AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Monty]

We need to persuade Eck to throw in the towel. 3 Prem relegations must prevent further top level employment, and he could use fan unrest, etcetc as a reason. He knows deep down he is unwanted, even in the very unlikely chance we stay up. Its not just the sty connections,[don't help tho], its the stifling, boring, useless, play for a 0-1 defeat, refusing to attack style. FOR GODS SAKE ECK.......... GO.

I disagree. It's the square-route of fuck-all to do with the sty connections, and all to do with those other reasons you mention.

[Concrete John]

Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

[ROBBO]

Ive just put myself through watching the replay just to see how bad it was, we were without doubt playing the weakest outfit in the league and yet at times they dominated us. I lost count of how many corners they had and it's lucky they are that bad because we all know how good we are at set pieces. The commentators had trouble working out how Villa had trouble scoring with so many capable forwards, what they obviously didn't see is that most of them are defending across our back line. I can only think that Ireland and Nzog had been left out because they didn't work hard enough at tracking back. I really worry for us in the games ahead, MCleish is acting and looking like a condemned man and the players probably see that also. Oh and no Robbie Keane fron now on.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

Mind you, as the Nurse says in Romeo & Juliet as she's on her way back from Wigan:

Oh pain! Oh painful, painful, painful day! The saddest day, most painful day that I ever, ever did behold! Oh day! Oh day! Oh day! Oh hateful day! There has never been so black a day as today. Oh painful day, Oh painful day!

[Stu]

Christ almighty, what a terrifying thought; we pay them compo for McLeish, this keeps them in business, McLeish gets us relegated and they get promoted. Its like a Shakespearean tragedy.

In so far as it's a work of fiction, then yes it is.

I doubt the compensation was enough to keep them going and we are real outsiders for the drop.  The most likely part of that is them coming back up, and even then they're 5th with a 7 point gap to 2nd, so a play off place is more likely.

There's plenty to complain about as it is without us inventing possible scenarios to add to the hysteria.

My post was so obviously serious I suppose. No one could ever mistake it for a joke, no way.

In that case, my apologies.

It's difficult to distinguish the p'ss taking from the genuine OTT reactions these days.

No worries, John

I fully agree with you about the hysteria from some on here. I tend to vent spleen and get the mental out before I post though, its always for the best!

[Tony Boucher]

Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:

Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

[The Laughing Policeman]

Mind you, as the Nurse says in Romeo & Juliet as she's on her way back from Wigan:

Oh pain! Oh painful, painful, painful day! The saddest day, most painful day that I ever, ever did behold! Oh day! Oh day! Oh day! Oh hateful day! There has never been so black a day as today. Oh painful day, Oh painful day!
[/quote]
Eck you really have done it now.
You've got football fans quoting Shakespeare for gods sake.
How much worse does it have to get?
Mind you on the Shakespeare theme I'd go for 'Now is the season of our discontent, made dark and dismal by this son of Glasgow.'

[Legion]

It's the Scottish play.

[Monty]

Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:

Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

Considering there's a chance he might be coming back at some point should the same management be in place, no, I think it should be taken with the same pinch of salt as a Villa player keeping the party line.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

It's the Scottish play.

As Hamlet says: That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.

[glasses]

Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:

Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

Even he doesn't get it. Its not where he came from for most of our fans that we have an issue with. Its his shite tactics and defeatist mentality.

[hulkamania]

I've rang into TS to try and get a message to Keys and Gray to say that the level headed Villa fans will tell you that its not the Blues connection but his brand of negative football that is the problem for us and why Alex must go.

I went on to say that the problem doesn't stop there. There is also a problem with Paul Faulkner. 4 different managers in 2 years and big player sales has seen us go backwards to where we were when Randy first came into Villa. 

Personally I don't think Randy has lost interest. But more that he has left the club in the wrong hands with Paul Faulkner. We need football knowledge on the board. Someone who understands what we as Villa fans want. IMO Ian Taylor and Graham Taylor are ideal candidates for the Villa board. I don't expect us to be winning trophy after trophy or winning the league year after year. But I also don't expect us to be battling relegation either with a manager who has done nothing in the Prem other than get relegated.

Had the right choice of manager come in after MoN left then maybe we could of pushed on again. However with Paul Faulkner coming in we can now see that was never going to happen. I've no problem with the cut backs if that is what is needed right now to hopefully enable us to push forward again. But for the life of me I can see no sense in employing Alex mcleish. There are good managers out there who with the players we have would of done a much better job.

As far as "this is a very difficult job" remark from Alex goes. I would ask him is it a harder job than what he had at the Blues? He's got a team littered with International players and a board that backed him. I would agree that some of those players need moving on but does that make them bad players? How many will go to other prem clubs and do well. I can see Heskey dropping down to the Championship due to his age and ability. But other players will stay in the Prem and most probably do very well elsewhere.

Right now I fear for our safety

[Mister E]

Ive just put myself through watching the replay just to see how bad it was, we were without doubt playing the weakest outfit in the league and yet at times they dominated us. I lost count of how many corners they had and it's lucky they are that bad because we all know how good we are at set pieces. The commentators had trouble working out how Villa had trouble scoring with so many capable forwards, what they obviously didn't see is that most of them are defending across our back line. I can only think that Ireland and Nzog had been left out because they didn't work hard enough at tracking back. I really worry for us in the games ahead, MCleish is acting and looking like a condemned man and the players probably see that also. Oh and no Robbie Keane fron now on.

You're right but with Herd and Petrov back in in CMF, we should be much more robust.
When is Petrov back?

[JUAN PABLO]

Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:

Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

ffs     stop saying about the Blose connection.     Its nothing to do with that . The football is dire , If Brendan Rodgers had come from Birmingham I would have been over the moon . Its the negative football he plays.

[VillaAlways]

Is this likely to change anyone's mind?

From TalkShite:

Robbie Keane has leapt to the defence of Alex McLeish, insisting Aston Villa players are fully behind their under-fire manager.

Supporters rounded on McLeish after Saturday’s goalless draw with Wigan, a result which leaves Villa sitting 15th in the Premier League.

There have also been rumours of dressing room unrest but Keane, who has returned to LA Galaxy after a six-week loan spell at the club, insists the Scot has the squad’s backing and believes he will win the fans over, if given time.
“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager”Robbie Keane

“I heard someone saying about the manager that the players are not behind him but that is totally wrong,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show.

“I have only been there a short space of time but I can see the players are 100 per cent behind the manager. He’s a great manager.

“It’s always going to be tough when you have come from your rivals but he is a great manager and he when he gets his own kind of players that he wants to bring in you will see a different team.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that’s totally fair enough," he continued. "They pay good money and you have to respect that but you have seen the situation at Blackburn a few months ago. Every week [Steve] Kean was getting stick and all of a sudden now you don't hear too much about it and the team seem to be doing OK.

"Players do speak about what happens with the fans and singing McLeish's name. It certainly doesn't help anybody.

ffs     stop saying about the Blose connection.     Its nothing to do with that . The football is dire , If Brendan Rodgers had come from Birmingham I would have been over the moon . Its the negative football he plays.

If we nicked Chris Hughton I'd be over the moon