Sack the Manager?

[Tony]

Put Houllier upstairs, he's quite clearly the right man to develop a policy to find good youth players and look at the club as a club rather than just a first team, but he's not the man to be first team manager.

[eastie]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

[Tony]

Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.

Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.

Sam Allardyce got Bolton into Europe, when they thrashed us in the league cup semi they scored some bloody goals, the long ball boring Allardyce myth is way overplayed, he works with what he has.

[Tony]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.

[eastie]

I'd have no qualms with houllier as a director of football and bringing in a team manager like coyle , moyes or jol long term -houllier has Many good ideas but as a man manager and motivator he's no longer up to it.

[Toronto Villa]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.

You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.

[eastie]

Turner came from Shrewsbury not Hereford.

[Tony]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.

You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.

He came from Shrewsbury and as I recall he'd got Shrewsbuury Town to sixth in divison two or something like that, which was quite an achievement. Houllier hasn't managed here for six or seven years and it shows.

[Percy McCarthy]

Frankly, the deed should have been done at Christmas.

 

Of course it should, maybe then we could have got a more palatable replacement than Allardyce. But we're even more desperate now, meaning that nobody better will take us on.

Do nothing and we're down I reckon.

[Percy McCarthy]

they wouldn't work with mcdonald, won't work with GH. why will they work with a new manager?  you can bet someone is still in contact with a lot of 'em. in fact i've been told as much.

Yes.

MoN is controlling the players and Doug is still running the club.

*facepalm*

Now we know where greg went while he was away.

Even madder.

[Toronto Villa]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.

You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.

He came from Shrewsbury and as I recall he'd got Shrewsbuury Town to sixth in divison two or something like that, which was quite an achievement. Houllier hasn't managed here for six or seven years and it shows.

sorry, you're correct. He went to Hereford later in his career. I still think it's a farcical comparison.

[Risso]

Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.

Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.

Sam Allardyce got Bolton into Europe, when they thrashed us in the league cup semi they scored some bloody goals, the long ball boring Allardyce myth is way overplayed, he works with what he has.

Good point Tony.  What I'd say about Allardyce is that he's pragmatic, and gets the best out of the players he has available.  OK a lot of Bolton's relative success was based on getting the best out of Kevin Davies, but he also had players like Okocha and Campo who were great footballers. 

All this talk of Houllier's football "revolution" is a load of old bollocks if you ask me, and is based on the fact that we created a few chances against Bolton.  For a lot of the season the football has been dreadful beyond words.  Our defending is miserable, and contrary to what people think we don't score a lot of goals either.  It's also worth pointing out that Houllier's Liverpool career ended with complaints of dull football, poor tactics and shit transfers.

[Tony]

I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .

The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.

You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.

He came from Shrewsbury and as I recall he'd got Shrewsbuury Town to sixth in divison two or something like that, which was quite an achievement. Houllier hasn't managed here for six or seven years and it shows.

sorry, you're correct. He went to Hereford later in his career. I still think it's a farcical comparison.

I said it reminds me of the Graham Turner situation, not that Graham Turner is of the same stature as Gerard Houllier.

[TopDeck113]

What people forget when they mention Graham Turner, is that at the time of his appointment, he looked a good bet.  A young manager, who had overachieved with a much smaller club. 

Or put another way, not a dissimilar CV to Owen Coyle, or usually whichever flavour-of-the-month gets trotted out when thoughts turn to replacing the incumbent in the Villa Park hot-seat.

I don't think Houllier will be sacked.  Or at least not before the end of the season.  However, if he was, the argument of the short-term, £1m bonus for keeping us up and we'll discuss matters further in May appointment of Alladyce is not without merit.

[picicata]

I said before the game, win and we're safe, lose and we're going down.

Houllier should have been sacked after the Liverpool game but was allowed to remain even though it was obvious he couldn't give two shits for the club or the job.

Now it is too late to get in anything other than an emergency manager. I'm split between leaving Houllier in charge so he gets the abuse he deserves and no new manager is tarnished by a relegation or to try a temporary manager that might just save us - some one like Gregory for the last 8 games. He couldn't be any worse.