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Author Topic: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?  (Read 256355 times)

Offline Percy McCarthy

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #315 on: August 24, 2016, 07:09:07 PM »
Just read Tony Garnett's autobiography "The Day the Music Died".  Garnett - Aston born, Erdington bred - references his 'beloved Aston Villa' many times. One example, he recounts the times (during the 1940's/50's) family weddings (at Aston Parish Church) had to be scheduled around the Saturday matches while the male guests honoured the more significant event 400 yards away.

 Garnett - actor, film/T.V. producer, scriptwriter, novelist - is probably best known for his working partnership with director Ken Loach who between them produced many classics of British T.V. and film in the 60's and 70's.  "Cathy Come Home", "Kes", "Up the Junction", "Days of Hope", "The Big Flame" are just some of the very political dramas they created and their efforts to put working-class life, sex, left-wing politics (the usual radical 'suspects'!) on our screens inevitably produced censorship clashes with the broadcasting and British political establishments.

London-based for most of his working life, his references to Villa are not generally match-specific, except for recounting regular humiliations the actor and friend Neil Pearson (a Spuds' fan) imposes on him with visits to White Hart Lane in recent years.  Garnett does , though, communicate that sense of absorbing the Villa as naturally and normally as inhaling oxygen which many of us with a similar Aston/Erdington heritage just assumed - without any prior sense of arrogance or elitism that the noses imply about us!

Great post.

Agreed.

I heard Garnett on Radio 4 a month ago and posted, to which Percy replied he had also read the autobiography.

Was it a good read? I reckon my mom may enjoy it.

No, I said my auntie's got it and I will borrow it when she's read it.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #316 on: August 24, 2016, 07:44:27 PM »
I just signed up to Netflix recently having ditched my Foxtel and have been watching a comedy called Cuckoo. It's a few years old now, but never heard of it before. It's got the wanker teacher from inbetweeners in it and the family live in Lichfield. Seen a few villa references in it and a villa tea towel in the last one. Not sure if the character is a villa fan, or whether it's the actor shoehorning villa references into the show?

I believe the writers are Villa fans, so they made the character one too.  Not sure if Greg Davies is a Villa fan though, I've never heard him mention it.
Greg Davies is a self confessed blue nose. Shame that I quite like him.

Is he? When did he admit to that dishonour?
He's owned up several times on TV. Sorry I can't give you an example but I have definitely heard him say it.

Well this is what he said 5 years ago on Soccer AM.

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"I'm very excited to be on a football show because I know the least about football out of any person in the United Kingdom!" he told Soccer AM.

"The vast majority of my friends really love football and they've really tried to help me fit in, but I don't fit in. I mean look at the state of me!

"It was mainly in the '90s really [that they tried to help me] - specifically during Euro '96. They wrote down a load of catchphrases for me to shout in pubs so I wouldn't feel left out, it was really sweet.

"One of my proudest moments of all-time was when I was in a crowded pub during an England match and I went 'Ince's doing well despite his Italian form' and load of blokes sitting next to me went 'yeah, yeah he is'! "
I must of misheard or misunderstood something I heard him say to someone on a panel show (possibly to frank skinner) or maybe I've imagined the whole thing!
Question: how the hell did you drag up a transcript of a conversation on soccer AM from 5 years ago?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 07:46:13 PM by The Edge »

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #317 on: August 24, 2016, 07:51:24 PM »
He said on an episode of Taskmaster that he had no interest in football.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #318 on: August 24, 2016, 08:17:51 PM »
He said on an episode of Taskmaster that he had no interest in football.
No interest in football you say. Sounds like every blue nose I know.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 10:21:48 PM by joecrow »

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #319 on: August 24, 2016, 08:29:42 PM »
Ian Lavender was on pointless tonight.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #320 on: August 24, 2016, 08:35:24 PM »
He said on an episode of Taskmaster that he had no interest in football.
Not interest in football you say. Sounds like every blue nose I know.

Yep, I met him in a boozer in Berkshire near where I live. No interest in footy or rugby (when you see the size of him you think he would have played it). He is from Wem.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #321 on: August 24, 2016, 09:22:36 PM »
He said on an episode of Taskmaster that he had no interest in football.
Not interest in football you say. Sounds like every blue nose I know.

Yep, I met him in a boozer in Berkshire near where I live. No interest in footy or rugby (when you see the size of him you think he would have played it). He is from Wem.

Grew up in a static caravan, I believe.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #322 on: August 24, 2016, 11:23:15 PM »
Just read Tony Garnett's autobiography "The Day the Music Died".  Garnett - Aston born, Erdington bred - references his 'beloved Aston Villa' many times. One example, he recounts the times (during the 1940's/50's) family weddings (at Aston Parish Church) had to be scheduled around the Saturday matches while the male guests honoured the more significant event 400 yards away.

 Garnett - actor, film/T.V. producer, scriptwriter, novelist - is probably best known for his working partnership with director Ken Loach who between them produced many classics of British T.V. and film in the 60's and 70's.  "Cathy Come Home", "Kes", "Up the Junction", "Days of Hope", "The Big Flame" are just some of the very political dramas they created and their efforts to put working-class life, sex, left-wing politics (the usual radical 'suspects'!) on our screens inevitably produced censorship clashes with the broadcasting and British political establishments.

London-based for most of his working life, his references to Villa are not generally match-specific, except for recounting regular humiliations the actor and friend Neil Pearson (a Spuds' fan) imposes on him with visits to White Hart Lane in recent years.  Garnett does , though, communicate that sense of absorbing the Villa as naturally and normally as inhaling oxygen which many of us with a similar Aston/Erdington heritage just assumed - without any prior sense of arrogance or elitism that the noses imply about us!

Great post.

Agreed.

I heard Garnett on Radio 4 a month ago and posted, to which Percy replied he had also read the autobiography.

Was it a good read? I reckon my mom may enjoy it.

No, I said my auntie's got it and I will borrow it when she's read it.
It's quite a harrowing read in the early part of the book and he does - understandably - dwell on the  revelations about his background.  (Not the expected 'poverty porn' for someone born in the 1930's either...)  There's a strong sense of  self-exorcism going on and the act of writing it seems to help purge his darker memories.

 For me (selfishly, I'll concede) the book really comes into its own when he relates the struggles to create (IMHO) some of the the most radical and truly revelatory  drama about the real lives of working-class and lower middle-class Brits in the context of a class-ridden and inhibited society.  Garnett and Ken Loach, via the BBC 'Wednesday Plays',  at their best just seemed to communicate 'issues' in a credible, visceral way. Partisan? Sure, but they stirred things to the point where a huge audience had its consciousness radicalised about such things as homelessness ("Cathy Come Home"), educational provision ("Kes"), sexual issues ("Up the Junction"), mental health ("In Two Minds"), working-class power ("The Big Flame"/"Days of Hope") etc. (Yes, I know as we look back in our social-democratic paradise (not!) at those efforts and ask did they really change things, I would argue that they articulated questions about our society which are still being posed and can't be buried because of their vivid depictions having a presence in the thinking of many millions.)

Garnett's Villa-love - although he never claims to be a regular attendee - just seems to me to cement his integrity. (There's no logic to that last opinion: it just feels so right about a person I admire - 'a good 'un' !)

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #323 on: August 25, 2016, 01:57:36 PM »
That's a fine post -reminded me of my childhood!!

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #324 on: August 26, 2016, 11:54:30 AM »
I just signed up to Netflix recently having ditched my Foxtel and have been watching a comedy called Cuckoo. It's a few years old now, but never heard of it before. It's got the wanker teacher from inbetweeners in it and the family live in Lichfield. Seen a few villa references in it and a villa tea towel in the last one. Not sure if the character is a villa fan, or whether it's the actor shoehorning villa references into the show?

I believe the writers are Villa fans, so they made the character one too.  Not sure if Greg Davies is a Villa fan though, I've never heard him mention it.
Greg Davies is a self confessed blue nose. Shame that I quite like him.

Is he? When did he admit to that dishonour?
He's owned up several times on TV. Sorry I can't give you an example but I have definitely heard him say it.

Well this is what he said 5 years ago on Soccer AM.

Quote
"I'm very excited to be on a football show because I know the least about football out of any person in the United Kingdom!" he told Soccer AM.

"The vast majority of my friends really love football and they've really tried to help me fit in, but I don't fit in. I mean look at the state of me!

"It was mainly in the '90s really [that they tried to help me] - specifically during Euro '96. They wrote down a load of catchphrases for me to shout in pubs so I wouldn't feel left out, it was really sweet.

"One of my proudest moments of all-time was when I was in a crowded pub during an England match and I went 'Ince's doing well despite his Italian form' and load of blokes sitting next to me went 'yeah, yeah he is'! "
I must of misheard or misunderstood something I heard him say to someone on a panel show (possibly to frank skinner) or maybe I've imagined the whole thing!
Question: how the hell did you drag up a transcript of a conversation on soccer AM from 5 years ago?

No, that makes sense.  A bloser = someone who knows nothing about football!

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #325 on: August 27, 2016, 12:38:31 PM »
Guitarist from Ash just said he's s Villa fan on Soccer AM. Didn't know that. Seeing them at a festival in Portsmouth tomorrow. Great live band.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #326 on: August 27, 2016, 06:53:58 PM »
Guitarist from Ash just said he's s Villa fan on Soccer AM. Didn't know that. Seeing them at a festival in Portsmouth tomorrow. Great live band.

Yes, saw that. Bass player though.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #327 on: August 27, 2016, 08:55:45 PM »
Adil Ray and Pauline McLynn both on Pointless this evening. No mention of Villa though.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #328 on: August 28, 2016, 12:04:02 AM »
If ever a TV programme summed up the Villa, that's it right there.

A seemingly eternal quest for as few points of possible, the gurning grimace of a couple of smug bastard know it alls lurking in the background, at least one of them must be an Arsenal fan, and the biggest chance of amusement comes from someone else making a complete arse of themselves.

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Re: Celebrity Fans. What's The Point?
« Reply #329 on: August 28, 2016, 07:05:50 AM »
like that - let's rename this thread Villa Fans - Why?

 


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