Official - Houllier leaves by mutual consent (p.28)

[VillaZogmariner]

Do 4 (four) exclamation marks lend anything to your argument?

I think each exclamation mark is to signify each time Carrick touched the ball on Saturday.

[Legion]

here is maths

Work all those out as points per game.

Then put them in order of who achieved the most points per game.

Tell me out of 1st , 2nd and 3rd - who came third

Then tell me the person in 3rd did a good job ! (and that is without all the off the field stuff that we had to put up with)

As I said, but people like you always emit things like this when you lose arguaments - I actually put "I don't have the figures to hand but if I remember it was......... , but forgetting the points, it is the point I am getting at.

And the POINT IS

We had three managers this year - two of them GMac and KMac - absolutely NO ONE wants as managers as they are clearly not good enough , yet - they performed better than Houllier ! - why - answer me.

GH - had to pick up the pieces you say - NO - KMac had to pick up the pieces - HE HAD A BETTER RECORD !

ONeill had left ni-on two months prior to Houllier coming. It was no ones fault but his own he tried to change things too quickly.

Banishing Dunne / Collins - who he eventually put back in (wierdly after they fought each other) and they kept us up , banishing others like Warnock when he had no replacement, slagging off Carew in the press the week he arrived , banishing Cueller

Of course it needed doing in time, but not straight away - there was no need, and it nearly took us down.

I know football fans have short memories but I am dumb founded people have forgotten the crap we have just endured after 9 days !!

Your response is quoting yourself.

[Chris Smith]

I know football fans have short memories but I am dumb

[holtepaul]

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What the devil - I look at it like before Bent / after Bent

Sorry if it was as simple as this - basically, that we lacked a forward before he signed Bent

Can I ask this simple question

WHY DID HE SLAG OFF OUR TOP SCORER THE WEEK HE ARRIVED AND THEN NEVER PLAYED HIM !!!!!

Granted, carew is no Darren Bent - but he was a Villa player, and one who was top scorer for the past three years.

You play your best team until you have better. If you don't and you lose games, you only have yourself to blame (and the same goes for playing Herd instead of Warnock , Lichaj instead of Cueller, one of a number instead of Dunne , and so on and so on !!

[gervilla]

I blame Billy McNeill...Useless gimp.

[Chris Smith]

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What the devil - I look at it like before Bent / after Bent

Sorry if it was as simple as this - basically, that we lacked a forward before he signed Bent

So he identified a problem, rectified it at the first opportunity and the player delivered immediately. Sounds like good management to me.

[Ger Regan]

So he identified a problem, rectified it at the first opportunity and the player delivered immediately. Sounds like good management to me.

The utter bastard.

[VillaZogmariner]

End of season report

No matter how we got there, we finished 9th - only one point of 8th and what was it, about 6 off 6th. (havent got the table at the mo)

So, at the end of the day, we went backwards but not by much, giving the fact we let so many points go from winning positions, and the players he has brought being one hell of a leap forwards from the players they replaced,

and, more importantly, the players Gerard has bought, have been our best players - suggesting he knows what he is doing

leads me to believe he deserves another year and backing in the market. We couldn't score goals, he saw it, he got Bent, we score goals.

We concede goals, he has saw it - common sense says I should trust him to solve it.

Given all the cirumstances I think this year has been a C , with a remark of "This has been an awkward  year for Gerard but if he diects his potential in the correct areas he could have a much better year next year".

But I agree with the Liverpool thing , he badly got that wrong and I hope he has learnt from it, because I for one, won't accept it again (and Man City)

I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.

[paul_e]

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What the devil - I look at it like before Bent / after Bent

Sorry if it was as simple as this - basically, that we lacked a forward before he signed Bent

Ok, now I'm confused are you agreeing or disagreeing that signing Bent was a much bigger turning point than Houllier going to hospital?

October to January was a disaster, I'll give you that, outside that period we were top easily a top 8 side.  October to January also coincided with Houllier having had no chance to add his own players (other than an over the hill Pires who was signed to add numbers at a time when we had 9 midfielders out injured) and having to cope through the worst injury crisis I've ever seen at the club.

[Ger Regan]

Hahaha, quality bazz! Now, about the word disaster Paul. That's anything under and including C then, is it?

[Ger Regan]

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What the devil - I look at it like before Bent / after Bent

Sorry if it was as simple as this - basically, that we lacked a forward before he signed Bent

Can I ask this simple question

WHY DID HE SLAG OFF OUR TOP SCORER THE WEEK HE ARRIVED AND THEN NEVER PLAYED HIM !!!!!

Granted, carew is no Darren Bent - but he was a Villa player, and one who was top scorer for the past three years.

You play your best team until you have better. If you don't and you lose games, you only have yourself to blame (and the same goes for playing Herd instead of Warnock , Lichaj instead of Cueller, one of a number instead of Dunne , and so on and so on !!

Nice changing of argument there. And for the record i supported Houllier 100% in the episode with Carew, and still do. Carew was bang out of line, and he'd have looked like a very weak manager if he hadn't acted.

[paul_e]

Can I ask this simple question

WHY DID HE SLAG OFF OUR TOP SCORER THE WEEK HE ARRIVED AND THEN NEVER PLAYED HIM !!!!!

Granted, carew is no Darren Bent - but he was a Villa player, and one who was top scorer for the past three years.

You play your best team until you have better. If you don't and you lose games, you only have yourself to blame (and the same goes for playing Herd instead of Warnock , Lichaj instead of Cueller, one of a number instead of Dunne , and so on and so on !!

Do you mean the top scorer who has a 2010/11 record of 20(7) games and 1 goal, across 2 clubs?

[SheffieldVillain]

Banishing Dunne / Collins - who he eventually put back in (wierdly after they fought each other) and they kept us up .

Dunne and Collins fought each other? I think you'll find they didn't. Completely changing events from what actually happened doesn't really add credibility to your arguments.

Also, it's interesting to know that it was all down to the dynamic, faultless defending of Dunne and Collins that we stayed up. Perhaps I was watching a different team.

[Ian.]

Quality. Well done for digging that post up!

[TimTheVillain]

Anyway I'm glad he's going - he never was for Villa long term.

There is a massive opportunity now, let's grab it.