SSN: "Downing won't commit to Villa"

[curiousorange]

When I left my previous job, where I worked with a United and a Liverpool fan, I got them both a little leaving gift: a Subbuteo trophy in a case. For the United fan, I gave him the European Cup, as that's all they seem to care about (aside from this season, where the PL title became the be-all and end-all for about a week). For the Liverpool fan, I got her a Premier League trophy. I'm not a Liverpool fan (that much is clear, hopefully) but I was right on the money when she said it was the only one she really cared about.

[Billy Walker]

I think Redman and his alter-ego missed my point.  They are debating this thread on the Liverpool.tv forum at the moment and if I could argue my point there I would do so but it appears one has to pay money to be a Liverpool.tv forum member.  I hope the posters on here don't mind me addressing the concerns of Redman (Timynwa on Liverpool.tv) and his pal very quickly, should they return to read this thread.   I think Redman's view on his thread is:

"Timynwa
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To be fair for such a ridiculous statement he's actually argued the point quite well. Think he's forgetting what 'history' is though, he's implying history is more important the further back you go ('They didn't even win their first F.A. Cup until the mid-sixties.') but that's just not true. "

No Redman.

 I'm not implying that the further back you go the more important history is.  That's what turgidly wretched Liverpool fans say to Chelsea fans.  I'm implying that fundamental to football history is the influence of a club.  Winning a whole load of trophies before Liverpool did does not make our history far superior to Liverpool's.  Being England's most trophied club for three-quarters of the twentieth century does not solely make our history far, far superior to Liverpool's, either. 

No, Redman, Aston Villa creating league football is what makes our history greater and far more influential than any other club on the planet - and if we hadn't have done it, if we hadn't created this game, your tedious, utter basket-case of a club would not exist. 

Respect your elders and betters and tell your little friends on Liverpool.tv to stop being such a tiresome bunch of deluded, gloryhunting drama queens.  (Chill out - You'll all be supporting Man City within five years and marvelling at their history anyway.)

[curiousorange]

I think Redman and his alter-ego missed my point.  They are debating this thread on the Liverpool.tv forum at the moment and if I could argue my point there I would do so but it appears one has to pay money to be a Liverpool.tv forum member.  I hope the posters on here don't mind me addressing the concerns of Redman (Timynwa on Liverpool.tv) and his pal very quickly, should they return to read this thread.   I think Redman's view on his thread is:

"Timynwa
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To be fair for such a ridiculous statement he's actually argued the point quite well. Think he's forgetting what 'history' is though, he's implying history is more important the further back you go ('They didn't even win their first F.A. Cup until the mid-sixties.') but that's just not true. "

No Redman.

 I'm not implying that the further back you go the more important history is.  That's what turgidly wretched Liverpool fans say to Chelsea fans.  I'm implying that fundamental to football history is the influence of a club.  Winning a whole load of trophies before Liverpool did does not make our history far superior to Liverpool's.  Being England's most trophied club for three-quarters of the twentieth century does not solely make our history far, far superior to Liverpool's, either. 

No, Redman, Aston Villa creating league football is what makes our history greater and far more influential than any other club on the planet - and if we hadn't have done it, if we hadn't created this game, your tedious, utter basket-case of a club would not exist. 

Respect your elders and betters and tell your little friends on Liverpool.tv to stop being such a tiresome bunch of deluded, gloryhunting drama queens.  (Chill out - You'll all be supporting Man City within five years and marvelling at their history anyway.)

Steady Billy, we have to take the feelings of visiting fans into account.

[Legion]

No we don't. We can take their opinions and discuss them. Then we can decide that we are right and they are wrong in an amicable manner.

[KevinGage]

Has our friend Redman been linking this thread to trampy Liverpool sites?  Oh what a rascal.   Only a fool would question our history. A fool, or some bandwagon jumper who got on the whole football trip post 1992. Same difference really.  Nothing counts before that date.

Speaking of LOL, care to explain again how Liverpool were going to bid for Ashley Young and Downing, but that you'd generously let us keep Downing once you got Young? How did that pan out?

[Redman]

The interesting thiing is that, for all Liverpool's history (and let's be totally honest about it, it is outstanding), they haven't won the league for over twenty years now. In fact, the last time they won the league was only nine years after the last time we won it, which puts it into perspective somewhat. The CL win was obviously big, but they really do need to win the league some time soon.

I remember when Man United went 25 (or so) years without winning the league, then Ferguson did it, and look what has happened since. The difference is that Man United were perfectly placed to profit from the Sky football boom, coming to prominence when they did, and built on it accordingly.

Liverpool aren't going to have that luck. In fact, they're going to be trying to regain past glories when it is more difficult than ever, with plenty of teams with as much money as they have and a fading allure.

Interesting times.

All true. I don't think Ferguson had the most difficult task establishing his club's dominance and I don't think he's ever assembled a truly great side but he has extended their spell at the top of the English game for an awfully long time. For me, that's his greatest achievement. As long as he's there, it'll be difficult for any team (including Liverpool) to topple the Mancs.

[KevinGage]

I think Redman and his alter-ego missed my point.  They are debating this thread on the Liverpool.tv forum at the moment and if I could argue my point there I would do so but it appears one has to pay money to be a Liverpool.tv forum member.  I hope the posters on here don't mind me addressing the concerns of Redman (Timynwa on Liverpool.tv) and his pal very quickly, should they return to read this thread.   I think Redman's view on his thread is:

"Timynwa
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To be fair for such a ridiculous statement he's actually argued the point quite well. Think he's forgetting what 'history' is though, he's implying history is more important the further back you go ('They didn't even win their first F.A. Cup until the mid-sixties.') but that's just not true. "

No Redman.

 I'm not implying that the further back you go the more important history is.  That's what turgidly wretched Liverpool fans say to Chelsea fans.  I'm implying that fundamental to football history is the influence of a club.  Winning a whole load of trophies before Liverpool did does not make our history far superior to Liverpool's.  Being England's most trophied club for three-quarters of the twentieth century does not solely make our history far, far superior to Liverpool's, either. 

No, Redman, Aston Villa creating league football is what makes our history greater and far more influential than any other club on the planet - and if we hadn't have done it, if we hadn't created this game, your tedious, utter basket-case of a club would not exist. 

Respect your elders and betters and tell your little friends on Liverpool.tv to stop being such a tiresome bunch of deluded, gloryhunting drama queens.  (Chill out - You'll all be supporting Man City within five years and marvelling at their history anyway.)

That's cold Billy Walker.

You obviously haven't experienced the magic of the Kop, with the lifeblood of the club - the  hardcore support from Cornwall, the shire counties, Scandinavia and Ireland-  getting the words wrong to all their songs.

They're looking at ways to improve Anfield apparently.  Two seek and destroy scud missiles on match day ought to do it.

[Billy Walker]

That's cold Billy Walker.

You obviously haven't experienced the magic of the Kop, with the lifeblood of the club - the  hardcore support from Cornwall, the shire counties, Scandinavia and Ireland-  getting the words wrong to all their songs.

They're looking at ways to improve Anfield apparently.  Two seek and destroy scud missiles on match day ought to do it.

I have, indeed, sampled The Kop, Kevin.  I've sat in its spine-tingling silence.

 

[Hopadop]

That's cold Billy Walker.

You obviously haven't experienced the magic of the Kop, with the lifeblood of the club - the  hardcore support from Cornwall, the shire counties, Scandinavia and Ireland-  getting the words wrong to all their songs.

They're looking at ways to improve Anfield apparently.  Two seek and destroy scud missiles on match day ought to do it.

I have, indeed, sampled The Kop, Kevin.  I've sat in its spine-tingling silence.

 

You misunderstand. When they're quiet they're just being knowledgeable.

[KevinGage]

Either that, or taking pictures.

[Redman]

I think Redman and his alter-ego missed my point.  They are debating this thread on the Liverpool.tv forum at the moment and if I could argue my point there I would do so but it appears one has to pay money to be a Liverpool.tv forum member.  I hope the posters on here don't mind me addressing the concerns of Redman (Timynwa on Liverpool.tv) and his pal very quickly, should they return to read this thread.   I think Redman's view on his thread is:

"Timynwa
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To be fair for such a ridiculous statement he's actually argued the point quite well. Think he's forgetting what 'history' is though, he's implying history is more important the further back you go ('They didn't even win their first F.A. Cup until the mid-sixties.') but that's just not true. "

No Redman.

 I'm not implying that the further back you go the more important history is.  That's what turgidly wretched Liverpool fans say to Chelsea fans.  I'm implying that fundamental to football history is the influence of a club.  Winning a whole load of trophies before Liverpool did does not make our history far superior to Liverpool's.  Being England's most trophied club for three-quarters of the twentieth century does not solely make our history far, far superior to Liverpool's, either. 

No, Redman, Aston Villa creating league football is what makes our history greater and far more influential than any other club on the planet - and if we hadn't have done it, if we hadn't created this game, your tedious, utter basket-case of a club would not exist. 

Respect your elders and betters and tell your little friends on Liverpool.tv to stop being such a tiresome bunch of deluded, gloryhunting drama queens.  (Chill out - You'll all be supporting Man City within five years and marvelling at their history anyway.)

Hold your horses.

This has nothing to do with me.

[Billy Walker]

I'm looking forward to reading your future posts with your "Liverpoolfc.tv" buddies Redman.  Should make for an entertaining season.How do you put up with that lot? It's like a Justin Bieber convention in there.    Please don't tell me they all think West Life have a greater musical history/influence  than Bob Dylan, too?  (They have heard of Bob Dylan?)

Out of interest, have you seen the thread on here about how Villa and England were invited over to play Germany prior to the Second World War?  Get your buddies to have a look at it.  (Let's call it "Homework For The Glory Hunters".)  A bit of football education will do them all the power of good.

[Redman]

I'm looking forward to reading your future posts with your "Liverpoolfc.tv" buddies Redman.  Should make for an entertaining season.How do you put up with that lot? It's like a Justin Bieber convention in there.    Please don't tell me they all think West Life have a greater musical history/influence  than Bob Dylan, too?  (They have heard of Bob Dylan?)

Out of interest, have you seen the thread on here about how Villa and England were invited over to play Germany prior to the Second World War?  Get your buddies to have a look at it.  (Let's call it "Homework For The Glory Hunters".)  A bit of football education will do them all the power of good.

Hold your horses.

This has nothing to do with me.

[Billy Walker]

Have a read of this thread Redman.  I'd genuinely be interested to hear what a fan from another club thinks of this particular chapter in the history of football.

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=44122.0


And point your excitable friends to this while you are at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McGregor_(football)

Listen.  No Aston Villa, no LEAGUE FOOTBALL.  No Premier League, Champions League, whatever league you want.  We created it.  We even invited your parent club, the club you guys sprung from, Everton FC, to our league.  This is OUR game, our competition.  Without Villa there would be no Liverpool - there would have been no reason for a Liverpool fc to exist.

It's a shame Liverpool.tv is not open to outside posters because you would get some interesting debate going there.

[Karl Bridges]

I have, indeed, sampled The Kop, Kevin.  I've sat in its spine-tingling silence.

 

Glass houses & stones come to mind here. I know our away support is excellent but VP does not rock on a regular basis.