Barry Bannan

[Ryu]

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Very true.  Like him or not, Heskey gives you a certain sense of security in terms of general team play and extra cover on defending set pieces, whereas wee Barry is still a bit of an unknown.  My hope is that he's trying to keep us solid to start with and will then try and and add that bit extra, which Bannan will provide.
 
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That's very much as how I see it too.  The solid start is all important, once we have points on the board we should begin to be more expansive with the likes of Bannan having a major role.  Having said that, I feel that Bannan would be far more suited to playing against the likes of Everton than Wolves or Blackburn so I'd start him on Saturday.




Yep

[Holtenderinthesky]

Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good? 

Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes.  I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player.  I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view. 

[Ryu]

--- Quote from: Rigadon on Today at 08:52:32 AM ---Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good? 

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Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes.  I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player.  I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view. 


its barely even September and your talking about the manager having a 'lack of faith' in players!  Even though when we looked under a bit of pressure against blackburn AMs reaction was to bring on Clark and Bannan. By then end of last season even GH didn't 'have faith' in Makoun so I don't really get your argument at all. The season has barely started, we don't really know who the manager likes or doesn't. 

[Holtenderinthesky]

--- Quote from: Rigadon on Today at 08:52:32 AM ---Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good? 

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Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes.  I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player.  I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view. 


its barely even September and your talking about the manager having a 'lack of faith' in players!  Even though when we looked under a bit of pressure against blackburn AMs reaction was to bring on Clark and Bannan. By then end of last season even GH didn't 'have faith' in Makoun so I don't really get your argument at all. The season has barely started, we don't really know who the manager likes or doesn't. 

If only I'd have heard of Alex McLeish before he came to the Villa, maybe then I could form an idea as to what kind of manger he is.    Oh wait.... 

[Ryu]

If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.

[Monty]

If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.

Though I'm not his biggest fan, I do feel like I should possibly point out that you wouldn't call N'Zogbia a hoofball merchant, and that in fact you might call Charlie Adam one.

[Holtenderinthesky]

If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.

Who mentioned hoof ball?  I didn't, but I have to say that if you are suggesting that McLeish is a manger that likes to play good football then I, along with millions of others, will have to disagree with you.  This is not about questioning his ability to succeed at achieving the mid table mediocrity our board are aiming for, I think he may just do that, however I think his football is dreadful and there are players at the Villa whose playing time will be limited due to the style of play he is implementing.

[Ryu]

That was my point Monty. Sarcasm once agin failing on the internet!

I was answering Holtenderinthesky by saying that in the past AM has signed players known for playing FOOTBALL. Although admittedly he also signed well known hard man defensive midfielder Alexander Hleb for the blues.

[Concrete John]

If only I'd have heard of Alex McLeish before he came to the Villa, maybe then I could form an idea as to what kind of manger he is.    Oh wait.... 

Yep, forming an opinion based solely on what he did in his previous jobs is the way to go.

Sweriously though, we're far to early to form any meaningful judgements.  Is the Heskey role his for good or is he waiting to work a Bannan/Ireland in?  How does Jenas fot in?  Will a more attacking FB in Hutton change things at all?  Have his methods fully sunk in with the players yet?

Still a long way to go before we know what sort of Villa manager we have on our hands. 

[Ryu]

Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!

I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.

[Vanilla]

Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!

I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.

I agree, there have only been 3 games, but wouldn't it been useful to alternate players against, dare I say inferior opposition. I know the manager wanted to get off to a decent start, but although we never looked like losing the Wolves game, we never looked like winning it either.

As such, are we just saving Bannan for better teams. What do we do then? Chuck him in at the deep end and start him against Manure, or throw him on as a sub when we are already 3-0 down to Citeh?

[Monty]

As Chris mentioned on the Heskey thread, caution is, of course, always the watchword with young talent, and we must make sure we don't over-expose him as seems to have been the case with Albrighton. However, the type of player Bannan is, and how he is at the moment, indicates that he has more to his game than Marc, and also suggests that he could peak really really well, should he work on the right things and be in the right team and set up.

I'm not saying he'll be as good as Deco or Pirlo, but it's worth pointing out how similar they were in their developments to where Bannan is now at similar ages: the technique, vision, movement and thinking were there, but as playmakers they play with such fine margins they still had subtleties to learn, weight of pass, when to play the killer ball etc, which explains to some extent why those two peaked so late (other factors were at play of course, like Deco's love of partying and Pirlo's lack of playing in the right role). Like I say, I'm not saying Bannan will get to the same exalted level as those two, but he has many of the attributes he needs to be a very good player indeed.

[TheSandman]

As much as it grieves me to say this (as one of the lad's biggest fans) but I came to the conclusion last season that he was going to end up moving on before he broke through as a first team star somewhere and nothing I have seen since I started to feel that has changed my mind.

[pedro25]

I'd start Bannan, Ireland, Albrighton and Jenas ahead of Heskey, they are midfielders for a start which helps.

[timeoutbigbar]

The problem I can see for Bannan is that when he does get a chance, my guess will be he'll be playing on the wing.  He's not bad there, he has a decent delivery, but I think his real talent is his ability on the ball and awareness of space, and that would be best suited to a role in the middle of the park.  Might affect his chances of appearing consistently if he doesn't perform playing wide.