NOT FICKLE, WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOU."

Make it so!

Well, if you insist on making it so, correct the grammar crime first.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 18, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
Somebody on VT came up with:

"It's not where you're from, it's where you're taking us" which I thought was quite pithy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
I like:

IT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE FROM, IT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 18, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 18, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
I like:

IT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE FROM, IT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING

Could be misinterpreted by our mental powers-that-be as pro-McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2012, 01:55:09 PM
Just add McLeish out above it in big letters :P
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: DBTW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.

The press wont dig at McLeish because he is very press friendly.

Why do you think nothing has been written so far?


because the media arn't interested in Aston Villa
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: DBTW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.

The press wont dig at McLeish because he is very press friendly.

Why do you think nothing has been written so far?


because the media arn't interested in Aston Villa

They're every bit as interested in us as they are other clubs of our size.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: DBTW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.

The press wont dig at McLeish because he is very press friendly.

Why do you think nothing has been written so far?


because the media arn't interested in Aston Villa

They're every bit as interested in us as they are other clubs of our size.

yes i would agree, but on the whole not very interested
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: john e on April 18, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: DBTW on April 18, 2012, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 18, 2012, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
Nursey from the Mirror is reporting Villa unhappy with the story ,and stablity and Mcliesh to say


Seriously what the hell have the Villa board been watching all season, because short of being sectioned, any right minded person that wants the best for Aston Villa cannot think that McLeish is it after this season. 1 home win in 6 months should be etched in their retinas until they realise just how dire that actually is. Incredible.

The press need to crank the pressure on him big time, and I am amazed that Kendrick is not being more critical. Bill Howell was one we never liked, but would give the manager a good poke if under performing.

The press wont dig at McLeish because he is very press friendly.

Why do you think nothing has been written so far?


because the media arn't interested in Aston Villa

They're every bit as interested in us as they are other clubs of our size.

yes i would agree, but on the whole not very interested

They'll be all over us like a tramp on chips if we get relegated.

The fact of the matter is, there's not really that much to say about a club mooking around in 15th or so - when you consider how much they do say about us currently, it is actually quite a lot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 18, 2012, 02:08:37 PM
We will have to pay out 2m - 4m to get rid of mcliesh

Plush the sunken costs of 4m for compensation and wages so far..

Arguments sake we bring in Martinez, well thats going to be another 2m to Wigan

so to get rid wil cost us 4m upfront and we need to write off the 2m we played to blues

wages are wages you pay no matter who is in charge i suppose...

how many season ticket sales and match day tickets do we need to drop by to make this decision feasable for the board?

i.e None mcliesh football (assume sales last season under houllier):
we sell 30,000 season tickets and average price is £500 thats 15,000000 in revenue per season

then say we sell average of 7,000 seats per game for 19 games, average price of say £30 thats an additonal  3,990000

Total in is 18,990000

Now mcleish in charge next season...

say 20,000 season tickets so 10,000000
say we sell 4,000 seats for season as match day tickets thats 2,280000

Total is 12,280000

Thats a loss of revenue of 6,710000

So business case stacks up to sack him i guess!

Just depends on this years season tickets sales and predicted match day sales... good to know if someone has actual stats...


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOU'RE JUST NOT VERY GOOD

I like this.  Simple, to the point and a good successor to "WE'RE NOT FICKLE, WE JUST DON'T LIKE YOU."

Make it so!

Well, if you insist on making it so, correct the grammar crime first.

Your quite right, fixed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOUR JUST NOT VERY GOOD

You might want to get someone to proof read it before you start painting any bedsheets.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
Fully on board with the banner idea.

For variation, how about

'Alex McLeish Ate My Hamster'

and

'I Want My Mum'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
'I Want My Mum'

Showing off your non-Brummie credentials there, KG.

No self-respecting Brummie would write "mum".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 04:28:26 PM
McLEISH, ALL OUR BASE BELONG TO US!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 18, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
Quote
'I Want My Mum'

I Want Our Mom
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM
WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU CAME FROM, YOUR JUST NOT VERY GOOD

You might want to get someone to proof read it before you start painting any bedsheets.

I was in a rush... (embarrassed emoticon)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
'I Want My Mum'

Showing off your non-Brummie credentials there, KG.

No self-respecting Brummie would write "mum".

Well I, er...

Maybe I was referring to Mum-mra, out of Thundercats.   Ever think of that?  (shakes fist)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
Fully on board with the banner idea.

For variation, how about

'Alex McLeish Ate My Hamster'

and

'I Want My Mum'

How awesome would it be if everyone took comedy protest banners.  You can guarantee the media would pick up on it as it’d be easy work.  When asked why, simple:  "The football is so dour we decided that it was necessary to bring our own entertainment.”
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
I want your mom too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 18, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
'This is a sheet'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 18, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
'Sheet the bed'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 18, 2012, 04:58:32 PM
"I'm so bored I brought my bedsheet"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 18, 2012, 05:02:09 PM
"My banner has a different agenda"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 18, 2012, 05:07:08 PM
“Next week I’m bringing the whole bed"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 18, 2012, 05:11:00 PM
Mummy or ambulance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
This = Sheet
That = Shit (with an arrow to the pitch)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 05:12:37 PM
'I bought this sheet from The Theatre of Dreams bedding'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 18, 2012, 05:16:49 PM
This is an elite sheet
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 18, 2012, 05:12:37 PM
'I bought this sheet from The Theatre of Dreams bedding'
Its got McUseless jizm all over it then!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
"You get so far up my nose I had to bring the big hankie"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Well if they are unhappy I await the club statment

You'll have a long wait.

Why would (or indeed should) the club respond to every bit of tabloid bollocks?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 18, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 18, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Well if they are unhappy I await the club statment

You'll have a long wait.

Why would (or indeed should) the club respond to every bit of tabloid bollocks?
Be nice if they responded to anything.
I would imagine Anne Frank and her family were more vocal stuck in the attic.

Last we heard off Lerner was that arse clenchingly awful interview that mentioned Fergusons letter.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 18, 2012, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 18, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Well if they are unhappy I await the club statment

You'll have a long wait.

Why would (or indeed should) the club respond to every bit of tabloid bollocks?

They should'nt, i was just saying that in this case they won't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 05:54:14 PM
They wont respond to anything because they know they fucked up big time!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 18, 2012, 05:54:20 PM
They do wheel out a player every now and then to say something patronising on Pravda.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Hopefully the next club statement will be this."The board,after carefull consideration have decided to terminate the contract of Alex Mcleish and he is no longer allowed within a street mile of our great club.After nearly fucking us up completely we decided enough was enough and we told him to FUCK RIGHT OFF!We wish the ginger headed useless twat no success in the future and hope that no football team in the country has the misfortune to employ this total waste of jizm!We are now pleased to announce that we are in discussion with several top rated managers to fill this once in a lifetime opportunity to manage this great club and take it to the heights that it deserves.We would also like to take this opportunity to say sorry to all the great and loyal fans who said we had made a complete fuck up in the first place." or something like that anyway.We live in hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 18, 2012, 05:54:20 PM
They do wheel out a player every now and then to say something patronising on Pravda.

In today's ticket news section regarding the Sunderland game, there's a line in there which says....'McLeish will send his troops out with one message...win this game!'.

I did cringe at that i must admit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 18, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Hopefully the next club statement will be this."The board,after carefull consideration have decided to terminate the contract of Alex Mcleish and he is no longer allowed within a street mile of our great club.After nearly fucking us up completely we decided enough was enough and we told him to FUCK RIGHT OFF!We wish the ginger headed useless twat no success in the future and hope that no football team in the country has the misfortune to employ this total waste of jizm!We are now pleased to announce that we are in discussion with several top rated managers to fill this once in a lifetime opportunity to manage this great club and take it to the heights that it deserves.We would also like to take this opportunity to say sorry to all the great and loyal fans who said we had made a complete fuck up in the first place." or something like that anyway.We live in hope.

I wouldn't have used those words but the sentiments are pretty much spot on.

Why won't McLeish just fuck off?!  Oh yes, because we're paying him £40k a week to drain the life and soul out of our club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on April 18, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
He has no shame, no conscience, no care for the fans, no care for the club, [oh and no idea], he wont beat MoN, so no points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 18, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 18, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
Hopefully the next club statement will be this."The board,after carefull consideration have decided to terminate the contract of Alex Mcleish and he is no longer allowed within a street mile of our great club.After nearly fucking us up completely we decided enough was enough and we told him to FUCK RIGHT OFF!We wish the ginger headed useless twat no success in the future and hope that no football team in the country has the misfortune to employ this total waste of jizm!We are now pleased to announce that we are in discussion with several top rated managers to fill this once in a lifetime opportunity to manage this great club and take it to the heights that it deserves.We would also like to take this opportunity to say sorry to all the great and loyal fans who said we had made a complete fuck up in the first place." or something like that anyway.We live in hope.

I wouldn't have used those words but the sentiments are pretty much spot on.

Why won't McLeish just fuck off?!  Oh yes, because we're paying him £40k a week to drain the life and soul out of our club.
Word away then pal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 18, 2012, 07:21:22 PM
Quote from: charlie on April 18, 2012, 06:44:49 PM
He has no shame, no conscience, no care for the fans, no care for the club, [oh and no idea], he wont beat MoN, so no points.


Villa will beat them though, no probs
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 18, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
As someone has already said on here, McTwat going may just be media bollox and clutching at straws.
Perhaps if enough of us clutch them, close our eyes and make a big wish....????????
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 18, 2012, 06:19:26 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 18, 2012, 05:54:20 PM
They do wheel out a player every now and then to say something patronising on Pravda.

In today's ticket news section regarding the Sunderland game, there's a line in there which says....'McLeish will send his troops out with one message...win this game!'.

I did cringe at that i must admit.


i dont know, he is like shanklyesque with his quotes
  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 18, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 18, 2012, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 04:25:41 PM
'I Want My Mum'

Showing off your non-Brummie credentials there, KG.

No self-respecting Brummie would write "mum".

Well I, er...

Maybe I was referring to Mum-mra, out of Thundercats.   Ever think of that?  (shakes fist)

that would make an awesome banner, confuse the hell out of everyone...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 18, 2012, 09:50:50 PM
If everyone's taking bedsheet banners, perhaps they should be accompanied by pillows too, if the football gets a bit dull, have a synchronised snooze, followed up with a synchronised 'shhhhhhhhhhh' if the away fans start making a noise during said snooze...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
My mate suggested a team wank. I cant say as i am interested.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 18, 2012, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
My mate suggested a team wank. I cant say as i am interested.

how would that work ? 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
My mate suggested a team wank. I cant say as i am interested.

Get out a lot does he, your mate?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 18, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
"John 3:16"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 18, 2012, 10:26:40 PM
'My other bedsheet is Percale.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2012, 10:29:52 PM
'That's not an apostrophe - I thought it was a fart'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 18, 2012, 10:39:26 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 18, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
My mate suggested a team wank. I cant say as i am interested.

Get out a lot does he, your mate?
perhaps they could have a circle Dutch ruddering session.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 19, 2012, 08:27:31 AM
Obviously we are having fun with amusing bedsheet banner ideas but I have got a bit lost about the protest bunch. When is their next one due?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 19, 2012, 08:42:17 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
"You get so far up my nose I had to bring the big hankie"
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
"You get so far up my nose I had to bring the big hankie"

Alex. Is this white hankie big enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 19, 2012, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 18, 2012, 10:01:58 PM
My mate suggested a team wank. I cant say as i am interested.

Are you sure he didn't just call us a wank team?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 19, 2012, 09:29:41 AM

ALEX McLEISH’S job as Aston Villa boss is safe  according to the sun

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4265180/Aston-Villa-give-their-backing-to-under-fire-boss-Alex-McLeish.html






                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

 



The club rubbished reports they will axe him to bring in a new man and a sporting director this summer.
 
Injury-hit Villa have been dragged into the relegation battle but McLeish is sure his youthful squad will stay up.
 
And SunSport can reveal he still has the backing of owner Randy Lerner, who has no intention of destabilising the club further.
 
A club source said: “There is no foundation to this. The club believes in continuity. We are putting in foundations on which to move the club forward. Alex remains an integral part of that.”
 
Kevin MacDonald, Gerard Houllier, Gary McAllister and McLeish have all been in charge since Martin O’Neill left Villa Park in 2010.
 
McLeish, 53, faces O’Neill’s Sunderland on Saturday and has challenged youngster Nathan Baker, 20, to make himself too difficult to drop.
 
The defender has impressed in Richard Dunne’s absence.
 
McLeish said: “He could be a male model but he’s got to be an ugly centre-half for us.
 
“I’d like to think Nathan is targeting that position to be his own. Why not? It creates healthy competition.”
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on April 19, 2012, 10:07:02 AM
Oh dear I hope this is not true. Not renewing if it is. Edit "a club source" if it was true why isnt it on the OS, there is still hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 19, 2012, 10:24:00 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him
And give us another season to forget.  I hope not!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him

I believe that even if he does bring in his own players and survives in the prem every year (even if we are in the same position as now, the board wont sack him.  I have no faith in this board what so ever.  Credit to Doug, when a manager was not performing then he was shown the door.  Here, it seems like they dont care about the fans and are happy for this idiot to continue managing the team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
I don't care whether he has excuses or not, he has to go. Continuity is only good if it's sensible and not if it's just for the sake of it. Mcleish bringing in his own players will only mean another dreadful season and trying to get rid of those players later down the line. He has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 19, 2012, 10:38:24 AM
I hate the fooking sun
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 19, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
This is also int he news today...

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/04/19/3044731/aston-villa-ready-to-sack-mcleish-in-summer-and-overhaul?

Makes it sound like board want to get rid but are begrudging the payout to mcliesh adding to the 12mil they have paid out to MON, Houiller & Mcliesh so far...

Add on compensation for say Martinez as he still has 2 yeasr ona  contract and Whelan wont let him go for free as he knows we paid 2mil for mcliesh...

Randy has created a rod for his own back on this one and needs to bite the bullet...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 19, 2012, 10:43:12 AM
Continuity? Does that mean, another shit season?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 19, 2012, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 19, 2012, 10:41:31 AM
This is also int he news today...

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/04/19/3044731/aston-villa-ready-to-sack-mcleish-in-summer-and-overhaul?

Makes it sound like board want to get rid but are begrudging the payout to mcliesh adding to the 12mil they have paid out to MON, Houiller & Mcliesh so far...

Add on compensation for say Martinez as he still has 2 yeasr ona  contract and Whelan wont let him go for free as he knows we paid 2mil for mcliesh...

Randy has created a rod for his own back on this one and needs to bite the bullet...
Perhaps in future they should do some research and look beyond the end of their clueless noses.  Only go themselves to blame.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: levico on April 19, 2012, 11:12:00 AM
I don't think Lerner will have the luxury of getting in a good new manager if we get relegated. Its like at Wolves they sacked McCarthy too late and will now pay the penalty. Im still not convinced that we won't also.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 19, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 10:26:02 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him

I believe that even if he does bring in his own players and survives in the prem every year (even if we are in the same position as now, the board wont sack him.  I have no faith in this board what so ever.  Credit to Doug, when a manager was not performing then he was shown the door.  Here, it seems like they dont care about the fans and are happy for this idiot to continue managing the team.

Looks like the board need some 'Deadly' lessons.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
The only thing continuity will bring with this management team is continued and worsening failure. Sometimes continuity is a bad thing when it's clear that the person is the wrong man for the job. It will only get worse under Mcleish and crowds will dwindle further. It might be painful paying out compensation again, but it'll be a lesson learned that they need some sort of footballing knowledge on the board. Mcleish has to go if they want to improve crowds and lift the general atmosphere of hopelessness around the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Intresting comments from Hleb

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/04/19/former-birmingham-city-star-alexander-hleb-slams-tactics-of-alex-mcleish-97319-30794672/


Quote
Alexander Hleb who played 19 times for Birmingham City under Alex McLeish has criticised the tactics of his former manager.

Hleb said on Russian website Rianovosti of playing in England: "you can get little pleasure out of it."

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield. To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me."

Hleb, described then-Birmingham boss Alex McLeish as "not a bad bloke" but wasn't impressed with his tactics.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 11:47:05 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Intresting comments from Hleb

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/birmingham-city-fc/birmingham-city-fc-news/2012/04/19/former-birmingham-city-star-alexander-hleb-slams-tactics-of-alex-mcleish-97319-30794672/


Quote
Alexander Hleb who played 19 times for Birmingham City under Alex McLeish has criticised the tactics of his former manager.

Hleb said on Russian website Rianovosti of playing in England: "you can get little pleasure out of it."

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield. To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me."

Hleb, described then-Birmingham boss Alex McLeish as "not a bad bloke" but wasn't impressed with his tactics.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"


Well that's pretty obvious, but not good to hear from someone who played for him. Shows that Mcleish is totally clueless tactically.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 19, 2012, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him
I'm not so sure, if they're not going to sack him after this car crash of a season, I don't think they ever will.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 19, 2012, 12:06:40 PM
Keeping McLeish would almost be as stupid as it was to employ him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 19, 2012, 12:07:04 PM
Maybe Lerner should have asked Hleb about AM rather than Sralex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 12:09:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 19, 2012, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
In some ways I hope he does survive the summer and gets to bring in his own players ..then when he does fail ,which he will there will be no excuses left for him
I'm not so sure, if they're not going to sack him after this car crash of a season, I don't think they ever will.


Also as I said, I don't care about his excuses justified or not. I care about Villa not being horrendously dull to watch. The only way that is going to change is him going as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 19, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 19, 2012, 12:07:04 PM
Maybe Lerner should have asked Hleb about AM rather than Sralex.

Nah, Hleb doesn't know fuck all about Ferguson.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: drisaac on April 19, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
Probably someone has said this before but the only place we can look for evidence of Randy sacking people is at the Browns:

Crennel 2005 5-11
Crennel 2006 6-10
Crennel 2007 10-6
Crennel 2008 4-12 - Sacked after 3 out of 4 seasons of mediocrity and one as almost-contenders.

Mangini 2009 5-11
Mangini 2010 5-11 - Sacked after 2nd season of mediocrity.

Shumur 2011 4-12 - More mediocrity.  Wikipedia says "frequently beset by confusion in personnel and play-calling at critical junctures." Sounds familiar?

Shumur has survived, as will McLeish, for another year at least.  See you back on this thread in 12 months time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on April 19, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
This season isn't mediocre.  That'd be about 8th in the league and the players on the beach by now.

This season is an abomination. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sid1964 on April 19, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Personally, after 40+ years of attending games on a regular basis and being a season ticket holder for the last 20 years, i honestly think that I cannot justify spending my money on a season ticket, whilst McLeish is in charge

If he is there next season then I wont be!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Christ almighty.

Quote
"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

*ding dong .. Monty to the McLeish thread, please*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 19, 2012, 12:37:30 PM
Last night i had a dream that turned into a nightmare
Mc was sacked and we had a statement from the board that was along the lines

"Premiership experience, European exp, exciting football yabba yabba"

"this guy was recommended by one of the leading lights in the game Siralex i would like to introduce Steve Bruce as Manager of the villa"

The dream then fast forwarded to the first home game of the season and the team ran out to not a single fan in site and Randy and Faulkener looking bemused at what was going one

My biggest fear about getting rid of Eck is the complete lack of trust and ability in our people to get the right replacement in

What a sorry sorry state we are in
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mozza on April 19, 2012, 12:37:51 PM
The future of Alex McLeish ?

I can't wait for the day that we refer to him in the past tense as the manager that shouldn't have been appointed

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Christ almighty.

Quote
"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

*ding dong .. Monty to the McLeish thread, please*

Quite.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 12:41:56 PM
Difference being in the NFL you can't be relegated so depsite being shit you are at least going to be in the same league and get the same income..

You can not give mediocrity time in the Premier League
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 19, 2012, 12:37:30 PM
Last night i had a dream that turned into a nightmare
Mc was sacked and we had a statement from the board that was along the lines

"Premiership experience, European exp, exciting football yabba yabba"

"this guy was recommended by one of the leading lights in the game Siralex i would like to introduce Steve Bruce as Manager of the villa"

The dream then fast forwarded to the first home game of the season and the team ran out to not a single fan in site and Randy and Faulkener looking bemused at what was going one

My biggest fear about getting rid of Eck is the complete lack of trust and ability in our people to get the right replacement in

What a sorry sorry state we are in

I would hope the board have now realised that the Premier experience bit is complete bollocks. Also they should disregard any sort of advice Sir Alex Ferguson. Two reasons really, firstly he only recommends managers who have played under him so is shamelessly biased. Secondly eventhough we are not remotely close to them at the moment, Man Utd are a competitor of ours and why on earth would you seek advice from one of our competitors on who would make us a success?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 19, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/04/19/3044731/aston-villa-ready-to-sack-mcleish-in-summer-and-overhaul
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Oscar Arce on April 19, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Oscar Arce on April 19, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.


i cant believe your saying these things
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?


John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 19, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Oscar Arce on April 19, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.


i cant believe your saying these things

Give that man a medal he is saying what many of us have been harping on about all season AM HAS TO GO
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?


John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond.  The only way he's going to be safe is if that response involves something along the lines of throwing a much bigger than expected budget at the team in the hopes that buying a few new players will get the fans back.  So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?


John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond.  The only way he's going to be safe is if that response involves something along the lines of throwing a much bigger than expected budget at the team in the hopes that buying a few new players will get the fans back.  So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.


and there is only one answer to that question, and we all know what it is, so does Randy
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 19, 2012, 01:54:41 PM
I just brought tickets for saturday, I said to the bloke is there many left, he paused laughed looked at me and said Erm Yeah
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 19, 2012, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 19, 2012, 02:10:29 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 19, 2012, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?
No idea but surely they could negotiate a way out saying they'll peyhim either his full or part of his salery per week until his contract expires and if he takes another job in that time he gets nothing else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa for life on April 19, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
The issue of paying off a manager is grossly exaggerated. Think - a Gabby playing well is worth 15 million, and a Gabby underpeforming is worth approximately half of that. Bent at his best is priceless, and certainly a 25 million pound player, but at the moment we'd struggle to get 18million.

Spending a few million paying off a manager or managers can easily justified.

That's a future debate..now is the time to get behind the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: timeoutbigbar on April 19, 2012, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 19, 2012, 02:10:29 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 19, 2012, 02:08:04 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.


so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?
No idea but surely they could negotiate a way out saying they'll peyhim either his full or part of his salery per week until his contract expires and if he takes another job in that time he gets nothing else.

Why would he agree to that?  I don't think its particularly standard procedure.  He doesn't seem to care that he is public enemy No.1, which leads me to think he'll drag it out until he's told otherwise.

I hope to god (or any other deity that will make it happen) that John e is right but if the club are fully focused on cutting back on finances, paying his compensation will probably outweigh the loss from attendances.  If we stay in the PL, Randy won't give a monkeys about anything else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on April 19, 2012, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 01:48:23 PM

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond....

Any normal company maybe.  But this is the company that didn't appear to have any early warnings or controls in place as MON took the wage ratio up to 80% of turnover.   And the company which was daft enough to recruit McLeish against all logic and common sense,  despite it being painfully obvious from his CV that he was neither successful nor entertaining, and would drive revenue down. And let's not forget their financial triumphs with managerial compensation and the Jenas contract.  So if it's good governance you're depending on, your faith may be misplaced.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 19, 2012, 03:23:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 01:48:23 PM
So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.
That's a bit - at this moment in time - like giving the keys of the asylum to the inmates; or the key of the drugs cabinet to the addicts.
Would anyone trust our current manager with a budget of significant proportions?

Recall: the players at the beginning of the season were saying how great it was to have him as manager: haven't seen any strong comments of this ilk recently; they do not look like they're "playing for the manager". He has not won them over and this does not bode well for any new players next season with him in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 19, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 19, 2012, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Oscar Arce on April 19, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on April 19, 2012, 12:42:26 PM
Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.


i cant believe your saying these things

Give that man a medal he is saying what many of us have been harping on about all season AM HAS TO GO

The problem is that it doesn't matter what "many of us" are saying, it matters what Randy Lerner is saying.  And if Randy Lerner is saying Mcleish stays, then he stays.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
I struggle to understand why people genuinely believe that McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  This is a man whom the owner and CEO defied fans protests and payed compensation to our rivals to lure him to our club.  The club has spent in excess of £12m paying off previous managers so the last thing they would want to do is go down that road again - even if we got relegated.  I firmly believe that Mcleish's only objective this season was to survive by any means necessary.  If by luck we managed to get into Europe then that would have been a bonus.  We might as well get used to it that he is here for the long term. 

I for one, do not believe he is the right man for the job and wish the club would sack him but it ain't going to happen.  I believe that should the same happen next year regarding our position in the league, they will still keep him as long as we maintain premiership status.  I could be very very wrong and I really hope I am so i can go and eat humple pie but i just cant see it.
I can see them giving him money though in the summer to buy new players......players he wants so that he can stamp his authority on them. 

I have no problems with fans wanting to protest or even boycott matches and not renewing season tickets.  Hopefully that will make them open their eyes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
I'd be amazed if he didn't get until Christmas.

If it were up to me I'd have got rid a long time ago, but I can see why they want to give him the Summer and the start of next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 19, 2012, 03:32:11 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on April 19, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
I'd be amazed if he didn't get until Christmas.

If it were up to me I'd have got rid a long time ago, but I can see why they want to give him the Summer and the start of next season.

I can't, if they plan to invest again, as that may leave a new man with a set of someone else's players on long contracts. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 19, 2012, 03:38:13 PM
I think the acid test for Randy will be ST sales and as we all know these can be purchased right up to the start of the season.  The galling thing about this is that there will not be enough time to find a decent replacement by then. 

If they are even thinking about getting rid of him, I’d like to think that they’re formulating ideas of what they want now and who might be able to facilitate that as manager.

Despite my hunch that he will leave, I think they’re going to balls it up again, largely by being fair and decent people.  Damn their honesty and elastic trust!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on April 19, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
The goal.com article made me chuckle.

"Senior officials are believed to be alarmed at the conservative style of football under McLeish, which has yielded the fourth worst goals record in the league this season, and falling attendances at Villa Park."

As if it's a major surprise,  and something that a quick look at his PL managerial record would not have warned you about.  Or 38,000 people shouting "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo". 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 19, 2012, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on April 19, 2012, 03:53:19 PM
The goal.com article made me chuckle.

"Senior officials are believed to be alarmed at the conservative style of football under McLeish, which has yielded the fourth worst goals record in the league this season, and falling attendances at Villa Park."

As if it's a major surprise,  and something that a quick look at his PL managerial record would not have warned you about.  Or 38,000 people shouting "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo". 

Look at his rangers record.  Now that is alarming!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 04:41:39 PM
If ST sales are well down and the reason being giving when they are calling people is the manager then it might be more cost effective to sack him then keep him.You have to not just take in the loss of income from the ticket alone but loss of revenue from food ,drink etc sales on match day

I think at the moment the real fear of the drop is keeping the fans on matchday from really turning on him but should we get to a point we are safe I expect it to turn nasty.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 19, 2012, 05:08:52 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 19, 2012, 04:41:39 PM
If ST sales are well down and the reason being giving when they are calling people is the manager then it might be more cost effective to sack him then keep him.You have to not just take in the loss of income from the ticket alone but loss of revenue from food ,drink etc sales on match day

I think at the moment the real fear of the drop is keeping the fans on matchday from really turning on him but should we get to a point we are safe I expect it to turn nasty.

As I inferred above, the problem here is that the board - if being fair - would probably have to wait until August to pull the trigger.  By which time any manager would reluctant to do a “MON” and drop their current club in it.  I hope that the canvasing of current ST holders was so they could justifiably sack him early in the close season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
I struggle to understand why people genuinely believe that McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  This is a man whom the owner and CEO defied fans protests and payed compensation to our rivals to lure him to our club.  The club has spent in excess of £12m paying off previous managers so the last thing they would want to do is go down that road again - even if we got relegated.  I firmly believe that Mcleish's only objective this season was to survive by any means necessary.  If by luck we managed to get into Europe then that would have been a bonus.  We might as well get used to it that he is here for the long term. 

I for one, do not believe he is the right man for the job and wish the club would sack him but it ain't going to happen.  I believe that should the same happen next year regarding our position in the league, they will still keep him as long as we maintain premiership status.  I could be very very wrong and I really hope I am so i can go and eat humple pie but i just cant see it.
I can see them giving him money though in the summer to buy new players......players he wants so that he can stamp his authority on them. 

I have no problems with fans wanting to protest or even boycott matches and not renewing season tickets.  Hopefully that will make them open their eyes.


well you might be strugggling to see why people think he will be sacked,
when i cant think of one, not one reason why Randy will keep him on, he been a disaster in every area, if people think bringing the wage bill down is a sign of success i think not, he didnt do that anyway, the club do that.

there is not a single reason when you look logicaly at it that would be worth giving AM another season, i know you can say Randy wont look at it logicaly,
and yes he has made the big mistake in the original appointment, but he is not that stupid, he knows what he has to do, its as plain as the nose on his face
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 19, 2012, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
I struggle to understand why people genuinely believe that McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  This is a man whom the owner and CEO defied fans protests and payed compensation to our rivals to lure him to our club.  The club has spent in excess of £12m paying off previous managers so the last thing they would want to do is go down that road again - even if we got relegated.  I firmly believe that Mcleish's only objective this season was to survive by any means necessary.  If by luck we managed to get into Europe then that would have been a bonus.  We might as well get used to it that he is here for the long term. 

I for one, do not believe he is the right man for the job and wish the club would sack him but it ain't going to happen.  I believe that should the same happen next year regarding our position in the league, they will still keep him as long as we maintain premiership status.  I could be very very wrong and I really hope I am so i can go and eat humple pie but i just cant see it.
I can see them giving him money though in the summer to buy new players......players he wants so that he can stamp his authority on them. 

I have no problems with fans wanting to protest or even boycott matches and not renewing season tickets.  Hopefully that will make them open their eyes.


well you might be strugggling to see why people think he will be sacked,
when i cant think of one, not one reason why Randy will keep him on, he been a disaster in every area, if people think bringing the wage bill down is a sign of success i think not, he didnt do that anyway, the club do that.

there is not a single reason when you look logicaly at it that would be worth giving AM another season, i know you can say Randy wont look at it logicaly,
and yes he has made the big mistake in the original appointment, but he is not that stupid, he knows what he has to do, its as plain as the nose on his face

I hope to God you're right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 05:47:35 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 19, 2012, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
I struggle to understand why people genuinely believe that McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  This is a man whom the owner and CEO defied fans protests and payed compensation to our rivals to lure him to our club.  The club has spent in excess of £12m paying off previous managers so the last thing they would want to do is go down that road again - even if we got relegated.  I firmly believe that Mcleish's only objective this season was to survive by any means necessary.  If by luck we managed to get into Europe then that would have been a bonus.  We might as well get used to it that he is here for the long term. 

I for one, do not believe he is the right man for the job and wish the club would sack him but it ain't going to happen.  I believe that should the same happen next year regarding our position in the league, they will still keep him as long as we maintain premiership status.  I could be very very wrong and I really hope I am so i can go and eat humple pie but i just cant see it.
I can see them giving him money though in the summer to buy new players......players he wants so that he can stamp his authority on them. 

I have no problems with fans wanting to protest or even boycott matches and not renewing season tickets.  Hopefully that will make them open their eyes.


well you might be strugggling to see why people think he will be sacked,
when i cant think of one, not one reason why Randy will keep him on, he been a disaster in every area, if people think bringing the wage bill down is a sign of success i think not, he didnt do that anyway, the club do that.

there is not a single reason when you look logicaly at it that would be worth giving AM another season, i know you can say Randy wont look at it logicaly,
and yes he has made the big mistake in the original appointment, but he is not that stupid, he knows what he has to do, its as plain as the nose on his face

I hope to God you're right.

So do I.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Hardly a tactical genius...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.

Also it's very obviously true from how we play. He's got to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 19, 2012, 06:00:53 PM
It's not like it's a surprise is it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 19, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

It sounds like a very funny pastiche, unfortunately im sure it's absolutely true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 19, 2012, 06:00:53 PM
It's not like it's a surprise is it?

Not at all.

It's also no wonder the seniors prefer his 'methods' to the training techniques of GH, which must have been too much like, you know, trying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 19, 2012, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 19, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.

Also it's very obviously true from how we play.

Yep, with Collins playing the 'kick it as far as you can' role.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 19, 2012, 06:52:02 PM
That's exactly what we have been seeing all season.Maybe Hleb should have been given a phone call before the appointment of said Ginger one!Site standards are being observed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: preston28 on April 19, 2012, 07:01:00 PM
Quote from: john e on April 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 19, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
I struggle to understand why people genuinely believe that McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  This is a man whom the owner and CEO defied fans protests and payed compensation to our rivals to lure him to our club.  The club has spent in excess of £12m paying off previous managers so the last thing they would want to do is go down that road again - even if we got relegated.  I firmly believe that Mcleish's only objective this season was to survive by any means necessary.  If by luck we managed to get into Europe then that would have been a bonus.  We might as well get used to it that he is here for the long term. 

I for one, do not believe he is the right man for the job and wish the club would sack him but it ain't going to happen.  I believe that should the same happen next year regarding our position in the league, they will still keep him as long as we maintain premiership status.  I could be very very wrong and I really hope I am so i can go and eat humple pie but i just cant see it.
I can see them giving him money though in the summer to buy new players......players he wants so that he can stamp his authority on them. 

I have no problems with fans wanting to protest or even boycott matches and not renewing season tickets.  Hopefully that will make them open their eyes.


well you might be strugggling to see why people think he will be sacked,
when i cant think of one, not one reason why Randy will keep him on, he been a disaster in every area, if people think bringing the wage bill down is a sign of success i think not, he didnt do that anyway, the club do that.

there is not a single reason when you look logicaly at it that would be worth giving AM another season, i know you can say Randy wont look at it logicaly,
and yes he has made the big mistake in the original appointment, but he is not that stupid, he knows what he has to do, its as plain as the nose on his face


I'm not sure I share your faith in Mr. Lerner being logical about McLeish's position - he has shown with his NFL franchise a remarkable ability to alienate his own fans and appoint a succession of bad coaches. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 19, 2012, 07:07:25 PM
i know what your saying Preston, and i'm not saying the next manager will be a brilliant chioce, because we dont know who its going to be,
 but Mcleish is definitley going out of the exit door
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation



I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 19, 2012, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 07:33:06 PM


I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.
I think thats because it was such a ludicrous appointment in the first place. Randy would have no reason to think the season could have gone any differently given his track record It's not like we employed Guardiola and he is under performing Randy has got exactly what was said on the tin It was ludricous that he was appointed therefore it's not ludicrous to think Fergie lover won't sack him on what grounds? He is doing what he does
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 19, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
I think the criteria for sacking McLeish will be 17th or lower, will be fan hostility, lack of bums on seats, and the fact he will have to go before the end of the season, short of that being he is still here by the start of next season and I genuinely feel we will all sink together next season.

Imagine, another wonderful fun packed season of football cornucopia and excitement under big Eck. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
See, if he stays to the end of next season I can see us going down. If he performs as badly in this one and by, say, January we look in bother, if we act and get rid of him and FINALLY appoint the right manager, we could get out of it. Big Ifs at play there though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:50:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 07:48:32 PM
See, if he stays to the end of next season I can see us going down. If he performs as badly in this one and by, say, January we look in bother, if we act and get rid of him and FINALLY appoint the right manager, we could get out of it. Big Ifs at play there though.

I agree with that summation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 19, 2012, 07:50:52 PM
If we finish under 40 points he should be sacked on the grounds that most seasons he would have taken us down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 19, 2012, 07:56:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 19, 2012, 07:50:52 PM
If we finish under 40 points he should be sacked on the grounds that most seasons he would have taken us down.

Spot on this, you have to look at the facts and the facts would be we survive of the backs of others failing, as opposed to our own ability.

40pts at very minimum should be a prerequisite of keeping you job, in actual fact it should be way higher than that but there you go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 19, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
If we don't go down this season he has to go.If we do go down this season,he has to go.Dreadful choice in the first place but to give him a slight bit of credit instead of slating him at every opportunity,was he the only manager who was told that there was virtually no money to spend,the best players were going to be sold and that the club were realistically only looking to finish at best midtable,and he still took the job on!!All the rest wouldn't touch us with a bargepole and can you blame them?Fair play to the bloke for having a go but it has not worked and never will so move on please to another club.Will we get anybody to replace him who is better?I doubt it if they have to work under the same parameters.So where do we go from here?Please somebody,give us all a bit of hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation





I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.


In my opinion, any money Randy puts into the club in 2012 and 2013 will be just to keep it afloat.  I don't think he wants or can afford to pay out another chunk on another manager's contract.  I think he genuinely thought he was pulling off a masterstroke in signing McLeish, but now it's all gone wrong he's stuck with his mistake.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.

You speak and post a lot of sense.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 19, 2012, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 19, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 19, 2012, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation





I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.


In my opinion, any money Randy puts into the club in 2012 and 2013 will be just to keep it afloat.  I don't think he wants or can afford to pay out another chunk on another manager's contract.  I think he genuinely thought he was pulling off a masterstroke in signing McLeish, but now it's all gone wrong he's stuck with his mistake.
I reckon your right and he really did believe it was going to be a masterstroke. He might have thought he was getting a Sam Allardyce type who could achieve this and keep us hovering around mid table for a season or two.
It has not worked out and he can not be crazy enough not to see this. So hopefully after the Norwich game he will part company with him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.

You speak and post a lot of sense.

Thanks mate (although not sure about speak - I have more time to think about how to phrase posts!).

For me, the fundamental has to be data. I'm unconvinced that the management team really use data-evidenced methods in training, tactics, preparation, signings and the rest of it - merely the 'received wisdom' which leads to so much uninspiring football. Surely our board, businessmen as they are (especially Faulkner, who appears to have run the commercial side very well), swear by the use of data, numbers, facts and evidence? If someone could show them the cold hard facts of our season which the manager cannot see, then maybe they'd change their minds. We live in vain hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Villanation on April 19, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
Surely we, being Randy Lerner and Aston Villa are at a crunch point, the proverbial crossroads, even Mr Lerner must now be thinking where is all this going.

Do we stay with this manager, in spite of falling gates and fan unrest, in which case I will have to risk precious further Millions on players at the risk of attracting nobodies and losing the lot and we get relegated anyway, in the face of massive hostility getting worse and worse, or....

Do we draw a line in the sand and say Alex, thanks but no thanks, after the safety point is reached that's it, its not worked and I have to put together a cohesive plan for next season, think about putting bums on seats in order to get the money back I'm about to spend in the summer in rebuilding the team.

I know which makes perfect commonsense to me.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?

No, sorry. I was not allowed to take a picture of the sheets. There was a lot of performance-related statistics and general data such as speed, distance covered, time on the ball, etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
A lot of work is done on proprioception.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?

No, sorry. I was not allowed to take a picture of the sheets. There was a lot of performance-related statistics and general data such as speed, distance covered, time on the ball, etc.

Hm. I'd really love to sit in on a training session, to see how they use it. Because even allowing for Hleb being flippant, McLeish's training methods hardly sound that nuanced.

Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:20:26 PM
A lot of work is done on proprioception.

I wonder if that's personal to the player or as a team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
I think it is individually. I'll ask.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 19, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
I think it is individually. I'll ask.

Thanks a lot. I know it is used a lot for rehabilitation a lot, so that would be relevant to our current injury situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 19, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 19, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.

Also it's very obviously true from how we play. He's got to go.
Well worth the sky high wages and compensation we've paid out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 19, 2012, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 19, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 19, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.

Also it's very obviously true from how we play. He's got to go.
Well worth the sky high wages and compensation we've paid out.
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 19, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 19, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 19, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Don't know if it's been posted anywhere else, but here are some quotes from Alex Hleb, now at Krylya Sovetov in Russia, talking about his time at Blues:

"At Birmingham, the team played the long-ball game, practically bypassing midfield," Hleb told Russian website RIA Novosti.

"To get into the game you had to play up front or linger at the back with the defenders to get hold of the ball, which more often than not flew right past me.

"The day before a game he would come onto the pitch and show us what to do: 'You stand here, the goalkeeper will give you the ball here, kick it as far as you can and don't pass to anyone nearby. And we all run.'"

Sounds incredibly damning to me, not to mention familiar.

It is, frankly, terrifying.

Also it's very obviously true from how we play. He's got to go.
Well worth the sky high wages and compensation we've paid out.
So our next signing will "Run" Forest "run" Gump. I can't wait.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 19, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 19, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation



I have concerns that this is correct.

McLeish, for all his faults, has gained respect in the boardroom for taking the job on when others turned their noses up, and has kept to the restraints laid down without bellyaching to the press and using the financial situation as an excuse to deflect the inevitable personal criticism.

And it's for that reason I think Randy, being the gent he is, and assuming there will be a few bob at least to spend, will feel he owes McLeish first dibs.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 19, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
I've done a bit or work at Wast Hills, SHA's training ground, they have data on nearly everything, a players km per training session, his acceleration and calories burnt, body fat % over the months, shit loads of data. If sha have that and knowing their budget I'd imagine that Villa can calculate the size of our player next jobbie.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 19, 2012, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: mr woo on April 19, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
And it's for that reason I think Randy, being the gent he is, and assuming there will be a few bob at least to spend, will feel he owes McLeish first dibs.



Decent gent, good custodian of the club but appalling decision maker if that's the way he will look at it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2012, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 19, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
I've done a bit or work at Wast Hills, SHA's training ground, they have data on nearly everything, a players km per training session, his acceleration and calories burnt, body fat % over the months, shit loads of data. If sha have that and knowing their budget I'd imagine that Villa can calculate the size of our player next jobbie.

Oh every club does it, especially (typically for England) physically. What I wonder is how (indeed whether) the management team really applies the information they have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 19, 2012, 09:47:43 PM
One thing I remember was that Benitez had a body fat of 8% and carsley's was nearly 30%. Barry Austins was similar.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 19, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
Nobody has a clue what old Randy thinking is i.e. stick or twist with AMc. Most of us clearly want to get rid and get a manger in that aleast offers us some hope / expectation.

I think the ST sales and other area where revenues may be hit will get Randy's attention. If he feels next season we could go down with Alex in charge then I think he will act - he did last season in Jan when were looking ropey and bought Bent, so I don't think he is blind to what is happening, IMO.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 19, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
When I spoke to Alex last week, I mentioned that he may be manager of the month. We are half way through April now. Watch this space!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nirog72 on April 19, 2012, 11:00:42 PM
Is the month September 2023 and is the club Torquay??
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 19, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on April 19, 2012, 11:00:42 PM
Is the month September 2023 and is the club Torquay??
April 2012.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nirog72 on April 19, 2012, 11:06:10 PM
I admire your optimism my friend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: picicata on April 19, 2012, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 19, 2012, 11:03:15 PM
Quote from: Nirog72 on April 19, 2012, 11:00:42 PM
Is the month September 2023 and is the club Torquay??
April 2012.
Ahahahahahaaaaa...ha
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 20, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
Do you see anything of AMc's tactics to Barcelona's???
http://www.miostadium.com/opinions/simon-kuper/barcelonas-secret-soccer-success
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 20, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 19, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
When I spoke to Alex last week, I mentioned that he may be manager of the month. We are half way through April now. Watch this space!

It's nearly three weeks since April Fools' Day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 20, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 20, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 19, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
When I spoke to Alex last week, I mentioned that he may be manager of the month. We are half way through April now. Watch this space!

It's nearly three weeks since April Fools' Day.
I think that must have been when Dave spoke to him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 20, 2012, 09:24:29 AM
DB - that barca article is frightening. Note to other forum users, done read that article use before tomorrows match cause it will be even more depressing what we have to view

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 20, 2012, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: DB on April 20, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
Do you see anything of AMc's tactics to Barcelona's???
http://www.miostadium.com/opinions/simon-kuper/barcelonas-secret-soccer-success

I think he tries to play like this... unfortunately he's just not very good. This is his downfall.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 20, 2012, 09:46:32 AM
I don't think he tries it at all. In fact I think he actively tries to keep the ball as far away from our team as possible. He does the 5 second rule in reverse, if we have it for more than 5 seconds then the players get fined.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 20, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
Me neither, I honeslty don't think he has that ability to look at tactics like that. It's a world of difference. Let face it only a few coaches can.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
I'm a rugby person as my main game to play, and 1 of the first things you learn coming into rugby is about hunting in packs.  If you get caught on your own (in attack or defence) it's a good chance something is going to go wrong.  This is taught to rugby players at all levels, and huge amounts of time in coaching and tactics are devoted to keeping your players together and isolating opponents.

Football works exactly the same.  If you have options to pass to it's an easy game, if you can commit to pressing a man knowing all his 'targets' for a pass are marked you drop the game to being about 1 person being able to trick their way round another.

What Barca do is on the same level as most professional rugby sides in terms of working as a team, the problem is football has long been a game about individuals, look at Barca, Messi is the one who gets all the plaudits but actually the whole side is setup in a way that allows him to look spectacular and he just happens to be the one who finishes most of the great moves.

I'd love to see a great rugby coach come into football and work with a team (on the training ground) for 6months, if they knew enough of the basic skills I think they'd make a great job of it because of the team comes first mentality they'd bring.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 20, 2012, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: DB on April 20, 2012, 10:48:02 AM
Me neither, I honeslty don't think he has that ability to look at tactics like that. It's a world of difference. Let face it only a few coaches can.

Which says a lot about football, to be honest. Such a closed network of incompetence couldn't exist anywhere else.

Paul I've often thought about certain points in rugby being applicable to football, on the ball and off it. The trouble is, in rugby the systems are a) simpler (running with the ball everyone not in a ruck arranges themselves in a straight line - in football everything about that is complicated by being able to pass forward) and b) actually defined by the rules themselves - in football you can do anything with ten outfield players.

However, you are right in how we could apply a couple of these aspects of the game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 20, 2012, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 20, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
I'm a rugby person as my main game to play, and 1 of the first things you learn coming into rugby is about hunting in packs.  If you get caught on your own (in attack or defence) it's a good chance something is going to go wrong.  This is taught to rugby players at all levels, and huge amounts of time in coaching and tactics are devoted to keeping your players together and isolating opponents.

Football works exactly the same.  If you have options to pass to it's an easy game, if you can commit to pressing a man knowing all his 'targets' for a pass are marked you drop the game to being about 1 person being able to trick their way round another.

What Barca do is on the same level as most professional rugby sides in terms of working as a team, the problem is football has long been a game about individuals, look at Barca, Messi is the one who gets all the plaudits but actually the whole side is setup in a way that allows him to look spectacular and he just happens to be the one who finishes most of the great moves.

I'd love to see a great rugby coach come into football and work with a team (on the training ground) for 6months, if they knew enough of the basic skills I think they'd make a great job of it because of the team comes first mentality they'd bring.

Good post paul-e.  There was a manger the other day that something along the lines of “I love Barca and the way they play.  It’s not their attacking I like, it’s the way they defend in packs.  That amount of work for the team requires such humility.”

The rugby coach idea is also something that I would like to see.  They are streets ahead when it comes to conditioning, arguably both mentally and physically.  I think the problem is people confuse the amount of money football produces as knowledge or wisdom.  So when Woodward works at Southampton he gets screwed over by the media and fans (and Redknap if I recall correctly).  Similarly, I could never understand the guffawing when McLeish went to expand his knowledge with the Browns.  Football needs to learn from other sports.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 20, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Someone on here mentioned reading a book about Barca recently, I'm pretty sure that in it they worked out that statistically, the opposition were likliest to give the ball away just after winning it so they coached all their teams to immediately commit players to press the ball however high up the field they were as soon as the ball was lost.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2012, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 20, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Someone on here mentioned reading a book about Barca recently, I'm pretty sure that in it they worked out that statistically, the opposition were likliest to give the ball away just after winning it so they coached all their teams to immediately commit players to press the ball however high up the field they were as soon as the ball was lost.

Haven't seen that specific quote but it's true, and is even more pertinent in english football where the first touch/technique is less assured.  There is a tendency to take your eyes off the game at the point where you take the pass or make a tackle, which limits your options when looking to pass on, etc.  That is the point where you're most vulnerable.  If you can get in someone's face right as they get the ball it's much more difficult for them.

Oh and Dante, I've been wanting Villa to take that approach for years.  The problem in football is that there's a massive element who aren't talented enough at the coaching and tactical side to even attempt to do anything creative so, again particularly in english football, the focus has been on getting quicker or stronger and relying on the same tactics and training as was used 20-30 years ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 20, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
Rumour has it that Rany Lerner has flown into the country for tomorrows game. oooooooooooh how exciting!  About bloody time he made an appearance
Im hoping I wake up to the headline on Sunday morning saying "MCLEISH SACKED"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 20, 2012, 05:02:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 20, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Someone on here mentioned reading a book about Barca recently, I'm pretty sure that in it they worked out that statistically, the opposition were likliest to give the ball away just after winning it so they coached all their teams to immediately commit players to press the ball however high up the field they were as soon as the ball was lost.

There’s an article linked above which describes the “science” brilliantly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fingers on April 20, 2012, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 20, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
Someone on here mentioned reading a book about Barca recently, I'm pretty sure that in it they worked out that statistically, the opposition were likliest to give the ball away just after winning it so they coached all their teams to immediately commit players to press the ball however high up the field they were as soon as the ball was lost.

Correct, my good man.  They have it installed into them to win it back within 7 seconds or they all filter back into position.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 20, 2012, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 20, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
Rumour has it that Rany Lerner has flown into the country for tomorrows game. oooooooooooh how exciting!  About bloody time he made an appearance
Im hoping I wake up to the headline on Sunday morning saying "MCLEISH SACKED"
Crack open the safe and get Fergusons's letter out again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 20, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 20, 2012, 05:14:16 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 20, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
Rumour has it that Rany Lerner has flown into the country for tomorrows game. oooooooooooh how exciting!  About bloody time he made an appearance
Im hoping I wake up to the headline on Sunday morning saying "MCLEISH SACKED"
Crack open the safe and get Fergusons's letter out again.

Does he only come to games against teams who have also got American owners. Maybe they all just have a good laugh at how they are taking over our national sport.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 20, 2012, 05:19:39 PM
I think he is coming to meet up with MON again
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 20, 2012, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 20, 2012, 05:19:39 PM
I think he is coming to meet up with MON again

Maybe his going to convince McLeish to put one on him and then sack him for misconduct.

2 birds 1 stone. Think about it Randy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on April 20, 2012, 05:59:21 PM
I really hope Randy is at the game. Then he can see first hand just how much vitriol there is towards McLeish right now. He can see with his peepers about  nearly 15,000 empty seats. He can here a mixture of dull silence only broken up by a chorus of disgruntled booing, that's if he's not nodding contently at all the joyous singing and noise the cats fans will no doubt be making.

For the love of god, I hope Randy comes to his bloody senses. We might survive but it'll be down to how shite other teams have been, because we won't deserve it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 20, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Regarding Randy.  I believe he was at the Stoke game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 20, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 20, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 20, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 19, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
When I spoke to Alex last week, I mentioned that he may be manager of the month. We are half way through April now. Watch this space!

It's nearly three weeks since April Fools' Day.
I think that must have been when Dave spoke to him
I spoke to him before the Stoke game in the tunnel.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2012, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 20, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Regarding Randy.  I believe he was at the Stoke game.

I reckon that was who McLeish did his wave at in the posh seats after his magnificent hanging on for a point.

I hope Randy did the wanker sign or flicked him the v's back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 20, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2012, 10:14:44 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 20, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Regarding Randy.  I believe he was at the Stoke game.

I reckon that was who McLeish did his wave at in the posh seats after his magnificent hanging on for a point.

I hope Randy did the wanker sign or flicked him the v's back.
Haha I know I did
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
Please Randy it is crystal clear we are only going one way under Mcleish, Sunderland were very poor today and they probably should have beaten us. We don't look like winning a game, whatever happens this season he has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 21, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 21, 2012, 07:43:38 PM
Please Randy it is crystal clear we are only going one way under Mcleish, Sunderland were very poor today and they probably should have beaten us. We don't look like winning a game, whatever happens this season he has to go.
He's not listening,or even watching come to think of it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 21, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
If you want Randy to wake up then don't renew or buy a season ticket.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 21, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Its depressing but, I can see him being here for a few years regardless of whether we're relegated or not.

He's worse than Billy McNeil and I think, without a hint of hyperbole, the worst manager to have ever taken charge of our club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 21, 2012, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 21, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Its depressing but, I can see him being here for a few years regardless of whether we're relegated or not.

He's worse than Billy McNeil and I think, without a hint of hyperbole, the worst manager to have ever taken charge of our club.

Spot on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on April 21, 2012, 08:10:29 PM
Apart from the fact McLeish is awful and has failed to get us winning games with or without our top scorer you've also got to look it from an economic POV with the revenue going down from poor attendances. If McLeish is having a bad economic impact on our how on earth can they keep a man who is losing the club's money? Although we love this club you have to remember its a buisness too.

I can't understand from a football standpoint AND an economic standpoint how they can keep him as manager of our team? It wouldn't make sense. Who employs someone who is losing money for their buisness? It's financially suicidal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Yossarian on April 21, 2012, 08:42:54 PM
Quote from: The Situation on April 21, 2012, 08:10:29 PM
Apart from the fact McLeish is awful and has failed to get us winning games with or without our top scorer you've also got to look it from an economic POV with the revenue going down from poor attendances. If McLeish is having a bad economic impact on our how on earth can they keep a man who is losing the club's money? Although we love this club you have to remember its a buisness too.

I can't understand from a football standpoint AND an economic standpoint how they can keep him as manager of our team? It wouldn't make sense. Who employs someone who is losing money for their buisness? It's financially suicidal.

Hubris. It was hubris that caused his appointment. It is hubris that is keeping him employed and it is hubris that will stop him being sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 21, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
Worse than O'Leary. At least O'Leary, even in that dreadful final season, delivered us a 3-1 win over Blues when we were both fighting for survival.

There's no urgency about this McLeish side. We are in a relegation scrap yet we don't look like scoring unless the opposition make a mistake or somebody in our side produces a moment of individual brilliance.

Desperate times.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 21, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
Desperate times and yet, still Randy/Faulkner won't act.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 21, 2012, 09:17:40 PM
I,Danlanza,herebye agree to abide by Legions Site Standards,but for fuck's sake,do we have to put up with this fu..in shite for the rest of the season and possibly next aswell?F..kin shite football,shite manager with no f..kin clue at all.Complete fu..in dross to watch with no positive outcome.Sick of watching this bollox every week.The best thing to do is sack this idiot and as someone said yesterday,put Sid in charge.At least he would have some clue,alongside the youth team and reserve team coach,and also some passion and fight!We are putting out a youth side week in week out so put the right people in charge.Watching this shite every week is not good for anybody's health or anybody's fu..in pocket either!!Our club is dying on its feet and it's a bastard travesty.We can't score goals...Big f..kin problem,our midfield can't pass the ball to one of there own Big f..kin problem and last but not fuc.in least,we can't fu..in defend for shite!!!!!What a cocksuckingpisspoorbollox show we are putting on this season.Ripping off season ticket holders and pay on the day fans every bloody week.Piss poor show Villa,piss poor!Get this club back to where it belongs...European bloody football!Jaigermeister please barman,make that two!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: richardb on April 21, 2012, 09:36:14 PM
"The future of Alex McLeish"...

...I hope will only be discussed in the off topic threads from now on.

We need to have some self respect. Get rid. KMac is more than used to putting out a motivated team full of kids, to get a result.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PhilGibson on April 21, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
How bad does it have to get on the playing front for Randy to make a change? Championship football being acceptable.
Is he really that dis-interested in us that he has stopped watching? He has not been to many games this season, you could say because of personal circumstances.
Is McLeish untouchable in his eyes because he is balancing the books? Are the finances that bad that the on the pitch performance does not matter.

I believe that Randy has felt really badly burnt by the last two managerial appointments and now he just wants a yes man who is not going to rock the boat (McLeish fits the bill), and does not want to from a financial or a personal viewpoint go through the process of recruiting a manager again in the near future. I think he wants to see the academy graduates be the bedrock of the side (cheaper in wages and transfer fees), he probably feels that the McLeish being the ultimate yes man, will go into the summer asking for as little money as necessary and will continue to drive down wages.

The long and short of it, whatever the outcome of this season I just do not see McLeish moving on no matter how much we all protest. The sole custodian as he calls himself, is calling the shots and he is making the decisions from 3000 miles away with a focus on something other than Villa. Ellis would have sacked McLeish by now because he was firstly always looking to protect his own back and second turned up to every game and saw the consequences of a bad manager on the pitch.

Randy is an absentee owner and does not now have the appetite for Villa, so we will continue to drift with McLeish until he decides to show more interest or sells up.

Very sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 22, 2012, 01:50:20 AM
I still get pissed off how he mentions the word 'experienced' as if it's a word meaning 'inherently better'. Quite apart from how false that belief is, what message does that send to these young players, trying their bollocks off in a shite system, that they're inherently better than the players who, in the same system, produced such objectively bad football?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 22, 2012, 01:55:46 AM
Quote from: Ads on April 21, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
Its depressing but, I can see him being here for a few years regardless of whether we're relegated or not.

He's worse than Billy McNeil and I think, without a hint of hyperbole, the worst manager to have ever taken charge of our club.

I wholeheartedly agree, and my first visit to VP was in the year of 1966 AD.

He is Vampyroteuthis infernalis, lit. "vampire squid from Hell".

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Summers on April 22, 2012, 03:22:19 PM
Firstly, I will state that I would prefer it if McLeish was moved on.   However yesterday, I am going to cut him a little slack as I think he was hamstrung by the injuries to Collins and Gabby which necessitated to substitutions that he probably didn't want to make at the time.    I would like to think that if we had not had the injuries then the likes of Gardner and Carruthers would have been brought on to try and change the game.

Of course, I may be completely wrong in this assumption and he would never have thought of bringing them on.  However, he spent all week talking up Carruthers and I was really looking forward to seeing him yesterday.   We will see on Tuesday I guess, I think it's a game we MUST win and therefore I think we need a little flair on there and flair with workrate and not our number 10 who really doesn't give a f*ck either way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
First of all WOW! 263 Pages for McLeish?!

It would be interesting to see what he would do with another season under his belt and if he was given a bit more money to spend. 

My concern is that if we do not learn from the mistakes of this season then we could be even worse trouble next time around.  I think championship is looking a real possibility unless there is a change either in the managers chair or in the sqaud and the managers thinking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard on April 22, 2012, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 03:43:49 PM
First of all WOW! 263 Pages for McLeish?!

It would be interesting to see what he would do with another season under his belt and if he was given a bit more money to spend. 

My concern is that if we do not learn from the mistakes of this season then we could be even worse trouble next time around.  I think championship is looking a real possibility unless there is a change either in the managers chair or in the sqaud and the managers thinking.

Not at all interesting, just plain stupid sorry !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 22, 2012, 04:19:32 PM
You maybe right, I think it would be too big a gamble also, but my point is that the only excuse he can make for this season is that it is not his squad and that the injuries have really hit us big, but yeah I have seen enough myself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 23, 2012, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 21, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
we don't look like scoring unless the opposition make a mistake

It struck me on Saturday that this was exactly how Blues beat both us & Arsenal in the League Cup last season.  Another reason to believe we are turning into them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 23, 2012, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 23, 2012, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 21, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
we don't look like scoring unless the opposition make a mistake

It struck me on Saturday that this was exactly how Blues beat both us & Arsenal in the League Cup last season.  Another reason to believe we are turning into them.

Which kind of confirms that the manager has no other strategy when it comes to his management style. If all he does is transform any team he manages into a footballing version of a turtle, we can't really expect anything else anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on April 23, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Listening to O'Neill on R5L last Saturday using an "interview" with the unspeakable Pat Murphy to polish up his halo and claim the reflected glory of Ashley Young, James Milner and Steward Downing as though they were the only player transactions he ever instigated and no mention of Habib Beye, Curtis Davies, Steve Sidwell, Luke Young, Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner and all the other monumental bollocks he dropped - made me start to consider what Alex McLeish will say at the end of this season regardless of which league we are in.

Will he be man enough and honourable enough to tell the truth that it has been a truly awful season?   Will he hold up his hand and say that he has been too negative, too cautious  and that the result has been mind bendingly unwatchable football and attendances dropping like a stone?   Will he admit that most of the pain for the fans has been generated by him?

Or will anything he says be directed at the owner and the media?    Difficult picking up the threads of two recently departed previous managers.   Understandable resentment by the fans to a manager from a local rival.   The need to run a tight ship.   The need to be patient.   The need to set achievable ambitions.   Bad luck.   Horrendous injury list.  Stan's illness.   Young Lions having to go to the Theatre of Dreams.  Inconsistent referees.

Yes of course it will be the latter.

The blindingly self evident principal reason for our plight will be buried, with the help of the likes of Pat Murphy and the armies of media arse lickers, in a distant grave with the simple lie of which Josef Goebbels would have been proud "The Villa fans were on his back from day one" Daily Mirror 13th April 2012. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 23, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Listening to O'Neill on R5L last Saturday using an "interview" with the unspeakable Pat Murphy to polish up his halo and claim the reflected glory of Ashley Young, James Milner and Steward Downing as though they were the only player transactions he ever instigated and no mention of Habib Beye, Curtis Davies, Steve Sidwell, Luke Young, Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner and all the other monumental bollocks he dropped - made me start to consider what Alex McLeish will say at the end of this season regardless of which league we are in.

Will he be man enough and honourable enough to tell the truth that it has been a truly awful season?   Will he hold up his hand and say that he has been too negative, too cautious  and that the result has been mind bendingly unwatchable football and attendances dropping like a stone?   Will he admit that most of the pain for the fans has been generated by him?

Or will anything he says be directed at the owner and the media?    Difficult picking up the threads of two recently departed previous managers.   Understandable resentment by the fans to a manager from a local rival.   The need to run a tight ship.   The need to be patient.   The need to set achievable ambitions.   Bad luck.   Horrendous injury list.  Stan's illness.   Young Lions having to go to the Theatre of Dreams.  Inconsistent referees.

Yes of course it will be the latter.

The blindingly self evident principal reason for our plight will be buried, with the help of the likes of Pat Murphy and the armies of media arse lickers, in a distant grave with the simple lie of which Josef Goebbels would have been proud "The Villa fans were on his back from day one" Daily Mirror 13th April 2012. 

Excellent summation of what will happen Brian. I hope Randy isn't reeled in by it all and realises Mcleish absolutely has to go whatever happens. I shalln't be holding my breath though, and then will look forward to another dour season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 23, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
I guess there are one or two reasonable excuses, such as Stan's illness, no one could ever forsee that.  But this season is worse than last season and even though we finished 9th, it wasn't enough to save Gerard Houllier.  I appreciate that his heart wasn't in a good state, but General Krulak was dropping huge hints to fans, well before the end of the season, that there would be a change of Manager.  All I ask for is the same in terms of consistency from the board.  I think we'll see what Randy's ambition for the club really is if he lets this man continue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 09:52:11 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 23, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Will he hold up his hand and say that he has been too negative, too cautious  and that the result has been mind bendingly unwatchable football?

One of the best sentences I've read on here in ages!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 23, 2012, 10:04:48 PM
Like a lot on here I've tried to be as positive as possible towards AM and still am. He's our manager. But with the squad we have we should have been doing better from the start, never mind trying to get ourselves out of the poopoo with injuries etc at this stage of the season.
I would love to think that RL will see that he's made a mistake and the writing is on the wall if he doesn't get rid.
I hope I'm wrong but I just don't think he will. He'll adopt the ManU/Fergie inspired stance of sticking with him in the vain hope that it will all come good eventually.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.

The injuries excuse might stand up more if we hadn't been mind bendingly shit for almost the entire season.

When we had no injuries for a long spell, he exhibited exactly the sort of unambitious crud we've seen recently.

This isn't just a season not of the quality Aston Villa expect, Alex, this is statistically one of our worst seasons ever, and it's your fault.

The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends. Maybe that way they'll slow down the pissing away of everything we'd achieved and built over the previous five years.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 23, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.

The injuries excuse might stand up more if we hadn't been mind bendingly shit for almost the entire season.

When we had no injuries for a long spell, he exhibited exactly the sort of unambitious crud we've seen recently.

This isn't just a season not of the quality Aston Villa expect, Alex, this is statistically one of our worst seasons ever, and it's your fault.

Couldn't have put it better paulie.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 23, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.

The injuries excuse might stand up more if we hadn't been mind bendingly shit for almost the entire season.

When we had no injuries for a long spell, he exhibited exactly the sort of unambitious crud we've seen recently.

This isn't just a season not of the quality Aston Villa expect, Alex, this is statistically one of our worst seasons ever, and it's your fault.

The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends. Maybe that way they'll slow down the pissing away of everything we'd achieved and built over the previous five years.
What has been our highest league position since December? in fact what has been our highest position all season?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
In the standard pre-match interview today McLeish told reporters that we've missed Petrov's shooting ability from the edge of the box since he was diagnosed with his illness.

Petrov's scored 9 goals for the Villa in almost 200 matches.  Does he genuinely think that's our biggest problem?!  The guy's an absolute clown.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 23, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
In the standard pre-match interview today McLeish told reporters that we've missed Petrov's shooting ability from the edge of the box since he was diagnosed with his illness.

Petrov's scored 9 goals for the Villa in almost 200 matches.  Does he genuinely think that's our biggest problem?!  The guy's an absolute clown.
The bollox he comes out with on a regular basis, esp post-match interview, is staggeringly shite!
It bears no resemblance to reality and is designed to fool himself, the owner and the press. None of whom seem to give a shit about our team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 23, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
In the standard pre-match interview today McLeish told reporters that we've missed Petrov's shooting ability from the edge of the box since he was diagnosed with his illness.

Petrov's scored 9 goals for the Villa in almost 200 matches.  Does he genuinely think that's our biggest problem?!  The guy's an absolute clown.

Did he say that . If so , what a joke. I mean he has scored the odd goal Stan but most of the time I am shouting Dont shoot Stan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 23, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.

The injuries excuse might stand up more if we hadn't been mind bendingly shit for almost the entire season.

When we had no injuries for a long spell, he exhibited exactly the sort of unambitious crud we've seen recently.

This isn't just a season not of the quality Aston Villa expect, Alex, this is statistically one of our worst seasons ever, and it's your fault.

The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends. Maybe that way they'll slow down the pissing away of everything we'd achieved and built over the previous five years.
What has been our highest league position since December? in fact what has been our highest position all season?

If you ignore the first 5-6 games where the table is irrelevant (1 win can move you from bottom 6 to top 6) I think we've sat around 12-15 most of the season, I certainly can't remember seeing us in the top half other than for a week or so after we beat blackburn right at the start of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 23, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 23, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: Ian J on April 23, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.

The injuries excuse might stand up more if we hadn't been mind bendingly shit for almost the entire season.

When we had no injuries for a long spell, he exhibited exactly the sort of unambitious crud we've seen recently.

This isn't just a season not of the quality Aston Villa expect, Alex, this is statistically one of our worst seasons ever, and it's your fault.

The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends. Maybe that way they'll slow down the pissing away of everything we'd achieved and built over the previous five years.
What has been our highest league position since December? in fact what has been our highest position all season?

If you ignore the first 5-6 games where the table is irrelevant (1 win can move you from bottom 6 to top 6) I think we've sat around 12-15 most of the season, I certainly can't remember seeing us in the top half other than for a week or so after we beat blackburn right at the start of the season.
So the difference the injury situation has had then is probably nothing. I missed most the matches between August and mid December, other than Jenas did we have much problems picking a regular side?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 23, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
One big problem was he did not know how to get the best out of Bent, maybe we did not have the players to provide the service. Houlier constucted a system with better players to enable Bent to cause a threat and eventualy the team benifited from that. Bent looked terrible under AM, he is a very limited footballer and these limitations were exposed. I think he thought that we could sit deep and create space in the other half for Bent to exploit. What actually happened was we sat deep, the opposition closed the space, Bent ended up with 2 markers and his threat was nullified.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bad English on April 23, 2012, 11:24:07 PM
I've missed the extra light Halley's Comet afforded the night skies in 1986.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 24, 2012, 07:13:51 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 23, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
One big problem was he did not know how to get the best out of Bent, maybe we did not have the players to provide the service. Houlier constucted a system with better players to enable Bent to cause a threat and eventualy the team benifited from that. Bent looked terrible under AM, he is a very limited footballer and these limitations were exposed. I think he thought that we could sit deep and create space in the other half for Bent to exploit. What actually happened was we sat deep, the opposition closed the space, Bent ended up with 2 markers and his threat was nullified.

This is a very good point. Bent, to me, can only really play the lone front man role in a side that passes through midfield and doesn't rely on playing off the front man. Otherwise I think he needs to play with someone who's more of a target man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 24, 2012, 07:21:05 AM
I agree, although his goal record to games was still excellent this season really, and the points we got with him per game were significantly better than without, 9 in 12 games with him out of the side says it all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 24, 2012, 07:25:43 AM
If we survive he will be gone, Randy will have nightmares just thinking about relegation and take appropriate action. Could happen if we win tonight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 24, 2012, 07:33:50 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 23, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
In the standard pre-match interview today McLeish told reporters that we've missed Petrov's shooting ability from the edge of the box since he was diagnosed with his illness.

Petrov's scored 9 goals for the Villa in almost 200 matches.  Does he genuinely think that's our biggest problem?!  The guy's an absolute clown.

Did he say that . If so , what a joke. I mean he has scored the odd goal Stan but most of the time I am shouting Don't shoot Stan.
Of all the legitimate reason's he could have given for missing Stan (leadership, defensive abilities, organization, experience, blah blah blah...) and he had to trot out that! Ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 24, 2012, 07:49:14 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 24, 2012, 07:33:50 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 23, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 23, 2012, 10:16:43 PM
In the standard pre-match interview today McLeish told reporters that we've missed Petrov's shooting ability from the edge of the box since he was diagnosed with his illness.

Petrov's scored 9 goals for the Villa in almost 200 matches.  Does he genuinely think that's our biggest problem?!  The guy's an absolute clown.

Did he say that . If so , what a joke. I mean he has scored the odd goal Stan but most of the time I am shouting Don't shoot Stan.
Of all the legitimate reason's he could have given for missing Stan (leadership, defensive abilities, organization, experience, blah blah blah...) and he had to trot out that! Ridiculous.

I think he means that as we have no chance of getting near the goal through normal channels, even a player with Stan's goal tally is a bonus because he sometimes actually takes a shot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simba on April 24, 2012, 08:02:09 AM
I felt sorry for Bent. Statistically he had the least touches of the ball in the Premier League. He did frighten defences though and his movement caused problems even if he was marked out of the game or more realistically ignored by a midfield playing on the distant horizon.

As for this comment about Stan- well it beggars belief as JP said he could have stated a number of much more valid and respectful attributes.

The man is an idiot who has embarrassed this Club since his arrival with his cowardly football and comments like this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 24, 2012, 08:17:17 AM
Doesn't suprise me in way ,his Birmingham team was reliant on Gardner scoring from long range ..he has no ability to set up an attacking  team.

Moron !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.



The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends.

If we win tonight and by the end of the weekend we're safe, i'd sack him then, put Kmac and Sid in charge for the last 2 games and let the fans enjoy what's left of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 24, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
sadly I can't see him going anywhere. The combined hubris of our owner and Chief Executive/MD/whatever will ensure his tenure extends into next season at least.  If so, we might well be sleepwalking towards irreversable decline
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 23, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
I notice the in the press conference today Mcleish said -

'"Our recent lack of winning obviously shows where we are. Form-wise, the amount of injuries and the young kids that have come in, we have performed well, if not the top quality that we would expect at Aston Villa."

Unfortunately Alex it's not really a 'recent' thing, we've hardly won any games all season. It's not really form when it goes on for so long.



The absolute worst thing Lerner and Faulkner could do now is to bury their heads in the sand and pretend things haven't been as bad as we say they have - they need to grow some balls and end this bloke's stay in the job the minute the season ends.

If we win tonight and by the end of the weekend we're safe, i'd sack him then, put Kmac and Sid in charge for the last 2 games and let the fans enjoy what's left of the season.

If we win tonight, we should sack him tomorrow because we won't be going down. I just want him gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 24, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
What amazes me is the media reporting regarding the situation...

Reading this really angered me yesterday...

"THEY came to bury Martin O’Neill not to praise him but in the end Villa fans were left grateful that another survival point had been secured.
The former Villa boss faced a torrent of booing on his first return to the club he left behind five days before the start of last season.

It mattered little that O’Neill had secured sixth place in three successive seasons during his time at Villa Park.

But such is the fickle nature of Villa supporters they have subsequently turned their anger on his replacement Alex McLeish.

Both managers were glad to have got this one out of the way – O’Neill because it was not a pleasant return and McLeish because it was another valuable point earned."

Taken from:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/315916/?

Why dont the media say it as it is, why are fickle natured? one man walked out on us 5 days before the season, the other is inept!

even this one... acknowledges out worst ever run with Mcleish in charge, then goes on to call us disillusioned (E.g. we have an inappropriate prospective)...

"O’Neill steered Villa to three sixth-place finishes but his controversial exit and the way he saddled Villa with overpaid and average players seems to be remembered more.

His successor Alex “Big Eck” McLeish is hardly any more popular as his team are striving to avert their worst Premier League points haul.

The Scot was booed equally at the end by the disillusioned Villa faithful after the club’s 15th league draw this season.

McLeish said: “We’ve had too many draws for this club but it’s no good crying over spilt milk. "

taken from...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/247304/Aston-Villa-0-Sunderland-0-Martin-O-Neill-cops-abuse-as-Alex-McLeish-feels-wrath/?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 AM
@NiiLamptey - they are two shit papers so take no notice.  They haven't got a clue how us fans are really feeling about everything
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 24, 2012, 11:03:11 AM
I know, I just always have a flick through NewsNow.co.uk every morning, and unfortunately read a lot of trash papers!

Just cant believe any sporting journalists can have those sort of opinions....

Would of thought by now the media would have all been mirroring the reality, villa are about to register their worst ever season in the history of the EPL, and rightly so fans are not happy... they dont have to blame Big Eck, they can blame the regime, but surely they must be able to see that the Villa Fans have ended up with worse off under recent history with the current club management...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 24, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 24, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
What amazes me is the media reporting regarding the situation...

acknowledges out worst ever run with Mcleish in charge, then goes on to call us disillusioned (E.g. we have an inappropriate prospective)...

"O’Neill steered Villa to three sixth-place finishes but his controversial exit and the way he saddled Villa with overpaid and average players seems to be remembered more.

His successor Alex “Big Eck” McLeish is hardly any more popular as his team are striving to avert their worst Premier League points haul.

The Scot was booed equally at the end by the disillusioned Villa faithful after the club’s 15th league draw this season.

taken from...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/247304/Aston-Villa-0-Sunderland-0-Martin-O-Neill-cops-abuse-as-Alex-McLeish-feels-wrath/?

Two things:

1)  It's the Star!
2)  You don't seem to know what disillusioned means.

Other than that, you're spot on!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 24, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
???

disillusioned - having lost one's ideals, illusions, or false ideas about someone or something; disenchanted

So i read is as the journalist saying - Aston Villa Fans think we should be doing better with resources - Reality is villa are about where they should be...

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 24, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
I'd be happy to accept the charge of being fickle and that we didn't give him a chance from the start if it means he goes. We all know how bad he's been this season and if his chums in the media want to try and polish the turd, so be it - just get the clown out of our club!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 24, 2012, 05:42:18 PM
Personally I’d be content/happy if McLeish stayed until the end of the season, even once we’re safe.
That’s not because I support him I just want a chunk of the search and strategy to be done in secret, in a rational and timely manner.

As soon as AM is removed we fans will be demanding statements, updates and ultimately a new messiah on a daily basis.  Whereas keeping him insitu will hopefully delay that particular melodrama.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mattjpa on April 24, 2012, 05:43:14 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 24, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 24, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
What amazes me is the media reporting regarding the situation...

acknowledges out worst ever run with Mcleish in charge, then goes on to call us disillusioned (E.g. we have an inappropriate prospective)...

"O’Neill steered Villa to three sixth-place finishes but his controversial exit and the way he saddled Villa with overpaid and average players seems to be remembered more.

His successor Alex “Big Eck” McLeish is hardly any more popular as his team are striving to avert their worst Premier League points haul.

The Scot was booed equally at the end by the disillusioned Villa faithful after the club’s 15th league draw this season.

taken from...

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/247304/Aston-Villa-0-Sunderland-0-Martin-O-Neill-cops-abuse-as-Alex-McLeish-feels-wrath/?

Two things:

1)  It's the Star!
2)  You don't seem to know what disillusioned means.

Other than that, you're spot on!!
Although ad@m said it with all the class of a hooker in a blues thong, I think calling us disillusioned is pretty spot on and the defenition provided sums us up pretty damn well. I dont think this translates to an inappropriate perspective however. If asked i would say Id expect us to be comfortably mid-table but at present I am completely disillusioned....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 24, 2012, 06:25:19 PM
well the Express artical is spot on,
 cant disagree with a word, i really dont know what Villa fans want the press to say, just to maon about the media, even when they get it right
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 24, 2012, 06:36:31 PM
Talking of the star , Im sure they were the first to mention Lerner was interested in McLeish and we all laughed and said BOLLOCKS !!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
Lerner for the love of God sack him now. Can you not see how hopeless it is? it's almost too late.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 24, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
It's too late now, we've got relegation written all over us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dishy on April 24, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
fuck off McLooser, just fuck off!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 24, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
I can't see us picking up another point. Please just walk away Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 24, 2012, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on April 24, 2012, 09:43:38 PM
It's too late now, we've got relegation written all over us.

Totally agree, without being all dramatic, I think we're fucked. This guy has a lot to answer for. He HAS to go tomorrow morning as far as I'm concerned. I'll leave it there as I'm VERY VERY angry
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on April 24, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
We look fucked. McLeish is an abomination. He's a relegation manager. We know it, everyone fucking knows it, except are imbecile chairman who's never bloody here.

I would actually take David O Leary back at this point. That's how bad we are right now.

We're now though in the lap of the gods because with 3 games left, you cannot sack a manager, no matter how bad. It'll make things even worse and put too much pressure on, most likely, KM.

Next season I'd settle for an sort of mid-table manager. I don't care. Something solid who can organise a team properly. Mid-table is better than potentially imploding to the level of Leeds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on April 24, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
The future of Alex McLeish is spending millions of pounds of AVFC money for relegating us. Its not exactly tough being an out of job millionaire. So what that he'll never get a good job again, he doesn't need to.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 24, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
His future? He should be strung up by his bollocks in the middle of The Bullring and let both sides of the city vent their spleens at him!

Aston Villa 36
QPR 34
Wigan 34
Bolton 33
Blackburn 31
Wolverhampton 23

Bolton have a game in hand. Read 'em and weep Randy, read 'em and weep!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 24, 2012, 09:54:36 PM
Even if he did the decent thing & walked, I very much doubt if KMac & Sid have the nouse to pull out a win between now & the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on April 24, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on April 24, 2012, 09:54:36 PM
Even if he did the decent thing & walked, I very much doubt if KMac & Sid have the nouse to pull out a win between now & the end of the season.
At least Sid would attempt to have us playing football. I'm sure he could motivate them!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 24, 2012, 10:00:48 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on April 24, 2012, 09:54:36 PM
Even if he did the decent thing & walked, I very much doubt if KMac & Sid have the nouse to pull out a win between now & the end of the season.

Possibly not, but we'd go down fighting and we'd have hope. For everything else, there's Mastercard!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 24, 2012, 10:01:09 PM
Lets reopen the poll on sacking the useless manager.
Question: should we sack AM and give the job to KMac and Sid ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 24, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
In answer to this thread.....he has no future.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 24, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 24, 2012, 10:01:09 PM
Lets reopen the poll on sacking the useless manager.
Question: should we sack AM and give the job to KMac and Sid ?

Surely that's a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:04:44 PM
AM is so bad that we have nothing to lose in sacking him.  Whats the worse that could happen if Sid and KM got the job.  It couldnt get any worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2012, 10:07:14 PM
Lerner end this folly now. You will lose a lot of money if it continues, bite the bullet. Put Kmac and Sid in charge for last 3 games, it cannot possibly be worse. If you don't act now it could be too late.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on April 24, 2012, 10:08:10 PM
I wanted to give him a chance what choice did we have? But it was always going to end in tears, there is no way he can lead us into next season, too many empty seats one way or the other. As management decisions go this was up there with the worst. Here's praying for a miracle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 24, 2012, 10:11:53 PM
Fucking hell I think the Villa fans have given him plenty of chance. We have got progressively worse and are virtually terminal now. There is no other manager in any other job who would have lasted this long. He has been given every opportunity and failed spectacularly. He has to go there is no other option.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 10:12:29 PM
As Thatcher would have said,


OUT! OUT! OUT!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
The club needs a lift.  Putting Sid an KM in charge would unite the players and fans.  We only need a couple of points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 24, 2012, 10:12:53 PM
Oh so damn predictable and avoidable in equal measure. Its been coming for weeks and everyone has seen it bar the people that matter. It breaks my heart to say it, but when when you are managed from the top to the manager so incompetently then you frankly deserve to go down and we're going down with a whimper not a cry, just like we did last time around.
I feel utterly mugged after backing Lerner and the 'Bright Future' nonsense. A once proud club is now heading into the abyss of the Championship where I fear we'll struggle to recover whilst the idiot is running the team and the invisible man is pulling the strings from a leather chair in Cleveland.

I feel like an utter idiot right now, like most of us do, for swallowing the Lerner nonsense hook line and sinker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 24, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
From the stream I had the fans seemed to try their best to get behind the team and 2-1 down but nothing happened on the pitch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 24, 2012, 10:15:27 PM
Can't disagree with any of these comments. The fans have amazingly patient but the end is nigh. He should be gone by midnight with his relegation buddy Grant. The negative vibes will only lead to one thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 24, 2012, 10:12:53 PM
I feel like an utter idiot right now, like most of us do, for swallowing the Lerner nonsense hook line and sinker.

It's a shame that as the anti McLeish songs rang around the ground at the end, the owner was 5,000 miles away, probably not even watching on TV.

The guy's retraction has been so complete, and his utter idiocy so total, that we have come to this absolute disastrous mess.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dishy on April 24, 2012, 10:19:44 PM
Proud History..........          that is all!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Colhint on April 24, 2012, 10:22:09 PM
just checked him out on Wiki, born on 21st jan 1959. I was thinking about the opposite of what Stan gets. Maybe 1 mins booing in the 21st minute
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
In answer to the thread title:     Pundit for ITV.   Hopefully. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
Have Radio 5 on now,  bugger he is being interviewed, not sacked.   

RL has the balls of a hamster, a lady hamster.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
In answer to the thread title:     Pundit for ITV.   Hopefully. 

I never want to see his fat, stupid face again, anywhere.  Not at Villa Park, not on TV.  Hopefully he'll resign and retire to a remote Scottish island and start a small holding.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Mcleish is a gonner, has been for weeks i reckon
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:38:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 24, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
In answer to the thread title:     Pundit for ITV.   Hopefully. 

I never want to see his fat, stupid face again, anywhere.  Not at Villa Park, not on TV.  Hopefully he'll resign and retire to a remote Scottish island and start a small holding.
With PubeHead as his neighbour.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 24, 2012, 10:39:07 PM
And still Randy will do nothing, I utterly despise him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 24, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 24, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
In answer to the thread title:     Pundit for ITV.   Hopefully. 

I never want to see his fat, stupid face again, anywhere.  Not at Villa Park, not on TV.  Hopefully he'll resign and retire to a remote Scottish island and start a small holding.
This. I can't bear the sight of him either. I fear a lot of close ups of mush in the next few games though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ChrissyPrice on April 24, 2012, 10:40:14 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 24, 2012, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
In answer to the thread title:     Pundit for ITV.   Hopefully. 

I never want to see his fat, stupid face again, anywhere.  Not at Villa Park, not on TV.  Hopefully he'll resign and retire to a remote Scottish island and start a small holding.

The sheep will all die.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 24, 2012, 10:40:30 PM
I just figured (or hoped/prayed)  that pretty soon he'll have a lot of time on his hands. 

I rarely watch ITV, but on the odd occasion I did, I could put up with (briefly)  seeing his gormless mug.  Safe in the knowledge that he was  no longer an embarrassment on our payroll.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on April 24, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
Have Radio 5 on now,  bugger he is being interviewed, not sacked.   

RL has the balls of a hamster, a lady hamster.

What is McLeish saying. I imagine it's not' I accept I'm shit'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 24, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Mcleish is a gonner, has been for weeks i reckon
Really he should have gone after Wigan away. We'd have stood a good chance then. Its ridiculous that its carried on for so long when the writing was on the wall.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: ez on April 24, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Mcleish is a gonner, has been for weeks i reckon
Really he should have gone after Wigan away. We'd have stood a good chance then. Its ridiculous that its carried on for so long when the writing was on the wall.


yes i agree
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  However he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 24, 2012, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Mcleish is a gonner, has been for weeks i reckon
Is he hell, he's got the safest job in the PL/Championship
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:49:24 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 24, 2012, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: john e on April 24, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Mcleish is a gonner, has been for weeks i reckon
Is he hell, he's got the safest job in the PL/Championship


we'l see
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Well he's not going to go anywhere until he's finished the job that's for sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'Zimidy on April 24, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
Tomorrow morning he HAS to be sacked. God help us if he isn't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 24, 2012, 10:52:54 PM
I've given AML every chance i really have and whether he goes or not I don't know - this is Lerner we're talking about here where common sense is some odd thought process that other people do.

However, he absolutley MUST go at the latest seasons end but probably before.



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jeowje on April 24, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
I doubt Randy even knows what the score was yet, he's lost interest. Hopefully we will somehow scrape survival and he will sell up in the summer as he must realise that he's not up to it and his investment will only continue to lose value as he continues to mis-manage it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
we are fucked mentally. The lads in that dressing room have literally no belief and that starts from McLeish. We need a change now, put the assistants in charge, and appoint someone permanently in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I genuinely don't believe there is an option which, compared with keeping McLeish in post for the next three games, compares unfavourably.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
It's time for McLeish to show some class and resign and admit that the job was to big for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 24, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 24, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
we are fucked mentally. The lads in that dressing room have literally no belief and that starts from McLeish. We need a change now, put the assistants in charge, and appoint someone permanently in the summer.
Nail on head TV.
Infact, that belief went the second the penalty went in.
To concede so soon after scoring bordered on criminal, and the effect it had on us and them was incredible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I genuinely don't believe there is an option which, compared with keeping McLeish in post for the next three games, compares unfavourably.
Yep, I would have more faith in the octopus that picked winners at the last world cup.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:59:30 PM
There's no way on earth RL will sack him now, absolutely none at all.  If we drop, he may do, but not before.  We're stuck with the twunt for 3 more games. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: avfcpg on April 24, 2012, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 24, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
we are fucked mentally. The lads in that dressing room have literally no belief and that starts from McLeish. We need a change now, put the assistants in charge, and appoint someone permanently in the summer.
100% agree. It needs a shift in momentum somehow and a change of "tactic", if there are any at the moment. 3 games to play, one win needed against 2 up and down teams in terms of form and a very off form Spurs....Spurs will tear us a new one, regardless of how poor they are right now. Saturday needs to be the one...going down to the last game is too horrific to think about.

It's a far bigger gamble keeping him on...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 24, 2012, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
It's time for McLeish to show some class and resign and admit that the job was to big for him.

When was the last time a manager resigned? it just doesn't happen, they wait to be sacked and pick up their pay off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 24, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I genuinely don't believe there is an option which, compared with keeping McLeish in post for the next three games, compares unfavourably.
Yep, I would have more faith in the octopus that picked winners at the last world cup.

Isn't it dead? Either way, it'd still have more of a clue than McTwat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2012, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
It's time for McLeish to show some class and resign and admit that the job was to big for him.

No chance, he's spent the last few months trying to convince himself that it's only happened because of injuries, regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season all we'll hear from him is 'woe is me' tales of terrible injuries and bad luck until he's sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on April 24, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
Having watched his imterview on Sky he did not give the impression of a man under pressure. His words were "its still in our hands"
Someone please make sense of this madness!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 24, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 24, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
we are fucked mentally. The lads in that dressing room have literally no belief and that starts from McLeish. We need a change now, put the assistants in charge, and appoint someone permanently in the summer.
Nail on head TV.
Infact, that belief went the second the penalty went in.
To concede so soon after scoring bordered on criminal, and the effect it had on us and them was incredible.

Not knowing how to win has become a really bad habit. They don't have the confidence to keep a lead and they don't have the confidence to come back from deficits. It has to be mentally straining and what is McLeish going to say tomorrow at training that is going to change any of that? The players will be looking for inspiration and then watch in agony as Peter Grant askes them to do fucking star jumps.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Diablo on April 24, 2012, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 24, 2012, 10:01:09 PM
Lets reopen the poll on sacking the useless manager.
Question: should we sack AM and give the job to KMac and Sid ?

This
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I genuinely don't believe there is an option which, compared with keeping McLeish in post for the next three games, compares unfavourably.

This.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 24, 2012, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 24, 2012, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
It's time for McLeish to show some class and resign and admit that the job was to big for him.

No chance, he's spent the last few months trying to convince himself that it's only happened because of injuries, regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season all we'll hear from him is 'woe is me' tales of terrible injuries and bad luck until he's sacked.

Quote from: ROBBO on April 24, 2012, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: villanic on April 24, 2012, 10:57:12 PM
It's time for McLeish to show some class and resign and admit that the job was to big for him.

When was the last time a manager resigned? it just doesn't happen, they wait to be sacked and pick up their pay off.

I know, just hoping he would really because he is not getting sacked.

By the way ROBBO, McLesih resigned from the noses but that sadly was so he could come to us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on April 24, 2012, 11:09:57 PM
Mc Leish will not be sacked,a disgrace I know but a fact,the gutless Board cannot admit yet another f--- up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Diablo on April 24, 2012, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 24, 2012, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 10:56:39 PM
I genuinely don't believe there is an option which, compared with keeping McLeish in post for the next three games, compares unfavourably.

This.

This
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 24, 2012, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 24, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 24, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
we are fucked mentally. The lads in that dressing room have literally no belief and that starts from McLeish. We need a change now, put the assistants in charge, and appoint someone permanently in the summer.
Nail on head TV.
Infact, that belief went the second the penalty went in.
To concede so soon after scoring bordered on criminal, and the effect it had on us and them was incredible.

Not knowing how to win has become a really bad habit. They don't have the confidence to keep a lead and they don't have the confidence to come back from deficits. It has to be mentally straining and what is McLeish going to say tomorrow at training that is going to change any of that? The players will be looking for inspiration and then watch in agony as Peter Grant askes them to do fucking star jumps.

What was most depressing was that we saw Bolton put in the worst performance (including our own) at Villa Park all season for 45 minutes.

Owen Coyle then made a tactical switch which had us on our back foot and Bolton looking like fucking Brazil in the second half, and our glorious, never-at-doubt leader was utterly, utterly fucking clueless as to what to do to try to get us back into it.

When we went 2-1 down, we didn't look like we had two goals in us for the rest of the shitting season, let alone by the end of the match, we just looked shapeless and fucking clueless as the match ebbed away.

Meanwhile McLeish is stood on the touchline, thinking about what "not my fault" bullshit he was going to trot out at the end of the match, and that vacant-expressioned barely evolved chimp, Grant, just concentrated on looking angry and waving pieces of paper around.

It was utterly, utterly pathetic, and if I were a fan of any other club watching that, I'd be genuinely hoping to see us get relegated.

Meanwhile, the absentee landlord is sat on his arse 5,000 miles away, either unaware of what is going on, or totally not giving a shit any more.

Bollocks to McLeish, Lerner and Faulkner, the trio of halfwits don't deserve a fraction of the support they still have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2012, 11:12:44 PM
Oh irony of irony, the master of drawing games couldn't manage one tonight when it mattered the most (it would've kept Bolton six points back).

I see in his press conference yesterday he was still making reference to "not winning some people over."

Yes you bellend it's because you're on the verge of relegating this great club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 11:14:00 PM
I honestly can't see us winning another game under McLeish. Changing it might be the only option left.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: woo on April 24, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  However he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Agree with this. If he goes before the weekend then maybe that will be the spark that gets 3 more points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 11:14:00 PM
I honestly can't see us winning another game under McLeish. Changing it might be the only option left.

Nor me.

We've just had two home games against Sunderland and Bolton and managed one point from six.

If we stay up, it'll be entirely because of the deficiencies of others, nothing we do. We look just like Newcastle did three years ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 24, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
I wrote this season off after the Wolves and Toon home games. I never thought however even then that it would come to this. He has to go tomorrow. That's the only chance we have of staying in this league. KMac and Sid for me. They've got so many kids in the team that they know so well. They may be be able to squeeze a result out of them that will keep us up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
Right off to bed.   Lets hope there is a big news conference at VP tomorrow.

We can live in hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Keeping him in charge now could only do more damage.

The only good thing to come out of tonight is that after the abuse he got, he definatley won't be our manager next season whatever happens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Moxley:

Quote
McLeish met Faulkner and Lerner in the tunnel. Banished the tv cameras. Manager remains in situ. #avfc
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 24, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
He must go now, for his own personal safety, some very angry Holtenders around me tonight, he must go and we regroup and try and win one game
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 24, 2012, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Moxley:

Quote
McLeish met Faulkner and Lerner in the tunnel. Banished the tv cameras. Manager remains in situ. #avfc

Who's Moxley?

Does this mean Lerner was at the game then?  Bit odd for him to be here for a midweek game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 24, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 24, 2012, 11:17:19 PM
Right off to bed.   Lets hope there is a big news conference at VP tomorrow.

We can live in hope.
Pleasant dreams
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on April 24, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
In addition to being sacked he should also be jettisoned off into space so that he cannot do this horrendous shit to any other team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on April 24, 2012, 11:24:22 PM
The sad thing is that even if we do stay up McLeish will probably keep his job because Randy will think it was because of the heroic efforts of McLeish which involved playing for draws, not winning at home in nearly 6 months and relying on other teams teams to beat our relegation rivals rather than win the games ourselves. Staying up by the skin of our teeth would be seen as a great achievement by Randy and he would probably offer McLeish the key to the city of Cleveland!!!

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paulcomben on April 24, 2012, 11:25:48 PM
Time to change the title of the thread to something like Remember When There May Have Been A Future For AM? Based on his record 3/4 FAPL seasons going down...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 24, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: The Situation on April 24, 2012, 11:24:22 PM
The sad thing is that even if we do stay up McLeish will probably keep his job because Randy will think it was because of the heroic efforts of McLeish which involved playing for draws, not winning at home in nearly 6 months and relying on other teams teams to beat our relegation rivals rather than win the games ourselves. Staying up by the skin of our teeth would be seen as a great achievement by Randy and he would probably offer McLeish the key to the city of Cleveland!!!

 

He'd only lose it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 24, 2012, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on April 24, 2012, 11:25:48 PM
Time to change the title of the thread to something like Remember When There May Have Been A Future For AM? Based on his record 3/4 FAPL seasons going down...


Remember when there might have been a future for McLeish? Very good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 24, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on April 24, 2012, 11:25:48 PM
Time to change the title of the thread to something like Remember When There May Have Been A Future For AM? Based on his record 3/4 FAPL seasons going down...

I can't wait till its renamed The ****** has been sacked...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:30:49 PM
Here you go.

The top passers from tonight's game. I've bolded the one Villa player so you can spot him.

These stats say everything you need to know right now about where we are with McLeish.

Chris Eagles 36 - 42
Nigel Reo-Coker 33 - 43
Mark Davies 26 - 28
Stephen Warnock 25 - 33
Martin Petrov 24 - 35
Kevin Davies 23 - 33
Gretar Steinsson 23 - 32
David N'Gog 22 - 32
Tim Ream 21 - 30
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chris Harte on April 24, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 24, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
I can't wait till its renamed The c*** has been sacked...
This.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 24, 2012, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 24, 2012, 11:29:58 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on April 24, 2012, 11:25:48 PM
Time to change the title of the thread to something like Remember When There May Have Been A Future For AM? Based on his record 3/4 FAPL seasons going down...

I can't wait till its renamed The c*** has been sacked...
Sub titled Favorite AM Moment? Answer for me would be 'When the ****** got sacked"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 24, 2012, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 24, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Keeping him in charge now could only do more damage.

The only good thing to come out of tonight is that after the abuse he got, he definatley won't be our manager next season whatever happens.

Agree, i've gone from thinking if we did stay up Randy would probably keep him on to now thinking there's no way he can stay, it's just whether he goes tomorrow or at the end of the season.

Personally, he should be relived of his duties tonight and RL should cough up any compo from his personal account not out of the Club's P/L.

It simply cannot get worse as I can't see anything other than 3 defeats coming up and hoping for a miracle elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tarzansbrother on April 24, 2012, 11:34:55 PM
When will the 6 step interviewing process start if he gets the bullet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 24, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Apparently, according to the journalists on twitter, Randy and PF met Eck in the tunnel, banned tv cameras and are still backing him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.



Yup.

How empty was that Proud History, Bright Future nonsense? We couldn't even get the basics right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on April 24, 2012, 11:41:58 PM
Who gives a f*ck!

Im more concerned about the future of Aston Villa.

Randy, Sack Mcleish, Sack Faulkner and then do us all a favour and SELL!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 24, 2012, 11:43:15 PM
I hated DOL - still do to some degree.  I hated the way he belittled us as a Club, I hated the way he always gave us the feeling that the job was a little beneath him, I hated the way he surrendered in matches (it'd never happened before), hated the way he knew feck all about our history as a Club, just hated the arrogant prick.

AML, although i'm sure is a nicer bloke, is actually doing more damage to us in 1 year than DOL ever did in 3 years. 

I never thought i'd see the day when a Manager achieved that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 24, 2012, 11:43:22 PM
Drunk, annoyed and  hoping this man is gone in the morning.

Na night.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on April 24, 2012, 11:43:42 PM
Lerner has let the Club down fact!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Billy Walker on April 24, 2012, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.



If you could write a textbook on how not to run a football club (or any business for that matter) simply look at how Lerner has run Villa these past three years.  There's been no leadership, no joined up thinking, no discernible strategy, no clear communication with the people that matter (us).  It has been an utter shambles.  The thing is everyone with half a decent brain could see this slow car crash unfolding before their eyes.  I've had a look at a few Browns forums and it is exactly the same there, with fans venting exactly the same concerns and exactly the same frustrations with his ownership "style".  What on earth is the guy doing?  What is going on in his head?  Every last drop of credit in the bank has gone for me as far as Randy goes, he is totally out of his depth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:53:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.



Yup.

How empty was that Proud History, Bright Future nonsense? We couldn't even get the basics right.

Fortunately I was in a pub outside the British Museum only following the game via Twatter. Spoke to my lad who's had a chat with Stanley Victor this evenunb in the Upper Holte and he said it was desperate.

I am still numb at the thought of where we are now. The Proud History days seem so far back now, its like a different world entirely. Remember mocking the Geordies in their demise and how we laughed at them appointing Pardew.  Randy has made  the biggest fuck of his "sporting" career and I don't trust him in sorting any of this out
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2012, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.



Yup.

How empty was that Proud History, Bright Future nonsense? We couldn't even get the basics right.

Emptier than the emptiest vacuum.  That fraud Krulak is using the exact same slogan at his college in the US.  His whole involvement was nothing more than cynical spin and PR.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 24, 2012, 11:53:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 24, 2012, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 24, 2012, 10:47:11 PM
I didn't want him here, yet I wanted to give him a chance because he had the balls to take the job in the face of all the flak.  ndeed theHowever he's proved that it's no coincidence that he's relegated two teams in three seasons (soon to be 3 in 4), because he is woefully inadequate in his job.  And for that, Randy and his Ginger chum have to take the blame.  They've caused this.

Indeed they have. The fault for this mess lies with Lerner period. No one else. The decision making at VP over the last three seasons has been a shambles.



Yup.

How empty was that Proud History, Bright Future nonsense? We couldn't even get the basics right.

Emptier than the emptiest vacuum.  That fraud Krulak is using the exact same slogan at his college in the US.  His whole involvement was nothing more than cynical spin and PR.

What he's using the Proud history slogan.

Jesus, I'm afraid to say I got totally suckered in on that one.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 12:02:23 AM
Randy looked at the figures,appointed carrot head and then gave him his guidelines.Unfortunately financial restraint and football don't work well together.
However just as in other industries , if you neglect to properly maintain your assets [in this case the player squad] then things start to break down or stop working altogether and in the long run cost you more in lost revenue.
AM should carry the can but Randy and his inadequate side kick should also be shouldering some of the blame.Possibly some of the players to.However first out of the door should be AM. Bet the noses are pissing themselves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 12:04:35 AM
If McLeish is still in charge tomorrow afternoon we're down, it's as simple as that. Sadly I think either our owner doesn't care or is too stubborn to make the change.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 12:02:23 AM
Randy looked at the figures,appointed carrot head and then gave him his guidelines.Unfortunately financial restraint and football don't work well together.
However just as in other industries , if you neglect to properly maintain your assets [in this case the player squad] then things start to break down or stop working altogether and in the long run cost you more in lost revenue.
AM should carry the can but Randy and his inadequate side kick should also be shouldering some of the blame.Possibly some of the players to.However first out of the door should be AM. Bet the noses are pissing themselves.

They're having a collective wet dream over on SHA.  They've got more threads about us than we've got about McLeish!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 24, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Apparently, according to the journalists on twitter, Randy and PF met Eck in the tunnel, banned tv cameras and are still backing him.
If true we are really fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:09:38 AM
I don't blame them, this is their most perfect of perfect scenarios.  There lives revolve around us.

Just think, SHA could get promoted, we could get relagated and Chelsea could win the Champions League.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
What he's using the Proud history slogan.

Jesus, I'm afraid to say I got totally suckered in on that one.

Yep, try this for size:

http://www.bsc.edu/communications/news/2011/bsc-proud-history.pdf

I bet he's at the college gridiron games exhorting the students to get behind "the lads" as well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 25, 2012, 12:12:19 AM
His job is safe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
What he's using the Proud history slogan.

Jesus, I'm afraid to say I got totally suckered in on that one.

Yep, try this for size:

http://www.bsc.edu/communications/news/2011/bsc-proud-history.pdf

I bet he's at the college gridiron games exhorting the students to get behind "the lads" as well.

That's unbelievable.

He'll be organising free coaches and scarves for some tedious American football fixture next.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
He even copied the Birmingham bit.

*shakes fist at sky*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
He even copied the Birmingham bit.

*shakes fist at sky*

Look at the students in their T-shirts, shorts and flip flops.  We never had any of that in Selly Oak, let me tell you *affects look of deep sadness and betrayal*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:19:06 AM
I could've just punched the screen when I saw his gurning face - no mention of eventual asset striping i see though.  They'll keep those peskey students.

So it really was just an empty slogan after all that could be trotted out in a one size fits all forums type of way. 

Being so far away I don't get the feel of the atmosphere you fellas get at VP but now I'm sharing the feeling of being so utterly let down.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
It all becomes very hollow when you see that doesn't it. Wonder if the Browns have the same!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 12:24:25 AM
Proud history is all we have left at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 12:48:10 AM
He won't be sacked.

 And why?

The same reason he hasnt been sacked in his life, despite his questionable career record. And that is.....and he knows this...is if you avoid defeat, and especially heavy losses,  it's hard for people to pull the trigger. And it's hard for chairmen to point the finger, because there's always the dodgy penalty, the unfortunate injury or the sheer bad luck you can shift the blame onto.

Only some of us see the bigger picture. The failure to make hay while the sun shone will be our undoing.

And that is not the fault of injuries, it is not the fault of a referee and over 38 games it is not a case of bad luck.

However, it may well be the fault of an American , a custodian, or his trusted business minded employees, who rejected the advice of a few hundred brummie 'thugs' (oh, the silent majority, a phrase used when it suits) because they thought they knew better.


Well guess what. We were right. You were wrong. You have two choices- sack him or sell up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 25, 2012, 12:52:24 AM
A mate put £50 on a Chelski draw tonight @ 20-1 and I put several Villa wins at various prices. I thought he was mad but I will be checking into Rubery tomorrow..Goodbye Mac and thanks for all the fish!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 25, 2012, 02:38:51 AM
Edit

* Bless his cotton socks *
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 04:13:34 AM
Quote from: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 12:48:10 AM
He won't be sacked.

 And why?

The same reason he hasnt been sacked in his life, despite his questionable career record. And that is.....and he knows this...is if you avoid defeat, and especially heavy losses,  it's hard for people to pull the trigger. And it's hard for chairmen to point the finger, because there's always the dodgy penalty, the unfortunate injury or the sheer bad luck you can shift the blame onto.

Only some of us see the bigger picture. The failure to make hay while the sun shone will be our undoing.

And that is not the fault of injuries, it is not the fault of a referee and over 38 games it is not a case of bad luck.

However, it may well be the fault of an American , a custodian, or his trusted business minded employees, who rejected the advice of a few hundred brummie 'thugs' (oh, the silent majority, a phrase used when it suits) because they thought they knew better.


Well guess what. We were right. You were wrong. You have two choices- sack him or sell up.

It reminds me of the old argument of symptom vs. cause.  For me McLeish is a symptom not the real cause of the mess we find ourselves in.  The real cause is the terrible decisions made by the heirarchy over a couple of years and their seeming lack of understanding when it comes to running a football club.  They are the ones who appointed McLeish after all, despite his poor record in the Premiership.  In many cases of symptom and cause, we tend to focus on the symptom as it is often seen as an easy fix and ignore the fundamental changes that are required.  Whose to say if McLeish goes, we won't see an even poorer appointment.  McLeish deserves blame for our predicament, but we cannot lose sight of who appointed him in the first place and some of the other decisions that have been made.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adam#1 on April 25, 2012, 05:05:39 AM
Thoroughly agree with the symptom argument. We rode well when the American arrived due to (whisper it quietly) a good football appointment by Ellis - O'Neill, and someone (RL) prepared to splash cash over a finite amount of time. Once we'd failed to achieve his game plan of CL football in that time, then the money stopped and it was balance the books time by people who have less understanding of the game than any of us on this site. It was always going to go pear shaped once the money dried up. We're back to a worse situation than we were with Deadly Doug. At less he understood football whilst being tight with cash and out of touch with the fans. This lot are tight with cash, have shown that their plastic way of dealing with fans is, well, plastic, and that they don't understand football.

Bring back Doug!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 05:36:23 AM
Has the ****** been sacked yet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adam#1 on April 25, 2012, 05:37:26 AM
What Doug? I think he's been sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 25, 2012, 05:51:27 AM
Lerner is such a incapable owner of a football club, I could imagine a scenario of him sacking Mcleish and them reappointing him in the summer on the grounds that we need someone with the experience of getting a team straight back up out of the Championship at the first time of asking.

I now rate Mcleish lower than McNeil in the canon of worst Villa managers.  McNeil at least managed to affect not giving a shit, which made you wonder if he could have perhaps done better.  This is - and was always - as good as we were ever going to get with Mcleish.  He had the track record to prove it. 

What price now, "experience of managing a Premier League club", Mr Lerner?  Experience suggests you've learnt from your mistakes.  McLeish is actually doing the exact opposite - following the same disasterous path that he did 12 months ago.  Only difference is there's no fool and his money poised to pay us compensation to take him off our books.

This whole thing is so laughably predictable if it wasn't so sad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 25, 2012, 06:07:44 AM
      
“There is only one thing more painful than learning from experience and that is not learning from experience.”

-Archibald MacLeish, what a coincidence.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 25, 2012, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
It all becomes very hollow when you see that doesn't it. Wonder if the Browns have the same!
Empty sloganeering and bullshit is all part of American culture isnt it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 06:44:07 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 25, 2012, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
It all becomes very hollow when you see that doesn't it. Wonder if the Browns have the same!
Empty sloganeering and bullshit is all part of American culture isnt it?

When i saw that site earlier it just became totally clear that we'd been had.  Bullshit artists.

I seem to recall a few years back a poster calling the General out for basically being full of shit - it went a little over the top and there was the predictable mass hysteria.

Turns out that poster seems to have been right all along.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on April 25, 2012, 06:54:35 AM
As I posted a while ago for the owner and his hirelings it is not about football it is about marketing a "product".   Liverpool are on the same slippery slope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 06:56:19 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 06:44:07 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 25, 2012, 06:29:30 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
It all becomes very hollow when you see that doesn't it. Wonder if the Browns have the same!
Empty sloganeering and bullshit is all part of American culture isnt it?

When i saw that site earlier it just became totally clear that we'd been had.  Bullshit artists.

I seem to recall a few years back a poster calling the General out for basically being full of shit - it went a little over the top and there was the predictable mass hysteria.

Turns out that poster seems to have been right all along.
When the going got tough the General fucked off and Randy went into hiding when he should have been over here finding a new manager. AM should have been sacked months ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 25, 2012, 07:00:08 AM
Watched on tv and I saw sid sitting with Stan staunton I wonder if they were discussing how they going to keep us up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
What absolutely boils my piss us the fact that Lerner and Faulkner rushed unto the tunnel to reassure Mcleish that everything was ok and not
to worry about anything I really do utterly despise the pair of them

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 25, 2012, 07:08:21 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
What absolutely boils my piss us the fact that Lerner and Faulkner rushed unto the tunnel to reassure Mcleish that everything was ok and not
to worry about anything I really do utterly despise the pair of them

The fans deserve answers to some tough questions. I hope they're prepared to answer them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 07:19:24 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
What absolutely boils my piss us the fact that Lerner and Faulkner rushed unto the tunnel to reassure Mcleish that everything was ok and not
to worry about anything I really do utterly despise the pair of them


If that's true the Randy can fuck off back where he came from.  There was a part of me still trusting Randy to do the right thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:22:31 AM
You always get the impression with Mcleish is that the situation that we are in us absoloutely nothing to do with him and that he has somehow done us a huge favour in taking the job on . Unfortunately that's what I think the 2 arseholes think as well If we get relegated Mcleish will be completely exonerated from blame
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 25, 2012, 07:24:44 AM
They are backed into a corner without a scooby doo of what to do. They must be shitting bricks or at least I hope they are. This isn't the MLS, there is relegation!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 08:20:17 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:04:49 AM
What absolutely boils my piss us the fact that Lerner and Faulkner rushed unto the tunnel to reassure Mcleish that everything was ok and not
to worry about anything I really do utterly despise the pair of them



I hope it was more a case of checking he was alright after the abuse he received. If they were telling him to ignore us and his job is safe we are absolutely screwed and may as well start forming a new club. Worst home season ever and they're patting him on the back?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on April 25, 2012, 08:35:44 AM
Quote from: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 12:48:10 AM
He won't be sacked.

 And why?

The same reason he hasnt been sacked in his life, despite his questionable career record. And that is.....and he knows this...is if you avoid defeat, and especially heavy losses,  it's hard for people to pull the trigger. And it's hard for chairmen to point the finger, because there's always the dodgy penalty, the unfortunate injury or the sheer bad luck you can shift the blame onto.

Only some of us see the bigger picture. The failure to make hay while the sun shone will be our undoing.

And that is not the fault of injuries, it is not the fault of a referee and over 38 games it is not a case of bad luck.

However, it may well be the fault of an American , a custodian, or his trusted business minded employees, who rejected the advice of a few hundred brummie 'thugs' (oh, the silent majority, a phrase used when it suits) because they thought they knew better.


Well guess what. We were right. You were wrong. You have two choices- sack him or sell up.
3 choices surely sack him and sell up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 25, 2012, 08:37:10 AM
How can AM be surprised at the amount of hate thrown at him he has single handed ruined out beloved club.

We have to show him how we feel again on Saturday forget it's a local derby we are a laughing stock the Albion will murder us.

McLEISH THE WASTE OF SPACE DO THE RIGHT THING AND GO
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: batucada on April 25, 2012, 08:47:51 AM
Why bother going to the match to protest? They dont take any notice. Simply dont go to the match. When the game is played in front of no Villa supporters they'll then get the message.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 25, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
The only way we'll get noticed is if we vote with our feet. Stay away.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:02:42 AM
If Randy truly is still backing him, he is the most incompetant buffoon I've seen in a long long time. On every possible level Mcleish is the wrong man for the job. Wake up Lerner, for fucks sake.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:10:01 AM
In fact keeping him is a complete slap in the face to the fans, who on the whole have been very reasonable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 09:13:43 AM
How can McLeish get up this morning still believing he's the right man for this job. How can Randy still believe this? that's what worries me. If Randy still thinks this, then it shows he should no longer own, and be the the Chairman of this Football club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 25, 2012, 09:19:37 AM
The one thing which would have lifted our spirits on this dire morning would be to here those sweet words-"he's gone". Instead we here the after match Lerner-McLeish love-in. That indeed is the biggest slap in thje face Lerner could do!-Terrible !!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bernie Gallacher on April 25, 2012, 09:21:10 AM
Had to laugh at something my mate's 7 year old son said last night. He said 'Dad, Prince William is a Villa fan isn't he? Shall we ask him to ask the queen to chop McLeish's head off?

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 25, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
I said weeks ago they should have sent him packing and put KMac and Sid in charge. Most of this squad were their charges anyway and they know them inside out. There is no confidence in McLeish from the fans to the players so I see no reason for prolonging the agony.
The last thing we need is more dithering and dodgy decision making from on high. Decisive action, now.

It might be the shot in the arm required to pick up the one lousy win we need.
Everybody is wondering where the next point is coming from so what harm can it do?
I still think we'll limp over the line regardless but I'd rather be proactive and rid ourselves of this albatross immediately.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 25, 2012, 09:25:51 AM
Oh for the days of a walk around Deadly's garden, and then to be shoved out the door with a rose bush up your arse.
What concerns me, is not only the Ginger twat going, but I honestly think the whole coaching set up, and I include  (reaches for tin hat), K. Mc and Sid going as well. K.Mc and Sid were part of last years set up and that was nothing to cheer about. There seems a total lack of football brains within the team, no leaders, no one to change our pace, our shape, when things are going wrong, these are things that can be trained into players, helps alot if it comes naturally, but can be trained into players.
If K.Mc and Sid are to be retained, I think they need to go back to what they were doing very well and that's training the kids, I don't think either are suited to the training and tactics required at the top level.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 09:26:24 AM
If RL was a tad oblivious to our plight then last night he would have been brought up to speed pretty sharpish.  So this morning he has a chance to act.  Stick with a manager who has a rock solid background of being unable to pull teams out of a nose dive  .i.e. AM stays we are down - or sack him and appoint somebody new, anybody it doesn't matter.   If RL takes no actions before the Baggies games then for me he can go.  There will be no trust or confidence left in the tank.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 09:28:40 AM
I really don't understand how Mcleish is still in a job this morning.Lerner has absolutely nothing to lose in getting rid of him, as we all know we are largely relying on results below us.I believe keeping him in charge is putting the team under more pressure because of his history.Unfortunately Lerners ego is bigger than his concern for the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:30:30 AM
Quote from: Bernie Gallacher on April 25, 2012, 09:21:10 AM
Had to laugh at something my mate's 7 year old son said last night. He said 'Dad, Prince William is a Villa fan isn't he? Shall we ask him to ask the queen to chop McLeish's head off?

can we do that  I will check Hansard

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 25, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
We need change McLiesh has been given a chance, he's been a disaster from the start get shot and lets move on, put Sid and KMac in charge for the last 3 games and regroup and let's get a win or 3. McLiesh let's face it had a hard task to win us over but now it's impossible he is on a hiding to nothing, Why the fook was he employed in the 1st place is a mystery.
We've been patient now time to get vocal
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WA Villan on April 25, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
We have no leaders at this club at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
I really think it's a case of fans stopping turning up to the games. I wouldn't normally advocate that, but it's really got that bad. Lerner clearly doesn't care what the fans think unless it hits him in the pocket. He genuinely appears to have no idea what's going on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 25, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
Trouble is PW only one more home game to go, do you think Lerner will give a fuck.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
I wonder if we'll have a lap of honour after the spurs game?....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:49:41 AM
Probably not, but something has to be attempted. Villa are in terminal decline under this manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: levico on April 25, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
I undertand and accept the fact that Lerner has fallen out of love with the Villa and has turned his attention elsewhere. Americans will never truly understand football or what it means to fans and how deeply embedded it is in our British culture. What is now happening to our wonderful club is nothing short of neglect and frankly, who knows how far this could go (Ricoh stadium anyone?).

However, what I can't understand is how Lerner the businessman can sit back and watch a huge business investment flounder. If my company's board saw a potential revenue loss og £50m on the horizon, then heads would be rolling and immediate, drastic action would be taken. I can't beging to understand what's going on in Lerner's brain but I'm getting the impression there is something seriously wrong with psychologically.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 25, 2012, 10:02:19 AM
I don't believe Lerner is a good businessman - he inherited his wealth and acts like a kid with a new toy. Surrounds himself with yesmen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 25, 2012, 10:02:57 AM
Personally I think we should sack him now. Even if we survive by the skin of our teeth this season has been a disaster and he doesn't deserve to be given a chance next season. With this in mind, get rid now. Give it to KMac and Sid for last 3 games, try and galvanise the lads a bit, who knows we might even win a game. Whatever they can't do any worse. He doesn't deserve to be at the club any more. He is a failure. Out now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

Then he's a moron and he will deserve it when the fans stop showing up. Bloody hell this is so depressing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
And not only was it a piss poor appointment football-wise, it drove a massive wedge between the fans and anybody directly involved with the playing staff. So to support the team is almost like supporting McLeish. And it strikes me people are reluctant to do so, even knowing what the consequences are.

And that's the difference between what happened last night and say, QPR's win Vs Spurs the other day, when the fans were vocal and intimidating. United behind the team and in the face of the opposition from the kick off.

The same thing happened with Clough at Leeds and George Graham at Spurs, who were both destined to fail regardless.

If you divide you will conquer and I'm sorry to say Mr Lerner is the man with the mallet in his hands.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
I really think it's a case of fans stopping turning up to the games. I wouldn't normally advocate that, but it's really got that bad. Lerner clearly doesn't care what the fans think unless it hits him in the pockter. He genuinely appears to have no idea what's going on.
Spot on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 25, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
I think sack him now, and we might be able to play enough Football to get us out of this shit
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

Did AVB say he had the backing of the owner as well and we all know how that ended.

Anyway,  I was absolutely livid yesterday and it was the first time ever I booed a manager.  I could not believe what i was seeing yesterday.  When we went up 1-0 i thought thats it in the bag as Bolton did not look like they would score.
I cant believe this mug is still in charge of OUR great club.  Deadly Doug would have got rid ages ago as he clearly knows more about football than that idiot Lerner and Faulkner.  Im seriously worried now about the next 3 games and feel our time has come to an end in the premier league. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

Then he's a moron and he will deserve it when the fans stop showing up. Bloody hell this is so depressing.
I'm clinging onto the faint hope that it's the vote of confidence prior to the bullet
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:11:35 AM
Quote from: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 10:03:45 AM
And not only was it a piss poor appointment football-wise, it drove a massive wedge between the fans and anybody directly involved with the playing staff. So to support the team is almost like supporting McLeish. And it strikes me people are reluctant to do so, even knowing what the consequences are.

And that's the difference between what happened last night and say, QPR's win Vs Spurs the other day, when the fans were vocal and intimidating. United behind the team and in the face of the opposition from the kick off.

The same thing happened with Clough at Leeds and George Graham at Spurs, who were both destined to fail regardless.

If you divide you will conquer and I'm sorry to say Mr Lerner is the man with the mallet in his hands.

The only difference being Clough and Graham were extremely good managers. Mcleish is fucking useless.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

That beggars belief.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 10:15:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

That beggars belief.

No its wholly consistent with the way Lerner and Faulkner have acted throughout this. No matter what the facts are they continue in their blind faith to the detriment of all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: MarkM on April 25, 2012, 10:16:41 AM
After last night, Lerner et al should have called Mcwinless into his office and demanded an explanation!

He should have got a roasting not a bloddy pat on the back.

The performances this season have been shite [and thats giving them credit] there is more atmosphere on the moon then at VP at the moment and there is a huge chance that we will get relegated.

And if we do go down I am convinced that we will sit in the second division for quite a while, the board and manager have made us second division I hope they are proud
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 25, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

That beggars belief.

Yes, but given that pretty much everything he usually says after a match is the opposite of reality, perhaps the same is true here? Actually what Randy meant by 'Don't worry, everything will be ok.' was 'You won't have to worry about any stress very soon.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:23:36 AM
I see Coyle has weighed in with his opinion of the 'abuse'. It's funny how everyone ignores how patient the fans have been given the absolute garbage we've been subjected to.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
What he's using the Proud history slogan.

Jesus, I'm afraid to say I got totally suckered in on that one.

Yep, try this for size:

http://www.bsc.edu/communications/news/2011/bsc-proud-history.pdf

I bet he's at the college gridiron games exhorting the students to get behind "the lads" as well.

I'm afraid The General has been shown up as a complete and utter snake oil salesman.
The man is an embarrasment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:32:57 AM

I spoke with Randy (Lerner) and Paul Faulkner (chief executive) after the game and they were supportive and said to keep your head up.

 
"They said everyone has to stay together and battle through this fight.

"We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.
 

They really have not got the first clue in what they are doing and what is at stake here have they ? It's very worrying that our club is in the hands of these amateurs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 10:35:16 AM
They are all bad as each other!  These clowns are going to take us down.
I wonder what will happen to the Macron deal if we get relegated?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 25, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
What's Coyle said? he can fuck off as well, I wish K Mac had chinned him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: McLeishAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:32:57 AM

"We are in a relegation fight but we have got to rally the troops for the next game.''

Sound like the typical runny verbal diarrhea The General used to inflict on us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:36:38 AM
He basically said 'why can't people express themselves without being poisonous'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 25, 2012, 10:36:47 AM
He's been rallying the troops since August, he couldn't motivate a suicidal man to jump off a cliff
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 10:39:14 AM
What truly worries me about all of this, is how will Lerner run the show if we end up getting relegated. He’s already non-existent and happy to impose strict financial regulations on the team that at best prevent us progressing and at worst have severely endangered our top flight status.  If we are relegated, it will be like a fire sale at Villa and Lerner will certainly have no interest in trying to re-build the mess.

I’m genuinely in fear for future of the club right now, as I get not one single vibe that were we to go down we’ll be able to recover in the way that Newcastle and West Ham have. I sense a sustained period in the Championship whilst our owner does all he can to extradite himself from the situation and leave us ticking over with the bare minimum of cost to himself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:40:03 AM
Blah Blah 'we've got to rally the troops', blah blah 'it's in our own hands'. All these bullshit cliches keep getting wheeled out, it's too late you've had your chance fuck off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villainjock on April 25, 2012, 10:40:38 AM
the only way to hit faulkner is in the pocket,he only knows moneỵ̣! contact Genting and harass them!!!̣ if they wont listen to us then they might listen to them
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
Do you think that at any stage this season Lerner has contemplated relegation let alone planned for it should it happen ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

Did AVB say he had the backing of the owner as well and we all know how that ended.

Anyway,  I was absolutely livid yesterday and it was the first time ever I booed a manager.  I could not believe what i was seeing yesterday.  When we went up 1-0 i thought thats it in the bag as Bolton did not look like they would score.
I cant believe this mug is still in charge of OUR great club.  Deadly Doug would have got rid ages ago as he clearly knows more about football than that idiot Lerner and Faulkner.  Im seriously worried now about the next 3 games and feel our time has come to an end in the premier league.

Didnt Big Eck also say Downing was going nowhere... lol
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
 To be honest if you reflect over the last couple of years, our collapse has been remarkable. Genuinely I don't think anyone looking to plan the demise of a club could have done a more complete job than our owner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 25, 2012, 10:48:59 AM
Its like watching an episode of Dads Army, Mcwanker being Corporal Jones, "Dont panic" and Lerner being Mannering.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: clash city rocker on April 25, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
Do you think that at any stage this season Lerner has contemplated relegation let alone planned for it should it happen ?
He behaves like he doesn't know it exists
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: steve.t on April 25, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Having had a season ticket since 1989 I decided not to have one this year for financial and work commitment reasons, though I would of still got one if a decent manager had been employed last summer.

When AM was appointed it signalled the end of our club trying to compete in the top half let alone the top 6-8. For all Houlliers faults he was trying to improve our club but now we have the worst manager in the premier league and looks set to relegate a club for the 3rd time in 4 seasons.  That's impressive by anyone's standards. I want my club back!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 25, 2012, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
To be honest if you reflect over the last couple of years, our collapse has been remarkable. Genuinely I don't think anyone looking to plan the demise of a club could have done a more complete job than our owner.

And we wonder why MON walked.  Perhaps it dawned on him what a bunch of incompetent tools Lerner, The General and Faulkner all were.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 25, 2012, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 10:45:01 AM
Did AVB say he had the backing of the owner as well and we all know how that ended.

No.  I remember AVB talking about the pressure he was under and the price of failure.  Can't remember him mentioning being backed by the owner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on April 25, 2012, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
To be honest if you reflect over the last couple of years, our collapse has been remarkable. Genuinely I don't think anyone looking to plan the demise of a club could have done a more complete job than our owner.

If it weren't for the vast sumes of money he' s spunked away, one could almost suspect Lerner's a secret Blues fan who went in undercover to screw Villa.  As it is I can only explain it by the fact he is an incompetent idiot.  I still, after all these months, cannot get my head around the logic of him appointing McLeish.  Madness.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: not3bad on April 25, 2012, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 10:45:01 AM
Did AVB say he had the backing of the owner as well and we all know how that ended.

No.  I remember AVB talking about the pressure he was under and the price of failure.  Can't remember him mentioning being backed by the owner.

No.  He definitely said he had the backing of the owner even if they didnt get champions league.  His tune started changing about a week before he got the sack
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on April 25, 2012, 11:30:53 AM
Looking at McLeish's post match interview last night he did seem rather dewy eyed, almost on the verge of tears.  Maybe all this talk of understanding the fans reaction and having the support of RL and PF is hollow.   Maybe the fans reaction got to him and he suspects he's a dead man walking.  Here's hoping the "vote of confidence" has it's traditional follow up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
I just want him out of the club. On a personal level, aside from his tendancy to shift the blame to all other areas, I don't have a problem with him. I'm sure he's not an unpleasant person and once he was offered the job(which was a ludicrous decision) I don't blame him for taking it. He was offered a pay rise and the chance manage a big club.
I don't wish him any harm, and anybody who does has completely lost all sense of reality. However he just isn't up to the job and needs to go, it's the best option for all parties concerned. The club will improve under a different manager, and it can't be particularly nice for him knowing how unpopular he is. He'd not be under so much personal stress if we wasn't in the job. So whether its Alex or Randy who makes the decision, he needs to go and we need a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
AVB had Abramovichs backing before Xmas:

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2066202/Andre-Villas-Boas-backed-Roman-Abramovich-Dreaded-vote-confidence.html


And claimed he had it again in February :

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/18/andre-villas-boas-abramovich-chelsea?cat=football&type=article

Before being sacked in early March.

We live in hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Surrey Villain on April 25, 2012, 11:49:04 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
I just want him out of the club. On a personal level, aside from his tendancy to shift the blame to all other areas, I don't have a problem with him. I'm sure he's not an unpleasant person and once he was offered the job(which was a ludicrous decision) I don't blame him for taking it. He was offered a pay rise and the chance manage a big club.
I don't wish him any harm, and anybody who does has completely lost all sense of reality. However he just isn't up to the job and needs to go, it's the best option for all parties concerned. The club will improve under a different manager, and it can't be particularly nice for him knowing how unpopular he is. He'd not be under so much personal stress if we wasn't in the job. So whether its Alex or Randy who makes the decision, he needs to go and we need a new manager.

The final straw for me last night was McLeish applauding the fans who were booing him as he walked to the tunnel.  Kevin Mac should have chinned McLeish!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
read something earlier that if McLeish manages to do the Birmingham double he would be the only manager in the history of world football to take the 2 major clubs of a major footballing city down in successive seasons.

shocking statistic.

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 12:03:32 PM
All the clubs below us will be praying that we don't sack Mcleish, which is a good enough reason in itself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 12:04:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
I just want him out of the club. On a personal level, aside from his tendancy to shift the blame to all other areas, I don't have a problem with him. I'm sure he's not an unpleasant person and once he was offered the job(which was a ludicrous decision) I don't blame him for taking it. He was offered a pay rise and the chance manage a big club.
I don't wish him any harm, and anybody who does has completely lost all sense of reality. However he just isn't up to the job and needs to go, it's the best option for all parties concerned. The club will improve under a different manager, and it can't be particularly nice for him knowing how unpopular he is. He'd not be under so much personal stress if we wasn't in the job. So whether its Alex or Randy who makes the decision, he needs to go and we need a new manager.

This.

I saw on twitter yesterday a pic of mcleish holding a gun to his head with the slogan "just do it".  I thought it was bad taste.  Yes we dont want him as our manager and he has proved his is, well, rubbish but some of the abuse his gets on a personal level is a tad bit harsh. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
Anyone else feel physically sick when he refers to 'rallying the troops'
Good bloody job the players are not actually 'troops' cause under this clowns leadership we would have high friendly fire casualties and lose any war we face
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
read something earlier that if McLeish manages to do the Birmingham double he would be the only manager in the history of world football to take the 2 major clubs of a major footballing city down in successive seasons.

shocking statistic.

 
There is a first for everything.Just our luck eh!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 12:07:48 PM
I'd have thought that statistic above was only notable as most reasonable owners would't look twice at a manager who had taken their neighbours down the previous season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 12:09:43 PM
We see that as a disgraceful stat but the media pay no attention to it and still think he is doing a decent job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on April 25, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
The only way we'll get noticed is if we vote with our feet. Stay away.

this is the right answer to be honest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 12:07:48 PM
I'd have thought that statistic above was only notable as most reasonable owners would't look twice at a manager who had taken their neighbours down the previous season
Exactly.The reason why it has never happened is that no other owner in their right minds would have employed a manager who had just relegated their rivals.It's highly unlikely it will ever happen again
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/04/25/alex-mcleish-lerner-is-backing-me/

This should cheer everyone up

We have to rally the troops and prepare them for the next game.”



how many times has he said this . Same old record . McCLEISH OUT!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
read something earlier that if McLeish manages to do the Birmingham double he would be the only manager in the history of world football to take the 2 major clubs of a major footballing city down in successive seasons.

shocking statistic.

 

 :o

McLeish is on a misson to destroy football in the Second City.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:17:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:10:49 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on April 25, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
The only way we'll get noticed is if we vote with our feet. Stay away.

this is the right answer to be honest.

agreed. someone said it the other week on here. 2 consecutive empty Villa Parks would see him out the door. Too late for that now, but given the plight, maybe that should have been voiced into some kind of reality instead of the ineffectively organised protests and the idea of a McLeish Out Day.  It probably would of got him sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
How much money did we pay Small Health for this clown .    FFs

He will take us down and Small Heath will replace us .  FFS

It cant get any worse than that . I feel sick .  McCLEISH OUT!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mrfuse on April 25, 2012, 12:27:54 PM
Alex McLeish stay or go?

http://bit.ly/JLLWUf (http://bit.ly/JLLWUf)

I think we all know the outcome of this one!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 12:35:03 PM


We have to rally the troops and prepare them for the next game.”
how many times has he said this . Same old record . McCLEISH OUT!!!!!!
[/quote]

The usual BULL ... I just wrote this to (door?) MAT @ B'ham Mail - (I am so p###ed off with the CRAP they talk ...)

Mat : It IS time for You to be a REAL journalist - STOP regurgitating the rubbish PR sent out from Villa Park & tell it how it REALLY is ! They'll not lock you out & you will gain the respect of your (Villa) readers ! "Alex McLeish vows" is the latest TRIPE we are fed. Fans are NOT idiots , but we ARE treated with contempt. The club is heading for relegation because of this man's incompetence. You know it, we know it - WRITE IT , please !

GET HIM OUT -- NOW !!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on April 25, 2012, 12:39:11 PM
I'm struggling to think of what the criteria for him to get sacked needs to be in the eyes of the board, but surely if we do get relegated then he HAS to go.

Last night was horrendous, and the vast majority of the season has been both embarrassing and abysmal. He has clearly proven that he is a consistently terrible manager and I'd be surprised if anyone else was mentally deficient enough to give him another managerial job once he finally gets the boot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
"We have to rally the troops and prepare them for the next game.”


The Quote SHOULD read " WE HAVE TO RALLY THE FANS & PREPARE THEM FOR THE NEXT MANAGER" ....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:40:35 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on April 25, 2012, 12:27:54 PM
Alex McLeish stay or go?

http://bit.ly/JLLWUf (http://bit.ly/JLLWUf)

I think we all know the outcome of this one!




You cant stop Blose fans voted thou can you .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
He's not going to get sacked.

I actually don't think he'd get the boot if we went down, to be honest.

Lerner and Faulkner have bought into this nonsense and just don't "get" how people can be so angry about it, hence their consoling arm-round-shoulder routine in the tunnel last night.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
All the criteria for him getting the sack has been fullfilled time and time again.I just don't get the reason for him still being in charge and  i am tired of hearing about"it would cost to much to get rid of him".Bollocks!It will cost us far more if we don't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
He's not going to get sacked.

I actually don't think he'd get the boot if we went down, to be honest.

Lerner and Faulkner have bought into this nonsense and just don't "get" how people can be so angry about it, hence their consoling arm-round-shoulder routine in the tunnel last night.


It’s almost turning into an us versus them attitude. We’re the nasty, ungrateful fans stopping an employee of Aston Villa Football Club doing his job and Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee are the consoling club employees there to provide a shoulder to cry on and tell McLeish to ignore the critics.
If this is their attitude to running our club then you can fully understand why many many fans will be justified in telling them where to go next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Shellshocked after last night ...   >:(

We were warned of this awhile ago ... read 'Too Much Sand'  in recent H&V magazine.

PLEASE Go, - NOW !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 12:47:21 PM
Fans are going to have to stop going then , If he is not going to sack the clown .      He needs to wake up NOW!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
All the criteria for him getting the sack has been fullfilled time and time again.I just don't get the reason for him still being in charge and  i am tired of hearing about"it would cost to much to get rid of him".Bollocks!It will cost us far more if we don't.

Agreed. A clear indication of LACK of Business Acumen. Like giving McLeech a THREE YEAR Contract - when he was (allegedly) out of work & had just relegated Blues. Oh, - "and would you like a wage rise, too" ? Faulkener desperate to employ anyone after the MoN debacle.  He has little knowledge of football & has cost OUR club MILLIONS (so far).
MoN's Legal payout... The above mentioned Contract ... and potential relegation. We WILL lose THOUSANDS of fans & MILLIONS of ££££'s.  I have never yet said one word against Mr Lerner - his 'toy' - so, up to him (sadly for us). BUT he is starting to look like the rich man's son who has not had to work for his millions - in danger of blowing it ...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
read something earlier that if McLeish manages to do the Birmingham double he would be the only manager in the history of world football to take the 2 major clubs of a major footballing city down in successive seasons.

shocking statistic.

 

 :o

McLeish is on a misson to destroy football in the Second City.

Maybe its some sort of vendetta?

A factory his dad worked at in Glasgow was closed down and relocated to Birmingham...

He has then made it his life's ambition to make all brummies suffer?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
All the criteria for him getting the sack has been fullfilled time and time again.I just don't get the reason for him still being in charge and  i am tired of hearing about"it would cost to much to get rid of him".Bollocks!It will cost us far more if we don't.

Agreed. A clear indication of LACK of Business Acumen. Like giving McLeech a THREE YEAR Contract - when he was (allegedly) out of work & had just relegated Blues. Oh, - "and would you like a wage rise, too" ? Faulkener desperate to employ anyone after the MoN debacle.  He has little knowledge of football & has cost OUR club MILLIONS (so far).
MoN's Legal payout... The above mentioned Contract ... and potential relegation. We WILL lose THOUSANDS of fans & MILLIONS of ££££'s.  I have never yet said one word against Mr Lerner - his 'toy' - so, up to him (sadly for us). BUT he is starting to look like the rich man's son who has not had to work for his millions - in danger of blowing it ...
My feelings exactly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 12:01:06 PM
read something earlier that if McLeish manages to do the Birmingham double he would be the only manager in the history of world football to take the 2 major clubs of a major footballing city down in successive seasons.

shocking statistic.

 

 :o

McLeish is on a misson to destroy football in the Second City.

Maybe its some sort of vendetta?

A factory his dad worked at in Glasgow was closed down and relocated to Birmingham...

He has then made it his life's ambition to make all brummies suffer?

His next plan is to take the Baggies job after Woy leaves for the England role.  He will relegate them and make it a hat trick.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
He's not going to get sacked.

I actually don't think he'd get the boot if we went down, to be honest.

Lerner and Faulkner have bought into this nonsense and just don't "get" how people can be so angry about it, hence their consoling arm-round-shoulder routine in the tunnel last night.


It’s almost turning into an us versus them attitude. We’re the nasty, ungrateful fans stopping an employee of Aston Villa Football Club doing his job and Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee are the consoling club employees there to provide a shoulder to cry on and tell McLeish to ignore the critics.
If this is their attitude to running our club then you can fully understand why many many fans will be justified in telling them where to go next season.


To be honest, Neil, I reckon you're dead right about the "them and us" thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
if Hodgson gets the England job he could always try making it a treble. Fergie would be really impressed then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Zhong Yi on April 25, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
if Hodgson gets the England job he could always try making it a treble. Fergie would be really impressed then.

I would have had Hodgson here & said so... I am beginning to wonder if Fergy's words were irony / taking the P~~~
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 25, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
As I said last night, if he wasn't sacked by this morning, he won't be leaving until his contract is up - or we're in the 3rd division. We're stuck with the inept fool(s).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
The 'them and us' division is insanity as a club needs both sides to be in harmony for the most part to succeed. The fans need the club to be run properly to support with passion, and the club needs the fans there for revenue. If you piss off the fans too much they won't turn up or buy merchandise, that's already started to happen and the club will be stuffed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
All the criteria for him getting the sack has been fullfilled time and time again.I just don't get the reason for him still being in charge and  i am tired of hearing about"it would cost to much to get rid of him".Bollocks!It will cost us far more if we don't.

Thats the thing . I mean the squad he has , he could easily have got us to 10th/11th/12th .  So the difference between this and 17th or even relegation is millions . 

So yes , its cost millions to get rid of him but it will cost us 20 times more If we go down .

every place must be worth  at least 500,000 in the league probably , so I dont get the board being afraid of getting rid of him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 25, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
To be honest, Neil, I reckon you're dead right about the "them and us" thing.

It felt like an appointment to spite us at the time, that's what I could never understand. Pick the manager who will upset the fans the most - you couldn't have found many other 'better' candidates, and now it's coming across that they will stick by their man at whatever cost.

It's very strange, and very worrying, and if nothing changes soon (and by that I mean during the summer) then there's a real chance of some significant long-term damage to this club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
I'm in a strange emotional state at the moment, somewhere between rage and resignation. I'm fuming at what Mcleish through Lerner is doing to the club, but I'm resigned to the fact that Lerner is completely clueless and pig headed and won't back down after making a massive mistake. I'm desperate for the club to turn it round, but I also want Lerner to suffer for his ignorance. It's a very strange feeling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 25, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
I think the reasons for appointing him were fairly simple, if utterly crazy. Randy et al know NOTHING about football. They'd already been run ragged by more capable men in the transfer market up the road at mighty Wigan. They were desperate. Pressure was mounting. Time was running out. They had precious little to offer any new manager in terms of financial backing. They needed a yes man. Someone who was eager to take this job and work under those conditions. But he also had to have experience in the Premier League...

They realised that McLeish would probably make himself available. He fit their criteria. Then, because they know NOTHING about football, they asked someone who does for advice. Like men who know NOTHING about football, they went right to the top for the best advice. Alex Ferguson gave his old player a glowing reference. The rest is history - a very unfortunate chapter in our history, it would appear.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 25, 2012, 01:45:11 PM

  I would'nt have appointed McL, but i was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.Bloooose fans warned me about negative football, but again i put it down to lack of resources and club ambitions.

  However, i am struggling to think of one player who has improved under him.He is one of the 20th highest paid coaches in Europe, but i see no evidence of tactical superiority to most managers in the Prem.I see no attacking structure to the team, i see no plan B, or C.I see no sense of purpose, or fight, or desire, indeed we have too many players going through the motions.

  We need a complete change of direction, a new manager, about 8 or 9 leaving the club as well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on April 25, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
I think the reasons for appointing him were fairly simple, if utterly crazy. Randy et al know NOTHING about football. They'd already been run ragged by more capable men in the transfer market up the road at mighty Wigan. They were desperate. Pressure was mounting. Time was running out. They had precious little to offer any new manager in terms of financial backing. They needed a yes man. Someone who was eager to take this job and work under those conditions. But he also had to have experience in the Premier League...

They realised that McLeish would probably make himself available. He fit their criteria. Then, because they know NOTHING about football, they asked someone who does for advice. Like men who know NOTHING about football, they went right to the top for the best advice. Alex Ferguson gave his old player a glowing reference. The rest is history - a very unfortunate chapter in our history, it would appear.

Very interesting & intelligent comment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 01:52:21 PM
I find the whole thing from start to finish very distressing and deeply upsetting. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fred on April 25, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
If we lose against Spurs the atmosphere will be awful for the last game of the season. What a sad state of affairs for a club that were 6th just 2 years ago.

I wanted to give AMC the benefit of the doubt but think it is best that he moves on and we start again, hopefully the board will make a better appoinment next time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 25, 2012, 01:59:35 PM
Poll in the b'ham mail

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/25/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-97319-30835626/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2012, 01:59:38 PM
Wonder what would have happened if RL had signed Schteve against the wishes of the fans?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 25, 2012, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

I think that's just about the shape of it. Or maybe Randy read Children Of The Revolution, and thought he'd kick off a glorious revolution of his own from the third division?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 25, 2012, 02:02:56 PM
Aston Villa: Alex McLeish - Should he stay or should he go?
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish ran the gauntlet of unprecedented levels of hostility from the Villa Park faithful as the Claret and Blues were plunged into a relegation crisis on Tuesday night.

Angry fans called for Mcleish to be sacked and jeered the manager after the 2-1 defeat to Bolton left Villa three points above the drop-zone.

The club face three crucial games to secure their Premier League status, the Birmingham Mail is asking should Alex McLeish stay or go?


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Score: 1 Name withheld
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Score: 9 wazzman
12:45 PM on 25/4/2012
Pity so many blue noses will affect the true % of us who want the man to go and go NOW. How he had the nerve to clap the fans at the end of that result belies belief. The man has no class no dignity or integrity and NO support from IMO 100% true AVFC fans. If he stays then We stay AWAY. It is not where you came from but where you are taking US.
Leave now and take that other imbecile with you P Grant. A real pair of prize *******
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Score: 4 timbailey
12:46 PM on 25/4/2012
many have shown their displeasure in watching his sytle of football by not putting bum's on seats recently. we "the royal we" should not have gave this man the job. aston villa have always played attractive football and we require a manager that allows this club to do so but if we do get relegated it will require a lot of money and restructuring to bring this club back to it rightful place top six premier league
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Score: 5 Woodchip63
12:50 PM on 25/4/2012
AT LAST!!! I have been asking for this pole to be posted for months now Mat, you have finally decided to do it. Now the board and the Ginger one will realise just how unpopular he is and up to now the figures dont lie I hope Lerner and Faulkner take note that their empire will crumble around them if they dont dismiss the Ginger one and Grant TODAY.
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Score: 8 Phillip5150
12:54 PM on 25/4/2012
Id like to know who is saying stay? Alex, are you out there?

He is a disgrace & a fraud of a manager. Sack him now & let KMAC take charge & give us some dignity.
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Score: -6 stanharland
12:55 PM on 25/4/2012
Excellent Work Agent Mcleish...

Mission almost accomplished, Stay focused , Strong ,
& we wish you Good Luck , Gods Speed ,
& a successful return directly into the NPower .
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Score: -4 Ryan23
1:02 PM on 25/4/2012
what is even funnier about all of this is that McLeish won Blues a trophy and Villa haven't won anything for 16 years, and Villa paid £3 million to take him off Blues hands!
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Score: 6 forevaavillan1
1:03 PM on 25/4/2012
He should of never have become Villa manager never mind should he go! I don't know of one Villa fan who wants to see this Man and his hopo remain at VP.

Off you go now Mcleish and take your baggage with you.
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Score: 1 BradleyBoy
1:16 PM on 25/4/2012
Although the stay figure is gradually reducing, I don't believe the figures for a minute. Granted there may be a few bluenoses voting to muddy the waters but even 5% wanting him to stay is unbelievable. Which begs the question, does the Evening Mail have a hidden agenda to keep McLeish in the job? I seem to remember back to last season, the Liverpool Echo (Evening Mail sister paper) were instrumental in removing Roy Hodgson! What's so different about Birmingham? VTID
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Score: 3 derk
1:17 PM on 25/4/2012
Do we really need a poll to know whatt we have all been saying for months, if it isn't 100% in favour then I suspect blue noses are voting along Mc Muppets family,
and friends, oh yes and his bank manager & accountant
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Score: 4 Tim
1:30 PM on 25/4/2012
Can we have a similar poll for Lerner?
 
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Score: 1 terrygibson59
1:33 PM on 25/4/2012
It is not only a case of should he go? It is also a case of should the owner & his bunch of half wits go with him?
They had the audacity to bring him to this club so they should do the decent thing GO with him. I have not darkened the turnstiles of Villa Park since our monday night capitulation to Tottenham back in Nov. I swore then that while McLeish was in charge I would not be back. It has killed me to see the destruction of my beloved football team but that is what has happened. We deserve to go down as Wolves apart, we are the worst team in the premier league by a country mile. Get out NOW Mr McLeish & let Kevin Macdonald see if he can rescue something out of this dire mess
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Score: 0 upthevilla90
1:40 PM on 25/4/2012
hoping we can stay up allbeit by other teams losing around us cause i cant see another 3 points for us this season then it would be sensible if we got rid of him in the summer i dont see anyone whos gonna improve this team in the last three games jus look at what happened to wolves
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Score: 0 duck
1:41 PM on 25/4/2012
Sacking is to good for him a rope is what's needed
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Score: 1 wembley57er
1:44 PM on 25/4/2012
I dont care where he came from and I gave him a chance. The result a shambles. Players played when out of form, in the wrong positions, just because HE bought them, and finally no tactics apparent nor passionate leadership shown!

After over 60 years of active support, enough is enough. The club rang me last week, as one of their longest holding season ticket holders, they asked am I renewing - my reply, if McClown stays, I go! I go to enjoy my football, not to be depressed week after week.
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Score: 0 MattyP
1:49 PM on 25/4/2012
As I said on another page....if we have to accept relegation in order to rid us of this clueless idiot and his cronies....then so be it.
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Score: 0 Cleef68
1:54 PM on 25/4/2012
A stupid question really. Still, I've put my tuppence worth in seeing as they were asking for it.

His position is now untenable. He will never win the Villa fans over. He has been given a whole season and failed.


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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2012, 02:04:03 PM
Just had a bit of a nose on wikipedia to see if he is officially the worst manager in our history.

It turns out he isn't and can't be before next season.  However:

McLeish 38(9/15/14)
McNeill 41(9/15/17)

So if we lose the last 3 and end up going down he'll have exactly the same record as our worst manager of all time, given other similarities people have pointed out I think it's perfectly reasonable to be absolutely shitting ourselves now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2012, 02:08:49 PM
I remember chatting with friends at the time of his appointment and saying that I hoped we would not get in a relegation battle, as he on both occasions he took Blues down he just simply did not know what to do to arrest the slide.  Although we all took great delight in it, The Blues should not have gone down on either occasion with the team they had and my mind goes back to the the time we beat them 5-1 and just how demoralised and disinterested their players looked on that day in what was a massive game for them.  I have just looked up the report of that game and McLeish's post match comments were, ""We were on the end of a bruising from a really good Villa side.  You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team".  Sound familiar? 

 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
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Aston Villa: Alex McLeish - Should he stay or should he go?
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Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish ran the gauntlet of unprecedented levels of hostility from the Villa Park faithful as the Claret and Blues were plunged into a relegation crisis on Tuesday night.

Angry fans called for Mcleish to be sacked and jeered the manager after the 2-1 defeat to Bolton left Villa three points above the drop-zone.

The club face three crucial games to secure their Premier League status, the Birmingham Mail is asking should Alex McLeish stay or go?


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Score: 9 wazzman
12:45 PM on 25/4/2012
Pity so many blue noses will affect the true % of us who want the man to go and go NOW. How he had the nerve to clap the fans at the end of that result belies belief. The man has no class no dignity or integrity and NO support from IMO 100% true AVFC fans. If he stays then We stay AWAY. It is not where you came from but where you are taking US.
Leave now and take that other imbecile with you P Grant. A real pair of prize *******
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Score: 4 timbailey
12:46 PM on 25/4/2012
many have shown their displeasure in watching his sytle of football by not putting bum's on seats recently. we "the royal we" should not have gave this man the job. aston villa have always played attractive football and we require a manager that allows this club to do so but if we do get relegated it will require a lot of money and restructuring to bring this club back to it rightful place top six premier league
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Score: 5 Woodchip63
12:50 PM on 25/4/2012
AT LAST!!! I have been asking for this pole to be posted for months now Mat, you have finally decided to do it. Now the board and the Ginger one will realise just how unpopular he is and up to now the figures dont lie I hope Lerner and Faulkner take note that their empire will crumble around them if they dont dismiss the Ginger one and Grant TODAY.
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Score: 8 Phillip5150
12:54 PM on 25/4/2012
Id like to know who is saying stay? Alex, are you out there?

He is a disgrace & a fraud of a manager. Sack him now & let KMAC take charge & give us some dignity.
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Score: -6 stanharland
12:55 PM on 25/4/2012
Excellent Work Agent Mcleish...

Mission almost accomplished, Stay focused , Strong ,
& we wish you Good Luck , Gods Speed ,
& a successful return directly into the NPower .
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Score: -4 Ryan23
1:02 PM on 25/4/2012
what is even funnier about all of this is that McLeish won Blues a trophy and Villa haven't won anything for 16 years, and Villa paid £3 million to take him off Blues hands!
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Score: 6 forevaavillan1
1:03 PM on 25/4/2012
He should of never have become Villa manager never mind should he go! I don't know of one Villa fan who wants to see this Man and his hopo remain at VP.

Off you go now Mcleish and take your baggage with you.
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Score: 1 BradleyBoy
1:16 PM on 25/4/2012
Although the stay figure is gradually reducing, I don't believe the figures for a minute. Granted there may be a few bluenoses voting to muddy the waters but even 5% wanting him to stay is unbelievable. Which begs the question, does the Evening Mail have a hidden agenda to keep McLeish in the job? I seem to remember back to last season, the Liverpool Echo (Evening Mail sister paper) were instrumental in removing Roy Hodgson! What's so different about Birmingham? VTID
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Score: 3 derk
1:17 PM on 25/4/2012
Do we really need a poll to know whatt we have all been saying for months, if it isn't 100% in favour then I suspect blue noses are voting along Mc Muppets family,
and friends, oh yes and his bank manager & accountant
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Score: 4 Tim
1:30 PM on 25/4/2012
Can we have a similar poll for Lerner?
 
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Score: 1 terrygibson59
1:33 PM on 25/4/2012
It is not only a case of should he go? It is also a case of should the owner & his bunch of half wits go with him?
They had the audacity to bring him to this club so they should do the decent thing GO with him. I have not darkened the turnstiles of Villa Park since our monday night capitulation to Tottenham back in Nov. I swore then that while McLeish was in charge I would not be back. It has killed me to see the destruction of my beloved football team but that is what has happened. We deserve to go down as Wolves apart, we are the worst team in the premier league by a country mile. Get out NOW Mr McLeish & let Kevin Macdonald see if he can rescue something out of this dire mess
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Score: 0 upthevilla90
1:40 PM on 25/4/2012
hoping we can stay up allbeit by other teams losing around us cause i cant see another 3 points for us this season then it would be sensible if we got rid of him in the summer i dont see anyone whos gonna improve this team in the last three games jus look at what happened to wolves
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Score: 0 duck
1:41 PM on 25/4/2012
Sacking is to good for him a rope is what's needed
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Score: 1 wembley57er
1:44 PM on 25/4/2012
I dont care where he came from and I gave him a chance. The result a shambles. Players played when out of form, in the wrong positions, just because HE bought them, and finally no tactics apparent nor passionate leadership shown!

After over 60 years of active support, enough is enough. The club rang me last week, as one of their longest holding season ticket holders, they asked am I renewing - my reply, if McClown stays, I go! I go to enjoy my football, not to be depressed week after week.
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Score: 0 MattyP
1:49 PM on 25/4/2012
As I said on another page....if we have to accept relegation in order to rid us of this clueless idiot and his cronies....then so be it.
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Score: 0 Cleef68
1:54 PM on 25/4/2012
A stupid question really. Still, I've put my tuppence worth in seeing as they were asking for it.

His position is now untenable. He will never win the Villa fans over. He has been given a whole season and failed.


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Fuck me!War And Peace isn't that long!All the same,interesting stuff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."



Haha and it has  worked out so well ,how many millions will they lose in reegation .idiots
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 01:28:21 PM
I'm in a strange emotional state at the moment, somewhere between rage and resignation. I'm fuming at what Mcleish through Lerner is doing to the club, but I'm resigned to the fact that Lerner is completely clueless and pig headed and won't back down after making a massive mistake. I'm desperate for the club to turn it round, but I also want Lerner to suffer for his ignorance. It's a very strange feeling.
From the moment Bolton scored their second goal, I slumped in my seat, I was totally resigned to the fact that we were too clueless to engineer an equaliser and the reversion to hoof ball was ineffective and quite pathetic.
My mate next to me was raging but at that point i'd had all positivity sucked out of me through McLeish's footballing hex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: boboonthecorner on April 25, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

In recent years I've never known two more clueless ****** than Lerner and Faulkner, the only chance this club has of surviving in The Championship next season is if he sells up and takes his chubby little lapdog with him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ron Manager on April 25, 2012, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on April 25, 2012, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

I think that's just about the shape of it. Or maybe Randy read Children Of The Revolution, and thought he'd kick off a glorious revolution of his own from the third division?
Great that means we will have Tommy Doc as manager once again!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 02:22:51 PM
I wonder what Macron are thinking now that their 'flagship English club' looks like being in the second tier next season! I suppose they'll be hoping that the kit stealers come up to save them some face. Jesus wept!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 02:23:03 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."



Haha and it has  worked out so well ,how many millions will they lose in reegation .idiots
They wont loose anything as it'll no doubt be lumbered on the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on April 25, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

In recent years I've never known two more clueless c***s than Lerner and Faulkner, the only chance this club has of surviving in The Championship next season is if he sells up and takes his chubby little lapdog with him.
I remember getting lampooned by many on here not so long ago for jokingly saying something like 'I could do a better job'.
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Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on April 25, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

In recent years I've never known two more clueless c***s than Lerner and Faulkner, the only chance this club has of surviving in The Championship next season is if he sells up and takes his chubby little lapdog with him.
I remember getting lampooned by many on here not so long ago for jokingly saying something like 'I could do a better job'.

I remember getting funny comments after I said Sunderland WILL finish above us when MON took over.  Oh how right was I!?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."



Haha and it has  worked out so well ,how many millions will they lose in reegation .idiots

If that story is true, then they're not only incompetent they're also masochistic. Idiots.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 25, 2012, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."



Haha and it has  worked out so well ,how many millions will they lose in reegation .idiots

If that story is true, then they're not only incompetent they're also masochistic. Idiots.

If that's true, I'm really tempted to give up my West Brom and Norwich tickets and not renew my season ticket until they've gone.

Sickening how they can treat us like this!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 25, 2012, 02:43:49 PM
he's nailed on to stay if we get relegated, no least because Lerner's investment will take a severe financial hit, irrespective of parachute payments and selling the top earners we don't want, should someone be fool enough to want them. Why add to your financial woes by then sacking his gingerness and forking out compo? It only makes financial sense to axe him if we stay up. I think its pointless looking for a footballing rationale in anything the board do, everything is driven by money.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 02:45:33 PM
What's funny is fans are always criticised, patronised and told they wouldn't have a clue about what it takes to manage a football club. Well I'm pretty sure the vast majority said Mcleish would be a terrible appointment(even if we gave him a chance) and sure enough he's turned out to be a disaster. If anything we underestimated how bad he would be. So in this case the fans were clearly right and the board/media do not have a  bloody clue what they're talking about.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 25, 2012, 02:47:02 PM
Who pays their wages and what do we pay them for? This is The VILLA!! Our Villa!
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 25, 2012, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on April 25, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on April 25, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on April 25, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
My worry is that Lerner and Faulkner with carry on with AM because they do not have the capability or appetite to go through another manager search.

In recent years I've never known two more clueless c***s than Lerner and Faulkner, the only chance this club has of surviving in The Championship next season is if he sells up and takes his chubby little lapdog with him.
I remember getting lampooned by many on here not so long ago for jokingly saying something like 'I could do a better job'.

I remember getting funny comments after I said Sunderland WILL finish above us when MON took over.  Oh how right was I!?

I remember people laughing when I said that McLeish was the man to take us into Europe. Ha, ha. Who's laughing now? Oh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Culture on April 25, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
Well i don't comment on this site very much, but as i watch from over here on the east coast of the USA i feel for everyone who actually bothers going down to watch the team.
I've lost all interest this season-I used to look at fixtures and think `i wonder how many we'll score' now it's the other way round, and like many people on here i can't see us getting another point and am now resigned to see us going down. The worst part is I believe Alex will be here to lead the team out in August!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:52:41 PM
Certainly seems a case of they knew more than us mere fans ...fans have been here before sky ,before super Sunday ,before Arab bilionaries ,200k a week footballers we do actually know something about the game !

It's amazing how not only how far we have fallen performance wise as a club but how the relationship between the board once seen as a guiding light away from the dark days of Ellis has deteriated.

Listening to fans view all the time might not be the best way to run a club but not listening at all is a far worse crime.

Deals with Genting ,Makron and USA tours mean little when you have lost your bread and butter fan base.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 02:53:49 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 25, 2012, 02:43:49 PM
he's nailed on to stay if we get relegated, no least because Lerner's investment will take a severe financial hit, irrespective of parachute payments and selling the top earners we don't want, should someone be fool enough to want them. Why add to your financial woes by then sacking his gingerness and forking out compo? It only makes financial sense to axe him if we stay up. I think its pointless looking for a footballing rationale in anything the board do, everything is driven by money.

If that is the case - it makes more sense to sack him NOW - it's our ONLY way of staying up
(unless others lose all their games - unlikely)

And have they calculated the losses if we go down ? It doesn't bear thinking about.
(we're not just talking money ~ but fans & sucessive generations of potential fans)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 25, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
I remember when it was stated on here that it was a proven fact that AM was a better manager than O'Neill.

It was Malcolm Everall who said it mind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 25, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
I remember when it was stated on here that it was a proven fact that AM was a better manager than O'Neill.
It was Malcolm Everall who said it mind.

Oh dear me!  Really?  :o
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
I hate the ITK bollocks, but here goes.
Spoke to somebody today who is very close to the coaching staff, apparently he is very well liked by all and he is going nowhere, whatever happens.

Apparently the criticism is water off a duck's back to Lerner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 03:07:38 PM
Relegation may cost money but it also saves some. All our world class internationals will no doubt consider division two to be below them and be onto their agents five minutes after the final whistle at Nowich.

So all those naughty big wage earners will be off the bill, exactly as Randy wants. Then you make a big noise about putting trust in youth, conveniently failing to mention theyre all on a tenth of what the outgoing players were on.

Maybe thats been the plan all along...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 25, 2012, 03:10:27 PM
Quote from: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 03:07:38 PM
Relegation may cost money but it also saves some. All our world class internationals will no doubt consider division two to be below them and be onto their agents five minutes after the final whistle at Nowich.

So all those naughty big wage earners will be off the bill, exactly as Randy wants. Then you make a big noise about putting trust in youth, conveniently failing to mention theyre all on a tenth of what the outgoing players were on.

Maybe thats been the plan all along...
That's a hell of a price to pay, especially if the rumours of him selling up are true.  There's no guarantee we would come back
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
I hate the ITK bollocks, but here goes.
Spoke to somebody today who is very close to the coaching staff, apparently he is very well liked by all and he is going nowhere, whatever happens.

Apparently the criticism is water off a duck's back to Lerner.

Brilliant, if that's true Randy is dangerously stupid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
I hate the ITK bollocks, but here goes.
Spoke to somebody today who is very close to the coaching staff, apparently he is very well liked by all and he is going nowhere, whatever happens.

Apparently the criticism is water off a duck's back to Lerner.

In which case - I'll get my coat...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
Would it be the end of the world if we went down, look at Newcastle, it didn't seem to harm them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
Would it be the end of the world if we went down, look at Newcastle, it didn't seem to harm them.
They had a nucleus of players who stuck with them.
If we go down then Ireland, Bent, Given, N'Zogbia and probably Gabby will be off.
Leaving us with a mixed bag of kids and crud like Dunne, Warnock and the bloke who drinks in Wetherspoons pubs.

Add to this our dire financial situation and people in control who couldn't organise a two car funeral, yes, it would be the end of the world.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 25, 2012, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
Would it be the end of the world if we went down, look at Newcastle, it didn't seem to harm them.

be a disaster
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
I hate the ITK bollocks, but here goes.
Spoke to somebody today who is very close to the coaching staff, apparently he is very well liked by all and he is going nowhere, whatever happens.

Apparently the criticism is water off a duck's back to Lerner.

If that is true then it just confirms my long held belief that the club have already factored in a drop off in support for next season and are simply relying on the loyal fans to carry on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
Would it be the end of the world if we went down, look at Newcastle, it didn't seem to harm them.

Yes it would.  I don't like Mike Ashley, but after a few difficult years he seems to have learned from his mistakes, and they've had an unbelievable season.  Lerner on the other hand, seems to be on a race to the bottom, and is seemingly trying to outdo each bad decision with an even worse one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 03:43:28 PM
I really don't know what more we can say.  All the stats and opinions point to AM being the worst manager we have ever had.  The owner obviously has made his mind up regardless of what is going on.
The only option now is to protest and that would make it out fault for not supporting the team.
I really don't know what will happen over the next few games but if this manager stays then we are in long term trouble.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
Ask yourself this if Randy sold up right now what do you think the first thing a new owner would do ?

If Randy is going to back him then history will remember him as just as much a failure as Mcliesh.By going against the majority of the fan base he will leave himself as hated as much as Doug in the end.He is on par with Gillette and Hicks at Liverpool right now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
Ask yourself this if Randy sold up right now what do you think the first thing a new owner would do ?

If Randy is going to back him then history will remember him as just as much a failure as Mcliesh.By going against the majority of the fan base he will leave himself as hated as much as Doug in the end.He is on par with Gillette and Hicks at Liverpool right now.
He has not turned to the darkside yet but it looks like Dougs padwan is on a slippy slope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dingo on April 25, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
If he worked in any other industry he would have walked this morning ,but no he want paying millions for being a shit manager .
Have some pride and walk you ant up to it ginger twat
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish


Yep that is pretty much bang on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 25, 2012, 04:23:23 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9224284/Aston-Villa-officially-enter-the-relegation-race-where-did-it-all-go-wrong.html

In the above artice posted earlier...

Its interesting the views of a non villa support commenting that Mcleish isnt to blame and we "barely have a mid-table quality squad"

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 25, 2012, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

"There are other uncomfortable parallels to be drawn with last season, when Birmingham's campaign followed a broadly similar pattern to Villa's this term, as form fell away badly at a critical stage. Indeed, this time last year, Birmingham were 15th in the table, as is the case with Villa now, but had a four- rather than three-point cushion over the bottom three with three games remaining. Birmingham lost all three matches and went down."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 04:25:51 PM
just seen McLeech's interview : "we simply have to move on "
seems to sum it up, Alex. You ARE talking about you & Grant, - yes ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Spot on!  Where were these journo's earlier this year??
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
I don't know anything about the chap who wrote the Guardian article - maybe he is a Villa boy - but he has certainly grasped the nature of the relationship between McLeish and the Villa fans. It was very unlikely to work in the first place and now appears broken beyond repair.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on April 25, 2012, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Absolutely spot on. The majority of bad feelings towards him from day one were not because of where he came from but his record and style of football at where he came from. The vitriol now is based on performances and results. As someone who was until last night absolutely convinced he would be kept on for next season I agree his position is untenable going forward.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 25, 2012, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish
Hands down the best and most balanced article I've read about us all season.  Is he a Villa fan?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Spot on!  Where were these journo's earlier this year??

Christ almighty, that article is absolutely spot on. About fucking time, too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr Butler on April 25, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
He is on par with Gillette and Hicks at Liverpool right now.

are you sure about that ?


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
3 games left and the media finally wake up and see what a shambles we have been.Bout time some of those on TV relised the same ,none of this he is doing a good job crap.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Witton Warrior on April 25, 2012, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Spot on!  Where were these journo's earlier this year??

Christ almighty, that article is absolutely spot on. About fucking time, too.
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
Quote from: pedro25 on April 25, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
Would it be the end of the world if we went down, look at Newcastle, it didn't seem to harm them.

Yes it would.  I don't like Mike Ashley, but after a few difficult years he seems to have learned from his mistakes, and they've had an unbelievable season.  Lerner on the other hand, seems to be on a race to the bottom, and is seemingly trying to outdo each bad decision with an even worse one.

I agree it would.

Just imagine if we do go down and Lerner doesn't sack McLeish.

Every match will be a toxic atmosphere if anyone actually turns up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
That Guardian article is spot on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
That Guardian article is spot on.
It is, but it will make not an ounce of difference to Lerner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 25, 2012, 04:44:22 PM
Great article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: MarkM on April 25, 2012, 04:48:19 PM
Maybe the light is finally shining on his inability to manage us rather than where he came from, its only taken them till 3 games before the end of the season.

I think they smell blood so they are repositioning themselves accordingly
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 04:49:24 PM
Quote

Just imagine if we do go down and Lerner doesn't sack McLeish.

Every match will be a toxic atmosphere if anyone actually turns up!

Believe me, if he doesn't get the Alan Sugar treatment, his life will be hell.
He'll leave anyway, by the time the lads behind the DougOut have finished.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:03:27 PM
At last, a journalist/blogger who gets it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 25, 2012, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
I don't know anything about the chap who wrote the Guardian article - maybe he is a Villa boy - but he has certainly grasped the nature of the relationship between McLeish and the Villa fans. It was very unlikely to work in the first place and now appears broken beyond repair.

... and I feel it has with the Owner too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Who remembers this?

Quote
Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him."
"First off, NO ONE is confirming a rumour…I am just stating a belief. You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense.

All I am saying is that the fact that he managed BCFC should not be the driving factor. Those fans who X the man out because he managed our biggest rival just seem to miss the point. YES, Randy and the Board understand the feelings of the Fans…we are neither deaf nor blind. At the same time, whether it would be this man or any other, we need to do what we think is right for the Club.

NO action is taken without HUGE input from many knowledgeable people. Honest to goodness, if a single man can cause all the fans to abandon ship, that is a sad state of affairs. What you are basically saying is, "Randy, let us pick the Manager…we know more than you, those who are advising you, those who are in the game and know the individuals, those who make a living recommending managers and players, etc. etc" Sorry, that just doesn`t seem right to me.

Again, I am not confirming the rumour…just simply stating my feelings…as a FAN!!!!!!!!

 :-X
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 25, 2012, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Who remembers this?

Quote
Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him."
"First off, NO ONE is confirming a rumour…I am just stating a belief. You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense.

All I am saying is that the fact that he managed BCFC should not be the driving factor. Those fans who X the man out because he managed our biggest rival just seem to miss the point. YES, Randy and the Board understand the feelings of the Fans…we are neither deaf nor blind. At the same time, whether it would be this man or any other, we need to do what we think is right for the Club.

NO action is taken without HUGE input from many knowledgeable people. Honest to goodness, if a single man can cause all the fans to abandon ship, that is a sad state of affairs. What you are basically saying is, "Randy, let us pick the Manager…we know more than you, those who are advising you, those who are in the game and know the individuals, those who make a living recommending managers and players, etc. etc" Sorry, that just doesn`t seem right to me.

Again, I am not confirming the rumour…just simply stating my feelings…as a FAN!!!!!!!!

 :-X

Was it a Timeshare Salesman?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Who remembers this?

Quote
Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him."
"First off, NO ONE is confirming a rumour…I am just stating a belief. You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense.

All I am saying is that the fact that he managed BCFC should not be the driving factor. Those fans who X the man out because he managed our biggest rival just seem to miss the point. YES, Randy and the Board understand the feelings of the Fans…we are neither deaf nor blind. At the same time, whether it would be this man or any other, we need to do what we think is right for the Club.

NO action is taken without HUGE input from many knowledgeable people. Honest to goodness, if a single man can cause all the fans to abandon ship, that is a sad state of affairs. What you are basically saying is, "Randy, let us pick the Manager…we know more than you, those who are advising you, those who are in the game and know the individuals, those who make a living recommending managers and players, etc. etc" Sorry, that just doesn`t seem right to me.

Again, I am not confirming the rumour…just simply stating my feelings…as a FAN!!!!!!!!

 :-X

Shocking! I bet he regrets saying all that.  No wonder he is back in Birmingham Alabama
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 25, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Spot on!  Where were these journo's earlier this year??

Christ almighty, that article is absolutely spot on. About fucking time, too.

Yep. It's taken Stuart James a while to see through the charade that was "he used to manage the Blues" but he got there in the end.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on April 25, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
He is on par with Gillette and Hicks at Liverpool right now.

are you sure about that ?

Unpopular manager ,lack of investment ,best players sold ..we go down and yes he will be as bad in peoples eyes yes.




UTV
The Doc
Quote from: Dr Butler on April 25, 2012, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
He is on par with Gillette and Hicks at Liverpool right now.

are you sure about that ?


UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Who remembers this?

Quote
Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him."
"First off, NO ONE is confirming a rumour…I am just stating a belief. You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense.

All I am saying is that the fact that he managed BCFC should not be the driving factor. Those fans who X the man out because he managed our biggest rival just seem to miss the point. YES, Randy and the Board understand the feelings of the Fans…we are neither deaf nor blind. At the same time, whether it would be this man or any other, we need to do what we think is right for the Club.

NO action is taken without HUGE input from many knowledgeable people. Honest to goodness, if a single man can cause all the fans to abandon ship, that is a sad state of affairs. What you are basically saying is, "Randy, let us pick the Manager…we know more than you, those who are advising you, those who are in the game and know the individuals, those who make a living recommending managers and players, etc. etc" Sorry, that just doesn`t seem right to me.

Again, I am not confirming the rumour…just simply stating my feelings…as a FAN!!!!!!!!

 :-X

Words fail me.  Talk about your own stupidity coming back to bite you on the arse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
Especially the bit about "check with Sir Alex".  Yes, at work I often phone up our competitors to ask advice about key decisions, it's brilliant business practice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 05:53:06 PM
It just shows how utterly clueless they are.

Well intentioned, but amateurs woefully out of their depth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue on April 25, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
Another interesting article. Seems to sum it all up really.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Well written - worth a read (in case you missed it)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Is someone going to leap to his defence with the
'He wasn't actually a proper representative of the club' bollocks?

I'm afraid he peddled bullshit and it was shortly after that ridiculous post that he conveniently disappeared.

Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Kevin Dawson on April 25, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 25, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Who remembers this?

Quote
Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him."
"First off, NO ONE is confirming a rumour…I am just stating a belief. You all cling to the fact that he has seen his lads relegated twice…well, the first time he was not with the Club long enough to make much of a difference. Secondly, …look at the owners he has worked for and their support of him monetarily. Then look at Randy and what he provides to his Managers. Third, look at his record with other Clubs…as a Manager and player. Check with Sir Alex and ask him about the man…you will get an entirely different sense.

All I am saying is that the fact that he managed BCFC should not be the driving factor. Those fans who X the man out because he managed our biggest rival just seem to miss the point. YES, Randy and the Board understand the feelings of the Fans…we are neither deaf nor blind. At the same time, whether it would be this man or any other, we need to do what we think is right for the Club.

NO action is taken without HUGE input from many knowledgeable people. Honest to goodness, if a single man can cause all the fans to abandon ship, that is a sad state of affairs. What you are basically saying is, "Randy, let us pick the Manager…we know more than you, those who are advising you, those who are in the game and know the individuals, those who make a living recommending managers and players, etc. etc" Sorry, that just doesn`t seem right to me.

Again, I am not confirming the rumour…just simply stating my feelings…as a FAN!!!!!!!!

 :-X

Words fail me.  Talk about your own stupidity coming back to bite you on the arse.

I SO wanted him to get it right here. Not just because I've been coming to Villa Park for 35 years, but because I thought he was a decent man who would be able to motivate the players and who would be desperate to show that he CAN produce teams that play good football. I hold my hand up and say that I've been proved wrong. I can't remember the last time I felt so impressed as a Villa fan - even the 86-87 season wasn't this bad - back then, football was different, and for the whole season (starting with a demolition job by Spurs on the opening day) it looked likely that we'd go down.
He has to go RIGHT NOW to give us, the supporters of this great club, the chance to unite behind the team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
The statement on SSN from the board sounded like a he will be gone in the summer to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 25, 2012, 06:04:40 PM
Where's this statement from Lerner that Mat Kendrick is talking about on twitter? Nothing on the OS.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Yes, but it WAS Risso.
He threatened to shake him about like a rag doll.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 05:43:13 PM
Especially the bit about "check with Sir Alex".  Yes, at work I often phone up our competitors to ask advice about key decisions, it's brilliant business practice.


Well put ...
Terminally naive. Un-fucking-believable !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
Board have released a statement backing him...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:06:50 PM
Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren't able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Yes, but it WAS Risso.
He threatened to shake him about like a rag doll.

Fucking hell, you could have sold tickets for that
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Yes, but it WAS Risso.
He threatened to shake him about like a rag doll.

Did he threaten to kick him to the kerb, like a filthy dog?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:07:43 PM
That club statement has made me feel even more sick than I did last night! For the love of god...............
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:08:01 PM
I think I'm going to vomit
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:08:21 PM
What a meaningless, patronising load of bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:09:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:07:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Yes, but it WAS Risso.
He threatened to shake him about like a rag doll.

Did he threaten to kick him to the kerb, like a filthy dog?

He threatened to rip his arm off and beat him to death with it.

He also stated 'I will beat you so badly that by the end of it, we'll both be crying.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:10:15 PM
I made the fatal schoolboy error last night of somehow watching on with no booze. Tonight however (especially after reading that bs statement from our bollockless board) I am going to make up for lack of booe last night. All of this is like a nightmare. I hope to wake up with a hangover tomorrow and realise that all of this has been a terrible terrible nightmare
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mal on April 25, 2012, 06:10:39 PM
Its time for him to go. When we still had an eleven point cushion I was posting on here that we were in serious trouble and got flamed for being a doom monger and exaggerating the danger - we're 11 points clear!!!
I take no consolation in the perspicacity of those predictions - the end is indeed NOT nigh - and still think that we will actually finish 17th, but F'eck has got to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:10:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)

what a load of crap
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

I SO wanted him to get it right here. Not just because I've been coming to Villa Park for 35 years, but because I thought he was a decent man who would be able to motivate the players and who would be desperate to show that he CAN produce teams that play good football. I hold my hand up and say that I've been proved wrong. I can't remember the last time I felt so impressed as a Villa fan - even the 86-87 season wasn't this bad - back then, football was different, and for the whole season (starting with a demolition job by Spurs on the opening day) it looked likely that we'd go down.
He has to go RIGHT NOW to give us, the supporters of this great club, the chance to unite behind the team.

Well put, Kevin Dawson. 45 yrs for me. I too hoped & the 'anti' fans can now say 'i told you so' to those of us who tried to give the benefit of the doubt. Decent man ? We hoped - if he was, he would fall on his sword for the sake of AVFC. Sadly, he (like others in his job) are coin-operated & will not go because of 'contractual obligations' (Money).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
Quote
Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren't able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)

An example of saying something when it would be better to say nothing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tarzansbrother on April 25, 2012, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)

What a bunch of tossers. Load the gun and get rid
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)


its hardly a vote for the manager though is it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)

An example of saying something when it would be better to say nothing.

Yup.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 25, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
I think after the reaction last night,he'll be gone in the summer,but it may be too late for our season,they should've got rid of him today,gave the job to Kev Mac for three games,the youth would respond to him much more.  I didnt think it was possible for me to feel as bad as i did last night,but i do after reading that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)


its hardly a vote for the manager though is it

The only thing I would note is that they say they "continue to rely on the manager and squad".

Which sounds a bit threatening.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2012, 06:16:09 PM
Fuck them all off! Bastards! Randy is a blithering idiot. He's like a bloody cartoon character. Faulkner is a prick. I'm not alone in thinking that, and always have done since day one. He just comes across as a bit of a pillock who likes the smell of his own farts.


However, doesn't a statement like this in football, normally mean that the manager gets the boot a week later? Here's hoping. Sadly it won't fucking happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 06:16:26 PM
What a load of bollox ..do they expect us to all fall into line with thier way of thinking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:16:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)


its hardly a vote for the manager though is it

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:17:12 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 25, 2012, 06:11:51 PM

I SO wanted him to get it right here. Not just because I've been coming to Villa Park for 35 years, but because I thought he was a decent man who would be able to motivate the players and who would be desperate to show that he CAN produce teams that play good football. I hold my hand up and say that I've been proved wrong. I can't remember the last time I felt so impressed as a Villa fan - even the 86-87 season wasn't this bad - back then, football was different, and for the whole season (starting with a demolition job by Spurs on the opening day) it looked likely that we'd go down.
He has to go RIGHT NOW to give us, the supporters of this great club, the chance to unite behind the team.

Well put, Kevin Dawson. 45 yrs for me. I too hoped & the 'anti' fans can now say 'i told you so' to those of us who tried to give the benefit of the doubt. Decent man ? We hoped - if he was, he would fall on his sword for the sake of AVFC. Sadly, he (like others in his job) are coin-operated & will not go because of 'contractual obligations' (Money).

Same here - I wanted him to succeed, but that wont happen now, so let's say goodbye asap and rebuild....hopefully while the club is still in the EPL.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 25, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
Has a nose hacked into the OS?
What a bunch of wankers our board are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on April 25, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
That statement makes me think he won't be here come the summer whatever happens. It's quite clearly been an unmitigated disaster right from the start.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: myf on April 25, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Makes the club look desperate. oh dear
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 25, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
Has a nose hacked into the OS?
What a bunch of wankers our board are.
Basically another Fuck you , we don't give a shit what you think .Bunch of wankers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 25, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Nobody can second guess our board.Are they tuning the club like Diceman.?
'Just rolled a four Randy that means he stays another year'
'Thanks Paul love you'
'Love you more Randy'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on April 25, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.

Sod that. Publish it and we'll all have a go. Each subsequent action from the board makes my blood boil. There's only one announcement I want to see now on the OS.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:20:30 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 25, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
Has a nose hacked into the OS?
What a bunch of wankers our board are.
Basically another Fuck you , we don't give a shit what you think .Bunch of wankers

Totally. They don't care at all
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.
Done
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:26:14 PM
Just heard PF after the match . All the misfortune McLeish has had he said . The one big misfortune was having him as manager .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)


its hardly a vote for the manager though is it

The only thing I would note is that they say they "continue to rely on the manager and squad".

Which sounds a bit threatening.

Yes. If you rely on somebody, it's not the same as supporting them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 06:27:52 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on April 25, 2012, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.

Sod that. Publish it and we'll all have a go. Each subsequent action from the board makes my blood boil. There's only one announcement I want to see now on the OS.

Beat me to it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:28:01 PM
The club is getting annihilated on Talksport
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:14:19 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Statement from Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2749103,00.html)


its hardly a vote for the manager though is it

The only thing I would note is that they say they "continue to rely on the manager and squad".

Which sounds a bit threatening.

Yes. If you rely on somebody, it's not the same as supporting them.

"Rely" or "Relied" is usually the word the Mrs rolls out to convey to me that she's really *really* angry.

"How could you?"

*points at flames flickering from burning roast in oven that I forgot to take out"

"I was relying on you"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SteveD on April 25, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
Words like "Horizon" and "Destiny," they sound like teams on The Apprentice. In fact, we're a bit like a team on The Apprentice - very little signs of working together, big and obvious errors at the wrong time and lots of kids who talk the talk but don't walk it. The only words we need to hear soon, at the end of the season at least is "You're fired."

Perhaps this isn't really a vote of confidence, simply, this is Aston Villa, it will take us until September to have a replacement lined up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
I can't believe what I have just heard from Paul Faulkner on TalkSport:-
Not once has Alex Mcleish complained about the misfortune he has had to encounter this season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
Almost as bad as what SVC said earlier.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 25, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
If you support somebody, physically you are taking their weight. If you rely on them, you are placing weight on their shoulders. It's a telling difference. They are indicating that it's up to AM to take the burden.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.
Done
Thank you so much.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 25, 2012, 06:31:46 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on April 25, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
I think after the reaction last night,he'll be gone in the summer,but it may be too late for our season,they should've got rid of him today,gave the job to Kev Mac for three games,the youth would respond to him much more.  I didnt think it was possible for me to feel as bad as i did last night,but i do after reading that.

Very much this... give Mac just 3 games . I loved it last night when he had a pop at their bench when things got feisty - took 2 or 3 of our lot to hold him back - then at half time he walked off with Coyle and was laughing his rocks off - passion is what we need now in bucket loads. McLeish meanwhile looked like a frightened schoolkid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
If you support somebody, physically you are taking their weight. If you rely on them, you are placing weight on their shoulders. It's a telling difference. They are indicating that it's up to AM to take the burden.
Does that mean he's going to get the sack?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
I can't believe what I have just heard from Paul Faulkner on TalkSport:-
Not once has Alex Mcleish complained about the misfortune he has had to encounter this season


Jesus wept. For 2million quid a year, you could shit on my chest and I wouldnt complain about the size of each shit
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 06:33:46 PM
As much as i hate to point the finger at Randy after all the good he has done at this club, there does seem to be a 'head in the sand' feel coming from his direction. That statement tonight could well send us down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
The blame lies firmly at RL's door.   Anybody with an ounce of football sense could see this situation coming a mile off when he appointed one of the most negative and hapless managers in the modern game.   What he does in the next 48 hours may well shape the next decade of our club.  Sadly I think he will do nothing.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 06:31:00 PM
If you support somebody, physically you are taking their weight. If you rely on them, you are placing weight on their shoulders. It's a telling difference. They are indicating that it's up to AM to take the burden.
Does that mean he's going to get the sack?

I think it means the statement was scrawled out on the back of an empty fag packet without any kind of thought....so scrutinizing it this closely is meaningless really. In essence the statement says they won't be removing the manager before the end of the season, rather they'll be crossing their fingers and hoping for the best....as they have been doing for ages now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
The blame lies firmly at RL's door.   Anybody with an ounce of football sense could see this situation coming a mile off when he appointed one of the most negative and hapless managers in the modern game.   What he does in the next 48 hours may well shape the next decade of our club.  Sadly I think he will do nothing.   
Have you seen the club statement He's already made his choice
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:36:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
Quote
Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren't able to hold on for the points.





In other words , the manager could not handle Kevin Davis when he came on , as he is tactical  clueless 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 25, 2012, 06:14:59 PM
I've just emailed PF with a copy of that statement saying that its BS and isn't how we feel.
(I know it's no use and it won't be read but surprisingly I feel a little better for doing it)

Please pm me with PF's email address.
Done
Thank you so much.

I've got McLeishs email, its been quite a temptation to write to him whilst drink has been taken but I've resisted so far on the basis of my wife and kids quite like having a roof over their heads.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on April 25, 2012, 06:37:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
Almost as bad as what SVC said earlier.

I was really disappointed in what Stan said aswell.

I one good thing from today is I am pretty confident that no matter what he is gone at the end of the season, because I was really worried they were contemplating keeping him next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:29:26 PM
I can't believe what I have just heard from Paul Faulkner on TalkSport:-
Not once has Alex Mcleish complained about the misfortune he has had to encounter this season


not once did he mention the pile of shite the fans have had to put up with .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 06:41:07 PM
The twat of a presenter on WM has just been on Midlands Today saying that the club statement will pacify Villa fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Yeah, I'd like to know that too?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.

bollocks , I said earlier , If Blose had finished 5 or 6th two seasons running , I would have been happy with him .


IT IS HIS NEGATIVE CRAP HE PRODUCES
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
The blame lies firmly at RL's door.   Anybody with an ounce of football sense could see this situation coming a mile off when he appointed one of the most negative and hapless managers in the modern game.   What he does in the next 48 hours may well shape the next decade of our club.  Sadly I think he will do nothing.   
Have you seen the club statement He's already made his choice

Just read it now.

What a pair of utter clueless wankers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SteveD on April 25, 2012, 06:42:50 PM
I'm pacified. I've been to Peterborough before and the beer in town is excellent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.

Ta.

There has been an element there from the start but now the support has turned against him en masse and I don't see a way back, unless of course he starts winning lots of football games in an entertaining style.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Looking at the table again .  That is scary , and we all knew this could happen .

Except the board ..    McCLEISH OUT !!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 25, 2012, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 06:01:05 PM
Around this time he also came out with the classic 'we'll finish 4th...er, i mean 5th, my hand slipped' comment and as Risso might recall, he more or less offered somebody out on VT.

My opinion of him just went up
Yes, but it WAS Risso.
He threatened to shake him about like a rag doll.

Fucking hell, you could have sold tickets for that

Sadly for you Damon, I never had so much as a cross word with The General on VT.  You'll have to indulge your homoerotic fantasies elsewhere I'm afraid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 25, 2012, 06:52:25 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.

He's just gutted the Wolves have gone down, I'd pay no heed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 06:52:34 PM
Regarding this statement, I'd rather they just say nothing than come out with such patronising shite.

Literally the only good thing about it is that now my hopes of survival have been killed off I can begin the process of convincing myself I don't care, so that by the time we're sent down I'll just be numb to it all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
They don't give a shite.   Get down and support the team the last 3 games but please DO NOT buy a season ticket or so much as a fucking calender until these guys wise up or feck off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 25, 2012, 07:01:17 PM
Avoid talksport around 8 oclock,seems like they're gonna be blaming us,just heard that tool Saggers say' they wanted Houllier and O'Neill out,will they ever be happy'.  We've endured our worse home run in history,and its taken the last week in April for McLeish to finally get some grief,he's been very lucky.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in

There's a middle ground between saying nothing, and spouting shite which just further enflames the situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
He said that despite all the misfortune Mcleish has had to contend with not once has he complained plus basically what was in the statement
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan1975 on April 25, 2012, 07:14:18 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in
They could say we are sorry we hired the clown and now have taken the decision to get rid.
I keep checking to see whether the board have done the right thing hourly without success yet.Come on Randy do the right thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in

There's a middle ground between saying nothing, and spouting shite which just further enflames the situation.


yeah yeah , come on Risso,
 you know that whatever they said it wouldnt be good enough, unless it was 'weve sacked Mcleish' which will happen at the seasons end anyway
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 25, 2012, 07:15:37 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in

Is sadly true John, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
But it's an indicator of the 'them Vs us' mentality we've had to resort to.

 And that IS their fault.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
He said that despite all the misfortune Mcleish has had to contend with not once has he complained plus basically what was in the statement

Good grief.  The only 'misfortune' McLeish has 'suffered' is being given another Premier League job after relegating the same team twice.  I honestly think that the real Faulkner and Lerner must have been abducted and replaced by malevolent Blues fans lookalikes.  Nobody could be THAT stupid and THAT negligent really, could they?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in

I just wanted them to say 'Aston Villa football club have parted company with Alex McLeish '
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hopefully that statement is the standard vote of confidence which historically has always preceded a sacking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
I've just emailed my thoughts to Faulkner. He won't reply and it won't change anything but I feel 0.0001% better now and I can't think of anything else I can do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 25, 2012, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
He said that despite all the misfortune Mcleish has had to contend with not once has he complained

McLeish has never complained...on his £2m salary.

What a fucking trouper he is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 25, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: batucada on April 25, 2012, 01:57:45 PM
When the fans were protesting at McLeish's appointment outside Villa Park a friend of mine (with no interest in football)
was attending a corporate event in the Holte Suite.
He was told by one of the Villa Management.
"The fans can protest all they like. We dont care what they want.  Mcleish is coming here as a business decision and  that's the end of it."



Haha and it has  worked out so well ,how many millions will they lose in reegation .idiots

If that story is true, then they're not only incompetent they're also masochistic. Idiots.


I've been saying this from the beginning of the season, since McL's appointment, and got abuse for it. prepare for another couple of year's of misery if the man is retained.
As far as Randy is concerned it is just business but with us it is very personal!
UTV!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 25, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:23:36 AM
I see Coyle has weighed in with his opinion of the 'abuse'. It's funny how everyone ignores how patient the fans have been given the absolute garbage we've been subjected to.
Mr Coyle was hurling his own abuse at Mcleish during the first half yesterday, he wants to make up his mind whos side hes on the dozy prick.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hopefully that statement is the standard vote of confidence which historically has always preceded a sacking.


well so did i to be fair.

but its a joke on here when people have been banging on about a club statement for weeks, then when they get one they go on about how they dont like what it says , it rediculous
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 25, 2012, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 25, 2012, 07:18:37 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
He said that despite all the misfortune Mcleish has had to contend with not once has he complained

McLeish has never complained...on his £2m salary.

What a fucking trouper he is.


I was thinking the same thing Fletch
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hopefully that statement is the standard vote of confidence which historically has always preceded a sacking.


well so did i to be fair.

but its a joke on here when people have been banging on about a club statement for weeks, then when they get one they go on about how they dont like what it says , it rediculous


sorry, that was supposed to be my reply to Juan Pablo on the previous page,
 i'm getting myself all mixed up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hopefully that statement is the standard vote of confidence which historically has always preceded a sacking.


well so did i to be fair.

but its a joke on here when people have been banging on about a club statement for weeks, then when they get one they go on about how they dont like what it says , it rediculous

If you go out for dinner and wait an hour for your food, complain, and then when it arrives it is inedible, are you not allowed to complain again? This statement has made me and the fans I know feel even worse, they can't even get the basis right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Randy Gurner on April 25, 2012, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
I've just emailed my thoughts to Faulkner. He won't reply and it won't change anything but I feel 0.0001% better now and I can't think of anything else I can do.

What's his email address?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 25, 2012, 07:31:54 PM
Pat Murphy just said crowds reaction is nothing to do with managers past,its the style of football and home record which is the reason. Finally people are starting to realise what we're going on about. Said Mcleish cant wait till summer so he can wheel and deal in the transfer market...ye gods.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hopefully that statement is the standard vote of confidence which historically has always preceded a sacking.


well so did i to be fair.

but its a joke on here when people have been banging on about a club statement for weeks, then when they get one they go on about how they dont like what it says , it rediculous

If you go out for dinner and wait an hour for your food, complain, and then when it arrives it is inedible, are you not allowed to complain again? This statement has made me and the fans I know feel even worse, they can't even get the basis right.

the statement is just standard, its not anything to get worked up about,
 what you want to hear is Mcleish has been sacked, so do i, but it was all about sticking together in the next 3 games, then i think we'l get what we want
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2012, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 25, 2012, 07:09:26 PM
What did Faulkner say on Talksport just after 6pm?  The radio in the car decided to lose its signal, then when it came back on they had a Villa fan responding, saying he didn't want to swear on live radio, so I imagine it wasn't good.
He said that despite all the misfortune Mcleish has had to contend with not once has he complained plus basically what was in the statement

Good grief.  The only 'misfortune' McLeish has 'suffered' is being given another Premier League job after relegating the same team twice.  I honestly think that the real Faulkner and Lerner must have been abducted and replaced by malevolent Blues fans lookalikes.  Nobody could be THAT stupid and THAT negligent really, could they?
It does beggar belief.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 25, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
Quote from: Shrek on April 25, 2012, 06:37:17 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:30:09 PM
Almost as bad as what SVC said earlier.

I was really disappointed in what Stan said aswell.

I one good thing from today is I am pretty confident that no matter what he is gone at the end of the season, because I was really worried they were contemplating keeping him next season.
Stan pretty much always sticks up for whoever is in charge at the Villa at any given time, however both Andy Gray and Ian Taylor have said on Talksport today that the fans discontent is justified ,the results arent good enough, and that the style of play is one of the main reasons for the discontent, moreso than where Mcleish last managed. It was a pleasant suprise.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
People in the media waking up at last.  Build the pressure people.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john2710 on April 25, 2012, 07:49:08 PM
McLeish surely has no future at Villa Park? His fate will be sealed with one of the following;

1. Relegation
2. Season tickets sales should we stay up.

Nobody who cares about the club wants him at the club, he's been given every opportunity and received far more slack than Houllier got last season. He's not and never will be good enough to manage Aston Villa. Nothing he can do from now on will ever change that fact. I just hope we stay up and Lerner accepts that the appointment was a fundamental fuck up.

There is not another club in the country that would have even contemplated appointing McLeish as their manager, so why was he ever going to be good enough for us?

In addition, anybody employed at the club who instigated this appointment should also be sacked.     
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:50:26 PM
Quote from: Randy Gurner on April 25, 2012, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 07:18:26 PM
I've just emailed my thoughts to Faulkner. He won't reply and it won't change anything but I feel 0.0001% better now and I can't think of anything else I can do.

What's his email address?

paul.faulkner@avfc.co.uk

Apparently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.

But but, Stan is a Villa fan, he understands us.

Or he is as i've always thought, a complete tool.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 06:38:32 PM
What did Collymore have to say then?

Words to the effect of that Villa fans have never accepted McLeish because of his Blues connections and that if he won 10 matches on the run with us, we'd want to know about the 11th.

But but, Stan is a Villa fan, he understands us.

Or he is as i've always thought, a complete tool.

Everyone has the right to their opinion, but Collymore is talking bollocks of late.

"If he won them ten in a row, they'd moan about the eleventh" is somewhat pointless and facile when you consider we're staring at our worst home season since 1890-91.

Maybe that's what we're bothered about, Stan?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
I seem to remember Stan saying that results at Villa were the managers fault a few weeks ago!Whats with the change of mind Stan?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 25, 2012, 07:58:00 PM
This is the same Stan Collymore who supported Wolves as a kid ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2012, 07:58:40 PM
Collymore is a journalist/broadcaster, he wants wants to maintain a relationship with the football club.  Pat Murphy has been shunned by Randy over the years and whilst subjective, in my opinion, offers a far more balanced view of Villa's plight.  Seemingly, Murphy has also listened to the fans by announcing the, almost a maxim now "it's not where you've come from, it's where he's taking them". People forget, Collymore is a prick and also let us down. He can fuck right off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 08:00:38 PM
It has been refreshing listening to Pat Murphy recently.

Mainly as he's been a bit muffled for the last five years with his head wedged right up O'Neill's arse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 25, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on April 25, 2012, 07:58:40 PM
Collymore is a journalist/broadcaster, he wants wants to maintain a relationship with the football club.  Pat Murphy has been shunned by Randy over the years and whilst subjective, in my opinion, offers a far more balanced view of Villa's plight.  Seemingly, Murphy has also listened to the fans by announcing the, almost a maxim now "it's not where you've come from, it's where he's taking them". People forget, Collymore is a prick and also let us down. He can fuck right off.

It's funny because he talks a lot of sense about every other club but can't get things right about the club he supposedly supports.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 08:00:38 PM
It has been refreshing listening to Pat Murphy recently.

Mainly as he's been a bit muffled for the last five years with his head wedged right up O'Neill's arse.

He definitely comes across as almost enjoying himself lately.  He probably thinks Lerner is a twat and is putting the boot in accordingly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
I'm surprised SVC is not being more critical. Maybe having his own collumn in the matchday programme has something to do with it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
you cant moan saying the club never says anything, then when they do complain because you dont like what they say.

they cant say much else really with the situation we are in
They can stop taking the piss and not patronise us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
AM said he was the most disappointed man in the ground yesterday.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
AM said he was the most disappointed man in the ground yesterday.
Wouldn't surprise me if he was.

Who is going to employ him in the future if we are relegated?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 25, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
AM said he was the most disappointed man in the ground yesterday.

Like bollocks he was.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Club statement just out from Lerner and Faulkner

Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren’t able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 08:19:24 PM
Looks like they have taken up sucking cock to try and keep us calm.At least they have made a statement.I can think of a better statement though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 25, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Club statement just out from Lerner and Faulkner

Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren’t able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.

Stable door open, horse already fucked off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 25, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Club statement just out from Lerner and Faulkner

Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren’t able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.

Stable door open, horse already fucked off.
Taking all the other top horses with it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dutchvilla on April 25, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
saying 'we've all got to rally around' is the only thing that they can say - though it also shifts the blame to the fans as though we're the problem not the clueless manager and the players who can't take any responsibility for themselves.

we're faced with 4 scenarios
- stay up, McLeish stays
- stay up, McLeish sacked
- relegated, McLeish stays
- relegated, McLeish sacked

only one of them is a positive scenario... god help us
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
AM said he was the most disappointed man in the ground yesterday.

Like bollocks he was.
That statement is another nail in his coffin.  He is more disappointed than someone who has paid hard earned cash and supported The Villa all their life.
Fuck off and stop insulting us.
Sack AM and put someone in charge who gives a shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: aev on April 25, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Talksport was ok until just now - a Dingle has managed to find a phone box
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 25, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
"If he won them ten in a row, they'd moan about the eleventh" is somewhat pointless and facile when you consider we're staring at our worst home season since 1890-91.

Maybe that's what we're bothered about, Stan?

I think you're wrong there Paulie.  It's our worst home season ever as in 1890-91 we won 5 at home.

From only 11 matches.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: ev on April 25, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Talksport was ok until just now - a Dingle has managed to find a phone box
Yea and talkedshite on talkshite.
If we weren't being discussed I would not be listening.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 25, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 25, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 08:13:38 PM
AM said he was the most disappointed man in the ground yesterday.

Like bollocks he was.
That statement is another nail in his coffin.  He is more disappointed than someone who has paid hard earned cash and supported The Villa all their life.
Fuck off and stop insulting us.
Sack AM and put someone in charge who gives a shit.
You know what, this is the response that has been in my head all day.
Fucking top post!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
I'm surprised SVC is not being more critical. Maybe having his own collumn in the matchday programme has something to do with it.

he is a parady of a journalist along with Robbie Savage I do not know how they get the work  >:(
Title: Re: New Club Statement
Post by: Bad English on April 25, 2012, 08:45:05 PM
Next Villa statement:

"There are no Scottish infidels in Villa Park. Never!"

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all go down"

"I blame injuries - they are marketing for the Americans!"

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Villains."

"Spurs are coming to surrender or be burned with Tom Hanks."

"No I am not scared, and neither should you be!"

"Be assured. Villa Park is safe, protected"

"Who are in control, we are not in control of anything - we don't even control ourselves!"

"We are not afraid of the Wanderers.  Allah has condemned them.  They are stupid.  They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 25, 2012, 08:20:01 PM
Quote from: NeilH on April 25, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Club statement just out from Lerner and Faulkner

Right now everyone connected with Villa is hurting badly.

A win was in sight last night against Bolton after a strong start and the tenacity the team displayed, although ultimately we weren’t able to hold on for the points.

We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.

What matters to us and the Board at this moment is how we, as a Club, handle adversity and the pressure it brings.

Our horizon is the next three games and we continue to be in control of our own destiny.

Young players side-by-side with more senior players are fighting hard for the Club.

They are now preparing for West Brom followed by Spurs and Norwich.

We will continue to support and rely on our manager and the squad and therefore give them our full support.

We are totally conscious, as is everyone at the Club, that this is a very trying time for those who love Aston Villa.

We know that the team will continue to fight through every minute of the remaining games and we hope Villa fans will continue to show their great support.

Stable door open, horse already fucked off.

I don't think that suggests they're looking beyond those three games. So Mcleish might be here for the next three games, but I don't believe it says he's safe beyond that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 25, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
Surely that statement alludes to purely the next three games? "our horizon is the next three games" reads to me like there saying, get behind the team until the end of the season and then we will do something about it "We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely" surely means, were as fed up as you, but sacking the manager now will only further increase the unrest for the players etc. You can but hope.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 08:57:46 PM
Also reading it further and I am clutching at straws. 'Our horizon is the next three games', so their support is for those 3 games. Also 'we openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely.' That would imply they are frustrated with Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
There's a Liverpool fan on TS at the moment who has the cheek to say that we should be supporting the manager Saggers had to remind him about Roy Hodgson
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hoppo on April 25, 2012, 09:02:03 PM
The man is gone end of season no matter what happens. Simples!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on April 25, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
The undertone of that statement is pretty clear to me, aside from spelling it out - we don't like him either but he's here for the next three games so lets get through those - I'm not sure what else they could say.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:02:18 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 25, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
Surely that statement alludes to purely the next three games? "our horizon is the next three games" reads to me like there saying, get behind the team until the end of the season and then we will do something about it "We very openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely" surely means, were as fed up as you, but sacking the manager now will only further increase the unrest for the players etc. You can but hope.....

Exactly how I read it. I really hope we're right, Mcleish absolutely must go. Ideally he'd be gone now, but if it's after the next 3 games so be it. However he must go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 09:02:21 PM
To me it reads like a 21st twist on the old 'dreaded vote of confidence'. The sack used to usually follow soon after a board had expressed its confidence in a manager.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 25, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
Picked up on that too Paul.   


Hopefully  the penny has finally dropped.   Fucking well took long enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on April 25, 2012, 09:02:03 PM
The man is gone end of season no matter what happens. Simples!

As much as i hope that's the case, we could be outside the bottom three on goal difference on Sunday night with two games to go. It needed to be done two months ago, never mind today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 25, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
McLeish will go in the summer. The big questions are if the board capable of hiring a decent manager? And is Lerner willing to go for someone competent rather than someone likeable?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
I guess we'll find out in three weeks time, I just hope that we're still a Premier League club at that point!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: littlevillain on April 25, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
They have absolutely no idea what they are doing. Imagine an englishman buying an american football club in the states and trying to act like you have been a fan of that club for years. You throw some money around, clean up some local landmarks and hire some guy who seems 'nice' to coach it.  How can they possibly understand the real depth of supporting a local club in england when in the states clubs change their names and move cities without blinking an eye.
Americas so vast there's a disconnect from fans to club. It seemed refreshing at first but now when the chips are down you can see they don't know what to do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
Well if it has to be after three games, then so be it. I just hope it isn't too costly. If you read that statement a couple of times, it doesn't look good for Mcleish. If they were fully behind him the reference to him would have been at the top, rather than towards the bottom. Also the reference to him, very much reads 'we're stuck with him for the moment and we need your support for those three games'. The fact 'three games' and 'remaining games' is mentioned twice is quite telling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 25, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
Well if it has to be after three games, then so be it. I just hope it isn't too costly. If you read that statement a couple of times, it doesn't look good for Mcleish. If they were fully behind him the reference to him would have been at the top, rather than towards the bottom. Also the reference to him, very much reads 'we're stuck with him for the moment and we need your support for those three games'. The fact 'three games' and 'remaining games' is mentioned twice is quite telling.

Yes, let's get these three games out of the way, stay in the division, and then next season we'll have to try something different. That's how it reads to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
I'm surprised SVC is not being more critical. Maybe having his own collumn in the matchday programme has something to do with it.

he is a parady of a journalist along with Robbie Savage I do not know how they get the work  >:(

By saying controversial stuff that attracts attention and gets people talking about them and their outlet - in this case talksport. Stan knows what the score is really, he's just doing his job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on April 25, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
McLeish will go in the summer. The big questions are if the board capable of hiring a decent manager? And is Lerner willing to go for someone competent rather than someone likeable?

I hope so, but if we survive relegation, I think he could well get another season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 25, 2012, 09:15:40 PM
We would be better off without him for the next three games
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
I'm surprised SVC is not being more critical. Maybe having his own collumn in the matchday programme has something to do with it.

he is a parady of a journalist along with Robbie Savage I do not know how they get the work  >:(

By saying controversial stuff that attracts attention and gets people talking about them and their outlet - in this case talksport. Stan knows what the score is really, he's just doing his job.

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:19:17 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
I'm surprised SVC is not being more critical. Maybe having his own collumn in the matchday programme has something to do with it.

he is a parady of a journalist along with Robbie Savage I do not know how they get the work  >:(

By saying controversial stuff that attracts attention and gets people talking about them and their outlet - in this case talksport. Stan knows what the score is really, he's just doing his job.

well I guess people must buy into them then
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 09:15:40 PM
We would be better off without him for the next three games

I think we would be, but the club clearly don't want to destabilise further for these three games. I really am hoping reading that he's gone in the summer whatever happens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 25, 2012, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 
That's what the Guardian thinks too

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sSX0vvtsVYAcPSkOd_cicLg/view.m?id=15&gid=football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish&cat=sport
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it) ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on April 25, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
That's Macbeth
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: myf on April 25, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
What is the logic in a vote of confidence for three games? What's the incentive now for am to win/draw the matches? if he thinks he's on his way he'll prob lose on purpose.

If he ain't good enough for next season then get rid now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:30:05 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 
That's what the Guardian thinks too

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sSX0vvtsVYAcPSkOd_cicLg/view.m?id=15&gid=football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish&cat=sport

Yep they've read it exactly how I did. Although I don't think he's been given the three games to save his job, I think they are only keeping him because they don't want to destabilise(which I don't agree with).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on April 25, 2012, 09:15:40 PM
We would be better off without him for the next three games

Undoubtedly, a place or two higher up the league (potentially) without him could go towards the cost of his payoff too! However, I will clutch at the straws that seem to suggest that his managerial demise is imminent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 25, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
The Guardian has finally clocked that its not about where he came from, if the major papers start saying it then maybe the message has finally sunk in: clicky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Now that they've decided to put our Premier League future in the hands of the man who has got us 1 win out of the last 12 games, i suggest the club knock the cold calling enquiring about ST renewals on the head for the time being.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 25, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
That's Macbeth

mutch a do about nothing or if he is sacked a mid summer nights dream  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 09:35:36 PM
As I said earlier I want him gone, but I think some of the abuse is a bit much. He's a football manager, he shouldn't need a police escort out of the ground(which apparently he did). Other than blaming others for his mistakes, I don't have a problem with him personally and if I was offered the Villa job and a massive pay rise I'd take it. However he just isn't up to the job and should be gone, but really nasty personal abuse is uncalled for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?


I've always had him down as a Villa fan and like i said earlier, he has a collumn in the match day programme. Besides, listen to him when we score and he goes beserk.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Like I said when I read it earlier, that statement is as close to gone in 3 games as you could get.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 25, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Also it's quite obvious how they have distanced themselves as much as possible from McCleish. It's massively impersonal. They've gone from "Alex" this "Alex" that, to "our manager" most telling, read the statement when he was first appointed and contrast it with this, he's a dead man walking......thing is are a we the same as a club?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?


I've always had him down as a Villa fan and like i said earlier, he has a collumn in the match day programme. Besides, listen to him when we score and he goes beserk.

Didn't act like a Villa fan when he stood in front of the Holte arms out wide goading us after scoring for Racist FC. Or when he scored at VP for Forest.

Can anyone imagine Knight or Taylor doing the same if they'd scored against Villa at VP?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?



he supports Villa, he was in the Holte end last night, he's always said this when talking about the Villa

and the reason he isnt giving Mcleish a load of grief is because he touted Alex big time before he got the job, and when he got it SVC said he would be great for Villa, i think he now realises he was wrong, but doesnt want to seem hypocritical
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Being in the Holte doesn't mean squat. There's some small heath bint banging on how she was in the Holte last night and how much she loved it.

Loved us losing I should add.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Being in the Holte doesn't mean squat. There's some small heath bint banging no how she was in the Holte last night and how much she loved it.

he trys just a bit too hard to make out he is a Villa fan
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DesBremner on April 25, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 25, 2012, 09:21:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 
That's what the Guardian thinks too

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sSX0vvtsVYAcPSkOd_cicLg/view.m?id=15&gid=football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish&cat=sport

Hallelujah
3 bluenoses have text me this link as well and they agree with it
Lets hope the 'Board' read the Granduid
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 25, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Being in the Holte doesn't mean squat. There's some small heath bint banging no how she was in the Holte last night and how much she loved it.

he trys just a bit too hard to make out he is a Villa fan


yeah, cus its great supporting Villa at the moment isnt it ?
lets pretend to support the Villa then i can ride the glory train to all those trophies,
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Being in the Holte doesn't mean squat. There's some small heath bint banging no how she was in the Holte last night and how much she loved it.

he trys just a bit too hard to make out he is a Villa fan


yeah, cus its great supporting Villa at the moment isnt it ?
lets pretend to support the Villa then i can ride the glory train to all those trophies,

As i've said before, if he's such a lifelong Villa fan why did he goad the Holte when scoring for Racist FC?

And can you imagine Ian Taylor doing that if he'd scored against us?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on April 25, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
If, and its a huge if, he is bright enough to clock the 3 game vote, then surely the dignified way is to walk now, claim constructive and bugger off....... or is that too wishful a bit of thinking. Gordon n Kev    may well keep us up!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: charlie on April 25, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
If, and its a huge if, he is bright enough to clock the 3 game vote, then surely the dignified way is to walk now, claim constructive and bugger off....... or is that too wishful a bit of thinking. Gordon n Kev    may well keep us up!!!

He's not bright enough. If he was he'd have resigned some time ago to avoid having his name linked to yet another relegation. Now his best bet for his own self-esteem is to try and make it not happen, but whether he can or not .....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 10:11:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
As i've said before, if he's such a lifelong Villa fan why did he goad the Holte when scoring for Racist FC?

And can you imagine Ian Taylor doing that if he'd scored against us?

He's a life long Wolves fan*. When he originally came to Villa it was put about that he was a Villa fan, and these days he shows some affection for the club.

(*he used to play footy on the streets of Cannock in a Wolves shirt....as he described in detail on his 606 debut...that was before he got canned for dogging).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on April 25, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
Pat Murphy suggested that the key so far as Lerner is concerned is to get through these next 3 games and then build in the summer through stability. The inference was that Lerner does not want to admit he made a mistake, thinks sticking with his man will reap rewards in the future (like with Man U and Ferguson all those years ago) and has seemingly bought all the excuses McLeish has been selling all season.

I don't think it as cut and dried that McLeish will go in the summer, relegation or survival.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
Looking over it again and reading peoples views here it seems it's almost a humane plea to stop him being personally abused.He will be gone in the summer
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
He's written that when he was growing up his mates were all Wolves but he was Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.



Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Being in the Holte doesn't mean squat. There's some small heath bint banging no how she was in the Holte last night and how much she loved it.

he trys just a bit too hard to make out he is a Villa fan
:-\


yeah, cus its great supporting Villa at the moment isnt it ?
lets pretend to support the Villa then i can ride the glory train to all those trophies,

not for that purpose obviously . when he talks about the Villa i dont feel it from him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
McLeish needs to grow a pair, he's had a few swear words chanted at him, he picks up 2m a year.Big fucking deal. Seems a fair swap.

No-ones burned his car out, killed his hampster or shoved dog shite through his letterbox......yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 25, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
Looking over it again and reading peoples views here it seems it's almost a humane plea to stop him being personally abused.He will be gone in the summer

Like I said the personal abuse is too much. Yes we want him gone, but there's a line.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 25, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
I think McLeish is as good as gone after the season has finished, it will be one of those 'by mutual consent' deals i'm sure where he'll get some pay off. Let's hope he takes Grant and Faulkner with him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on April 25, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
The damage has already been done.  If he goes in 5 minutes or in the summer, it will make little difference.  He should have gone on Feb 26th after the Wigan game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2012, 10:22:41 PM
I'm surprised some more of the big names aren't interested in the Villa job, you seem to get your 3 year contract paid up after a year and on you go to the next job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 25, 2012, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 25, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
The damage has already been done.  If he goes in 5 minutes or in the summer, it will make little difference.  He should have gone on Feb 26th after the Wigan game.
Absolutely. The silence was deafening from Lerner after Wigan away.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.



Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: ez on April 25, 2012, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Des Little on April 25, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
The damage has already been done.  If he goes in 5 minutes or in the summer, it will make little difference.  He should have gone on Feb 26th after the Wigan game.
Absolutely. The silence was deafening from Lerner after Wigan away.

In fairness, the silence is always deafening from Lerner, so no change there!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 25, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: James on April 25, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.



Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?
It went out of the window when the cash flew in!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bad English on April 25, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
Is this a game? Bankers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: Bad English on April 25, 2012, 10:30:21 PM
Is this a game? Bankers.

You didn't spell that right BE, doesn't that word start with a silent 'w'?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on April 25, 2012, 10:39:59 PM
It'll be goodbye Alex McLeish, hello Mick McCarthy.

I don't trust this board at all to make the correct appointment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 25, 2012, 10:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on April 25, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
Pat Murphy suggested that the key so far as Lerner is concerned is to get through these next 3 games and then build in the summer through stability. The inference was that Lerner does not want to admit he made a mistake, thinks sticking with his man will reap rewards in the future (like with Man U and Ferguson all those years ago) and has seemingly bought all the excuses McLeish has been selling all season.

I don't think it as cut and dried that McLeish will go in the summer, relegation or survival.
Pretty much what I posted on another thread a few days ago.
I think RL will stick with AM for 3 reasons:
1. he appointed him controversially against any sense or logic
2. he doesn't want to pay a load more compensation.
3. he's doing the Fergie thing: stick by your man and it will all come good by some sort of miracle

FFS I hope I'm wrong!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lizz on April 25, 2012, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: James on April 25, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.



Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?

Sometimes it's expedient and financially cheaper to pay off a poor performer, trotting out some kind of mutual agreement bullshit than actually sacking them. The money may not compare to football payouts, but the principle's the same.

I'm not sure self respect is as big a thing nowadays as it may have been years ago. I know my limitations, but if someone offered me more money, even though the job was beyond my capabilities, I'd probably take the job in the short term.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2012, 10:44:55 PM
A way out for both McLeish and Randy is to agree to terminate by mutual consent and release some carefully constructed statement.  Both save face, and we don't really care as we get what we want.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: Lizz on April 25, 2012, 10:44:12 PM
Quote from: James on April 25, 2012, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 25, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 25, 2012, 10:11:10 PM
To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.



Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?

Sometimes it's expedient and financially cheaper to pay off a poor performer, trotting out some kind of mutual agreement bullshit than actually sacking them. The money may not compare to football payouts, but the principle's the same.

I'm not sure self respect is as big a thing nowadays as it may have been years ago. I know my limitations, but if someone offered me more money, even though the job was beyond my capabilities, I'd probably take the job in the short term.

But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on April 25, 2012, 11:11:59 PM
If it were written into my contract that I was entitled to it, yes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 25, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: James on April 25, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?

That's the employers problem though. It's not compensation either, it is what (we're assuming) was agreed in the contract - if it doesn't work out, the contract will be paid up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 25, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: James on April 25, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?

That's the employers problem though. It's not compensation either, it is what (we're assuming) was agreed in the contract - if it doesn't work out, the contract will be paid up.

I know that's how the football world works, I was trying to compare to the real world where failure is not rewarded.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it) ;)

Lapworth, allegedly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Yossarian on April 25, 2012, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it) ;)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 25, 2012, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it) ;)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.

He currently lives in the same postal  code as us but been told by a couple of people, separately, that's he's bought a rather expensive house in lapworth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 25, 2012, 11:56:35 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 25, 2012, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 25, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 09:19:01 PM
I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it) ;)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.

He currently lives in the same postal  code as us but been told by a couple of people, separately, that's he's bought a rather expensive house in lapworth.

Great! I wish him a very happy retirement there  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 25, 2012, 11:59:15 PM
^^^^^

like
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
Quote from: john e on April 25, 2012, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 25, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:17:45 PM

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?



he supports Villa, he was in the Holte end last night, he's always said this when talking about the Villa

and the reason he isnt giving Mcleish a load of grief is because he touted Alex big time before he got the job, and when he got it SVC said he would be great for Villa, i think he now realises he was wrong, but doesnt want to seem hypocritical

Or that he knows his paid gig writing in the matchday programme would come to an abrupt end if he caned McLeish on air or in print.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 26, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Like I said when I read it earlier, that statement is as close to gone in 3 games as you could get.

Agreed, that's how it reads to me too.  There's a deffinate inference that the Club is admitting that it's a mess so lets just get through the next 3 matches and that'll be it.

Having said all that, Randy and the Board have been proven to be bullshit artists so it could be just another smokescreen to get people onside for the last few games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 26, 2012, 12:33:47 AM
I can't see Eck getting another job in the Prem for a very long time, and for good reason. Who would realistically employ this man after his successive and nearly routine failures.

Get gone Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 12:43:50 AM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  The language is ambiguous enough to read into it what you want (naturally most want to believe come the conclusion of the third game he'll be potted).

The other concern for me is even if they do make him walk the plank, the utterly shit job both himself and the board have done means that the job is far less attractive than it was just 12 short months ago. Then, we could realistically entertain notions of Hughes, Benitez and co.  Instead, we (somewhat bizarrely) opted to focus almost exclusively on managers who are no stranger to the arse end of the table, in McLaren, Martinez and McPish. 

As things stand now, that lot plus Curbishley  (and minus McLeish obv) might be about the only realistic candidates for the job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 26, 2012, 12:47:01 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 12:43:50 AM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  The language is ambiguous enough to read into it what you want (naturally most want to believe come the conclusion of the third game he'll be potted).

The other concern for me is even if they do make him walk the plank, the utterly shit job both himself and the board have done means that the job is far less attractive than it was just 12 short months ago. Then, we could realistically entertain notions of Hughes, Benitez and co.  Instead, we (somewhat bizarrely) opted to focus almost exclusively on managers who are no stranger to the arse end of the table, in McLaren, Martinez and McPish. 

As things stand now, that lot plus Curbishley  (and minus McLeish obv) might be about the only realistic candidates for the job.

I don't know, actually. Most managers remember our plight into the top 6 and how easy it was to make us a mainstay, its not like we had a team of world beaters.. We're a large competitive club, that is in a massive market. I think the biggest turn off will be the 40k wage cap on incoming transfers and turning our existing talent back into believers. Who ever comes in is going to get a hero's welcome.


edit: Does anyone have any mobile phone video footage from the 85th minute on? I haven't heard the backlash directly but only smothered out by commentators and TV muting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2012, 01:48:32 AM
I've spent the night getting twatted in Liverpool, and unfortunately it hasn't resulted in me becoming more upbeat about our survival chances.

However, Bayern looked boss and very unlikely to give up the big cup to a bunch of monkey spunk addicts from West London, so every cloud.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 01:50:03 AM
Top 4 with MoN and was not good enough! Bottom 4 is better?  The party will continue with a fat lady showing up in a couple of weeks to sing some of our favourites songs. Why have we put up with it so long?
You can't get a price with St Williams on Villa to lose all their last games but I shall enquire on the morrow!
If my mate can turn two bets starting at £50 on chelski at 20-1 into £17k with £500 BM to win on pens, I can have a fiver on a much more likely result!
UTV..sort of!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2012, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 25, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Like I said when I read it earlier, that statement is as close to gone in 3 games as you could get.

agreed Ozz. Just read it and to me was the dreaded vote of confidence. That is, we've got your back for 3 games and you better keep us up. The atmosphere is just too hostile now, and the mere thought of him being here next season will crush any plans the club have of rebuilding again in the summer. The dye is cast and he'll be gone. I'm convinced of it. However, I am a little afraid of the next appointment. One can only hope that they'll get it right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:44:17 AM
Garry Thompson today in the Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2135123/Garry-Thompson-Graham-Taylor-sorted-Aston-Villa-team-need-same.html
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 05:52:45 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:44:17 AM
Garry Thompson today in the Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2135123/Garry-Thompson-Graham-Taylor-sorted-Aston-Villa-team-need-same.html

Fair comment. Especially the bit about his jacket.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:56:14 AM
And an article from the Guardians site from yesterday afternoon, might have already been posted somewhere on H&V but looking to make sure could take a while.http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 06:05:37 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:56:14 AM
And an article from the Guardians site from yesterday afternoon, might have already been posted somewhere on H&V but looking to make sure could take a while.http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Already on this thread somewhere, but worth re-posting for anyone who hasn't read it. I'm a bit surprised Stuart James hasn't written this piece before, he's usually switched on to what is really going on at VP.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on April 26, 2012, 06:11:03 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 12:43:50 AM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  The language is ambiguous enough to read into it what you want (naturally most want to believe come the conclusion of the third game he'll be potted).

The other concern for me is even if they do make him walk the plank, the utterly shit job both himself and the board have done means that the job is far less attractive than it was just 12 short months ago. Then, we could realistically entertain notions of Hughes, Benitez and co.  Instead, we (somewhat bizarrely) opted to focus almost exclusively on managers who are no stranger to the arse end of the table, in McLaren, Martinez and McPish. 

As things stand now, that lot plus Curbishley  (and minus McLeish obv) might be about the only realistic candidates for the job.

I don't know. Since last summer Hughes had to wait half a year to get a job at QPR, while Benitez is working as a pundit at Eurosport.

I think the biggest obstacle to us getting a decent manager (like eg. Benitez) is Lerner's unwillingness to acknowledge that he should hire the best candidate for the post as Villa manager, not the post as his and Faulkner's new best friend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 26, 2012, 06:20:27 AM
Good article from Bruno there. I do like it when old favourites still refer to the club as 'us' when talking about the present day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
I would hope AM's quits. All this talk of saying "I'm not a quitter I can turn it around". A bigger braver man must be able to admit defeat and say "Sorry everyone I tried my best, cheerio" and leave without a big pay off.
But like you say this is football and it is very strange industry indeed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 26, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
I would hope AM's quits. All this talk of saying "I'm not a quitter I can turn it around". A bigger braver man must be able to admit defeat and say "Sorry everyone I tried my best, cheerio" and leave without a big pay off.
But like you say this is football and it is very strange industry indeed.

Ha! You've got more chance of being stuck by lightning! He's not going to give up 4 million quid - in fact I can't remember the last time a manager resigned, that's not how it works these days.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 07:54:59 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 26, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
I would hope AM's quits. All this talk of saying "I'm not a quitter I can turn it around". A bigger braver man must be able to admit defeat and say "Sorry everyone I tried my best, cheerio" and leave without a big pay off.
But like you say this is football and it is very strange industry indeed.

Ha! You've got more chance of being stuck by lightning! He's not going to give up 4 million quid - in fact I can't remember the last time a manager resigned, that's not how it works these days.

It won't just be because of the money either, in his weird wibbly wobbly world he'll be convinced that he's done a good job with us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 26, 2012, 07:56:13 AM
If the Club were foolish enough to insert pay off clause, even in the event of his sacking for finishing in the bottom 6, then they deserve all they get.

Pay offs should only be for Managers who have achieved atleast a pass mark - even if we do stay up this season can hardly be described as that.

If they don't like such a clause they don't get the job, simple as that - we want confident winners not losers on the make.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 26, 2012, 07:56:13 AM
If the Club were foolish enough to insert pay off clause, even in the event of his sacking for finishing in the bottom 6, then they deserve all they get.

Pay offs should only be for Managers who have achieved atleast a pass mark - even if we do stay up this season can hardly be described as that.

If they don't like such a clause they don't get the job, simple as that - we want confident winners not losers on the make.

I know what you mean - it seems ludicrous that the reward for failure is such a huge payout.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on April 26, 2012, 08:08:14 AM
Fewest home wins achieved, fewest Premier League points looking likely. AM can quite rightly point out that he is truly a record breaking manager on future CV's.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on April 26, 2012, 08:09:06 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 06:05:37 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:56:14 AM
And an article from the Guardians site from yesterday afternoon, might have already been posted somewhere on H&V but looking to make sure could take a while.http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish

Already on this thread somewhere, but worth re-posting for anyone who hasn't read it. I'm a bit surprised Stuart James hasn't written this piece before, he's usually switched on to what is really going on at VP.
A very good article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 26, 2012, 08:11:56 AM
Like recent Villa mangers this is the end for him as a manger he won't get a bigger job 3 relegations fights with strong possibility of losing them all ,no club will touch him.

The cold hard truth is after relegation last season few would have employed him still no logical reason why we did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 08:15:38 AM
You could say the same thing about most of our players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 26, 2012, 08:37:07 AM
Cracking article by Thompson there, I still love Sir Graham I wish he was there in some capacity
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on April 26, 2012, 08:55:07 AM
Quote from: Clampy on April 25, 2012, 09:33:37 PM
Now that they've decided to put our Premier League future in the hands of the man who has got us 1 win out of the last 12 games, i suggest the club knock the cold calling enquiring about ST renewals on the head for the time being.
And trying to sell tickets to the friendlies in America. There is a time and place for everything.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 26, 2012, 08:56:29 AM
Huge credit to Stuart Thompson, that is a great article, absolutely spot on. Just wish it was about someone else's club!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 08:58:40 AM
I tell you what given that many of us have interpreted the statement the way we have. He better be gone in the summer or it's not going to be pretty.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 26, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
I did get a chuckle out of one reply that said if Hodgson gets the England job then perhaps McCleish can go to the Baggies thereby relegating all the Midlands, that would be some acheivement. Not only was the article brilliant but most of the replies were intelligent and well thought out. What will the players attitude be knowing there boss is cactus?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2012, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 26, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
I would hope AM's quits. All this talk of saying "I'm not a quitter I can turn it around". A bigger braver man must be able to admit defeat and say "Sorry everyone I tried my best, cheerio" and leave without a big pay off.
But like you say this is football and it is very strange industry indeed.

Ha! You've got more chance of being stuck by lightning! He's not going to give up 4 million quid - in fact I can't remember the last time a manager resigned, that's not how it works these days.

The biggest profile one that springs to mind is Kevin Keegan after England lost to Germany at Wembley.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on April 26, 2012, 07:56:13 AM
If the Club were foolish enough to insert pay off clause, even in the event of his sacking for finishing in the bottom 6, then they deserve all they get.

Pay offs should only be for Managers who have achieved atleast a pass mark - even if we do stay up this season can hardly be described as that.

If they don't like such a clause they don't get the job, simple as that - we want confident winners not losers on the make.

I very much doubt there has ever been such a clause in any manager's contract through the history of football.

Will he walk?  Doubtful, but stranger things have happened.  If, just for a minute, we can escape the 'Alex is the anti-Christ' mentality, then what we might have is a man who sees a job he's done poorly and genuinely wants to put it right.  We may not agree that he can or that he should be given a chance to, but that may be what we have.

As it goes, I think he's lost the fans now to the point where his position has become untenable, so the best thing for everyone is if he goes.  I wouldn't change manager now for fear it would do more harm than good, but late May a parting of the ways is vital for the club to start showing some forward momentum again.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 26, 2012, 09:19:23 AM
He will be sacked if only for one reason, if Randy keeps him on the fall out in season tickets and attendances will devestate earnings and threaten viability. Appointing a new manager especially if he is well regarded could see a resurgence in numbers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2012, 09:20:11 AM
How could it possibly do MORE harm John.  He proved last year he couldn't motivate a team in a relegation scrap, and from a position where it was almost impossible to go down, he somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  He's now replicating the whole sorry debacle at Villa, in a way that is almost a carbon copy of his run in with the Blues.  The man is jus a serial loser.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 26, 2012, 09:20:11 AM
How could it possibly do MORE harm John.  He proved last year he couldn't motivate a team in a relegation scrap, and from a position where it was almost impossible to go down, he somehow snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  He's now replicating the whole sorry debacle at Villa, in a way that is almost a carbon copy of his run in with the Blues.  The man is jus a serial loser.

Well, as things stand it's hard to argue anything positive about keeping him, but we're clear at the moment and he has a history of getting dull draws, a couple of which would probably do the trick.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
We are 6/1 against going down whereas Blackburn are 6/1 on acc to Wm Hill.
QPR 5/4
Bolton 6/4
Wigan 3/1

No worries then? 6/1? Are they good odds?
Edit: 7/2 for McL to go...uuhmm? Dbl perhaps? Sure thing if the awful thing happens!

Maybe I'll just have a few bob on Jason Maguire in 2.30 at Perth today? Railway Dillon 4/1, safer bet!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 09:32:25 AM
Im praying this clown can motivate the players to get aleast 3 points from our last 3 games.  I dont care if its 1 win or 3 draws but we badly need 3 points and i think we will be safe.

Please let these 3 points come at the weekend against the baggies PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE!    :-[
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 09:14:38 AM

Will he walk?  Doubtful, but stranger things have happened.  If, just for a minute, we can escape the 'Alex is the anti-Christ' mentality, then what we might have is a man who sees a job he's done poorly and genuinely wants to put it right.  We may not agree that he can or that he should be given a chance to, but that may be what we have.

   

Wasn't he going to prove the doubters wrong after he got that lot relegated with one of their best ever squads?   And make full use of the better resources here to play the type of football he always wanted to play - attractive, attacking football with  fullbacks overlapping (his words) - to banish any notions that he only sets teams up to defend?

He's full of shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 09:46:02 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 09:14:38 AM

Will he walk?  Doubtful, but stranger things have happened.  If, just for a minute, we can escape the 'Alex is the anti-Christ' mentality, then what we might have is a man who sees a job he's done poorly and genuinely wants to put it right.  We may not agree that he can or that he should be given a chance to, but that may be what we have.

   

Wasn't he going to prove the doubters wrong after he got that lot relegated with one of their best ever squads?   And make full use of the better resources here to play the type of football he always wanted to play - attractive, attacking football with  fullbacks overlapping (his words) - to banish any notions that he only sets teams up to defend?

He's full of shit.

Yes those early claims look even more ridiculous now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 26, 2012, 09:50:10 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 26, 2012, 09:53:07 AM
Well it's Villa in crisis time on the front of the Mail and Deadly is backing McLeish to get top 6 next season (the drugs don't work)

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 10:01:52 AM
Yep just seen that article, he has genuinely lost it if he thinks our kids will get us to top 6 anytime soon. That's under Mcleish especially, but under any manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 26, 2012, 10:03:30 AM
Doug probably means the Championship.

If not, does Doug know something we dont? Is there something happening behind the scenes this summer to justify that incredible claim?
Or is he just a bit... confused in his dotage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 26, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
Stuart James and Neil Moxley get the true word on what's going on at the Villa from a certain fanzine seller who works opposite the church.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
That'd be more realistic. Whatever happens Mcleish has to go, it doesn't matter which way you look at it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 26, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
Why do they use both the same font and the word crisis?  Surely they can vary it a little - 'Villa in turmoil', 'Villa in the shit'?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 26, 2012, 10:09:43 AM
I've just read Doug's quotes where he says Football isn't about management, McLeish is a good manager and it would be foolish to get rid of him. Also he thinks we were upset because he came from Blose and not because he's shit.

You silly, silly old man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 26, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
some fucker has created  some miasma over Villa Park if they can't see the shambles we currently are. Deadly coming out with this idiotic crap about backing gingerbollocks is laughable. I don't know what they are on, but i want some, it might help me through the next three games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 10:14:13 AM
It's weird it's almost like the fans are the only ones who are thinking clearly. Everyone else appears to have had their brains washed by this 'he's hated because he's blues' bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 10:14:13 AM
It's weird it's almost like the fans are the only ones who are thinking clearly. Everyone else appears to have had their brains washed by this 'he's hated because he's blues' bollocks.

Whats annoying is that no matter how loud we shout and say it, it falls on deaf ears.  They always seem to print the fact that he is from blues is the reason we didnt want him!  They seem to ignore the fact that we are saying that we didnt want him as he was rubbish!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rico on April 26, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
The media know very well it's got nothing to do with his previous employment, and everything to do with his track record and his feeble efforts this season. However, it suits them to play on the anti blues theme because it sells papers or gets listeners on the radio. Have you ever listened to Talk shite? They only ever seem to allow dummies on who are quite happy to go along with their party line. What's even more annoying is the ex players or managers who spout the same nonsense. It's not Mcleish that I dislike, it's his dreadfully bad antiquated ideas for football!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 10:34:52 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 10:14:13 AM
It's weird it's almost like the fans are the only ones who are thinking clearly. Everyone else appears to have had their brains washed by this 'he's hated because he's blues' bollocks.

Whats annoying is that no matter how loud we shout and say it, it falls on deaf ears.  They always seem to print the fact that he is from blues is the reason we didnt want him!  They seem to ignore the fact that we are saying that we didnt want him as he was rubbish!


maybe we should just join them, and say 'yeah, thats the reason, we will never accept him because he's a nose, so lets get rid as its never going to work, you were all right all along'

then we can go back to putting people right on the 5 year plan myth, and that Martinez was never offered the job in the first place or whatever it was , i forget
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
'The game isn't about management it's about the players', is an unbelievably stupid statement. Doug must have lost his marbles if he believes that's true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tricky59 on April 26, 2012, 10:48:22 AM
Can you believe it when Deadly says it's not about management.  His memory HAS gone, can't remember him sacking players only plenty of managers.  AM is just never going.  Heaven Forfend!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 26, 2012, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: Ian J on April 26, 2012, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 07:12:13 AM
Well if he does get the push he will have trousered £4m for the remainder of his contract, his reward for being an utter, abject failure.

What a weird world the football industry is.
I would hope AM's quits. All this talk of saying "I'm not a quitter I can turn it around". A bigger braver man must be able to admit defeat and say "Sorry everyone I tried my best, cheerio" and leave without a big pay off.
But like you say this is football and it is very strange industry indeed.

Ha! You've got more chance of being stuck by lightning! He's not going to give up 4 million quid - in fact I can't remember the last time a manager resigned, that's not how it works these days.

The biggest profile one that springs to mind is Kevin Keegan after England lost to Germany at Wembley.


Funny, I recall a certain manager quitting his post a couple of years ago, and the cheeky fucker still managed to screw us for a pay-off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 26, 2012, 10:54:31 AM
Paying off McLeish's contract for failure is morally repugnant - but if the choice is give him £4M or he stays, just pay him off. Keeping him would lose the same amount of money in falling ST's/gates anyway - 5 seconds on a calculator shows that £4M is around 8000 ST's. Get a decent manager in, entertain the paying customer, and he'd be quids in
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: CJ on April 26, 2012, 10:54:31 AM
Paying off McLeish's contract for failure is morally repugnant - but if the choice is give him £4M or he stays, just pay him off. Keeping him would lose the same amount of money in falling ST's/gates anyway - 5 seconds on a calculator shows that £4M is around 8000 ST's. Get a decent manager in, entertain the paying customer, and he'd be quids in

If you consider he has two years remaining and presume the ST sales would increase for both of those should he go, it's actually only 4,000.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 26, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
If someone is shit, I don't understand why you should have to pay them to leave.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Thing is we don't know about the contract. It's unlikely but there could have been a clause put into it to get rid of him after a year for a reduced pay off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 11:08:25 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 26, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
If someone is shit, I don't understand why you should have to pay them to leave.

And that, in a nutshell, is the biggest problem with modern football.

It's not unique to us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Thing is we don't know about the contract. It's unlikely but there could have been a clause put into it to get rid of him after a year for a reduced pay off.
Very unlikely as they would have just given him a years contract,surely? Sounds like Mcleish is holding all the cards.I thought at the time the 3 year contract was unbelievable given the circumstances of his previous club
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2012, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 26, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
If someone is shit, I don't understand why you should have to pay them to leave.

I'd love to know the sum Chelsea have laid out in buying out managers' contracts over the time since Mourinho left.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 26, 2012, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Thing is we don't know about the contract. It's unlikely but there could have been a clause put into it to get rid of him after a year for a reduced pay off.
Very unlikely as they would have just given him a years contract,surely? Sounds like Mcleish is holding all the cards.I thought at the time the 3 year contract was unbelievable given the circumstances of his previous club
Just goes to show what a pair of prats we have in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 26, 2012, 10:09:43 AM
I've just read Doug's quotes where he says Football isn't about management, McLeish is a good manager and it would be foolish to get rid of him. Also he thinks we were upset because he came from Blose and not because he's shit.

You silly, silly old man.

Laughable hypocrisy from Herbert there.

We all know he'd have given him the push long before now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 26, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
If someone is shit, I don't understand why you should have to pay them to leave.
That's contracts for you.

It's the same as chief exec's at large companies like M & S, if they do a shit job they're paid off handsomely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2012, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2012, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: Can Bent Be Bettered!?!? on April 26, 2012, 11:04:00 AM
If someone is shit, I don't understand why you should have to pay them to leave.

I'd love to know the sum Chelsea have laid out in buying out managers' contracts over the time since Mourinho left.

Hasn't Villas Boas cost them £50m alone?  Not just sacking him, but £28m to Porto in compo etc.  Insane.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: remy on April 26, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
One of our main problems is that we dont have a Chief Executive that acts swiftly or decisively. He is a quiet man behind the scenes unlike Levy of Tottenham for example. To me Faulkner looks out of his depth, neither vocal nor approachable.

I beleive all this support Mcleish bollucks is a smokescreen so when it comes to ending his employment they cant go to a tribunal. The pay off sum is correct and we could have 100,000 fans screaming Mcleish for the exit but he wouldnt leave because he is a "fighter" (or £4m at stake - set for life!!!) Hell, I wouldnt care if 1,000,000 supporters were screaming for me to leave, I want my money!!!

The other reason is Stan and Ollie would be left with egg on their faces admitting a poor decision and crap judgement in bringing Mcleish in the first place. To admit that publically by sacking him would of course go back on their words in August when they appointed him with the "we know the fans will crow, but we dont care ad nauseum" and be made fools of in the process.

Either way the club suffers and the fans suffer.  :'(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 26, 2012, 11:57:39 AM
Faulkner and Lerner need to realise that they won't be the first people to have made a managerial appointment that didn't work out. It happens. Actually, it happens quite a lot - managers don't work out. This one hasn't, and he's had a full season to show that he's capable, and he's failed on just about every level. He's had longer to prove he's worth the job than some in recent history.

If it's about saving face and pride, etc, then that's wrong. All they would need to do is say it hasn't worked out, and that's that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-mcleish-fights-on-after-aston-villa-fans-patience-snaps-7679148.html

Good article.Nice to see that the author says we should have been safe well before the injuries hit
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 12:09:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 26, 2012, 09:53:07 AM
Well it's Villa in crisis time on the front of the Mail and Deadly is backing McLeish to get top 6 next season (the drugs don't work)

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/ (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/04/25/birmingham-mail-front-page-today-s-headlines-97319-30840088/)

Tommy Doc's famous quote 'I'm here to get the Villa out of the 2nd division'; and we promptly went into the third comes to mind.  It always makes me smile.
This is the villa!! Our villa. Get rid of idiots who only care about balance sheets and get some proper football brains in! NOW! The money will follow success, and the fans that bring the money in!
UTV!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Boz on April 26, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
The Future of Alex McLeish -  as far away from VP as possible, never to return
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Warnock - 'personaly i feel we are not far of battering a team '

  LOL
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
Not that they should have gave the clown a contract in the first place but at least a  minimum Wage 12 month contract would have been fine .   If you do good alex , we will give you another one , If you do shite  , pack up the haggis and f**k off.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: john e on April 26, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Warnock - 'personaly i feel we are not far of battering a team '

  LOL

my 5 aside team are not that good maybe we could play them 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: john e on April 26, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Warnock - 'personaly i feel we are not far of battering a team '

  LOL


Yeah I had to chuckle, I'm not sure what on earth he's basing that on. We barely score any goals.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-mcleish-fights-on-after-aston-villa-fans-patience-snaps-7679148.html

Good article.Nice to see that the author says we should have been safe well before the injuries hit

"Whereas his fellow Scot, Steve Kean, has endured such vilification all season at Blackburn, Villa's crowd had resisted openly venting antipathy towards McLeish, apparently willing to suppress their misgivings as long as the team kept a respectable distance between themselves and the bottom three."

Stan Collymore should read this after his "if Villa won 10 in a row the fans would want to know where win No. 11 was coming from" bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 12:27:59 PM
;(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
;(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 12:29:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: john e on April 26, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Warnock - 'personaly i feel we are not far of battering a team '

  LOL


Yeah I had to chuckle, I'm not sure what on earth he's basing that on. We barely score any goals.

I think he's just trying to instill a bit of much needed confidence in everyone.  You could say he has a point based on the Bolton game as we totally bossed the first half and missed some good chances.

A totally undeserved 1-0 with it deflecting off Hutton's arse will do me fine though!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 26, 2012, 12:29:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: john e on April 26, 2012, 12:16:40 PM
Warnock - 'personaly i feel we are not far of battering a team '

  LOL


Yeah I had to chuckle, I'm not sure what on earth he's basing that on. We barely score any goals.




Hes right ,  we will ,

two seasons time against Yeovil
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sid1964 on April 26, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
Doug claims that the game is about players not managers!

Just one question for our Doug then.... why did you sack so many Managers????

Lerner and Faulkner have phoned Doug and asked him to do some positive PR for McLeish! what a joke.

Just wait until the Summer if McLeish is still here they will be telling us how well season ticket sales are going, the players we are after...it is all bullshit! - they have made a massive mistake and they know it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-mcleish-fights-on-after-aston-villa-fans-patience-snaps-7679148.html

Good article.Nice to see that the author says we should have been safe well before the injuries hit

"Whereas his fellow Scot, Steve Kean, has endured such vilification all season at Blackburn, Villa's crowd had resisted openly venting antipathy towards McLeish, apparently willing to suppress their misgivings as long as the team kept a respectable distance between themselves and the bottom three."

Stan Collymore should read this after his "if Villa won 10 in a row the fans would want to know where win No. 11 was coming from" bollocks.

Exactly, we've been very very patient. I don't think there is another club where the fans would have put up with the rubbish we've been served up for so long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 26, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-mcleish-fights-on-after-aston-villa-fans-patience-snaps-7679148.html

Good article.Nice to see that the author says we should have been safe well before the injuries hit

"Whereas his fellow Scot, Steve Kean, has endured such vilification all season at Blackburn, Villa's crowd had resisted openly venting antipathy towards McLeish, apparently willing to suppress their misgivings as long as the team kept a respectable distance between themselves and the bottom three."

Stan Collymore should read this after his "if Villa won 10 in a row the fans would want to know where win No. 11 was coming from" bollocks.

Exactly, we've been very very patient. I don't think there is another club where the fans would have put up with the rubbish we've been served up for so long.
I have to agree with this. The team were clapped off at half time but another let down was the last straw for many people. Once the floodgates had opened that was it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on April 26, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
That's right, think about the whinging that's come out of Old Trafford about the Glaziers (still won the Champions League though), the whinging that Wenger has put up with at Arsenal earlier this season (will easily finish 3rd), the boos that MON had at Sunderland the other week (they've had a great run initially) and the abuse that Hodgeson took at Anfield last season (certainly no worse than anything KKK has achieved). 

The media never seems to report this however according to them we don't like AML because he's ex-Blose!

I appreciate that most of the Clubs aboves expectation levels are far higher but we also don't expect the be batteling relegation having won one in 13 and only once at home in 6 months.

Under the circumstances, I think the Villa support has been extremely patient compared to others.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 26, 2012, 12:56:49 PM
Since the game Tuesady, i've wondered a couple of times if Mcleish would still be here if Bolton had gone on to score another couple of goals.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Mcleish now officially the worst manager ever on home form and yet he still has not been sacked? Can we do any worse with a tempoarary manager? The players would surely fight tooth and nail under someone else's guidance for the last three games.

We all have to unite and give him s**t against Spurs to make him fully aware how we all feel. Even the fans who said give him a chance are now finally fed up with him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
He will leave this Summer. I wasn't convinced before, but I am now. I'm fucking sure of it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 26, 2012, 01:32:34 PM
I agree.

Whatever happens, these are the last three games McLeish will have in charge of our club.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: philthebar on April 26, 2012, 01:32:56 PM
Only just got home from Tuesday's debacle.

I have been saying that he should have this summer and the first 2 months of next season before we can rightly and objectively judge. 

I was wrong.

The only reason he should stay until the end of this season is so that if we go down we can't be accused of doing a Wolves and would we debate.  As soon as our status is confirmed, he should go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 26, 2012, 01:33:39 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Mcleish now officially the worst manager ever on home form and yet he still has not been sacked? Can we do any worse with a tempoarary manager? The players would surely fight tooth and nail under someone else's guidance for the last three games.

We all have to unite and give him s**t against Spurs to make him fully aware how we all feel. Even the fans who said give him a chance are now finally fed up with him.


we have every chance of not being relegated, and that is the most important thing with just 3 games left, so i say support the team and lets try and get over the line.

no amount of protest will make any difference now, Mcleish will be a gonner at the end of the season, i would think that decision has already been signed sealed and ready to be delivered.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 26, 2012, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
He will leave this Summer. I wasn't convinced before, but I am now. I'm fucking sure of it.

I thought that last night but I wasn't sure, the statement was ambiguous and Doug's shite comments today don't help either. I'll believe it when I see it. We'll see what Randy does on May 14th. I still think staying up or going down might influence it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: James on April 26, 2012, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
He will leave this Summer. I wasn't convinced before, but I am now. I'm fucking sure of it.

I thought that last night but I wasn't sure, the statement was ambiguous and Doug's shite comments today don't help either. I'll believe it when I see it. We'll see what Randy does on May 14th. I still think staying up or going down might influence it!
This is my worry.The board wouldn't have dared write we fully support Mcleish now and for the foreseeable future, given the current situation,the backlash would have been horrific.I am not fully convinced he will be gone in the Summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2012, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 26, 2012, 05:52:45 AM
Quote from: bones. on April 26, 2012, 05:44:17 AM
Garry Thompson today in the Daily Mail.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2135123/Garry-Thompson-Graham-Taylor-sorted-Aston-Villa-team-need-same.html

Fair comment. Especially the bit about his jacket.

I do miss Sir Graham. Randy could do himself a massive favour in relinquishing his role as Chairman and installing the great man to undergo a thorough clean up at the club. There's a lot of weeds in the garden.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.

Thats correct I was barred for saying he was useless now look at the situation we are in. Was I really wrong in my opinion?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: glasses on April 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Nobody wanted him in the job. When he was appointed, most of us got behind him for the good of the club. Most of us wanted him to do well. Most of us thought it was a bit early to be giving him stick and sacking him in November, as it wasn't a fair amount of time to judge him. And finally, most of us could not give a shit where he came from.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.


That's exactly the point. Many people were unhappy he was appointed, but once he was appointed he became the Villa manager. Therefore he deserved to be given the chance of a fresh start ignoring his poor record in the past. Most fans afforded him that chance and unfortunately he wasn't up to the task. He needs to go, but that doesn't change the fact we needed to give him a chance initially.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mrfuse on April 26, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 25, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
That Guardian article is spot on.

Its almost as if a Villa fan has hijacked the site and wrote it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.


That's exactly the point. Many people were unhappy he was appointed, but once he was appointed he became the Villa manager. Therefore he deserved to be given the chance of a fresh start ignoring his poor record in the past. Most fans afforded him that chance and unfortunately he wasn't up to the task. He needs to go, but that doesn't change the fact we needed to give him a chance initially.

Poor record is a very big understatement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Nobody wanted him in the job. When he was appointed, most of us got behind him for the good of the club. Most of us wanted him to do well. Most of us thought it was a bit early to be giving him stick and sacking him in November, as it wasn't a fair amount of time to judge him. And finally, most of us could not give a shit where he came from.

If we had of sacked him in November maybe we would have been mid table or higher now?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 26, 2012, 02:05:31 PM
Garry Thompson was spot on,he should write in the programme.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from the web
"Rangers' worsening financial state saw many of his top players leave in the summer of 2003. Celtic won the league comfortably in season 2003–04, and Rangers failed to win any trophies.[14] McLeish was consequently put under pressure from fans after his poor signings and a record run of seven consecutive derby losses to Celtic.["

Hmmmmmmm and some fans say we are talking b**locks??????
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Nobody wanted him in the job. When he was appointed, most of us got behind him for the good of the club. Most of us wanted him to do well. Most of us thought it was a bit early to be giving him stick and sacking him in November, as it wasn't a fair amount of time to judge him. And finally, most of us could not give a shit where he came from.

If we had of sacked him in November maybe we would have been mid table or higher now?
We were 8th in November
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 26, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.

Thats correct I was barred for saying he was useless now look at the situation we are in. Was I really wrong in my opinion?
You have certainly mellowed since those days.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.

Thats correct I was barred for saying he was useless now look at the situation we are in. Was I really wrong in my opinion?
You have certainly mellowed since those days.

Ahhhhhhh those were the days when I was feeling irate and p**ssed off at AM now I sit back and think if only other fans had realised then what they know now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
I didn't think it would work, but I was prepared to give him a chance and see through the faults, maybe I'm naive with my optamism?...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 26, 2012, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.

Thats correct I was barred for saying he was useless now look at the situation we are in. Was I really wrong in my opinion?
You have certainly mellowed since those days.

Ahhhhhhh those were the days when I was feeling irate and p**ssed off at AM now I sit back and think if only other fans had realised then what they know now.
When will you start calling for the next manager's head, Borely Wonder?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour I'm afraid to say that he never was.

Are you a relative of his? Go on be honest or are you his next door neighbour? or are you really Alex in disguise? Go on tell the truth
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 26, 2012, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on April 26, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
Warley Wonder, Dazzy G, whatever you want to call yourself, you were talking bollocks. You didn't want him because of where he came from. That's very different to not wanting to watch his soul destroying football.

The point I was making was about his style of play and not wanting him all those months ago I guess you were one of the fans saying i was talking s**t now I guess you too want him out? Or do you still think we are being harsh calling him a useless twat?
You were barred from the site and only let back on for the entertainment value, I heard.

Thats correct I was barred for saying he was useless now look at the situation we are in. Was I really wrong in my opinion?
You have certainly mellowed since those days.

Ahhhhhhh those were the days when I was feeling irate and p**ssed off at AM now I sit back and think if only other fans had realised then what they know now.
When will you start calling for the next manager's head, Borely Wonder?

Aha I wondered when you would poke your head out of the sand ! I doubt I will ever call for the head of a manager again as NO ONE can ever be as bad as the current manager and if we look at his record at home so far there has never been anyone like him (official)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2012, 02:17:46 PM
Can't really be f'eck'ed (geddit!??!?) to look back through the thread, but Stuart James at the Guardian (good record on inside info - first to get the Barry, Milner, Young, Downing and MON discontent stories, among others) is reporting it as McLeish's days looking numbered irrespective of relegation - quite the reverse of the prevailing opinion that he will stay irrespective of relegation. His 'info' does seem a bit based on the statement released by the club, but who knows, he doesn't tend to report frivolously, so there is hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 02:19:33 PM
I would have loved McLeish to have been sucessful. Because I love Aston Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
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Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 26, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: remy on April 26, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
One of our main problems is that we dont have a Chief Executive that acts swiftly or decisively. He is a quiet man behind the scenes unlike Levy of Tottenham for example. To me Faulkner looks out of his depth, neither vocal nor approachable.
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Whatever anybody thinks of Paul Faulkner the one thing that he is,is approachable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2012, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 26, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: remy on April 26, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
One of our main problems is that we dont have a Chief Executive that acts swiftly or decisively. He is a quiet man behind the scenes unlike Levy of Tottenham for example. To me Faulkner looks out of his depth, neither vocal nor approachable.
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Whatever anybody thinks of Paul Faulkner the one thing that he is,is approachable.

And if there's one thing that Levy is, it's unapproachable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2012, 02:19:33 PM
I would have loved McLeish to have been sucessful. Because I love Aston Villa.
Exactly right.
With the added bonus of making the Dogshitters green with envy that we poached their Manager who then did wonders with us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
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Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!
"it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour . "

That's what I was wishing because if he's successful,the Villa are successful Clearly you weren't


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:00:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.


That's exactly the point. Many people were unhappy he was appointed, but once he was appointed he became the Villa manager. Therefore he deserved to be given the chance of a fresh start ignoring his poor record in the past. Most fans afforded him that chance and unfortunately he wasn't up to the task. He needs to go, but that doesn't change the fact we needed to give him a chance initially.

Poor record is a very big understatement.

It doesn't matter though, once he was appointed we needed to give him a chance and most have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

What Warley Wondrous fails to understand is it is because we were patient and gave Mcleish a chance that we can now be justifiably angry with people who still think we are only giving him stick because he came from the Blues.  If we had kicked off when he suggested (i.e. as soon as Mcleish came though the door) then those people who are saying we were giving Mcleish stick for such a shallow reason would have been proven right and we look like right morons.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread

By all means have a debate with each other as long as it stays civil, but please can you both cut down on the mass quoting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread

By all means have a debate with each other as long as it stays civil, but please can you both cut down on the mass quoting.

This.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 26, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread

By all means have a debate with each other as long as it stays civil, but please can you both cut down on the mass quoting.

There's always a lot of mass debating when it comes to Warley Wonder.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 03:00:39 PM
Apologies
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
Nobody 'wanted' him.  But once he got the job, what do you do?

Option 1 is to support him and the club and hope it works out.

Option 2 is to bitch from the outset, mainly to the detriment of the club as a whole, and then languish in the glory of being proven right.

What gets me about the 'I told you so' crowd is their love for the club is so great, they feel their time is best spent reminding us all how they saw it all coming as opposed to offering siggestions for a new manager, discussing how we can get the necessary points from the remaining games or debating the larger and longterm future of the club.  Having said that, if they did I could imagine it being "Anyone but McFuckStain", "Minus 3 unless we sack McCuntyBollocks" and "We don't have one unless McWankPants is sacked, sued and then we bring a criminal prosecution." 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
Nobody 'wanted' him.  But once he got the job, what do you do?

Option 1 is to support him and the club and hope it works out.

Option 2 is to bitch from the outset, mainly to the detriment of the club as a whole, and then languish in the glory of being proven right.

What gets me about the 'I told you so' crowd is their love for the club is so great, they feel their time is best spent reminding us all how they saw it all coming as opposed to offering siggestions for a new manager, discussing how we can get the necessary points from the remaining games or debating the larger and longterm future of the club.  Having said that, if they did I could imagine it being "Anyone but McFuckStain", "Minus 3 unless we sack McCuntyBollocks" and "We don't have one unless McWankPants is sacked, sued and then we bring a criminal prosecution." 

No true Villa fan enjoys being right about McLeish.  However, nobody enjoys spending their hard-earned cash and time watching the shite that McLeish has served up, so expecting them not to say that Lerner got it massively wrong is a bit much.

If only Lerner, when presented with his two options in the summer of

Option 1 - Appoint McLeish

Option 2 - Don't appoint McLeish

had not had a massive brain meltdown and made just about THE most stupid decision in recent footballing history.  The huge cretin.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 26, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 26, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
Stuart James and Neil Moxley get the true word on what's going on at the Villa from a certain fanzine seller who works opposite the church.

You're welcome.

Good work. Did you read Stuart James' article in the Graun? It was right on the money. Finally.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on April 26, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
Apologies if aleady posted, but good piece. Another example of the media coming around to the fact it's his record / performance with us why we want rid, not his SHA history...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2012/04/post_1.html
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
I was reading the following with a lot of interest until he said that Alex Mcleish is a good man and manager!  Yes I agree that he probably is a good man but a good manager?

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12088_7706651,00.html
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 26, 2012, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 26, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 26, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
Stuart James and Neil Moxley get the true word on what's going on at the Villa from a certain fanzine seller who works opposite the church.

You're welcome.

Good work. Did you read Stuart James' article in the Graun? It was right on the money. Finally.

I did. Hopefully some of the more clueless journos and pundits read it as well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 26, 2012, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:11:02 PM

Ahhhhhhh those were the days when I was feeling irate and p**ssed off at AM now I sit back and think if only other fans had realised then what they know now.

What difference would it have made if we’d have changed our minds earlier?  McLeish would still be here but everyone would have been much angrier for longer, probably shouting at each other a lot more and making everything much more miserable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 26, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Nobody wanted him in the job. When he was appointed, most of us got behind him for the good of the club. Most of us wanted him to do well. Most of us thought it was a bit early to be giving him stick and sacking him in November, as it wasn't a fair amount of time to judge him. And finally, most of us could not give a shit where he came from.

If we had of sacked him in November maybe we would have been mid table or higher now?
We were 8th in November

And that affects the price of bread how ??
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 03:46:30 PM
Oh no I see another mass quote debate coming.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2012, 03:47:13 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
I was reading the following with a lot of interest until he said that Alex Mcleish is a good man and manager!  Yes I agree that he probably is a good man but a good manager?

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12088_7706651,00.html

Also underrating the kids. I mean, they don't play in a Sky League club, how can they be any good?

Also, Hellis in the Torygraph said some absolute bollcocks like "despite the fact most of the fans are upset he came from Birmingham, McLeish is a good manager" (come on, Doug, you can't really believe that, especially the first one!) and, a new Doug favourite, "The game is not about management, it is about players." Is that why you kept firing them in the hope they'd be the magic bullet solution? Or why you didn't dig a little deeper for the better players who could have taken us a bit further? Absolute shite from beginning to end.

And to think some on here wanted him back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
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Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
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Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:06:23 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.
Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!
How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.
You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?
You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?
Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .



So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!
"it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour . "

That's what I was wishing because if he's successful,the Villa are successful Clearly you weren't

How did you reach that decision then? you cant possibly think what I am thinking? If you can then you should seriously consider becoing a bleeding mind reader.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 26, 2012, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

I wish I'd kept that quote of his where he claimed he wouldn't go on and on with the "I told you so" bullshit if it was proven Mcleish wasn't up to the job.

But it appears saying "I told you so" is more important to him than supporting the club.

Not at all you could not be further from the truth my fellow villa fan. I have ben quiet for many many weeks now all I am saying is I'm amazed how many others thought what me and hundreds of others fans were going on about surely you can see that fellow fan
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
WarleyWonder, I have already asked once that the mass quoting stops, please do so as i'd hate to have ask again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 26, 2012, 03:50:58 PM
My eyes, my eyes...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 26, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread

By all means have a debate with each other as long as it stays civil, but please can you both cut down on the mass quoting.

There's always a lot of mass debating when it comes to Warley Wonder.

You again The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit  - I thought you had emigrated as it's been so quiet on here. Im really sorry that you feel the need to have a go on here now that your choice of manager has totally knackered up our club single handed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 26, 2012, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
If you whizz through it all quickly enough its beginning to look like an egg timer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
See there seems to be quite a revision of history here. I can't remember anyone saying it would be a good idea to hire Mcleish at the time he was hired. However once he had been appointed the vast majority of us wanted to give him a chance, as we wanted Villa to be successful. Now that doesn't mean we believed he was the right man for job, but as he had been given the job it was best to support him.
Unfortunately he has proved to be completely the wrong appointment, as most people thought he would be and he needs to go. That doesn't change the fact that when he was initially appointed he needed to be given a chance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
Nobody 'wanted' him.  But once he got the job, what do you do?

Option 1 is to support him and the club and hope it works out.

Option 2 is to bitch from the outset, mainly to the detriment of the club as a whole, and then languish in the glory of being proven right.

What gets me about the 'I told you so' crowd is their love for the club is so great, they feel their time is best spent reminding us all how they saw it all coming as opposed to offering siggestions for a new manager, discussing how we can get the necessary points from the remaining games or debating the larger and longterm future of the club.  Having said that, if they did I could imagine it being "Anyone but McFuckStain", "Minus 3 unless we sack McCuntyBollocks" and "We don't have one unless McWankPants is sacked, sued and then we bring a criminal prosecution."

Maybe if fans who don't agree or even think that us "told you so crowd" were wrong in our opinion had simply kept their opinions to themselves rather than having a go at us fans who did not think the appointment was correct (which we are almost being proved right) then this whole sorry chapter need never have happened. Why can't fans (like me) give an opinion without being ridiculed just because we have very very strong opinions rather than just accepting that we have to live with the fact the he is the manager. If we have something to say we will say it whats wrong with being honest? There are too many doo gooders in this world and where does that get you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: bones. on April 26, 2012, 03:54:05 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 26, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.
If you whizz through it all quickly enough its beginning to look like an egg timer.

HAHA funny you should say that as that exact thought popped into my head
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
WarleyWonder, I have already asked once that the mass quoting stops, please do so as i'd hate to have ask again.

Apologies PeterWithesShin (cracking goal in the final by the way it brought many happy hours of re -watching it all those years ago)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 26, 2012, 04:00:03 PM
I've resisted responding to Warley Wonder/DazzyG posts but I'm getting really bored with the same posts for weeks on end, now followed by endless 'nah-na-na-na-nah-told-you-so' drivel. It's like a stuck record, or a teenager with one record in their entire collection playing it over and over again in their bedroom.

We know you never wanted him. We know you couldn't wait to say told you so. Most of the grown-ups on here (including me) didn't want him either but were prepared gave him a chance to redeem himself - a chance which he's blown. I don't need you to tell me you were right and I was wrong as it isn't the case.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 26, 2012, 04:01:12 PM
Godwin's  Law concerns Hitler. Which law is invoked when 'do gooder' is used as an insult?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: CJ on April 26, 2012, 04:00:03 PM
I've resisted responding to Warley Wonder/DazzyG posts but I'm getting really bored with the same posts for weeks on end, now followed by endless 'nah-na-na-na-nah-told-you-so' drivel. It's like a stuck record, or a teenager with one record in their entire collection playing it over and over again in their bedroom.

We know you never wanted him. We know you couldn't wait to say told you so. Most of the grown-ups on here (including me) didn't want him either but were prepared gave him a chance to redeem himself - a chance which he's blown. I don't need you to tell me you were right and I was wrong as it isn't the case.

Thankyou for resisting my fellow villa fan. Apology accepted for thinking all those comments  I made were rubbish. The truth is out there
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 26, 2012, 04:05:15 PM
I'm not getting into an argument with anyone who can't spell 'do'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 26, 2012, 04:01:12 PM
Godwin's  Law concerns Hitler. Which law is invoked when 'do gooder' is used as an insult?

Round of applause please.................The man DW is back I wondered how long it would take for you to join in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2012, 04:07:42 PM
Well this thread seems to have completely lost its way now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
WarleyWonder, I have already asked once that the mass quoting stops, please do so as i'd hate to have ask again.

I was thinking to myself 'blimey, my shins getting a bit bolshy these days' then I saw the new title.

All hail!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 04:07:42 PM
Well this thread seems to have completely lost its way now.

I KNOW HOW VERY RUDE !!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 26, 2012, 04:05:15 PM
I'm not getting into an argument with anyone who can't spell 'do'.
Wise choice. It's Luke hitting your head against a brick wall
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 26, 2012, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 26, 2012, 04:07:42 PM
Well this thread seems to have completely lost its way now.

Allow me: MCLEISH OUT!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 26, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
I knew I shouldn't have bitten. I'm resisting as best as I can and if I say what I think of him now I'll get banned.


Must not feed the troll. Must not feed the troll. Must not feed the troll
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Warley,

I have posted about three links and posts on the last couple of pages on this thread, yet I doubt anyone who would be interested in agreeing or disagreeing will have seen them because of your spamming this thread with your personal, repetitive, self-absorbed twaddle. Debate is not you shouting the same opinion about one subject no matter what someone else is trying to talk about, let alone descending into personal abuse towards someone for asking you kindly to stop.

Please desist. People come on this part of the forum to debate and discuss Villa, not - and I will put this in the medium of capitals you seem to find so alluring - NOT TO DISCUSS YOU. If you want to debate, that's fine. Just stop bloody clogging the place up.

Rant over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 26, 2012, 04:18:21 PM
(http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/13/1335301710/onlinehulktransformation.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 26, 2012, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:52:52 PM
You again The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit  - I thought you had emigrated as it's been so quiet on here. Im really sorry that you feel the need to have a go on here now that your choice of manager has totally knackered up our club single handed.

You don't get it do you Darren?

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 26, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Crickey, I feel like I've been chucked in a kaleidoscope with all that quoting.  My head hurts now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 26, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Crickey, I feel like I've been chucked in a kaleidoscope with all that quoting.  My head hurts now.
Partly my fault,sorry
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 26, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Apology accepted, ZoggyAlways.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 26, 2012, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 26, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
Nobody 'wanted' him.  But once he got the job, what do you do?

Option 1 is to support him and the club and hope it works out.

Option 2 is to bitch from the outset, mainly to the detriment of the club as a whole, and then languish in the glory of being proven right.

What gets me about the 'I told you so' crowd is their love for the club is so great, they feel their time is best spent reminding us all how they saw it all coming as opposed to offering siggestions for a new manager, discussing how we can get the necessary points from the remaining games or debating the larger and longterm future of the club.  Having said that, if they did I could imagine it being "Anyone but McFuckStain", "Minus 3 unless we sack McCuntyBollocks" and "We don't have one unless McWankPants is sacked, sued and then we bring a criminal prosecution."

Maybe if fans who don't agree or even think that us "told you so crowd" were wrong in our opinion had simply kept their opinions to themselves rather than having a go at us fans who did not think the appointment was correct (which we are almost being proved right) then this whole sorry chapter need never have happened. Why can't fans (like me) give an opinion without being ridiculed just because we have very very strong opinions rather than just accepting that we have to live with the fact the he is the manager. If we have something to say we will say it whats wrong with being honest? There are too many doo gooders in this world and where does that get you?

So you're saying that if nobody disagreed with you things would be better?  And nobody had a go at you because you didn't agree with the appointment, they did, and continue to do so, because you express it in idiotic anti-Blues sentiment.

And you can't give an opinion without being ridiculed as all the opinions you give are ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 04:44:45 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 26, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 26, 2012, 04:22:43 PM
Crickey, I feel like I've been chucked in a kaleidoscope with all that quoting.  My head hurts now.
Partly my fault,sorry

Apology accepted and thank you Zoggy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 26, 2012, 04:49:03 PM
I made all the points I wanted to make on this thread a long time ago. I just have nothing to add. Oddly, the worse our plight gets the less interested I am in our managerial situation. It's like I now just want people to get behind the team, as though we can somehow bypass the guy on the dugout and just form a relationship with the players to push them over the line for the good of the club.

As soon as we're safe, I think mass protests would then be in order as the manager simply must be removed.  Until then, this is a might battle and it's more important than anything we've gone through in a very long time. Hugely significant for the long-term future of the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: kipeye on April 26, 2012, 04:54:08 PM
Well said Irish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Wm Hill will take bet that as a double that McL will go and Villa get relegated 21/1. They won't include losing games as a treble.
I put a small bet on, cos I never win but half the ebt I'll think about as a single tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 26, 2012, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Wm Hill will take bet that as a double that McL will go and Villa get relegated 21/1. They won't include losing games as a treble.
I put a small bet on, cos I never win but half the ebt I'll think about as a single tomorrow!

wish i saw it last night i put 50 on at 6-1 for us to go. could only find odds for mcfuckwit to be in charge first game which were 1-4 on.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2012, 07:04:03 PM
May have been said earlier but the Guardian are now speculating that McL is on the slide toward redundancy - McLeish's days look numbered (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 26, 2012, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on April 26, 2012, 06:50:19 PM
Wm Hill will take bet that as a double that McL will go and Villa get relegated 21/1. They won't include losing games as a treble.
I put a small bet on, cos I never win but half the bet I'll think about as a single tomorrow!

wish i saw it last night i put 50 on at 6-1 for us to go. could only find odds for mcfuckwit to be in charge first game which were 1-4 on.


Look at Oddschecker.com for prices. 7/2 on being 1st manager to go this season. If we lose against Baggies I can't see him lasting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tony on April 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
I lost my last shred of sympathy for McLeish on Tuesday when he said we conceded soft goals. We've been conceding soft goals all season long, I saw stats today claiming we're the only team not to score from a corner and have the joint highest record of conceding from corners. All season this has been going on and with three games to go he states the blindingly obvious, didn't he notice before?

He should not have a future here, he had a chance and has blown it by not being able to get the basics right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on April 26, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Mcleish now officially the worst manager ever on home form and yet he still has not been sacked? Can we do any worse with a tempoarary manager? The players would surely fight tooth and nail under someone else's guidance for the last three games.

We all have to unite and give him s**t against Spurs to make him fully aware how we all feel. Even the fans who said give him a chance are now finally fed up with him.
Wrong.  For the duration of the game we have to unite and get behind the team.  What happens on 90 minutes is another matter entirely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 26, 2012, 07:42:14 PM
Very well said.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 26, 2012, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: EffDee on April 26, 2012, 07:04:03 PM
May have been said earlier but the Guardian are now speculating that McL is on the slide toward redundancy - McLeish's days look numbered (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/apr/25/aston-villa-fans-alex-mcleish)

*like* but team first now. UTV.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.

I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.

By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Yes, he was very complimentary and magnanimous in defeat. I almost felt sorry for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Yes, he was very complimentery and magnanimous in defeat. I almost felt sorry for him.

Same here. And then we found out the reality.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2012, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Yes, he was very complimentery and magnanimous in defeat. I almost felt sorry for him.

how fucking ace was that day? wow, we've gone down so sharply since the optimism created by that battering. I still have that gane recorded and still love the bit where Mellberg comes off and gets a standing ovation from the Holte. Brilliant.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Turn the sound OFF:

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
I lost my last shred of sympathy for McLeish on Tuesday when he said we conceded soft goals. We've been conceding soft goals all season long, I saw stats today claiming we're the only team not to score from a corner and have the joint highest record of conceding from corners. All season this has been going on and with three games to go he states the blindingly obvious, didn't he notice before?

He should not have a future here, he had a chance and has blown it by not being able to get the basics right.


I was particularly impressed with his observation that the Davies substitution at half time changed the game in their favour.  Just a shame that this Eureka moment came to him 30 minutes after the game had finished, and he didn't do anything to actually redress the balance during the match.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Did we miss our Alan Pardew in Gary McAllister? Once Houllier was out of the way we suddenly started getting results. Arsenal and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' away...  proven PL manager... bags of experience... obviously the player took to him. A missed opportunities to be sure. Oh... and he steered us from the drop zone to above half way in 5 or 6 games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
No Tom, the only thing 'proven' about Gary McAllister, was that he was proven to be a shit manager. I suspect the improvement in form was more due to the lift t players get when a manager they dislike pisses off out the road.

I'd also be fairly sure that improvement would pan out to be temporary only.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
Okay... Coolio. I guess we'll never know. He dragged us up by our bootlaces though last season that's for sure. Think about it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Can I get a coolio.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Can I get a coolio.

He came into the bookshop I worked at a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:23:57 PM
Tom Sawyer? Was he doing a signing, I thought he was dead, or was that exagerated.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Can I get a coolio.

He came into the bookshop I worked at a few years ago.

Wa he as coolio as he comes across?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 26, 2012, 09:25:42 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
I lost my last shred of sympathy for McLeish on Tuesday when he said we conceded soft goals. We've been conceding soft goals all season long, I saw stats today claiming we're the only team not to score from a corner and have the joint highest record of conceding from corners. All season this has been going on and with three games to go he states the blindingly obvious, didn't he notice before?

He should not have a future here, he had a chance and has blown it by not being able to get the basics right.


I was particularly impressed with his observation that the Davies substitution at half time changed the game in their favour.  Just a shame that this Eureka moment came to him 30 minutes after the game had finished, and he didn't do anything to actually redress the balance during the match.

That's just one of his shortcomings as a manager. As soon as we saw Davies taking to the pitch it was clear that Coyle was going to try to stop us playing the same way in the second half. Almost immediately we saw the difference in the Bolton side but Mcleish did absolutely nothing apart from trying exactly the same long ball tactic with Gabby. We sit in the Upper Trinity behind the dug out and we watched Mcleish just standing there with his hands in his pockets, unable or unwilling to respond. He just didn't seem to know what to do to influence the game. Really, really poor.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.


I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.


By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.


This was confirmed at the time he was appointed. Rob Dorsett on SSN said (last june) something about Randy saying to him in private about how much he admired McLeish. So what we can conclude is that two relegations in three years and a renowned reputation for piss poor football becomes irrelevant so long as you are good company and wipe your feet when you go over for tea and biscuits at Randys house.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: mr woo on April 26, 2012, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.


I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.


By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.


This was confirmed at the time he was appointed. Rob Dorsett on SSN said (last june) something about Randy saying to him in private about how much he admired McLeish. So what we can conclude is that two relegations in three years and a renowned reputation for piss poor football becomes irrelevant so long as you are good company and wipe your feet when you go over for tea and biscuits at Randys house.

That sort of represents RL's intimate knowledge of English football. Purchase a football team in Birmingham; be aware that there are two teams in that same city; when you need a new manager approach the person managing the 'other' team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.

I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.

By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.

Yep and guess what he came out with after the game:

"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team".




 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on April 26, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Turn the sound OFF:



That game was like a dream sequence. Unforgettable. I know we had beaten them before in the Prem, but that match put to bed the Enckelman game, Stern John's equaliser, and 03/03/03. Absolutely marvellous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 26, 2012, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 26, 2012, 09:50:02 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.

I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.

By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.

Yep and guess what he came out with after the game:

"You have to say that Villa's agenda is totally different to ours - the bottom line is that they are a better team".




 

F**k me! How many times has he said that about the opposition this season?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
We all had a laugh and he spoke the truth but it said a lot about his character, defeatist and a good gubbing wasn't his fault, no siree.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 26, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
Can I get a coolio.

He came into the bookshop I worked at a few years ago.

Wa he as coolio as he comes across?

Seemed a decent enough chap, he likes his fantasy novels. Was a bit put out we didn't accept Euro's so had to get his PR chap to put it on his credit card. I hope he paid him back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 26, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 26, 2012, 09:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
I lost my last shred of sympathy for McLeish on Tuesday when he said we conceded soft goals. We've been conceding soft goals all season long, I saw stats today claiming we're the only team not to score from a corner and have the joint highest record of conceding from corners. All season this has been going on and with three games to go he states the blindingly obvious, didn't he notice before?

He should not have a future here, he had a chance and has blown it by not being able to get the basics right.


I was particularly impressed with his observation that the Davies substitution at half time changed the game in their favour.  Just a shame that this Eureka moment came to him 30 minutes after the game had finished, and he didn't do anything to actually redress the balance during the match.
And it's not the first time he has made the same kind of observation. Somebody correct me but I think it was after the Blackburn game. Dunn came on for them at half time and changed the game til they got the equaliser with 5 minutes to go. So AM watched it happening and did fuck all about it.
Shit football brain.
Shit management of our team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: FrankyH on April 26, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
His position is untenable and I think the board know it's not going to get any better, but will stick with him till the last game.I was one of the fans who didn't want him, but when he got the job thought  he's our manager now give him a chance.

He liked to mention the vocal minority earlier in the season, well it's a deafening majority now calling for his head.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 26, 2012, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: frankyh on April 26, 2012, 10:17:28 PM
His position is untenable and I think the board know it's not going to get any better, but will stick with him till the last game.I was one of the fans who didn't want him, but when he got the job thought  he's our manager now give him a chance.

He liked to mention the vocal minority earlier in the season, well it's a deafening chorus now calling for his head.

Stuart James in the Guardian, whose report I trust, says it was a clear majority who were calling for him to be sacked. Can't help thinking that in such a situation the owners have an obligation to do what the fans are clearly asking for...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 26, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
It was definitely the majority from where I was sitting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Martyn Bentsmith on April 26, 2012, 10:19:39 PM

Stuart James in the Guardian, whose report I trust, says it was a clear majority who were calling for him to be sacked. Can't help thinking that in such a situation the owners have an obligation to do what the fans are clearly asking for...

They hired him in the first place regardless of what Villa fans thought, so I doubt they would take much notice now. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 26, 2012, 10:35:28 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
I lost my last shred of sympathy for McLeish on Tuesday when he said we conceded soft goals. We've been conceding soft goals all season long, I saw stats today claiming we're the only team not to score from a corner and have the joint highest record of conceding from corners. All season this has been going on and with three games to go he states the blindingly obvious, didn't he notice before?

He should not have a future here, he had a chance and has blown it by not being able to get the basics right.

I hate the team getting corners - it just increases the chance of us conceding one on the counter-attack!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on April 26, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
What about this for a scenario:
After Tuesday night McLeish finally accepts there is no way it's going to work for him in this job, all the stats support the fears that the majority of fans had he simply is not up to managing Aston Villa. He confides in both Chair and CEO his tenure as Manager needs to come to an end its just a case of when and what is best for the club. They agree that we need to tough out the next three matches as there is nothing to be gained by him going now (I know a fact hotly disputed on here) it's agreed that he resigns at the end of the season. He walks away with some degree of credibility if we stay up and does not take a big pay off, if we go down he's toast anyway. Hence the emphasis on pulling togehter over the three match time horizon and no vote of confidence beyond this period.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: glasses on April 26, 2012, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 26, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 26, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Turn the sound OFF:



That game was like a dream sequence. Unforgettable. I know we had beaten them before in the Prem, but that match put to bed the Enckelman game, Stern John's equaliser, and 03/03/03. Absolutely marvellous.
I miss that Villa, I really do
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 26, 2012, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: garyellis on April 26, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
What about this for a scenario:
After Tuesday night McLeish finally accepts there is no way it's going to work for him in this job, all the stats support the fears that the majority of fans had he simply is not up to managing Aston Villa. He confides in both Chair and CEO his tenure as Manager needs to come to an end its just a case of when and what is best for the club. They agree that we need to tough out the next three matches as there is nothing to be gained by him going now (I know a fact hotly disputed on here) it's agreed that he resigns at the end of the season. He walks away with some degree of credibility if we stay up and does not take a big pay off, if we go down he's toast anyway. Hence the emphasis on pulling togehter over the three match time horizon and no vote of confidence beyond this period.

I really like this.
Fiction worthy of winning the Booker!

Love it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 26, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Sister of Top Cat on April 26, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Mcleish now officially the worst manager ever on home form and yet he still has not been sacked? Can we do any worse with a tempoarary manager? The players would surely fight tooth and nail under someone else's guidance for the last three games.

We all have to unite and give him s**t against Spurs to make him fully aware how we all feel. Even the fans who said give him a chance are now finally fed up with him.
Wrong.  For the duration of the game we have to unite and get behind the team.  What happens on 90 minutes is another matter entirely.
Correct.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 27, 2012, 05:38:04 AM
Speculation in todays Daily Express,
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/316773/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on April 27, 2012, 05:49:23 AM
And more of the same, with no substance at all from The Sun.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4282174/Aston-Villa-could-turn-to-Paul-Lambert-if-they-axe-Alex-McLeish.html
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2012, 05:58:44 AM
It begins...


There is a lot to like about Lambert. But his success at Norwich seems to rely on older players and there aren't too many examples of canny signings from beyond these shores.  Sound familiar?

Also, they looked even ropier defensively than us at VP  this season and have taken some hammerings.  To be expected, I suppose.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on April 27, 2012, 06:33:37 AM
I'd prefere Rodgers .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 27, 2012, 07:20:08 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 26, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Sister of Top Cat on April 26, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 26, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Mcleish now officially the worst manager ever on home form and yet he still has not been sacked? Can we do any worse with a tempoarary manager? The players would surely fight tooth and nail under someone else's guidance for the last three games.

We all have to unite and give him s**t against Spurs to make him fully aware how we all feel. Even the fans who said give him a chance are now finally fed up with him.
Wrong.  For the duration of the game we have to unite and get behind the team.  What happens on 90 minutes is another matter entirely.
Correct.
Indeed, get behind the team and save the vitriol for when it can't affect thing on the pitch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2012, 08:09:54 AM
If the Spurs game is spent pouring vitriol on the manager then I'll be extremely annoyed. That would be ridiculous. It's clear how the fans feel. We need to get behind the team
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
remember that poll a few weeks ago which had 80% saying Mcleish will be staying as our manager next season, and all the posters who signed of nearly every post with 'He's going nowhere'

i wonder what the poll would say now ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 08:28:28 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 26, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Warley,

I have posted about three links and posts on the last couple of pages on this thread, yet I doubt anyone who would be interested in agreeing or disagreeing will have seen them because of your spamming this thread with your personal, repetitive, self-absorbed twaddle. Debate is not you shouting the same opinion about one subject no matter what someone else is trying to talk about, let alone descending into personal abuse towards someone for asking you kindly to stop.

Please desist. People come on this part of the forum to debate and discuss Villa, not - and I will put this in the medium of capitals you seem to find so alluring - NOT TO DISCUSS YOU. If you want to debate, that's fine. Just stop bloody clogging the place up.

Rant over.

Im glad you have stopped shouting !!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 27, 2012, 08:32:45 AM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
remember that poll a few weeks ago which had 80% saying Mcleish will be staying as our manager next season, and all the posters who signed of nearly every post with 'He's going nowhere'

i wonder what the poll would say now ?

He will get to walk on the pitch for the Baggies game but if we lose it will be the last time he appears at VP..imvho.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 08:53:51 AM
To be honest as long as Eck goes I'll be happy, but we really need a forward thinking manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 27, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
I don't want the other blues manager to be honest, I know he's done a good job but being an ex nose it wouldn't take long to turn again
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 27, 2012, 09:03:31 AM
Which would be monumentally juvenile.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 27, 2012, 09:14:07 AM
At last, the local paper has a decent comment on the situation.

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/26/birmingham-mail-message-for-aston-villa-fans-forget-alex-mcleish-for-now-your-team-needs-you-97319-30842061/3/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 09:22:11 AM
Let's face it we are an utter shambles from top to bottom at the moment. Mcleish has to go in the summer whatever happens, that is an absolute must. Randy then needs to realise he's going to have to invest again if he wants improved financial figures in the long run. We need a new manager who understands the modern game is based on possession of the football. We then need a major overhaul of the squad. There is significant work to be done, but it must be done starting with the removal of the manager and replacing him with a quality candidate.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 27, 2012, 09:36:57 AM
and therein lies the problem. in two years we've gone from (almost) heroes to zeroes. if ever there was a poisoned chalice we are it. Skint, lots of overpaid journeymen, no footballing strategy at board level, etc etc. What have we done to deserve this? The only thing that matters for now is to get behind the club, put our thoughts about the manager to one side and pray we can avoid the drop, even though i'm struggling to make a convincing argument against us not deserving it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 27, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 09:22:11 AM
Let's face it we are an utter shambles from top to bottom at the moment. Mcleish has to go in the summer whatever happens, that is an absolute must. Randy then needs to realise he's going to have to invest again if he wants improved financial figures in the long run. We need a new manager who understands the modern game is based on possession of the football. We then need a major overhaul of the squad. There is significant work to be done, but it must be done starting with the removal of the manager and replacing him with a quality candidate.

We have become the joke we did at the end of DOL's tenure. If we don't have the money available for grandstand signings, then at least a positive move on the managerial front will give everyone a lift
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 27, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-shelve-planning-for-next-808011

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 27, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Jems Nursery, the mirror

No future: Villa's McLeish stops planning for next season as relegation looms larger

Scheduled meetings with agents about potential signings are shelved as under-fire boss battles to avoid the drop - and the sack


Oh Eck: Aston Villa fans' anger towards McLeish is soaring
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish has put planning for next season on the back burner as he battles to save his job.

Tuesday’s home defeat by Bolton has left Villa just three points above the relegation zone.

The club have pledged their full support for McLeish ahead of Villa’s three remaining fixtures.

But the fury of the fans, who have never taken to the Scot because he managed their hated rivals Birmingham City, has soared to new levels.

Now, McLeish has stopped planning for next season to concentrate on saving Villa – and his own skin.

He has already snapped up AZ Alkmaar’s Australian midfielder Brett Holman, but this week aborted further scheduled talks with agents about new players.

Some rare good news for Big Eck is that Richard Dunne will be fit to return for Saturday's crunch clash with West Brom.

The Republic of Ireland centre-half said: “It will be terrible if we were to get relegated, it will be a disaster for the whole club.

“I’ve been through it before with Manchester City. It’s tough on the players, the fans and the other people around the club who work there.

“But it’s still in our own hands and we’ve got a good enough squad to get out of it.”
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 26, 2012, 08:43:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 26, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
You get the feeling the club hired the manager in the same way you would hire a dodgy cowboy builder i.e. you aren't 100% sure how to do the job yourself, but you've heard about a builder who's a friend of a friend of a friend, who's supposed be able to do a half decent job on a limited budget. However, even though you start to hear concerns about him from other friends, you bite the bullet and give him the job to do.

After three weeks you realise you should have listened to the warnings when the wall he's knocked down has given you an en suite to the garden.

I still maintain Vanilla, that it was his charming and sociable behaviour after the 5-1 mauling against us that led them to believe he the man for them.

By all accounts the board were very impressed with his attitude that day.

I can't remember who said it, but "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." 

All the best managers would have been seething after that with a face like thunder.  Didn't someone once say that everybody in the club gave MON a wide berth for a few days after a defeat?

Alex is a nice guy.  SAF is an utter arsehole.  It's no coincidence one does a lot better than the other.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 09:54:03 AM

Now, McLeish has stopped planning for next season to concentrate on saving Villa – and his own skin.

He has already snapped up AZ Alkmaar’s Australian midfielder Brett Holman, but this week aborted further scheduled talks with agents about new players.

So if this is true they really had no intention of sacking him then
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 27, 2012, 10:02:58 AM
He has no FUTURE at this club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.

What a load of rubbish.  Who on earth would he have made that statement to?  And without knowing anything about what money would be available, or even what division we'd be in?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 27, 2012, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.

Just read that tweet.  Makes me think that if its true, then theres everyc chance we could get 3 points against them on the last day to secure premiership status so he has a chance to manage us in the prem and not the championship.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.

Please be true! Who knows what's going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
Great. That's all we need - the press winding Norwich up before we play them last game. We might have had a chance if they had nothing to play for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 27, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
Paul Lambert has done a fantastic job at Carrow Road. Took them to the Championship as Division 1 winners in his first season, followed by automatic promotion to the PL in his second, and consolidated Norwich in the Prem this season. Plays a good style of football too. Not sure how he deals in the transfer market but his credentials as a manager are pretty good. Certainly a better prospect than our current idiot
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: CJ on April 27, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
Paul Lambert has done a fantastic job at Carrow Road. Took them to the Championship as Division 1 winners in his first season, followed by automatic promotion to the PL in his second, and consolidated Norwich in the Prem this season. Plays a good style of football too. Not sure how he deals in the transfer market but his credentials as a manager are pretty good. Certainly a better prospect than our current idiot

I could throw a stone here at work and hit someone who's a better prospect than our current manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 27, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
Great. That's all we need - the press winding Norwich up before we play them last game. We might have had a chance if they had nothing to play for.

Yes, I can imagine being 2-0 down and them singing "Nicking our boss, you're having a laugh!"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 27, 2012, 10:23:02 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: CJ on April 27, 2012, 10:17:41 AM
Paul Lambert has done a fantastic job at Carrow Road. Took them to the Championship as Division 1 winners in his first season, followed by automatic promotion to the PL in his second, and consolidated Norwich in the Prem this season. Plays a good style of football too. Not sure how he deals in the transfer market but his credentials as a manager are pretty good. Certainly a better prospect than our current idiot

I could throw a stone here at work and hit someone who's a better prospect than our current manager.

Even if you were a mortuary attendant.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 10:36:17 AM
The Sun and the Express also mention Paul Lambert as the desirable replacement for Our Alex.
Can't help thinking the timing is shocking really; no respect for either clubs or the people directly involved.

Get the next three games done and then fire the bullet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 10:38:13 AM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on April 27, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
Great. That's all we need - the press winding Norwich up before we play them last game. We might have had a chance if they had nothing to play for.
That's the plan.The media would absolutely love to see us relegated
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tony Boucher on April 27, 2012, 10:57:58 AM
I think we'd struggle to get Lambert, to be honest.  He is basically MON junior & even refers to MON as 'gaffer' to this day - his guru would surely advise against coming here, if only to spite us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 27, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Where can I find the odds for Mcleish taking over from Guardiola at Barca? I hope we get compensation for the loss of service!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 27, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Not sure where to post this but lambert is latest comment in here...

I am feeling underwhelmed with it all!

I think we are a mess and we need a 12 month transition period with whoever is in charge, even if mcleish stays, I cant see us improving next year, he would need 12 months (dont get me wrong i dont want that his philosophy does not map to Aston Villa's)

I get the feeling with lambert we will back to square one, improve after 12 months, start climbing the leagure then peak at us getting to around top 6 playing football we are not happy with in 4 to 5 years time!

Its a long road ahead and i think we need someone who sets the club up the right way from top to bottom, like a wenger...

Houllier did set up Liverpool to have the success they had under Benetiz and in my opinion we should of stuck... but the past is the past

Martinez did set up swansea to be the success they are today so of all the names he is the only one that interests me as a long term fan appeasing prospective...

Truth is I dont know who that person is, the problem - The board dont either!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
If the worst happens and we lose tomorrow, does anyone think he will get the sack? I just can't see how he will be able to walk out at Villa Park against Spurs,the pressure will be immense especially if we go behind
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
I have a feeling McLeish is skating on very thin ice. I think he has probably already been sidelined within the club and that the board are already planning for life without him. I'd say Kevin Mac and Sid are probably going to be more hands on in the next three games. McLeish is still manager, but I doubt he has the credibility now to call any shots so to speak.

There has been a real change in things since the Bolton debacle. I think we can all sense it too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 27, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Not sure where to post this but lambert is latest comment in here...

I am feeling underwhelmed with it all!

I think we are a mess and we need a 12 month transition period with whoever is in charge, even if mcleish stays, I cant see us improving next year, he would need 12 months (dont get me wrong i dont want that his philosophy does not map to Aston Villa's)

I get the feeling with lambert we will back to square one, improve after 12 months, start climbing the leagure then peak at us getting to around top 6 playing football we are not happy with in 4 to 5 years time!

Its a long road ahead and i think we need someone who sets the club up the right way from top to bottom, like a wenger...

Houllier did set up Liverpool to have the success they had under Benetiz and in my opinion we should of stuck... but the past is the past

Martinez did set up swansea to be the success they are today so of all the names he is the only one that interests me as a long term fan appeasing prospective...

Truth is I dont know who that person is, the problem - The board dont either!
We need someone with a proven record of working with young, talented players, 'cos that's the material available to next season's manager. And McLeish has no record in realising the potential of young talent ...

... I'm beginning to wonder whether RL has been smarter than we reckoned. How about this for a scenario?

Step 1: bring in an experienced manager (manager A) to deal with the older / opinionated professionals with 12-18 months left on their contract. See how the season goes.
Step 2: after offloading the older / opinionated professionals, review firstly how the season went and assess whether manager A has the ability to work with what's left of the playing squad and can unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market.
Step 3: if manager A cannot meet the new needs (work with what's left of the playing squad and unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market), get rid and get someone in who is better suited - manager B.

McLeish = manager A
 ??? ??? ? = manager B

Maybe this is just bollocks but it does seem  to answer the needs of the owner - to reduce costs and offload MON's player-legacy - and play to the strengths of the Academy. Maybe McLeish is even aware of this strategy and collusive with it?

Nah, probably bollocks!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
If the worst happens and we lose tomorrow, does anyone think he will get the sack? I just can't see how he will be able to walk out at Villa Park against Spurs,the pressure will be immense especially if we go behind
Herer's a question: last season how antagonistic and vocal were the Bluenoses toward McLeish in his final few games? Did he feel the heat of their ire or is this situation actually quite new for him, do you think?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
Sorry I don't buy that, as it doesn't make any sense. Also the skating very very close to relegation can't be part of a 'plan'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
Sorry I don't buy that, as it doesn't make any sense. Also the skating very very close to relegation can't be part of a 'plan'.
Agree, although they obviously took a gamble on 'the skating very very close to relegation' by making the appointment they did and selling two of the players that kept us up last season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 11:36:28 AM
Peter Withe on Talk Sport at the moment
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: covvilla-gonetodevon on April 27, 2012, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 27, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on April 27, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
Not sure where to post this but lambert is latest comment in here...

I am feeling underwhelmed with it all!

I think we are a mess and we need a 12 month transition period with whoever is in charge, even if mcleish stays, I cant see us improving next year, he would need 12 months (dont get me wrong i dont want that his philosophy does not map to Aston Villa's)

I get the feeling with lambert we will back to square one, improve after 12 months, start climbing the leagure then peak at us getting to around top 6 playing football we are not happy with in 4 to 5 years time!

Its a long road ahead and i think we need someone who sets the club up the right way from top to bottom, like a wenger...

Houllier did set up Liverpool to have the success they had under Benetiz and in my opinion we should of stuck... but the past is the past

Martinez did set up swansea to be the success they are today so of all the names he is the only one that interests me as a long term fan appeasing prospective...

Truth is I dont know who that person is, the problem - The board dont either!
We need someone with a proven record of working with young, talented players, 'cos that's the material available to next season's manager. And McLeish has no record in realising the potential of young talent ...

... I'm beginning to wonder whether RL has been smarter than we reckoned. How about this for a scenario?

Step 1: bring in an experienced manager (manager A) to deal with the older / opinionated professionals with 12-18 months left on their contract. See how the season goes.
Step 2: after offloading the older / opinionated professionals, review firstly how the season went and assess whether manager A has the ability to work with what's left of the playing squad and can unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market.
Step 3: if manager A cannot meet the new needs (work with what's left of the playing squad and unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market), get rid and get someone in who is better suited - manager B.

McLeish = manager A
 ??? ??? ? = manager B

Maybe this is just bollocks but it does seem  to answer the needs of the owner - to reduce costs and offload MON's player-legacy - and play to the strengths of the Academy. Maybe McLeish is even aware of this strategy and collusive with it?

Nah, probably bollocks!

Yeah, bollocks. You forgot about the 3 year contract!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 27, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
Sorry I don't buy that, as it doesn't make any sense. Also the skating very very close to relegation can't be part of a 'plan'.
Agree, although they obviously took a gamble on 'the skating very very close to relegation' by making the appointment they did and selling two of the players that kept us up last season.

I'm sure that were that scenario accurate then manager B would want to pick and choose who he could work with from the senior squad himself anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on April 27, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Jems Nursery, the mirror

No future: Villa's McLeish stops planning for next season as relegation looms larger

Scheduled meetings with agents about potential signings are shelved as under-fire boss battles to avoid the drop - and the sack


Oh Eck: Aston Villa fans' anger towards McLeish is soaring
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish has put planning for next season on the back burner as he battles to save his job.

Tuesday’s home defeat by Bolton has left Villa just three points above the relegation zone.

The club have pledged their full support for McLeish ahead of Villa’s three remaining fixtures.

But the fury of the fans, who have never taken to the Scot because he managed their hated rivals Birmingham City, has soared to new levels.

Now, McLeish has stopped planning for next season to concentrate on saving Villa – and his own skin.

He has already snapped up AZ Alkmaar’s Australian midfielder Brett Holman, but this week aborted further scheduled talks with agents about new players.

Some rare good news for Big Eck is that Richard Dunne will be fit to return for Saturday's crunch clash with West Brom.

The Republic of Ireland centre-half said: “It will be terrible if we were to get relegated, it will be a disaster for the whole club.

“I’ve been through it before with Manchester City. It’s tough on the players, the fans and the other people around the club who work there.

“But it’s still in our own hands and we’ve got a good enough squad to get out of it.”
I thought we had sorted that out.  It's not where he came from it's what he is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
Peter Withes on TS now talking about Villa 1981/82 and modern Villa
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on April 27, 2012, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: EffDee on April 27, 2012, 11:27:29 AM

We need someone with a proven record of working with young, talented players, 'cos that's the material available to next season's manager. And McLeish has no record in realising the potential of young talent ...

... I'm beginning to wonder whether RL has been smarter than we reckoned. How about this for a scenario?

Step 1: bring in an experienced manager (manager A) to deal with the older / opinionated professionals with 12-18 months left on their contract. See how the season goes.
Step 2: after offloading the older / opinionated professionals, review firstly how the season went and assess whether manager A has the ability to work with what's left of the playing squad and can unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market.
Step 3: if manager A cannot meet the new needs (work with what's left of the playing squad and unearth some inexpensive gems in the transfer market), get rid and get someone in who is better suited - manager B.

McLeish = manager A
 ??? ??? ? = manager B

Maybe this is just bollocks but it does seem  to answer the needs of the owner - to reduce costs and offload MON's player-legacy - and play to the strengths of the Academy. Maybe McLeish is even aware of this strategy and collusive with it?

Nah, probably bollocks!

Makes sense to be fair, only thing I dont get is not getting Eck on, on a 12month Contract, surely a bloke who has releagated a team twice getting a PL job offer would of accepted a 12month contract, if he really believes he is good, then he knows he would be extended...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 27, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that, if you look at the pre-match thread, more than 70% of us don't think we can even beat the Baggies with McLeech in charge!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that, if you look at the pre-match thread, more than 70% of us don't think we can even beat the Baggies with McLeech in charge!

True, but that doesn't really change anything. Regardless of what we think we'll get, we have to get the most we can.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on April 27, 2012, 12:01:27 PM
We are spiraling out of control. Each game, each week, things just get worse. We have sat back and seen the points difference dwindle. I really hope I am wrong but can't see us picking another point up as things are now. That leaves us relying on a miracle to survive. I really thought we would see his exit in the week. Get Sid & Co in now we have absolutely nothing to lose in my eyes.
If nothing gives then I look forward to Spiderman, a Banana and Ghandi throttling a certain Alex McLeish in the technical area at Carrow Road.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 27, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that, if you look at the pre-match thread, more than 70% of us don't think we can even beat the Baggies with McLeech in charge!

True, but that doesn't really change anything. Regardless of what we think we'll get, we have to get the most we can.

I want more than that though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 27, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that, if you look at the pre-match thread, more than 70% of us don't think we can even beat the Baggies with McLeech in charge!

True, but that doesn't really change anything. Regardless of what we think we'll get, we have to get the most we can.

I want more than that though.

Would 120 percent effort be enough?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 27, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: James on April 27, 2012, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: damon green on April 27, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
What we *need* is a win and a draw. The manager thing can wait till after that, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that, if you look at the pre-match thread, more than 70% of us don't think we can even beat the Baggies with McLeech in charge!

True, but that doesn't really change anything. Regardless of what we think we'll get, we have to get the most we can.

I want more than that though.

So what do you want Rt Hon?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 27, 2012, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 12:45:19 PM

So what do you want Rt Hon?

1. I want World peace and an end to famine.
2. I want my family to be happy and healthy.
3. I want Villa to avoid relegation and to get back to where we belong.
4. I want to push you into the path of a bus.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 27, 2012, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 12:45:19 PM

So what do you want Rt Hon?

1. I want World peace and an end to famine.
2. I want my family to be happy and healthy.
3. I want Villa to avoid relegation and to get back to where we belong.
4. I want to push you into the path of a bus.

Ha ha ha, brilliant.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 27, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 27, 2012, 12:48:15 PM
Quote from: WarleyWonder on April 27, 2012, 12:45:19 PM

So what do you want Rt Hon?

1. I want World peace and an end to famine.
2. I want my family to be happy and healthy.
3. I want Villa to avoid relegation and to get back to where we belong.
4. I want to push you into the path of a bus.

Excellent - genuinely laughed out loud at that!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:59:49 PM
What we need, more than anything, is Chelsea, Sunderland, Spurs and Newcastle to all win at the weekend, then Spurs to follow that up with a win in midweek.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 27, 2012, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.

What a load of rubbish.  Who on earth would he have made that statement to?  And without knowing anything about what money would be available, or even what division we'd be in?

It must be the way journalism works now. Take a story printed by a rival paper and pretend to know what's going on more than they do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 27, 2012, 01:26:00 PM
There's been no official contact, but I can confirm that James Nursey would say `ow' if I struck him with this wastepaper basket.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:59:49 PM
What we need, more than anything, is Chelsea, Sunderland, Spurs and Newcastle to all win at the weekend, then Spurs to follow that up with a win in midweek.

Absolutely, combined with us winning.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: django on April 27, 2012, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 27, 2012, 12:59:49 PM
What we need, more than anything, is Chelsea, Sunderland, Spurs and Newcastle to all win at the weekend, then Spurs to follow that up with a win in midweek.

Absolutely, combined with us winning.

This seems a vaguely familiar concept but I'm having a bit of trouble remembering. What is this thing we're supposed to be doing again?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Boz on April 27, 2012, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 27, 2012, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 27, 2012, 10:05:20 AM
James Nursery just tweeted:

Regarding Paul Lambert of NCFC to AVFC there's been no contact from Villa but I have heard he would take Villa post if offered job.

What a load of rubbish.  Who on earth would he have made that statement to?  And without knowing anything about what money would be available, or even what division we'd be in?

It must be the way journalism works now. Take a story printed by a rival paper and pretend to know what's going on more than they do.

Nursey's strong journalistic skill is plagerism, with a dose of bullsh*t
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 27, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Just seen AM on ssn talking about the match tomorrow. When he talks about 'the villa' it's as if he's talking past tense. Totally a dead man walking now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 27, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Just seen AM on ssn talking about the match tomorrow. When he talks about 'the villa' it's as if he's talking past tense. Totally a dead man walking now
He looked like he hasn't slept since Tuesday
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 27, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 27, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Just seen AM on ssn talking about the match tomorrow. When he talks about 'the villa' it's as if he's talking past tense. Totally a dead man walking now
He looked like he hasn't slept since Tuesday

Join the fucking club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 27, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Would you go along with the theory it's now 'when' and not 'if', Dave?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 02:31:51 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

There seems to be a general acceptance that things have gone past the point of no return now.  Of course, three cracking wins in a row would buy him some respite, but seeing as that's unlikely, I really do hope tha Lerner realises that he just can't go into next season with McLeish in charge.  Even if he wanted to be bloody minded about it, surely he'd realise that it's his own money that would be lost.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 27, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on April 27, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 27, 2012, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on April 27, 2012, 02:18:34 PM
Just seen AM on ssn talking about the match tomorrow. When he talks about 'the villa' it's as if he's talking past tense. Totally a dead man walking now
He looked like he hasn't slept since Tuesday

Join the fucking club.

Sounds like fun. Do I need a copy of my driving licence and a utility bill?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Cheers Dave ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Cheers Dave ;)

If they'd responded to mass opinion last summer we wouldn't be in this mess.  Still, his money I suppose, up to him how he squanders it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 27, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Cheers Dave ;)

If they'd responded to mass opinion last summer we wouldn't be in this mess.  Still, his money I suppose, up to him how he squanders it.
Quite.
The appointment was baffling and universally loathed, the situation has got progressively worse and the board have since moved with the speed of a tranquilised slug with a gammy leg.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 27, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
They didn't respond to mass opinion after the Wigan game either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

It shouldn't have taken a relegation dogfight, with three tough games left, for them to realise something was amiss. The danger signs have been there for months and villa fans have shown remarkable restraint until now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
The signs were there before McLeish signed that contract ;(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

It shouldn't have taken a relegation dogfight, with three tough games left, for them to realise something was amiss. The danger signs have been there for months and villa fans have shown remarkable restraint until now.

But it did, tuesday was the first time the reaction from the fans went beyond grumblings and booing at the final whistle.  There was genuine hostility in the atmosphere on tuesday that has never been there before.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 27, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
Agreed. I've heard it at away games against Arsenal under O'Leary and obbiously Wigan this season, but I have never heard anything like it on Tuesday.

I am confident that he won't be here after the next three games, regardless of what happens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 27, 2012, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: Ads on April 27, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
Agreed. I've heard it at away games against Arsenal under O'Leary and obbiously Wigan this season, but I have never heard anything like it on Tuesday.

I am confident that he won't be here after the next three games, regardless of what happens.


Correct.

As a few posters correctly predicted, circumstances had kept the fans' discontent bottled up, and when the pressure was released, it was not pretty.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Cheers Dave ;)

If they'd responded to mass opinion last summer we wouldn't be in this mess.  Still, his money I suppose, up to him how he squanders it.

Or rather, it's something that can't be explained away as just a few idiots on the internet. In hindsight the protest last summer was the wrong thing to do as it led to a siege mentality in the boardroom.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 06:23:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 27, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on April 27, 2012, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

Cheers Dave ;)

If they'd responded to mass opinion last summer we wouldn't be in this mess.  Still, his money I suppose, up to him how he squanders it.

Or rather, it's something that can't be explained away as just a few idiots on the internet. In hindsight the protest last summer was the wrong thing to do as it led to a siege mentality in the boardroom.

Agree totally, the protests before he'd joined made it seem tribal and have led to the near constant accusation that the complaints were because of his former employers.  The board have then seen themselves as being 'above' this pettiness and have ignored the many well-reasoned arguments pointing out his numerous failings over the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nev on April 27, 2012, 06:27:57 PM
The appointment, such as it was, always lead me to believe that it was just a matter of time before the manager departed. I estimated that the fans would turn with the Swansea game at home. As it was the surprise victory at Chelsea bought him more time, the aquisition of Keane helped but it just seemed to delay the inevitable. The clock was ticking from day one.

The fans get a lot of stick but have been amazingly patient and that is to their credit. Not mine though, I was bawling and shouting at him as he left the pitch at Fulham away, fuelled by beer and a horrible feeling that we would end up relegated.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:32:17 PM
GET ME A BUCKET !!!  Just seen the 'clip' on Central News... McLeech saying something like "I'll take the heat off the players" LIKE ALL OF THIS SHIT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM !!??? 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
The Club are currently promoting 'a night with Shay Given' or some such , via Facebook. I'd rather have 10 minutes with McLeech...  (and it wouldn't be pleasant)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
The Club are currently promoting 'a night with Shay Given' or some such , via Facebook. I'd rather have 10 minutes with McLeech...  (and it wouldn't be pleasant)


Dine with Shay.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
Like many fans, I was prepared to give the man a chance.
The Blues connection was less of a concern than his ability.
I thought the protests worked against the fans & still do , -
but let's be honest, 'the doubters' have been proved right.

And (unlike McLeech) I AM prepared to admit I was wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 27, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
The Club are currently promoting 'a night with Shay Given' or some such , via Facebook. I'd rather have 10 minutes with McLeech...  (and it wouldn't be pleasant)


Dine with Shay.

you miss my point - I would SHAME the bloke out of our club...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: preston28 on April 27, 2012, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 27, 2012, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 02:22:59 PM
Whatever this board may be, they're still quick to respond to mass opinion. Tuesday night showed them it's not just a few idiots on the internet.

It shouldn't have taken a relegation dogfight, with three tough games left, for them to realise something was amiss. The danger signs have been there for months and villa fans have shown remarkable restraint until now.

But it did, tuesday was the first time the reaction from the fans went beyond grumblings and booing at the final whistle.  There was genuine hostility in the atmosphere on tuesday that has never been there before.

There was a lot of hostility and abuse at the Wigan game when Heskey came on but I guess as an away game it didn't register too much with the board??

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 06:47:15 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
Like many fans, I was prepared to give the man a chance.
The Blues connection was less of a concern than his ability.
I thought the protests worked against the fans & still do , -
but let's be honest, 'the doubters' have been proved right.

And (unlike McLeech) I AM prepared to admit I was wrong.


you need some milk and alcohol mate or you'l be down at the doctors

see what i did there ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:49:03 PM

Quote :  "Probably MORE disappointed than the Fans..."

REALLY ?  Then you don't understand being a true Supporter of a Club , for LIFE !!

More like disappointed because it reflects on him & his [lack of] abilty & job prospects, here & in future.

Twat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2012, 06:50:23 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 27, 2012, 02:34:11 PM
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Just seen AM on ssn talking about the match tomorrow. When he talks about 'the villa' it's as if he's talking past tense. Totally a dead man walking now
He looked like he hasn't slept since Tuesday

Join the fucking club.

Sounds like fun. Do I need a copy of my driving licence and a utility bill?
Nah, just bring your wife / partner along.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:52:03 PM


you need some milk and alcohol mate or you'l be down at the doctors

see what i did there ?
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very good, mate :  I've got the MAD MAN BLUES !


(Apologies ! The Blues does have an original meaning )
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 27, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
Anybody else see Midlands Today.He is gone at the end of the season and he knows it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 27, 2012, 06:56:57 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 27, 2012, 06:32:17 PM
GET ME A BUCKET !!!  Just seen the 'clip' on Central News... McLeech saying something like "I'll take the heat off the players" LIKE ALL OF THIS SHIT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM !!??? 


I was quite pleased with the interview extracts on Midlands Today. The way he seemed to stress any plans were only for the next 3 games gave me the distinct impression they've come to an agreement to part company at the end of the season.  Let's hope that won't be too late and we're still in the PL
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Is it too early to start a 'McLeish's Next Job' thread?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Yep,that's how I saw it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Is it too early to start a 'McLeish's Next Job' thread?

He'd be perfect for Wolves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 27, 2012, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
He'd be perfect for Wolves.

Too late Dave - they've already been relegated  ;)

Would be really funny if they did take him and he got them promoted, only to get them relegated the following season. A potential hat-trick!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 27, 2012, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Yep,that's how I saw it.

Well that's cheered me up a bit!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
From an article on bbc.co.uk

Quote
"They realise the tough job I've got and perhaps that's why they've chosen me because they've seen me getting through tough jobs like this before."

he must be living in his own little world.  He's had this same tough job twice before in the premier league and has failed both times.  Seems like a really strange thing for him to even bring up, he must realise how that will read to anyone who knows his record in the league.  I genuinely think he's given up even thinking about what he says now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Yep,that's how I saw it.

Anything specific that indicated that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 27, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
Despite everything that's happened (and could still happen) this season, i don't despise Mcleish. He took a job he should never have been offered and like a lot of people suspected, he just has'nt been good enough.

If we do go down, the finger of blame will point elsewhere which will be a shame but understandable. Lessons learned and all that.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 27, 2012, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Yep,that's how I saw it.

Anything specific that indicated that?
He was asked about the statement and said it was only about the next 3 games,not next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:25:19 PM
i see the same body language that i've been seeing for the last  months,
 and that is one where he knows he's going and is just going through the motions,
 obviously he doesnt want to get Villa relegated as it will be some sort of record, 3 times in 4 years is going to take some beating, and i'm sure he'l do all he can not to have that on his CV



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
From an article on bbc.co.uk

Quote
"They realise the tough job I've got and perhaps that's why they've chosen me because they've seen me getting through tough jobs like this before."

he must be living in his own little world.  He's had this same tough job twice before in the premier league and has failed both times.  Seems like a really strange thing for him to even bring up, he must realise how that will read to anyone who knows his record in the league.  I genuinely think he's given up even thinking about what he says now.

That is just incredible.

Tough job? For fucks sake. Nowhere near as tough as the one he bollocksed up last season.

Alex, the reason they chose you is because they're fucking clueless.

I genuinely have an even lower opinion of this bloke than I did of O'Leary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
From an article on bbc.co.uk

Quote
"They realise the tough job I've got and perhaps that's why they've chosen me because they've seen me getting through tough jobs like this before."

he must be living in his own little world.  He's had this same tough job twice before in the premier league and has failed both times.  Seems like a really strange thing for him to even bring up, he must realise how that will read to anyone who knows his record in the league.  I genuinely think he's given up even thinking about what he says now.

That is just incredible.

Tough job? For fucks sake. Nowhere near as tough as the one he bollocksed up last season.

Alex, the reason they chose you is because they're fucking clueless.

I genuinely have an even lower opinion of this bloke than I did of O'Leary.

Quite, all a bit different from his initial claims.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 27, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: john e on April 27, 2012, 08:25:19 PM
i see the same body language that i've been seeing for the last  months,
 and that is one where he knows he's going and is just going through the motions,
 obviously he doesnt want to get Villa relegated as it will be some sort of record, 3 times in 4 years is going to take some beating, and i'm sure he'll do all he can not to have that on his CV

He might do his best but we've already seen that it's nowhere near good enough. Like it or not, the unwelcome addition to his CV will be determined by other teams and nothing to do with anything which he can influence. The only really positive action which he could have taken in recent months was to leave but you can't blame him for hanging on for the pay off. I'm starting to feel sorry for him now as it's not his fault that he's not good enough and I genuinely hope that he doesn't have to face the personal abuse which he'll get at the Spurs game. If the club has any sense they'll save him the humiliation and we can get on with supporting the team without distraction.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 27, 2012, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 27, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 27, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Yep,that's how I saw it.

Anything specific that indicated that?
He was asked about the statement and said it was only about the next 3 games,not next season.


Good that's promising. I just pray we stay in the league and he's gone come the end of May.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 10:03:35 PM
I have  ever advocated sacking AM mid season.  See Wolves.

However the reaction of the fans from all sides of the ground during the Bolton game means that whatever the result at Albion, it's not going to be good for Spurs. In fact if we go behind its going to be bloody awful.  To some extent it has had a profound effect on the kids.  Hence our home form.

With only 2 games after the Baggies, it makes no sense to keep AM after WBA.

Whatever the result at WBA, sack him.  The effect on the Spurs game would be enormous. A full house, fantastic atmosphere and the effect on the team enormous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 27, 2012, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on April 27, 2012, 10:03:35 PM

Whatever the result at WBA, sack him.  The effect on the Spurs game would be enormous. A full house, fantastic atmosphere and the effect on the team enormous.
Yes. It would be nice for all those who were never going again to put their money where their mouth is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 10:43:56 PM
McLeish is now a lame duck manager. It's all about the players and the team. Maybe, perversely, someone like Dunne could influence the players over the next couple of games. It's not like we've got many other options.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2012, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 27, 2012, 10:43:56 PM
McLeish is now a lame duck manager. It's all about the players and the team. Maybe, perversely, someone like Dunne could influence the players over the next couple of games. It's not like we've got many other options.

Might be a bit like letting the lunatics take over the asylum but it can't be any worse than we're currently getting. A couple of draws might be enough. Anything that works to give us those points and I'd snatch someones arms off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 27, 2012, 11:42:01 PM
Correct. We need to stay up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 28, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
I’m actually starting to believe that there is more chance of him getting the sack if we win against the Tesco bags than if we lose.

 A win tomorrow and we are safe (my own opinion) so we copuld sack him or he resigns, we put Kev Mac and Sid in charge for the last 2 games and get a good feeling about the club again and what ever we get from the those games is a bonus in a way, Job done everyone can walk away happy (in a weird way).

Lose to the boggies and I think RL and PF will continue to back him because they really are clueless and it seems that they really, really do want to prove that they where right.

I know the 2 above sentences are slightly contidicting in that a win tomorrow proves RL and PF right anyway but I think they will have to act because even though he has done the job that he was brought into do (survive), he has done it in the most abysmal way with negative, defensive and boring football.

If RL and PF had any sense about them (doughtful I know) they would look at how the likes of Wigan have about things and realise that you do not need to play the scrap football we have had to sit through for the vast majority of this season to at the very least survive and that with a decent manager we could actually do ok without spending millions like Swansea and Norwich have proved this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Yossarian on April 28, 2012, 12:07:01 AM
I can confirm that McCleish has purchased a rather big house in Welford-Upon-Avon just down from The Shakespeare. Not the actions of a man who thinks he might be out of a job anytime soon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
McLeish will not be sacked if we win. He will not be sacked if we lose. The club have made a statement about the three remaining games and come hell or high-water they will stick to their plan. And I can see their point - he's been a disaster, but it's insanity to sack somebody with two weeks left of the season, especially during a relegation battle. The instability of doing so could capsize an already listing ship. Not even Newcastle would do such a thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 28, 2012, 12:07:01 AM
I can confirm that McCleish has purchased a rather big house in Welford-Upon-Avon just down from The Shakespeare. Not the actions of a man who thinks he might be out of a job anytime soon.

Pre-contract from Wolves  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 28, 2012, 12:11:04 AM
I think he really might go if Villa lose tomorrow, but I think he'll hang on for a while if we win.  If we draw I haven't got a clue what will happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 28, 2012, 12:12:33 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 28, 2012, 12:07:01 AM
I can confirm that McCleish has purchased a rather big house in Welford-Upon-Avon just down from The Shakespeare. Not the actions of a man who thinks he might be out of a job anytime soon.

It takes ages for these house purchases to go through.  A contractor where I work did this, then his contract ended and he had to move on.  It happens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
Quote from: villanic on April 28, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
I know the 2 above sentences are slightly contidicting in that a win tomorrow proves RL and PF right anyway but I think they will have to act because even though he has done the job that he was brought into do (survive), he has done it in the most abysmal way with negative, defensive and boring football.

Can we please dispense with this myth.  He was not bought in with the aim being to survive.  I doubt it ever crossed the minds of Lerner and Faulkner that we'd be down where we are, they certainly didn't give him a remit of survival being enough.  It's something that a lot of fans have made up to justify him getting the job with 0 evidence that it's the case.  Look at the comments the manager and club made early in his time with us, as deluded as it seemed at the time (and has subsequently proven to have been) they were talking about europe.  Why talk about europe if the goal is survival and consolidation.

We've underperformed against every possible measure, don't diminish his culpability by suggesting the club expected us to be as shit as we have been, it's not true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 28, 2012, 12:18:36 AM
Totally agree with Paul e post above
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2012, 12:41:18 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 28, 2012, 12:07:01 AM
I can confirm that McCleish has purchased a rather big house in Welford-Upon-Avon just down from The Shakespeare. Not the actions of a man who thinks he might be out of a job anytime soon.

Like it matters to football players and managers where their house is.  It was probably a cash purchase, and even if he gets the push he's hardly going to worry about meeting the mortgage payments.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
He'll end up at Wolves. I'm telling you.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
He'll end up at Wolves. I'm telling you.

Good, they deserve each other.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 12:54:24 AM
They'd love him at Wolves. His record of getting teams to average 1 goal a game will have them feeling like Barcelona.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 01:03:38 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
He'll end up at Wolves. I'm telling you.

Good, they deserve each other.

It wouldn't shock me either if he brought them back at the first go. It's his level. They'll just need to get rid as soon they've achieved promotion though because the rest of it will be inevitable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
Would they be able to cope with averaging a goal a game though? They'll think they've turned into Barcelona with that kind of ratio.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 01:08:20 AM
Wolves have never gone down that 'rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' road. If he got them back up they'd love him and they probably are about his level. He's not a bad manager, he's just not good enough for us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on April 28, 2012, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: paul_e on April 28, 2012, 12:13:06 AM
Quote from: villanic on April 28, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
I know the 2 above sentences are slightly contidicting in that a win tomorrow proves RL and PF right anyway but I think they will have to act because even though he has done the job that he was brought into do (survive), he has done it in the most abysmal way with negative, defensive and boring football.

Can we please dispense with this myth.  He was not bought in with the aim being to survive.  I doubt it ever crossed the minds of Lerner and Faulkner that we'd be down where we are, they certainly didn't give him a remit of survival being enough.  It's something that a lot of fans have made up to justify him getting the job with 0 evidence that it's the case.  Look at the comments the manager and club made early in his time with us, as deluded as it seemed at the time (and has subsequently proven to have been) they were talking about europe. Why talk about europe if the goal is survival and consolidation.

We've underperformed against every possible measure, don't diminish his culpability by suggesting the club expected us to be as shit as we have been, it's not true.

Selling 2 of your best players (both wingers who provide service when you’ve just sign a top striker) in the close season and only buying 1 player (who's proven himself average to Downing let alone Tom Daley oh sorry Ash Young) to replace them and relying on the kids to be good enough for a whole premier league season as well as publicly stated that we are cutting costs and looking to significantly change the way we operate in regards to financial prudence proves, in my opinion, that the club where just looking to survive in the prem this season and maybe even for a couple of seasons.

As for the point of the club (mainly PF) talking about European qualification, The majority of clubs in the premier league will say that European competition qualification in there aim for the season, It's talked up to persuade fans to by season tickets and to give to impression that the club is aiming for higher goals than they actually are, the clubs are businesses after all and remember that 2 seasons ago Steve Kean said he would have Blackburn in the champions league within 4 season, he may still have 2 seasons to do it but I cant see it happening somehow.

Don't buy into all the PR crap the club comes out with, remember 'proud history, bright future', that’s well and truly gone out the window now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 28, 2012, 01:13:28 AM



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 02:02:05 AM
Reading the article in the Telegraph it's hard not to sympathise with him. I'm starting to feel like it wouldn't just have been better for us if he'd never been appointed, it'd have been better for him too. It can't be easy to have so many people calling you incompetent. Vulgar abuse you can brush off, but people questioning how good you are at what you've devoted your life to, that can't be pleasant. Especially when, as is sadly the case here, that questioning is justified.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 28, 2012, 02:07:27 AM
I agree Monty. It's just all an appalling mess now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 02:15:58 AM
Then again: "The fans aren't seeing the top Villa side, they are seeing a lot of inexperienced kids. Sometimes there are more kids in the team than there are experienced players, so they have to take that into consideration. That would be the only thing I would ask that people understand from that point of view. Just because you wear that badge, doesn't mean to say you're European Cup quality."

I mean, these are the kids we're going to have to rely on in this crucial relegation battle - and we will have to rely on them as he himself constantly alludes to, partially due to injuries - and the man thinks this is the way to motivate them. On the eve of a crucial derby. I mean for fuck's sake, he doesn't half make life difficult for himself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 01:08:20 AM
Wolves have never gone down that 'rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' road. If he got them back up they'd love him and they probably are about his level. He's not a bad manager, he's just not good enough for us.

To hear you say that so openly gives me hope that something has tipped.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 01:08:20 AM
Wolves have never gone down that 'rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' road. If he got them back up they'd love him and they probably are about his level. He's not a bad manager, he's just not good enough for us.

To hear you say that so openly gives me hope that something has tipped.

Don't take it as Gospel, it's just my thoughts on the situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:30:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 01:08:20 AM
Wolves have never gone down that 'rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' road. If he got them back up they'd love him and they probably are about his level. He's not a bad manager, he's just not good enough for us.

To hear you say that so openly gives me hope that something has tipped.

Don't take it as Gospel, it's just my thoughts on the situation.

Of course, and I wouldn't like to pressure you in such a way. It's just that your opinion carries a lot of weight and any little glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel is very welcome. It's nice to see that (various signs indicate) it's looking increasingly likely that a parting of the ways will happen regardless of our end of season plight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 02:32:09 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:30:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 01:08:20 AM
Wolves have never gone down that 'rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' road. If he got them back up they'd love him and they probably are about his level. He's not a bad manager, he's just not good enough for us.

To hear you say that so openly gives me hope that something has tipped.

Don't take it as Gospel, it's just my thoughts on the situation.

Of course, and I wouldn't like to pressure you in such a way. It's just that your opinion carries a lot of weight and any little glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel is very welcome. It's nice to see that (various signs indicate) it's looking increasingly likely that a parting of the ways will happen regardless of our end of season plight.

Please don't think it's anything other than me talking last-night shite 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on April 28, 2012, 06:16:04 AM
Wish it wouldn't say, "Go down" at the top of each page!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2012, 06:32:35 AM
Just watching that YouTube clip of then end of the Bolton game, how fucking quick did Bannan run to get off the pitch and down the tunnel? He must have been worried about making last orders.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 27, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Saw him on Midlands Today and his demeanor was that of a man who has already been told that he's gone at the end of the season no matter what happens in the next three games.

I expect to see an official announcement the day after the season ends.
Is it too early to start a 'McLeish's Next Job' thread?

He'd be perfect for Wolves.

Being sent to Coventry would be more fitting.  He could keep his brand new house in Lapworth too,   easy enough commute. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 02:02:05 AM
Reading the article in the Telegraph it's hard not to sympathise with him. I'm starting to feel like it wouldn't just have been better for us if he'd never been appointed, it'd have been better for him too. It can't be easy to have so many people calling you incompetent. Vulgar abuse you can brush off, but people questioning how good you are at what you've devoted your life to, that can't be pleasant. Especially when, as is sadly the case here, that questioning is justified.

I feel very sorry for him. He's a thoroughly decent man and a nice guy. I never thought he'd be good enough or positive enough for us. But some of the bile spat at him leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The suggestion he doesn't care is just wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2012, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: andyh on April 28, 2012, 06:32:35 AM
Just watching that YouTube clip of then end of the Bolton game, how fucking quick did Bannan run to get off the pitch and down the tunnel? He must have been worried about making last orders.

Perhaps he's a 22 yr old kid who's been getting loads of abuse from villa fans on twitter and wanted to escape that atmosphere as soon as possible?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: kipstone on April 28, 2012, 07:51:34 AM
This man is the worst possible thing to have happened to the club since relegation to the 3rd division. His incompetence and inherent defence both with his tactics on the pitch and his lack of admission of responsibility off the pitch shows how incapable his skills are. The replacement players (e.g. Hutton) have fallen short, the youngsters have made huge efforts but even if Young, Downing and Milner were still with the club it is unlikely that Villa under McLeish would have been in any better position.

 The clubs impotent executive management and ownership are derelict in their responsibility, their ignorance of their understanding of the Clubs fans and heritage by even considering McLeish as a viable appointment. This is blasphemy and  typical of the blind USA management ethics,  ignoring their customers and putting themselves first.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 07:58:32 AM
I don't blame McLeish for our current situation. He was offered an unbelievable opportunity by Lerner and co which he'd have been mad not to jump at given his situation at the time. He wasn't good enough, but to be honest a 12 year old kid could have spotted that. The Villa board are the real culprits for our current situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2012, 08:00:21 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
Quote from: paul_e on April 27, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
From an article on bbc.co.uk

Quote
"They realise the tough job I've got and perhaps that's why they've chosen me because they've seen me getting through tough jobs like this before."

he must be living in his own little world.  He's had this same tough job twice before in the premier league and has failed both times.  Seems like a really strange thing for him to even bring up, he must realise how that will read to anyone who knows his record in the league.  I genuinely think he's given up even thinking about what he says now.

That is just incredible.

Tough job? For fucks sake. Nowhere near as tough as the one he bollocksed up last season.

Alex, the reason they chose you is because they're fucking clueless.

I genuinely have an even lower opinion of this bloke than I did of O'Leary.

He's not as condescending about the club as O'leary was.  But the increasing volume of excuses used to justify his piss poor performance has parallels.


The one positive in all this is he increasingly has less room to maneuver.

If the football had been poor but the results okay, it might be a dilemma.  But it's not.

In fact, even if he was a thoroughly smashing, decent chap and had had us playing football on a par with Brazil 1970 at times this year, it wouldn't be enough.  Ultimately it's a results business.  Remove the emotion, the pro/anti McLeish arguments, where he came from and all the rest of it. Without bias, and in cold, clinical terms the results just haven't been good enough.  Nowhere near good enough. That should do for him in the end.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 28, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 02:02:05 AM
Reading the article in the Telegraph it's hard not to sympathise with him. I'm starting to feel like it wouldn't just have been better for us if he'd never been appointed, it'd have been better for him too. It can't be easy to have so many people calling you incompetent. Vulgar abuse you can brush off, but people questioning how good you are at what you've devoted your life to, that can't be pleasant. Especially when, as is sadly the case here, that questioning is justified.

I feel very sorry for him. He's a thoroughly decent man and a nice guy. I never thought he'd be good enough or positive enough for us. But some of the bile spat at him leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The suggestion he doesn't care is just wrong.
Nice man.He is screwing us over for 2million a year pretending to be a football manager.His style of football is leaving a bad taste in the mouth,the taste of sick.
If he was half a man he would of walked by now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2012, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 28, 2012, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on April 28, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 02:02:05 AM
Reading the article in the Telegraph it's hard not to sympathise with him. I'm starting to feel like it wouldn't just have been better for us if he'd never been appointed, it'd have been better for him too. It can't be easy to have so many people calling you incompetent. Vulgar abuse you can brush off, but people questioning how good you are at what you've devoted your life to, that can't be pleasant. Especially when, as is sadly the case here, that questioning is justified.

I feel very sorry for him. He's a thoroughly decent man and a nice guy. I never thought he'd be good enough or positive enough for us. But some of the bile spat at him leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The suggestion he doesn't care is just wrong.
Nice man.He is screwing us over for 2million a year pretending to be a football manager.His style of football is leaving a bad taste in the mouth,the taste of sick.
If he was half a man he would of walked by now.

Completely remove the job from the conversation and I'd accept he was a decent guy but I don't have any respect for anyone in management who publically points the blame for failings at other people.  You're job is to be the focal point.  If everything goes well you get the plaudits, if it goes badly you accept the criticism, that's the fundamental truism of good man management.  The opposite is this teflon-coated approach where nothing sticks to you that McLeish has increasingly moved towards this season.

If all the blame was pointed at the under-performing seniors it would be frustrating but more understandable, that a number of times the finger has pointed at a guy who has only played a handful of top flight matches (think of Baker after the Chelsea game) makes it infuriating.  I've had managers like this in the past and all it leads to, in any environment, is a situation where you do just enough to avoid criticism but you never step up in case you make a target of yourself or you get people who openly rebel.  Both are a great way of taking a comfortable mid-table squad and getting them into a relegation battle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2012, 09:04:08 AM
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's hard to keep track of all the threads.  Pretty searching interview from the Mail:

Click (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/alex-mcleish-it-s-not-about-me-it-s-about-aston-villa-and-these-9-points-97319-30856484/)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 28, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on April 28, 2012, 12:07:01 AM
I can confirm that McCleish has purchased a rather big house in Welford-Upon-Avon just down from The Shakespeare. Not the actions of a man who thinks he might be out of a job anytime soon.

Could be the actions of a man who has been given a huge hint that he's getting the Wolves job?

*EDIT* As lots of other people have already said if I had bothered to read the rest of the thread before posting!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2012, 09:47:25 AM
3 pages of interview in which McLeish won't take the blame for how shit we are. Is he David O Leary in disguise? What an idiot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2012, 10:00:41 AM
Just go please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2012, 09:04:08 AM
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's hard to keep track of all the threads.  Pretty searching interview from the Mail:

Click (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/alex-mcleish-it-s-not-about-me-it-s-about-aston-villa-and-these-9-points-97319-30856484/)
That interview is incredible!
Firstly, it's incredulous that he seems to take no personal responsibility whatsoever for the state the club is in.
Secondly, to me, its almost like a post sacking interview, one he'd give after being sacked.
Strange.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Quote
'We have lost our captain, vice-captain, the guy they brought in last year to help them stay up'

That bit really annoyed me!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:37:45 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Quote
'We have lost our captain, vice-captain, the guy they brought in last year to help them stay up'

That bit really annoyed me!

He's making Dolly look like an amateur.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 28, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Best scenario today is a Villa win followed by Mcleech's immediate resignation. He would then not have the third relegation to worry about and could walk away, at least in his own mind, fairly happy. Fingers crossed for that, but no breath being held here that's for sure!

Even Wolves wouldn't touch him now ... would they?  ???
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: James on April 28, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Best scenario today is a Villa win followed by Mcleech's immediate resignation. He would then not have the third relegation to worry about and could walk away, at least in his own mind, fairly happy. Fingers crossed for that, but no breath being held here that's for sure!


That'd be perfect. There might be a great atmosphere for the Spurs game too. I might just look at flights actually and see can I go...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
He'll end up at Wolves. I'm telling you.

Good, they deserve each other.

Disagree there Risso, they are far better than the lot we are playing  today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: James on April 28, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Best scenario today is a Villa win followed by Mcleech's immediate resignation. He would then not have the third relegation to worry about and could walk away, at least in his own mind, fairly happy. Fingers crossed for that, but no breath being held here that's for sure!


That'd be perfect. There might be a great atmosphere for the Spurs game too. I might just look at flights actually and see can I go...

I've could have possibly gone Corporate today and sat in their Directors Box. I can't even entertain them winning today, so I've decided to lay flooring in my in my lads bedroom instead. That should take my mind off it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: James on April 28, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Best scenario today is a Villa win followed by Mcleech's immediate resignation. He would then not have the third relegation to worry about and could walk away, at least in his own mind, fairly happy. Fingers crossed for that, but no breath being held here that's for sure!


That'd be perfect. There might be a great atmosphere for the Spurs game too. I might just look at flights actually and see can I go...

I've could have possibly gone Corporate today and sat in their Directors Box. I can't even entertain them winning today, so I've decided to lay flooring in my in my lads bedroom instead. That should take my mind off it.

I rarely ever miss following a game but deliberately missed nearly all the United game and switched off at half time in the Bolton match after missed all those chances. Today I have planned to go to the gym, then catch up with a friend who has no interest in football. Desperate times but my nerves would be shot otherwise.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: Lee on April 28, 2012, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: James on April 28, 2012, 10:39:06 AM
Best scenario today is a Villa win followed by Mcleech's immediate resignation. He would then not have the third relegation to worry about and could walk away, at least in his own mind, fairly happy. Fingers crossed for that, but no breath being held here that's for sure!


That'd be perfect. There might be a great atmosphere for the Spurs game too. I might just look at flights actually and see can I go...

I've could have possibly gone Corporate today and sat in their Directors Box. I can't even entertain them winning today, so I've decided to lay flooring in my in my lads bedroom instead. That should take my mind off it.

I rarely ever miss following a game but deliberately missed nearly all the United game and switched off at half time in the Bolton match after missed all those chances. Today I have planned to go to the gym, then catch up with a friend who has no interest in football. Desperate times but my nerves would be shot otherwise.

That's why I'm doing DIY, my pet hate but today is a valid alternative. I can see their shithole from my bedroom window too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 12:15:19 PM
In the interview there he does say how we "lost our composure at the back" and "resorted to long punts up the pitch". So he seems, at least with hindsight, that that doesn't work. The fact, then, that these similar group of players as last year who, towards the end of last season, showed that Houllier's attempts to change the style were beginning to pay off, now "resort to long punts up the pitch" does not reflect brilliantly on the training this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on April 28, 2012, 12:23:58 PM
I'm off to do some modifications to my 44 year old Lambretta. I ride it all over the country and gives me less grief than that idiot McLeish. Likely to piss it down and I will get soaked through but still more enjoyable than watching McLeish' Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 28, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Savage has just summed us up on Football focus.

'They have no pattern and seem to play like they've always got the handbrake on.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 28, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 28, 2012, 10:00:41 AM
Just go please.
Thats very polite!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: joe_c on April 28, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2012, 09:04:08 AM
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's hard to keep track of all the threads.  Pretty searching interview from the Mail:

Click (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/alex-mcleish-it-s-not-about-me-it-s-about-aston-villa-and-these-9-points-97319-30856484/)

He kicked a dog to death, the bastard.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 28, 2012, 01:37:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 28, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Savage has just summed us up on Football focus.

'They have no pattern and seem to play like they've always got the handbrake on.'
The first time i would agree wiyh the blonde welsh ponce!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: joe_c on April 28, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 28, 2012, 09:04:08 AM
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but it's hard to keep track of all the threads.  Pretty searching interview from the Mail:

Click (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/alex-mcleish-it-s-not-about-me-it-s-about-aston-villa-and-these-9-points-97319-30856484/)

He kicked a dog to death, the bastard.

I like this from a blue nose

It all boils down to arrogance. For him to think that he could walk out of Blues and straight into Villa believing he would be successful is beyond belief given his brief in respect of available money. He has not the skill to be successfull in the premiership. He does not get that extra 10% out of players when it is needed. When he came to Blues, did he have the 'O'Neil' effect and keep Blues up? No. Nor did he keep us up last season with a much better squad. Ok we had a good run in his first full EPL season, but that was based on a good defence. And the  writing was on the wall then in respect of the goals we scored that season. 15 games undefeated yes, but not many goals and alot of draws. Last season, defensive frailties and not enough goals.... a good manager would have seen this and addressed it in the close season. Leaner has been good for Villa, investment has been undertaken and they went for the top 4. Fair Play to em for going for it... and realistically they only failed at the last leg. But that's gone and Villa now need to be realistic by firstly getting shot of their average championship manager.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2012, 04:54:45 PM
Just leave.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
I think we'd beat Spurs if he left. Get the Holte End rocking again. Send the youngsters off with a positive response from Villa Park.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2012, 05:02:28 PM
It's a case of we are relying on others not to score and get results. If Sunderland hadn't got a draw we would be in massive trouble. I know we got a point but we're not getting ourselves out of trouble, it's others keeping us a float. Get him out of the club as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
McL to go... KMac to manage the kids against Spurs. That would do it, I reckon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 28, 2012, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
McL to go... KMac to manage the kids against Spurs. That would do it, I reckon.

This for me is the only way Randy can start to redeem himself... as well as secure our premier league status in the process.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2012, 05:31:33 PM
Cheeky...

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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TaxDodger on April 28, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
If we sack McLeish, perhaaps Hutton will go too. It would be worth sacking McLeish just for that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
After that battling point today I think he needs more time.


*down the dole office*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 28, 2012, 06:02:53 PM
please tell me you're being ironic?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2012, 06:03:31 PM
Check the text inbetween * and *...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 28, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.
... and no celebration at the end, like at the end of the Stoke game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 28, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: ez on April 28, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.
... and no celebration at the end, like at the end of the Stoke game.

What was there to celebrate? Another point closer to safety courtesy of Hutton's handball on the line?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 06:18:18 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 28, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: ez on April 28, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.
... and no celebration at the end, like at the end of the Stoke game.

What was there to celebrate? Another point closer to safety courtesy of Hutton's handball on the line?

A point in an away derby he'd normally be jumping around like a monkey on speed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on April 28, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
Our only chance is to sack him and put KMc in charge, he will at least try to win a game.

Problem is, we are fucked, the whole squad is drained of confidence and we are now relying on other teams to be even shitter than us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2012, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: ez on April 28, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.
... and no celebration at the end, like at the end of the Stoke game.

Whilst ordinarily, I'd be glad to hear PF and RL had decided to get shot of this idiot at the end of the season, if they've told him already, with points still to play for, they're even bigger morons than i thought they were when they hired him in the first place.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 28, 2012, 06:25:31 PM
I get the feeling after what happened with Kmac last time him taking over and then not getting the job.I don't think Randy want's to put him in that position again and possible be in charge should we go down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: Shrek on April 28, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
Our only chance is to sack him and put KMc in charge, he will at least try to win a game.

Problem is, we are fucked, the whole squad is drained of confidence and we are now relying on other teams to be even shitter than us.

Nah... we're not fucked yet. Maybe we could beat Norwich? Can't see us doing Spuds though... a draw at best there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 28, 2012, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.


i have a camp ?

i really dont know what to say, thanks to my mum and dad, and everyone else who voted for me


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nigel Macdougall on April 28, 2012, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: john e on April 28, 2012, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.


i have a camp ?

i really dont know what to say, thanks to my mum and dad, and everyone else who voted for me




Ging gang gooly golly watcha !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
Does he still have a future...here?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2012, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: john e on April 28, 2012, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on April 28, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
I'm now in the John E camp. Looking at how subdued McLeish was on the touchline on today and in the pre-match interview it seems to me he knows that he is gone at the end of the season. I imagine that Lerner and Faulkner would have told him already.


i have a camp ?

i really dont know what to say, thanks to my mum and dad, and everyone else who voted for me


Just keep your fingers crossed that it doesn't cost £500 to set up camp!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 28, 2012, 07:21:01 PM
Hasn't he been sacked yet?

I didn't watch the game - I couldn't bear to.  But instead I ended up watching Soccer Saturday whilst curled up in the foetal position, letting out a little bit of wee each time they went to the Hawthorns.

This isn't how supporting Villa is meant to be.  I wish the season finished today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
anybody else wait till 5.00pm and fire up the laptop for a squint through one half closed eye at Sky sports centre only to see Wigan 4 Newcastle 0 ?
Absolutely desperate times !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 28, 2012, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
anybody else wait till 5.00pm and fire up the laptop for a squint through one half closed eye at Sky sports centre only to see Wigan 4 Newcastle 0 ?
Absolutely desperate times !
Makes you wonder why Wigan are down there?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve kirk on April 28, 2012, 07:46:40 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
anybody else wait till 5.00pm and fire up the laptop for a squint through one half closed eye at Sky sports centre only to see Wigan 4 Newcastle 0 ?
Absolutely desperate times !
I stayed away from the whole game then put the telly on and watched scores coming across the bottom of the screen, the Wigan result shook me a bit but seeing West Brom with 0 after it made me feel slightly better.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
McLeish definitely has that "dead man walking" air about him.  Still, if we do stay up, his reputation won't be completely in tatters, and the pay off will be quite nice I suppose.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: D.boy on April 28, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
If they do get rid then I won't have much sympathy, not when he will be sat counting his millions. What other job pays you several million pounds for being a failure?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2012, 08:05:04 PM
Quote from: Shrek on April 28, 2012, 06:22:15 PM
Our only chance is to sack him and put KMc in charge, he will at least try to win a game.

Problem is, we are fucked, the whole squad is drained of confidence and we are now relying on other teams to be even shitter than us.

The thing is, that isn't true, is it?

We have the points on the board, the teams below us don't.

We could quite easily not take another point now and still stay up.

Don't get me wrong, we are far from safe, but we are also far from fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
Quote from: D.boy on April 28, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
If they do get rid then I won't have much sympathy, not when he will be sat counting his millions. What other job pays you several million pounds for being a failure?

Prime Minister?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Saunders9 on April 28, 2012, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 28, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
Quote from: D.boy on April 28, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
If they do get rid then I won't have much sympathy, not when he will be sat counting his millions. What other job pays you several million pounds for being a failure?

Prime Minister?

Cameron is on around £200,000 per year, I'd say mcleish's wages would be 10 times that
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 28, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
i want him gone but why are so many convinced he's already been handed his P45? With such a real theat of relegation wouldn't keeping him as a dead man walking be an unbelieveably risky strategy for survival? Just a thought.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on April 28, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: ez on April 28, 2012, 07:43:24 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
anybody else wait till 5.00pm and fire up the laptop for a squint through one half closed eye at Sky sports centre only to see Wigan 4 Newcastle 0 ?
Absolutely desperate times !
Makes you wonder why Wigan are down there?
They've been beyond shit all season up until the last month.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Surrey Villain on April 28, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: D.boy on April 28, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
If they do get rid then I won't have much sympathy, not when he will be sat counting his millions. What other job pays you several million pounds for being a failure?

Bankers!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
I'm quite convinced he's a goner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
I'm quite convinced he's a goner.

Thing is, he should be a goner now. There's absolutely no use an obvious lame duck sitting in the dugout while the players sleepwalk through games, possibly to relegation. Our best chance of getting results in the last two games is without him in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
I'm quite convinced he's a goner.

Thing is, he should be a goner now. There's absolutely no use an obvious lame duck sitting in the dugout while the players sleepwalk through games, possibly to relegation. Our best chance of getting results in the last two games is without him in charge.

I agree completely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2012, 08:28:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 28, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 08:18:59 PM
I'm quite convinced he's a goner.

Thing is, he should be a goner now. There's absolutely no use an obvious lame duck sitting in the dugout while the players sleepwalk through games, possibly to relegation. Our best chance of getting results in the last two games is without him in charge.
Perhaps it's a dignity thing with Lerner: "I'll keep you to the end of the season, Alex, and then we'll agree to reluctantly part company. Paul will give you the brown envelope and you'll agree not to say anything bad about me."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 28, 2012, 08:45:15 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC

Just what the fuck is this bloke on.
He stayed sat in the dugout because he was in the middle and it was too hard to get past Grant?
Does he take everyone for raving fucking imbeciles.
Take responsibility! Stop spouting absolute and total bollox you stupid, fucking wanker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 28, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC

He said: "My seat was in the middle and it was a bit of a chore trying to get past Peter Grant so I just let him stay out there and pass the messages on."

Mcleish really doesn't help himself in some of these interviews. In an absolutely vital game, he claims that he avoided being on the touchline during the match because he couldn't be bothered to get past Grant. Incredible! Perhaps all of the players know he's leaving so would take even less notice of him than they normally do.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 28, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC

He said: "My seat was in the middle and it was a bit of a chore trying to get past Peter Grant so I just let him stay out there and pass the messages on."

Mcleish really doesn't help himself in some of these interviews. In an absolutely vital game, he claims that he avoided being on the touchline during the match because he couldn't be bothered to get past Grant. Incredible! Perhaps all of the players know he's leaving so would take even less notice of him than they normally do.


chore?  sorry Alex is this job putting you out
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 28, 2012, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 28, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC





He said: "My seat was in the middle and it was a bit of a chore trying to get past Peter Grant so I just let him stay out there and pass the messages on."

Mcleish really doesn't help himself in some of these interviews. In an absolutely vital game, he claims that he avoided being on the touchline during the match because he couldn't be bothered to get past Grant. Incredible! Perhaps all of the players know he's leaving so would take even less notice of him than they normally do.


chore?  sorry Alex is this job putting you out


If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous, it would be hilarious. SORRY your 2 million a year salary makes it a "chore" to struggle past your assistant, poor poor Alex. Thought I had it tough......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ACVilla on April 28, 2012, 09:26:58 PM
I spoke to a fellow Villa fan in the pub last night, long term season ticket holder etc etc.

He still believes that Mc***** should be given more time and stated that the majority of Villa fans only want him out because he came from the Blues. I was incredulous and actually got really angry. I had to walk away, I couldn't speak to him any longer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 09:28:59 PM
Quote from: ACVilla on April 28, 2012, 09:26:58 PM
I spoke to a fellow Villa fan in the pub last night, long term season ticket holder etc etc.

He still believes that Mc***** should be given more time and stated that the majority of Villa fans only want him out because he came from the Blues. I was incredulous and actually got really angry. I had to walk away, I couldn't speak to him any longer.

wasnt mrs eck was it ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 28, 2012, 09:24:08 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 28, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 28, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/04/28/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-on-richard-dunne-return-a-point-gained-and-staying-seated-in-the-dugout-97319-30861118/#ixzz1tMeyK6TC





He said: "My seat was in the middle and it was a bit of a chore trying to get past Peter Grant so I just let him stay out there and pass the messages on."

Mcleish really doesn't help himself in some of these interviews. In an absolutely vital game, he claims that he avoided being on the touchline during the match because he couldn't be bothered to get past Grant. Incredible! Perhaps all of the players know he's leaving so would take even less notice of him than they normally do.


chore?  sorry Alex is this job putting you out


If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous, it would be hilarious. SORRY your 2 million a year salary makes it a "chore" to struggle past your assistant, poor poor Alex. Thought I had it tough......


It really is fucking pathetic. Even if it was the case, why say it and make yourself look a complete moron? If Faulkner or Randy had any lingering doubts about McLeish surely this puts them to bed. If it is too hard for you Alex to move 10 ft to better position yourself to watch your relegation threatened team, then don't bother to get out of bed in the morning on Monday to take training. It's further than your seemingly insurmountable challenge at the weekend and you'll have to negotiate traffic to get to Bodymoor. Wouldn't want you to be inconvenienced or anything.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 28, 2012, 09:46:46 PM
Why wouldnt you let that leader of men Peter Grant motivate the team, he is really good at it :'(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 28, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
This all smacks of cowardice to me-on the part of Lerner in not making the decision we all want, McLeish is obviously sitting there as a  dead man not having the balls to accept he's failed and should walk to. We desperately need some leadership and it ain't coming from the owner or his useless "manager".   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
McLeish said something like "we have two games to go and if we win them both then that's six points".
I actually think he's not very well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 28, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
McLeish said something like "we have two games to go and if we win them both then that's six points".
I actually think he's not very well.
Sounds like he understands more about football than I gave him credit for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on April 28, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
It looks obvious to me that McLeish has been told he is gone in the summer, which is such a stupid thing for Lerner and Faulkner to have done.

I cannot see a win for us, so we are now relying on other teams, Mcleish has convinced himself we can draw our way to safety.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 28, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: jembob on April 28, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
McLeish said something like "we have two games to go and if we win them both then that's six points".
I actually think he's not very well.
Sounds like he understands more about football than I gave him credit for.
he mentioned the word "win" !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 28, 2012, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: Shrek on April 28, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
It looks obvious to me that McLeish has been told he is gone in the summer, which is such a stupid thing for Lerner and Faulkner to have done.


I can not imagine that he has been told that. I think he has realised that the game is up and will hang on for the pay off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on April 28, 2012, 10:10:52 PM
So it was a "chore" to get past someone who wasn't sitting there anyway!
God only knows what team talks this clown comes out with.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: joe_c on April 28, 2012, 10:11:08 PM
Wigan's result is irrelevant, they aren't in the bottom three and if they finish above us it won't be a disaster.  Equalling or bettering Bolton or Blackburn's results is what is required. Yes I'm as pissed off at this as the rest of you but that is where we are right now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 28, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
He becomes even more of a joke every week. There are surely better ways to dodge a question than to say something so fucking idiotic. What do you do when somebody is between you and where you want to go? You switch places. Has any other manager gone to the Hawthorns and encountered a similar problem? No, they sat in the other seat. Then again, he tends to sit more than other managers. I've noticed that all season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 28, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Did it not spring to mind that swapping seats might solve that A-Level standard conundrum. Is there any other profession where someone so thick can earn so much money?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bad English on April 28, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 28, 2012, 10:06:16 PM
I think he has realised that the game is up and will hang on for the pay off.

And here was me thinking McLeish was going to walk off into the distance like Captain Oates.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:16:05 PM
do you think if  I park my car on his drive he will find it too much of a chore to go to work at Villa and send us down ::)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: newtonsballs on April 28, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
"I may be some time." If only!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: citizenDJ on April 28, 2012, 10:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 28, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
McLeish said something like "we have two games to go and if we win them both then that's six points".
I actually think he's not very well.

Holy smokes, he's right! He could be onto something here!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SashasGrandad on April 28, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
Dear Alex

Scoring more goals than the opposition = 3 points

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: citizenDJ on April 28, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 28, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Did it not spring to mind that swapping seats might solve that A-Level standard conundrum. Is there any other profession where someone so thick can earn so much money?

I'm sure he won't be the last manager to fall foul of the famous Hawthorns Chair Maze. I can see him and Grant sketching out possible solutions on their notepads, a la the 'Fox, Hen, Bag of Grain' puzzle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 28, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Bluenoses generally thought we wouldn't stand for his crap as long as they did. Its taken less than a year. Credit to us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
I don't think he's been told it's all over as much as they dropped several hints and he's taken a week to put the puzzle together. His press conferences now are literally all over the place and not remotely as assured as they were back in August or September. When the club feel compelled to release a statement of dissatisfaction the metaphoric finger has been pointed squarely at the manager. My impression is that it will be swift and done in a way to save face for McLeish. He'll get his dough and likely walk right into another job soon after.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on April 28, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 28, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Did it not spring to mind that swapping seats might solve that A-Level standard conundrum. Is there any other profession where someone so thick can earn so much money?

I'm sure he won't be the last manager to fall foul of the famous Hawthorns Chair Maze. I can see him and Grant sketching out possible solutions on their notepads, a la the 'Fox, Hen, Bag of Grain' puzzle.

I expect him to turn around next week and wonder to himself for several minutes when he signed Sandro and Defoe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2012, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on April 28, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 28, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Did it not spring to mind that swapping seats might solve that A-Level standard conundrum. Is there any other profession where someone so thick can earn so much money?

I'm sure he won't be the last manager to fall foul of the famous Hawthorns Chair Maze. I can see him and Grant sketching out possible solutions on their notepads, a la the 'Fox, Hen, Bag of Grain' puzzle.

oh i love that one right hen first over the river

then grant dragging hesky back ....  no thats wrong 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on April 28, 2012, 10:46:41 PM
Read this on the bbc tms thingy after the match;

Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish: 

"I have had to show my experience and leadership and that has come to the fore. I will not curl up and die. I will persevere to the end as I always have done"

Clearly he can convey this leadership whilst sat down...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Left Side on April 28, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
What a f-ecking coward he is, not wanting to get out of his seat... he is the so called boss, he should have told Grant to move over!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 28, 2012, 10:53:28 PM
He needs a chat with Capello over how to shift your useless assistant manager from his seat!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: steffo on April 28, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Kendrick is being more brazen.

He knows more!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 12:30:17 AM
Quote from: steffo on April 28, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Kendrick is being more brazen.

He knows more!

Example...?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
Kendrick's most recent article in the Mail suggests that McLeish is gone whether we stay up or not. He's not giving too much away but generally he's sat on the fence on such issues when asked. In fact, Up until a few days ago, jut prior to Bolton he even suggested that we should get used to McLeish being here next season. Something has most definitely changed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 12:41:25 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 12:39:22 AM
Kendrick's most recent article in the Mail suggests that McLeish is gone whether we stay up or not. He's not giving too much away but generally he's sat on the fence on such issues when asked. In fact, Up until a few days ago, jut prior to Bolton he even suggested that we should get used to McLeish being here next season. Something has most definitely changed.

Agreed. From Kendrick, who is careful with what he says in order to stay close to the club, what he said in that article was tremendously strong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 01:00:12 AM
Well, it's no suprise.
Only somebody foolishly stubborn to the point of self harming would leave McLeish in charge now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 01:05:35 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 01:00:12 AM
Well, it's no suprise.
Only somebody foolishly stubborn to the point of self harming would leave McLeish in charge now.

I still wouldn't place our owner and CEO comfortably outside of that position.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr-villa on April 29, 2012, 01:07:28 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
My impression is that it will be swift and done in a way to save face for McLeish. He'll get his dough and likely walk right into another job soon after.

Randy should just put him on gardening leave, that way we would only have to pay him until he found another job.  If he then chooses to put his feet up for the next two years then so be it but I doubt he would.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 29, 2012, 01:18:10 AM
Quote from: mr-villa on April 29, 2012, 01:07:28 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
My impression is that it will be swift and done in a way to save face for McLeish. He'll get his dough and likely walk right into another job soon after.

Randy should just put him on gardening leave, that way we would only have to pay him until he found another job.  If he then chooses to put his feet up for the next two years then so be it but I doubt he would.

Talk of a 40-point clause in his contract..?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on April 29, 2012, 01:38:46 AM
If he is indeed a dead man walking, surely we should be spared the spectacle of him standing in the technical area with his hands in his pockets next Sunday. It might even help the team, not having him there as a distraction.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on April 29, 2012, 01:53:18 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on April 29, 2012, 01:38:46 AM
If he is indeed a dead man walking, surely we should be spared the spectacle of him standing in the technical area with his hands in his pockets next Sunday. It might even help the team, not having him there as a distraction.

Do you remember when JG was banned from the touchline and results improved, and then he spent longer and longer periods traveling between the pitch and the Middle Trinity? 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 02:08:57 AM
Another glorious draw and his job is safe until we get two wins/non draws from Chelski and Spuds..Can't wait!  F..ECK off!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 06:18:24 AM
Quote from: mr-villa on April 29, 2012, 01:07:28 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 28, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
My impression is that it will be swift and done in a way to save face for McLeish. He'll get his dough and likely walk right into another job soon after.

Randy should just put him on gardening leave, that way we would only have to pay him until he found another job.  If he then chooses to put his feet up for the next two years then so be it but I doubt he would.

sounds a very sensible idea,
which is why it won't happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:42:01 AM
Is that '40 point clause' just a guess or does someone know anything more tangable?

Bloody good ideas that if its true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 29, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
the answer, my friend, is blowin' in  the wind
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 29, 2012, 09:07:33 AM
There's no way he's been told he's going at the end of the season - I can't believe even Randy/Faulkner would be that stupid. He might very well go at the end of the season, but no organisation would keep an already sacked employee in a critical role to do even more damage. He'd be put on gardening leave and KMac would see out the last two games. Which, incidentally, is my ideal scenario.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 29, 2012, 09:55:49 AM
I reckon he may not have been told, but rumours are negotiations with agents over his targets have been put on hold etc, and the club statement was pretty damning on the manager. If he is here at the start of next season I will eat my hat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
His demeanor against the Baggies spoke volumes, the more interesting point is what is Randy going to do about financing a rebuild? surely if we survive this he will have realised substantial funds will have to be given to any decent incoming manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on April 29, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
I am guessing that they have mutually agreed to part Company after the Norwich game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 29, 2012, 09:58:29 AM
I reckon he will put some cash in this summer, maybe 20 million plus freebies and players moved on, the wages are down and he will know that we need 6-7 players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 29, 2012, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: Moorski on April 29, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
I am guessing that they have mutually agreed to part Company after the Norwich game.

That's my guess too. The lengthy time with Lerner and Faulkner after the Bolton game before doing any post-match press interviews, the statement on the OS, the bits in his press conference about only focusing on the last 3 games, and his entire demeanour throughout yesterday's game, all point towards them agreeing to part company at the end of the season. His time with us is done thank fuck
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on April 29, 2012, 10:10:00 AM
Quote from: Moorski on April 29, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
I am guessing that they have mutually agreed to part Company after the Norwich game.

That's my guess too. The lengthy time with Lerner and Faulkner after the Bolton game before doing any post-match press interviews, the statement on the OS, the bits in his press conference about only focusing on the last 3 games, and his entire demeanour throughout yesterday's game, all point towards them agreeing to part company at the end of the season. His time with us is done thank fuck
Oh i hope you are right on that one.If it is correct then that would lift the doom and gloom that hangs over us at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 10:26:37 AM
I dont understand this desire to put KMac in charge for the end of the season. I went to Newcastle last year when KMac was in charge and it was not a pretty sight.

As painful as it is to watch McLeish's tactics I don't think sacking him now would be the best thing to do. But hopefully Randy has decided that McLeish is gone as soon as the full time whistle goes at Norwich - no matter what division we're in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 10:26:37 AM
I dont understand this desire to put KMac in charge for the end of the season. I went to Newcastle last year when KMac was in charge and it was not a pretty sight.

As painful as it is to watch McLeish's tactics I don't think sacking him now would be the best thing to do. But hopefully Randy has decided that McLeish is gone as soon as the full time whistle goes at Norwich - no matter what division we're in.

Newcastle was as bad as West Ham was good. But KMac would have more players in the current team he is familiar with and vice versa than that team when he was in charge. Its only 2 games, and it should happen in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
KMac took six points from nine and picked up a good draw in Vienna with an away goal... befote Vurtis Davies struck in the second leg.

I think he would lift the squad and cknfidence seems to be one of the biggest issues.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 29, 2012, 10:46:54 AM
I think the point is about removing McLeish from the firing line. He has failed, and any further failures on the pitch will create a sour atmosphere because the mere fact that he's still there gives the fans somebody to vent their spleen at. With him gone, the fans would be united and vocal in their support for the kids. Would KMac do a worse job at this stage?

On the point that Randy and McLeish have already 'mutually agreed' to separate after Norwich. I can't believe that. What motivation does a man that has already been dismissed have to do the best job he can? More likely, they've said: 'We'll see where we are at the end of the season Now keep us up.'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on April 29, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 10:26:37 AM
I dont understand this desire to put KMac in charge for the end of the season. I went to Newcastle last year when KMac was in charge and it was not a pretty sight.

As painful as it is to watch McLeish's tactics I don't think sacking him now would be the best thing to do. But hopefully Randy has decided that McLeish is gone as soon as the full time whistle goes at Norwich - no matter what division we're in.

Newcastle was as bad as West Ham was good. But KMac would have more players in the current team he is familiar with and vice versa than that team when he was in charge. Its only 2 games, and it should happen in my opinion.

West Ham was good on the back of a confident Albrighton and a quite brilliant 26 million pound midfield player. We fell apart when he left, and in truth I would not want KMac or Eck in charge of the last 2. He is assistant at the moment too, so clearly has a greater influence than he had previously. I would sooner see McAndrew given the 2 games!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 10:57:17 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on April 29, 2012, 10:46:54 AM
I think the point is about removing McLeish from the firing line. He has failed, and any further failures on the pitch will create a sour atmosphere because the mere fact that he's still there gives the fans somebody to vent their spleen at. With him gone, the fans would be united and vocal in their support for the kids. Would KMac do a worse job at this stage?

On the point that Randy and McLeish have already 'mutually agreed' to separate after Norwich. I can't believe that. What motivation does a man that has already been dismissed have to do the best job he can? More likely, they've said: 'We'll see where we are at the end of the season Now keep us up.'
This.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 29, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on April 29, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 10:26:37 AM
I dont understand this desire to put KMac in charge for the end of the season. I went to Newcastle last year when KMac was in charge and it was not a pretty sight.

As painful as it is to watch McLeish's tactics I don't think sacking him now would be the best thing to do. But hopefully Randy has decided that McLeish is gone as soon as the full time whistle goes at Norwich - no matter what division we're in.

Newcastle was as bad as West Ham was good. But KMac would have more players in the current team he is familiar with and vice versa than that team when he was in charge. Its only 2 games, and it should happen in my opinion.

West Ham was good on the back of a confident Albrighton and a quite brilliant 26 million pound midfield player. We fell apart when he left, and in truth I would not want KMac or Eck in charge of the last 2. He is assistant at the moment too, so clearly has a greater influence than he had previously. I would sooner see McAndrew given the 2 games!

West Ham wasn't on the back of anything except turmoil, it was the first game of the season and he deserves the credit for getting that team ready who were brilliant across the pitch. The players clearly loved playing for him.

KMac is first team coach and (all conquering) reserves boss and Grant is assistant. I wonder how much input or influence KMac has at the moment. It doesnt look like much considering the style of play.
Anyway, we're talking about an interim situation at best. It's preferable to leaving a man in charge who cant be arsed to get off the bench and looks utterly spent. How is he going to motivate a team now and who else do we have to step in if not KMac and Sid? McAndrew isn't ready for this situation. That would be cruel.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2012, 11:16:35 AM
It's debatable how much influence Kmac has, but on our way up to Old Trafford the other week, a mate of mine spoke to him at Sandbach Services so he did'nt travel with the squad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 11:19:30 AM
McLeech simply won't want another relegation on his CV, but if he walked now it would look just as bad. My guess is Randy, being a nice chap has let McLeech, another nice chap, have his toy, that is Aston Villa Football Club, to play with until the end of the season such that he has a chance of getting another job without the relegation on his CV in exchange for a severance deal that doesn't hurt so much.

Well, it's as good as any other theory, and based on just the same amount of knowledge, i.e. sod all!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 11:47:58 AM
According to mysteryman (don't know if it's the real one) on twitter, McLeish has been called into THE meeting today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 11:47:58 AM
According to mysteryman (don't know if it's the real one) on twitter, McLeish has been called into THE meeting today.

The same Mysteryman who said that no way on earth would McLeish be appointed?  That Mysteryman?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 12:00:35 PM
No idea.  Just reporting what I'd seen tweeted.  No doubt complete bollox of course.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 12:05:03 PM
What meeting is this today then?

I think he'll be gone by tomorrow
...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 12:06:14 PM
So two more potential glorious draws, to add to his CV, in the offing? No resting on laurels now; then there are no laurels to rest on!
If Randy has money to invest in the summer, and a big if, is he going to allow McL to spend it for him? Randy has got what he wanted out of him; just, at the fans expense. Now it is time for Randy to give back something to those fans he has insulted over the past year...or indeed, also, go and let someone who knows something about the game take the reins!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 29, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
After watching his post match interview yesterday I'm more convinced than ever that he was told his future last Tuesday night.
I'm no expert on body language but the McLeish we saw yesterday just looked as if he'd rather be shopping with Mrs. McLeish than giving that interview.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 29, 2012, 12:12:06 PM
I still think a new manager would give everyone a lift at the club and have the same impact a couple of signings would.

To quote the old adage, 'Something Must Be Done', as it can't go on like this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 29, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 11:47:58 AM
According to mysteryman (don't know if it's the real one) on twitter, McLeish has been called into THE meeting today.

The same Mysteryman who said that no way on earth would McLeish be appointed?  That Mysteryman?

A different (fake) one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
Wm Hill removed 'First Manager to go' bet. have they 'closed the book'? Paddy Power offering 5-2 down from 7-2 yesterday.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 29, 2012, 12:34:03 PM
Has anyone on this message board ever been sacked by their boss and then asked to complete a project that's vital to the survival of the company? Neither has McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
Wm Hill removed 'First Manager to go' bet. have they 'closed the book'? Paddy Power offering 5-2 down from 7-2 yesterday.

Oddschecker only has Paddy Power running that book and they still have Redknapp as favourite to leave his job next with the odds on McLeish drifting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on April 29, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Just a matter of time now before he goes, there is no way he will a) want to continue b) be trusted
Must be horrible for him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 29, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Just a matter of time now before he goes, there is no way he will a) want to continue b) be trusted
Must be horrible for him

Yeah, horrible, must be ..... the weather isn't good today is it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on April 29, 2012, 12:55:38 PM
Looks like a manager in name only now. MacDonald was the one losing his rag against Bolton and McLeish taking a back seat, so to speak, against Albion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on April 29, 2012, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: Cuz on April 29, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
Just a matter of time now before he goes, there is no way he will a) want to continue b) be trusted
Must be horrible for him

Goes with the £2m a year territory.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-fc-news/2012/04/29/andy-gray-why-aston-villa-must-not-sack-alex-mcleish-66331-30861208/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on April 29, 2012, 01:19:55 PM
I noticed yesterday that Kevin MacDonald was connected up with an earphone and talking to somebody during the game.  He has looked as though he has become more involved over the last few games at the expense of Grant.  Noticed that Sid has not been on the bench for some time.  Has he been up in the stands and communicating with MacDonald?

The problem we have is that normally you would not change a manager at this late stage but the players look so tense, expecially the younger ones.  It doesn't look like the pressure of the situation, rather being held back from playing their natural game.  An example is a midfield player breaking from defence but rather than driving on, he stops and waits and the momentum/advantage is lost.  It is like they are under instructions to not take chances and play a safety first game.

To bring K.Mac in at this stage depends very much on how much he thinks a change in tactics will help and whether it will lift the players over the two games left.  Can the players adapt to a new way of playing with a weeks training.

I want shot of the current manager, certainly straight after the Norwich match but I am still undecided whether he should go now.  Only people close to the situation can make that decision.

Reading Andy Gray's article in the Mercury, I am astounded that he can say that he believes McLeish is still the man for the job.  He has had three and a half seasons in the PL, surely his results and how he has achieved them shows that he will not change.  Also, he mentioned about him having a preseason, as if he didn't have one last year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 01:25:34 PM
Andy Gray: Why Aston Villa must NOT sack Alex McLeish
Apr 29 2012 by Andy Gray, Sunday Mercury
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REGARDLESS of this weekend’s result against West Brom – I think it’s finally struck the manager, players and supporters of Aston Villa that their top-flight status is under the most serious threat.
Teams around them like Bolton, Blackburn, QPR and Wigan seem to be winning games and – I know this will shock Villa supporters – the answer to survival is not sacking Alex McLeish.
He hasn’t been helped by arriving at Villa Park from Birmingham City – Villa fans don’t forget things like that – but I think those supporters that are calling for McLeish to be sacked are a long way wide of the mark.
It seems very strange for McLeish’s job to be untenable right now. I don’t see what the advantages are of relieving him of his job.
I don’t see what Villa would get out of it and if that’s the case then let’s get safe, let’s get the supporters behind the team and then let’s sit down and discuss what the best way forward is.
What would a new manager be able to do at Villa in the last two games of the season? What could he change and how would he suddenly transform the club and the results? Well, the answer is simple, he wouldn’t be able to. I personally believe McLeish has a future at Villa after the summer but it’s a question for the owner – regardless of his long-term plans, Randy Lerner needs to get behind his manager and back him presently.



Villa are in real danger of going down – I certainly can’t argue with that because the Premier League table doesn’t lie – but they’re in pole position to survive and they can still get themselves out of trouble and safe.
It seems as if they have got stuck, they are struggling to score goals, they have a lot of young kids and the atmosphere they are playing in – as well as the threat of relegation – isn’t helping them.
So they are really struggling at the moment, I understand Villa fans frustration, I really do.
I just hope that Alex gets the one or two wins that he probably needs to keep them up and safe.
After this weekend’s game, they have Tottenham and Norwich in the Premier League and neither is going to be a gimme three points.
I don’t know if large scale changes need to be made to the playing staff. McLeish hasn’t had the best of luck with injuries, losing his best players like Darren Bent, his skipper Richard Dunne and James Collins for long spells, so it has been really tough for him.
And it may be that Villa and Alex will be better for a pre-season. He has been asked to cut costs as well and reduce the wage bill, so it’s not been easy.
If Randy Lerner decides to change his manager then that’s his prerogative, it’s his club but I not certain how it will improve the situation or start manoeuvring the club in the right direction.
I wouldn’t be putting my money on them to go down.
I still think they are good enough to be in the Premier League this season, and I still think there’s a win or two in the locker.
As a Villa follower, I am concerned, yes but I believe McLeish will turn things around and keep this club in the Premier League where they belong.



Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
Andy Gray: Why Aston Villa must NOT sack Alex McLeish

Quote
REGARDLESS of this weekend’s result against West Brom – I think it’s finally struck the manager, players and supporters of Aston Villa that their top-flight status is under the most serious threat.
Teams around them like Bolton, Blackburn, QPR and Wigan seem to be winning games and – I know this will shock Villa supporters – the answer to survival is not sacking Alex McLeish.
He hasn’t been helped by arriving at Villa Park from Birmingham City – Villa fans don’t forget things like that – but I think those supporters that are calling for McLeish to be sacked are a long way wide of the mark.

It seems very strange for McLeish’s job to be untenable right now. I don’t see what the advantages are of relieving him of his job.
I don’t see what Villa would get out of it and if that’s the case then let’s get safe, let’s get the supporters behind the team and then let’s sit down and discuss what the best way forward is.
What would a new manager be able to do at Villa in the last two games of the season? What could he change and how would he suddenly transform the club and the results? Well, the answer is simple, he wouldn’t be able to. I personally believe McLeish has a future at Villa after the summer but it’s a question for the owner – regardless of his long-term plans, Randy Lerner needs to get behind his manager and back him presently.

Villa are in real danger of going down – I certainly can’t argue with that because the Premier League table doesn’t lie – but they’re in pole position to survive and they can still get themselves out of trouble and safe.
It seems as if they have got stuck, they are struggling to score goals, they have a lot of young kids and the atmosphere they are playing in – as well as the threat of relegation – isn’t helping them.
So they are really struggling at the moment, I understand Villa fans frustration, I really do.
I just hope that Alex gets the one or two wins that he probably needs to keep them up and safe.
After this weekend’s game, they have Tottenham and Norwich in the Premier League and neither is going to be a gimme three points.
I don’t know if large scale changes need to be made to the playing staff. McLeish hasn’t had the best of luck with injuries, losing his best players like Darren Bent, his skipper Richard Dunne and James Collins for long spells, so it has been really tough for him.
And it may be that Villa and Alex will be better for a pre-season. He has been asked to cut costs as well and reduce the wage bill, so it’s not been easy.
If Randy Lerner decides to change his manager then that’s his prerogative, it’s his club but I not certain how it will improve the situation or start manoeuvring the club in the right direction.
I wouldn’t be putting my money on them to go down.
I still think they are good enough to be in the Premier League this season, and I still think there’s a win or two in the locker.
As a Villa follower, I am concerned, yes but I believe McLeish will turn things around and keep this club in the Premier League where they belong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: nodge on April 29, 2012, 01:28:01 PM
I think we should see what Chico thinks of Andy Grays article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 01:28:39 PM
That is the article Pauline posted. Maybe we should get Gray in as manager, i'm sure he'd love the chance. To leave us for a 4th time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 29, 2012, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 01:28:39 PM
That is the article Pauline posted. Maybe we should get Gray in as manager, i'm sure he'd love the chance. To leave us for a 4th time.

He'd be too busy telling Nicky Keye dirty jokes
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2012, 01:43:29 PM
Mcleish may be better for a preseason? He had a preseason last year and has failed horrendously. Just get rid Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 29, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Gray is a complete fucking idiot, he should concentrate on what he's best at, sexually harrasing women.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nev on April 29, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
Andy Gray and the Mercury.

Cheap, ill-informed, populist, obnoxious bedfellows.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 01:57:09 PM
Andy 'Commodore' Gray. Once, twice, three times a leaver.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2012, 01:58:39 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 29, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Gray is a complete fucking idiot, he should concentrate on what he's best at, sexually harrasing women.

Ah Mark, I am currently in stitches at that remark.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Cheers Andy.

Stick up for this clown, but stick the knife in your old mate Brian.

Legend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
Andy, you need to shut the fuck up. Stick to insulting women and sit out of intelligent conversation and debate.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
Andy, you need to shut the fuck up. Stick to insulting women and sit out of intelligent conversation and debate.

He does that without meaning to anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
Never liked that arrogant,self obsessed,chauvenistic twat anyway so i take anything that he says with a pinch of fuckall!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on April 29, 2012, 02:34:36 PM
Andy, it's not worth the risk. Another season of disheartened fans, dire football and many many draws. Stick to playing subuteo with your hairy hands pal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 03:43:45 PM
He is fatter and hairier than Bilbo Baggins!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve kirk on April 29, 2012, 04:08:00 PM
Andy Gray is such a TWAT and is not a true Villa man, just shut the fuck up Andy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
To be fair to Andy Gray, I can see what he's trying to get at. This was always going to be the difficult season, at the end of it we'll get rid of some high earners and then start rebuilding. The problem has been, McLeish has blown so many of the basics that we're in a situation we shouldn't be in. McLeish only has himself to blame if he misses out on the chance to get his hands on that rebuilding job, he should have sorted the set pieces situation out months ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 04:51:52 PM
Are they still in VP? Maybe watching the Spuds v Blackburn game?


The Mercury think he is on his way..certainly in close season!
http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2012/04/29/aston-villa-boss-alex-mcleish-faces-sack-by-end-of-season-66331-30862044/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on April 29, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
That's just lazy writing from Gray, he should slink back off to talkshite
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2012, 04:58:23 PM
I really don't get what Gray is trying to say, other than that he thinks McLeish can still do a job for us ... whhhat? Look at the stats; look at the unenviable records he's breaking this season; look at the ugly gameplay that we've suffered; look at the attendances.

I can only think this is either a wind-up to get people wrting  / emailing in.
Or, it's the Scottish mafia supporting their own.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: berneboy on April 29, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: Moorski on April 29, 2012, 09:58:18 AM
I am guessing that they have mutually agreed to part Company after the Norwich game.
I think so too. He may have offered to resign himself. He must know he can't carry on.
Who would want to in his position?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 05:09:53 PM
He was certainly very quiet yesterday,didn't look interested at all.He knows he is finished,i think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

If there was any abuse dished out to his wife and children then it's utterly embarrassing, it's not their fault and nobody should be turning on them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

If there was any abuse dished out to his wife and children then it's utterly embarrassing, it's not their fault and nobody should be turning on them.

How on earth would one identify McLeish's wife and children in the first place?

What a load of old bollocks. The Mercury really is a shite paper.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Exactly, paulie.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 29, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

The fucking Muckraker, they can't help themselves can they?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Alex has had a very easy ride, shite like this really gets on my wick.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Stan collymore saying one caller agrees with him that the atmosphere at virtually all games this season has been corrosive.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
Stan also reckons Villa fans wanted O'Neill sacked after nearly finishing 4th.

Stan talks bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:34:59 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Stan collymore saying one caller agrees with him that the atmosphere at virtually all games this season has been corrosive.

Collymore really is talking some shite on this issue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Villa Park's atmosphere is awful. Has been for a long while.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tarzansbrother on April 29, 2012, 05:35:38 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Stan collymore saying one caller agrees with him that the atmosphere at virtually all games this season has been corrosive.

Sometimes Collymore really talks rubbish. Anyone can turn up for one game and sing all game making out they support the club thru thick and thin. Oh you did that against Bolton didn't you Stan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Woman beating aside, I like Stan but at times he doesn't half sail with the tide, McLeish has had an easier ride than GH did. The atmosphere at Vp has really been one of boredom and thats no-one fault but his.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Villa Park's atmosphere is awful. Has been for a long while.

He's not saying it's awful, though, he's saying it is corrosive, ie hostile towards the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:34:39 PM
Stan also reckons Villa fans wanted O'Neill sacked after nearly finishing 4th.

Stan talks bollocks.
I don't think a lot of fans wanted MON sacked, but we all knew that he was papering over a lot of widening cracks... expensively...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 29, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Villa Park's atmosphere is awful. Has been for a long while.

He's not saying it's awful, though, he's saying it is corrosive, ie hostile towards the manager.
Simply not true, prior to the Bolton game he was getting an amazingly easy ride.
Another ex-player who is totally out of touch.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Obviously I'm not able to be there but what I can tell from far away it seems just very tense than corrosive. There's the obvious controversy over his arrival, but I believe that had we simply played better football and won more games at home eventually he'd have gotten to the point of being afforded the same time as almos any other manager. The Arsenal home game provides evidence of that. Most level headed yet passionate Villa fans simply want to be entertained and as the season went on McLeish became the man everyone feared he would and the football followed suit. I believed that with better players he'd open up. I was wrong, and even if you took injuries as part of the equation the team have gotten to the point of looking lost and devoid of confidence before kick off. It's not all been McLeish's fault but a very large chunk of it lies at his door.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Woman beating aside, I like Stan but at times he doesn't half sail with the tide, McLeish has had an easier ride than GH did. The atmosphere at Vp has really been one of boredom and thats no-one fault but his.

Bingo.

But Stan wouldn't know that, as that's probably the first time our very own 'man of the terraces' has been in the Holte for a while. Possibly ever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 29, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on April 29, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Villa Park's atmosphere is awful. Has been for a long while.

He's not saying it's awful, though, he's saying it is corrosive, ie hostile towards the manager.
Simply not true, prior to the Bolton game he was getting an amazingly easy ride.
Another ex-player who is totally out of touch.
He was getting away with it long before he should have been.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 05:40:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Woman beating aside, I like Stan but at times he doesn't half sail with the tide, McLeish has had an easier ride than GH did. The atmosphere at Vp has really been one of boredom and thats no-one fault but his.
The atmosphere has been tense and uncomfortable at best.
We'd all have been happier if AM had proved our worst fears wrong, but he hasn't.
He has set the team up in a poor way for most of the season and the team (and us!) are paying for it.
Stan should know that and that it's foolish to try to gloss over it by having a go at the fans.
Perhaps he's good mates with AM.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Obviously I'm not able to be there but what I can tell from far away it seems just very tense than corrosive. There's the obvious controversy over his arrival, but I believe that had we simply played better football and won more games at home eventually he'd have gotten to the point of being afforded the same time as almos any other manager. The Arsenal home game provides evidence of that. Most level headed yet passionate Villa fans simply want to be entertained and as the season went on McLeish became the man everyone feared he would and the football followed suit. I believed that with better players he'd open up. I was wrong, and even if you took injuries as part of the equation the team have gotten to the point of looking lost and devoid of confidence before kick off. It's not all been McLeish's fault but a very large chunk of it lies at his door.

Right on the money.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 29, 2012, 05:41:57 PM
If his punditry was half as good as his ability to kick women down flights of stairs, he'd be the main man on Match of the day by now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:42:42 PM
I genuinely don't know what the two sex cases expect.

I'd be even more concerned if our pish home form and general approach to games hadn't got people riled.  Are they saying the dross served up this year is about par?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 05:43:41 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Obviously I'm not able to be there but what I can tell from far away it seems just very tense than corrosive. There's the obvious controversy over his arrival, but I believe that had we simply played better football and won more games at home eventually he'd have gotten to the point of being afforded the same time as almos any other manager. The Arsenal home game provides evidence of that. Most level headed yet passionate Villa fans simply want to be entertained and as the season went on McLeish became the man everyone feared he would and the football followed suit. I believed that with better players he'd open up. I was wrong, and even if you took injuries as part of the equation the team have gotten to the point of looking lost and devoid of confidence before kick off. It's not all been McLeish's fault but a very large chunk of it lies at his door.
This says it all for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
collymore or the Mercury, I really didn't know which I dislike more. My life would be enriched beyond my dreams if I never again had to hear or read anything either of them spouted.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on April 29, 2012, 05:38:41 PM
Obviously I'm not able to be there but what I can tell from far away it seems just very tense than corrosive. There's the obvious controversy over his arrival, but I believe that had we simply played better football and won more games at home eventually he'd have gotten to the point of being afforded the same time as almos any other manager. The Arsenal home game provides evidence of that. Most level headed yet passionate Villa fans simply want to be entertained and as the season went on McLeish became the man everyone feared he would and the football followed suit. I believed that with better players he'd open up. I was wrong, and even if you took injuries as part of the equation the team have gotten to the point of looking lost and devoid of confidence before kick off. It's not all been McLeish's fault but a very large chunk of it lies at his door.

Sums it up nicely for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SteveD on April 29, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
McLeish looks finished. But he has been the conducting rod for what has been going on above him: The squad has (again) lost real quality, is relying more heavily on "kids" and has been squarely aiming at mid table humdrum. McLeish works even better as a fall guy because some fans wanted him out before his team kicked a ball; he's not helped himself given his cautious nature, let down by most of his few signings, and some awful football we've played. But he's also been an unlucky manager - losing three of his best players to injury/illness, and others hitting poor form.
I feel a little sorry for him, and think he's conducted himself with some dignity. But I also feel sorry for myself for having to watch such dross for two seasons now.

So now do we trust Lerner to make an inspired appointment, and more importantly give whoever he brings in the tools to do the job? That's enough to compete with the likes of Everton and Fulham rather than Blackburn and Swansea? I can already see Bent going to Liverpool in some cash + Charlie Adam swap deal; and the nightmare will continue. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 29, 2012, 05:50:25 PM
Dembele is out of contract with Fulham and is on his way in close season...to Citeh!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Woman beating aside, I like Stan but at times he doesn't half sail with the tide, McLeish has had an easier ride than GH did. The atmosphere at Vp has really been one of boredom and thats no-one fault but his.

Bingo.

But Stan wouldn't know that, as that's probably the first time our very own 'man of the terraces' has been in the Holte for a while. Possibly ever.

Exactly.  He made a big deal of having been to the Bolton match, so he seems to be basing his "analysis" on ten minutes of abuse towards McLeish at the end.  I bet I've been to more Villa matches than Collymore this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: Risso on April 29, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 29, 2012, 05:39:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Woman beating aside, I like Stan but at times he doesn't half sail with the tide, McLeish has had an easier ride than GH did. The atmosphere at Vp has really been one of boredom and thats no-one fault but his.

Bingo.

But Stan wouldn't know that, as that's probably the first time our very own 'man of the terraces' has been in the Holte for a while. Possibly ever.

Exactly.  He made a big deal of having been to the Bolton match, so he seems to be basing his "analysis" on ten minutes of abuse towards McLeish at the end.  I bet I've been to more Villa matches than Collymore this season.

He sounds like a right day tripper the way he goes on about being at the Bolton game. "Oh look everyone, I went to a real live football game. And I sat with the oiks. Rah Rah Rah"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 06:02:56 PM
Quote from: SteveD on April 29, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
McLeish looks finished. But he has been the conducting rod for what has been going on above him: The squad has (again) lost real quality, is relying more heavily on "kids" and has been squarely aiming at mid table humdrum. McLeish works even better as a fall guy because some fans wanted him out before his team kicked a ball; he's not helped himself given his cautious nature, let down by most of his few signings, and some awful football we've played. But he's also been an unlucky manager - losing three of his best players to injury/illness, and others hitting poor form.
I feel a little sorry for him, and think he's conducted himself with some dignity. But I also feel sorry for myself for having to watch such dross for two seasons now.

So now do we trust Lerner to make an inspired appointment, and more importantly give whoever he brings in the tools to do the job? That's enough to compete with the likes of Everton and Fulham rather than Blackburn and Swansea? I can already see Bent going to Liverpool in some cash + Charlie Adam swap deal; and the nightmare will continue.

Maybe he can get another letter from the  miserable old bugger in Stretford with a different name inserted.

Steve Bruce
Brian Robson
Roy Keane
Steve McLaren
Mark McGhee

or any of his other accolytes to ensure they get 6 very easy points against us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 06:03:34 PM
Collymore should stick to what he is best at.............Looking through car windows while having his hands down his pants!Proven!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 29, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Mcleish rightly takes alot of the blame but the amount of experianced players we have right now is not enough for a Prem League club.If we stay up questions need to be asked because 2 years running we have been near the bottom and you can't keep avoiding the drop forever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 29, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 29, 2012, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

If there was any abuse dished out to his wife and children then it's utterly embarrassing, it's not their fault and nobody should be turning on them.

How on earth would one identify McLeish's wife and children in the first place?

What a load of old bollocks. The Mercury really is a shite paper.

I think the wording may be a little inaccurate but there is no doubt that the family would have suffered from the abuse. It is the Manager's wife and children that we are talking about. Alex McLeish's daughter was reported to have been in tears at Wigan after the stick that he got. Forget why people dished it out. The fact is that the family would have had to endure it. They were hardly going to join in with the booing etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on April 29, 2012, 06:12:16 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 29, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
(http://www.kingofeasystreet.com/stuff/doggingtime.jpg)
Fkin class Dave!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.

Indeed. He's a fannypad for his comments now, but his time at Villa was at least in part tarnished by some things beyond his control.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.

Indeed. He's a fannypad for his comments now, but his time at Villa was at least in part tarnished by some things beyond his control.

I appreciate he was ill for part of his time at Villa - I believe, though can be corrected, it occured around the time he beat up his then girlfriend. Accepting Gregory was the last type of manager you need in that situation. However he was non responsive to the previous incumbent and contributed in part to his downfall.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 29, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
Al I can remember is £7m being pissed up the wall. I may be wrong but seem to remember that John Gregory didn't exactly put him in the shop window after that Fulham game but contributed to his devaluation. As I say, I may be wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on April 29, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.

Indeed. He's a fannypad for his comments now, but his time at Villa was at least in part tarnished by some things beyond his control.

I appreciate he was ill for part of his time at Villa - I believe, though can be corrected, it occured around the time he beat up his then girlfriend. Accepting Gregory was the last type of manager you need in that situation. However he was non responsive to the previous incumbent and contributed in part to his downfall.

aye, loads of people suffer from depression but they don't feel the need to knock 6 bells out of the women in their life. allways thought that however unsympathetic we were about his illness, the main problem was, he's a dick. and lets face it we weren't the first club who wanted shot of him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
Future?
I believe in living in the present, dudes.
F**k him off right now!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Forgive me if you've heard this, but I just got a F'book notification saying
'to expect a statement from VP tomorrow' ?? Anyone know about this ??
The news we've all been waiting for ?? 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on April 29, 2012, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Monty on April 29, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.

Indeed. He's a fannypad for his comments now, but his time at Villa was at least in part tarnished by some things beyond his control.

I appreciate he was ill for part of his time at Villa - I believe, though can be corrected, it occured around the time he beat up his then girlfriend. Accepting Gregory was the last type of manager you need in that situation. However he was non responsive to the previous incumbent and contributed in part to his downfall.

aye, loads of people suffer from depression but they don't feel the need to knock 6 bells out of the women in their life. allways thought that however unsympathetic we were about his illness, the main problem was, he's a dick. and lets face it we weren't the first club who wanted shot of him.

Agreed, he got away with a lot due to his well publicised illness.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Forgive me if you've heard this, but I just got a F'book notification saying
'to expect a statement from VP tomorrow' ?? Anyone know about this ??
The news we've all been waiting for ?? 

Does the bloke who posted it organise coaches?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
'Call the National Express when your lifes in a mess, it will make you smile'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Forgive me if you've heard this, but I just got a F'book notification saying
'to expect a statement from VP tomorrow' ?? Anyone know about this ??
The news we've all been waiting for ?? 

Does the bloke who posted it organise coaches?

Facebook :  AVFC Sack McLeish Now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:12:07 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Forgive me if you've heard this, but I just got a F'book notification saying
'to expect a statement from VP tomorrow' ?? Anyone know about this ??
The news we've all been waiting for ?? 



i wont beleive it untill its gone viral on twitter
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 29, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Collymore was a complete leech at Villa- earned considerably money and returned zilch.
Gray is a different type of parasite altogether.Neither of them are true Villa men IMHO despite their protestations. If they were why would they keep having to suggest so.

Oh and they both spout interminable bollocks far too frequently.
He was suffering from depression at the time, and had a manager who thought he should just "snap out of it". Hardly surprising he wasn't at the top of his game.

Precisely. Collymore was a disappointment at Villa but he was suffering from a mental illness while at our club so all this nonsense spoken about him really is pathetic. He's entitled to his view and it shouldn't be met with abuse on here.
I think he's wrong about McLeish but he's still entitled to say what he likes. By the way, he IS a Villa fan despite what people continue to say about him on here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:14:12 PM
I guarantee he is a Villa fan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Still waiting to know why, if he's such a Villa fan he goaded the Holte when scoring for the dippers and wasn't exactly reserved after scoring for Forest at VP either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Still waiting to know why, if he's such a Villa fan he goaded the Holte when scoring for the dippers and wasn't exactly reserved after scoring for Forest at VP either.

Good question. I'll ask.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Still waiting to know why, if he's such a Villa fan he goaded the Holte when scoring for the dippers and wasn't exactly reserved after scoring for Forest at VP either.


Rooney kissed his badge in front of Everton supporters, but there is no doubt he is a Everton supporter
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
As did Lescott
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on April 29, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
Regarding Gray and Collymores articles we have to remember in the main football people look after their own such as McLeish. However there is no doubt in my mind that McLeish is finished at Villa just look at all the stats regardless of bad luck and injuries this season has been an unmitigated disaster.

It is also confirms his managerial limitations. I do not accept for one minute that no matter who was in charge we would have been in the same or similar position. We simply should not be sat on 37 points with 2 games to go it is an absolute disgrace.

 Therefore the Executive team have to take the view that this was the wrong appointment despite the endorsements.

Anyone that had £200m or whatever invested would take no more risks they (I assume RL and PF) are going to have to re-visit their business model but they will make a change and have to come up with a new offer to attract the right candidate.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 29, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
For the first time I am convinced McLeish won't be here next season. I doubt he'll go before the end of the season but everything points towards him going as soon as the season ends.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.


Deep breathes,      and let it go.......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.


Deep breathes,      and let it go.......

I take it that's a no then John ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 08:29:33 PM

Rooney kissed his badge in front of Everton supporters, but there is no doubt he is a Everton supporter
[/quote]

Is Mc Leech a Villa fan ..?  He could kiss my arse ...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
It would be remarkable if he was to survive, it is likke the scenes against Bolton had to happen. It could be the perfect end to the season The Villa stay up and Mcliesh goes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 29, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
I'm still convinced that once we're safe, he'll be giving it the big 'un about how well he's done in the face of injuries, hostile fans, yadda, yadda.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.


Deep breathes,      and let it go.......

I take it that's a no then John ;)


yes it is a no, Taylor would never do that he is a true Villa legend,
 Collymore is not a Villa legend and Rooney is not a Everton legend but they do support Villa and Everton respectivley
they are allowed,
 i have been known quite recently on many occastions to call Villa a load of shit and worse, but i do still support them
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on April 29, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

The fucking Muckraker, they can't help themselves can they?
It would help if they could spell "venomous".

It's open-season on Villa fans and when McLeish leaves he can claim he was 'hounded out' by those who objected to his Bloose connections. It makes it easier for him to deal with the rejection.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
Quote
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

The fucking Muckraker, they can't help themselves can they?
[/quote]
It would help if they could spell "venomous".

It's open-season on Villa fans and when McLeish leaves he can claim he was 'hounded out' by those who objected to his Bloose connections. It makes it easier for him to deal with the rejection.
[/quote]


Your reporter behind the DougOut can report : NO mention of ANY reference to his wife & children. Why would we ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holte L2 on April 29, 2012, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Forgive me if you've heard this, but I just got a F'book notification saying
'to expect a statement from VP tomorrow' ?? Anyone know about this ??
The news we've all been waiting for ?? 

I've had a few texts this morning. Big rumours hes going to give notice tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.


Deep breathes,      and let it go.......

I take it that's a no then John ;)


yes it is a no, Taylor would never do that he is a true Villa legend,
 Collymore is not a Villa legend and Rooney is not a Everton legend but they do support Villa and Everton respectivley
they are allowed,
 i have been known quite recently on many occastions to call Villa a load of shit and worse, but i do still support them

Maybe collymore can add Albion to the list of teams he supports. He goaded their fans exactly the same way when we beat them 4-0 in the Cup.

So really, at best he is a casual 'fan' who doesn't overly care but if pushed would say he supported Villa?

And again, there is a massive difference between any of us in a fit of pique saying Villa are shit having spent our lives and spending small fortunes following Villa ,and collymore goading The Holte after scoring against us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Do you think Ian Taylor would have goaded the Holte after scoring?

The Rooney and collymore scenarios are totally different.


Deep breathes,      and let it go.......

I take it that's a no then John ;)


yes it is a no, Taylor would never do that he is a true Villa legend,
 Collymore is not a Villa legend and Rooney is not a Everton legend but they do support Villa and Everton respectivley
they are allowed,
 i have been known quite recently on many occastions to call Villa a load of shit and worse, but i do still support them

Maybe collymore can add Albion to the list of teams he supports. He goaded their fans exactly the same way when we beat them 4-0 in the Cup.

So really, at best he is a casual 'fan' who doesn't overly care but if pushed would say he supported Villa?

And again, there is a massive difference between any of us in a fit of pique saying Villa are shit having spent our lives and spending small fortunes following Villa ,and collymore goading The Holte after scoring against us.


i think your just jealous because he was shagging that bird of Sky Sports with big thruppnies
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 29, 2012, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 05:07:44 PM
This bit from the Mercury article:

'Although there was no repeat of the angry scenes witnessed at Villa’s defeat by Bolton, where McLeish, his wife and children suffered venemous abouse from the terraces, supporters leaving the Hawthorns yesterday believed that the Villa boss should still go.'

I can't think of any abuse dished out to his wife and children on Tuesday.

If there was any abuse dished out to his wife and children then it's utterly embarrassing, it's not their fault and nobody should be turning on them.

How on earth would one identify McLeish's wife and children in the first place?

What a load of old bollocks. The Mercury really is a shite paper.

I think the wording may be a little inaccurate but there is no doubt that the family would have suffered from the abuse. It is the Manager's wife and children that we are talking about. Alex McLeish's daughter was reported to have been in tears at Wigan after the stick that he got. Forget why people dished it out. The fact is that the family would have had to endure it. They were hardly going to join in with the booing etc.

"A little inaccurate" my arse.  There's a world of difference between his family being upset at the abuse McLeish got, and suffering the abuse themselves.  As well you know.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 29, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Another Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/AVFC-Sack-McLeish-Now/175279849226844)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 29, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen


for the life of me i cant see anyone looking at Mcleish and thinking 'yep, he's the man for us'

yeah, i know Randy did, but his stock has dropped even lower now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen


for the life of me i cant see anyone looking at Mcleish and thinking 'yep, he's the man for us'

yeah, i know Randy did, but his stock has dropped even lower now

If McLeish is not managing in Scotland again by the start of next season, I'll be flabbergasted.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 29, 2012, 09:06:46 PM
Maybe, when McLeish does get the push, Collywank can throw his hat into the ring and become a proper football person again. Waster.  Until then, he'll continue to be sycophantic because he wants to put his shit column in the matchday programme.  Any exposure is good exposure as far as he's concerned.

As for Andy Gray, pathetic article, completely misses the point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 09:08:54 PM
I like Collymore. He never hides his colours in amongst all of those other Sky 4 loving gits.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 09:09:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen


for the life of me i cant see anyone looking at Mcleish and thinking 'yep, he's the man for us'

yeah, i know Randy did, but his stock has dropped even lower now

If McLeish is not managing in Scotland again by the start of next season, I'll be flabbergasted.

Well to be fair unlike O'Leary who still fancied himself as a top flight manager after presiding over the 05-06 shambles I think McLeish will realise his limitations so either job back in Scotland or with a (smallish) struggling Championship side - there are always some sackings by about November.

Managers who leave Villa rarely go on to greater things and he will be the latest in a very long line. In fact other than SGT first time around I can't think of any in my life time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:10:31 PM


Precisely.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.
It will be a prominant picture in the Express tomorrow ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 09:09:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen


for the life of me i cant see anyone looking at Mcleish and thinking 'yep, he's the man for us'

yeah, i know Randy did, but his stock has dropped even lower now

If McLeish is not managing in Scotland again by the start of next season, I'll be flabbergasted.

Well to be fair unlike O'Leary who still fancied himself as a top flight manager after presiding over the 05-06 shambles I think McLeish will realise his limitations so either job back in Scotland or with a (smallish) struggling Championship side - there are always some sackings by about November.

Managers who leave Villa rarely go on to greater things and he will be the latest in a very long line. In fact other than SGT first time around I can't think of any in my life time.
Pretty much the whole of the English football world was shocked by AM's appointment.
We may not be going through the best spell in our History but it was step up for him and a really good chance to show what he can do...and he's fucked up, big time.
I can't see any decent club wanting him, whatever league they're in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:16:45 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on April 29, 2012, 09:09:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 29, 2012, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: john e on April 29, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: Lee on April 29, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
I think I would literally piss myself laughing if AM ended up at Albion if Woy gets the England job.

I bet that banner they were showing yesterday wouldn't get another airing.

If there is a Football God, please let this happen


for the life of me i cant see anyone looking at Mcleish and thinking 'yep, he's the man for us'

yeah, i know Randy did, but his stock has dropped even lower now

If McLeish is not managing in Scotland again by the start of next season, I'll be flabbergasted.

Well to be fair unlike O'Leary who still fancied himself as a top flight manager after presiding over the 05-06 shambles I think McLeish will realise his limitations so either job back in Scotland or with a (smallish) struggling Championship side - there are always some sackings by about November.

Managers who leave Villa rarely go on to greater things and he will be the latest in a very long line. In fact other than SGT first time around I can't think of any in my life time.
Pretty much the whole of the English football world was shocked by AM's appointment.
We may not be going through the best spell in our History but it was step up for him and a really good chance to show what he can do...and he's fucked up, big time.
I can't see any decent club wanting him, whatever league they're in.

Let's face it, coming 17th in the Premier is the equivalent of mounting a title challenge in Scotland.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lee on April 29, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
The moves for his appointment and the subsequent protests even made News at Ten. I don't think Damon had anything to do with it either
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
Exactly. Collymore's a Villa fan no matter what the numpty's claim anytime he says something that goes against the grain on here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 09:26:19 PM

Quote
i think your just jealous because he was shagging that bird of Sky Sports with big thruppnies

what ??  him too ??  why, i oughtta ....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

I just said that hearing him shout on the radio convinced me.

Far more than being in the Holte a few feet away from him as he goaded us will ever convince me he isn't
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.

It's my opinion Legion and as far as I know i'm allowed to post it here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 29, 2012, 09:41:08 PM
Collymore's tweets are always pro villa. First thing he ever mentions is #AVFC
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.

It's my opinion Legion and as far as I know i'm allowed to post it here.
Will you two please stop it?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
Yes, it's your opinion. Which I'm sure you know you are allowed to post.I'll ask about his responses tomorrow and will let you know.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.

It's my opinion Legion and as far as I know i'm allowed to post it here.
Will you two please stop it?!

Stop what? Having a discussion?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
My mate just said mystery man has said mcleish has gone, please be true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
I love you Legion! Even though I disagree on the collymore thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
I love you Legion! Even though I disagree on the collymore thing.

That's what a discussion board is for. A difference of opinion. Even though you're wrong!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
I love you Legion! Even though I disagree on the collymore thing.

That's what a discussion board is for. A difference of opinion. Even though you're wrong!

Am not!

x infinity plus one. I win. Ner ner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
My mate just said mystery man has said mcleish has gone, please be true.

The rumors are picking up momentum.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 29, 2012, 09:59:52 PM
mysteryman..where are you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 10:01:18 PM
Didn't Mysteryman insist we weren't signing AM in the first place?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
My mate just said mystery man has said mcleish has gone, please be true.

The rumors are picking up momentum.

Rumours are like that... it would be good to know something 'concrete' ...
(like he's in some, propping up a flyover)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.

It's my opinion Legion and as far as I know i'm allowed to post it here.
Will you two please stop it?!

Stop what? Having a discussion?
Come on Leeg, it's a joke!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
I love you Legion! Even though I disagree on the collymore thing.

That's what a discussion board is for. A difference of opinion. Even though you're wrong!

Am not!

x infinity plus one. I win. Ner ner.
That's much better!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shoody on April 29, 2012, 10:12:06 PM
@AVFCMysteryMan said McLeish has gone.

He is not the real MM. According to this AVFCMysteryMan we should have been taken over by QIA 4 months ago..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 10:12:56 PM
just watching MOTD2 : commentator ref Chelsea :
 
"the team unrecognisable under the temporary coach - in comparison with previous manager..."

I truly believe, under another Manager (even recently) we would not be in the situation we are.

Results (of others) with us today... keep the faith, but he HAS to go, whatever...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on April 29, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 29, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 09:51:09 PM
My mate just said mystery man has said mcleish has gone, please be true.

The rumors are picking up momentum.

Rumours are like that... it would be good to know something 'concrete' ...
(like he's in some, propping up a flyover)

LOL, not PC maybe but it's the first decent laugh I've had today! Thanks Doc!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on April 29, 2012, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: Shoody on April 29, 2012, 10:12:06 PM
@AVFCMysteryMan said McLeish has gone.

He is not the real MM. According to this AVFCMysteryMan we should have been taken over by QIA 4 months ago..

Yeah, and provided photos of Asian-looking people (therefore obviously Qatari businessmen) at the game with Ian Taylor, who the real MM later confirmed were, in fact, curry house owners. That was a funny episode
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: achilles on April 29, 2012, 10:17:00 PM
Just catching up and this was produced in last Thursday’s (26/4/2012) Daily Telegraph.
Villa Managers’ Premier League Win Percentage:
John Gregory.....41.22%
Martin O’Neill......40.13%
Brian Little.........39.23%
Ron Atkinson.....38.78%
David O’Leary....32.46%
Gerard Houllier...30.30%
Graham Taylor...29.41%
Alex McLeish......20.00%
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 29, 2012, 10:17:13 PM
The mystery man on twitter know f@ck all and is just attention seeking. As for the other myster man, I'm not convinced he knows as much as he makes out either. Egos can be a big thing to feed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open

If he's about to launch a new career, can I suggest that you don't open it but rather respect the finest tradition of such things ... and break it over the fucker's head instead!  ;)

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
 :D
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open

If he's about to launch a new career, can I suggest that you don't open it but rather respect the finest tradition of such things ... and break it over the fucker's head instead!  ;)


he is not a new boat
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on April 29, 2012, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open
If he's gone it might be worth cracking one off!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
:D
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open

If he's about to launch a new career, can I suggest that you don't open it but rather respect the finest tradition of such things ... and break it over the fucker's head instead!  ;)


he is not a new boat

True, but his career is doing a fine impression of The Titanic nevertheless!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Hodgson to England.  Mcleish to Baggies.  Rogers to Villa.  Sound fair?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Hodgson to England.  Mcleish to Baggies.  Rogers to Villa.  Sound fair?

if i had 3 wishes .....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 29, 2012, 10:30:04 PM
Rumours are certainly starting to pick up, I'm getting genuinely excited. Preparing for the usual deflation as it turns out to be bollocks though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on April 29, 2012, 10:31:48 PM
Seroisly how many on these "insiders" stated Eck would be in charge more than a day before he was? Saying something over and over doesnt make it true no matter how much you want it to be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
There were rumours earlier that Lerner and Faulkner had told him he was for the push at the end of the season, regardless.

Much as I like the idea of never seeing his misery-inducing "football" at Villa Park again, or hearing his pathetic, increasingly O'Learian excuses after the matches, to have done the above and left him in charge would be utterly stupid, in fact, I'm prepared it would be too fuckwitted for even our particularly fuck witted leaders to have done.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:20:22 PM
:D
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 10:19:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
I got champagne in the fridge if he's gone I'm cracking it open

If he's about to launch a new career, can I suggest that you don't open it but rather respect the finest tradition of such things ... and break it over the fucker's head instead!  ;)


he is not a new boat

True, but his career is doing a fine impression of The Titanic nevertheless!

true, over his head it is  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 29, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
McLeish leaving tomorrow would make sense, in many ways.

1) It gives the team an entire week to train under the care-taker manager.
2) It avoids the 'McLeish Out' day against Spurs, which would be a publicity disaster for the board.
3) If there's a reason why it's been left this late, it's been the board waiting for us to be virtually safe. It'd be very unfortunate for us to go down now, they haven't got anything to lose.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on April 29, 2012, 10:38:08 PM
I'm still clinging to the thought that we were sly enough to have put a clause in his contract saying '40 points or you get the spanish archer and fuck all beside'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 29, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
It's tempting but I think I'll drink it then hit him, I don't want to waste it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
"The Spanish Archer"? Who's that, I don't listen to radio soaps?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 29, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
I think he is going tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 29, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
McLeish leaving tomorrow would make sense, in many ways.

1) It gives the team an entire week to train under the care-taker manager.
2) It avoids the 'McLeish Out' day against Spurs, which would be a publicity disaster for the board.
3) If there's a reason why it's been left this late, it's been the board waiting for us to be virtually safe. It'd be very unfortunate for us to go down now, they haven't got anything to lose.

Also they are three good reasons why it could just be a feasible rumour, no?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 29, 2012, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on April 29, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
"The Spanish Archer"? Who's that, I don't listen to radio soaps?
[/quote

Spanish Archer = El Bow.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 29, 2012, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on April 29, 2012, 10:31:48 PM
Seroisly how many on these "insiders" stated Eck would be in charge more than a day before he was? Saying something over and over doesnt make it true no matter how much you want it to be.

I know a few people who did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 29, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
Quote from: TonyD on April 29, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
I think he is going tomorrow.

Based on the rumours or heard something additional?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2012, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves! ;)

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"

as i thought Wolves fan
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on April 29, 2012, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: James on April 29, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on April 29, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
McLeish leaving tomorrow would make sense, in many ways.

1) It gives the team an entire week to train under the care-taker manager.
2) It avoids the 'McLeish Out' day against Spurs, which would be a publicity disaster for the board.
3) If there's a reason why it's been left this late, it's been the board waiting for us to be virtually safe. It'd be very unfortunate for us to go down now, they haven't got anything to lose.

Also they are three good reasons why it could just be a feasible rumour, no?

Most definitely. I'm not saying that I necessarily think it'll happen; I'm just saying how it would make sense if it did happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
McLeish resigning tomorrow doesn't make much sense. He would surely hang on for his severance bonus... he is a proud man and has said today that he won't roll over... Randy wouldn't want him humiliated that way, especially as he put so much of his own reputation on the line for McL... I'd be happy to be proved wrong though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"

Isn't it ambiguous that he said from age 7 in that clip Legion posted earlier? You'd think he'd remember!  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaBobby on April 29, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"

Stan Collymore, what a pious cu*t. He spent the whole shift trying to dig out Villa fans to call him today spouting his nonsense about loving Aston Villa and he would have civil war if those that called disagreed with him.

One question Stan, any chance of you returning the money from the club you love that you took whilst suffering depression after beating up a woman in a pub?

Horrible creature.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 29, 2012, 10:52:37 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
McLeish resigning tomorrow doesn't make much sense. He would surely hang on for his severance bonus... he is a proud man and has said today that he won't roll over... Randy wouldn't want him humiliated that way, especially as he put so much of his own reputation on the line for McL... I'd be happy to be proved wrong though.

It'll be a fudge when it happens anyway. Randy won't sack him per se and he won't resign, it will be a 'mutual consent' thing that spares both their blushes (well, up to a point anyway!)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on April 29, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Wonder if he did go tomorrow a few thousand season tickets might be sold quicker than otherwise ?
Might be worth getting that message to Lerner just to encourage him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: VillaBobby on April 29, 2012, 10:51:41 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"

Stan Collymore, what a pious cu*t. He spent the whole shift trying to dig out Villa fans to call him today spouting his nonsense about loving Aston Villa and he would have civil war if those that called disagreed with him.

One question Stan, any chance of you returning the money from the club you love that you took whilst suffering depression after beating up a woman in a pub?

Horrible creature.

Careful... you'll get less stick for criticising Ian Huntley on this site.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
Oh yippee. Another "You know what happens when you.... on this site." If you don't like being on here nobody's holding you against your will.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 29, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on April 29, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

LOL, he supports Wolves!

Why would someone pretend to support one club and secretly support another? Get a grip.

Maybe you should ask him?

A Tweet from Stan Collymore:

"Who do i support? No ambiguity whatsoever.Aston Villa FC,since the age of 4. Want teams I've played for to do well,just not against Villa"

That proves it: he obviously supports Wolves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 11:03:10 PM
Touchy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 29, 2012, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Careful... you'll get less stick for criticising Ian Huntley on this site.

Well of course he will - Huntley's an absolute scumbag!!!!

Slightly dubious ground though for VillaBobby - criticising former players who suffered mental illness is never particularly clever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2012, 11:47:26 PM
Not sure whether this has been mentioned but my eldest read or heard that when McCleish waved and raised his fist to someone in the crowd after the glorious 1-1 draw, it was to his wife and kids in the stand, and that it was after the abuse he recieved and would have been witnessed by his family that led to him meeting with Lerner and telling him he was pulling the pin, agreeing to see out the season. Has anyone else heard this explanation of events?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simba on April 29, 2012, 11:59:04 PM
Sorry. No.

But it would not surprise me. It also suits us depending on contract.

However, notwithstanding his complete failure, and obvious (deserved) humiliation and undeserved salary- if he puts his Family first:

Good for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
I understand that McLeish is a very, very strong family man.  That's not a bad thing and if he's throwing the towel in for the sake of his family, fair play to him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
I understand that McLeish is a very, very strong family man.  That's not a bad thing and if he's throwing the towel in for the sake of his family, fair play to him.
Sounds about right from him,nothing to do with him being rubbish.To use his family like that is low.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on April 30, 2012, 12:12:55 AM
The abuse which he got after the Bolton game would have been nothing like the vitriol which the Celtic fans would have given him as Rangers manager. If he wants to use that as the excuse to leave then I'm fine with that. As Simba says, his time at VP has been a complete failure and his excuse was always going to be that the Villa fans made his job impossible.

Also the interview he gave on Friday talked about abuse being part of the job and he had learned to live with it. Plus all of his outstanding experience and leadership skills would have helped him through!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


I think they tend to close at night a lot of the time anyway as they don't have staff available overnight to update them and wouldn't want to lose out as a result of being caught out by an overnight development. Also, if lots of Villa fans believe the MysteryMan rumours and bet on McLeish, they'll keep shortening the odds then eventually close the book just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


Think most didn't have a market for it online. Only one I found was whether he would be in charge next season which was on skybet 2/5. Do think he could well be gone. Although the fact that bet is still on he may not, yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 30, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on April 30, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


I think they tend to close at night a lot of the time anyway as they don't have staff available overnight to update them and wouldn't want to lose out as a result of being caught out by an overnight development. Also, if lots of Villa fans believe the MysteryMan rumours and bet on McLeish, they'll keep shortening the odds then eventually close the book just to be on the safe side.

thanks, i hope he does go and despite betting on us to go down i think we are safe now unless a very unlikely turn of events happen, bolton wont win twice out of there 3 games and qpr may have run out of legs but i can see them staying up, as soon as bolton loose on tuesday we are safe IMO so have nothing to loose by letting the moron go. i would go to the spurs game and i aint been near villa park all season because of him if he goes before the match, if hes still there the atmospher will be awful.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on April 30, 2012, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


Think most didn't have a market for it online. Only one I found was whether he would be in charge next season which was on skybet 2/5. Do think he could well be gone. Although the fact that bet is still on he may not, yet.

Oddschecker had a page on it but that's disappeared now.  The odds on us to be relegated have drifted since this afternoon too.  The optimist in me thinks they're connected...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:20:58 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 30, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
I understand that McLeish is a very, very strong family man.  That's not a bad thing and if he's throwing the towel in for the sake of his family, fair play to him.
Sounds about right from him,nothing to do with him being rubbish.To use his family like that is low.

I'd like to think that isn't the case.  He lives/lived locally.  People have commented round here what a close knit family they are.  Fair enough that they can afford to be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holy Trinity on April 30, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


Think most didn't have a market for it online. Only one I found was whether he would be in charge next season which was on skybet 2/5. Do think he could well be gone. Although the fact that bet is still on he may not, yet.

just found 9/2 on paddy power and stan james, and yeah i saw that bet too and was tempted by betting against as the bookies seem convinced that he IS going to be here next term
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason, again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 12:24:33 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 30, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
Quote from: cdvillafan on April 30, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william
hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


I think they tend to close at night a lot of the time anyway as they don't have staff available overnight to update them and wouldn't want to lose out as a result of being caught out by an overnight development. Also, if lots of Villa fans believe the
MysteryMan rumours and bet on McLeish, they'll keep shortening the odds then eventually close the book just to be on the safe side.

thanks, i hope he does go and despite betting on us to go down i think we are safe now unless a very unlikely turn of events happen, bolton wont win twice out of there 3
games and qpr may have run out of legs but i can see them staying up, as soon as bolton loose on tuesday we are safe IMO so have nothing to loose by letting the moron go. i would go to the spurs game and i aint been near villa park all season because of him if he goes before the match, if hes still there the atmospher will be awful.

He's a moron?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason, again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.

Nobody likes to witness a member of their family abused/bullied/hounded for whatever reason.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Quote from: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason, again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.
Being in his position my family would not have been anyway near Villa Park.I don't take my family to work when it's going tit's up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit
because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason,
again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.


Nobody likes to witness a member of their family abused/bullied/hounded for whatever reason.

Some seem to think it is fair game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:31:10 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on April 30, 2012, 12:20:14 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


Think most didn't have a market for it online. Only one I found was whether he would be in charge next season which was on skybet 2/5. Do think he could well be gone. Although the fact that bet is still on he may not, yet.

Oddschecker had a page on it but that's disappeared now.  The odds on us to be relegated have drifted since this afternoon too.  The optimist in me thinks they're connected...

As you can tell with the mood change with the results today, our chances have improved somewhat hence the odds of relegation.
Was told this evening he's definitely gone but the fact the skybet bet is still on does give doubt. Needs a big bet to make it worthwhile and i'm not that confident in mate.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit
because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason,
again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.


Nobody likes to witness a member of their family abused/bullied/hounded for whatever reason.

Some seem to think it is fair game.

Too true. They're best ignored. They'll soon get bored and pick on somebody else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:36:12 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 30, 2012, 12:21:47 AM
Quote from: AlwaysAVFC on April 30, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet


Think most didn't have a market for it online. Only one I found was whether he would be in charge next season which was on skybet 2/5. Do think he could well be gone. Although the fact that bet is still on he may not, yet.

just found 9/2 on paddy power and stan james, and yeah i saw that bet too and was tempted by betting against as the bookies seem convinced that he IS going to be here next term

What i wrote wasn't clear, skybet is 7/4 he will start season and 2/5 he won't
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 30, 2012, 12:44:49 AM
so much dross in the media right now regarding out managerial situation. Van Gaal, Lambert, McLeish gone tomorrow.. No big name manager is going to want to come here with no money to spend, and unable to afford star bosman wages.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 12:52:37 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: Simba on April 30, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Bigad 82
If true - has not USED his Family. Comments simply said that if he has decided to quit
because his Family 'comes first' in his mind- then good for him. Could you expect your Family to witness 20 odd thousand telling you to F off?

He deserves no credit as a manager but as a Family man. Well if that's his reason,
again, that's fair. Accepted, good politics, no dispute with our Club, respect intact. As a Man.

If Family is his EXCUSE then no. He is wrong.


Nobody likes to witness a member of their family abused/bullied/hounded for whatever reason.

Some seem to think it is fair game.

Too true. They're best ignored. They'll soon get bored and pick on somebody else.
Problem is he has come out with so much bullshit it's hard to take anything he says at face value.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:56:43 AM
Bigad82 we weren't exactly referring to McLeish.  Although he hasn't exactly helped himself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 01:00:03 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:56:43 AM
Bigad82 we weren't exactly referring to McLeish.  Altough he hasn't exactly helped himself.
Sorry it's Stan isn't it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 01:04:47 AM
No, not quite.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 01:07:52 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 30, 2012, 01:00:03 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 12:56:43 AM
Bigad82 we weren't exactly referring to McLeish.  Altough he hasn't exactly helped himself.
Sorry it's Stan isn't it?


That not a new name for Mr. Angry is it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 01:09:50 AM
What am I missing here?
It's been a long day at work.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 30, 2012, 01:09:50 AM
What am I missing here?
It's been a long day at work.



It's family, innit.;-). And dcf has had, not unusually, a long weekend of nights,  fitting the villa in around that.  Some/one/whoever is trying to goad/bully him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 01:19:18 AM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 01:16:36 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on April 30, 2012, 01:09:50 AM
What am I missing here?
It's been a long day at work.



It's family, innit.;-). And dcf has had, not unusually, a long weekend of nights,  fitting the villa in around that.  Some/one/whoever is trying to goad/bully him.
Tell me who it is dcf, I will PM them to death.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 01:42:32 AM
I'll just put some ground bait down and see if we get a bite.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 01:54:26 AM
If he ain't gone then 90% of supporters have..Randy whereareya? Oh yea, at the ear specialists!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 01:59:20 AM
Baby this ain't me? How did we end up here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9234782/Aston-Villa-manager-Alex-McLeish-puts-faith-in-experience-following-goalless-draw-with-West-Bromwich-Albion.html
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 02:45:28 AM
No odds anymore for McL going but there are for the next one in...

Ray Wilkins 20-1? I like that.

Martinez 2-1..naah?

What do they know?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 03:39:18 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 01:42:32 AM
I'll just put some ground bait down and see if we get a bite.


Anyone causing you any problems DC please feel free to message any of us mods.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 05:16:36 AM
It's OK PWS, the stalker will dig his own grave, thanks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 30, 2012, 05:51:12 AM
so McLeish is still in charge? but it's Monday..

all the gossip isn't helping the situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 30, 2012, 06:53:20 AM
Yes to Wilkins but not as manager
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2012, 06:59:07 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on April 29, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:32:27 PM
Wow. He shouted once on radio when Villa scored. That's me convinced.
Peter he is a Villa fan, you may not like it but he has allways been a Villa fan.

Yes, he is. There's no need for that cynicism PWS. I've already said that I'll ask about the reactions to the Holte.

It's my opinion Legion and as far as I know i'm allowed to post it here.
Will you two please stop it?!

Stop what? Having a discussion?
Come on Leeg, it's a joke!

Bit touchy last night. Apologies.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2012, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 01:59:20 AM
Baby this ain't me? How did we end up here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9234782/Aston-Villa-manager-Alex-McLeish-puts-faith-in-experience-following-goalless-draw-with-West-Bromwich-Albion.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/9234782/Aston-Villa-manager-Alex-McLeish-puts-faith-in-experience-following-goalless-draw-with-West-Bromwich-Albion.html)

Yeah, saw this. Doesn't paint him in a very good light.
Mind you, now that Woy appears to be the incoming England Manager, Alex's future is safe - either with the Dogheads or the Boggies.
I can't think of a better place for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
He's still here then?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 30, 2012, 08:56:37 AM

FYI : "Aston Villa's Mr. Angry"  [q. The Times] - sits behind the DougOut
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shoody on April 30, 2012, 09:00:09 AM
Quote from: Holy Trinity on April 29, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
is it true bookies have frozen bets on mcleish going, i cant find the market on william hill and im in self imposed exile from skybet

We have our first one ladies and gentlemen! Congratulations Holy Trinity on being the first of what will be hundreds of people during our search for a new manager.

Next Manager markets are always closed at night.

(If I'm wrong now im going to look a right muppet)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
He's still here then?
Yes. No decision will be made until the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on April 30, 2012, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
He's still here then?
Yes. No decision will be made until the end of the season.

Absolutely, it would be insane for either the club or McLeish to part company before the end of the season - there are only 2 games to go after all.

Personally, I'm still to be convinced that McLeish will not be the manager next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 30, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on April 30, 2012, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
He's still here then?
Yes. No decision will be made until the end of the season.

Absolutely, it would be insane for either the club or McLeish to part company before the end of the season - there are only 2 games to go after all.


I strongly disagree ... the mood at VP would be VERY different for the Spurs game if he was NOT there. Mac can easily pick the team & I believe there would be a MUCH more positive atmosphere for the players, young & senior. The crowd would be focussed 100% on being behind the team, - not distracted (especially if we concede) by McLeech & Grant. PLUS, I think the club would see a rise in renewals of Season tickets (some will NOT with him still there).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on April 30, 2012, 09:49:31 AM
To agree with keeping him there is to condone what he has done & is doing with players & team - plus the cosequential effects on fans & club.  The sooner he goes the better, for all concerned (except his Bank balance).
In the words of the song : "If you gotta go - you'd better go NOW..."  (showing my age here).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2012, 09:51:42 AM
I must admit it would be for the best if he was axed in advance of Sunday but I doubt very much it will happen. Lerner would be absolutely hammered by the press and LMA. It could also give out a negative message to any prospective managers. Abramovich can get away with it but I don't think Lerner can.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on April 30, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
i dont think he will go untill the end of the season, but i agree it wouldnt make much difference if he stays or goes for the final 2 games.

i do think it would be easier on him and his family if it was sorted out sooner though, cant see the point in potentialy putting him through a load of grief from the terraces if things go a bit wrong
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 30, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
I think it would be best to make the change now. As someone has already said the club would be lifted in a huge way for the last 2 games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 30, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2012, 09:51:42 AM
I must admit it would be for the best if he was axed in advance of Sunday but I doubt very much it will happen. Lerner would be absolutely hammered by the press and LMA. It could also give out a negative message to any prospective managers. Abramovich can get away with it but I don't think Lerner can.
Surely Randy can do what he thinks is in the best interest of the club Were not sat in 5th spot still in the Champions League Were a relegation threatened club He'd have every right to get rid of him now when he's set to lose millions I don't see how the LMA could defend him , it's  Randys perogative surely?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 30, 2012, 10:13:35 AM
I imagine (hope) that his departure will be announced after Sunday, once our safety is assured..

Good fucking riddance to bad rubbish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
It'll be after Norwich; that's my guess anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
He's still here then?
Yes. No decision will be made until the end of the season.

Which I think is the right way to do things.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on April 30, 2012, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
It'll be after Norwich; that's my guess anyway.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
It'll be after Norwich; that's my guess anyway.
..even that is still an open decision at the moment, I believe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on April 30, 2012, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
It'll be after Norwich; that's my guess anyway.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on April 30, 2012, 10:16:18 AM
It'll be after Norwich; that's my guess anyway.
..even that is still an open decision at the moment, I believe.

Well, if the feeling is that they need to make a decision as to whether he stays or not, then that says to me that they raen't happy and are considering his position.

I think he'll go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 30, 2012, 10:34:40 AM
I'm sure any decision will be made known to McLeish, and the rest of us, at the end of the season. This idea that he's already been told he's a goner, but been asked to carry on with the last two crucial games, can be filed in the horsecrap cabinet alongside 'Man City's Arabs will soon get bored and piss off back to the desert'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
Gardening leave imo... Probably been told it will be handled in a professional manner and can put all his affairs in order etc. Anyone know Martinez Registration number? Feeling good about things now but need a couple of points to settle the stomach!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
There seems to be a widespread assumption in this thread that Randy, the board, and the players are in agreement with the majority of the fans when it comes to AMc.  I've not seen/heard anything to suggest anything of the sort.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Surrey Villain on April 30, 2012, 10:58:49 AM
I think the next two weeks will be like transfer deadline time when we all look at every site going hoping for news which never comes and if it does its not good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
There seems to be a widespread assumption in this thread that Randy, the board, and the players are in agreement with the majority of the fans when it comes to AMc.  I've not seen/heard anything to suggest anything of the sort.

Well you won't, until he's actually gone.

He'll officially have the 'full support' of the board - right up until the moment they hand him his P45.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on April 30, 2012, 11:17:13 AM
We all know what 'full support of the board' means in Football parlance!

Quote from: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
There seems to be a widespread assumption in this thread that Randy, the board, and the players are in agreement with the majority of the fans when it comes to AMc.  I've not seen/heard anything to suggest anything of the sort.

Well you won't, until he's actually gone.

He'll officially have the 'full support' of the board - right up until the moment they hand him his P45.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 11:22:24 AM
Well I agree that there is the general assumption that he's gone, and if he doesn't go things could get very bad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
It wouldnt surprise me at all if the board decided to keep him on IF we stay up hence why I am not getting too excited about him leaving
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
It wouldnt surprise me at all if the board decided to keep him on IF we stay up hence why I am not getting too excited about him leaving


That'd be a big mistake, because on the whole the fans are completely lost now and I can't see how he'd win them back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:38:16 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 30, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
It wouldnt surprise me at all if the board decided to keep him on IF we stay up hence why I am not getting too excited about him leaving


That'd be a big mistake, because on the whole the fans are completely lost now and I can't see how he'd win them back.

I agree with you but you cant sometimes help and feel that they would still press on ahead with their plans to keep him and sign some players
I hope im very wrong though
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 30, 2012, 12:00:15 PM
the only way he will win over the fans is to play something that approximates to football. And win a few games doing it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
There seems to be a widespread assumption in this thread that Randy, the board, and the players are in agreement with the majority of the fans when it comes to AMc.  I've not seen/heard anything to suggest anything of the sort.

Well you won't, until he's actually gone.

He'll officially have the 'full support' of the board - right up until the moment they hand him his P45.

I repeat.  The premise is all assumption.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nev on April 30, 2012, 12:48:09 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 30, 2012, 12:00:15 PM
the only way he will win over the fans is to play something that approximates to football. And win a few games doing it.

That ship sailed a long time ago. We played football against Arsenal at home but depsite the huge positive reaction from the fans and press alike, he decided to continue his cautious, cowardly approach and it is this that has decided his fate. Fortune favours the brave.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 30, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
Seems to be a growing feeling in the past week that he'll go. I've got a feeling that when he does, the accompanying statement will direct a fair amount of reasoning to his non-acceptance by the fans, which will really wind me up, as will, no doubt, the stream of articles that will follow in the press.

I'd like him to leave after the Spurs game and, for a bit of fun, we take on Norwich without a manager. Just leave the players to it themselves. Just for a laugh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 30, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 30, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
It wouldnt surprise me at all if the board decided to keep him on IF we stay up hence why I am not getting too excited about him leaving


That'd be a big mistake, because on the whole the fans are completely lost now and I can't see how he'd win them back.

It would be pointless anyway, he's a Manager who is totally incapable of setting up sides that play anything other than negative.
The supporters will not put up with another season of drab, borefest football.

The only answer is to get rid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.
Changing the manager would cost about that when you take into account McLeish's compensation, paying off a contract at the new manager's current club and then the first year of his wages. Having gone through the process of finding a new manager in each of the last two seasons and seen both of those appointments proving to be unpopular with fans, I'm guessing there's going to be a big reluctance to have another summer of upheaval when we could still ending up making the wrong appointment.
They will know that the current manager hasn't lost the backing of his players and retains respect both at Bodymoor and in the football world in general. They will also know that football fans ARE pretty fickle and can be swayed by a run of decent performances and results.
I think they'll back their own initial judgement on McLeish at this stage, with their fingers firmly crossed.

As for my own opinion for what it's worth – I wouldn't sack him for the sake of it, if it meant fumbling blindly for a replacement. I don't see how that would benefit the players who have had not only changes of management to contend with but have gone from one extreme to the other and back in terms of footballing philosophies.
Sadly, and I am ashamed to say this, what I would hope for is that if they have already decided on a change and have his replacement lined up (and a deal agreed) with a clear plan of the way forward. Somehow I can't see that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 30, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
Seems to be a growing feeling in the past week that he'll go. I've got a feeling that when he does, the accompanying statement will direct a fair amount of reasoning to his non-acceptance by the fans, which will really wind me up, as will, no doubt, the stream of articles that will follow in the press.

I'd like him to leave after the Spurs game and, for a bit of fun, we take on Norwich without a manager. Just leave the players to it themselves. Just for a laugh.


I'm not fussed what he blames as long as he's gone come the end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 30, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 30, 2012, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on April 30, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
It wouldnt surprise me at all if the board decided to keep him on IF we stay up hence why I am not getting too excited about him leaving


That'd be a big mistake, because on the whole the fans are completely lost now and I can't see how he'd win them back.

It would be pointless anyway, he's a Manager who is totally incapable of setting up sides that play anything other than negative.
The supporters will not put up with another season of drab, borefest football.

The only answer is to get rid.

Exactly, it's gone far too far and the board would be mad to test the fans patience further. They need to admit their horrendous error and set about rectifying it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on April 30, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
There seems to be a widespread assumption in this thread that Randy, the board, and the players are in agreement with the majority of the fans when it comes to AMc.  I've not seen/heard anything to suggest anything of the sort.

Well you won't, until he's actually gone.

He'll officially have the 'full support' of the board - right up until the moment they hand him his P45.

I repeat.  The premise is all assumption.

Prior to last Tuesday, everything pointed to him being our manager for the forseeable -  he was even making plans for next season, signing players and busy with agents trying to sort out other transfer deals. All of which suggested he had at least until the midway point of next year.

Now that's been parked.  The statement released by the club deliberately avoided any mention of McLeish in a medium>longterm sense. They would back him no further than beyond the three games.  They also "openly acknowledge the frustrations of Villa fans and share in them completely."     The frustrations of most Villa fans centre largely on the appointment of McLeish, his continued presence at the club and the decline he has overseen in next to no time.  If they are being genuine, how would they expect to move on and plan for the future with the root cause of the problem not being addressed?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on April 30, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Randy Lerner's interview in The Times earlier in the season suggested the decision to get rid of Houllier had been taken quite a while before the end of the season due to his poor relationship with the players. I was convinced McLeish would still be in charge next season until last Tuesday night. I think the decision to get rid of him was made then based on both results and fans feelings and he will go the day after the last game. A previous poster mentioned the respect for AM at Bodymoor and in football. Maybe as a bloke but how many of the players would give him a glowing reference as a manager? And I wouldn't imagine his next job will be in the English Premier League .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: damon loves JT on April 30, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on April 30, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
I think the decision to get rid of him was made then based on both results and fans feelings and he will go the day after the last game.

I think it will be a `Breaking News' strap at the bottom of the SSN screen an hour after the final whistle at Norwich.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on April 30, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 30, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on April 30, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
I think the decision to get rid of him was made then based on both results and fans feelings and he will go the day after the last game.

I think it will be a `Breaking News' strap at the bottom of the SSN screen an hour after the final whistle at Norwich.

They won't act that quickly.  I'd say it'll be late May.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: prmort on April 30, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.

It's not £5m though, it's £5m plus associated sales next season...and the next season etc..

He's got to go, no more excuses, just go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 30, 2012, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on April 30, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: damon green on April 30, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on April 30, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
I think the decision to get rid of him was made then based on both results and fans feelings and he will go the day after the last game.

I think it will be a `Breaking News' strap at the bottom of the SSN screen an hour after the final whistle at Norwich.

They won't act that quickly.  I'd say it'll be late May.

they need to . hopefully in Injury time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 30, 2012, 01:50:49 PM
He'll be Wolves bound I reckon. Experience in getting teams promoted, PL manager etc etc blah blah.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on April 30, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
IF McLeish stays in the role, and gets some faces in he wants to replace out of contract's, alongside the continual bringing through of our youth team, and starts out well next season, how long until he will realistically been forgiven?  Pardue a London Mafia agent is now pretty much walking with the freedom of the toon.  McLeish with a team built mostly of youngsters (our youngsters), competing and say in a top 6-8 league position by Christmas.  Would that be enough?  However unlikely this reads, it would be more than enough for me to cheer him on....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: midgeavfc on April 30, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
A pal was out with Faulkner at a bankers dinner and was quite open at the fact that Mcleish will be manager next year, his only target this year was to reduce the wage bill and survive. We are on target for both!!

Taking out the emotion and desire as fans we have there only aim is to make the club sustainable and not as gung ho as the MON period.

Ultimately if you like it, dislike it,believe it, dont believe it, if this is true then we have to accept we are to look forward to mid table mediocrity for a few years!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 30, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
I still think it is premature to say that the club has definitely decided he is leaving. The rash judgement to immediately annul Houllier's contract at the end of last season with no viable replacement ready must be playing on their minds.

Also the Midlands club don't offer much potential for poaching this time. Hodgson is going to get the England job and Houghton is allegedly going to replace him at Olbion. That only leaves Conner at Wolves.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on April 30, 2012, 02:00:22 PM
In that case PF should be out the door too for publicaly stating we were aiming at Europe.

It would be utter madness to keep him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on April 30, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
As part of his ludicrously overpaid settlement agreement, he should be made to stand in the centre circle while five random supporters are pre picked to kick him repeatedly up the arse, in a Laurel and Hardy comedy style.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: midnite on April 30, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
It's just one of those statements. You you can't go to one of those public dinners without knowing you're going to be asked that question. An if asked what would the response be? It would be very irresponsible of Faulkner to say anything else. They have to show unity and support for each other until the time is right to state otherwise.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 02:09:28 PM
He's hardly going to say to a random bloke at a dinner "well to be honest, we fucked up big style and can't wait to get rid of him as soon as possible."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dribbler on April 30, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: midgeavfc on April 30, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
A pal was out with Faulkner at a bankers dinner and was quite open at the fact that Mcleish will be manager next year, his only target this year was to reduce the wage bill and survive. We are on target for both!!

Taking out the emotion and desire as fans we have there only aim is to make the club sustainable and not as gung ho as the MON period.

Ultimately if you like it, dislike it,believe it, dont believe it, if this is true then we have to accept we are to look forward to mid table mediocrity for a few years!!!

If this is the case then IMO we have to hit the club where it hurts most, in the pocket. Nothing else will maybe persuade them otherwise. What other type of business continually goes against the will of its customers and expects to continue to get custom and continue profiting? Ok, there are probably a few, but football clubs and their owners, being more than 'just' a business', often rely on the sentiments of the clubs supporters to carry on paying money to the club even though they are protesting. In which case the money brought in by the protesters often outweighs their protests. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: prmort on April 30, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.

It's not £5m though, it's £5m plus associated sales next season...and the next season etc..

It's not just ticket sales, we stand to lose between £4m - £5m this season on PL prize money compared to last season.
I can't believe Randy and Faulkner are from the same school as George Osborne, where they'll continuously cut away at the costs whilst ignoring the revenue losses. For that reason alone it makes financial sense to replace Alex McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 30, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: midgeavfc on April 30, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
A pal was out with Faulkner at a bankers dinner and was quite open at the fact that Mcleish will be manager next year, his only target this year was to reduce the wage bill and survive. We are on target for both!!

Taking out the emotion and desire as fans we have there only aim is to make the club sustainable and not as gung ho as the MON period.

Ultimately if you like it, dislike it,believe it, dont believe it, if this is true then we have to accept we are to look forward to mid table mediocrity for a few years!!!

Mid table? I wish.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Astral Weeks on April 30, 2012, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Merv on April 30, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: midgeavfc on April 30, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
A pal was out with Faulkner at a bankers dinner and was quite open at the fact that Mcleish will be manager next year, his only target this year was to reduce the wage bill and survive. We are on target for both!!

Taking out the emotion and desire as fans we have there only aim is to make the club sustainable and not as gung ho as the MON period.

Ultimately if you like it, dislike it,believe it, dont believe it, if this is true then we have to accept we are to look forward to mid table mediocrity for a few years!!!

Mid table? I wish.



Yeah, I think we'd all settle for mid table mediocrity right now. The trouble is, when you set up your club and your squad to make mid table your default position, it only takes a few weeks and a run of poor results to slip from mid table to dire peril. Witness our season so far. Far better to aim higher and fall short.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on April 30, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 30, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
As part of his ludicrously overpaid settlement agreement, he should be made to stand in the centre circle while five random supporters are pre picked to kick him repeatedly up the arse, in a Laurel and Hardy comedy style.

Can we introduce custard pies and a saw-mill to the scenario?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.
Changing the manager would cost about that when you take into account McLeish's compensation, paying off a contract at the new manager's current club and then the first year of his wages. Having gone through the process of finding a new manager in each of the last two seasons and seen both of those appointments proving to be unpopular with fans, I'm guessing there's going to be a big reluctance to have another summer of upheaval when we could still ending up making the wrong appointment.
They will know that the current manager hasn't lost the backing of his players and retains respect both at Bodymoor and in the football world in general. They will also know that football fans ARE pretty fickle and can be swayed by a run of decent performances and results.
I think they'll back their own initial judgement on McLeish at this stage, with their fingers firmly crossed.

As for my own opinion for what it's worth – I wouldn't sack him for the sake of it, if it meant fumbling blindly for a replacement. I don't see how that would benefit the players who have had not only changes of management to contend with but have gone from one extreme to the other and back in terms of footballing philosophies.
Sadly, and I am ashamed to say this, what I would hope for is that if they have already decided on a change and have his replacement lined up (and a deal agreed) with a clear plan of the way forward. Somehow I can't see that.

A balanced response and one that I find hard to disagree with.  This owner and senior management have done much to pander to the wishes of the VP faithful in recent years with little or no success (largely due to their own failings).  Like the majority I'd rather McLeish hadn't been appointed and would be delighted to see him leave, but I also have the feeling that with no obvious replacement (that we could realistically attract), Randy is unlikely to want to repeat his mistakes, so will let the dust settle for a few weeks after the season's end, then announce that the scotsman will continue as manager of Aston Villa next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on April 30, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 30, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
As part of his ludicrously overpaid settlement agreement, he should be made to stand in the centre circle while five random supporters are pre picked to kick him repeatedly up the arse, in a Laurel and Hardy comedy style.

Can we introduce custard pies and a saw-mill to the scenario?

They could always get McLeish and Grant to push an upright piano up the stairs to the top of the Holte.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Chrisupnorth on April 30, 2012, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on April 30, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on April 30, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
As part of his ludicrously overpaid settlement agreement, he should be made to stand in the centre circle while five random supporters are pre picked to kick him repeatedly up the arse, in a Laurel and Hardy comedy style.

Can we introduce custard pies and a saw-mill to the scenario?

They could always get McLeish and Grant to push an upright piano up the stairs to the top of the Holte.

Only if they let it go at the top and had to race it back down!  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 30, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: midgeavfc on April 30, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
A pal was out with Faulkner at a bankers dinner and was quite open at the fact that Mcleish will be manager next year, his only target this year was to reduce the wage bill and survive. We are on target for both!!

Taking out the emotion and desire as fans we have there only aim is to make the club sustainable and not as gung ho as the MON period.

Ultimately if you like it, dislike it,believe it, dont believe it, if this is true then we have to accept we are to look forward to mid table mediocrity for a few years!!!

expect crowds of 23,000 , Mr Faulkner
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 03:41:18 PM
Not convinced. McLeish will not be Villa manager next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on April 30, 2012, 03:49:30 PM
picking up on midgeavfac's post about PF chatting to people at a recent corporate do its true and I made a simiar post a week or two ago. however during his chat with my brother-in-law who knows him to talk to at these do's he only really talked about not understanding why our crowds were solow this season, when, even factoring in the current economic climate, other clubs had not seen such a marked decline. Naturally my b-i-law wa a little gobsmacked and suggested it had a lot to do with AM, worst home season ever, etc etc. PF then expressed support for his gingerness but as others point out, you wouldn't expect him to do anything other than that. Lastly, this was a few weeks ago, and the situation has got worse since, he obvious tipping point being last Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on April 30, 2012, 04:03:18 PM
If Mr Faulkner is still of that opinion he is a famous eejit.
Somehow I doubt he is. But the fact he has expressed suprise means he really should have no input in footballing matters and stick to the business side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: barrysleftfoot on April 30, 2012, 04:05:27 PM

  The Mercury would'nt have produced such a story as they did yday if they did'nt have some kind of insider info.

  The negative costs for keeping McL would cost us more than £5m per year imho, with reduced home attendances, and the effects that would have on matcd day income, and more importantly lack of interest in the club.If they think the supporters were harsh this season, if they keep him for next year then it will be much worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2012, 04:10:10 PM
Add to that what type of manager would be available mid-season should things continue on a downward spirral? Hardly the best time to go searching for a replacement.

I'd also question whether he's worthy of trusting with whatever transfer funds we may have. Hutton and N'Zogbia are right up there with Davies, Sidwell and Harewood. Utter crap!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on April 30, 2012, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on April 30, 2012, 03:49:30 PM
picking up on midgeavfac's post about PF chatting to people at a recent corporate do its true and I made a simiar post a week or two ago. however during his chat with my brother-in-law who knows him to talk to at these do's he only really talked about not understanding why our crowds were solow this season, when, even factoring in the current economic climate, other clubs had not seen such a marked decline. Naturally my b-i-law wa a little gobsmacked and suggested it had a lot to do with AM, worst home season ever, etc etc. PF then expressed support for his gingerness but as others point out, you wouldn't expect him to do anything other than that. Lastly, this was a few weeks ago, and the situation has got worse since, he obvious tipping point being last Tuesday.

If true, PF is a deluded man. Last season, on the day McLeish was appointed I wondered if we'd sell out a single game this season. I expected attendances to be down on Houllier's year at the helm. How can they not make this link?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on April 30, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 30, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: prmort on April 30, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.

It's not £5m though, it's £5m plus associated sales next season...and the next season etc..

It's not just ticket sales, we stand to lose between £4m - £5m this season on PL prize money compared to last season.
I can't believe Randy and Faulkner are from the same school as George Osborne, where they'll continuously cut away at the costs whilst ignoring the revenue losses. For that reason alone it makes financial sense to replace Alex McLeish.

Yes but no one at the club seems to have financial sense. Irrespective of the high salaries granted to signings, the compensation packages to MON, Houllier, Blues for poaching the current manager and the presumably the imminent redundancy to said current manager must be reaching circa £15 million.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on April 30, 2012, 04:18:22 PM
Hmmm. You would have thought (or hoped) that Faulkner would have grasped the link between good results and performances and crowd attendance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 30, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on April 30, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on April 30, 2012, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: prmort on April 30, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on April 30, 2012, 12:57:56 PM
The decision maker/s will sit down and way up the pros and cons and decide to stand by the manager. They are fully aware of the fans feelings and will anticipate a big hit in season ticket sales – losing 10,000 sales would be the worst case scenario and that would cost around £5m.

It's not £5m though, it's £5m plus associated sales next season...and the next season etc..

It's not just ticket sales, we stand to lose between £4m - £5m this season on PL prize money compared to last season.
I can't believe Randy and Faulkner are from the same school as George Osborne, where they'll continuously cut away at the costs whilst ignoring the revenue losses. For that reason alone it makes financial sense to replace Alex McLeish.

Yes but no one at the club seems to have financial sense. Irrespective of the high salaries granted to signings, the compensation packages to MON, Houllier, Blues for poaching the current manager and the presumably the imminent redundancy to said current manager must be reaching circa £15 million.

Of course there's some grasp of reality regarding our financial situation within the club, why else would we be looking to drastically reduce the wage bill? The £15m in compensation was mainly unavoidable. What's not is the potential lost revenue from gate receipts and prize money. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't make financial sense, nevermind footballing sense, to keep Alex McLeish as manager.

As Risso has pointed out on here in some detail, we are seriously in debt and it will take some time to recover. I'd imagine the telesales to season ticket holders over these last few months, the reduced numbers of renewals to date and ever deducing  attendances this season, especially season ticket holders not bothering to turn up, will have the alarm bells ringing.

The big question is not whether we replace McLeish this summer but who we replace him with. Now that's an area at the club where we seem to have no sense. I'd love to know who were the so-called 'advisors' last summer. Somebody was seriously taking the piss.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 30, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
Quote
I'd love to know who were the so-called 'advisors' last summer

Fergie!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
If they keep Mcleish they will be in for a lot of pain. The fans have had enough, fewer will turn up and we will only get worse. I can't believe they are that stupid, so surely he's gone. He's completely lost the fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 30, 2012, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 30, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
Quote
I'd love to know who were the so-called 'advisors' last summer

Fergie!!!

Especially when GT is quoted as saying they invited him in to advise and then pretty much stood him up.  It does sound like "Sir Alex” was one of very few footballing advisors.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 30, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
Quote
I'd love to know who were the so-called 'advisors' last summer

Fergie!!!

McLeish's agent.... (not Fergy's son is it...?)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cb on April 30, 2012, 05:45:29 PM
This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic! I fully understand the need for us to cut our cloth to measure at the moment. We won't be able to compete with the likes of City for many years to come. PL football has become mind numbingly boring for those outside the top four and clubs now have to effectively risk their very existence to make the jump to the top level, or else rely upon a super rich mega billionaire. Our billionaire isn't mega-rich and wants us to be self-sustaining. I get that. However, I don't believe that this has to go hand in hand with employing the manager who likes to play the most tedious tactics in the league. Yes we may have to make do with mid-table for some time to come, but I think we could at least be a little bit interesting and maybe even begin to look competitive again, without having to spend 100s of millions. If we at least saw that the club was trying to be a bit progressive, in terms of what we were doing on the football side of things then I think the fans would be on board, but the way things are going now, I just don't see why we should.

I've been a Villa fan for nigh on twenty years now, and I have known darker times and better times, but I have never been so utterly disinterested in my own club, or football in general for that matter. If they want me to shell out the travel expenses and matchday expenses to come to VP, then it needs to be at least somewhat worth my time and money. I'm not even talking about winning stuff here, I'm just saying that for me to spend in excess of £100 to go to VP I need something more than the snooze-fests I've seen this year to make me think it's worth it...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
Nothing to do with me.  Just posting.

McLeish Out Day
 
Sunday 6th May
 
**PRESS RELEASE**
 
This statement is in direct reply to the Chairman and CEO`s statement of the 25/04/12
 
On the 6th of May 2012 - 'McLeish out Day` is a day dedicated to broadcasting the message, loud and clear, that the vast majority of Aston Villa supporters are extremely unhappy with the current situation at Villa Park.
 
This is more than a protest to remove McLeish.
 
It is an opportunity for all Villa fans to express their dismay at the ignorance of the Clubs owner and management and the apparent disregard of the concerns of the loyal supporters. There have been measures taken by Aston Villa Football Club to suffocate the ground swell of discontent, and we offer all Aston villa fans the opportunity to peacefully show their dismay at our Board and management.
 
McLeish Out Day is the culmination of a series of planned events, taking place around the ground, before, during and after the match, organised by a number of fan groups, that will leave the Club and the watching media in no doubt whatsoever that the fans have had enough and will take no more.
 
McLeish's position as Aston Villa Manager is now widely perceived as untenable. A concern that was voiced by many Villa supporters before his appointment was confirmed and throughout his disastrous tenure. We absolutely will not accept another season under his stewardship.
 
It is not about where he came from. It is where he is taking us.
 
*Our worst home record in the History of Aston Villa Football Club.
 
*On course for our worst points tally since the formation of the English Premier League.
 
*Our lowest amount of wins in Villa's proud Premiership History.
 
*Just one win in our last 14 games.
 
*An alarming slump in matchday attendances.
 
The team will receive our full passionate and vocal support during the game as always.
 
Before this season is over, the fans will have the final say.
 
 
 
Read more: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7512017#ixzz1tXeT63Z8
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on April 30, 2012, 07:11:55 PM
Well said cb.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 29, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
I love you Legion! Even though I disagree on the collymore thing.

That's what a discussion board is for. A difference of opinion. Even though you're wrong!

Am not!

x infinity plus one. I win. Ner ner.

I can confirm through a family member that SVC has been a Villa fan all his life. The link with Wolves comes from the time he was on YTS terms with them and he used to go and watch occasionally. He was also on a YTS at Walsall and did the same there. Please feel free to apologise profusely...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
So why did he goad .... nah can't be arsed anymore. I'll stick to my opinion based on what I saw and leave everyone else to theirs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2012, 07:21:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
So why did he goad .... nah can't be arsed anymore. I'll stick to my opinion based on what I saw and leave everyone else to theirs.

Ah. I forgot to ask about that. Stay tuned for Part II next week.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on April 30, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
I can't really argue with that statement really.

I think a lot more people will turn up to this one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 30, 2012, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!
They are living on a completely different planet Were all shitting ourselves and they're filling their faces and getting pissed
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

And for the first time ever, the manager of the year award goes to the lady who runs the post-match cleaning squad!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 30, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
Fucking hell, that'll be a full on 8 course dinner. Dunne will be out for the last two games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 30, 2012, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on April 30, 2012, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!
They are living on a completely different planet Were all shitting ourselves and they're filling their faces and getting pissed

one - the season aint over

two- awards? for what ?

three - could they play any worse if they had been on the pop?  :-\
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

Dcf has gone to it and left me home alone.  Not happy.  He was invited and I wasn't.  Booooooooo
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2012, 08:09:10 PM
I find the last sentence of that statement very arrogant. Whilst I fully hate the tenure under this terrible Manager and think that Randy has royally fucked up with the appointment, I cannot tell the man how to run HIS club.  I would like him to listen to the fans and canvas the right people in appointing a Manager but some people have forgotten their place. Just my opinion.  I'll be at the game calling for McLeish's head too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 30, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
Fucking hell, that'll be a full on 8 course dinner. Dunne will be out for the last two games.

It'll be like that scene in that Monty Python film, the not very good one. The one with the fat bloke. That one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 30, 2012, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
So why did he goad .... nah can't be arsed anymore. I'll stick to my opinion based on what I saw and leave everyone else to theirs.

Heat of the moment etc. I saw Mark Walters do the same, and I know he's a Villa fan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2012, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on April 30, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
Fucking hell, that'll be a full on 8 course dinner. Dunne will be out for the last two games.

It'll be like that scene in that Monty Python film, the not very good one. The one with the fat bloke. That one.

Go on Mr Creosote, just one more wafer thin piece!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 30, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

Dcf has gone to it and left me home alone.  Not happy.  He was invited and I wasn't.  Booooooooo

We need a full report on McCleish's demeanour, we can get at lest another ten pages reading into his body language at an awards night.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on April 30, 2012, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 30, 2012, 08:17:08 PM

We need a full report on McCleish's demeanour, we can get at lest another ten pages reading into his body language at an awards night.
This
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 30, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

Dcf has gone to it and left me home alone.  Not happy.  He was invited and I wasn't.  Booooooooo

We need a full report on McCleish's demeanour, we can get at lest another ten pages reading into his body language at an awards night.

Dcf will start the evening trying to take everything in, then he'll get drunk and forget it all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on April 30, 2012, 08:30:45 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 30, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

Dcf has gone to it and left me home alone.  Not happy.  He was invited and I wasn't.  Booooooooo

We need a full report on McCleish's demeanour, we can get at lest another ten pages reading into his body language at an awards night.

Dcf will start the evening trying to take everything in, then he'll get drunk and forget it all.

Good form haha!! Get him to text whilst he still remembers!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 30, 2012, 08:31:47 PM
I've been to two or three of the POY Awards and would normally end up hammered. When MoN spoke a couple of years ago and stated Hughes couldn't have his job you just knew he was planning his exit. He looked like a man on his way out and that was 3 months or so before he actually did walk.
Can imagine the atmosphere is a tad tense tonight. Lets hope we get some updates.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:23:31 PM
Quote from: TheEgoHasLanded on April 30, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: caster troy on April 30, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Our end of season awards event is tonight, you couldn't make it up!

Dcf has gone to it and left me home alone.  Not happy.  He was invited and I wasn't.  Booooooooo

We need a full report on McCleish's demeanour, we can get at lest another ten pages reading into his body language at an awards night.

Dcf will start the evening trying to take everything in, then he'll get drunk and forget it all.

Hahaha, he sounds like me! Did you not tell him to text you before he started on the beer?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
Haven't had more than a fleeting sight of him since after the game Saturday.  He went down to London to work, came back today, hospital for 4 hours and home for 15 minutes to get booted and suited and he was gone.

I'm hoping that if there's anything of importance to report he'll either text or write it into his notes on his phone.  Probably be indescipherable mind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on April 30, 2012, 08:44:30 PM
Is it black tie or black arm band tonight?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
Ah well VJK, I hope he has a good night, somebody has to enjoy something out of our season! I'm going to open a bottle of red and have my own party!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:01:55 PM
Quote from: James on April 30, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
Ah well VJK, I hope he has a good night, somebody has to enjoy something out of our season! I'm going to open a bottle of red and have my own party!

I'm just going to open a bottle of white. Shouldn't really, not supposed to drink on or around the day I take my weekly tablets but sod it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:01:55 PM

I'm just going to open a bottle of white. Shouldn't really, not supposed to drink on or around the day I take my weekly tablets but sod it.

Blimey, I've just posted something in the "Other Games" thread about you opening a bottle of wine. Then I come to this thread and find out that you've just done that very thing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 09:11:35 PM
Don't stand for that Pauline! Give him a boot up the backside before the Spurs game. I'll act as a GPS and tell you where he is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:01:55 PM

I'm just going to open a bottle of white. Shouldn't really, not supposed to drink on or around the day I take my weekly tablets but sod it.

Blimey, I've just posted something in the "Other Games" thread about you opening a bottle of wine. Then I come to this thread and find out that you've just done that very thing.
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:01:55 PM

I'm just going to open a bottle of white. Shouldn't really, not supposed to drink on or around the day I take my weekly tablets but sod it.

Blimey, I've just posted something in the "Other Games" thread about you opening a bottle of wine. Then I come to this thread and find out that you've just done that very thing.

Only the first bottle, mind. Tsk. There was a 75 cl bottle of water next to the bottle of wine in the fridge.  I nearly opened the wrong one.  Horror of horrors.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?


C'mon, predicting that Villajk will open a bottle of wine hardly makes me Nostradamus. Its one of the safest bets that can be made.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 09:11:35 PM
Don't stand for that Pauline! Give him a boot up the backside before the Spurs game. I'll act as a GPS and tell you where he is.

I shall do just that PWS.  Will you two be with Legion?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2012, 09:18:09 PM
They'd better be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 09:21:43 PM
Hopefully Leeg will persuade Dave to let him sell on Trinity Road. I'm too old for the hike down to the church!

If we are all there like the 3 wise men then do come and say hello.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Will do.  And I won't even have had a drink.  Well, a pint of water.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on April 30, 2012, 09:18:09 PM
They'd better be.

Yep, we have to negotiate next season's security contract
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on April 30, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
Easy. Purchase each and every issue of H&V from me and I'll keep my bad luck to myself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?


C'mon, predicting that Villajk will open a bottle of wine hardly makes me Nostradamus. Its one of the safest bets that can be made.
Desperate measures mate, desperate measures!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 30, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
Shay Given - Player of the Year I'm reading on twitter...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?


C'mon, predicting that Villajk will open a bottle of wine hardly makes me Nostradamus. Its one of the safest bets that can be made.

Where do I get this reputation from, I demand to know?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2012, 10:08:04 PM
Sid has won former player of the year at the awards do apparently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on April 30, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?


C'mon, predicting that Villajk will open a bottle of wine hardly makes me Nostradamus. Its one of the safest bets that can be made.

Where do I get this reputation from, I demand to know?

Your sig may be a tiny clue   ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OCD on April 30, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 30, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
Shay Given - Player of the Year I'm reading on twitter...

Shows how bad the outfield players have been this year. For me Guzan looked a better keeper when he had a run in the side too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 11:12:42 PM
Quote from: OCD on April 30, 2012, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on April 30, 2012, 09:43:45 PM
Shay Given - Player of the Year I'm reading on twitter...

Shows how bad the outfield players have been this year. For me Guzan looked a better keeper when he had a run in the side too.
Perhaps he came second?
I think my mate Dave came third. He's great at keepy-uppy when he's pissed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on April 30, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: CJ on April 30, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: villajk on April 30, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on April 30, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Could you please say we'll beats Spuds and Norwich?


C'mon, predicting that Villajk will open a bottle of wine hardly makes me Nostradamus. Its one of the safest bets that can be made.

Where do I get this reputation from, I demand to know?

Your sig may be a tiny clue   ;)

Yes, the sig ...













 and the fact that no bookie will take a bet on it!  ;)

(Just having a laugh VJK, absolutely no offence intended!)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on April 30, 2012, 11:24:56 PM
No offence taken.  Hic
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on April 30, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
We look very likely to be staying up now even if lose both games.  So if we do, I still see AM's position as manager next season impossible.   The fans have turned.  He cannot be allowed to be in charge after the season, never mind lead them out on the 1st game next season. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2012, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

no sure whether to be pleased or scared to death
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 01:43:56 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

no sure whether to be pleased or scared to death

Exactly my thoughts.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 01, 2012, 07:31:21 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

Can you elaborate?

He's going to go with all defenders and given up front on his own
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 07:31:21 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 01:43:56 AM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

no sure whether to be pleased or scared to death

Exactly my thoughts.

The latter I fear!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 01, 2012, 07:43:08 AM
Hope he wasn't being gung-ho about the match, we are all used to drab nil-nil draws and we are capable of getting one, its all we need.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 01, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
Kendrick has been pretty inconsistent on mcleish. 3 weeks ago he was definitely staying, a week ago he was gone, today he reports that he 'may go even if we stay up'.

I suspect he just doesnt know
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 08:39:01 AM
He's said he's going to go for it and play this way or that how many times now?
But I know what will happen is that which has happened 98% of the time. We'll try and keep it tight and have very little cohesion going forward and it will be dull, unimaginative and uninspiring.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 01, 2012, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 01, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
Kendrick has been pretty inconsistent on mcleish. 3 weeks ago he was definitely staying, a week ago he was gone, today he reports that he 'may go even if we stay up'.

I suspect he just doesnt know
Or I suspect he's got knowledge from inside the club, and they've changed their mind on McLeish's future....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 08:39:01 AM
He's said he's going to go for it and play this way or that how many times now?
But I know what will happen is that which has happened 98% of the time. We'll try and keep it tight and have very little cohesion going forward and it will be dull, unimaginative and uninspiring.


Quite I'm fed up with his claims of what we're going to do. Just fuck off Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 01, 2012, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 08:39:01 AM
He's said he's going to go for it and play this way or that how many times now?
But I know what will happen is that which has happened 98% of the time. We'll try and keep it tight and have very little cohesion going forward and it will be dull, unimaginative and uninspiring.

Well, he has been manager for 18 years now, and little of that time have his teams played anything resembling attacking football. His history shows that he is either unable or unwilling to play anything other than safety first-football. Anyway, as we've so far only managed one goal a game (only Stoke has scored fewer than us) this season, it's a little late leaving such progressive thoughts till the penultimate game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

You big tease.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 01, 2012, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

You big tease.

I believe that Mr Five may be starting up front with Emile
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 01, 2012, 07:43:08 AM
Hope he wasn't being gung-ho about the match, we are all used to drab nil-nil draws and we are capable of getting one, its all we need.

McLeish's idea of gung ho football is playing Emile Heskey up front rather than on the wing.  Anyway, I hope DCF comforted McLeish as he is likely to be cruelly overlooked for the Manager of the Month award that he mentioned last time they met.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:29:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 01, 2012, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

You big tease.

I believe that Mr Five may be starting up front with Emile

Don't give the game away.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 01, 2012, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 01, 2012, 09:10:39 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:06:30 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

You big tease.

I believe that Mr Five may be starting up front with Emile

That would be hilarious, especially with Dcf being two weeks away from having both knees replaced.

I'll leave the jokes to you lot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 01, 2012, 09:39:23 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.

Hang on, we might be better at cricket.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.

Have we paid Redknapp off to let us win or something?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 01, 2012, 09:50:39 AM
DC5 - leave it til Sunday night and then tell us what he said. Should be a laugh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:54:41 AM
I've got it.

He's going to play Albrighton on the right, N'Zogbia on the left AND let them cross the halfway line!

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 01, 2012, 09:56:24 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 01, 2012, 09:54:41 AM
I've got it.

He's going to play Albrighton on the right, N'Zogbia on the left AND let them cross the halfway line!



Now you're being silly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 01, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
Bent is back! ;-)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:01:44 AM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 01, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
Bent is back! ;-)
He managed to climb onto the stage to present an award.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 01, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
Am I blind, or is there no thread on the end of season awards?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 01, 2012, 10:07:22 AM
There was one a while ago which has dropped off the front page.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 01, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
What access to AM does DC5 have?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 10:09:11 AM
We're going to have Spurs poisoned?
Its a bit of a left handed way to go about it but, alright.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2012, 10:13:54 AM
A killer virus would be more sporting.  Like Motaba, in the film Outbreak. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
What access to AM does DC5 have?
No more than anyone else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 10:09:11 AM
We're going to have Spurs poisoned?
Its a bit of a left handed way to go about it but, alright.

It worked for Arsenal a few years ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 10:15:07 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 01, 2012, 10:13:54 AM
A killer virus would be more sporting.  Like Motaba, in the film Outbreak. 

Too obvious. We just want them throwing their ribcage up, not throwing a seven.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 01, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Harry will probably not be in charge for the villa game as he will either be sacked or he will walk due to some contract problems.  Spurs players will be shocked and wont want to play hence giving us a great chance of getting 3 points!  woohoo!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.

Have we paid Redknapp off to let us win or something?

Redknapp, when asked how the game was going to go, is believed to have nodded and winked. There must be something in it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 01, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
Or.... something the gaffer talked about a while back...

It's Emile at centre-back, isn't it? Spraying it around, Beckenbauer stylee? Keeping tabs on RDV?

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 01, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 01, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Harry will probably not be in charge for the villa game as he will either be sacked or he will walk due to some contract problems.  Spurs players will be shocked and wont want to play hence giving us a great chance of getting 3 points!  woohoo!

Even if they don't turn up I'd still bet on 0-0.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 01, 2012, 10:29:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 01, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 01, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Harry will probably not be in charge for the villa game as he will either be sacked or he will walk due to some contract problems.  Spurs players will be shocked and wont want to play hence giving us a great chance of getting 3 points!  woohoo!

Even if they don't turn up I'd still bet on 0-0.

Hehe
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 01, 2012, 10:33:54 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 01, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 01, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Harry will probably not be in charge for the villa game as he will either be sacked or he will walk due to some contract problems.  Spurs players will be shocked and wont want to play hence giving us a great chance of getting 3 points!  woohoo!

Even if they don't turn up I'd still bet on 0-0.

If he's playing Emile, I think we'd struggle to get 0.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 01, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.

We? You making an appearance at center half?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 01, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
What access to AM does DC5 have?
No more than anyone else.
So it was an imaginary conversation then?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Quote
Shay Given insists under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish still retains the support of the dressing room.

And the Republic of Ireland goalkeeper insists it is up to everyone to take responsibility for the club's current plight.

Given told BBC Radio Five Live: "Every manager in the Premier League's job is on the line but obviously we're under a bit of pressure and Alex is under a bit of pressure.

"But we have got to take responsibility ourselves, players and staff alike.

"Does McLeish still have dressing room support? Yes of course he does, he's a fantastic manager and we're all right behind him but we'd obviously like results to be better this season."


Come on Shay, 'fantastic'? Really?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 01, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Quote
Shay Given insists under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish still retains the support of the dressing room.

And the Republic of Ireland goalkeeper insists it is up to everyone to take responsibility for the club's current plight.

Given told BBC Radio Five Live: "Every manager in the Premier League's job is on the line but obviously we're under a bit of pressure and Alex is under a bit of pressure.

"But we have got to take responsibility ourselves, players and staff alike.

"Does McLeish still have dressing room support? Yes of course he does, he's a fantastic manager and we're all right behind him but we'd obviously like results to be better this season."


Come on Shay, 'fantastic'? Really?

Typical footballer hyperbole.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 01, 2012, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 01, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Quote
Shay Given insists under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish still retains the support of the dressing room.

And the Republic of Ireland goalkeeper insists it is up to everyone to take responsibility for the club's current plight.

Given told BBC Radio Five Live: "Every manager in the Premier League's job is on the line but obviously we're under a bit of pressure and Alex is under a bit of pressure.

"But we have got to take responsibility ourselves, players and staff alike.

"Does McLeish still have dressing room support? Yes of course he does, he's a fantastic manager and we're all right behind him but we'd obviously like results to be better this season."


Come on Shay, 'fantastic'? Really?

Typical footballer hyperbole.



Well it has been observed that the goalkeeper is often the star player in a Mcleish team so maybe from Shay's point of view he really is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 01, 2012, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 01, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
Or.... something the gaffer talked about a while back...

It's Emile at centre-back, isn't it? Spraying it around, Beckenbauer stylee? Keeping tabs on RDV?



That's not Emile, that's James Collins. Collins middle name may as well be Beckenbaur. I've never known a player hit so many 40 yard passes to feet as him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 12:43:37 PM
Well he can't really say"Hasn't the useless twonk fucked off yet?"can he?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 01, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 01, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Quote
Shay Given insists under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish still retains the support of the dressing room.

And the Republic of Ireland goalkeeper insists it is up to everyone to take responsibility for the club's current plight.

Given told BBC Radio Five Live: "Every manager in the Premier League's job is on the line but obviously we're under a bit of pressure and Alex is under a bit of pressure.

"But we have got to take responsibility ourselves, players and staff alike.

"Does McLeish still have dressing room support? Yes of course he does, he's a fantastic manager and we're all right behind him but we'd obviously like results to be better this season."


Come on Shay, 'fantastic'? Really?

Typical footballer hyperbole.



agreed. I'd read nothing into that. File in the "what else was he going to say when asked" category

Ask for our mate Emile, I think he should convert to a CB to end his career somewhere. Like Dion Dublin did quite successfully.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
What access to AM does DC5 have?
No more than anyone else.
So it was an imaginary conversation then?
Not at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 01, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.

We? You making an appearance at center half?
Not with my knees.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 01, 2012, 11:16:58 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Come on DC5, spill the beans then.

Leaving us hanging after that set up really isn't cricket you know.
We know that others read this thread so to divulge anything material to the playing side would be detrimental to ourselves. I can report that Alex McLeish and Sid are both in good spirits. We are quite confident about the Spurs game.

We? You making an appearance at center half?
Not with my knees.

Well, with who's then?  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on May 01, 2012, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 01, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 01, 2012, 10:17:09 AM
Harry will probably not be in charge for the villa game as he will either be sacked or he will walk due to some contract problems.  Spurs players will be shocked and wont want to play hence giving us a great chance of getting 3 points!  woohoo!

Even if they don't turn up I'd still bet on 0-0.

I hope your not thinking of putting your house on it. I would hate to see someone lose their home due to a Warnock own goal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 01, 2012, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: mike on May 01, 2012, 10:09:01 AM
What access to AM does DC5 have?
No more than anyone else.
So it was an imaginary conversation then?
Not at all.

I'm actually not trying to be awkward, just interested to know how you are privy to our manager's thoughts. Not entirely unreasonable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
He spoke to him and Sid at last nights awards I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 01, 2012, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
He spoke to him and Sid at last nights awards I'm guessing.
Ok. Don't think I could have said anything polite to him. Dave must be a true diplomat!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 02:04:23 PM
I will give you several shiny pennies, Dave McLark Five, if you are willing to part with this information. It's driving me bonkers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 02:33:35 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 01, 2012, 12:49:31 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 01, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Quote
Shay Given insists under-fire Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish still retains the support of the dressing room.

And the Republic of Ireland goalkeeper insists it is up to everyone to take responsibility for the club's current plight.

Given told BBC Radio Five Live: "Every manager in the Premier League's job is on the line but obviously we're under a bit of pressure and Alex is under a bit of pressure.

"But we have got to take responsibility ourselves, players and staff alike.

"Does McLeish still have dressing room support? Yes of course he does, he's a fantastic manager and we're all right behind him but we'd obviously like results to be better this season."


Come on Shay, 'fantastic'? Really?

Typical footballer hyperbole.



agreed. I'd read nothing into that. File in the "what else was he going to say when asked" category

Ask for our mate Emile, I think he should convert to a CB to end his career somewhere. Like Dion Dublin did quite successfully.


Yep very typical. I'll just be happy when Mcleish as gone, because I've seen enough this season that he will never ever be able to change his ways.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way

Players/officials in being positive about the club to fans shocker.

It's not as though they would say they are bricking it and are terrified of going down are they. Same as AM isn't going to tell everyone he is on his way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 01, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
On twitter from McLeish out:

 Out Day 3rd update & Charity Donation #avfc
MAY 1, 2012
Well I am delighted to inform you that the 4 large banners have arrived today and that final order has gone in for 20,000 flyers.  A big thank you to everybody that has donated and also to 2shy2buy.net for making a significant contribution to the day.

We do however now have some cash left over and was thinking of donating it to the Pedal for Petrov charity.  If you have donated and are happy for us to do that please leave a comment.  Also you will able to see what we have donated to them on their website as it publishes all donations. 

Thanks again for all your help

remember we need help to get the 20,000 distributed aswell still!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way

Players/officials in being positive about the club to fans shocker.

It's not as though they would say they are bricking it and are terrified of going down are they. Same as AM isn't going to tell everyone he is on his way.

Just thought I would try to bring something to lighten the gloom on this thread. Never mind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
Why are Kajagoogoo getting involved in protests?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
20,000 flyers? Anyone else having images of another game watching squadrons of paper planes?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
20,000 flyers? Anyone else having images of another game watching squadrons of paper planes?

It's not a bad strategy. With Bale's simian brain he may start playing with the planes instead of giving Hutton a nightmare.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way

Players/officials in being positive about the club to fans shocker.

It's not as though they would say they are bricking it and are terrified of going down are they. Same as AM isn't going to tell everyone he is on his way.

Just thought I would try to bring something to lighten the gloom on this thread. Never mind.

How did you suppose that McLeish being 'positive' would cheer people up?  Now if you'd seen him looking downbeat whilst trudging towards the car park with his personal effects (Charles Hughes coaching manual, photo of Alex Ferguson) in a cardboard box, that would be different.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
20,000 flyers? Anyone else having images of another game watching squadrons of paper planes?

It's not a bad strategy. With Bale's simian brain he may start playing with the planes instead of giving Hutton a nightmare.

I want to know how they stop him climbing the goal nets during games.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
20,000 flyers? Anyone else having images of another game watching squadrons of paper planes?

It's not a bad strategy. With Bale's simian brain he may start playing with the planes instead of giving Hutton a nightmare.

I want to know how they stop him climbing the goal nets during games.

Beat him with sticks until he drinks tea.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 02:54:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 02:51:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way

Players/officials in being positive about the club to fans shocker.

It's not as though they would say they are bricking it and are terrified of going down are they. Same as AM isn't going to tell everyone he is on his way.

Just thought I would try to bring something to lighten the gloom on this thread. Never mind.

How did you suppose that McLeish being 'positive' would cheer people up?  Now if you'd seen him looking downbeat whilst trudging towards the car park with his personal effects (Charles Hughes coaching manual, photo of Alex Ferguson) in a cardboard box, that would be different.


Fair point, I think the vast majority want him gone now so him seeming positive is not particularly good news. If he's here next season things will only get worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:49:11 PM
20,000 flyers? Anyone else having images of another game watching squadrons of paper planes?

It's not a bad strategy. With Bale's simian brain he may start playing with the planes instead of giving Hutton a nightmare.

I want to know how they stop him climbing the goal nets during games.

Beat him with sticks until he drinks tea.

Imagine if he sees the Zorb balls?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 01, 2012, 02:28:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I did speak to them at the awards dinner and it was my impression that they were upbeat from the way they spoke and what they said.
You wouldn't expect them to be anything else really.I still think he'll be on his way

Players/officials in being positive about the club to fans shocker.

It's not as though they would say they are bricking it and are terrified of going down are they. Same as AM isn't going to tell everyone he is on his way.

Just thought I would try to bring something to lighten the gloom on this thread. Never mind.


What exactly have you done to brighten the mood, short of stuck your thumb against you nose, wiggled your fingers and said I know something you don't know?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 03:12:59 PM
He obviously enjoys dangling carrots!You carrot dangling,info keeping swinebag you!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Appears MOMS has got the go ahead for their ad on the cover of the Mail.

Quote
A victory for freedom of speech and supporters vs the money driven corporate world of football!

After a 'bit of an discussion' with the Birmingham Mail over the principles and ethics of the press, and how wanting to keep their 'commercial clients' sweet conflicts with that, the paper have agreed to print our advert in the Birmingham Mail.

So all the people waiting upon this news, plus contribute asap and I need to pay in the next day or two, and paypal takes a couple of days to clear.

If you are not aware of the idea, it's simply a message to say:

We Never Ever Wanted to Say This, But...We Told You So.

MOMS Aston Villa Supporters (not consumers)

It's a polite message for our own self respect. We're not attacking the club or manager, we're just saying us supporters were right at the start and there was a reason we were against an appointment that has caused us a lot of misery and in-fighting, and not to mention, financial loss for the club (low league placing and low attendances).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Appears MOMS has got the go ahead for their ad on the cover of the Mail.

Quote
A victory for freedom of speech and supporters vs the money driven corporate world of football!

After a 'bit of an discussion' with the Birmingham Mail over the principles and ethics of the press, and how wanting to keep their 'commercial clients' sweet conflicts with that, the paper have agreed to print our advert in the Birmingham Mail.

So all the people waiting upon this news, plus contribute asap and I need to pay in the next day or two, and paypal takes a couple of days to clear.

If you are not aware of the idea, it's simply a message to say:

We Never Ever Wanted to Say This, But...We Told You So.

MOMS Aston Villa Supporters (not consumers)

It's a polite message for our own self respect. We're not attacking the club or manager, we're just saying us supporters were right at the start and there was a reason we were against an appointment that has caused us a lot of misery and in-fighting, and not to mention, financial loss for the club (low league placing and low attendances).

A bigger waste of money I couldn't imagine.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?

I think opinions were split
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Who gives a rats ass what McLeish supposedly said in a pub or curry house.
It's hardly like he's a master tactician.

A nod, a wink and the utterance of 'hoof' I dare say.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Appears MOMS has got the go ahead for their ad on the cover of the Mail.

Quote
A victory for freedom of speech and supporters vs the money driven corporate world of football!

After a 'bit of an discussion' with the Birmingham Mail over the principles and ethics of the press, and how wanting to keep their 'commercial clients' sweet conflicts with that, the paper have agreed to print our advert in the Birmingham Mail.

So all the people waiting upon this news, plus contribute asap and I need to pay in the next day or two, and paypal takes a couple of days to clear.

If you are not aware of the idea, it's simply a message to say:

We Never Ever Wanted to Say This, But...We Told You So.

MOMS Aston Villa Supporters (not consumers)

It's a polite message for our own self respect. We're not attacking the club or manager, we're just saying us supporters were right at the start and there was a reason we were against an appointment that has caused us a lot of misery and in-fighting, and not to mention, financial loss for the club (low league placing and low attendances).

A bigger waste of money I couldn't imagine.

Alex McLeech?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?

I think opinions were split

Really? What were the proportions for and against, and were they reflected both in national and local media?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 05:09:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?

I think opinions were split

Really? What were the proportions for and against, and were they reflected both in national and local media?
Didn't say bananas,said fruit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?

I think opinions were split

Really? What were the proportions for and against, and were they reflected both in national and local media?

Bananas....split......come on old bean, keep up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 05:17:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Throw him some fruit!
Imagine the media response if we started throwing bananas on the pitch at Bale.  Think some fans did it to Oliver Kahn can't remember how it went down?

I think opinions were split

Really? What were the proportions for and against, and were they reflected both in national and local media?

Bananas....split......come on old bean, keep up!
sooooo slow
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:21:18 PM
I don't understand. CJ commented that media opinion was divided as to the behaviour of supporters in an individual circumstance and I wondered how this happened, because the English football press rarely act with anything but a united opinion. I suppose it's one of the ways we can learn from the Continent. I honestly can't see why my comments should attract such scorn, unless you all known more about European media than I do.     
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Apyadg on May 01, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
Who or what is "MOMS"?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Was this not a banana split joke?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:21:18 PM
I don't understand. CJ commented that media opinion was divided as to the behaviour of supporters in an individual circumstance and I wondered how this happened, because the English football press rarely act with anything but a united opinion. I suppose it's one of the ways we can learn from the Continent. I honestly can't see why my comments should attract such scorn, unless you all known more about European media than I do.     

Oh, Dave. I'll try to explain.

CJ wasn't necessarily saying opinions were divided, he said "opinions were split" - banana split, geddit?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 05:24:04 PM
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:24:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:21:18 PM
I don't understand. CJ commented that media opinion was divided as to the behaviour of supporters in an individual circumstance and I wondered how this happened, because the English football press rarely act with anything but a united opinion. I suppose it's one of the ways we can learn from the Continent. I honestly can't see why my comments should attract such scorn, unless you all known more about European media than I do.     

Oh, Dave. I'll try to explain.

CJ wasn't necessarily saying opinions were divided, he said "opinions were split" - banana split, geddit?

So he isn't aware of German media behaviour with regards to supporter displays at all? In that case why say he was? I really don't understand this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
Banana -> Banana Split.

It's a H&V word joke.

*suspicious facial expression*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 01, 2012, 10:09:11 AM
We're going to have Spurs poisoned?
Its a bit of a left handed way to go about it but, alright.
Oi, nothing wrong with being cack-handed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
Banana -> Banana Split.

It's a H&V word joke.

*suspicious facial expression*

Ah, you were all joking. Why not say so then? I'm sure I wasn't the only one to be confused.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 05:30:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 01, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
Banana -> Banana Split.

It's a H&V word joke.

*suspicious facial expression*

Ah, you were all joking. Why not say so then? I'm sure I wasn't the only one to be confused.

You and somebody else who shares the same initials I would say.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
Dave Whelan? Is he on here checking what our opinion is of Martinez?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 01, 2012, 05:40:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Was this not a banana split joke?

It was. Not a very good one apparently
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 01, 2012, 05:46:42 PM
MOMS is My Old Man said.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
a lot of twitter 'ITKs' claiming the Board is going to fight off the protests and see out McLeish's contract. Mind you it's twitter, and could easily be a wind up for Sundays organized protests. Heads would roll if he stays on board.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Nothing could surprise us at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Nothing could surprise us at the moment.
There will be a half empty stadium if he is still there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 01, 2012, 07:04:26 PM
There's backing your opinion and then there's cutting your nose off to spite your face.  Keeping McLeish definitely falls in the latter category, if not for football reasons then surely for commercial ones.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 07:21:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.


Absolutely the only reason the fans have calmed a bit is because we think on the whole that he's going. He will never ever succeed at Aston Villa, and he has given us plenty of evidence of this all season. He has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
Crowds and sales down, as well as the team next season if he stays.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: achilles on May 01, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Nothing could surprise us at the moment.

Our Board has shown it has this in bundles!

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
I really can't see him being here next season. A mate of mine has had 3 calls off VP since Friday (he missed the first two but manage to answer the third today) so i presume ST sales are slow at the moment and i can't see them being any better if he's still here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard C on May 01, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 01, 2012, 12:45:11 AM
Nice chat with the Manager tonight.
Looking forward to the Tottenham game now.

West Byom want Big Eck?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Nothing could surprise us at the moment.
There will be a half empty stadium if he is still there.

I doubt it'll be that full tbh!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: James on May 01, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 07:03:44 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 01, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Nothing could surprise us at the moment.
There will be a half empty stadium if he is still there.

I doubt it'll be that full tbh!
Does anybody know the last time Villa had a sub 25,000 crowd for a league game?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 01, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
Pre- or Post- Sky?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
I think we had fairly close to that in 2005 during O'Leary's final season, against Man City when Darius Vassell scored against us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It won't happen, but please God let it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 01, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 01, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
Pre- or Post- Sky?
Either
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It's their own fault for showing their love for McLeish with those banners ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It won't happen, but please God let it.


here here
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 01, 2012, 08:49:34 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us
We can but hope but the Boggies are not that daft
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 01, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: Moorski on May 01, 2012, 08:49:34 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us
We can but hope but the Boggies are not that daft

True. The Dogheads however .....  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
He's Wolves bound... to be sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 01, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
the most devisive of appointments always had the potential to cause the club inestimable damage and it has, is, and will continue to do so, as I'm convinced he's going nowhere. He won't get a transfer budget other than money generated through sales and  money saved on salaries for players leaving and not replaced, or replaced on less money, but I 'm convinced he'll be here next season and given until Christmas to turn it round.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 01, 2012, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It won't happen, but please God let it.

No it would'nt, but if it did i'm not sure if i'd ever stop laughing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 01, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It won't happen, but please God let it.


here here

Still confident he's leaving John?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 01, 2012, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 01, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It's their own fault for showing their love for McLeish with those banners ;)

What did the banners say?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 01, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 01, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
the most devisive of appointments always had the potential to cause the club inestimable damage and it has, is, and will continue to do so, as I'm convinced he's going nowhere. He won't get a transfer budget other than money generated through sales and  money saved on salaries for players leaving and not replaced, or replaced on less money, but I 'm convinced he'll be here next season and given until Christmas to turn it round.

I think there's a good chance he'll get at least until Christmas, especially if we beat Spurs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 01, 2012, 09:36:52 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/f7/fullj.ef097e67f7b78d87fe945b84dea883c7/ef097e67f7b78d87fe945b84dea883c7-getty-510566282.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 01, 2012, 09:48:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 01, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 01, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
the most devisive of appointments always had the potential to cause the club inestimable damage and it has, is, and will continue to do so, as I'm convinced he's going nowhere. He won't get a transfer budget other than money generated through sales and  money saved on salaries for players leaving and not replaced, or replaced on less money, but I 'm convinced he'll be here next season and given until Christmas to turn it round.

I think there's a good chance he'll get at least until Christmas, especially if we beat Spurs.

Being realisitc though, there aren't too many to raise the kind of funds that we may need to make a difference?  Bent, Gabby, Clark might fetch a few quid but the rest are worth shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 01, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 01, 2012, 09:48:15 PM

Being realisitc though, there aren't too many to raise the kind of funds that we may need to make a difference?  Bent, Gabby, Clark might fetch a few quid but the rest are worth shit.

Sad but true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 01, 2012, 11:48:43 PM
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
He's Wolves bound... to be sure.

I do think its a bonus that albion and wolves have not got a manager at the moment ,  he might think , get out of here and get to the dog heads quick , the Wolves chairmen might love Fergie .  But I honesty think McLeish should go to Coventry .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 02, 2012, 12:09:11 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 01, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
the most devisive of appointments always had the potential to cause the club inestimable damage and it has, is, and will continue to do so, as I'm convinced he's going nowhere. He won't get a transfer budget other than money generated through sales and  money saved on salaries for players leaving and not replaced, or replaced on less money, but I 'm convinced he'll be here next season and given until Christmas to turn it round.
OK, the board have got to weigh up the damage of a 4th managerial appointment in 3 years against the damage of keeping a bloke on who has virtually no support from the fanbase. If money or the lack of it is the driving factor then they will stay with Mcleish because any new appointee will know he is on a hiding to nothing without serious investment in the team/squad. No up and coming manager will risk his reputation on the basket case that a cash starved Villa represents.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 02, 2012, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 02, 2012, 12:09:11 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 01, 2012, 09:09:43 PM
the most devisive of appointments always had the potential to cause the club inestimable damage and it has, is, and will continue to do so, as I'm convinced he's going nowhere. He won't get a transfer budget other than money generated through sales and  money saved on salaries for players leaving and not replaced, or replaced on less money, but I 'm convinced he'll be here next season and given until Christmas to turn it round.
OK, the board have got to weigh up the damage of a 4th managerial appointment in 3 years against the damage of keeping a bloke on who has virtually no support from the fanbase. If money or the lack of it is the driving factor then they will stay with Mcleish because any new appointee will know he is on a hiding to nothing without serious investment in the team/squad. No up and coming manager will risk his reputation on the basket case that a cash starved Villa represents.


spot on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 02, 2012, 01:44:38 AM
They’d be mad to give him to Christmas (at least) as this will mean they’ve missed the chance to get reasonable ST sales .  Furthermore, If they planned it right then there is the chance to appoint a decent manager this summer.  This chance/probability is much smaller during the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on May 02, 2012, 07:21:54 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 01, 2012, 06:52:48 PM
Keeping him would be idiocy on an unprecedented scale.

Wasn't employing him in the first place idiocy on an Unprecedented scale?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 08:11:25 AM
It feels a bit like a boxing match, and I fear that we will let him off the ropes through thinking the job is done. We are realistically safe, this weekend the fans need to ram the message home. He cannot stay next season, it would be farcical.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sid1964 on May 02, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
Agree totally, if we let him off the hook now, they may just keep him in charge!!

We need to keep the pressure on him, every time he stands on that touch line we need to let him know that he is not wanted at our club!!

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 02, 2012, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 01, 2012, 09:23:02 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 01, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: john e on May 01, 2012, 08:37:03 PM
i've only got one Baggie friend down here, he's just posted on FB about how he's shitting bricks because they have lost Hodgson and are now linked with Mcleish,
 evidently this potential nightmare is on there forums, obviously nightmare for them more of a wet dream for us

It won't happen, but please God let it.


here here

Still confident he's leaving John?



definitely going,  100%
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 08:11:25 AM
It feels a bit like a boxing match, and I fear that we will let him off the ropes through thinking the job is done. We are realistically safe, this weekend the fans need to ram the message home. He cannot stay next season, it would be farcical.


Exactly he absolutely 100% must go, there are no ifs, buts or maybes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 02, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 02, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 08:11:25 AM
It feels a bit like a boxing match, and I fear that we will let him off the ropes through thinking the job is done. We are realistically safe, this weekend the fans need to ram the message home. He cannot stay next season, it would be farcical.


Exactly he absolutely 100% must go, there are no ifs, buts or maybes.

Agree.
Tactically, he's a complete fuckwit.
We can't put up with another season of sub Allardyce football.
The man is a nightmare and he's way, way out of his depth at a club like Villa.

Piss off to the Ricoh Arena.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 09:17:23 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 02, 2012, 08:54:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 08:11:25 AM
It feels a bit like a boxing match, and I fear that we will let him off the ropes through thinking the job is done. We are realistically safe, this weekend the fans need to ram the message home. He cannot stay next season, it would be farcical.


Exactly he absolutely 100% must go, there are no ifs, buts or maybes.

Agree.
Tactically, he's a complete fuckwit.
We can't put up with another season of sub Allardyce football.
The man is a nightmare and he's way, way out of his depth at a club like Villa.

Piss off to the Ricoh Arena.


Additionally if the board allowed him to stay, the black cloud that now hovers above the club would start to tip down with rain. The spirit and hope has been sucked out of the club at the moment and I genuinely think the only way to start lifting the gloom is a positive managerial appointment. If we keep Mcleish we'll go down next year and in a dull and pathetic manner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
As the Express and Star has said this week, a bloke who cannot come out of the dugout because of the reaction he thinks he will get from his own fans is admitting he is unable to carry out all of his duties. His position is untenable and I think he realises that as much as anyone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.

Win the next two games and it will be nailed on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 02, 2012, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.

Win the next two games and it will be nailed on.

You could see it couldn't you?

Say, a convincing 2-0 win against a strong Spurs side, followed by a competent 2-1 win at Norwich.

Knowing the notorious fly like memories of supporters, opinion may swing back in his favour.

Oh hell.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: midnite on May 02, 2012, 09:41:02 AM
4 goals in two games? Cant see that happening.
Win two games back to back? Can't see that happening either.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 09:47:53 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.

Win the next two games and it will be nailed on.

You could see it couldn't you?

Say, a convincing 2-0 win against a strong Spurs side, followed by a competent 2-1 win at Norwich.

Knowing the notorious fly like memories of supporters, opinion may swing back in his favour.

Oh hell.

I can't see it - either the two wins or the fans relenting if he gets them!

You could feel it during the Bolton game.  He's lost just about all the fans and he isn't getting them back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.

I haven't got to this point yet, but it's almost like it'd be better for QPR to lose their next 2 games(thus we're safe) and us to lose 3-0 to Spurs and not win at Norwich. I hate starting to feel like that, and I'm not there yet but I am that desperate for him to go so that we actually have a brighter future.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
We won't be keeping McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.

I can see where you're coming from on that.

The question is as what point does Randy think what's being built isn't fit for purpose and go back to the drawing board?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 02, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.
Nearly relegating a club,losing millions and alienating all it's fans is not providing stability.If they keep him it will because they won't have a clue what to do otherwise
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.


True , but 23,000 bums on seats next season might change his mind .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:37:47 AM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 02, 2012, 09:25:08 AM
I've still got a slight, horrible feeling that they'll retain him.
It makes me sick to the pit of my stomach that it could happen.

Win the next two games and it will be nailed on.

You could see it couldn't you?

Say, a convincing 2-0 win against a strong Spurs side, followed by a competent 2-1 win at Norwich.

Knowing the notorious fly like memories of supporters, opinion may swing back in his favour.

Oh hell.

Not sure what's going to happen over the next two games, but I'd say it's unlikely we'll suddenly win two on the bounce - for the first time this season. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on May 02, 2012, 10:22:40 AM
He's gone in the summer, absolutely no doubt about it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 02, 2012, 10:24:11 AM
You never know with Lerner.  It looked like they were going to give it to Kevin MacDonald on the back of one win against West Ham, then promptly changed their minds when we got thumped at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 10:24:11 AM
You never know with Lerner.  It looked like they were going to give it to Kevin MacDonald on the back of one win against West Ham, then promptly changed their minds when we got thumped at Newcastle.

To be fair to them, I was all for K-Mac after that West Ham game and then changed my mind after Newcastle!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 10:31:51 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 10:24:11 AM
You never know with Lerner.  It looked like they were going to give it to Kevin MacDonald on the back of one win against West Ham, then promptly changed their minds when we got thumped at Newcastle.

The Newcastle game certainly didn't help (though looking back, that had far more to do with the Dunner being way off the pace, a relative novice alongside him and Friedel showing his age).

I'd say it was our early exit from Europe that sealed it though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 02, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on May 02, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.

I don't for one minute this McL isn't bothered if we stay up or not. Even if he is off his CV will look worse if we go down. You need to separate a guy's ability from his attitude. He does care I'm convinced of it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 02, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
One from the pub last night.........."McLeish is to football what King Herod was to babysitting."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 02, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

We'd have lost 6-1?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 02, 2012, 11:35:04 AM
I would be very surprised if Mcleish gets another premiership job after he leaves us.  I think he should ply his trade either abroad so he can learn new tactics, style of play etc or just manage teams in the championship.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 02, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 02, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2012, 10:42:21 AM
I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.

I don't for one minute this McL isn't bothered if we stay up or not. Even if he is off his CV will look worse if we go down. You need to separate a guy's ability from his attitude. He does care I'm convinced of it.

Echo that. Like disgruntled players who suddenly find form at the end of a season, managers have to prove their worth to future employers.

That said, I still think talk of his departure are a little premature.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 02, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
Quote
I'd say it was our early exit from Europe that sealed it though.

That was one grim night. I remember thinking we looked like a club in decline that night. But consoled myself that I was probably wrong and Lerner was going to pull something big out of the bag again. That night we went out of Europe seemed to signal the road that has led us to where we are now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 02, 2012, 11:48:22 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

Why didn't Barr.............

Oops, wrong season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 02, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 02, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 02, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

We'd have lost 6-1?

"Goals change games."
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 02, 2012, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to
do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.


True , but 23,000 bums on seats next season might change his mind .

If the Manager does go, will we see the return of 6000 people who, seemingly, won't go while he is there, or will they find another excuse?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 02, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2012, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.

I've said before, the tabloids can publish my picture and hold me personally responsible, so long as he's not at the club I really don't care what the reasons given for his departure are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: itbrvilla on May 02, 2012, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 01:42:21 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 02, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to
do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.

True , but 23,000 bums on seats next season might change his mind .

If the Manager does go, will we see the return of 6000 people who, seemingly, won't go while he is there, or will they find another excuse?
If it was at least entertaining and value for money I'd go much more often.  But unfortunately its far from either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 02, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 02, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.

That's fine they can believe and print what they want, as long as Mcleish is out of this club by the end of May.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 02, 2012, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: Richard E on May 02, 2012, 09:18:16 AM
As the Express and Star has said this week, a bloke who cannot come out of the dugout because of the reaction he thinks he will get from his own fans is admitting he is unable to carry out all of his duties. His position is untenable and I think he realises that as much as anyone.
I think, considering what happened at the end of the Bolton game and what was threatened, by all and sundry, for the Albion game, that he was best keeping a low profile. He did not want a bad atmosphere to upset the team's performance and that was absolutely critical considering our position.
McLeish did come out of the dugout a couple of times during the game. Anyway, since when have we taken any notice of that shit-stirring rag?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

If he was acting in the best interests of the club he'd resign, genuinely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 02, 2012, 07:03:15 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM


Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour?
No . I can't get passed how crap he is to notice his sense of humour,dry or not. I literally cringe every time he opens his mouth
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.


True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 02, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.


True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.
Thank you for your reasoned response. I'm prepared to give him more time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 07:21:16 PM
I'm amazed that anyone would be prepared to give him more time. He has proved himself to be incompetent and clueless on and off the pitch. What do you think that he will achieve with 'more time'?

That's a genuine question btw, not looking for a fight just interested in the answer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 02, 2012, 07:22:10 PM
How much time does he need?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 07:30:27 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 02, 2012, 07:22:10 PM
How much time does he need?

Time should be well and truly up, it should have been weeks ago. He has consistently failed this season and won't ever work at Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 07:32:44 PM
I'm prepared to give him more time as well.

A week on Sunday should suffice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
I agree with you guys, but I believe that DCF has met the man recently and I'm interested in 'why' he is prepared to give him more time and what he believes that the outcome of doing so would be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 02, 2012, 07:37:54 PM
I think he should be given time to...................................pack his bags and clear off !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 02, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
I'd probably go with a dry sense of humour if I was pocketing the best part of £2m per year from an organisation I was helping to run into the ground.

I think that running around in circles, naked, banging a biscuit tin lid on my head while listening to Agadoo at full-blast and screaming "I can't believe they're still letting me do this! Hahahahahaha! How the hell am I getting away with this?!" would feel a little ungracious. Yep, stick to the understated drollery, Eck.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 02, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
I agree with you guys, but I believe that DCF has met the man recently and I'm interested in 'why' he is prepared to give him more time and what he believes that the outcome of doing so would be.

Dave did indeed meet him recently at the awards dinner i believe, then came on here the following morning telling us all that he'd spoken to him and was now looking forward to the game on Sunday. It was all a bit cryptic and maybe written in an attempt to get people asking what was said, what do you know blah blah blah.

To an extent it worked but it was all a bit pointless and the kind of thing you'd read on Twitter.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 02, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.


True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.
Thank you for your reasoned response. I'm prepared to give him more time.

Must have been a good night the other night.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 02, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.


True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.
Thank you for your reasoned response. I'm prepared to give him more time.
How much more and what would you want to see improve and what would make you want him removed from his post?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on May 02, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
I'm also prepared to give him more time.




Ok time up, McLeish out!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 02, 2012, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.


True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.
Thank you for your reasoned response. I'm prepared to give him more time.

Must have been a good night the other night.

That's what I was thinking. Give him more time and eventually he'll relegate us. Get him out as soon as we're safe. He's been an absolute disaster.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2012, 08:05:41 PM
DCF: I respect your judgement but, for me, the stats make such horrible reading that I can't countenance another season like this one.

And, like Ozzjim but for different reasons, I too forsook a ST this season. I would return to B6 next season  for a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
The thing is and it's clear from my posts of late that I want Mcleish gone as soon as possible and think it should have been done some weeks ago. However initially I wanted to give him a chance, and defended him earlier in the season. The reality is though we have got progressively worse in terms of style and results, with nothing to suggest he would ever turn it around. He simply has done a dreadful job, and were it at any other club he would have been sacked a couple of months ago I expect(possibly with the exception of Blackburn).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
What did McLeish actually say to DCF?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
What did McLeish actually say to DCF?

bought him a pint.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 02, 2012, 08:15:04 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 04:59:55 PM

I think, considering what happened at the end of the Bolton game and what was threatened, by all and sundry, for the Albion game, that he was best keeping a low profile. He did not want a bad atmosphere to upset the team's performance and that was absolutely critical considering our position.

What a guy!

Let's keep him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 02, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
I keep saying I'll not go again whilst McLeish is there and then go hoping its all going to change, then finish the game shouting for him to go.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 02, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
If Grant is here next season I will be fucked off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 10:38:46 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 02, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
If Grant is here next season I will be fucked off.

You don't think they'd get rid of McLeech and give it to him do you? Then again with our board .... shit no, surely!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: steffo on May 02, 2012, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 07:15:45 PM

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

Not only could i recognise every Villa player, I could advise AMC to play them in the correct position


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on May 02, 2012, 10:58:48 PM
It may all come down to how low Lerner is willing to see the crowd numbers go and how much season ticket money he is prepared to lose. I would be interested to know if Randy has learned anything from the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fasth56 on May 02, 2012, 11:08:15 PM
I'm sure I will be corrected if this is bollocks... talking to my son, who hasn't had a season ticket since the Moscow debacle, he said that we had only sold 4,000 season tickets upto a couple of weeks ago and Mcleish would be gone in the summer because of it. Don't shoot the messenger I don't know where the info came from.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 02, 2012, 11:08:44 PM
For a guy called Lerner, you'd think he'd actually, well, learn wouldn't you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 02, 2012, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
What did McLeish actually say to DCF?

bought him a pint.
Not on this occasion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 03, 2012, 03:11:59 AM
I don't think McLeish is going anywhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 03, 2012, 03:47:41 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.
Ask Randy and Paul the same question and you would probably get the same reply.They know fuck all about managers so why would they know anything about players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 03, 2012, 04:07:57 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 02, 2012, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 02, 2012, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2012, 08:09:32 PM
What did McLeish actually say to DCF?

bought him a pint.
Not on this occasion.
well...he is Scottish...!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 08:06:26 AM
He is warbling about how we have missed Stan this morning. Of course we have missed Stan, and Bent. BUT he had them both for 25 plus premier league games this season, and only managed a point a game with them in the side. Rolling out the constant excuse of not having these people is so bloody annoying when it is being used to cover up how shit he was when he had them available!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 03, 2012, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 08:06:26 AM
He is warbling about how we have missed Stan this morning. Of course we have missed Stan, and Bent. BUT he had them both for 25 plus premier league games this season, and only managed a point a game with them in the side. Rolling out the constant excuse of not having these people is so bloody annoying when it is being used to cover up how shit he was when he had them available!

This. He can moan all he likes about injuries but when you think back to games like Swansea away when he played Heskey as a midfielder, he can't really have any excuses.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 03, 2012, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 02, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
I agree with you guys, but I believe that DCF has met the man recently and I'm interested in 'why' he is prepared to give him more time and what he believes that the outcome of doing so would be.

Dave did indeed meet him recently at the awards dinner i believe, then came on here the following morning telling us all that he'd spoken to him and was now looking forward to the game on Sunday.

The thing is Mcleish has a history of 'talking' a good game.  He certainly charmed Randy Lerner, as we all know, and he did the same to a group of Villa supporters over the summer with his talk of attacking wingers and overlapping fullbacks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 03, 2012, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 02, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
I agree with you guys, but I believe that DCF has met the man recently and I'm interested in 'why' he is prepared to give him more time and what he believes that the outcome of doing so would be.

Dave did indeed meet him recently at the awards dinner i believe, then came on here the following morning telling us all that he'd spoken to him and was now looking forward to the game on Sunday.

The thing is Mcleish has a history of 'talking' a good game.  He certainly charmed Randy Lerner, as we all know, and he did the same to a group of Villa supporters over the summer with his talk of attacking wingers and overlapping fullbacks.

Yes, he lied through his teeth about how he was going to set us up to be more attacking.
The simple truth is that he is totally and utterly incapable of setting up teams in a positive way.
He had a one hit wonder season of 9th with The Blues playing backs to the wall football, he seems to think this trick can be repeated.

Be off with you, you excuse ridden ashtray on a motorbike, and take your bore draw brand of 'football' with you.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 10:33:22 AM
The simple truth is that he is totally and utterly incapable of setting up teams in a positive way.
He had a one hit wonder season of 9th with The Blues playing backs to the wall football, he seems to think this trick can be repeated.

Be off with you, you excuse ridden ashtray on a motorbike, and take your bore draw brand of 'football' with you.

edit - broken link
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 10:33:22 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 03, 2012, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 02, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: James on May 02, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
I agree with you guys, but I believe that DCF has met the man recently and I'm interested in 'why' he is prepared to give him more time and what he believes that the outcome of doing so would be.

Dave did indeed meet him recently at the awards dinner i believe, then came on here the following morning telling us all that he'd spoken to him and was now looking forward to the game on Sunday.

The thing is Mcleish has a history of 'talking' a good game.  He certainly charmed Randy Lerner, as we all know, and he did the same to a group of Villa supporters over the summer with his talk of attacking wingers and overlapping fullbacks.

Yes, he lied through his teeth about how he was going to set us up to be more attacking.
The simple truth is that he is totally and utterly incapable of setting up teams in a positive way.
He had a one hit wonder season of 9th with The Blues playing backs to the wall football, he seems to think this trick can be repeated.

Be off with you, you excuse ridden ashtray on a motorbike, and take your bore draw brand of 'football' with you.


Sums it up nicely for me. Jog on Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 03, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
More time..... I think those on here who called for McLeish to be judged after a full season were being perfectly fair to say that; we're just about there now and I don't see anything from the manager to deserve a second season. The current campaign has been almost as bad as it can possibly get, and I don't really see any signs of encouragement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 03, 2012, 11:16:23 AM
Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
More time..... I think those on here who called for McLeish to be judged after a full season were being perfectly fair to say that; we're just about there now and I don't see anything from the manager to deserve a second season. The current campaign has been almost as bad as it can possibly get, and I don't really see any signs of encouragement.


i think if we had gone the whole season with a guest manager every week (like have i got news for you )
we wouldnt have done any worse
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 11:17:55 AM
Yep he's had plenty of time and has shown no signs of progression, in fact it's more like regression. He has done a terrible job, and he can blame injuries all he wants but as Ozz says he had hardly any injuries for two thirds of the season and made awful selections with no tactical clue. He has no excuses, he has been dreadful. If the board have any idea what they're doing, they'll admit a mistake was made and get rid immeadiately.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
In normal circumstances you'd have no need to mither as you would be assured that the people in charge would pull the trigger at the seasons end, but you just never know with this lot.
If they're fuckwitted enough to take him on, they might just be stupid enough to give him another season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: markus209 on May 03, 2012, 11:27:17 AM
I can't see him being here next season. Am I right in thinking that Randy Lerner attended the game against Bolton? He'd have witnessed for himself the masses of empty seats and the foul atmosphere about the place by the final whistle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 11:32:48 AM
Imagine what it will be like if we are a couple down to Spurs this weekend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 11:32:48 AM
Imagine what it will be like if we are a couple down to Spurs this weekend.

I was thinking this, if we're a couple down at half time it's going to get ugly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 03, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
And to give him a 3 year contract to boot. The ultimate in fuckwittedness Any normal chairman would have given him a year. Mind you any normal chairman wouldn't have employed him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
Any normal chairman would certainly have put in a break clause for a certain number of points, so it is somewhat performance related. In such a results, and statistically easy to analyse business, it amazes me that there is not much more performance related contract style negotiating with both players and managers, that gives the clubs an out from this frankly insane system where people are walking away with millions and millions for doing a very poor job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 03, 2012, 12:12:04 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
More time..... I think those on here who called for McLeish to be judged after a full season were being perfectly fair to say that; we're just about there now and I don't see anything from the manager to deserve a second season. The current campaign has been almost as bad as it can possibly get, and I don't really see any signs of encouragement.

He was sh*t before he came here, he is just a poor manager. But we employed him, gave him a chance and guess what, he IS sh*t. Only 1 point down on our total so far and we would be going down, goal diff will keep us up. Poor state of affairs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 03, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 03, 2012, 11:17:55 AM
Yep he's had plenty of time and has shown no signs of progression, in fact it's more like regression.

I think he may have genuinely set out to be more positive this season.  The problem is:

1) If there is any kind of setback, like injuries or suspensions
2) If his team are playing someone very high in the league, or bang in form, or both
3) If there is any pressure on him or the team, like after a poor result or a run of them

These are the points where he will revert to type, and we'll see the negativity come out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1730/dull.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/dull.jpg/)

From Statto.com

It just perfectly encapsulates McLeish's approach to football.
 
Even this from the year Blues finished 9th:
The only Premier League team that season not to win a game by more than a one goal margin.
 
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4893/duller.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/502/duller.jpg/)
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 03, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
In normal circumstances you'd have no need to mither as you would be assured that the people in charge would pull the trigger at the seasons end, but you just never know with this lot.
If they're fuckwitted enough to take him on, they might just be stupid enough to give him another season.

I agree. I'm certainly far from confident he'll be leaving in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 03, 2012, 12:34:57 PM
I have found him pretty anonymous. Yes he had the private meetings with a few fans in the Summer and said the right things. We had that nice e-mail promising us everything would be fine and dandy and now look where that has got us. Mutiny in the stands and a very poor team. McLeish has not interacted with the fanbase as far as I am aware. Yes he does the odd inetrview but I thought he was a workacholic - first one at Bodymoor and last to leave. If he had come out and met the fans more he might have gained a bit more respect but has just stayed in his cocoon and blamed everyone and everything apart from himself.

I want somebody to own the footballing side of the club from top to bottom. To nurture the youngsters and build on the great foundations that our coaches there are laying down. To have a first team squad that will run through brick walls for the manager and the club and also appreciate the support the fans give them. The players, coaches, staff and fans should be a one team taking the club in the right direction. There will be ups and downs but if we can all see light at the end of the tunnel we can get there.

Anyway, where are my pills?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 01:08:25 PM
If he doesn't go then the board fully deserve the hell that will be next season. Unfortunately the fans don't deserve that, but the board are simply clueless. They can look forward to very very low crowds, horrendous football and most likely relegation. We will go nowhere but down with this manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

That doesn't surprise me.  Oh well, on Lerner's head be it.  I think he's going to rip off his Randy Lerner mask soon with a booming MAHAHAHAHAHA, and it'll be David Gold underneath.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 03, 2012, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere
Yep that's right Mcleish is going nowhere with this club
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
I was sure about a week ago he would be gone, there was too much animosity for him to last, and the press were right on his back. Since it seems to have slowly wormed back to him staying somehow. If he does, then from minute 1 as soon as we go behind in a game he is going to get it, which is no good for the club at all. He should be a man and admit he is not up to it at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 01:18:47 PM
I was sure about a week ago he would be gone, there was too much animosity for him to last, and the press were right on his back. Since it seems to have slowly wormed back to him staying somehow. If he does, then from minute 1 as soon as we go behind in a game he is going to get it, which is no good for the club at all. He should be a man and admit he is not up to it at all.

This is it, it's gone too far now. Any time we are losing the crowd will turn and the board would be much better to realise they've made a dreadful mistake. I almost guarantee keeping him will cost them more money in the long run than sacking him and paying him off now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 03, 2012, 12:34:57 PM
Yes he does the odd inetrview but I thought he was a workacholic 
He is.
He's working night and day to try and get us relegated.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?
I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 03, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

And your source is....?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:40:58 PM
I can see him sorting the wage bill, just by getting rid of the highly paid chaff, and continuing work on the youngsters.  And the entertainment will improve just because this year has been so bloody sapping.  I dont think even Megson could make us less enjoyable to watch than some of the games we have sat through this year.  I do think though that we have a good young nucleus coming through and our league position will improve without big investment.  Hard working, skilful players.  Not top six or eight, but mid table, which is something to think about in one of the toughest leagues in the world.  If investment is available and shrewdly spent, a Newcastle/Everton like result is possible.  I really dont know if McLeish is the man to deliver, too quick to revert to not losing, and not letting the leash go has cost us.  If he can do this then maybe he does have a future.  But to keep defaulting to sitting back is disappointing.  We are Villa.  People should be worried about coming to us.  We are tougher to beat overall than last year, but we dont cause enough problems at the other end.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 03, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere


piss all you like mate,   you are wrong and you will be proved to be wrong
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?
I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.

Correct the first if maybe within his remit, although it's largely out of his control and dependant on the board. However the other two 'ifs' are completely beyond him, he won't get us midtable and there is no chance he will ever get a team playing entertaining football. Therefore his time is up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 03, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
Maybe if he was a bit more of a bastard the results might be better?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: richard moore on May 03, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 03, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.


maybe we could find him a job better suited to his talents then ?

  corporate entertainment or stadium tours or maybe heading up a  meet and greet team at the club shop
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 03, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 03, 2012, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?
I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.

Correct the first if maybe within his remit, although it's largely out of his control and dependant on the board. However the other two 'ifs' are completely beyond him, he won't get us midtable and there is no chance he will ever get a team playing entertaining football. Therefore his time is up.

I can see a midtable finish if he can sort the defence out, but it will be by his usual safety first brand of football.  The problem with that is he needs much more than midtable to win the fans back and unless it's also more entertaining, then some will focus on that more than results anyway.

Which is why it's best for all concerned that he goes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
I'm going to piss on everyones chipps and steal the jam out of their doughnuts by saying I have heard 100% nailed on nothing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.

Id like to see Hutton run rings round anyone
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 03, 2012, 02:46:59 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.

Id like to see Hutton run rings round anyone

Yes that works, a popular boss but cr*p at his job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
In a mere 371 pages McLeish has gone from a Antichrist/Hitler esque bloke to David Brent.  Im almost feeling sorry for him now! 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 03, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 03, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 03, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.

TV did Kendrick indicate he thinks that Mcleish will be gone? I hope so, but I must have missed it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Colhint on May 03, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
I'm going to piss on everyones chipps and steal the jam out of their doughnuts by saying I have heard 100% nailed on nothing.

yeah I heard that too, off a reliable ITK. its all over twitter
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 03, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 03, 2012, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 03, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?
I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.

Correct the first if maybe within his remit, although it's largely out of his control and dependant on the board. However the other two 'ifs' are completely beyond him, he won't get us midtable and there is no chance he will ever get a team playing entertaining football. Therefore his time is up.

I can see a midtable finish if he can sort the defence out, but it will be by his usual safety first brand of football.  The problem with that is he needs much more than midtable to win the fans back and unless it's also more entertaining, then some will focus on that more than results anyway.

Which is why it's best for all concerned that he goes.

Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 03, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 03, 2012, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 03, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 03, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.

TV did Kendrick indicate he thinks that Mcleish will be gone? I hope so, but I must have missed it!
His recent messages are pretty sure that AM will not be here next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 03, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.

I see what you're getting at, but in my opinion the philosophy is totally flawed.   I don't think it's any coincidence that the better teams score more and concede less - i.e. excel at both aspects on the game.  I haven't done the analysis but you the current table looks more highly correlated to goals scored than goals conceded - i.e. the more goals you score the higher you finish.

Putting all your eggs in one footballing basket is such a dangerous strategy; going out for a 1-0 makes you very vulnerable.  Unless you have a defence that is vastly superior to the opposition's attacking threat (e.g. Arsenal under George Graham) there is always a chance you'll concede and then you're fucked.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 03, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
I'll believe nothing unless general internet chatter confirms it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
Quote from: moetvillain on May 03, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
In a mere 371 pages McLeish has gone from a Antichrist/Hitler esque bloke to David Brent.  Im almost feeling sorry for him now! 

'Does a struggling salesman start turning up on a bicycle? No, he turns up in a newer car - perception, yeah? They've got to trust me - I'm taking these guys into battle, yeah? And I'm doing my own stapling.'
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 03, 2012, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 03, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.

I see what you're getting at, but in my opinion the philosophy is totally flawed.   I don't think it's any coincidence that the better teams score more and concede less - i.e. excel at both aspects on the game.  I haven't done the analysis but you the current table looks more highly correlated to goals scored than goals conceded - i.e. the more goals you score the higher you finish.

Putting all your eggs in one footballing basket is such a dangerous strategy; going out for a 1-0 makes you very vulnerable.  Unless you have a defence that is vastly superior to the opposition's attacking threat (e.g. Arsenal under George Graham) there is always a chance you'll concede and then you're fucked.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we SHOULD be looking to play this way, just offering a possible blueprint as to how an AM side might fair better and possibly his actual plan for us.  Funny you should mention George Graham's Arsenal as that's the example I've used in the past for expressing what I was expecting from him at Villa, just without the trophies, of course!

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Look i want rid of AM as much as most, but like everyone else I can't just repeat that mantra constantly to myself in the hope he'll go away. All i'm doing, as a fellow fan, is passing on the information that was given to be by the same guy that I mentioned a few posts ago. He has been in PF's company again very recently (in a business environment) and was told unequivocally that AM's staying. Its got nothing to do with how much i post or don't post. That's what i  was told; obviously it could be corporate PR spin, it  wasn't a one to one conversation, others were present, and everone is going to say, 'well , he's hardly going to say otherwise is he?' but the line from VP is, and has always been,  according to my guy, that AM will be given a fair chance. It pisses me off no end, but I reealy can see him being here for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:55:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 03, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: pestria on May 03, 2012, 03:00:24 PM
Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

Quote from: Merv on May 03, 2012, 03:04:29 PM
I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.

I think you'll find we're saying the same thing here, John. McLeish's best PL performance came when his team were very good defensively, and that's the way he builds his teams. But I agree with Pestria - it's a risky strategy to almost overlook your own offensive options, and it's hard to keep clean sheets. Clinging on for 1-0 wins is difficult. It's what we've tried to do for much of the season, and failed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 03, 2012, 04:07:05 PM
Well if PF thinks him staying is good Business sense then good luck with that ..as for fair chance.Seriously Villa are exactly where Blues were last season completely different squads but same manager same performances.The fans ,non-villa fans and the media can all see it you'd think PF and Randy would wake the hell up and see it too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 03, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 03, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
I'll believe nothing unless general internet chatter confirms it.

I wouldn't believe what the general says!  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
If PF recommends his chum stays in a job to Lerner this summer, he is even more clueless on the football side than we knew he was. If Lerner must employ this completely inept excuse of a CEO, then keep him commercial. The football side needs someone with half a brain, something PF has clearly got issues with. Keeping McLeish would be the 2nd most stupid thing done in the premier league this season. The first was appointing him in the first place.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
The only good thing about keeping McLeish is that it will confirm once and for all that Lerner is clinically insane, and we can have him sectioned. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 03, 2012, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 03, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
The only good thing about keeping McLeish is that it will confirm once and for all that Lerner is clinically insane, and we can have him sectioned. 
I was wondering if they'd keep him on, as in their wibbly wobbly world they wouldn't want to be seen to be losing face, especially after all the guff about him being the right man for the job and that pitiful drivel about Ferguson's letter.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Lol... I think he takes a lot more advice from Faulkner than we credit at the moment. Lerner showed with O'Neill he puts his faith in people and I think he sees Faulkner in a similar way to a general manager at his NFL club. The only trouble is, Faulkner appears to be a berk.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 03, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Keeping McLeish would be the 2nd most stupid thing done in the premier league this season. The first was appointing him in the first place.

Sorry, but they still rank 2nd and 3rd behind paying £20m for Stewart Downing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 03, 2012, 04:57:42 PM
James Nursey twitted some villa fans earlier saying that all the noises and signals he is hearing from avfc still suggest AM will go in the summer.

I'll believe it when i see it as I have a feeling once the dust has settled IF we are safe, then the board will decide to keep him for next season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: berneboy on May 03, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
"Alex Trinity asked “Hi Matt, do you feel with your inside knowledge that there will be big changes come the summer.”


Mat Kendrick: Aex Trinity. I think there will be a change of manager and I think there could be several players coming and going. Hopefully it will lead to a change of fortunes on the pitch with fans able to look up rather than down the table. I don't think all of a sudden multi-millions will be made available for signings, however, because Villa are still battling to get back on a financial even keel"


Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/03/aston-villa-mat-kendrick-on-how-the-clubs-fortunes-can-change-97319-30895057/?#ixzz1tp4YA0ZV
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Look i want rid of AM as much as most, but like everyone else I can't just repeat that mantra constantly to myself in the hope he'll go away. All i'm doing, as a fellow fan, is passing on the information that was given to be by the same guy that I mentioned a few posts ago. He has been in PF's company again very recently (in a business environment) and was told unequivocally that AM's staying. Its got nothing to do with how much i post or don't post. That's what i  was told; obviously it could be corporate PR spin, it  wasn't a one to one conversation, others were present, and everone is going to say, 'well , he's hardly going to say otherwise is he?' but the line from VP is, and has always been,  according to my guy, that AM will be given a fair chance. It pisses me off no end, but I reealy can see him being here for the foreseeable.

With all due respect, you always get these kinds of stories. Faulkner hosts a business lunch etc, and then discloses essentially confidential information about the direction of the club to clients. If the club wanted to make that kind of statement it would have been done on the OS. Instead, what we got was as close to an indictment on the current campaign as you are going to get. That they are looking no further than the next three games. If they were going to back him unequivocally then they would have done so in the most public of forums. They could have easily said, that while it has been a difficult and disappointing season, that they signed the manager on a three year contract and will give him every opportunity to succeed. They didn't and went further to say how they shared in the pain of fellow Villa fans by stating that everyone at the club is "hurting badly".

I believe that they will look at the entire situation after the Norwich game. While there will no doubt be a part of them that will feel they want to give him a chance, they will look at the season, see what a disaster it was and that while they insitituted austerity measures, they never saw the worst PL performance in Villa history happening. Nor did they see the worst home record in over a century. They will also consider the fact that next season will likely be the worst season ticket renewal ever, and that the cost to the business of a lack of revenue (caused primarily by supporter disenchantment) versus the cost of change will sway their decision.

I'm not saying things aren't said in private settings but given the sensitivity of the current state of affairs I hardly think Faulkner's giving away the biggest story that concerns Villa fans today to a bunch of clients.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 03, 2012, 05:01:17 PM
We'll just have to wait and see. To me, it feels like he's lost too many of the fans - I want him gone, never wanted him here in the first place either, and this season has shown that everything we knew about him was true.

Whatever happens, at the end of the season the board have got some difficult questions to answer. If they want to continue hiding behind Alex McLeish then I'm convinced that we'll be relegated. We need to all be pulling in the same direction, the board can only ignore the fans for so long.

The one doubt I have is that it will cost a lot of money to lay him off, this was the boards fault for paying McLeish a ridiculous amount of money that does not reflect his abilities, but do they really want to take another hit on paying up a contract? I think they'll have to weigh it against diminishing crowds and poor team performance. The team feels very neglected at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: berneboy on May 03, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 03, 2012, 06:39:46 PM
Not far off a potted version of an article I have written for the next fanzine.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 03, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
And to give him a 3 year contract to boot. The ultimate in fuckwittedness Any normal chairman would have given him a year. Mind you any normal chairman wouldn't have employed him

What sort of long term planning is  giving a new manager one year?  I’m not justifying the selection of Mcleish but to say giving a new manger one year is normal is bonkers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2012, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 03, 2012, 04:58:18 PM
"Alex Trinity asked “Hi Matt, do you feel with your inside knowledge that there will be big changes come the summer.”


Mat Kendrick: Aex Trinity. I think there will be a change of manager and I think there could be several players coming and going. Hopefully it will lead to a change of fortunes on the pitch with fans able to look up rather than down the table. I don't think all of a sudden multi-millions will be made available for signings, however, because Villa are still battling to get back on a financial even keel"


Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/03/aston-villa-mat-kendrick-on-how-the-clubs-fortunes-can-change-97319-30895057/?#ixzz1tp4YA0ZV


More encouraging, I hope he's bang on. We need Mcleish out of the club badly. Any post season performance review will clearly show he has done a truly dreadful job in every possible way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 03, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
And to give him a 3 year contract to boot. The ultimate in fuckwittedness Any normal chairman would have given him a year. Mind you any normal chairman wouldn't have employed him

What sort of long term planning is  giving a new manager one year?  I’m not justifying the selection of Mcleish but to say giving a new manger one year is normal is bonkers.

I think a 2 year with a 12 month extension on the clubs side is reasonable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: nodge on May 03, 2012, 08:54:34 PM
Well PF the CEO and his PR about AM and the PL can GTF!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 03, 2012, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Look i want rid of AM as much as most, but like everyone else I can't just repeat that mantra constantly to myself in the hope he'll go away. All i'm doing, as a fellow fan, is passing on the information that was given to be by the same guy that I mentioned a few posts ago. He has been in PF's company again very recently (in a business environment) and was told unequivocally that AM's staying. Its got nothing to do with how much i post or don't post. That's what i  was told; obviously it could be corporate PR spin, it  wasn't a one to one conversation, others were present, and everone is going to say, 'well , he's hardly going to say otherwise is he?' but the line from VP is, and has always been,  according to my guy, that AM will be given a fair chance. It pisses me off no end, but I reealy can see him being here for the foreseeable.
When the truth needs telling, it has to be told.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 03, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 03, 2012, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 03, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Look i want rid of AM as much as most, but like everyone else I can't just repeat that mantra constantly to myself in the hope he'll go away. All i'm doing, as a fellow fan, is passing on the information that was given to be by the same guy that I mentioned a few posts ago. He has been in PF's company again very recently (in a business environment) and was told unequivocally that AM's staying. Its got nothing to do with how much i post or don't post. That's what i  was told; obviously it could be corporate PR spin, it  wasn't a one to one conversation, others were present, and everone is going to say, 'well , he's hardly going to say otherwise is he?' but the line from VP is, and has always been,  according to my guy, that AM will be given a fair chance. It pisses me off no end, but I reealy can see him being here for the foreseeable.
When the truth needs telling, it has to be told.
The more I think about it its PF who should be getting the abuse.The man is a shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 04, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 03, 2012, 07:36:42 PM


What sort of long term planning is  giving a new manager one year?  I’m not justifying the selection of Mcleish but to say giving a new manger one year is normal is bonkers.

 
A one year rolling contract was what I meant
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on May 04, 2012, 01:41:03 AM
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2138920/Alex-McLeish-Aston-Villa-want-bums-seats.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)


No more Mr Nice Guy if Villa want bums on seats

By Neil Moxley

Quote
Managers pass before sports reporters with increasing regularity these days.

For instance, the shelf-life of a Championship boss was, at the last time of looking, around 13 months.

As a hack, it doesn't give you much time to forge a relationship, but you try your best.

And we see all sorts pass before us.

The good, bad and ugly.

Obviously, given time, alliances are formed. Friendships, even, in many cases.

On a personal level, I have to say that I've enjoyed working with Alex McLeish.

It's over four-and-a-half years since he arrived from Scotland. During that time he has proved himself to be one of the good guys.

Ask him for a favour and it was done.

For me, that request was for McLeish to phone a friend of mine who was battling bowel cancer, to give him a gee up.

He took the number and made the call. No fuss. 'Nae bother,' as he said afterwards.
 

What's more, two months later, he even asked how my friend was getting on.

Touch of class, that.

There have been several occasions when he has demonstrated that in public.

I thought he handled the situation over Martin Taylor's tackle on Eduardo with grace in the face of severe provocation.

And, in difficult circumstances, he has tried to maintain an equilibrium this season.

McLeish has though, incredibly, united a divided football city in its' dislike for one individual. But I have to say he is a man with whom I'm sure most football supporters would happily share a pint.

However, reporters also have a responsibility to their readers who are, in many cases, football supporters too.

Having been present at Villa Park last week for the defeat against Bolton, I now think the relationship between the club and its fans has become one of total disconnect.

Much as it pains me to write, McLeish is pretty much the sole cause for that.

In 18 years of covering Villa, the only other occasion I'd known such a poisonous atmosphere at Villa Park was on the night of the Birmingham derby in March 2003.

That was for altogether darker reasons.

But the evidence of that schism between a club and its' fan-base - and it exists - will manifest itself in a drop in season-ticket sales, merchandising and a fall in sales of corporate seats.

That is what will happen this summer if nothing changes at Villa Park. The gap between the club and its supporters will widen against a continued backdrop of unrest.

Eighteen months ago, I penned a pretty vicious piece in which I suggested it was time for Gerard Houllier to be shown the door.

The disconnect then was between the manager and his players.

Eventually, it turned out okay. After the owner spent £24m - and safety was then only assured with two games of the season to go.

There is no doubt that Villa would have been in a far stickier spot had Randy Lerner not dug deep. Darren Bent's goal-return is evidence of that.

This time the disconnect is between the manager and the supporters.

They may not have grasped McLeish to their bosom. But they have given him a chance.

(I would hope that Villa fans ditch any pre-match protest against the manager for the good of the club this Sunday. By my reckoning they need one point to limp over the line. It would be nice if there was an air of positivity. Spurs are not exuding the same confidence they did back in November.)

All I would point out is that if he remains in place and if he is allowed to spend significant money in the transfer market this summer, what happens if Villa lose their opening two matches next season?

More howls from the Holte... and we would be on the way towards another 12 months of civil war. Opinions will become even more trenchant and the swathes of claret coloured seats will become more evident.

On the pitch, I cannot point towards much, if anything, that has improved over the past 12 months.

Several of the younger players have been given a chance, I suppose.

But exciting, edge-of-your seat football? Er, not at Villa Park, no. (Well, it will be edge-of-the-seat stuff for all the wrong reasons this weekend.)

The fact is, McLeish's appointment was flawed in its conception and its execution.

Despite the fact that Aston Villa seem determined to hand over as much money as possible to a succession of managers, they may need to find some more.

Because in the long-term paying that price is going to be damn sight cheaper than counting up the money and goodwill lost through the continued disaffection of the club's supporter-base.

And surely, surely, those in power can see that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 04, 2012, 04:59:24 AM
Wow, Moxley going against McLeish.. I almost can't believe it. At least he manned up to that Houllier Out article he wrote.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2012, 07:42:56 AM
Good article, sums up my feeling for AM, seems a decent enough bloke but he was wrong for the club then just as he is now. Oh, apart from the bit that last Tuesday was some sort of Brummie version of a Bosch painting, it wasn't that bad, an uncomfortable five minutes for McLeish but that's all. I was probably to blame for Moxley thinking that as I bellowed down his ear from behind the press box.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 04, 2012, 07:55:41 AM
Excellent article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 04, 2012, 07:58:50 AM
From Matthew Turvey of  the Express and Star.


Protest? Sadly they don’t care what we think
Friday 4th May 2012, 7:21AM BST.



Planned protests throw the spectre of an ugly game to come at the weekend.  Matthew Turvey asks if protests are productive, or merely a waste of time, energy, and anger.

With the last home game coming this weekend, much focus has turned to, and will continue to turn to, the future of Alex McLeish.

With Aston Villa offering a short and anodyne statement regarding the short term situation at the club, many people have tried reading into it to get some insight into what is going on.

Is Alex McLeish staying?  Is he going?  Is the statement meant to infer “Here’s only here till the end of the season” or “We are fully supporting the man in charge”?

The dreaded “vote of confidence” has usually pre-empted the sacking of manager who have suffered with poor form so, to that end, Villa fans looking for some belief that change is coming will be reading that.

However, that is the problem with any of these unclear statements – they get subjectively validated.  People will read what they want and be none the wiser.  The reality is that the only people who know definitively what is happening to McLeish is the board and, as we well know, they are far from communicative.

Their decision to not make a clear cut statement may come to backfire though as the Tottenham Hotspur promises, even if it doesn’t deliver, a toxic atmosphere. 

Many fans who I know personally have said they are going to leave their kids at home for the game, as they don’t want them exposed to what is being planned.

Such a statement may sound overly dramatic, but it is pretty clear that the residual tension and anger towards the former Birmingham boss has been percolating. 

Those who have sat back for the most part of the season have been quiet because they believed things would change, but the statement infers to them that McLeish may be going nowhere.  These people may well be patient, but such a statement, as subjective as their reading of it is, is acting like a straw that broke the camels back.

After all, there is a solid argument for why the team shouldn’t be disrupted at present with Villa’s confidence in a very fragile state.  However, if change doesn’t happen, many fans have serious concerns as to how the club may develop under another season of McLeish’s stewardship.

Maybe giving the man from Barrhead money will make next season better than this, if McLeish stays on, but few people want to even try that option even though, in reality, the control of our club, since it was delisted from the stock market, is very limited.

Sure, we can protest.  We can make a lot of noise and show, in no uncertain terms, that we are not happy with the manager.  We can do the same for the CEO and the owner if we like but, when it comes down to it, if a stubborn man wants to hold his nerve and is willing to live with the financial ramifications, there is nothing else that fans can do.

Yes, they can stop buying season tickets and, yes, this will have a financial impact on the revenue that Randy Lerner can realise for the club, both as its own entity or as a method of making money for the American dollar billionaire.

The reality is, as much as fans can be angry, that season ticket sales (and matchday revenue as a whole) comprises far less of a portion of revenue compared to days goneby.  In an era where corporate sponsorship is the new money maker, we’ve seen clubs like Manchester United put sponsors on their training kit.

That’s right.  Not on the shirts their players wear to play in the Premier League, but on the club’s training kit, and we are not talking about small sums either.

The same thing that made the Premier League one of the most exciting leagues in the world because of its ability to attract great players – money – is the same thing that is killing all of our collective passions. 

We have to consider that the game as we know it – the game we all own ever since our first time kicking a tin can in the street – is gone in real terms.  Sure, there are still 11 players playing against 11.  Goals still count for one point each, and there are still yellow and red cards.

In real terms, if you don’t care to look deeper, then you could fool yourself to think it is the same game you or I play on a Saturday and Sunday mornings in parks and fields up and down the country. 

You could think that the same honest, working man’s game is alive and kicking but, sadly, you’d be wrong.  It may look the same, it may well play the same (mostly), but it is a bastardised relation of that game, with money as the new God.

It isn’t the same game when massive players used to kick wingers in the air and get nothing more than a wagged finger.  It isn’t the same game where pitches resembled bogs and marshes, even at the very top level.

Some may laud the change as progress, as a stride forwards in quality and watchability, whilst others, dulled by their inability of their club to compete, have become bored with the new, castrated, non working-class sport.

But if clubs in the present climate take more notice of a corporate sponsor pulling their deal than what the fans think, can we really consider football our game any more?

Something to think about if the protests go ahead.  Shout louder if you want.  The sad reality is that Randy, in his stubbornness, probably doesn’t care what you think.  Well unless you’re the owner of Genting.

You’re not, are you?



Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/05/04/protest-sadly-they-dont-care-what-we-think/#ixzz1tsizVU66
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2012, 08:32:57 AM
If McLeish stays then Aston Villa Football Club, will not have a penny more out of me whilst he is in charge.

I will not renew my season ticket to watch that rubbish again next season!

If there is going to be some sort of protest  then, I think that on Sunday no matter what the score...in the 81st and 82nd minutes the crowd should tell Mcleish exactly what they think of him. (81 we won the league, 82 the European Cup).
We need to keep the pressure on him! and on Lerner and Faulkner and leave them in no doubt that we want this man out of our club!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 04, 2012, 08:34:20 AM
Moxley is the best of the nationals by some distance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 04, 2012, 08:46:44 AM
I think the only way forward for the Villa and to quell unrest, Paul Faulkner should announce that he has appointed Abu Hamza as Director of Football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 04, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
If he is staying, no way the club will come out and state out right that is what is happening, they will do what they do best - not say a word and bury their heads in the sand. Otherwise they know that there will more & bigger protests, discontent towards our Randy and his band of merry men.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 08:57:08 AM
Moxley's article is pretty much bang on, and exactly points out what will happen if he stays. He must go, nice man or not he is the wrong man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 04, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
"Nice man but wrong man"

I'm gonna make a banner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
Capello? I wonder?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:50:48 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
Capello? I wonder?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/
Wonder!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 04, 2012, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 04, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
"Nice man but wrong man"

I'm gonna make a banner.

How about "It's not you, it's me".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 04, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
Has anyone tried to do a petition - r.e. removal of mcleish from our club and send it into PF and co?

Tried protesting and other methods to no avail, do you think a petition would really prove the point that most dont want him?


P.S. Any one who calls into Talk sport as a villa fan, when quizzed is it because of hi villa connections... please state that ont he forums, supporters are on about going for Hughton, so it has nothing to do with Blues link...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 04, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
Petition! lol seems a very british thing to do!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 04, 2012, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 04, 2012, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 04, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
"Nice man but wrong man"

I'm gonna make a banner.

How about "It's not you, it's me".

Or even

Its not you, its everyone else
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 04, 2012, 10:32:37 AM
What an absolute balls Faulkner and Lerner have made of things for the past 24 months. We stood on the verge of greatness again and they took the wrong road at every single turn.

Wake up!!!Show some leadership and football nous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 04, 2012, 10:48:52 AM
Quote from: Express and Star on May 04, 2012, 07:58:50 AM
residual tension and anger towards the former Birmingham boss has been PERCOLATING.
You've gotta love journalists.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 04, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 04, 2012, 01:41:03 AM
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2138920/Alex-McLeish-Aston-Villa-want-bums-seats.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)


No more Mr Nice Guy if Villa want bums on seats

By Neil Moxley

Quote
Having been present at Villa Park last week for the defeat against Bolton, I now think the relationship between the club and its fans has become one of total disconnect.

Much as it pains me to write, McLeish is pretty much the sole cause for that.


Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 03, 2012, 11:27:50 PM
When the truth needs telling, it has to be told.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: prmort on May 04, 2012, 01:05:19 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 04, 2012, 10:31:30 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 04, 2012, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 04, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
"Nice man but wrong man"

I'm gonna make a banner.

How about "It's not you, it's me".

Or even

Its not you, its everyone else

How about.... "It is You, not everyone else"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 03, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go"

Oi! That's already been done :P
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on May 04, 2012, 08:32:57 AM
If McLeish stays then Aston Villa Football Club, will not have a penny more out of me whilst he is in charge.

I will not renew my season ticket to watch that rubbish again next season!

If there is going to be some sort of protest  then, I think that on Sunday no matter what the score...in the 81st and 82nd minutes the crowd should tell Mcleish exactly what they think of him. (81 we won the league, 82 the European Cup).
We need to keep the pressure on him! and on Lerner and Faulkner and leave them in no doubt that we want this man out of our club!

Fair enough for withholding your money, but what is all the other stuff about 81/82 minutes? Its a bit over-dramatic don't you think? If you want to let them know what you think then you've already explained the best way to do it - don't spend in merch and tickets. Wait until full time to give out the abuse if that's what you want to do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
Capello? I wonder?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

He's trying his arm for the Chelsea job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 04, 2012, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
Capello? I wonder?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

He's trying his arm for the Chelsea job.

I just heard the funniest thing.  I just got an e-mail from my brother who tells me a baggies fan at his work placee genuinely believes that they have a good chance of getting capello as their next manager!  LMAO!  Deluded twat
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sid1964 on May 04, 2012, 04:05:24 PM
If you leave it till full time both Faulkner and Lerner will not be in the stadium to hear any sort of protest from the fans ....and McLeish will have legged it down to the tunnel area, not to appear again!!

Then they will say to themselves not much of a protest was it!!

And how many supporters are going to hang round after the full time whistle to protest, most leave well before the end!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 04, 2012, 04:10:11 PM
He's not the only Villa manager not to have won the league or the European Cup in 30 years. I say boo him out, get behind the team for the game then damn the fellow's eyes, strip the britches from his backside and warm his heels to Putney Bridge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on May 04, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 04, 2012, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2012, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 04, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
Capello? I wonder?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7729374/

He's trying his arm for the Chelsea job.

I just heard the funniest thing.  I just got an e-mail from my brother who tells me a baggies fan at his work placee genuinely believes that they have a good chance of getting capello as their next manager!  LMAO!  Deluded twat

He's in for a shock when Steve Bruce rocks up then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.
Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
That's a fair comment Dave.We have had horrendous injury problems and a lot of bad luck.It may be worth waiting to see what happens during the summer, but if things don't improve very early next season then he has to go i think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2012, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.
Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.


Of all the ones to support...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 08:51:03 PM
That's fair enough Dave, absolutely entitled to your option. Personally I disagree as I think he's done a horrible job and largely nothing right, and I just feel if they back him they're throwing good money after bad. I think we'd be much better with a clean slate and a progressive attacking manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
I'll also add sometimes changing the manager does make a huge change. If ever there was a case for it it's now, Mcleish hasn't even met my very low expectations of how bad he would be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 04, 2012, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 04, 2012, 08:55:13 PM
I'll also add sometimes changing the manager does make a huge change. If ever there was a case for it it's now, Mcleish hasn't even met my very low expectations of how bad he would be.
He has mine...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 04, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
Either way he's done a diabolical job and has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
By pay-off more likely.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KRS on May 04, 2012, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.
Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

I more often than not agree with and value your opinions on here, but I'm afraid you're way off on this one DC5. I've said it before on here...we wont get relegated this season, but if AM is still in charge next season then relegation is almost a certainty. I hope Randy and co have the bollocks to admit their mistake and take corrective action in the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2012, 09:55:18 PM
Quote from: KRS on May 04, 2012, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 04, 2012, 01:28:24 PM
DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.
Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

I more often than not agree with and value your opinions on here, but I'm afraid you're way off on this one DC5. I've said it before on here...we wont get relegated this season, but if AM is still in charge next season then relegation is almost a certainty. I hope Randy and co have the bollocks to admit their mistake and take corrective action in the summer.

So do I, KRS. I have a lot of time and respect for Jon, but I agree completely with the section of your post I have edited in bold. Your final sentence is one I also wish comes to fruition.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
DCF its your gut feeling, well it would be difficult to put up a rational arguement to keep him. I spoke to one of the European Cup winners the other night and asked him the question. His answer was "He has lost 8 or 9 thousand supporters  and if they keep him we will lose even more".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 10:07:43 PM
There are only three reasons not to sack McLeish this summer:

However, the fact remains that we are averaging about one point a game and one goal a game. That is truly woeful. Even though the squad is weak and expectations were low, he has underperformed massively.

My opinion is that even if McLeish is backed AND spends wisely, both big ifs, the best we can hope for is dull defensive football leading to mid-table safety. The worst is that our score of yet unproven (if talented) youngsters are complemented by hapless Bosmans and further waste of space like Hutton. In that case we'll be lucky if there are three teams as poor as Wolves, QPR and Blackburn again next season. Maybe we'll even descend to that level.

To me, that's a very thin upside and a very grim downside.

The backdrop is that I've never really rated McLeish as a manager: not as a judge of players (how many games did he need to realize that Delph isn't a PL central midfielder yet), not as a tactician (one-trick pony and almost lost if he cannot play that one trick) and not as a coach (how many players have improved greatly under the guidance of Big 'Eck?).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 10:10:28 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 04, 2012, 10:00:59 PM
DCF its your gut feeling, well it would be difficult to put up a rational arguement to keep him. I spoke to one of the European Cup winners the other night and asked him the question. His answer was "He has lost 8 or 9 thousand supporters  and if they keep him we will lose even more".
And that we cannot afford. We should listen to said European Cup Winner,because they know how Villa works,the pride, passion and also the expectation of our great club and supporters.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 04, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Is it too much to want to hold your shoulders back and your chin up and be proud to be a Villa fan? That's all I want. Isn't that what any of us want? To even in defeat know that we've lost with all guns blazing and having a damned good go? We'll never have that under McLeech, never. Is it really too much to ask? McLeech HAS to go, he isn't fit to wear the club tie much less manage the club! He's a sham of a manager and a total disgrace to us and our proud and ebviable history, even if the bright future is proving elusive. He is not the answer. If he is, what the fuck was the question???
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 04, 2012, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: James on May 04, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
Is it too much to want to hold your shoulders back and your chin up and be proud to be a Villa fan? That's all I want. Isn't that what any of us want? To even in defeat know that we've lost with all guns blazing and having a damned good go? We'll never have that under McLeech, never. Is it really too much to ask? McLeech HAS to go, he isn't fit to wear the club tie much less manage the club! He's a sham of a manager and a total disgrace to us and our proud and ebviable history, even if the bright future is proving elusive. He is not the answer. If he is, what the fuck was the question???
What came first.............?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.
Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 04, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.
Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 04, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.
Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.
See you in Villa Memories.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 05, 2012, 12:01:17 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 04, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 11:51:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2012, 09:55:45 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 04, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 04, 2012, 08:44:51 PM
Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.
Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.
Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.
See you in Villa Memories.

Only if you get your way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 05, 2012, 12:02:47 AM

No 'Lap of Honour' this Season...?
Why on earth not ?
Yeah, right...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 05, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
Human nature I suppose.

Bloke takes the trouble to chat with you and maybe even share the occasional pint = you want to believe the best about him.

Personally, I'd like to think If I had just so happened to live near DOL when he was Villa manager and he knew me to speak to, I'd have still come to the conclusion that he was a shit manager.  But each to his own.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan from luton on May 05, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
Was speaking to a Arsenal fan today and he said the performance of Villa today in the league at the Emirates was one of the worst he had seen for some time, had never met him before. I said McLeish was not disliked cos of his previous connections but because of the football his teams play. He said he hadnt even thought about it, but all his teams had played like that/ It is the press who have made it into the Blues ex manager thing
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tomd2103 on May 05, 2012, 12:18:46 AM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 04, 2012, 10:07:43 PM
There are only three reasons not to sack McLeish this summer:
  • He hasn't really had the tools to do what he is supposed to be good at: forming a tight defensive team who scrapes 0-0 draws and nicks 1-0 wins. For that, our midfield has been to weak and our defenders too unreliable.
  • The board has proven to be useless at appointing managers. Better than to waste another £x millions in compensation and the like is to stick with the devil we know.
  • Changing the manager every year is almost always detrimental to the fortunes of a club.

However, the fact remains that we are averaging about one point a game and one goal a game. That is truly woeful. Even though the squad is weak and expectations were low, he has underperformed massively.

My opinion is that even if McLeish is backed AND spends wisely, both big ifs, the best we can hope for is dull defensive football leading to mid-table safety. The worst is that our score of yet unproven (if talented) youngsters are complemented by hapless Bosmans and further waste of space like Hutton. In that case we'll be lucky if there are three teams as poor as Wolves, QPR and Blackburn again next season. Maybe we'll even descend to that level.

To me, that's a very thin upside and a very grim downside.

The backdrop is that I've never really rated McLeish as a manager: not as a judge of players (how many games did he need to realize that Delph isn't a PL central midfielder yet), not as a tactician (one-trick pony and almost lost if he cannot play that one trick) and not as a coach (how many players have improved greatly under the guidance of Big 'Eck?).

I'd pretty much agree with that.  As far as footballing style goes, I think McLeish is similar to Tony Pulis and that is the type of football he favours.  I accept Stoke have had the distraction of Europe this season, but they have spent quite a bit of money in the past few seasons without ever really troubling the European places and making any real progress.  You have to wonder if that is down to Pulis's approach and if that is all McLeish would ever really achieve.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 05, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
If Eck can't get goals out of Gabby, Ireland and N'Zogbia.. who would he be able to get goals out of? We can't solely rely on Darren Bent. We have no offensive presence and even though our defense has been god awful at times, we're capable of maintaining very low scoring games.

He can't coordinate on offense, simple as. Goals win you games, not "He's a nice bloke, here's three points." I want to win, not be laughed at.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 05, 2012, 12:38:07 AM
Yep Pulis, Allardyce, MON, Mcleish, Mcarthy and Kean
all come from that school of thought that the only way you can compete is by employing negative anti football systems.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan from luton on May 05, 2012, 12:48:21 AM
Allardyce was one of the first managers who employed verying techniques to keep the players fit to be honest
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on May 05, 2012, 06:50:25 AM
Of his many failings I don't think you can acuse MON of 'anti-football'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 05, 2012, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: Matt C on May 05, 2012, 06:50:25 AM
Of his many failings I don't think you can acuse MON of 'anti-football'

I agree. Whilst I despise him now, no matter how negative you could say the football was to me it was always had some sort of entertainment value. Now.. not so much.

On another note, I think I'm starting to get nervous for McLeish. He's probably already been told he's gone and he is going to get a proper hounding on Sunday. I guess they won't give up until they see him gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 05, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Mat Kendrick tweeted 'players lap of (dis) honour planned.

Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish will keep low profile at Villa Park - but players' lap of honour still planned
by Mat Kendrick, Birmingham MailMay


 Alex McLeish
ALEX McLeish will “keep his head down” in the dugout again tomorrow despite insisting returning to Villa Park holds no fear for him.


McLeish stayed on the bench for most of last Saturday’s draw at The Hawthorns and intends to do the same for the home match with Spurs.

It will be the first time he has stepped out at the stadium since he was booed and verbally abused after the defeat to Bolton.

And some fans are planning ‘McLeish Out’ protests at Villa Park tomorrow afternoon.


Asked if he would remain in the dugout or patrol the technical area, McLeish replied: “I’ll probably keep my head down and let the fans concentrate on supporting the players.

“It’s a new day. The last game was snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory so the fans are never going to be happy with that.

“So I accept that night and I take it on the chin. But I’ve no fears of walking back into the arena. I’m passionate about getting the right results at Villa Park.

“We are looking for a siege mentality and getting about Spurs.”

Villa’s players tend to do a lap of honour after their final home game of the season and McLeish would still like the claret and blues to uphold the tradition to show their appreciation to the fans.

“I would like to think the players will thank the fans for their support,” he added. “It should be a given.”





Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/05/aston-villa-boss-alex-mcleish-will-keep-low-profile-at-villa-park-but-players-lap-of-honour-still-planned-97319-30905221/#ixzz1tzUIqIpF
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 05, 2012, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: villajk on May 05, 2012, 11:45:48 AM


 


McLeish stayed on the bench for most of last Saturday’s draw at The Hawthorns and intends to do the same for the home match with Spurs.

It will be the first time he has stepped out at the stadium since he was booed and verbally abused after the defeat to Bolton.

And some fans are planning ‘McLeish Out’ protests at Villa Park tomorrow afternoon.


Asked if he would remain in the dugout or patrol the technical area, McLeish replied: “I’ll probably keep my head down and let the fans concentrate on supporting the players.

“It’s a new day. The last game was snatching a defeat from the jaws of victory so the fans are never going to be happy with that.



I wonder if he genuinely believes the reaction was based on just one match, and had absolutely nothing to do with the 34 before that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 11:54:03 AM
The way he speaks he gives the impression it is a passing annoyance. Not sure if it is hope or complete ignorance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 05, 2012, 12:04:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 11:54:03 AM
The way he speaks he gives the impression it is a passing annoyance. Not sure if it is hope or complete ignorance.

He says what he has to say, doesn't he? He can't say: "Well, the team and I have been serving up shit results and awful football for the whole season, and losing at home against Bolton seemed to have been the final straw."

It has to be along the lines of "We lost against Bolton, so the fans are unhappy", with no mention of previous poor results (allthough if Bolton at home had been a blip, there wouldn't have been any need to mention his desire to get "the right results").
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 05, 2012, 12:11:47 PM
What annoys me about the whole 'snatching from jaws of victory' is that's it's absolute bollocks. We were winning for about 45seconds!! That's it! Hardly like everyone's comeback against united. I cannot eat till this fool has gone
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on May 05, 2012, 12:16:37 PM
We should have beat Bolton. You shouldn't lose a game when the opposition only have a minute and a half of the game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 05, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 05, 2012, 12:38:07 AM
Yep Pulis, Allardyce, MON, Mcleish, Mcarthy and Kean
all come from that school of thought that the only way you can compete is by employing negative anti football systems.
Thankfully the teams that win things are usually the more entertaining ones.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2012, 12:36:20 PM
The best thing that can happen to this club is for McLeish to leave after next weekend's game. Nice guy and a decent bloke he may be but out of a talented squad of players, he's managed to turn us into a very mediocre side. That alone should be be reason enough to let him go, never mind being 3 points off relegation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 05, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 05, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
If Eck can't get goals out of Gabby, Ireland and N'Zogbia..


If , he cant ....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2012, 12:56:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2012, 12:36:20 PM
The best thing that can happen to this club is for McLeish to leave after next weekend's game. Nice guy and a decent bloke he may be but out of a talented squad of players, he's managed to turn us into a very mediocre side. That alone should be be reason enough to let him go, never mind being 3 points off relegation.

Completely agree, although we're possibly a bit below mediocre.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: RonBurgundy on May 05, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 link=topic=46130.msg2039630#msg2039630 date=
I cannot eat till this fool has gone
[/quote

I would suggest going on hunger strike is taking it a tad to far.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Charlie Nicolas talking out of his arse on SSN. Phil Thompson talking sense, saying never going to work and that there has to be some sense with him leaving.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Charlie Nicolas talking out of his arse on SSN. Phil Thompson talking sense, saying never going to work and that there has to be some sense with him leaving.

Yeah Nicholas was talking bollocks. What more do the fans want with the restrictions in place? They want a team to attack and try and win games, which Mcleish is incapable of managing. Also he said the fans turned straight away, did we bollocks. We gave him plenty of time to show he could handle the job and he has done nothing to show he can. He just needs to go, it's never going to work.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 05, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 05, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Charlie Nicolas talking out of his arse on SSN. Phil Thompson talking sense, saying never going to work and that there has to be some sense with him leaving.






Yeah Nicholas was talking bollocks. What more do the fans want with the restrictions in place? They want a team to attack and try and win games, which Mcleish is incapable of managing. Also he said the fans turned straight away, did we bollocks. We gave him plenty of time to show he could handle the job and he has done nothing to show he can. He just needs to go, it's never going to work.

what the fuck does champagne pretty boy know about us except what he reads in the Daily Star
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 05, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 05, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Charlie Nicolas talking out of his arse on SSN. Phil Thompson talking sense, saying never going to work and that there has to be some sense with him leaving.

Yeah Nicholas was talking bollocks. What more do the fans want with the restrictions in place? They want a team to attack and try and win games, which Mcleish is incapable of managing. Also he said the fans turned straight away, did we bollocks. We gave him plenty of time to show he could handle the job and he has done nothing to show he can. He just needs to go, it's never going to work.

After the away victory at Chelsea I would say support was positively buzzing with enthusiasm, even on these pages.

That tailed off very badly and very quickly with the abject performances post-Christmas.

I think the only difference between dablues under this manager last season and us this season, is that we have that bit more quality and PL experience in our ranks to just be able to hold on to our PL status.

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 05, 2012, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 05, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
I think the only difference between dablues under this manager last season and us this season, is that we have that bit more quality and PL experience in our ranks to just be able to hold on to our PL status.

He's lucky we do as Blues had a point more than us at this stage last season and went down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 05, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
Can the person using DCF's username please stop.The joke isn't funny anymore.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2012, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 05, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 05, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
Charlie Nicolas talking out of his arse on SSN. Phil Thompson talking sense, saying never going to work and that there has to be some sense with him leaving.

Yeah Nicholas was talking bollocks. What more do the fans want with the restrictions in place? They want a team to attack and try and win games, which Mcleish is incapable of managing. Also he said the fans turned straight away, did we bollocks. We gave him plenty of time to show he could handle the job and he has done nothing to show he can. He just needs to go, it's never going to work.

After the away victory at Chelsea I would say support was positively buzzing with enthusiasm, even on these pages.

That tailed off very badly and very quickly with the abject performances post-Christmas.

I think the only difference between dablues under this manager last season and us this season, is that we have that bit more quality and PL experience in our ranks to just be able to hold on to our PL status.

 

I really thought the Chelsea game could've been a turning point but in the end it was just a massive fluke result and we were turned over comprehensively at home to Swansea 4 hours later.

Since the Chelsea game we've won TWO league games.

He really has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 05, 2012, 09:56:41 PM
The stats make it a joke that he is still in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 05, 2012, 09:59:42 PM
He'll go after the Norwich game. We'll win tomorrow and stay up with ease.

In a few months time we'll look back on these times and laugh.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 05, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 05, 2012, 09:59:42 PM
He'll go after the Norwich game. We'll win tomorrow and stay up with ease.

In a few months time we'll look back on these times and laugh.
No we won't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 05, 2012, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 05, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 05, 2012, 09:59:42 PM
He'll go after the Norwich game. We'll win tomorrow and stay up with ease.

In a few months time we'll look back on these times and laugh.
No we won't.

yes we will, from the asylum
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 05, 2012, 11:59:57 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 05, 2012, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 05, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 05, 2012, 09:59:42 PM
He'll go after the Norwich game. We'll win tomorrow and stay up with ease.

In a few months time we'll look back on these times and laugh.
No we won't.

yes we will, from the asylum

We don't laugh about DOL. We just shiver.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 06, 2012, 02:04:35 AM
Oh dear..Time to go and put a big bet on Spuds to win, I think!!  I never win!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
Listening to that Nursey saying he'll go as he 'never got goodwill from the Villa fans, obviously coming from Birmingham'. He even went so far as to say that 'any other manager would have got more patience from the fans' given the injury situation and the selling of Ash and Downing.

Firstly, what absolute, utter, unadulterated horse vomit. I would actually say that he's got more time than other managers because of fans determined to show that, in fact, we don't give a shit about the Blues connection. Plus, he is a decent guy, and it's never nice to see a decent guy fail, so we gave him more than a fair shake.

Secondly, it's time to address the issues of injuries and the loss of Ash and Downing. Yes, he's had injuries, but not for a great deal of the season - and when he had his full squad of seniors the football was, if anything, slightly worse. The youngsters have at least showed a lot of cajones, even if they're essentially being misled by poor tactics. They also have a manager constantly telling the press that they're not good enough and that the senior players will be straight back in when fit. That's not confidence building.

As for Downing and Young: sure, losing Ash was a blow, one we knew was coming but a blow nonetheless. However, we're all agreed that last season was not his best, and Ireland has proved himself better in the 'hole' than Ash ever was, even considering the scraps Ireland has lived off this season. I'd still rather have Ash on the wing than Ireland in the hole, but Ireland's rejuvenation this season should have been enough to counter it adequately, even if not completely - but he's had too little to go on due to our defensiveness

Downing last season essentially had his first good season in 6 years and has now reverted to anonymous type. Don't get me wrong, losing him on last season's form was unwelcome, but in terms of form over the last 2 years, N'Zogbia is, individually at least, replacing like-for-like, but better. However, for some reasons which the manager must take some responsibility for at least, he hasn't ever reached those heights here. The loss of those two players is not much of an excuse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 11:34:43 AM
Well said Monty.   He's been given a decent crack of the whip by all but a minority of idiots.   Decent bloke though he is, it's been a shocker of a season and he should resign when the season is over. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Losing Ash and Downing was a blow but enough to be 3 points off relegation?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Apyadg on May 06, 2012, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Losing Ash and Downing was a blow but enough to be 3 points off relegation?

Maybe.

Last year Downing scored 8 goals and 10 assists, Young got 10 and 15.

Albrighton, N'Zogbia and Ireland have 6 goals and 9 assists between them. All 3 of them don't even match up with Downing, never mind Young.

Of course, part of that is the negative tactics we use under McLeish, but the fact that we sold our best players, again, the season after we sold Milner, 2 years after we sold Barry...certainly didn't help.

There are managers who would do better than McLeish, and certainly many that are far less defeatist and irritating, but noone is going to get this club much higher than 10th with Lerner's current spending philosophy.

McLeish has to go, but it's not going to solve all of our problems.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JJ-AV on May 06, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
A win today and him to be gone by Tuesday evening would be ideal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: IRISHPHIL on May 06, 2012, 12:06:22 PM
losing ash and downing was a blow, but remeber we lost 24million pound striker , international defender and club captain
all adds up to why we have struggled.
however mcleish did not help himself at start of season because he said the defenders where there to defend set piece play and if they did not do their job he would drop them. they did not defend the set piece play and unfortunatley he did not follow up his promise to drop them
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: IRISHPHIL on May 06, 2012, 12:06:22 PM
losing ash and downing was a blow, but remeber we lost 24million pound striker , international defender and club captain
all adds up to why we have struggled.
however mcleish did not help himself at start of season because he said the defenders where there to defend set piece play and if they did not do their job he would drop them. they did not defend the set piece play and unfortunatley he did not follow up his promise to drop them

He has no excuse for the football he played when they were fit though.

You are completely right about the set-pieces though. We've conceded more from set-pieces than anyone else this season and his first choice defence will still be Hutton-Collins-Dunne-Warnock - as it was at the start of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 12:25:38 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 06, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
A win today and him to be gone by Tuesday evening would be ideal.

Yes that'd be perfect.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
The problem with the 'sold young and downing so what do they expect' comment that we're hearing regularly now (mainly because they've realised the shit about being ex-blues has worn thin) is that yes we lost 2 good players but more importantly the player McLeish chose to replace their threat from wide has been a complete failure.  If nzogbia had 10 goals and assists no one would be talking about downing having gone.

In my opinion you need to score 25+ from midfield for a 451 formation to work - we've had 11 (in the league).  For the whole midfield to collectively fail to deliver suggests the problem isn't with the players, particularly given at least 2 of them have had double figures in the premier league in the recent past.

I'd also say that 10+ from the defence should be the target, I'm actually impressed they've managed 5 given the lack of a single goal from a corner.

I think the squad we have is capable of hitting those targets, if Bent then pushes close to 20 and gabby/heskey/weimann add another 10-15 we should be looking at 60-70 for the season.  The  problem is, our defenders will never get their target whilst we struggle to score from corners and our midfield will always fall short in a 'safety first, hold your position' system like we've seen.

Looking at the league this season there really is no excuse for not being top half, ninth and tenth are Fulham and West Brom, our squad is definitely as good as either of those so that's where we should be aiming.  To me that means we've dropped about 10 points because of the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 06, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 06, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Looking at the league this season there really is no excuse for not being top half, ninth and tenth are Fulham and West Brom, our squad is definitely as good as either of those so that's where we should be aiming.  To me that means we've dropped about 10 points because of the manager.
I'd probably swap squads with Fulham right now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 06, 2012, 01:14:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 06, 2012, 12:59:36 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 06, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
Looking at the league this season there really is no excuse for not being top half, ninth and tenth are Fulham and West Brom, our squad is definitely as good as either of those so that's where we should be aiming.  To me that means we've dropped about 10 points because of the manager.
I'd probably swap squads with Fulham right now.

Our squad is poor-the jewels have gone and we are left with a couple of quality players and a lot of very average players at best-this squad needs a total overhaul whoever is in charge!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 01:18:01 PM
On paper we are still pretty decent if you look at the cold facts.

We look so disjointed though, and that is down to the boss. Our biggest issue has been in central midfield, but again, the manager carries the can for that with me, he had ample opportunity to spend 20 million quid, and chose Hutton when we had 2 options at right back, Jenas on loan and jettisoned Makoun, 10 on NZogbia which made sense but he has no clue how to use him, and Given for 5 million on a massive contact.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 01:22:27 PM
I know Makoun didn't set the world alight last season, but he showed some glimpses of class.

A manager who, at the start of the season, thought that Delph was a better bet in central midfield than Makoun cannot be regarded as an astute judge of a player, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 01:22:27 PM
I know Makoun didn't set the world alight last season, but he showed some glimpses of class.

A manager who, at the start of the season, thought that Delph was a better bet in central midfield than Makoun cannot be regarded as an astute judge of a player, in my opinion.

Well quite. And that is before thinking about the respective fitness records of Delph, Jenas and Makoun, the experience etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 01:28:14 PM
Problem with Makoun is that he could pass and Alex doesn't like players who pass.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Apyadg on May 06, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 06, 2012, 01:28:14 PM
Problem with Makoun is that he could pass and Alex doesn't like players who pass.

Indeed, it's one short step from daring to pass the ball, to having the temerity to take a shot at goal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 04:02:08 PM
Well we've survived. Get Mcleish out now, he's been fucking diabolical and we've survived more by the ineptitude of others. No reason not to get rid of him immeadiately now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 04:06:14 PM
I don't think our squad is as poor as it has performed this season. It is just that it has been woefully handled by an absolute clown of a manager. Even our worst performers are solid premier league players and I have no doubt they would be around midtable with any even half decent manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: avfcpg on May 06, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 06, 2012, 04:02:08 PM
Well we've survived. Get Mcleish out now, he's been fucking diabolical and we've survived more by the ineptitude of others. No reason not to get rid of him immeadiately now.

Pretty much sums it up...get him gone and quickly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 04:07:44 PM
Get rid of him now. We are safe, there is no need to keep him. That second half should show how bad a manager he is, we were absolutely battered by a team with 10 men. We barely tried to attack.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
We are now safe. Now he HAS to, HAS to walk. There is no future for him. The second half today, against 10 men, 1-0 up, showed every single facet of the problem with Big Eck.

Now go. please god go!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Apyadg on May 06, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
We are now safe. Now he HAS to, HAS to walk. There is no future for him. The second half today, against 10 men, 1-0 up, showed every single facet of the problem with Big Eck.

Now go. please god go!

Why would he give up his pay-off by walking out? He has to be sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
Assuming that we'll manage a draw against Norwich, we'll end up with the exact same amount of points that Blues did last season.

So the reason Blues went down and we survived may well be that the relegated teams were more inept this season.

Another arguement that another season with Big Eck would be playing with fire.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 06, 2012, 04:26:00 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 06, 2012, 12:02:55 PM
There are managers who would do better than McLeish, and certainly many that are far less defeatist and irritating, but noone is going to get this club much higher than 10th with Lerner's current spending philosophy.

It’s not really a spending philosophy.  If the club is not creating enough money then there is nothing to spend.  Indeed didn’t Randy pump errr 25m in this year from his own cash?.  Unless you mean our propensity to buy from britain and therefore pay the premium price.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 06, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
Saved his bacon again if you can do that with Spuds.. another glorious draw. What kind of spectacular can we expect with the cannarries then? I can't wait.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 04:29:53 PM
I said the personal abuse is out of order, the professional abuse is spot on. He has done a truly shocking job and has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 06, 2012, 04:34:55 PM
He still has a few fans sat by us in the Trinity. With us needing a win (before WBA saved us), playing against 10 men, but defending corners with everyone in box he was getting some grief about not leaving a player on/near the half way line. These three jumped to his support saying Man Udt never a leave a player up the pitch...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 06, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Taxi for Alex...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 06, 2012, 04:40:14 PM
Stats from today's game: Click (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/match/2012/may/06/aston-villa-v-tottenham-hotspur)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Doesn't sound like he's leaving after that BBC-WM interview, does it?

You've got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 04:55:01 PM
He has to go now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 06, 2012, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 04:54:18 PM
Doesn't sound like he's leaving after that BBC-WM interview, does it?

You've got to be kidding me.
Just heard that, soul destroying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 04:57:21 PM
WHat was said?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 06, 2012, 05:01:44 PM
Those stats are great considering they played with 10 men for so long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 05:04:13 PM
This has gone on for far too long, Lerner you have to get rid of him now. We will go down if Mcleish is in charge next year and that's ignoring how diabolically dull we will be. He couldn't have done a much worse job, we've stayed up because other sides are so poor not because we are any good. Just fuck Mcleish off and start again, with some actual thought this time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
'we gave Tottenham a really good game.' No we didn't Alex you delusional fool, we got lucky against ten men because they absolutely battered us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Don't worry. McAllister was making similar noises this time last year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 06, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
Can we sack him now?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 06, 2012, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: ez on May 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Don't worry. McAllister was making similar noises this time last year.
And we were playing quite well under McAllister at the end!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
The bloke is increasingly delusional. Really, he needs to be as far away from the club as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
The bloke is increasingly delusional. Really, he needs to be as far away from the club as soon as possible.

As I said 'gave Tottenham a really good game' he's absolutely certifiable. They had 10 men and it was like the fucking Alamo. Just fuck off Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 06, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
The bloke is increasingly delusional. Really, he needs to be as far away from the club as soon as possible.


Put on post match thread that I hope he is just sending a message to RL & PF that he isn't jumping, so they're going to have to push him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 06, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: ez on May 06, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
Don't worry. McAllister was making similar noises this time last year.

And he did a much better job. In fact we should have kept him./
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: myf on May 06, 2012, 05:21:42 PM
He also said he thinks he has fans backing him. made the excuse of injuries and having to play the kids. Intimated he has discussed targets with the owners
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 06, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 05:22:45 PM
Has the fans backing? I don't think many managers have ever had less backing universally from the fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 06, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: myf on May 06, 2012, 05:21:42 PM
He also said he thinks he has fans backing him. made the excuse of injuries and having to play the kids. Intimated he has discussed targets with the owners

As the fans can't interact with him directly, its up to the journalists to make the point that even before the injuries, the team wasn't performing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 06, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Well he will know there is a job vacancy in the midlands so perhaps he will make himself available for it like he did before.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 06, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 06, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
Put on post match thread that I hope he is just sending a message to RL & PF that he isn't jumping, so they're going to have to push him.

Push him?! I want them to fire him out of a cannon!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 06, 2012, 05:30:51 PM
I think its simple really. Once the Norwich game is over and the dust has settled, the powers that be need to grow a pair of bollocks, realise that this has been a fundamental error of judgement and do what is best for the long term future of the club and the relationship between the board and fans.

Despite all my reservations I think the Bolton game has forced their hand and the right decision will be made.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 06, 2012, 05:31:17 PM
Mcleish still thinks he has the back of the fans?!!

The man dosen't have a clue....as soon as the final whistle went, the "fcuk off McLeish" from the Holte was loud and proud.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 05:36:14 PM
If McLeish has had personal backing from a number of fans I can only imagine they were struck into circumspection by being close to someone who's been on telly. I know we all want him to get gone as soon as possible, but who knows what the chumps up top will do? If McLeish gets his way and is manager this time next week, it'll confirm they don't give a flying fuck about the opinion of the fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
Purely on the basis that we have never won fewer home games than this season, not since the league began (the actual proper league, not the Premier League), he has to go.

I can not see a single positive from his season, not one.

The board need to do two things. Firstly, they need to get shot of him ASAP, because trying to sell season tickets while there is still a chance he might be here is going to be very difficult. Secondly, they need to wake up to reality. Deciiding you want to be like Ajax takes more than just playing lads of kids and hoping for the best.

One thing is certain, in my opinion, if they keep this bloke in place, they'll see sub 30k crowds next year, and we will get relegated at the end of it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2012, 10:16:58 PM
As the saying goes, 'one swallow doesn't make a summer'.  I am not judging AM on a match by match basis but on the season to date.  There have been some games where we have played well in parts and many games where we have looked terrible.

28 games should be enough to start seeing a pattern of improvement if it was going to occur but, in my opinion, we look to have gone backwards from the latter part of last season.  It will be interesting to see how we play over the next month after we have completed our easy run of matches.  Sometimes it is not the results that matter but the way you play that can give you confidence for the future.  I am not confident.

Some people are saying that AM should be given the chance to bring in his own players before finally judging him.  I am worried that this would just be delaying the inevitable and will see us spending more money and possibly shipping out some players that should not be sold.  Other than Given, I have not been impressed with the players he has brought in and 28 games in, he has still not sorted out the defence.  McLeish did well to get Blues to 9th but then went out and spent, relatively, quite a lot of money but saw the team get worse.  The fear is that it could well happen to us.

Usually, how well you play one season is based on how well you finish the previous season.  If we do not climb 5 or 6 places, we will be starting next season still looking for stability in the first half of the season.

I posted the above 9 matches ago and also said when we were 11 points ahead of the bottom three that we would stay up although we would be far closer to the bottom three than we were then.

I never expected that we would only pick up 5 points in those next 9 games.  As I said above, I was not confident at the time as the team was going backwards.  Since then we have just got worse.

The thing that I thought McLeish did have when he came here was the ability to set up a side properly and have them well organised.  I can now see he does not have that ability and just fills the team with defenders or plays attacking players in defensive formations.  The one thing he does know, however, is that his sides always needs a top class goalkeeper and thank god for the save by Given last week and the one today, both world class.

Today, we just flooded the defence and sat so deep that we had 5 defenders sitting 10 metres beyond their most advanced player even when they had the ball on the edge of our penalty area.  This left too many of their players unmarked, even when they only had 10 players on the pitch.  On another day Spurs would have had a couple of more goals if they had been a bit more clinical.  We battled today but it was not good defending.

As I said previously, I would be worried for our future if McLeish is kept on and given money to bring in new players.

McLeish needs to go and go quickly so that any manager that would be interested in coming here does not commit themselves to their current clubs for next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
Purely on the basis that we have never won fewer home games than this season, not since the league began (the actual proper league, not the Premier League), he has to go.

I can not see a single positive from his season, not one.

The board need to do two things. Firstly, they need to get shot of him ASAP, because trying to sell season tickets while there is still a chance he might be here is going to be very difficult. Secondly, they need to wake up to reality. Deciiding you want to be like Ajax takes more than just playing lads of kids and hoping for the best.

One thing is certain, in my opinion, if they keep this bloke in place, they'll see sub 30k crowds next year, and we will get relegated at the end of it.

Totally agree, it will cost them a lot more money in the long run not to sack him. On every single level of performance of a manager  he has failed miserably and must go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
If he stays, it will last about 8 weeks. He has totally lost the fans, and I reckon some of the dressing room too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 06, 2012, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 06, 2012, 05:30:51 PM
I think its simple really. Once the Norwich game is over and the dust has settled, the powers that be need to grow a pair of bollocks, realise that this has been a fundamental error of judgement and do what is best for the long term future of the club and the relationship between the board and fans.

Despite all my reservations I think the Bolton game has forced their hand and the right decision will be made.

I consider myself a reasonable man and if the powers that be have a higher opinion of McLeish than us supporters I think we can give him and them some leeway.
They can sack him now or the morning immediately after the Norwich game, I dont mind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 06, 2012, 05:45:55 PM
Villa fans should boycott the club. No season tickets, no replica kits, not a penny spent in any of the Villa outlets until McLeish has gone.

Lerner and Faulkner might not understand football, but i'm fairly sure they understand business. Whilst we keep chucking the money at the club, they'll keep him in a job. If they had one iota of common sense McLeish would have been fired within 10 minutes of the game finihing today...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 05:41:28 PM
If he stays, it will last about 8 weeks. He has totally lost the fans, and I reckon some of the dressing room too.

If it's announced he's staying, the reaction of the fans will be far worse than it was last season. I'm not saying there will be riots, but the point will certainly be made pretty vocally that not a single fan will back the decision.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 06, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
McLeish is more delusional than 'Comical Ali' if he thinks that the fans are still on his side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 06, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 06, 2012, 05:42:06 PM
Quote from: NeilH on May 06, 2012, 05:30:51 PM
I think its simple really. Once the Norwich game is over and the dust has settled, the powers that be need to grow a pair of bollocks, realise that this has been a fundamental error of judgement and do what is best for the long term future of the club and the relationship between the board and fans.

Despite all my reservations I think the Bolton game has forced their hand and the right decision will be made.

I consider myself a reasonable man and if the powers that be have a higher opinion of McLeish than us supporters I think we can give him and them some leeway.
They can sack him now or the morning immediately after the Norwich game, I dont mind.

I think the choice is pretty easy, carry on with their 'experiment' and alienate the fans or accept that they have cocked up and put right the wrong.

As regards the nonsense that Faulkner has spouted about Ajax. Ajax have once more lifted the domestic title and despite facing the prospect of losing two of their best players, they are already strongly linked with hoovering up all the best talent here. Yes they develop their own players, but it is always backed up with the creme of Dutch talent from rivals. Faulkner wants to introduce Ajax Lite, where we spend nothing and pray that all of our youth players develop into vintage Barca. Its fundamentally flawed, but then what would you expect from a good businessman with no football brain.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 06, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
McLeish is more delusional than 'Comical Ali' if he thinks that the fans are still on his side.

I'm hoping he is just being ironic and knows he is leaving....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 06, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
Someone (EffDee?) has worked out that our attendances are down roughly 10% this season.  The latest accounts on Swiss Ramble show a matchday income of 21m (for 2011).  That 2m drop in revenue is roughly the equivalent of AMc salary each season.  Assuming the fans return, then we could pay off AMc’s salary in full and be no worse off.

Next year the match day revenues are likely to be even lower.  It’s not just the dire football, the economic justifications are there too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: D.boy on May 06, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8003/taxi4mcleish7ih2gf.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
It's up to Randy at the end of the day. If he wants poor ST sales, 30k crowds, fan disgruntlement and poor football, then stick with Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.

Less likely than with Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 06, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Lerner and Faulkner are hoping that this will all die down once the season is over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 06, 2012, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.

Less likely than with Mcleish.

No disrespect intended towards KMac, but some coaches are cut out to be managers and some aren't. Look at Steve Kean and Terry Connor. I wouldn't want to take the chance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 06, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Lerner and Faulkner are hoping that this will all die down once the season is over.

If they are they're wrong. There is no turning back now, it's gone too far.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 06, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Lerner and Faulkner are hoping that this will all die down once the season is over.

That's how Lerner treats the Browns. Just a big, "eh, they'll get over it in the off season."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
If I were a betting man now, then I would be putting up a decent amount that the board will stick their heads in the sand and hope it blows away.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 06, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 06, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
McLeish is more delusional than 'Comical Ali' if he thinks that the fans are still on his side.

Comical Alex. Although it's far from funny now.

The problem is, the only people stupid enough to keep him will be the people stupid enough to hire him in the first place.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 06:26:43 PM
Going into next season under McLeish simply doesn't bear thinking about it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
(http://www.imgur.com/ugI0G.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.

Again, my (wild) guess is that we'll only go for KMac if neither Lambert nor Rodgers will come. I think there is a decent chance that at least one of them will be interested.

My guess (almost certain to be wrong) is just based on the feeling that the board will try to make a more predictable move this time around after two left-field (and unsuccessful) appointments.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 06:32:00 PM
Alex McLeish watched Villa all but clinch Barclays Premier League safety following their draw against Tottenham and admitted: "It's been as tough a season as I've had in football."

Villa just need to avoid an incredible goal difference swing on the final day at Norwich to guarantee top-flight football again in 2012-13.

McLeish was understandably relieved to have led the claret and blues to the cusp of the finishing line.

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.

But he revealed he would be assessing the squad after the season end and putting a plan in place for next term.

He said: "Relief is probably the emotion I have right now. Saying that we have another game and we have to prepare properly and try to win.

"We conceded a soft penalty in this one and then lost a wee bit of composure and they looked threatening.

"But we held our nerve and concentrated fully until the end of the game. I thought the determination and attitude of the players was fantastic.

"They coped great and showed a lot of bottle. I am not looking for players who can't handle the pressure. We need players here who can go in front of the crowd and express themselves.

"Overall, it's been a tough season, as tough as I've had. I knew the challenge I was taking on. But going through it is always different from what people tell you. You have to experience it.

"I have stood up in the face of adversity all season. I am proud to be intact and not thrown myself off a bridge or something.

"Certainly when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality.

"I thought we might have problems of our own. I knew we had a young back-up squad. Many of the young lads weren't really ready but hopefully it will stand them in good stead in terms of fighting to get in the squad next season.

"I would certainly look to strengthen the squad for next season.

"Assessment for next season has been ongoing. We've been assessing it every single week. We've got to start putting a plan of action in place.

"If I can go through that, I will have to have a crack at the big time and try and enhance the quality of the squad.

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players. I am not going to again next season though. They better get their fingers out.

"I think Randy will be pretty pleased with today's outcome. He's been very supportive in texts over the last few days which indicates great support for me.

"I'd expect to be here next season and hope to win over the dissenting Villa fans. But I need to get a consistent team on the pitch.

"I think the Villa fans in general have been excellent. I met some nice people at the dinner the other night. I felt the guys were genuine, they knew what I was working with.

"This season we have taken the plunge into the reduction of wages, hopefully helped the finances a little bit. But it has put us through the mill, no doubt about it, but we're planning and we can rise."


From the OS


Be afraid, be very, very afraid. Short of Numan having identified some cracking Dutchmen and Randy opening the chequebook, we are in for another fecking depressing season. I think he will buy quite well, but not have a clue how to use them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 06, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 06, 2012, 06:14:01 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Lerner and Faulkner are hoping that this will all die down once the season is over.

That's how Lerner treats the Browns. Just a big, "eh, they'll get over it in the off season."

That's what I mean.
It goes quiet for awhile, then.. '' we have learned from our mistakes from last season'' and ''the kids have got a wee bit more experience under there belts now''.

*shudders*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: johncvilla88 on May 06, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
The last few weeks I come to realise McCleish is staying guaranteed else he would of been sack and no statement from the club backing him would have been released. Therefore we need to give McCleish time to get his own squad in and I'm hoping for 3/4 great players such as the Berbatov/Sigurπsson and give him another chance. If he can't manage to attract this kinda quality i think he needs to go but we need to wait and give him the chance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.

Again, my (wild) guess is that we'll only go for KMac if neither Lambert nor Rodgers will come. I think there is a decent chance that at least one of them will be interested.

My guess (almost certain to be wrong) is just based on the feeling that the board will try to make a more predictable move this time around after two left-field (and unsuccessful) appointments.

I don't think Kevin will get the permanent job. We need someone who can revive a club, I think it has to be an outsider at this point. KMac has been at McLeish's left hand all season and I can't remember a single game that would be considered good football. I think turning this thing around might be above Kevin's head. Could he lure in the players? Does he know his opposition well enough?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
My guess is that something like this will happen:
  • After the end of the season, the board spend two weeks or so 'assessing' the situation.
  • At the end of the two weeks or so, Mat Kendrick tweets that McLeish is leaving.
  • The club then spends about a week negotiating McLeish's departure.
  • After the manager's departure is officially announced, the board goes all out to get one of Lambert or Rodgers as the next manager.
  • To avoid last season's protracted search, they'll give the job to KMac if they can't get Lambert or Rodgers. (With the added bonus of having to spend less on managers and perhaps more on players.)

My guess is that if that happens, we'll be nailed on for relegation.

Again, my (wild) guess is that we'll only go for KMac if neither Lambert nor Rodgers will come. I think there is a decent chance that at least one of them will be interested.

My guess (almost certain to be wrong) is just based on the feeling that the board will try to make a more predictable move this time around after two left-field (and unsuccessful) appointments.

The first move they ought to make is to appoint somebody to the board who knows something about football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on May 06, 2012, 06:36:53 PM
He should walk away now. This is a high point of his career, actually managing to keep a club in the premier league.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 06, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:34:33 PM
The first move they ought to make is to appoint somebody to the board who knows something about football.

I agree with that, but there's a difference between what I think should happen and what I think will happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: johncvilla88 on May 06, 2012, 06:33:16 PM
The last few weeks I come to realise McCleish is staying guaranteed else he would of been sack and no statement from the club backing him would have been released. Therefore we need to give McCleish time to get his own squad in and I'm hoping for 3/4 great players such as the Berbatov/Sigurπsson and give him another chance. If he can't manage to attract this kinda quality i think he needs to go but we need to wait and give him the chance.

He could theoretically attract Leo Messi, but he'd still probably struggle the get the guy to score more than single figures. He's had thirty-seven games in the league and been clueless for probably thirty-six of them. He's had his chance, it's time to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 06:38:16 PM
Alex McLeish earlier this evening...

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/JohnSandie/ComicalAli3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 06:38:26 PM
I've said several times, he must go absolutely no doubt about it. If he doesn't crowds are going to disappear and the club is in for hell.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 06, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
So Paul Falkner was pushing for Europe and the manger thought we would finish in
the bottom half.The manger is full of crap and should be sacked NOW for bullshitting again!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: The OS

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.

Tottenham? Oh do fuck off. It was not long ago that we were competing with them and whoever wrote that OS article thinks they are aristocrats?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 06, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: The OS

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.

Tottenham? Oh do fuck off.

Good grief.

How small time does that make us sound?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 06, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
As I said that's just symptomatic of how clueless the club are when it comes to the fans. Morons are running the show, nothing more and nothing less.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 06, 2012, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 06, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: The OS

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.


Good grief.

How small time does that make us sound?
Tottenham? Oh do fuck off.

Come on Paulie, you can't expect to host Tottenham and play for the win. Just be glad they let you share a pitch with them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Well, we've survived by the skin of our teeth.  Where we go from here, god only knows, but things had better improve next season.  Starting with the sacking of McLeish asap.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 06, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
It's up to Randy at the end of the day. If he wants poor ST sales, 30k crowds, fan disgruntlement and poor football, then stick with Mcleish.

We are getting just about 30K crowds counting all of the present season ticket holders. From what I can make out, there is going to be a massive hit on these numberts next season. I reckon you could be looking at some gates of low 20Ks next season if McCleish is still here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: simman on May 06, 2012, 06:58:03 PM
have held my tongue all season until now. Absolutely appalling. I never want to see MY team in this position ever again. McLiesh and Grant have to go now, right now. We will go no where while these two remain. The best we played today was while Grant was sat down, as soon as he got up, the lads lost it totally. Yes it looks like we might need another season of transition but surely it is worth it to rid our club of this awful excuse of a management team. This is OUR VILLA, we, our future supporters and our ancestors deserve better. Go now UTV.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 06, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 06, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
It's up to Randy at the end of the day. If he wants poor ST sales, 30k crowds, fan disgruntlement and poor football, then stick with Mcleish.

We are getting just about 30K crowds counting all of the present season ticket holders. From what I can make out, there is going to be a massive hit on these numberts next season. I reckon you could be looking at some gates of low 20Ks next season if McCleish is still here.

Didn't the Board say the season ticket numbers were right on track with previous years. I'm sure its just propaganda but the only way to speak to Randy is through money.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 06, 2012, 07:03:26 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 06, 2012, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: The OS

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.

Tottenham? Oh do fuck off. It was not long ago that we were competing with them and whoever wrote that OS article thinks they are aristocrats?

That is disgraceful. Not surprising our players our devoid of confidence. This defeatist attitude seems to be endemic throughout the whole club. Such crap from the PR dept makes me even more angry than the actions of our incompetent manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 06, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
So Carlos is off, I wonder how many more players are on the phone to the agents wanting away when the season is over? I think a few players will be seeing what happens on the manager side after next week. If he stays, we could well see an exodus.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 07:16:39 PM
I reckon Bent will be gone to the first decent offer for sure. Gabby I am not sure, but bruised ribs in our last home game keeping him out seems a bit if a cop out to me. Delph must be possible to go. Warnock, Collins maybe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hale on May 06, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
I understand that some box holders asked about renewing after 5 years have told club - "not while mcLeish is at the club".

If Randy ignores the terrible football he surely will not ignore his investment and give this joke of a manager his P45 (plus a few million as compensation).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hale on May 06, 2012, 07:22:27 PM
I understand that some box holders asked about renewing after 5 years have told club - "not while mcLeish is at the club".

If Randy ignores the terrible football he surely will not ignore his investment and give this joke of a manager his P45 (plus a few million as compensation).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
Well, if we end with him next season it's almost a case of getting up with what we deserve.
Today we had the chance to show the club how we feel about the manager, but other than a few half arsed chants at full time, most people sighed, shrugged and then left the ground.
If you can't be bothered to stay,stand up and let your feelings be known then dont moan next year when the twat is still here.
Apathy rules ok !!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
I know talk is cheap in football but with Faulkner stating that Europe was the target at the start of the season and the General saying "just imagine what Alex can do with good players and Randy's financial backing", I cannot imagine that Lerner expected the season to be as bad as it has been.  Also, Lerner cannot be happy with the loss of faith by the supporters and the effect on the financial income both this season and projected for next if the manager stays on.

I think that Lerner and Faulkner are naive in football matters but I do not think they are stupid.  McLeish has now shown with another club that he does not have what it takes as a manager at this level.

With the difference in TV and position money being about £7m difference in finishing 15th compared with 8th (or £1m per place), keeping him on to save paying compensation does not stack up in my opinion.  The man does not pay his way and this is before taking into account less revenue on matchdays.

I believe that we will have a new manager next season. 

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 07:26:03 PM
Quote from: Hale on May 06, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
I understand that some box holders asked about renewing after 5 years have told club - "not while mcLeish is at the club".

If Randy ignores the terrible football he surely will not ignore his investment and give this joke of a manager his P45 (plus a few million as compensation).

No matter what McLeish is making out like a bandit. Best payday of his life.. at the expense of Aston Villa. Who woulda thunk it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AV82EC on May 06, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
Well, if we end with him next season it's almost a case of getting up with what we deserve.
Today we had the chance to show the club how we feel about the manager, but other than a few half arsed chants at full time, most people sighed, shrugged and then left the ground.
If you can't be bothered to stay,stand up and let your feelings be known then dont moan next year when the twat is still here.
Apathy rules ok !!!!

Not renewing my season ticket until he's gone will be a rather more solid reminder to the board than standing up and shouting a few chants at the end of the match.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: slabsquare on May 06, 2012, 07:27:25 PM
The little tw#t has already given an interview post-match saying that he will be rebuilding in the summer - not on my watch, you clueless little t#rd
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
Well, if we end with him next season it's almost a case of getting up with what we deserve.
Today we had the chance to show the club how we feel about the manager, but other than a few half arsed chants at full time, most people sighed, shrugged and then left the ground.
If you can't be bothered to stay,stand up and let your feelings be known then dont moan next year when the twat is still here.
Apathy rules ok !!!!

I think it would be disappointing to say the least if our club made decisions based on an isolated protest at the end of one game. It should be obvious from our woeful form, disgraceful league position, reduced gates and constant slagging of the manager on forums and phone-ins that neither the team nor the fans want him to continue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on May 06, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
If Lerner and Faulkner have any common sense whatsoever they will sack McLeish, another season with him in charge doesn't bear thinking about.

I'm certainly not setting foot in Villa Park again until he's gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: myf on May 06, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
Some interesting quotes from him about the players. There is no doubt that some of them need to shoulder the blame as well for this (and last) season. whatever happens we need a clear out
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 06, 2012, 07:39:34 PM
Eck bears a passing resemblance to Orson in his day though not sure Mr Welles would like that..
Tana(Marlene Dietrich) reads the cards... Mc's dilemma somehow reminded me of this..I wish his fate was as classic.. 'Your future is all used up'

&feature=related

preceding bit..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqp7AW2aKU
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 06, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
I know talk is cheap in football but with Faulkner stating that Europe was the target at the start of the season and the General saying "just imagine what Alex can do with good players and Randy's financial backing", I cannot imagine that Lerner expected the season to be as bad as it has been.  Also, Lerner cannot be happy with the loss of faith by the supporters and the effect on the financial income both this season and projected for next if the manager stays on.

I think that Lerner and Faulkner are naive in football matters but I do not think they are stupid.  McLeish has now shown with another club that he does not have what it takes as a manager at this level.

With the difference in TV and position money being about £7m difference in finishing 15th compared with 8th (or £1m per place), keeping him on to save paying compensation does not stack up in my opinion.  The man does not pay his way and this is before taking into account less revenue on matchdays.

I believe that we will have a new manager next season.

We have to remember that Randy does very little in terms of the Football Operation within the club. The same way he employs Mike Holmgren to oversee and have responsibility with the Browns is the same way he trusted Faulkner to properly set us up for success. I think Randy will take a good look at those around him at the table meetings. He sees himself as a custodian to the club remember, not a footballing genius who has done it before.

He's fired General Managers before and he ousted an up and coming Eric Mangini after a very short, unsuccessful stint. He's not familiar with success that's for sure, so we can't expect him to properly know how to sustain it. Especially given the inadequacies at the top of the food chain. Paul Faulkner I'm talking to you.

However, he is responsible for doing the little things right. Like your homework. It was a bad idea from the start and it was never going to work. And because you didn't do you homework you will have to pay substantial amounts of compensation towards an avoidable mistake. It's okay, we'll survive.. but you've got to cut your losses and move on.

As for the exodus of players this summer.. things could get crazy. I don't think anyone is safe to be honest. Whoever can make some spending money will be gone, kids included. I can't see Darren being worth much with a ruptured ankle at the moment. If we're going to have to pay for McLeish to leave and get a decent amount of spending money (which it's going to take) for a decent manager to come in here and decide to rebuild the club, a lot of players are going to have their find their way out the exit. Some heartbreakers I presume.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The fans are coming out speaking their mind via protest, maybe the players should speak their minds too and revolt against McLeish?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 07:46:16 PM
Quote from: slabsquare on May 06, 2012, 07:27:25 PM
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The little tw#t has already given an interview post-match saying that he will be rebuilding in the summer - not on my watch, you clueless little t#rd

Is he possibly going to say anything else? Would he have said in a post match interview, "I'm going to resign/be sacked/see what happens"?

It must be clear to all that he will not be accepted at any price.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The fans are coming out speaking their mind via protest, maybe the players should speak their minds too and revolt against McLeish?

But they are perfectly content under McLeish as he is a comfort zone manager. He won't push them beyond the level they are willing to work. When Houllier tried to train them more heavily and get them to pass the ball they revolted. Under McLeish, they just have to run and aimlessly kick a ball. They will love it and will be desperately hoping he will still be in charge next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The fans are coming out speaking their mind via protest, maybe the players should speak their minds too and revolt against McLeish?

Maybe they see him differently to us?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 06, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The fans are coming out speaking their mind via protest, maybe the players should speak their minds too and revolt against McLeish?

But they are perfectly content under McLeish as he is a comfort zone manager. He won't push them beyond the level they are willing to work. When Houllier tried to train them more heavily and get them to pass the ball they revolted. Under McLeish, they just have to run and aimlessly kick a ball. They will love it and will be desperately hoping he will still be in charge next season.
I think that's just too cynical for words. But players will be concerned about their own futures. The kids will not know better and the older players tried and failed with that with Houllier. Anyway I don't here talk that he's lost the dressing room.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:53:34 PM
If the players are content playing under McLeish as manager then it makes it even more depressing. Who on earth would want to play for the man who is holding this team back? He's a clueless ******!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 06, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 07:42:00 PM
The fans are coming out speaking their mind via protest, maybe the players should speak their minds too and revolt against McLeish?

And why would you think they would do that?
It seems to me that probably the majority of them dont give a toss who the manager is and to what failings he may have as a coach.
Its been said numerous times ''He's a nice guy'' maybe they like it that way?

Most players nowadays play for money. The club is irrelevant.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on May 06, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
Well, if we end with him next season it's almost a case of getting up with what we deserve.
Today we had the chance to show the club how we feel about the manager, but other than a few half arsed chants at full time, most people sighed, shrugged and then left the ground.
If you can't be bothered to stay,stand up and let your feelings be known then dont moan next year when the twat is still here.
Apathy rules ok !!!!

Not renewing my season ticket until he's gone will be a rather more solid reminder to the board than standing up and shouting a few chants at the end of the match.
I'm certainly having a go at you, but, are you saying that you would prefer to stop doing something that is probably in your blood rather than stand up and shout that you don't agree with the way the club is being led and you want to see change ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on May 06, 2012, 08:02:58 PM
1 win in 15 says it all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 06, 2012, 08:04:26 PM
Listening to McLeish's post match interview, he doesn't think he's going anywhere. The ball is in Lerner's court now and he has to be decisive, either by sacking the manager immediately after the Norwich game, or backing him financially this summer. This season cannot be repeated or we will be relegated next season with crowds of under 30,000.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Randy/Faulkner will realise what needs doing if they don't already know when season ticket sales turn out to be very poor
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 06, 2012, 08:13:01 PM
I think if he's not sacked within 24 hours of the Norwich game he will be staying.
If that happens what can we do as fans? I haven't renewed our season tickets and I won't while he's there(told the club when I got THE phone call)
I just feel powerless to do anything while we watch our club go down the tubes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hoppo on May 06, 2012, 08:20:09 PM
The guy is useless but come on stop going down because of him! You dont protest by staying away. You make him aware he is shite. Great support today..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Don't stop going down.

Just don't renew. The message will get through.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish
Shows how desperate we've become!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
I'll keep going down because a) I support the Villa and b) I like my seat and don't want to lose it when the good days come back.  I know of a lot of people who aren't renewing though, including a couple of guys who've had season tickets since the 80's, I think it will be a significant drop. 

Agreed great support today, we did what McLeish can't do and encouraged the side.  Good to see the North Stand giving it some as well, looked a right laugh down there with the yids
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish
Fucking hell *sad face*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TaxDodger on May 06, 2012, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

Wow.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 06, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

But then a Villa fan on the BBC suggested we should sign Kenny Miller instead of Darren Bent in January last year. There are people with some strange ideas out there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
I'll keep going down because a) I support the Villa and b) I like my seat and don't want to lose it when the good days come back.
Did you get value for money going to the home games this season? Yea I understand the whole die hard supporter aspect, but who is actually willing to spend their hard earned money to go to games and come away from thinking "that was fucking awful, I don't want to see us play negatively and for the draw, I want to be excited and see us play for the win".

I admire your persistence, but I won't be going whilst that clown is still manager. Home games are just too unbearable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
My biggest worry is who we can get. I mean things have only got worse since last summer and look at who we ended up with last season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on May 06, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

But then a Villa fan on the BBC suggested we should sign Kenny Miller instead of Darren Bent in January last year. There are people with some strange ideas out there.

Clearly not really Villa fans then are they?

The cameras showed a couple of banners with Eck out on them in their match report, good coverage, usually not shown that type of thing in the past.  Also good to hear Collymore changing his mind, asking fans if McLeish should fall on his sword.  The Express articles are also damning of McLeish's tenure at Villa. Good.  OUT OUT OUT.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hoppo on May 06, 2012, 08:45:42 PM
On a side note get on Darren Ferguson as Wolves manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on May 06, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

But then a Villa fan on the BBC suggested we should sign Kenny Miller instead of Darren Bent in January last year. There are people with some strange ideas out there.

Clearly not really Villa fans then are they?

The cameras showed a couple of banners with Eck out on them in their match report, good coverage, usually not shown that type of thing in the past.  Also good to hear Collymore changing his mind, asking fans if McLeish should fall on his sword.  The Express articles are also damning of McLeish's tenure at Villa. Good.  OUT OUT OUT.

They're not really Villa fans if you don't agree with them?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 06, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
My biggest worry is who we can get. I mean things have only got worse since last summer and look at who we ended up with last season.
My concern too.
Plenty going on about Lambert coming to us. But why would he want to? Especially if RL is tightening purse strings.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
I'll keep going down because a) I support the Villa and b) I like my seat and don't want to lose it when the good days come back.
Did you get value for money going to the home games this season? Yea I understand the whole die hard supporter aspect, but who is actually willing to spend their hard earned money to go to games and come away from thinking "that was fucking awful, I don't want to see us play negatively and for the draw, I want to be excited and see us play for the win".

I admire your persistence, but I won't be going whilst that clown is still manager. Home games are just too unbearable.

I entirely agree, it's been an obligation, a persistent weekend wrecker.  It really is more to do with my seat, behind the goal in the Holte Upper, I've been there for years, know everyone around me and I'll struggle to get it back when demand for ST's picks back up. 

I also honestly believe that next season can't be any worse, even if McL is still in charge he'll have no slack and the board will have to act.  I don't think it will come to that though, he'll be gone in a month
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on May 06, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

But then a Villa fan on the BBC suggested we should sign Kenny Miller instead of Darren Bent in January last year. There are people with some strange ideas out there.

Clearly not really Villa fans then are they?

The cameras showed a couple of banners with Eck out on them in their match report, good coverage, usually not shown that type of thing in the past.  Also good to hear Collymore changing his mind, asking fans if McLeish should fall on his sword.  The Express articles are also damning of McLeish's tenure at Villa. Good.  OUT OUT OUT.

They're not really Villa fans if you don't agree with them?

It's probably some bluenose on a wind up. Sven, Bruce or Mick? Honestly? Frying pan, fire springs to mind.  No, I don't agree with them.  That's the beauty of free speech I guess, they are allowed their opinions.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 06, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 06, 2012, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on May 06, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 06, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
A Villa fan on You're on Sky Sports just suggested; Sven, Bruce or McCarthy to replace MacLeish

But then a Villa fan on the BBC suggested we should sign Kenny Miller instead of Darren Bent in January last year. There are people with some strange ideas out there.

Clearly not really Villa fans then are they?

The cameras showed a couple of banners with Eck out on them in their match report, good coverage, usually not shown that type of thing in the past.  Also good to hear Collymore changing his mind, asking fans if McLeish should fall on his sword.  The Express articles are also damning of McLeish's tenure at Villa. Good.  OUT OUT OUT.

They're not really Villa fans if you don't agree with them?

It's probably some bluenose on a wind up. Sven, Bruce or Mick? Honestly? Frying pan, fire springs to mind.  No, I don't agree with them.  That's the beauty of free speech I guess, they are allowed their opinions.

You don't have to agree with them but to say they're not proper Villa fans is wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cardinal Blackshirt on May 06, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
I'm no fan of McLeish and this season has been dreadful to say the least. All the talk is of him staying. If that's the case then Lerner has to seriously invest in the team..this can't go on. Also business has to be done sooner rather than deadline day - this team has needed serious rebuilding for some timeI live in East Lancs and this has the Balckburn Rovers situation written all over it. 12 months ago stay up by the skin of their teeth, poor investment..going down tomorrow. Unless Randy takes action it will happen to us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 06, 2012, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: mikeb1982 on May 06, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
I'll keep going down because a) I support the Villa and b) I like my seat and don't want to lose it when the good days come back.
Did you get value for money going to the home games this season? Yea I understand the whole die hard supporter aspect, but who is actually willing to spend their hard earned money to go to games and come away from thinking "that was fucking awful, I don't want to see us play negatively and for the draw, I want to be excited and see us play for the win".

I admire your persistence, but I won't be going whilst that clown is still manager. Home games are just too unbearable.

I entirely agree, it's been an obligation, a persistent weekend wrecker.  It really is more to do with my seat, behind the goal in the Holte Upper, I've been there for years, know everyone around me and I'll struggle to get it back when demand for ST's picks back up. 

I also honestly believe that next season can't be any worse, even if McL is still in charge he'll have no slack and the board will have to act.  I don't think it will come to that though, he'll be gone in a month
Let's hope so.

You've got a really good seat where you're at so giving that up in some form of boycott would not be worth it! It's kind of sad that the likes of Alex McLeish has got to me so much to the point that I don't really want to go back to Villa Park until he's gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 06, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
For the first time this season i dont give a fuck! My brother in law has three cancer probs, one in the liver, one in the ribs and one in throat,so today has put my life back into perspective. He is a Spurs fan and has been all his life. this bloke has been a roadeeeeeeeeey for the Stones, The WHO, and Pink Floyd and today he cannot walk two steps without being out of breath,he is only fucking 57 years old and a top bloke. So Bollocks to Mc Useless and all the under performing wankers we pay for to play " football". Give me a break will you? 28 fucking years of the Villa,home ,away,reserve games and then i fuck off to a different country and watch this shite! Can somebody tell me why Mc-USELESS punched the air after todays game?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 09:30:13 PM
Sorry to hear about your brother, Dan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 06, 2012, 09:46:22 PM
Some prat has just pm'd me on twitter saying Cammoli's going to be installed as Chief Execute and wait for it....John Gregory as DOF. Obviously my source isnt on planet earth.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on May 06, 2012, 09:51:41 PM
From the OS

By Paul Brown

Alex McLeish watched Villa all but clinch Barclays Premier League safety following their draw against Tottenham and admitted: "It's been as tough a season as I've had in football."

Villa just need to avoid an incredible goal difference swing on the final day at Norwich to guarantee top-flight football again in 2012-13.

McLeish was understandably relieved to have led the claret and blues to the cusp of the finishing line.

The manager hailed his players for showing determination and desire to earn the point against the Champions League-chasing aristocrats from the capital.

But he revealed he would be assessing the squad after the season end and putting a plan in place for next term.

He said: "Relief is probably the emotion I have right now. Saying that we have another game and we have to prepare properly and try to win.

"We conceded a soft penalty in this one and then lost a wee bit of composure and they looked threatening.

"But we held our nerve and concentrated fully until the end of the game. I thought the determination and attitude of the players was fantastic.

"They coped great and showed a lot of bottle. I am not looking for players who can't handle the pressure. We need players here who can go in front of the crowd and express themselves.

"Overall, it's been a tough season, as tough as I've had. I knew the challenge I was taking on. But going through it is always different from what people tell you. You have to experience it.

"I have stood up in the face of adversity all season. I am proud to be intact and not thrown myself off a bridge or something.

"Certainly when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality.

"I thought we might have problems of our own. I knew we had a young back-up squad. Many of the young lads weren't really ready but hopefully it will stand them in good stead in terms of fighting to get in the squad next season.

"I would certainly look to strengthen the squad for next season.

"Assessment for next season has been ongoing. We've been assessing it every single week. We've got to start putting a plan of action in place.

"If I can go through that, I will have to have a crack at the big time and try and enhance the quality of the squad.

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players. I am not going to again next season though. They better get their fingers out.

"I think Randy will be pretty pleased with today's outcome. He's been very supportive in texts over the last few days which indicates great support for me.

"I'd expect to be here next season and hope to win over the dissenting Villa fans. But I need to get a consistent team on the pitch.

"I think the Villa fans in general have been excellent. I met some nice people at the dinner the other night. I felt the guys were genuine, they knew what I was working with.

"This season we have taken the plunge into the reduction of wages, hopefully helped the finances a little bit. But it has put us through the mill, no doubt about it, but we're planning and we can rise."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 06, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 06, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Can somebody tell me why Mc-USELESS punched the air after todays game?

Well he didn't at the final whistle - the camera panned straight to him and it was just hand shakes and then blew a kiss and waved to someone in the stands (probably his wife).

I'm no AML fan but lets not start hammering him for things he hasn't done - there's plenty of ammo without all that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on May 06, 2012, 09:57:16 PM
You can't help feeling a bit sorry for him. Well I can't anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on May 06, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Well done for not throwing yourself off a bridge Alex, I mean it must be tough to be a football manager earning £2 million a year, that is some serious hardship to deal with.

Unbelievable. I feel sick at the thought of another year of this garbage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:00:28 PM
Fuck me I hope that doesn't mean he's definitely staying. I know people 'ITK' don't believe him when he tells them he thinks he's staying, but my God I hope he hasn't been assured anything. He's possibly the worst manager the club's ever had, he can't possibly fucking stay.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 10:09:18 PM
I'm not convinced he's going to be given the tin tack because it would mean Lerner changing his whole direction. I think while most would agree we should be higher, i'm not sure how much higher and to convince the proverbial miracle worker to come in and build a decent side on free transfers and the youth is going to take persuasive powers i don't think we have. The further thinning out of the squad last summer was clearly a cut too far. Indeed people like Carlos who've helped keep us up would have been on thier bikes if the club had their way, and yet i've heard no admission from the likes of faulkner that they got it wrong. Its time Lerner was honest with us, and if he's totally skint or is no longer that interested then tell us - we may actually cope with that. Coming out with bobbins like we're aiming for europe and we're gonna be the Ajax of the midlands just makes them look silly and makes the manager look even worse than he is
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
If we keep AM it will be a staggeringly stupid decision.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 06, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
If we keep AM it will be a staggeringly stupid decision.
Agreed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
If we keep AM it will be a staggeringly stupid decision.

Appointing him was bad enough.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 06, 2012, 10:19:44 PM
lets face it, we arnt going to keep him are we

on every level possible there is not one good reason to say 'yeah, i think he's done OK, lets give him another season'

his comments mean he wont resign, he's looking for the big pay off, pretending he's done a good job keeping Villa in the prem.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 06, 2012, 10:21:31 PM
There was a lot of chat on twitter about Comoli being there today actually. I watched moneyball last night, and isn't Comoli sold on that in football. I just hope Lerner does not think that is a cheap way to rebuild, following that philosophy. There are ways to build cheaply through proper scouting, but you need an inspirational tactically astute manager to put it all together. McLeish ain't that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Guardian: 'McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Yes Alex, because it's not like you've spent the whole season blaming injuries, blaming referees, blaming 'bad luck', constantly blaming the youngsters for, apparently, not being good enough, blaming the board for not giving you more money, blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations. No, you've definitely taken the weight off the players' shoulders. Just fuck off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on May 06, 2012, 10:23:06 PM
I was hoping he would be gone by now, he is one thick skinned fooker, he isn't wanted it is obvious press fans etc and his whole demina is not my fault no problem, I'm worried he's staying
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Guardian: 'McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Yes Alex, because it's not like you've spent the whole season blaming injuries, blaming referees, blaming 'bad luck', constantly blaming the youngsters for, apparently, not being good enough, blaming the board for not giving you more money, blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations. No, you've definitely taken the weight off the players' shoulders. Just fuck off.

Spot on.
He's already got his excuses ready.
He's a highly paid "manager" FFS.
So MANAGE, Alex, MANAGE. Not MISMANAGE!
Or F**K OFF!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 06, 2012, 10:27:51 PM
I'd have a surprisingly thick skin too if it meant getting a fat pay-off for not walking away.  I'd happily let people shout abuse at me all day long if it meant I'd never have to lift a finger again for the rest of my life.

He'll be gone in a fortnight, don't worry about that.  Worry about his replacement instead.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 06, 2012, 10:28:30 PM
For 2 million a year I would have the skin of a rhino.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 10:29:43 PM
Quote
McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Oh dear. Make him stop.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 10:32:28 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 06, 2012, 10:27:51 PM
I'd have a surprisingly thick skin too if it meant getting a fat pay-off for not walking away.  I'd happily let people shout abuse at me all day long if it meant I'd never have to lift a finger again for the rest of my life.

He'll be gone in a fortnight, don't worry about that.  Worry about his replacement instead.


aye. You can see Curbishley being a shoe in. The only managers who will do the job under current restrictions are yes-men desperate for a job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 06, 2012, 10:28:30 PM
For 2 million a year I would have the skin of a rhino.

for that money I would  have the foreskin of a Rhino  :o
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jonc73 on May 06, 2012, 10:36:43 PM
I feel like the only one but feel certain he's staying.what evidence is there that Randy Lerner listens to fans or makes good decisions?Why would he get rid now Villa are safe?

AM is staying so some people will have to come to terms with that
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 06, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on May 06, 2012, 10:36:43 PM
I feel like the only one but feel certain he's staying.what evidence is there that Randy Lerner listens to fans or makes good decisions?Why would he get rid now Villa are safe?

AM is staying so some people will have to come to terms with that
I truely hope you're wrong about that. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on May 06, 2012, 10:36:43 PM
I feel like the only one but feel certain he's staying.what evidence is there that Randy Lerner listens to fans or makes good decisions?Why would he get rid now Villa are safe?

AM is staying so some people will have to come to terms with that


he's certainly a very good shield for Lerner that's for sure. Mebbe that was the idea....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jonc73 on May 06, 2012, 10:48:51 PM
AM won't get another job like this-he won't resign.

Lerner appears to favour making bizzare decisions and then sticking with them

I will be amazed if AM leaves this summer

The one positive thing (I'm trying) is that if AM stays then he should know what he needs to do with the squad. Another new manager is also risky.Maybe,just maybe things might start looking up if there is a complete overhaul in the summer.

Paul Lambert would really give me some optimism just genuinely can't see it happening so why torture myself!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Guardian: 'McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Yes Alex, because it's not like you've spent the whole season blaming injuries, blaming referees, blaming 'bad luck', constantly blaming the youngsters for, apparently, not being good enough, blaming the board for not giving you more money, blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations. No, you've definitely taken the weight off the players' shoulders. Just fuck off.

Strong feelings, Monty.  I cannot remember you posting anything in a similar vein before.  Like me, you have obviously had enough of this man.  So much for him being a nice guy etc.  With McLeish it is all Me, Me, Me.  I cannot remember once this season when he has come out and said he had made a mistake, a defeat was down to him etc.  He has always put the blame down to one of the many things you have listed.

Mr Lerner, either sack this apology for a football manager or sell the club to somebody who does give a f***.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 10:55:35 PM
Quote from: jonc73 on May 06, 2012, 10:48:51 PM
The one positive thing (I'm trying) is that if AM stays then he should know what he needs to do with the squad. Another new manager is also risky.Maybe,just maybe things might start looking up if there is a complete overhaul in the summer.

What on his CV since he came to England makes you believe this???
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Strong feelings, Monty.  I cannot remember you posting anything in a similar vein before.  Like me, you have obviously had enough of this man.  So much for him being a nice guy etc.  With McLeish it is all Me, Me, Me.  I cannot remember once this season when he has come out and said he had made a mistake, a defeat was down to him etc.  He has always put the blame down to one of the many things you have listed.

Mr Lerner, either sack this apology for a football manager or sell the club to somebody who does give a f***.

Quite right OMVF. We hear all about how he's such a good guy, but I'm afraid all this says to me, combined with his preferred method of approaching games, is that he's really quite a coward. Saying he isn't because he isn't resigning, well, he's got a lot to gain by not resigning, namely financially - and if refusing to do the right thing for your own financial gain isn't cowardice, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: glasses on May 06, 2012, 11:10:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Strong feelings, Monty.  I cannot remember you posting anything in a similar vein before.  Like me, you have obviously had enough of this man.  So much for him being a nice guy etc.  With McLeish it is all Me, Me, Me.  I cannot remember once this season when he has come out and said he had made a mistake, a defeat was down to him etc.  He has always put the blame down to one of the many things you have listed.

Mr Lerner, either sack this apology for a football manager or sell the club to somebody who does give a f***.

Quite right OMVF. We hear all about how he's such a good guy, but I'm afraid all this says to me, combined with his preferred method of approaching games, is that he's really quite a coward. Saying he isn't because he isn't resigning, well, he's got a lot to gain by not resigning, namely financially - and if refusing to do the right thing for your own financial gain isn't cowardice, I don't know what is.
It perhaps isn't cowardice, but it is greed, which still doesn't make him a 'nice guy'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.


well the main thing suggesting he's staying is he's bought a player for next season. Putting side wanting him out, it seems a bit mad to let him sign someone a new guy may not want. We've signed enough of them already over the last few years, and its contributed both to the debts and the decline of the team
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: clash city rocker on May 06, 2012, 11:12:20 PM
The most unforgiveable thing about his first season in charge is the fact that we have not even tried to compete in some games, giving up before the game has even started. No matter what the gulf in class is that is totally unacceptable. The likes of Exeter and Crawley in recent years have turned up at big games and given their all.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 06, 2012, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Guardian: 'McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Yes Alex, because it's not like you've spent the whole season blaming injuries, blaming referees, blaming 'bad luck', constantly blaming the youngsters for, apparently, not being good enough, blaming the board for not giving you more money, blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations. No, you've definitely taken the weight off the players' shoulders. Just fuck off.

Speaking to my Blues mate about McLeish blaming everyone but himself. By his third season at Blues, he was still saying it wasn't his team that he was working with.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Quote
It perhaps isn't cowardice, but it is greed, which still doesn't make him a 'nice guy'

So then, NO MORE Mr Nice Guy !
F Off.
Now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: FatSam on May 06, 2012, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
If we keep AM it will be a staggeringly stupid decision.

Appointing him was bad enough.

Exactly.

Unfortunately Lerner et al inspire very little confidence - there is frankly, no plan.

Don't get me wrong, I think Lerner's heart is in the right place. I think he has ambition, but understandably can't sustain the financial losses that we have incurred over recent years indefinitely. Living within our means doesn't need to be the end of the world, but intelligent strategic decisions need to be made, and I don't have any faith that they will be.

For example, if you need to implement a programme of austerity, don't start by paying over the odds for a mediocre manager! What did they see in McLeish that made them think 'we really need to headhunt this guy'?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 06, 2012, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on May 06, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 10:14:03 PM
If we keep AM it will be a staggeringly stupid decision.
Agreed.
It would be the 3rd time i'd be shocked about him. Appointing him and not sacking him mid season being the other 2.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2012, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 06, 2012, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 06, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Guardian: 'McLeish, who was relegated with Birmingham last season, claimed not to have heard the supporters' chants calling for him to go but the Scot added: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."'

Yes Alex, because it's not like you've spent the whole season blaming injuries, blaming referees, blaming 'bad luck', constantly blaming the youngsters for, apparently, not being good enough, blaming the board for not giving you more money, blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations. No, you've definitely taken the weight off the players' shoulders. Just fuck off.

Speaking to my Blues mate about McLeish blaming everyone but himself. By his third season at Blues, he was still saying it wasn't his team that he was working with.

God, I remember that. He really is pathetic. Completely pathetic, spineless manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:15:47 PM
Quote

Speaking to my Blues mate about McLeish blaming everyone but himself. By his third season at Blues, he was still saying it wasn't his team that he was working with.

Can you IMAGINE - THREE seasons of that s##t ?
I'd rather watch Cricket.
(& I HATE Cricket !)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.


well the main thing suggesting he's staying is he's bought a player for next season. Putting side wanting him out, it seems a bit mad to let him sign someone a new guy may not want. We've signed enough of them already over the last few years, and its contributed both to the debts and the decline of the team

So are you saying that if he stays and buys 5 or 6 players in the summer, he should not be sacked after 10 matches if we are bottom of the table just because another manager may not want those players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 06, 2012, 10:28:30 PM
For 2 million a year I would have the skin of a rhino.

for that money I would  have the foreskin of a Rhino  :o

for that money, Mate - you'd SUCK the foreskin of a Rhino !  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on May 06, 2012, 11:20:30 PM
We are staying up.  The worse could be around the corner.  Just imagine if he is allowed another season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 06, 2012, 10:28:30 PM
For 2 million a year I would have the skin of a rhino.

for that money I would  have the foreskin of a Rhino  :o

for that money, Mate - you'd SUCK the foreskin of a Rhino !  ;D

to be honest for less :o
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.


well the main thing suggesting he's staying is he's bought a player for next season. Putting side wanting him out, it seems a bit mad to let him sign someone a new guy may not want. We've signed enough of them already over the last few years, and its contributed both to the debts and the decline of the team

So are you saying that if he stays and buys 5 or 6 players in the summer, he should not be sacked after 10 matches if we are bottom of the table just because another manager may not want those players.

of course not but it would mean someone with similar ideas would have to come in. We had Martin 'o Hoof, then we veered to the other end of the football philosophy spectrum with Houllier and straight away half the team were not his sort of players and we struggled, then we veered back the other way to Mcleish and the more skillfull players have suffered or been dumped/sold. I'm struggling to work out how another possesion and passing minded manager is gonna make more of the likes of Dunne, collins, hutton and warnock than houllier did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:36:04 PM
I was getting stick from a few for daring to suggest (late on) to the bench to LEAVE A MAN UP at corners... 1 player draws 2 of theirs & they were already a player down... it just meant when / IF we cleared they were able to come back at us immediately. We provided no threat on the break. Hoofed it up AFTER Heskey went off, no -one to recieve. CLUELESS, these two... Grant issuing orders that clearly confuse the players.  Spurs WANTED it more - we NEEDED it more & I (for one) was relieved with the point... Can't watch more of this crap - the Club MUST know where the problem lies & he MUST go. Take N'zogbia with you, - Hutton too. And Heskey.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.


well the main thing suggesting he's staying is he's bought a player for next season. Putting side wanting him out, it seems a bit mad to let him sign someone a new guy may not want. We've signed enough of them already over the last few years, and its contributed both to the debts and the decline of the team

So are you saying that if he stays and buys 5 or 6 players in the summer, he should not be sacked after 10 matches if we are bottom of the table just because another manager may not want those players.

of course not but it would mean someone with similar ideas would have to come in. We had Martin 'o Hoof, then we veered to the other end of the football philosophy spectrum with Houllier and straight away half the team were not his sort of players and we struggled, then we veered back the other way to Mcleish and the more skillfull players have suffered or been dumped/sold. I'm struggling to work out how another possesion and passing minded manager is gonna make more of the likes of Dunne, collins, hutton and warnock than houllier did.

There seems no sensible reason to keep him as manager then.  Get rid now and bring in a new manager who starts with a clean slate and can move on the players that are out of contract or who are in their last year.  This may be the last year when an older player can move on and get a decent contract at another club.  I can see players' wages dropping by 20-25% within the next 2 years for other than the real top players.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
Yet again, MOTD get it wrong - Shearer saying it won't work for McLeish here because he's ex-Blues. At least when McLeish gets the flick that myth might start to die.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 11:41:47 PM
fuck off shearer you dont know what your talking about you indenial baldy geordie twat ::)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chris Harte on May 06, 2012, 11:42:06 PM
Alan Shearer was just on MoTD talking shit, saying when Villa play badly the fans are blaming where the manager comes from. *fume*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: German James on May 06, 2012, 11:42:36 PM
 >:( I don't know where else to post this... That c*** Shearer reckons that "Alec" will never succeed at the Villa "because of where he came from". Clueless twat!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
The MOTD pundits reaffirming that the reason it wont work is because we 'hate' him because of the Blues connection. 

It hasn't got my goat until now.  Fuck right off you patronising wankers and look at the league table, the amount of dross our team has produced and then re-evaluate your opinion. 

Maybe I"ll write an open letter to the BBC. 

Or just go to bed. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:43:31 PM
MoTD just now :  "so much hatred against McLeish because of Blues" [q. A. Shearer]

Not quite, Alan ... so much hatred because he's incompetent, blames everyone / everything else for HIS crap football
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see the media turn on McLeish, they sense blood and sackings/new managers make news.

I have just listened to Perry Groves on Footbal First and he first reeled off the stat of lowest number of home wins in a season and then went on to McLeish's record with Blues and us of only a goal a game, saying that is not good enough for a team like Villa.

I do not believe for a second that Groves knew these facts before and was clearly primed by Sky.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 06, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
If all I was paid to do was talk about football I'd like to think I'd have a bit more of a clue than these idiotic 'pundits'.

Presumably Shearer missed the 'worst home season EVER' stat?!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
I just posted about the Shearer comment in the post-match thread. He really is a know nothing twat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 06, 2012, 11:47:23 PM
Quote from: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 06, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
If all I was paid to do was talk about football I'd like to think I'd have a bit more of a clue than these idiotic 'pundits'.

Presumably Shearer missed the 'worst home season EVER' stat?!

Perhaps Shearer just qualified as the Worst Pundit of the Season. Another clueless twat.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AV82EC on May 06, 2012, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on May 06, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 06, 2012, 07:22:49 PM
Well, if we end with him next season it's almost a case of getting up with what we deserve.
Today we had the chance to show the club how we feel about the manager, but other than a few half arsed chants at full time, most people sighed, shrugged and then left the ground.
If you can't be bothered to stay,stand up and let your feelings be known then dont moan next year when the twat is still here.
Apathy rules ok !!!!

Not renewing my season ticket until he's gone will be a rather more solid reminder to the board than standing up and shouting a few chants at the end of the match.
I'm certainly having a go at you, but, are you saying that you would prefer to stop doing something that is probably in your blood rather than stand up and shout that you don't agree with the way the club is being led and you want to see change ?


We all have our own ways to deal with these things.  I've done this before, I walked out in 1998, my protest against Ellis, and didn't return to Villa Park for 6 years, when for the next 3 seasons it got even worse!!!  The only thing these people understand is money, withdraw it, its the only way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: FatSam on May 06, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
What is the point of getting Shearer to comment on McLeish's situation? He obviously doesn't have any kind of insight into how or why Villa supporters feel about McLeish, whether there is any consensus etc. In fact he doesn't have a fucking clue. It's a different situation to that of Bruce at Sunderland. McLeish is Scottish FFS, and isn't a BCFC supporter. He just happens to be a very limited football manager. No mention of it being our worst home record ever for example.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 06, 2012, 11:49:44 PM
Even Savage seems to have worked it out now. Though Savage has actually bothered to watch us as part of his punditry duties.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 06, 2012, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:12:00 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 06, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
How do people know that McLeish is staying? He's hardly going say in an interview that he's a dead man walking, when he's got hefty compensation coming. I predict a sacking, a week today.


well the main thing suggesting he's staying is he's bought a player for next season. Putting side wanting him out, it seems a bit mad to let him sign someone a new guy may not want. We've signed enough of them already over the last few years, and its contributed both to the debts and the decline of the team

So are you saying that if he stays and buys 5 or 6 players in the summer, he should not be sacked after 10 matches if we are bottom of the table just because another manager may not want those players.

of course not but it would mean someone with similar ideas would have to come in. We had Martin 'o Hoof, then we veered to the other end of the football philosophy spectrum with Houllier and straight away half the team were not his sort of players and we struggled, then we veered back the other way to Mcleish and the more skillfull players have suffered or been dumped/sold. I'm struggling to work out how another possesion and passing minded manager is gonna make more of the likes of Dunne, collins, hutton and warnock than houllier did.

There seems no sensible reason to keep him as manager then.  Get rid now and bring in a new manager who starts with a clean slate and can move on the players that are out of contract or who are in their last year.  This may be the last year when an older player can move on and get a decent contract at another club.  I can see players' wages dropping by 20-25% within the next 2 years for other than the real top players.

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: phantom limb on May 06, 2012, 11:54:30 PM
To be fair Shearer does have form for not watching games, not knowing who foreign players are and generally not knowing what's going on. I still had to stop myself from pushing my fingers into my eyes when he proclaimed that all Villa fans don't like Alex McLeish because he came from Birmingham City. How about because of four wins at home for a start, you massive bald bellend?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 06, 2012, 11:58:20 PM
we should ban these pundits  from our games until they fucking show some proper knowledge of our clubs situation before taliking about us . superficial tossers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 06, 2012, 11:58:26 PM
'Grant issuing orders that clearly confuse the players.' Is that the case Dr. Feelgood? Has anybody else picked up on that? That's really bad at this level.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Left Side on May 07, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
I thought I lip-read AM saying to Grant (whilst sat down and Grant was stood up) that he had told the f@#king players that order and they don't listen, I wasn't shocked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
I just posted about the Shearer comment in the post-match thread. He really is a know nothing twat.

And the comment of our lovely Lee about Given: " the keeper had to make save after save".
He made TWO.
They didn't bother watching the game and like bad journos simply make up what they don't know.
TWATS!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 12:06:41 AM
Any one coming in has got one hell of a job on his hands, we probably need 6 players just to get to a mid table team.
Dunn Collins Warnock Nzogbia Hutton need to be shippped, add Cuellar who is off any way. No one knows when or if Petrov will return.
So a new defence, strengthening the midfield and sorting the striker situation out.
It is pretty obvious that this wil not be sorted in one transfer window. It looks like a pretty big mess.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: phantom limb on May 06, 2012, 11:54:30 PM
To be fair Shearer does have form for not watching games, not knowing who foreign players are and generally not knowing what's going on. I still had to stop myself from pushing my fingers into my eyes when he proclaimed that all Villa fans don't like Alex McLeish because he came from Birmingham City. How about because of four wins at home for a start, you massive bald bellend?

Along the lines of 'not where you come from but where you are taking us', they are MOTD pundits because who they were, not what they have to say.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
I just posted about the Shearer comment in the post-match thread. He really is a know nothing twat.

And the comment of our lovely Lee about Given: " the keeper had to make save after save".
He made TWO.
They didn't bother watching the game and like bad journos simply make up what they don't know.
TWATS!

Probably because they've had the chance to spunk off about their respective 'teams' and how well they've done this season, so anybody outside of that tunnel vision isn't worth the research.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.

heh. who that would want Dunne would pay him 40k a week? The clubs who would look at him would be pushing the boat out at 30k, so straight away thats 20k a week he's lost on his last year with us - a cool million. I'd stay put if i was him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 12:09:27 AM
It needs a Manager with an eye for a bargain I guess.  Plenty of decent players from the clubs going down.  Firstly, Lerner needs to decide on the Manager.  The rest can wait.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: The Left Side on May 07, 2012, 12:01:18 AM
I thought I lip-read AM saying to Grant (whilst sat down and Grant was stood up) that he had told the f@#king players that order and they don't listen, I wasn't shocked.
Surely the talking is done down at BH and well before the players go out.
So why do they spend so much time screaming at players during the game?
Grant is the main culprit but AM was at it today in spite of his promise to keep a low profile.
Frustration is one thing; blaming the players for your shit tactics, organisation and selection is slightly different.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
I just posted about the Shearer comment in the post-match thread. He really is a know nothing twat.

And the comment of our lovely Lee about Given: " the keeper had to make save after save".
He made TWO.
They didn't bother watching the game and like bad journos simply make up what they don't know.
TWATS!
They are not journos, they are ex players on the BBC gravy train, as you say TWATS
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 12:10:30 AM
Shearer is an imbecile who can barely string a sentence together so no one should take him seriously. I am sure he has watched as many Villa games this season as the amount of hairs on his head.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
Quote from: 1_Pablo_Angel on May 06, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
If all I was paid to do was talk about football I'd like to think I'd have a bit more of a clue than these idiotic 'pundits'.

Presumably Shearer missed the 'worst home season EVER' stat?!
How Shearer gets work as a pundit, I just don't know. He's shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.

heh. who that would want Dunne would pay him 40k a week? The clubs who would look at him would be pushing the boat out at 30k, so straight away thats 20k a week he's lost on his last year with us - a cool million. I'd stay put if i was him.

That's why I said ... and perhaps a pay off of £1m from the Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Maybe he's still bitter about that messiah banner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on May 07, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Shocking stuff from Shearer and Lineker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 07, 2012, 12:12:49 AM
I've just sent a complaint in. Childish but satisfying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 12:12:52 AM
If he were to go, someone would give Dunne 50k a week, probably QPR.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 12:13:17 AM
Well Lineker will be bitter that we denied his beloved Spurs a win plus the fact he was never good enough to score at Villa Park.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on May 07, 2012, 12:13:21 AM
Time for the BBC to get rid of Shearer after his comments. Clearly knows fuck all about why AM has pissed us off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2012, 11:45:51 PM
I just posted about the Shearer comment in the post-match thread. He really is a know nothing twat.

And the comment of our lovely Lee about Given: " the keeper had to make save after save".
He made TWO.
They didn't bother watching the game and like bad journos simply make up what they don't know.
TWATS!
They are not journos, they are ex players on the BBC gravy train, as you say TWATS
I said "like bad journos", not that they were journos. They are "experts".
Whatever the fuck that means!
Most of us on here could do a better job but we're not called Alan Shearer!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
We need to get a few villa men onto the tv.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
We need to get a few villa men onto the tv.
Volunteers?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 07, 2012, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 12:06:41 AM
No one knows when or if Petrov will return.


i can't see Stan coming back. After what he's going through- and at his age (2 more yrs. max ?) i think he'll be more focussed on LIFE & Family, rather than football ... plus - not sure how it works, but - if he 'retires through ill health", my guess is the Insurance will have to cover loss of (potential) earnings. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.

heh. who that would want Dunne would pay him 40k a week? The clubs who would look at him would be pushing the boat out at 30k, so straight away thats 20k a week he's lost on his last year with us - a cool million. I'd stay put if i was him.

That's why I said ... and perhaps a pay off of £1m from the Villa.

so say a bolton or a fulham agree to buy him and we pay him off with a million, how much are we selling him for? and seeing we have to buy a replacement in what way has it saved us any money? he's 32 and has been shit for 2 years.  million? one and a half?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 07, 2012, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 07, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
We need to get a few villa men onto the tv.
Volunteers?

 ;) MON ?    :-\  but he'd be out of the Studio half way through the programme....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
"I expect to be here next season". Does anyone else find that an odd thing to say?  If he been truly back by Randy Lerner it wouldn't be an issue to discuss with any interested reporter.

Jeez, 7 wins in 37 games.  4 wins at home all season, 3 away.  Bolton, in the bottom three and highly likely to go down, have won 10 games. Is it 37 goals in as many games? Only Stoke have scored less.  Terrible, vile, horrible record.  No Manager should survive that sort of record. Crowds dropping to an average gate of 33,000, is that the lowest this century? Unless Randy and Fauilkner are complete and utter idiots, we'll get rid of this Manager quickly and efficiently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 07, 2012, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: Newby on May 07, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
"I expect to be here next season". Does anyone else find that an odd thing to say?  If he been truly back by Randy Lerner it wouldn't be an issue to discuss with any interested reporter.

Jeez, 7 wins in 37 games.  4 wins at home all season, 3 away.  Bolton, in the bottom three and highly likely to go down, have won 10 games. Is it 37 goals in as many games? Terrible, vile, horrible record.  No Manager should survuve that sort of record. Crowds dropping to an average gate of 33,000, is that the lowest this century?

If he IS here next Season, there'll be a few (more) thousand who won't be... the Club MUST realise that.
He's history
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:33:17 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.

heh. who that would want Dunne would pay him 40k a week? The clubs who would look at him would be pushing the boat out at 30k, so straight away thats 20k a week he's lost on his last year with us - a cool million. I'd stay put if i was him.

That's why I said ... and perhaps a pay off of £1m from the Villa.

so say a bolton or a fulham agree to buy him and we pay him off with a million, how much are we selling him for? and seeing we have to buy a replacement in what way has it saved us any money? he's 32 and has been shit for 2 years.  million? one and a half?

The quicker these players are out of here, the sooner we can rebuild.  If we can sell, say, Dunne for £1.5m and pay him off £1m, we have £0.5m towards a new player and possibly £0.5m a season saved in wages and hopefully a better player.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:44:59 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:33:17 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:22:52 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 07, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 06, 2012, 11:50:13 PM

hmmm. nice idea but we ain't shifting the likes of Dunne till their contracts run out. they won't get anything like what they're on here elsewhere. The only logical explantion for Mcleish being taken on in the first place, was his style of football could get the best out of the unsellables. It hasn't worked but i don't fancy the next guy's chances much either

Don't Dunne, Collins and Warnock only have one year left on their contracts.  In their position, what would you prefer one more year on £50k and then uncertainty and dropping down to £35k on a short contract or moving on for £40k and a 3 year contract and perhaps a pay off of £1m from Villa.

With Cuellar going and Heskey out of contract and possibly two of the above going, that would be a massive wages pot to use to rebuild the squad for a new manager.

heh. who that would want Dunne would pay him 40k a week? The clubs who would look at him would be pushing the boat out at 30k, so straight away thats 20k a week he's lost on his last year with us - a cool million. I'd stay put if i was him.

That's why I said ... and perhaps a pay off of £1m from the Villa.

so say a bolton or a fulham agree to buy him and we pay him off with a million, how much are we selling him for? and seeing we have to buy a replacement in what way has it saved us any money? he's 32 and has been shit for 2 years.  million? one and a half?

The quicker these players are out of here, the sooner we can rebuild.  If we can sell, say, Dunne for £1.5m and pay him off £1m, we have £0.5m towards a new player and possibly £0.5m a season saved in wages and hopefully a better player.

I agree but makes you wonder if these deals are possible why haven't we done them before? We basically stuck a For Sale sign on Cuellar, a far better player and yet we had no takers, not to mention the MFH's, NRC's ,Sidwell's, Beye's etc.., Maybe they'd rather get them free in a year or for peanuts at christmas?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dribbler on May 07, 2012, 12:53:59 AM

I was just thinking, as so many other managers and 'pundits' seem to think that McLeish has done such an amazing job considering everything he's had to contend with over the last season, that maybe a club might come in for him and pay us compensation to take him off of our hands?

Condisering what a brilliant job he has done in steering us to safety no doubt clubs will be queueing around the block to solicit him. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Dribbler on May 07, 2012, 12:53:59 AM

I was just thinking, as so many other managers and 'pundits' seem to think that McLeish has done such an amazing job considering everything he's had to contend with over the last season, that maybe a club might come in for him and pay us compensation to take him off of our hands?

Condisering what a brilliant job he has done in steering us to safety no doubt clubs will be queueing around the block to solicit him. 

Absolutely right, given that he's got the players to punch above their weight and grab so many draws from winning positions.  He's not a negative Manager at all though you know?

22 points Vill have lost from winning positions. Useless wanker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on May 07, 2012, 01:13:40 AM
I think this is only the halfway point in the 'McLeish at Villa' story, things are going to get a lot worse before he finally departs. Lerner and Faulkner are living in a different dimension where they think he's a nice bloke doing his best and 'the fans' don't know what's good for them. They are so naive that they think if we start next season with two wins then 5000 fans will come flooding back to Villa Park and all it will take is a couple of signings and a free transfer or two to make it happen.

If he's in any doubt, Lerner will ask Fergie for advice and get another letter advising us to stick with McLeish for the long haul. The nightmare continues...

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 02:19:17 AM
I've been out tonight and was praying he'd be gone by now, obviously not. So I reiterate he's got to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 07:51:13 AM
The scary thing is I am more convinced that we are stuck with the useless lump for another season. And if not sacking him with 38 points, 4 home wins all season, 7 in total etc, then what hope do we have of them binning him next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 07:57:14 AM
I've just read the match report on the OS.He's staying isn't he?

Oh Christ.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 07, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
The club's senior management have clearly bought into the excuses - small squad, a lot of youth, injuries, key players gone. It's the same rubbish lapped up by the media, topped off with the blues link as to why the villa fans are being unreasonable. It's not true but I can understand why people have bought that, it's neat and tidy.

But what it ignores are other facts - defensive tactics, inability to beat teams when the squad was fully fit, heskey, giving up on games before they even start, the poorest home record in the clubs history, serious flirtation with relegation. The fans cling to these facts as unequivocal evidence McLeish is out of his depth.

The truth is probably between the two. I think he's here for another season, at least for the start of it. How utterly depressing.

Lerner is destroying the club, because for all the good off-the-pitch stuff he has done, he hasn't got a clue about how to run a football club in terms of football. And things at the villa will not improve until he recognises thus or leaves.

From my point of view, the lack of football knowledge at the board level is the problem more than McLeish is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: aev on May 07, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/06/aston-villa-alex-mcleish

Interesting stuff...almost pleading to be kept on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 07, 2012, 08:20:44 AM
He had a text off Randy,how sweet.
Even the owner doesn't want to hear his bullshit anymore.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: themossman on May 07, 2012, 08:37:18 AM
Won't be thrilled if he stays but I have come back to my original position of wanting new players more than a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 07, 2012, 08:49:59 AM
ive been going the Villa for 50 years and if mcshite is still the manager come the new season i will not be going until hes fecked off
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 07, 2012, 08:51:11 AM
Shall we write an open letter to the BBC, and tell them that we don't hate Shearer because of where he comes from, but because he's by far and away, and without a shadow of doubt, the worst and most contemptible pundit in the history of the universe?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 07, 2012, 08:57:07 AM
Quote from: ev on May 07, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/06/aston-villa-alex-mcleish

Interesting stuff...almost pleading to be kept on.

I would say that it's disturbing rather than interesting. It's very difficult to establish whether he actually believes this nonsnese or whether he's just playing the part and waiting for a pay off. If he were to say that that he didn't think he'd be here for the new season, then it may weaken his position when it comes to negotiating his severence pay.

The 'players need to get their finger out' comment is just disgusting. It's been clear from this season that player motivation is not one of his strengths and you can see why from comments like this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 07, 2012, 09:08:54 AM
After reading that interview, it sounds like McLeish is going nowhere.

Never underestimate the stupidity of Blandy and Faulkner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.
Constantly talking about the elite clubs and stating that we can't compete is not befitting of an Aston Villa manager.Keeping us up was no achievement given the squad he had for most if the season Disgraceful
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 07, 2012, 09:08:54 AM
After reading that interview, it sounds like McLeish is going nowhere.

Never underestimate the stupidity of Blandy and Faulkner.
My thoughts exactly The fact that the OS I'd talking about plans for next season speaks volumes for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 07, 2012, 09:21:41 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 09:13:20 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 07, 2012, 09:08:54 AM
After reading that interview, it sounds like McLeish is going nowhere.

Never underestimate the stupidity of Blandy and Faulkner.
My thoughts exactly The fact that the OS I'd talking about plans for next season speaks volumes for me.


If that is the case and they are prepared to fly in the face of both results and the wishes of the vast majority of the fans then they are going to have a very rough ride next season and they’ll alienate a large proportion of our fan base to boot.

It is a very foolish man that does not see that regular sub 30k gate at Villa Park are a very bad thing indeed.

I’m still hopeful that commonsense will prevail.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 07, 2012, 09:23:08 AM
I'm hoping that McLeish's comments in interviews are just to make sure he gets his payoff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on May 07, 2012, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.

He has NOT conducted himself  with the manner befitting an Aston Villa manager. At numerous  occasions  he has made disgraceful remarks making our great club sound like "a small time backward making up numbers barely existing  in the League of GIANTS club".

The man should NOT be thanked for keeping us in the Premier League he should be admonished for nearly ruining us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 09:27:14 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 07, 2012, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.

He has NOT conducted himself  with the manner befitting an Aston Villa manager. At numerous  occasions  he has made disgraceful remarks making our great club sound like "a small time backward making up numbers barely existing  in the League of GIANTS club".

The man should NOT be thanked for keeping us in the Premier League he should be admonished for nearly ruining us.




 pay me 2 million a year and  I can show you dignified negativity  :P
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 09:30:17 AM
Those advocating protests probably suspect Lerner and co. are more than a bit thick and need a constant reminder of what the fans think about McLeish.  If he's still here in August, having signed a load of deadwood, and then takes us into the bottom 5 by September, at least those mocking and belittling the protest organizers as classless, attention seekers etc.  can look themselves in the mirror and say "we got the manager we deserve".   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 07, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.
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Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.

Best wind up of the week.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 07, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.
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Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 07, 2012, 09:00:32 AM
Despite the venomous hate endured this season, AM has always conducted himself with the utmost professionalism and dignity befitting a manager of Aston Villa. I thank him for keeping us in the Premier league under extreme circumstances and wish him all the best whatever happens over the summer.

Best wind up of the week.


yes 3 cheers big eck hip hip .....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 07, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 07, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
From my point of view, the lack of football knowledge at the board level is the problem more than McLeish is.

Absolutely correct. McLeish must go, of that there's no doubt. But unless the board can appoint someone who understands football there's every reason to believe we'll have another farcical manager search and another brainless appointment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villasjf on May 07, 2012, 09:46:41 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
The MOTD pundits reaffirming that the reason it wont work is because we 'hate' him because of the Blues connection. 

It hasn't got my goat until now.  Fuck right off you patronising wankers and look at the league table, the amount of dross our team has produced and then re-evaluate your opinion. 

Maybe I"ll write an open letter to the BBC. 

Or just go to bed. 
Were we the last ones on again? That must be an unwanted record too. I have always got the video/DVD seasons review since 1988 but what would they put on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
No question mcleish must go but faulkner must go too!
The club has gone backwards at alarming speed since the day paul faulkner arrived in B6.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
Keeping him on would be suicide.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: villasjf on May 07, 2012, 09:46:41 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
The MOTD pundits reaffirming that the reason it wont work is because we 'hate' him because of the Blues connection. 

It hasn't got my goat until now.  Fuck right off you patronising wankers and look at the league table, the amount of dross our team has produced and then re-evaluate your opinion. 

Maybe I"ll write an open letter to the BBC. 

Or just go to bed. 
Were we the last ones on again? That must be an unwanted record too. I have always got the video/DVD seasons review since 1988 but what would they put on it.


extended coverage of the end of season party i would have thought, most attacking footage  ::)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
From the OS

But he revealed he would be assessing the squad after the season end and putting a plan in place for next term.

He's not going anywhere
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
From the OS

But he revealed he would be assessing the squad after the season end and putting a plan in place for next term.

He's not going anywhere

Pinch of salt- houllier and garry mac were saying the same things last may- mcleish will be gone within a fortnight!

Randy was hardly going to say to him 'im going to sack you at the end of the season '- the manager is usually in the dark until the axe falls!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 07, 2012, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
Keeping him on would be suicide.


I keep trying to understand the logic behind this. The only thing I can possibly imagine is that Lerner is determined to stick by his man, like Manure did with Siralex and Faulkner honestly believes that the protests against McLeish are a storm in a teacup which will blow over when it comes to season ticket renewal time.
They have either conducted a very vigorous research campaign to assess whether there will be a significant drop off in attendances (bearing in mind how many season ticket holders have already been approached about renewal) or they are keeping their fingers crossed that loyalty will prevent a calamitous crash in attendances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 10:00:06 AM
Houllier would still be here if he hadn't got ill.

I'm assuming the club don't enjoy winding up fans for the sake of it. I think they're going to plough on regardless of what we think .Faulkner must spin Randy a load of bullshit just to save his own skin
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2012, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 10:00:06 AM
Houllier would still be here if he hadn't got ill.

I'm assuming the club don't enjoy winding up fans for the sake of it. I think they're going to plough on regardless if what we think

I don't think he would. I think the board were shitting themselves at what Houllier wanted to do, and his illness gave them the get out they were looking for.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 07, 2012, 10:07:24 AM
I think the club genuinely believe 1) that he has done a good job based on injuries etc 2) that although fans threaten not to buy season tickets, they always do in the end. So they will keep him on expecting 1) mid to upper table finish next year 2) no loss of revenue. Wrong x2 in my opinion, but they won't be too worried by that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 07, 2012, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: villasjf on May 07, 2012, 09:46:41 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 06, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
The MOTD pundits reaffirming that the reason it wont work is because we 'hate' him because of the Blues connection. 

It hasn't got my goat until now.  Fuck right off you patronising wankers and look at the league table, the amount of dross our team has produced and then re-evaluate your opinion. 

Maybe I"ll write an open letter to the BBC. 

Or just go to bed. 
Were we the last ones on again? That must be an unwanted record too. I have always got the video/DVD seasons review since 1988 but what would they put on it.

We were the last on as far as I know, I went to bed in a huff.

I do think the club needs to heed it's most valuable asset (us) a little bit more.  If they persist with Alex Mcleish it will, as Paulie suggests, be suicidal on a coupe of levels.  Firstly, there will be a further schism between Lerner and Villa fans.  It's not just a noisy minority waving placards anymore, it's all but a few from the looks of it who now consider AM a dead man walking.  So a(nother) PR disaster and more perceived dithering. 

More importantly, we may well not survive another season of his stewardship.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 07, 2012, 10:16:44 AM
Perhaps the board feel that McLeish has done what they asked. He's accepted the conditions under which he has to work and he's kept us in the division. A quick call to our chief advisor, Alex Ferguson, will confirm that keeping McLeish is the right thing to do. As a reward he'll get more funds to spend next season. They'll even give him some of the Darren Bent money. We'll give the aristocrats of Tottenham and elite teams like Liverpool and Newcastle a game next season, you wait and see. Who knows, we might even finish in the top half. A great achievement for a club of our size.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 07, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
he hasnt done what they expected or wanted, no where near.

he'l be on his way sometime in the days after the Norwich match
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
he hasnt done what they expected or wanted, no where near.

he'l be on his way sometime in the days after the Norwich match

I hope you're right mate, I really do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:05:37 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 10:00:06 AM
Houllier would still be here if he hadn't got ill.

I'm assuming the club don't enjoy winding up fans for the sake of it. I think they're going to plough on regardless if what we think

I don't think he would. I think the board were shitting themselves at what Houllier wanted to do, and his illness gave them the get out they were looking for.
The only reason they were shitting themselves is because GH was looking to spend big in the summer.It is well documented he had various targets lined up,nothing to do with his performance as a manager.AM is a dream for Randy,a complete yes man
I really hope Randy is actively looking for a buyer
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
Why wouldn't we be last on MOTD? I don't enjoy watching us and don't expect others to suffer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 07, 2012, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 10:22:42 AM
Why wouldn't we be last on MOTD? I don't enjoy watching us and don't expect others to suffer.

Agreed, a neutral would avoid us like the plague at the moment.  Us and Stoke.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 07, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
he hasnt done what they expected or wanted, no where near.

he'l be on his way sometime in the days after the Norwich match

I hope you're right mate, I really do.


i'm always right mate,

 unless me missis says i'm not obviously
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: john e on May 07, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
he hasnt done what they expected or wanted, no where near.

he'l be on his way sometime in the days after the Norwich match


absolutely, Faulkner was talking in terms of Big Eck  challenging for Europe possibly

what happened Laurel and Hardy ? :-[
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 07, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
From the Guardian:

Staying up is not something Aston Villa fans should be celebrating

One of the great joys of the league format is that surviving relegation is so often celebrated like a championship trophy. Despite a creditable 1-1 draw with Spurs, there was no such jubilation at Villa Park. Perhaps the overwhelming emotion was simple, inglorious relief, as the home side secured their Premier League status, barring a mathematical miracle. The sense of a narrow escape is borne out by the statistics: Villa were dominated, scraping 37% possession, and creating four chances to Spurs' 22.

Despite the footballing gods apparently being with their team today, Villa capitulated. With Spurs reduced to 10 men, Richard Dunne's needless challenge gave Spurs an easy route back into the game, following Ciaran Clark's fortunate opener. Villa have now dropped 22 points from winning positions this season. Had they never relinquished a lead, Alex McLeish's side would be one point behind Chelsea. If that were the case, furiously daubed banners would be in short supply in the Holte End.

The reality is that Villa have scored fewer than all but Stoke, and have won fewer games than doomed Blackburn. It is possible they will fail to reach 40 points, surviving only by others' shortcomings. McLeish has been fighting an uphill battle since his move across the second city, yet he has done little to stem the tide of ill feeling. He has introduced several young, promising players, yet they have transferred from a vibrant, successful youth team to a dispirited first XI that is ritualistically set up simply to avoid defeat.

One protest sign unveiled at full time summed the fans' feelings up: "It's not where you came from, it's where you're taking us." For now at least, the destination seems to be nowhere, rather than down. There may be hope for renewal somewhere amidst the frustration and recriminations, but McLeish seems the wrong man to lead the recovery
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 07, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
If I was gonna put money on which team has been last on MOTD more than any other this season, I'd put it on us. We've been hideous to watch, and we've wrecked most games we've played this season by being so unadventurous.

If he's still manager next season, I'll shit a lung. Can't take another season of struggle. We've lost Carlos, a decent 1st team player. We'll probably lose Bent in Jan at the latest, but likely the summer.

The way things have gone, I don't see us having the same run of lucky results we did early season this season. The 7 game unbeaten run has just about kept us up, but we were incredibly fortunate in a lot of those games. Likewise we've snatched a few wins, like Fulham, Wolves which we could easily, and nearly did, drop points.

If McLeish is in charge I think we'd struggle from Sept-May. It could be truly, horrendously, embarrassing come the end. We'd struggle to hit 30 points. Never mind being relegated, we could be propping up the table. I don't think that's an exaggeration in any way shape or form either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
It's heartening to at least see that the national press are getting the real picture.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 07, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: supertom on May 07, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
We've lost Carlos, a decent 1st team player. We'll probably lose Bent in Jan at the latest, but likely the summer.


A sad sight at yesterday's game was Carlos's dejected body language at the end of the game when he handed his shirt into the Holte. Hopefully he will have a good run back in Spain. A decent player that didn't really get a full chance to express himself at the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 10:40:45 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
It's heartening to at least see that the national press are getting the real picture.
Shame the people that can actually do something about it arent
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 07, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
It's heartening to at least see that the national press are getting the real picture.

MOTD didn't yesterday. They still banged on about the manager having a hard time because of his Blues connection.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 07, 2012, 10:43:02 AM
Spot on Supertom. I'd go as far to say that we'd finish bottom with McLeish next season. I'm confident that he's off though and I think he already knows that, despite his ridiculous comments about being at Villa next season. Money is only thing keeping him glued to that bench.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2012, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 07, 2012, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
It's heartening to at least see that the national press are getting the real picture.

MOTD didn't yesterday. They still banged on about the manager having a hard time because of his Blues connection.

That's why I said 'press'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 07, 2012, 10:54:07 AM
Good job it's only 38 games these days.  With 42 we'd have gone down for sure.

I was heartened by the Club statement last week as I thought there was a genuine inference that the Board acknowledged that this ewasn't good enough but wanted to get us to the end of the season still in the PL.

Maybe it was my heart and not my head reading the statement, but Randy will be making a massive mistake if he doesn't make a change.  Anything other will be dereliction of duty imo.

We just dodged a bullet this time.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 07, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 07, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
From the Guardian:

Staying up is not something Aston Villa fans should be celebrating

One of the great joys of the league format is that surviving relegation is so often celebrated like a championship trophy. Despite a creditable 1-1 draw with Spurs, there was no such jubilation at Villa Park. Perhaps the overwhelming emotion was simple, inglorious relief, as the home side secured their Premier League status, barring a mathematical miracle. The sense of a narrow escape is borne out by the statistics: Villa were dominated, scraping 37% possession, and creating four chances to Spurs' 22.

Despite the footballing gods apparently being with their team today, Villa capitulated. With Spurs reduced to 10 men, Richard Dunne's needless challenge gave Spurs an easy route back into the game, following Ciaran Clark's fortunate opener. Villa have now dropped 22 points from winning positions this season. Had they never relinquished a lead, Alex McLeish's side would be one point behind Chelsea. If that were the case, furiously daubed banners would be in short supply in the Holte End.

The reality is that Villa have scored fewer than all but Stoke, and have won fewer games than doomed Blackburn. It is possible they will fail to reach 40 points, surviving only by others' shortcomings. McLeish has been fighting an uphill battle since his move across the second city, yet he has done little to stem the tide of ill feeling. He has introduced several young, promising players, yet they have transferred from a vibrant, successful youth team to a dispirited first XI that is ritualistically set up simply to avoid defeat.

One protest sign unveiled at full time summed the fans' feelings up: "It's not where you came from, it's where you're taking us." For now at least, the destination seems to be nowhere, rather than down. There may be hope for renewal somewhere amidst the frustration and recriminations, but McLeish seems the wrong man to lead the recovery
What a fantastic summing up of our plight,don't they read unbiased comments from the national press?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Surrey Villain on May 07, 2012, 10:55:10 AM
It looks like we've got another 7 days of hope before the truth gradually takes our body and soul like a cancer - he is not being sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
I'm not one for mindless protest, but I think now we're safe those going next week should dedicate the entire 90 minutes to leaving the club with no doubt as to what course of action they should take following the final whistle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
You would hope that Randy and Paul will be sitting down in the next couple of days to discuss who to bring in next. McLeish has made an absolute pigs ear of things this season and keeping him on would make no sense on or off the pitch. He did sound too confident for my liking on WM yesterday, but let's hope it was nothing more than the fact that with a microphone shoved in front of his face, he could'nt really say much else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 07, 2012, 11:01:37 AM
Well if Randy really needs telling any more other than what he's already heard and the seaosn record then he's more clueless than I think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
He's getting the sack in the same way that Randy was never going to give him the job in the first place
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 11:05:19 AM
We're safe, barring a miracle, this season, so...McLeish out. A truly incompetent, clueless manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TonyD on May 07, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
Don't buy season tickets. Simple
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on May 07, 2012, 11:14:07 AM

Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:38:38 AM
It's heartening to at least see that the national press are getting the real picture.

Yes very good article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 07, 2012, 11:18:39 AM
Good summary of our plight in that Guardian article. For me the most telling bit is: "He has introduced several young, promising players, yet they have transferred from a vibrant, successful youth team to a dispirited first XI that is ritualistically set up simply to avoid defeat." McLeish in a nutshell.

I've been saying all season that he was given 2 objectives - get the wages down and keep us in the PL.  Lerner and Faulkner will be happy he's achieved those targets regardless of what he's destroyed along the way, and the horror is that he'll still be here come August.  Probably with Heskey on a contract extension just to rub it in the faces of us fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
I'm not one for mindless protest, but I think now we're safe those going next week should dedicate the entire 90 minutes to leaving the club with no doubt as to what course of action they should take following the final whistle.

Quite agree, so the Norwich game should be spent giving McLeish 90 minutes of non-stop disapproval.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 07, 2012, 11:38:57 AM
I'm more in favour of having a few drinks, juggling beach balls and laughing at middle aged men in fancy dress costumes. The anti McLeish stuff will follow anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 07, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 07, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
I'm not one for mindless protest, but I think now we're safe those going next week should dedicate the entire 90 minutes to leaving the club with no doubt as to what course of action they should take following the final whistle.

Quite agree, so the Norwich game should be spent giving McLeish 90 minutes of non-stop disapproval.


Correct, I'm almost to the point where I hope Norwich beat us comfortably just to highlight how bad he is. He must go or we are absolutely fucked next year. If they keep him the club and the fans will be more a less completely at odds, and that cannot happen for a club to succeed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 07, 2012, 12:04:12 PM
I'll be gutted if he's still in charge come next Bank Holiday weekend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: ev on May 07, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/06/aston-villa-alex-mcleish

Interesting stuff...almost pleading to be kept on.

I cannot believe he has the temerity to say "But with planning we can rise. At the clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, I've done well." - ask genuine Blues fans how well he did!!!!

His CV reads PL seasons 4 - 19th, 9th, 18th and possibly 16th.

Please tell me where in that record can he say he did well in the context of being a manager that can achieve the aims of a club like Aston Villa.

The season the Blues finished 9th was the 1st season bounce of a promoted club and then they only scored 38 goals.

Also, he bangs on about having to cut the wage bill through the season.  I have not seen him do much about this.  Young had gone and Downing was on his way before he arrived.  Alright, he let Reo-Coker, Friedal, L Young, Makoun and a couple of others go but brought in Given, N'Zogbia, Hutton and Jenas on high wages.  He failed to get rid of the under performing high wage earners like Dunne, Warnock, Collins, Beye, Heskey etc.  If he had achieved that he might have had some more money to spend on the key area of central midfield.  Something he failed to recognise.  Sorry, chose to ignore because when he was manager last season at Blues he saw that as our weakness in all our games against them.

I am not having a go at any supporters on here but with an owner and a CEO that say very little, how come many seem to know what there plans are for the future.  To say that it is a done deal and McLeish is staying on is half way to accepting it.  Well, sorry, I will not accept it.  The man does not have the ability to manage Aston Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 12:17:17 PM
Has Kendrick said anything else yet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 07, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
From the Guardian:

Staying up is not something Aston Villa fans should be celebrating

One of the great joys of the league format is that surviving relegation is so often celebrated like a championship trophy. Despite a creditable 1-1 draw with Spurs, there was no such jubilation at Villa Park. Perhaps the overwhelming emotion was simple, inglorious relief, as the home side secured their Premier League status, barring a mathematical miracle. The sense of a narrow escape is borne out by the statistics: Villa were dominated, scraping 37% possession, and creating four chances to Spurs' 22.

Despite the footballing gods apparently being with their team today, Villa capitulated. With Spurs reduced to 10 men, Richard Dunne's needless challenge gave Spurs an easy route back into the game, following Ciaran Clark's fortunate opener. Villa have now dropped 22 points from winning positions this season. Had they never relinquished a lead, Alex McLeish's side would be one point behind Chelsea. If that were the case, furiously daubed banners would be in short supply in the Holte End.

The reality is that Villa have scored fewer than all but Stoke, and have won fewer games than doomed Blackburn. It is possible they will fail to reach 40 points, surviving only by others' shortcomings. McLeish has been fighting an uphill battle since his move across the second city, yet he has done little to stem the tide of ill feeling. He has introduced several young, promising players, yet they have transferred from a vibrant, successful youth team to a dispirited first XI that is ritualistically set up simply to avoid defeat.

One protest sign unveiled at full time summed the fans' feelings up: "It's not where you came from, it's where you're taking us." For now at least, the destination seems to be nowhere, rather than down. There may be hope for renewal somewhere amidst the frustration and recriminations, but McLeish seems the wrong man to lead the recovery

Great article and how most Villa fans see it.

I believe that more of the media will start to report like this over the coming weeks.  Some of them will be genuine and others will jump on the bandwaggon as they sense the blood of a possible manager sacking as, afterall, it makes news and sells newspapers etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
An afternoon of ' one paul lambert' and ' sack mcleish my lord ' should get the message across nicely!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 07, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
Didn't Norwich decide to get Lambert when they were stuffed by Lambert's team 7-1?!

Now I don't for one minute want us to be on the end of a 7-1 hiding but it would be nice if history repeated itself in some respects.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 07, 2012, 12:36:15 PM
I would take a 7-1 one thrashing if it meant paul lambert taking over from mcleish as a result!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 07, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: ev on May 07, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/06/aston-villa-alex-mcleish

Interesting stuff...almost pleading to be kept on.

I cannot believe he has the temerity to say "But with planning we can rise. At the clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, I've done well." - ask genuine Blues fans how well he did!!!!

His CV reads PL seasons 4 - 19th, 9th, 18th and possibly 16th.

Please tell me where in that record can he say he did well in the context of being a manager that can achieve the aims of a club like Aston Villa.


There are three issues here though.

1. He was chased and recruited by AVFC, knowing full well what his PL record was like.
2. He has probably achieved his remit this season by keeping us in the PL.
3. If RL doesn't act now it will show they think he's done and good job, and will no doubt entrust him next season to not be relegated again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: stuart r on May 07, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Interesting quote from the McLeish/Guardian interview at the end: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: stuart r on May 07, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Interesting quote from the McLeish/Guardian interview at the end: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."


Hopefully you won't need to Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 07, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: ev on May 07, 2012, 08:07:36 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/06/aston-villa-alex-mcleish

Interesting stuff...almost pleading to be kept on.

I cannot believe he has the temerity to say "But with planning we can rise. At the clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, I've done well." - ask genuine Blues fans how well he did!!!!

His CV reads PL seasons 4 - 19th, 9th, 18th and possibly 16th.

Please tell me where in that record can he say he did well in the context of being a manager that can achieve the aims of a club like Aston Villa.


There are three issues here though.

1. He was chased and recruited by AVFC, knowing full well what his PL record was like.
2. He has probably achieved his remit this season by keeping us in the PL.
3. If RL doesn't act now it will show they think he's done and good job, and will no doubt entrust him next season to not be relegated again.

1.  If the club really felt like the statement made by the General, they thought he could do a far better job and were getting another Moyes - they have now seen that his Blues career was par for the course.
2.  Was his remit to keep us up or to try and achieve PF's target of Europe
3.  Realistically, Lerner has 4-6 weeks to make the change and it depends on how he wants to play it, sack straight away or sound out a few managers first.

Hopefully, the club have learned a few things over the last 2 years.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mellin on May 07, 2012, 01:37:02 PM
"Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."

I think everyone should just take a minute to digest that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 07, 2012, 01:46:04 PM
just looking at the table in print in the paper.

played 37 won 7 ..   That is f***** awful  , no manager can survive not being sacked after that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on May 07, 2012, 01:37:02 PM
"Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."

I think everyone should just take a minute to digest that.

I have and I have just thrown up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on May 07, 2012, 01:37:02 PM
"Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."

I think everyone should just take a minute to digest that.

I have and I have just thrown up!

But been too scared to set foot out of the dugout for 2 games...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on May 07, 2012, 01:37:02 PM
"Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."

I think everyone should just take a minute to digest that.

I have and I have just thrown up!

But been too scared to set foot out of the dugout for 2 games...

Ah, that's what he means, then!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 07, 2012, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 07, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: stuart r on May 07, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Interesting quote from the McLeish/Guardian interview at the end: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."


Hopefully you won't need to Alex.

what a burden being manager of Aston Villa Football Club it must be. Let's hope like the club relieve him of the stress soon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 02:03:05 PM
It is absolutely imperative that Mcleish is not in the job at the start of next season. He's been an unmitigated disaster and we have scraped survival by the finest of margins, we won't be that lucky next year with him in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 02:15:16 PM
Delusional idiot:

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"It has put us through the mill, no doubt about it, but we're planning and we can rise. At clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, we've done well.

"If I can go through that this season, I will have to have a crack at the big time and try to enhance the quality of the squad."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Even if he brings in half a dozen players this summer, if he gets off to anything but a really positive start next season, playing a different style of football to the shit we have witnessed this season, the fans will be on his back after just a few games.  His position is untenable and just a result away from a big protest at any stage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 07, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
If the nightmare scenario plays out and he is still in charge next season VP won't be pleasant. I can see parallels with Blackburn - escaped relegation last season by the skin of their teeth, spent a whole season protesting against an unpopular (and Scottish!) manager, clueless owners, low crowds, and ultimately likely relegation. If he's still here insert AVFC for BRFC next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on May 07, 2012, 02:17:03 PM
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Asked whether he thought he would be given another chance, McLeish replied: "I don't know. There's not been any indication that we need an urgent meeting. I guess Randy [Lerner, the owner] will be pretty pleased with today's outcome because he's been very supportive in his texts over the last few days, which indicates great support. But you never know. I would expect to be here next season and I hope to win over the dissenting Villa fans. But I've got to get a consistently winning team on the pitch.

I hope Randy is not pretty pleased that we have avoided relegation and that will do from now on.

Alex you have not managed to consistently win in 4 seasons in the PL. You can and have consistently won in the Scottish PL and the Championship. That is where you should ply your trade.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 02:17:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 07, 2012, 02:15:16 PM
Delusional idiot:

Quote
"It has put us through the mill, no doubt about it, but we're planning and we can rise. At clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, we've done well.

"If I can go through that this season, I will have to have a crack at the big time and try to enhance the quality of the squad."

What he's gone though this season he's mainly brought on himself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 07, 2012, 02:17:57 PM
Another quote from the Guardian  "But with planning we can rise. At the clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, I've done well. If I went through that [this season], I've got to have a crack at the big time, when we can try and enhance the quality of the squad."

Proper planning? The guy is getting more deluded,I'd say he had proper planning at Blues after finishing ninth with them,then we all know what happened the following season. Seeing him interviewed, he looks like a man who knows what his fate is,and i don't think it'll be as our boss next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Didn't he say something about jumping off a bridge yesterday? What an insult to those of us who have been touched by suicide. He's one of the top twenty paid managers in world football. Perspective please Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: berneboy on May 07, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 07, 2012, 02:17:57 PM
Another quote from the Guardian  "But with planning we can rise. At the clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, I've done well. If I went through that [this season], I've got to have a crack at the big time, when we can try and enhance the quality of the squad."

Proper planning? The guy is getting more deluded,I'd say he had proper planning at Blues after finishing ninth with them,then we all know what happened the following season. Seeing him interviewed, he looks like a man who knows what his fate is,and i don't think it'll be as our boss next season.

He's playing with his CV for his next job.

I hope
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 07, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: stuart r on May 07, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Interesting quote from the McLeish/Guardian interview at the end: "Listen, I've taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season and I was happy to take the pressure off of the players. I'm not doing that again next season. They'd better get their finger out."


Hopefully you won't need to Alex.

Don't people attribute Ferguson's success to his reluctance to blame his players? He always found another scapegoat and always publicly defended his players and kept criticisms internal. That was one of the  main failures of Houllier, both at Anfield and Villa Park. He publicly hung his players out to dry. McLeish has been doing that too. Surprise Sir Ferguson never taught him that key attribute.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
Everything he comes out with is embarrassingly delusional, just fuck off Alex you are a joke.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 02:28:39 PM
With proper planning you've done well?  Three relegation scraps in fours years? Unless of course, that's what you've planned for?

Please don't waste our time flouting your Scottish football CV because we all know that their league is the equivalent of League One. Perhaps that's the sort of standard where you belong.  Such utter rubbish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 07, 2012, 02:30:47 PM
with proper planning means that he didn't properly plan this season. I don't really care about the ones before. This is the biggest job he is ever going to get and if what he is saying suggests he didn't take it seriously then he should be ashamed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheEgo on May 07, 2012, 02:32:12 PM
I'm still holding out in hope of a buy out. The remit was to keep us in the premier league, full stop. Now we're safe the Arabs can ride into town and save the day. Hence Randy being really pleased and McCleish wanting a crack at the "big time" a man can hope right?!......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on May 07, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 07, 2012, 02:28:11 PM
Everything he comes out with is embarrassingly delusional, just fuck off Alex you are a joke.

And we only hear from him once or twice a week, imagine having him as your boss, working with him day in day out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
" when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality."

I specifically remember when he took the job him saying that he had and I quote "a cracking squad here" The man is an out and out liar
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
" when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality."

I specifically remember when he took the job him saying that he had and I quote "a cracking squad here" The man is an out and out liar

Excuse ridden bollocks as usual, he's a joke. 'Possibility of lower half' is also not very nearly relegated.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 07, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
From Sporting Life, with an outrageous quote from Merse included:

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Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish will demand a big improvement from his players next season after effectively making sure of avoiding relegation from the Barclays Premier League with one game remaining.

Villa's 1-1 home draw with Tottenham on Sunday lifted them three points clear of Bolton and there would have to be an unlikely 17-goal swing on the final day for the midlands club to go down.

McLeish can point to a shortage of experience, a lengthy injury list, blooding too many youngsters and having to drastically reduce the wage bill as mitigating circumstances.

But the former Birmingham boss will still expect better during 2012/13.

He said: "We are assessing next season. It's all been ongoing. We've been assessing it every single week. We've got to start putting a plan of action in place.

"Listen, I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.

"I am not going to again next season though. They had better get their finger out.

"We've had to be in a bit of a dogfight all season.

"Our early-season form wasn't too bad but, since the New Year, we've had problems to contend with injury-wise.

"To lose two of your most experienced players (Darren Bent and Richard Dunne) for such a long time will hurt any team."

McLeish has struggled to win over the Villa fans and there were again calls for his sacking in some quarters after Sunday's clash with Harry Redknapp's side.

But he said: "I think the Villa fans in general have been excellent. I met some nice people at the end-of-season dinner the other night.

"I felt the guys I met were genuine, they knew what I was working with. If I get that kind of understanding, then great."

McLeish added: "I would certainly look to be strengthening the squad for next season.

"This season we have taken the plunge into the reduction of wages. It's hopefully helped the finances a little bit.

"It has put us through the mill, no doubt about it, but we're planning and we can rise. At clubs I've worked with before, with proper planning, we've done well.

"If I can go through that this season, I will have to have a crack at the big time and try and enhance the quality of the squad.

"At the end of the day, it's down to the players."

McLeish received backing from Redknapp who said: "Alex has had a hard season here. The league is getting tougher, everyone is having a go.

"They need to have a bit of a go next year to try and get back to where they were to give Alex a chance otherwise it's a hard.

"Villa keep producing good young players and have got a fantastic youth set-up.

"But Alex needs one or two players to strengthen his team."

Former Villa midfielder Paul Merson claimed: "If Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger were in charge, Villa would still be where they are."

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 03:09:01 PM
That is an horrendous article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 07, 2012, 03:10:38 PM
Good heavens.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
Is Merson for real or is he taking the piss?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: James on May 07, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
From Sporting Life, with an outrageous quote from Merse included:

Quote

Former Villa midfielder Paul Merson claimed: "If Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger were in charge, Villa would still be where they are."


The football fraternity defending one of their own.

The only critical analysis you get these days from the media is where the person is not an ex player.  Even then there are only a few that give deep unbiased analysis.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2012, 03:18:13 PM
I love Merse but blimey how many had he had to drink when he said that? What a nonsense thing to say. No wonder he did'nt suceed as a manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Paul Merson
Former Villa midfielder Paul Merson claimed: "If Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger were in charge, Villa would still be where they are."

I think he means the club would still be located in B6....which is probably true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 07, 2012, 03:18:52 PM
Quote from: Paul Merson on May 07, 2012, 03:06:28 PM

"If Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger were in charge, Villa would still be where they are."


So sad to see that he's clearly back on the bottle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
Am I the only one imagining all the pundits and managers, etc meeting up regularly with secret handshakes like some masonic order of stupidity?  It's the only way I can explain the fact that all these so called 'experts' keep spouting such nonsense.

If I had the patience to hunt down the quotes I'd love to compare everything he's said in the last few weeks to quotes from the start of the season.  Back then we had talk of europe, the great squad and the excellent youngsters, now we're where he expected, have a shit squad and the kids are all average and not ready.

The final comment about protecting the players is the most blatent bullshit I've heard from him.  I can think of 5-6 times this season, off the top of my head, where he has singled out players as responsible for us losing games.  I remember it being said about Baker, Ireland, Clark and Nzogbia at various times (although from memory he's never blamed Dunne, Hutton or Warnock who have been the guys regularly making the mistakes).  I guess he's more than happy to defend the old school work hard and lump the ball forward players when they fuck up but the guys who have the balls to try playing football don't deserve the same treatment clearly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 07, 2012, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
Am I the only one imagining all the pundits and managers, etc meeting up regularly with secret handshakes like some masonic order of stupidity?  It's the only way I can explain the fact that all these so called 'experts' keep spouting such nonsense.

Problem is, they come to these ridiculous conclusions from afar, they've probably never set foot inside Villa Park this season, so how could they possibly conclude that supporters are keen to crucify McLeish on the back of The Dog Shit connection?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
Merson really is a plank. How anyone employs him as an expert or pundit is beyond me.
I also think he's one of the most overrated Villa players in my time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 07, 2012, 09:49:01 AM
No question mcleish must go but faulkner must go too!
The club has gone backwards at alarming speed since the day paul faulkner arrived in B6.

Yeah, blast those record sponsorship and kit deals.  I think he’s done okay on the commercial sense but without doubt needs help with the footballing side.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will have such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.

If the club want to get rid of McLeish, £4m is not going to swing the decision.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 07, 2012, 04:16:32 PM
Aston Villa 1 Tottenham 1 - Mat Kendrick's big match verdict
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 Alex McLeish making his way to the dugout
ALEX McLeish is relieved...

But until that sentence also includes the words ‘of’, ‘his’ and ‘duties’, few of the Villa Park faithful will relax, given the uncontrollable, unprecedented and unrelenting clamour for his departure.

Villa are virtually safe, McLeish less so, despite the defiant, yet dignified, manner in which the manager vowed to fight on after somehow salvaging Villa’s Premier League status.

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Let’s not pretend otherwise, the man forced to keep his head down in the dugout and clap nervously as he was again jeered out of the stadium yesterday is not in charge of this football club.

It is apathy, anger and annoyance that reign supreme at Villa Park these days. And while McLeish is not entirely the problem, neither is he the solution.

When a Villa boss cannot join an, understandably subdued lap of appreciation for fear of being abused by fans, how can he possibly face another two seasons of probable hostility?

Decisions, decisions. Indeed, the time has come for decision-making as decisive as referee Lee Probert’s yesterday with the Gloucestershire official getting the game’s three big calls spot on, Villa’s non penalty, Spurs’ blatant penalty and Danny Rose’s deserved sending-off.

Probert rightly ruled Younes Kaboul’s shoulder barge on Emile Heskey was not a foul when the goal-shy striker dallied too long over a shot from Stephen Ireland’s slick through-ball, following a sloppy Kyle Walker pass, on 12 minutes.

It came amidst a bright start from Villa whose approach play was encouraging, even if their failure to get bodies in the box somewhat undermined their efforts.

Eventually, Ciaran Clark, previously lacking options from good positions, decided to buy a lottery ticket and well and truly won the raffle with a 30-yarder which deflected off William Gallas, over Brad Friedel and into the net on 35 minutes.

Tottenham threatened through Emmanuel Adebayor, Luka Modric, Gareth Bale and Walker – with that rollcall alone highlighting the disparity between the big boys and paucity of McLeish’s claret and blue resources.

But Villa do possess a top class keeper with Shay Given again proving his worth with a wonderful first-half save to divert a Bale bullet destined for the top corner before the Welsh winger headed wide Rafael Van der Vaart’s cross.

After the break, Probert was precise again with a straight red card for Rose after the defender’s own momentum, and a slight push from Charles N’Zogbia, sent him clattering at full pelt into Alan Hutton’s shin near the touchline.

The former Spurs right-back has his own hard man reputation, which he lived up to when he got to his feet and limped away with a slight shin problem, with most of the crowd expecting him to be stretchered off with a broken leg.

Remarkably, rather than Villa capitalising on the numerical advantage, from the 49th minute onwards it seemed as if they were the ones who were a man short.

For most of the second half, the claret and blues wobbled more than Harry Redknapp’s jowls, especially when Richard Dunne took leave of his senses and chopped down Sandro in the box on the hour mark.

The Spurs midfielder was moving away from goal, just inside the penalty area and, with Villa still set with 10 men behind the ball following a half-cleared corner, was going nowhere.

Until, that is, a rash and needless tackle from Dunne sent him tumbling to the ground and Adebayor calmly sent Given the wrong way from the spot to level the scores.

Cue panic. With nervy Villa clearances sliced into the sky and errant passes finding the opposition, Redknapp’s Champions League chasers piled on the pressure.

Heskey hobbled off, as Heskey does. Weimann came on, but from his only opportunity, a race onto N’Zogbia’s incisive pass, collided with Friedel and soon limped away himself. Nathan Delfouneso was the next and only remaining cab off the rank, but his scoring satnav is as faulty as the rest of the fleet.

Dunne tried to make amends for his penalty concession by nodding wide N’Zogbia’s flag kick – that’s 374 unconverted corners for Villa in the Premier League now with not a single goal scored from that method this season.

It must be some kind of record.

In fact it was a day – and a season – for breaking records as Villa’s deficiencies begin to sound like a broken record.

Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to their lowest ever tally of home wins in a season – four. Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to their lowest Premier League points tally – 41 or less. Failure to beat Spurs condemned the club to the Premier League’s joint highest number of draws – 16. Drawing, drawing Villa were always going to do it by instalments, point by point.

With a little help from their friends – or foes – as Albion’s James Morrison staked as strong a claim as any to be Villa’s player of the year.

Now, unless Bolton score at the goal-a-minute strike-rate they achieved briefly at Villa Park to win at Stoke by something like 17-0 on Sunday, Villa live to fight another day in the top flight.

The Premier League is an elite club Villa are desperate to stay in – not that surviving on the penultimate weekend is an achievement worth celebrating down Broad Street for.

Yet, after the embarrassing ‘Gatecrasher-gate’ episode a week ago, it was another unwanted member of the Villa Park party who once again became the centre of attention amidst sorry scenes at last orders yesterday.

It wasn’t as venomous or as volatile as the hostility which followed the crushing defeat to Bolton 12 days earlier. But loud chants of ‘‘Sack McLeish My Lord’’ resounded around the ground and banners proclaiming ‘‘Football with Eck, is uglier than Shrek’’ accompanied McLeish’s latest trudge to the tunnel.



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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
I am betting that McLeish is still our manager at the start of next season.If he is gone after the Norwich game then that's great but i have a sneaking suspicion that he will still be with us. He has done everything that Lerner and Faulkner have asked, sell best players for huge profit, cut the wage bill, use what resources you already have and keep quiet and just be a yes man. Just a feeling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rico on May 07, 2012, 04:46:14 PM
Did anyone see Match of the day last night? Shearer was spouting the usual nonsense about us not giving him a chance cus of where he's from. Ffs! It virtually the end of the sason and these knobs are still droning on about not giving him a chance cus of his blose connection. Even that pillock Charlie Nicholas was at it the other day. Lazy lazy tv! "It's not where you're from - it's where you're taking us!" Pretty much sums it up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
I am betting that McLeish is still our manager at the start of next season.If he is gone after the Norwich game then that's great but i have a sneaking suspicion that he will still be with us. He has done everything that Lerner and Faulkner have asked, sell best players for huge profit, cut the wage bill, use what resources you already have and keep quiet and just be a yes man. Just a feeling.

Again, I'm fed up of reading this.  I just don't understand why so many fans have gone through this revisionism process to make out that this season is exactly what the board were expecting.  It isn't, just look at the comments that were being made around his appointment, the board thought they were getting someone who could belie his poor record across the city and get us back to playing the way mon did.  They saw a guy who organised a solid defence (his record in this regard is good across his career, he's failed with us mainly due to the terrible form of both fullbacks and a 'good for at least one fuck up a game' central pairing) and scored on the counter attack, saw a squad built for that purpose and thought it would be a good fit.  They failed to account for the one thing mon is great at doing, getting players to give 100% week after week.

There is no chance that the board employed him with the idea being that 15th would be seen as an achievement, that idea is such clear nonsense I can't contemplate how so many fans seem to accept it as an irrefutable truth.  Our board are naive, they're not stupid.  I can understand why they thought it would work, and if it had it'd have saved us millions and avoided a full clear out of the playing squad.  The only question now is whether they think he's had enough mitigating factors to deserve the chance to bring in some more of his own players and clear out some deadwood, or if regardless of all that he's not done a good enough job.  I think the fan concerns will play a part as well though and the responses from the call around about season tickets is probably the decider if they can't make a decision otherwise.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 07, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
100% agree with the above post paul. Faulkner was (laughably) talking of Europe at Xmas.

He's had some bad luck and been let down by some players. There was a spell in the middle of the season when we at least looked good in some games - or for patches of some games. If it was someone I rated before he came, I could see the argument for stability over changing manager again.

 But because blues were so desperately bad to watch, because they still only managed a goal a game even when they finished 9th and because of the absolutely cowardly nature of 90% of our games against top 6 sides, I really think he has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheTimVilla on May 07, 2012, 05:06:51 PM
It's difficult to get to page 121 of this thread and not repeat what has been said before and I'm sure what I'm about to say has been said many times.

But none of the players seem to have learned from their mistakes this season and I would love to know what they do during the week?

For example, do they practise defending set pieces? McLeish was a centre half, specialises in defensive football, yet we look so frail at the back. Do they practise corners that will beat the first man and find a claret and light blue shirt? Do they try tackling in order to avoiding stupid bookings? Do they try passing to each other? Running off the ball?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Doorbell on May 07, 2012, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

Probably more like management anger issues ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 07, 2012, 05:21:32 PM
Quote from: TimVilla on May 07, 2012, 05:06:51 PM
It's difficult to get to page 121 of this thread and not repeat what has been said before and I'm sure what I'm about to say has been said many times.

But none of the players seem to have learned from their mistakes this season and I would love to know what they do during the week?

For example, do they practise defending set pieces? McLeish was a centre half, specialises in defensive football, yet we look so frail at the back. Do they practise corners that will beat the first man and find a claret and light blue shirt? Do they try tackling in order to avoiding stupid bookings? Do they try passing to each other? Running off the ball?

None of the above. I don't think that they look particularly fit this year either. Confidence is obviously at a very low ebb within the sqaud at the moment and I'm sure much of this is to do with the lack of preparation, tactics, style etc.
Mcleish has continually moaned about injuries but I have not seen one game this season which suggests that there is any planning and preparation going on in training.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 07, 2012, 05:33:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 04:57:26 PM
Our board are naive, they're not stupid.
I'm sorry Paul, but employing such an unsuitable and sub standard Manager like McLeish is rank idiocy.
The decisions they have made since O'Neill flounced off go beyond mere naivety.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on May 07, 2012, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 07, 2012, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 07, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
I think I have anger management issues when I read articles like that!

You're not the only one. It's a hard job waiting for Alex to be put out of his misery. Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait until after Norwich, but how can you keep on a manager who's scared to leave his dugout because he knows the consequences if he does? How can you keep a manager who will ave such a catastrophic effect on season ticket sales and attendencies? Randy Lerner is NOT that stupid.

One would think..

but needing change and being able to afford change are two different things. Sacking McLeish won't come cheap at a time where financial responsibility is of the utmost importance.
I am betting that McLeish is still our manager at the start of next season.If he is gone after the Norwich game then that's great but i have a sneaking suspicion that he will still be with us. He has done everything that Lerner and Faulkner have asked, sell best players for huge profit, cut the wage bill, use what resources you already have and keep quiet and just be a yes man. Just a feeling.

Again, I'm fed up of reading this.  I just don't understand why so many fans have gone through this revisionism process to make out that this season is exactly what the board were expecting.  It isn't, just look at the comments that were being made around his appointment, the board thought they were getting someone who could belie his poor record across the city and get us back to playing the way mon did.  They saw a guy who organised a solid defence (his record in this regard is good across his career, he's failed with us mainly due to the terrible form of both fullbacks and a 'good for at least one fuck up a game' central pairing) and scored on the counter attack, saw a squad built for that purpose and thought it would be a good fit.  They failed to account for the one thing mon is great at doing, getting players to give 100% week after week.

There is no chance that the board employed him with the idea being that 15th would be seen as an achievement, that idea is such clear nonsense I can't contemplate how so many fans seem to accept it as an irrefutable truth.  Our board are naive, they're not stupid.  I can understand why they thought it would work, and if it had it'd have saved us millions and avoided a full clear out of the playing squad.  The only question now is whether they think he's had enough mitigating factors to deserve the chance to bring in some more of his own players and clear out some deadwood, or if regardless of all that he's not done a good enough job.  I think the fan concerns will play a part as well though and the responses from the call around about season tickets is probably the decider if they can't make a decision otherwise.
Fully agree with this. Personally I fail to see how they think he has done enough and I thought the statement after the Bolton game was pretty damning about it not been good enough. McLeish is obviously going to sit tight and wait for some kind of deal. If he goes he gets a pay off if he stays he has pretty much said he requires access to funds that he did not have at the beginning of the season. I suspect all is not a bed of roses at Villa Park despite the texts from RL. You do not invest £200m and play Russian roulette, no way something has to give and fans voting with their feet will be a factor.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 07, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
Quote
" when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality."

Just had a quick look through the CVs of our first team squad and it looks like this:
Shay Given – Full international
Brad Guzan – Full international
Alan Hutton – Full international
Stephen Warnock – Full international
Richard Dunne – Full international (Captain)
James Collins – Full international (Captain)
Charles N’Zogbia – Full international
Stephen Ireland – Full international
Darren Bent – Full international
Emile Heskey – Full international
Gabby Agbonlahor – Full international
Mark Albrighton – International U21
Nathan Delfounesu – International U21
Fabian Delph - 2009: Football League Young Player of the Year
Stiliyan Petrov – Full international (Captain)
Ciaran Clark – Full International (Ireland). Also Captain of England U21
Carlos Cuellar - Clydesdale Bank SPL Player of the Year: 2007–08
Barry Bannan – Full international
Chris Herd – International U20

Plus if you add in a sprinkling of talented young players progressing from the vibrant reserve set up and the squad looks full of talented players. For him to suggest now that he thought this squad would finish 11th or lower is despicable. We didn't really have the flair to crack the top 6, but by executing the basics of the game, this squad should have at least another 15 points.
For a manager used to working with idiots and journeymen players, turning up at BH and finding this array of talent must have seemed like Christmas. It just illustrates what a pathetically dismal job he's done in turning this silk purse into a pig's bollock.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 07, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
I think his latest comments are a clear indication that the clown will be here next season. "I think randy will be pretty pleased with yesterday's outcome. He's been very supportive in texts over the last few days, which indicates great support for me" a piece out the mail today.
That doesnt sound like a man who's been told to keep his head down and pick a team till the end of the season followed by a nice little pay off does it? Im convinced they think he's doing a good job which is frightening to say the least.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: garyellis on May 07, 2012, 05:41:58 PM
]Fully agree with this. Personally I fail to see how they think he has done enough and I thought the statement after the Bolton game was pretty damning about it not been good enough. McLeish is obviously going to sit tight and wait for some kind of deal. If he goes he gets a pay off if he stays he has pretty much said he requires access to funds that he did not have at the beginning of the season. I suspect all is not a bed of roses at Villa Park despite the texts from RL. You do not invest £200m and play Russian roulette, no way something has to give and fans voting with their feet will be a factor.

Why not? It makes just as much sense as several other decisions.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 07, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
Quote
" when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality."

Just had a quick look through the CVs of our first team squad and it looks like this:
Shay Given – Full international
Brad Guzan – Full international
Alan Hutton – Full international
Stephen Warnock – Full international
Richard Dunne – Full international (Captain)
James Collins – Full international
Charles N’Zogbia – Full international
Stephen Ireland – Full international
Darren Bent – Full international
Emile Heskey – Full international
Gabby Agbonlahor – Full international
Mark Albrighton – International U21
Nathan Delfounesu – International U21
Fabian Delph - 2009: Football League Young Player of the Year
Stiliyan Petrov – Full international (Captain)
Ciaran Clark – Full International (Ireland). Also Captain of England U21
Carlos Cuellar - Clydesdale Bank SPL Player of the Year: 2007–08
Barry Bannan – Full international
Chris Herd – International U20

Plus if you add in a sprinkling of talented young players progressing from the vibrant reserve set up and the sqaud looks full of talented players. For him to suggest now that he thought this squad would finish 11th or lower is despicable. We didn't really have the flair to crack the top 6, but by executing the basics of the game, this squad should have at least another 15 points.
For a manager used to working with idiots and journeymen players, turning up at BH and finding this array of talent must have seemed like Christmas. It just illustrates what a pathetically dismal job he's done in turning this silk purse into a pig's bollock.

You're missing:
Jean Makoun - Full international
Eric Lichaj - Full international
Nathan Baker - International U21
Andy Weimann - International U21
Ben Seigrist - International U21
Gary Gardner - International U19 (and subsequently U21)

Quick edit:  Delph is capped at england U21 as well

and a handful of other U16, U18 and U19 international prospects.  And even then I'm worried I've missed a few major ones.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Shrek on May 07, 2012, 06:05:18 PM
I'm sorry but the board are Stupid.

ANYBODY who knows anything about football knows Alex McLeish is not a good manager, does not play good football and is incredibly negative.

It was obvious to the whole football world that the appointment wouldn't work, his one good season with blues was down to an outstanding season by the goal keeper of the year Joe Hart, who saved them easily 10-15 points that season.

I'm confident from the statement last week that he will be gone, my only worry is who will they appoint next because they haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 06:05:53 PM
They could hardly do any worse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 07, 2012, 06:09:09 PM
What price another letter of recommendation from Old Trafford and in walks Steve Bruce?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 07, 2012, 06:10:34 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 07, 2012, 05:53:45 PM
Quote
" when I assessed the squad at the start of the season I thought there was a possibility of being in the lower half of the table. Despite the name Aston Villa, it comes down to depth, strength of squad and quality."

Just had a quick look through the CVs of our first team squad and it looks like this:
Shay Given – Full international
Brad Guzan – Full international
Alan Hutton – Full international
Stephen Warnock – Full international
Richard Dunne – Full international (Captain)
James Collins – Full international (Captain)
Charles N’Zogbia – Full international
Stephen Ireland – Full international
Darren Bent – Full international
Emile Heskey – Full international
Gabby Agbonlahor – Full international
Mark Albrighton – International U21
Nathan Delfounesu – International U21
Fabian Delph - 2009: Football League Young Player of the Year
Stiliyan Petrov – Full international (Captain)
Ciaran Clark – Full International (Ireland). Also Captain of England U21
Carlos Cuellar - Clydesdale Bank SPL Player of the Year: 2007–08
Barry Bannan – Full international
Chris Herd – International U20

Plus if you add in a sprinkling of talented young players progressing from the vibrant reserve set up and the squad looks full of talented players. For him to suggest now that he thought this squad would finish 11th or lower is despicable. We didn't really have the flair to crack the top 6, but by executing the basics of the game, this squad should have at least another 15 points.
For a manager used to working with idiots and journeymen players, turning up at BH and finding this array of talent must have seemed like Christmas. It just illustrates what a pathetically dismal job he's done in turning this silk purse into a pig's bollock.

I agree with the conclusion that AML has massively underachieved this season but I do always wonder what calling a player who has played once for his national team a 'full international' proves.

Given the multi-national nature of the Premier League I'd imagine the majority of Premier League clubs could put out 11 internationals on a regular basis.  It doesn't necessarily mean those players are any good (Alan Hutton and Stephen Warnock spring to mind).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on Curbishley, which while being about as unexciting as it gets, would be miles better than Eck
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 07, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on McLeish. The thought fills me with dread, but that's where I think everything (except logic and understanding) is pointing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2012, 06:27:01 PM
Quote from: Rocket Reducer No. 62 on May 07, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on McLeish. The thought fills me with dread, but that's where I think everything (except logic and understanding) is pointing.

Our board and logic and understanding are uneasy bedfellows.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyellis on May 07, 2012, 06:27:16 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: garyellis on May 07, 2012, 05:41:58 PM
]Fully agree with this. Personally I fail to see how they think he has done enough and I thought the statement after the Bolton game was pretty damning about it not been good enough. McLeish is obviously going to sit tight and wait for some kind of deal. If he goes he gets a pay off if he stays he has pretty much said he requires access to funds that he did not have at the beginning of the season. I suspect all is not a bed of roses at Villa Park despite the texts from RL. You do not invest £200m and play Russian roulette, no way something has to give and fans voting with their feet will be a factor.

Why not? It makes just as much sense as several other decisions.
I agree to most of us the decision making looks poor and the lack of football knowledge on the Board has already been debated. The point is they believed they were making an informed decision, they did not expect to escape relegation by the thinnest of margins. They believed McLeish would do better given the quality within the squad. In no way am I defending how they came to that conclusion but what I am saying is it was not random. Unfortunately all the stats point to it being the wrong call and the aftermath does not leave the present manager with any goodwill from the supporters. That is not a good position to be in and to adopt a bunker mentality to me is beyond any sort of reasoning. McLeish's position is untenable they will have to act.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2012, 06:37:33 PM
Even Midlands Today do shit reporting. If the locals can't get it right what chance do we have with the nationals?

Quote from: Midlands Today
Aston Villa fans are calling for manager Alex McLeish to be sacked despite the club being safe from relelgation.

They make it sound like we are ungrateful and should worship the genius that is McLeish who worked a miracle in keeping up little Aston Villa. Tossers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on Curbishley, which while being about as unexciting as it gets, would be miles better than Eck

A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.  Personally I think if our owner was stupid enough to have recruited a manager with such an appalling record in all respects, then he's stupid enough to keep him on.  And that's what I think will happen, sadly.  Paul e, did it not occur to you that all that talk of Europe and good finishes under AM was just PR guff?  They could hardly say "we've brought him in as the ultimate damage limitation exercise with a brief to just keep us in the PL as cheaply as possible".  I suspect that was closer to the case and seems to tally with what McLeish himself says he bought into.  As such, AM has just about fulfilled his part of the bargain, albeit whilst driving away thousands of fans and pissing off almost every other fan (DC5 apart).  I think he's staying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
It went downhill when Alan Towers retired, I got told off for wagging it by Kay Alexander in town the once.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2012, 06:55:48 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on Curbishley, which while being about as unexciting as it gets, would be miles better than Eck

A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.  Personally I think if our owner was stupid enough to have recruited a manager with such an appalling record in all respects, then he's stupid enough to keep him on.  And that's what I think will happen, sadly.  Paul e, did it not occur to you that all that talk of Europe and good finishes under AM was just PR guff?  They could hardly say "we've brought him in as the ultimate damage limitation exercise with a brief to just keep us in the PL as cheaply as possible".  I suspect that was closer to the case and seems to tally with what McLeish himself says he bought into.  As such, AM has just about fulfilled his part of the bargain, albeit whilst driving away thousands of fans and pissing off almost every other fan (DC5 apart).  I think he's staying.

No it doesn't occur to me that was the case, because if it was it's more monumentally stupid than anything else they've done.  Taking an unpopular manager and talking him up as aiming for europe whilst expecting and planning for a relegation battle could never have achieved anything other than massive unrest from the fans.

Again, I think the board have been incredibly naive, I don't think they're stupid.  They wanted 'mon light' and thought that was what they were getting, hence they gave him a long contract on big money to make sure he didn't walk away.  They wanted someone who would get the team back to playing the way we did in getting to 2 cup finals, McLeish won a cup final playing a similar brand of football.

Looking back it looks stupid, and, as fans, we could see that it was going to turn out this way, but that's exactly what I mean by naive.  They see a team (at blues) that haven't conceded many goals, have tried to score on the counter but without a 24m striker finish the chances.  They clearly thought the addition of Bent to a Blues 'system' would be enough to get us back to a similar place where we'd been with mon, but with a maybe 1 year a few places lower whilst the squad was cleared of non playing high earners and the kids were blooded.

I can see why they made the decision, I think it was wrong, but I can see the thinking behind it.

I'd rather believe this than that they're stupid and took the easy option of the guy from down the road because he had a laugh and a joke with them once, mainly because if the latter is true then the club is fucked and i can't bring myself to believe that just yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 07, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
McLeish has used all his experience to keep us up this season. I'm sure he'll carry on using it to relegate us next season if he's still in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 06:12:17 PM
If I had to stick money on it I would lump it on Curbishley, which while being about as unexciting as it gets, would be miles better than Eck

A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.  Personally I think if our owner was stupid enough to have recruited a manager with such an appalling record in all respects, then he's stupid enough to keep him on.  And that's what I think will happen, sadly.  Paul e, did it not occur to you that all that talk of Europe and good finishes under AM was just PR guff?  They could hardly say "we've brought him in as the ultimate damage limitation exercise with a brief to just keep us in the PL as cheaply as possible".  I suspect that was closer to the case and seems to tally with what McLeish himself says he bought into.  As such, AM has just about fulfilled his part of the bargain, albeit whilst driving away thousands of fans and pissing off almost every other fan (DC5 apart).  I think he's staying.

Yeah, I think he'll stay too, and I agree that all the guff about getting into Europe was absolutely PR speak. If we'd been relegated, maybe the board would have had a re-think, but as it is we may as well look forward to more of the same next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jonc73 on May 07, 2012, 07:53:52 PM
Quote
Personally I think if our owner was stupid enough to have recruited a manager with such an appalling record in all respects, then he's stupid enough to keep him on

I agree with this. I don't understand why so many seem to have faith with Lerner, I think he is the problem.McLeish will start the season
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 07, 2012, 07:59:34 PM
I would take Curbs right now.It would be a step up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 07, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
Our lot need to take a good look at Blackburn and fast forward twelve months from now. I can honestly see us in that position if we don't change the manager now. Kicked off less than a minute ago, owners not present, fans calling for owners and manager to go already! Can't really blame them, but let's not go there ourselves, eh Randy?

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on May 07, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
I think Randy has enough evidence to be able to make the right decision and replace McLeish before the start of next season.
Those telephone calls to season ticket holders were not by accident, somebody realised a while back that a drop in attendances/revenue will be detrimental to Randy recouping his investment with profit.
Randy was also in attendance at the Bolton game, surely he is not that stubborn to realise you cannot ignore paying customers wishes forever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.

Birminam.  Birminam.  All together now...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 07, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: cdward on May 07, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
I think Randy has enough evidence to be able to make the right decision and replace McLeish before the start of next season.
Those telephone calls to season ticket holders were not by accident, somebody realised a while back that a drop in attendances/revenue will be detrimental to Randy recouping his investment with profit.
Randy was also in attendance at the Bolton game, surely he is not that stubborn to realise you cannot ignore paying customers wishes forever.


Not sure about this. Let's assume we might boost average attendances by 5k (a heroic assumption in my view). If they were all adult season ticket holders that would be 5k x around £500. That's £2.5m. I reckon we'd pay that much in compensation to get rid of mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 07, 2012, 08:23:22 PM
I think McLeish is off, and that he's been told he's off.. and that's why he's so defensive about his job now. He feels that after suffering so much abuse and ensuring another season in the top flight that he's entitled to make his mark on the team.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the dugout at the start of the season. We all know Randy speaks with his checkbook, and funding a McLeish spending spree doesn't seem like a very bright thing to do right now, seeing how N'Zogbia, Hutton and Jenas have worked out. It's going to take a fair chunk to rebuild the team to a competitive level, but incoming transfers sought after by McLeish and Faulkner scares the hell out of me.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 07, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.

Birminam.  Birminam.  All together now...

Apart from that which does irritate the f*ck out of me I do think curbs could do a decent job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
He would do a solid job for sure. Not exciting, but would be solid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 07, 2012, 08:30:03 PM
I think at this stage he is defending his record in order to perpetuate the belief that we only dislike him because he came from City and thus make it easier for him to get another job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
The only reason I would worry is because of his few years out of the game.

The fact that it's the only reason is quite depressing considering what we were hoping for a year or two ago.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: gervilla on May 07, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 07, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.

Birminam.  Birminam.  All together now...

Apart from that which does irritate the f*ck out of me I do think curbs could do a decent job.

I'd prefer him to McLeish to be honest. Maye only because it would mean McLeish would be gone.
I'd take anyone over him at this stage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 07, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Curbs had plans far above Wolves' station, maybe he could do for us what Pards did for the Barcodes.

Still would prefer Lambert.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 07, 2012, 08:52:28 PM
I wonder what Kevin MacDonald was laughing about towards the end of the match yesterday.  McLeish didn't seem to see the funny side of it.  "Alex, they're singing about you again" or "you're not serious about joining the lap of appreciation, are you?  The fans are right then, you are delusional"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 07, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 07, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Quote from: ktvillan on May 07, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
A friend who works for a sports agency in London told me on Saturday that he'd heard Curbishley had been lined up for us next season.

Birminam.  Birminam.  All together now...

and his first signing will be Benni McCarthy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on May 07, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Curbishley was interviewed before Houllier got the job wasn't he?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 07, 2012, 09:39:20 PM
There must be a reason as to why the bloke has been out of the game for so long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2012, 09:42:04 PM
he says birminam instead of birmingham, why do they find it so difficult these cock a knees ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: gervilla on May 07, 2012, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 07, 2012, 09:39:20 PM
There must be a reason as to why the bloke has been out of the game for so long.

Just like there must be a reason why McLeish is still in the game.
Maybe we will never find the answer to both situations.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dingo on May 07, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Been away for a few days, has the ginger twat done the right thing and walked yet ??
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 07, 2012, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on May 07, 2012, 09:25:18 PM
Curbishley was interviewed before Houllier got the job wasn't he?
Yep.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: preston28 on May 07, 2012, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: dingo on May 07, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Been away for a few days, has the ginger twat done the right thing and walked yet ??
Nope & I don't think he will.
Interesting decision from the Board:  Get rid of McLeish and risk another 'transition season' of a new manager and his ideas or stick by him, let him have another season of his plans and new buys and perhaps be more successful? BUT if the latter and he fails again then they get rid Jan or May 2013  a successor has an even harder job of unpicking the mess and the club are in a vicious circle of decline?

I know what I'd prefer but not sure the Board want what I want?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
They will not sack him until the season is over, If there is not an announcement by the end of this month be very worried.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
If the board have any idea, they'll appoint a youngish manager and give him time to build something, not another dinosaur like Curbshley.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 07, 2012, 10:17:57 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
If the board have any idea, they'll appoint a youngish manager and give him time to build something, not another dinosaur like Curbshley.
Absolutely this, to get rid of McLeish and then appoint Curbishley would almost be as bad as appointing McLeish in the first place.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:19:40 PM
Curbshley and Ferguson are good friends.

Start worrying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
You would think they'd have good reason not to listen to Ferguson this time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 10:22:21 PM
I have in my hand a piece of paper, it says there will be Mcliesh in our time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 07, 2012, 10:23:40 PM
If they do sack McLeish, and they appoint a manager without changing things in the boardroom, is there any reason for us to expect anything other than the farce that surrounded the last two ill-advised appointments?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2012, 10:25:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
If the board have any idea, they'll appoint a youngish manager and give him time to build something, not another dinosaur like Curbshley.

He's only 54.  Not exactly young, but hardly a dinosaur.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 07, 2012, 10:27:46 PM
Quote from: dingo on May 07, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
Been away for a few days, has the ginger twat done the right thing and walked yet ??
Dear Mr Lerner, thank you for the kind offer of £2,000,000. However, I understand I am unpopular and I accept I haven't done a very good job, so I'll resign and go on the dole. (no he hasn't).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2012, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Rico on May 07, 2012, 04:46:14 PM
Did anyone see Match of the day last night? Shearer was spouting the usual nonsense about us not giving him a chance cus of where he's from. Ffs! It virtually the end of the sason and these knobs are still droning on about not giving him a chance cus of his blose connection. Even that pillock Charlie Nicholas was at it the other day. Lazy lazy tv! "It's not where you're from - it's where you're taking us!" Pretty much sums it up!

Yep- lazy bollocks. Are Villa so bad because of the fans? Er No. They are shite because a manager cannot motivate, develop or organise a collection of good players. That is a fact - repeated time and time again this year.
He'll be here next season - Sir Whingealot didn't like it when we had someone who would give their lot a game.
Then again Faulkner would be footballing stupid enough to recommend PEter Withe as his replacement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: MplsVilla on May 07, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
Lerner is a businessman. Not sure how good he is, but that is what he purports to be. The drop in revenue if McLeish stays will be massive. Not just 5,000 bums on seats, we are talking a huge drop off in corporate interest and you can forget about Sky cameras as our games against the top 4/5/6/7 are all foregone conclusions. No matter what they pay McLeish, they will save it in a single year regardless of who the manager is because the next manager won't have to deal with McLeish's summer buys. It's not personal, it's just business.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 07, 2012, 10:58:35 PM
I wish Mervyn King and some of his buddies would offer to buy out McLeish's contract.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
I thought AM had a 2 year contract at £2mil a year, so it would cost £2mil, which in the scheme of things is F All.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 07, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
I thought AM had a 2 year contract at £2mil a year, so it would cost £2mil, which in the scheme of things is F All.
I thought it was 3 years
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
He would do a solid job for sure. Not exciting, but would be solid.

Exactly what is not needed right now. The fans have left in droves, the way to win them back is not through consolidation. It's to appoint someone with a footballing philosophy that encompasses ambition and forward-thinking. Hiring Curbishley is like being allowed to dine at the Ritz then choosing to eat pie and chips.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
I agree, but if I were putting cash on it, it would be on him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 07, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 08:25:46 PM
He would do a solid job for sure. Not exciting, but would be solid.

Exactly what is not needed right now. The fans have left in droves, the way to win them back is not through consolidation. It's to appoint someone with a footballing philosophy that encompasses ambition and forward-thinking. Hiring Curbishley is like being allowed to dine at the Ritz then choosing to eat pie and chips.

Agreed

We need someone to install hope and momentum.

That has to be a manager going places, not one who didn't do much of note and has spent the best part of five years sat watching Bargain Hunt in his pants of a morning.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:20:22 PM
Where is Fergal, we need someone to ask for a poll...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 07, 2012, 11:55:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 07, 2012, 11:20:22 PM
Where is Fergal, we need someone to ask for a poll...
Poll off... :)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 07, 2012, 11:57:40 PM
Can we have a poll about starting a poll?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 08, 2012, 12:14:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 07, 2012, 12:36:15 PM
I would take a 7-1 one thrashing if it meant paul lambert taking over from mcleish as a result!

I like it better when we win but each to their own.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 08, 2012, 06:48:00 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 07, 2012, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: hawkeye on May 07, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
I thought AM had a 2 year contract at £2mil a year, so it would cost £2mil, which in the scheme of things is F All.
I thought it was 3 years

If you sack a manager you don't have to pay him up to the end of his contract, only until when he is likely to get another job. So a years salary should do it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on May 08, 2012, 07:46:18 AM
Who will offer that fool another job? He will take all of his contract to get a job unless there is a club with a relegation wish based upon negative footie and awful excuses. Eck is off on hols with DoL to learn new ways of blaming the fans for your own faults and failures, only to return reddened and bullish for another season of 'Lets relegate Villa'.......4 home wins...och aye we can do far worse than that!!!, a whole season with NO home wins, and the lowest points score to be relegated,, och aye..immortality for a wee ginger man!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 08:07:47 AM
Well Blackburn might need a new boss and thier owners Arnt the brightest ...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 09:28:33 AM
We are very fortunate that Wolves and Blackburn have been diabolical and that Bolton had a desperately poor start. Make no bones about it under Mcleish we have been a truly dreadful side and it'll only get worse if they persist with him. He has to go now, no ifs, buts or maybes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mrfuse on May 08, 2012, 09:40:52 AM
From what McLeish is saying it doesn't look like hes going anywhere!

I haven't joined in any protests but I'm hoping lack of season ticket sales will be more effective, I refuse to renew my ticket while hes in charge.

The latest crap hes coming out with  "I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.
"I am not going to next season though. They better get their finger out."

Okay the players have to take some responsibility but come on Mclown you've hardly helped the cause, putting out formations that have lost before kick off!

Playing players out of position, negative ugly football... So was it Birmingham city's players that were at fault when they went down twice? was it Rangers players fault that you achieved a Club record of not winning games?

Once again its everyone else's fault but your own!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 08, 2012, 09:45:01 AM
The guy is a clown and he should walk but this day and age, how many managers will walk without gettting sort of pay off?  I just hope the club part company with him soon after the norwich game because lets face it, they are hadly going to sack him before then now are they. 
To me, in his post match comments, he seems to be a man who is fighting to keep his job. Lets hope RL and PF come to their senses and get rid of him
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 09:50:01 AM
He makes it sound like he intentially took the blame away from the players !! I have yet to hear him say at anypoint ...well maybe I got the tatics wrong for this match ,he never takes any blame.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 08, 2012, 09:52:16 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 09:50:01 AM
He makes it sound like he intentially took the blame away from the players !! I have yet to hear him say at anypoint ...well maybe I got the tatics wrong for this match ,he never takes any blame.

Totally agree with this.  Not saying he would instantly would have become a hero with the avfc fans but im sure if he sometimes took the blame for his tactics and line ups then we would have forgiven him on some occasions.  Although, i could be wrong by that statement
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Javu on May 08, 2012, 09:53:28 AM
I've never "hated" McLeish and I'm embarrassed about some of the offensive drivel posted on this site, but if he does have any honour it is surely time for him to fall on his sword.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 08, 2012, 09:54:07 AM
What amazes me about him is that unlike GT Mk 2 who apologised for a poor season (and was unfortunately booed for it), there ahs been nothing of the sort from McShit. I'm amazed he hasn't publicly said, We the team and I have let the club down this season etc......

Says it all for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on May 08, 2012, 12:14:44 AM
Quote from: eastie on May 07, 2012, 12:36:15 PM
I would take a 7-1 one thrashing if it meant paul lambert taking over from mcleish as a result!

I like it better when we win but each to their own.

Can we compromise and beat them and then take their manager?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 08, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 08, 2012, 09:40:52 AM

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.
"I am not going to next season though. They better get their finger out."


Just imagine what the players must think when they read this - I know what i'd be thinking and it's not lets give everything for the Boss next year.

Seriously, can anybody imagine the likes of Siralex coming out with this kind of thing.

He's a plan for you AML.  How about you get rid of the players you think didn't do enough last season and replace them with those that you think will. 

Build a culture, a winning mentality based on a high level of professionalism  and determination to succeed.  In short it's also known as strong man management - maybe you should think about trying it sometime.

What the feck are we paying this reported 2 mill a year for exactly - FFS Randy, you might aswell give me the job.  Atleast we'd be saying the right things, we'd never accept defeat prior to a game, everyone at the Club would take pride in representing Aston Villa and it would'nt take us 6 months to work out how to defend a fecking corner!!

And i'd accept at 50% pay cut.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: What the 'Eck on May 08, 2012, 09:53:28 AM
I've never "hated" McLeish and I'm embarrassed about some of the offensive drivel posted on this site, but if he does have any honour it is surely time for him to fall on his sword.

I think it'll happen and be announced as 'mutual consent' with him getting a lump sum, but not the whole balance of his contract.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 08, 2012, 10:16:31 AM
You know its Randy’s club at the end of the day, as he’s the sole proprietor. He can choose to do what he likes with his club, including keeping McLeish against all evidence to the contrary. Having said all that, in one of the few interviews he gave, Randy mentioned that he was but a temporary curator of a long and venerable institution; perhaps he needs to be reminded of that interview every single time he airs towards keeping McLeish in employment at B6.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 08, 2012, 10:22:35 AM
http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=2763265

I may be grasping at straws but in this article Clark just constantly refers to the effort of the players and not once refers to the manager.

I am grasping at straws aren't I?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 08, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 08, 2012, 09:40:52 AM

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.
"I am not going to next season though. They better get their finger out."


Just imagine what the players must think when they read this - I know what i'd be thinking and it's not lets give everything for the Boss next year.

Seriously, can anybody imagine the likes of Siralex coming out with this kind of thing.

He's a plan for you AML.  How about you get rid of the players you think didn't do enough last season and replace them with those that you think will. 

Build a culture, a winning mentality based on a high level of professionalism  and determination to succeed.  In short it's also known as strong man management - maybe you should think about trying it sometime.

What the feck are we paying this reported 2 mill a year for exactly - FFS Randy, you might aswell give me the job.  Atleast we'd be saying the right things, we'd never accept defeat prior to a game, everyone at the Club would take pride in representing Aston Villa and it would'nt take us 6 months to work out how to defend a fecking corner!!

And i'd accept at 50% pay cut.

Can I be your first team coach and see if I can introduce the novel idea of players making themselves available when we have a throw in?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank on May 08, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
Can I be your first team coach and see if I can introduce the novel idea of players making themselves available when we have a throw in?
What are you like on corners and free kicks, Richard?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 08, 2012, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: frank on May 08, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 08, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
Can I be your first team coach and see if I can introduce the novel idea of players making themselves available when we have a throw in?
What are you like on corners and free kicks, Richard?

Don't worry about that. i'm on defending set pieces - and we mark man to man not this zonal shit. 

We know we're on a budget so we'll play with attacking full backs that overlap and deliver good crosses (a must of ANY modern full back) and we'll have some no nonsense hard bastards who intimidate forwards and eat them for breakfast.  Anyone who plays us knows they're in for a hard game.   

Richard is working on player movement when we don't have the ball and restarts (as SGT calls them).

Anyone fancy taking on creativity and forward thinking options as it woukd appear the Club hasn't employed anybody in this role for quite some time?

Anyone want to put there hands up for working with the forwards
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lowendbehold on May 08, 2012, 11:21:39 AM
I woul;d have thought he would be a shoe in for Wolves.  Not much money, but he will probably get them back up at the first time of trying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 08, 2012, 11:29:16 AM
Can we just score from a corner ;(
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 08, 2012, 11:30:55 AM
Fuggit..Wigan above us! I never thought I'd see the day. Then there have many days I hoped I'd never see again.
email off to Randy, signed 'disgusted of Deritend'
Jazus McL, Martinez has done the job; why can't you?

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 08, 2012, 11:31:46 AM
I see Kean at Blackburn is saying similar things to McLeish.
'Plan for next season', 'new players' Blah, blah, blah.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 08, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: Lowendbehold on May 08, 2012, 11:21:39 AM
I woul;d have thought he would be a shoe in for Wolves.  Not much money, but he will probably get them back up at the first time of trying.
I reckon Coventry would be about his level,  I can't see the Doghead supporters accepting him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 08, 2012, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 08, 2012, 11:31:46 AM
I see Kean at Blackburn is saying similar things to McLeish.
'Plan for next season', 'new players' Blah, blah, blah.

They are both as bad as each other!  neother of them deserve to keep their jobs.  Mcleish got the blouse relegated twice and almost got us relegated but we have to thank the teams below us for being so crap.  Kean almost took them down last season and was given a 2nd chance only for them to be relegated.  I hope RL is looking on and thinking that Eck doesn't deserve a 2nd chance
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 08, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 08, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 08, 2012, 09:40:52 AM

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.
"I am not going to next season though. They better get their finger out."


Just imagine what the players must think when they read this - I know what i'd be thinking and it's not lets give everything for the Boss next year.

Seriously, can anybody imagine the likes of Siralex coming out with this kind of thing.

He's a plan for you AML.  How about you get rid of the players you think didn't do enough last season and replace them with those that you think will. 

Build a culture, a winning mentality based on a high level of professionalism  and determination to succeed.  In short it's also known as strong man management - maybe you should think about trying it sometime.

What the feck are we paying this reported 2 mill a year for exactly - FFS Randy, you might aswell give me the job.  Atleast we'd be saying the right things, we'd never accept defeat prior to a game, everyone at the Club would take pride in representing Aston Villa and it would'nt take us 6 months to work out how to defend a fecking corner!!

And i'd accept at 50% pay cut.

The fact he took an international striker like Darren Bent and turned him into the footballing equivalent of a walking statue is one of the worst parts about his tenure. Yes you could say well he Bent should track back etc etc . . . hobnobs!!

He is a goal scorer and needs to be fed the ball in the right places. The way the manager seemed to see him as some sort of luxury is shocking.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 08, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 08, 2012, 10:02:49 AM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 08, 2012, 09:40:52 AM

"I have taken a lot of weight on my shoulders this season. I was happy to take pressure off the players.
"I am not going to next season though. They better get their finger out."


Just imagine what the players must think when they read this - I know what i'd be thinking and it's not lets give everything for the Boss next year.

Seriously, can anybody imagine the likes of Siralex coming out with this kind of thing.

He's a plan for you AML.  How about you get rid of the players you think didn't do enough last season and replace them with those that you think will. 

Build a culture, a winning mentality based on a high level of professionalism  and determination to succeed.  In short it's also known as strong man management - maybe you should think about trying it sometime.

What the feck are we paying this reported 2 mill a year for exactly - FFS Randy, you might aswell give me the job.  Atleast we'd be saying the right things, we'd never accept defeat prior to a game, everyone at the Club would take pride in representing Aston Villa and it would'nt take us 6 months to work out how to defend a fecking corner!!

And i'd accept at 50% pay cut.

The fact he took an international striker like Darren Bent and turned him into the footballing equivalent of a walking statue is one of the worst parts about his tenure. Yes you could say well he Bent should track back etc etc . . . hobnobs!!

He is a goal scorer and needs to be fed the ball in the right places. The way the manager seemed to see him as some sort of luxury is shocking.


More worrying for me, is that Bent looks like he is doing bugger all but in some games - Liverpool at home and another around that time away, he ran as far as anyone else on the field, so it was never a lack of effort, just a complete lack of support or ability behind him to get him into the positions we saw the season before him thrive from. I maintain, our biggest loss in the close season was Walker. Young and Downing going was a blow, but Walker gave us a totally different dimension, and we miss that terribly, he also had the ability to find Bent making runs from the back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 02:39:06 PM
I just think his situation is completely untenable, he will never ever have the support of the fans and unless the club want to drive away those fans and their money they have to act.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Say we dont win against Norwich ,would that be 16 games with just one win?  Is that really what you want to take into a new season ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Say we dont win against Norwich ,would that be 16 games with just one win?  Is that really what you want to take into a new season ?

His win ratio 18.9% I doubt there are many mangers  in the history of league football in england with a worse record who have also completed a full season at the club.  There are literally no statistics you can produce that suggest any cause for optimism whilst he's still here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 08, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Say we dont win against Norwich ,would that be 16 games with just one win?  Is that really what you want to take into a new season ?

His win ratio 18.9% I doubt there are many mangers  in the history of league football in england with a worse record who have also completed a full season at the club.  There are literally no statistics you can produce that suggest any cause for optimism whilst he's still here.

Ditto when you look at his Blues record.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 08, 2012, 03:30:12 PM
An email from the pages of F365 I was pointed at today by a colleague, written by a 17 year old, apologies if it's been posted elsewhere.......

Aston Villa have become the equivalent of a drunk lad's vomit after a night on the p*ss. Sorry. No club wants to pitied or patronised but feared and revered. Sadly, it's all so predictable, blah blah blah. We all knew the upshot of McLeish in the hot seat would be Villa's head bobbing slightly above water with prosy and irksome football. Going nowhere. Seeing nothing.

I would take this season as a paltry warning for things to come. Don't 'forget' it; do not just write it off. That's too dangerously safe. Use and dwell on it and let it envelop you. It is a message of what will become, in fact no, what IS becoming of your fine club. Let it fill your every pore with drive. Nuts and bolts were tightened by Lerner but the decision to hire McLeish was just absurd. No, not because he came from Brum as many think; but because his football is like watching two chairs mate, his methods archaic and his motivational skills just bland. 'Forgetting' this season is dangerous; too safe. Victims do not forget until justice is served. Because that is exactly what Villa are; victims of plain stupidity and disinterest from their board. Do not forget; that lets this insult of a term off the hook and invites complacency when Villa are better than that. Once you accept these things you become as bad as the problem.

This will sound cheesy, but football clubs are like a family home. You need and desire warmth; the assurance that the club you love is full of people who share your same dedication. If Villa are the family home, Big 'Eck is the burglar and Lerner the inside man. Melodramatic or not, he's rooting around Villa's drawers. He's tearing up the kid's bedrooms and hoofing his muddy boots on the carpet. In fact, with Randy Lerner eternally ignoring the consequences of his mistake, the burglar is putting his feet up on Aston Villa's prized coffee table. This isn't a season to forget. It is a warning of just how desperate things will become and how far you have already fallen in just one season. And Villa must use that warning - as they have been doing - to keep with the fight no matter how helpless they may seem or how ignored their cries are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andrew08 on May 08, 2012, 03:57:50 PM
I'm not sure that Randy Lerner deserves that kind of article yet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rioch is King on May 08, 2012, 04:14:26 PM
I'm sure the kid means well but he's misunderstood Lerners intentions I reckon. Lots of people who don't follow the Villa as closely as we do get the wrong end of the stick, see the many comments people make about the MON saga
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 08, 2012, 04:17:07 PM
I think someone has convinced Randy that winning the league in Scotland is as hard as the Prem League because on his English Prem League record I don't think any Prem League would have taken him ,so lord only knows why we did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 08, 2012, 04:26:01 PM
I'm sure it was mentioned in another thread, buts its interesting to listen to the current Guardian Weekly podcast. Villa get a serious mauling, where the team is described as an abomination, appaling and everybody's least favourite Premier league club. And the finger is firmly pointed at McLeish and not the City connection.

It's good to note that we aren't losing our collective mind and engaging in internalised victim-mentality and have a completely different view of what's going on. However, it comes to something when Barry Glendenning gets it more than Shearer does.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

If that's true it's incredible naivety and another reason why they have to get high calibre football people on the board.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andrew08 on May 08, 2012, 04:29:26 PM
I think Randy took McLeish on because he thought he would genuinely work hard for our club. He would put in a proper working week on the training ground and in scouting matches. He wouldn't employ a vast staff to do the day to day stuff and just turn up on Fridays to tell which over paid squad member was not on the bench this week.

Now its obvious that it hasn't worked out but what we as fans have to decide is,

Is this because he's just not up to the job ?

or

is it because he didn't get sufficient funds after the decimation of the squad from the season before to do the job properly?

Oh and for those who watch MOTD or read the Tabloids

Is it because he managed the b-lose?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tony Boucher on May 08, 2012, 04:32:19 PM
From OPTA:

Quote
7 - If Aston Villa fail to win on Sunday they will equal their all-time record of only 7 wins in a season (set in 1890 & 1891). Nadir.

And that was when we used to play 22 games in a season!  Don't know if anyone else has flagged this up, but thought it was worth repeating
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

He was largely unblamed for the first relegation when he came in mid season and had no money to spend.  After that he got them up, had their highest ever PL position and won a trophy.  I think it's that record Randy was paying most attention to.

All well and good and if we had got him then things may have been different.  But a few months later they go down again, which brings the first relegation back to mind and raises a serious question.  Randy either didn't ask himself this question, or did and decided there were mitigating circumstances and felt he was actually the promotion/9th place/Cup win manager.

If so, he was wrong.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 08, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: andrew08 on May 08, 2012, 04:29:26 PM
Now its obvious that it hasn't worked out but what we as fans have to decide is,

Is this because he's just not up to the job ?

or

is it because he didn't get sufficient funds after the decimation of the squad from the season before to do the job properly?

Oh and for those who watch MOTD or read the Tabloids

Is it because he managed the b-lose?

Mainly the first with little of the second thrown in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

If that's true it's incredible naivety and another reason why they have to get high calibre football people on the board.

You can only beat who is put in front of you of course, but struggling past Brentford, MK Dons and Rochdale, before beating two relegation rivals in West Ham and Villa and then fluking it against Arsenal is by no means a sign of quality when compared with his relegations and general shit approach to football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 04:38:19 PM
Newcastle were also relegated with 7 wins.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 08, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
We got lucky this time just like Wolves & Blackburn did last season,Where are they now?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

He was largely unblamed for the first relegation when he came in mid season and had no money to spend.  After that he got them up, had their highest ever PL position and won a trophy.  I think it's that record Randy was paying most attention to.

All well and good and if we had got him then things may have been different.  But a few months later they go down again, which brings the first relegation back to mind and raises a serious question.  Randy either didn't ask himself this question, or did and decided there were mitigating circumstances and felt he was actually the promotion/9th place/Cup win manager.

If so, he was wrong.

He took over when Blues had played 14 games, and signed Zarate and McFadden in the January.  Then as in last season, with five games left he had a healthy points gap of 4 and a much better goal difference, but still went down.  Just like he did last season, and just like he came very close to doing this season.  The man is just utterly inept.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 08, 2012, 05:06:54 PM
Inept? He aint that good
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

He was largely unblamed for the first relegation when he came in mid season and had no money to spend.  After that he got them up, had their highest ever PL position and won a trophy.  I think it's that record Randy was paying most attention to.

All well and good and if we had got him then things may have been different.  But a few months later they go down again, which brings the first relegation back to mind and raises a serious question.  Randy either didn't ask himself this question, or did and decided there were mitigating circumstances and felt he was actually the promotion/9th place/Cup win manager.

If so, he was wrong.

He took over when Blues had played 14 games, and signed Zarate and McFadden in the January.  Then as in last season, with five games left he had a healthy points gap of 4 and a much better goal difference, but still went down.  Just like he did last season, and just like he came very close to doing this season.  The man is just utterly inept.

He went down doing pretty much exactly what he has done this season.

Plenty of us didn't give a shit he managed them, but were bothered he stank of relegation. In fact, when he was appointed, most of us probably still had residual side-ache from laughing at his last relegation. That's why lots of people expressed their concern that he'd play horribly negative, rubbish football of the style Blues played under him, and lo and behold that is *exactly* what he did.

He came here and did the absolute worst thing he could do, the one thing that would lose him the support he had.

Is there even a single person on this site who actually wants the bloke to be given more time? Who would choose to have him stay around?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 08, 2012, 05:43:15 PM
If/when he does get the sack, all of the shite about him not being given a chance will resurface for weeks.   In a way it'd almost be good if we could nick Hughton and then give him a rapturous reception.  All of the bone idle hacks and MOTD idiots would spontaneously combust like Richard Dawkins having a visit from the Virgin Mary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 08, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 08, 2012, 05:37:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 08, 2012, 04:47:22 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 08, 2012, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 04:28:18 PM
I think maybe Randy was impressed with his league cup win and possibly thought he'd do much better with a supposedly superior Villa squad.

He was largely unblamed for the first relegation when he came in mid season and had no money to spend.  After that he got them up, had their highest ever PL position and won a trophy.  I think it's that record Randy was paying most attention to.

All well and good and if we had got him then things may have been different.  But a few months later they go down again, which brings the first relegation back to mind and raises a serious question.  Randy either didn't ask himself this question, or did and decided there were mitigating circumstances and felt he was actually the promotion/9th place/Cup win manager.

If so, he was wrong.

He took over when Blues had played 14 games, and signed Zarate and McFadden in the January.  Then as in last season, with five games left he had a healthy points gap of 4 and a much better goal difference, but still went down.  Just like he did last season, and just like he came very close to doing this season.  The man is just utterly inept.

He went down doing pretty much exactly what he has done this season.

Plenty of us didn't give a shit he managed them, but were bothered he stank of relegation. In fact, when he was appointed, most of us probably still had residual side-ache from laughing at his last relegation. That's why lots of people expressed their concern that he'd play horribly negative, rubbish football of the style Blues played under him, and lo and behold that is *exactly* what he did.

He came here and did the absolute worst thing he could do, the one thing that would lose him the support he had.

Is there even a single person on this site who actually wants the bloke to be given more time? Who would choose to have him stay around?

I think there might be at least one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:09:39 PM
As will be said on TV later tonight, if he stays he has to be given big money immediately and use it well. It's doubtful that either would happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
Dave if you're on television some time soon on behalf of Villa fans can you point out stats of this season?

Lowest amount of home wins since 1890 (when we only played 12 games) - New record.

Lowest points tally in our Premier league history.

Record amount of draws in a premier league season by any team - equalled our own record which we could beat with one game to play.

Highest amount of points dropped from winning positions 22 points in total.

Third worst goalscorers in the league.
 
Joint second worst home record.

Worst average home attendances.

As many goals scored as Blues last season.

We need to tell the media how it is and what the reality of this season has been so we don't have muppets like Shearer spouting bullshit.

Oh and I don't know if it will get through to outsiders but just mention the fact its NOT where McLeish came from which is the problem its what he's doing to our team.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
....Worst average home attendances.....

Is this actually true? (No argument with the other points).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 06:47:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
....Worst average home attendances.....

Is this actually true? (No argument with the other points).

For a decade or so I believe, yes. There are some stats on here somewhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:47:34 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.
Ok fair enough but it would help get the message out if you mention those stats and tell it how it really is. Hopefully cold hard facts hit home.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2012, 06:47:49 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
....Worst average home attendances.....

Is this actually true? (No argument with the other points).

Nope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.

What time and which channel?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 08, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.

Can you issue a Fatwah against anyone who dredges up the B-lose link? That would be just dandy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
Nice garden Dave.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:55:04 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
Nice garden Dave.

I'll pass on your compliments to the staff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 06:37:12 PM
....Worst average home attendances.....

Is this actually true? (No argument with the other points).
Woops forgot to mention the year our average attendance was was worse which was the 2000/2001 season and that's when the new Trinity Road Stand was being built.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pestria on May 08, 2012, 06:58:45 PM
Did anyone else hear Ron Toss standing up for AMC after the Spurs match saying he'd done about what could be expected given the resources at his disposal?   His main argument was that he inherited a side that just avoided relegation and then the best two players were sold.

I think a schoolchild with only a knowledge of playground kickabouts could drive a coach and horses through that argument, but maybe Lerner doesn't understand even that much.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 07:02:34 PM
I've got a lot of time for Tom Ross but he's just standing up for the only Blues manager to ever win them a trophy. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 07:03:56 PM
Gil Merrick in 1963?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
Our average this season is 33,873. About 1K down on our historical average of the last 16 years or so. Given the financial conditions it's not really surprising. I don't think the McLeish factor played that big a part this season.

Nest season though would be a different kettle of fish though.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Just looked at our attendances by each home this season... What shocks me most is the poor attendances vs local rivals and the best teams in the league. Lowest home premier league attendance this season was against Stoke where we only managed to draw in just over 30,000 fans.

Oh I forgot another big and another very ugly stat... We haven't managed to win successive games in the premier league which is awful. Our winning streak has been one game... Yay.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 07:16:53 PM
At least we're consistent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2012, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Just looked at our attendances by each home this season... What shocks me most is the poor attendances vs local rivals and the best teams in the league. Lowest home premier league attendance this season was against Stoke where we only managed to draw in just over 30,000 fans.

Oh I forgot another big and another very ugly stat... We haven't managed to win successive games in the premier league which is awful. Our winning streak has been one game... Yay.

We had less than 28,000 against Bolton during MON's first season. We're Villa, we sometimes get shit crowds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Don't forget though, that the true attendances are never stated. Anyone with a ticket or season ticket that didn't attend is included. It's been said that VP has been under 30k a few times this season though the official stats don't confirm it, and people not attending after buying a ticket very much is down to McLeech!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 08, 2012, 07:27:10 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 08, 2012, 04:26:01 PM
However, it comes to something when Barry Glendenning gets it more than Shearer does.
Is it?

I think I'd take an intelligent journalist's opinion on most things on board over a dimwitted footballer's.

And wits are rarely found dimmer than Wor Al's.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Don't forget though, that the true attendances are never stated. Anyone with a ticket or season ticket that didn't attend is included. It's been said that VP has been under 30k a few times this season though the official stats don't confirm it, and people not attending after buying a ticket very much is down to McLeech!
Very true.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 08, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I heard on the radio we had sold 5000 season tickets so far for next season . How many have we normally sold by this time ?      Fans waiting to see If Lerner fires the bullet .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Don't forget though, that the true attendances are never stated. Anyone with a ticket or season ticket that didn't attend is included. It's been said that VP has been under 30k a few times this season though the official stats don't confirm it, and people not attending after buying a ticket very much is down to McLeech!
Very true.

I have a ST and missed a couple of games this season. Had nothing to do with AM.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 08, 2012, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 08, 2012, 07:30:23 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Don't forget though, that the true attendances are never stated. Anyone with a ticket or season ticket that didn't attend is included. It's been said that VP has been under 30k a few times this season though the official stats don't confirm it, and people not attending after buying a ticket very much is down to McLeech!
Very true.

I have a ST and missed a couple of games this season. Had nothing to do with AM.

Fair enough, that can happen, I should have put the words 'in general' in my post!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
I know plenty of people, me included, that have struggled to give away unused ST this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
If he was given money he'd fuck it up. It would be absolute madness to keep him, using this site as an example there are maybe one or two people tops who want him to keep the job. There is not normally that much of a ground swell of discontent, it's normally mixed. He has failed and will continue to do so, he absolutely must go or we are truly fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Lets not forget that, by my 'back of fag packet' maths, he has bought the clubs 4th most expensive player ever in CNZ and hasn't got anything like a performance out of him.

All academic, as I think AM will be deservedly fucked off in the next fortnight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 08, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
I would actually trust him to buy well but I would not trust him to get the best out of the team with the players bought.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: levico on May 08, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
PW is spot on. It's no point in AM having anything to do with choosing the squad for next season. Whoever we get, if he's still the manager they will not perform - we could have messi in the team and he would be crap.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
I don't think anyone particulary wants him to stay. the real  problem is who do we replace him with, and whether that person will have the resources to do significantly better.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
I have a potted plant that could do a better job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 08, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
I would actually trust him to buy well but I would not trust him to get the best out of the team with the players bought.
I had an idea he would gradually bring in good value players who might be able to play a bit and gel as a team, working hard, defending well, and that is what he could still do, given the chance.
Trouble is, I no longer want him to have that chance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 08, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Lets not forget that, by my 'back of fag packet' maths, he has bought the clubs 4th most expensive player ever in CNZ and hasn't got anything like a performance out of him.

All academic, as I think AM will be deservedly fucked off in the next fortnight.
The most baffling thing about the CNZ signing was that Mcleish was after him while at the Blose and then chased the deal for ages in the Summer. It was just very odd that Mcleish didn't seem to know what to do with him when he finally got him - it's as if he had been advised that he would be a good signing but didn't know why.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 08, 2012, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 08, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I heard on the radio we had sold 5000 season tickets so far for next season . How many have we normally sold by this time ?      Fans waiting to see If Lerner fires the bullet .

I've never heard him called a bullet before. Helmet maybe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 08:17:59 PM
even a potted plant with coaching badges would struggle if we start next season with the same numbers.  a couple of injuries and we literally run out of players in some positions
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 08, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Lets not forget that, by my 'back of fag packet' maths, he has bought the clubs 4th most expensive player ever in CNZ and hasn't got anything like a performance out of him.

All academic, as I think AM will be deservedly fucked off in the next fortnight.
The most baffling thing about the CNZ signing was that Mcleish was after him while at the Blose and then chased the deal for ages in the Summer. It was just very odd that Mcleish didn't seem to know what to do with him when he finally got him - it's as if he had been advised that he would be a good signing but didn't know why.

I was doing a bit of work for SHA at the time and heard the story from the staff, CNZ and AM had agreed the wage and then, when he came to sign, CNZ said he wanted an extra 10k a week. AM called his bluff and told him to ram it for which I have to give him the utmost respect.

I cant knock AM for the signing, I thought selling Downing for £20m and getting CNZ for half that was brilliant business. He has though, so far, being pretty disappointing. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2012, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
I have a potted plant that could do a better job.
He's hired! Post him off to VP.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 08, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
Still convinced that we'll see the best of N'Zogbia when a new manager comes in.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 08, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
Still convinced that we'll see the best of N'Zogbia when a new manager comes in.

Agreed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 08, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 08, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.

Can you issue a Fatwah against anyone who dredges up the B-lose link? That would be just dandy.
I don't get people like Shearer saying "its because he came from blues." What is?
Is he saying the villa fans don't like him because he came from blues and thats why villa are struggling? Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithe on May 08, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
From what I've seen so far I'd prefer an on-form Allbrighton to CNZ, he puts the ball where Bent wants it. CNZ seems to want to dribble himself into a shooting position every time and his accuracy is a little wayward.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2012, 08:31:26 PM
Bloody hope so. He has not been allowed a free role since coming to Villa under McLeish. Here is to next season and hopefully a new start.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
What does Alan 'he head-butted my elbow, honest ref' Shearer know about Villa anyway?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
What does Alan 'he head-butted my elbow, honest ref' Shearer know about Villa anyway?

We sent his beloved Newcastle down and he bears a grudge?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2012, 08:36:07 PM
Jack.................fu..in .............shite !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 08, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
Still convinced that we'll see the best of N'Zogbia when a new manager comes in.

There's no doubt he's been a big disappointment this season, but there's a good player in there somewhere; we've seen players come good (pr at least do a lot better) on their second season, recent examples being Steven Ireland and Stewart Downing. Having paid 10 million for N'Zogbia, it also makes financial sense to give him another year and hope for a (drastic) improvement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
A minor one would be nice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 08, 2012, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 08:28:37 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 08, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
Still convinced that we'll see the best of N'Zogbia when a new manager comes in.

Agreed.

Particularly if we get Martinez.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: ez on May 08, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 08, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 06:40:59 PM
I'm not on behalf of anyone but myself.

Can you issue a Fatwah against anyone who dredges up the B-lose link? That would be just dandy.
I don't get people like Shearer saying "its because he came from blues." What is?
Is he saying the villa fans don't like him because he came from blues and thats why villa are struggling? Makes no sense to me.
And the comparison is flawed anyway - Bruce was a Newcastle supporter, which is what Sunderland fans didn't like. Until he got here AM didn't even know where Birmingham was!

It's strange given the amount of stick given by the 5Live commentry team last night to Kean - "out of his depth, worst run for years - setting teams up to defend, not win - an example being vrs Spurs". Then I thought: That's us, that is. That's McLeish. Why can't they see the similarities?

Oh no, it's only because he managed THEM!
Tossers!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 08:42:21 PM
I like Randy and from other people who i've spoken to he's still in their good books. Houiller was a brave decision and although there were times last season when i was'nt convinced it was the right one, i'm not going to knock Randy for it. It was his first footballing appointment and their was logic behind it.

Employing McLeish however was a stupid decision, totally stupid. I'm not sure what the hell he was thinking and it nearly cost us big time. He's got a chance to rectify his mistake in the next couple of weeks. If he dose'nt then he'll start to lose the support of those who think good of him and that would be a shame.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
I agree with that Clampy, he has to 'man up' and admit he dropped one, then put it right!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 08, 2012, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 08:45:27 PM
I agree with that Clampy, he has to 'man up' and admit he dropped one, then put it right!

Yep. The problem is not going to fix itself.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 08, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
If McLeish is going to stay (and I find it odd the OS publishing an article saying that he has had supportive texts off Randy if he isn't) then Randy owes it to him to say so now and be absolutely rock solid behind him, because until he does, this speculation will continue to undermine him. Randy has to show he has a pair and straight after Norwich sack him or publicly and unequivocally back him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
Heaven help us if he stays. He should take a look at Blackburn and fast forward twelve months. Scary. Randy has to own up, he cocked up but he can put it right!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 08, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 08, 2012, 08:42:21 PM
I like Randy and from other people who i've spoken to he's still in their good books. Houiller was a brave decision and although there were times last season when i was'nt convinced it was the right one, i'm not going to knock Randy for it. It was his first footballing appointment and their was logic behind it.

Employing McLeish however was a stupid decision, totally stupid. I'm not sure what the hell he was thinking and it nearly cost us big time. He's got a chance to rectify his mistake in the next couple of weeks. If he dose'nt then he'll start to lose the support of those who think good of him and that would be a shame.

Think that totally sums it up for me. As a business man, Randy has got to get the right footballing people around him. Ferguson would give the approval of any fellow scot. I said this last season. I think Ray wilkins would be ideal with his people round him for Villa .......
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: mike on May 08, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
If McLeish is going to stay (and I find it odd the OS publishing an article saying that he has had supportive texts off Randy if he isn't) then Randy owes it to him to say so now and be absolutely rock solid behind him, because until he does, this speculation will continue to undermine him. Randy has to show he has a pair and straight after Norwich sack him or publicly and unequivocally back him.

Him staying is not an option and I fail to believe the board can be that stupid again. This is one of the worst seasons in the club's history.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 08, 2012, 09:21:58 PM
A few twitter rumours flying about in the last 10mins that he has been sacked and others saying Norwich will be his last game in charge.
Theres an account on twitter called agent_ITK (yes i know, ITK) and this person has tweeted a lot of stuff in the past which has come true regarding other clubs and transfers.  He/she tweeted yesterday that villa have approached Norwich to speak to lambert.  Again this could all be a load of bollocks and wouldnt expect anyone to believe it but like i said, this account has tweeted stuff in the past which has recently come true
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
Twitter rumours are a big pile of horse-shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
Yeah but it's still heartening to hear such rumours.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
GM is the place to be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 08, 2012, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 08, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
Yeah but it's still heartening to hear such rumours.

It sure is.  Lambert being the favourite.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 08, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
Quote from: James on May 08, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
Heaven help us if he stays. He should take a look at Blackburn and fast forward twelve months. Scary. Randy has to own up, he cocked up but he can put it right!
I would rather say badly advised than cocked up.
Randy desperately needs to get a management team together that understands what the business is all about.
Same goes for Paul Faulkner. He seems comfortable in negotiating commercial business deals, but lost when having to make decisions on footballing matters.

What would I change?
1) Personally, I would try to get Steve Stride back down there. Respected by many,  not only by the FA, but also Uefa.
2) Bring in a football man like Graham Taylor who is a man with a genuine sincerity and fondness for the club.
3) A manager with hunger and a passion in his voice who sees Aston Villa not for its history, but for its potential to once again be amongst the greats.

Go on Randy..you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2012, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
Twitter rumours are a big pile of horse-shit.
Thats why it should be called Twatter! Never seen the reason to broadcast all your personal shite to the rest of the world. Why? Apart for attention reasons,why bother. Off topic: For or against twitter/facebook?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
Norwich will be his last game in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
Let's hope so SHQ. Believe it when he's ITCNNBH!  ;)

(In The Car, Nowhere Near Bodymoor Heath!)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: FrankyH on May 08, 2012, 09:51:03 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
GM is the place to be.

Gary Megson ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 08, 2012, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
Norwich will be his last game in charge.
I hope you are right there pal. Still got a nasty feeling tho!!! That Ginger will still be in charge for the start of next season,i know its the wrong train of thought to have , but i have this feeling. Sorry lads and lasses, just a feeling,thats all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard C on May 08, 2012, 09:54:15 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
Norwich will be his last game in charge.

Yes, of any club ever.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:23:04 PM
Twitter rumours are a big pile of horse-shit.


I take some solace from them at the moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Richard C on May 08, 2012, 09:54:15 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 08, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
Norwich will be his last game in charge.

Yes, of any club ever.

Well, he and Steve Kean and Owen IUD should get plenty of golf practice next year, shouldn't they?  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 08, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Recently there have been quite a few people saying we need a football man on the board, and of those people a fair few have suggested Steve Stride could be that man.

Forgive me, and this is a genuine question, not a dig. But what makes Steve Stride so good?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 08, 2012, 10:02:22 PM
Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 08, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Recently there have been quite a few people saying we need a football man on the board, and of those people a fair few have suggested Steve Stride could be that man.

Forgive me, and this is a genuine question, not a dig. But what makes Steve Stride so good?

Ask Ron Atkinson; "The best secretary I ever worked with." Or UEFA, who put him on their experts panel.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 08, 2012, 10:03:50 PM
I'd venture to suggest that Steve Stride is yesterday's man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 08, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 08, 2012, 10:03:50 PM
I'd venture to suggest that Steve Stride is yesterday's man.
Could be, but it's clear that PF and RL need expert advice from somewhere.

Then again, I'm available. ;-)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can we fuel the fire on these rumours that he is indeed going, and inundate the club tomorrow with season ticket enquiries on the basis that he's going only to withdraw our interest when they can't confirm it.This could then filter back to Lerner and tip him over the edge and make him pull the trigger!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 08, 2012, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can we fuel the fire on these rumours that he is indeed going, and inundate the club tomorrow with season ticket enquiries on the basis that he's going only to withdraw our interest when they can't confirm it.This could then filter back to Lerner and tip him over the edge and make him pull the trigger!
Superb idea. I'm going to spend the whole day calling VP.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can we fuel the fire on these rumours that he is indeed going, and inundate the club tomorrow with season ticket enquiries on the basis that he's going only to withdraw our interest when they can't confirm it.This could then filter back to Lerner and tip him over the edge and make him pull the trigger!

You wicked bastard ...








I love it!  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 08, 2012, 10:25:00 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can we fuel the fire on these rumours that he is indeed going, and inundate the club tomorrow with season ticket enquiries on the basis that he's going only to withdraw our interest when they can't confirm it.This could then filter back to Lerner and tip him over the edge and make him pull the trigger!
Superb idea. I'm going to spend the whole day calling VP.
Make that two of us! I'll be ringing 9am !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 08, 2012, 10:49:05 PM
Thanks Dave, he must be some administrator. Very able to push through what the manager wants to see happen.

By the sounds of things, to make things work we need someone like Steve. But also someone to provide the vision.

And of course give you know who the heave ho.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:52:17 PM
Was there any basis in the Comoli rumours at the weekend? Maybe he is the football man being lined up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 08, 2012, 10:53:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 08, 2012, 10:52:17 PM
Was there any basis in the Comoli rumours at the weekend? Maybe he is the football man being lined up.

Most likely for Spuds if he really was there!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on May 08, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 08, 2012, 10:12:22 PM
Can we fuel the fire on these rumours that he is indeed going, and inundate the club tomorrow with season ticket enquiries on the basis that he's going only to withdraw our interest when they can't confirm it.This could then filter back to Lerner and tip him over the edge and make him pull the trigger!

Great plan
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: frankyh on May 08, 2012, 09:51:03 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
GM is the place to be.

Gary Megson ?

I don't know why but that made me LOL!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
Quote
Do I think Villa should change manager? Yes. Do I think they will change manager? Yes. Do I know they will change manager? No

Latest Kendrick tweet.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
Quote
Do I think Villa should change manager? Yes. Do I think they will change manager? Yes. Do I know they will change manager? No

Latest Kendrick tweet.

fuckin 'hell. journalism at its best that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
But it's not journalism. Its just a post on twitter.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 08, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 08, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
GM is the place to be.

Roll up, roll up :D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
But it's not journalism. Its just a post on twitter.

twitter should be banned. gives fuckwit's a voice. Got an ace text about woodhall's tv apperance today by someone who's heard me mention him in passing. never knew he took in my mutterings.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2012, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 08, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
But it's not journalism. Its just a post on twitter.

twitter should be banned. gives fuckwit's a voice. Got an ace text about woodhall's tv apperance today by someone who's heard me mention him in passing. never knew he took in my mutterings.

So does H&V Greg  ;)


I'm sorry Greg, but not even Emile could have missed that one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LamBeast on May 09, 2012, 12:09:15 AM
I have said my piece.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 12:12:45 AM
heh.  We are all but fuckwitts in cyber space, but some of us don't actually set up our own site  to prove it.. Twitter's for them that do
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 09, 2012, 02:03:58 AM
What has the word 'future' got to do with this bloke anyway?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
Quote
Do I think Villa should change manager? Yes. Do I think they will change manager? Yes. Do I know they will change manager? No

Latest Kendrick tweet.

fuckin 'hell. journalism at its best that.

What is he supposed to say if he's getting asked about it all the time?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 08, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
Quote
Do I think Villa should change manager? Yes. Do I think they will change manager? Yes. Do I know they will change manager? No

Latest Kendrick tweet.

fuckin 'hell. journalism at its best that.

What is he supposed to say if he's getting asked about it all the time?


I'm taking solace in the fact that he thinks they will change the manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: teamvillage on May 09, 2012, 10:27:05 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 08, 2012, 11:20:40 PM
Quote
Do I think Villa should change manager? Yes. Do I think they will change manager? Yes. Do I know they will change manager? No

Latest Kendrick tweet.

I think he's been tipped off. It's a bit different to a national tabloid writer making such comments - if McLeish stays then Kendrick would be interviewing him every week, needed to regularly access Bodymoor etc. He wouldn't risk a breakdown in communications (and basically losing his job) unless he was fairly confident our manager is on the way out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 10:41:18 AM
50 million is about what a manager would need to get us back on track, a good manager that is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
Ah yes, the old warchest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 09, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Didn't know Jim Smith was on Twatter. And if he knows that about the transfer kitty, does that mean he's our next manager?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 09, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
That's great as long as it isn't Mcleish spending it
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on May 09, 2012, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on May 09, 2012, 10:44:20 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Didn't know Jim Smith was on Twatter. And if he knows that about the transfer kitty, does that mean he's our next manager?

I'd take him if it means the end of McLeish.

£50m war chest will be spent on a deep underground bunker where McLeish will watch the games from next season because he can't get no further back in the dugout.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 10:41:18 AM
50 million is about what a manager would need to get us back on track, a good manager that is.

I you mean to top 6/Euro contention, then yes, but we could get back to midtable respectability/boredom for a fair bit less, if spent well.

All depends on Randy's intentions. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 10:41:18 AM
50 million is about what a manager would need to get us back on track, a good manager that is.

I you mean to top 6/Euro contention, then yes, but we could get back to midtable
respectability/boredom for a fair bit less, if spent well.

All depends on Randy's intentions. 


Looks like he's going for gold this time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Take the 0 out and that would be about right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Take the 0 out and that would be about right.

And the 5
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.

Yeah, right.  Chinny reckon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Take the 0 out and that would be about right.

And the 5

Well before there was any hint of McLeish getting the bullet, he discussed spending plans for next season.

His words were

'A couple of players around £3m and a few bosmans.'

Anyone who thinks we're going to spend anything like £50m needs a visit from the whitecoats.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.
Aye. H.P.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 10:41:18 AM
50 million is about what a manager would need to get us back on track, a good manager that is.

I you mean to top 6/Euro contention, then yes, but we could get back to midtable
respectability/boredom for a fair bit less, if spent well.

All depends on Randy's intentions. 


Looks like he's going for gold this time.

That based on this Twitter thing or have you heard similar elsewhere?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: ROBBO link=topic=46130.msg2043956#msg2043956
date=1336556478
50 million is about what a manager would need to get us back on track, a good manager that is.

I you mean to top 6/Euro contention, then yes, but we could get back to midtable
respectability/boredom for a fair bit less, if spent well.

All depends on Randy's intentions. 



Looks like he's going for gold this time.

That based on this Twitter thing or have you heard similar elsewhere?

I haven't quite heard as much as that anywhere else.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I heard a while ago that we have more than expected to spend this summer but £50m is... ludicrous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 09, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
Should be called Twater,cause that's whats on it, a load of twat! 50 million my arse.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:23:58 AM
So this £50m rumour comes from somebody on twitter called 'Bald eagle' ?

Well, i'm convinced.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 09, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
Karl Henry for £3m....... Jesus Wept!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I heard a while ago that we have more than expected to spend this summer but £50m is... ludicrous.

There have been rumours of further investment for a while now, which in part makes sense as with Heskey and Cuellar going the wage situation should now be under control.  £50m is just someone's insane guess though as I doubt even the club themselves have put an actual figure on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 09, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
Karl Henry for £3m....... Jesus Wept!
Is Karl Malden from 'The streets of San Francisco' still alive?
If not, i'd still rather have his corpse patrolling the centre circle in preference to that inept Doghead clogger.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I heard a while ago that we have more than expected to spend this summer but £50m is... ludicrous.

There have been rumours of further investment for a while now, which in part makes sense as with Heskey and Cuellar going the wage situation should now be under control.  £50m is just someone's insane guess though as I doubt even the club themselves have put an actual figure on it.
We need the soothing balm of The General's grade A bullshit to calm us down.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:28:41 AM
Getting a £50m warchest is probably more likely than signing Karl Fucking Henry. I hope.

Seriously, if they do sign him there's no chance of me going next season and I dont consider myself a drama queen at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:28:41 AM
Getting a £50m warchest is probably more likely than signing Karl Fucking Henry. I hope.

Seriously, if they do sign him there's no chance of me going next season and I dont consider myself a drama queen at all.

Hard to say if it's true.

It could be based on a journalist knowing that McLeish coveted him when he was at the Blues.

If he signed him, you just know that he would make him club captain.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:28:41 AM
Getting a £50m warchest is probably more likely than signing Karl Fucking Henry. I hope.

Seriously, if they do sign him there's no chance of me going next season and I dont consider myself a drama queen at all.

I know what you mean.

As it stands, I'm not renewing my season ticket. Sign players like Karl Henry and I won't be bothering to take in the odd match here and there, either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
Something about £50m war chest for next season on Twitter. The Bald Eagle.
Take the 0 out and that would be about right.

I'd say take out the 5 and it'd be about right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 12:12:22 PM
Well if we have money to spend it makes even less sense to keep Mcleish. Actually it doesn't, because it makes absolutely no sense to keep Mcleish regardless of the circumstances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 09, 2012, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I heard a while ago that we have more than expected to spend this summer but £50m is... ludicrous.

There have been rumours of further investment for a while now, which in part makes sense as with Heskey and Cuellar going the wage situation should now be under control.  £50m is just someone's insane guess though as I doubt even the club themselves have put an actual figure on it.
We need the soothing balm of The General's grade A bullshit to calm us down.

If his finger slips again we might have a £500 million warchest!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 09, 2012, 12:53:12 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:22:19 AM
I heard a while ago that we have more than expected to spend this summer but £50m is... ludicrous.

There have been rumours of further investment for a while now, which in part makes sense as with Heskey and Cuellar going the wage situation should now be under control.  £50m is just someone's insane guess though as I doubt even the club themselves have put an actual figure on it.
We need the soothing balm of The General's grade A bullshit to calm us down.

If his finger slips again we might have a £500 million warchest!!

Just imagine what McLeish could do with that sort of backing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on May 09, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Stuff you lot i'm going positive, Randy has had the scare of his life and wants to spend enough so his nightmares disappear, so fifty million it is. Roll on next season new manager new players with bigger crowds and Dave woodhall to sell out every home game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
The current manager won't be here next week, or very soon after I'm convinced of that. So who gives a shit about who his rumoured targets are? It's irrelevant. We're not signing Karl Henry just like we don't sign the the great majority of the other 7 million players we get linked with every summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 09, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
£50 million rumour was proberly started by a piss taking Nose. Won't be taking the piss when Hollaway is dancing all over ya pitch later!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
I'm also convinced he'll be gone, how on earth can he stay? Ok, it might cost Randy a few million quid to pay him off, but it'll cost him a lot more if he keeps him...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2012, 01:48:44 PM
I'm also convinced he'll be gone, how on earth can he stay? Ok, it might cost Randy a few million quid to pay him off, but it'll cost him a lot more if he keeps him...

Small peanuts to a club with a £50m warchest  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 09, 2012, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 09, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
£50 million rumour was proberly started by a piss taking Nose.
Definitely not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 09, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 09, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
The current manager won't be here next week, or very soon after I'm convinced of that. So who gives a shit about who his rumoured targets are? It's irrelevant. We're not signing Karl Henry just like we don't sign the the great majority of the other 7 million players we get linked with every summer.

Yep, every summer is the same - the rags have to fill their pages. Players that do get signed genrally come out of the blue.

Also, what owner in their right mind sets out exactly how much we have to spend? How does this information get out on to a geezer on Twitter FFS?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2012, 02:35:24 PM
It shows how badly Mcleish has affected the club, that even a £50 million warchest(I don't believe it'll be anywhere near that much) doesn't fill me with confidence. If Mcleish spends it it's wasted money. The key thing this summer is for him to go. That in turn needs to be followed by the new manager being backed with fresh funds on top of whatever he makes clearing out the deadwood.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 09, 2012, 03:11:08 PM
Found this blog from a year ago, just after AM was appointed:

http://odetotheweeredbook.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/opinion-mcleish-couldnt-manage-fish.html

Amazing how McLeish getting more time leads inevitably to decline everywhere. Quite the opposite of what he said after the Spurs game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Crikey!

Blackburn have sacked their chief-exec for daring to say that Kean should be fired.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 09, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.

There just might be some substance to it, hasn't McLeish been going on about having a crack at the "big time" this summer?  If we do have this money available it is absolutely essential we get the right man in to use it wisely and rebuild the whole senior playing side of the club.   
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 03:34:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 09, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.

There just might be some substance to it, hasn't McLeish been going on about having a crack at the "big time" this summer?  If we do have this money available it is absolutely essential we get the right man in to use it wisely and rebuild the whole senior playing side of the club.

I'd imagine that if this money is there to spend then it hasn't just appeared overnight and forms part of the larger financial strategy along with getting the wages/turnover issue under control.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 09, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Crikey!

Blackburn have sacked their chief-exec for daring to say that Kean should be fired.
He deserves a pay rise for that, maybe even a bonus, anyway..... as CEO couldn't he have just sacked him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 09, 2012, 03:44:52 PM
If there will be £50m available then lets pay mcleish and his cronies off and give the remaining £45m or so to the new manager- if true i would think many managers would be tempted by the villa job with that sort or cash to spend.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 09, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 03:34:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on May 09, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 09, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 11:08:04 AM
Is there any shred of credibility in this or is it just... *sigh*... more Twitter bollocks?
From a good source, we hear.

There just might be some substance to it, hasn't McLeish been going on about having a crack at the "big time" this summer?  If we do have this money available it is absolutely essential we get the right man in to use it wisely and rebuild the whole senior playing side of the club.

I'd imagine that if this money is there to spend then it hasn't just appeared overnight and forms part of the larger financial strategy along with getting the wages/turnover issue under control.

Well, Heskey and Cuellar going frees up (an estimated) 100k from the wage bill, so that's a step forward certainly.

Quote from: eastie on May 09, 2012, 03:44:52 PM
If there will be £50m available then lets pay mcleish and his cronies off and give the remaining £45m or so to the new manager- if true i would think many managers would be tempted by the villa job with that sort or cash to spend.

Spot on, pretty much.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Crikey!

Blackburn have sacked their chief-exec for daring to say that Kean should be fired.

He wrote the letter back in December, (and asked for a cheeky payrise!) but has just been sacked now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Karl bloody Henry!?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 09, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
Randy can win over the fans still by putting that amount in the table and doing the right thing manager wise by firing mcleish and going for a decent quality manager this time- if that means taking someone elses manager then so be it!

Mcleish can never win over the fans- his reign has been shambolic from day one and surely must end in the week or so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Karl bloody Henry!?

We've moved on from that now to talking about the £50m summer warchest.

Do keep up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
OK. £50m!? Did someone slip an extra 0 on?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 09, 2012, 03:56:00 PM
Am I just miserable?  What’s the point in a 50m “warchest” one season and then nothing the next?
I’d prefer that the new manager was promised say 80m to spend over his 4 year contract so that he has to plan more long term.  As proven we cannot afford to spend even 30m net each summer.

Bah, it’s bullshit anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
I think it was actually an extra 'm'!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 09, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Where did this 50m number come from?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 09, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Where did this 50m number come from?

It's completely made up. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
No. 50 million is a real number.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 09, 2012, 04:18:00 PM
it is a real number and its precisely the number of times I've inwardly said 'fuck off you ginger cnut' to myself since my last but one post
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 09, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
No. 50 million is a real number.

I'll only believe in it if you can count to it, Maz.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
No. 50 million is a real number.

I'll only believe in it if you can count to it, Maz.

1...2...3...4...5...6....7....8.....9.....10..... to the power 7.7 or something...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 09, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Karl bloody Henry!?

We've moved on from that now to talking about the £50m summer warchest.

Do keep up!

John's right Lee.

We're already warming up the 'Jonathan Stead to replace Darren Bent' rumour.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villanic on May 09, 2012, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 09, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 09, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 09, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Karl bloody Henry!?

We've moved on from that now to talking about the £50m summer warchest.

Do keep up!

John's right Lee.

We're already warming up the 'Jonathan Stead to replace Darren Bent' rumour.

What is McLeish playing at wanting Stead to replace Bent.

McLeish out! ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: martin o`who?? on May 09, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
I`d be genuinley suprised if he`s got one with us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ads on May 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Does anybody know which Guardian podcasts the McLeish bit is in and how far into it the slating is?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 09, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
Great, £50M. Now we can buy Carroll and Downing from Liverpool. Maybe swap Bent for Carroll so we still have the money to get in Henry to add the steal we need.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Woody on May 09, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
"We are losing fans/customers at an alarming rate. I am very concerned that fans are voting with their feet and not attending, not purchasing and not engaging with the club."

Letter from sacked BRFC CEO to Venkys

Has Paul written a similar letter to Randy?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 09, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 09, 2012, 07:11:20 PM
Great, £50M. Now we can buy Carroll and Downing from Liverpool. Maybe swap Bent for Carroll so we still have the money to get in Henry to add the steal we need.

Can't see him leaving NY Red Bull to come to us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 09, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Does anybody know which Guardian podcasts the McLeish bit is in and how far into it the slating is?

This Monday's about 10 minutes in. Scathing stuff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Trinitymiddle on May 09, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 09, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Does anybody know which Guardian podcasts the McLeish bit is in and how far into it the slating is?

This Monday's about 10 minutes in. Scathing stuff.

Just listened to it - "McLeish is turning Villa into everyone's least favourite team."

Can't disagree.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 09, 2012, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 09, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 09, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Does anybody know which Guardian podcasts the McLeish bit is in and how far into it the slating is?

This Monday's about 10 minutes in. Scathing stuff.

Just listened to it - "McLeish is turning Villa into everyone's least favourite team."

Can't disagree.
As a Villa fan it makes uncomfortable listening but they go to the effort of pointing out that Mcleish is the problem. It's a relief to hear the media having some empathy for us rather than trotting out the Blose connection. They all seem to think that it's unconceivable that he'll be here next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2012, 09:17:28 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 09, 2012, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on May 09, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: Mr Diggles on May 09, 2012, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on May 09, 2012, 07:10:51 PM
Does anybody know which Guardian podcasts the McLeish bit is in and how far into it the slating is?

This Monday's about 10 minutes in. Scathing stuff.

Just listened to it - "McLeish is turning Villa into everyone's least favourite team."

Can't disagree.
As a Villa fan it makes uncomfortable listening but they go to the effort of pointing out that Mcleish is the problem. It's a relief to hear the media having some empathy for us rather than trotting out the Blose connection. They all seem to think that it's unconceivable that he'll be here next season.
They've been saying similar for most of the season.

I've never heard them trot out the Blues nonsense.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 09:31:35 PM
50m warchest? Larf. It that was true you'd have to wonder what the last 2 seasons was about if we're suddenly going into massive debt again. Sadly Henry sounds about right. Classic Villa ploy buying from relegated teams
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 09, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 09:31:35 PM
50m warchest? Larf. It that was true you'd have to wonder what the last 2 seasons was about if we're suddenly going into massive debt again. Sadly Henry sounds about right. Classic Villa ploy buying from relegated teams

Unexpectedly chipper stuff there greg.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Just saying.. the next accounts will probably still be in 20-25m pound loss bracket, so he's gonna spend 50m and put us in line for a loss to rival the last one?? Don't make sense to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dr.Feelgood on May 09, 2012, 09:56:36 PM
only just got in, so apologies if you've already seen this... (Daily Mail piece). He's talking NEXT Season.!!??   >:(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2140762/Alex-McLeish-slams-Aston-Villa-squad.html?ITO=1490
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:00:12 PM
Villa's starting eleven next season under McClueless

GK Given
RB Hutton
CB Dann
CB Johnson
LB The crapper twin from Man U (On Loan)
RM Gabby
CM Ferguson
CM Henry
LM Warnock
CF Zigic
CF Carroll (On Loan)

On the bench

All the youngers ones on the bench who he will get lots of games based on the above 'crocs' and Collins
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Just saying.. the next accounts will probably still be in 20-25m pound loss bracket, so he's gonna spend 50m and put us in line for a loss to rival the last one?? Don't make sense to me.
Agree. The debt/write offs over the last 2 years was front loaded and the income generated so I expected more or less a break even figure (max 15m loss due to reduced match day/ league position prize money this season and next).
Logic suggests there should be dozens of Bosman bargains at the end of next season from other clubs who can be paid 40% of what they are currently on once FFP kicks in. Not that Logic has ever played much of a part in football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
aye. not forgetting we're gonna pick up precious little league placing money this year. 4m or thereabouts i think and god knows what the season tickets will be like or whether SKY will ask not to show us out of pity to their subscription holders. When you cut back as drastically as we have,it's bound to have a knock-on effect with revenues.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
Just saying.. the next accounts will probably still be in 20-25m pound loss bracket, so he's gonna spend 50m and put us in line for a loss to rival the last one?? Don't make sense to me.
Agree. The debt/write offs over the last 2 years was front loaded and the income generated so I expected more or less a break even figure (max 15m loss due to reduced match day/ league position prize money this season and next).
Logic suggests there should be dozens of Bosman bargains at the end of next season from other clubs who can be paid 40% of what they are currently on once FFP kicks in. Not that Logic has ever played much of a part in football.

I disagree, I think the 54m loss was a fair bit of clever accounting and actually made us look in a worse position than the reality.  The FFP regulations basically mean getting rid of long term debts in 1 window of bad accounts and then showing steady improvement is better than the previous system of spreading debts thin to please shareholders.  Given we're privately owned we are even better to do this.  I really wouldn't be shocked to see a bigger pot than we thought.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
aye. not forgetting we're gonna pick up precious little league placing money this year. 4m or thereabouts i think and god knows what the season tickets will be like or whether SKY will ask not to show us out of pity to their subscription holders. When you cut back as drastically as we have,it's bound to have a knock-on effect with revenues.

Easter Monday? Villa v Stoke. Jeeps if there was a more unattractive fixture in the Top League in the last 20 years then I am failing to recall
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2012, 10:21:02 PM

I disagree, I think the 54m loss was a fair bit of clever accounting and actually made us look in a worse position than the reality.  The FFP regulations basically mean getting rid of long term debts in 1 window of bad accounts and then showing steady improvement is better than the previous system of spreading debts thin to please shareholders.  Given we're privately owned we are even better to do this.  I really wouldn't be shocked to see a bigger pot than we thought.

It isn't possible to manipulate the figures in the manner that you suggest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 09, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 09, 2012, 10:21:02 PM

I disagree, I think the 54m loss was a fair bit of clever accounting and actually made us look in a worse position than the reality.  The FFP regulations basically mean getting rid of long term debts in 1 window of bad accounts and then showing steady improvement is better than the previous system of spreading debts thin to please shareholders.  Given we're privately owned we are even better to do this.  I really wouldn't be shocked to see a bigger pot than we thought.

It isn't possible to manipulate the figures in the manner that you suggest.

A bigger pot maybe but that will be next year when the rest of the crap is 'written off'

Risso - how do you think the bankster crooks in the 'City' have got away with it for so many years? That is why the taxpayer subsidised had to underwite the talent in the City mistakes to the tune of £1300bn.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
Risso - how do you think the bankster crooks in the 'City' have got away with it for so many years? That is why the taxpayer subsidised had to underwite the talent in the City mistakes to the tune of £1300bn.

Eh?

The greed of the City and reckless gambling they indulged with, and Villa's accounting procedures don't have anything in common.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 09, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
There might be a vacancy at a familiar club down the road for Mr McLeish..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
Risso - how do you think the bankster crooks in the 'City' have got away with it for so many years? That is why the taxpayer subsidised had to underwite the talent in the City mistakes to the tune of £1300bn.

Eh?

The greed of the City and reckless gambling they indulged with, and Villa's accounting procedures don't have anything in common.

Villa embarked on reckless gambling on excessive transfer fees and wages to get to Top 4 without accountability for the person(s) in charge should they/he fail. And exacerbated by their replacements. Villa (Lerner) has come clean with their debts and could have hidden them like other clubs will/have done prior to FFS kicking in.

The link is that if you have clever accountants/risk managers can make the figures add up to anything and be obfuscated indefinitely. Clubs like Glasgow Rangers who got away with it for a decade. E.g. Bolton's debt is £50m
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 09, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
There might be a vacancy at a familiar club down the road for Mr McLeish..

I wouldn't wish him on The Albyion. I reckon they'd take McCarthy or Ince before him.  ;D
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 09, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:35:16 PM
Risso - how do you think the bankster crooks in the 'City' have got away with it for so many years? That is why the taxpayer subsidised had to underwite the talent in the City mistakes to the tune of £1300bn.

Eh?

The greed of the City and reckless gambling they indulged with, and Villa's accounting procedures don't have anything in common.

Villa embarked on reckless gambling on excessive transfer fees and wages to get to Top 4 without accountability for the person(s) in charge should they/he fail. And exacerbated by their replacements. Villa (Lerner) has come clean with their debts and could have hidden them like other clubs will/have done prior to FFS kicking in.

The link is that if you have clever accountants/risk managers can make the figures add up to anything and be obfuscated indefinitely. Clubs like Glasgow Rangers who got away with it for a decade. E.g. Bolton's debt is £50m
 

Valuing complicated financial derivatives dreamed up by maths Phd graduates is entirely different to the extremely simple accounting procedures of a company like Villa.  You just couldn't manipulate the figures when you're dealing with straight forward items like ticket sales, commercial income, player sales and player wages.  And the Rangers case isn't relevant either.  That revolved around the incorrect use of EBTs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 09, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 09, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 09, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
aye. not forgetting we're gonna pick up precious little league placing money this year. 4m or thereabouts i think and god knows what the season tickets will be like or whether SKY will ask not to show us out of pity to their subscription holders. When you cut back as drastically as we have,it's bound to have a knock-on effect with revenues.

Easter Monday? Villa v Stoke. Jeeps if there was a more unattractive fixture in the Top League in the last 20 years then I am failing to recall

How about Stoke V Villa 8.00 PM on Boxing Day?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'Zimidy on May 09, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 09, 2012, 11:45:06 PM
How about Stoke V Villa 8.00 PM on Boxing Day?

What an awful game that was. Typifies the McLeish era that game.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from: Woody on May 09, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
"We are losing fans/customers at an alarming rate. I am very concerned that fans are voting with their feet and not attending, not purchasing and not engaging with the club."

Letter from sacked BRFC CEO to Venkys

Has Paul written a similar letter to Randy?

He's trying, but he can't settle on the right colour crayon!  ;)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2012, 01:34:11 AM
You have total choice about how you judge a purchase.  You can either spread the cost over the course if it's expected lifetime usage, or you can take the hit.  Under Doug we valued players over the length of the initial contract, from what I can make out the announced accounts took the full hit for the costs of Bent and Makoun up front, that's a big difference in losses but means we aren't carrying those losses forward into the FFP era.  We may have finished the costs of other players as well, that's pretty much the only way the accounts make sense around a 54m loss.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Please just fuck off Alex, virtually noone wants you here. Just leave. If Lerner keeps him it's one of the biggest mistakes he could make.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Please just fuck off Alex, virtually noone wants you here. Just leave. If Lerner keeps him it's one of the biggest mistakes he could make.
I've heard from a friend who has a source close to the club that he'll be gone by Monday I hope to god it's true
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Please just fuck off Alex, virtually noone wants you here. Just leave. If Lerner keeps him it's one of the biggest mistakes he could make.
I've heard from a friend who has a source close to the club that he'll be gone by Monday I hope to god it's true

It's what I'm desperately clinging on to. He has to be gone for this club to move forward, or we will continue in a downward spiral.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: paul_e on May 10, 2012, 01:34:11 AM
You have total choice about how you judge a purchase.  You can either spread the cost over the course if it's expected lifetime usage, or you can take the hit.  Under Doug we valued players over the length of the initial contract, from what I can make out the announced accounts took the full hit for the costs of Bent and Makoun up front, that's a big difference in losses but means we aren't carrying those losses forward into the FFP era.  We may have finished the costs of other players as well, that's pretty much the only way the accounts make sense around a 54m loss.

No you absolutely, 100% can't.  Wages are recognised when they are paid, and the cost of a purchase of a player is spread (ie amortised) over the term of the contract.  That's the standard UK GAAP compliant accounting procedure, that's the accounting policy in the accounts, and that's the policy by which PwC have audited the accounts.  Where do you even get nonsense like that from?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 11:19:11 AM
Well, we won't know until Monday, although undoubtedly there will be endless "he said" "she said" style rumours to get people into a state before then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Please just fuck off Alex, virtually noone wants you here. Just leave. If Lerner keeps him it's one of the biggest mistakes he could make.
I've heard from a friend who has a source close to the club that he'll be gone by Monday I hope to god it's true

It's what I'm desperately clinging on to. He has to be gone for this club to move forward, or we will continue in a downward spiral.

I have no insider knowledge on this, but I do think he will go.

My only concern is that it's done quickly.  Not in the 'I can't wait to see the back of him' way, but just so we have as much time as possible to get a new man in and then give him time to judge our squad and strengthen it as he feels necessary.

Plus, H&V will be a nightmare until he does go!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
I have no insider knowledge on this, but I do think he will go.

My only concern is that it's done quickly.  Not in the 'I can't wait to see the back of him' way, but just so we have as much time as possible to get a new man in and then give him time to judge our squad and strengthen it as he feels necessary.


Absolutely agree. If he's going, then do it ASAP, we can't afford to piss about for a couple of weeks and then do it, before starting to find a new boss.

There is too much work to do, the squad will be smaller than it was last season as more players have reached the end of their contracts.

We need to get the new bloke and his team in as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 11:32:15 AM
Spot on. We have about six players needed minimum this summer so a new man needs time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 11:38:55 AM
I would be a little unseemly to do it after the final whistle on Sunday or anything like that, but I'd hope the deed would be done sometime during next week.

I think 6 players is probably the maximum we can safely integrate at any one time, but such discussions should be on hold until a) we have a new manager and b) he's had a chance to evaluate what he's already got. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
I have no insider knowledge on this, but I do think he will go.

My only concern is that it's done quickly.  Not in the 'I can't wait to see the back of him' way, but just so we have as much time as possible to get a new man in and then give him time to judge our squad and strengthen it as he feels necessary.


Absolutely agree. If he's going, then do it ASAP, we can't afford to piss about for a couple of weeks and then do it, before starting to find a new boss.

There is too much work to do, the squad will be smaller than it was last season as more players have reached the end of their contracts.

We need to get the new bloke and his team in as soon as possible.

Completely agree haste is extremely important to ensure adequate prepartions are made for next season. It's critical we don't completely fuck up trying to find a manager this time as well. Hopefully potential targets have been sounded out already, I've had enough of this being honourable stuff. It is causing us nothing but grief.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...

Exactly.

After the Bolton game I came to the conclusion that his position was completely untennable.  And wouldn't be surprised if Randy did, too!

A football club works best whe the fans, players, manager and board share a common vision of how to move forward.  We will now never have that under Mcleish as he's lost the fans and I believe a decent chunk of the players also.  So a new manager is required that can unite the other elements and we gain some forward momentum again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 10, 2012, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...
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Almost feel sorry for the poor barsteward..almost!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...

Exactly.

After the Bolton game I came to the conclusion that his position was completely untennable.  And wouldn't be surprised if Randy did, too!

A football club works best whe the fans, players, manager and board share a common vision of how to move forward.  We will now never have that under Mcleish as he's lost the fans and I believe a decent chunk of the players also.  So a new manager is required that can unite the other elements and we gain some forward momentum again.

This in bucketloads.

Can you send this to Randy please.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...

Exactly.

After the Bolton game I came to the conclusion that his position was completely untennable.  And wouldn't be surprised if Randy did, too!

A football club works best whe the fans, players, manager and board share a common vision of how to move forward.  We will now never have that under Mcleish as he's lost the fans and I believe a decent chunk of the players also.  So a new manager is required that can unite the other elements and we gain some forward momentum again.
I thought all season that he would see out the 3 years, as I didn't actually expect us to get this bad. I thoguht we'd finish bottom half, maybe 11th?... but, as soon as the second goal went in against Bolton, that was the straw that broke every camals back.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 10, 2012, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
I have no insider knowledge on this, but I do think he will go.

My only concern is that it's done quickly.  Not in the 'I can't wait to see the back of him' way, but just so we have as much time as possible to get a new man in and then give him time to judge our squad and strengthen it as he feels necessary.


Absolutely agree. If he's going, then do it ASAP, we can't afford to piss about for a couple of weeks and then do it, before starting to find a new boss.

There is too much work to do, the squad will be smaller than it was last season as more players have reached the end of their contracts.

We need to get the new bloke and his team in as soon as possible.

Majority of the players will be on a beach this time next week, how is a new manager going to assess the players then?
The only thing I can think of if they were to get a new manager would be the evaluation and recommendations of KMc and Sid.

I dont know..I just have a gut feeling the bloke is going knowhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Indeed, and deserving of printing out in full:

Survival is rarely more shameful. A goal up, at home and against ten men, Aston Villa ended up clinging on for the draw that nudged them over the finishing line. Officially the worst season at home in their 124-league history brought a mere four victories and concluded with the Villa Park faithful adapting the lyrics of long-time favourite chant "Paul McGrath, My Lord" to "Sack McLeish, My Lord".

And then, just to add to the sense of irritation, Alex McLeish said that he expects to remain in charge in next season. That would be a recipe for mediocrity. It is not merely the fact that Villa have a solitary victory in their last 15 games that ought to render his position untenable. It is certainly not the oft-mentioned reality that he used to manage Birmingham, even if that hardly helps his case. It is the combination of his record, his footballing ethos and Villa's unacceptably bad season.

Unflattering statistics abound, but consider this one: Steve Kean, perhaps the most hated manager in recent history, has won 22% of his Premier League games. In the last two seasons, McLeish has won only 20% of his, despite having superior players for much of that time. Admittedly, the latter has an unparalleled commitment to drawing football - while only 15 of 75 matches have ended positively, a further 32 have finished level - but parity is not the purpose of football.

Stalemates should never be the objective, but Villa's most common scoreline this season is 0-0. Much as McLeish objects to the suggestions he is defensive, the numbers tell their own tale. In his last 113 league games, whether with Birmingham or Villa, his sides have scored 112 goals. Such a large sample size cannot be explained by misfortune or a few missed chances, especially when Villa have had the second fewest number of shots on target in the Premier League.

Football is invariably about a balance between attack and defence, but a philosophy is flawed when it is tilted too far in one direction, as McLeish's is. There is only one justification for such negativity and that is success. Villa have had none to enjoy.

If supporters crave excitement and results, the Villa public have had neither. Deprived of entertainment, they have occupied themselves by chanting against the manager. At times, there has been little else to do. Villa have showed a desperate lack of ambition in games - Tottenham away, Liverpool and Manchester United at home, even the trip to then-bottom Wigan - when it has appeared they rarely even attempted to score.

Indeed, examine the progressive players in McLeish's squad and none has benefited from his regime. Certainly not Charles N'Zogbia - inspirational for Wigan last year, and insipid for Villa this - or Darren Bent, a predator starved or service. Not Marc Albrighton, who has regressed after his encouraging debut year last season, nor Barry Bannan, of whom the same could be said. Certainly not Gabriel Agbonlahor, whose last league goal was in November, or Emile Heskey, whose only strike came in August. Even Stephen Ireland, bemusingly voted the fans' player of the year when Shay Given was perhaps the only plausible candidate, has been nowhere near his peak.

While McLeish has, albeit unwittingly, reinvigorated the rebellious fans, he has drained the life out of the team as an attacking force. While the summer sales of Ashley Young and Stewart Downing have been cited in his defence, there is still the feeling that this should be a top-ten squad - indeed, do Fulham, who have had the added complication of a Europa League run, and West Brom have better players?

While Villa have had injuries, so have others and, in any case, they have cover. They are fortunate to have one of the finest crops of emerging players in the country, yet McLeish's natural conservatism means he is unlikely to promote young players and they tend to be demoted when more senior figures are available.

It is a reason to doubt whether next season will be any better. The club's financial losses mean an organic method is imperative. Villa require a manager who can integrate young talents like Albrighton, Bannan, Ciaran Clark, Gary Gardner, Nathan Baker and Andreas Weimann. With gates down, they need a leader who can restore optimism among the support. With the club having traded top six for bottom six in the space of two years, they long for anything remotely resembling their recent past.

Nothing about McLeish suggests he is the man to instigate a revival. His personal slump has lasted two league seasons, while his popularity ratings are unlikely to improve. He has passed the point of no return in his relationship with the Villa supporters and, as an essentially pragmatic man, he should recognise as much.

Yet McLeish's attitude has long suggested self-preservation is his aim. In one respect, that is understandable - he has become another Gary Megson, a manager no fan wants in charge of his or her club, and another chance may not present itself - but in another it is depressing. While both halves of the Second City might unite in disagreeing with this, he is an honourable man in many ways, possessing a fundamental sense of decency - the sort of upstanding individual Randy Lerner tends to appoint.

Now, rather than hanging on for a compensation package, thus becoming the third manager the American owner has had to pay off in short succession, or allowing a dismal situation to become worse, the decent thing is to walk away. Because this has been Villa's poorest season for a quarter of a century, worse even than the dark days under David O'Leary, Graham Taylor and Jozef Venglos. They have survived, just, but McLeish should not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 10, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Its good that most of the press finally realise he is the cause of our on field problems,not the cure of them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Yep, it's all there and succinctly put! Good article.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 10, 2012, 12:34:21 PM
Randy should be sent a copy of articles such as this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 10, 2012, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: James on May 10, 2012, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Yep, it's all there and succinctly put! Good article.
Nails it really.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 11:41:01 AM
I can't see how he can stay, once a manager loses the fans, he ususally ends up going...

Exactly.

After the Bolton game I came to the conclusion that his position was completely untennable.  And wouldn't be surprised if Randy did, too!

A football club works best whe the fans, players, manager and board share a common vision of how to move forward.  We will now never have that under Mcleish as he's lost the fans and I believe a decent chunk of the players also.  So a new manager is required that can unite the other elements and we gain some forward momentum again.

This in bucketloads.

Can you send this to Randy please.

Only if I'm allowed to do it as an open letter and then turn my nose up if Faulkner wants to meet me. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 12:44:17 PM
That article essentially articulates exactly what I and I assume most of us think. It's pretty damning reading and confirms that Mcleish should have absolutely no chance of continuing his dreadful attempts to manage Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maigrait on May 10, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Well found - kinda sums it all up. The man is literally a clown.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Excellent, and well informed, piece.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 10, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
Is there any benefit to sacking now as opposed to after the last game?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
Is there any benefit to sacking now as opposed to after the last game?

Yes the sooner the better.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 10, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
Is there any benefit to sacking now as opposed to after the last game?

Yes the sooner the better.

The fans at the Norwich game could then focus all their attention on giving Carlos a good send off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
Is there any benefit to sacking now as opposed to after the last game?

I don't think so as it would just make us look a little petty.

We are Aston Villa and should conduct ourselves in a more dignified manner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Nah, bollocks to that. Do it. Do it now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ROBBO on May 10, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
I would suggest that if he resigns his integrity at least will remain intact if on the other hand he hangs out for a pay off it certainly will not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 10, 2012, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 10, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
I've yet to read a better summation of the McLeish season than this.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1067003/hubbard:-alex-mcleish-sets-standard-of-mediocrity-at-aston-villa?cc=5739

Great article.  I'd only take issue with the word "mediocrity".  Mediocrity would be ten more points and a couple of places higher.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Only firm assurances that Alex Mcleish will be on his way will make most of us feel better but they can't give these assurances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 10, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
Sack him now, give everyone a lift. The players don't need McLeish's direction for the last game. I'm sure they could muster together a performance without a manager on a single occasion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 10, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

The only way is up? Great song that! Who is going to do the duet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 01:32:06 PM
I wonder how much the club paid Nursey to write that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
I wonder if he was trying to drop a hint by mentioning Lambert?

Howver his gist was that there are some good players here and emerging youth, so it's not all doom and gloom.  A new manager and some decent transfer dealing and we'll be top half next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 10, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 10, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
I wonder if he was trying to drop a hint by mentioning Lambert?

Howver his gist was that there are some good players here and emerging youth, so it's not all doom and gloom.  A new manager and some decent transfer dealing and we'll be top half next season.

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."

I wonder who he has been speaking to.

It sounds to me like give us some positive press and we will give you an exclusive on the search. Nudge nudge wink wink
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."

James Nursey, for ages, never had a good word to say about the powers that be at the club. Then, about 3 months into the Houllier reign, he had a meeting with Houllier and Randy, about which he wrote in his column, and after that point pretty much everything he wrote was positive.

I'm not suggesting he's been shmoozed into compliance, more that he's been far more supportive from that point.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ktvillan on May 10, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
If Mcleish remains in charge, I confidently predict that the only way is definitely not up. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Colhint on May 10, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
i wonder if June 17th is a key date, he will have completed 1 year then, maybe one years  less compo to be paid
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 02:50:33 PM
Quote from: Colhint on May 10, 2012, 02:47:44 PM
i wonder if June 17th is a key date, he will have completed 1 year then, maybe one years  less compo to be paid

I hope not and I doubt it, well can't be hanging around for the sake of a few quid. Being proactive starting with removing the manager is critical this summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."



Good article?  It's nothing more than a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club.  Whatever happened to decent jounalism?  Clearly for some being invited to corporate days out by the club is more important than remaining independent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."

James Nursey, for ages, never had a good word to say about the powers that be at the club. Then, about 3 months into the Houllier reign, he had a meeting with Houllier and Randy, about which he wrote in his column, and after that point pretty much everything he wrote was positive.

I'm not suggesting he's been shmoozed into compliance, more that he's been far more supportive from that point.

It was the words "regardless of pride", i.e. Randy got it wrong last summer, that makes me think I'll be £20 up in the next week or two. *winky*
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 10, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I am 99% sure I bumped into him in Stratford-Upon-Avon earlier. We exchanged a brief moment of eye contact and nothing more.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 03:03:46 PM
I think I saw his reflection in a pool the other day - a bit like at the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street Part 4.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
I saw his likeness in the clouds next to Princess Diana.

It was 0-0
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/05/09/its-time-for-kean-mcleish-to-take-responsibility/?

Whilst the contracts are so ludicrous and without clauses that mean we dont give massive payouts this will exist!!

It should have criteria such as win rates, points, goals scored, goals against etc compared with our competition and where we aim to be in the league...

If i had to have 2 bodyguards at my desk during my working hours, i would walk... but if there was 4 million notes waiting for me if I got sacked then i would stick it out!

Would make it easier for these managers to walk away if contracts were not so ludicrous!...

Love him or hate him... MON had a rolling 1 year contract cos he truly believed in himself... All managers and chairman should take note!

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
Love him or hate him... MON had a rolling 1 year contract cos he truly believed in himself... All managers and chairman should take note!

MON had a rolling one year contract to ensure he could bail with the minimal hassle whenever he wanted, more like.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
Love him or hate him... MON had a rolling 1 year contract cos he truly believed in himself... All managers and chairman should take note!

MON had a rolling one year contract to ensure he could bail with the minimal hassle whenever he wanted, more like.

A long term contract allows you to bail...

If you walk away you dont get a pay out... (same as a short term contract)

So its in the managers favour to have a large contract... cos i bet very few ever see them out before being sacked and getting a huge payout
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 10, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 10, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I am 99% sure I bumped into him in Stratford-Upon-Avon earlier. We exchanged a brief moment of eye contact and nothing more.
Yes i think he lives near Stratford. Saw him in B&Q at the Maybird.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: ez on May 10, 2012, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 10, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I am 99% sure I bumped into him in Stratford-Upon-Avon earlier. We exchanged a brief moment of eye contact and nothing more.
Yes i think he lives near Stratford. Saw him in B&Q at the Maybird.

Was he after a chest of draws?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 10, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."



Good article?  It's nothing more than a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club.  Whatever happened to decent jounalism?  Clearly for some being invited to corporate days out by the club is more important than remaining independent.
Spot on.
It's surprising what hospitality can do for an opinion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:40:32 PM
Another good'n

http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/05/09/busy-summer-expected-for-villa/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 10, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
Alex McLeish claret & blue army.

SCUNThorpe. Obviously.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 03:40:32 PM
Another good'n

http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/05/09/busy-summer-expected-for-villa/

Yeah that nicely sums up the situation.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 10, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 02:52:35 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 10, 2012, 01:07:20 PM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=826799/
Not sure whether this makes me feel better or worse

Good article. I think he's playing the diplomatic card as he's a Villa reporter but the one line that sticks out is this:

"But the powers that be at the club, from Randy Lerner down, definitely do care deeply and will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."



Good article?  It's nothing more than a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club.  Whatever happened to decent jounalism?  Clearly for some being invited to corporate days out by the club is more important than remaining independent.
Spot on.
It's surprising what hospitality can do for an opinion.

It's also surprising what hospitality can for an exclusive.

If "a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club" gets you the inside story that Randy is willing to swallow his pride and sack McLeish, I raise my hat to Nursey. Still, each to there own.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 10, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
If "a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club" gets you the inside story that Randy is willing to swallow his pride and sack McLeish, I raise my hat to Nursey. Still, each to there own.

Where's this story that they're going to sack McLeish?  "Do what is best for AVFC" is just bland hot air, it means nothing.  They could think that keeping McLeish is the best thing for the club, bearing in mind they were mental enough to think that he was the best man for the club last summer. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
.     

Chris Smith does it so much better than you do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2012, 05:28:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
If "a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club" gets you the inside story that Randy is willing to swallow his pride and sack McLeish, I raise my hat to Nursey. Still, each to there own.

Where's this story that they're going to sack McLeish?  "Do what is best for AVFC" is just bland hot air, it means nothing.  They could think that keeping McLeish is the best thing for the club, bearing in mind they were mental enough to think that he was the best man for the club last summer. 

Of course it's hot air if you fail to read the rest of the sentence; "will ultimately do what is best for AVFC this summer regardless of pride."

Time will tell but I'm certainly encouraged.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 10, 2012, 05:28:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 10, 2012, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 10, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
If "a stomach-churning exercise in toadying to the club" gets you the inside story that Randy is willing to swallow his pride and sack McLeish, I raise my hat to Nursey. Still, each to there own.

Where's this story that they're going to sack McLeish?  "Do what is best for AVFC" is just bland hot air, it means nothing.  They could think that keeping McLeish is the best thing for the club, bearing in mind they were mental enough to think that he was the best man for the club last summer.

Trying to read between the lines, I think that's what he is hinting at.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
.     

Chris Smith does it so much better than you do.

We've already had that one. Sorry for having an opinion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
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Chris Smith does it so much better than you do.

We've already had that one. Sorry for having an opinion.

I had not seen it first time round, and sorry Dave, it made me chuckle.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: NiiLamptey on May 10, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/05/09/its-time-for-kean-mcleish-to-take-responsibility/?

Whilst the contracts are so ludicrous and without clauses that mean we dont give massive payouts this will exist!!

It should have criteria such as win rates, points, goals scored, goals against etc compared with our competition and where we aim to be in the league...

If i had to have 2 bodyguards at my desk during my working hours, i would walk... but if there was 4 million notes waiting for me if I got sacked then i would stick it out!

Would make it easier for these managers to walk away if contracts were not so ludicrous!...

Love him or hate him... MON had a rolling 1 year contract cos he truly believed in himself... All managers and chairman should take note!




Erm... it did not stop him taking the club to court over constructive dismissal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2012, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five link=topic=46130.msg2045358#msg2045358
date=1336666135
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
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Chris Smith does it so much better than you do.

We've already had that one. Sorry for having an opinion.

I had not seen it first time round, and sorry Dave, it made me chuckle.


I must admit. It was funnier the second time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 10, 2012, 07:24:01 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 10, 2012, 05:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
The Suicide Watch Thread rolls on and on.
.     

Chris Smith does it so much better than you do.

We've already had that one. Sorry for having an opinion.

I am sorry to see that you have not been too well over the last couple of months.  I hope to see you recover over the next week or so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 10, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
I fully expect randy to pull the trigger and end mcleish's reign within a week from now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 10, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 10, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
I fully expect randy to pull the trigger and end mcleish's reign within a week from now.
Gut instinct or some itk?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 10, 2012, 08:16:43 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on May 10, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 10, 2012, 07:48:13 PM
I fully expect randy to pull the trigger and end mcleish's reign within a week from now.
Gut instinct or some itk?

Bit of both really but i expect it to happen in the next week when  the season ends.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 10, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
It should happen sooner rather than later if it's going to be done. With the Euros and the goddamned olympics this summer I think the game of musical chairs for managers will start early and we don't want to be the chumps left standing when the music stops!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 10, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
Agreed, we dont want the fiasco of the last 2 appointments and i hope randy has identified his man already and is prepared to take him from another club if neccessary- he must be ruthless and not worry about managers breaking contracts.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Fergal on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 10, 2012, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?

I wouldn't - he hasn't been a wanker, just a completely out of his depth catastrophe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2012, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?

No.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?


i dont do much booing, i'm just not a booer,

 i think the last time i actually booed was at a Punch and Judy show, or it could have been Robbie Savage i cant remember which
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 10, 2012, 08:39:39 PM
Last time i booed was when hodge gave that goal away at home to norwich- the atmosphere at that moment was very very bad.

Whatever happened to the slow handclap?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 10, 2012, 08:39:39 PM
Last time i booed was when hodge gave that goal away at home to norwich- the atmosphere at that moment was very very bad.

Whatever happened to the slow handclap?

For me it was when Alpay scored then 'hushed' the Holte End.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Aston Manor on May 10, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
For me it was when they said they had no brown sauce for my nephew's chips.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2012, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: Aston Manor on May 10, 2012, 08:49:16 PM
For me it was when they said they had no brown sauce for my nephew's chips.

Boooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wouldn't red do?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: HalesowenVilla on May 10, 2012, 08:58:44 PM
Im a massive boo'er of mandy dingle in the holte
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 10, 2012, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 10, 2012, 08:39:39 PM
Last time i booed was when hodge gave that goal away at home to norwich- the atmosphere at that moment was very very bad.

Whatever happened to the slow handclap?


every right to boo there mate
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on May 10, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: john e on May 10, 2012, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?


i dont do much booing, i'm just not a booer,

 i think the last time i actually booed was at a Punch and Judy show, or it could have been Robbie Savage i cant remember which

There's a difference?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 10, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 10, 2012, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?

I wouldn't - he hasn't been a wanker, just a completely out of his depth catastrophe.

I agree.  As one journo said the other day 'nice man, wrong job'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
I quite like a boo.  Very rare a referee goes away from a match unbooed by me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?

Its unlikely to happen, at least not in the league.

I can't imagine there will be many other PL chairman fuckwitted enough to give him a job after this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Lizz on May 10, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Sums up my feelings.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 10, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Lizz on May 10, 2012, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Sums up my feelings.
Mine too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 10, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
Mine three
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2012, 11:06:05 PM
I'd be too busy feeling sorry for the team he's now managing, oh, and looking forward to gaining at least a point against them!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Why would you boo him when you are guaranteed at least a point, and hopefully he would see us as an 'elite team' so he would try to keep the score down.

I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 10, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
I can't believe that anybody actually thinks that Alex McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.  It's totally and utterly delusional to expect our inept board will fire the man they fought so hard to hire.  Not a chance.  McLeish is here to stay.  Sad, but ultimately true.  He is going nowhere.  And to answer the question of booing should he ever come back, no, I'd just be so ecstatic that he was not managing us.  Sadly he will remain here and even when he eventually does leave I can't see anyone else being stupid enough to sign him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 10, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Why would you boo him when you are guaranteed at least a point, and hopefully he
would see us as an 'elite team' so he would try to keep the score down.

I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses

Which lies?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 10, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
I can't believe that anybody actually thinks that Alex McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.

I cant believe anybody thinks he wont be. But hey, there you go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 10, 2012, 11:26:19 PM
Slightly off topic, I see Wolves are rumoured to be appointing Stale Solbakken as their new manager.  Interesting choice from leftfield  to say the least.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Why would you boo him when you are guaranteed at least a point, and hopefully he
would see us as an 'elite team' so he would try to keep the score down.

I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses

Which lies?

All of them
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Why would you boo him when you are guaranteed at least a point, and hopefully he
would see us as an 'elite team' so he would try to keep the score down.

I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses

Which lies?

All of them

Like?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 11, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 10, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
I can't believe that anybody actually thinks that Alex McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.

I cant believe anybody thinks he wont be. But hey, there you go.

Nothing our board has done in the last few years gives me the belief that they will make the right decision and sack him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 11, 2012, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 10, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 10, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: villadom link=topic=46130.msg2045687#msg2045687
date=1336687586
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be

Why would you boo him when you are guaranteed at least a point, and hopefully he
 
would see us as an 'elite team' so he would try to keep the score down.

I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses

Which lies?

All of them

Like?

Invented anything yet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 11, 2012, 12:36:25 AM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 11, 2012, 12:17:05 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 10, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: Holtenderinthesky on May 10, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
I can't believe that anybody actually thinks that Alex McLeish will be sacked at the end of the season.

I cant believe anybody thinks he wont be. But hey, there you go.

Nothing our board has done in the last few years gives me the belief that they will make the right decision and sack him.

The only real massive bollock they've dropped (plenty of mistakes, yes) is in appointing him. A situation they will address presently in my opinion.
You would have to believe they were actually mentally ill to persist with him.
Despite my frustration with them for their naivety, I dont think they are actuallly mentally ill.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on May 11, 2012, 12:38:20 AM
According to the Daily Heil, McSheesh is top of the charts to get the chop, pop pickers! Ahead of Steve Keane and Terry Connor: illustrious company for McClueless.

Firing Line: Will season finale see McLeish become the Villa victim in summer shake-up? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2142482/Firing-Line-Will-season-finale-Alex-McLeish-Villa-victim-summer-shake-up.html)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 11, 2012, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2012, 10:22:43 PM
Quote from: Fergal Bent on May 10, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Would you boo AM if he came back as manager of another club?

Its unlikely to happen, at least not in the league.

I can't imagine there will be many other PL chairman fuckwitted enough to give him a job after this season.

Though it might be with a Championship team that he is able to bring up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 11, 2012, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: villadom on May 10, 2012, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 10, 2012, 10:30:13 PM
I wouldn't boo him. I think he's a thoroughly decent man and I find the abuse of him pretty distasteful
(not the booing of the team, the personal insults)

He's just not a good enough manager for Villa and I hate the way his sides play. It's the opposite of everything I think football should be
I have never met him, nor I suspect have a lot of posters on here, so the acceptance that he is a thoroughly decent man rings untrue when his public face is a litany of lies and excuses
Lies? That's a strange comment.
I have met him many years ago when he played for Abderdeen and he was a gentleman but you don't have to meet someone to establish if that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2012, 08:57:14 AM
but he constantly blames everything and everyone other than himself everytime something goes wrong and that isn't the action of a gentleman. to paraphrase the good doctor, denigrating others is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 09:04:49 AM
Whilst I never enjoy it, I would take us getting beaten on Sunday provided it hastened his exit. I just cannot see how he can remain in the job, this is the worst season in an absolute age and he has presided over a dubious home record that will take some beating.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 11, 2012, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 11, 2012, 12:38:20 AM
According to the Daily Heil, McSheesh is top of the charts to get the chop, pop pickers! Ahead of Steve Keane and Terry Connor: illustrious company for McClueless.

Firing Line: Will season finale see McLeish become the Villa victim in summer shake-up? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2142482/Firing-Line-Will-season-finale-Alex-McLeish-Villa-victim-summer-shake-up.html)


Wouldn,t disagree with much of that list, other than Martin Jol seems to be a bit high at 8. He's done a very efficient job at Fulham this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 09:45:37 AM
The Martin Jol one is a bit strange, though once you're below no. 5 you can feel fairly safe I would have thought.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 11, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
I thought these sort of betting markets were based on leaving the job as opposed to actually being sacked, mainly due to the regularly used 'mutual consent'? 

If so I think Rodgers and Lambert should be higher based on the possibility of them being lured away by bigger clubs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 11, 2012, 11:25:08 AM
Quite. Give me a really competent bastard any day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
Agreed Mr Winch.  I can't say that he comes across as any nicer or not than the majority of managers.  Possibly an improvement on O'Neill in the niceness stakes, but as you say, who cares.  Alex Ferguson always comes across as an absolute ******, as did Mourinho.  I'd take single-minded winners over incompetent nice blokes every time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paulcomben on May 11, 2012, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 11, 2012, 09:32:30 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on May 11, 2012, 12:38:20 AM
According to the Daily Heil, McSheesh is top of the charts to get the chop, pop pickers! Ahead of Steve Keane and Terry Connor: illustrious company for McClueless.

Firing Line: Will season finale see McLeish become the Villa victim in summer shake-up? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2142482/Firing-Line-Will-season-finale-Alex-McLeish-Villa-victim-summer-shake-up.html)


That took some doing, considering that Connor has already gone this morning.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 11:57:17 AM
It is an indictment of his performance that we go into the final day of the season not mathematically safe from relegation. I appreciate we won't go down due to goal difference, but not to be mathematically safe shows what an awful job he's done.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "


That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 11, 2012, 09:51:46 AM
I thought these sort of betting markets were based on leaving the job as opposed to actually being sacked, mainly due to the regularly used 'mutual consent'? 

If so I think Rodgers and Lambert should be higher based on the possibility of them being lured away by bigger clubs.

The markets are usually first to leave, whatever the reason. There's too much murkiness in what constitutes sacking and what doesn't for bookies to distinguish the reasons for a manager leaving.

Also, check out the small print if you're betting on next manager to leave and it is close season.

I had a decent wedge on MON next to leave at something daft like 25/1 in the close season a few weeks before he left. So, when he went, I was delighted (obviously in terms of my financial game, I was, of course, utterly devastated that the Messiah had decided he didn't love us any more and thrown his toys out of the pram, the ******), only to have the bookie say that those markets are actually "first manager to leave in the next season" and as the season hadn't started, they weren't going to honour the bet.

The only reason I got it honoured in the end was because we (at work) deal with them a lot (the bookie in question) and we knew the sportsbook manager, who sorted it for us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

People who have met Mcleish do think he's a nice guy, and, especially if they are not Villa fans, will feel sympathy for him.  As you say what difference does it make to us as long as he goes?  We don't want nice guy managers who perform badly and I don't think we want the title as 'nicest fans' either, so who cares?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "


That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

Lawro is an absolute cock socket of the highest order, who, for years, has sat there perched on his MOTD stool spouting the same dozen or so cliches at random, and getting paid a good wedge for it.

If anything symbolises the increasing shitness of the BBC's football coverage, it is the endurance of dinosaurs like him, and the introduction of gobby fuckwits like Robbie Savage.

Not to mention Colin Shitting Murray and the car crash which is MOTD2
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

People who have met Mcleish do think he's a nice guy, and, especially if they are not Villa fans, will feel sympathy for him.  As you say what difference does it make to us as long as he goes?  We don't want nice guy managers who perform badly and I don't think we want the title as 'nicest fans' either, so who cares?

Because Lawrenson isn't just saying he's a nice guy (which I am sure he is), end of. He's saying he hopes he stays in place as our manager.

So, in other words, ignore the fact we've only won 7 games all season, the fact we've had our worst home season since 1888, all that stuff, ignore that, McLeish is a nice bloke so here's hoping he keeps his job.

It is patronising bollocks, and he wouldn't dare come out with stuff like that for one of the "big" teams they slaver over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2012, 12:29:39 PM
Most non-Villa fans I speak to would have no sympathy if he was sacked, as they too rightly see that he's an awful boss with a horrible atitude towards the way football should be played.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2012, 12:30:53 PM
Football would be great for all those making a living out of it, if it wasn't for those moaning twats like us who expect something in return for the money we're expected to shell out on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:40:52 PM
I've long since made the observation that these guys sit around making bland platitudes and sticking up for their own (especially if it's likely they'll be sharing a sofa with them as pundits at any time in the future, which they probably will be).  I really couldn't give a stuff what they say or think over this issue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SteveD on May 11, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
There is a smug, matey, inner circle of ex-players/pundits, the manager pool and some journalists, who share rounds of golf and mutual support.

McLeish appears to be a decent man, by all accounts personable, who has kept his dignity. Not surprised at all he has friends in football.
I just think the Villa job is beyond him, as it probably would be some others. Not just down to his abilities and limitations, but he's dealing with a club financially contracting and going into its shell, while he will always carry the burden with some of where he came from for the failings. He's also probably also the unluckiest manager we've had regarding injuries etc for many seasons.
I just wish some pundits would see beyond the protesters. It's not because he's blue, it's because he hasn't got a clue.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SteveD on May 11, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
Quote
sticking up for their own

None worse than "Kenny". He's always "Kenny" to all the pundits (ex-teammates) and those hacks he keeps close. He hasn't got a surname. Editorial rigour out of the window.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2012, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 12:10:23 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "


That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

I am getting peeved that a good chuck of the television media seem to be blaming us for Villa's crap season. Do we train, coach and motivate? Do we pass, dribble, shoot, block?
The fact that 32,000+ souls continue to pay (not necessarily) turn up on an average basis means that the fans are the 1 bleeding positive thing.

I don't care is he is Joseph Stalin or the Virgin Mary. He is out of his depth and shouldn't be here beyond Sunday evening.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 11, 2012, 01:16:03 PM
Coming from the Blues has actually helped him ! Any criticism from fans he gets is attributed to fans not accepting where he came from ..which has meant by and large he has got away scot free (no pun intended) from what a poor job he has done.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 11, 2012, 01:24:55 PM
McLeish's record isn't good enough, it show, regardless of his past club(s) that he shouldn't be a Premier League manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: SteveD on May 11, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
There is a smug, matey, inner circle of ex-players/pundits, the manager pool and some journalists, who share rounds of golf and mutual support.

McLeish appears to be a decent man, by all accounts personable, who has kept his dignity. Not surprised at all he has friends in football.
I just think the Villa job is beyond him, as it probably would be some others. Not just down to his abilities and limitations, but he's dealing with a club financially contracting and going into its shell, while he will always carry the burden with some of where he came from for the failings. He's also probably also the unluckiest manager we've had regarding injuries etc for many seasons.
I just wish some pundits would see beyond the protesters. It's not because he's blue, it's because he hasn't got a clue.

I wouldn't say he's been any more unlucky than Houllier with injuries, if anything he's had it better. He had plenty of time with a full squad and he still set the team out for pathetic surrenders, Spurs away comes to mind. He's just completely out of his depth and can't set a team up to attack and he has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
I also think the fans - at the matches - were extraordinarily patient with him.

This nonsense about how we all hate him becasue of where he came from ..... he got less hassle than Houllier got.

Maybe we just didn't like where Houllier came from, either. France.

Not in my name, btw, I fucking love France, especially the food.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
He's had a very easy ride and when he is fired next week(i'm going with the positive) he will leave and claim he never had a chance as we never accepted him as he came from blose. The media and most of football will believe him, and he'll walk into another job and more fool the idiots who hire him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:46:12 PM
I'd agree the McMinge got a very easy ride considering his record this season and the mindnumbing football that we've played.

What these TV twats don't understand is that barring a small minority most of us wanted him to work out precisly because of where he came from.  Nothing would have given us greater pleasure than to have had him come from the Dogshitters and lead us to an FA Cup or something.

But after a few months, when the surrendering, insipid displays really started in earnest, the talking down of the whole Club, refusing to accept any responsibility, lack of home wins, points or even purpose to our play, we began to call him out on it. 

It took 86 minutes of the penultimate game of the season whilst losing against a side that'll likely get relegated before he finally got any serious vocal stick.

I think the home support has been unbelievably patient considering, I can think of many Clubs where that hasn't/wouldn't be the case at all.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 01:49:36 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:46:12 PM
I'd agree the McMinge got a very easy ride considering his record this season and the mindnumbing football that we've played.

What these TV twats don't understand is that barring a small minority most of us wanted him to work out precisly because of where he came from.  Nothing would have given us greater pleasure than to have had him come from the Dogshitters and lead us to an FA Cup or something.

But after a few months, when the surrendering, insipid displays really started in earnest, the talking down of the whole Club, refusing to accept any responsibility, lack of home wins, points or even purpose to our play, we began to call him out on it. 

It took 86 minutes of the penultimate game of the season whilst losing against a side that'll likely get relegated before he finally got any serious vocal stick.

I think the home support has been unbelievably patient considering, I can think of many Clubs where that hasn't/wouldn't be the case at all.

Pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
His comments from todays press conference are as bizarre as they come.

Apparently he is unaware there is even discussion about his future and sully expects to be in charge next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 01:55:57 PM
He should be embarrassed to even think he'll be in the job next year, he's been as big an utter failure as I can remember.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
His comments from todays press conference are as bizarre as they come.

Apparently he is unaware there is even discussion about his future and sully expects to be in charge next season.

OK, one of two scenarios;

A) Playing hard ball for his contract pay up.

B) Randy has told him he's safe.

I refuse to believe that he genuinely doesn't know/think that there is widespread discussion and rumour about his position - that's just laughable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Actually that didn't really occur to me before, but if he's supposed to be such a nice and dignified guy then surely he should realise that he has fallen so far short of what he initially claimed he'd do, he should really walk away. I wouldn't resign due to the pay off, but then maybe I'm not 'nice and dignified'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
His comments from todays press conference are as bizarre as they come.

Apparently he is unaware there is even discussion about his future and sully expects to be in charge next season.

OK, one of two scenarios;

A) Playing hard ball for his contract pay up.

B) Randy has told him he's safe.

I refuse to believe that he genuinely doesn't know/think that there is widespread discussion and rumour about his position - that's just laughable.

If he Randy had told him he was safe then he would have told the media and there would be articles on the OS. Also if the target was to stay up PF would have come out and backed the manager this week.

The fact non of that has happened tells me he is a goner and he knows it and is playing the game.


EDIT: Also an interesting quote from today's press conference:

Alex Mcleish:"Things haven't been right this season. I've emailed the chief executive and I'm hoping we'll have a meeting next week."

Why not see him? or call him? It seems the board have made their mind up to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
His comments from todays press conference are as bizarre as they come.

Apparently he is unaware there is even discussion about his future and sully expects to be in charge next season.

OK, one of two scenarios;

A) Playing hard ball for his contract pay up.

B) Randy has told him he's safe.

I refuse to believe that he genuinely doesn't know/think that there is widespread discussion and rumour about his position - that's just laughable.

If he Randy had told him he was safe then he would have told the media and there would be articles on the OS. Also if the target was to stay up PF would have come out and backed the manager this week.

The fact non of that has happened tells me he is a goner and he knows it and is playing the game.


Yeah you would think that given the widespread speculation, if he was definitely being backed a statement would have been made by now. He has to be a goner, or all hell will break loose.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Small Rodent on May 11, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 01:37:47 PM


Not in my name, btw, I fucking love France, especially the food.


All English love the French. Lefties like me love the way they strike and protest. Right-wingers love the way the Police are allowed to beat the strikers up!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 11, 2012, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on May 11, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 01:37:47 PM


Not in my name, btw, I fucking love France, especially the food.


All English love the French. Lefties like me love the way they strike and protest. Right-wingers love the way the Police are allowed to beat the strikers up!

I like the location. Viva le distance!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 11, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 11, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM


EDIT: Also an interesting quote from today's press conference:

Alex Mcleish:"Things haven't been right this season. I've emailed the chief executive and I'm hoping we'll have a meeting next week."

Why not see him? or call him? It seems the board have made their mind up to me.

Didn't he quit the Blues by e-mail? Maybe he's done it again? Fingers crossed
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 11, 2012, 03:22:18 PM
Is he still here ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: David_Nab on May 11, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
Apparantly he said in the in the press confrence ,Fergie has told him there are stronger squads below us in the league !!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
EDIT: Also an interesting quote from today's press conference:

Alex Mcleish:"Things haven't been right this season. I've emailed the chief executive and I'm hoping we'll have a meeting next week."

Why not see him? or call him? It seems the board have made their mind up to me.

There's always the chance that when he says he's not aware his job is under threat, he's actually telling the truth.

Maybe it isn't. The suggestion that it hasn't been discussed, and that he'll just be dropping an email to freshfacedhalfwit@cloudcuckooland.com next week to discuss what's happening is, i think, enitrely believable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2012, 03:48:37 PM
and of course that will be mailed to madgingerman@planetcoconut.com
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 11, 2012, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 11, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
Apparantly he said in the in the press confrence ,Fergie has told him there are stronger squads below us in the league !!

Fergie can keep his fucking big red beak out of it.  Worry about your own lot
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on May 11, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
There's a simple counter-argument to anyone who starts spouting the 'McLeish is actually a good manager / decent bloke / it didn't work because you didn't accept him' crap.

Simply ask them ' would you swap YOUR manager for McLeish right now?' and you'll be surprised how their opinion changes.

So Mr Lawrensen? Do you fancy sacking Kenny and replacing him with the Ginger one?
No?  Why not? You were just saying if only he had the backing of the fans....


Ah Mr Ferguson? You are retiring shortly are you not? Then surely you'll be recommending a successor to the Utd board? That will be your protιgιe , young Alex then? 
No? Really? Because only last year you wrote a letter saying.....


Believe it or not , I actually used this ploy on -of all people- a Wolves fan (before their new manager was announced) and despite him telling me the merits of McLeish and how he must be given time etc, he surprisingly turned down the offer to take him off our hands with a 'yeah....erm.....no....because...well...erm'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 11, 2012, 04:43:21 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
His comments from todays press conference are as bizarre as they come.

Apparently he is unaware there is even discussion about his future and sully expects to be in charge next season.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/JohnSandie/ComicalAli3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 11, 2012, 04:45:46 PM
Very good mr woo. I was just watching Deal or No Deal and thinking that if the various amounts of money were substited for football managers McLeish would be the equivalent of the 1p box.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 11, 2012, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 11, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
Apparantly he said in the in the press confrence ,Fergie has told him there are stronger squads below us in the league !!

Where is this press conference ??
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 11, 2012, 05:29:09 PM
I'm starting to worry again

http://aggbot.com/Aston-Villa-News/article/16825709
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 11, 2012, 05:34:28 PM
God he talks bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 11, 2012, 04:59:10 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on May 11, 2012, 03:36:57 PM
Apparantly he said in the in the press confrence ,Fergie has told him there are stronger squads below us in the league !!

Where is this press conference ??

Well if that is true, firstly it's bollocks and secondly who gives a ****** what Fergie thinks?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:36:35 PM
we have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.



only four or five in 19 games ?????? . 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:36:35 PM
we have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.



only four or five in 19 games ?????? . 

Fuck off Mcleish, just fuck off. He has to be out of the club as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 05:40:03 PM
That better have been his last pre-match press conference as Aston Villa manager. If it isn't we are in big trouble.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .

He managed 9 in 25, so a further 6-7 in 19 would have been likely, but he has not missed 19 league games anyhow, so surely he is talking total and utter shit?

Also, he said we knew it was going to be difficult, which he has fallen back on more and more lately! This continual tripe about how tough it was going to be.

Swansea, Norwich, Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn, QPR, Wigan, Sunderland, West Brom are 9 sides we have a better first 11 and comparable squad too IMO. Yet we are meant to swallow this line we should be pleased to have survived like he has worked some fucking latter day parting of the seas.

It is all bollocks, and he is spouting more and more of it by the week. He is well into O'Leary territory now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 11, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Yesterday I was upbeat about our future and a new vision for the club and then you see a AM interview and start to worry that we will have more months of what we have already had.

Or is this the  words of a man in a imaginary world, or just a man waffling to the press just to give them something. I hope this is not the voice of a man who has been told his job is safe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 11, 2012, 06:07:53 PM
So we missed 4 or 5 Darren Bent goals in 19 games. If Mcleish reckons that Bent's return in a season is 8 to 10 goals then it shows his expectations of a top finisher in one of his teams.  Utter drivel once again and I really don't want to hear much more of this man's bullshit.

Please just f*ck off now
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 11, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
Sounds like he's speculating for another job to me. 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
That's it he's more annoying than O'Leary for me now. His sheer inability to admit he's done a terrible job or any responsibility is infuriating.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 11, 2012, 06:07:53 PM
So we missed 4 or 5 Darren Bent goals in 19 games. If Mcleish reckons that Bent's return in a season is 8 to 10 goals then it shows his expectations of a top finisher in one of his teams.  Utter drivel once again and I really don't want to hear much more of this man's bullshit.

Please just f*ck off now

this
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Adam Gittins on May 11, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .

Touches?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 11, 2012, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .

I agree. McLeish has no idea how to organize an offense that would allow Darren to get the ball. I think Bent wants out, he's never around, doesn't turn up to games and seems genuinely disinterested in the Villa. I don't blame him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr woo on May 11, 2012, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: Adam Gittins on May 11, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .


Touches?

I believe the phrase these days is LOL. Very good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 11, 2012, 07:09:54 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 11, 2012, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:38:52 PM
Mind , the way he played Darren Bent , probably would have struggled to get 4 or 5 .
I think Bent wants out, he's never around, doesn't turn up to games and seems genuinely disinterested in the Villa. I don't blame him.
Isn't it called an injury? A bad one too?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 11, 2012, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 11, 2012, 05:36:35 PM
we have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.



only four or five in 19 games ?????? . 
That is actually hilarious, get him out Randy ffs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2012, 07:31:18 PM
I think I managed about a third of that story on sky before having to close it from risk of breaking my PC in anger.  you can still see the shape of my hand on the mouse from the grip tightening.

Anyone who says he's a decent or honourable person just needs to read his comments from the last month and compare them to his first month at the club.  I refuse to accept anyone as a decent person if they're totally unwilling to accept their own flaws.  Nice maybe, but not decent or honourable, he's thrown other people on the fire far too many times for me.  The only way he could get any respect from me now is to walk away with no payout admitting that he'd failed the club and fans.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
i've read elsewhere that neither PF or RL are going to be at the game with PF away until Monday. Anything in that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jonc73 on May 11, 2012, 08:11:19 PM
I just watched the whole press conference and think he's staying.

It was O'Leary-esque at time, some of the arguments are paper thin, and the journalists never seem to ask him a direct question.Wish Jeremy Paxman was  there today.

Now it seems it was always going to be a long hard season-why did he state he was going to try and finish above 9th?

He was even congratulated for keeping us up!

Lerner appointed him last year and hell probably keep him.Why would he change his mind-wishful thinking aside?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 11, 2012, 07:48:43 PM
i've read elsewhere that neither PF or RL are going to be at the game with PF away until Monday. Anything in that?

McLeish said he'd emailed Faulkner re getting together for a chat and been told "I'm available next week".

Honestly, when i read shit like that, I do start to think that they genuinely are thinking of keeping this bloke on. I genuinely can't see how anyone with the best interests of the team at heart could even consider doing that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 08:13:08 PM
He's change his mind, because Mcleish has done such a bad job that there are nobodies expectations it could have met. This is a real tipping point for the club, he has to go or an enormous rift will open between the club and the fans and we will continue in a downward spiral.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 08:15:57 PM
If we kept him on, it'd really just feel so utterly hopeless.

They'd deserve the shit gates they'd get next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 11, 2012, 08:18:28 PM
If he stays it would be due to sheer pig headedness on Randys part. Custodian of the club ,my arse
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 11, 2012, 08:29:00 PM
Can't we get someone to write a letter a la Sorenson?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on May 11, 2012, 08:42:16 PM
I stick by my prediction that he will go at Christmas.   The board and Lerner will bottle it.   The soft option is to let him stay.   He will stay until we are five points adrift at the bottom of the Premiership then they will sack him.


The one certain thing you can say about this owner and this board is that they will always do the wrong thing.   He will stay for half the season then whether or not we get relegated depends upon who replaces him and how much money he is given to save us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 08:45:16 PM
Lerner you fool you have to sack Mcleish, get your thumb out of your ass. It will cost you so much if you don't
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 11, 2012, 08:53:54 PM
Goodness me lads, stop panicking and relax, mcleish will not be manager of aston villa in a weeks time- enjoy sunday as it will be his last game im sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2012, 08:54:07 PM
not getting rid will cause irreparable damage to the club and next season will be a deeply hostile experience for all parties
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 11, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
So AM has e-mailed Faulkner to request a meeting ? Shouldn't it be the other way round?


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2012, 09:03:35 PM
If it looks like shit, smells like shit, is brown like shit, then it's most likely, McLeish.  Shit season, very, very shit.  Surely to God Randy and fatty Faulkner see this for what it is?  Sack the shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 11, 2012, 09:04:36 PM
'You really enjoy it when your team is winning regularly. We didn't do that enough'  No we didn't a winning streak of 1 Alex you fucking clown.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
When managing in England his teams have never won regularly. He truly is one of the worst managers to have had the luck to manage in the top division. He should have been sacked months ago, and must be sacked following this game or we are fucked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Simba on May 11, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
I truly do not understand the sympathy for the man. Decent or not he is a failure. By any measure.

We are a football club paying him massive sums of money for his expertise. We are also a business and losing both money and respect because of his 'style' of football. Anyone with any knowledge is amazed that we stuck with him.

If he did, in fact, have any decency and based entirely on the 20% two season win ratio- he would resign.

Yes Alex. Resign. You are not good enough. Have some dignity. Enjoy your wealth. But away from Villa Park and rip up the contract if you want respect. Don't force us to fire you and pay you out.

Sympathy? Fuck that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
When managing in England his teams have never won regularly. He truly is one of the worst manager's to have had the luck to manage in the top division. He should have been sacked months ago, and must be sacked following this game or we are fucked.
Ive said this for a long time,HE will still be in charge of us at the start of next season, no doubt on that one.We are on a downward spiral with this bloke and everyone can see it,apart from those who control our club. Look at Wolves new manager,class manager with a great track record, champions league experiance with Copenhagen. What the fuck are we doing paying 2 million a year to this tosser?Can somebody give us Villa fans a ray of light for next season?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
I don't entirely agree on the Wolves manager having a great track record, he just got Cologne relegated. However at least they've got themselves sorted early and cast their net wide in the search for a manager. On the ray of light, unless Mcleish goes there is no light just one massive black cloud. If the board don't see that they'll get everything they deserve, sadly the fans will have to suffer from that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 11, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
Interesting managerial choice.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
All this "he's a really nice bloke" bollocks.  He's a deluded arse who actually thinks he's done a decent job.  He probably thinks Pardew has nicked his Manager of the year Year trophy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 11, 2012, 09:50:34 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 11, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
When managing in England his teams have never won regularly. He truly is one of the worst manager's to have had the luck to manage in the top division. He should have been sacked months ago, and must be sacked following this game or we are fucked.
Ive said this for a long time,HE will still be in charge of us at the start of next season, no doubt on that one.We are on a downward spiral with this bloke and everyone can see it,apart from those who control our club. Look at Wolves new manager,class manager with a great track record, champions league experiance with Copenhagen. What the fuck are we doing paying 2 million a year to this tosser?Can somebody give us Villa fans a ray of light for next season?
Don't get fooled by the exotic Scandanavian name, I watch quite alot of German football and Koln were absolutely dross under him, if it wasn't for Podolski's goals they would've had literally nothing, you could say they're the German Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 11, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Don't feel sorry for him, anyone who has attended a consultation meeting at work where there are 20 of you having it explained to you that there are only 10 jobs in the new business model ,so half of you are out, will know how that compares to someone on £2 million a year who will walk away with a fat compensation cheque.
He will stop worrying about the Villa within 5 minutes as he drives off in his expensive car.
We on the other hand will worry and care about Villa till we die.
The last twelve months have been absolutely fuckin' awful, the thought of the same next season is unbearable.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 11, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
Interesting managerial choice.
The only manager to have a proper ruck with Guardiola and show no fear. Just what we need at Villa don't you think? The never say die attitude is what we need.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
This is the point, the thought of another season under Mcleish is genuinely unbearable. For that reason alone he has to go, let alone all the other perfectly good and other reasons.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
But will he go ? That is the 4 MILLION £ question.We all know he has to go, but will he?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 11, 2012, 10:19:23 PM
Tune in on Sunday for the next exciting instalment...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 11, 2012, 10:33:52 PM
I think it's 50 50. I think the board are happy with his performance but probably realise the opposition of a vast majority of the fans make his position untenable. If they do sack him, I think they will always put it down to him not being accepted because of his last job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on May 11, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
I'd say it's more six and two threes myself
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 11, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
Either way, it's Alex's favourite result!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 11, 2012, 10:19:23 PM
Tune in on Sunday for the next exciting instalment...
............Of the greatest Villa draw ever!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2012, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 11, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Don't feel sorry for him, anyone who has attended a consultation meeting at work where there are 20 of you having it explained to you that there are only 10 jobs in the new business model ,so half of you are out, will know how that compares to someone on £2 million a year who will walk away with a fat compensation cheque.
He will stop worrying about the Villa within 5 minutes as he drives off in his expensive car.
We on the other hand will worry and care about Villa till we die.
The last twelve months have been absolutely fuckin' awful, the thought of the same next season is unbearable.

Well said
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on May 11, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Don't feel sorry for him, anyone who has attended a consultation meeting at work where there are 20 of you having it explained to you that there are only 10 jobs in the new business model ,so half of you are out, will know how that compares to someone on £2 million a year who will walk away with a fat compensation cheque.
He will stop worrying about the Villa within 5 minutes as he drives off in his expensive car.
We on the other hand will worry and care about Villa till we die.
The last twelve months have been absolutely fuckin' awful, the thought of the same next season is unbearable.

Too fucking right.

I have spent this week doing one thing at work - making people redundant - and then coming home and hearing about one thing, my Mrs's fight to not get made redundant.

McLeish going won't cause me to lose a nanosecond's sleep - he is part of that circus of deeply underwhelming "faces" who waltz into £3m pa jobs at the top level of the game purely because they're a known face.

And Ferguson can go and shit his bed, too, the ******. Who gives a fucking shit what he thinks about our manager (except, obviously, our chairman who was sufficiently clueless to admit to a national newspaper that a supportive letter from him is something he stores under lock and key, so precious is it).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard on May 11, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Lets just all hope and pray that this nightmare is ended next week. Am unfortunately not convinced either way but imagine how happy this site will be if that piss poor excuse for a manager is no longer in our employment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2012, 11:00:25 PM
Quote from: Richard on May 11, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Lets just all hope and pray that this nightmare is ended next week. Am unfortunately not convinced either way but imagine how happy this site will be if that piss poor excuse for a manager is no longer in our employment.

Hope not expect.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 11, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
Sorry to be the grim reaper but from the interviews AM has given this week unless we lose 17 nil at Norwich I think he's staying put.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 11, 2012, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 11, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
The only manager to have a proper ruck with Guardiola and show no fear. Just what we need at Villa don't you think? The never say die attitude is what we need.

Yes, just what we need. A manager to fight with the other managers and still get us relegated. Marvellous.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 11:34:26 PM
I think i'd have a little cry if we started next season with him still here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 11:34:26 PM
I think i'd have a little cry if we started next season with him still here.

Me too.

'I spoke to my ex-boss last night and he thought some of the squads below us were stronger than us,' said McLeish, 'that's a measure of where we are at the moment and the number of young kids we have.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2143182/Youve-great-job-keeping-Aston-Villa-Premier-League-Ferguson-tells-McLeish.html#ixzz1ubTj0QBG

DOL made us appear worse than mid table sides with his comments. McLeish is now making out we are worse than sides being relegated. I have not felt abusive just wanted him out so far. Tonight, he can fuck off. What a pile of fucking twaddle. You have Englands number 9, a french left winger who was brilliant for Wigan last season, a central midfield player with form and flair you haven't a clue how to utilise, 4 international centre halves, one of the top 3-4 keepers in the league, international full backs etc. Some of the "kids" he refers too are also full international players. He is completely fucking clueless. Had enough. It is a shame a full 40k didn't protest properly last week.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 11, 2012, 11:46:02 PM
He's properly cutting himself off from reality now.  I think he's drinking from the same bottle Paul Merson was when he said Villa would have had the same kind of season had Wenger, Ferguson or Mourinho been in charge.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 11:48:06 PM
Done well? Fuck right off Fergie you wanker. I hope you spend every year you remain at Manure being royally rogered up the ass by City. Tosser.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 11:48:06 PM
Done well? Fuck right off Fergie you wanker. I hope you spend every year you remain at Manure being royally rogered up the ass by City. Tosser.

Yeah, my wanting United to win it over City has long gone. I hope City lose to QPR, then in a cruel, but amusing twist of fate Kieron Richardson crosses to John O'Shea to beat United too, handing City the title.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 11, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2012, 11:43:10 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2012, 11:34:26 PM
I think i'd have a little cry if we started next season with him still here.

Me too.

'I spoke to my ex-boss last night and he thought some of the squads below us were stronger than us,' said McLeish, 'that's a measure of where we are at the moment and the number of young kids we have.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2143182/Youve-great-job-keeping-Aston-Villa-Premier-League-Ferguson-tells-McLeish.html#ixzz1ubTj0QBG
The bloke is a complete embarrasment and a cancer to our great club. I'm hoping he knows he's off so is getting the excuses in, won't hold my breath though unfortunately.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 12, 2012, 12:00:31 AM
I really hope he is digging his own grave with these comments but unfortunately I think Lerner and Faulkner will fall for it hook line and sinker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 12, 2012, 12:10:06 AM
McLeish is now officially worse than DO'L in my eyes.

Those comments are such an insult to Aston Villa and the talented youngsters the club has brought through the ranks. He is quite simply untenable as our manager now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 12, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
"McLeish's views on his #AVFC future will be in Saturday's Mirror after today's presser. Heard and saw nothing to change my view he's doomed"

James Nursey
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: atomicjam on May 12, 2012, 12:44:06 AM
I have never bought the 'he is a nice guy' line. Why is he a nice guy? Its certainly not because he speaks highly of the employee that over pays him by numerous 0's. Its not because he emailed his last employees goodbye - a cowards way out of any situation. And it is not a nice guy that would say such positive things about the players he has inherited to please the media and his own ego in those early months at our club, and then contradict them all in later months, as his lack of ability becomes more obvious. And he is not a nice guy when he constantly blames (often young) players, along with bad luck and anything other than himself for defeat. And a nice guy would not put me through Spurs away when he plays a million defenders and says he is not defensive!

He is a terrible manager and (at least at pemiership level) I think he knows it. I think he wants everything he can get out of this and the latest interviews sound to me like 'I have a contract and a plan for the next two years- pay up or I stay; we all know I am shit- so its pay up time'. I am really started to dislike him on DOL levels. They are quite high levels of dislike!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 01:00:10 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 11, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
he knows he's off so is getting the excuses in

Getting his excuses in and holding out for his compensation.  He knows he's as good as an ex-employee already so these are basically veiled digs he's making now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete3206 on May 12, 2012, 01:41:13 AM
Ginger from Cloud Cuckoo Land commented
Quote
“I’ve been in charge one season. Did anyone expect me to win the league? Come on – I think people have to be more understanding"

A few matches would have been nice. Please go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on May 12, 2012, 02:13:57 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 01:00:10 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 11, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
he knows he's off so is getting the excuses in

Getting his excuses in and holding out for his compensation.  He knows he's as good as an ex-employee already so these are basically veiled digs he's making now.

And protecting his reputation for future employment, I'd suggest.

<Cough> West Brom <Cough>
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: KevinGage on May 12, 2012, 04:02:40 AM
Quote from: Pete3206 on May 12, 2012, 01:41:13 AM
Ginger from Cloud Cuckoo Land commented
Quote
“I’ve been in charge one season. Did anyone expect me to win the league? Come on – I think people have to be more understanding"

A few matches would have been nice. Please go.

Winning the league would require winning 28 matches.

That's 21 more than he's managed this season.

In fact, based on his record with us and That Lot, it would take him 3/4 seasons to manage such a total. 

So no, we didn't expect that.  But maybe more than a tally low enough to result in relegation 9 times  out of 10, crazy dreamers that we are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 04:03:10 AM
With every passing statement he is doing his utmost to be more and more disliked by an ever growing percentage of our support. The utter nonsense that has come out of his mouth of late beggars belief. It's like he looks in the mirror and keeps saying that stuff until it makes sense. Must take him an age to leave the house every morning. The last few weeks he has clearly lost the plot. He's like a severly wounded dog. The owner needs to put him out of his misery for his own good.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 12, 2012, 04:18:13 AM
I've just got back from Vegas, I was hoping to come back to news of his sacking,

my mate said spur was shit,well done mcshit 7 wins lowest points total? Worst home record and he thinks he's done well? How can the owner think that this is ok? What happens next year? The man is a genius he must be how else could he get paid £2m a year? He must have thought all of his christmas's had come at once? Nice bloke my arse he must have walked from small heath on his hands and fucking knees. If villa is like a morgue next year I will not be surprised
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 06:00:39 AM
Why are so many people panicking over mcleish saying hes staying? He may well think that but the manager is nearly always the last to know when he is going to be fired- the call to faulkners office will surely come for mcleish next week and our hell will be over.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hoppo on May 12, 2012, 07:00:33 AM
Board meeting on monday..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2012, 07:22:13 AM
1311 pages on my BlackBerry now, plus countless other threads of well-reasoned, justified criticism, and I can't recall anybody saying it's because he's from da blooze.

Never before have the media got it so wrong, so often, for so long.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 12, 2012, 07:41:27 AM
I agree, although I wonder whether the reasoned folk (ahem) of H&V are representative of all Villa fans?

For example, not many on here backed the chants about Eduardo, while opinions of the My Old Man song on here don't seem to be reflected by the crowd!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 12, 2012, 07:55:29 AM
I have been saying it all season the man is a bullshitter,and not a very good one.Nice man do me a favour.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2012, 07:57:49 AM
You may have a point. We are cleverer than the average fan. *wink*

I have no idea what those thickos on Villatalk are saying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 12, 2012, 08:09:40 AM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=829262/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2012, 08:55:26 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 12, 2012, 08:09:40 AM
http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?id=829262/

His pleas for financial support to rebuild after Sunday’s draw with Spurs secured safety, have so far gone ­unanswered.

“We have never spoken since that. We’ll sit down and talk next week,” added McLeish.

“I am sure the chairman will be over as well. I need to find out what budgets are at the club next season.”

He hasn`t a clue what is going on has he? - Is that his fault or the owner`s?

From the outside looking in the place seems a feckin shambles.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 12, 2012, 08:57:59 AM
It's just an article made up of quotes, garbage
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 12, 2012, 09:05:51 AM
He should have been sacked straight after the Bolton game Yet again the club have handled this really badly unless the outcome on Monday is that he gets the boot there's going to be one hell of a shitstorm If they're going to back him next season they should have said so ages ago All this speculation is going to make it a million times worse for them if  they end up keeping him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 12, 2012, 09:17:22 AM
When decisive action has been called for, our board have consistently made the wrong decision in the wrong manner. What makes anyone think they're going to get it right this time around? As has been stated previously on here, there need to be changes at board level before we can really move forward.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
The obvious standpoint now is "they couldn't possibly keep him now, it would be insane'.

That's all well and good, but how many of us thought they'd be anything like stupid enough to appoint him in the first place?

Rule nothing out with this lot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2012, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
The obvious standpoint now is "they couldn't possibly keep him now, it would be insane'.

That's all well and good, but how many of us thought they'd be anything like stupid enough to appoint him in the first place?

Rule nothing out with this lot.

That's my worry.  That and the cost of paying off his contract.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 12, 2012, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
The obvious standpoint now is "they couldn't possibly keep him now, it would be insane'.

That's all well and good, but how many of us thought they'd be anything like stupid enough to appoint him in the first place?

Rule nothing out with this lot.

That's my worry.  That and the cost of paying off his contract.

The sheer stupidity of giving a man with 2 relegations in 3 seasons a 3 year contract without a performance related get out clause for the club is sheer madness.

I can't believe he genuinely thinks he has done a good job this season. I reckon every other manager in the league, with our players, would have got more points this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 12, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
The main worry is the Board was crazy enough to employ him, so I am thinking they are crazy enough not to see how bad it has been and to keep him on for a while longer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2012, 09:38:17 AM
Apparantly Martinez meeting with Whelan next week to discuss his future at Wigan .

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: gervilla on May 12, 2012, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Ian J on May 12, 2012, 09:36:17 AM
The main worry is the Board was crazy enough to employ him, so I am thinking they are crazy enough not to see how bad it has been and to keep him on for a while longer.

That is exactly how I see it.
I wouldn't put anything beyond the board after appointing McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
I would gladly take Martinez now, despite being unimpressed this time last year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
Right Mcleish if you're that desperate that your now trotting out comments for Ferguson that you've done well to keep us in the leage, you truly are a moron. Mcleish has done a fucking awful job and should fuck off now he's talking of Villa as justifiable relegation candidates, he's worse than O'Leary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 12, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
"McLeish's views on his #AVFC future will be in Saturday's Mirror after today's presser. Heard and saw nothing to change my view he's doomed"

James Nursey

Let's pray that's correct. If there's any common sense left in the world that will be correct.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 12, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
If he truly believes that teams below us have better squads then he must think that we've over achieved this season, surely we can get rid of him on mental health grounds?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: asgpaul on May 12, 2012, 10:16:32 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 12, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
If he truly believes that teams below us have better squads then he must think that we've over achieved this season, surely we can get rid of him on mental health grounds?

Excellent.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 12, 2012, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 12, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
If he truly believes that teams below us have better squads then he must think that we've over achieved this season, surely we can get rid of him on mental health grounds?

The average Villa fan this season must be on a similar list by now...McL has to go for the sake of our collective health!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 12, 2012, 10:20:44 AM
Our squad is as good as any outside the top eight, with the possible exception of Stoke.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
Another classic from the clown:

Quote from: McLeish
We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.

One of the most prolific goalscorers in the Premier League and McLeish reckons he's good for a goal every four or five games.  You're right Alex, but that's only because you set us up so that the nearest teammate is always 40 yards from him.

I don't think I've disliked a Villa manager as much as this one.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/05/12/3096625/mcleish-vows-to-stay-on-and-reveals-he-is-planning-for-next
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 12, 2012, 10:34:12 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
Another classic from the clown:

Quote from: McLeish
We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.

One of the most prolific goalscorers in the Premier League and McLeish reckons he's good for a goal every four or five games.  You're right Alex, but that's only because you set us up so that the nearest teammate is always 40 yards from him.

I don't think I've disliked a Villa manager as much as this one.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/05/12/3096625/mcleish-vows-to-stay-on-and-reveals-he-is-planning-for-next
That is such a shocking statement.
I think this is the worst part of AM as manager. The constant down talking of our ability and the knocking of confidence from within the ranks. It's happened far to often now publicly so I do wonder how he talks to the players?

If he has no belief in the squad what hope do we have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
Another classic from the clown:

Quote from: McLeish
We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.

One of the most prolific goalscorers in the Premier League and McLeish reckons he's good for a goal every four or five games.  You're right Alex, but that's only because you set us up so that the nearest teammate is always 40 yards from him.

I don't think I've disliked a Villa manager as much as this one.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/05/12/3096625/mcleish-vows-to-stay-on-and-reveals-he-is-planning-for-next

I don't think I have, either.

He has certainly moved fully into O'Leary territory with some of his recent quotes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
I've just read the entire Ferguson reference and I am raging. He is belittling us more than O'Leary did. Fuck off Alex, you are a coward who blames everyone else for your failings and can't accept responsibility.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 12, 2012, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
I've just read the entire Ferguson reference and I am raging. He is belittling us more than O'Leary did. Fuck off Alex, you are a coward who blames everyone else for your failings and can't accept responsibility.
He is a patronising, arrogant bastard.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:45:15 AM
I've just looked up Bent's goalscoring record:

Ipswich - Goal every 2.5 appearances
Charlton - Goal every 2.2 appearances
Spurs - Goal every 3.3 appearances
Sunderland - Goal every 1.8 appearances
Villa so far - Goal every 2.1 appearances

Stats courtesy of Wiki.  Spurs will have been worse as he made a lot of appearances off the bench.

So McLeish has publicly stated that he thinks that Bent under his tactics is half as effective as he's been throughout his career.  In any other industry, if you walked in and made the most expensive piece of machinery in the factory half as effective you'd rightly be sacked for it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 12, 2012, 10:46:33 AM
We need a poll. Who do you hate more DOL or AMC?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jimbo on May 12, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:28:29 AM
Another classic from the clown:

Quote from: McLeish
We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable.

One of the most prolific goalscorers in the Premier League and McLeish reckons he's good for a goal every four or five games.  You're right Alex, but that's only because you set us up so that the nearest teammate is always 40 yards from him.

I don't think I've disliked a Villa manager as much as this one.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/05/12/3096625/mcleish-vows-to-stay-on-and-reveals-he-is-planning-for-next

I don't think I have, either.

He has certainly moved fully into O'Leary territory with some of his recent quotes.

He's worse than O'Leary. Certainly as a manager, as his record proves. But I always got the sense with O'Leary that a lot of his comments were aimed at the chairman, he was just so utterly lacking in charm and charisma as to taint the whole club. McLeish is constantly trying to justify himself to the detriment of the players at his disposal. That he thinks his revisionist comments about where he expected the club to finish will go unnoticed smacks of arrogance.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
I've just read the entire Ferguson reference and I am raging. He is belittling us more than O'Leary did. Fuck off Alex, you are a coward who blames everyone else for your failings and can't accept responsibility.

Where's the full quote about Salex? Can't find it anywhere.

Regardless, I'm fucking sick of his excuses, his self-pity, his abjuring himself of responsibility, his belittling of our talented youngsters to the point where they'll obviously underperform and he can say 'look, my prophecy came true'. I'm also fucking sick of his Stalin-esque revisionism. The CEO said we were aiming for Europe. You, Eck, said you were excited to be taking over such a big club and not fighting relegation again. Either you're making up that you thought it would be tough, or you're admitting that you lied to us the fans, just as you do about your 'dynamic' football (whatever the fuck you mean by 'dynamic').

I read with disbelief Steve Kean saying how he and Venky's aren't going anywhere, and how 'exciting times' lie ahead for Rovers. Randy, please don't let that be us. You have no idea how close it is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 12, 2012, 10:58:16 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
I read with disbelief Steve Kean saying how he and Venky's aren't going anywhere, and how 'exciting times' lie ahead for Rovers. Randy, please don't let that be us. You have no idea how close it is.

You're right.  Steve Kean's Blackburn won more games than us this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 12, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
He needs to find out the budgets for next season?


"Hi Randy, Paul. Can we discuss how much money there is to spend next season?"

- "Good news and even better news on that front Alex. The good news is that there will be a considerable transfer budget to work with as we appreciate the squad needs rejuvenating."

"Excellent, so... the even better news? I cant imagine anything being even bet..."

-"The even better news is that you wont be spending a penny of it. Your taxi is on its way and we've packed your letter of recommendation from Sir Alex and some sandwiches. Can you send Mr Villas Boas in please."

"It's a fair cop. I'm a painter and decorator really. I was just seeing how long I could get away with it. Bye bye ya wee bazzads."

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 11:22:41 AM
I have no doubt he will be sacked but all those going to norwich i hope will let mr mcleish know exactly what most of us think of him and his apalling management.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 12, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Quote from: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2012, 09:38:17 AM
Apparantly Martinez meeting with Whelan next week to discuss his future at Wigan .


Somebody on here posted that Martinez was out of contract this summer. Today the man himself has been quoted as saying that he has three years remaining on his Wigan contract. You just know that shark Whelan will auction him off for a fortune if he wants to leave!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.


I'll take some of that action.  He's gone.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 12, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.

That really is a sickening thought, however I think you could be right.

I just hope that I will be calling the ticket office  next week to renew and having that feeling that we will be competing again under a new exciting manager.... oh, and then the alarm went off :)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.


I'll take some of that action.  He's gone.
I hope he is gone as well. Waiting with bated breath for a press conference after tomorrows game!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 12, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
I really think he knows he's a sacked man walking,thats why in the last couple of weeks he's been coming out with bizarre statements to the press.

Im not sure who he's trying to impress though by shoe horning Fergies name into his last press conference,its wound up supporters and the press probably think he's now completely deluded.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 12, 2012, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.


I'll take some of that action.  He's gone.
I hope he is gone as well. Waiting with bated breath for a press conference after tomorrows game!

It won't be then, but I'd expect it sometime later this month.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
I expect it to be announced next week when he meets the board.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2012-05-12/mcleish-meets-board/
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
I reckon he's gone mid next week. Randy and Paul are in the US and will both come over next week to meet and fire McLeish.

Interesting to read in Kendrick's latest article that McLeish has said he won't be scouting players for us at the Euros. That's because Alex you won't have a club to manage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 12, 2012, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
We all know he should be sacked but i will put money on him starting next season with us. Shit i know but i have this horrible feeling.

Terrifying thought. I thought the club statement about a horizon of 3 games and understanding the fans' feelings, together with McLeish's demeanour at the Albion game meant, he was 100% gone. I'm not that confident now, but hope that McLeish's increasingly delusional rantings are just the sign of a man in total denial about his ability, achievements and prospects rather than any credible belief that his position is secure. I'm still holding out til the last minute to renew though - unless we get some good news next week!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Interesting to read in Kendrick's latest article that McLeish has said he won't be scouting players for us at the Euros. That's because Alex you won't have a club to manage.

In fairness I bloody hope no manager of ours would scout players at the Euros. Playing a maximum of 7 games of peak exposure, with inflated prices if they do well. No, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid anyone who's just done well in major tournaments as their price will be massively inflated.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Hopefully the management pool will be brimming with quality when Villa fire the gun at McLeish.  Martinez appears ready to leave Wigan,  AVB is available, I reckon Lambert would jump at the chance to wake the giant too.  Fat Rafa is still out of work, that concerns me a little!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2012, 01:46:19 PM
I hope Grant and McLeish are abused to epic proportions at Norwich. McLeish is clearly taking the piss out of the club O'Leary style over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Interesting to read in Kendrick's latest article that McLeish has said he won't be scouting players for us at the Euros. That's because Alex you won't have a club to manage.

In fairness I bloody hope no manager of ours would scout players at the Euros. Playing a maximum of 7 games of peak exposure, with inflated prices if they do well. No, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid anyone who's just done well in major tournaments as their price will be massively inflated.

A bit of sweeping statement isn't it? What if you have been watching a player for his club and then followed that up by scouting at the Euros. I'm sure Europe's biggest clubs will have scouts at the competition as should we. And not only the Euros, the African Nations, Copa America, Asian Cup etc
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
I think you can pick up players from major championships. However I think the key point is that Mcleish won't be doing it for us, because he won't be here. There is no a single reason to keep him and an absolute avalanche of reasons to get rid.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 01:58:29 PM
I still can't get my head around why you want him to stay DC5, especially given his belittling of the club over the last week or so. Not only has he done a dreadful job on the field, got appalling results combined with dreadful football. He's also now talking us down worse than O'Leary did. Fair enough if you do want him to stay, but I can't see a single reason why.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2012, 02:02:26 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 01:58:29 PM
I still can't get my head around why you want him to stay DC5, especially given his belittling of the club over the last week or so. Not only has he done a dreadful job on the field, got appalling results combined with dreadful football. He's also now talking us down worse than O'Leary did. Fair enough if you do want him to stay, but I can't see a single reason why.

I think he's enjoying the Coopers Injury style notoriety. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Interesting to read in Kendrick's latest article that McLeish has said he won't be scouting players for us at the Euros. That's because Alex you won't have a club to manage.

In fairness I bloody hope no manager of ours would scout players at the Euros. Playing a maximum of 7 games of peak exposure, with inflated prices if they do well. No, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid anyone who's just done well in major tournaments as their price will be massively inflated.

A bit of sweeping statement isn't it? What if you have been watching a player for his club and then followed that up by scouting at the Euros. I'm sure Europe's biggest clubs will have scouts at the competition as should we. And not only the Euros, the African Nations, Copa America, Asian Cup etc

Okay, more accurately, never sign a player solely on the basis of a major tournament performance. It's just not a big enough sample of games and it's in the environment of international football, so different to club football.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 02:09:55 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.

No its the 'cheerio youre fired alex' meeting.

However please feel free to give him your regards if you see him pruning his roses this august!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 12, 2012, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
I doubt our board will get a new manager in that quickly They've got to sack McLeish first
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charleeco7 on May 12, 2012, 02:17:39 PM
I think he will stay. Lerner and Faulkner seem daft enough to believe the excuses that will be rolled out in their meeting.

I hope I'm wrong but have a feeling I won't be.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 12, 2012, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: asgpaul on May 12, 2012, 10:16:32 AM
Quote from: luke25 on May 12, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
If he truly believes that teams below us have better squads then he must think that we've over achieved this season, surely we can get rid of him on mental health grounds?

Excellent.

Never used it before, but a massive lol to that!

'Comical fucking Alex'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2012, 02:22:45 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
I expect it to be announced next week when he meets the board.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2012-05-12/mcleish-meets-board/

What day next week ? I would like to know if I'm renewing my season ticket or not.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
There's no way he's staying, I'm going with positive thoughts now. If you just think logically there is no way he can keep his job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 12, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
Your just winding us all up now arn't you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 01:49:41 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 12, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
Interesting to read in Kendrick's latest article that McLeish has said he won't be scouting players for us at the Euros. That's because Alex you won't have a club to manage.

In fairness I bloody hope no manager of ours would scout players at the Euros. Playing a maximum of 7 games of peak exposure, with inflated prices if they do well. No, it's a good rule of thumb to avoid anyone who's just done well in major tournaments as their price will be massively inflated.

A bit of sweeping statement isn't it? What if you have been watching a player for his club and then followed that up by scouting at the Euros. I'm sure Europe's biggest clubs will have scouts at the competition as should we. And not only the Euros, the African Nations, Copa America, Asian Cup etc

Okay, more accurately, never sign a player solely on the basis of a major tournament performance. It's just not a big enough sample of games and it's in the environment of international football, so different to club football.

That makes a lot more sense Monty.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on May 12, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
If he spends the summer pruning roses they better put the Accident Hospital Digit Microsurgery Unit on high alert.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: frank black on May 12, 2012, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 02:25:04 PM
There's no way he's staying, I'm going with positive thoughts now. If you just think logically there is no way he can keep his job.

Logically thinking, he should never have got the job in the first place. I remember the first time I heard the rumour we wanted him. I offered to run up and down Lickey road naked, if we recruited him. Just glad no-one was sober enough to remember this in the morning.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 12, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
I've got a pretty bad feeling that he might stay. They must be thinking we can't keep on changing manager (though they haven't actually sacked someone yet). I hope they don't buy the argument that we've been unlucky. We've had a bit of bad luck, but no more than someone like Bolton with their injuries / losing players for no fee. And the football's been utterly depressing for the most part.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
It's not bad luck it's quintessential Mcleish, he does this every year. He's just a fucking shit manager, nothing will change that and giving more time is just suicide. He has to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 12, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 12, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
Your just winding us all up now arn't you?

Dcf on a wind up?  Never!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
I find it funny that McLeish is surprised that Cueller and Heskey have said they're leaving. That he said no decision has been made about their future. Idiot.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 12, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
I find it funny that McLeish is surprised that Cueller and Heskey have said they're leaving. That he said no decision has been made about their future. Idiot.

That suggests he's been cut out of the loop.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rooboy316 on May 12, 2012, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 12, 2012, 03:34:10 PM
I've got a pretty bad feeling that he might stay. They must be thinking we can't keep on changing manager (though they haven't actually sacked someone yet). I hope they don't buy the argument that we've been unlucky. We've had a bit of bad luck, but no more than someone like Bolton with their injuries / losing players for no fee. And the football's been utterly depressing for the most part.

I think he'll stay too.  The board won't want to pay out another manage, and they'll cite injuries/luck as well as wanting to give him a full off-season to shape his squad transfer-wise. 

Generally I think football clubs are often hasty in sacking managers, and the instability that ensues does more damage than good.  In our current situation though, I don't think it would be hasty in the slightest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rooboy316 on May 12, 2012, 03:54:26 PM
It'd be fascinating to see a poll of how many on here actually believe the board will sack him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Eigentor on May 12, 2012, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
Fat Rafa is still out of work, that concerns me a little!!

I agree. I recall his best Lplop team winning 4-0 against Real Madrid, 4-1 at Old Trafford and 5-0 against us. I don't want to risk watching anything resembling anything like that after a season of "McLeish-ball".
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
Are you seriously saying we're too good for a manager who has won La Liga and the Champions League? Christ. I'd be ecstatic if Benitez took charge at Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 12, 2012, 04:18:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
Are you seriously saying we're too good for a manager who has won La Liga and the Champions League? Christ. I'd be ecstatic if Benitez took charge at Villa.

As long as he is expalined to financial restraints, yes - bring him on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Great if he was Villa manager but he wont be because of the lack of transfer funds.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OCD on May 12, 2012, 04:24:04 PM
Benitez is the most over-rated manager in recent memory.  He might have won a Champions League medal with Liverpool but he got to the final by playing such defensive football that it would make McLeish look like Keegan. Then when he got to the final, it was his tactics (leaving Hamann out of the side which meant there being a gaping hole between defence and midfield) that led to them being 3-0 down at half-time and it really could have been 5 or 6 if Inzaghi had been more prolific. It was only the combination of bringing Hamann on and Gerrard doing the business that they were able to get back into the game and then momentum carried them through.

Benitez wouldn't inspire me and you could guarantee that the football would continue to be dour, defensive and passionless. So more of the same. For a much improved style of play I would much rather we get an AVB, Rodgers or Martinez. For a shrewd tactician, Lambert.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2012, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 12, 2012, 04:24:04 PM
Benitez is the most over-rated manager in recent memory.  He might have won a Champions League medal with Liverpool but he got to the final by playing such defensive football that it would make McLeish look like Keegan. Then when he got to the final, it was his tactics (leaving Hamann out of the side which meant there being a gaping hole between defence and midfield) that led to them being 3-0 down at half-time and it really could have been 5 or 6 if Inzaghi had been more prolific. It was only the combination of bringing Hamann on and Gerrard doing the business that they were able to get back into the game and then momentum carried them through.

Benitez wouldn't inspire me and you could guarantee that the football would continue to be dour, defensive and passionless. So more of the same. For a much improved style of play I would much rather we get an AVB, Rodgers or Martinez. For a shrewd tactician, Lambert.

Nobody plays football that makes Mcleish look like Keegan. Also Liverpool played some good stuff in his time there, I remember them crushing Madrid. I'd be happy with the others too, but I'd be delighted to take Benitez over Mcleish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 04:12:24 PM
Are you seriously saying we're too good for a manager who has won La Liga and the Champions League? Christ. I'd be ecstatic if Benitez took charge at Villa.

I'd be pissed off if we appointed Benitez, because his teams are dull as ditchwater and he's a bellend.

He took Liverpool no further forward in his time there, and spunked a whole load of money doing it, and he only got that long on the job because he'd somehow found himself in charge for the spunkiest cup win of all time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Stan james make martinez favourite for the villa job with lambert and neil lennon 2nd and 3rd in the betting at present.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2012, 04:30:25 PM
Neil Lennon?

The only person putting money on Lennon would be Lennon himself.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 12, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 12, 2012, 04:27:51 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 12, 2012, 04:24:04 PM
Benitez is the most over-rated manager in recent memory.  He might have won a Champions League medal with Liverpool but he got to the final by playing such defensive football that it would make McLeish look like Keegan. Then when he got to the final, it was his tactics (leaving Hamann out of the side which meant there being a gaping hole between defence and midfield) that led to them being 3-0 down at half-time and it really could have been 5 or 6 if Inzaghi had been more prolific. It was only the combination of bringing Hamann on and Gerrard doing the business that they were able to get back into the game and then momentum carried them through.

Benitez wouldn't inspire me and you could guarantee that the football would continue to be dour, defensive and passionless. So more of the same. For a much improved style of play I would much rather we get an AVB, Rodgers or Martinez. For a shrewd tactician, Lambert.

Nobody plays football that makes Mcleish look like Keegan. Also Liverpool played some good stuff in his time there, I remember them crushing Madrid. I'd be happy with the others too, but I'd be delighted to take Benitez over Mcleish.

OK, he's not my first choice, thatw ould be Lambert. But in Benitez's defence - did you see what he did with Valencia too? Yes, he's a bit of a bellend, but as someone else mentioned, the best managers are usually not liked. We had...sorry...have a nice guy, look where that has got us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 12, 2012, 04:31:57 PM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 12, 2012, 04:30:25 PM
Neil Lennon?

The only person putting money on Lennon would be Lennon himself.

I think we've had our fill of mangers who have been at the Glasgow clubs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheSandman on May 12, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
For me, the anger has began to bubble over. I have started to loathe McLeish. I hate him even more than I disliked O'Leary. Considering that I quite liked him before this season that is quite some turnaround.

He is such a woefully shit manager I wouldn't wish him on a club I hated. No fan deserves this man at their club. Inept, defeatist, arrogant, deluded. He is a man who leeches away almost every bit of hope you hold in your team. By a country mile the worst manager I've seen in charge at Villa (though I'm too young to remember the likes of Docherty, McNeill and Turner which is a big qualification). 

The only bit of hope I hold is that he will be gone by Monday. I'll genuinely take any manager over him next season and give them my full support. Even Curbishley or Lennon.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dave shelley on May 12, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
If he spends the summer pruning roses they better put the Accident Hospital Digit Microsurgery Unit on high alert.

Given the amount of horse shit he's been spouting lately; there will be no shortage of manure to put on them.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on May 12, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
If he spends the summer pruning roses they better put the Accident Hospital Digit Microsurgery Unit on high alert.

Given the amount of horse shit he's been spouting lately; there will be no shortage of manure to put on them.

You could put that twat in charge of Kew Gardens and everything there would wither and die inside six months.

He reminds me of William H. Macy's character in The Cooler, if anyone's seen it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 12, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
By a country mile the worst manager I've seen in charge at Villa (though I'm too young to remember the likes of Docherty, McNeill and Turner which is a big qualification). 


If he was 30 years younger I would have The Doc back tomorrow. He would tell everybody we are the biggest club in the land, 40,000 plus every game, 20,000 on wash day, have us top of the league by the turn of the year and relegated by Easter. Never a dull moment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 12, 2012, 04:50:07 PM
Dear Alex...

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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on May 12, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
A few of the national papers are making excuses for AM. Apparently for most of the season we have had a side full of players barely out of the youth team.

Lichaj and Herd 23, Bannan, Albrighton and Clark 22.
1980/81 Cowans 22, Gibson 21, Williams 20, Shaw 19.

And amongst the players who missed a 'large chunk' of the season is Shay Given apparently.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Remind me of the "large chunk" that Given missed?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 12, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
Shame they don't blame him for Bent,Nzogbia,Gab,Albrighton missing a large chunk of the season,even though they were playing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on May 12, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Tommy Doc was alright.   For those of you too young to remember him imagine BFR without a sense of humour.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:11:13 PM
How many excuses do we need to hear about this shit? Fuck me, it must be our fault that we have had this shit season not the twat who is payed 2 fucking million a year to do the job. I get it now, we are all c..ts and he is a member of the football illuminati! Mainstream media drivel and pish!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 12, 2012, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 12, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 12, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
Your just winding us all up now arn't you?

Dcf on a wind up?  Never!

We never found out what AM told him to make him so optimistic about the Tottenham game. Obviously AM said to him, 'don't worry, we'll get a lucky deflected goal, then Danny Rose will have a head rush and get sent off, and we'll cling on for a draw despite them battering us'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on May 12, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
A few of the national papers are making excuses for AM. Apparently for most of the season we have had a side full of players barely out of the youth team.

Lichaj and Herd 23, Bannan, Albrighton and Clark 22.
1980/81 Cowans 22, Gibson 21, Williams 20, Shaw 19.

And amongst the players who missed a 'large chunk' of the season is Shay Given apparently.

It's a damn good point. They're not kids - give them the responsibility and some training from the Swansea textbook and they could form the basis of a damn good side.

Also, of course, those few games (around New Year, I believe? I could be wrong) after Given got injured and Guzan came in - and played so well that many on here thought it was harsh to drop him. In fact, that was classic McLeish: players not picked on form, but on reputation. The way he does down the younger players (not kids, but they are younger) is positively criminal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:11:13 PM
Fuck me, it must be our fault that we have had this shit season not the twat who is payed 2 fucking million a year to do the job. I get it now, we are all c..ts and he is a member of the football illuminati! Mainstream media drivel and pish!

The fans havent done their job this season. What happens if someone doesn't do their job ? You get rid.
Thats why 10,000 of them wont be there next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 12, 2012, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Tommy Doc was alright.   For those of you too young to remember him imagine BFR without a sense of humour.


Holloway is the closest to them now, but people dont like that sort of manager anymore, they would rather someone more circumspect
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 12, 2012, 05:45:30 PM
I'd love another BFR but Holloway isn't that. He's a nauseating twat who thinks he's a lot more witty than he actually is.
However, he is one of 7 billion people more suited to the Villa job than McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 12, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: mike on May 12, 2012, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 12, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 12, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 01:55:58 PM

I wonder if this is the warchest meeting.
Your just winding us all up now arn't you?

Dcf on a wind up?  Never!

We never found out what AM told him to make him so optimistic about the Tottenham
 game. Obviously AM said to him, 'don't worry, we'll get a lucky deflected goal, then Danny Rose will have a head rush and get sent off, and we'll cling on for a draw despite them battering us'.

Nothing lucky about that goal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 12, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 12, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Stan james make martinez favourite for the villa job with lambert and neil lennon 2nd and 3rd in the betting at present.

Have I missed something? Why would a man who refused even an interview last season be favourite for the same job?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 12, 2012, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Remind me of the "large chunk" that Given missed?
The bit of the season that coincided with our best defensive performances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 12, 2012, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Remind me of the "large chunk" that Given missed?
The bit of the season that coincided with our best defensive performances.


It would appear this is a myth because Given is the best keeper ever that has single handedly kept us up.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 12, 2012, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 12, 2012, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Remind me of the "large chunk" that Given missed?
The bit of the season that coincided with our best defensive performances.

Guzan has certainly improved but i still much prefer given in goal.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Monty on May 12, 2012, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 12, 2012, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 12, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Remind me of the "large chunk" that Given missed?
The bit of the season that coincided with our best defensive performances.

It would appear this is a myth because Given is the best keeper ever that has single handedly kept us up.


It's true. Imagine if we lost him, Petrov, Bent and Dunne at the same time. No wonder we played so badly away at Spurs, at home to Man City etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 12, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 12, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 12, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Stan james make martinez favourite for the villa job with lambert and neil lennon 2nd and 3rd in the betting at present.

Have I missed something? Why would a man who refused even an interview last season be favourite for the same job?

Odds going out on Curbs..12-1 now.
Quique Flores into 14's from 16-1.
Roy Keane is suddenly down from 20-1 to 14-1
Jurgen Klinsmann gets honorary mention in from 25's to 20-1.
But with Mick McCarthy at a steady 12-1 who knows what?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ron Manager on May 12, 2012, 07:17:46 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 12, 2012, 04:32:05 PM
By a country mile the worst manager I've seen in charge at Villa (though I'm too young to remember the likes of Docherty, McNeill and Turner which is a big qualification). 


If he was 30 years younger I would have The Doc back tomorrow. He would tell everybody we are the biggest club in the land, 40,000 plus every game, 20,000 on wash day, have us top of the league by the turn of the year and relegated by Easter. Never a dull moment.
and so would I. The Doc was nobodys fool. He would tell any player he was the greatest in the world and to go out and prove it. He gave the newspapers quotes Arry Boy wouldnt even think about in his dreams and to sum him up he was bluudy exciting!!  Even now at the age of 84 he would take on a kid like Fergie in verbal sparring and win by a mile.

Doug and The Doc in their pomp...What a double act!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 12, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
had to laugh at a guy's comment on Vital Villa that he's so angry now at the possiblity he might be staying that sackings not good enough for him any more, he needs to be deported!
By the way as someone who was 13 at the time I can vividly remember Tommy Docherty's transformation of an absolutely dead in the water decaying club playing in front of 14,000 fans into a galvanised team who had 65,000 for a friendly and we all realised then what a special club Aston Villa is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: lovejoy on May 12, 2012, 07:36:20 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 12, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 12, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 12, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Stan james make martinez favourite for the villa job with lambert and neil lennon 2nd and 3rd in the betting at present.

Have I missed something? Why would a man who refused even an interview last season be favourite for the same job?


I'd keep your money in your pocket. In most events you have a certain number of possible outcomes. With new managers the possibilities are very high. Also the media, especially sky like to leak exclusives, quote the odds coming in, offer us a bet, then see the outcome dismissed just later. It's a scam.
Odds going out on Curbs..12-1 now.
Quique Flores into 14's from 16-1.
Roy Keane is suddenly down from 20-1 to 14-1
Jurgen Klinsmann gets honorary mention in from 25's to 20-1.
But with Mick McCarthy at a steady 12-1 who knows what?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2012, 07:46:45 PM
The reason the prices fluctuate so much with the bookies is that this is a tiny market - there won't be much money punted on it, and as such, it doesn't take much money to move a candidate up or down the list.

Oh and the thing about SSN floating bullshit stories in concert with Sky Bet to make a killing is incorrect. It isn't worth the hassle on things like next manager markets.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 12, 2012, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 12, 2012, 07:41:27 AM
I agree, although I wonder whether the reasoned folk (ahem) of H&V are representative of all Villa fans?

When the Trinity joined in with the Holte in a thunderous rendition of "Fuck off McLeish, the Villa is ours" against Bolton, it removed any reserves I had about it just coming from us bunch of cranks on teh interwebs.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 12, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 12, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
He's worse than O'Leary. Certainly as a manager, as his record proves. But I always got the sense with O'Leary that a lot of his comments were aimed at the chairman, he was just so utterly lacking in charm and charisma as to taint the whole club. McLeish is constantly trying to justify himself to the detriment of the players at his disposal. That he thinks his revisionist comments about where he expected the club to finish will go unnoticed smacks of arrogance.

Let's not revise anything about O'Leary. Remember the 'Sugarbags' comment? I still don't know where that expression came from, it was bizarre. Plus his constant downtalking of the club, possibly aimed at the chairman, did nothing to ingratiate himself to the fans. Then, worst of all, he labelled the entire fanbase as 'fickle', which has been used as a stick to beat us with ever since.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: john e on May 12, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
i couldnt care less what Mr Mcleish has or is saying,

 i'm not bothered what he says or how he says it, and havent been for about 3 months which is about the same time as i have thought that he has no chance of surviving as the Villa manager,

disecting every word of his is a waste of time , he will be on his way soon,
 he did his best but his best wasnt good enough and thats the end of it.........  next
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 12, 2012, 09:16:11 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on May 12, 2012, 07:36:20 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 12, 2012, 07:11:14 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on May 12, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 12, 2012, 04:28:11 PM
Stan james make martinez favourite for the villa job with lambert and neil lennon 2nd and 3rd in the betting at present.

Have I missed something? Why would a man who refused even an interview last season be favourite for the same job?


I'd keep your money in your pocket. In most events you have a certain number of possible outcomes. With new managers the possibilities are very high. Also the media, especially sky like to leak exclusives, quote the odds coming in, offer us a bet, then see the outcome dismissed just later. It's a scam.
Odds going out on Curbs..12-1 now.
Quique Flores into 14's from 16-1.
Roy Keane is suddenly down from 20-1 to 14-1
Jurgen Klinsmann gets honorary mention in from 25's to 20-1.
But with Mick McCarthy at a steady 12-1 who knows what?
I agree with betting 'scams' as just a way of taking our money. I think Martinez is the man though!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 12, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
I've heard Paul ince I am sure It's Bollocks, I hope so anyway
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 12, 2012, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 12, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
I've heard Paul ince I am sure It's Bollocks, I hope so anyway

Yes, let's hope so, we really don't want to be emulating Blackburn and we're close enough to that as it is!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 12, 2012, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 12, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 12, 2012, 10:47:35 AM
He's worse than O'Leary. Certainly as a manager, as his record proves. But I always got the sense with O'Leary that a lot of his comments were aimed at the chairman, he was just so utterly lacking in charm and charisma as to taint the whole club. McLeish is constantly trying to justify himself to the detriment of the players at his disposal. That he thinks his revisionist comments about where he expected the club to finish will go unnoticed smacks of arrogance.

Let's not revise anything about O'Leary. Remember the 'Sugarbags' comment? I still don't know where that expression came from, it was bizarre. Plus his constant downtalking of the club, possibly aimed at the chairman, did nothing to ingratiate himself to the fans. Then, worst of all, he labelled the entire fanbase as 'fickle', which has been used as a stick to beat us with ever since.

He hasn't been overwelmed with like offers since though which is a saving grace. Fantastic player but a complete egocentric tool and a poor manager
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
Must admit through all of his gaffes and the bad football I had to endure in 2005/2006 I never particularly hated O'Leary.  Maybe it was because I blamed Ellis more for the situation Villa were in.  Or maybe because O'Leary, despite all of his many, many faults, did not set up Villa as negatively as Mcleish does.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 12, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 12, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
Must admit through all of his gaffes and the bad football I had to endure in 2005/2006 I never particularly hated O'Leary.  Maybe it was because I blamed Ellis more for the situation Villa were in.  Or maybe because O'Leary, despite all of his many, many faults, did not set up Villa as negatively as Mcleish does.

That's right he didn't but DOL was a far, far bigger C*** than AML or anybody else we've had down the years.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
He certainly bought some decent players, I will give him that, but he was a horrid man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 12, 2012, 10:28:46 PM
Just a thought.

You know the countdown to kick off clock on the OS ? Now reading 0 days 16 hours 32 minutes 30 seconds ?
What happens to it once the game starts tomorrow ? Just stays at zero for a month or two ?

Be nice if someone at the club who is maybe in the know could set it for a countdown to kick out for one of the clubs employees?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 12, 2012, 10:31:24 PM
DOL & McLeish both bad experiences so lets hope that Randy sorts it out this summer.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?

If you say so!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM

Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?

If you say so!
Which I don't.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM

Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?

If you say so!
Which I don't.

Excellent.  I can breathe again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 12, 2012, 11:42:32 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM

Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?

If you say so!
Which I don't.
How can a sentence with the word please in it be an order? Sounds like a request to me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
Give it up Dave. Only the certifiable could genuinely think that McLeish is the right man to lead Villa next season. It is a good wind up, and you have stepped up to the role that Chris performs admirably, but surely it is time to throw in the towell and accept he has simply gorra goo.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mike on May 12, 2012, 11:48:37 PM
Still waiting to hear what AM said to Dave that made him so optimistic about the Spurs match. Whatever it was it was bollocks as the only reasons we got a point were a lucky goal and a sending off, neither of which I suspect were part of the AM master plan as exclusively revealed to Dave.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 12, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
Give it up Dave. Only the certifiable could genuinely think that McLeish is the right man to lead Villa next season. It is a good wind up, and you have stepped up to the role that Chris performs admirably, but surely it is time to throw in the towell and accept he has simply gorra goo.

I respect Dave's right to his view. I'd just like to know why? He might have a superb angle that most of us simply fail to see. And I mean that genuinely as I normally agree with a lot of what be says, and admire his passion for the club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 12:46:50 AM

 
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that.[/b]

thanks alex we sodding have realised this for a while , what we wont realise is that you have made us far worse  and liable to take us down next season. we would have been hapoy with a top 10 not overly ambitious please leave
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 12:53:39 AM
O.K, I've gone from thinking he's a decent bloke out of his depth to a thinking he's an absolute twat in very little time at all. Nice work Mc Insertinsult.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2012, 01:17:04 AM
My thoughts exactly Maz.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villan from luton on May 13, 2012, 01:31:27 AM
I also wish the guy well, but he has proved to be a buffoon. Lets be honest, the sty should not have been relegated last season, but one persons fault they were. hat shite guy Hleb shouldnt be played for one. I want hi out of my club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: adrenachrome on May 13, 2012, 02:34:58 AM
Dear Alex:

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luu0tcoxz61qkvsam.png)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
Why haven't Oddschecker got any odds for McL keeping the job?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: willywombat on May 13, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
Every time he opens his mouth he seems to alienate more people, I cannot for the life of me see how he can keep his job beyond this weekend
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 05:42:00 AM
Quote
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that.

please tell me he hasn't said that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 07:21:39 AM
well he's got a point. There were people interviewed during the protest who believed this team should be in the top6. I presume they were being serious or weren't under medication. Mind, even i'm struggling to work out who the "silent majority" are that still back him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 08:05:42 AM
I think had a poll been done at the turn-style in the last game, do you want Eck in charge next season, the silent majority would have been about 2%!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2012, 09:27:44 AM
Quote from: mike on May 12, 2012, 11:42:32 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 12, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 12, 2012, 08:39:09 PM

Those of you who are making the trip to Carrow Road please do the rest of us a favour and scream your heads off for McLeish to be removed.  He is a cock and HAS to go.
Is that an order?

If you say so!
Which I don't.
How can a sentence with the word please in it be an order? Sounds like a request to me.
It's a bit Sargeant Wilson getting the Home Guard to fall in if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Embarrassing, almost O'Learian revisionism from McLeish.  "Not the 82 side blah blah.... Did you expect us to win the league blah blah".  Outrageous really, but probably more evidence that he will be getting the tin tack next week. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 10:36:58 AM
I love that story told by someone here about McLeish meeting Ron Saunders at a football doo and asking how the present side would fare against the lads of '82. Ron said they current side might get a draw, if they were lucky, but a good few of his lads would need a week to get match fit first!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 13, 2012, 10:49:57 AM
Alex Mcleish
Quote
When it was pointed out to McLeish that some fans were waiting to hear of his fate before deciding whether to renew their season tickets, he suggested a “silent majority” were still behind him.

Carlos Cuellar
Quote
“To see how good the players we’ve got on the team, but how bad the last two seasons were, you feel sad and bad. You feel, with the players we’ve still got, we have to do more.
"And the supporters deserve something better.”
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on May 13, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1069047/aston-villa's-alex-mcleish-vows-to-strengthen-over-summer?cc=5739

"I am anticipating change this summer. We have to bring in some added quality to the squad. If you look at the back-up this season, we could have easily been four or five players short of real quality and experience.

"We can certainly look to make sure next season is a more productive season than this one.''

"We have underachieved for Aston Villa in terms of past history and in terms of the name Aston Villa. People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that.

"But sometimes there are reasons for that not being the case and losing four or five players at crucial moments of the season has not helped. We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable for us.''

McLeish believes the negative reaction towards him does not prevail through all sections of the club's fanbase.

He said: "I don't believe that it's a giant contingent of fans. I believe it's a silent majority out there. I certainly think the fans have been really, really good this season. They have reacted as I would expect any fan in the world to react when their team loses a game.

"I don't think there's anything more negative about our fans than any other fans.''

His comments are becoming more ridiculous, and show how out of touch he is with our football club and the fans. I really do not see how he can win the fans over, and the more he speaks the more obvious it becomes.
I hope he just walks to save his own dignity and ours, but he has to go.





Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:08:45 AM
Alex, just to make it crystal clear FUCK OFF!!!

Thanks
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe

I thought it was just Dave behind him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Billy Walker on May 13, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
"I am anticipating change this summer. We have to bring in some added quality..."

Yes.  Starting with a new manager.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Stu on May 13, 2012, 11:23:18 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe

I thought it was just Dave behind him?

Not even DCF is really behind him, he's been on a giant wind up since about Christmas.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Nev on May 13, 2012, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: cdward on May 13, 2012, 11:03:01 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1069047/aston-villa's-alex-mcleish-vows-to-strengthen-over-summer?cc=5739

"I am anticipating change this summer. We have to bring in some added quality to the squad. If you look at the back-up this season, we could have easily been four or five players short of real quality and experience.

"We can certainly look to make sure next season is a more productive season than this one.''

"We have underachieved for Aston Villa in terms of past history and in terms of the name Aston Villa. People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that.

"But sometimes there are reasons for that not being the case and losing four or five players at crucial moments of the season has not helped. We have missed Darren Bent for 19 games now. I would have expected four or five goals in those games at least which would have made things more comfortable for us.''

McLeish believes the negative reaction towards him does not prevail through all sections of the club's fanbase.

He said: "I don't believe that it's a giant contingent of fans. I believe it's a silent majority out there. I certainly think the fans have been really, really good this season. They have reacted as I would expect any fan in the world to react when their team loses a game.

"I don't think there's anything more negative about our fans than any other fans.''

His comments are becoming more ridiculous, and show how out of touch he is with our football club and the fans. I really do not see how he can win the fans over, and the more he speaks the more obvious it becomes.
I hope he just walks to save his own dignity and ours, but he has to go.







That's the end of that then, he's jumped the shark, so to speak, with the '82 stuff.

There are two choices at a club such as ours when it comes to our greatest achievement. You can use it as a stick to beat the fans with, treating them with contempt as you lower expectations using our finest hour. Or use it in a positive manner, giving due praise and acknowledgement via a far off dream to maybe one day, reach those heights again.

I hope he gets huge abuse this afternoon, comments such as these, from anyone associated with our club are not acceptable
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 13, 2012, 11:33:51 AM
He's doing us a favour-hanging himself with these comments,unless Randy can't read or understand English?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2012, 11:37:56 AM
He thinks if Darren Bent had been fit for those 19 games, he would have scored at least 4 or 5 goals? That alone says how negative he is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: exigo on May 13, 2012, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe

I thought it was just Dave behind him?

If McCleish is still here next year, attendances will drop enough to make Dave the 2%.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
If he does stay, I'll be lumping a decent sum of money on us going down next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on May 13, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
One very important thing we have to bear in mind is that when he does go everything in the garden is not going to be rosy.   That is not to make excuses for him.   My opinion from the day he was appointed was and is that he is not the right man for the job.   However, we cannot be blind to the fact that too many players who have turned out for the first team in matches last season have not been good enough.

The senior players, for one reason or another - laziness, living in the comfort zone, being too old, being too fat, being too undisciplined or just plain old fashioned not talented enough - are the ones who have to bear as much responsibility for an utterly disgraceful season as the manager does.   It is true that we have some promising younger players - Herd, Gardner, Lichaj, Clark, Weimann, Baker,  but that is all they are, players with promise.

When McLeish goes, better quality players must be brought in and the malingerers shipped out.

Because our board are incompetent and our owner naive I think the crunch is much more likely to come next January than in the summer and that will make it very much more difficult but our board have previous for doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

If this is McLeish's last game with us today I shall be happy but nor properly happy until I see some quality inside the Villa shirts next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
Nah, when he goes flowers will blossom, people will sing and dance and laugh again, the sun will split the preternatural darkness and feral children will emerge from bunkers blinking at the sky.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 13, 2012, 12:17:24 PM
Quote from: exigo on May 13, 2012, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe

I thought it was just Dave behind him?

If McCleish is still here next year, attendances will drop enough to make Dave the 2%.


I know of another with tolerance in the Holte Upper.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
Me?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 13, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
I remember McLeish himself saying we should be higher up the table and we were not 16th then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: danlanza on May 13, 2012, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: ez on May 13, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
I remember McLeish himself saying we should be higher up the table and we were not 16th then.
That is up there with the worst statements made by that moron!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 12:32:59 PM
Every day he makes it worse, just fuck off Alex your an embarrassment to yourself and the club. There genuinely is no reason to keep him in charge, not one.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
McLeish has more chance of engineering success at Villa than I have of wishing myself into a snowball and becoming Frosty the Snowman's bell end. Let's pray that next week we can draw a line under him as a fleeting aberration in our club's (mostly) illustrious history.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Dave McLark Five on May 13, 2012, 12:17:24 PM
Quote from: exigo on May 13, 2012, 11:45:31 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 13, 2012, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Greg N'Ash on May 13, 2012, 08:10:39 AM
frankly if he got 2% i'd be surprised. 0.2% maybe

I thought it was just Dave behind him?

If McCleish is still here next year, attendances will drop enough to make Dave the 2%.


I know of another with tolerance in the Holte Upper.

That end of season awards dinner must have been really special to make you abandon all reason.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve R on May 13, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
One very important thing we have to bear in mind is that when he does go everything in the garden is not going to be rosy.   That is not to make excuses for him.   My opinion from the day he was appointed was and is that he is not the right man for the job.   However, we cannot be blind to the fact that too many players who have turned out for the first team in matches last season have not been good enough.

The senior players, for one reason or another - laziness, living in the comfort zone, being too old, being too fat, being too undisciplined or just plain old fashioned not talented enough - are the ones who have to bear as much responsibility for an utterly disgraceful season as the manager does.   It is true that we have some promising younger players - Herd, Gardner, Lichaj, Clark, Weimann, Baker,  but that is all they are, players with promise.

When McLeish goes, better quality players must be brought in and the malingerers shipped out.

Because our board are incompetent and our owner naive I think the crunch is much more likely to come next January than in the summer and that will make it very much more difficult but our board have previous for doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

If this is McLeish's last game with us today I shall be happy but nor properly happy until I see some quality inside the Villa shirts next season.

I couldn't agree more. It isn't just an issue of footballing ability, it is attitude.

With the possible exception of Shay Given, who seems very professional in his outlook, there has to be a question mark against   just about all the senior players - and maybe a couple of the younger ones too - as to whether they have the mentality and attitude to be part of Villa's future.

Whoever gets the job has far more on his (or her!) plate than  topping up a depleted squad or finding replacements for those that are leaving.

The current team may not be 1981 standard, but the current manager is no Graham Taylor either.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dorsetvilla on May 13, 2012, 01:06:49 PM
It's been a long time since I haven't been at the last game of the season, either homer or away. I really wish I could be at Norwich today, just to make my feelings known to AM and his terrible reign as Villa manger. I'm sure the 2500 Villa fans in attendance will let him have it big time, now that we are safe. Surely this has to be his last game in charge!   UTV
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: ez on May 13, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
I remember McLeish himself saying we should be higher up the table and we were not 16th then.


seething about the 82 comment , so itswin the europen cup or this , twit
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2012, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
One very important thing we have to bear in mind is that when he does go everything in the garden is not going to be rosy.   That is not to make excuses for him.   My opinion from the day he was appointed was and is that he is not the right man for the job.   However, we cannot be blind to the fact that too many players who have turned out for the first team in matches last season have not been good enough.

The senior players, for one reason or another - laziness, living in the comfort zone, being too old, being too fat, being too undisciplined or just plain old fashioned not talented enough - are the ones who have to bear as much responsibility for an utterly disgraceful season as the manager does.   It is true that we have some promising younger players - Herd, Gardner, Lichaj, Clark, Weimann, Baker,  but that is all they are, players with promise.

When McLeish goes, better quality players must be brought in and the malingerers shipped out.

Because our board are incompetent and our owner naive I think the crunch is much more likely to come next January than in the summer and that will make it very much more difficult but our board have previous for doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.

If this is McLeish's last game with us today I shall be happy but nor properly happy until I see some quality inside the Villa shirts next season.

Spot on again Brian, and it was clearly the issue last summer but it's an expensive issue so the board skirted around it and employed someone who was grateful for the job and wouldn't demand change.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt Collins on May 13, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: ez on May 13, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
I remember McLeish himself saying we should be higher up the table and we were not 16th then.


seething about the 82 comment , so itswin the europen cup or this , twit

Agreed. No season in the 20 year EPL history has been 81-82, but they've all been better than this one!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on May 13, 2012, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: ez on May 13, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: MAGNAN VILLAIN on May 13, 2012, 06:31:17 AM
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

It sounds like he is asking to be sacked coming out with statements like that, he has no respect for the history and honour of our club let alone any ideas how to improve on it.

Surely today must be the last time he's let loose with our club and he gets his reward, by email perhaps?
I remember McLeish himself saying we should be higher up the table and we were not 16th then.


seething about the 82 comment , so itswin the europen cup or this , twit

Agreed. No season in the 20 year EPL history has been 81-82, but they've all been better than this one!

Yes why mention it at all ffs. why not say we all expect and want better than this and we will we endeavor to do so next season .  I wouldnt buy it but it would be more diplomatic the twank
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: exigo on May 13, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
Randy called when he got the word
He said "I suppose you've heard -
About Alex".
Well I rushed to the Holte End
And looked outside
But I could hardly believe my eyes
As his big limousine rolled up
Into Alex's drive...

Oh I know just why he's leaving
Don't care where he's gonna go
There are so many reasons
But I just don't want to know
'Cos for thirty eight matches
I've been living in fear of Alex
Alex, who the f*** is Alex?

Thirty eight matches just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I'm hurting at every f***ing glance
Now I can finally get used to not living in fear of Alex
Alex, who the f*** is Alex?

Randy called back, asked how I felt
He said "I know how to help -
Get over Alex".
He said "Now Alex is gone,
But I'm still here,
You know I've been waiting
for thirty eight matches"
And the big limousine disappeared

Oh I know just why he's leaving
Don't care where he's gonna go
There are so many reasons
But I just don't want to know
'Cos for thirty eight matches
I've been living in fear of Alex
Alex, who the f*** is Alex?

Thirty eight matches just waiting for a chance
To tell him how I'm hurting at every f***ing glance
Now I can finally get used to not living in fear of Alex
Alex, who the f*** is Alex?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 13, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
There must be something going behind the seems if it is true that  McLeish said no decision on Heskey and Carlos had been made yet the players know?? Most odd.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 13, 2012, 02:47:08 PM
I really, really hate this prick with a passion. I've never known someone so momumentally crap and out of their depth.
Come back O Leary! All is forgiven!

That's how bad it is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2012, 03:08:06 PM
Excellent exigo!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
As I've said for weeks, I don't agree with the personal abuse.  I don't blame him for taking the Villa job, it was a great opportunity for him. However he clearly is not up to the task and must go.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 13, 2012, 03:51:00 PM
McLeish's future will involve spending a lot of time in his garden.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 13, 2012, 03:51:45 PM
Don't ever want to wish harm upon anyone, so could someone just kidnap him, stuff him in a crate and dump him out in the North Pole with a big coat a drill, and a fishing rod. Give him a Husky too. Failing that, give him a Heskey. By the time he gets back, Randy will have had to have got a replacement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 13, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
I wouldn't wish ill on anyone (except DOL, Paddy McGuinness or Bono) so I'm just hoping he takes a shine to Norfolk today and decides to retire down there.  He could buy a houseboat and go and live on the broads.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 04:57:10 PM
Bye bye, pathetic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2012, 05:00:32 PM
0-1-2-1, Alex.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 05:02:24 PM
Is he still here?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
If you have any dignity leave now. 1 win in 16 fucking games, and that was a last minute job.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 05:06:04 PM
That line-up, with us already safe, was an insult to everybody to genuinely loves Aston Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
Load the Gun.
Fire him now or any time tomorrow morning. I don't mind.

(http://www.muld.co.uk/ECKOFFsm.png)

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 13, 2012, 05:10:49 PM
He he gets back to Birmigham without being lynched - Randy should take him round to Deadly's back garden and show him his roses.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 13, 2012, 05:11:36 PM
I'm hoping that every journalist in the country is banging on about Abu Dhabi buying the Premier League and that none of them have picked up on the fact Randy's had McLeish put down at Carrow Road and is currently finalising terms with Lambert.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2012, 05:11:41 PM
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 13, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
If you have any dignity leave now. 1 win in 16 fucking games, and that was a last minute job.

How bad does that look
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TaxDodger on May 13, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
2 wins in 18 in 2012. Just wow.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: sidcowans10 on May 13, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Sack him first thing in the morning. That is all
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 05:11:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 13, 2012, 05:04:32 PM
If you have any dignity leave now. 1 win in 16 fucking games, and that was a last minute job.

How bad does that look

It looks as bad as it is.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TheMalandro on May 13, 2012, 05:14:17 PM
How did we survive mcleish?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 13, 2012, 05:16:07 PM
Don't know what's worse, this season or that it's not certain AM will be sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 13, 2012, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: sidcowans10 on May 13, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Sack him first thing in the morning. That is all

Do it now. Don't let him back on the team bus - make him walk home.....
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 05:16:35 PM
I hope we kidnap Lambert and that our team bus conveniently leaves without McLeish.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
This season isn't over until he's fired for me. He should have been told now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Can't wait to see what he says post match. What end of season gem will he come up with to make us more angry?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on May 13, 2012, 05:17:35 PM
I bet he is glad the season is over and never got anything like the grief he deserved. Guess he will take a nice holiday to recharge his batteries then look forward to a new season and a fresh start. Remember the players have a lot to answer for and he ain't shouldering the blame next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:19:06 PM
Quote
"People expect us higher up the table. This is not the Aston Villa team of 1982 (when they won the European Cup) and people have to realise that."

He, erm... he, he, erm... h-he....
....He actually went there.

Erm.......just shit off, you useless fucking sack of cum.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:24:49 PM
He should have been told already. He is completely incompetent and so far out of his depth it's unbelievable. Worst season I can remember.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 13, 2012, 05:25:55 PM
If Randy does not act after this debacle of a season then he is not worthy of owning our once great club.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
if it's not the end things are going to get very, very dark
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:28:24 PM
There is no manager who can survive the season we've had.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
The guy is a ******, appointed by a ****** who fails to understand Aston Villa.  Fuck off now you twat.  You're not good enough for Barnet or Macclesfield, never mind Aston Villa.  Oh, and anyone who wants to continue to give him a chance is also a ******.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: caster troy on May 13, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish: "It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.

"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.

"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.

"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 13, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
Here we go:
Quote
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish: "It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.

"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.

"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.

"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."

I don't know where to start with that. Deluded arsehole.

Mcleish OUT
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
..in other words, "it's not my fault"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Quote
"...I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."

Too easy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
No, you've been a shit manager for ages, you shit ******.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 05:34:55 PM
Blimey, in the end, Man united won as much as Aston Villa.  Perhaps Ferguson is right about McLeish after all!! 

Not. Both wankers. Fuck em.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: James on May 13, 2012, 05:35:19 PM
No you haven't, you've always been a bad manager which is why you getting the job mystified everyone in the first place!

White coat and a taxi for McLeech, and be quick about it!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 13, 2012, 05:35:52 PM
Quote from: caster troy on May 13, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish: "It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.

"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.

"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.

"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."


So he thinks its not aimed at him in the first place?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 13, 2012, 05:36:02 PM
Don't worry guys, I've spotted a couple of typos...

Quote from: caster troy on May 13, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
"I'm expecting the board to sack me. I think I won't be (Villa manager next season)."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
It just makes you so angry reading that. He's been coming out with that horseshit for weeks now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:36:14 PM
Fuck off now. Lerner if you don't act we are doomed, this has been fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
No, you've been a shit manager for ages, you shit c***.

This. If Randy doesn't sack him, there will be war at Villa Park next season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:37:38 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
It just makes you so angry reading that. He's been coming out with that horseshit for weeks now.

Delusional bollocks. There is absolutely no turning back now, there is no scenario that he can stay.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 13, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
All attention shifts to Lerner.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2012, 05:39:43 PM
He truly is a ****

If he is not sacked next week all those fans who have renewed their season tickets should ask for their money back and make Lerner think again.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2012, 05:40:13 PM
Things will just get much worse next season, it's not even worth thinking about.

I don't "hate" the man as much as O'dreary but I "hate" his football philosophy much much more than any villa manager in my lifetime.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 05:40:26 PM
Get to fuck McLeish. You're just taking the piss now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2012, 05:41:06 PM
"It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.
-Blames his players,Failing to take responsibility.

"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.
- Oh yes it was very much an Alex Mcleish team. They played crap !

"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.
- Oh how good of you. It was all aimed at you anyway, not the players! Idiot !

I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season)
-No reason ? Do you want a list !

We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."
- No you haven't, you were a bad manager when you arrived !



 

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Moorski on May 13, 2012, 05:42:03 PM
Mc Leish will not walk that is for sure.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mac on May 13, 2012, 05:42:09 PM
One reason to sack McLeish....

Even if he gets his way, gets rid of all the players who don't want to play for him. Brings in quality players that fight for the cause, he will still send out the team to be boring and negative because that's all he knows.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
BBC Final Score announced a decision will be made "before the end of next week". Seemed like an educated guess but do they know something we don't?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 05:43:08 PM
The board have only one decision to make of any significance in the next few days. If they fail they will not kiss millions of pounds away, but will piss on the collective hopes of thousands of fans. This, in my opinion is a decision that could break the camel's back for a lot of us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 13, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
If they keep him after this season then we truly are screwed, not just potentially next season but for every season where they are making the major decisions.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 05:45:15 PM
There is no choice to make, he's gone absolutely 100% certainly.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on May 13, 2012, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
BBC Final Score announced a decision will be made "before the end of next week". Seemed like an educated guess but do they know something we don't?

I think there was already a planned meeting between Lerner, Faulkner and McLeish this week. So I guess we'll have a good idea what to expect next season by the end of the week.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: caster troy on May 13, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish: "It was an absolutely shocking, woeful display. Maybe some of the boys were thinking about their holidays already.

"That team needs a change and there will be change. That wasn't an Alex McLeish team today. We need to bring more quality into the squad.

"I take (the fans' booing) on my shoulders for the sake of the players, I agree with the fans' frustration about our display.

"I'm expecting the board to back me. I have no reason to think I won't be (Villa manager next season). We've got through a really tough season. I've won lots of trophies as a player and manager and I haven't turned into a bad manager overnight."



The man is a grade A, deluded twat.  I'd love to be there when the useless fucking ****** is given the heave ho. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 05:51:23 PM
Not even 'another glorious draw' to go out with. Must have screwed his stats, somewhat?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: berneboy on May 13, 2012, 05:51:57 PM
tweeted: reporter "will you (Lambert) still be manager at Norwich next season?"

"erm, erm, it's difficult to answer that"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 13, 2012, 05:53:30 PM
Less than a goal a game over the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: luke25 on May 13, 2012, 05:53:48 PM
Less than a goal a game over the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 05:55:11 PM
Well I'm off to cut the lawn lads and lasses. I'll catch up with you lot in a bit. Hoping that the Villa bus leaves Norfolk without that prick on board.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 13, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 13, 2012, 05:51:57 PM
tweeted: reporter "will you (Lambert) still be manager at Norwich next season?"

"erm, erm, it's difficult to answer that"

This needs to be re-posted in the 'Time to be positive' thread!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 05:58:16 PM
Well done Paul Lambert for a good practical interview for Villa boss.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 13, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 13, 2012, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 13, 2012, 05:51:57 PM
tweeted: reporter "will you (Lambert) still be manager at Norwich next season?"

"erm, erm, it's difficult to answer that"

This needs to be re-posted in the 'Time to be positive' thread!

The reporter involved was Mat Kendrick.  He's doing us proud at the tail end of the season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: berneboy on May 13, 2012, 05:51:57 PM
tweeted: reporter "will you (Lambert) still be manager at Norwich next season?"

"erm, erm, it's difficult to answer that"
Baggies tapped him up already ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
BBC Final Score announced a decision will be made "before the end of next week". Seemed like an educated guess but do they know something we don't?

as long as that . should be tonight . Now fuck off
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
I've just seen on Facebook, he's resigned.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 13, 2012, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
BBC Final Score announced a decision will be made "before the end of next week". Seemed like an educated guess but do they know something we don't?

Basically, If he's still at the end of next week then he's staying.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 13, 2012, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
I've just seen on Facebook, he's resigned.

LOL!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
That post match interview posted here sounded like an ultimatum to the board to me.
"You either give me cash so I can buy my way out of trouble or you sack me as I’m not going to go through that again.”

In his defence, he is right in a way.  The players have not responded to his ideas (whatever they are) so something needs to change.
 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:18:43 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 13, 2012, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
I've just seen on Facebook, he's resigned.

LOL!

Yeah, I expect someone's having me on, clutching at straws etc.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
Poor season from McLeish
Even poorer season from the players who have disgraced the shirt
Enjoy your holidays wankers
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
That post match interview posted here sounded like an ultimatum to the board to me.
"You either give me cash so I can buy my way out of trouble or you sack me as I’m not going to go through that again.”

In his defence, he is right in a way.  The players have not responded to his ideas (whatever they are) so something needs to change.
 

It's because he has no ideas.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:18:43 PM
Quote from: Californian Villain on May 13, 2012, 06:16:27 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
I've just seen on Facebook, he's resigned.

LOL!

Yeah, I expect someone's having me on, clutching at straws etc.

Yep, it was from a Blues fan.

"it was on the news about a year ago.apparently he s managing a small team in aston now"

Aston Villa.  The gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: django on May 13, 2012, 06:22:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if we wait a while to see what season ticket sales are like.

We need to be decisive and show the wider football world as well as ourselves that we are not putting up with that kind of level of performance. I imagine their hands will be forced by the ticket sales though. Football is very much second rank to finances in the clubs priorities I fear.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
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Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
Lerner is now so disinterested I can see him keeping McLeish on
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Californian Villain on May 13, 2012, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 13, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
That post match interview posted here sounded like an ultimatum to the board to me.
"You either give me cash so I can buy my way out of trouble or you sack me as I’m not going to go through that again.”

In his defence, he is right in a way.  The players have not responded to his ideas (whatever they are) so something needs to change.
 

Assuming his ideas were to play for 0-0 and/or not to score any goals, they seem to be doing ok....except the defense, where there is plenty of room for improvement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Who gives a fuck what Birmingham City supporters think?  They can barely string a proper sentence together!  Just get this idiot sacked, away from our club, take his club car back and burn it. He has no future at Villa.  Don't bottle it Lerner, sack him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 13, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 05:55:11 PM
Well I'm off to cut the lawn lads and lasses. I'll catch up with you lot in a bit. Hoping that the Villa bus leaves Norfolk without that prick on board.
Heskey and Ireland went off in a car after shaking hands with a few of us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:25:40 PM
The team selection today was shocking
Why not player carruthers and Gardner
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on May 13, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 13, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Who gives a fuck what Birmingham City supporters think?  They can barely string a proper sentence together!  Just get this idiot sacked, away from our club, take his club car back and burn it. He has no future at Villa.  Don't bottle it Lerner, sack him.
can I have his car please, burning it seems a bit of a waste.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
    WORST ever home record in our long history

    Equalled the most ever draws in PL history

    FIRST ever team to not score from a corner all season

    WORST ever PL points total for AVFC

    LOWEST number of PL wins, could be the lowest number ever

But hey guys, it's because he's from the Blues, right?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: bones. on May 13, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 13, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Who gives a fuck what Birmingham City supporters think?  They can barely string a proper sentence together!  Just get this idiot sacked, away from our club, take his club car back and burn it. He has no future at Villa.  Don't bottle it Lerner, sack him.
can I have his car please, burning it seems a bit of a waste.

Of course you can sir.  He won't be needing it will he? I apologise for my wastefulness.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 06:30:48 PM
Lerner can piss off too! McLeish achieved everything the man wanted. Players out, wages reduced and retention of PL status, just. I know where the blame truly lies and if he does nothing to improve matters then the focus should squarely be turned on him! Football is not like any other business unless you start treating as such; then it stagnates. A Manure mate is lambasting the Glaziers for exactly the same style of management but I shant be distracted by those details.
New blood all round is the way forward for us!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ez on May 13, 2012, 06:33:22 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
    WORST ever home record in our long history

    Equalled the most ever draws in PL history

    FIRST ever team to not score from a corner all season

    WORST ever PL points total for AVFC

    LOWEST number of PL wins, could be the lowest number ever

But hey guys, it's because he's from the Blues, right?
Less points than he got last season!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:34:14 PM
New manager
New players please
Do not let the players hoodwink the fans
Disgrace
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2012, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
    WORST ever home record in our long history

    Equalled the most ever draws in PL history

    FIRST ever team to not score from a corner all season

    WORST ever PL points total for AVFC

    LOWEST number of PL wins, could be the lowest number ever

But hey guys, it's because he's from the Blues, right?
Here's the real dirt you need:
- Win ratio of 18.5% for the EPL season.
- Worst points haul since 1986-7.
- Highest number of draws in the division: 33% more than the next team (Sunderland).
- Highest number of draws in a season since 1975-6.
 - Lowest number of goals-scored in the bottom 6 clubs (and only surpassed by Stoke in the whole division).
- Lowest number of goals scored in a season since 1969-70.
- Worst record in the league for losing from winning positions – 22 points lost.
- Conceded more from set pieces than any other team.
- The only EPL team not to score from a corner all season.
- Villa's worst-ever league home record.
- VP crowds down by 9% this season.

On this basis, McLeish should leave the club tonight.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 13, 2012, 06:37:51 PM
Mods - please can we have a poll added as to when - and if - the axe will fall.

For what its worth, I reckon Randy 'The Procrastinator' Lerner will do it only when we have had a shocking start to next season - and just as the transfer window closes...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Suggest a question and a set of answers.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 13, 2012, 06:39:48 PM
Mat Kendrick ‏ @MatKendrick
Reporter: 'Paul, will you still be at Norwich at the start of next season?' Lambert: 'Erm, erm, erm, it's difficult to answer that'
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Lambert for Villa!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on May 13, 2012, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 13, 2012, 06:37:51 PM
Mods - please can we have a poll added as to when - and if - the axe will fall.

For what its worth, I reckon Randy 'The Procrastinator' Lerner will do it only when we have had a shocking start to next season - and just as the transfer window closes...

I also think will be at Villa Park in August.  I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Suggest a question and a set of answers.

When will McLeish get the chop?
-This week.
-Before the end of May.
-Before the end of June.
-During pre-season.
-During the course of next season.
-After he's overseen relegation this time next year.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 13, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Lambert for Villa!
he will be at the boggies by wednesday
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 13, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Suggest a question and a set of answers.

When should McLeish be sacked?

Tonight.
Tomorrow.
Within a week.
Within a month.
He should not be sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Suggest a question and a set of answers.

When will McLeish get the chop?
-This week.
-Before the end of May.
-Before the end of June.
-During pre-season.
-During the course of next season.
-After he's overseen relegation this time next year.

Poll on way.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 06:45:01 PM
Lerner and McL collaborated to take the piss out of the best support in the land. Time for the backlash!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Have we got a definite day and time confirmed for this meeting?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 06:45:01 PM
Lerner and McL collaborated to take the piss out of the best support in the land. Time for the backlash!

Quite right Brian.  That fuckwit Lerner has got away mostly scot free this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 13, 2012, 06:48:36 PM
They should fly him out to the States, sack him and them tell him to pay for his own flight back, out of his severance package.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 06:49:18 PM
McLeish never should have been sacked because he should never have been given the job in the first place.

Lerner \ Faulkener are as much to blame.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Have we got a day and time confirmed for this meeting?


Tuesday, I think.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Cuz on May 13, 2012, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
    WORST ever home record in our long history

    Equalled the most ever draws in PL history

    FIRST ever team to not score from a corner all season

    WORST ever PL points total for AVFC

    LOWEST number of PL wins, could be the lowest number ever

But hey guys, it's because he's from the Blues, right?


Spot on
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
It is a tricky one, this.

On one hand, I think "there's just no way they could possibly be so stupid / blind / stubborn to leave this bloke in the job, no way", and there's total unanimity on this on here.

However, then there's the fact that when his name was first mentioned last summer, we were all - all - thinking "there's just no way they would be so wilfully stupid as to even think about giving McLeish the job".

So, in conclusion, I can well imagine them being stupid enough to keep hin on.

On the bright side, if Randy rings Sir Alex up tonight to canvas his opinion, he's not going to take his call.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 13, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Lambert for Villa!
he will be at the boggies by wednesday

If he's that much of a moron I wouldn't want him here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 13, 2012, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:44:43 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 13, 2012, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
Suggest a question and a set of answers.

When will McLeish get the chop?
-This week.
-Before the end of May.
-Before the end of June.
-During pre-season.
-During the course of next season.
-After he's overseen relegation this time next year.

Poll on way.
Shit ref!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 13, 2012, 06:54:02 PM
Every single bit of common sense tells me he's a goner. And yet i'm still uneasy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:54:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Have we got a day and time confirmed for this meeting?


Tuesday, I think.
Faulkner said he was available from Monday
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
It is a tricky one, this.

On one hand, I think "there's just no way they could possibly be so stupid / blind / stubborn to leave this bloke in the job, no way", and there's total unanimity on this on here.

However, then there's the fact that when his name was first mentioned last summer, we were all - all - thinking "there's just no way they would be so wilfully stupid as to even think about giving McLeish the job".

So, in conclusion, I can well imagine them being stupid enough to keep hin on.

On the bright side, if Randy rings Sir Alex up tonight to canvas his opinion, he's not going to take his call.

I have been dreading this outcome since the 'vote of confidence' after Bolton. Me and the missus were talking about it and as she's not from the West Midlands she doesn't see the local press and the rumours. She asked me if there were any clues as to whether he was going to get the heave-ho and I have to admit, I have seen nothing that suggests his sacking is nailed-on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on May 13, 2012, 06:45:01 PM
Lerner and McL collaborated to take the piss out of the best support in the land. Time for the backlash!

Quite right Brian.  That fuckwit Lerner has got away mostly scot free this season.
As have the players
Yet they've been a disgrace to the shirt
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 13, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Lambert for Villa!
he will be at the boggies by wednesday

That would be a right kick in the teeth to Villa and Norwich if he was. Although Norwich can have a manager that has just performed miracles in keeping up a squad worse than those below them!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 13, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
Well Mr McLeish I would just like to thank you for the season we have just experienced.  I have become more and more depressed as the season has gone on.  I do not know why really as I thought when you were appointed that it could end this way, although not quite as bad.

Everybody said you were one of football's nice guys and you seemed to talk a good game.  So why have I become so depressed?  It is that you have turned on everybody that has supported you and blamed them for your failings.  In your interviews you have made one statement after another that did not match what I have seen during the season.  Over the last month your statements have out done your previous comments to the point where you are just coming out with utter garbage.  To say that the fans were against the players today when it was clear to all that the were singing about you, you must be living in a world of your own.

When the chips are down you only think about one person and that is yourself.  Do me and every other Villa fan a favour and go now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Faulkner should have been waiting in the wings to sack him immediately after that game but I forgot he's away on 'business' til Monday I honestly believe we have the most utterly gutless,spineless board in the whole football league
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Have we got a day and time confirmed for this meeting?


Tuesday, I think.

Cheers Legion. The eager anticipation I'm feeling takes me back to my childhood, I can see it clearly Christmas day 1977.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: curlytailavfc on May 13, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Lambert for Villa!
he will be at the boggies by wednesday

That job is Hughton's.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bones. on May 13, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 13, 2012, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: bones. on May 13, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 13, 2012, 06:24:13 PM
Who gives a fuck what Birmingham City supporters think?  They can barely string a proper sentence together!  Just get this idiot sacked, away from our club, take his club car back and burn it. He has no future at Villa.  Don't bottle it Lerner, sack him.
can I have his car please, burning it seems a bit of a waste.

Of course you can sir.  He won't be needing it will he? I apologise for my wastefulness.
thank you, your very kind.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Faulkner should have been waiting in the wings to sack him immediately after that game but I forgot he's away on 'business' til Monday I honestly believe we have the most utterly gutless,spineless board in the whole football league

What if that business was ironing out the final details of McLeish's severance?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 13, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
It is a tricky one, this.

On one hand, I think "there's just no way they could possibly be so stupid / blind / stubborn to leave this bloke in the job, no way", and there's total unanimity on this on here.

However, then there's the fact that when his name was first mentioned last summer, we were all - all - thinking "there's just no way they would be so wilfully stupid as to even think about giving McLeish the job".

So, in conclusion, I can well imagine them being stupid enough to keep hin on.

On the bright side, if Randy rings Sir Alex up tonight to canvas his opinion, he's not going to take his call.

I have been dreading this outcome since the 'vote of confidence' after Bolton. Me and the missus were talking about it and as she's not from the West Midlands she doesn't see the local press and the rumours. She asked me if there were any clues as to whether he was going to get the heave-ho and I have to admit, I have seen nothing that suggests his sacking is nailed-on.

I'm choosing to believe that the vote of confidence was a message the board had to put out in the circumstances and doesn't really count...

Anyway, don't these things usually turn out to be the kiss of death?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 07:02:45 PM
Why would lambert take a sideways move to WBA
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 13, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
Quote from: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: Diablo on May 13, 2012, 06:45:19 PM
Have we got a day and time confirmed for this meeting?


Tuesday, I think.

Cheers Legion. The eager anticipation I'm feeling takes me back to my childhood, I can see it clearly Christmas day 1977.

Eastie will be throwing one out watching Sky Sports News all day.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 07:02:45 PM
Why would lambert take a sideways move to WBA


As opposed to a downward move to Villa...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 13, 2012, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Faulkner should have been waiting in the wings to sack him immediately after that game but I forgot he's away on 'business' til Monday I honestly believe we have the most utterly gutless,spineless board in the whole football league

What if that business was ironing out the final details of McLeish's severance?
Then I would be ecstatic and eat every single word I've written Worringly Faulkner was defending Mcleish to the hilt after the Bolton loss basically saying that he had had so much to put up with and had not complained

I'm not holding my breath, the man hasn't a clue
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 13, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
Eastie will be throwing one out watching Sky Sports News all day.

You say that as if he wouldn't be watching SSN all day anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 07:08:53 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 13, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
Eastie will be throwing one out watching Sky Sports News all day.

You say that as if he wouldn't be watching SSN all day anyway.

Yeh, but he'll have two televisions on the go, and will have multiple boxes of tissues to keep up with the yellow ticker.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 13, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Faulkner should have been waiting in the wings to sack him immediately after that game but I forgot he's away on 'business' til Monday I honestly believe we have the most utterly gutless,spineless board in the whole football league

What if that business was ironing out the final details of McLeish's severance?

For the Owner and CEO to not be at the last match of the season and away on business, it surely must have been club business.  I do not imagine they were discussing a pay rise for the manager.

I believe the wheels are already in motion for replacing McLeish.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 13, 2012, 07:09:10 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:01:30 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 06:59:35 PM
Faulkner should have been waiting in the wings to sack him immediately after that game but I forgot he's away on 'business' til Monday I honestly believe we have the most utterly gutless,spineless board in the whole football league

What if that business was ironing out the final details of McLeish's severance?

For the Owner and CEO to not be at the last match of the season and away on business, it surely must have been club business.  I do not imagine they were discussing a pay rise for the manager.

I believe the wheels are already in motion for replacing McLeish.

They were probably out buying him a 'Sorry you lost the match, you're still our football fwend' cake.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.

More than anything, I want to start enjoying watching Villa again.

I thought  last season was pretty grim in the main, but it had absolutely nothing, nothing on this year. Last season we were getting poor results and looking disorganised, but at least you had an idea what the manager wanted us to do, he just couldn't get us doing it.

This season, by comparison, makes last year look like 1980-81. Ultimately, we have a manager who has not got a single attacking bone in his body, who came here with a wretched reputation for poor results and terrible football, and carried on in that vein.

He's actually managed to get us to end the season on fewer points than Small Heath got last season, and despite him saying that's not the way his teams to say, the evidence says something totally different.

Just incredible. The people who got this man into our club need to hang their heads in shame, they really do.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.

More than anything, I want to start enjoying watching Villa again.


Nail on head.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 13, 2012, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.

More than anything, I want to start enjoying watching Villa again.


Nail on head.
AVB would get the place rocking.I live in hope.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 13, 2012, 07:21:02 PM
We want nails in the coffin
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.

More than anything, I want to start enjoying watching Villa again.


Nail on head.

There is only one decision that can be made now, even from our clueless board. There is no possibility of him staying.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villainjock on May 13, 2012, 07:22:28 PM
can i dedicate this tune to lerner and his fuckwit sidekick http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OigFnuXL1NI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OigFnuXL1NI) 8)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 13, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 13, 2012, 07:02:45 PM
Why would lambert take a sideways move to WBA


As opposed to a downward move to Villa...

You don't honestly believe that guff do you?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:24:03 PM
Post match comments.  What a gigantic ****** that ginger bellend fuckwit really is:

"Alex McLeish spoke of his frustration after his team's 2-0 defeat to Norwich, insisting: "That was an unacceptable display."

It may have been the final day of the season but McLeish was already looking ahead to the start of the 2012-13 campaign, revealing change was needed in the playing staff to ensure a more fruitful coming term for the claret and blue troops.

He said: "It was flat. It was disappointing because over the past few weeks we have shown a bit of resilience to get us over the line.

"But that was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours. I have to change that. There will be change.

"People will talk of an end of season mentality this afternoon but I can't accept that because I've been used to winning trophies and medals throughout my career both as a player and manager.

"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked but I believe I can turn Aston Villa around by changing things around and adding to the quality, bringing players in who will work their socks off for this club and for me.

"I can totally understand the frustration of the fans. I am the guy who carries the can for the performances.

"But I don't ask the players to make a 10 yard pass and not find the target, a team-mate. It's frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff."

McLeish has vowed to build a winning mentality after two seasons of the team flirting with relegation from the top-flight.

He added: " It's up to me to turn the opinion around.

"I have to try and build a winning mentality at this club. It's two season now of flirting with relegation.

"We got in Darren Bent in January to get goals to stay up and we have still suffered the same kinds of problems this season, the lack of goals. The teams around us have all scored more.

"I think I can turn it around. I have done it before. I think in terms of the season you have to analyse it a bit more than just 'It's Aston Villa, they shouldn't be doing that.'

"We have problems. There are definite problems. I said at the start of the season that if we lost some senior players it could be a battle.

"I even said we could be in the bottom six or seven, maybe that was wishful thinking. Analysing the squad I thought that was a reality.

"I know we have still got to trade. The chairman has been clear. He's not going to throw in millions of pounds to bring giant names into the club.

"We still have to wheel and deal a little bit. But we certainly have to make some changes because two seasons in a row for Villa is not acceptable."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 07:25:51 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHH! fuck off Mcleish, nobody wants you at this club with the exception of maybe one fan.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: cdward on May 13, 2012, 07:27:17 PM
He knows his time is up, every time he got off the bench he was booed today. Renditions of sack McLeish m'lord, sacked in the morning, f**k off McLeish the Villa is ours, and stand up if you hate McLeish, must have given him some idea that this silent majority is bollocks.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:24:03 PM
Post match comments.  What a gigantic c*** that ginger bellend fuckwit really is:

"Alex McLeish spoke of his frustration after his team's 2-0 defeat to Norwich, insisting: "That was an unacceptable display."

It may have been the final day of the season but McLeish was already looking ahead to the start of the 2012-13 campaign, revealing change was needed in the playing staff to ensure a more fruitful coming term for the claret and blue troops.

He said: "It was flat. It was disappointing because over the past few weeks we have shown a bit of resilience to get us over the line.

"But that was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours. I have to change that. There will be change.

"People will talk of an end of season mentality this afternoon but I can't accept that because I've been used to winning trophies and medals throughout my career both as a player and manager.

"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked but I believe I can turn Aston Villa around by changing things around and adding to the quality, bringing players in who will work their socks off for this club and for me.

"I can totally understand the frustration of the fans. I am the guy who carries the can for the performances.

"But I don't ask the players to make a 10 yard pass and not find the target, a team-mate. It's frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff."

McLeish has vowed to build a winning mentality after two seasons of the team flirting with relegation from the top-flight.

He added: " It's up to me to turn the opinion around.

"I have to try and build a winning mentality at this club. It's two season now of flirting with relegation.

"We got in Darren Bent in January to get goals to stay up and we have still suffered the same kinds of problems this season, the lack of goals. The teams around us have all scored more.

"I think I can turn it around. I have done it before. I think in terms of the season you have to analyse it a bit more than just 'It's Aston Villa, they shouldn't be doing that.'

"We have problems. There are definite problems. I said at the start of the season that if we lost some senior players it could be a battle.

"I even said we could be in the bottom six or seven, maybe that was wishful thinking. Analysing the squad I thought that was a reality.

"I know we have still got to trade. The chairman has been clear. He's not going to throw in millions of pounds to bring giant names into the club.

"We still have to wheel and deal a little bit. But we certainly have to make some changes because two seasons in a row for Villa is not acceptable."

"The Fool on the Hill, sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head, see the world spinning round"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: paulcomben on May 13, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
That is shocking and also mistaken about which season Bent joined.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bowers on May 13, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
I really can't begin to articulate how angry I am with respect to that statement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: old man villa fan on May 13, 2012, 07:31:10 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:24:03 PM
Post match comments.  What a gigantic c*** that ginger bellend fuckwit really is:

"Alex McLeish spoke of his frustration after his team's 2-0 defeat to Norwich, insisting: "That was an unacceptable display."

It may have been the final day of the season but McLeish was already looking ahead to the start of the 2012-13 campaign, revealing change was needed in the playing staff to ensure a more fruitful coming term for the claret and blue troops.

He said: "It was flat. It was disappointing because over the past few weeks we have shown a bit of resilience to get us over the line.

"But that was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours. I have to change that. There will be change.

"People will talk of an end of season mentality this afternoon but I can't accept that because I've been used to winning trophies and medals throughout my career both as a player and manager.

"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked but I believe I can turn Aston Villa around by changing things around and adding to the quality, bringing players in who will work their socks off for this club and for me.

"I can totally understand the frustration of the fans. I am the guy who carries the can for the performances.

"But I don't ask the players to make a 10 yard pass and not find the target, a team-mate. It's frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff."

McLeish has vowed to build a winning mentality after two seasons of the team flirting with relegation from the top-flight.

He added: " It's up to me to turn the opinion around.

"I have to try and build a winning mentality at this club. It's two season now of flirting with relegation.

"We got in Darren Bent in January to get goals to stay up and we have still suffered the same kinds of problems this season, the lack of goals. The teams around us have all scored more.

"I think I can turn it around. I have done it before. I think in terms of the season you have to analyse it a bit more than just 'It's Aston Villa, they shouldn't be doing that.'

"We have problems. There are definite problems. I said at the start of the season that if we lost some senior players it could be a battle.

"I even said we could be in the bottom six or seven, maybe that was wishful thinking. Analysing the squad I thought that was a reality.

"I know we have still got to trade. The chairman has been clear. He's not going to throw in millions of pounds to bring giant names into the club.

"We still have to wheel and deal a little bit. But we certainly have to make some changes because two seasons in a row for Villa is not acceptable."

Every interview he gives now is just deflecting criticism from his own performance.  Each interview he brings something else up to make his performance sound better.  This time it is bracketting last season with this season as being unacceptable.  I know last season was not brilliant but we were improving as the season went on after a horrendous run of injuries pre Christmas and you could see what Houllier was trying to achieve.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Bournvillan on May 13, 2012, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 13, 2012, 07:11:22 PM
One can only hope that they've seen enough already and didn't need to be at the game. I really hope it is all academic and next weeks meeting is very short and very sweet for us.

More than anything, I want to start enjoying watching Villa again.


Nail on head.
My feelings exactly
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: citizenDJ on May 13, 2012, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:24:03 PM
Post match comments.  What a gigantic c*** that ginger bellend fuckwit really is:

"Alex McLeish spoke of his frustration after his team's 2-0 defeat to Norwich, insisting: "That was an unacceptable display."

It may have been the final day of the season but McLeish was already looking ahead to the start of the 2012-13 campaign, revealing change was needed in the playing staff to ensure a more fruitful coming term for the claret and blue troops.

He said: "It was flat. It was disappointing because over the past few weeks we have shown a bit of resilience to get us over the line.

"But that was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours. I have to change that. There will be change.

"People will talk of an end of season mentality this afternoon but I can't accept that because I've been used to winning trophies and medals throughout my career both as a player and manager.

"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked but I believe I can turn Aston Villa around by changing things around and adding to the quality, bringing players in who will work their socks off for this club and for me.

"I can totally understand the frustration of the fans. I am the guy who carries the can for the performances.

"But I don't ask the players to make a 10 yard pass and not find the target, a team-mate. It's frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff."

McLeish has vowed to build a winning mentality after two seasons of the team flirting with relegation from the top-flight.

He added: " It's up to me to turn the opinion around.

"I have to try and build a winning mentality at this club. It's two season now of flirting with relegation.

"We got in Darren Bent in January to get goals to stay up and we have still suffered the same kinds of problems this season, the lack of goals. The teams around us have all scored more.

"I think I can turn it around. I have done it before. I think in terms of the season you have to analyse it a bit more than just 'It's Aston Villa, they shouldn't be doing that.'

"We have problems. There are definite problems. I said at the start of the season that if we lost some senior players it could be a battle.

"I even said we could be in the bottom six or seven, maybe that was wishful thinking. Analysing the squad I thought that was a reality.

"I know we have still got to trade. The chairman has been clear. He's not going to throw in millions of pounds to bring giant names into the club.

"We still have to wheel and deal a little bit. But we certainly have to make some changes because two seasons in a row for Villa is not acceptable."

When, exactly, does he think he has "done it before"?!

And as for not having the money to spend, he spent nearly twenty million, didn't he? How much did Swansea spend? Or Everton? Or Newcastle?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ross on May 13, 2012, 07:35:42 PM
Surely he'd go quietly if it was a forgone conclusion.  I don't believe all this stuff about his resignation being accepted.  He is genuinely fighting for this job - it isn't just lip service.  Frightening stuff.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
AM talks a good game.  His team, certainly this season have played maybe 2 good games. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:36:00 PM
AM talks a good game.  His team, certainly this season have played maybe 2 good games. 

I don't remember him managing another team this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
Chelsea away, Norwich at home.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
Also Arsenal at home.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:39:57 PM
Yep, agreed.  3 then.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
Chelsea away, Norwich at home.

I think you could argue that they were decent results, but achieved despite our manager's tactics.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: tepavilla on May 13, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
Chelsea away, Norwich at home.

I think you could argue that they were decent results, but achieved despite our manager's tactics.
I think those were the games the players decided not to listen what Alex has to day and just play FOOTBALL
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 13, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
Bent says he's (DB) staying.  Perhaps he knows something!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 13, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
Bent says he's (DB) staying.  Perhaps he knows something!

Is that a Twitter thing?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 13, 2012, 07:51:03 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 13, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
Bent says he's (DB) staying.  Perhaps he knows something!

Is that a Twitter thing?

Yes - - more than once. 
Fingers X!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: myf on May 13, 2012, 07:52:02 PM
I just cannot see any way he can keep his job. 2012 has been diabolical and there can be no excuses for 2 wins in 18. I was one of the ones who thought he deserved til xmas 2012 but the last few months have been shockingly bad and he needs to be sacked this week to give someone else the time to rebuild the poor excuse of a squad.

Lerner has got to get it right this time...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:52:58 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on May 13, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
Chelsea away, Norwich at home.

I think you could argue that they were decent results, but achieved despite our manager's tactics.

The most damning thing is that despite all of the usually valid excuses a manager has (injuries, bad apples, players sold, the blues thing) he STILL deserves the sack.  He talks about 'a Mcleish side wouldn't play like that' etc but he is renowned, not only in the midlands but nationwide, for dull, uninspired, artless football.  Fuck knows what his Rangers side were like to watch.  He is either inept or his coaches are and he doesn't recognise it which still spells inept. 

I have no idea how he has managed to balls it up so spectacularly.  The performances have been abject aside from roughly 4 hours of the season.  Moyes he isn't.

Lets put it into context, if Spurs had been a game away from relegation what would the outcome be for one of their managers?  Everton?  Newcastle?  All similar clubs to the present day Villa.  That anybody should be even debating his future is absurd.  Gotta go.

 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 07:54:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?

Just checked that, the whole homepage is McLeish out tweets. Extraordinary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 13, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?

Been on there since just after the game - can't imagine that being allowed to continue ( unless they all know something as well.)
If this were twitter I'd be #clutchingatstraws!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 13, 2012, 07:56:40 PM
It isn't half-assed to that. Twitter is MASSIVE now, it makes sense to embrace it and involve it on the OS.

Our say will be on the official site. It's fantastic.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?

Ha ha, everybody, to the Twit Cave!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 07:59:34 PM
#fuck off McLeish.

At which club exactly have you "done it all before, turned it all around"? Given that you've had three relegation scraps in the last four? Tosser, just fuck off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/13yfom0.jpg)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?

Ha ha, everybody, to the Twit Cave!

I'm tweeting like my life depended on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
I hope the OS thing isn't a mistake that someone gets sacked for.  Unless of course it's McLeish!  I really hope the press pick up on it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
It worries me that the club print this shit and seem very much behind him

Alex McLeish spoke of his frustration after his team's 2-0 defeat to Norwich, insisting: "That was an unacceptable display."

It may have been the final day of the season but McLeish was already looking ahead to the start of the 2012-13 campaign, revealing change was needed in the playing staff to ensure a more fruitful coming term for the claret and blue troops.

He said: "It was flat. It was disappointing because over the past few weeks we have shown a bit of resilience to get us over the line.

"But that was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours. I have to change that. There will be change.

"People will talk of an end of season mentality this afternoon but I can't accept that because I've been used to winning trophies and medals throughout my career both as a player and manager.

"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked but I believe I can turn Aston Villa around by changing things around and adding to the quality, bringing players in who will work their socks off for this club and for me.

"I can totally understand the frustration of the fans. I am the guy who carries the can for the performances.

"But I don't ask the players to make a 10 yard pass and not find the target, a team-mate. It's frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff."

McLeish has vowed to build a winning mentality after two seasons of the team flirting with relegation from the top-flight.

He added: " It's up to me to turn the opinion around.

"I have to try and build a winning mentality at this club. It's two season now of flirting with relegation.

"We got in Darren Bent in January to get goals to stay up and we have still suffered the same kinds of problems this season, the lack of goals. The teams around us have all scored more.

"I think I can turn it around. I have done it before. I think in terms of the season you have to analyse it a bit more than just 'It's Aston Villa, they shouldn't be doing that.'

"We have problems. There are definite problems. I said at the start of the season that if we lost some senior players it could be a battle.

"I even said we could be in the bottom six or seven, maybe that was wishful thinking. Analysing the squad I thought that was a reality.

"I know we have still got to trade. The chairman has been clear. He's not going to throw in millions of pounds to bring giant names into the club.

"We still have to wheel and deal a little bit. But we certainly have to make some changes because two seasons in a row for Villa is not acceptable."
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:07:45 PM
Has there always been a Twitter feed on the OS or has it just been put up today?

#Inquiringmindswanttoknow
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: GJH on May 13, 2012, 08:09:01 PM
Forget the injuries,suspensions etc.

Mcleish still played 4-5-1 didn't matter who was on the field and in which negative formation he played.

Start of the season he said he had a better squad than blues and was aiming for a top 6 finish, christmas he said we would aim for a mid table top ten finish, yesterday he said the squad of players wasnt good enough and he wasnt suprised by where we finished!! The guy is a complete idiot, forget the boring negative football and the fact he has never managed a team to 40 points in a premier league season - he should get the sack for his after match comments alone!!!

Remember the negative comments through out the season, we can't defend, we can't pass the ball, we can't attack the ball etc etc etc- this went on and on and on. No wonder we finished where we did.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/13yfom0.jpg)

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9161/pravdau.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/pravdau.jpg/)

That' a big ten lol good buddy.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2012, 08:09:50 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:07:45 PM
#Inquiringmindswanttoknow
Huh?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/13yfom0.jpg)

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9161/pravdau.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/pravdau.jpg/)

That' a big ten lol good buddy.

Ha ha!

Brilliant. I posted one about McLeish bumming badgers, waiting for it to appear.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 07:57:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
I've just noticed - the OS has all tweets hashtagged avfc on its home page.

Take a look now for some interesting content. How fucking half-arsed is that?

Ha ha, everybody, to the Twit Cave!

I'm tweeting like my life depended on it.

I have been for a few hours now.  #mcleishout
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 08:12:53 PM
OS have taken off the twitter feed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 08:14:00 PM
Looks like the OS has now been fixed.  The bottom of the league table is now being displayed.  Mind you, that's just as embarrassing to be fair.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
I hope that whoever runs the OS has done that by "accident".  First Villa thing that's made me smile all day!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/13yfom0.jpg)

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9161/pravdau.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/pravdau.jpg/)

That' a big ten lol good buddy.

Ha ha!

Brilliant. I posted one about McLeish bumming badgers, waiting for it to appear.

I saw that one. I think I'm 'folllowing' you now...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
It worries me that the club print this shit and seem very much behind him
In all fairness the people who write this might only know as much about his future as we do here.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 13, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:07:45 PM
Has there always been a Twitter feed on the OS or has it just been put up today?

#Inquiringmindswanttoknow

Honestly - haven't noticed, can't remember!
But it looks as if someone has finally 'noticed'.

Nope - it's back!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 13, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
Because the league table looks so much better...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 13, 2012, 08:14:00 PM
Looks like the OS has now been fixed.  The bottom of the league table is now being displayed.  Mind you, that's just as embarrassing to be fair.

It's still there if you don't refresh the page.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Yossarian on May 13, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
I'm still getting the feed
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Hehehe, just got in before they pulled it. It was my worst tweet too.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 13, 2012, 08:18:28 PM
Fantastic. Well done guys. We beat the system.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 08:18:32 PM
The custodians of the club are a disgrace if they keep him on.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 08:19:52 PM
Twitter pic of OS comments before refresh: http://t.co/amTOebXQ
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2012, 08:21:05 PM
Bugger, it's taken me so long to work out how to tweet I've missed it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 08:21:44 PM
Cup Final:
Villa Ladies 0-1 Coventry Ladies.

Even the elephant men are laughing at us...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 13, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
Currently with Dave Woodhall (his phone battery has gone) and he's asked me to post that he'd even put his own money on McLeish going this week.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 13, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
Currently with Dave Woodhall (his phone battery has gone) and he's asked me to post that he'd even put his own money on McLeish going this week.

Swoons. Get down the Bookies, folks!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 13, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
Currently with Dave Woodhall (his phone battery has gone) and he's asked me to post that he'd even put his own money on McLeish going this week.

That is very very encouraging.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 08:23:59 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 13, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
Currently with Dave Woodhall (his phone battery has gone) and he's asked me to post that he'd even put his own money on McLeish going this week.

Another straw to clutch. Looking forward to his usual piece tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 08:30:24 PM
Twitter (yes, I know) suggesting season ticket info is 'suspended from this evening until the summer'.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 13, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
Actually, I believe it's on the OS, as well.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on May 13, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Well I have gone full circle now and think we should get behind McLeish and the team for the new season. There is no room for all this negativity.
Well his record is hardly any worse than it was at the start of this season is it. Just getting annoyed at some of the b*ll*cks I heard supporting him at the start of this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 13, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
Fingers crossed.

I can only hope that Lerner is en route and telling everyone not to do anything until he arrives.

When does he get here?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: SX150 on May 13, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Well I have gone full circle now and think we should get behind McLeish and the team for the new season. There is no room for all this negativity.
Well his record is hardly any worse than it was at the start of this season is it. Just getting annoyed at some of the b*ll*cks I heard supporting him at the start of this season.

Is that a joke?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
Quote from: Lou'zie0 on May 13, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
Actually, I believe it's on the OS, as well.
It is
Villa's supporter help evening, scheduled for May 15, has been postponed.

The fan drop-in event, organised to help fans understand the season ticket package, financial options and availability, will now take place later in the summer, details and arrangements to be confirmed in due course.

If you need help with any ticket queries, you can, of course, seek assistance by calling Consumer Sales on 0800 612 0970, dropping into the ticket office at Villa Park or Birmingham New Street or by reading the information in our season ticket guide - click here.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: SX150 on May 13, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 13, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: SX150 on May 13, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Well I have gone full circle now and think we should get behind McLeish and the team for the new season. There is no room for all this negativity.
Well his record is hardly any worse than it was at the start of this season is it. Just getting annoyed at some of the b*ll*cks I heard supporting him at the start of this season.

Is that a joke?
Yes its a joke but I am very pissed off.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 13, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
What does that signify, out of interest?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
What does that signify, out of interest?

The supporters help evening being cancelled?

The way things have been the past 12 months, Randy doesn't want a load of fans turning up & causing a scene after the board back McLeish at their little meeting.  Pessimist head on.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dicedlam on May 13, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked

What does this mean?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Ah mr woodhall is the bearer of good news- usually when dave says it then you can put your house on it- he was spot on with the darren bent story.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 08:44:32 PM
Let's hope that Dave is correct. The sooner the better.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 13, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Ah mr woodhall is the bearer of good news- usually when dave says it then you can put your house on it- he was spot on with the darren bent story.

As he'd say if he were here himself, that'll be nothing but his own opinion.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2012, 08:45:18 PM
Lets pop the champagne corks now lads- our hell is almost over!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Did Dave predict we were getting McLeish as manager? Maybe Dave is mysteryman...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 13, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked

What does this mean?

it means he hasnt had the funds the likes of the mighty swansea norwich newcastle have had ...... no hang on , he is just a twat thinking of more excuses
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eastie on May 13, 2012, 08:46:46 PM
True paulie but our dave is a very clever and wise man and not a man of wild stabs in the dark.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Did Dave predict we were getting McLeish as manager?

I doubt there's a mind on the planet sufficiently warped with superpowers to have predicted that.

I still can't really believe it, and he's been here a whole season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dl9 on May 13, 2012, 08:47:55 PM
Evening all,

Just got back from Norwich, in all my years 40 odd years of consistently following Villa I have never experienced the kind of atmosphere I did today.

Fancy dress, party time, people in a good mood - however the vitriol towards McLeish was unprecedented.

Don 't get me wrong, for the sake of our great club I want him out sharpish, however, the players were seemingly being spared the grief that they so greatly deserve. (though I did take great delight to hearing the immortal "If Heskey scores we're on the piss" & "We're shit but we're staying up")

Put simply, if there was just one more game to play this season we would be relegated such is the lack of anything positive within the whole set up.

Given aside, I don't care who of what I saw today goes.......but it needs to start with the manager.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 13, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
What does that signify, out of interest?

The supporters help evening being cancelled?

The way things have been the past 12 months, Randy doesn't want a load of fans turning up & causing a scene after the board back McLeish at their little meeting.  Pessimist head on.



Thank you for ruining that 'good news' for me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve67 on May 13, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 13, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 13, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked

What does this mean?

it means he hasnt had the funds the likes of the mighty swansea norwich newcastle have had ...... no hang on , he is just a twat thinking of more excuses

How convenient it is for McLeish to suddenly have amnesia about the Hutton, N'Zogbia and Given monies, plus the Jenas and Keane salaries and loan fees.  Plus, the Enda Stevens money.  How much?  About twenty mill altogether?  Yet more delusion from the man.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 13, 2012, 08:54:24 PM
Quote from: Michel Sibble on May 13, 2012, 08:30:24 PM
Twitter (yes, I know) suggesting season ticket info is 'suspended from this evening until the summer'.

Suspended because no-one would turn up
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Did Dave predict we were getting McLeish as manager?

I doubt there's a mind on the planet sufficiently warped with superpowers to have predicted that.

I still can't really believe it, and he's been here a whole season.
True but mystery man did say our new manager would cause Bent-like meltdown...

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2012, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 13, 2012, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: Jon Crofts on May 13, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 13, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
What does that signify, out of interest?

The supporters help evening being cancelled?

The way things have been the past 12 months, Randy doesn't want a load of fans turning up & causing a scene after the board back McLeish at their little meeting.  Pessimist head on.



Thank you for ruining that 'good news' for me.

Sorry!

How about, Randy wants to reschedule the event so the new man can be in place with a signing or 2 under his belt?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Did Dave predict we were getting McLeish as manager?

I doubt there's a mind on the planet sufficiently warped with superpowers to have predicted that.

I still can't really believe it, and he's been here a whole season.
True but mystery man did say our new manager would cause Bent-like meltdown...



To be honest, I thought Mysteryman was all over the shop on the manager front last year. I think he gets snippets and releases them in good faith, but he's far from omniscient.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2012, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 13, 2012, 08:46:21 PM
Did Dave predict we were getting McLeish as manager?

I doubt there's a mind on the planet sufficiently warped with superpowers to have predicted that.

I still can't really believe it, and he's been here a whole season.
True but mystery man did say our new manager would cause Bent-like meltdown...
And also said that McLeish wasn't even being considered for the position.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Which MysteryMan? The one who means well or the one who makes it up?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 13, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
Quote from: diceman on May 13, 2012, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 13, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
"I have not had the riches to spend on players that other managers would have liked

What does this mean?

Other managers like Moyes, Martinez, Rogers and Lambert, not to mention Adkins, McDermott, Hughton and Malkey McKay, would also like such riches but have managed better than he has without such riches. Much much better in fact.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 13, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Which MysteryMan? The one who means well or the one who makes it up?

Hard to tell which is which to be honest.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
I want to have a bet on Mcleish to be next manager to be sacked. I cant find on the net only the next Villa manager .
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
What's Peter Withe's odds?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
What's Peter Withe's odds?

4/1
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
Martnez still 2/1
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 09:17:52 PM
Withe has no chance and rightly so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
mcLeish said

Arguably some of the teams that have been relegated were stronger than us in terms of their overall squad

what is he on about ????????      GET HIM OUT!!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 13, 2012, 09:23:25 PM
Got me thinking about the tweets to the club which went unmolested for ages giving Mcleish dogs' abuse, so I had a look on facebook (don't usually bother) and added my comment to the other 181 All saying he must go .
Petty but every little helps !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: avfcb6 on May 13, 2012, 09:25:36 PM
Anyone know what day this week randy is due back at villa park.So he can put an end to the crap that we've endured this season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
What's Peter Withe's odds?

That's too short for comfort.

Top player, but not a club manager.
4/1
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Chipsticks on May 13, 2012, 09:33:08 PM
When is this infamous 'meeting' I keep hearing about?

Early this week isn't it?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: steffo on May 13, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Didn't Bacon Face say at the Reserve Play off on Thursday that he was 'Batman' for keeping an inferior squad in the premiership?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hadley83 on May 13, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
I really hope Lerner does the right thing and sacks the poor deluded fool. If we have to give him a pay out it should be 18.5% of whatever he thinks the figure should be,same as his win percentage.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 13, 2012, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 13, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
Quote from: eric woolban woolban on May 13, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
What's Peter Withe's odds?

That's too short for comfort.

Top player, but not a club manager.
4/1

Smacks of a Dalgleish witheout the previous success appointment
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 09:44:07 PM
He's only 4-1 because he said he wants the job. He's got no chance and as I said rightly so.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
He's also not 4/1 anywhere.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villainjock on May 13, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
lamberts after match interview definitely sounds like a "come and get me" quote.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charleeco7 on May 13, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Reading his post match comments I honestly think he will use his excuses and blag another season.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 13, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
Dear AM,

The reason we don't score enough goals is because you are far too negative. It really is that simple.

Lots of love,

Me.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 13, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Reading his post match comments I honestly think he will use his excuses and blag another season.

Time's up for him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Richard on May 13, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 13, 2012, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 13, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Reading his post match comments I honestly think he will use his excuses and blag another season.

Time's up for him.
It is yes - however if the decision made by the board is the wrong one and he stays what should or can we as fans do about it ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Quote from: Richard on May 13, 2012, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 13, 2012, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 13, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Reading his post match comments I honestly think he will use his excuses and blag another season.

Time's up for him.
It is yes - however if the decision made by the board is the wrong one and he stays what should or can we as fans do about it ?

Burn stuff, break shit.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Des Little on May 13, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
If he stays, the ground will empty and we'll get relegated.  Simple as.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2012, 10:08:43 PM
They'll be sacking him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: dl9 on May 13, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 13, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
If he stays, the ground will empty and we'll get relegated.  Simple as.

I hear you bro, but you'll always go and so will I. We'll never boycott them, wish we could!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Quote from: dl9 on May 13, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 13, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
If he stays, the ground will empty and we'll get relegated.  Simple as.

I hear you bro, but you'll always go and so will I. We'll never boycott them, wish we could!

I wouldn't boycott them, I just wouldn't bother going.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Quote from: dl9 on May 13, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: Des Little on May 13, 2012, 10:08:13 PM
If he stays, the ground will empty and we'll get relegated.  Simple as.

I hear you bro, but you'll always go and so will I. We'll never boycott them, wish we could!

I wouldn't boycott them, I just wouldn't bother going.

If i did continue to go, I'd sit there, legs crossed, mostly looking away from the pitch, sneering.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
I still think he has blagued more time out of the owner and the board.

What is the only real force opposed to him?   It is us, the fans, who want him out.

The owner and the board on the other hand -

Do not want to waste a penny more of managerial compo

They told him to cut the wages bill.   It is cut as of the departure of Tumbling Bear and the rest get ejected from their VP comfort zone.

They said keep us in the Premiership.   He did.

He is the owner's personal choice.   The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire and has in all certainty had his own way every day of his life.   He has fuck you money and is just as likely to say fuck you to the fans as to any other party.

In the same way that a hawthorn seed cannot germinate until it has been through the gut of a bird the reality of what has happened at Villa Park cannot be appreciated by the owner and the board until it has been consumed and regurgitated by the media.   Thus they believe the bullshit about McLeish's "bad luck" and "having had the Villa fans on his back since day one" and having to put out a team "of youth team players to fight relegation"   They are so naive and devoid of football nous that all they know about the game is what they read in the papers and see on television.

The way things stand as I see it at the moment, in the eyes of the owner and the board McLeish has the white hat and the fans have all the black ones.   He will stay until the media tell them his time is up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
They said keep us in the Premiership.   He did.

i dont understand why so many people assume this is the case.

We laughed at them when Gen Krulak said he thought we could get "fourth, oops, sorry, finger slipped", but we then assume they'd be happy with staying up?

I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 13, 2012, 10:51:12 PM
I think the best way to answer the question is to look at the quotes and performances.

After Bolton, the Board gave possibly the most lukewarm statement of support i've ever read.  Since then AML has gone into damage limitation, ensuring he gets his pay off while paving the way for his next job. 

Now the lifeboats are being hoisted and it's every man for himself.  Suddenly, it's all about the players being to blame, injuries, his great mental fortitude, whilst also saying kind things about 'understanding the fans frustrations.'

He's gone, i'm absolutely certain of it.  Just as certain infact as I was that he wouldn't be anywhere near the running for the job in the first place.


Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 13, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2012, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
They said keep us in the Premiership.   He did.

i dont understand why so many people assume this is the case.

We laughed at them when Gen Krulak said he thought we could get "fourth, oops, sorry, finger slipped", but we then assume they'd be happy with staying up?

I doubt it.

That was such an odd month. I'll never forget that period. Those pics of McLeish on the Holte End with the villa scarf, it just never seemed right.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
If Alex Mcleish stays Villa will have become like a comedy show.  I might have to renew my season ticket just to watch the comedy show.  Not the football part, obviously.  Well the football part to see how crap we get and how many points we get relegated by.  I've had a few beers by the way. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 13, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Come on, he's a goner. If ever a managers position became impossible, his certainly has.
Whatever he babbles about next season I think its just wishful thinking. He's desperate, clutching at straws and shifting the blame. All hallmarks of a man who knows the end is coming.

It is coming. Of that I have no doubt.
Just please... get it right next time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2012, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
Do not want to waste a penny more of managerial compo

At £800k a place in PL prize money, they can't afford to keep him.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 13, 2012, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 13, 2012, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
Do not want to waste a penny more of managerial compo

At £800k a place in PL prize money, they can't afford to keep him.

Not to mention the increasing financial cost his anti-football is having on attendances.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 11:46:10 PM
Just watching MOTD is enough to make me want to weep. Seeing how far ahead of us other teams are and how we're back to square one is almost unbearable. The decision the board have to make is one of the most important they will ever have.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 11:58:01 PM
There is only one decision they can possibly make.  If Alex Mcleish is Aston Villa manager by this time next month, I will eat my hat.  I have several hats.  You can pick out the one I must eat.  I'd like piri piri sauce on it please, but I will eat it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 11:46:10 PM
Just watching MOTD is enough to make me want to weep. Seeing how far ahead of us other teams are and how we're back to square one is almost unbearable. The decision the board have to make is one of the most important they will ever have.


they couldnt be bothered to talk about us really
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: curiousorange on May 14, 2012, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 11:46:10 PM
Just watching MOTD is enough to make me want to weep. Seeing how far ahead of us other teams are and how we're back to square one is almost unbearable. The decision the board have to make is one of the most important they will ever have.


they couldnt be bothered to talk about us really

I'm glad of it. We've had to flagellate ourselves for nine months without Captain Scarlet and Mary Poppins putting in their two pence.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 12:03:40 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 13, 2012, 11:46:10 PM
Just watching MOTD is enough to make me want to weep. Seeing how far ahead of us other teams are and how we're back to square one is almost unbearable. The decision the board have to make is one of the most important they will ever have.


they couldnt be bothered to talk about us really

Can you really blame them?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Ad@m on May 14, 2012, 12:08:08 AM
We must've broke a record for the number of appearances on last on MOTD in a season.

And Aunty's been absolutely justified in putting us last week in, week out.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 13, 2012, 11:58:01 PM
There is only one decision they can possibly make.  If Alex Mcleish is Aston Villa manager by this time next month, I will eat my hat.  I have several hats.  You can pick out the one I must eat.  I'd like piri piri sauce on it please, but I will eat it.
Your chapeau collection will remain intact my friend, I am sure of that.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: OzVilla on May 14, 2012, 01:17:02 AM
Atleast some of the Aussie pundits seem to have a better grasp on reality than the MOTD ones do.

Both Mark Bosnich and Robbie Slater said that AML should go and that his was a terrible appointment in the first place.  Bozzie also said we should go back in for Martinez.

Nice to see some paid pundits aren't just looking out for their mates and actually seeing things for what they are.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Brian Taylor on May 14, 2012, 01:19:13 AM
Feck off now. Feck off while you're winning! Feck off now the both of ye's..feck off the lot of ya!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villadelph on May 14, 2012, 01:53:29 AM
He's gone, right? He's got to be..
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on May 14, 2012, 02:20:35 AM
The comparison between McLeish and Audley Harrison has already been made by others. The one thing I would disagree with is that AM doesn't even talk a good fight pre-match. But his fighting talk and determination to '"sort things out" after the 38 round fight had finished today did remind me of Harrison trying to convince people to give him another shot. I don't plan to watch a Harrison 'fight' in future and I hope being a Villa fan doesn't mean I have to watch a McLeish 'fight' again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Matt C on May 14, 2012, 02:22:45 AM
Randy and his team should be sitting down tomorrow to have a simple discussion - how do we make sure we never, ever have a repeat of that season? There should be a few actions as a result, removing the current manager clearly being one of them but there are other things that need to change too including a change in mindset. We need to start acting like a big club again. Lets be winners not looking like we're happy to make up the numbers as we have so often done in the last 12 months and lets recruit a manager who thinks like that too rather than one who seems to regard a 0-0 as some sort of moral victory. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Damo70 on May 14, 2012, 02:33:52 AM
You can talk about injuries, players under performing, bad luck, finances or whatever you like. The fact is in two consecutive Premier League seasons with two different clubs he has failed to reach what most people agree is the bare minimum target for any club in this league of 40 points.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Steve R on May 14, 2012, 05:21:41 AM
Pretty much everything he has said since the Bolton game could be subtitled 'bollocks to the lot of you'. He's had a pop at the players and he has had a pop at the fans.

Whatever way it breaks, he must already know which way it will go.

I can't see why he would say half the things he has said if he genuinely thought were staying.

Then again I can't see what he gains from 'I will be here next season' if he knows otherwise.

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mita copier on May 14, 2012, 06:44:11 AM
Birmingham mail think hes a goner
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 07:14:25 AM
Quote from: mita copier on May 14, 2012, 06:44:11 AM
Birmingham mail think hes a goner
Arse paper,they know as much as us.Nothing.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: django on May 14, 2012, 07:53:27 AM
My mate at sky news texted to say "Mcleish sacking imminent, happy Monday morning"

Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: claret and blue blood on May 14, 2012, 08:00:39 AM
Please please please sack him before close of play today , anything else and I'll start worrying !
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 08:05:08 AM
I feel like doing a jig down train. I'm 41 years old, how did we let it get to this?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 08:09:30 AM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2012/05/14/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-to-be-sacked-today-97319-30963679/

Mat Kendrick article on how McLeish will be fired TODAY.

SSN confirm the meeting is during the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Holte L2 on May 14, 2012, 08:13:33 AM
I'm on a days holiday. Beer waiting to be cracked open when the news is confirmed.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 08:09:30 AM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2012/05/14/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-to-be-sacked-today-97319-30963679/

Mat Kendrick article on how McLeish will be fired TODAY.

SSN confirm the meeting is during the next 24 hours.

YESSSSSSSS!!!!! I am walking to work in a few minutes. The sun is shining and this enws has put a massive smile on my face!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 08:15:19 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 08:09:30 AM
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2012/05/14/aston-villa-alex-mcleish-to-be-sacked-today-97319-30963679/

Mat Kendrick article on how McLeish will be fired TODAY.

SSN confirm the meeting is during the next 24 hours.

Thank the McGrath for that - (what is kendricks % of getting thigns right? Surely they would not headline this is not true?)

Intersting when you look at our stats for the season and then see that both his ex centre halfs end up getting relegated!

Total wanker of a manager who i think will never get another top flight job
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: holte hero on May 14, 2012, 08:16:40 AM
Morning everybody has he gone yet........ Please
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 08:16:46 AM
Kendrick was resigned to us being stuck with him awhile back, the complete 180 he's done recently is a good sign - and this is a great one. Tim Abraham has joined in now, saying all signs point to it happening today.

I really think his time is up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: django on May 14, 2012, 07:53:27 AM
My mate at sky news texted to say "Mcleish sacking imminent, happy Monday morning"



Queue the contract extension
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 14, 2012, 08:29:18 AM
The board can only make one right decision today, and that is to let him go. He should never manage in the premier league again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:33:51 AM
The Mail are unlikely to go that big unless it's real.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 08:35:58 AM
I had a couple of good lines on this last week but didn't want to go blabbing it about, plus they were quite obviously 16 ton hints rather than explicit explanations so I didnt want to get ahead of myself. Everything I heard since then reinforces this story.

He's a goner alright. Let's face it, its way too late and not really a suprise.
The man is woefully out of his depth and a terrible appointment.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
So is the meeting today or not? I would really like to start the week off on a massive high.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
So is the meeting today or not? I would really like to start the week off on a massive high.

You're in Holland and asking us for a massive high? Fuck me, things must be bad.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
Hopefully confirmed this morning then I can go to pub to celebrate
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 08:50:18 AM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
So is the meeting today or not? I would really like to start the week off on a massive high.

It would be nice so I can get on with some work rather than checking out the latest on here every five minutes!!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: F. Austin Purcell on May 14, 2012, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
Hopefully confirmed this morning then I can go to pub to celebrate

I'd wait to see who they appoint before you get the bunting up.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 08:54:43 AM
Quote from: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 08:50:18 AM
Quote from: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
So is the meeting today or not? I would really like to start the week off on a massive high.

It would be nice so I can get on with some work rather than checking out the latest on here every five minutes!!!!

I am under no illusions that whilst there is a possibility of him being sacked today, my work effort will be severely compromised.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 08:57:16 AM
If it happens I'll be cracking a beer later!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DB on May 14, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: F. Austin Purcell on May 14, 2012, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
Hopefully confirmed this morning then I can go to pub to celebrate

I'd wait to see who they appoint before you get the bunting up.


Not hard to improve on him though!
Saying that, I hope this board to have the brains to get someone decent in and have learnt from this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2012, 09:13:12 AM
It's ten minutes past nine in UK and he is still at Villa park...come on Randy PULL
I will be on here in an hour or two to get the good nay great news.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: DB on May 14, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
Quote from: F. Austin Purcell on May 14, 2012, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
Hopefully confirmed this morning then I can go to pub to celebrate

I'd wait to see who they appoint before you get the bunting up.


Not hard to improve on him though!
Saying that, I hope this board to have the brains to get someone decent in and have learnt from this.


Harry Redknapp's wife could do a better job than McLeish. Randy has succeeded in lowering expectations so much that the fan base would be happy with a solid manager that even if not too exciting.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 09:14:28 AM
I have seen this Mcleish quote earlier in the thread
Quote
“But for three minutes last season and one goal I would have been probably the greatest manager in Birmingham’s history – that’s how fine a line it is.”
Initially I thought it was a spoof comment but to see that he actually made that comment in his defence is comical. If he's prepared to say stuff like that to the press, just imagine what the players have had to put up with this season - no wonder they haven't responded to him.

The sooner we cleanse the club of him the better. Hopefully there will be time to sign up Carlos too!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
Mcleish really needs to stop talking as he is only embarrassing himself even more.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pembroke sidney on May 14, 2012, 09:22:30 AM
randy needs to act swiftly to avoid the mistakes of the past two seasons, sack macleish yesterday and appoint his replacement asap.  Lambert looks like a decent shout but it's pretty slim pickings out there.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
I'm going to go out and get totally bladdered on Sat if he get's sacked this week. I'm going to ruin my liver.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
I'm going to go out and get totally bladdered on Sat if he get's sacked this week. I'm going to ruin my liver.

Sounds very good, then I'll be off to see Black Sabbath on the night. Please happen.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 09:29:43 AM
"But for losing so many matches, not winning the league, the champions league and FA Cup, I'd be Aston Villas greatest ever manager. It's all fine margins." Alex McLeish 15/5/2012 (carrying his office stuff in a cardboard box to his car).
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
I'll phone him and sack him if you like, Randy?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:30:54 AM
And I'd make it clear he was sacked, none of this mutual consent rubbish, even if it cost an extra million...

The worst league performance in terms of winning games in 138 years of football. That is some achievement.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: F. Austin Purcell on May 14, 2012, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 08:44:45 AM
Hopefully confirmed this morning then I can go to pub to celebrate

I'd wait to see who they appoint before you get the bunting up.


Is that a euphemism?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mattjpa on May 14, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
All over the media today that we have lambert lined up. Not my first choice but could be a great decision by rl and co.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 09:52:54 AM
I was having a think about this last night and the biggest fault of Mcleish, for me anyway, is not the way he has tried to get us playing, but that he has failed at doing so.

Yes, he is a defensive minded manager.  I don't watch much Scottish league football, but what I saw of his Scotland national and Birmingham sides were solid at the back, get the basics right and although we won't score many, the ones we do will count.  Most would not be happy with that, but I would be if the results were there.  However, we weren't tight at the back, could barely take a throw in correctly and results were shit.  More than that, there was no cohesion between the players and we mostly looked liked 11 strangers playing together.  I think he did try to get us to pass it around a bit, but we failed at that also.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I want him gone not because of the type of manager he is, but that he has singularly failed to install any form of game plan on to the team. 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
The rumour that Randy put a clause in his contract that his pay-out would be less if under 40 points is a bit odd, surely if that was in there Randy had doubts that we'd get 40 points, this is all one huge fucking car crash. Needs fixing now.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
I want him gone for both reasons. I hated his ultra defensive approach at Blues. I thought he'd realise he wouldn't get away with it here, but he tried anyway.

The scary thing is, despite the evidence of several seasons now, as late as yesterday he was doing his "I'm not negative" thing. This minutes after a meaningless last day fixture at a promoted side, where at one point he'd had seven defenders on the pitch.

It was also interesting to see that very often, his approach to a defence which leaked goals wasn't to work with the back four, it was to throw more defenders on.

You're right, he didn't manage to do what he wanted to do, but that would have just been a more defensively tight version of what we got, which would still have been brutal to behold.

Sorry, I can find no sympathy for him at all. I used to think he was at least a decent bloke, but with some of the nonsense he has spouted recently, he has moved fully into O'Leary territory.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Maybe he only saw him as a temporary appointment while he continued getting the wages down, as he couldn't get who he really wanted last summer? 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Maybe he only saw him as a temporary appointment while he continued getting the wages down, as he couldn't get who he really wanted last summer? 
Why give him a 3 year contract then ? This is the part I find most gob smacking
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 10:03:49 AM
I have no sympathy for him either, Paulie - just pointing out what I feel was his biggest flaw.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 10:04:54 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
The rumour that Randy put a clause in his contract that his pay-out would be less if under 40 points is a bit odd, surely if that was in there Randy had doubts that we'd get 40 points, this is all one huge fucking car crash. Needs fixing now.
I think Abraham has got that rumour from here
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 14, 2012, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Maybe he only saw him as a temporary appointment while he continued getting the wages down, as he couldn't get who he really wanted last summer? 
Why give him a 3 year contract then ? This is the part I find most gob smacking

He'd have to be nuts to give someone he only wants for a year a three year deal, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on May 14, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
I will believe it when its official. When he has departed with his cardboard box full of trophies [which he missed by 3 minutes], then  will I celebrate, cheer, take the dog up a nearby mountain, celebrate again and generally be happy, when its official...............................!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 14, 2012, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on May 14, 2012, 08:13:33 AM
I'm on a days holiday. Beer waiting to be cracked open when the news is confirmed.

Me too.  I'll celebrate with a nice glass of single malt when the bullet comes.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: charlie on May 14, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
I will believe it when its official. When he has departed with his cardboard box full of trophies [which he missed by 3 minutes], then  will I celebrate, cheer, take the dog up a nearby mountain, celebrate again and generally be happy, when its official...............................!


Fingers crossed eh. Although the high wind might blow you off the mountain today, so please be careful when up there!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on May 14, 2012, 10:12:02 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 09:55:22 AM
The rumour that Randy put a clause in his contract that his pay-out would be less if under 40 points is a bit odd, surely if that was in there Randy had doubts that we'd get 40 points, this is all one huge fucking car crash. Needs fixing now.

I've always wondered why Managers contacts don't have something like this especially If they get relegated. I guess even though its in the contract the manager's lawyer could argue that it was an unreasonable term. Stating 38 points might be consdered a stronger contract as points needed to be relegated varies. It also has the bonus of being in a stronger position to get rid of him having stayed up on 38 points.

I've got no idea about Law and just speculating, it could also be a load of rubbish anyway.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Merv on May 14, 2012, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:01:07 AM
It was also interesting to see that very often, his approach to a defence which leaked goals wasn't to work with the back four, it was to throw more defenders on.

Absolutely, and increasingly, his 'tactic' has been to play defenders in midfield. I think we all agree Clark is a decent defensive midfielder, but to also use Warnock there regularly, as well as Herd - who is a combative defensive type of midfielder - smacks of a manager who just wants to pack his team with blockers and stoppers. While the likes of Gardner, Bannan and N'Zogbia - creative midfield players - are used sparingly or not at all.

Fundamentally, I just don't think McLeish understands football. It was the reason he played Heskey in midfield for half a season. Why? Because he's big and physical and might get in the way a bit? And I know it was an unsubstantiated rumour, but I can entirely believe McLeish would be interested in Karl Henry to add to the midfield - not a player to improve ball retention and possession, but a physically strong player to, err... block and... stuff.

But John's right. McLeish hasn't cultivated a strong defensive team, just a team which does barely anything of note past the halfway line, and concedes soft goals almost every week. There's no discernible style, shape, cohesion... it's all a bit of sad shambles.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 10:15:20 AM
For me its a no-brainer, McLeish has to go, but like many I wouldn't be surprised if he remained in charge. 

I didn't want him here but once the decision was made, I backed him as he was our manager, but McLeish himself has made it impossible to back him anymore and now that the season is over, the board surely has to act quickly to get the supporters back onside.

It was a dire season, and I'm being polite! 
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JB1811 on May 14, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
He's going...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: DBTW on May 14, 2012, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
He's going...

Just saying his goodbyes to staff.........
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:27:33 AM
Playing 6 defenders would be acceptable if we won games 1-0...
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 10:27:38 AM
The question is when?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:27:47 AM
Times journo reporting on twitter that he is saying goodbyes and just got to sort compo.


Interesting one from Abraham that under 40 points is a reduced compo claim. Maybe that is what his ramblings about a good job have been about.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on May 14, 2012, 10:29:24 AM
Wind in Cumbria has dropped, moving south apparently to blow the bollocks from under Mac twerps kilt, [if there be any there], will believe when its official!!!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 10:32:36 AM
Has to be gone when he meets with Lerner this week. If he isn't sacked at that meeting he'll still be here next season. Hopefully they'll do the right thing and take time to get the next appointment right. Maybe even get a DoF in and formulate a long term plan and get the right manager/coach in to bring the club together again.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.

only an hour and 25mins to go then!  Well, thats if you class 12 noon as lunch time  :)
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: charlie on May 14, 2012, 10:37:25 AM
Villa...........long term plan?., was that not the idea with GH........ long term plan = long term investment=cash..... Randy don't have buckets of that anymore so it seems.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 10:38:10 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.

only an hour and 25mins to go then!  Well, thats if you class 12 noon as lunch time  :)
Christ ! Another day of getting bugger all done
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.
[/

only an hour and 25mins to go then!  Well, thats if you class 12 noon as lunch time  :)

I'm getting quite teary.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Sounds like he's gone which is great. I don't have sympathy for him(other than the personal abuse, that was too much), but at the same time I don't blame him for taking the job. He just was never up to it.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:43:35 AM
Lansley just tweeted "avfc dismiss McLeish"
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.

Its a misprint - we've put in a bid for Ivan Campo!

Bedsheets on full scale alert!
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
I also think that the 40 points rumour is bollocks, why would he agree to that?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Lansley@times now saying he is sacked.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: willywombat on May 14, 2012, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
Sounds like he's gone which is great. I don't have sympathy for him(other than the personal abuse, that was too much), but at the same time I don't blame him for taking the job. He just was never up to it.

That's spot on for me Paul
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 10:45:53 AM
I'm glad I have the week off. It could be a chuffing long one. I don't expect to hear anything official today, basically because we're not that lucky.

We'll hear the England squad before we have a proper announcement from Villa.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Pete on May 14, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
5/1 odds on to be sacked (Skybet). Lambert and Martinez clear favourites to take over. No complaints from me about any of this.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Lansley@times now saying he is sacked.

I'm officially temporarily stopping work until the announcement is made.
If anyone in the Amsterdam area here's a giant whoop in the next hour, it won't be the monthly bomb alarm test, but the sound of an old overweight Brummie screaming with relief.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: JB1811 on May 14, 2012, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
Lansley@times now saying he is sacked.
Is he taking Faulkner with him?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
McLeish is out. Just had it confirmed by a friend to go along with the tweets.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 10:50:27 AM
the biggest single fuck up in our history and one that cannot ever be repeated
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:43:35 AM
Lansley just tweeted "avfc dismiss McLeish"

Who is Lansley ?
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 10:50:38 AM
SSN confirming currently in talks
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
SSN reporting McLeish is currently having talks with Paul Faulkner
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:43:35 AM
Lansley just tweeted "avfc dismiss McLeish"

Midlands football reporter at Times.
Who is Lansley ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 10:51:47 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:43:35 AM
Lansley just tweeted "avfc dismiss McLeish"

Who is Lansley ?

Midlands sports reporter for the Times,I believe.
Title: Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
Now, according to The Guardian Top 10s of the season, the criticism by Blackburn fans is mentioned in the Top 10 Gripes, Villa aren't. (Villa are mentioned in only one of the top 10s directly and that is for Top 10 Flops - guess who?)

Perhaps Villa fans were wrong, and that the press believed that most Villa fans were the 'silent majority', and that the 'noisy majority' were just against the manager because of his blues background.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/poll/2012/may/14/premier-league-2011-12-vote
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Oh please, please, please.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:52:45 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 10:43:35 AM
Lansley just tweeted "avfc dismiss McLeish"

Midlands football reporter at Times.
Who is Lansley ?
I am getting a little bit excited
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 10:53:17 AM
Please sack him.  Please.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
Lambert 5/2
Martinez 11/4
MacDonald 8/1
Rodgers 10/1

12/1 Bar - although I think its more likely to be odds on myself.

Ring the fucking bells.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 10:54:08 AM
The end game is nigh, might just make it for SSN headlines at 1pm with a bit of luck so I can celebrate with a chicken, salad and salad cream sandwich...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TheMalandro on May 14, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
I can feel a Lerner love fest coming
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: avfcpg on May 14, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Suffering from a cold and off to bed...I fully expect to wake up in a few hours time feeling an awful lot better...
Lambert to be appointed please...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 10:55:15 AM
Some outsiders:

Peter Withe 33/1

Steve Potato Head Bruce 33/1

No price on Glenn Roeder/Lee Clark yet.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:55:16 AM
I can feel a sense of relief starting to creep over the world.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 14, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Suffering from a cold and off to bed...I fully expect to wake up in a few hours time feeling an awful lot better...
Lambert to be appointed please...

And Ricky Lambert to be signed as well, please
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Steve kirk on May 14, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Fuckin hell im checking every 2 minutes now, please let it be true.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
I'm shaking with excitement.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 10:57:07 AM
Offers a silent prayer...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:57:53 AM
Ding dong the witch is dead! (hopefully)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DBTW on May 14, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
I'm shaking with excitement.

Me too
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TheMalandro on May 14, 2012, 10:59:35 AM
This stinks of being too easy for us....don't we normally have to wait weeks for this excitement?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: Steve kirk on May 14, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Fuckin hell im checking every 2 minutes now, please let it be true.

I'm even looking for smoke signals or anything to give a clue. I think their are some indigenous South American tribes  undiscovered by the modern world mentioning it at their tribal gathering.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 10:57:53 AM
Ding dong the witch is dead! (hopefully)

Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, my!

I'm prepared to be a friend of Dorothy for this too.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:00:17 AM
I'm glad i'm not at work i would'nt have got anything done. It's sounding like he's on his way.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 11:01:16 AM
He's wrangling his compensation package! He should be paying us after his performance this season...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet Has he gone yet?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
let's hope this is true can you imagine the feeling of anger and frustration if it proves groundless
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
My earlier confirmation comes from a guy who works various security roles for Villa - normally Bodymoor. He's told me a few snippets before that were all right, so I'm assuming he's gone and they're hashing out comp and stuff.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.

This all becoming from inside sources, so it's possible that this is just an hour or so behind the Times guy.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 11:03:48 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.

Where's Alan Sugar when you need him?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: Steve kirk on May 14, 2012, 10:56:40 AM
Fuckin hell im checking every 2 minutes now, please let it be true.

I'm currently having an Ertha Kit and have taken my iPhone with me in case I miss anything!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 11:04:43 AM
The suspense is killing me; I do hope it will last.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 11:05:42 AM
The special air raid / tsunami / earthquake / McLeish Sacked / hurricane / fireball siren went off at work today. We had to spend five minutes kneeling/quivering/cowering under the tables with our hands protecting our heads. Then a second special siren announced the end of the danger and we all went out into the sunshine to enjoy a prolonged break.

I KNEW it wasn't just a drill (And I envy the Year 10 class who had to quiver under the table with Miss [name withheld but you would definitely take her "up the Prince Hal"] who had decided to come in wearing a plunging blouse and seasonly short skirt, no tights...).
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:05:47 AM
Where's my anxiety pills?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Dave Javu on May 14, 2012, 11:05:55 AM
I think I might have broken my F5 key.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
This is becoming like a match thread!

I get the feeling we're into our last hour of having McLeish as manager...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: MattW on May 14, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Hopeful the announcement of his departure contains traces of apology for the poor appointment, and an assertion of still flickering ambition. In his first press conference McLeish mentioned restricted budgets and making-do. His appointment typified a terrible strategy from the executive, which almost sent us down. Time to begin righting that is now. There's no point just appointing someone else to just get by.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
I'v never been so excited. I've never hammered my phone so much, or refreshed my internet as quickly, I'm shaking...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
Be fantastic if indeed the news we all want to hear is delivered today.  The board, against expectation, would have acted promptly and at least we could get on with the rebuilding required.

What odds on Barry Fry I wonder...??
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
I'm so happy!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: MattW on May 14, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Hopeful the announcement of his departure contains traces of apology for the poor appointment, and an assertion of still flickering ambition. In his first press conference McLeish mentioned restricted budgets and making-do. His appointment typified a terrible strategy from the executive, which almost sent us down. Time to begin righting that is now. There's no point just appointing someone else to just get by.

Indeed Matt.  The board need to look at the last two years, and ask themselves where it all went wrong.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 11:10:35 AM
I will be renewing my season ticket as soon as this is all confirmed and official.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:10:42 AM
Some serious banging-heads-together needs to happen.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Christ I got diagnosed with a heart murmur last week and I've got an ECG for  it tomorrow. This can't be good for it!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
Is there a lollipop for which of us can be first to confirm it has definitely happened?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 14, 2012, 11:11:42 AM
Fuck you Boom Town Rats!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Christ I got diagnosed with a heart murmur last week and I've got an ECG for  it tomorrow. This can't be good for it!
hahahahaahahahahahah that's funny!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
From The Times website

Aston Villa have parted company with Alex McLeish after his disappointing first season in charge of the club ended with the club barely avoiding relegation from the Barclays Premier League, The Times understands.
 
The Scot won only seven league games as the Midlands club finished sixteenth in the Barclays Premier League after they rounded off the campaign with a 2-0 defeat at the hands of Norwich City at Carrow Road which he himself branded “woeful”.
 
The club owner, Randy Lerner, was scheduled to fly in from the United States to hold talks with McLeish following the final game of the season. It seems that the 53-year-old has paid the price for a season of underachievement.
 
McLeish has had to operate under extremely difficult financial conditions as the club have slashed costs since he crossed the city of Birmingham to succeed Gιrard Houllier in the Villa Park hotseat last summer. Villa have cashed in on the likes of Stuart Downing, who left for Liverpool for £20 million, while the likes of Brad Friedel, John Carew and Luke Young have all departed the club.
 
McLeish has also been bedevilled by injury problems throughout the campaign with the likes of Darren Bent, the record signing, Richard Dunne and Stiliyan Petrov on the sidelines but he was always struggling to win over the fans having managed arch-rivals Birmingham City. He was the unpopular choice after the club failed to lure Roberto Martνnez from Wigan Athletic, who have finished a place and five points above Villa
 
While the former Scotland, Rangers and Hibernian manager led Birmingham to the Carling Cup last season, he also presided over the slump that cost them their top-flight status and Villa have finished with 38 points, one point fewer than Birmingham achieved last year.
 
Despite such a season, McLeish insisted after the final-day defeat at Norwich that he was still the right man for the job and was aiming to rebuild the side. “That was an unacceptable performance in Aston Villa colours and I have to change that, and there will be change,” he said.
 
“I cannot accept that because I have been used to winning trophies all of my career as a player and a manager. I might not have had the riches to spend of other managers, but believe I can turn Aston Villa around by adding quality and players who are going to work their socks off.”
 
He added: “I am not a quitter. I can totally understand the fans frustrations and I am the man who carries the can for the performances, but it is also frustrating for me to watch that kind of stuff.
 
“I am the guy who is responsible for results, and am the one who is going to get hammered. I accept that, and it happens to any manager.
 
“It is up to me to turn the opinion around and will do my best. I have to get a team in that Villa jersey with a winning mentality and I can change the fans opinion.”
 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
I'd prefer Martinez over Lambert but I'd not be fussed either way aslong as it meant he was off.

If he goes today then credit to Randy and Faulkner for getting it done ASAP.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Christ I got diagnosed with a heart murmur last week and I've got an ECG for  it tomorrow. This can't be good for it!

Similar here - I've been diagnosed with high blood pressure. I've just had to take some extra beta-blockers!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Christ I got diagnosed with a heart murmur last week and I've got an ECG for  it tomorrow. This can't be good for it!
hahahahaahahahahahah that's funny!!!

Yeah well it better be sorted before I have the test tomorrow!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 11:10:35 AM
I will be renewing my season ticket as soon as this is all confirmed and official.

Agreed
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 11:13:06 AM
I've been walking up and down the office with my bollocks hanging out of my trousers singing 'Tiptoe through the Tulips' - what a great day*.



*subject to confirmation
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: MattW on May 14, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Hopeful the announcement of his departure contains traces of apology for the poor appointment, and an assertion of still flickering ambition. In his first press conference McLeish mentioned restricted budgets and making-do. His appointment typified a terrible strategy from the executive, which almost sent us down. Time to begin righting that is now. There's no point just appointing someone else to just get by.

Indeed Matt.  The board need to look at the last two years, and ask themselves where it all went wrong.

I don't blame them for the Houiller appointment. It just did'nt work out but it was'nt as stupid as hiring McLeish.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:16:01 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: MattW on May 14, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Hopeful the announcement of his departure contains traces of apology for the poor appointment, and an assertion of still flickering ambition. In his first press conference McLeish mentioned restricted budgets and making-do. His appointment typified a terrible strategy from the executive, which almost sent us down. Time to begin righting that is now. There's no point just appointing someone else to just get by.

Indeed Matt.  The board need to look at the last two years, and ask themselves where it all went wrong.

I don't blame them for the Houiller appointment. It just did'nt work out but it was'nt as stupid as hiring McLeish.

It was less of a mistake, and there was the mitigating factor of the timing of O'Neill's walk out, but appointing somebody in semi-retirement was never going to work.  We need someone who's going to be here for a few years and build something.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Nev on May 14, 2012, 11:17:00 AM
It looks like the clock was set ticking from last July is about to stop. What an utter waste of 12 fucking months.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:17:39 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: MattW on May 14, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
Hopeful the announcement of his departure contains traces of apology for the poor appointment, and an assertion of still flickering ambition. In his first press conference McLeish mentioned restricted budgets and making-do. His appointment typified a terrible strategy from the executive, which almost sent us down. Time to begin righting that is now. There's no point just appointing someone else to just get by.

Indeed Matt.  The board need to look at the last two years, and ask themselves where it all went wrong.

I don't blame them for the Houiller appointment. It just did'nt work out but it was'nt as stupid as hiring McLeish.
Long term it was a good appointment but his age/health was a factor,and the board should of known that.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Steve kirk on May 14, 2012, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:10:43 AM
Christ I got diagnosed with a heart murmur last week and I've got an ECG for  it tomorrow. This can't be good for it!

Similar here - I've been diagnosed with high blood pressure. I've just had to take some extra beta-blockers!
I am already on blood pressure tablets but may need to pop an extra one today at this rate.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mellin on May 14, 2012, 11:18:48 AM
This could be a great day.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 11:20:26 AM


@thegoalzone: Lots of Media reports that AM has left Villa Park. am waiting for call back from PF to confirm
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
Dan Pallett ‏ @Dan_Pallett
We've spoken to #villa and #mcleish has NOT been sacked. They did confirm a meeting taking place today with owner randy Lerner #avfc
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
I shall be renewing ASAP if he's gone.

I would have been regardless, but I was going to leave as late as possible under McLeish.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 11:23:35 AM
Sports presenter with BBC Midlands Today.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 11:23:41 AM
Quote from: Nev on May 14, 2012, 11:17:00 AM
It looks like the clock was set ticking from last July is about to stop. What an utter waste of 12 fucking months.

With my rosiest of tinted specs on I guess we ought to remember that realistically we weren’t going to achieve much this season having sold our two best players. Having slashed the budgets so quickly and deeply whilst avoiding a calamitous relegation, we ought to be relieved that it.
However, I will never ever understand the appointment, it remains an utter mystery to me, but as long as the compensation isn’t ridiculous and the club actually use some commonbloodysense in the next appointment, we can look forward.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 11:23:52 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?

A Bluenose probably
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
And very good at carrying things on the back of a truck.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2012, 11:24:55 AM
Reading that article from the Times, I'm more than sure McLeish's agent helped draft the copy. Damage limitation and all that jazz.

He's gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
peter lansley ‏ @LansleyTimes
McLeish saying his goodbyes to the #avfc players. In discussing compo. Announcement likely by lunchtime.

Party time.

just woke up , struggled to bet on him getting sacked last night when Dave mentioned something on his post.

Please make my week ..     please make my summer .
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands

Let's get Damon on the case
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands

Let's get Damon on the case
Nah we need a pro.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 11:21:11 AM
Dan Pallett ‏ @Dan_Pallett
We've spoken to #villa and #mcleish has NOT been sacked. They did confirm a meeting taking place today with owner randy Lerner #avfc

Ok, not sacked, call it mutual consent. He's going for sure, said goodbyes to players prior to the meeting, according to The Times journalist.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 11:27:22 AM
Goal zone tweeting that Randy Lerner is in meeting.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands

Let's get Damon on the case

He's busy at the leveson enquiry.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.


BBC Midlands.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 14, 2012, 10:53:33 AM
Lambert 5/2
Martinez 11/4
MacDonald 8/1
Rodgers 10/1

12/1 Bar - although I think its more likely to be odds on myself.

Ring the fucking bells.

Im going for 12/1 bar . That's where I will be going later If hes sacked...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
Alan Nixon (respected ITK and reporter) has tweeted:

First managerial change coming.... Aston Villa.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
The Mirror tweeting he's not been sacked but give it a few more minutes.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 11:31:54 AM
I know it's stating the obvious, but I doubt there's a journo on the patch taking today off.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands

Let's get Damon on the case
Nah we need a pro.

OK then, send in Mr Woodhall
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.


Id love it If he holds Paul Faulkner up and kidnaps him , saying he wont let him go unless he gets to make love to emile Heskey before he goes.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 11:32:58 AM
I want confirmation.
I have radio tuned into WM and am googling `Alex McLeish sacked` with a search tool saying to show only the last one hour.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/14/alex-mcleish-sacked-by-aston-villa_n_1513964.html

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/05/14/aston-villa-sack-manager-alex-mcleish/

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:34:26 AM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
Who is Dan Pallett?
Sky sports I think.
No - BBC Midlands

Let's get Damon on the case

He's busy at the leveson enquiry.
This is much more important.It would great to see him outside VP trying to keep a straight face.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
I'd make love to Emile Heskey if it meant AM leaving...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ready for the excuses of, the board didn't back me, I'm ex Blues so they didn't like me bla bla bla
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.


Id love it If he holds Paul Faulkner up and kidnaps him , saying he wont let him go unless he gets to make love to emile Heskey before he goes.

I have visions of McLeish thrusting a big lump of cheese in Faulkner's face before running across the car park with it.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 11:36:32 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 11:34:58 AM
I'd make love to Emile Heskey if it meant AM leaving...

Can we use this legally?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
Nothing on bbc or sky yet ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 11:37:17 AM
Pat Murphy on 5Live has just said that Faulkner is having talks today with McLeish and it doesn't look good for him.
Faulkner flew out to the States last week to meet with RL. RL isn't in the country at the moment.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
This could be a fantastic end of season if this news becomes true. And Randy, if you are deciding to wield the axe, take a swipe to the left or right of you and swing it towards Faulkner just after you sliced up McLeish.

Then I want a combo that is the exact opposite of McLeish and Grant....Di Canio and Vialli ? Hoddle and Curbs ?

Someone who knows football has moved on, doesn't have any links with Ranger or Celtic, has a touch of charisma and plays the game without 7 defenders!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Barry Shaw on May 14, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
I've slept with Emile Heskey. It achieved nothing except for a sore arse and me having to chnge my phone number (He's very clingy)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:38:56 AM
I expect Bent, Gabby, Ireland & NZogbia will be excited about maybe having a manager come in who likes to attack!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 11:39:34 AM
Emile is in for a good night tonight then....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: Barry Shaw on May 14, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
I've slept with Emile Heskey. It achieved nothing except for a sore arse and me having to chnge my phone number (He's very clingy)

eh?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jim Shoes on May 14, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ready for the excuses of, the board didn't back me, I'm ex Blues so they didn't like me bla bla bla

Me too, can't wait the sooner the better hahaha.

Say what he likes his shite record will show what he's all about.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: not3bad on May 14, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 11:10:35 AM
I will be renewing my season ticket as soon as this is all confirmed and official.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: Barry Shaw on May 14, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
I've slept with Emile Heskey. It achieved nothing except for a sore arse and me having to chnge my phone number (He's very clingy)

I'm surprised he managed to hit the target
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:40:07 AM
Are we all drunk?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
WM is saying Lerner in US, talks are on @ Bodymoor now, club statement expected shortly (hour or two?).
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Sky are also reporting that Lerner flying in for talks with Faulkner tomorrow
Could Faulkner be getting his P45 too
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:41:49 AM
Would the Lerner & Faulkner talks not just be about appointing a new manager?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Sky are also reporting that Lerner flying in for talks with Faulkner tomorrow
Could Faulkner be getting his P45 too
He will be put on 'special projects'.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:40:07 AM
Are we all drunk?
I am I work nights.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Sky are also reporting that Lerner flying in for talks with Faulkner tomorrow
Could Faulkner be getting his P45 too

I hope not. He's a good businessman and needs to do what he does best, which is grow the business but steer clear of the football side.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: not3bad on May 14, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Jim Shoes on May 14, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ready for the excuses of, the board didn't back me, I'm ex Blues so they didn't like me bla bla bla

Me too, can't wait the sooner the better hahaha.

Say what he likes his shite record will show what he's all about.

When his book comes out, "I'm a Brilliant Manager Me and Whenever Anything Goes Wrong It's Always the Players at Fault and Never Me", I may have a wee glance at it.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
Tim Abraham is more reserved with his information..

Timothy Abraham ‏ @TimothyAbraham
Alex McLeish still locked in talks with #AVFC as things stand. Should be 100% clear in next couple of hours.

Don't like that.


Id love it If he holds Paul Faulkner up and kidnaps him , saying he wont let him go unless he gets to make love to emile Heskey before he goes.

I have visions of McLeish thrusting a big lump of cheese in Faulkner's face before running across the car park with it.

Smell my cheese you mother. I've got cheese
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Actually watching sky sports news for a change . Update on McLeish coming up next , not bothered about him , its the presenter in the white top . Cor blimey..............
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Our good friend Pat Murphy has just been on 5live saying there is a meeting going on.

Covering his tracks he said it has nothing to do with the Blues connection, it's all to do with results.  No shit.....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Glad we lost yesterday to be honest 'cos on the bright side it was another nail in McLeish's coffin!!

Waiting with baited breath for the news !!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:40:24 AM
Sky are also reporting that Lerner flying in for talks with Faulkner tomorrow
Could Faulkner be getting his P45 too
He will be put on 'special projects'.


yes going for a long weight and a left handed screwdriver  ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:40:07 AM
Are we all drunk?

yes since we heard he might be going.  special Brew for me ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: johncvilla88 on May 14, 2012, 11:46:46 AM
McCleish is saying by to the players right this second!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:46:49 AM
Yep, 5Live just waiting for the confirmation that McLeish has gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 11:47:02 AM
Murphy on again confirming that he is saying his goodbye's

Break out the celebrations
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:47:25 AM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Our good friend Pat Murphy has just been on 5live saying there is a meeting going on.

Covering his tracks he said it has nothing to do with the Blues connection, it's all to do with results.  No shit.....
More faces than Big Ben that one.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 14, 2012, 11:47:38 AM
Pat Murphy on 5Live..........HE'S GONE. ;D
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jim Shoes on May 14, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 14, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: Jim Shoes on May 14, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ready for the excuses of, the board didn't back me, I'm ex Blues so they didn't like me bla bla bla

Me too, can't wait the sooner the better hahaha.

Say what he likes his shite record will show what he's all about.

When his book comes out, "I'm a Brilliant Manager Me and Whenever Anything Goes Wrong It's Always the Players at Fault and Never Me", I may have a wee glance at it.

If I see it I will just do the "wee" bit and piss on it!

Come on Villa make it official resign this tosser to history.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 11:48:02 AM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
Our good friend Pat Murphy has just been on 5live saying there is a meeting going on.

Covering his tracks he said it has nothing to do with the Blues connection, it's all to do with results.  No shit.....

oh come on it only took him 8 months to  figure it out
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
SSN as it stands McLeish and PF, not Lerner,at BH.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
sky say

McLeish in the boardroom with PF. cOLLEY SAYS HE WILL BE GONE MUTUAT
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 11:49:06 AM
who is up for a power wank when confirmed ?  ;D
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
Can someone just confirm it so I can get back to work??
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
He will be gone this afternoon 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:49:32 AM
Mutual consent say Sky
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: Barry Shaw on May 14, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
I've slept with Emile Heskey. It achieved nothing except for a sore arse and me having to chnge my phone number (He's very clingy)


He scored!???
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
sky say

McLeish in the boardroom with PF. cOLLEY SAYS HE WILL BE GONE MUTUAT

sorry bout that . got excited when Colley said he would be gone this afternoon , mutual consent !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
Tom Ross tweeted that They are in the meeting now but Lerner is not there. 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 11:52:35 AM
Come on.  I need the official confirmation.........
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
Anyone else up for a chorus of "Yay, yay, the ginge is dead"?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
Tom Ross tweeted that They are in the meeting now but Lerner is not there. 
We all know that Ron toss. Keep your bluenose out of it.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
sky say

McLeish in the boardroom with PF. cOLLEY SAYS HE WILL BE GONE MUTUAT

sorry bout that . got excited when Colley said he would be gone this afternoon , mutual consent !!!!!!!

Were you....ahem....typing with just one hand  ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 11:53:09 AM
Mutual consent ?Why are we always so nice He deserves the sack
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
Trevor Francis is available isn't he?

Seriously though, Paul Lambert or Bredan Rogers please
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jim Shoes on May 14, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:50:31 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
sky say

McLeish in the boardroom with PF. cOLLEY SAYS HE WILL BE GONE MUTUAT

sorry bout that . got excited when Colley said he would be gone this afternoon , mutual consent !!!!!!!

lol premature ejac...........writing, we all understand JP :-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
I'm gonna get the sack if I dont start doing some work somepoint today!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 11:54:24 AM
Mutual consent is just the PC version of the sack.

It's like saying thickos have 'learning difficulties'!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 11:54:24 AM
Mutual consent is just the PC version of the sack.

Tax reasons
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
Bilic has joined locomotive Moscow so he's out of the running
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
Bilic has joined locomotive Moscow so he's out of the running
Good.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
I want a 3 man team of DiCanio, Vialli and Hoddle...all doing stuff
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
Just to recap, of the 'reliable sources', we've got The Times and 5Live saying he's gone??
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 11:54:18 AM
I'm gonna get the sack if I dont start doing some work somepoint today!

Ive called off my meeting
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
I want a 3 man team of DiCanio, Vialli and Hoddle...all doing stuff
The drugs don't work.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Apyadg on May 14, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
I've got a horrible feeling he's going to come out grinning saying they've agreed on their transfer targets.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
that was a bad joke, right?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: midian on May 14, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
Pete Colley now saying on his twitter still in meeting but expected he will leave by mutual consent,if it happens could be a drunken night out for me!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
Just to recap, of the 'reliable sources', we've got The Times and 5Live saying he's gone??

Yep
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
If there is an all smiles press conference after this with statements such as 'Difficult season; new faces; has our full support etc etc etc,' I'm going to eat my shoes.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 14, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
I've got a horrible feeling he's going to come out grinning saying they've agreed on their transfer targets.
don't be daft!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: German James on May 14, 2012, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 14, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
I've got a horrible feeling he's going to come out grinning saying they've agreed on their transfer targets.
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
that was a bad joke, right?

Yes, please stop saying things like that!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
I want a 3 man team of DiCanio, Vialli and Hoddle...all doing stuff

Di Matteo and Zola or Wilkins would do me if going for the cheaper option.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Apyadg on May 14, 2012, 12:09:58 PM
What can I say, he's McLeeched all hope and optimism from me. I'll believe it when he's gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:10:55 PM
the site is slowing up ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
BBC reporter Pat Murphy has told BBC Radio 5 live that Alex McLeish has said his farewells to the Aston Villa players at the club's training ground, Bodymoor Heath.


Please let this be true.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Tony Boucher on May 14, 2012, 12:12:22 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
BBC reporter Pat Murphy has told BBC Radio 5 live that Alex McLeish has said his farewells to the Aston Villa players at the club's training ground, Bodymoor Heath.


Please let this be true.

Have a nice holiday lads - see you in June!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Fergal on May 14, 2012, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
BBC reporter Pat Murphy has told BBC Radio 5 live that Alex McLeish has said his farewells to the Aston Villa players at the club's training ground, Bodymoor Heath.


Please let this be true.
I hope it's true.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
too many people are now reporting him as gone for it not to be true I think, I've seen 4-5 different reports that he's leaving any minute now.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
It's now lunchtime.  I'm actually eating my lunch at my desk in case I miss anything.

Why hasn't he gone yet??????
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DeKuip on May 14, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
BBC reporter Pat Murphy has told BBC Radio 5 live that Alex McLeish has said his farewells to the Aston Villa players at the club's training ground, Bodymoor Heath.


Please let this be true.
Maybe it's all the players who are leaving.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2012, 12:13:24 PM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 14, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on May 14, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
I want a 3 man team of DiCanio, Vialli and Hoddle...all doing stuff
The drugs don't work.
They just make you worse
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Why is the meeting taking so long
How long can it take to say "you're fired"
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:10:58 PM
BBC reporter Pat Murphy has told BBC Radio 5 live that Alex McLeish has said his farewells to the Aston Villa players at the club's training ground, Bodymoor Heath.


Please let this be true.

Probably telling them he could have been Villa's greatest ever manager and it's all their fault he's got the tin tack!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: martin@ardenley on May 14, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:10:55 PM
the site is slowing up ;)

Stop refreshing the page then! ;-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: Apyadg on May 14, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
I've got a horrible feeling he's going to come out grinning saying they've agreed on their transfer targets.
don't be daft!

I bet karl Henry and Lenny Henry are gutted ....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 12:14:14 PM
Let's hope this is an end to the whole sorry chapter.

Martinez & Lambert both 5/2
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 12:14:26 PM
You know things are moving in the right direction when this 'Future of McLeish' thread is slowly but surely becoming a carbon copy of the 'Who do you want for the new manager' thread.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
"Within the hour" is the latest semi-official story.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:16:09 PM
Get into him, fuck him off. Come you Villa boys!!

Ooops, thought this was a match thread for a minute.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Why is the meeting taking so long
How long can it take to say "you're fired"

mcLeish can use a lot of time saying but but but but but but
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:17:57 PM
I wonder if Leeg is actually getting any teaching done today ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Why is the meeting taking so long
How long can it take to say "you're fired"

I would guess that the ghost of O'Neill looms large and they have to do every single thing right to prevent another tribunal in two years time.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
#villa say nothing decided 'he may be back' we've been told #avfc #mcleish

From Dan Pallett's twitter
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: martin@ardenley on May 14, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:10:55 PM
the site is slowing up ;)

Stop refreshing the page then! ;-)

I meant Red Tube  Martin ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
#villa say nothing decided 'he may be back' we've been told #avfc #mcleish

From Dan Pallett's twitter
What the fuck does that mean ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2012, 12:20:24 PM
Nowit's actually worth talking about for me I'd go for Villas-boas with a director of football supporting him (i'd love someone like Klinsmann in that role but I don't think we stand a chance with him now).

I'd then want us to commit to a 3 year plan with him to get the kids through and supplement them with good footballers as seniors rather than the pinball cloggers we have at the minute.  It might mean a couple of seasons where things are difficult but hopefully fans will accept that now so long as we look like we're trying t develop a style and mentality to make us competitive against everyone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
A few journo's now tweeting that he has left Bodymoor heath.......
the plot thickens.  Just a matter of time before we can all celebrate!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
McLeish has left the training ground
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
I wish Dan Pallett would piss off, he's spoiling my lunch!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
Why is the meeting taking so long
How long can it take to say "you're fired"

mcLeish can use a lot of time saying but but but but but but


he's probably got 7 defenders keeping the question out, easy though just bang it in from the corner
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
McLeish has left the training ground

Did he have a cardboard box in his hands?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
McLeish has left the training ground

why does he ever go to a training ground , looking at our performances most of the season , does he know what one is ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 12:23:53 PM
get on with it ffs - I can't stand the wait
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 12:24:00 PM
Where's Glenn Roeder I wonder?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Merv on May 14, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
He's left the training ground, though it is lunchtime...

These tweets from Dan Pallet are strange, he seems to be the one at odds with everyone else's info.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: andyh on May 14, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
#villa say nothing decided 'he may be back' we've been told #avfc #mcleish

From Dan Pallett's twitter
What the fuck does that mean ?

His cardboard box is not big enough to hold all his trophies. He needs to pop to Pickfords to hire a van.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
SSN. Left BH but remains manager at the moment
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
I wish Dan Pallett would piss off, he's spoiling my lunch!

I wish a fork lift would take him away .
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
SSN saying he's left but is still manager WTF is going on
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
What a total waste of 12 months though.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:25:44 PM
Doing WM now as a definite gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 12:25:49 PM
From my earlier mentioned source; "Just spoke to peter grant and he said take care, god bless. So yeah they have deffo gone"
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
SSN. Left BH but remains manager at the moment

Only Villa can tease me like this!!!!! Arrrgh!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 12:26:22 PM
The twat at Sky just said 'he's left the club' then went on to say ' driven away, but he's still manager at this moment', what a tosser, I was out of my chair thumping the air for a second before he re-addressed his comments!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
I remember posting a comment somewhere in this topic about a twitter account known as AGENT_ITK who said Mcleish will be sacked after the Norwich game last week and it looks like it is coming true.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 14, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
bbc saying he's close to exit....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 12:26:46 PM
We can'e even sack anyone properly
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: arnie66 on May 14, 2012, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
SSN. Left BH but remains manager at the moment


Making us suffer as long as possible.........please just go now
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
#villa say nothing decided 'he may be back' we've been told #avfc #mcleish

From Dan Pallett's twitter

What, back after lunch? Back in charge next season?   

Why is this Pallett bloke the only one suggesting he might not be going?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:24:21 PM
SSN. Left BH but remains manager at the moment

Only Villa can tease me like this!!!!! Arrrgh!

yes
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Woodhall on WM.


Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:28:01 PM
Ive heard he going and thats from a coach down Villa I know
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 12:28:17 PM
Martinez now 2/1

Lambert 11/4
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Reuben on May 14, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Hasn't Bannan tweeted anything on the matter?  I'd expect the news to come from him
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
He's gone - can't be anything other, now that the media are saying waht thy're saying. YIIPPPPPEEEEEE!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Meeting finished.   PF has backed AM with a £3m war chest for next season. 


Only kidding.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Woodhall on WM.




Mr Woodhall to you.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
It's funny that a day after the season ended its gonna be the best day of the season today.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Meeting finished.   PF has backed AM with a £3m war chest for next season. 


Only kidding.

I think PF has told him 'you can only stay if you fund the transfers from your own wages'.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Meeting finished.   PF has backed AM with a £3m war chest for next season. 


Only kidding.


and Heskey to be kept on for another season
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Woodhall on WM.




Mr Woodhall to you.

Apologies Sir. No flirting with Jo either..... #dissapointed
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: A|C on May 14, 2012, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
I remember posting a comment somewhere in this topic about a twitter account known as AGENT_ITK who said Mcleish will be sacked after the Norwich game last week and it looks like it is coming true.
The AGENT_ITK twitter is saying he has gone now.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 14, 2012, 12:33:01 PM
For this relief, much thanks
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Talksport seem to think today . but we probably no more.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 14, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Hasn't Bannan tweeted anything on the matter?  I'd expect the news to come from him

Nothing from Barton either
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 12:35:04 PM
God I really want official confirmation.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
On days like this, I'm glad that my office PC runs dual-monitors
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Woodhall on WM.




Mr Woodhall to you.

Apologies Sir. No flirting with Jo either..... #dissapointed


Mr is fine Ozz , sir is a bit to much ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will official confirmation come before or after this thread hits 500 pages ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will official confirmation come before or after this thread hits 500 pages ?

I'm on page 487, so i'm going for after.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:27:31 PM
Woodhall on WM.




Mr Woodhall to you.

Apologies Sir. No flirting with Jo either..... #dissapointed


Mr is fine Ozz , sir is a bit to much ;)

My original was right.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: moetvillain on May 14, 2012, 12:40:05 PM
 He has gone......to Liverpool
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will official confirmation come before or after this thread hits 500 pages ?

I'm on page 487, so i'm going for after.

I'm only on page 146 so sincerely hope it's before
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: charlie on May 14, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Thought Mr Woodhall sounded very good. Even Jo Malin seemed to know what she was talking about. Pity Mac twerp never did.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:48:19 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will official confirmation come before or after this thread hits 500 pages ?

I'm on page 487, so i'm going for after.

I'm only on page 146 so sincerely hope it's before

Well wait until you get to page 482, there's some awesome stuff there.

I'd skip page 375 though, it's all about a woman who is obsessed with wine ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 12:41:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:36:02 PM
Will official confirmation come before or after this thread hits 500 pages ?

I'm on page 487, so i'm going for after.

I'm only on page 146 so sincerely hope it's before

I am too - not the only one to have more posts in a page then... easier to read on a mobile.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
I have got to pick up a shipment from Coventry at 2.30 .   I will miss the confirmation , I just know it .
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
BBC news
"Alex McLeish's 11-month reign as Aston Villa manager looks to be over.

The 53-year-old former Scotland manager said his farewell to the Villa players on Monday morning.
The club have yet to make an official announcement about McLeish"

 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dl9 on May 14, 2012, 12:58:34 PM


This is like waiting for your exam results, your health check results and every other bloody result all rolled into one!!

COME ON & TELL US THE NEWS WE WANT TO HEAR!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Boz on May 14, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 14, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
BBC news
"Alex McLeish's 11-month reign as Aston Villa manager looks to be over.

The 53-year-old former Scotland manager said his farewell to the Villa players on Monday morning.
The club have yet to make an official announcement about McLeish"

Pat Murphy has just been on 5Live and said although not officially announced yet, he's said goodbye to the players, just the compensation to be sorted out....how much he's got to pay Villa  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 14, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 14, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
BBC news
"Alex McLeish's 11-month reign as Aston Villa manager looks to be over.

The 53-year-old former Scotland manager said his farewell to the Villa players on Monday morning.
The club have yet to make an official announcement about McLeish"

 


Maybe all the players are leaving and he is staying?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 01:00:53 PM
Maybe they're getting Lambert in as manager and then doing one big announcement to save some cash.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
Any fucking chance? The longer this goes on the more nervous I get
What if its just a general end of season meeting?

More nervous than when I heard my GCSE results!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
It's getting worse than waiting for Thatcher to croak it!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
It's getting worse than waiting for Thatcher to croak it!

Wow, if that happened today....................................
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
It's all gone quiet over there.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
Chill bill, we'd have all settled for June sometime, so talk of the sack half a day after the season finshed is progress, just hang on in there....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 01:07:03 PM
From The S*n..........

Quote
ALEX McLEISH will sack Aston Villa following their dismal Premier League season.
  ???
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 01:07:14 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
It's getting worse than waiting for Thatcher to croak it!

Wow, if that happened today....................................


I now feel very wrong that I laughed out loud then.....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
I'm getting nervous.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 01:07:42 PM
Thatcher & McLeish go in the same day?  H&V would single handedly break the whole internet!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: The Adventurer on May 14, 2012, 01:08:00 PM
Please,please........feckin please!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 01:06:35 PM
Chill bill, we'd have all settled for June sometime, so talk of the sack half a day after the season finshed is progress, just hang on in there....


Emile is ready for you....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 01:08:18 PM
Joyous news. It will put an end to one of the most painful seasons many of us can remember. Not just from a results standpoint, but the fact that we were genuinely boring to the point of near death experiences. I know I wanted him to succeed. He did everything to prove the people who doubted him all along right. That's all on him, and the fact that in recent weeks he's blamed everyone including the club cat, tea lady and mascot for his failings is disgraceful.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 14, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Hasn't Bannan tweeted anything on the matter?  I'd expect the news to come from him

Nothing from Barton either

And Stephen Fry is just wittering on about Hugh Laurie so that's no help either.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:07:42 PM
Thatcher & McLeish go in the same day?  H&V would single handedly break the whole internet!

Or you could just type Google into Google.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:07:42 PM
Thatcher & McLeish go in the same day?  H&V would single handedly break the whole internet!

I do love happy endings.

Byeeeeeeeee !

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3982/article10402990221d1550d.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/article10402990221d1550d.jpg/)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: midian on May 14, 2012, 01:09:17 PM
Ian Abrahams on talksh!te says hes gone but no confirmation just hurry up do us all a favour!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bertlambshank on May 14, 2012, 01:09:36 PM
Whets DCF with his wind up?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 01:11:08 PM
@IanTaylor7: Sounds like that's it then. #avfc
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
I'm getting nervous.

I'm as nervous as John Travolta's masseur on the vinegar stroke.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 14, 2012, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Reuben on May 14, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Hasn't Bannan tweeted anything on the matter?  I'd expect the news to come from him

Nothing from Barton either

And Stephen Fry is just wittering on about Hugh Laurie so that's no help either.
'
has that cock end Rio Ferdinand tweeted anything? He seems to poke his nose in to everything. Won't be official until I hear it from him.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:12:59 PM
TalkSport are now saying that he has gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: richardhubbard on May 14, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
Come on Faulkner prove your a CEO with some balls
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
I just hope that when he goes, we (the fans) keep our replacement targets a bit more realistic than the last couple of times. Some of the suggestions were ridiculous. Ancelotti or Hiddink indeed. It got very embarrassing at times.



Anyway, my vote is for Mourinho with AVB as his assistant. Maybe Guardiola as the tea boy.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 14, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: nigel on May 14, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
BBC news
"Alex McLeish's 11-month reign as Aston Villa manager looks to be over.

The 53-year-old former Scotland manager said his farewell to the Villa players on Monday morning.
The club have yet to make an official announcement about McLeish"

 


Maybe all the players are leaving and he is staying?
Never thought of that  ;D
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simon Ward on May 14, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Ian Taylor ‏ @IanTaylor7

Sounds like that's it then. #avfc
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 01:14:45 PM
can i just say,

 i tol..........    oh cant be bothered
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 01:15:08 PM
Excellent. I agree though, I think Lambert, Martinez, maybe Poyet, Di Matteo are realistic, AVB etc not so.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
SSN saying that McLeish has left the meeting, just waiting on the club to make an announcement on what's happened.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2012, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
It's getting worse than waiting for Thatcher to croak it!
:-X
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2012, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 01:08:18 PM
Joyous news. It will put an end to one of the most painful seasons many of us can remember. Not just from a results standpoint, but the fact that we were genuinely boring to the point of near death experiences. I know I wanted him to succeed. He did everything to prove the people who doubted him all along right. That's all on him, and the fact that in recent weeks he's blamed everyone including the club cat, tea lady and mascot for his failings is disgraceful.

It will, but it won't hide the fact that he should have never been given the job in the first place and that the heirarchy at Villa Park made a shocking appointment.  It is a relief, but they need to get it right this time.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 14, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
I'm keeping an eye out for Shaun Teale's Facebook comments, he doesn't hold back & he despises McLeish.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.

They were clearly planning on keeping him then.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simon Ward on May 14, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Ian Abrahams ‏ @Moose_talkSPORT

Alex McLeish has left Aston Villa
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.
We'd just beaten Fulham and were 11 points clear of the drop when that happened It went severely downhill from then
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.

I think the Holman transfer was agreed long before any decision on sacking McLeish, I'd bet it was thought he would stay for a few more years.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: midian on May 14, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
Alex McLeish trending 7th in the UK  must be every Villa fan waiting for the confirmation lol
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
I have an appointment at the docs in just over an hour. I bet the feckers announce it then.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: BILL DE VALL on May 14, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
please let it be true!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 01:23:34 PM
Barry Fry has been seen dropping off his best suit at the dry cleaners.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.

That was before the Bolton game as I think they were intending to keep him on. I think that was the game changer, especially the reaction in the last 10 minutes. No doubt a likely 30% drop in season ticket sales probably helped focus some minds.

What a completely stupid appointment. Please hire someone at board level who knows something about football
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
If this all goes through today, I'd actually like to praise the board a bit. Yes they made a collosal fuck up in hiring him in the first place, and wasted a season. However they will have acted very quicky and got rid to give us as much time as possible. They need to learn now though and make the correct appointment this summer.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2012, 01:32:39 PM
£9m well spent. Austerity my arse.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 01:20:20 PM
I have an appointment at the docs in just over an hour. I bet the feckers announce it then.

Blood pressure from this season mate ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: A|C on May 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
If he's gone, which is sounds like it is.  Why did they (Lerner and Faulkner) allow him to get the bloke from Holland?  Seems a little weird to me.

We could be copying the AC Milan/Inter model, where the players are signed by the owners and the manager has to use what he's given.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Cuz on May 14, 2012, 01:34:18 PM
Coommme onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
BBC news reporting he said goodbye to players at BH
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2012, 01:38:25 PM
Is it time? This site has slowed down and even the BBC have reported he has nearly gone?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
SSN saying that McLeish has left the meeting, just waiting on the club to make an announcement on what's happened.

has our mate eastie reported in yet? Or has he blacked out with all of the excitement?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
If this all goes through today, I'd actually like to praise the board a bit. Yes they made a collosal fuck up in hiring him in the first place, and wasted a season. However they will have acted very quicky and got rid to give us as much time as possible. They need to learn now though and make the correct appointment this summer.

Agreed. This is the only they can make up for appointing him in the first place
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
SSN saying that McLeish has left the meeting, just waiting on the club to make an announcement on what's happened.

has our mate eastie reported in yet? Or has he blacked out with all of the excitement?


Hes seen the bird on the sky sports news and having a quick one ...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 01:40:45 PM
Patience. He's a gonad.
I mean a goner.

Breathe a sigh of relief and begin speculating on who's next.
Or Live at Leeds or whatever.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 14, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
BBC news reporting he said goodbye to players at BH

Brierley Hill?  Typical to take them out shopping after such an abject display as yesterday.

Rest assured the drive home tonight will be nice.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'Rexy on May 14, 2012, 01:41:04 PM
Times, Torygraph, BBC, Mail, all saying he has left. I think it might finally be true.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 14, 2012, 01:41:13 PM
I have this image of McLeish saying goodbye to all the playing & coaching staff, turning around walking out with a door closing behind him then an almighty eruption of joy & delight from within the room.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
SSN saying that McLeish has left the meeting, just waiting on the club to make an announcement on what's happened.

has our mate eastie reported in yet? Or has he blacked out with all of the excitement?


Hes seen the bird on the sky sports news and having a quick one ...
[/quote


The one earlier deserved more than a quick one... stunning.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 01:43:02 PM
Tick Tock Tick Tock................

(http://thisisturbine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/clock-close-up-ticking.jpg)



Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:45:09 PM
They better not hire Peter Grant to replace him.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: berob on May 14, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
i had a heart attack ten days ago and a stent fitted,this is a good test for my new ticker.why don,t they just say the git has gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villasjf on May 14, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
Randy is still in America apparently flying in tomorrow Faulker next to go?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Which radio stations you listening too for the news?  Unfortunately on Talksport!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2012, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
SSN saying that McLeish has left the meeting, just waiting on the club to make an announcement on what's happened.

has our mate eastie reported in yet? Or has he blacked out with all of the excitement?
.                                                                                                 

I think he's hunting round the house for his SSN badge to pin on his suit.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 01:48:02 PM
I'm guessing he's been fired but they are giving him time to break the news to friends & family and an announcement will be made Public about 4ish
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: MONCABA on May 14, 2012, 01:50:39 PM
This is indeed a joyous day to behold.
They should ring out the bell's at B6.

Ding Dong the ginger one has gone.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Got a meeting for 2 hours now.  Gonna be fidgetting the whole time!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
I'd be surprised if he's got any friends left  ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: berob on May 14, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
i had a heart attack ten days ago and a stent fitted,this is a good test for my new ticker.why don,t they just say the git has gone.

Crickey berob, be careful.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE SUSPENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
I still cant believe he WAS ever manager of this great club.


Now lets move forward

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
As others have said, I get the feeling they may be announcing a new appointment in the same press conference, which is why this is taking such a bloody long time.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: carl9368 on May 14, 2012, 01:56:04 PM
Maybe they are getting the ticket office ready for the sudden uptake in season tickets  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:56:46 PM
Just noticed the Arsenal goals .

that baggies goalkeeper has taken a bung.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 01:57:52 PM
I very much doubt we'll be appointing a new manager at the same time as Mcleish leaving.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
It was the strangest appointment during my lifetime. I still think Randy had gone to a Manchester Acid House Party that weekend with Alex Furguson and come home with his master plan.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TheEgo on May 14, 2012, 01:59:18 PM
Relax guys it will happen, its not even 2pm yet. I would have took this yesterday, thought it would have been dragged out until mid week. Pretty confident we will know by 4pm
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 01:57:52 PM
I very much doubt we'll be appointing a new manager at the same time as Mcleish leaving.

Yeah not a chance, because it wouldn't him overly popular in his profession.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:00:18 PM
Well being as McLeish has left the meeting half an hour ago I can't figure out what's taking so long.

...maybe there's no announcement to make?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Shut up chipsticks ;-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 14, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
As others have said, I get the feeling they may be announcing a new appointment in the same press conference, which is why this is taking such a bloody long time.

Ian Dowie is ready and waiting.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:00:18 PM
Well being as McLeish has left the meeting half an hour ago I can't figure out what's taking so long.

...maybe there's no announcement to make?

I's to dot, T's to cross, lawyers pockets to be lined.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
As others have said, I get the feeling they may be announcing a new appointment in the same press conference, which is why this is taking such a bloody long time.

I admire your optimism, but absolutely no chance. It'll be compensation and detail related. What the official announcement is (sacked or mutual consent).
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
Tom Ross has tweeted, he understands he's gone & that they are sorting contract details.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 02:04:34 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 01:55:38 PM
As others have said, I get the feeling they may be announcing a new appointment in the same press conference, which is why this is taking such a bloody long time.

Be very surprised- it is considered disrespectful to the incumbent. And the other Club would need to make announcements etc.

It is all probably with lawyers ( if no discussion prior to today led to dismissal meeting/agreement) for fundamentals. And, yes he will be allowed time to write a release, have it agreed by Villa and advise Family etc. I give it until about four your time.
Legal dots and crosses can be done tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 02:04:38 PM
Well when this goes through, it'll blow up the theory that his remit was to avoid relegation.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:04:48 PM
I hope you're all right, I imagine there will be a butt-load of paperwork to sort out.

Where's Legion and his orange dot when you need it?!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
I still cant believe he WAS ever manager of this great club.


Now lets move forward

Perhaps we could have a 1984 type memory hole to wipe this period out of the clubs history. 

Then again, the club would never learn from it's mistakes.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Tony Boucher on May 14, 2012, 02:05:59 PM
Aaargh, just saw the yellow ticker bursting into life, thought we were in and...... Gary Neville appointed to England coaching staff!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: placeforparks on May 14, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
BBC news reporting he said goodbye to players at BH

i imagine it was david brent-esque.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on May 14, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
BBC news reporting he said goodbye to players at BH

i imagine it was david brent-esque.

Maybe he played them a song ;)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 02:07:03 PM
Lambert and Martinez hold the power at their respective clubs so if we are after either of them it shouldn't be too long a process.

If we can get a manager in before the Euro's that'd be great.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Vanilla on May 14, 2012, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
I still cant believe he WAS ever manager of this great club.


Now lets move forward

Perhaps we could have a 1984 type memory hole to wipe this period out of the clubs history. 

Then again, the club would never learn from it's mistakes.

(http://images.hollywood.com/site/mib.jpg)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
Be interesting to see what words the club use in the press release
Don't suppose they will hold their hands up & say we totally made a complete fuck up of this appointment, apologies to all the suffering fans
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Any new appointment today and McLeish could sue us into orbit for constructive dismissal.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:08:35 PM
I think we may top Man City's celebrations at the Albert Hall tonight if this happens.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: bodkins14 on May 14, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
Any news been in the bog for the last 3 minutes?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Any new appointment today and McLeish could sue us into orbit for constructive dismissal.

Quite, not even our board is that naive.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 02:11:54 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on May 14, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
BBC news reporting he said goodbye to players at BH

i imagine it was david brent-esque.
Thank you for the image of McLeish doing the David Brent dance. 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 02:13:02 PM
Official announcement soon.   So says BBC Radio WM.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: lovejoy on May 14, 2012, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: bodkins14 on May 14, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
Any news been in the bog for the last 3 minutes?

None this end, you?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:16:51 PM
Quote from: bodkins14 on May 14, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
Any news been in the bog for the last 3 minutes?

I think there was a collective 'heart in mouth' moment when the SSN yellow breaking news ticker came out, but it turned out to be Gary Neville being given a job on the England coaching staff.

:(
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 02:17:09 PM
I think they should give him a pound for a point and a pound for the goals and a bonus for goals scored from corners for his payoff. 
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:17:48 PM
It'll be on the OS first.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: RunRickyRun on May 14, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
It's likely he has been offered a compromise agreement to stop him suing in the future for unfair dismissal. He'll have to talk with his lawyers first so I don't see this being announced for a day or so.

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: bodkins14 on May 14, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
Any news been in the bog for the last 3 minutes?

Just a onesie then?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Any new appointment today and McLeish could sue us into orbit for constructive dismissal.

How would that change the amount he was due?  He's on a fixed term contract that will need to be paid up.  Also as he's only been an employee for 11 months he can't claim unfair dismissal.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 14, 2012, 02:20:34 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Any new appointment today and McLeish could sue us into orbit for constructive dismissal.

Only if he's resigned, if he's been sacked the board can appoint who they like on the same day if they care to.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 02:20:58 PM
There's too much speculation in the press for them not to announce something today.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
Quote from: RunRickyRun on May 14, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
It's likely he has been offered a compromise agreement to stop him suing in the future for unfair dismissal. He'll have to talk with his lawyers first so I don't see this being announced for a day or so.



See my reply above.  He can't claim for unfair dismissal.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 02:21:43 PM
Or deny it!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 14, 2012, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:07:48 PM
Any new appointment today and McLeish could sue us into orbit for constructive dismissal.

Expect the new manager to be unveiled at 5pm then!

Only kidding.  We have to hope it's already sorted out behind the scenes and made to look like we interviewed him next Wednesday and appointing him on the Friday. 

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
I'm no employment law expert. but surely if he's sacked for being crap we can appoint who we want whenever we want? And the same if he resigned?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
No chance of naming his replacement today, because assuming that person is currently employed it would virtually confirm we'd tapped them up

Which ironically is exactly what we've done according to that ITK agent fella from twitter-land, who says we've already been in contact with Lambert.

It's one thing to do it but it's another to do it blatantly.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 14, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
F*** constructive dismissal, he needs to be fired for gross negligence!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Statement close say SSN
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
SSN have said "It is now certain that Alex McLeish will leave the club today"
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Statement close say SSN

I knew it! They'll announce it while i'm at the docs. Nailed on 100% FACT.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
SSN have said "It is now certain that Alex McLeish will leave the club today"

Halle-fucking-lujah!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
SSN have said "It is now certain that Alex McLeish will leave the club today"

Gosh, there's an exclusive and no mistake.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
I hope we have tapped someone up and got it ready!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
I hope we have tapped someone up and got it ready!

Rumour has it that its Lambert.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Statement close say SSN

I knew it! They'll announce it while i'm at the docs. Nailed on 100% FACT.

Hurry up and go then.  :-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 14, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
I'm no employment law expert. but surely if he's sacked for being crap we can appoint who we want whenever we want? And the same if he resigned?

If he resigns he can claim constructive dismissal, if he's sacked he can't, which is why he'll have a compromise agreement, meaning you're fired but it's a nice way to do it & you feel like you aren't quite so hard done by, but it also means he'll be gagged for ever & a day & if he even mentions anything about why he got fired he'll have to pay back everything, is the usual terms of such agreements.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 02:27:35 PM
Can you imagine anyone employing him again? Maybe unlucky with the Blues but then to take us from 6th to where we ended up is not down to luck

He is a piss poor manager by any standard
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
I'm no employment law expert. but surely if he's sacked for being crap we can appoint who we want whenever we want? And the same if he resigned?

As he's only been here for 11 months the only way he could claim unfair dismissal would be if he was pregnant or had blown the whislte on dodgy health and safety practises.  They could quite happily hand him his P45 and settlement cheque with Paul Lambert sat in he same room with no fear of anything legal coming back to bite them on the arse.  I hope they move quickly before the likes of Liverpool realise just how past it KKKenny is.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:27:47 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
I hope we have tapped someone up and got it ready!
I think we've tapped up Lambert
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 14, 2012, 02:27:54 PM
Apparently, the reason why it's taking so long is that McLeish is trying to draw his job rather than lose it.

(nicked off Twitter).
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 02:28:12 PM
yellow ticker on SSN now..'due to leave today'
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:28:39 PM
WM says news breaking. Imminent ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Statement close say SSN

I knew it! They'll announce it while i'm at the docs. Nailed on 100% FACT.

Hurry up and go then.  :-)

I'm leaving for it in 10 minutes. expect the announcement to be made at 3pm.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: ZoggyAlways on May 14, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
Statement close say SSN

I knew it! They'll announce it while i'm at the docs. Nailed on 100% FACT.

Hurry up and go then.  :-)

I'm leaving for it in 10 minutes. expect the announcement to be made at 3pm.

OK thanks - don't want you to miss the big moment, but I can't stand the wait.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Evening everybody!

So... has he gone yet? Just got back from work and am refusing to detach myself from the radio!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 02:25:42 PM
I hope we have tapped someone up and got it ready!

Damn right, enough of this honourable stuff it leaves us miles behind.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 02:33:56 PM
I'd have still sacked him if I was a billionaire. Just for the satisfaction of highlighting how terrible he has been.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Lee on May 14, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 02:27:35 PM
Can you imagine anyone employing him again? Maybe unlucky with the Blues but then to take us from 6th to where we ended up is not down to luck

He is a piss poor manager by any standard

He's finished, but I really hope that Jeremy Peace has a "Lerner" moment
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: pr_N'villa on May 14, 2012, 02:35:03 PM
Talksport said in the next hour!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Evening everybody!

So... has he gone yet? Just got back from work and am refusing to detach myself from the radio!


What a coincidence, i'm going to the docs because I can't detach myself from the radio. I'm just hoping they believe that I fell on it.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Just back from work- any news on potential new manager?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 02:36:48 PM
Yeah, I'm refusing to detach the radio from me - it's grown to be a part of me this morning.

So... which radio station will be the best to hear the axe fall? Radio 5 or Talksport? Or WM?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mike Jeffries on May 14, 2012, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
Evening everybody!

So... has he gone yet? Just got back from work and am refusing to detach myself from the radio!


What a coincidence, i'm going to the docs because I can't detach myself from the radio. I'm just hoping they believe that I fell on it.

Are you a DAB hand?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 02:23:39 PM
I'm no employment law expert. but surely if he's sacked for being crap we can appoint who we want whenever we want? And the same if he resigned?

As he's only been here for 11 months the only way he could claim unfair dismissal would be if he was pregnant or had blown the whislte on dodgy health and safety practises.  They could quite happily hand him his P45 and settlement cheque with Paul Lambert sat in he same room with no fear of anything legal coming back to bite them on the arse.  I hope they move quickly before the likes of Liverpool realise just how past it KKKenny is.

Unfair dismissal? Even a judge with no interest in football whatsoever could look at his record this season and claim that there is nothing unfair in dismissing him at all. In fact he might even come back and fine us for not firing him sooner.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 14, 2012, 02:38:16 PM
Quote from: eastie on May 14, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Just back from work- any news on potential new manager?

Where have you been for Christ's sake?  We've missed your minute by minute SSN up dates today.  Of all days!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:39:38 PM
Announcement imminent, they are just waiting for this thread to reach 500 pages.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: German James on May 14, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
Keep typing, keep typing!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
Villa cant offically announce Mcleish departure until he emptys his desk.That will take time because of all the draws .....Groan. sadly ripped off twitter also
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2012, 02:42:23 PM
Just about to go into a 2 hour meeting ... what to expect when I get out?!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:43:57 PM
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01508/splash_villa_1508299a.jpg)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 14, 2012, 02:45:07 PM
That you will be one of the last people in the UK to know the official news Dave
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 14, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Avram Grant is currently unemployed.....You just fucking know its  going to happen dont you :(
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TheEgo on May 14, 2012, 02:47:14 PM
Sat In bed feeling poorly, but watching sky sports news. f5 here and a few other places and twittter on my iPad better than antibiotics...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 14, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Avram Grant is currently unemployed.....You just fucking know its  going to happen dont you :(

Don't even joke.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 02:47:59 PM
Is lambert the man being favoured in the media or has he distanced himself?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 02:48:31 PM
Shall we start a sweep for when the official announcement is made?  I'm going for 3:45pm today.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 02:48:52 PM
There is no chance they'll massively balls it up like last time again. They'll be very careful of that.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
Totally gripped with baited breath, need the loo but am stuck to my seat (I'm happy to pee myself to wait for the news). Got a meeting later which will probably be when it's announced.

Think I'll take the wireless to the loo
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 02:49:25 PM
Don't think he's distanced himself has he?  Wasn't giving anything away post match yesterday.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 14, 2012, 02:49:38 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 14, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Avram Grant is currently unemployed.....You just fucking know its  going to happen dont you :(

Shut up, shut up SHUT UP!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
I predict 3.15pm...counting down.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 02:48:31 PM
Shall we start a sweep for when the official announcement is made?  I'm going for 3:45pm today.

That would be a solid appointment

(http://sevenandseven.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/sweep.jpg)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
I reckon 3.25pm
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 14, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
Apparently Grant has just resigned as boss of Partizan Belgrade after guiding them to the title :(
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on May 14, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
Avram Grant is currently unemployed.....You just fucking know its  going to happen dont you :(

Don't even joke.
We need someone who can do the job properly. McLeish FAILED to get us relegated. Lets get a real pro in. Welcome aboard Avram!

:p
(ducks for cover).
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
Quote from: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 02:49:17 PM
Totally gripped with baited breath, need the loo but am stuck to my seat (I'm happy to pee myself to wait for the news). Got a meeting later which will probably be when it's announced.

Think I'll take the wireless to the loo

I'd have thought that they'd make the announcement on the Official Site rather than in your meeting
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 02:52:36 PM
Seriously though, if we appoint Avram Grant after McLeish is fucked off, I'm done with this shit until Randy fucks off. I couldn't take it. Out of the frying pan and boned up the ass with a red hot poker!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Holte End Stylist on May 14, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 02:48:52 PM
There is no chance they'll massively balls it up like last time again. They'll be very careful of that.
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I'd like to think so
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 14, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
A short press release on the official site about 4.00-4.30 and more news tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
50 or so VAT returns to do.

I hope that HMRC don't mind if they're not as accurate as normal
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
McLeish to WBA..., Wouldn't you just pay good money to see that happen....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:53:49 PM
Lets get to page 500 ! Nearly there !
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: FatSam on May 14, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: PercyN'thehood on May 14, 2012, 01:32:39 PM
£9m well spent. Austerity my arse.

Yes, exactly.

This kind of stupidity makes getting any value out of players/ managers a lot more difficult going forward. I would imagine we have a reputation for paying over the odds within football circles.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 14, 2012, 02:54:47 PM
whatever time the statement comes it can't come soon enough, i scarpered from a meeting at work (ok so the part of the meeting i did a runner from didn't effect me so technically I was free to leave) so I could follow what was going on!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
From Collymore's Twitter:

Alex Mcleish and Villa have parted company. "Times up" from the man himself. CONFIRMED.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 02:55:09 PM
From Collymore's Twitter:

Alex Mcleish and Villa have parted company. "Times up" from the man himself. CONFIRMED.

Randy Collymore ?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 02:56:59 PM
Come on then, make it official so I can go and crimp one off.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Singapore Villa on May 14, 2012, 02:57:28 PM
Fookin Hallelujah !!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Also from Collymore:

I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength" #talksport Exclusive
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chrisupnorth on May 14, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
Can't tell you how delighted I am to hear that he's finally going.  Now I can start worrying about who Randy has lined up to replace him!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Michel Sibble on May 14, 2012, 02:59:21 PM
F***ing great news!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Time is running out for Mcleish to win over dissenting fans.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 03:00:00 PM
Page 500 at 3.00 pm - announcement please
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Also from Collymore:

I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength" #talksport Exclusive

Well that's very gracious.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 03:00:21 PM
woohoo!  The topic could still reach 500 pages before it has been made official!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: maigrait on May 14, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
Fantastic news... Just appoint the right fella now. No messing with grant or other losers such as that.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Singapore Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:01:37 PM
Talksport can can confirm that Randy has persuaded Dr Jo out of retirement...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 03:01:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Also from Collymore:

I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength" #talksport Exclusive

Well that's very gracious.
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: irreverent zog on May 14, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Also from Collymore:

I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength" #talksport Exclusive

Well that's very gracious.

£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
Bye Alex. You're probably a nice bloke. But just not good enough for us.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 03:02:22 PM
@StanCollymore: I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength"

#talksport Exclusive
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 03:02:38 PM
The silent minority will now rally in support of him...
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: jembob on May 14, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Time is running out for Mcleish to win over dissenting fans.

I've changed my mind. I want him to stay.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?
please say thats a joke
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
Bye Alex. You're probably a nice bloke. But just not good enough for us.


Once he's gone I can agree with that.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 03:03:49 PM
Stan to discuss it on Talksport in a minute.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 14, 2012, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?

That would be the final straw.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Christ, I've had to endure WM for the last hour
Almost as good as daytime tv
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?
please say thats a joke

I wouldn't read too much into it. They have Emile Heskey on their list of potential managers.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: The Man With A Stick on May 14, 2012, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?

That would be the final straw.

It'd be great to get to a final. Sign him up.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?
please say thats a joke

I wouldn't read too much into it. They have Emile Heskey on their list of potential managers.
And DOL :-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 03:05:38 PM
I agree, Alec - nice bloke, just not strong enough to be our Manager. And certainly not what we, as a club, needed. Probably an excellent Championship manager though!

I tried to support you this season, I gave you time and enough chances to win me over, and each time we were let down and disappointed.

Goodbye Alec and good wishes to you.

Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:04:27 PM

I wouldn't read too much into it. They have Emile Heskey on their list of potential managers.

He he, just spat my teeth out!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
nothing nice about gingerman i'm afraid . the abdication of all responsibility came all too easily to the man. Craven.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
 
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?

Pep Guardiola and Emile Heskey both 66/1 with William Hill ::)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
Christ, I've had to endure WM for the last hour
Almost as good as daytime tv

I know. Soldiers that get spat on and scrap metal lorries crashing through barriers. Didn't know brum was so exciting.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: timeoutbigbar on May 14, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?

Pep Guardiola and Emile Heskey both 66/1 with William Hill ::)

A managerial dream team?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
nothing nice about gingerman i'm afraid . the abdication of all responsibility came all too easily to the man. Craven.

Wow, now we're being linked with John Craven ?!?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 03:08:31 PM
werewolf sighted in B6
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 03:01:18 PM
Why the fuck is Neil Lennon 3rd favourite on William Hill?
please say thats a joke

I wouldn't read too much into it. They have Emile Heskey on their list of potential managers.

Other contenders on Bet365 are Jurgen Klinsmann, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Peter Withe, Gareth Southgate and Paul Ince.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 14, 2012, 03:09:23 PM
Tweeted by Sky Sports

Aston Villa have parted company with under-fire manager Alex McLeish #AVFC
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Barry Fry just seen driving into VP.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Ian Abrahams ‏ @Moose_talkSPORT
I have been told Villa could have a Director of Football in the next few days
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 03:09:33 PM
Stan - explaining at the moment on Talk Sport
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Collymores on Talksport now- Has contacted McLeish who replied "times up" before wishing the club well.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mike Jeffries on May 14, 2012, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
nothing nice about gingerman i'm afraid . the abdication of all responsibility came all too easily to the man. Craven.

Wow, now we're being linked with John Craven ?!?

Proven countryside experience.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
Anyone reckon we may get a DoF in now to implement a vision and give some continuity?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on May 14, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
nothing nice about gingerman i'm afraid . the abdication of all responsibility came all too easily to the man. Craven.
Indeed. He may play the dignified ex-employee now but the way in which he's tried to shift the blame in recent months was contemptible. Nothing nice about that at all.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Ian Abrahams ‏ @Moose_talkSPORT
I have been told Villa could have a Director of Football in the next few days

Oh Jesus not Avram Grant.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 14, 2012, 03:11:29 PM
what odds are the krankies?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Ian Abrahams ‏ @Moose_talkSPORT
I have been told Villa could have a Director of Football in the next few days

McLeish has been promoted!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:12:25 PM
HAs anybody checked on DCF?  Just to make sure he's OK.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?
Because doing it wrong is the Lerner way.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Collymore's preferred choice is Lambert
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?

To have some continuation at the club. Some DoF work well. eg at WBA, Reading etc

I am not saying it is a good idea, just that it maybe a consideration now.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:12:25 PM
HAs anybody checked on DCF?  Just to make sure he's OK.

He and alex are sharing a bottle of whiskey and drowning their sorrows together.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TheEgo on May 14, 2012, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?

Maybe any manager coming in have/will buy into the DOF concept. Heard today could be a Comoli/Poyet combo..

Anyway maybe there finalising the "takeover" and the billions we will have to spend :-)
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?

Couldn't agree more Paulie.  Would like to think that they have already sounded out a new manager and he is OK with the idea.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Collymore's preferred choice is Lambert

I had him down as a Bensons man
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:16:24 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?

I would hope they've already approached their chosen manager, got his confirmation and discussed the structure with him.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simon Ward on May 14, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
Stan Collymore ‏ @StanCollymore

I contacted Alex direct,reply was "Time's up big man,hope Villa go on from strength to strength" #talksport Exclusive


Probably old news!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:16:43 PM
Any odds on Bob Bradley???
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Ron Manager on May 14, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Barry Fry just seen driving into VP.

Fantastic!!  My heart feels lifted!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chrisupnorth on May 14, 2012, 03:17:01 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 03:12:10 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Ian Abrahams ‏ @Moose_talkSPORT
I have been told Villa could have a Director of Football in the next few days

McLeish has been promoted!

How about the great GT?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 03:17:16 PM
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Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 03:17:46 PM
Perhaps the DoF has been given the mandate to source and employ the new Manager. Faulkner sticks to Commercial and if it is a train wreck Randy is then hands off and blameless.

Don't like DoF framework. Has it worked in UK?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 03:15:58 PM
Quote from: CJ on May 14, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
Collymore's preferred choice is Lambert

I had him down as a Bensons man

Filthy habit. All those Dog Ends.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
As long as tony butler doesnt get the dof job, i cant see lambert and butler as a combination- oh!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 03:20:04 PM
I had enough of Peter Fucking Grant, never mind his brother Avram.

Although wasn't he D of F at Chelsea or something?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2012, 03:20:36 PM
Director of Football.... is Doug Ellis....
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Ron Manager on May 14, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
How about Sven, and Nancy in place of Grant. She a qualified Lawyer and is fully conversant with dealing with the media.
Sven brought some good players to Man City.

Hang on Im delirious with happiness!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
Damien Commoli being mentioned as DoF?  Nots ure about that.  Clearly messed up at Liverpool.  Ive always said i would have liked to see Gerrard Houllier as DoF.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 03:22:42 PM
DoF is the absolute right way to go for us.
We've all complained about there being no footballing nous on the board. Well here's the solution.

Get a man of pedigree in and then let him assist in finding the new manager. A good manager should have no issues with it and if they do, well, I dont want any more tyrants who want to do it all anyway.
Continuity is the key. Managers come and go. We need stability and long term planning.

Villa is a very attractive job to most managers and having a director who can assist them should not be a problem.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: j66acd on May 14, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
Who's up for a big party in the North Stand car park? Will tomorrow be declared as a bank holiday?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:16:43 PM
Any odds on Bob Bradley???

Hopefully not.  I spent some time in America during his time as their national coach and the general feeling amongst Americans who followed football was that he is absolutely useless.  I feared the worst when he was previously  mentioned for the Villa job
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 14, 2012, 03:24:39 PM
Forget the victory parade in Manchester, we shall have our own at the Holte! Let it be done!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: switters on May 14, 2012, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:12:34 PM
Why appoint a DoF now and risk alienating potential managerial candidates who may not fancy working under such a structure?

It makes a lot more sense than appointing one after we get a manager - new manager much better off coming in with the structure already in place, so if we're going to get one, now is most definitely the time to do so. DoF tends to fail when they are appointed above a manager who is already in place.

There was some talk of Comolli previously, though that might well have just been 2+2=5 due to him being sacked by Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Are we now gonna get all those ridiculous Facebook/Twitter groups that popped up this season taking credit for him going in a truely repulsive manner?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
Damien Commoli being mentioned as DoF?  Nots ure about that.  Clearly messed up at Liverpool.

Says who? Or is he the fall guy for Dalglish, which I think is much more likely?
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Are we now gonna get all those ridiculous Facebook/Twitter groups that popped up this season taking credit for him going in a truely repulsive manner?

Yes lots of 'we told you so' bollocks. When they fail to realise that noone wanted him hired, but the vast majority wanted to give him a chance. Unfortunately he couldn't take that chance.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
SSN statement in a few minutes
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 03:22:42 PM
Villa is a very attractive job to most managers....

Not any more - facebook groups/bedsheets/half page ads in the local paper? This is when all the protesting comes back to bite us on the arse.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Holte132 on May 14, 2012, 03:29:17 PM
He's gone!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 03:29:21 PM
He's gone
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
NOW ON THE OS. YYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
Breakingnews Sky- he's gone
Title: AVFC confirm - Alex McLeish sacked.
Post by: villaparkb6 on May 14, 2012, 03:29:39 PM
SSN mcleish sacked
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: MikeH on May 14, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
And he's gone yessssssss!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 14, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
He's gone, it's official.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:30:43 PM

Aston Villa can confirm that Alex McLeish's contract has been terminated with immediate effect.

The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.

The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.

"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.

"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

Chief Executive Paul Faulkner said: "We'd like to thank Alex for his hard work and efforts throughout this tough season.

"We are mindful of the club's need to prepare thoroughly for the new campaign and for the new manager to be able to begin working with the board so that he is quickly immersed in these preparations and also in the long-term objectives of the club.

"Our focus now will be driven by these imperatives and we will update when appropriate."
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:30:56 PM
Get in. Bye bye Alex, no personal problem with you and best of luck in the future.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Nev on May 14, 2012, 03:31:11 PM
At last. Tarra a bit.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:31:20 PM
It's official
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Ron Manager on May 14, 2012, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 14, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Are we now gonna get all those ridiculous Facebook/Twitter groups that popped up this season taking credit for him going in a truely repulsive manner?

Probably. But the fact of the matter is AM was losing Randy Lerner a lot of money and thats the one thing that got him sacked. Hopefully Grant will dissapear shortly as well.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:31:27 PM
WOOOOOO!!!!! Official statement read on talksport!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 03:31:41 PM
Official text from club - he has gone, I am almost in tears of joy at the news!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 14, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
Got the text message!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Simon Ward on May 14, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Gone per the o/s.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: TonyDaleysHair on May 14, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
Huzzzah!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: DB on May 14, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 03:22:33 PM
Damien Commoli being mentioned as DoF?  Nots ure about that.  Clearly messed up at Liverpool.

Says who? Or is he the fall guy for Dalglish, which I think is much more likely?

Ask Spurs fans what they think of him....
Ones here at work say he's sh*t.
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 14, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:16:43 PM
Any odds on Bob Bradley???

Hopefully not.  I spent some time in America during his time as their national coach and the general feeling amongst Americans who followed football was that he is absolutely useless.  I feared the worst when he was previously  mentioned for the Villa job
Believe me it isn't wishful thinking
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: NeilH on May 14, 2012, 03:33:02 PM
Phew.....Now learn from this and make sure that the next appointment is the right one.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: DerHammer on May 14, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!!! get in there!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Times reporting Alex McLeish sacked
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 03:33:36 PM
OK, who had 3:29?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:30:43 PM

Aston Villa can confirm that Alex McLeish's contract has been terminated with immediate effect.

The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.

The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.

"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.

"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

Chief Executive Paul Faulkner said: "We'd like to thank Alex for his hard work and efforts throughout this tough season.

"We are mindful of the club's need to prepare thoroughly for the new campaign and for the new manager to be able to begin working with the board so that he is quickly immersed in these preparations and also in the long-term objectives of the club.

"Our focus now will be driven by these imperatives and we will update when appropriate."



That actually sounds like Randy has finally got it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Villan For Life on May 14, 2012, 03:34:00 PM
At last!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: midian on May 14, 2012, 03:34:09 PM
The banner 'Its not where your from,its where your taking us' was totally bang on hated him as a manager but probably a nice bloke id wish him good luck where ever he goes Villa just was never ment to be from day 1!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 14, 2012, 03:34:28 PM
Yahoo! This is your celebration
Yahoo! This is your celebration
 
Celebrate good times,come on! (Let's celebrate)
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)
 
There's a party goin' on right here
A celebration to last throughout the years
So bring your good times, and your laughter too
We gonna celebrate your party with you
 
Come on now
 
Celebration
Let's all celebrate and have a good time
Celebration
We gonna celebrate and have a good time
 
It's time to come together
It's up to you, what's your pleasure
 
Everyone around the world
Come on!
 
Yahoo! It's a celebration
Yahoo!
 
Celebrate good times, come on!
It's a celebration
Celebrate good times, come on!
Let's celebrate
 
We're gonna have a good time tonight
Let's celebrate, it's all right
We're gonna have a good time tonight
Let's celebrate, it's all right
 
Baby...
 
We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion)
Let's celebrate, it's all right
We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion)
Let's celebrate, it's all right
 
Yahoo!
Yahoo!
 
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)
Celebrate good times, come on!
It's a celebration!
Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)
 
Come on and celebrate, good times, tonight (Celebrate good times, come on!)
'Cause everything's gonna be all right
Let's celebrate (Celebrate good times, come on)
(Let's celebrate)...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 03:34:48 PM
oh Joy oh joy oh joy
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
We will renew our season tickets tomorrow-
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Nev on May 14, 2012, 03:35:14 PM
I like the tone of the statement, no hiding from what has happened and damning of a plainly limited manager.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
Its like winning the premier League!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:30:43 PM

Aston Villa can confirm that Alex McLeish's contract has been terminated with immediate effect.

The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.

The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.

"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.

"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

Chief Executive Paul Faulkner said: "We'd like to thank Alex for his hard work and efforts throughout this tough season.

"We are mindful of the club's need to prepare thoroughly for the new campaign and for the new manager to be able to begin working with the board so that he is quickly immersed in these preparations and also in the long-term objectives of the club.

"Our focus now will be driven by these imperatives and we will update when appropriate."



That actually sounds like Randy has finally got it.

Definitely...positive reading...now the suspense begins!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:35:26 PM
Just imagine what shite they'll get to replace him.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 03:35:32 PM
SACKED - not mutual consent - brilliant.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 14, 2012, 03:35:34 PM
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Tucson Villain on May 14, 2012, 03:35:38 PM
Finally.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 03:35:43 PM
This is our night tonight, everything's gonna be alright...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 14, 2012, 03:35:54 PM
That is a pretty firm statement. That reads to me as a "sacking" rather than a "mutual consent". Are the club growing some balls?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: caster troy on May 14, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Wow they have nailed him in that statement!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 03:36:06 PM
hope he gets another prem job soon


cant wait to play them
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chris Harte on May 14, 2012, 03:36:19 PM
Good riddance. Never good enough for our club.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 03:37:38 PM
YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

Make the right choice this time Randy and we'll forget all about this nasty little episode.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
Wooohoooooooooooooo fucking result of the season
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: asgpaul on May 14, 2012, 03:38:20 PM
Brilliant - at least the board acted swiftly, wasn't expecting them to.  Absolutely delighted.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: joecrow on May 14, 2012, 03:38:20 PM
Fuck Manchester.  Centenery square anyone?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
At last, a well-written and honest press release from the club.  Let's draw a line under everything and move on as a club.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pr_N'villa on May 14, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
Great news, lets hope for some one young and attack minded an hopefully gets a fair bit of money to spend
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 03:39:19 PM
ring those bells!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Told you it would happen when I went to the docs. Just call me Mystic Shin!

Happy Days are here again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
At last, a well-written and honest press release from the club.  Let's draw a line under everything and move on as a club.

here here. It really is a great day for the club. Common sense prevails.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mikeb1982 on May 14, 2012, 03:39:36 PM
Woo-hoo! Off to renew...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 03:39:37 PM
Even my wife has just texted to say 'fantastic' and she knows bog all about these things despite having to eat, sleep and breathe the Villa
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
Thank FUCK for that.

Also, echoing Risso, I thought they'd put a great deal of thought and honesty into that press released about the last few seasons, so well done.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: atomicjam on May 14, 2012, 03:40:22 PM
Great news- he was never good enough.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Broughty-Villian on May 14, 2012, 03:40:27 PM
I am just sat happily smiling away to myself. Never been happier this season.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
REJOICE !


Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
Almost feels like winning a trophy- wonderful feeling , now we have our club back from those wretched hands lets hope we can unite behind the new manager and get aston villa back up the table next season.

A huge upheaval is required in the playing squad and hopefully we can back the new boss financially and have an exciting season ahead - great feeling today , have a great summer everyone!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
At last, a well-written and honest press release from the club.  Let's draw a line under everything and move on as a club.

Correct it's a very encouraging statement and more than I expected to be honest.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dl9 on May 14, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
I got a feeling that tonight’s gonna be a good night
that tonight’s gonna be a good night
that tonight’s gonna be a good good night wooh hoo (x4)

Tonight’s the night night
Let’s live it up
I got my f**kin' money
Let’s spend it up
go out and smash it
let go o' my guard
Jump off that sofa
Let’s get get this bitch up



I know that we’ll have a ball
if we get down
and go out
and just f**kin' lose it all

I feel stressed out
I wanna let it go
Lets go way out spaced out
and losing all control

Fill up my cup
Mazeltov
Look at her dancing
just take it off
Lets paint the town
We’ll shut it down
Let’s burn the roof
and then we’ll do it again

Let's Do it and do it and do it 1
and do it and do it 2
and do it and do it and live it 3
up and do it, do it
4
do it, do it, and do it 5
and do it and do it and do it 6
and do it and do it and 7

i gotta feeling that tonight’s gonna be a good night
that tonight’s gonna be a good night
that tonight’s gonna be a good good night (x2)

Tonight’s the night
let’s live it up
I got my money
Lets spend it up

Go out and smash it (smash it)
Like Oh My God (like oh my god)
Jump off that sofa (cmon)
Lets kick it up

Fill up my cup (Drink)
Mazel tov!(le haim)
Look at her dancing (Move it Move it)
Just take it off

Lets paint the town (paint the town)
We’ll shut it down (shut it down)
Lets burn the roof
and then we’ll do it again

count to 7 and start singing again
shut the f**k up, up, up

Here we come
here we go
we gotta rock rock
rock rock rock

Easy come
easy go
now we on top
top top top top

Feel the shot
body rock
Rock it don’t stop stop
stop stop

Round and round
up and down
around the clock clock clock clock

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday
Friday, Saturday, Saturday to Sunday

we keep keep keep keep going up
we know what we say say
party everyday
p-p-p-party every f**kin' day

got a feeling (ooooooo ooooooo)
that tonights gonna be a good night
that tonights gonna be a good night
that tonights gonna be a good good night
(oooooooooooo ooooooooooo)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 03:41:41 PM
And no "mutual consent" nonsense either. He's been sacked, and he deserves to be.
Don't balls up again, Randy!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:41:53 PM
I was looking froward to this day, but the sense of relief is absolutely enormous.  I'm already optimistic about the new season.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 03:41:57 PM
Brilliant! And congratulations to the club, the initial appointment notwithstanding, they've handled the sacking in a timely and professional manner.

Right, anyone for the 'Who do you want for next manager thread?'  ;)

New signatures please!  ;D
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Merv on May 14, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:30:43 PM

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent."


I have to say, the club has acted far more decisively and urgently on this than I had expected. And that quote above, from Lerner, is pretty strong criticism, given the context of an official club statement.



Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Fair play to the board for acting so quickly too.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villaparkb6 on May 14, 2012, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
REJOICE !




laughed my bollocks off
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
At last, a well-written and honest press release from the club.  Let's draw a line under everything and move on as a club.

Correct it's a very encouraging statement and more than I expected to be honest.

The club have played this well since the Bolton defeat. They have kept fans focused on supporting the team for the last 3 games, while obviously talking to local journos and giving them hints that he would go.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Told you it would happen when I went to the docs. Just call me Mystic Shin!

Happy Days are here again.

Thanks - you going to the doctor was nail in his coffin :-)

Hope all went well, but suspect you can't be bothered.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
A dark cloud has been lifted. Thank god the board acted quickly.

Don't mess up the next appointment Randy.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 03:43:31 PM
The future suddenly looks Brighter
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 03:44:25 PM
To act this quickly, surely they have someone lined up???
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Pete3206 on May 14, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
(http://lightintheattic.net/system/wordpress_uploads/2010/12/fireworks.jpg)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 03:44:35 PM
Quote from: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 03:43:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 03:39:28 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Told you it would happen when I went to the docs. Just call me Mystic Shin!

Happy Days are here again.

Thanks - you going to the doctor was nail in his coffin :-)

Let's just hope it wasn't a nail in Peter's coffin though...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
Doesn't sound like they are unduly bothered about any future legal nonsense from AM does it?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: flybo on May 14, 2012, 03:44:53 PM
About time :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: frank on May 14, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Marvellous news! The church bells are ringing here in Dresden and know I know why: they're ringing for claret and blue
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villaparkb6 on May 14, 2012, 03:45:09 PM
and then there was light
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
Right time to fish my season ticket renewal form from the Bin!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: frank on May 14, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Marvellous news! The church bells are ringing here in Dresden and know I know why: they're ringing for claret and blue

You get back to celebrating winning the prediction league Frank and never mind all this trivia!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
I can do some fucking work now
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mortimer1982 on May 14, 2012, 03:46:16 PM
We have our club back.  Last season was the first time in 37 years that I never went to a single Villa game.  I will get a season ticket now.  The Villa is ours.  I am so happy.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 03:46:57 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
Doesn't sound like they are unduly bothered about any future legal nonsense from AM does it?

Maybe he is pretty decent, or a clause was inserted in the contract.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 03:47:12 PM
How about curbishley as dof and lambert as team manager?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: myf on May 14, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
Cue the stampede for the ticket office
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: johny on May 14, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
Thank fuck for that, the nightmare is over. A very dark cloud has immediately lifted from our club. Do one Alex.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: frank on May 14, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Marvellous news! The church bells are ringing here in Dresden and know I know why: they're ringing for claret and blue

Arranged especially for you, Frank.  Hope you're having a good time.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2012, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:38:39 PM
At last, a well-written and honest press release from the club.  Let's draw a line under everything and move on as a club.

I get they feeling that was written Stateside. Randy is obviously not a happy chap and has obviously realised too many at the club are in a comfort zone. The millions lost in PL prize money won't have helped his mood either.

Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: myf on May 14, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
Cue the stampede for the ticket office

Just tried to phone.  Had more luck getting Stone Roses tickets!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:49:45 PM
Very refreshing to finally hear the media talking about how poor the football was this season (Paul Colley on Skysports)  and not banging on about how the Villa fans didn't like him because he was Blues

I'm still waiting to see who they appoint before renewing though
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
I can do some fucking work now

And me!

It feels like you was told the terminal illness you had has just gone away - fantatsic news, almost as good news is the fact the club finally got it, it must have been the Bolton game that it finally sank in just how much shit we were in

Well done all the fans that had placards  / banners etc - it finally dispelled the myth about where he came from

I even have some faith back that Randy and co will get the appointment right

What we need to do, no matter who it is next, we have to support them

Unless of course (Curbishley / McCarthy or Potato head) any of those will be an even bigger step backwards
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 14, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1720000/images/_1723283_roeder150.jpg)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 03:50:12 PM
Norwich have already issued a "hands off" warning to clubs looking to nick Lambert.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: MarkM on May 14, 2012, 03:51:25 PM
Finally some good and long awaited leadership from the board
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
Oh goody, the Fear is talking to SSN.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Villan For Life on May 14, 2012, 03:52:38 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 03:50:12 PM
Norwich have already issued a "hands off" warning to clubs looking to nick Lambert.

Thought his name was Paul ;-) ?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
Lets all do a global H&V happy to dance, regardless of who they go for it's got to be better than last year so no worries for a day or 2.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Well, I can't wait for us to get our hands on Lambert.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
Thank Christ I was wrong and he's gone. Well done to the club for acting so swiftly. Please please get someone with a bit of football knowledge on the board and a young/up and coming manager to take us forward.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 14, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1720000/images/_1723283_roeder150.jpg)

That would literally be the only appointment that would make me even more depressed!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
I hope this thread gets locked, soon, let us all celebrate for a day or so, then please lock it. I NEVER want to hear this mans name mentioned with MY (well our) club ever again
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 03:56:04 PM
Norwich can say what they like - if lambert wants and is offered the job im sure he would quit carrow road and let the compensation be settled.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
I'd forgotten about Roeder
He's still on the payroll
Surely not
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
Anyone fancy a celebration in front of the Council House?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Sarunyu on May 14, 2012, 03:58:16 PM
Hope that we have UCL experienced manager like Rafa, Ancelotti, Rijkaad, Capello, Louis van Gaal, Hιctor Cϊper
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ozzjim on May 14, 2012, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 14, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1720000/images/_1723283_roeder150.jpg)

That would literally be the only appointment that would make me even more depressed!


Oh no, there is another. But only Paulie can have the pleasure of putting the picture up....

There were two up front, with..... I will allow Paulie to do the rest.



As for the statement. The most positive thing to come out of Villa Park since signing Bent. Well worded, and felt like it had though about the Villa fans finally. Thank you.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 14, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 03:30:43 PM

Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent."


I have to say, the club has acted far more decisively and urgently on this than I had expected. And that quote above, from Lerner, is pretty strong criticism, given the context of an official club statement.





what a cutting statement from the Chairman
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dl9 on May 14, 2012, 03:58:59 PM
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Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: jembob on May 14, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
I hope this thread gets locked, soon, let us all celebrate for a day or so, then please lock it. I NEVER want to hear this mans name mentioned with MY (well our) club ever again

With the technology available today we should expunge all reference to the buffoon from the Club's records. If the Egyptians could do the same with Akhenaten thousands of years ago, surely we can bury the memory of this dreadful season.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PGW on May 14, 2012, 04:03:35 PM
I can now go down the ticket office with a smile on my face to renew ST, everyone should renew ASAP to show the club further that the appointment was a colossal mistake. The club know that if he had stayed numbers would have crashed, so all should now get behind club and renew immediately - we as a group have immense power in our wallets!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: Colhint on May 14, 2012, 03:55:53 PM
I hope this thread gets locked, soon, let us all celebrate for a day or so, then please lock it. I NEVER want to hear this mans name mentioned with MY (well our) club ever again

We've got to give him the 'Chris Benoit' treatment.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: PGW on May 14, 2012, 04:03:35 PM
we have immense power in our wallets!!!

Ive got sod all in mine!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: KRS on May 14, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Thank fuck that nightmare is over! 

Lets hope the board act as swiftly and as positively with a strong confident managerial appointment. I cant be dealing with being linked with the likes of Grant, Curbishley, McCarthy, Bruce, etc; for the next few weeks so hope they have a strong short list and plan of action in place.

I wont be happy if they go chasing Martinez either despite what some ppl think of his managerial abilities.

ABV
Rodgers
Lambert

...one of the above please Randy!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villanic on May 14, 2012, 04:08:16 PM
Oh joy. Yes yes yeeeessssss.

Now just hope the board get there act together and make the right appointment this time.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: SX150 on May 14, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
Gone Gone Gone, goodbye McLeish. Mind the door don't smack you on the arse on the way out.   Yippppeeeeee.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: supertom on May 14, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
YEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

The Mrs won't know what hit her later on. I'm gonna pounce on her.

Back. Of. The. Net.

Huge weight lifted. Week ahead can be enjoyed. Next season can be looked forward too.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
Does anyone else literally feel like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders? Exciting times again!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villainjock on May 14, 2012, 04:12:16 PM
Just at vp, people turning up now smiling, laughing and a good flow of folks going in the ticket office, feels like when we won the cup.I've just spent £50 in the shop.happy days are here again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Gareth on May 14, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
Saved my 1000th post (mere amateur!) for this moment!!

Glad he has gone, like most the dire football and Jurassic tactics made it impossible to want him to continue.

For me I don't want to see Bruce or Curbishley anywhere near the club, more dull, defensive mentalities we don't need.

Fresh ideas are called for be it; Lambert / Rodgers / Poyet / Martinez or evn a Zola or a Di Canio.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
Owen Coyle and Steve Kean fit last year's criteria?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:16:01 PM
Ron Atkinson spouting some shite on WM.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Witton Warrior on May 14, 2012, 04:16:26 PM
Interesting statement from Randy, seems he may have realised he was part of the problem?
Faulkner next?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 14, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
YEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

The Mrs won't know what hit her later on. I'm gonna pounce on her.

Back. Of. The. Net.

Huge weight lifted. Week ahead can be enjoyed. Next season can be looked forward too.

Haha that made me laugh, I think Ill do the same.... obviously not with your Mrs
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: adam#1 on May 14, 2012, 04:18:27 PM
Great Statement from the Club.

Of course, sacking the manager and appointing a new one will deflect away from the other major problem of the last two seasons or so - we've become a selling club who've stopped investing in the playing staff - and this is the responsibility of the owners. I give it until 2013 until fans realize this and start to protest against the board.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:18:41 PM
Anyone want me pounce on their Mrs?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: supertommykN'iba on May 14, 2012, 04:18:57 PM
Great news. Likeable bloke, but not in the slightest when it comes to his Football Management. Let's hope Lerner gets the next appointment right.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on May 14, 2012, 04:19:16 PM
Common sense has prevailed and the club have acted decisively. I defended Mcleish for large periods of the season, but the last 2 months have been unacceptable and his position became untenable. I think a dark period in our history has ended this afternoon and Iam looking forward to next season. I just hope the new manager is well supported in the transfer market because this squad needs a big overhaul.  Now where is that renewal form....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 14, 2012, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:11:17 PM
Does anyone else literally feel like a weight has been lifted off their shoulders? Exciting times again!

Yes, since I read online on my way up to work this morning that he who shall not be named was going to be sacked, then after scarpering from work to follow what was going on, finally reading that club statement, that it was over, he was gone, i've gone a grin like a cheshire cat. I feel like I want to step foot back in Villa Park again.

Let's hope we get it right, we appoint someone who can take us forward, take us back so we are a team worth watching, a team who play football that excites, that we can be proud of
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Diablo on May 14, 2012, 04:20:03 PM
Can't believe it! I'm in a state of shock! I know I'm happy but I can't express it yet. My girlfriend commented on how I was really hot and clammy (I was too embarrassed to tell her it was football related) I've not done any work and at one point even got really excited as I thought Thatcher had died and it was gonna be one of those historic I remember where I was days when.... (checked on Google but alas).  Either way still an historic day - the best and only way to finish off such a dire season.

THANK GOD THAT"S OVER!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Des Little on May 14, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
It has to be Lambert coming in.  We've got a song for him and EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:18:41 PM
Anyone want me pounce on their Mrs?
Brilliant haha
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)

I LOVE IT!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 14, 2012, 04:21:32 PM
"The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans."

This is absolutely spot on

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)

Tis a thing of beauty.

Can we just refer to him as 'The Scottish Manager' from now on?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: danlanza on May 14, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
Its my birthday tday.What a present! Thank fuck for that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
Pity those poor Citeh fans gathering in Albert Square.....they've only got a poxy championship to celebrate  and well those plastic Mancs have nothing at all
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on May 14, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 14, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
Its my birthday tday.What a present! Thank fuck for that.
Happy Birthday mate!  UTV
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)

Stolen as a Facebook status with the caption "Christmas has come seven months early".
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ormskirkvillan on May 14, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
I don't feel moved to post often, but today feels like we have got our club back.  The statement from the club sounds like Randy has woken up and is going to ensure things change.  Now please just make sure you pick the right man Randy (3rd time lucky?)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 14, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

He didn't mention he was a good coach or manager, interestingly.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

Don't quite like how that sounds. 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 14, 2012, 04:28:03 PM
Yesssssssss!!!!!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ktvillan on May 14, 2012, 04:28:20 PM
Thank Fuck for that.

I was genuinely concerned Randy would keep him, but clearly appointing him was the limit of his blind spot/mental breakdown, and he's been able to finally see the painfully obvious truth that this manager wasn't, isn't and was never going to be good enough for Aston Villa.

I just hope we now get someone who can combine decent, creative, attacking football with some positive results.

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks

Conjecture. The club were/are well on course for the same amount of season tickets sold as last year.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:28:50 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

Don't quite like how that sounds. 
Agree.  Its our fault.  How dare we expect not to be almost relegated and more entertaining football.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
Thank you.....my inbox is full of links to this website's sacking bits.......

It makes a fantastic sight to behold
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks

Conjecture. The club were/are well on course for the same amount of season tickets sold as last year.
How many is that?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:30:15 PM
I'd reunite the Little/Gregory dream team.  Would probably be an utter disaster mind, but I'd love to see them both back in the dugout.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: danlanza on May 14, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
been having a kip, what time did they sack him?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 14, 2012, 04:30:43 PM
Quote from: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)

Stolen as a Facebook status with the caption "Christmas has come seven months early".

If Carlsberg produced pictures, this would be the best picture in the world !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 04:31:15 PM
Wonder who'll be the first player to come out and say ' such a relief that he's gone,most miserable season for all the players...'



Step forward Stephen Warnock.

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

Don't quite like how that sounds.
yes, there's an undertone to that which stinks, unless he's just chosen his words clumsily
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 14, 2012, 04:33:17 PM
9 wins in 42 competitive games.

At just 21.43%, that is the lowest win ratio of any manager in our entire history.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aston_Villa_F.C._managers
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks

Conjecture. The club were/are well on course for the same amount of season tickets sold as last year.

I suspect only the club know the actual figures, but if they'd have kept him I'm certain crowds would have fallen again.  30K average I'd have thought.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 04:31:15 PM
Wonder who'll be the first player to come out and say ' such a relief that he's gone,most miserable season for all the players...'



Step forward Stephen Warnock.



Bannan or N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:34:17 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

Don't quite like how that sounds.
yes, there's an undertone to that which stinks, unless he's just chosen his words clumsily

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as it's only Twitter.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
read somewhere we had sold less than 6000 STs
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: paulcomben on May 14, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
Surprised & impressed by how damning the club's comments are.  I thought they would go for the old 'mutually agree' nonsense.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on May 14, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 04:31:15 PM
Wonder who'll be the first player to come out and say ' such a relief that he's gone,most miserable season for all the players...'



Step forward Stephen Warnock.



Bannan or N'Zogbia.

Bloody hell,how could i overlook Nzogbia.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
read somewhere we had sold less than 6000 STs

Would it normally be much higher as the season only finished yesterday?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: philthebar on May 14, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
Shut up Murphy -
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:37:01 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
read somewhere we had sold less than 6000 STs

As worrying as that sounds, it doesn't surprise me. I think we'll probably sell at least half of that this afternoon alone!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyh on May 14, 2012, 04:37:13 PM
Thank god for that ! Now we can look ahead with some  re newed hope. Randy must get it right this time. One thing for sure , the only way is up !!! UP THE VILLA !
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
read somewhere we had sold less than 6000 STs

Would it normally be much higher as the season only finished yesterday?
to be honest i'm not sure, i just saw that figure and assumed it was low
how many ST holders do we currently have ? isn't it about 22k?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 14, 2012, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: paulcomben on May 14, 2012, 04:34:56 PM
Surprised & impressed by how damning the club's comments are.  I thought they would go for the old 'mutually agree' nonsense.

It's either a case of tell 'em what they want to hear or more hopefully a statement of intent for the future.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 14, 2012, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on May 14, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
I can do some fucking work now

It feels like you was told the terminal illness you had has just gone away - fantatsic news, almost as good news is the fact the club finally got it, it must have been the Bolton game that it finally sank in just how much shit we were in.

Erm, sure it is. Yeah.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Fergal on May 14, 2012, 04:39:41 PM
Now he has gone I am a bit saddened by the whole episode.  It has tainted us both in the way he has managed the club and the way we as supporters reacted to him.  Sadly the only way we supporters can show our displeasure and have it listened to is to chant and boo at matches.  Its ok to post on a forum or write a polite well meaning letter to the club but the only thing that seems to work is to pour scorn and vitriol on the poor sod from the stands.
That along with the way we have played this season has made us look like a sad beaten club.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2012, 04:39:47 PM
Gentlemen and Ladies just ordered a Havana Punch on hearing this news. A sad chapter in our history is ended.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
read somewhere we had sold less than 6000 STs

Would it normally be much higher as the season only finished yesterday?
to be honest i'm not sure, i just saw that figure and assumed it was low
how many ST holders do we currently have ? isn't it about 22k?

I seem to recall we had about 28,000 around the time we got to the Carling Cup Final, and over the last two seasons it's been around the 20-22,000 mark.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Damo70 on May 14, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
Pleased he has been sacked.
Pleased it has been done so quickly.
Pleased with the bluntness of the statement.
Pleased with the optimism for the future in the statement.
Hoping to be pleased with the new managerial appointment and new signings.
Brendan Rodgers would be my choice.
 



Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:43:03 PM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 14, 2012, 04:39:47 PM
Gentlemen and Ladies just ordered a Havana Punch on hearing this news. A sad chapter in our history is ended.
where do you het a Havana Punch in Castle Brom  ;)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Jim Bradley on May 14, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
This is good news, but the real test will be whether Lerner and Faulkner can appoint someone suitable who can get the team a) winning and b) playing attractive football based on the wage cap limitations and transfer budget available - exactly the issues I would suggest put Martinez off last time around and will put others of aa similar calibre off this time.  Where does that leave us?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 04:47:36 PM
First chance I've had to properly register my thoughts.

The statement released by the club is the most positive signal they have sent out in two years. There is an inescapable sense that they have realised the errors of their ways and realise what it takes to succeed. They got it so badly wrong since August 2010 some of us had worried if they could recover.

The swift sacking of McLeish and that statement indicate to me a determination to right the wrongs of the past and start Aston Villa again on the road to glorly
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 14, 2012, 04:48:10 PM
Come on Lerner, make me want to go down the Villa again. Make it a sensible, or even inspiring appointment this time, and now some of the expensive dead wood is off the books give him a bit of money to spend.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
Pity those poor Citeh fans gathering in Albert Square.....they've only got a poxy championship to celebrate  and well those plastic Mancs have nothing at all

The first win in a string of pyrrhic victories for English football. Woohoo, we spent the most money and shockingly have won the title.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: The Left Side on May 14, 2012, 04:48:47 PM
I got to work here an hour ago, a colleague told me the news and I went barmy... great news to start the week off, FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC!!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on May 14, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
Pity those poor Citeh fans gathering in Albert Square.....they've only got a poxy championship to celebrate  and well those plastic Mancs have nothing at all

The first win in a string of pyrrhic victories for English football. Woohoo, we spent the most money and shockingly have won the title.
just shy of £1billion to win / buy the league
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 14, 2012, 04:51:39 PM
Hasn't this thread been locked yet!?  LOL!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: MarkM on May 14, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
Pat Murphy on Five Live said...

"Alex McLeish's Birmingham City past was irrelevant - his playing style and results did for him at Aston Villa."

It took them a while but looks like some will look past where he came from
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on May 14, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks

Conjecture. The club were/are well on course for the same amount of season tickets sold as last year.
How many is that?

I think I read it was around 6,000 earlier in the month, which was similar to last year. Like it or not, going down the Villa is what some people just do.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mrfuse on May 14, 2012, 04:54:56 PM
Now that it's all done and dusted, let's take a look at some of the highlights of McLeish's reign. ... And that concludes the highlights.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: MarkM on May 14, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
Pat Murphy on Five Live said...

"Alex McLeish's Birmingham City past was irrelevant - his playing style and results did for him at Aston Villa."

It took them a while but looks like some will look past where he came from

Oh thank christ for that.  Is that the sound of a penny dropping I hear?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: darren woolley on May 14, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
I'm over the moon he's gone I'm glad we sacked him now we must go for somebody like Lambert, Martinez, or Rodgers I don't mind which one of these we get because I like the way they play football and that can only be good for us.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
I'd actually like to hear the board's reasoning on the McLeish appointment now that the dust has settled. It was such a poor appointment on so many levels, unambitious, unimaginative, negative, and most of all for a club that are trying to cut costs, expensive.

I want to know: what were they thinking? What positives did they think he could bring to Aston Villa?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: darren woolley on May 14, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
I'm over the moon he's gone I'm glad we sacked him now we must go for somebody like Lambert, Martinez, or Rodgers I don't mind which one of these we get because I like the way they play football and that can only be good for us.

I agree.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: darren woolley on May 14, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
I'm over the moon he's gone I'm glad we sacked him now we must go for somebody like Lambert, Martinez, or Rodgers I don't mind which one of these we get because I like the way they play football and that can only be good for us.

Why is everyone wetting their knickers over Martinez all of a sudden? He only got Wigan playing for the last few games, before that they were fucking crap. Granted, the results over the last month have been pretty amazing, but what about all the rubbish beforehand?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: darren woolley on May 14, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
I'm over the moon he's gone I'm glad we sacked him now we must go for somebody like Lambert, Martinez, or Rodgers I don't mind which one of these we get because I like the way they play football and that can only be good for us.

Why is everyone wetting their knickers over Martinez all of a sudden? He only got Wigan playing for the last few games, before that they were fucking crap. Granted, the results over the last month have been pretty amazing, but what about all the rubbish beforehand?

Stu, I can see what you're saying, but I think there's something to be said for coaching. That even though he has limited resources and a small squad, and yes, the early results weren't great, his mission was to coach his team to play a certain way, and give them confidence to do that every week irrespective of the competition.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Niall on May 14, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
I'm glad McLeish is gone but the problems at our club go much deeper than him.

Is anyone confident this board - which appointed Houllier and McLeish in the last two years - is going to get it right this time?
It's not hindsight to say the last two appointments were wrong, many people said it from the start.
We probably have a short list of Steve Kean and Terry Connor.

Secondly, will the new manager be backed with funds? Our performances were wretched under McLeish, but he wasn't given much of a chance from the start - our best two players sold and our midfield stripped.

It seems to me the blame for a truly horrible season lies as much with the board as with McLeish.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 05:16:49 PM
Let's enjoy today, the hard work for the board starts tomorrow, with the new manager in place well before the players are back in training.

In fact he should be in charge before the Euro's.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
Quote from: Niall on May 14, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
I'm glad McLeish is gone but the problems at our club go much deeper than him.

Is anyone confident this board - which appointed Houllier and McLeish in the last two years - is going to get it right this time?
It's not hindsight to say the last two appointments were wrong, many people said it from the start.
We probably have a short list of Steve Kean and Terry Connor.

Secondly, will the new manager be backed with funds? Our performances were wretched under McLeish, but he wasn't given much of a chance from the start - our best two players sold and our midfield stripped.

It seems to me the blame for a truly horrible season lies as much with the board as with McLeish.

Their statement today gave me hope, if not quite confidence that they can't get it quite as badly wrong third time round.  But anyway, let's just njoy today.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: darren woolley on May 14, 2012, 04:55:43 PM
I'm over the moon he's gone I'm glad we sacked him now we must go for somebody like Lambert, Martinez, or Rodgers I don't mind which one of these we get because I like the way they play football and that can only be good for us.

Why is everyone wetting their knickers over Martinez all of a sudden? He only got Wigan playing for the last few games, before that they were fucking crap. Granted, the results over the last month have been pretty amazing, but what about all the rubbish beforehand?
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Quote from: Niall on May 14, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
I'm glad McLeish is gone but the problems at our club go much deeper than him.

Is anyone confident this board - which appointed Houllier and McLeish in the last two years - is going to get it right this time?
It's not hindsight to say the last two appointments were wrong, many people said it from the start.
We probably have a short list of Steve Kean and Terry Connor.

Secondly, will the new manager be backed with funds? Our performances were wretched under McLeish, but he wasn't given much of a chance from the start - our best two players sold and our midfield stripped.

It seems to me the blame for a truly horrible season lies as much with the board as with McLeish.


disagree with this,
 the major problem was the manager, get the next one right and everything else will suddenly feel a lot better,
then we can all get back to moaning about important things like how hot the pies are
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
I honestly think Martinez would be a disaster down the villa
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 05:21:06 PM
And breathe....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TaxDodger on May 14, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
I honestly think Martinez would be a disaster down the villa

Why do you think this? I'm very impressed with what I've seen of him. He seems very intelligent, plays attractive football and appears to lay down foundations for the future at all the clubs he's been at. I understand he's possibly unproven in the Premiership, but I think he'd be worth taking a chance on.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: Niall on May 14, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
I'm glad McLeish is gone but the problems at our club go much deeper than him.

Is anyone confident this board - which appointed Houllier and McLeish in the last two years - is going to get it right this time?
It's not hindsight to say the last two appointments were wrong, many people said it from the start.
We probably have a short list of Steve Kean and Terry Connor.

Secondly, will the new manager be backed with funds? Our performances were wretched under McLeish, but he wasn't given much of a chance from the start - our best two players sold and our midfield stripped.

It seems to me the blame for a truly horrible season lies as much with the board as with McLeish.

The statement today was unlike any other that has come from this board. It was cutting and damning depiction of recent events. And not just about the events of the past season, but it extended back further than that and could be viewed as accepting responsibility for the late MON years on. I hoped and expected McLeish to be fired, but the statement, as Risso has said has given me hope that they've have at last found the light switch. We'll see off course, but my feeling is that, while it is a long road, the pieces they might now put in place will be far more competent to achieving what we want as a club.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
I think Martinez would probably fall into the trap of changing things too quickly, we don't have the players to pass the ball about.
As posted earlier, Wigan have been appalling for most of the season, and it was the same story last year. By appalling I mean atrocious, a team without a plan, strategy and a manager unable to tactically win games
Granted they've been brilliant for the last 4 weeks though
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Doorbell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 14, 2012, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: Niall on May 14, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
I'm glad McLeish is gone but the problems at our club go much deeper than him.

Is anyone confident this board - which appointed Houllier and McLeish in the last two years - is going to get it right this time?
It's not hindsight to say the last two appointments were wrong, many people said it from the start.
We probably have a short list of Steve Kean and Terry Connor.

Secondly, will the new manager be backed with funds? Our performances were wretched under McLeish, but he wasn't given much of a chance from the start - our best two players sold and our midfield stripped.

It seems to me the blame for a truly horrible season lies as much with the board as with McLeish.

The statement today was unlike any other that has come from this board. It was cutting and damning depiction of recent events. And not just about the events of the past season, but it extended back further than that and could be viewed as accepting responsibility for the late MON years on. I hoped and expected McLeish to be fired, but the statement, as Risso has said has given me hope that they've have at last found the light switch. We'll see off course, but my feeling is that, while it is a long road, the pieces they might now put in place will be far more competent to achieving what we want as a club.

From the OS


"Villa's season tickets for the coming 2012-13 campaign are available at a special discount price until the end of this month - and you can even pay interest free over seven months.

It's fair to say the campaign just gone was one to forget but there's real hope that better things are in store as the claret and blues look to charge up the Barclays Premier League table next term.

The season ticket is frozen at last season's prices until May 31 and then there will be an increase so make sure you get in quick to save yourself money."

I have even more hope that things will be a whole lot better this time round...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: jock_villa on May 14, 2012, 05:32:03 PM
That sounds a bit rapey to me.  :-\

Quote from: supertom on May 14, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
YEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

The Mrs won't know what hit her later on. I'm gonna pounce on her.

Back. Of. The. Net.

Huge weight lifted. Week ahead can be enjoyed. Next season can be looked forward too.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
To be fair,they did have some sort of plan early on,but over played too much and their defending was awful. They always suffer from too many changes to the squad during the summer and it takes them a while to adjust.

I like him as a man and how he at least tries to get his teams to attack,no matter who the opposition is. Plus he's got good links to the overseas transfer market where all the value is nowadays.



Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mortimer1982 on May 14, 2012, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
I think Martinez would probably fall into the trap of changing things too quickly, we don't have the players to pass the ball about.
As posted earlier, Wigan have been appalling for most of the season, and it was the same story last year. By appalling I mean atrocious, a team without a plan, strategy and a manager unable to tactically win games
Granted they've been brilliant for the last 4 weeks though

Plenty of time to moan about the new manager when he's appointed.  Let's just have one day when we celebrate the passing of the previous one.  Today's news is good - enjoy it
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: curiousorange on May 14, 2012, 05:35:52 PM
No words...should've sent a poet...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
I can't be bothered to think about who should come in next.
I am just so elated that we have got rid of McLeish that it is brilliant to just enjoy the moment.
There is plenty of time to start worrying (again) over the next appointment.

Ding dong, the witch is dead.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I'm not sure about Martinez.  I admire his approach to football, and he's clearly improving as time goes on, but I think he'd struggle to impose his style on our current side, so we'd need to bring in a few quality replacements.

I really would go with Lambert to be honest.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2012, 05:39:27 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
I'd actually like to hear the board's reasoning on the McLeish appointment now that the dust has settled. It was such a poor appointment on so many levels, unambitious, unimaginative, negative, and most of all for a club that are trying to cut costs, expensive.

I want to know: what were they thinking? What positives did they think he could bring to Aston Villa?

I've said this before:

With Mon you had a manager who got less technical players playing to their strengths using their physique.  He built a squad designed to be quick on the counter attack, solid at the back  and tidy in the middle.

Replacing him with Houllier was a mistake given the timing of the appointment.  This meant a manager who gets good players playing nice attractive football was trying to get that football from a bunch of cloggers.  That appointment failed because of the timing as much as anything (the liverpool thing and the man city cup game sealed the deal for a lot of fans).  He did however get in a couple of players to start changing things, and started bringing through the kids who could adapt to his style.  This meant there were signs that we were going the right direction, but it was going to need an overhaul of the squad.

When Houllier left I believe they initially looked for a manager who could get poorer players playing better football.  Seeing Martinez at Wigan as the best example available they gave it a go but were rebuffed.  They then had a rethink and decided that, seeing as replacing half the squad in a summer wasn't reasonable, if they couldn't get a martinez maybe the best idea was to find someone who could do a similar job to MoN, making us tight at the back and utilise the power and pace in the squad effectively.  They looked at the team of cloggers down the road, saw a cup win and thought there's a manager who can get silverware with a squad full of technically poor players.  Our squad are better setup for that type of game so he might well come in and do a similar, but more effective job for us, saving having to spend big money this summer after a big splurge in january.

I don't agree with it but I can see the logic they used, naive as it may have proven to be.

The addition to this idea is the fact that a lot of the big money contracts (for reserves) were due to expire this summer (heskey, cuellar, beye) which meant that this coming summer was a perfect time for a squad 'reset' whereas last season would've been a lot more difficult/expensive.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: phantom limb on May 14, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
The feelings of triumph and relief are akin to being constipated for a few days and then finally unleashing a gigantic, glorious shit. Goodbye Alex.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I'm not sure about Martinez.  I admire his approach to football, and he's clearly improving as time goes on, but I think he'd struggle to impose his style on our current side, so we'd need to bring in a few quality replacements.

I really would go with Lambert to be honest.

I reckon it's just the defensive side of things that is the biggest question mark over Martinez (who I do think is a very good manager). In terms of going forward, passing it around, I reckon he could do that with Ireland, Bannan, N'Zogbia, Makoun, Bent.

I don't know if he could sort the defending, though. Still, I reckon he'd be worth a go.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
God, can't believe how relieved I am about this! Ridiculous, really, but WOO HOO!

And that statement from Randy was much stronger that I expected it to be, too. Good for him. More than just a little late, but leadership at a time when it was sorely needed.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richardhubbard on May 14, 2012, 05:48:03 PM
Thank fuck for that news! Now villa do not fuck up a 3rd time
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mr woo on May 14, 2012, 05:50:25 PM
Quote from: phantom limb on May 14, 2012, 05:40:59 PM
The feelings of triumph and relief are akin to being constipated for a few days and then finally unleashing a gigantic, glorious shit. Goodbye Alex.

And on that bombshell....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2012, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: citizenDJ on May 14, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I'm not sure about Martinez.  I admire his approach to football, and he's clearly improving as time goes on, but I think he'd struggle to impose his style on our current side, so we'd need to bring in a few quality replacements.

I really would go with Lambert to be honest.

I reckon it's just the defensive side of things that is the biggest question mark over Martinez (who I do think is a very good manager). In terms of going forward, passing it around, I reckon he could do that with Ireland, Bannan, N'Zogbia, Makoun, Bent.

I don't know if he could sort the defending, though. Still, I reckon he'd be worth a go.

I agree, we've got the makings of a decent side going forward (add Johnson, Gardner, Carruthers, Clark and probably Albrighton to the list of good pass and move players) we've got to get the defense sorted though, the key to a strong, structured passing game in the current climate is good full backs - look at the difference Walker made to us, they're the only players on the pitch who regularly have time and space, failing to use that is a crime at the level we're playing and we have the 2 weakest fullbacks in the league currently.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
Just got back from work... thank f*ck for that!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TheSandman on May 14, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
I've been on cloud nine since I heard at about 4 o'clock. Quite frankly the happiest I've felt in weeks.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dishy on May 14, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
happy happy happy, think I'll have a celebration wank :)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 14, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I'm relieved that he's gone. But celebrating sacking your manager is a little bit Wolves.

Just my opinion, and not a criticism of anyone in particular.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TonyD on May 14, 2012, 06:14:05 PM
Celebrating sacking this particular manager is worthy of an extra bank holiday.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2012, 06:14:28 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I'm relieved that he's gone. But celebrating sacking your manager is a little bit Wolves.

Just my opinion, and not a criticism of anyone in particular.

I agree, but I'm working out of town and I'm going to use it as it's as good a reason as any to get smashed on a Monday night.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I'm relieved that he's gone. But celebrating sacking your manager is a little bit Wolves.

Just my opinion, and not a criticism of anyone in particular.

Except if done properly, of course.

Quote from: dishy on May 14, 2012, 06:07:06 PM
happy happy happy, think I'll have a celebration wank :)

;-)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: charlie659 on May 14, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I'm relieved that he's gone. But celebrating sacking your manager is a little bit Wolves.

Just my opinion, and not a criticism of anyone in particular.
Agreed and masturbating over it is just plain Birmingham City :o
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I'm not sure about Martinez.  I admire his approach to football, and he's clearly improving as time goes on, but I think he'd struggle to impose his style on our current side, so we'd need to bring in a few quality replacements.

I really would go with Lambert to be honest.

Yeah, IMO its starting to look like a no brainer now. Considering his non-committal statement when asked about his future at Norwich, it looks like he's hoping for a crack at a bigger club. The only thing is that maybe Liverpool would want him, but at the same time I think they'll go for Van Gaal.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:22:07 PM
I feel like , when you think you have  something serious wrong with your health and its playing on your mind and then you go to the doctors and he gives you great news and you are all clear .     

I feel ace tonight .

Great news ....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: john e on May 14, 2012, 06:22:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
I'm not sure about Martinez.  I admire his approach to football, and he's clearly improving as time goes on, but I think he'd struggle to impose his style on our current side, so we'd need to bring in a few quality replacements.

I really would go with Lambert to be honest.

Yeah, IMO its starting to look like a no brainer now. Considering his non-committal statement when asked about his future at Norwich, it looks like he's hoping for a crack at a bigger club. The only thing is that maybe Liverpool would want him, but at the same time I think they'll go for Van Gaal.

i think it is between Lambert and Martinez, with Lambert the favourite on the basis of what you said about him being non committal
i think Martinez could end up at Liverpool if they decide to remove KKK
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
Ugo talking shite on TSport
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay

Another cider opened chez Legion.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 14, 2012, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Goldie.7 on March 26, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 26, 2012, 01:53:33 PM
He's not going anywhere, be it this season or the next.

7 wins in 29, 2 wins in 2012; its beyond piss poor.

1st win was from a player that isn't here no more.
2nd win came via a goalkeeping error.

It's just embarrassing now the board must know this over anything, I think he'll be gone in the next month slash 6 weeks and good riddance too.

What a great day. I've been asleep all day just woke up to the news!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chipsticks on May 14, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 06:09:55 PM
I'm relieved that he's gone. But celebrating sacking your manager is a little bit Wolves.

Just my opinion, and not a criticism of anyone in particular.

I don't care what anyone else thinks, and I don't care how petty it makes us look. We've had very little to celebrate this season, let us have our moment.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
Ugo talking shite on TSport

That makes a change.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay

Another cider opened chez Legion.

I think I'll join my fellow H&V members of the teaching profession and enjoy a beer or two tonight.  Cheers...and here's to starting to feel optimistic again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:32:38 PM
I even opened my precious bottle of Lagavoulin single malt  Islay. oooh worth it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2012, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 06:24:04 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay

Another cider opened chez Legion.

I think I'll join my fellow H&V members of the teaching profession and enjoy a beer or two tonight.  Cheers...and here's to starting to feel optimistic again.

It's only 1.30pm here, but I assure all and sundry that will nail a few pops when I go home tonight. Mrs TV will just have to get used to me being less than useful tonight.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Jimbo on May 14, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
Should I open my bottle of chateauxneuf du pape, I wonder?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough then what has Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 06:39:42 PM
I don't see moaning, I see debate, but each to their own!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
Just seen a funny thing on twitter. A girl called Alex McLeish has tweeted,'' i am Alex Mcleish the girl,not the football manger,RANDOM GUYS STOP TWEETING ME TELLING ME I JUST GOT FIRED''

 Poor girl,funny though.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: clogger on May 14, 2012, 06:41:08 PM




Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: clogger on May 14, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the numbers of season ticket holders saying they were very disappointed with this season and were not renewing/were seriously doubting it had an effect here

Money talks

Conjecture. The club were/are well on course for the same amount of season tickets sold as last year.

I suspect only the club know the actual figures, but if they'd have kept him I'm certain crowds would have fallen again.  30K average I'd have thought.

Oh, granted it's conjecture Stu - like most of the things discussed on here are - but regardless of how many had already renewed and would do so regardless there was a very strong sense that a lot of people were seriously considering not renewing -and more to the point, were telling the Marketing/Ticket office so.

It was also very clear from the sheer number of calls we were getting that there was much more concern from the Villa this year about getting existing ST holders to renew

Totally agree with Risso that the attendances would continue to drop if a change hadn't been made
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 14, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Gareth Barry and James Milner are on an open-topped bus right now. *They* have something to celebrate.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 14, 2012, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
Gareth Barry and James Milner are on an open-topped bus right now. *They* have something to celebrate.

Too right they have: once a Villa man, always a Villa man...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
Ugo talking shite on TSport

That makes a change.

He said

If he had not come from blose , he would have had an extra season .....FFS
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
On a more sober note: ain't it great that even the PR  from the Club was no nonesense. None of this bloody "mutual consent" crap.

The results, performance, entertainment and mostly expectations of a club like Aston Villa were not met: so f off. You are effin nicked mate. Fired.

I liked that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:45:05 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 06:23:03 PM
Ugo talking shite on TSport

That makes a change.

He said

If he had not come from blose , he would have had an extra season .....FFS

I dont know why the media bother with certain ex players. Just because they played for us years ago,doesn't mean they have their fingers on the Villa pulse.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ron Manager on May 14, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Gentlemen (and Ladies) Ive had 6hrs to digest this news and I think we are maybe getting a little over excited at this stage.
Mr McCleish has gone (with a nice cheque!) and Mr Lerner has issued a statement that uses for once the right words.

We seem to be expecting that nice Mr Lambert to be arriving at Villa Park tommorrow morning to sign on the dotted line.
But maybe he was putting feelers out to other big clubs yesterday. For all we know Mr Faulkner is on the phone to Fergie at this moment asking for specialist advice

"Och that Steve Keen at Blackburn hes a promising talent..and Scotch too boot"

Ooh thanks Sir Alex Ill tell Randy straight away!

With Aston Villa anything is possible and I still believe our next manager will be David Moyes
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
On a more sober note: ain't it great that even the PR  from the Club was no nonesense. None of this bloody "mutual consent" crap.

The results, performance, entertainment and mostly expectations of a club like Aston Villa were not met: so f off. You are effin nicked mate. Fired.

I liked that.

Me too.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
Quote from: TheZogman on May 14, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
I've been on cloud nine since I heard at about 4 o'clock. Quite frankly the happiest I've felt in weeks.

Me too, i keep humming villa songs to myself. My housemates think I'm nuts!!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
On a more sober note: ain't it great that even the PR  from the Club was no nonesense. None of this bloody "mutual consent" crap.

The results, performance, entertainment and mostly expectations of a club like Aston Villa were not met: so f off. You are effin nicked mate. Fired.

I liked that.

Me too.

I didn't. I see no reason why they couldn't have at least included the usual "we thank him for his efforts and wish him the best for the future".

He conducted himself with dignity and showed respect for the club's history. I see no reason not to be respectful to him in the statement.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 14, 2012, 06:59:38 PM
Quote from: John on May 14, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Gentlemen (and Ladies) Ive had 6hrs to digest this news and I think we are maybe getting a little over excited at this stage.
Mr McCleish has gone (with a nice cheque!) and Mr Lerner has issued a statement that uses for once the right words.

We seem to be expecting that nice Mr Lambert to be arriving at Villa Park tommorrow morning to sign on the dotted line.
But maybe he was putting feelers out to other big clubs yesterday. For all we know Mr Faulkner is on the phone to Fergie at this moment asking for specialist advice

"Och that Steve Keen at Blackburn hes a promising talent..and Scotch too boot"

Ooh thanks Sir Alex Ill tell Randy straight away!

With Aston Villa anything is possible and I still believe our next manager will be David Moyes

LOL...do you still believe in Father Christmas too?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 14, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
On a more sober note: ain't it great that even the PR  from the Club was no nonesense. None of this bloody "mutual consent" crap.

The results, performance, entertainment and mostly expectations of a club like Aston Villa were not met: so f off. You are effin nicked mate. Fired.

I liked that.

Me too.

I didn't. I see no reason why they couldn't have at least included the usual "we thank him for his efforts and wish him the best for the future".

He conducted himself with dignity and showed respect for the club's history. I see no reason not to be respectful to him in the statement.

They did. Paul Faulkner said "We'd like to thank Alex for his hard work and efforts throughout this tough season".
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

Rodgers got Swans up, not Martinez, he was busy fighting relegation last year with Wigan. Oh, and Lambert's team finished 9 points above us without ever being involved in the relegation scrap. Not arguing btw, just posting the alternative viewpoint!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 14, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: cdvillafan on May 14, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 14, 2012, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Simba on May 14, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
On a more sober note: ain't it great that even the PR  from the Club was no nonesense. None of this bloody "mutual consent" crap.

The results, performance, entertainment and mostly expectations of a club like Aston Villa were not met: so f off. You are effin nicked mate. Fired.

I liked that.

Me too.

I didn't. I see no reason why they couldn't have at least included the usual "we thank him for his efforts and wish him the best for the future".

He conducted himself with dignity and showed respect for the club's history. I see no reason not to be respectful to him in the statement.

They did. Paul Faulkner said "We'd like to thank Alex for his hard work and efforts throughout this tough season".

Fair enough, I didn't notice that bit... they never mentioned it on Sky or Midlands Today.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Klaus Katt on May 14, 2012, 07:07:09 PM
The hostage is alive and safe.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 06:49:03 PM

Me too, i keep humming villa songs to myself. My housemates think I'm nuts!!!!
Haven't they heard 'A knock-kneed chicken and a bow-legged hen' before?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
I'm glad the right things been done, but Randy is the one who should have done the firing, and for him not to be is a big dissapointment
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

Rodgers got Swans up, not Martinez, he was busy fighting relegation last year with Wigan. Oh, and Lambert's team finished 9 points above us without ever being involved in the relegation scrap. Not arguing btw, just posting the alternative viewpoint!
Martinez got Swansea promoted to the championship and it was Rodgers who became manager of a Martinez team.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:11:38 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

So an awful Villa season is a great one for Martinez and Wigan? I'm glad we agree :P

Martinez is not the man, I fully believe he'd get us relegated. We need someone with steel, something that I don't think Martinez has got enough of.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 14, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
I'm glad the right things been done, but Randy is the one who should have done the firing, and for him not to be is a big dissapointment

I couldn't care less.  McLeish resigned by email last year, so at least he was shown more respect in a face to face meeting than he showed last summer.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 14, 2012, 07:13:21 PM
Owen Coyle?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 14, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 14, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
I'm glad the right things been done, but Randy is the one who should have done the firing, and for him not to be is a big dissapointment

I couldn't care less.  McLeish resigned by email last year, so at least he was shown more respect in a face to face meeting than he showed last summer.

Fair point, just wish he had been interested in it enough to get rid of him hinself

DC5 - Definitely
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: eastie on May 14, 2012, 07:20:03 PM
I see ranieri has expressed an interest in the villa job according to ssn- interesting option but lambert is the man id choose.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 14, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
Should I open my bottle of chateauxneuf du pape, I wonder?

Did somebody mention wine?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: John on May 14, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Gentlemen (and Ladies) Ive had 6hrs to digest this news and I think we are maybe getting a little over excited at this stage.
Mr McCleish has gone (with a nice cheque!) and Mr Lerner has issued a statement that uses for once the right words.

We seem to be expecting that nice Mr Lambert to be arriving at Villa Park tommorrow morning to sign on the dotted line.
But maybe he was putting feelers out to other big clubs yesterday. For all we know Mr Faulkner is on the phone to Fergie at this moment asking for specialist advice

"Och that Steve Keen at Blackburn hes a promising talent..and Scotch too boot"

Ooh thanks Sir Alex Ill tell Randy straight away!

With Aston Villa anything is possible and I still believe our next manager will be David Moyes

Moyes won't be manager though on behalf of Villa fans I return the compliment and insist Sir Fergie find a role for his genius accolyte Mr A McLeish at the Theatre of Shite
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 07:23:25 PM
I see the official site is now pushing season tickets again!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Ranieri has more sacks than Santa - no thanks
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Why not?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:29:43 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Why not?

Failed to deliver in his last few jobs, I'd say. He's no slouch and the clubs on his resume are fantastic, but did he do enough at those jobs?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Why not?

He's too nice, I already told you!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: russon on May 14, 2012, 07:30:43 PM
To give McLeish some credit, you have to say he managed to unite the entire Villa support by the finish
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Why not?

He rarely wins anything. 3 cups all in 90s despite managing clubs like Chelsea, Ath Madrid, Napoli, Valencia, Parma, Juventus, Roma, Inter.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 07:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

Rodgers got Swans up, not Martinez, he was busy fighting relegation last year with Wigan. Oh, and Lambert's team finished 9 points above us without ever being involved in the relegation scrap. Not arguing btw, just posting the alternative viewpoint!
Martinez got Swansea promoted to the championship and it was Rodgers who became manager of a Martinez team.

Correct, and then Rodgers got them promoted to the Prem whilst Martinez danced with relegation last year, then finished higher than him while he diced with relegation again this year without ever having been in the battle. Your point?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:32:33 PM
Does he win the occasional match?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Steve R on May 14, 2012, 07:34:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:27:19 PM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 14, 2012, 04:24:35 PM
Shay Given has tweeted, saying sorry to see McLeish go, he's a good man, but the fans wishes have been granted and they are the soul of the club

Don't quite like how that sounds.

Given is the only person connected with the club who has had an interesting season.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:32:33 PM
Does he win the occasional match?

AM wins the occasional match  ;)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
Yeah, IMO its starting to look like a no brainer now. Considering his non-committal statement when asked about his future at Norwich, it looks like he's hoping for a crack at a bigger club. The only thing is that maybe Liverpool would want him, but at the same time I think they'll go for Van Gaal.

I've heard that KKKenny will "step aside" this summer and his replacement will be AVB.

I think Moyes will wait for a chance at the Man U job. Another season of Citeh winning the title and Fergie could be off. Why risk it by coming to Villa?

I'd go for Lambert but then last year people wanted Owen Coyle and Mark Hughes so what do we know?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 07:44:56 PM
Just think of what we could have had this season with a decent manager:

Instead of buying Hutton we could have spent £4m on a decent midfielder and if we held onto Makoun:

---------------------------Given----------------
Herd/Cueller---------Dunne/Clark-------Collins-------Lichaj/Warnock
Albrighton------Makoun------Petrov/new midfieler-------N'Zogbia
---------------------Ireland-----------------------------------
--------------------------Bent/Gabby

Should have been comfortably top ten this season. There's so much potential at this club. By clearing Heskey, Cueller, Warnock and one of Dunne & Collins there is room to spend money on 4 or 5 good quality players to augment what is on paper a decent looking squad.

The villa job is attractive. Turning us from 16th to top ten will simply involve showing ambition in our tactics having a modern philosophy.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

Rodgers got Swans up, not Martinez, he was busy fighting relegation last year with Wigan. Oh, and Lambert's team finished 9 points above us without ever being involved in the relegation scrap. Not arguing btw, just posting the alternative viewpoint!
Martinez got Swansea promoted to the championship and it was Rodgers who became manager of a Martinez team.

Correct, and then Rodgers got them promoted to the Prem whilst Martinez danced with relegation last year, then finished higher than him while he diced with relegation again this year without ever having been in the battle. Your point?
Wow Rodgers' Swansea were only 4 points better off than shitty Wigan? Well my mind is made up, those 4 points makes all the difference.

What Martinez could do at Wigan/=/What Martinez could do at Villa
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
What Martinez could do at Wigan/=/What Martinez could do at Villa

Yeah, scratch around at the basement of the league before showing some stones in the last month of every season.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
Anyone else noticed the near total lack of "gutted to see the boss go" tweets today from the players?

I was thinking that earlier, and just noticed Mat Kendrick mentioned it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lizz on May 14, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay

I'm working from home tomorrow, time to look for the corkscrew.

I thought McLeish would get another season, happy to be wrong.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Whilst I would take any of Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers, with Martinez I don't think he's a strong enough character to grab the club by the scruff if the neck, which is what we really need.

With Rodgers I am concerned how much of what he's done at Swansea is his work.

I think Lambert worries me in that he risks becoming a junior O'Neill, with the bad bits as well as the good bits.

Of the three, I'd go Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2012, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

Just heard it,makes my piss boil. Murphy talking a lot of sense,saying it was to do with tactics and style of football. The other dicks coming out with rubbish. No one mentioned money spunked by ONeil,even BFR was talking rubbish.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

I listen to this program every week and McGarry is the biggest bollocks talker in the media - considering the competition that is some feat. I think he ghost wrote Lampard's Bio - the one where he said that he played well in the World Cup in 2006, apparently.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2012, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on May 14, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: silhillvilla on May 14, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
Such a shame it's a school night and a Monday or i'd have been out getting bladdered to celebrate
I'm invigilating from 8am tomorrow...

...POP goes another bottle of Chardonnay

I'm working from home tomorrow, time to look for the corkscrew.

I thought McLeish would get another season, happy to be wrong.
I'm supposed to be off the ale in the week, watching my belly. I have a few in the locker though and the Mrs is at work. I think it would be rude to leave them there after todays news.

Or is that just weak?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: KevinGage on May 14, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 07:21:05 PM
I'd go for Ranieri.

Really Leeg? Over Lambert/etc?

Why not?

Shades of the Houllier appointment.

An older manager who has had a degree of success elsewhere but whose star is on the wane, living off newspaper cuttings of his glory days.

Easier said than done but -like the players we should realistically be targeting- we should be looking at a manager who wants to make his reputation with us and have the best years of his career here.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 08:10:30 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:32:18 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 07:01:35 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: The Situation on May 14, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: D.boy link=topic=46130.msg2049700#msg204970t..[quote author=D.boy on May 14, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
I think we should be looking to do better than Martinez to be honest.  He hasn't set the world alight at Wigan (granted he got some unexpected results at the end of the season) but if Villa are planning on a relegation fight each season then Ok. We should be aiming for higher though.
I heard this same nonsense last summer.

Can people stop this elitist mentality and being all like "he's not good enough" "we deserve better". It's embarrassing. We aren't Real Madrid. We need to think outside the box. It's not necessarily about who is/isn't good enough, its about who is the right man for the job.

If Martinez isn't good enough than what have Rodgers or Lambert done in their first premier league season to show they're better? Lots of new promoted teams will have a good first season and the manager of that promoted team will get hyped up and then the following season things don't go so well and people wonder if it was all a fluke.

I'm not saying Martinez should be our new manager all I'm saying is that he should be carefully considered just like all potential candidates. I'm just sick of all this moaning.

When looking at Lambert, it's the fact that he's got Norwich back into the Prem from League 1 in 3 consecutive seasons.

Considering Martinez, his teams are shit, don't turn up until April, and turned us down last year.
His Swansea team weren't shit. He got them promoted. And his shit Wigan team has finished 5 points ahead of us.

Rodgers got Swans up, not Martinez, he was busy fighting relegation last year with Wigan. Oh, and Lambert's team finished 9 points above us without ever being involved in the relegation scrap. Not arguing btw, just posting the alternative viewpoint!
Martinez got Swansea promoted to the championship and it was Rodgers who became manager of a Martinez team.

Correct, and then Rodgers got them promoted to the Prem whilst Martinez danced with relegation last year, then finished higher than him while he diced with relegation again this year without ever having been in the battle. Your point?
Wow Rodgers' Swansea were only 4 points better off than shitty Wigan? Well my mind is made up, those 4 points makes all the difference.

What Martinez could do at Wigan/=/What Martinez could do at Villa

Okay, you're a huge Martinez fan, I get that, carry on ignoring the facts and figures. Two seasons avoiding relegation without much improvement is obviously better to you than one season doing no such thing. Fair enough.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TheEgo on May 14, 2012, 08:17:01 PM
Are we really thinking, Ranieri? And god forbid Coyle? That was a wind up right? Let's aim a little higher (at least to start with).

I'd personally ask the question of AVB, then sound out Van Gaal, Benitez. I just hope they don't go,left field and get someone like Bob Bradley or an ex villa fan player like Southgate.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: KevinGage on May 14, 2012, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Whilst I would take any of Martinez, Lambert or Rodgers, with Martinez I don't think he's a strong enough character to grab the club by the scruff if the neck, which is what we really need.

With Rodgers I am concerned how much of what he's done at Swansea is his work.

I think Lambert worries me in that he risks becoming a junior O'Neill, with the bad bits as well as the good bits.

Of the three, I'd go Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez in that order.

There is a risk with all of them Paulie, as you've outlined there.

If this was 2010 again, I'd say we need more of a sure thing, to give us the best possible chance of maybe having a dart at a top 4 slot.   With the players we then had, it wouldn't have been a completely unreasonable aspiration (rather than expectation).

But we are in a different place now (for good or for ill) and after this missing season, most of us might be more receptive to an element of risk.

I think back to Brian Little and JG, both managers who served the club well despite modest experience and success elsewhere.   Sir Brian had only just got Leicester promoted and they were struggling -he didn't even have a full season in the topflight under his belt, in contrast to Lambert and Rodgers.  JG left Wycombe whilst they were mid table in the lower divisions.

Yet they were two of our better post war managers.  I'm sure part of the justification by some will be that they 'knew the club.'    But Aston Villa in the mid 90's was a different animal to Aston Villa in the 70's. 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: DB on May 14, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

I listen to this program every week and McGarry is the biggest bollocks talker in the media - considering the competition that is some feat. I think he ghost wrote Lampard's Bio - the one where he said that he played well in the World Cup in 2006, apparently.

McGarry talks utter sh*t, he said a few weeks ago when AM was under pressure that Villa had a coach that won a trophy last season, something that we hadn't done in years - true, but he failed to mention that he also been relgated x2 in 3 seasons. Bellends like him just look at stuff to suit their argument, not bothering with the full facts. The bit he said about MON pushing on when we were 6th & Randy saying no to more cash - Jesus, does he know how much he spent to get us to 6th!

I was dissapointed to hear Ron say it was his ties with City why he wasn't given a fair chance. NOOOO, he's just not a good manager.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

Managers Fremasonary. All support each other. All sat in each others chair. No-one can defend AMc this season. Results, or 'style'  -especially BFR. He always bragged about his entertainment value.

Oh btw- I found my '94 LCF Man U programme yesterday ( moving house, coming back home) so if anyone wants it , in good nick PM me. Few pints will do it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
A lot is going to depend on how much we have to spend and more importantly, the budget for wages. That will open or shut doors for a lot of managers and will mean the difference between the top, top managers (Benetiz, AVB, Ancelloti)  and the next level down (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez).

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: DB on May 14, 2012, 08:24:38 PM
No to Martinez, we need a manager who's teams can get results all through the season. I don't want us to be fighting relegation with another manager.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Simba on May 14, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
It will be interesting to see quite how high we aim after this debacle. And of course the talk about a DoF changes the dynamic.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:26:19 PM
Quote from: DB on May 14, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

I listen to this program every week and McGarry is the biggest bollocks talker in the media - considering the competition that is some feat. I think he ghost wrote Lampard's Bio - the one where he said that he played well in the World Cup in 2006, apparently.

McGarry talks utter sh*t, he said a few weeks ago when AM was under pressure that Villa had a coach that won a trophy last season, something that we hadn't done in years - true, but he failed to mention that he also been relgated x2 in 3 seasons. Bellends like him just look at stuff to suit their argument, not bothering with the full facts. The bit he said about MON pushing on when we were 6th & Randy saying no to more cash - Jesus, does he know how much he spent to get us to 6th!

I was dissapointed to hear Ron say it was his ties with City why he wasn't given a fair chance. NOOOO, he's just not a good manager.

Agree about BFR - he should know better.

McGarry is a Twunt. Wages were 88% of turnover after MON/Houllier spending spree. Under FFP we won't be able to have 15-16 players on 2m+. We have to cut cloth accordingly. MON walked because he couldn't sell any of those on huge wages because no-one else would pay them.

He is now talking bollocks about Hodgson because his mate Appy Arry didn't get the England gig. Ask Southampton fans did they enjoy relegation under Arry.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: DB on May 14, 2012, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
Pat Murphy defending Villa's decision on 5Live. While Big Ron, Mcgarry etc are saying he shouldn't have been sacked. The usual tripe of Birmingham, good football man and having Young and Downing sold from under him.

I listen to this program every week and McGarry is the biggest bollocks talker in the media - considering the competition that is some feat. I think he ghost wrote Lampard's Bio - the one where he said that he played well in the World Cup in 2006, apparently.

McGarry talks utter sh*t, he said a few weeks ago when AM was under pressure that Villa had a coach that won a trophy last season, something that we hadn't done in years - true, but he failed to mention that he also been relgated x2 in 3 seasons. Bellends like him just look at stuff to suit their argument, not bothering with the full facts. The bit he said about MON pushing on when we were 6th & Randy saying no to more cash - Jesus, does he know how much he spent to get us to 6th!

I was dissapointed to hear Ron say it was his ties with City why he wasn't given a fair chance. NOOOO, he's just not a good manager.

Great text from a Villa fan that they read out at the end of the Villa analysis on R5 saying that real football people who had been down the Villa this season and knew the midlands scene were against Mcleish because of the style of play unlike the media premadonnas who know absolutely bog all. The silence from McGarry et al in the studio was deafening. In fairness, Murphy, who I detest, totally supported our viewpoint, stating clearly that it had nothing to do with him coming from across the city
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 08:26:31 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on May 14, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
Should I open my bottle of chateauxneuf du pape, I wonder?
If you can get a Chβteauneuf-du-Pape, open that instead.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: avfcpg on May 14, 2012, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
A lot is going to depend on how much we have to spend and more importantly, the budget for wages. That will open or shut doors for a lot of managers and will mean the difference between the top, top managers (Benetiz, AVB, Ancelloti)  and the next level down (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez).



Pretty much it in a nutshell for me. I would say it will be the latter. Look here's £20-£30 million, a good set of kids and the current squad. Show us what you are made of a make a real name for yourself....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 14, 2012, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on May 14, 2012, 08:27:27 PM
Quote from: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:21:09 PM
A lot is going to depend on how much we have to spend and more importantly, the budget for wages. That will open or shut doors for a lot of managers and will mean the difference between the top, top managers (Benetiz, AVB, Ancelloti)  and the next level down (Lambert, Rodgers, Martinez).



And that is the most practical and realistic approach and in the best interests of the club.

Pretty much it in a nutshell for me. I would say it will be the latter. Look here's £20-£30 million, a good set of kids and the current squad. Show us what you are made of a make a real name for yourself....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 08:33:03 PM
Do we need to lock this one or merge it with the 'next manager' thread? It's hard to keep up with two threads debating the same thing and there are interesting viewpoints now on both!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
Do we really think there is going to be £30m for the new manager to spend?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Agree with you James, time to have just the one thread
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: avfcpg on May 14, 2012, 08:40:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
Do we really think there is going to be £30m for the new manager to spend?

He'll have to have some sort of kitty made available to spend for a new man (I would hope so anyway). We found £20 million for Bent when we had to so am ever hopeful. Any new manager will want to bring "his" type of players in anyway.
Reducing the wage bill was a step in the right direction.
Getting shot of AM was another.
The next few steps should be interesting.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 14, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
BFR talking shite on the radio. 'He didn't get a fair crack'. HE HAD A WHOLE SEASON, AND WE GOT WORSE
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:49:01 PM
It's more to do with wages than transfer fees though. We have cut massive amounts in the past 18th months, off the top of my head...

Young           £40k pw
Downing       £40K pw
Beye            £40k pw
Heskey         £50k pw
Cuellar         £30k pw
Sadly Petrov too £40k pw

£200k+ per week off the books will give any new manager a fair bit to play with and that's before any wheeling and dealing.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Wilfred the Hairy on May 14, 2012, 08:53:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 14, 2012, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
Greatest. Picture. Ever.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/SackAM.jpg)

Tis a thing of beauty.

Can we just refer to him as 'The Scottish Manager' from now on?


Ha ha! Very good.
Yes, "the Scottish Manager" will do nicely. Here's the drill for anyone who utters the word "McLeish":

"When the name of the manager is spoken, tradition requires the person who spoke it to leave, perform traditional cleansing rituals and be invited back in. The rituals include turning three times, spitting over one's left shoulder, swearing, or reciting a line either from, or referring to, another Villa manager. Popular lines for this purpose include "You wanna bet against us?", "with your customary 110% support" and "We’re not fickle, we just don’t like you". A more elaborate cleansing ritual involves leaving the room, spinning around and brushing oneself off, and saying "McGrath" three times before entering again."
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 08:53:58 PM
Guzan and Marshall out of contract now too, though not in the same bracket moneywise I should think!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:55:29 PM
I bet Guzan is on a decent enough wedge. £10k + at least.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
BFR talking shite on the radio. 'He didn't get a fair crack'. HE HAD A WHOLE SEASON, AND WE GOT WORSE

Yep absolute bollocks.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 08:55:56 PM
Quote from: richard moore on May 14, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
Agree with you James, time to have just the one thread

Almost agree! Can we get this thread back on topic to saying goodbye to Alex? If not I'll merge/lock and we can all look to our hopes, dreams, wishes and desires as to who our future manager will be.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
Bye Alex... enjoy your time at Aberdeen or Dunfermline.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 08:59:12 PM
I'd just like to say that now that he's gone, I have no ill will towards him and good luck to him in the future. I think he did genuinely respect our history, but he just wasn't up to the job at all. He should have resigned, but at the same time he probably believed he could turn it round. So from my perspective no hard feelings now that he's gone.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Has McLeish released a statement?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Eigentor on May 14, 2012, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
BFR talking shite on the radio. 'He didn't get a fair crack'. HE HAD A WHOLE SEASON, AND WE GOT WORSE

Fair point. If we had been abysmal in the first half of the season but steadily improving, the case for giving McLeish another season would have been stronger. Even factoring in the injuries the truth is that we got steadily worse with Big Eck in the hot seat.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Summers on May 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
talksport are about to spend some time talking about Villa now.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Has McLeish released a statement?

"I'm sorry and here's the £2m you paid me, go and buy a full-back that knows what the position entails." AM
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 14, 2012, 09:02:47 PM
  I agree with those sentiments PaulW.The wrong appointment, not his fault.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 14, 2012, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 08:34:28 PM
Do we really think there is going to be £30m for the new manager to spend?

aye. whoever comes in will have the same problem - basically a threadbare and shit team. The easy bit was sacking the manager, the hard bit is finding someone who can do much better with the same resources. Haven't read anything from the club saying McLeish refused to spend the 20m they pocketed last season in transfers
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 13, 2012, 10:39:20 PM
I still think he has blagued more time out of the owner and the board.

What is the only real force opposed to him?   It is us, the fans, who want him out.

The owner and the board on the other hand -

Do not want to waste a penny more of managerial compo

They told him to cut the wages bill.   It is cut as of the departure of Tumbling Bear and the rest get ejected from their VP comfort zone.

They said keep us in the Premiership.   He did.

He is the owner's personal choice.   The owner is the billionaire son of a billionaire and has in all certainty had his own way every day of his life.   He has fuck you money and is just as likely to say fuck you to the fans as to any other party.

In the same way that a hawthorn seed cannot germinate until it has been through the gut of a bird the reality of what has happened at Villa Park cannot be appreciated by the owner and the board until it has been consumed and regurgitated by the media.   Thus they believe the bullshit about McLeish's "bad luck" and "having had the Villa fans on his back since day one" and having to put out a team "of youth team players to fight relegation"   They are so naive and devoid of football nous that all they know about the game is what they read in the papers and see on television.

The way things stand as I see it at the moment, in the eyes of the owner and the board McLeish has the white hat and the fans have all the black ones.   He will stay until the media tell them his time is up.

Your thoughts now?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
talksport are about to spend some time talking about Villa now.

Collymore talking sense on Gary Neville, no Villa stuff yet!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
I think Collymore likes the sound of his own voice too much.  He's just compared Gary Neville being chosen as an England coach to Graeme Souness. Eh Stan?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Has McLeish released a statement?
I think he's having it drawn up.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
talksport are about to spend some time talking about Villa now.

I never thought I'd say this, but in fairness to Neville he talked a lot of sense on Sky Sports, a lot more than the other pundits. I think he probably does have clue about football.

Collymore talking sense on Gary Neville, no Villa stuff yet!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:26:19 PM
Pat Murphy -

"Alex McLeish's Birmingham City past was irrelevant - his playing style and results did for him at Aston Villa.

"If he had won just five of 17 drawn games in the Premier League, the club would have finished in about 10th place and he would have had more time to prove himself.

"He ought to have banked more points in the first half of the season, when the squad was at full strength, before injuries and illness dogged him in the last three months.

"But losing 22 points from winning positions, coupled with a 9% drop in home attendance and the prospect of poor season ticket sales prompted owner Randy Lerner to don his ruthless businessman's hat and sack the manager he appointed just 11 months ago."

He sums it up nicely for me.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
talksport are about to spend some time talking about Villa now.

I never thought I'd say this, but in fairness to Neville he talked a lot of sense on Sky Sports, a lot more than the other pundits. I think he probably does have clue about football.

Collymore talking sense on Gary Neville, no Villa stuff yet!

That's Collymore's point though, just because he talked sense on Sky doesn't mean he's a good appointment for England. Plus, there's a conflict of interest between coaching and media work in regard to the national team isn't there?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.

"Alex Ferguson is the best manager is history"

Oh rly?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rigadon on May 14, 2012, 09:30:03 PM
In an industry as ruthless as top level sport, he deserved the sack and got it.   Can't really fault the way it was dealt with and I'd expect him not to come out with any bollocks over the next few weeks about Blues connections etc.  If that happens I'm willing to forgive and forget (the latter being most import).

Lets have some excitement and a few smiles.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: hartman_1982 on May 14, 2012, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.

"Alex Ferguson is the best manager is history"

Oh rly?

Hard to say he isn't atleast one of them.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.

"Alex Ferguson is the best manager is history"

Oh rly?

Is he? Clough. Shankley. Paisley. Saunders. Barton. Ramsey.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 14, 2012, 09:31:20 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 08:59:12 PM
I'd just like to say that now that he's gone, I have no ill will towards him and good luck to him in the future. I think he did genuinely respect our history, but he just wasn't up to the job at all. He should have resigned, but at the same time he probably believed he could turn it round. So from my perspective no hard feelings now that he's gone.

Well said.

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Has McLeish released a statement?
I think he's having it drawn up.

Would they not have got a vow of silence agreement out of him the way they did with MON?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.

"Alex Ferguson is the best manager is history"

Oh rly?

Is he? Clough. Shankley. Paisley. Saunders. Barton. Ramsey.

How about adding Shankly and Ramsay as well?  ;)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Bloody keyboard playing up yet again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on May 14, 2012, 09:28:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
What a shock, first caller is a cockney Manure fan.

"Alex Ferguson is the best manager is history"

Oh rly?

Is he? Clough. Shankley. Paisley. Saunders. Barton. Ramsey.

That's what the cockney red said on squawksport.

I'd say he was amongst the best ever, but not the best. For me, Wenger changing the entire philosophy of Arsenal and how they are perceived has been as much of an achievement.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Yes, he's a great manager. Just not the best.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 09:37:59 PM
Just had a thought - can we send the bill for AM's contract settlement to Fergie?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:38:17 PM
If you could be arsed I'd imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to make a case for Fergie as best manager ever, in time it will be more widely accepted.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: LamBeast on May 14, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
I thank the Lord!!!!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2012, 09:41:46 PM
Has Grant gone?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
It's a tough one when you look at the trophies and how he changed manu from the nearly team to dominating English football. Good debate to have, but maybe not here and now!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: Bad English on May 14, 2012, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on May 14, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
Has McLeish released a statement?
I think he's having it drawn up.

Very good.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: damon loves JT on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

Claps.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 14, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

Claps.

Booing would be more apt.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: tremzvillain on May 14, 2012, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: James on May 14, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Summers on May 14, 2012, 09:00:25 PM
talksport are about to spend some time talking about Villa now.

Collymore talking sense on Gary Neville, no Villa stuff yet!

Is it just me, or did this 'villa chat' not happen at all?!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 14, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

And very good as well.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 10:07:42 PM
No it didn't.  But it's all happening on here!
Well, not this thread but, look at the window on the left and it's all about the Villa!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 14, 2012, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Legion on May 14, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

Claps.

Elite wit folks.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
From twitter @OllieHoltMirror: Feel sorry for Alex McLeish who never really had chance at Villa with his Birmingham past. Daft appointment by Lerner. Marriage made in hell

This sort of thing really boils my piss. They have no idea.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Jimbo on May 14, 2012, 10:41:52 PM
Wilful ignorance is the worst kind.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

And very good as well.

none of his pens he is using to write the statement  are working properly but he will address this soon, the pens need to sort themselves out. he doesnt tell the pens not to work 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: AV82EC on May 14, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
From twitter @OllieHoltMirror: Feel sorry for Alex McLeish who never really had chance at Villa with his Birmingham past. Daft appointment by Lerner. Marriage made in hell

This sort of thing really boils my piss. They have no idea.

Its Oliver Holt, its no real surprise.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:48:28 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on May 14, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
From twitter @OllieHoltMirror: Feel sorry for Alex McLeish who never really had chance at Villa with his Birmingham past. Daft appointment by Lerner. Marriage made in hell

This sort of thing really boils my piss. They have no idea.

Its Oliver Holt, its no real surprise.


monotoned gimp
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 14, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
Quote from: villajk on May 14, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: damon green on May 14, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
He's got a point.

And very good as well.

none of his pens he is using to write the statement  are working properly but he will address this soon, the pens need to sort themselves out. he doesnt tell the pens not to work 

Quite, and he's sitting on a chair at the opposite side of the room to them because his missus is in the way!  ;)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:04:45 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on May 14, 2012, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: charleeco7 on May 14, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
From twitter @OllieHoltMirror: Feel sorry for Alex McLeish who never really had chance at Villa with his Birmingham past. Daft appointment by Lerner. Marriage made in hell

This sort of thing really boils my piss. They have no idea.

Its Oliver Holt, its no real surprise.

and he gets paid for the shite he comes out .  pube head c**k sucker
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Californian Villain on May 14, 2012, 11:28:56 PM
This is spot on:

Quote from: Stuart James in the Guardian
Villa's fans never accepted McLeish from the moment he arrived, although that had more to do with his record of being relegated twice with Birmingham City and a reputation for playing dull football than the fact that he came from their arch-rivals. Villa won only seven Premier League matches during McLeish's time in charge and managed 37 goals in 38 fixtures. Entertainment was conspicuous by its absence.

full article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/14/roberto-martinez-aston-villa-alex-mcleish)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Mazrim on May 14, 2012, 11:30:30 PM
Can I just say I'd really love to put my fist through Oliver Holts chubby mug. I think I may have said something similar a few times.

He really is nauseatingly shit.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ad@m on May 14, 2012, 11:46:25 PM
Rob Shepherd's being as much of a prick...

Quote from: Rob Shepherd
Aston Villa owner keeps selling best players then blames the manager..look forward to their relegation next season

I can only assume they spout this shit to be deliberately controversial.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Woody on May 14, 2012, 11:48:36 PM
AVST statement from earlier on:

"The sacking of Alex McLeish today comes as no surprise to Villa supporters who have endured a season of sub-standard performances home and away, with the team not set out to go for a win. The statistics of this season very much reflect the views held at the start of the season, including those made by the Trust at the time, that Alex McLeish’s premiership record may lead to sterile football and potentially a struggling side. Our worst fears were confirmed.

We have survived relegation as much by the failings of others and the Board have taken the action required. We now request that the Board review their criteria and engage suitable experienced football executives in the short term to select the right manager for Aston Villa to play football to win, re-engage supporters in the Club they love, and bring enjoyment and the crowds back to match days. Longer term the Board should expand their number by appointing an experienced football man to support the existing executive team, and having non-executives who can support both the football and commercial side of the Club.

The fans of Villa look forward to the appointment of a forward thinking manager and the return of excitement to Villa Park."
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:50:05 PM
There is a sense of deja vu at Aston Villa. A little less than 12 months after Gιrard Houllier's brief and thoroughly underwhelming reign as manager came to end, Alex McLeish drove out of the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground for the last time on Monday, sacked on the back of a season that proved to be even more disastrous than the one that had gone before.

Villa, in other words, have got two managerial appointments wrong in quick succession. They can ill afford to make it a hat-trick.

In the case of Houllier, there were mitigating circumstances, with Martin O'Neill's decision to walk out on Villa five days before the start of the 2010‑11 season leaving the club high and dry when it came to scouring the market for a replacement. Houllier, however, still felt like a left‑field choice. He had not managed in the Premier League for six years and had suffered serious health problems in the past which would resurface later in the season and contribute to his early departure in June last year.

What followed was a mess. Villa invited Steve McClaren for an interview but then cancelled on him after an angry backlash from supporters on message boards. Next they tried and failed to lure Roberto Martνnez from Wigan Athletic. And then they made the decision which is still hard to fathom to this day, not because McLeish was with Birmingham City, Villa's arch rivals, but because he had just suffered his second relegation in three Premier League seasons and was synonymous with a negative brand of football that leads to draws and a lack of goals.

Villa, in short, got what it said on the tin when they gave McLeish a three-year contract last summer. Although McLeish is an amiable man and has handled the abuse he has received this season in a dignified manner, the brutal truth is that his teams are boring to watch. Villa won only seven Premier League matches all season, managed just 37 goals in 38 matches and finished with 38 points, only two more than relegated Bolton Wanderers.

Randy Lerner, the club's owner, has not been able to visit Villa Park on many occasions this season but he watches matches on a live feed from the United States and has sat in frustration at the depressing events unfolding in front of him. Last month, however, Lerner had first-hand experience of just how bleak things had become on and off the pitch at the club, when he dropped in to Villa Park for the game against Bolton. Villa lost 2-1 and the supporters directed ferocious abuse at McLeish. It was the tipping point for Lerner.

He made the decision to stick with McLeish for the final three games of the season but it was never going to be any longer. McLeish's position had become untenable. Attendances had plummeted, the fans protests were loud and clear and results were calamitous. Two points were collected in the games against West Bromwich Albion and Tottenham Hotspur to drag Villa over the line before the season finished with an abject display against Norwich City which sealed McLeish's fate. "Brutal" is how one club insider described the performance at Carrow Road.

Villa had to act and they did so swiftly, cutting McLeish loose less than 24 hours after the season ended. Lerner and Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, got that decision right and now they must follow it up with an appointment that will galvanise and revive the club and give the supporters something to cling to after two miserable seasons. Lerner admitted as much in the statement that accompanied confirmation of McLeish's dismissal yesterday afternoon.

"We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years," Lerner said. "Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent. The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

Villa are still putting together their shortlist but they want a young and hungry manager who will reinvigorate the club, which should be music to the ears of the club's fans. Martνnez, who is the early favourite, Brendan Rodgers at Swansea City and Norwich City's Paul Lambert would all appear to fit the bill, and it is possible an appointment could be made as early as next week.

Hiring and firing managers has become an expensive business for Villa, who revealed in their last set of accounts that they spent £12m in "exceptional charges" in 2010-11 relating to changing the club's "management personnel". McLeish's sacking will come at a cost and it looks likely that more compensation will have to be paid to another club for their manager. It has never been in doubt that Lerner is willing to put his hand in his pocket for Villa. What he now needs to do, though, is recruit a decent football manager.





Guardian
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2012, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 14, 2012, 11:46:25 PM
Rob Shepherd's being as much of a prick...

Quote from: Rob Shepherd
Aston Villa owner keeps selling best players then blames the manager..look forward to their relegation next season



Luv,
Martin.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 14, 2012, 11:59:23 PM
Who is this Rob Shepherd and was he dropped on his head by an aston villa owner at a tender age? 
What an agenda.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Matt C on May 15, 2012, 12:00:42 AM
The Guardian: "It has never been in doubt that Lerner is willing to put his hand in his pocket for Villa. What he now needs to do, though, is recruit a decent football manager."

Amen.

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.

No, fuck him, he rode in knowing the gig, shit out completely and walked off with millions.

I'm sure Fred Goodwin's a lovely bloke if you know him, doesn't mean he's not a c**t.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
Each to his own.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2012, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Alex McLeebsh on May 15, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.

No, fuck him, he rode in knowing the gig, shit out completely and walked off with millions.

I'm sure Fred Goodwin's a lovely bloke if you know him, doesn't mean he's not a c**t.

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Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: wookster on May 15, 2012, 12:21:34 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.

In some ways I  feel that AM was a fall guy. He did RLs dirty work by losing the high wage earners and, to a certain extent, bought on some of the youngsters.

The new manager will be working off a fairly fresh canvas
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: bertlambshank on May 15, 2012, 12:30:49 AM
Quote from: wookster on May 15, 2012, 12:21:34 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.

In some ways I  feel that AM was a fall guy. He did RLs dirty work by losing the high wage earners and, to a certain extent, bought on some of the youngsters.

The new manager will be working off a fairly fresh canvas
Who has he got rid of.Only players at the end of contracts,bloody hell I could of done that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2012, 12:34:07 AM

Might have been helpful to start a new thread when the news was announced or put the post number with the thread title.

Apart from that, champion news.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2012, 12:35:25 AM
Feel lovely tonight. Thanks largely to the good people of Magners, and the return of a long lost friend, Mr Hope.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 15, 2012, 05:41:29 AM
Quote from: bigad82 on May 15, 2012, 12:30:49 AM
Quote from: wookster on May 15, 2012, 12:21:34 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
No hard feelings towards Alex Mcleish.  Appointing him was a bizarre decision.  He gave it his best shot, he came up short.  The fact that he ended this season 1 point worse off than when he got relegated last season says it all.

In some ways I  feel that AM was a fall guy. He did RLs dirty work by losing the high wage earners and, to a certain extent, bought on some of the youngsters.

The new manager will be working off a fairly fresh canvas
Who has he got rid of.Only players at the end of contracts,bloody hell I could of done that.
Thats a good point. For all his talk of the wage bll being the priority etc he hasnt actually shifted anyone before their contracts were up, maybe Habib Beye?

Lerners statement is pretty pointed about McLeish talking down our ambition. I had always assumed the constant talking abut costs was directions from Lerner. Now I wonder....
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: brian green on May 15, 2012, 06:22:29 AM
Profound sense of relief that he is going but the senior players - and I include Gabby in that - must accept a very large share of the blame for a truly awful season.   The departure of McLeish is only one of five things which must happen if the healing process between the club and the fans is to begin.

The second thing is that the board must appoint a young, progressive, dynamic, win oriented manager.   The third thing is that that manager is properly funded.  The fourth thing is that unmotivated, bolshy, its-a-Villa-get-together-let's-have-a-punch-up players are shipped out. The fifth thing is that genuine players of quality are brought in, not cast offs or past their play by date or good but weighed down with baggage or nutters (eg Joey Barton) or walking wounded in fact no shopping in football Poundstretchers.

Then we can get on the move again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Nev on May 15, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
There is an audio clip somewhere of Rob Shepard on Talksport arguing with Alan Brazil and Ronnie Irani about depression suffered by sports stars.

It says all you need to know about Shepard that Irani had the moral high ground and made the most thoughtful and insightful points.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2012, 06:52:21 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 14, 2012, 08:59:12 PM
I'd just like to say that now that he's gone, I have no ill will towards him and good luck to him in the future. I think he did genuinely respect our history, but he just wasn't up to the job at all. He should have resigned, but at the same time he probably believed he could turn it round. So from my perspective no hard feelings now that he's gone.

Agree with this.

Some friends of mine (Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool fans) were with him at the WC in South Africa. My first cousin who's a Celtic fan has dealt with in a professional sense in Brum. They were unanimous in the view that he is a decent guy and thought he'd do well at Villa. I hoped he do well as I do for every Villa manager but it didn't work out and the right decision was made today. UTV!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2012, 06:57:00 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on May 14, 2012, 11:50:05 PM
There is a sense of deja vu at Aston Villa. A little less than 12 months after Gιrard Houllier's brief and thoroughly underwhelming reign as manager came to end, Alex McLeish drove out of the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground for the last time on Monday, sacked on the back of a season that proved to be even more disastrous than the one that had gone before.

Villa, in other words, have got two managerial appointments wrong in quick succession. They can ill afford to make it a hat-trick.

In the case of Houllier, there were mitigating circumstances, with Martin O'Neill's decision to walk out on Villa five days before the start of the 2010‑11 season leaving the club high and dry when it came to scouring the market for a replacement. Houllier, however, still felt like a left‑field choice. He had not managed in the Premier League for six years and had suffered serious health problems in the past which would resurface later in the season and contribute to his early departure in June last year.

What followed was a mess. Villa invited Steve McClaren for an interview but then cancelled on him after an angry backlash from supporters on message boards. Next they tried and failed to lure Roberto Martνnez from Wigan Athletic. And then they made the decision which is still hard to fathom to this day, not because McLeish was with Birmingham City, Villa's arch rivals, but because he had just suffered his second relegation in three Premier League seasons and was synonymous with a negative brand of football that leads to draws and a lack of goals.

Villa, in short, got what it said on the tin when they gave McLeish a three-year contract last summer. Although McLeish is an amiable man and has handled the abuse he has received this season in a dignified manner, the brutal truth is that his teams are boring to watch. Villa won only seven Premier League matches all season, managed just 37 goals in 38 matches and finished with 38 points, only two more than relegated Bolton Wanderers.

Randy Lerner, the club's owner, has not been able to visit Villa Park on many occasions this season but he watches matches on a live feed from the United States and has sat in frustration at the depressing events unfolding in front of him. Last month, however, Lerner had first-hand experience of just how bleak things had become on and off the pitch at the club, when he dropped in to Villa Park for the game against Bolton. Villa lost 2-1 and the supporters directed ferocious abuse at McLeish. It was the tipping point for Lerner.

He made the decision to stick with McLeish for the final three games of the season but it was never going to be any longer. McLeish's position had become untenable. Attendances had plummeted, the fans protests were loud and clear and results were calamitous. Two points were collected in the games against West Bromwich Albion and Tottenham Hotspur to drag Villa over the line before the season finished with an abject display against Norwich City which sealed McLeish's fate. "Brutal" is how one club insider described the performance at Carrow Road.

Villa had to act and they did so swiftly, cutting McLeish loose less than 24 hours after the season ended. Lerner and Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, got that decision right and now they must follow it up with an appointment that will galvanise and revive the club and give the supporters something to cling to after two miserable seasons. Lerner admitted as much in the statement that accompanied confirmation of McLeish's dismissal yesterday afternoon.

"We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years," Lerner said. "Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent. The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."

Villa are still putting together their shortlist but they want a young and hungry manager who will reinvigorate the club, which should be music to the ears of the club's fans. Martνnez, who is the early favourite, Brendan Rodgers at Swansea City and Norwich City's Paul Lambert would all appear to fit the bill, and it is possible an appointment could be made as early as next week.

Hiring and firing managers has become an expensive business for Villa, who revealed in their last set of accounts that they spent £12m in "exceptional charges" in 2010-11 relating to changing the club's "management personnel". McLeish's sacking will come at a cost and it looks likely that more compensation will have to be paid to another club for their manager. It has never been in doubt that Lerner is willing to put his hand in his pocket for Villa. What he now needs to do, though, is recruit a decent football manager. Guardian

Couldn't have put it better myself. Lambert please.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: DeeBoy1 on May 15, 2012, 09:11:13 AM
good to see some sections of the media actually 'get it'. Absolutely cracking article.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on May 15, 2012, 09:11:13 AM
good to see some sections of the media actually 'get it'. Absolutely cracking article.

It's taken them along enough, only all season.  And all the time we've all been tarnished with the same brush, ie "they only hate him because of who he used to manage".
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rick_avfc on May 15, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Its about time the media wrote about the real things and not just the fact that Mcleish was from blues.  Still annoyed it has taken them this long to realise the truth that Mcleish, albeit a good man,  is however a rubbish manager.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: supertom on May 15, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on May 15, 2012, 09:11:13 AM
good to see some sections of the media actually 'get it'. Absolutely cracking article.

It's taken them along enough, only all season.  And all the time we've all been tarnished with the same brush, ie "they only hate him because of who he used to manage".

Yeah it's taken long enough. It's as if a lot of the hacks haven't actually watched any of our games (don't blame them there) or looked at the league table. 38 points in a season for this club is absolutely diabolical. It was bad enough last season getting 48.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 15, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
Quote
Lerner had first-hand experience of just how bleak things had become on and off the pitch at the club, when he dropped in to Villa Park for the game against Bolton. Villa lost 2-1 and the supporters directed ferocious abuse at McLeish. It was the tipping point for Lerner.

We can only surmise. But I think it is a reasonable assumption that when the full time whistle went the decision was made.
Full marks to Lerner for firing the gun within 24 hours of the seasons end.

Now make sure that not only the next appointment is right, but that the process is conducted right.
I do not want news of managers being approached then not brought in for interview, I do not want news of managers being approached who then turn us down.
The first real news I want of who it actually is, is when they are as good as at Villa Park ironing out details and are then unveiled. Isn't that how we used to do it?     
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: nick harper on May 15, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 15, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
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Lerner had first-hand experience of just how bleak things had become on and off the pitch at the club, when he dropped in to Villa Park for the game against Bolton. Villa lost 2-1 and the supporters directed ferocious abuse at McLeish. It was the tipping point for Lerner.

We can only surmise. But I think it is a reasonable assumption that when the full time whistle went the decision was made.
Full marks to Lerner for firing the gun within 24 hours of the seasons end.

Now make sure that not only the next appointment is right, but that the process is conducted right.
I do not want news of managers being approached then not brought in for interview, I do not want news of managers being approached who then turn us down.
The first real news I want of who it actually is, is when they are as good as at Villa Park ironing out details and are then unveiled. Isn't that how we used to do it?     

It's clear the last 10 minutes v Bolton shook the club out of its torpor. It was as hostile an atmosphere as I can remember.

Hopefully, we will look back on those two goals in 60 seconds as a massive turning point for AVFC.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: olaftab on May 15, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
I would like to see less or no personal abuse towards McLeish. He is  not a **** or other equal terms. No one should blame him for taking the job and the fact that he was  no good. He has been sacked for that and that is it. Move on.... This thread should be locked now?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 15, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
I would like to see less or no personal abuse towards McLeish. He is  not a **** or other equal terms. No one should blame him for taking the job and the fact that he was  no good. He has been sacked for that and that is it. Move on.... This thread should be locked now?

That's your opinion.  I think he's an absolute c*** personally.  I don't blame him for taking the job, but I do blame him for nearly relegating our club, whilst playing the most mind-numbing football imaginable.  I also blame him for helping to maintain the belief in the press that we didn't accept him because of who he used to manage.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 15, 2012, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: aftab235 on May 15, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
I would like to see less or no personal abuse towards McLeish. He is  not a **** or other equal terms. No one should blame him for taking the job and the fact that he was  no good. He has been sacked for that and that is it. Move on.... This thread should be locked now?

That's your opinion.  I think he's an absolute c*** personally.  I don't blame him for taking the job, but I do blame him for nearly relegating our club, whilst playing the most mind-numbing football imaginable.  I also blame him for helping to maintain the belief in the press that we didn't accept him because of who he used to manage.

In saying that, I genuinly think he planned on the football doing the talking, which it did in the end.

He's a dreadful Manager in many ways, and he's become wealthy on the back of it, so it's hard to feel sorry for him.

Onwards and upwards - NO MORE MISTAKES RANDY.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 15, 2012, 10:38:55 AM
Quote from: Rick_avfc on May 15, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Its about time the media wrote about the real things and not just the fact that Mcleish was from blues.  Still annoyed it has taken them this long to realise the truth that Mcleish, albeit a good man,  is however a rubbish manager.

Just heard Andy Gray say ' He did lose his goalscorer Bent after a quarter of the season'

Get your facts right Andy . 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
BFR quoted as saying McLeish was treated harshly (although he does make a couple of decent points)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cheshire-villa on May 15, 2012, 10:54:59 AM
‎9 wins in 42 competitive games.
 At just 21.43%, the lowest win ratio of any Villa manager in our entire history.
 37goals in 38 PL games.
38points in 38games - the lowest in the PL era.
 2points ahead of relegated Bolton.
 When will morons like Alan Shearer and the clowns on Talksport realise, it had nothing to do with Mcleish being ex-blues. HE WASNT GOOD ENOUGH
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TonyD on May 15, 2012, 11:09:26 AM
He didn't stand a chance from the off IMO.

Because he is shit.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
BFR quoted as saying McLeish was treated harshly (although he does make a couple of decent points)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294


That's disappointing from Ron.  Of course you'd expect most managers to have sympathy with another manager getting the sack, but the Scottish Manager's record was so appalling that to not even mention it is bizarre.  And this statement is just mental:

"If he'd come straight down from Rangers, everyone would have said he's a great signing for them."

Maybe so Ron, but the two relegations and fuck awful football that the Scottish Manager has served up since then should be taken into account, surely?  Or should we give the job to Frank Clark because he got Forest to third once?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:16:06 AM
Alex McLeish's Claret & Blue Army!!

Might as well sing it once now.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)

Murphy has had the royal hump for 6 years now that Lerner won't speak to the press.

Fair enough, it makes his job difficult, but fuck me, to believe him, it's at the root of all our problems.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2012, 11:26:07 AM
i think it is totally unrealistic not to expect people to express extreme views on AM. The past season has been a horror of unimaginable proportions and whilst he in no way shoulders the blame entirely, he has to take a huge degree of responsibility for what went on on the pitch. Yes, he should never have been appointed but he took the job knowing it was the most devisive appointment in our history, knew exactly what to expect, and, predictably was found wanting. People are entitled to get angry after turning up week after week, parting with considerable sums of money and witnessing  the most turgid brand of anti football imaginable. I actually think he got off realy lightly. The only time things got really dark was against Bolton, other than that, given his unique brand of mediocrity, he got an easy ride. And let's face it, none of us are ever going to be rewarded so well for such abject failure. Like Bob Dylan said 'there's no success like failure, and failure is no success at all'. Time to draw a line and for everyone to get back behind the club we all love despite its many faults and failings.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 15, 2012, 11:27:10 AM
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McLeish was justified in mentioning the lengthening injury and illness list towards the end of the season but he had a full complement of players to choose from in the first six months of the campaign, when they lost too many points - 22 - from winning positions.

Blows the 'injuries were the cause of it' theory out of the window
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2012, 11:31:00 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)

Murphy has had the royal hump for 6 years now that Lerner won't speak to the press.

Fair enough, it makes his job difficult, but fuck me, to believe him, it's at the root of all our problems.

To be fair, the title is out of kilter with what is a decent and balanced article.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 11:31:59 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)

Murphy has had the royal hump for 6 years now that Lerner won't speak to the press.

Fair enough, it makes his job difficult, but fuck me, to believe him, it's at the root of all our problems.

It's a good piece until the hobby horse is mounted.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 15, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
He talked a lot of sense last night,unlike the scottish journalist,who was on a complete wind up.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Murphy must be a long time lurker on here as his points are almost a verbatim re-write of some posts i've seen. 

Anyway, has has been said no hard feelings with AML - it didn't work so we moved on - good luck for the future.

Kudos to Randy for pulling the trigger so swiftly, atleast now we'll have time to conduct a decent recruitment. 

The biggest losers here are the Stripeys who'll now have a totally unequal fight on their haqnds when trying to atrtract a top Manager to their Club - in much the same way it might be for us if 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' move KKK upstairs this week.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Murphy must be a long time lurker on here as his points are almost a verbatim re-write of some posts i've seen. 

Anyway, has has been said no hard feelings with AML - it didn't work so we moved on - good luck for the future.

Kudos to Randy for pulling the trigger so swiftly, atleast now we'll have time to conduct a decent recruitment. 

The biggest losers here are the Stripeys who'll now have a totally unequal fight on their haqnds when trying to atrtract a top Manager to their Club - in much the same way it might be for us if 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' move KKK upstairs this week.

I do hope if we both want Lambert the boggies don't get in their first.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on May 15, 2012, 11:40:10 AM
Murphy must be a long time lurker on here as his points are almost a verbatim re-write of some posts i've seen. 

Anyway, has has been said no hard feelings with AML - it didn't work so we moved on - good luck for the future.

Kudos to Randy for pulling the trigger so swiftly, atleast now we'll have time to conduct a decent recruitment. 

The biggest losers here are the Stripeys who'll now have a totally unequal fight on their haqnds when trying to atrtract a top Manager to their Club - in much the same way it might be for us if 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' move KKK upstairs this week.

I do hope if we both want Lambert the boggies don't get in their first.

If he or any other Manager is looking seriously at the Boggies, they'll also sound us out surely.

The Albion Board will be gutted that we've pushed AML so soon - as pecking orders go, we are way above them.  My guess is that is what Randy was thinking too.   Similarly we'll move down the pecking order with a vacancy at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' - it's a game of Managerial chess basically.

What price MON pitching up at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: seanthevillan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Nev on May 15, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
There is an audio clip somewhere of Rob Shepard on Talksport arguing with Alan Brazil and Ronnie Irani about depression suffered by sports stars.

It says all you need to know about Shepard that Irani had the moral high ground and made the most thoughtful and insightful points.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMdk9Oybk4)

Shocking really, and Brazil isn't much better - doesn't seem to think that depression actually exists.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: danlanza on May 15, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: seanthevillan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Nev on May 15, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
There is an audio clip somewhere of Rob Shepard on Talksport arguing with Alan Brazil and Ronnie Irani about depression suffered by sports stars.

It says all you need to know about Shepard that Irani had the moral high ground and made the most thoughtful and insightful points.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMdk9Oybk4)

Shocking really, and Brazil isn't much better - doesn't seem to think that depression actually exists.
That's because Brazil is usually pissed out of his fat face!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 15, 2012, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 15, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: seanthevillan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Nev on May 15, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
There is an audio clip somewhere of Rob Shepard on Talksport arguing with Alan Brazil and Ronnie Irani about depression suffered by sports stars.

It says all you need to know about Shepard that Irani had the moral high ground and made the most thoughtful and insightful points.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMdk9Oybk4)

Shocking really, and Brazil isn't much better - doesn't seem to think that depression actually exists.
That's because Brazil is usually pissed out of his fat face!

I'd really like to punch Alan Brazil repeatedly until his piggy eyes popped out of his big fat head.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 15, 2012, 12:23:14 PM
Quote from: The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit III on May 15, 2012, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: danlanza on May 15, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: seanthevillan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:02 PM
Quote from: Nev on May 15, 2012, 06:29:17 AM
There is an audio clip somewhere of Rob Shepard on Talksport arguing with Alan Brazil and Ronnie Irani about depression suffered by sports stars.

It says all you need to know about Shepard that Irani had the moral high ground and made the most thoughtful and insightful points.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JMdk9Oybk4)

Shocking really, and Brazil isn't much better - doesn't seem to think that depression actually exists.
That's because Brazil is usually pissed out of his fat face!

I'd really like to punch Alan Brazil repeatedly until his piggy eyes popped out of his big fat head.
You get in the queue and wait your turn like all the rest of us
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 15, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 15, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
I do hope if we both want Lambert the boggies don't get in their first.

Lambert to Villa and we let them have Eck, fair compromise?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 15, 2012, 12:43:51 PM
I agree with Risso, the title of the Murphy's article contradicts the content, which many of us on here could have written.  Yes he gets on his hobby horse because Randy won't speak to him, but how many of us would like to hear his vision for the club now?
They have acted swiftly and coupled with the statement I think have had a massive wake up call and the penny has dropped.  They're halfway through clearing out MONs deadwood and we have some bright attacking talent to work with.  A good appointment now, football man on the board, coupled with defensive re-inforcement would show us that they understand.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Fred on May 15, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
I agree with most of what he has said, I think Lerner should communicate to the fans about his plans for the club. Be it on tv/radio or just a interview with the local press.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 15, 2012, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Fred on May 15, 2012, 01:26:17 PM
I agree with most of what he has said, I think Lerner should communicate to the fans about his plans for the club. Be it on tv/radio or just a interview with the local press.

It's not even that difficult, he could write a piece and pop it on the OS, job done! He doesn't need to do interviews, just let us know what he's up to!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Lambert and Payne on May 15, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Apolagies if posted today, but Big Ron thinks McLeish was treated harshly http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 15, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Apolagies if posted today, but Big Ron thinks McLeish was treated harshly http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294

Yes and it's a load of old bollocks. 'Good football man', so what? he wasn't any good at his job.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 15, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 04:39:40 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 15, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Apolagies if posted today, but Big Ron thinks McLeish was treated harshly http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294

Yes and it's a load of old bollocks. 'Good football man', so what? he wasn't any good at his job.


Another mate of Ecks and he does seem to have alot of palsin the game who wont slag him off

. good luck to him he seems a nice guy but that doesnt help us   
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Merv on May 15, 2012, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)

Murphy has had the royal hump for 6 years now that Lerner won't speak to the press.

Fair enough, it makes his job difficult, but fuck me, to believe him, it's at the root of all our problems.

I was thinking about this earlier; Lerner doesn't really 'do' interviews, but then again, how many PL club owners do? And where is the real desire and demand to hear from them? Paul Faulkner is really the man who runs the overall show on a day to day basis and he seems perfectly approachable and willing to give interviews - I listened to his interview, with Murphy, on 5Live earlier as I was in the car at the time, and PF came across well.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:12:57 PM
Quote from: alexpayne on May 15, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
Apolagies if posted today, but Big Ron thinks McLeish was treated harshly http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294

Unfortunately, and I speak as a fan of the man, but Big Ron has been talking utter bollocks for a while. And there appears to be no sign of him stopping.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: usav on May 15, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Actually, I don't see a lot long with what Ron has said there.....(runs for cover)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
He was given an entire season, he had Bent, Petrov and Dunne up until February and we consistently got worse. By that definition he got a 'fair crack of the whip.'
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 15, 2012, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 15, 2012, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: PaulTheVillan on May 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
McLeish took the rap for the players? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18066646)

Murphy has had the royal hump for 6 years now that Lerner won't speak to the press.

Fair enough, it makes his job difficult, but fuck me, to believe him, it's at the root of all our problems.

I was thinking about this earlier; Lerner doesn't really 'do' interviews, but then again, how many PL club owners do? And where is the real desire and demand to hear from them? Paul Faulkner is really the man who runs the overall show on a day to day basis and he seems perfectly approachable and willing to give interviews - I listened to his interview, with Murphy, on 5Live earlier as I was in the car at the time, and PF came across well.

I think a lot of it is down to history. We had a chairman who was the public face of the club, therefore we always expect the chairman to do the same.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
How many briefings does Gazidis at Arsenal give?   Or Sheikh Mansour at Citeh, the Glazers at United and so on and so forth.

It seems a weird infatuation that only Murphy seems to possess.

Besides, when there were calls for RL to explain his thought processes last summer, we had that cringeworthy letter from Siralex episode.   Sometimes less is more.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 15, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
How many briefings does Gazidis at Arsenal give?   Or Sheikh Mansour at Citeh, the Glazers at United and so on and so forth.

It seems a weird infatuation that only Murphy seems to possess.

Besides, when there were calls for RL to explain his thought processes last summer, we had that cringeworthy letter from Siralex episode.   Sometimes less is more.

Murphy is obsessed by the fact that he feels shut out and will scweem and scween until Randy opens his door, which isn't going to happen. Randy made more noise with his statement yesterday than he has in his entire time at the club. It was damning verdict that it has gone seriously wrong at the club and needs to be fixed. No interview could have put it better.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Fuse on May 15, 2012, 06:23:41 PM
Randy did an interview with a radio sattion in Clevelnad recently and it was the firs toen he had done since he took over from his father I believe. We did get a sort of interview with him on the OS (not a videon but written) last pre-season if I recall. SO maybe we will get soemthing over the summer?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villadelph on May 15, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
Still can't believe McLeish got the sack only a day after our last game. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that Randy would send this gift Next-Day. I thought for sure it would drag on a bit but I'm glad to see the board take swift action and admit the club needs a revamp.

They need to sell season tickets and it's not going to happen unless the supporters are thoroughly convinced that the next manager is the right one. Interested to see who is going to fill this presupposed Director of Football role.

I think next year is going to be very exciting. Any good manager could've managed a top half finish with the resources we have at Villa. I just don't buy that our squad/roster was correctly in the bottom of the table. Misused and uninspired players will always lead to poor results.

We've got to support whoever comes in though. We, as supporters, also have to learn a lesson from this debacle. Exercise patience and trust, and support our own.

Come on Villa!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Leighton on May 15, 2012, 07:07:49 PM
The interview with Paul Faulkner about to be aire on BBC WM now. 7:10pm if you get this in time...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: Leighton on May 15, 2012, 07:07:49 PM
The interview with Paul Faulkner about to be aire on BBC WM now. 7:10pm if you get this in time...

Thanks for the shout (only just come back in) has it been on yet? I don't want to have to endure ELO if I don't have to?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 15, 2012, 07:21:54 PM
Been and gone.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
Seems as tho the interview has been split into 3 parts (one more to come)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villadelph on May 15, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Per his BBC WM interview, "McLeish is a winner." - Paul Faulkner

He sounded very naive to me, and certainly doesn't have a footballing brain. Let's get it right this time.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: treeve1 on May 15, 2012, 07:30:37 PM
Having a song to split up the interview is the most amateurish piece of radio scheduling I have ever heard. Who sanctions such stupid decisions, it beggers belief >:(
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
Mick McCarthy? Favourite with 8 book makers? You have got to be kidding?!!

John Deehan came across really well in his interview saying how every time he played at Villa Park Ron Saunders instilled the team with the mentality that they went out to win every match regardless of the opposition - be they Barcelona or whoever... And a bit of that was needed again.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: usav on May 15, 2012, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 15, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
He was given an entire season, he had Bent, Petrov and Dunne up until February and we consistently got worse.

So what?  Two of those players were wanted gone by most people on here.   Who was supplying the ammo for Bent this season?    We had a bunch of nobodies.    Not defending the style of football we played, but I can agree with Ron on the hand he was dealt making it tough.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 15, 2012, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: villadelph on May 15, 2012, 06:30:00 PM

They need to sell season tickets and it's not going to happen unless the supporters are thoroughly convinced that the next manager is the right one.


We've got to support whoever comes in though. We, as supporters, also have to learn a lesson from this debacle. Exercise patience and trust, and support our own.

What do we do then?
A) Wait to see who comes in before buying season tickets
or
B) Buy them now, whoever we get.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 15, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
I'm getting mine in now, as quickly as possible, before Villa make a decision I might regret!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 15, 2012, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 15, 2012, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: Diablo on May 15, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
BFR quoted as saying McLeish was treated harshly (although he does make a couple of decent points)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18070294


That's disappointing from Ron.  Of course you'd expect most managers to have sympathy with another manager getting the sack, but the Scottish Manager's record was so appalling that to not even mention it is bizarre.  And this statement is just mental:

"If he'd come straight down from Rangers, everyone would have said he's a great signing for them."

Maybe so Ron, but the two relegations and fuck awful football that the Scottish Manager has served up since then should be taken into account, surely?  Or should we give the job to Frank Clark because he got Forest to third once?

Or Bobby Gould beacuse he won the FA Cup or George Burley got Ipswich into Europe. Someone said it is just an old boys club back slapping and talking shite but Ron should know better, much better and Murphy intoned it in the exchange.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: hawkeye on May 15, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
They are all mates, they socialise with each other, they tend not to do or say anything against each other. Its a club.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 01:22:46 PM
I saw it was linked to in the Mcleish interview turns out to be a lady thread, but thought it would be good to post it here:

“When I accepted the role as manager of Aston Villa Football Club, I was acutely aware of the responsibility I had to find the best way to serve the great traditions of one of the finest clubs in professional football.

“I was truly honoured to have been given the opportunity to manage the club, which plays such an important part in the fabric of the local community and to its worldwide fan base.

“I relished the challenge and, together with my loyal and very capable staff, dedicated all of my efforts into moulding a successful team. 

“My only regret in leaving now is that we weren’t able to achieve more for the supporters and their high expectations.

“Finally, I want to take this moment to say that I have nothing but the highest respect for the club and sincerely wish it and the fans great success in the future.” 

Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/05/17/i-wish-aston-villa-all-the-best-for-the-future-alex-mcleish-97319-30989796/#ixzz1v83W8hgX
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TaxDodger on May 17, 2012, 01:27:48 PM
I like McLeish as a person and really wanted him to succeed here, but he simply wasn't good enough to manage a club of our stature. Good luck to him, I hope he gets a decent job... Like West Brom :)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:31:05 PM
I liked him as a person when he started, and sympathised with him on a few things.

After the last few weeks of witless comments (largely blaming everyone but himself), I find myself disliking him.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 17, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
|I think the pressure finally got to him Paulie, he knew he was in big trouble and just didn't have the ability to get out of it. A bit like his football teams, he went all defensive when faced with adversity.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: Chas N'Dave Cooper on May 17, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
|I think the pressure finally got to him Paulie, he knew he was in big trouble and just didn't have the ability to get out of it. A bit like his football teams, he went all defensive when faced with adversity.

i think that's probably right.

The one thing that really made me think he'd lost it was that "did people expect us to win the league" comment in his final week. I imagine Lerner was extremely pissed off to hear stuff like that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.

Agreed. Whilst you could argue the pressure finally got to him in the last few weeks, he's been nothing but consistant with his comments about the club. Good luck to him, he'll need it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2012, 01:53:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.

This. I always liked him as a person. He has integrity, he just didn't do a good job.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2012, 01:40:32 PM

i think that's probably right.

The one thing that really made me think he'd lost it was that "did people expect us to win the league" comment in his final week. I imagine Lerner was extremely pissed off to hear stuff like that.

Yes, that kind of stuff antagonises people, just like the Ray Houghton interview I mentioned on 5Live the other day about Villa fans needing to reign in their expectations, as if we are demanding the league title. I think many of us would accept top half, with the promise of progress, which isn't unrealistic.

Incidentally, I've started reading Graham Hunter's book on the making of the current Barcelona team: he discusses McLeish and his attempts, as Rangers boss, to sign Messi and Iniesta on loan, which were ultimately unsuccessful. But he writes about McLeish when he was Hibs manager, and describes him as a coach who embraced European football, who was always 'imaginative' about signings for his squad, citing Frank Sauzee and Russell Latapy, and Mike Arteta, as examples.

It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.

Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.

Like any football manager, they need the right people around him and during the season I often wondered how much of our failure was down to Peter Grant. Whilst we'll never know now, I always thought we could have made a Villa man out of McLeish if Kevin MacDonald and Sid Cowans had his ear and more involvement.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villa for life on May 17, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
He is a decent guy. He always has been. Shame on those who called him names. I believe there is a thread about what to call him/how best to insult him.

Say he was out of his depth, criticize his tactics, but there was never any need for the personal abuse.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Incidentally, I've started reading Graham Hunter's book on the making of the current Barcelona team: he discusses McLeish and his attempts, as Rangers boss, to sign Messi and Iniesta on loan, which were ultimately unsuccessful. But he writes about McLeish when he was Hibs manager, and describes him as a coach who embraced European football, who was always 'imaginative' about signings for his squad, citing Frank Sauzee and Russell Latapy, and Mike Arteta, as examples.

It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.



It's a brilliant book, I was gutted when I finished it, easily the best football book i've read. Graham Hunter is a friend of Mcleish so he might have bigged him up a bit!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.

Agreed. Whilst you could argue the pressure finally got to him in the last few weeks, he's been nothing but consistant with his comments about the club. Good luck to him, he'll need it.

we all got very tense and angry as to how things worked out, but I completely agree. He had an uphill battle from the off, but he simply wasn't good enough in the end. That's what broke him, not the Blues stuff which in the end would have been irrelevant had he been successful. His comments towards the end suggested he was coming apart at the seams so the separation will be great for both sides. He's a good man, and those are nice words from him.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ez on May 17, 2012, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.

Agreed. Whilst you could argue the pressure finally got to him in the last few weeks, he's been nothing but consistant with his comments about the club. Good luck to him, he'll need it.

we all got very tense and angry as to how things worked out, but I completely agree. He had an uphill battle from the off, but he simply wasn't good enough in the end. That's what broke him, not the Blues stuff which in the end would have been irrelevant had he been successful. His comments towards the end suggested he was coming apart at the seams so the separation will be great for both sides. He's a good man, and those are nice words from him.
Celebrating the 1-1 home draw with Stoke was very strange. You knew things were not right when he did that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villajk on May 17, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
Quote from: toronto villa on May 17, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch on May 17, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Fair play to him, very gracious. As I said before I'm glad he's gone, but no hard feelings.

Agreed. Whilst you could argue the pressure finally got to him in the last few weeks, he's been nothing but consistant with his comments about the club. Good luck to him, he'll need it.

we all got very tense and angry as to how things worked out, but I completely agree. He had an uphill battle from the off, but he simply wasn't good enough in the end. That's what broke him, not the Blues stuff which in the end would have been irrelevant had he been successful. His comments towards the end suggested he was coming apart at the seams so the separation will be great for both sides. He's a good man, and those are nice words from him.

Well said.  I agree with you all.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Incidentally, I've started reading Graham Hunter's book on the making of the current Barcelona team: he discusses McLeish and his attempts, as Rangers boss, to sign Messi and Iniesta on loan, which were ultimately unsuccessful. But he writes about McLeish when he was Hibs manager, and describes him as a coach who embraced European football, who was always 'imaginative' about signings for his squad, citing Frank Sauzee and Russell Latapy, and Mike Arteta, as examples.

It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.



It's a brilliant book, I was gutted when I finished it, easily the best football book i've read. Graham Hunter is a friend of Mcleish so he might have bigged him up a bit!

Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rigadon on May 17, 2012, 07:07:48 PM
Magnanimous.  Well said and good luck.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

Spoken like a true Thatcherite. *winky*
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

Spoken like a true Thatcherite. *winky*

That's the socialist in me coming out.  A sum equal to a lottery win, or in the Daily Mirror parlance, 2,000 nurses for being an utter failure.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2012, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Incidentally, I've started reading Graham Hunter's book on the making of the current Barcelona team: he discusses McLeish and his attempts, as Rangers boss, to sign Messi and Iniesta on loan, which were ultimately unsuccessful. But he writes about McLeish when he was Hibs manager, and describes him as a coach who embraced European football, who was always 'imaginative' about signings for his squad, citing Frank Sauzee and Russell Latapy, and Mike Arteta, as examples.

It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.



It's a brilliant book, I was gutted when I finished it, easily the best football book i've read. Graham Hunter is a friend of Mcleish so he might have bigged him up a bit!

Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

Nonsense. He didn't have to make any statement about the club whatsoever. It was nice of him to do so and I wish him the best for the future.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Summers on May 17, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
Our high expectations of "play football, win some games, don't almost get relegated". So high..
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2012, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 17, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Quote from: Merv on May 17, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Incidentally, I've started reading Graham Hunter's book on the making of the current Barcelona team: he discusses McLeish and his attempts, as Rangers boss, to sign Messi and Iniesta on loan, which were ultimately unsuccessful. But he writes about McLeish when he was Hibs manager, and describes him as a coach who embraced European football, who was always 'imaginative' about signings for his squad, citing Frank Sauzee and Russell Latapy, and Mike Arteta, as examples.

It sounded like a completely different coach, and it struck me that perhaps McLeish has really changed his philosophy since arriving in England. I wonder if the almost constant fear of relegation at Birmingham pushed him towards a cautious, do-anything-but-lose approach. As if he lost his way over the years.



It's a brilliant book, I was gutted when I finished it, easily the best football book i've read. Graham Hunter is a friend of Mcleish so he might have bigged him up a bit!

Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

that's just the industry he is fortunate to work in. It's not the real world and he didn't have to come out with anything. He's been given £2m, not 4, so yes, he's got his cash, but his reputation as a top flight manager in tatters.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: James on May 17, 2012, 08:36:47 PM
The big pillock has gone, cast this thread into the abyss of the H&V archive never to be unearthed again!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2012, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

Spoken like a true Thatcherite. *winky*

That's the socialist in me coming out.  A sum equal to a lottery win, or in the Daily Mirror parlance, 2,000 nurses for being an utter failure.

Admit it, Risso, you're just jealous.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: The Sound of Villadelphia on May 17, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on May 17, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Easy to be nice when you've just been given a £4m pay out for being a complete waste of space.  Bollocks to him.

Spoken like a true Thatcherite. *winky*

That's the socialist in me coming out.  A sum equal to a lottery win, or in the Daily Mirror parlance, 2,000 nurses for being an utter failure.

Admit it, Risso, you're just jealous.

Christ no. 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
That'd make an interesting poll, would you rather be poor and a nobody or rich and Alex Mcleish? ;-)
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 17, 2012, 10:22:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
That'd make an interesting poll, would you rather be poor and a nobody or rich and Alex Mcleish? ;-)

Guess.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Monty on May 18, 2012, 01:59:51 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
That'd make an interesting poll, would you rather be poor and a nobody or rich and Alex Mcleish? ;-)

That's just a choice between being a poor nobody or a rich nobody.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 18, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
His comments on BBC sport, in reaction to his sacking, show a true respect for our Club.
Fair play and best of luck in your new venture Alex
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: JD on May 18, 2012, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: Neil Hawkes on May 18, 2012, 10:19:04 AM
His comments on BBC sport, in reaction to his sacking, show a true respect for our Club.
Fair play and best of luck in your new venture Alex

Agree with this and those still abusing him maybe need to look at themselves as to why they're so bitter. He's gone, he's apologised for his failings, just move on. 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2012, 10:29:02 AM
Goal.com: Former Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish has been identified by Besiktas as a potential new coach. With current boss Tayfur Havutcu facing trial over match-fixing allegations, Goal.com understands that the Scot is being considered to replace him - and that he would be receptive to offers of work from outside of the Premier League.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 18, 2012, 10:34:33 AM
Quote from: Monty on May 18, 2012, 01:59:51 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
That'd make an interesting poll, would you rather be poor and a nobody or rich and Alex Mcleish? ;-)

That's just a choice between being a poor nobody or a rich nobody.

Given what he's done in football that's a interesting choice of word.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: andrew08 on May 18, 2012, 11:44:13 AM
He played for his country at a world cup and won european and domestic trophies as a player. He has coached his country and one of it's premier clubs. He managed Aston Villa and was arguably another clubs most successful coach ever.

He enjoys a reputation for being a genuinely nice guy and, by what we know, owns a home in Sardinia along with various other properties. He is a multi millionaire who probably could have enjoyed retirement a decade ago.

Hardly a nobody is he.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Fred on May 18, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
He has said the right things and left with his dignity, i wonder where DOL might be if had done the same thing when he left the Villa and behaved like AMC when he was in charge?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2012, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 18, 2012, 01:59:51 AM
Quote from: not3bad on May 17, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
That'd make an interesting poll, would you rather be poor and a nobody or rich and Alex Mcleish? ;-)

That's just a choice between being a poor nobody or a rich nobody.

Sorry Monty but that's nonsense. He was immense as a player and he's won numerous things in the game. I know we are all falling over ourselves regarding Lambert and Rodgers but they are nobody's in the game compared to McLeish. His managerial reputation in the PL in England is tarnished, but he still has a lot of respect inside the game.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
I wouldn't class Lambert as a nobody.

Great playing career, which surpasses AM's, and showing himself to be a very good manager as well. 
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 18, 2012, 02:39:19 PM
I wouldn't class Lambert as a nobody.

Great playing career, which surpasses AM's, and showing himself to be a very good manager as well. 

ok, I was harsh calling Lambert a nobody, but really, you think his playing career surpasses McLeish? Lambert played for one of the big two in Scotland and by default won medals at a time when only the two Glasgow teams were winning things. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one John.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
Thought I'd check it, so courtesy of wikipedia:-

Alex McLeish:-
European Cup Winners Cup 1982–83
European Super Cup 1983–84
Scottish Premier League 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1989–90
Scottish League Cup 1985–86, 1989–90

Paul Lambert:-
St. Mirren
Scottish Cup
Winner: 1986–87
Motherwell
Scottish Premier Division
Runner-up: 1994–95
Borussia Dortmund
UEFA Champions League
Winner: 1996–97
Celtic
Scottish Premier League
Winner: 1997–98, 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Runner-up: 1998–99, 1999–00, 2002–03, 2004–05
Scottish Cup
Winner: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Runner-up: 2001–02
Scottish League Cup
Winner: 1997–98, 2000–01
Runner-up: 2002–03
UEFA Cup
Runner-up: 2002–03

OK, the Scottish wins can be argued about as he played for Celtic, but the Champions League win trumps anything Mcleish won as a player!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Dave Clark Five on May 18, 2012, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Fred on May 18, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
He has said the right things and left with his dignity, i wonder where DOL might be if had done the same thing when he left the Villa and behaved like AMC when he was in charge?
O'Leary was lucky. He didn't get anywhere near the abuse that McLeish got at Norwich.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2012, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 18, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
Thought I'd check it, so courtesy of wikipedia:-

Alex McLeish:-
European Cup Winners Cup 1982–83
European Super Cup 1983–84
Scottish Premier League 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
Scottish Cup 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1989–90
Scottish League Cup 1985–86, 1989–90

Paul Lambert:-
St. Mirren
Scottish Cup
Winner: 1986–87
Motherwell
Scottish Premier Division
Runner-up: 1994–95
Borussia Dortmund
UEFA Champions League
Winner: 1996–97
Celtic
Scottish Premier League
Winner: 1997–98, 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Runner-up: 1998–99, 1999–00, 2002–03, 2004–05
Scottish Cup
Winner: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Runner-up: 2001–02
Scottish League Cup
Winner: 1997–98, 2000–01
Runner-up: 2002–03
UEFA Cup
Runner-up: 2002–03

OK, the Scottish wins can be argued about as he played for Celtic, but the Champions League win trumps anything Mcleish won as a player!

I see what you've done there. It's like playing trump cards and you've gone and pulled out your CL trump card on me way too soon. Fair enough, but you know that I'm going to take your other cards with McLeish's record, get extra points because he played for Aberdeen and not Celtic or Rangers. and then gazump you with his World Cup Finals appearances. And I'll even throw in his record as Scotland manager to finish you off Mortal Kombat style.

Why are we doing this again?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2012, 04:39:18 PM
Fucked if I know.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: villadelph on May 19, 2012, 12:24:33 AM
So when we win the league next year does he get an invite to the celebrations?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:41:21 AM
Quote from: John M'Zog on May 18, 2012, 02:53:25 PM

OK, the Scottish wins can be argued about as he played for Celtic, but the Champions League win trumps anything Mcleish won as a player!

Super Cup. From the year before it became the highest honour in European football.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:00:38 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2012, 10:29:02 AM
Goal.com: Former Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish has been identified by Besiktas as a potential new coach. With current boss Tayfur Havutcu facing trial over match-fixing allegations, Goal.com understands that the Scot is being considered to replace him - and that he would be receptive to offers of work from outside of the Premier League.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

Bearing in mind that a Turkish club welcomed Darius Vassell like he was the Beatles, Elvis Presley and Attaturk rolled into one, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them getting excited about getting McLeish. Hope he does well there if he does get the job but I wouldn't be overly-optimistic.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 19, 2012, 08:26:14 AM
Going to a team associated with match fixing eh?

Anyone fancy them for a few nil-nils,
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: London Villan on May 19, 2012, 08:35:47 AM
He can't be far enough away from Villa Park for me... I wonder if Hobart Harriers are looking for a manager...
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 19, 2012, 08:39:24 AM
Ah good luck to the bloke. Whats done is done.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
I still like the fella and good luck to him. I really wanted it to work out for him for our sakes and his. It would have also been good to piss off the Noses too.

I wasn't to be and come the end his ramblings were getting a bit odd which makes me believe he has known for a few weeks now and he was just talking crap to the press just to give them something.

Good luck to him in the future.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rico on May 19, 2012, 10:53:10 AM
From now on I think as Villa Fans we should collectively blank out all memories of last season. It should be deleted from our history books. Have you ever heard how actors refer to the Shakespeare play MacBeth as the Scottish play? (Bad luck to call it by it's real name apparently). Then I think we should adopt the same mentality with Mcleish. From now on he should just be referred to as "The Scottish Manager" or "TSM" for short. Actually, thinking about it, I don't think we should ever appoint another manager whose second name starts with Mc. Remember Bingo Billy McNeil? "The Scottish Manager Mark I". Never again please!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 20, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
Smashing bloke Mc£eish.

I wish him all the best, with his fucking £4m pay off.

A sad indictment of modern day football, a massive pay out for somebody who has been truly apalling in his job.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ian. on May 20, 2012, 01:20:51 PM
Quite true and he is made for life after failing at his job. Surely these contracts should be written very differently from the beginning though?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: ez on May 20, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
That first press conference sticks in my mind, especially "I am the right man for the job".
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 20, 2012, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: ez on May 20, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
That first press conference sticks in my mind, especially "I am the right man for the job".
I'm sure he felt that way, it was a win-win situation.
Bags of cash however it panned out.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 20, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Mcleish has got a job with Sky.

he fits his first dish on monday.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 21, 2012, 08:19:38 AM
Quote from: garyfouroaks on May 20, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Mcleish has got a job with Sky.

he fits his first dish on monday.

If he falls off the roof of a house, he'll have a nice soft landing on his oversized, bulging wallet.
The ******.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 21, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
Do we actually know the amount of comp. Not sure how true it is but I heard it was only 2 million between him and Grant
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Legion on May 21, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
£4 million.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: VillaAlways on May 21, 2012, 08:35:34 AM
Quote from: Legion on May 21, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
£4 million.
What a joke
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
I'd heard it was less than half of that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 21, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
I'd heard it was less than half of that.
If it was £2m, then it's £2m too much.
What other walk of life would you get paid that in 'compensation' for doing a piss poor job?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:16:12 AM
I agree. He should have been sent packing with his BFH a good while ago.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2012, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
I'd heard it was less than half of that.

Who have you heard that from?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: Risso on May 21, 2012, 10:07:38 AM
Quote from: Mazrim on May 21, 2012, 09:08:21 AM
I'd heard it was less than half of that.

Who have you heard that from?

Mat Kendrick.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 21, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
Didn't Tim Abraham say he would recieve only £1.5m because of a clause that kicked in when he didn't reach 40 points?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Ad@m on May 21, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 21, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
What other walk of life would you get paid that in 'compensation' for doing a piss poor job?

Banking?
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: woody4866 on May 21, 2012, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 21, 2012, 10:15:08 AM
Didn't Tim Abraham say he would recieve only £1.5m because of a clause that kicked in when he didn't reach 40 points?
fookin ONLY >:( >:(
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
I know this will fly in the face of general opinion, but I don't blame Mcleish for taking his pay out, however much that is.

Yes, he failed, but he signed a contract in good faith and can rightfully expect the terms and conditions of that contract to be met.

I reserve my anger for the man/men who gave him that contract!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: WA Villan on May 21, 2012, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 21, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 21, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
What other walk of life would you get paid that in 'compensation' for doing a piss poor job?

Banking?
Insurance
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 21, 2012, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 21, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 21, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
What other walk of life would you get paid that in 'compensation' for doing a piss poor job?

Banking?
Insurance

I work in insurance, I wouldn't have a chance of a pay off for a bad job!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: TheSandman on May 21, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
However much he got, it was money well spent as it got us shot of him. That's all that matters to me about it.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2012, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: WA Villan on May 21, 2012, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 21, 2012, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on May 21, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
What other walk of life would you get paid that in 'compensation' for doing a piss poor job?

Banking?
Insurance

I wish!

You don't get paid right in insurance for doing a GOOD job !!
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2012, 02:42:35 PM
Looking at thread title still makes smile. It doesn't matter to me one bit about his payout. It was absolutely the right thing to do, financially and psychologically for the the club and fans. Look how far we've come in the few short days since then. How much more optimism there is amongst us. Had Randy not done the right thing this place, and other places where Villa fans gather would just have been angry and depressed. Now we are on the verge of appointing a man that is a bit of an unknown, but someone that has captured our imaginations and one we will get behind. The positibe vibe and interest amongst us is probably the highest it has been in two years. The club know that.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2012, 03:55:47 PM
Quote from: J-Ole M on May 21, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
I know this will fly in the face of general opinion, but I don't blame Mcleish for taking his pay out, however much that is.

Yes, he failed, but he signed a contract in good faith and can rightfully expect the terms and conditions of that contract to be met.

I reserve my anger for the man/men who gave him that contract!

I also find it weird that someone like Mark Hughes, who had a clause inserted in his contract is somehow seen as dishonourable for walking out on Fulham.  If he'd been sacked he'd not have been paid off, which is why Fulham agreed to it I assume.  Quite a sensible approach all round.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
Quote from: J-Ole M on May 21, 2012, 01:51:11 PM
I know this will fly in the face of general opinion, but I don't blame Mcleish for taking his pay out, however much that is.

Yes, he failed, but he signed a contract in good faith and can rightfully expect the terms and conditions of that contract to be met.

I reserve my anger for the man/men who gave him that contract!

I agree entirely.

Good luck to him if he manages to bag a three year contract and only has to actually work the first one with the last two paid up. If we want to have a pop at someone over that situation - if indeed it is the situation - then the people to blame are those running the club for being sufficiently nuts to give him that contract in the first place.

I still find it hard to believe they did something so mindbendingly steeeyoooopid as appoint Big Eck.
Title: Re: AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
I would guess that his contract, like all others, would have a clause saying that he'd only get a year's pay off when he was sacked. That's 'only' as in 'only in football.'
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