AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[DB]

Apologies if aleady posted, but good piece. Another example of the media coming around to the fact it's his record / performance with us why we want rid, not his SHA history...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2012/04/post_1.html

[Rick_avfc]

I was reading the following with a lot of interest until he said that Alex Mcleish is a good man and manager!  Yes I agree that he probably is a good man but a good manager?

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12088_7706651,00.html

[Percy McCarthy]

Stuart James and Neil Moxley get the true word on what's going on at the Villa from a certain fanzine seller who works opposite the church.

You're welcome.

Good work. Did you read Stuart James' article in the Graun? It was right on the money. Finally.

I did. Hopefully some of the more clueless journos and pundits read it as well.

[Dante Lavelli]

Ahhhhhhh those were the days when I was feeling irate and p**ssed off at AM now I sit back and think if only other fans had realised then what they know now.

What difference would it have made if we’d have changed our minds earlier?  McLeish would still be here but everyone would have been much angrier for longer, probably shouting at each other a lot more and making everything much more miserable.

[WarleyWonder]

What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

Nobody wanted him in the job. When he was appointed, most of us got behind him for the good of the club. Most of us wanted him to do well. Most of us thought it was a bit early to be giving him stick and sacking him in November, as it wasn't a fair amount of time to judge him. And finally, most of us could not give a shit where he came from.

If we had of sacked him in November maybe we would have been mid table or higher now?

We were 8th in November

And that affects the price of bread how ??

[PaulWinch again]

Oh no I see another mass quote debate coming.

[Monty]

I was reading the following with a lot of interest until he said that Alex Mcleish is a good man and manager!  Yes I agree that he probably is a good man but a good manager?

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,12088_7706651,00.html

Also underrating the kids. I mean, they don't play in a Sky League club, how can they be any good?

Also, Hellis in the Torygraph said some absolute bollcocks like "despite the fact most of the fans are upset he came from Birmingham, McLeish is a good manager" (come on, Doug, you can't really believe that, especially the first one!) and, a new Doug favourite, "The game is not about management, it is about players." Is that why you kept firing them in the hope they'd be the magic bullet solution? Or why you didn't dig a little deeper for the better players who could have taken us a bit further? Absolute shite from beginning to end.

And to think some on here wanted him back.

[WarleyWonder]

What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!

How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.

You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?

You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?

Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .

So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!

What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

Again WW,you are talking like he was our number one candidate who we all thrilled to have and you somehow had this great insight into the situation.We had no choice but to give him a chance.It's called supporting the club.

Yes I know all about supporting the club like many other fans but you didnt need a bang on the head to realise it wasnt going to work  - hello !!!!!

How disappointed would you have been if it had worked ?

It was never going to work I cannot believe any fan honestly thought that it would. His track record speaks volumes. How can a manager come third in the scottish premier when there are only two decent teams.

You haven't answered my question

I have answered your question "zoggyalways" it was NEVER going to work I strongly believed it then and I cannot see anything has changed now can you?

You would have been disappointed ,wouldn't you ?

Not at all zoggyalways but can you not see what I said then has actually come true, it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour .

So you are saying you never wanted him to be successful then.Thankyou,you've finally answered my question

I do believe that I have never ever ever said I didnt want him to be. Where did I say that? Proof please ? Otherwise you may be barred !!!!

"it was so obvious unless you are someone that really really wished he was going to be a saviour . "

That's what I was wishing because if he's successful,the Villa are successful Clearly you weren't

How did you reach that decision then? you cant possibly think what I am thinking? If you can then you should seriously consider becoing a bleeding mind reader.

[WarleyWonder]

What is really p**sing me off is the amount of fans who not so long ago were having a pop at fans like me who didn't want him to to be given the job in the first place. It was obvious it wasnt going to work but no some fans thought we were talking b**locks and look where we are now.

I wish I'd kept that quote of his where he claimed he wouldn't go on and on with the "I told you so" bullshit if it was proven Mcleish wasn't up to the job.

But it appears saying "I told you so" is more important to him than supporting the club.

Not at all you could not be further from the truth my fellow villa fan. I have ben quiet for many many weeks now all I am saying is I'm amazed how many others thought what me and hundreds of others fans were going on about surely you can see that fellow fan

[PeterWithesShin]

WarleyWonder, I have already asked once that the mass quoting stops, please do so as i'd hate to have ask again.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

My eyes, my eyes...

[WarleyWonder]

Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.

Where would you suggest I take a debate regarding Alex Mcleish on an Alex Mcleish thread

By all means have a debate with each other as long as it stays civil, but please can you both cut down on the mass quoting.

There's always a lot of mass debating when it comes to Warley Wonder.

You again The Rt Hon Sir Algernon Cockbiscuit  - I thought you had emigrated as it's been so quiet on here. Im really sorry that you feel the need to have a go on here now that your choice of manager has totally knackered up our club single handed.

[bones.]

Any chance you two could take your debate elsewhere as you are filling up the screen / tpoic of your whole conversation thus creating loads more pages.

If you whizz through it all quickly enough its beginning to look like an egg timer.

[PaulWinch again]

See there seems to be quite a revision of history here. I can't remember anyone saying it would be a good idea to hire Mcleish at the time he was hired. However once he had been appointed the vast majority of us wanted to give him a chance, as we wanted Villa to be successful. Now that doesn't mean we believed he was the right man for job, but as he had been given the job it was best to support him.
Unfortunately he has proved to be completely the wrong appointment, as most people thought he would be and he needs to go. That doesn't change the fact that when he was initially appointed he needed to be given a chance.

[WarleyWonder]

Nobody 'wanted' him.  But once he got the job, what do you do?

Option 1 is to support him and the club and hope it works out.

Option 2 is to bitch from the outset, mainly to the detriment of the club as a whole, and then languish in the glory of being proven right.

What gets me about the 'I told you so' crowd is their love for the club is so great, they feel their time is best spent reminding us all how they saw it all coming as opposed to offering siggestions for a new manager, discussing how we can get the necessary points from the remaining games or debating the larger and longterm future of the club.  Having said that, if they did I could imagine it being "Anyone but McFuckStain", "Minus 3 unless we sack McCuntyBollocks" and "We don't have one unless McWankPants is sacked, sued and then we bring a criminal prosecution."

Maybe if fans who don't agree or even think that us "told you so crowd" were wrong in our opinion had simply kept their opinions to themselves rather than having a go at us fans who did not think the appointment was correct (which we are almost being proved right) then this whole sorry chapter need never have happened. Why can't fans (like me) give an opinion without being ridiculed just because we have very very strong opinions rather than just accepting that we have to live with the fact the he is the manager. If we have something to say we will say it whats wrong with being honest? There are too many doo gooders in this world and where does that get you?