England 2012 Cricket Thread

[Villan For Life]

DRS has changed the game in the last year. Umpires will now give bold decisions when a batsman pads away a spinner. Taking that negativity out of the game is a good thing but it's gone too far the other way. KP's dismissal is an example of this. If you add the fact that the Indian board are not in favour of it then the waters get muddied still more.

All tests should be played, local conditions aside, on the same basis. It's either all use DRS or not at all.

[PaulWinch again]

I think we are in big trouble here.

[Dave Cooper please]

Also I think Pietersen out decision was way way too harsh from the umpire. It didn't look out and it barely flicked the bails, I think the umpire's are becoming too aggressive with their decisions.

But had it missed his legs it would have hit the stumps, yes? Which is, after all, the point! Use your bat, then you can't be out LBW.
I like DRS, it may have tweaked things a little too far in favour of the bowlers, but rather that than 650 runs per innings snooze fests. Good batsmen will adapt.

[PaulWinch again]

Also I think Pietersen out decision was way way too harsh from the umpire. It didn't look out and it barely flicked the bails, I think the umpire's are becoming too aggressive with their decisions.

But had it missed his legs it would have hit the stumps, yes? Which is, after all, the point! Use your bat, then you can't be out LBW.
I like DRS, it may have tweaked things a little too far in favour of the bowlers, but rather that than 650 runs per innings snooze fests. Good batsmen will adapt.

I agree that it's overall been good, but that Pietersen decision yesterday was harsh. Considering hawyeye has a 5% margin of error and it barely touched the bails, I'm not remotely convinced it would have hit the stumps. Umpires are giving people out because they have the back up of DRS, and I think they should just be a bit more conservative. The bowling team can always review if they think they've been hard done by. I agree that 650 plays 650 is rubbish, but so are 2 and a half/3 day Test matches.

[Dave Cooper please]

That 5% margin of error could equally have meant it was uprooting the stump.
All the batsmen have to do is use their bat to hit the ball, that's what it's there for after all.

[PaulWinch again]

That 5% margin of error could equally have meant it was uprooting the stump.
All the batsmen have to do is use their bat to hit the ball, that's what it's there for after all.

Potentially but in this case you can look at the flight and it clearly wasn't. I agree that you don't want to see batsmen padding away, but there has to be a balance. It's not the review system itself its how the umpires make their decisions.

[Dave Cooper please]

How can you say it wasn't? Hawkeye says it might have been given the 5% either way margin of error.
The umpires are learning this system as much as the players, as they have seen more and more reviews they are realising that the stumps are actually quite wide and balls that they previously thought were sliding down leg will actually hit leg stump. Clipping the stump is out, that's the way it is.
And one thing it has done is practically remove altogether the glaring errors made by umpires.

[PaulWinch again]

All I'm saying having played and watched cricket for a number of years it looked wrong, and I think prior to DRS the umpire never would have given it. I like DRS being there for howlers, but I think the umpires do need to be slightly more conservative as batsmen need a chance. In any case England are getting hammered now.

[Dave Cooper please]

All I'm saying having played and watched cricket for a number of years it looked wrong, and I think prior to DRS the umpire never would have given it.

There you go, prior to DRS that decision,and many others like it, would have been wrong!

And yes, we are now getting quite royally stuffed.

[olaftab]

We can't be in both camps.  Use technology  however still chase judgement of does it look right. HE decision was it's going to hit some part of the timber and that's it. I think it's great. What  surprised me vwas a DRS was given incorrectly (Hafeez I thnik) when on field umpire had made the right decision.
More worrying is the Indian Board's decision to not partake in this. They should be made to comply otherwise stats on wickets are going to look silly.

[olaftab]

I think we are in big trouble here.

Do you hate being proved right?

[PaulWinch again]

In this case yes.

[spangley1812]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

[Villan For Life]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

[spangley1812]

Can I make two points;

A) Why is Englands batting coach not with the team in Dubai rather than sitting with his feet up in Essex ?

B) Why when we know that the Pakistan attack will have at least one left arm spinner in the team and we know we play spin poorly have we not got a "net bowler" lined up rather than relying on Jimmy Anderson to twirl spin ?

a) No idea. But Flower was batting coach before so he could fill in.

b) Isn't Mushtaq Ahmed the spin bowling coach? Assuming he's there with them, we don't have another spinner that could replicate anything like what they're facing.

Disagree it smacks of complacency as does all of our batting