Quote from: holtepaul on May 14, 2011, 05:53:13 PMDave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV "demanding the club do things"I also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer "demanding things"As I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.Which of the hundreds of writers was that? It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness.
Dave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV "demanding the club do things"I also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer "demanding things"As I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 14, 2011, 06:14:17 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2011, 06:00:36 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 14, 2011, 05:53:13 PMDave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV nulldemanding the club do thingsnullI also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer nulldemanding thingsnullAs I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.Which of the hundreds of writers was that? It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness. This time last year you were moaning about the manager and taunting people who disagreed with you with 'that's right, when in doubt blame the fans...' What's changed, apart from our position in the league and the manager?There's a bit of a difference between what was being said then, and the sort of downright idiocy we've seen lately. For example, do you think it's right that the Villa manager should be asked to stay away from a Villa game because of the reaction he might get from Villa supporters?
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2011, 06:00:36 PMQuote from: holtepaul on May 14, 2011, 05:53:13 PMDave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV nulldemanding the club do thingsnullI also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer nulldemanding thingsnullAs I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.Which of the hundreds of writers was that? It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness. This time last year you were moaning about the manager and taunting people who disagreed with you with 'that's right, when in doubt blame the fans...' What's changed, apart from our position in the league and the manager?
Quote from: holtepaul on May 14, 2011, 05:53:13 PMDave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV nulldemanding the club do thingsnullI also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer nulldemanding thingsnullAs I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.Which of the hundreds of writers was that? It's not about 'demanding things'; it's about a season that has been for the most part shite - albeit with several mitigating circumstances - but has certainly not been worse than several others we've endured without the sort of hysteria prevalent this time round. Maybe it's an internet thing, or the modern demand for instant success, but I can't remember a time before when our own supporters have been our fiercest and most relentless abusers. That banner, some of what's been said about the manager and the abuse given to the general and Randy on several occasions has been embarassing to witness.
Dave,Without getting into a personal argment here, I have seen you many many many many times on the TV nulldemanding the club do thingsnullI also seem to remember a certain magazine making someone money , having read it, I can confirm most of it is full of the writer nulldemanding thingsnullAs I say, no offence, but people in glass houses and all that.
No, I agree that's ludicrous.But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.Much more so than we did this time last year.
Quote from: Newby on May 14, 2011, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2011, 05:29:28 PMBye Newby..........What's that? How dare I question someone who calls his own fans an embarrassment, that includes you too. He needs to qualify why he makes that statement.He's Dave Woodhall, He'll do what he wants.
Quote from: spangley1812 on May 14, 2011, 05:29:28 PMBye Newby..........What's that? How dare I question someone who calls his own fans an embarrassment, that includes you too. He needs to qualify why he makes that statement.
Bye Newby..........
Quote from: VillainousVillan on May 14, 2011, 06:23:03 PMNo, I agree that's ludicrous.But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.Much more so than we did this time last year.We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2011, 06:34:38 PMQuote from: VillainousVillan on May 14, 2011, 06:23:03 PMNo, I agree that's ludicrous.But we've all (well, not so much people like me because I don't live locally so don't get to the match very often) got a right to be pissed off.Much more so than we did this time last year.We have indeed, but I still can't see why our own supporters have been so quick and unremitting in their abuse.There were a sizeable number of fans who were just as vociferous in their hatred of all things MON, even before his exit, and he was a relative success.I guess you're right in your earlier assertion that it must be an internet thing.I can't think of a time in human history when people have had the ability to discuss and argue about non-essential, abstract concepts whenever they want to, all the time if they want to. To think we could be talking about something that actually matters!
I've said it before but I do think one of the reasons we've seen what we've seen is because the board have been too open and made us common rabble feel they owe us something.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 14, 2011, 06:56:20 PMI've said it before but I do think one of the reasons we've seen what we've seen is because the board have been too open and made us common rabble feel they owe us something.One of the reasons, quite possibly.Remember, though, that GT Mk 11 was subjected to a similar level of vitriol and that he was also operating under difficult circumstances in what was a transitional season, and that the board was not quite so open back then.
Dave Woodhall, what the fuck are you on about? Are you happy with the season? Happy with the poor press the club has had? Lot's of positives in there for you to take from this season? At least explain why you think the Aston Villa fans are an embarrassment? You know, those people who buy your shit fanzine?
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