I'm far from impressed but bring in who????????
Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining gamesMy eyebrows have just raised so much at this suggestion that they have nearly left my forehead.
Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining games, then a new manager can be bought in at the end of the season once we know what league were playing in.ludicrous, mcallisters fault but not sid as he is a legend! quite funny!
Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining games, then a new manager can be bought in at the end of the season once we know what league were playing in.That is incredible! Have I read this correct?
Sack him and get who?
Dave, my eyebrows did that too! I think there still up there somewhere.Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining gamesMy eyebrows have just raised so much at this suggestion that they have nearly left my forehead.
Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining gamesMy eyebrows have just raised so much at this suggestion that they have nearly left my forehead.
Have you not been following what's been happening at the club for the last week or so?
Yes, nothing to lose now so put Cowans and Dunne in charge for the remaining games
We need to hold our nerve not sack the manager. I would say that Randy/GH needs to have a look at the poison in our squad and dispose of the MON supporting back-stabbers. Dunne should have his contract cancelled now, and hang the money. That should send out a message to any of the rest of them - do nothing and we might as well forget it.
At this stage of the season it would be absolute madness to sack him
they wouldn't work with mcdonald, won't work with GH. why will they work with a new manager? you can bet someone is still in contact with a lot of 'em. in fact i've been told as much.
they wouldn't work with mcdonald, won't work with GH. why will they work with a new manager? you can bet someone is still in contact with a lot of 'em. in fact i've been told as much.
At this stage of the season it would be absolute madness to sack him
No it wouldn't, it would give the whole place a massive lift and some hope & belief
Yes , I want to know why all this clamour for McDonald.How did he do that?
I seem to remember being drubbed 6-0 by Newcastle and then the Villa fans singing "You dont know what you are doing as he single handedly buggered up a guarenteed win against Stoke !
they wouldn't work with mcdonald, won't work with GH. why will they work with a new manager? you can bet someone is still in contact with a lot of 'em. in fact i've been told as much.
Yes.
MoN is controlling the players and Doug is still running the club.
*facepalm*
Greg in all honesty I don't understand how you could call for mons head and yet back houllier?Were you not in exactly the same position until about two matches ago?
Greg in all honesty I don't understand how you could call for mons head and yet back houllier?
The time was right for o neill to go last may but it's also right for GED to go if we want to survive now.
If there is no one internaly or externaly to take control of this group of players and get some performances out of them, then we are down
Devils advocate
What could Houllier do ?
It was clear to anyone with eyes that stuff had started to go wrong even before MON left.
Carew had fallen out, Milner said he wanted to leave, NRC had him round the throat it went on and on - there was loads of stuff.
The turning point, and people including me said it at the time was the Cup Final. Casts your mind back, how many people said on here week after week "I am now sick and tired of MON STILL moaning about the ref at Wembley" - from that moment we went downhill , as did the players - Warnock was finished after that game. We had the 7-0 drubbing as well for good measure
McDonald took over, and we were poor (not as poor as now granted) we had a 6-0 drubbing, we had a Stoke collapse as well as others (surrender in Europe !)
Houllier took over, he made and makes mistakes - but we have a transfer window, his hands are tied, he has to work with what hes got
January came, he got Bent - I for one am ecstatic, he got Makoun (I for one am underwhelmed), He got Walker (I for one will be gutted when he is the best RB in the country but unfortunatly in a white shirt ! - more importantly, he shipped out some known trouble makers.
He did what he could in the 31 days he had.
So I just dont know how much you can blame Houllier, it must have been like taking over a club in turmoil.
I say keep him for next season, but with all the public relaton gaffes like Liverpool, Man City, his comments when he joined - I can understand why people want him gone
We are drinking in the last chance saloon, there isnt an appointment we can make right now that will save the season and be the right person to take us forward.
So its a question of a Red O Dare type appointment or leaving Houlier to try to get 3 wins from 8 games.
My guess is that RL will stick with Houlier, I cant see how with all of the stuff that has been going on today how he can turn this around. My thoughts before todays game were if we lose this then we are fucked. I havent changed my mind after seeing it.
Most the players have been a disgrace under both managements this season, why will it be any different if we sack Houllier now for another?
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Most the players have been a disgrace under both managements this season, why will it be any different if we sack Houllier now for another?
You're right about the players. I mean, we know they care damn all for our club but you'd think they'd have some pride in themselves. Do they not realise their value and their wages will drop substantially if we go down? Maybe that message should be drilled into them to get them to pull their collective fingers out.
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
So going down with Houllier would be preferable? Did you see his post match comments? He was smiling when told the fans were booing and said our luck would change. I hope he's not really depending on luck. If villa don't take action now, it'll be like nero fiddling while Rome burned.
Paulie -
1. He would save us and sort out defence , team spirit and motivation.
2. Save a fortune from being relegated.
3. Be here on a short term contract till June only , safe or not, if the money was right he'd take it.
Paulie -
1. He would save us and sort out defence , team spirit and motivation.
2. Save a fortune from being relegated.
3. Be here on a short term contract till June only , safe or not, if the money was right he'd take it.
1. No he wouldn't.
2. No he wouldn't.
3. I'm quite sure he would.
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .
I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .
The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.
I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .
The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.
You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.
Frankly, the deed should have been done at Christmas.
they wouldn't work with mcdonald, won't work with GH. why will they work with a new manager? you can bet someone is still in contact with a lot of 'em. in fact i've been told as much.
Yes.
MoN is controlling the players and Doug is still running the club.
*facepalm*
I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .
The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.
You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.
He came from Shrewsbury and as I recall he'd got Shrewsbuury Town to sixth in divison two or something like that, which was quite an achievement. Houllier hasn't managed here for six or seven years and it shows.
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
Sam Allardyce got Bolton into Europe, when they thrashed us in the league cup semi they scored some bloody goals, the long ball boring Allardyce myth is way overplayed, he works with what he has.
I felt that way until today topdeck but the lack of any passion in such a huge game has left me as shell shocked as I was in 86 after we lost 6-0 at forest , and we all know what happened the next day .
The whole thing with Houllier reminds me of Graham Turner, nice bloke, good eye for decent young players, completely out of his depth when it comes to the first team.
You mean Graham Turner, the bloke plucked from the obscurity of Hereford United to run a First Division football team versus Gerard Houllier who has won a lot of silverware throught his career in England and on the continent? Good comparison. I know it might look the same but it really isn't.
He came from Shrewsbury and as I recall he'd got Shrewsbuury Town to sixth in divison two or something like that, which was quite an achievement. Houllier hasn't managed here for six or seven years and it shows.
sorry, you're correct. He went to Hereford later in his career. I still think it's a farcical comparison.
BFR til the end of the season? As long as the black players/white players with moderately enquiring minds could be persuaded that it was a good idea and he's not a bad sort underneath it all? Maybe? No? Ok...
Phil , we are talking temporary here, 8 games- offer him £1m bonus to keep us up and I'm sure sam would take the bait and we would stay up.
Offering Sam Allardyce a million pounds to keep us up is right up there with flattening Villa Park and building a Netto there in terms of ways to move the club forward.
So going down with Houllier would be preferable? Did you see his post match comments? He was smiling when told the fans were booing and said our luck would change. I hope he's not really depending on luck. If villa don't take action now, it'll be like nero fiddling while Rome burned.
Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help. As for Allardyce, in all seriousness I would rather be relegated than have that c*** managing my club.
Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help.
Too many people have listened too much to the likes of Alan Green to have a balanced view of Sam Allardyce.
For the most part he has managed low-to-middle ranking clubs to over-achievement. In doing so, he had to be pragmatic about who he signed and way he set them up tactically.
However, he was not just about route-1, dogmatic, percentage, boring football, as anyone who was at the Reebok to watch Bolton stuff us in the League Cup semi-final will testify.
Having said all that, I don't know as to whether he - or anyone else for that matter - could sort out our defence over the next six games.
Are you still fully behind him chris, or have you began to have serious doubts - yesterday was so bad that I cannot in all honesty continue to back him as he seems to have lost the dressing room- as other posters have said there is an element of the damned united about this with the players responses.
My concern is that I cannot see him motivating them to get the results required.
Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help. As for Allardyce, in all seriousness I would rather be relegated than have that c*** managing my club.
I was with you on the first bit yesterday, Chris, but having seen the way we performed, and thinking about the fact that it comes after a very public fall out in the squad, it makes me think that, actually, we're reached the tipping point where, even with the turmoil and unrest of a new manager, we'd have a better chance of staying up.
re the second point, I have to agree with you. Relegation would be humuliating, but appointing the anti-football would be worse.
I love the way people are going on about Houllier's tactical awareness then in the next breath, calling for that tactical expert "Big Sam".
Yes. I can't believe people are accepting relegation with Houllier rather than having one last shot at staying up.Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help. As for Allardyce, in all seriousness I would rather be relegated than have that c*** managing my club.
I was with you on the first bit yesterday, Chris, but having seen the way we performed, and thinking about the fact that it comes after a very public fall out in the squad, it makes me think that, actually, we're reached the tipping point where, even with the turmoil and unrest of a new manager, we'd have a better chance of staying up.
re the second point, I have to agree with you. Relegation would be humuliating, but appointing the anti-football would be worse.
I love the way people are going on about Houllier's tactical awareness then in the next breath, calling for that tactical expert "Big Sam".
Couldn't care less about tactics at the moment. I want a manager who can organise this shower of shit into a unit capable of three or four 1-0 wins between now and the end of the season. I think motivation is the most important skill for whoever is manager at this stage, which definitely rules out Houllier IMO.
Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help
Looked at the entry into my diary for yesterday.Sacking him now would just cause even more unrest, I don't think it would help.
It looks like we're buggered with him, and buggered if we get rid. Bugger.
How about this for a scenario that would suit all parties.
It is obvious Lerner thinks that Villa needs rebuilding from top to bottom.
So, we take Houllier upstairs in a "Director of Football" type role. He can oversee restructuring the scouting, negotiate for targets, all that stuff.
We then appoint someone line Martin Jol, or similar as Head coach. He worked that system at Spurs and Ajax.
Houllier is not sacked - he saves face
Lerner doesn't admit he made a mistake - he saves face
We get a new manager - fans are happy.
Worth a punt !
Not mine, if we get rid, then get rid.How about this for a scenario that would suit all parties.
It is obvious Lerner thinks that Villa needs rebuilding from top to bottom.
So, we take Houllier upstairs in a "Director of Football" type role. He can oversee restructuring the scouting, negotiate for targets, all that stuff.
We then appoint someone line Martin Jol, or similar as Head coach. He worked that system at Spurs and Ajax.
Houllier is not sacked - he saves face
Lerner doesn't admit he made a mistake - he saves face
We get a new manager - fans are happy.
Worth a punt !
Gets my vote
Not mine, if we get rid, then get rid.How about this for a scenario that would suit all parties.
It is obvious Lerner thinks that Villa needs rebuilding from top to bottom.
So, we take Houllier upstairs in a "Director of Football" type role. He can oversee restructuring the scouting, negotiate for targets, all that stuff.
We then appoint someone line Martin Jol, or similar as Head coach. He worked that system at Spurs and Ajax.
Houllier is not sacked - he saves face
Lerner doesn't admit he made a mistake - he saves face
We get a new manager - fans are happy.
Worth a punt !
Gets my vote
If the players are not keen on him, there's no point having his mug around the place, in whatever capacity.
No to Big Sam. Grayson or Hughes we could get now rather than wait till the end of the season.
No to Big Sam. Grayson or Hughes we could get now rather than wait till the end of the season.
Appointing Fat Sam would be an admission that we had settled for always being amongst the also rans. If we have to change make it a progressive one.
Big Sam long term -no.I'd go for that. Big Sam as caretaker to keep us up and trouser a large cheque then a new manager for next season. I have a feeling Houllier will clear off at the end of the season anyway.
Big Sam for 8 games with a £1m bonus for keeping us up - yes.
Coyle, hughes, jol/hughton,moyes, magath in the summer - any of those please.
What we want is a new Manager.Maybe you will think differently once this month's is over.
Period.
I want him out of my club.I share your frustration, Meanwood, but I don't think that Randy, having given Houllier his firm backing, is the sort of man to change his mind and sack him. Unfortunately.
He was a ridiculous appointment and he's been a complete disaster.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
He will not get it right next season.
He hasn't got a clue about what it means to be a Villa manager.
He must go NOW
I want him out of my club.I share your frustration, Meanwood, but I don't think that Randy, having given Houllier his firm backing, is the sort of man to change his mind and sack him. Unfortunately.
He was a ridiculous appointment and he's been a complete disaster.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
He will not get it right next season.
He hasn't got a clue about what it means to be a Villa manager.
He must go NOW
At Villa Park yesterday (and in the Barton's afterwards) it was obvious that Houllier has lost the fans. I finally brought myself to watch MOTD this morning, and he cut a sad figure, aware that the fans want him out. But far more worrying than the fact that he inspires no confidence in us is the evidence on the pitch that he's lost the players as well.
Agreed there's nothing to suggest Lerner will sack him. I wonder what he would do if we do go down. Obviously I hope we don't find out!I want him out of my club.I share your frustration, Meanwood, but I don't think that Randy, having given Houllier his firm backing, is the sort of man to change his mind and sack him. Unfortunately.
He was a ridiculous appointment and he's been a complete disaster.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
He will not get it right next season.
He hasn't got a clue about what it means to be a Villa manager.
He must go NOW
At Villa Park yesterday (and in the Barton's afterwards) it was obvious that Houllier has lost the fans. I finally brought myself to watch MOTD this morning, and he cut a sad figure, aware that the fans want him out. But far more worrying than the fact that he inspires no confidence in us is the evidence on the pitch that he's lost the players as well.
There will be blood.What we want is a new Manager.Maybe you will think differently once this month's is over.
Period.
I want him out of my club.I share your frustration, Meanwood, but I don't think that Randy, having given Houllier his firm backing, is the sort of man to change his mind and sack him. Unfortunately.
He was a ridiculous appointment and he's been a complete disaster.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
He will not get it right next season.
He hasn't got a clue about what it means to be a Villa manager.
He must go NOW
At Villa Park yesterday (and in the Barton's afterwards) it was obvious that Houllier has lost the fans. I finally brought myself to watch MOTD this morning, and he cut a sad figure, aware that the fans want him out. But far more worrying than the fact that he inspires no confidence in us is the evidence on the pitch that he's lost the players as well.
He had started to offer some sort of inspiration after the Liverpool fiasco and then came his misjudgment at Eastlands in the cup. All goodwill was lost then.
But the thing is, it isn't that difficult to fix, quite simply, play 4 - 4 - 2 with Young back on the wing. We might not get the necessary points but we'd have a far better chance than the current system he's insisting on. There's nothing wrong with his vision of how we should play the problem is that it just doesn't bring the best out of the squad we have now when playing it.
I agree.There will be blood.What we want is a new Manager.Maybe you will think differently once this month's is over.
Period.
How has this man still got a job?!?!?!?!?! Why the fuck wasn't he out on his ear last night?
We're going down and we're going down without a fight. Relegation rivals/local rivals and they perform like that. How can you not motivate a team for that game?
He doesn't care, the players don't care. All are an absolute disgrace.
Look at the situation we are in, look at the performances we have put in, look at what he has said in the media. We'd be pissing ourselves if he was manager of Blues.
Get someone in who gives a shit. I couldn't give a shit about neat passing football (So effective that we're dominated by Wolves) Relegation would be horrendous for this club and this complete tool will take us down.
2 week break now, gives somebody a chance to come in and have a bit of time to sort out this complete mess Ged has put us in. What he is trying is clearly not working and won't change it.
PISS OFF GEDDY
46 vote No well that fucking amazes me, what make the 46 think he deserves to stay in the jobI'd hazard a guess not many of those 46 were down B6 yesterday
can't believe it
Alladyce for the run in, yes. Not long term. I genuinely think he would grind us 10 points out that would probably keep us safe. Long term, Moyes or Owen Coyle. Hughes is well over rated, and Jol would not be much better.
Alladyce for the run in, yes. Not long term. I genuinely think he would grind us 10 points out that would probably keep us safe. Long term, Moyes or Owen Coyle. Hughes is well over rated, and Jol would not be much better.
I don't disagree he'd grind out the results, but i'd say the only advantage we have over the likes of Wolves on paper is we have a few in the squad who can play at bit. Bringing big sam in would thrown that advantage away in the hope we can match them in the effort stakes. With some of snakes in our squad i really doubt it.
I don't imagine many of those think he's doing a good job though.
Big Sam would maybe kick some ass and shore us up abit at he back he has good experience and many in he game respect him, unfortunatley for us Houlier hasn'tAlladyce for the run in, yes. Not long term. I genuinely think he would grind us 10 points out that would probably keep us safe. Long term, Moyes or Owen Coyle. Hughes is well over rated, and Jol would not be much better.
I don't disagree he'd grind out the results, but i'd say the only advantage we have over the likes of Wolves on paper is we have a few in the squad who can play at bit. Bringing big sam in would thrown that advantage away in the hope we can match them in the effort stakes. With some of snakes in our squad i really doubt it.
We shouldn't worry about fairness, apportioning blame, or anything else that's happened up to this point. We, or rather Randy, should only worry about what will keep us up.
We shouldn't worry about fairness, apportioning blame, or anything else that's happened up to this point. We, or rather Randy, should only worry about what will keep us up.
I honestly don't think that Lerner has a clue what to do.
46 vote No well that fucking amazes me, what make the 46 think he deserves to stay in the jobI'd hazard a guess not many of those 46 were down B6 yesterday
can't believe it
46 vote No well that fucking amazes me, what make the 46 think he deserves to stay in the jobI'd hazard a guess not many of those 46 were down B6 yesterday
can't believe it
Well you'd be wrong in my case.
The timing is all wrong to make a change now, it takes weeks to sort out a manager as we don't have anyone suitable for a caretaker role because we've alrwady managerd to fuck up Kevin Mac's reputation this season. It's a time for cool heads, not to give in to the baying mob.
I think the talk of Fat Sam for 8 games is a non starter. I just don't see he is ego coping with being told that whatever he does he isn't going to have the job long term.
I'd also argue that taking yesterday as the example of how we are going to perform for the rest of the season as risky as using the Blackburn game. We're not that predictable.
There is a big decision to be made but the summer is the time to do that.
Graham taylor for 8 games might also be an option?
We need a short term option for 8 games if houllier goes, not kevmac or sid- we will not attract a decent manager until the end of season so who would you suggest clampy?
Stick with a man whose lost the players or pay someone to come in as a quick short term fix?
might he be given the chance to bring us straight back up?Fuck no!
I'd put money on Houllier still being here next season.
If we stay up he'll still be in charge.
55 say no ffs!!! i can't believe it
If we stay up he'll still be in charge.
No he won't
55 say no ffs!!! i can't believe it
You can't believe that people think differently to you?
Have a look at Houllier's madly deluded interview here, where he talks about our 'effort and will' and the numerous crosses we had.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9425547.stm
I think my money is on the double whammy - he takes us down but keeps his job. RL too much of a nice guy I'm afraid.
What would Doug do now?
I think the boys tried hard, created enough chances to at least get an equaliser...Tried hard - they looked like they couldn't give a toss! As for the comment on chances, that may be strictly true, but we had less than the opposition!
I told the players we have eight Champions League games left to play.WTF?!
We have quality in the team but at the moment it just doesn't go our way.So it's all down to luck then Gerard?
I am realistic. I am not a dreamer.Could've fooled me!
We were not relaxed enough.Is this a deliberate wind up?!
Sometimes you create chances and you're not at the end of them.Was this a different game?
Yesterday was the first time I've thought it's a distinct possibility we could go down.
The guy is clearly an idiot. The tactics are wrong. The players are confused. He's confused when it comes to interviews. The amount of wins since he's been here is awful, and they were all against awful sides as well.
I've supported him a lot since he arrived, and at times we have looked like a good side, but it's clearly not working. Get rid.
The advantage of Hughes being we have here 4 of his ex players in Ireland, dunne , warnock and friedal and he seems a good man manager but I doubt he would take us any further than mon did.
It's too late in the season to get rid now for me; there have been plenty of opportune moments to have done this already so why bother now.
Oh and a message to Inspector Clueless, his coaching staff and the overpaid squad of internationals/superstars/honest pros of Aston Villa Football Club; we'll get behind the team for the next eight games no problem at all but it really is up to you - you got us in to this fucking mess; you get us out of it
Well now would be the time to get rid of Houllier and Gary Mac whilst we have a couple of weeks off from league footy. Bring in Jol and Hughton and let them have a few team meetings to try and inspire the players for the remaining games. I do think its a shame that Houllier hasn't worked out and I don't lay all the blame onto him. In my opinion he hasn't been helped by some senior players acting like spoilt kids and throwing tantrums because the regime has changed. But we now need every player on board and with Houllier still in charge i don't see that happening
It's not too late to get rid of him, there's still 24 points to play for. 12 of those may well see us safe, 15 pts defintley would. Under GH, i can't see us getting anywhere near those totals.
Based on what? He's not been afraid of getting rid before has he?
Pete, neither brooking or shearer had ever coached or managed before- of course they failed.
I just wonder if this two week break might have come at an inopportune time for Houllier.....
Slightly off tangent, but - if we stay up - I strongly fancy Houllier to be replaced by Moyes in the summer.
I just wonder if this two week break might have come at an inopportune time for Houllier.....
If he's still here past Monday night, I reckon he's here till the end of the season.
As I said elsewhere, Randy should be franctically sounding out possible short-notice replacements now. I bet he isn't, though.
Curbishley is the only other one who might come in at short notice and get a few results, and knows Bent from Charlton days maybe?
It's too late. We're stuck with him, for good or ill.
Curbishley? God no.The thought has made me feel even sicker
It's too late. We're stuck with him, for good or ill.
I doubt the police would want that game on a Friday.
I have absolutely no doubt he will stay. And unless we go down he will be here next season (and even if we do he might be still around). I believe that Randy believes he can change the club for the better long term. Better use of young players, better signings, reduce the wage bill, and so on. I think that at the top of Villa Towers they are probably allowing more emphasis on the issues around the attitude of players, injuries and so on. Get through that lot, survive the season and then let GH have a real go at it.That's what I think too.
I do not know Randy, I might be completely wrong, but I feel that is the attitude. I also do not know if GH can get a team working for him. What is obvious is that if we stay up, and GH is around we are going to have the mother of all transfer windows this summer. Ashley will probably go to someone in Red, all the bad apples will go and who knows who else (Big & Little Brad, Gabby, Heskey- all real possibilities). The only one I am sure about is GH. He will be here.
Slightly off tangent, but - if we stay up - I strongly fancy Houllier to be replaced by Moyes in the summer.
I'd say there's next to no chance that Moyes would leave everton for us. Why on earth would he move sideways, dare I say it backwards??Bent did. Sometimes you need to move on and start a fresh challenge
Because of the money he would get to spend Wiki, simple as that. Potentially streets ahead of Everton. Just been mis spent and managed for the last 2-3 years.
[/b]I'd say there's next to no chance that Moyes would leave everton for us. Why on earth would he move sideways, dare I say it backwards??Bent did. Sometimes you need to move on and start a fresh challenge
I must admit I was willing to give Houllier a go but come summer he needs to go and we also need a fresh start.
For large parts of the season even with all his gaffes I have believed come summer and a final clear out he could achieve something good. GH has way too much in his way to become a success here., too much has gone wrong. He has upset too many people, players fans etc. and its time to start again.....again.
No I agree with you, I think most of our troubles have stemmed from these players and they need to be removed. I just worry that too much has been said or done wrong from GH for him to turn it around.[/b]I'd say there's next to no chance that Moyes would leave everton for us. Why on earth would he move sideways, dare I say it backwards??Bent did. Sometimes you need to move on and start a fresh challenge
I must admit I was willing to give Houllier a go but come summer he needs to go and we also need a fresh start.
For large parts of the season even with all his gaffes I have believed come summer and a final clear out he could achieve something good. GH has way too much in his way to become a success here., too much has gone wrong. He has upset too many people, players fans etc. and its time to start again.....again.
Are you saying the manager goes but the players that have got us in this position should stay and enjoy their cosy relaxed lifestyles pulling in the shed loads of money every week for doing bugger all?
If we clear out these parasites then we have a chance to progress.
one man who is available and would unite the dressing room...Martin Laursen
admittedly no experience but a class act who could do the job for Aston Villa
- in my opinion.
I think season ticket renewals under houllier would be really poor .They normally start selling season tickets for the new season in April, perhaps earlier. I can't see many people renewing until we know which division we're in
Martin laursen - no way! Why not get Paul McGrath and Alan mcinally and spinksy too?
We need an experienced man who can motivate and inspire and has managed in these situations not a great ex player with no experience.
Decent post Diggles.
Just struggling to see where the 10 points will come from?
Some of the games 'look easy' on paper. But they're the ones we struggle to deliver in.
KT Villan Wrote "But if we can hold our nerve and survive I think the long term benefits could be worth it. "
That must be the biggest "But if " in history !
IF Randy is going to sack Lerner then surely it has to be today.
So much so that I stuck a tenner on us to go down after the Bolton Match. At least it will pay for me to drown my sorrows if it happens. And last time I did that, in O'Leary's last season, we survived reasonably comfortably in the end.
IF Randy is going to sack Lerner then surely it has to be today.
Stares in the mirror, "I don't like the way you're looking at me, you're fired".
Sacking him now would likely cause more harm than good.
Quite.
Sacking him now would likely cause more harm than good.
It's hard to see how.
So, Randy sacks GH today.... Gets in Allardyce, who says if I keep you up, give me the job full time.Allardyce isn't the only option.
I think I'd take the risk of keeping GH in the job.
Sacking him now would likely cause more harm than good.
It's hard to see how.
It's a gamble that any new managers change of methods will have the immediate impact necessary. At least by sticking with Gezza (for now!) we don't have any upheavel or changes for them to take on board. What they need is motivation and I'd hope that sheer professional pride will make up for the clear lack of this they're getting from their manager.
So, Randy sacks GH today.... Gets in Allardyce, who says if I keep you up, give me the job full time.Allardyce isn't the only option.
I think I'd take the risk of keeping GH in the job.
It's obvious though that Houllier isn't up to the job, and he will take us down. His methods aren't working, and haven't worked all season. We can't defend, and we don't score enough goals.I would actually drop Ashley Young. Let's get used to life without him.
On that basis, I'd say we need somebody in who would at least sort out the rather obvious flaws in Houllier's game plan. Play 4-4-2 with Young on the wing and a proper partner for Bent.
Sacking him now would likely cause more harm than good.
It's hard to see how.
Plugging the side project as well, here's my lengthy opinion: http://bit.ly/dHysFLGreat article Dave.
It's obvious though that Houllier isn't up to the job, and he will take us down. His methods aren't working, and haven't worked all season. We can't defend, and we don't score enough goals.I would actually drop Ashley Young. Let's get used to life without him.
On that basis, I'd say we need somebody in who would at least sort out the rather obvious flaws in Houllier's game plan. Play 4-4-2 with Young on the wing and a proper partner for Bent.Albrighton Makoun NRC Downing
Heskey Bent
It's obvious though that Houllier isn't up to the job, and he will take us down. His methods aren't working, and haven't worked all season. We can't defend, and we don't score enough goals.I would actually drop Ashley Young. Let's get used to life without him.
On that basis, I'd say we need somebody in who would at least sort out the rather obvious flaws in Houllier's game plan. Play 4-4-2 with Young on the wing and a proper partner for Bent.Albrighton Makoun NRC Downing
Heskey Bent
I thought this myself , maybe agbonlahor up front with Bent .
I did think NRC and Makoun were poor together on Saturday but NRC had a good game against Bolton , maybe Delph in there instead of one of them.
Well the window is this week, 2 weeks before the next game and 8 games to go. If it dosent happen now we are stuck till the end of the season or he walks leaving us with a panic reaction and short of games. The nightmare scenario is a bad result at Everton followed by a defeat at home to Newcastle, the reaction at VP would be over whelming because of the animosity that has built up against him. Then we will be all looking back and saying why did RL not react after Lpool, Citeh, Citeh again and wolves. By then it will be too late.
Sacking him now would likely cause more harm than good.
It's hard to see how.
Perhaps that is the problem in a nutshell
It's obvious though that Houllier isn't up to the job, and he will take us down. His methods aren't working, and haven't worked all season. We can't defend, and we don't score enough goals.I would actually drop Ashley Young. Let's get used to life without him.
On that basis, I'd say we need somebody in who would at least sort out the rather obvious flaws in Houllier's game plan. Play 4-4-2 with Young on the wing and a proper partner for Bent.Albrighton Makoun NRC Downing
Heskey Bent
I thought this myself , maybe agbonlahor up front with Bent .
I did think NRC and Makoun were poor together on Saturday but NRC had a good game against Bolton , maybe Delph in there instead of one of them.
NRC was Ok, Makoun looked a little off the pace, due to missing games suspended. Delph looked lightweight and out of his depth v Bolton away.
I would seriously consider dropping Ashley Young if I was GH. Can't see it.
At a guess (without looking) less than Downing & Albrighton & they've been on the wings.
At a guess (without looking) less than Downing & Albrighton & they've been on the wings.or how many Villa wins since hes been playing there. Im starting to think the sooner Ash goes , the better for the team. Hes a great player but he isnt doing us much good at the moment ( yes I know he works hard) and he could have easily been sent off on Saturday.
It's a gamble that any new managers change of methods will have the immediate impact necessary. At least by sticking with Gezza (for now!) we don't have any upheavel or changes for them to take on board. What they need is motivation and I'd hope that sheer professional pride will make up for the clear lack of this they're getting from their manager.
It's obvious though that Houllier isn't up to the job, and he will take us down. His methods aren't working, and haven't worked all season. We can't defend, and we don't score enough goals.
On that basis, I'd say we need somebody in who would at least sort out the rather obvious flaws in Houllier's game plan. Play 4-4-2 with Young on the wing and a proper partner for Bent.
I think we still think of Ash Young as he was two years ago, for me he has lost his technique, at one time his ball controll was the best in the side, no longer. Two years ago any free under thirty out you could guarantee he would go close, now everything is well of target or too high, and finally he slows our attacks down by going sideways or turning back on himself.
He is a winger who should be instructed to take on the full back with pace, he is not a midfielder and never will be.
Plugging the side project as well, here's my lengthy opinion: http://bit.ly/dHysFLSpot on, Dave. As you say, the Houllier experiment has failed and sooner or later the board will have to accept this and act.
In charge and with a vote of confidence.
In charge and with a vote of confidence.
We need to get Heskey in the team for Ashley Young.We need to play two strikers up front, agreed. Putting Heskey in the team, who has missed more than one empty net this season, when we need goals is daft IMO. Gabby up top, choose two from 3 wingers, 442.
Never thought I'd be saying that a couple of years ago.
We need to get Heskey in the team for Ashley Young.We need to play two strikers up front, agreed. Putting Heskey in the team, who has missed more than one empty net this season, when we need goals is daft IMO. Gabby up top, choose two from 3 wingers, 442.
Never thought I'd be saying that a couple of years ago.
Do something drastic. Sack him, bring in Curbishley or Allardyce and go back to basics to stay up, the risk being that next season will be mediocre and the standard of player that Houllier appears to be able to attract is unlikely to be the same under them.
Sack him and get who?
So playing a rookie Aussie midfielder who's about 5'10'' at the back instead of 6'3'' Baker who he shipped out to Left back is clever selection?
So playing a rookie Aussie midfielder who's about 5'10'' at the back instead of 6'3'' Baker who he shipped out to Left back is clever selection?
That, for me, really got me in a panic. And then to take Baker off after half an hour to bring Delph on so he could get forward more... fair enough to do that, but then why not take Herd off and move Baker to CB alongside Cuellar?
And to think, O'Neill playing Cuellar at RB used to stress me out. GH has taken 'tactics' to a new level - I thought it would be a strength of his, now I'm not so sure.
Lichaj can play competently all across the back four.
Plugging the side project as well, here's my lengthy opinion: http://bit.ly/dHysFL (http://bit.ly/dHysFL)
Whether he should go now or later is a separate matter for debate, but the noble idea that he can lead us into an era of success built on promising youngsters and stylish football, is a flawed one. The experiment has failed; time for a re-think.Interesting article, DW.
Forget kevmac- he was woeful as a caretaker , there's no one in the club to take over for 8 games.
Lichaj can play competently all across the back four.
Not according to my Leeds United supporting mates who have watched him the last few games.
The win in the game against Wolves had more to do with KMac than it did with Houllier being on the bench for the first time.
The win in the game against Wolves had more to do with KMac than it did with Houllier being on the bench for the first time.
HOULLIER QUOTE FROM BIRMINGHAM MAIL
“They said that (I don’t know what I’m doing) because I substituted Marc Albrighton with Gabby Agbonlahor,” he said.
“He was the main scorer last season as far as I know.
“He was on the bench and I just put him on to try and score a goal.
“We knew we’d be attacking and pushing and that’s why I tried offensive options.
HOULLIER QUOTE FROM BIRMINGHAM MAIL
“They said that (I don’t know what I’m doing) because I substituted Marc Albrighton with Gabby Agbonlahor,” he said.
“He was the main scorer last season as far as I know.
“He was on the bench and I just put him on to try and score a goal.
“We knew we’d be attacking and pushing and that’s why I tried offensive options.
What a stupid wanker
It's getting to the point where I can't go anymore until that clueless prick and his mute friend have gone
Sits there trying to perfect his Doleful, but serious, Highland Laddie look.What a stupid wanker
It's getting to the point where I can't go anymore until that clueless prick and his mute friend have gone
What exactly does McAllister do?
If he'd brought Gabby on for Albrighton, switched Young to the wing, and put Gabby in the middle his actions on Saturday may have made sense. But he didn't. This is before we start to analyse swapping NRC for a Frenchman in his late thirties who runs like an arthritic orang utan.
HOULLIER QUOTE FROM BIRMINGHAM MAIL
“They said that (I don’t know what I’m doing) because I substituted Marc Albrighton with Gabby Agbonlahor,” he said.
“He was the main scorer last season as far as I know.
“He was on the bench and I just put him on to try and score a goal.
“We knew we’d be attacking and pushing and that’s why I tried offensive options.
That just shows how detached from reality the wanker is
he scores all his goals from playing through the middle.
perhaps he could have enlightened us as to how many gabby has scored from the wing this season
the bbcsport ticker is saying that Paul Faulkner has given Houllier 'his full backing.'
I think they missed off 'To take us into the Championship.'
its not the sacking of Houllier that worries me, its the replacement,
if we feel we are in desperate trouble, we might do desperate things,
i strongly disagree with the posters who blindly say 'i dont care who it is. anyone is better than Houllier' because that is not the case.
we could end up staying up under say Alladyce, then having to put up with 2/3 seasons of hoof ball with crowds between 20/25k, but we would have no fear of going down, because we would be a rich mans Stoke,
and the prems where its all at !! load of balls
no thanks, i'd rather take the risk of relegation than that
Risso, I understand the constant bleating on Houllier and for the first time this season agree with some of it, but having a pop at Randy and Faulkner IMO is a bit off. Faulkner has managed to broker deals for Bent and Makoun, two highly rated footballers in Jan so deserves a little bit of slack for that, and Lerner should have enough in the bank to save him from taking pelters.
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
The only accusation I'd throw at the board is the seeming lack of desire/ambition they showed when going through the proces of replacing MON. Now, we all know the timing wasn't great, but even then the whole 'waiting to see who applied' thing just seemed wrong to me. The best managers, whether in a job or not, won't 'apply' for a job - they need to be approached.
We needed to be more ruthless and decide who we WANTED and then go get them.
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
It's a lot easier when you come to terms with the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you.
Personally, I think he should go, but I can also say that I like the football he at least tries to get us playing, and he probably would do much better next season.
The issue is, I think we'll be in the second flight next season if he stays.
or: all 9 of them are grown-up people who happen to disagree with you.
or: all 9 of them are grown-up people who happen to disagree with you.
or: all 9 of them are grown-up people who happen to disagree with you.
actually i'm one of them, and not very grown up to be truthfull
its not the sacking of Houllier that worries me, its the replacement,
if we feel we are in desperate trouble, we might do desperate things,
i strongly disagree with the posters who blindly say 'i dont care who it is. anyone is better than Houllier' because that is not the case.
we could end up staying up under say Alladyce, then having to put up with 2/3 seasons of hoof ball with crowds between 20/25k, but we would have no fear of going down, because we would be a rich mans Stoke,
and the prems where its all at !! load of balls
no thanks, i'd rather take the risk of relegation than that
We're talking short term appointment and then get the RIGHT manager in the summer, so it really shouldn't be an issue what type of football said manager plays for the 8 games.
or: all 9 of them are grown-up people who happen to disagree with you.
actually i'm one of them, and not very grown up to be truthfull
OK. 8 grown-ups and John the Baptist
It shows how desperate we've become when people keep crowing on about an average 30 minutes against an unbelievably woeful blackburn side
Just back from B6
NRC absolute class today MOM hope he stays
Delph looks quality, I was in north std lower directly behind that ball he played down the line to albrighton, great ball and worth the admission money alone. It was like a golf shot with a slight draw on the ball.
Dunne excellent as was Clark and I owe an apology to Pires.
Ashley young was awesome 2nd half
Here's the bit you selectively missed out you crafty old sod -
Ok reality check due, let's remember the first 40 mins were woeful, play like that on Wednesday and we'll be 3 or 4 down before we get into gear
& correctly we got pummelled by Ci£y before we got going
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
1 of those was Houllier himself.
1 was Mac
1 was pires
3 clicked the wrong one by mistake!
and 3 are fooking idiots!!!
In the post match thread v Blackburn I poosted that we were WOEFUL for the first 40 mins
Are you disputing that ????
We had a decent 2nd half with some very good individual moments (Delph pass) & performances (NRC)
the players have not put in the performances they should have, especially the so called seniors.
They are paid very handsomely to be professionals in their field.....it's about time they stood up and took their fair share of the blame for the position we are in.
Fucking 9 votes unbelieveable
1 of those was Houllier himself.
1 was Mac
1 was pires
3 clicked the wrong one by mistake!
and 3 are fooking idiots!!!
I didn't click by mistake and I hope you don't mean that I am an idiot, I just dont see the manager having to take the flak alone, the players have not put in the performances they should have, especially the so called seniors.
They are paid very handsomely to be professionals in their field.....it's about time they stood up and took their fair share of the blame for the position we are in.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
Well, I've just logged on and gather Houllier's still our manager.
For all his faults, Doug would have watched Saturday's performance, read the runes and taken him for a walk around his rose garden this morning, regardless of the fact that there's not a bloom to be seen.
In fact, with a big dollop of hindsight I would say that for all the new customer-friendly PR that comes out of Villa Park post-HDE, when it came to the big decision, Doug usually acted at the right moment. Of all the managers he sacked (as oppose to those who couldn't work with him any longer and resigned...), perhaps the only one he got spectacularly wrong was Tony Barton.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
I assume that 16.3 % posting on here are Blues fans.
or: all 9 of them are grown-up people who happen to disagree with you.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
Mind you, would'nt it be even more of a gamble to expect a manager to suddenly lead us to 4 wins out of the last 8, when he's only managed 6 league wins since September?
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
Where does it end though? If we get someone else in and certain players won't play for him either, what then? What if the next bloke can't get the fans onside, who next?I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
Would you rather be relegated without Houllier or with him? Its just as much a hypothetical question as yours.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
Mind you, would'nt it be even more of a gamble to expect a manager to suddenly lead us to 4 wins out of the last 8, when he's only managed 6 league wins since September?
I don't know, what do you think should happen? He's not going anywhere anyway.
Well, I've just logged on and gather Houllier's still our manager.
For all his faults, Doug would have watched Saturday's performance, read the runes and taken him for a walk around his rose garden this morning, regardless of the fact that there's not a bloom to be seen.
In fact, with a big dollop of hindsight I would say that for all the new customer-friendly PR that comes out of Villa Park post-HDE, when it came to the big decision, Doug usually acted at the right moment. Of all the managers he sacked (as oppose to those who couldn't work with him any longer and resigned...), perhaps the only one he got spectacularly wrong was Tony Barton.
Don't forget some of the utter dross he appointed as well though, on the cheap.
He got rid of some managers at the right time and hired some wrong people at the wrong time.
Thing is the sensible, non emotional view would be to stick, give him a bollocking, get the 2-3 wins to stay up and then fire him come the summer.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
Where does it end though? If we get someone else in and certain players won't play for him either, what then? What if the next bloke can't get the fans onside, who next?I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
Would you rather be relegated without Houllier or with him? Its just as much a hypothetical question as yours.
I'd rather be relegated without him, I'd rather he not be near our club anymore or have any decision making ability inside Aston Villa. He is clearly not a very good manager for Aston Villa.
Will the 9 or 10 people are here be happy if we are relegated?
Where does it end though? If we get someone else in and certain players won't play for him either, what then? What if the next bloke can't get the fans onside, who next?I'm not happy with results but at this stage of the season making a huge change - again - would be a huge gamble considering how low the confidence is within the squad.
Would you rather be relegated without Houllier or with him? Its just as much a hypothetical question as yours.
I'd rather be relegated without him, I'd rather he not be near our club anymore or have any decision making ability inside Aston Villa. He is clearly not a very good manager for Aston Villa.
Fair enough, then who is? I've seen some mental suggestions on here since last night: Sid, KMac, Laursen to name a few. I don't really care too much if Houllier fucks off at the end of the season as long as we stay up, but yet again Aston Villa are steaming through managers and it boils my fucking piss. We'll never have any consistency and therefore the bigger trophies if we don't stick to our guns. Fine, if relegation happens then give him the bullet, Randy's idea failed and he has to take some of the blame, but the next appointment has to be utterly correct. From my experience of the Villa, the next bloke will be gone in about 4 years as well.
Harrumph.
GED has the backing from the club.
Just been on BBC NEWS24. Statement came from PF.
Iceberg, what iceberg?
16 people hang your heads FFS!!!!
Has he gone yet ?
GED has the backing from the club.
Just been on BBC NEWS24. Statement came from PF.
Iceberg, what iceberg?
Some actions need to be taken. PF said he believed GH was the man to keep us up. MuppetGED has the backing from the club.
Just been on BBC NEWS24. Statement came from PF.
Iceberg, what iceberg?
How about RL sacking PF & GH? Rick Parry & Rafa Benitez need jobs and won the greatest prize together...?!
On the Guardian's podcast their French correspondent said that the board were sticking with Houllier as it is part of a long term plan scheduled for the next couple of years. He said that there is a split in the camp as some players don't like Houllier or his training methods whereas some of the other players have responded well, so nothing new there then. Deals are apparently already in place for new players in the summer, and you would imagine that a fair few of the current squad will be told to do one whatever our fate is at the end of the season.
I was super pissed off after the Wolves game but can see the board are clearly going to stick with him to try and avoid being relegated so he can sort the squad out. It would be interesting to see if Houllier could actually turn the club around without the constant infighting and bickering behind closed doors, which he would be able to do (in theory) with more of his own players. However most of the fans hate him now, which is obviously going to be a stumbling block.
I remember last season most of us wanted Liverpool to stick with Benitez so he could carry on turning Liverpool into a mediocre team. I think a few other set/s of fans not too far away are hoping our board do the same with Ged.
However most of the fans hate him now, which is obviously going to be a stumbling block.
8 back-to-back wins and a great start to next season? He'd be the best thing since sliced bread.Nah he ain't never gonna win our hearts and minds............
8 back-to-back wins
8 back-to-back wins
You been on the 'pop'?
If it was to be done then it would have been done by now.The other options are pretty grim too:
This makes it sink or swim time. For everyone at the club we have to hope he gets points on the board or the future is looking pretty grim.
If we get relegated under him and he stays on I think I will cry.
16 people hang your heads FFS!!!!
Has he gone yet ?
16 people hang your heads FFS!!!!
Has he gone yet ?
16 people hang your heads FFS!!!!
Has he gone yet ?
19 now, and 'only' 57% want him sacked now, so you are only just in the majority despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Can't you just accept that not everybody thinks the same as you?
16 people hang your heads FFS!!!!
Has he gone yet ?
19 now, and 'only' 57% want him sacked now, so you are only just in the majority despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Can't you just accept that not everybody thinks the same as you?
Yo be fair, that's 84% that think he's doing a shit job.
I don't doubt that people have their opinions and that's what football is about. The supporters need to remember that the no.1 priority for us is survival, regardless of who is in charge, and when the next game comes around we have to support the team. On Saturday, there wasn't much support for the team, just apathy for the manager
You simply cannot ignore his lack of man management skills (all these players cant be wrong), playing players out of position, bizarre substitutions, bizarre tactics, lack of a plansounds like MON ,other than the man management skills...
We havent got the players with "steel" to survive. So we're going to need a manager with it instead.
Unleash Big Sam.
Seconded. 5/6 games with him in the dressing room would certainly create some kind of passion.
We havent got the players with "steel" to survive. So we're going to need a manager with it instead.Seconded. 5/6 games with him in the dressing room would certainly create some kind of passion.
Unleash Big Sam.
After a moment of confusion at his appointment I supported it. Made sense with his CV as a person to take us to the proverbial next level.
I stayed with him until late December, just. Now I want him away from Villa Park. Results alone are enough, but everything else too documented here to repeat, make his tenure untenable.
He has failed us. He simply has no respect from his players. They are demotivated and confused. That is a management problem.
Get rid of him now. Some of us older guys said that in December that it smelt of relegation. Then a bit of positivety and a big signing(s) slowed down the abuse but results, and player/supporter unrest is now even worse. For good reasons.
The risk of direct action is huge but inaction is worse. We will go down with this man in charge. The team needs inspiration and clarity of purpose. ie some tactical and positioning continuity. And some bloody fight. And a mature solution to the internal bickering. GH cannot supply that motivation or put fire in their bellies.
I really want us to win the next 2 games, move away from relegation just to stop all this talk of Big Sam. I have always got impression he don't like us anyway, I know I don't like his approach and his stupid ear piece, please no.
i also cant help thinking that the training regime has something to do with the injury situationYes, Duverne fucked up the World Cup in South Africa and he made Zidane headbutt the Eytie too.
Those who say that these disputes should be kept on the training ground or in the manager's office.
Imagine, for a moment, that issues have been raised by the players regarding defensive training; issues regarding defending of set-pieces, defensive tactics being different for reserves, youths and first team. The players are unsure of their individual and collective roles whilst defending, for example, corners.
What if, when the players raised these issues and concerns, nothing was done about it? And if the concerns that were raised, and the subsequent inaction of the coaching/management staff, resulted in a huge amount of goals and points being surrendered?
The players would be feeling, quite rightly in my opinion, a little bit disappointed that their concerns weren't taken on board. Let's imagine that they were labelled as trouble makers and dissenters for raising their concerns. If they were called, in front of their colleagues, "traitors".
Then, imagine if the management commented in public that the defensive problems were purely of the player's making, that the management were as baffled as anyone as to why there were problems. And if the management were to say, in private, that these players are paid to defend and they should just defend "and stop asking questions".
What if the management responded to the player's concerns by leaving angry voicemail messages, lambasting a player's commitment and accusing them of "treachery"?
At what stage are the players to be forgiven for getting so frustrated that their patience snaps?
I am not condoning any players actions, nor am I commenting on any specific incident. Let's call this a hypothetical situation.
When are the players forgiven for taking their concerns out from the training ground and manager's office?
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
I don't really want Kevin McDonald back in charge but even Kevin the gerbil would be better than this muppet.
Someone on VT, who apparently is close to a couple of the players posted this.If true very very worrying.
Now, it may be true, it may be bollocks, it may have become exaggerated, but I hope there's no truth in it.QuoteThose who say that these disputes should be kept on the training ground or in the manager's office.
Imagine, for a moment, that issues have been raised by the players regarding defensive training; issues regarding defending of set-pieces, defensive tactics being different for reserves, youths and first team. The players are unsure of their individual and collective roles whilst defending, for example, corners.
What if, when the players raised these issues and concerns, nothing was done about it? And if the concerns that were raised, and the subsequent inaction of the coaching/management staff, resulted in a huge amount of goals and points being surrendered?
The players would be feeling, quite rightly in my opinion, a little bit disappointed that their concerns weren't taken on board. Let's imagine that they were labelled as trouble makers and dissenters for raising their concerns. If they were called, in front of their colleagues, "traitors".
Then, imagine if the management commented in public that the defensive problems were purely of the player's making, that the management were as baffled as anyone as to why there were problems. And if the management were to say, in private, that these players are paid to defend and they should just defend "and stop asking questions".
What if the management responded to the player's concerns by leaving angry voicemail messages, lambasting a player's commitment and accusing them of "treachery"?
At what stage are the players to be forgiven for getting so frustrated that their patience snaps?
I am not condoning any players actions, nor am I commenting on any specific incident. Let's call this a hypothetical situation.
When are the players forgiven for taking their concerns out from the training ground and manager's office?
Well based on what is happening it would not surprise me if some of this were true. There is something very rotten at the core of the club. There is absoloutely no way with the players at the club should we be in this situation.Someone on VT, who apparently is close to a couple of the players posted this.If true very very worrying.
Now, it may be true, it may be bollocks, it may have become exaggerated, but I hope there's no truth in it.QuoteThose who say that these disputes should be kept on the training ground or in the manager's office.
Imagine, for a moment, that issues have been raised by the players regarding defensive training; issues regarding defending of set-pieces, defensive tactics being different for reserves, youths and first team. The players are unsure of their individual and collective roles whilst defending, for example, corners.
What if, when the players raised these issues and concerns, nothing was done about it? And if the concerns that were raised, and the subsequent inaction of the coaching/management staff, resulted in a huge amount of goals and points being surrendered?
The players would be feeling, quite rightly in my opinion, a little bit disappointed that their concerns weren't taken on board. Let's imagine that they were labelled as trouble makers and dissenters for raising their concerns. If they were called, in front of their colleagues, "traitors".
Then, imagine if the management commented in public that the defensive problems were purely of the player's making, that the management were as baffled as anyone as to why there were problems. And if the management were to say, in private, that these players are paid to defend and they should just defend "and stop asking questions".
What if the management responded to the player's concerns by leaving angry voicemail messages, lambasting a player's commitment and accusing them of "treachery"?
At what stage are the players to be forgiven for getting so frustrated that their patience snaps?
I am not condoning any players actions, nor am I commenting on any specific incident. Let's call this a hypothetical situation.
When are the players forgiven for taking their concerns out from the training ground and manager's office?
Someone on VT, who apparently is close to a couple of the players posted this.
Now, it may be true, it may be bollocks, it may have become exaggerated, but I hope there's no truth in it.QuoteThose who say that these disputes should be kept on the training ground or in the manager's office.
Imagine, for a moment, that issues have been raised by the players regarding defensive training; issues regarding defending of set-pieces, defensive tactics being different for reserves, youths and first team. The players are unsure of their individual and collective roles whilst defending, for example, corners.
What if, when the players raised these issues and concerns, nothing was done about it? And if the concerns that were raised, and the subsequent inaction of the coaching/management staff, resulted in a huge amount of goals and points being surrendered?
The players would be feeling, quite rightly in my opinion, a little bit disappointed that their concerns weren't taken on board. Let's imagine that they were labelled as trouble makers and dissenters for raising their concerns. If they were called, in front of their colleagues, "traitors".
Then, imagine if the management commented in public that the defensive problems were purely of the player's making, that the management were as baffled as anyone as to why there were problems. And if the management were to say, in private, that these players are paid to defend and they should just defend "and stop asking questions".
What if the management responded to the player's concerns by leaving angry voicemail messages, lambasting a player's commitment and accusing them of "treachery"?
At what stage are the players to be forgiven for getting so frustrated that their patience snaps?
I am not condoning any players actions, nor am I commenting on any specific incident. Let's call this a hypothetical situation.
When are the players forgiven for taking their concerns out from the training ground and manager's office?
I'm not defending the manager when I say this but, all those who are calling for his sacking, what would be the next step? Who would we get in? Could this action even cause further problems? I'm worried any action could be too late with so few games left.
I'm not defending the manager when I say this but, all those who are calling for his sacking, what would be the next step? Who would we get in? Could this action even cause further problems? I'm worried any action could be too late with so few games left.
I wouldn't deny that sacking him would be a gamble, but it's a decision we have to make. Having Houllier at the club is destroying everything that has been put in place over the last five years. He's alienated both players and supporters, and things seem to be nosediving at a critical point of the season.
I do not want him to go. I want to see what he can do with a squad when he has had pre-season and enough training time. He has to pick teams with no regular or dedicated defence at the moment!
And for god's sake stop suggesting Big Sam. Whatever you think of the opinions above.
I do not want him to go. I want to see what he can do with a squad when he has had pre-season and enough training time. He has to pick teams with no regular or dedicated defence at the moment!
And for god's sake stop suggesting Big Sam. Whatever you think of the opinions above.
**double post**
He will turn around and say well the players let me down, i inherited a bad situation, it was the previous managers fault.
I'm not defending the manager when I say this but, all those who are calling for his sacking, what would be the next step? Who would we get in? Could this action even cause further problems? I'm worried any action could be too late with so few games left.
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?
Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.
We still have some principles on how to play the game, I don't want Allardyce swaning in and turning us into a carbon copy of Bolton or Blackburn, we're bigger than that.
Even those clowns at West Ham didn't consider him.
Allardyce is the personification of everything that is wrong with modern football management. I have too much pride in the club to accept him as our manager.
He's not even a "football" manager, his teams are so horrible to watch. He spent most of his time at Blackburn honing an approach which consisted of assaulting the goalkeeper while throwing balls into the box.
So, yes, I would much rather get relegated and regroup under a proper manager for the future than suffer under that twat. It's nothing about having a "sexy" manager, either, it's about not having a manager who squeezes the last ounce of joy out of football.
And why is it that Allardyce has suddenly become seen as the obvious "he'll keep us up" saviour by so many people?
all we need is a bit of fight in the team in the last 8 games. and under houllier there isnt that and players like downing, young, bent all know that they will get a premier league team next season if we go down so they probably aint botherd. BUT if houllier goes these players will hopefully get a different attitude. we need cowans and macdonald in charge. the player respect macdonald and cowans. tactically he may not be up to it but he isnt stupid and doing ok with the reserves. the players need motication and need to respect the management and that will never happen under houllier. GET RID NOW !!! .
Allardyce is the personification of everything that is wrong with modern football management. I have too much pride in the club to accept him as our manager.
He's not even a "football" manager, his teams are so horrible to watch. He spent most of his time at Blackburn honing an approach which consisted of assaulting the goalkeeper while throwing balls into the box.
So, yes, I would much rather get relegated and regroup under a proper manager for the future than suffer under that twat. It's nothing about having a "sexy" manager, either, it's about not having a manager who squeezes the last ounce of joy out of football.
And why is it that Allardyce has suddenly become seen as the obvious "he'll keep us up" saviour by so many people?
Allardyce spend two seasons at Blackburn, after inheriting a side that had played for the majority of the previous 3-4 years playing a robust, physical style under Mark Hughes. Within that though, he still had players like Pedersen and Dunn, who are good footballers, and when for example, Blackburn beat us twice last season, I thought the two teams played an extremely similar style of football, ie not pleasing on the eye but effective.
You also seem to ignore the point that at Bolton, Allardyce brought some great flair players like Okocha and Campo to the Premier League, but I don't suppose that suits the argument.
All this "anti-football, I'd rather get relegated" stuff is hysterical hyperbole. I wouldn't choose Allardyce as manager given a few options, but I'd have him over Houllier any day of the week. Houllier is currently neck and neck with McNeill as our worst ever manager, despite inheriting a decent squad and spending a fortune in January.
Anybody who would rather get relegated with Houllier is probably going to get their wish.
I have to say, I find that a bit of a volte face from you, Risso, as you were possibly as vocal as me in criticising MON's style of football.
I can only imagine what you'd be like the first time you saw us whacking it long endlessly while Big Sam prowled the touchline in his bluetooth headset.
It's all very well citing a few half decent footballers he bought at Bolton, but his "hallmark" in the game is nothing to do with football at all.
all we need is a bit of fight in the team in the last 8 games. and under houllier there isnt that and players like downing, young, bent all know that they will get a premier league team next season if we go down so they probably aint botherd. BUT if houllier goes these players will hopefully get a different attitude. we need cowans and macdonald in charge. the player respect macdonald and cowans. tactically he may not be up to it but he isnt stupid and doing ok with the reserves. the players need motication and need to respect the management and that will never happen under houllier. GET RID NOW !!! .
do the players respect cowans and mcdonald though?
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?
Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?
Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.
Martin.
I have to say, I find that a bit of a volte face from you, Risso, as you were possibly as vocal as me in criticising MON's style of football.
I can only imagine what you'd be like the first time you saw us whacking it long endlessly while Big Sam prowled the touchline in his bluetooth headset.
It's all very well citing a few half decent footballers he bought at Bolton, but his "hallmark" in the game is nothing to do with football at all.
It's not a volte face at all, as I've said I wouldn't choose him as our next long term manager. I don't like his, or Martin O'Neill's or Mark Hughes's style of football, you're quite correct. I also don't think he'd come for just 8 games in any case.
If it was a choice between having Allardyce as manager though, and staying up, it'd be the latter every time. You can sack a manger easily enough (except if your name is Lerner apparently, but I digress) but getting relegated would ruin us. A lot of our decent players would be poached by the likes of Spurs and Liverpool, our financial situation which is already a concern would be horrendous, and we'd probably need exactly an Allardyce/O'Neill style manager to get us out ofthe Championship anyway.
I don't want him as manager, but in a hypothetical choice, I'd choose him over relegation. I'd also choose him over Houllier.
Martin.
It would be all or nothing with Allardyce.
If he came for the 8 games and say won 5 of them, everybody would be clamouring for his appointment.
This 'only for 8 games' would never be workable.
It would be all or nothing with Allardyce.
If he came for the 8 games and say won 5 of them, everybody would be clamouring for his appointment.
This 'only for 8 games' would never be workable.
Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock
Article here. Includes picture of the General in full military uniform LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3482537/Aston-Villa-are-told-Go-kick-the-cp-out-of-Everton.html)Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock
What does the Sun say?
mmm strange emotion - i'm beginning to miss Doug???
Article here. Includes picture of the General in full military uniform LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3482537/Aston-Villa-are-told-Go-kick-the-cp-out-of-Everton.html)Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock
What does the Sun say?
Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock
What does the Sun say?
Article here. Includes picture of the General in full military uniform LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3482537/Aston-Villa-are-told-Go-kick-the-cp-out-of-Everton.html)Back page of The Sun quite embarrassing today.
We are being turned into a laughing stock
What does the Sun say?
& Gerrard in combat gear
What's this shit about a protest before Newcastle game?
Mindless.
What's this shit about a protest before Newcastle game?
Mindless.
What?
No, tell me it's bollocks please. Surely our fans aren't that small-minded are they?
What's this shit about a protest before Newcastle game?
Mindless.
WikiVilla: How else can those fans who are unhappy make their feelings known ?
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Who or what will they be supporting?
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
If it's for the Everton match it will read "I want your babies Beckford"
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
If it's for the Everton match it will read "I want your babies Beckford"
Are you implying that WikiVilla is in actual fact the banned Cooper's Injury?
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
If it's for the Everton match it will read "I want your babies Beckford"
Are you implying that WikiVilla is in actual fact the banned Cooper's Injury?
Erm............... Yes.
That's what I was thinking, didn't realise he was banned though , I thought he left in a huff over beckford.It was more like a minute and a huff.
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?
Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.
i'm with Paulie and CCBB on this one,
whats the point in going to watch football that you dont enjoy, all this Alladyce can play good football is just a load of bollox, just open your eryes and watch his teams over a period of time, thats what your signing up for just to stay in the promised land.
you can spin around it all you like but thats the fact of the matter, his teams play hoof ball and its a load of shit to watch with no pretence to do anything different.
even the Geordies couldnt stand it
also i dont agree with your relegation/armageden sinario, i'm not shit scared of it like many others, so that probably makes me see things slightly differently
if we did go down we would have all the resources to come back up, i dont agree at all with your 5/10 years of lower league football.
so you might feel shocked, but i would definitely take relegation every day of the week than play non atractive anti football,
the prems not the be all and end all for me, i know that makes our views different, but thats the way it is.
Wiki, what will you write on your banner?
Things that embarrass me as a Villa fan: being in a relegation scrap after challenging for Europe three years running. Everything our manager says and does. Losing at home to Wolves. Reading all the stuff about the "team-bonding" trip. General Krulak never learning and having his words twisted by the media for the umpteenth time this season. Paul Faulkner. The thought of playing away at Doncaster next season with Blues possibly still being in the Premier League and definitely playing in Europe.Spot on.
Things that I think are a bit misguided but not really that embarrassing in the grand scheme of things: some eejit hanging a flag up for 10 minutes saying what most people are thinking, and a handful of divs on Facebook giving it the big 'un despite knowing full well that any sort of demonstration on Saturday will fizzle out before they even get out of the pub (or more likely, sweetshop).
The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.
Sack him in May after he's kept us up.
The we undertake a purge to rid the club of him, Dunne, Collins, both Youngs, Beye, Warnock, Friedel, the current coaching staff and Carew.
Sell them, sack them, shoot them- it makes no difference.
The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.
We are a big club in crisis though.
The thing is Risso, the media are looking for a "Big club in crisis" angle (ripped badge on the back pages alert), if word gets out that the yoofs are going to screech "Hotlips, Hotlips, Hotlips, out, out out" before the match, they will turn up to record it, and those few dozen kids will make us Villa fans look like a right bunch of c***s, even though most of us want nothing to do with it.
We are a big club in crisis though.
Yes we are, but there's no need to hand the media our cuntness on a plate is there?
Actually it's SAM, 24, From MANCHESTER
and she has a lovely rack
Wiki, 'are you coopers, are you coopers , are you coopers in disguise'?
Only joking !
Plot LostActually it's SAM, 24, From MANCHESTER
and she has a lovely rack
what have I missed ?
'My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway).'
Why is that a worry? If the new manager gets them playing better, and we start winning games, why is it a worry that they are given a clean slate?
'My only worry with sacking him is that the new manager may want to give these players a clean slate (well Carew's gone anyway).'
Why is that a worry? If the new manager gets them playing better, and we start winning games, why is it a worry that they are given a clean slate?
I think Big Sam should come in and be Gerald's No 2 for rest of season. So he can get the fight out of our players. So that way we can continue passing game.
I'd take relegation over Allardyce being manager. Never in a million years should his name ever be mentioned when discussing the Villa's management position.
So would I, frankly.
Relegation would be humiliating, but not half as humiliating as having that cock brained anti-football tosser in charge.
I have to say I find that shocking. You would actually rather Villa be relegated than have a manager keep us up just because you don't like him?
Relegation could set us back god knows how many years, with no guarantee of when we'd return. And you wouldn't mind us being in the Championship for 5-10 years as long as Allardyce isn't around it seems.
Personally I couldn't give a shit who is in charge as long as we stay up. And next season, i'd rather be 12th in the PL with Allardyce in charge come winter rather than be anywhere in the Championship with a "sexy" manager.
i'm with Paulie and CCBB on this one,
whats the point in going to watch football that you dont enjoy, all this Alladyce can play good football is just a load of bollox, just open your eryes and watch his teams over a period of time, thats what your signing up for just to stay in the promised land.
you can spin around it all you like but thats the fact of the matter, his teams play hoof ball and its a load of shit to watch with no pretence to do anything different.
even the Geordies couldnt stand it
also i dont agree with your relegation/armageden sinario, i'm not shit scared of it like many others, so that probably makes me see things slightly differently
if we did go down we would have all the resources to come back up, i dont agree at all with your 5/10 years of lower league football.
so you might feel shocked, but i would definitely take relegation every day of the week than play non atractive anti football,
the prems not the be all and end all for me, i know that makes our views different, but thats the way it is.
For the record, i'd much prefer we don't have Alladyce in charge, but if the choice was between him and staying up or relegation then i'd choose him every time. I also never said Allardyce played entertaining football or put any spin on things, so please don't try and claim I did.
The promised land? Sorry, excuse me for wanting to see Villa challenging at the top level rather than scrabbling around in a lower league. Remind me how many non top flight sides have won a trophy in the last 15 years?
Entertaining football is the be all? I find leaving VP with 3 points the most entertaining and satisfying thing. Are we turning into Albion with their ethos of "I'd rather lose than play like that" bollocks?
As for not being afraid of the drop, given our less than healthy balance sheet, it worries the fuck out of me. We could be down there for a few years, no one ever has a devine right to promotion. I very much doubt the Leeds/Boro/Sheff Weds etc thought they would be where they are now the day they dropped.
For the record, I think the odds are we'd come straight back up, but would much prefer not to find out if we would or not.
I'm not buying into the Premier League dream, but I still have a "I want to see Villa win things" dream, and as much as it seems the chances of it coming true get slimmer as I get older, it's got a much better chance of coming true if we are in the top flight.
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.
It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?
I've done more Villa games this season than for many a year. I've yet to see us lose as well.
Yes, sorry Risso, bit below the belt, apologies.
I will very possibly be at the Newcastle game though, I've done more Villa games this season than for many a year. I've yet to see us lose as well.
Yes, sorry Risso, bit below the belt, apologies.
I will very possibly be at the Newcastle game though, I've done more Villa games this season than for many a year. I've yet to see us lose as well.
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.
It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.
It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?
Completely disagree. If Liverpool or Man U were in our position their supporters would be doing exactly the same.
To my eyes it's the opposite of small time or pathetic it shows that Villa supporters have some spirit. They're not prepared to take any more of this crap and they're not going to sit back and relax. Rightly so..
Perhaps not every few months, no.
But 1 point above the drop zone (3 off the bottom) going into April?
I can see why some might find that unacceptable, yes.
I've done more Villa games this season than for many a year. I've yet to see us lose as well.
Right, whose going to organise the whip-round to get DC to every game between now and the end of the season?!
What's the win: draw ratio, Dave?
It's not the first mishap: when he was approached, we had to wait while he faffed about with the french FA; then the Liverpool love-in; then Citeh.
Ally this to all the incomprehensible team selections, and it's a whole bloody catalogue of "mishaps"!
Get your a**e down to VP right now.
Get your a**e down to VP right now.
What? Now? It's all dark and there's no game on.
Get your a**e down to VP right now.
What? Now? It's all dark and there's no game on.
Yes. You're obviously a lucky charm. Live under the Holte End. I'll feed you scraps. The Boss will buy you beer. What more could you ask for?
Get your a**e down to VP right now.
What? Now? It's all dark and there's no game on.
Yes. You're obviously a lucky charm. Live under the Holte End. I'll feed you scraps. The Boss will buy you beer. What more could you ask for?
Fair enough, just on me way.
So, every time we have a few months where things don't go right we should be demonstrating. That'll work wonders for our image.
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.
It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?
Completely disagree. If Liverpool or Man U were in our position their supporters would be doing exactly the same.
To my eyes it's the opposite of small time or pathetic it shows that Villa supporters have some spirit. They're not prepared to take any more of this crap and they're not going to sit back and relax. Rightly so..
I think you're in danger of over-exaggerating the effect of the fans at the moment. I work with a load of scousers, and they're laughing at us because of our predicament in the table, and that our manager is such a train wreck, nothing else.
That's because, as yet, we haven't had a load of numpties parading around in front of the cameras shouting for the manager's head and, by association, making Villa fans look like twats.
It's small-time, it's embarrassing and if it was Newcastle, Boggies, Small Heath or anyone else we'd be pissing ourselves at how pathetic it looks.
You thinking of joining in seeing as how you think it's such a good idea?
Completely disagree. If Liverpool or Man U were in our position their supporters would be doing exactly the same.
To my eyes it's the opposite of small time or pathetic it shows that Villa supporters have some spirit. They're not prepared to take any more of this crap and they're not going to sit back and relax. Rightly so..
Demonstrations are for when your club is rotten from top to bottom, not because the first team is losing games and in a relegation fight as we are right now. Does anybody want to compare Randy Lerner and the people around him to the old men who very nearly bankrupted us in the late 1960s. Because if you do you dont know your Villa history.
The principles of supporting Houllier are probably correct, however it will cost us our PL status
Clearly Dunne & Collins were fit for selection on Saturday and should have been fielded
The players will not perform over the next 8 games for GH so we are as good as down
The principles of supporting Houllier are probably correct, however it will cost us our PL status
Clearly Dunne & Collins were fit for selection on Saturday and should have been fielded
The players will not perform over the next 8 games for GH so we are as good as down
Just hard again Mourinho want to comeback next season to prem .. If only ...
Didn't Pat Murphy of the BBC hint that Dunne was available for selection for Wolves ??
Just hard again Mourinho want to comeback next season to prem .. If only ...
He'll go to Ci£y i imagine
Didn't Pat Murphy of the BBC hint that Dunne was available for selection for Wolves ??
Does he manage the club ?
Just hard again Mourinho want to comeback next season to prem .. If only ...
He'll go to Ci£y i imagine
Agree, he'd be brilliant for us, if only
I agree but If he wanted a challenge , a giant , prove he dont need millions to win anything... It would be .......................................... wake up ..
Collins miraculously was fit by Monday am & now is banging on about being Captain on Saturday
Wake up, smell the coffee
Dunne has had a mystery "injury" since the Ci$y cup fiasco/debacle. Not many saw him get injured in that game
Says the boss whilst posting on H&V!;-)
anyone know a hitman ??
http://www.brethart.com/files/images/112008.uk.anthony2.JPG
I win
I would have just posted it but I couldn't work out how to ddrrrr
Didn't Pat Murphy of the BBC hint that Dunne was available for selection for Wolves ??
Does he manage the club ?
No, but he's a reliable source of info
Didn't Pat Murphy of the BBC hint that Dunne was available for selection for Wolves ??
Does he manage the club ?
No, but he's a reliable source of info
Since when ?
I would have just posted it but I couldn't work out how to ddrrrr
Need to click repy button. And click on insert image button and between the img's put link to your image :-)
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Someone tell that im wrong but even though I think Footballers are pampered and are not in the real world and That everyone is saying Houlier is right to enforce his strict regime why does this not happen all over the premiership?
I would imagine the sheer lack of ambition demonstrated at Man City in the FA Cup would have more of an influence in players leaving than a few "rules". Something that will aslo affect our ability to attract replacements.
I've just made an appointment with my boss, I'm going to complain that he expects me to turn up to work on time and to earn my money during work time rather than fucking about on my mobile. I wonder how far I'll get?
I would imagine the sheer lack of ambition demonstrated at Man City in the FA Cup would have more of an influence in players leaving than a few "rules". Something that will aslo affect our ability to attract replacements.
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.
I would imagine the sheer lack of ambition demonstrated at Man City in the FA Cup would have more of an influence in players leaving than a few "rules". Something that will aslo affect our ability to attract replacements.
That would have more credence if we hadn't been seeing stories like this all season.
its not the rules that im worried about its all the players that want to leave
Dont mind them leaving if they dont want to be here but when lots of players come out and say they want to leave something has to be wrong
its not the rules that im worried about its all the players that want to leave
Dont mind them leaving if they dont want to be here but when lots of players come out and say they want to leave something has to be wrong
its not the rules that im worried about its all the players that want to leave
Dont mind them leaving if they dont want to be here but when lots of players come out and say they want to leave something has to be wrong
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.
What exactly is wrong with any of the supposed new rules?
It never ceases to amaze me the gullibility of some on here who see something in a paper and take it all as gospel.
Morale Smith.
Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?
Morale Smith.Tim.
You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.
ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.ITS GETTING WORSE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369704/Gerard-Houlliers-law-Aston-Villa-casts-shadow-future-players.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Amazing.
See you all in the Championship boys, this crazy Manager of ours needs fucking sectioning.
What exactly is wrong with any of the supposed new rules?
It never ceases to amaze me the gullibility of some on here who see something in a paper and take it all as gospel.
You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.
Ha, ha.
I didn't get where I am today by referring to people by their christian names.
Morale Smith.Tim.
You might be better off not insultingly referring to someone by their surname.
You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.
Morale Smith.
Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?
Do you do it by addressing people by their surname?
The teachers at our school always sarcastically called you MISTER Fletcher.You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.
Ha, ha.
I didn't get where I am today by referring to people by their christian names.
We never addressed each other by christian names at our school. Never. Surnames or nicknames.
I went to school with a lot of wankers, mind.
Aside from the fact that these sort of stories need to be taken with a large pinch of salt, I imagine the reason a lot of players wouldn't respond to strict rules and dictats from this management is that they are completely dis-chuffed with the unravelling disaster that is Le Gaffeur's reign. If we were doing well then it wouldn't be an issue. But take a really shit manager who appears clueless as to what he's doing, throw in a few seemingly petty rules and you've got a mutiny on your hands. The whole thing stinks and it's emanating primarily from the manager's office, for god's sake GO Gerard.
its not the rules that im worried about its all the players that want to leave
I am sick to the back teeth of all this shit coming out of Houllier's/players mouths about the club I love.
Morale Smith.
Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?
Morale Smith.
Have you ever had to motivate people in times of stress ?
I have, spent a few years as an NCO doing just that.
Wouldn't like to have many of you whimpering jibbers in the same trench mind.
These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!
Aside from the fact that these sort of stories need to be taken with a large pinch of salt, I imagine the reason a lot of players wouldn't respond to strict rules and dictats from this management is that they are completely dis-chuffed with the unravelling disaster that is Le Gaffeur's reign. If we were doing well then it wouldn't be an issue. But take a really shit manager who appears clueless as to what he's doing, throw in a few seemingly petty rules and you've got a mutiny on your hands. The whole thing stinks and it's emanating primarily from the manager's office, for god's sake GO Gerard.
Very true.
We can say what we like about his methods and whether the players are being unprofessional by moaning about them, but if you look at what's served up on the pitch it's clear that these methods are not working.
These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!
For some, and probably most, that may be the case, but when a lad like Gabby who is Brummie born and came through the ranks has issues I think it shows something deeper is wrong than the usual modern player apathy.
That's presuming it's right, of course.
surely the players have to attempt to impliment them for them to work - on a few occassions this season they have worked and we've looked half decent. the bottom line is the chairman appoints a manager and then the manager decides the training and tactics. If his training consists of forcing the players to do riverdance for 40 minutes then thats his call. We can moan about the tactics all we like which is our right, and if the chairman is unhappy he can sack him, but as for the players, they should shut the fuck up and get on with it
These players don't give a fuck about Aston Villa, that is clear to me!
For some, and probably most, that may be the case, but when a lad like Gabby who is Brummie born and came through the ranks has issues I think it shows something deeper is wrong than the usual modern player apathy.
That's presuming it's right, of course.
well if gabby is driven away by the simple rules of not using your mobile in the dressing room, and not contacting the chairman personally and undermining the manager then i'd say he doesn't particulary idolise the club. I mean its hardly a reign of terror is it?
Playing him out of position ( when he plays) must be hacking him off massively.
Then he gets to Training and is ordered to put his mobile phone in his locker, and woe betide him if he doesn't.
well if gabby is driven away by the simple rules of not using your mobile in the dressing room, and not contacting the chairman personally and undermining the manager then i'd say he doesn't particulary idolise the club. I mean its hardly a reign of terror is it?
Yes, the pain and suffering that having to put your mobile phone in your locker while at work would cause must be immense. I'd slap a transfer request in straightaway personally.
Playing him out of position ( when he plays) must be hacking him off massively.
Then he gets to Training and is ordered to put his mobile phone in his locker, and woe betide him if he doesn't.
Come on Sheffield, it's a time for motivating, cheering up, creating a sense of unity and togetherness.
Not this.
If the Manager was respected it wouldn't be an issue by the way.
Yes, the pain and suffering that having to put your mobile phone in your locker while at work would cause must be immense. I'd slap a transfer request in straightaway personally.
Playing him out of position ( when he plays) must be hacking him off massively.
Then he gets to Training and is ordered to put his mobile phone in his locker, and woe betide him if he doesn't.
Come on Sheffield, it's a time for motivating, cheering up, creating a sense of unity and togetherness.
Not this.
If the Manager was respected it wouldn't be an issue by the way.
Dunne turned up for the start of the season overweight - for O'Neill and Kevin Mac not for Houllier. Warnock has been crap for the best part of a year. Luke Young (for reasons unknown) got himself into a position where the previous manager wouldn't play him. Ditto Habib Beye. Carew was out at a lap-dancing club the night before a big game. Ireland has been, and continues to be an unprofessional cock throughout his career. Reo-Coker was in a well-publicised training ground argument with MoN.
Don't pretend that these players were all good as gold, superb professionals until Houllier got here. They weren't. They aren't behaving like unprofessional cocks because they don't respect Houllier. They are behaving like unprofessional cocks because they are unprofessional cocks.
You might have great shoes and after shave, but you're not an 18th century Lancashire mill owner.
Ha, ha.
I didn't get where I am today by referring to people by their christian names.
I said somewhere else, that if Houllier was such a cock as he's made out to be then he wouldn't have acheived any success anywhere. The fact is he has achieved success with a number of different players throughout his career. He's won trophies which must mean he has players that wanted to play for him, and fought for him. He's in a situation now that he has "acquired" players that were loyal to their former governor, because the former governor allowed them considerable liberties in return for guaranteed playing time. New boss, new rules, and they don't like it.
It's a time for players paid huge sums of money to forget about their mobile phones, pink car wheels and jewellery (and in Dunne's case pies and pints) and earn their sodding money. I couldn't care less whether they like, love or hate Houllier.
And it would be an issue if the manager was respected. Dunne turned up for the start of the season overweight - for O'Neill and Kevin Mac not for Houllier. Warnock has been crap for the best part of a year. Luke Young (for reasons unknown) got himself into a position where the previous manager wouldn't play him. Ditto Habib Beye. Carew was out at a lap-dancing club the night before a big game. Ireland has been, and continues to be an unprofessional cock throughout his career. Reo-Coker was in a well-publicised training ground argument with MoN.
Don't pretend that these players were all good as gold, superb professionals until Houllier got here. They weren't. They aren't behaving like unprofessional cocks because they don't respect Houllier. They are behaving like unprofessional cocks because they are unprofessional cocks.
So they don't like Houllier. Well in that case, play and try for the club, for the fans. For themselves, to prove that they still can. For their families to respect them. For other clubs to sign and give them yet more money in the summer. There are five pieces of motivation right there.
Yes Houillier has made mistakes. I'm not certain he's the right man for the job. But treating them like poor, hard-done to little schoolboys - no. No more. There comes a point where they need to motivate themselves. And this is it.Yes, the pain and suffering that having to put your mobile phone in your locker while at work would cause must be immense. I'd slap a transfer request in straightaway personally.
Playing him out of position ( when he plays) must be hacking him off massively.
Then he gets to Training and is ordered to put his mobile phone in his locker, and woe betide him if he doesn't.
Come on Sheffield, it's a time for motivating, cheering up, creating a sense of unity and togetherness.
Not this.
If the Manager was respected it wouldn't be an issue by the way.
spot on SheffVilla...
How out of touch with the modern game is GH ? clueless clown
Ok I can accept there needs to be discipline and he is doing what he thinks needs to be done in that respect, but simply can't defend his bizarre tactics, tram selections PR gaffes and cup humiliation
Go now houllier you are destroying our club
Spot on Sheffield Villain.
What the hell is going on with some of these quotes? Do you read from the top or bottom or work your way from the middle and out?
How out of touch with the modern game is GH ? clueless clown
Ok I can accept there needs to be discipline and he is doing what he thinks needs to be done in that respect, but simply can't defend his bizarre tactics, tram selections PR gaffes and cup humiliation
Go now houllier you are destroying our club
How out of touch with the modern game is GH ? clueless clown
Ok I can accept there needs to be discipline and he is doing what he thinks needs to be done in that respect, but simply can't defend his bizarre tactics, tram selections PR gaffes and cup humiliation
Go now houllier you are destroying our club
I think his choice of urban transportation is the least of our problems.
How out of touch with the modern game is GH ? clueless clown
Ok I can accept there needs to be discipline and he is doing what he thinks needs to be done in that respect, but simply can't defend his bizarre tactics, tram selections PR gaffes and cup humiliation
Go now houllier you are destroying our club
No less boring than all this banging on about giving him more time, he plays an exciting brand of football, he knows what he's doing bollocks
No less boring than all this banging on about giving him more time, he plays an exciting brand of football, he knows what he's doing bollocks
But nobody is posting this continuously, every single fucking post they make!
We know your opinion, you have posted it eleventy-billion fucking times in the last week, give it a fucking rest you boring, boring knobber.
No less boring than all this banging on about giving him more time, he plays an exciting brand of football, he knows what he's doing bollocks
But nobody is posting this continuously, every single fucking post they make!
We know your opinion, you have posted it eleventy-billion fucking times in the last week, give it a fucking rest you boring, boring knobber.
Never mind a like button, I want a love one for for that post Dave!
I seem to remember reading when he was appointed articles quoting Carragher and Gerrard saying that Houllier is the best manager they'd worked with (or words to that effect). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either of those players, but they've still done a lot more in this game than the majority of our squad have. (Pires excepted of course).
Get a room, lol
No less boring than all this banging on about giving him more time, he plays an exciting brand of football, he knows what he's doing bollocks
But nobody is posting this continuously, every single fucking post they make!
We know your opinion, you have posted it eleventy-billion fucking times in the last week, give it a fucking rest you boring, boring knobber.
I seem to remember reading when he was appointed articles quoting Carragher and Gerrard saying that Houllier is the best manager they'd worked with (or words to that effect). Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either of those players, but they've still done a lot more in this game than the majority of our squad have. (Pires excepted of course).
Interestingly those two Liverpool players you mentioned were very young when Houllier brought them through. Aren't we hearing similar mutterings from our young kids? That they like him as a manager, and like his training methods. If I remember correctly, when Houllier came to Liverpool he gutted the old guard out of that squad and brought in a lot of his own along with the kids. They went on to do alright. I'm quite sure he wants to do the same to us.
Someone tell that im wrong but even though I think Footballers are pampered and are not in the real world and That everyone is saying Houlier is right to enforce his strict regime why does this not happen all over the premiership?
It probably does, but winning clubs don't make good headlines.
He had that time with Evans with him first though didn't he, so the squad were stabilised more than ours. I agree though, he has walked into the bar and puposefully picked a fight with the biggest kid. Touble is that he has done it in a back drop of huge amounts of injuries which has meant alienating others has caused more problems than it would have ordinarily. I think if we survive, he has to be given the time to sort it to the way he wants. Oh and get a coach.
Friedel said today the regime is not strict. So the press are blowing much of it way out of proportion
Someone tell that im wrong but even though I think Footballers are pampered and are not in the real world and That everyone is saying Houlier is right to enforce his strict regime why does this not happen all over the premiership?
It probably does, but winning clubs don't make good headlines.
Okay name me the last club that had so many players that seemed to be causing problems and tell me it wasnt because of the manager
Friedel said today the regime is not strict. So the press are blowing much of it way out of proportion
Oh well thats sorted then if Friedel says so
Friedel said today the regime is not strict. So the press are blowing much of it way out of proportion
Oh well thats sorted then if Friedel says so
Friedel said today the regime is not strict. So the press are blowing much of it way out of proportion
Oh well thats sorted then if Friedel says so
What's more likely to be true? A story with directly attributable quotes to Friedel or a story saying the opposite with no quotes whatsoever.
According to my journo contact, things are ten times worse than what the papers are printing.You need to back that up with facts
According to my journo contact, things are ten times worse than what the papers are printing.You need to back that up with facts
Why would journo's hold back if they had more fuel for the fire?
They're looking for a story when there isn't one
anyone know a hitman ??
anyone know a hitman ??
I know two, think they've retired though. I tend not to ask them about 'work' mind.
According to my journo contact, things are ten times worse than what the papers are printing.You need to back that up with facts
Why would journo's hold back if they had more fuel for the fire?
They're looking for a story when there isn't one
come now percy , please share your exclusive with us.
Friedel said today the regime is not strict. So the press are blowing much of it way out of proportion
Oh well thats sorted then if Friedel says so
You'd rather believe a tabloid journalist than a Villa player?
According to my journo contact, things are ten times worse than what the papers are printing.You need to back that up with facts
Why would journo's hold back if they had more fuel for the fire?
They're looking for a story when there isn't one
come now percy , please share your exclusive with us.
That's all he said really. He also said that sacking Houllier would create a huge 'feel-good factor' amongst the squad, and that even if we were actively looking for a replacement, the talk of backing GH would still be happeneing. So I'm still hopeful.
I've done more Villa games this season than for many a year. I've yet to see us lose as well.
Right, whose going to organise the whip-round to get DC to every game between now and the end of the season?!
What's the win: draw ratio, Dave?
Eight wins, one draw (the Man Utd home 2-2).
In a particularly shit season you have to say that's bloody good going innit?
Eight wins, one draw (the Man Utd home 2-2).
In a particularly shit season you have to say that's bloody good going innit?
Hmm, eight wins? Have we even managed that many in total this season, cups included?!
I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.Not a chance.
I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
Ha, he's been on the Guinness.I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
Maybe Tony is making reference to a long overdue Richard the Third.
I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
I take what's in the press with a pinch of salt but even if only half of it's true then the manager has well and truly lost the dressing room. His gig is over. But I reckon RL is not the sort let him go without a replacement. I think in the next few days he will find his man. The Everton game deadline is pretty irrelevant as I suspect that the club is not expecting too much from that game.I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
Why ?
I take what's in the press with a pinch of salt but even if only half of it's true then the manager has well and truly lost the dressing room. His gig is over. But I reckon RL is not the sort let him go without a replacement. I think in the next few days he will find his man. The Everton game deadline is pretty irrelevant as I suspect that the club is not expecting too much from that game.I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
Why ?
Ladbrokes are doing 12/1, very tempting.I take what's in the press with a pinch of salt but even if only half of it's true then the manager has well and truly lost the dressing room. His gig is over. But I reckon RL is not the sort let him go without a replacement. I think in the next few days he will find his man. The Everton game deadline is pretty irrelevant as I suspect that the club is not expecting too much from that game.I have a strong feeling he will be pushed out this week.
Why ?
I trust you've piled on at the bookies.
Gary Mac interview with Pat Murphy on after seven on 5 live.I'm expecting lots of 'dead air'
That's an old story though isn't it and its an old Picture of Houllier as well
Excuses are not an option. We want results and points.
Yeah, appoint Ray Wilkins right now. Everything will then be fine.
10 points is realistic on face value, but our best chance of getting them are beating Newcastle, Stoke and Wigan at home and then a point away at either West Ham or Albion. That would be a level of consistencey we've not come even close to showing so far this season.
Surely with four home games and three away the target should be 21pts, not 10.
Surely with four home games and three away the target should be 21pts, not 10.
It's the kind of non-stretching target he would set
Bit like stating we are a 5th - 12th placed club
But should he not really be saying he WANTS maximum points
same as when he took the job - he wants us to be top 4, not between 5-12th
But should he not really be saying he WANTS maximum points
same as when he took the job - he wants us to be top 4, not between 5-12th
If he'd said he wants maximum points you'd be bitching about unrealistic targets.
Well we're certainly not sat between 5-12th so he's underperforming even by his own standards
But should he not really be saying he WANTS maximum points
same as when he took the job - he wants us to be top 4, not between 5-12th
If he'd said he wants maximum points you'd be bitching about unrealistic targets.
Targets should be stretching, set them a 21 point target, then if they get 12 points all well and good
You've explained nothing to me. What I will explain to you is that its highly likely it will need a record points haul to stay up this year, could be as high as 45 pts.
I want my team to get 7 wins & i want our manager to be saying that
Just about every manager in the bottom half of the PL has been asked how many points they think they'll need to stay up. 10 points would do it, I believe. That's what Houllier has said publicly.Agreed. I'm much more concerned that Hou is saying the right things to the players than to the media.
Privately, I'm sure he's saying something else to the players. Put it this way, if we win our next three I'm sure he won't be telling them to ease off. Don't think issuing war cries to the media like 'we need to win seven from seven' is going to help anyone. Least of all the players. The pressure's high enough as it is.
cant beleive he is still in charge !!
Go get David Moyes and Ray Wilkins !!!
I may owe you an apology, I've finally done the BBC predictor thing and it shows based on my predictions 40 pts will do it with Wigan, Blackburn & W Ham failing to hit that targetYou've explained nothing to me. What I will explain to you is that its highly likely it will need a record points haul to stay up this year, could be as high as 45 pts.
I want my team to get 7 wins & i want our manager to be saying that
I have explained it, sadly you're unwilling or unable to understand.
agree and in that respect we should be hoping spurs season does not now implode
agree and in that respect we should be hoping spurs season does not now implode
Our saving grace may be that Liverpool aren't going to get 4th and the likes of Bolton aren't going to overtake them to 6th, so by the last game of the season they'll have nothing to play for.
John, you're not worrying enough! Liverpool and possibly Arsenal will have nothing to play for and be able to relax and play free flowing football. The sooner this season ends the better hopefully with us beating the drop. I hate football, it ruins your life.agree and in that respect we should be hoping spurs season does not now implode
Our saving grace may be that Liverpool aren't going to get 4th and the likes of Bolton aren't going to overtake them to 6th, so by the last game of the season they'll have nothing to play for.
Remember the end of the season when we needed to beat Wigan?John, you're not worrying enough! Liverpool and possibly Arsenal will have nothing to play for and be able to relax and play free flowing football. The sooner this season ends the better hopefully with us beating the drop. I hate football, it ruins your life.agree and in that respect we should be hoping spurs season does not now implode
Our saving grace may be that Liverpool aren't going to get 4th and the likes of Bolton aren't going to overtake them to 6th, so by the last game of the season they'll have nothing to play for.
Trust me - I'm worrying!
However I think that history shows us that teams with nothing to play for are easier opponents at the end of the season than those fighting at either end of the table.
How have they done compared to us since they bit the bullet and sacked their manager?
How have they done compared to us since they bit the bullet and sacked their manager?
Do you attribute their improved form solely to the fact that they fired Hodgson? Or is it largely, perhaps even mainly, that they had the luxury of Dalglish waiting in the wings?
How have they done compared to us since they bit the bullet and sacked their manager?
Do you attribute their improved form solely to the fact that they fired Hodgson? Or is it largely, perhaps even mainly, that they had the luxury of Dalglish waiting in the wings?
You appoint a manager, it's obvious that forever reason it isn't working, and you replace him and move on. It's worked for Liverpool and to a certain extent Newcastle, but keeping the chuffing useless Houllier hasn't worked for us.
I don't think for a second sacking for the sake of it and hiring some useless, depressing English manager like Allardyce or Curbishley would do us any better than sticking with Houllier.