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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Matthius on August 24, 2011, 10:11:47 AM
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Couldnt attend last night for personal reasons but have heard that he played really well. So i just pray that this "blackpool to offer £1m for Barry Bannan" is a load of rubbish.
With the state petrov is in (not slagging him off, Just think he's getting on a bit now) players like Bannan are a must have, and i hope if this offer is true the villa tell blackpool to do one.
Anyone else heard this ?
Matthius
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to be fair , it was a van load of blackpool rock as well..
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Ian Holloway would never make a derisory offer for a player would he.
I think it's tosh although BB like the rest of our not so young youngsters all need to step up this season
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I agree they need to step up to the plate. I also think they need to be given the chance to shine under Mcliesh before there is any talk of getting rid.
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A 21 year old with 50 premier and championship appearances under his belt and half a dozen full caps for his country ?
Holloway must have a similar grip on reality as Colonel Gaddaffi if he thinks Bannan is worth just a £1million.
Whats Bannans current contract situation anyway ?
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I agree they need to step up to the plate. I also think they need to be given the chance to shine under Mcliesh before there is any talk of getting rid.
Agree
Hopefully Am will use the squad so if someone has a shit game they get dropped and a youngster comes in and if the do well they stop there.
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"Agree
Hopefully Am will use the squad so if someone has a shit game they get dropped and a youngster comes in and if the do well they stop there."
E.G Fabian Delph. Played brilliantly against Blackburn i think.
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Why on Earth would Blackpool want any players from a half arsed club that used to be famous?
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"Agree
Hopefully Am will use the squad so if someone has a shit game they get dropped and a youngster comes in and if the do well they stop there."
E.G Fabian Delph. Played brilliantly against Blackburn i think.
Exactly
That was what MON so clearly lacked and even Houllier to an extent.
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Cracking little player, hope he gets lots of time in the first team this season.
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Barry Bannan will go on to be a top top player I really hope it is with us you can see by the way he plays the game that he his an intelligent player he just needs more game time in my opinion.
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Bannan is the most talented of our young players, possibly the most technically gifted at the club full-stop and is the type of player we've needed for ages. I see Eck said no to Holloway a couple of months ago. That seems in order.
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He was very good last night. Always looking to be involved and very busy. Of all the "fringe" players, he's the one closest to breaking into the first team.
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I've always had high hopes for him and I'm delighted to see him develop into the player he is.
Delph will be a great partner to him and I reckon Gardner will complete a pretty formidable midfield three in the next year or two.
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Why on Earth would Blackpool want any players from a half arsed club that used to be famous?
Correctamondo!!
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We should be playing him IMO.
He has the potential to be a magical player.
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I've a feeling we'll see him start on Saturday.
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Reading the Blackpool forums you'd think they only need to up the price to £2 million to get him. As delusional as their manager it seems.
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Really hope AM tells Holloway to 'do one'. Bannan is a superb player in the making. He was outstanding last night (OK only Hereford but he was our best player IMO). Some say his (lack of) height is an issue but his strength is with the ball on the floor, and notwithstanding that comical jump for a header against Nzonzi last week, his size doesn't matter (women have been telling me that for years!). Watched him play for Scotland last year and he made Charlie Adam look totally useless in comparison.
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Ian Holloway: things have changed. Last year your team was in the Premier League, and every week you had a televised press conference before and after every game.
This year is different. you can open your mouth and talk crap, but it's only the local paper that's listening.
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Ian Holloway: things have changed. Last year your team was in the Premier League, and every week you had a televised press conference before and after every game.
This year is different. you can open your mouth and talk crap, but it's only the local paper that's listening.
Low rent-a-gob.
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Holloway do not even go there .... Bannan is on the up. You are well on the way down .....
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Ian Holloway: things have changed. Last year your team was in the Premier League, and every week you had a televised press conference before and after every game.
This year is different. you can open your mouth and talk crap, but it's only the local paper that's listening.
Ian Holloway: things have changed. Last year your team was in the Premier League, and every week you had a televised press conference before and after every game.
This year is different. you can open your mouth and talk crap, but it's only the local paper that's listening.
He still has his article in the Independent on Sunday, Dom Jolly does too, neither will I read as there is enough things in life on Sunday in our house which could easily annoy me.
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Here's a quote from a Jonathan Wilson article about the rise (and not fall) of the small spanish type midfielder. The Premier League is probably a little bit behind international football but let's hope he can become our Xavi/iniesta.
"Since the heyday of Clairefontaine, the offside rule has been radically liberalised, something that has had the effect of stretching the effective playing area from around 35-40 yards to around 60, creating more space and allowing smaller players to play."
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Not for sale under any circumstances.
Especially to a half arsed club who were never famous.
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Bannan's obviously not the tallest player in the world, but he seems to have that Alan Wright spirit of not being overawed by much larger players, and seems fairly hard to shift off the ball for a titch. I don't think he's ready to be a regular just yet, but I think he'll have a big part to play this season. His range of passing is easily the best of anybody at the club.
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How much did he reckon Charlie Adam was worth? He can double that and still do one.
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Can't see what the problem is concerning his height. From the numbers I have seen he is the same height as Paul Scholes.
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Bannan looks like he's going to be a quality player to me, keep him and play him.
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No thanks Gollum, bugger off down the prom, prom, prom!
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Great little player and I like watching him play more than anyone else at Villa right now. Played well in difficult circumstances in Moscow and Man City (FA Cup) away and keeps on trying to play his game whatever happens so I'm not that worried whether he is tough enough. His style of play doesn't particularly fit with the team's at the moment though, so my main fear is that he'll leave without showing what he can do. I won't lose any sleep over Holloway's advances though.
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Holloway must have a similar grip on reality as Colonel Gaddaffi if he thinks Bannan is worth just a £1million.
This is not a fair comparison ...Gaddafi is not that bad!
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Bannan is the best thing to hit this club since Barry and i think he has a bit more vision than our former captain. This could be his season to emerge and it would be a sheer madness to sell him now.
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Gets the crowd on their feet, can spot a pass, shoot, great awareness of space. The lad has got a lot of natural talent, and I really do believe he should be given a run of games this season to see what he can achieve. To Blackpool for £1m? to Holloway? f*ck off.
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If we sell Bannan for 1/2 mill to the likes of Blackburn in the championship, we might as well pack in and call it a day.
It won't happen
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Holloway? f*ck off.
Wise words.
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If we sell Bannan for 1/2 mill to the likes of Blackburn in the championship, we might as well pack in and call it a day.
It won't happen
Barry Bannan is a football genius, and like john e, I'd probably give up if this were to happen.
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Barry Bannan could easily be the next Maradona, Johan Cruyff, Lional Messi or Ronaldo, he won't but that's not the point, the point I'm making is that's how deluded Holloway is.
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Barry Bannan could easily be the next Maradona, Johan Cruyff, Lional Messi or Ronaldo, he won't but that's not the point, the point I'm making is that's how deluded Holloway is.
And hopefully not how deluded McLeish is if he sells him.
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I recall an awful lot of naysayers about a year ago saying he would never make it because of his small stature. I didn't agree and it doesn't seem to be an issue with many now. So well done BB and let's hope he continues to develop. My hope is that AM will rotate at least a little so that BB, Ireland (mental balance permitting), J2M, Delph and Petrov all get a fair run in the team at various times. And even by Holloway's standards that's a right load of old shite he is spouting.
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His passing is great but he needs to cut out the hollywood balls so often.
Then again our midfield isn't overly technical, so he doesn't really have anyone who he can keep it ticking over with.
Perhaps if we can get a midfield of Makoun, Bannan, Ireland and N'Zogbia with a more physical player working we'll see the best of Barry.
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If we sell Bannan for 1/2 mill to the likes of Blackburn in the championship, we might as well pack in and call it a day.
It won't happen
Barry Bannan is a football genius, and like john e, I'd probably give up if this were to happen.
If you were to give up mate so would I, don't think i could cope without you to be honest, yep that's what I would do, defo
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Cant quite get the hang of these iPhone quote thingies,
what i meant to say is that I love Leeb, and would follow him to the ends of the earth
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I could happily watch Bannan playing in the warm-up for 90 minutes. He has a harder and more accurate shot than any of our other players, and his close control is superb.
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Gets a start for Scotland tonight, hope he has a blinder.
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I hope he plays well and leaves McLeish with little option but to play him. Unlikely though, however well he plays he'll still be playing against Lithuania, which has to be taken into account, but he should be starting for club and country in any case.
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Looks like the wee man was MOTM for Scotland today.
Ye fuckin ken McLeish??
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Was involved in all of the good stuff Scotland did, well played Bazza.
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It was a lovely ball for the goal.
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Scotland MotM - Bannan
Ireland MotM - Dunne
England MotM - take your pick from any number of ex Villa players
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_7154684,00.html?
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how do you think siralex would deal with Bannan
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Scotland MotM - Bannan
Ireland MotM - Dunne
England MotM - take your pick from any number of ex Villa players
Young had a good first half, did nothing of any note in the 2nd. Cahill did what he had to do the rest were anonymous. Milner was poor.
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Was flicking over to the Scotland game tonight a lot and any time Bananaman had the ball he made something happen. He really seemed to come of age, and I think he'll be a regular for Scotland now. Let's hope he takes that form with him back to the Villa and he gets a run in the team.
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Getting harder to ignore him isn't it. Need to get him into the side without it effecting the balance.
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how do you think siralex would deal with Bannan
Play him more.
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It was a lovely ball for the goal.
It was, Bent would thrive on service like that.
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Based on pre-season and the bit we've seen since, Bannan is ahead of Albrighton in the pecking order for me now.
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--- Quote from: hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 10:36:19 PM ---how do you think siralex would deal with Bannan
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Play him more.
To be fair Man Ure often take several seasons to bring players through to be regular starters. How long was Fletcher on the edges of the team before making the cm position his own at OT?
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Based on pre-season and the bit we've seen since, Bannan is ahead of Albrighton in the pecking order for me now.
It all depends on how McLeish sets up the team and the tactics he wants them to play. As depressing as it is to see Heskey lumbering around the pitch whilst possibly the most technically accomplished and creative player at the club sits on the bench, one can only assume McLeish is doing it for a reason, though what that may be is beyond me. I hope, I really really hope, Bannan is one of the first names on the team sheet by Christmas.
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Man U also send way more players out on loan so they are arguably more prepared for first team football when they arrive back at the club.
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He's been out on loan though.
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Perhaps Bannan is too good a footballer to play for McLeish? I mean, an actual REAL footballer. Ditto Clark, Makoun etc....
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Perhaps Bannan is too good a footballer to play for McLeish? I mean, an actual REAL footballer. Ditto Clark, Makoun etc....
Nah.
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Perhaps Bannan is too good a footballer to play for McLeish? I mean, an actual REAL footballer. Ditto Clark, Makoun etc....
Nah.
No, you are right, Heskey is a much better option. ::)
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Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good?
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I've been a big Bannan fan for a while now and think he should be starting. My fear is not that Heskey will keep him out, but that Jenas might. The defence is looking solid, Bent will score goals and I think Gabby and N'Zog will settle into the mide positions, so it's just the balance/blend in central midfield that AM needs to work on. And right now Bannan deserves his place in that.
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--- Quote from: hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 10:36:19 PM ---how do you think siralex would deal with Bannan
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Play him more.
To be fair Man Ure often take several seasons to bring players through to be regular starters. How long was Fletcher on the edges of the team before making the cm position his own at OT?
You can't compare ths situations. Man U youngsters usually have a world class player to oust before they cement their place in the team. Bannan was excellent last night, truly excellent. If there isn't space for a player of his ability in our team then it's a sad day.
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Its early days, I know Mcleish is a big admirer of Bannan so its only a matter of time, we've only played a few games
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Its early days, I know Mcleish is a big admirer of Bannan so its only a matter of time, we've only played a few games
Spot on mate.
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Its early days, I know Mcleish is a big admirer of Bannan so its only a matter of time, we've only played a few games
Very true. Like him or not, Heskey gives you a certain sense of security in terms of general team play and extra cover on defending set pieces, whereas wee Barry is still a bit of an unknown. My hope is that he's trying to keep us solid to start with and will then try and and add that bit extra, which Bannan will provide.
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Looks like the wee man was MOTM for Scotland today.
Ye fuckin ken McLeish??
Bannan looked good playing for Scotland against Lithuania.
That's good news, but its at a standard far below the Premier League
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--- Quote from: Ryu on Today at 07:32:33 AM ------ Quote from: hawkeye on September 06, 2011, 10:36:19 PM ---how do you think siralex would deal with Bannan
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Play him more.
To be fair Man Ure often take several seasons to bring players through to be regular starters. How long was Fletcher on the edges of the team before making the cm position his own at OT?
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You can't compare ths situations. Man U youngsters usually have a world class player to oust before they cement their place in the team. Bannan was excellent last night, truly excellent. If there isn't space for a player of his ability in our team then it's a sad day.
I wasn't the one who started the man ure comparison. For what it's worth I have a feeling Barry will be in the starting line up before to long. We're only 3 games in to the PL season and if I'm not mistaken AM has used him every game hasn't he? I think Heskey has been in the team, apart from reasons already discussed, because AM wanted as many experienced 'steady eddie' types as he could get in the team to make us as solid as possible early on. And with the circumstances surrounding his appointment I don't really blame him for being a bit cautious so far. If Ivanhoe is keeping Barry out the team in a months time then I think AM could be justly criticised.
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We need to play him, he would add the craft we need.
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Its early days, I know Mcleish is a big admirer of Bannan so its only a matter of time, we've only played a few games
Very true. Like him or not, Heskey gives you a certain sense of security in terms of general team play and extra cover on defending set pieces, whereas wee Barry is still a bit of an unknown. My hope is that he's trying to keep us solid to start with and will then try and and add that bit extra, which Bannan will provide.
That's very much as how I see it too. The solid start is all important, once we have points on the board we should begin to be more expansive with the likes of Bannan having a major role. Having said that, I feel that Bannan would be far more suited to playing against the likes of Everton than Wolves or Blackburn so I'd start him on Saturday.
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--- Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on Today at 09:39:18 AM ---Its early days, I know Mcleish is a big admirer of Bannan so its only a matter of time, we've only played a few games
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Very true. Like him or not, Heskey gives you a certain sense of security in terms of general team play and extra cover on defending set pieces, whereas wee Barry is still a bit of an unknown. My hope is that he's trying to keep us solid to start with and will then try and and add that bit extra, which Bannan will provide.
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That's very much as how I see it too. The solid start is all important, once we have points on the board we should begin to be more expansive with the likes of Bannan having a major role. Having said that, I feel that Bannan would be far more suited to playing against the likes of Everton than Wolves or Blackburn so I'd start him on Saturday.
Yep
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Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good?
Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes. I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player. I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view.
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--- Quote from: Rigadon on Today at 08:52:32 AM ---Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good?
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Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes. I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player. I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view.
its barely even September and your talking about the manager having a 'lack of faith' in players! Even though when we looked under a bit of pressure against blackburn AMs reaction was to bring on Clark and Bannan. By then end of last season even GH didn't 'have faith' in Makoun so I don't really get your argument at all. The season has barely started, we don't really know who the manager likes or doesn't.
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--- Quote from: Rigadon on Today at 08:52:32 AM ---Do you really think he wouldn't play somebody because they were too good?
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Too good a FOOTBALLER, yes. I think that McLeish is a manager that likes a tough, solid, no frills type player in the midfield as opposed to a fancy footwork, skilled type player. I think McLeish is about as far removed from Houllier's style of football as is possible and the lack of faith in the likes of Clark, Makoun and Bannan (up to now) supports that view.
its barely even September and your talking about the manager having a 'lack of faith' in players! Even though when we looked under a bit of pressure against blackburn AMs reaction was to bring on Clark and Bannan. By then end of last season even GH didn't 'have faith' in Makoun so I don't really get your argument at all. The season has barely started, we don't really know who the manager likes or doesn't.
If only I'd have heard of Alex McLeish before he came to the Villa, maybe then I could form an idea as to what kind of manger he is. Oh wait.... :o
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If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.
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If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.
Though I'm not his biggest fan, I do feel like I should possibly point out that you wouldn't call N'Zogbia a hoofball merchant, and that in fact you might call Charlie Adam one.
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If only AM had ever signed or brought through anyone except hoof ball merchants. Like Arteta or Charlie Adam, for example.
Who mentioned hoof ball? I didn't, but I have to say that if you are suggesting that McLeish is a manger that likes to play good football then I, along with millions of others, will have to disagree with you. This is not about questioning his ability to succeed at achieving the mid table mediocrity our board are aiming for, I think he may just do that, however I think his football is dreadful and there are players at the Villa whose playing time will be limited due to the style of play he is implementing.
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That was my point Monty. Sarcasm once agin failing on the internet!
I was answering Holtenderinthesky by saying that in the past AM has signed players known for playing FOOTBALL. Although admittedly he also signed well known hard man defensive midfielder Alexander Hleb for the blues.
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If only I'd have heard of Alex McLeish before he came to the Villa, maybe then I could form an idea as to what kind of manger he is. Oh wait.... :o
Yep, forming an opinion based solely on what he did in his previous jobs is the way to go.
Sweriously though, we're far to early to form any meaningful judgements. Is the Heskey role his for good or is he waiting to work a Bannan/Ireland in? How does Jenas fot in? Will a more attacking FB in Hutton change things at all? Have his methods fully sunk in with the players yet?
Still a long way to go before we know what sort of Villa manager we have on our hands.
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Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!
I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.
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Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!
I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.
I agree, there have only been 3 games, but wouldn't it been useful to alternate players against, dare I say inferior opposition. I know the manager wanted to get off to a decent start, but although we never looked like losing the Wolves game, we never looked like winning it either.
As such, are we just saving Bannan for better teams. What do we do then? Chuck him in at the deep end and start him against Manure, or throw him on as a sub when we are already 3-0 down to Citeh?
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As Chris mentioned on the Heskey thread, caution is, of course, always the watchword with young talent, and we must make sure we don't over-expose him as seems to have been the case with Albrighton. However, the type of player Bannan is, and how he is at the moment, indicates that he has more to his game than Marc, and also suggests that he could peak really really well, should he work on the right things and be in the right team and set up.
I'm not saying he'll be as good as Deco or Pirlo, but it's worth pointing out how similar they were in their developments to where Bannan is now at similar ages: the technique, vision, movement and thinking were there, but as playmakers they play with such fine margins they still had subtleties to learn, weight of pass, when to play the killer ball etc, which explains to some extent why those two peaked so late (other factors were at play of course, like Deco's love of partying and Pirlo's lack of playing in the right role). Like I say, I'm not saying Bannan will get to the same exalted level as those two, but he has many of the attributes he needs to be a very good player indeed.
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As much as it grieves me to say this (as one of the lad's biggest fans) but I came to the conclusion last season that he was going to end up moving on before he broke through as a first team star somewhere and nothing I have seen since I started to feel that has changed my mind.
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I'd start Bannan, Ireland, Albrighton and Jenas ahead of Heskey, they are midfielders for a start which helps.
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The problem I can see for Bannan is that when he does get a chance, my guess will be he'll be playing on the wing. He's not bad there, he has a decent delivery, but I think his real talent is his ability on the ball and awareness of space, and that would be best suited to a role in the middle of the park. Might affect his chances of appearing consistently if he doesn't perform playing wide.
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Alex Mcleish is the manager who kept Alexander Hleb on the bench basically because he was 'to good'.
I remember Alex saying that Hleb was moaning that the don't pass it enough and that they were to direct, Mcleish said it was because of the players he had.
Well he has the players in Delph, Bannan, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Makoun, so what's his reasons now?
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Alex Mcleish is the manager who kept Alexander Hleb on the bench basically because he was 'to good'.
I remember Alex saying that Hleb was moaning that the don't pass it enough and that they were to direct, Mcleish said it was because of the players he had.
Well he has the players in Delph, Bannan, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Makoun, so what's his reasons now?
Makoun left in the window Shrek and he is playing N'Zogbia and Delph
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Wasn't Hleb epically shit at Small Heath, even when he got the ball?
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Alex Mcleish is the manager who kept Alexander Hleb on the bench basically because he was 'to good'.
I remember Alex saying that Hleb was moaning that the don't pass it enough and that they were to direct, Mcleish said it was because of the players he had.
Well he has the players in Delph, Bannan, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Makoun, so what's his reasons now?
Makoun left in the window Shrek and he is playing N'Zogbia and Delph
Other than that, spot on.
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Wasn't Hleb epically shit at Small Heath, even when he got the ball?
He was epically shit when he left Arsenal. Wenger must have noticed and shipped him out.
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Alex Mcleish is the manager who kept Alexander Hleb on the bench basically because he was 'to good'.
I remember Alex saying that Hleb was moaning that the don't pass it enough and that they were to direct, Mcleish said it was because of the players he had.
Well he has the players in Delph, Bannan, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Makoun, so what's his reasons now?
Makoun left in the window Shrek and he is playing N'Zogbia and Delph
Yeah... Alex let Makoun go and is playing Delph defensively with Heskey as the link between them.
Bannan in the team makes the whole team better because of his awareness and quality, he can link up so much more effectively with N'Zogbia and Delph, bringing more out of them as a result.
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Wasn't Hleb epically shit at Small Heath, even when he got the ball?
He was epically shit when he left Arsenal. Wenger must have noticed and shipped him out.
Maybe, but he is better than what Mcleish picked ahead of him.
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Bannan in the team makes the whole team better because of his awareness and quality, he can link up so much more effectively with N'Zogbia and Delph, bringing more out of them as a result.
How do we know all this?
I'd rather Bannan were playing over Heskey as well, but that's a whole trolley-load of assumptions you've managed to make there.
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Bannan in the team makes the whole team better because of his awareness and quality, he can link up so much more effectively with N'Zogbia and Delph, bringing more out of them as a result.
How do we know all this?
I'd rather Bannan were playing over Heskey as well, but that's a whole trolley-load of assumptions you've managed to make there.
I'm going by what I've seen of Bannan nearly every time I've seen him play centrally, not out wide and by how poor heskey's touch and link up play has been this season.
Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
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Bannan in the team makes the whole team better because of his awareness and quality, he can link up so much more effectively with N'Zogbia and Delph, bringing more out of them as a result.
How do we know all this?
I'd rather Bannan were playing over Heskey as well, but that's a whole trolley-load of assumptions you've managed to make there.
I'm going by what I've seen of Bannan nearly every time I've seen him play centrally, not out wide and by how poor heskey's touch and link up play has been this season.
Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
Just out of interest how many Premiership games has Bannan played (started) ?? and out of those how many has he played in centre midfield ??
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Didnt he play when we tore Manu apart at VP for 30 mins (before they got 2 jammy goals back)
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Didnt he play when we tore Manu apart at VP for 30 mins (before they got 2 jammy goals back)
He did and like the rest of the team he was brilliant for 30 mins and im sure he was in the middle then but that was only one game and to answer my own question he has made 85 appearances but 44 were as a sub but i am sure those include his loan games for Blackpool, Leeds, etc
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Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
Has McGinge been quoted saying that?
With Bannan in the middle - along with Delph and Petrov - I'm guessing that McMinge sees that as too light-weight. Perhaps with the arrival of JJ, there are more opportunities to play a playmaker like BB.
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I do think with Jenas now in contention, that will allow Bannan a better chance of starting. But i would not bet on it. Mcleish has not lost a premier game and will be much more inclined to use players who can cover defensive positions than constructive players. As not losing has always been his philosophy .........
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I do think with Jenas now in contention, that will allow Bannan a better chance of starting.
How does another player being brought in who plays in his preferred position give him a better chance of starting when he wasn't before?
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Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
Has McGinge been quoted saying that?
With Bannan in the middle - along with Delph and Petrov - I'm guessing that McMinge sees that as too light-weight. Perhaps with the arrival of JJ, there are more opportunities to play a playmaker like BB.
Jenas is even more lightweight than Petrov or Delph.
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The Scotland fans on the Tartan Army website are certainly raving about Barry. One poster compared him to a young Gordon Strachan, which is high praise in my opinion.
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I do think with Jenas now in contention, that will allow Bannan a better chance of starting.
How does another player being brought in who plays in his preferred position give him a better chance of starting when he wasn't before?
Bannan Doesn't need another player to allow him the chance to show how useful he is to the side, his football is doing the talking and he has earned the start v Everton IMO.
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I watched last nights highlights on the BBC website, and it was basically Bannan vs Lithuania. If the sweaties had anyone who could finish he'd have had at least 3 assists.
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I watched last nights highlights on the BBC website, and it was basically Bannan vs Lithuania. If the sweaties had anyone who could finish he'd have had at least 3 assists.
This. +1. Fact!!!1111
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I watched last nights highlights on the BBC website, and it was basically Bannan vs Lithuania. If the sweaties had anyone who could finish he'd have had at least 3 assists.
This. +1. Fact!!!1111
There was one chance where he gets the ball out on the left, nobody in the box, and he feints to cross a couple of times, but he's drifting further left as he does it and you think he's gone to wide, then he just teases a beautiful ball straight onto Naismith's head on the edge of the six yard box and the plum misses by a mile.
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With Bannan in the middle - along with Delph and Petrov - I'm guessing that McMinge sees that as too light-weight. Perhaps with the arrival of JJ, there are more opportunities to play a playmaker like BB.
Jenas is even more lightweight than Petrov or Delph.
Do you think so? - my original comment related to the fact that JJ has the height and the energy to obviate the need for EIH and compensate for Petrov's 60-minute fade-out, respectively. this would allow BB to slot in to replace EIH.
Probably won't happen though, unless we get injuries to midfielders (not that I'm wishing that).
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Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
Has McGinge been quoted saying that?
With Bannan in the middle - along with Delph and Petrov - I'm guessing that McMinge sees that as too light-weight. Perhaps with the arrival of JJ, there are more opportunities to play a playmaker like BB.
Jenas is even more lightweight than Petrov or Delph.
The spurs fans have typically described Jenas as a "box to box" type player so his defending is probably more about where he is on the pitch as opposed to heroic last ditch tackled, whereas I'd suggest Bannan is more of a specialist playmaker. In fact I think he'd be wasted is he was asked to track back and do too much donkey work.
Therefore if the box to box description is correct then I'd hope Jenas is earmarked for the current Delph/Petrov positions. It might also explain why Jenas has become used less frequently as the Box to box style midfielder is used less often nowadays.
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Makoun was supposed to be a box-to-player as well. He wasn't, and neither is Jenas. Bannan is just a player who is entertaining to watch. And bloody hell we could do with some entertainment right now.
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Just watched those highlights. How shit is Naismith? Not only that, when he does score from yet another Bannen delivery does he go and thank him? No, he runs to the opposite corner to take the plaudits as if he'd just emulated Messi.
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Just watched those highlights. How shit is Naismith? Not only that, when he does score from yet another Bannen delivery does he go and thank him? No, he runs to the opposite corner to take the plaudits as if he'd just emulated Messi.
I noticed in the background though that half the team mob Barry instead.
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Makoun was supposed to be a box-to-player as well. He wasn't, and neither is Jenas. Bannan is just a player who is entertaining to watch. And bloody hell we could do with some entertainment right now.
What sort of player do you think he is Risso?
I'll be honest I was paraphrasing what my spurs mate told me and also what I have read. I'd agree that Jenas is a bit of a jack of all trades but master of none and therefore is difficult to pigeon hole as a certain type of player.
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He has to be the 'link-man'. Make sure he has some strength & experience behind him, and just give him the ball and a free role.
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Mcleish has been quoted as saying he knows Bent probably wants Bannan in the team but we can't satisfy everyone. That's abit confusing to me because The whole team should be geared towards supplying Bent, am I wrong in thinking this?
Has McGinge been quoted saying that?
With Bannan in the middle - along with Delph and Petrov - I'm guessing that McMinge sees that as too light-weight. Perhaps with the arrival of JJ, there are more opportunities to play a playmaker like BB.
Here's the exact quotes,
"Barry sees pictures and Benty (Darren Bent ) probably loved it when he came on," McLeish told the club’s official website.
"I guess Benty may fancy Barry in the team but it's difficult when you're looking at all elements of play to keep everyone satisfied but he's got a contribution to make and his cross for Benty's header was typical of the way those two connect.
"It's hard to ignore a guy of his ability. He does want to play. He does want to make the passes.
"He's got a clever mind. He's inventive and creative. There are a lot of creative players in the world as we know and we can't ignore these guys."
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Which suggests it is a matter of time. We all have seen glimpses, lets give the manager a bit of leeway, he has not lost a game yet, Bent has not been fully fit either i don't think and Bannan came on to create his best chance against Wolves. Mcleish knows he will create chances, and I reckon he will start 15-20 league games this season and come on in a fair few more. Emile will be injured soon anyway.
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I just noticed wee Barry isn't considered home grown. Was he at Villa less than three years before he turned 21?
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Didn't he join from Celtic when he was 14 or 15?
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Barry Bannan will turn out to be a super player. I think he's being handled correctly as is Clark. You can see with Marco how performances can drive up expectation and some players don't always thrive under it. Albrighton will be just finw, and judging by AM's comments he might make a couple of changes this week. I can see Bent on the bench to start with Gabby up top and Jenas, Zoggy alongside with Bazza in the hole behind. If nothing else it will be interesting to see if the little one can pull some strings against Everton.
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You see TV, I think Gabby on the wing has worked so well that I would fully understand starting Heskey up front with Gabby on the wing, with Bannan in behind. Heskey could make space for Bannan away from home against a very physical Everton side. Mind you, Bent would too, in a different way, which is no advert for Heskey.
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Could Bannan and Ireland in the same team ever work?
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Could Bannan and Ireland in the same team ever work?
Unfortunately, not a chance.
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Could Bannan and Ireland in the same team ever work?
Unfortunately, not a chance.
Even if their heads were in the right place and the rest of the team were set up to do their defending I still think it wouldn't work. They'd be making the same runs and getting in each others way too often. Although if it's good enough for Iniesta and Xaxi...
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Could Bannan and Ireland in the same team ever work?
Unfortunately, not a chance.
I don't agree, since they do seem to play different roles. Ireland can play behind the striker making late runs into the box, and you could play Bannan in a two behind him so long as his midfield partner (Petrov or Delph for example) has a more defensive-orientated role. You let Bannan act as the playmaker feeding the two wingers and also playing the slide rule and throughballs for Ireland and Bent to run onto.
But the big questions are a) is McLeish willing to play such an attacking game of football, and b) is Ireland no longer madder than cat shit.
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Could Bannan and Ireland in the same team ever work?
We're unlikely to find out, I suspect.
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Well, guess who will be SrAlex's close-season target next summer? - read this and then project forward after BB's stellar season in 2011-12!
http://tgr.ph/nDWuT4
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Bannan needs to play in heskey's role behind bent, its not brain surgery
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Well, guess who will be SrAlex's close-season target next summer? - read this and then project forward after BB's stellar season in 2011-12!
http://tgr.ph/nDWuT4
There was a reserve match last season where Bannan pretty much single handedly destroyed Man U's team. That combined with the Villa Park match and I'd imagine Ferguson is well aware of Bannan.
Let's hope he can become the sort of player that he actually wants to sign for huge amounts of money.
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--- Quote from: Ryu on September 07, 2011, 12:11:34 PM ---Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!
I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.
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I agree, there have only been 3 games, but wouldn't it been useful to alternate players against, dare I say inferior opposition. I know the manager wanted to get off to a decent start, but although we never looked like losing the Wolves game, we never looked like winning it either.
As such, are we just saving Bannan for better teams. What do we do then? Chuck him in at the deep end and start him against Manure, or throw him on as a sub when we are already 3-0 down to Citeh?
I don't disagree with you, Vanilla, but to be fair Bannan did come on to good affect against Blackburn. I agree though I would have liked to see him earlier in the wolves game, but I can still see why AM started with Heskey.
I just think some are using Bannan's lack of starts so far this season as a stick to beat the manager with and saying its evidence of the poor football we're apparently going to have to get used to this season. But I expect bannan to play a lot of games this season, so I'm not one of them.
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--- Quote from: Ryu on September 07, 2011, 12:11:34 PM ---Sorry holte ender I thought your point was that our manager has an aversion to players with skill and talent. I was just pointing out some instances in his past shows he can actually tolerate them!
I'm just not going to slate him based on the fact he hasn't started our tiny, inexperienced youngster in any of our 3 league games this season. 2 of which were against two of the leagues more NBA like sides.
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I agree, there have only been 3 games, but wouldn't it been useful to alternate players against, dare I say inferior opposition. I know the manager wanted to get off to a decent start, but although we never looked like losing the Wolves game, we never looked like winning it either.
As such, are we just saving Bannan for better teams. What do we do then? Chuck him in at the deep end and start him against Manure, or throw him on as a sub when we are already 3-0 down to Citeh?
I don't disagree with you, Vanilla, but to be fair Bannan did come on to good affect against Blackburn. I agree though I would have liked to see him earlier in the wolves game, but I can still see why AM started with Heskey.
I just think some are using Bannan's lack of starts so far this season as a stick to beat the manager with and saying its evidence of the poor football we're apparently going to have to get used to this season. But I expect bannan to play a lot of games this season, so I'm not one of them.
As you state, he did come on to good effect against Blackburn, and set up virtually our only chance against Wolves; but you worry the manager will have the same attitude to squad rotation as MON.
I am not even the greatest fan of BB, but the team sheet shows a demand for solid structure, with a plan to nick goals rather than the outright desire to win.
You could argue that might be a decent plan, considering our make do and mend squad, but stimulating football it does not make.
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I guess it will become clearer in the next few weeks what AM plans for the team and its style. Maybe he thinks having a more energetic midfielder than petrov in the middle will make room for bannan in the team? Or maybe he's just using a youngster sparingly as that's what he thinks is best for his development. If we still struggle to score and create chances in the next few games and he doesn't change anything then I think its fair to question him but as of this moment I don't think mcleish has done much wrong, when you look at what he's done in his short time as Villa manager and don't base your opinions based on certain unimpressive elements of his career up to now.
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Here's the exact quotes,
"Barry sees pictures and Benty (Darren Bent ) probably loved it when he came on," McLeish told the club’s official website.
"I guess Benty may fancy Barry in the team but it's difficult when you're looking at all elements of play to keep everyone satisfied but he's got a contribution to make and his cross for Benty's header was typical of the way those two connect.
"It's hard to ignore a guy of his ability. He does want to play. He does want to make the passes.
"He's got a clever mind. He's inventive and creative. There are a lot of creative players in the world as we know and we can't ignore these guys."
See, that sounds to me like he wants to and intends to start playing him more.
Despite everything, Emile has done OK so far this season and doesn't deserve to be dropped based on himself alone. However, failing to score in two out of three league games is a sign of a potential issue, so as manager he has to balance that with the fact we've only let in one goal in those games, which i in part to do with the overall team set up.
Personally, I'd drop Heskey and play Bannan, but I can still understand why AM might not just yet.
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I don't think mcleish has done much wrong
This is very true. The only 'bad' result we've had so far was not beating Wolves at home, but when you consider their form and that we lost that game the previous season, even that was far from disastrous.
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That's something I was thinking about the otjer day John. Last season we beat blackburn at home, but lost to fulham away and wolves at home. So we've done better in our 3 games this season when compared with the same games under GH.
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I don't think mcleish has done much wrong
This is very true. The only 'bad' result we've had so far was not beating Wolves at home, but when you consider their form and that we lost that game the previous season, even that was far from disastrous.
Remember this was our easy start to the season as a lot of pundits stated. I am just worried we are reading too much into that Blackburn victory, a team which couldn't score against Everton, even when given two penalties.
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That's something I was thinking about the otjer day John. Last season we beat blackburn at home, but lost to fulham away and wolves at home. So we've done better in our 3 games this season when compared with the same games under GH.
We drew with Fulham away,although it felt like a loss
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What I'm reading into the three games thus far is a very strong defence, which I think we'll continue with through the season. As we also know we have players that can score and create, getting the blend of that front 6 right is where we'll fail or suceed this season.
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We played superbly at Fulham away last season with Bannan, Clark, Albrighton and Delfouneso all playing. They were benchwarmers this time round, and we were pretty dire, same result though granted.
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I wouldn't say we were dire, although it was a pretty dull game all round. And say what you like about Clark and Bannan, but on present form Albrighton and Delfouneso do not deserve a start ahead of Gabby, Nzogbia and Bent.
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We did indeed Pedro, the ball from wee Barry to Marc for the goal was one the passes of the seasom IMO.
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Here's the exact quotes,
"Barry sees pictures and Benty (Darren Bent ) probably loved it when he came on," McLeish told the club’s official website.
"I guess Benty may fancy Barry in the team but it's difficult when you're looking at all elements of play to keep everyone satisfied but he's got a contribution to make and his cross for Benty's header was typical of the way those two connect.
"It's hard to ignore a guy of his ability. He does want to play. He does want to make the passes.
"He's got a clever mind. He's inventive and creative. There are a lot of creative players in the world as we know and we can't ignore these guys."
See, that sounds to me like he wants to and intends to start playing him more.
Despite everything, Emile has done OK so far this season and doesn't deserve to be dropped based on himself alone. However, failing to score in two out of three league games is a sign of a potential issue, so as manager he has to balance that with the fact we've only let in one goal in those games, which i in part to do with the overall team set up.
Personally, I'd drop Heskey and play Bannan, but I can still understand why AM might not just yet.
I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head there, John - Heskey can't really have played that well because his role is surely to help the creation of chances and, frankly, in two out of three games not only did we not score, we barely created anything. He may have done well defensively (though I don't actually remember him clearing away more than two set-pieces over the course of all the three games), but while it's 1 point for a draw and 3 for a win a team should always prioritise how its forward players can attack, not defend (besides, Bannan helps us defensively by keeping the ball better - it's the old Clough maxim, that if you have the ball in their half, they can't score).
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Quote from: Ryu on Today at 10:20:19 AM ---That's something I was thinking about the otjer day John. Last season we beat blackburn at home, but lost to fulham away and wolves at home. So we've done better in our 3 games this season when compared with the same games under GH.
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We drew with Fulham away,although it felt like a loss
My mistake, it was so gutting I must have remembered it as a loss. I still maintain that its not been a bad start, at all and my feeling is that if pretty much any other manager had been appointed than mcleish a more people would be giving him a bit of leeway rather than proclaiming that anything approaching decent football has been banished from VP for the forseeable future.
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I'm afraid you've hit the nail on the head there, John - Heskey can't really have played that well because his role is surely to help the creation of chances and, frankly, in two out of three games not only did we not score, we barely created anything. He may have done well defensively (though I don't actually remember him clearing away more than two set-pieces over the course of all the three games), but while it's 1 point for a draw and 3 for a win a team should always prioritise how its forward players can attack, not defend (besides, Bannan helps us defensively by keeping the ball better - it's the old Clough maxim, that if you have the ball in their half, they can't score).
Although I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, you could also argue he's scored one of our three league goals this season.
I don't think AM sees him as being creative as such, but arther he's there to hold the ball up and feed others. Plus his ability at set pieces. I'd still prefer Bannan and think we'll see that change before too long.
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Quote from: Ryu on Today at 10:20:19 AM ---That's something I was thinking about the otjer day John. Last season we beat blackburn at home, but lost to fulham away and wolves at home. So we've done better in our 3 games this season when compared with the same games under GH.
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We drew with Fulham away,although it felt like a loss
My mistake, it was so gutting I must have remembered it as a loss. I still maintain that its not been a bad start, at all and my feeling is that if pretty much any other manager had been appointed than mcleish a more people would be giving him a bit of leeway rather than proclaiming that anything approaching decent football has been banished from VP for the forseeable future.
I agree Ryu,although we'll never be playing like Barcelona I think he has made a good start.His priority was our defence,getting us more solid and getting back the reputation of being hard to beat.Last season we dropped so many points from winning positions opposing teams knew they had a chance of getting something from us right to the end.In my opinion he has got everything spot on so far
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John I agree. Heskey isn't as bad as some would have you believe and has done Ok this season, even scoring a goal! And reading AM's comments it appears he rates Bannan pretty highly so I'm sure he'll feature regularly this season.
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I hope Bannan gets a chance but this supposed good start won't be so good if we have drawn 10 games by November, which will happen if he keeps playing Heskey in an attacking role.
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Really Bannan should be up there as being one of the first names on the team sheet, MOTM for Scotland the other night, he should be on a role, another key figure should be Dunne.
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Really Bannan should be up there as being one of the first names on the team sheet, MOTM for Scotland the other night, he should be on a role, another key figure should be Dunne.
While I want him in the team also, the level of competition is going to be much greater. First name on the team sheet, no.. but worth a punt, sure.
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Bannan will break in soon enough and stay in. He has the quality, maybe AM is nutruring him?...
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Bannan is what 22? So if he is good enough he should start.
Personally i think it's criminal that Heskey plays and Bannan doesn't