The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[eastie]

I guess all fans have different views on things and this site gives us all a chance to vent our feelings good and bad- for me the biggest embarrassment of a dreadful season was seeing the team picked at man city in a cup that we had a real chance to progress in- Aston villa should always aim to win whatever game they play and never throw in the towel before kick off- it was embarrassing that evening!

[Sexual Ealing]

No, I agree that's ludicrous.

But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.

Much more so than we did this time last year.

[paul_e]

Dave,

Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV "demanding the club do things"

I also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money  , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer "demanding things"

As I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.

Which of the hundreds of writers was that?

It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness.

A big part of the problem this season is that, after a long wait for the new manager, a lot of fans never seemed willing to give Houllier a chance.  It didn't help that we'd been told Randy had pulled out the cash and had a summer that sort of backed that up, that meant a lot of people saw Houllier as an appointment made on the cheap to get rid of the high earners, again the press opinions right up until the Bent signing backed this up.

[Sexual Ealing]

Sorry eastie, my response was to Dave's post!

[luke95]

Dave,

Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV nulldemanding the club do thingsnull

I also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money  , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer nulldemanding thingsnull

As I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.

Which of the hundreds of writers was that?

It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness.

This time last year you were moaning about the manager and taunting people who disagreed with you with 'that's right, when in doubt blame the fans...'

What's changed, apart from our position in the league and the manager?

There's a bit of a difference between what was  being said then, and the sort of downright idiocy we've seen lately.  For example, do you think it's right that the Villa manager should be asked to stay away from a Villa game because of the reaction he might get from Villa supporters?

The bloke has a dodgy ticker, its not the best place for him to be.

He's likely to get abuse  , maybe not from you or I, but he will get it from some after the season we've had & some will see it as him rubbing our nose in it after what happened at Anfield   

[eastie]

I don't think houllier should be told to stay away- he has been Ill and I'd be surprised and ashamed should he be abused by villa fans if he attends next weeks game.

[dave.woodhall]

No, I agree that's ludicrous.

But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.

Much more so than we did this time last year.

We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.

[TimTheVillain]

 

Bye Newby..........

What's that?  How dare I question someone who calls his own fans an embarrassment, that includes you too. He needs to qualify why he makes that statement.

He's Dave Woodhall, He'll do what he wants.

Is that a purely sycophantic statement or taking the piss ? !

With regards to being able to say what you think, it should be allowed and frankly, the pair of them have been almost useless this season - ill or not.

[Sexual Ealing]

No, I agree that's ludicrous.

But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.

Much more so than we did this time last year.

We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.

There were a sizeable number of fans who were just as vociferous in their hatred of all things MON, even before his exit, and he was a relative success.

I guess you're right in your earlier assertion that it must be an internet thing.

I can't think of a time in human history when people have had the ability to discuss and argue about non-essential, abstract concepts whenever they want to, all the time if they want to.

To think we could be talking about something that actually matters!

[dave.woodhall]

No, I agree that's ludicrous.

But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.

Much more so than we did this time last year.

We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.

There were a sizeable number of fans who were just as vociferous in their hatred of all things MON, even before his exit, and he was a relative success.

I guess you're right in your earlier assertion that it must be an internet thing.

I can't think of a time in human history when people have had the ability to discuss and argue about non-essential, abstract concepts whenever they want to, all the time if they want to.

To think we could be talking about something that actually matters!

You think O'Neill was hated by anyone except a handful of idiots? Some of us, myself included, were disappointed he'd not done better and seemed to be running out of ideas, but there was none of the personal vitriol.

I've said it before but I do think one of the reasons we've seen what we've seen is because the board have been too open and made us common rabble feel they owe us something.

[adrenachrome]

I've said it before but I do think one of the reasons we've seen what we've seen is because the board have been too open and made us common rabble feel they owe us something.

One of the reasons, quite possibly.

Remember,  though, that GT Mk 11 was subjected to a similar level of vitriol and that he was also operating under difficult circumstances in what was a transitional season, and that the board was not quite so open back then. 

[dave.woodhall]

I've said it before but I do think one of the reasons we've seen what we've seen is because the board have been too open and made us common rabble feel they owe us something.

One of the reasons, quite possibly.

Remember,  though, that GT Mk 11 was subjected to a similar level of vitriol and that he was also operating under difficult circumstances in what was a transitional season, and that the board was not quite so open back then. 

Back then there was an underlying element  that said everything the club did was wrong and Sir Graham was a traitor for being employed by Doug.

[Fergal]

No, I agree that's ludicrous.

But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.

Much more so than we did this time last year.

We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.

Perhaps it's the disappointment of getting so close to the promised land of the Sky 4 and then falling away.  Not saying it's fair but just trying to think of a reason.

[Legion]

Dave Woodhall, what the fuck are you on about?  Are you happy with the season? Happy with the poor press the club has had?  Lot's of positives in there for you to take from this season?  At least explain why you think the Aston Villa fans are an embarrassment?  You know, those people who buy your shit fanzine?

Is it? If so, I'd like to see you produce something better.

[IRISHPHIL]

what do people think of this
next season houiller moves up stairs ( director of football) and Ray Wilkins becomes 1st team coach