Official - Houllier leaves by mutual consent (p.28)

[gervilla]

Has a press conference been called for tomorrow ?

[Legion]

Anyway I'm glad he's going - he never was for Villa long term.

There is a massive opportunity now, let's grab it.

I'm not. I'd have loved to see what could have been.

[London Villan]

Anyway I'm glad he's going - he never was for Villa long term.

There is a massive opportunity now, let's grab it.

Let's hope they learnt their lesson after all the dithering in August/September...

Carlo please!

[deanl123]

I think we can ignore all of the ITK speculation that's going around. As we know from Houllier's appointment, it will definately not be based on what the public knows about any manager, but how he performs at the interview with Randy.

Randy has to work closely with the new manager and has to trust this person with his multi-million pound investment. He will not choose Hughes/ Ancelotti/ Moyes etc on the basis of what they have achieved in the past, but on how he feels as they progress through the recruitment processs.

[dave.woodhall]

I think we can ignore all of the ITK speculation that's going around. As we know from Houllier's appointment, it will definately not be based on what the public knows about any manager, but how he performs at the interview with Randy.

Randy has to work closely with the new manager and has to trust this person with his multi-million pound investment. He will not choose Hughes/ Ancelotti/ Moyes etc on the basis of what they have achieved in the past, but on how he feels as they progress through the recruitment processs.

Get back off the subject.

[paul_e]

I think we can ignore all of the ITK speculation that's going around. As we know from Houllier's appointment, it will definately not be based on what the public knows about any manager, but how he performs at the interview with Randy.

Randy has to work closely with the new manager and has to trust this person with his multi-million pound investment. He will not choose Hughes/ Ancelotti/ Moyes etc on the basis of what they have achieved in the past, but on how he feels as they progress through the recruitment processs.

Get back off the subject.

Actualy he was off the subject considering this is the houllier leaving thread not the who should replace him thread...

[holtepaul]

No - if you look at my posts I have always said, I dont mind Houllier staying as , I think in two or three years he can get it right - and I still think that.

However, whatever he does / do or would of done in 2014 - does not hide the fact 2010-2011 was an utter disgrace of a season for Aston Villa Football Club.

performances on the pitch were appalling. The manager made balls up after balls up, the players fought with each other, the players slagged the management off publically, the management slagged the players off publically, players were told to stay away from the training ground and so on and so on.

I felt given time GH may have got it right, and was prepared to give him a chance.

But that does NOT mean this year was acceptable, it was appalling, it was an embarrassment, and it was a disgrace.

No one will know who was to blame, but as the manager, gerard Houllier has to take responsibility for it

And as for finishing 9th, and as I said, no matter how we got there , we got there. But McAllister got 8 crucial points in 5 awkward games , 6 of those points totally against the odds. So to me GH was no where near responsible for what was at the end, and acceptable finish.

[Ian.]

I can't say I remember any public slagging off from our players? Did I miss this?

[holtepaul]

So you never saw the interviews with Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Dunne (post training dispute when they threatened to walk out) ,

Seriously, have I woke up from a 9 month dream, coz people seem to have totally forgotten what has gone on over the last nine months - it's unbelievable !

[holtepaul]

So you never saw the interviews with Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Dunne (post training dispute when they threatened to walk out) ,

Seriously, have I woke up from a 9 month dream, coz people seem to have totally forgotten what has gone on over the last nine months - it's unbelievable !

Sorry, I also forgot Luke Youngs "wasted year" interview as well

[paul_e]

No - if you look at my posts I have always said, I dont mind Houllier staying as , I think in two or three years he can get it right - and I still think that.

However, whatever he does / do or would of done in 2014 - does not hide the fact 2010-2011 was an utter disgrace of a season for Aston Villa Football Club.

performances on the pitch were appalling. The manager made balls up after balls up, the players fought with each other, the players slagged the management off publically, the management slagged the players off publically, players were told to stay away from the training ground and so on and so on.

I felt given time GH may have got it right, and was prepared to give him a chance.

But that does NOT mean this year was acceptable, it was appalling, it was an embarrassment, and it was a disgrace.

No one will know who was to blame, but as the manager, gerard Houllier has to take responsibility for it

And as for finishing 9th, and as I said, no matter how we got there , we got there. But McAllister got 8 crucial points in 5 awkward games , 6 of those points totally against the odds. So to me GH was no where near responsible for what was at the end, and acceptable finish.

It's the bottom bit of this that I don't understand, yes we got 6 points against arsenal and liverpool that we didn't expect but they're not worth anything more than the 3 points against man city in january, or any other win in the season.

To repeat at the risk of winning the 'discussion through persistence.  The form between october and january was a disaster.  The rest of the season was no great drop from what we experienced under MON (and was certainly in line with what any sane person would expect given the circumstances of MONs departure), to consider the entire season an unmitigated disaster is just not a reflection of what happened.

However you paint it the period where we struggled also coincided with a shocking run of injuries.  If you don't get just haw bad our injury problems were go have a look - http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/clubs/2/aston_villa_injuries.html  In my opinion no side outside the top 4-5 has a squad big enough to cope with that.  When you add in suspensions and the shocking form of 4-5 players during that period (warnock I'm looking at you) it was never going to be easy.  That doesn't mean I don't think Houllier could've done things better but he certainly didn't have any luck.

[Chris Smith]

No - if you look at my posts I have always said, I dont mind Houllier staying as , I think in two or three years he can get it right - and I still think that.

However, whatever he does / do or would of done in 2014 - does not hide the fact 2010-2011 was an utter disgrace of a season for Aston Villa Football Club.

performances on the pitch were appalling. The manager made balls up after balls up, the players fought with each other, the players slagged the management off publically, the management slagged the players off publically, players were told to stay away from the training ground and so on and so on.

I felt given time GH may have got it right, and was prepared to give him a chance.

But that does NOT mean this year was acceptable, it was appalling, it was an embarrassment, and it was a disgrace.

No one will know who was to blame, but as the manager, gerard Houllier has to take responsibility for it

And as for finishing 9th, and as I said, no matter how we got there , we got there. But McAllister got 8 crucial points in 5 awkward games , 6 of those points totally against the odds. So to me GH was no where near responsible for what was at the end, and acceptable finish.

So why didn't you say that last week instead of "Given all the cirumstances I think this year has been a C , with a remark of "This has been an awkward  year for Gerard but if he diects his potential in the correct areas he could have a much better year next year"?

 

[holtepaul]

Well if October - January was a disaster - lets face it, Houllier was only there October to April

February record was L 1 D2 W1
March was played 3 lost 3 ! (although that has been the case for 5 years)
April was D1 won 2

So by that token you say his return was a disaster from Oct - Jan - then in the next three months we had three wins.

No - you are not convincing me !

[Ian.]

So you never saw the interviews with Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Dunne (post training dispute when they threatened to walk out) ,

Seriously, have I woke up from a 9 month dream, coz people seem to have totally forgotten what has gone on over the last nine months - it's unbelievable !

Sorry, I also forgot Luke Youngs "wasted year" interview as well

I have only read an interview with Carew to be honest. I have not forgotten any of the rumblings with Dunne but I was unaware of any public criticism of GH from Dunne. I thought Ireland was slagging of Birmingham as a city not anyone at Villa? Not that I'd listen to him anyway. It would not surprise me if Warnock has had a dig. Anyone who loses their place with a new manager does this, Sorenson rings a bell after MON joined.

[paul_e]

So you never saw the interviews with Carew, Ireland, Warnock, Dunne (post training dispute when they threatened to walk out) ,

Seriously, have I woke up from a 9 month dream, coz people seem to have totally forgotten what has gone on over the last nine months - it's unbelievable !

Sorry, I also forgot Luke Youngs "wasted year" interview as well

That was an anti-mon interview, nothing to do with houllier.

Ireland's opinion is about as valid as that of a bluenose, he's clearly mad as a box of frogs and he was awful in the most part whenever he played.

Warnock had to blame someone for going from an england player to a liability in the matter of a few months.

Dunne was just upset that he was having to do fitness work in training after a summer on the pies, no one can say he looked fit at the start of the season.

Carew may have had a point but considering his season has seen 1 goal in 27 appearances I think he should be looking much more closely at his own game rather than complaining about the manager, it's hard to defend someone being dropped, and told to up his game in the press, in that situation.  Aside from that as soon as Houllier was appointed it was clear there was going to be issues with Carew given the way he left Lyon to come to us.