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Offline Rip Van We Go Again

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1170 on: February 27, 2012, 12:12:55 PM »
Thing is, Under McLeish I cant ever see us playing the sort of football that gets you into the top 6, regardless of the players
The longer his sterile football continues, the more our flair players will feel alienated.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1171 on: February 27, 2012, 12:26:04 PM »
The marketing department, for starters.

Indeed. The official site propaganda is so vomit-inducingly bad that it makes me angry.
It's putting lipstick on a pig (a.k.a - Karren Bradyfying) and extremely patronising. I'm sick of seeing puns a 7 year old would roll his eyes at to cover up the latest mass bollock droppings. Shane Warne couldn't put a positive spin on things lately.

We're in a right state and we want to see some action. We couldn't give a flying fuck about chinese internet when our expensive team can't overcome the poorest home side in the league (after us probably) or worse still, even try to.
Stop fucking mugging us off. There are some idiots who support Villa but certainly not the majority.

Sorry about the rant. I know they have to write something but it really gets on my morks.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1172 on: February 27, 2012, 12:28:26 PM »
 I'm not one who believes in protest marches and the like but i do believe that the only way Lerner will get rid of MCleish is when the supporters in unison act against the manager. This may be by entering the ground 15 minutes after kick off or leaving the ground early leaving a token supporter base.I despair at how quickly our club has fallen, when you send a team out week after week to try not to lose you build a side with no confidence, not only that players like to win too and if they can see they are being robbed of that chance then why bother. This again comes down to Faulkner in my eyes as the main culprit, he would have been the instigator of employing MCleish, he should go at the same time as MCleish.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1173 on: February 27, 2012, 12:31:55 PM »
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Offline glasses

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1174 on: February 27, 2012, 12:33:36 PM »
I think Eck thinks that the team he put out on Saturday was an attacking team. You could argue that he has a point. Bent, Keane, Gabby, Bannan, Albrighton and Gardner are all players that you would consider attacking players, individually. Like Paulie said though, it's his negative tactics that are stunting the attacking players in the team. The players seem to be told to hold their positions which means the formation is totally rigid. There was no movement when we had the ball on Saturday. No team cohesion

His tactics are awful, his team selections at times are baffling. Got to go for me, nice bloke or not, I couldnt care less. Mind you, I don't think he is solely to blame, the whole club seems to be rotten at the moment.

« Last Edit: February 27, 2012, 12:36:50 PM by glasses »

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1175 on: February 27, 2012, 12:33:39 PM »
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.

Offline Mazrim

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1176 on: February 27, 2012, 12:39:34 PM »
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.

Yes, I would rather have some uselful bastards.

Offline NeilH

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1177 on: February 27, 2012, 12:42:40 PM »
I know people who have spoken to Faulkner and they assure me he's a nice guy and I'm sure he is.
But when it comes to Faulkner and Lerner we all share one common bond; I dont know what they're doing.

Well we have a lot of nice guys at the club, I think we can all agree on that. Unfortunately their niceness doesn't hide their combined utter incompetance.

Yes, I would rather have some uselful bastards.

They do know what they are doing, they have a very clear vision but I don't think there's enough real football within the club to ask proper questions about the wisdom of it. I think they're trying to apply real business rules to the business of football and the two just don't mix.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1178 on: February 27, 2012, 12:44:50 PM »
I remember last season when I always use to watch Blose alot on Football First ( without knowing the score ) , the reason I could at least support the other team and get right behind that team , whoever it was .
After watching them about 6 times , I said to myself , this is bloody awful , they are horrible to watch , this isnt football , this is sitting in a dentist chair .  Ive got to pack this in , this is just wasting important time in my life where I could be doing more interesting things .
So I stopped watching them , the problem is Villa are now identical to that team , I cant stopped watching them as I love Villa , but its bloody torture.

We are the new Blose in style of football and Im not suprised.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1179 on: February 27, 2012, 12:48:44 PM »
I recall when he took the job there was a meeting with some fans and AMC suggested that his tatics at Birmingham where due to less talented players than we have and with better players he could play better football ...

Well that has turned out to be utter bollox.He could be the manager of Man City and still play defensive ,dour gutless football.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1180 on: February 27, 2012, 12:50:13 PM »

There is a fundamental problem upstairs too. Something drastic has to happen soon. I have almost zero faith in the board. All Randy's vast credit with me is gone and it would take something unimaginably amazing to restore any of it.

Please, for the love of Optimus Prime, let there be some subtance to the takeover rumours, because just like it was in 05/06, Villa just fill me with a sense of dread and hopelessness now. That really shouldn't be the case with our resources.

Please, for the love of Optimus Prime, let there be some subtance to the takeover rumours, because just like it was in 05/06, Villa just fill me with a sense of dread and hopelessness now. That really shouldn't be the case with our resources.
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Yes. The wheel has come full circle and not in the sense that we had hoped in 2006. Instead of being back to the early eighties, we are as shambolic as we were circa 2005/06.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1181 on: February 27, 2012, 01:05:45 PM »
I don't know what to think.
I was at the game on Saturday and the team he selected looked good. Then it was set up to play defensively I assume because Warnock and Hutton need to be protected/helped 'cos they are so shit. So we sacrifice the attacking attributes of both Gabby and Albrighton to protect those two. So I can understand why he would do that and he clearly has no trust in N'zogbia to play a disciplined role within this formation.

This then left Bannan and Gardner to play the attacking roles and link up with Keane and Bent. This only happened once when Keane played a stunning through ball to Bent who missed his only chance of the game.

Bannan and Gardner, other than giving 100% (which is the bare minimum), created nothing that I recall between them of note in an attacking sense, which begs the question; are they as good as we think they are? They will never get a better chance at this level to show what they can do as in theory Saturday was the easiest opposition they will get. In fairness to McLeish he put them in the box seats to show what they can do and they fluffed their lines a little bit imo. They had Keane and Bent in front of them all match and they never once picked them out.

It's easy to blame Mcleish though and I joined in with the chants on Saturday,it's hard not to but on reflection I think some of the team should take some responsibilty as well.


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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1182 on: February 27, 2012, 01:16:10 PM »
I keep reading that we (you chaps) wanted to give him a chance. I did.

No more.

Gone. Not for us and yes, I want my Villa Back. Good chant.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1183 on: February 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM »
Bannan and Gardner are two forward-thinking players who were shoe-horned, isolated and not backed up, either defensively or by movement. This I would put down, I'm afraid, to the manager. Brendan Rodgers has proved that you can train players into movement and passing, playing triangles and fearlessly playing out from the back. I don't expect us to be as good as Swansea at that exact style as Rodgers has had longer and more of his own signings in that team, but if there were any form of training like that you would see some dividends on the pitch and some hints in the tactics, like last . As it happens, there is zero evidence of it whatsoever.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #1184 on: February 27, 2012, 01:30:46 PM »
Monty. True. Well put.

 


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