England 2012 Cricket Thread

[spangley1812]

Sad news on Yuvraj, hope he recovers soon.

Well said Paul

[Villan For Life]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting

Flower was rated number one batsman in the world. How is that complacent? The batsmen need help and advice and Flower can deliver it.

So why after 5 innings have the batsmen still no idea on how to play spin...............

This is nothing new. We always struggle against sub-continental spin. Our overseas record against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is woeful.

[Warren Aspinall]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting

Flower was rated number one batsman in the world. How is that complacent? The batsmen need help and advice and Flower can deliver it.

So why after 5 innings have the batsmen still no idea on how to play spin...............

This is nothing new. We always struggle against sub-continental spin. Our overseas record against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is woeful.

We had a good couple of years about 10 years ago over there, under Hussain & Fletcher with his famous forward press, which the batsmen used to great effect.

[Villan For Life]

Gower has just mentioned that Yuvraj Singh is being treated for lung cancer. Get well soon Yuvraj.

[spangley1812]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting

Flower was rated number one batsman in the world. How is that complacent? The batsmen need help and advice and Flower can deliver it.

So why after 5 innings have the batsmen still no idea on how to play spin...............

This is nothing new. We always struggle against sub-continental spin. Our overseas record against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is woeful.

Its a good job we have prepared well for playing in all 3 countries in this calender year then isnt it........

[Villan For Life]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting

Flower was rated number one batsman in the world. How is that complacent? The batsmen need help and advice and Flower can deliver it.

So why after 5 innings have the batsmen still no idea on how to play spin...............

This is nothing new. We always struggle against sub-continental spin. Our overseas record against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is woeful.

We had a good couple of years about 10 years ago over there, under Hussain & Fletcher with his famous forward press, which the batsmen used to great effect.

The foward press that has been rendered useless by DRS

[Warren Aspinall]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting

Flower was rated number one batsman in the world. How is that complacent? The batsmen need help and advice and Flower can deliver it.

So why after 5 innings have the batsmen still no idea on how to play spin...............

This is nothing new. We always struggle against sub-continental spin. Our overseas record against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka is woeful.

We had a good couple of years about 10 years ago over there, under Hussain & Fletcher with his famous forward press, which the batsmen used to great effect.

The foward press that has been rendered useless by DRS

That's the one, I didn't say use it now though. I was merely commenting that it was key to us winning back then. The key to playing spin is & always has been good foot movement.

[Villan For Life]

Spangley it's difficult to prepare for sub-continent conditions and bowlers! How would you do it?

[spangley1812]

Spangley it's difficult to prepare for sub-continent conditions and bowlers! How would you do it?

I would have taken all the players to Bangladesh for 6 weeks before the tour and made sure my batting coach was available full time and was on this trip and I would have made sure that we had several different types of spin bowlers available to bowl to the team in the nets. I would also have taken James Taylor on this tour

[Villan For Life]

Spangley it's difficult to prepare for sub-continent conditions and bowlers! How would you do it?

I would have taken all the players to Bangladesh for 6 weeks before the tour and made sure my batting coach was available full time and was on this trip and I would have made sure that we had several different types of spin bowlers available to bowl to the team in the nets. I would also have taken James Taylor on this tour

I agree but how good will these net spinners be?

[spangley1812]

They would be better than Jimmy Anderson bowling spin at them but I can see your point that they may not be of a good enough standard but it may have given the batsmen an idea about how to play spin on these sort of pitches 

[Villan For Life]

They would be better than Jimmy Anderson bowling spin at them but I can see your point that they may not be of a good enough standard but it may have given the batsmen an idea about how to play spin on these sort of pitches 

Generally, and the Duncan Fletcher-press era aside, we struggle in these conditions. Sub-continental conditions are as alien to English batsmen as English conditions are alien to Indian, Pakistani and Sr Lankan players

[spangley1812]

They would be better than Jimmy Anderson bowling spin at them but I can see your point that they may not be of a good enough standard but it may have given the batsmen an idea about how to play spin on these sort of pitches 

Generally, and the Duncan Fletcher-press era aside, we struggle in these conditions. Sub-continental conditions are as alien to English batsmen as English conditions are alien to Indian, Pakistani and Sr Lankan players

The pitches have been slow but I dont think that they have spun that much do you...........

[Villan For Life]

They would be better than Jimmy Anderson bowling spin at them but I can see your point that they may not be of a good enough standard but it may have given the batsmen an idea about how to play spin on these sort of pitches 

Generally, and the Duncan Fletcher-press era aside, we struggle in these conditions. Sub-continental conditions are as alien to English batsmen as English conditions are alien to Indian, Pakistani and Sr Lankan players

The pitches have been slow but I dont think that they have spun that much do you...........

No and this pitch in particular should be a batsman's dream as Azhar and Younis have proved.

However a decent left arm spinner bowling into the rough against a left-handed batsman will be tricky. We have 6 left handers.....

[spangley1812]

They would be better than Jimmy Anderson bowling spin at them but I can see your point that they may not be of a good enough standard but it may have given the batsmen an idea about how to play spin on these sort of pitches 

Generally, and the Duncan Fletcher-press era aside, we struggle in these conditions. Sub-continental conditions are as alien to English batsmen as English conditions are alien to Indian, Pakistani and Sr Lankan players

The pitches have been slow but I dont think that they have spun that much do you...........

No and this pitch in particular should be a batsman's dream as Azhar and Younis have proved.

However a decent left arm spinner bowling into the rough against a left-handed batsman will be tricky. We have 6 left handers.....

Lets hope when they go to Sri Lanka next month we have learnt our lesson