Ex- Villa Players still playing watch

[Brazilian Villain]

I can't be, I've never heard of Shaun Messi either!

Shaun translates to Juan in Spanish, you must at least have heard the chant.

[Drummond]

I can't be, I've never heard of Shaun Messi either!

Shaun translates to Juan in Spanish, you must at least have heard the chant.

Oh Shaun Kerr!

[rooboy316]

I can't be, I've never heard of Shaun Messi either!

Shaun translates to Juan in Spanish, you must at least have heard the chant.

Oh Shaun Kerr!

Yes, that can get Messi.

[Hookeysmith]

Saw this today:

'Easah Suliman, the 25-year-old former Villa centre-back, terminated the contract that linked him to Vitória de Guimarães and headed to Sumqayit, the Azerbaijani team announced on Tuesday. 
The defender, formed at Aston Villa, arrived at Guimarães in January 2020, but never managed to impose himself, not going beyond 18 games in a season and a half.  The international for Pakistan was later loaned to Nacional [15 games in 2021/2022] and Vilafranquense [18 games in 2022/2023].
He now says goodbye to Vitória to embrace a new challenge.'

Bloody hell that is what you would call a football journeyman - starting a new life in Azerbaijan  - not sure if it would excite or terrify me?

[Dave]

Saw this today:

'Easah Suliman, the 25-year-old former Villa centre-back, terminated the contract that linked him to Vitória de Guimarães and headed to Sumqayit, the Azerbaijani team announced on Tuesday. 
The defender, formed at Aston Villa, arrived at Guimarães in January 2020, but never managed to impose himself, not going beyond 18 games in a season and a half.  The international for Pakistan was later loaned to Nacional [15 games in 2021/2022] and Vilafranquense [18 games in 2022/2023].
He now says goodbye to Vitória to embrace a new challenge.'

Bloody hell that is what you would call a football journeyman - starting a new life in Azerbaijan  - not sure if it would excite or terrify me?

Just because it's pedantry Friday, journeyman means you are reliable and qualified, but not outstanding - not that you move around.

Not saying that Suliman isn't a journeyman footballer. But you can be one of those and never change club. It's just coincidence that reliable, but not outstanding footballers are the type that might well move around a lot.

[Risso]

Although as Wiki now says:

"In British English, a journeyman is a player who has represented many clubs over his career. Prime examples from association football are: German goalkeeper Lutz Pfannenstiel, who represented 27 clubs, and he is currently the only athlete to have played professionally in all six FIFA Confederations; Trevor Benjamin, who has represented 29 clubs since 1995; Drewe Broughton, who has made 18 transfers in his career; John Burridge, who played for 29 clubs in a career spanning almost 30 years; Jefferson Louis who, since the 1990s, has represented 34 clubs and Dominica once; his cousin Richard Pacquette who boasts 19 clubs and even international honours in 10 seasons; and Sebastián Abreu, who in 2017 broke the world record for most clubs played by a professional; as of 2021, at the age of 44, he is playing for the 31st club in his career.[20]

The term is also used in Australian English and New Zealand English in the same context, with the added idiom of "recycling" for the tendency for the clubs in the relatively small structure of Australian football to continually rotate the same experienced, professional, but generally unspectacular players around the league to fill gaps in the club squads. An example of such "recycling" is found with Antony Golec, who has played for 7 of the 12 current A-League clubs, never staying with one for more than 3 seasons in a row.[21]

The term is also used derogatorily, along with mercenary, to refer to players who join various affluent clubs purely in search of higher contractual payouts, clubs which they would likely never join otherwise.[22][23]

In contrast, players who represent the same club throughout their entire careers are called one-club men."

Which I appreciate is a move away from the original meaning, from the French for day "jour" so somebody who worked for a day rate rather than being a skilled artisan. But the word journey does at least make sense in that the players have often travelled widely, so I think it's an example of language developing over time and one that probably makes more sense now than the original definition.

[Dave]

I'm all for language developing to help the user but this sort of example is one up with which I will not put.

[Bad English]

Churchillian!

[Risso]

Surely us taking an original American phrase and changing it, is a suitable riposte to all the times they've mangled our language?!

[Brazilian Villain]

Jake Doyle-Hayes starts for Hibs in their season opener.

[FatSam]

Wesley got his first goal for Stoke in their 2-1 EFL Cup win over West Brom this evening. Seems to have been put down as an own goal by the West Brom keeper in some reports.

[paul_e]

Wesley got his first goal for Stoke in their 2-1 EFL Cup win over West Brom this evening. Seems to have been put down as an own goal by the West Brom keeper in some reports.

It was an own goal, Wes did really well to control, turn and get a shot away but it hit the post and went in off the keepers back.

[dcdavecollett]

Good to see Wes doing well.

[Hookeysmith]

Really pleased for him - he has put on so much timber i hardly recognised him

[PaulWinch again]

Andre has signed permanently for Rotherham I see.