AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[dave.woodhall]

Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.

the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?

i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?

[kippaxvilla2]

It has equally nothing to do with whether McLeish should get the sack or not.

[dave.woodhall]

It has equally nothing to do with whether McLeish should get the sack or not.

I'm not saying it is. Someone mentioned Sunderland's crowd yesterday and I said they are one of a number of clubs - Wolves and Bolton being others - that never get big crowds for cup matches and don't seem to take them seriously.                   

[hawkeye]

Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.

the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?

i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?

my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity
And Dave while you are at it, maybe you can shed some light as to why the club settled with MON befor arbitration?

[kippaxvilla2]

It has to be money related or lack of it.  I would have thought anyway.  I'm surprised they aren't filling out a bit more often though.  I did hear however that even in the days of coming up to the Premier League (the Quinn and Philips days) they actually gave away about 10,000 tickets per game free to kids.

[dave.woodhall]

Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.

the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?

i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?

my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity

Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.

[hawkeye]

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Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.

the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?

i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?

my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity
And Dave while you are at it, maybe you can shed some light as to why the club settled with MON befor arbitration?

[dave.woodhall]

It has to be money related or lack of it.  I would have thought anyway.  I'm surprised they aren't filling out a bit more often though.  I did hear however that even in the days of coming up to the Premier League (the Quinn and Philips days) they actually gave away about 10,000 tickets per game free to kids.

It was reckoned that a capacity crowd, which I think was about 45k, had less than 30 paying full price. Fair play to them, they knew how to fill the ground and it certainly got them some attention.   

[Thatcher at Downing St]

Some clubs - and Sunderland are a classic example - aren't bothered about cups. They're mid-table, haven't won anything for decades and they still don't care.

the difference is that they have a shot at a semi final, have enough points to not worry about relegation and have won 11 out of the last 16, i would swap with them right now

And that has what, exactly, to do with their historically poor crowds in cup competitions?

i bet they sell out thier alllocation at godison

And your point is?

my point is that Sunderland fans are now living in hope of some glory, we are now looking forward to a scrap to achieve mid table mediocrity

Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.

That sounds like the kind of soundbite I'd expect to hear from Faulkner. Or someone peddling the "we're a mid-table mediocroty side, so best you get used to it" mantra on his behalf.

[jonc73]

Good for them. Maybe all our supporters who seem to care more about them and their manager than us these days can pay them a visit.

I'm sure no Villa fan cares about Sunderland more than Villa. In my view it understandable they are mentioned considering who their manager is, the way he left Villa and the way the club has been handled since he left. Look where Sunderland are in the league and cups compared to Viila.

It's difficult to see how anyone can be optimistic about Villa at this time. Villa paid compensation for a manager who got Birmingham relegated. Birmingham, appointed an out of work manager who has transformed their side and got their fans behind him.

Mcleish hasnt managed to get a settled team, good results or a rise up the table. The season is pretty much over now, unless we get relegated...which could happen.

The question here is should Mcleish gets sacked or not? Which is not going to happen as the current chairman appointed him. Amazing that it is, Lerner thought this was a good idea so he will stick with his choice.

[ROBBO]

How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.

[john e]

How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.

i would say a list as long as your arm

[VillaAlways]

How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.

i would say a list as long as your arm

Ah ! But would they have had "Proven Premier league experience"

 

[OzVilla]

I dislike the way MON left us as much as the next fan but it was 20 months ago.  Has any Villa managers departure ever caused this amount of upheaval for so long.

I had a lot of sympathy for the board at the start of last season but that's long gone now. The board of Aston Villa are responsible for the position the club finds itself in pure and simple - they need to be held accountable for it. 

Other than hopeing to settle for mid table finishes, I have no idea what the plan could be.

[OzVilla]

How many managers would have taken the job under the conditions that Mcleish operates, i would hazard a guess that it wasn't his CV that attracted Lerner more his compliance.

i would say a list as long as your arm

"A list as long as you arm''.

Now i'm as one eyed as they come but this is turning into one of those urban myths alongside Blose getting bigger corwds than the Villa if they ever go into the Premier League. 

IIRC, the list of potential candidates was the most uninspiring I can ever recall for a Villa Managers job.  The words 'nobody', 'touch' and 'bargepole' spring to mind.