Women and the offside rule - Andy Gray sacked

[damon loves JT]

This Keys/Gray situation reminds me of when Big Fat Ron spoke unpleasantly about Marcel Desailly. Wasnt BFR sacked ?

Cast into outer darkness, and has never been back.

[DB]

Gray should never work again.

He should be replaced by Stan Collymore immediately.

...er no.

[Astral Weeks]

Gray should never work again.

He should be replaced by Stan Collymore immediately.

Yeah, there's a bloke who knows how to treat women.

[Chris Jameson]

Too many people living in their own little fantasy world's.

Don't leave us hanging on, fantasy world's what?

I'm living in the real world, son.

"It's better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you're not"

Still not a clue i'm afraid.

Son? Think i'm probably old enough to be your Dad. i'm not.

Still not a clue? Nah, I actually have a great life and I'm still young and cool. 9/10's 'mirin me all day every day.

What I was implying I take my real life views onto the internet. Don't try and join any cliques or anything like that, just be myself. Some posters on here seem to be very out of touch with reality and it's quite obvious some don't get out much hence you get oddballs calling people bigots when they have a different opinion to you. Those people are blatantly socially awkward hence not getting out much.

Ask most men (in real life btw, not on the internet where anyone can be who they like) about woman's football and you'll just laughs and piss-taking with the usual "The only woman's sport I watch is woman's beach volleyball". Say that on here and you'll get shot down and ironically be called a bigot by the people who obviously don't get out much.

You're the bloke who defends Mel Gibson aren't you? And has hissy fits about Ricky Gervais.

Sorry about the quotathon, i'm usually a quotathonist in whichever fantasy world it is I seem to live in but thanks Rodent for pointing that out. No wonder I haven't a clue what he/she is banging on about.

[eastie]

It won't be collymore- they will promote stelling or shepherd and use souness and redknapp more.

[London Villan]

More hypocritical media companies... Collymore's, very public, girlfriend beating past hasn't stopped his media career developing quite nicely.

[Dave Javu]

Yeah, Jamie Redknapp. Isn't he the one who goes on all those posh holidays but forgets to take his kids?

[Chico Hamilton III]

Yeah, Jamie Redknapp. Isn't he the one who goes on all those posh holidays but forgets to take his kids?

Glad I'm not the only one who gets wound up by that.

maybe Harry and Sarndra baby sit

[Chris Jameson]

Yeah, Jamie Redknapp. Isn't he the one who goes on all those posh holidays but forgets to take his kids?

Glad I'm not the only one who gets wound up by that.

maybe Harry and Sarndra baby sit

They used to leave them with the Mccann family but think there was a falling out about their childcare methods.

[Dave Javu]

Jamie and Louise on a package holiday.

Chortle.

[Mazrim]

It's important that they get to chill out on holiday. Its a tough life when... what is it they do?

[Chico Hamilton III]

Its a tough life when... what is it they do?

Get paid to disown their kids and jet off to paradise

[pauliewalnuts]

Pretty grim by the sound of it.

'There's been a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky for a long time'

Three women who held prominent positions at Sky Sports describe a 'lads' club' and a 'climate of fear'

The only surprise about the events leading to Andy Gray's sacking as the most famous voice in football yesterday was that he had not made a similar gaffe in public before. That is the view of three women who have all held frontline roles at Sky Sports.

Fearing repercussions that could harm their careers if they were identified, the three spoke to the Guardian on condition of anonymity. But despite talking separately, their views echoed each other's; each describing the bullying and sexist culture they feel Gray and his co-presenter, Richard Keys, have fostered.

One former Sky journalist said: "It came as absolutely no surprise to me to see this. The surprise is that we haven't seen more. It's the kind of language and vocabulary that is used within the Sky football department all the time."

Another, who still works for Sky, said: "There are many stories of their shocking behaviour. [Gray and Keys] are hated by the crews. It's a climate of fear pervading. But as long as everyone is laughing and it's a joke it's all right isn't it? I believe sexism is systemic and not openly challenged but goes underground or disguised as jokes or 'just banter'."

The third separately cited how "just banter" is claimed as a defence, and explained why that claim holds no water. "Live football is well known as something everyone wants to work on. But no one wants to work with those two. They took the piss out of a runner for having no money. It's nasty bullying with an edge. It's not just banter."

All three women agree that Barney Francis, who has been managing director of Sky Sports since his appointment 18 months ago, has improved matters. His decision yesterday summarily to dismiss Gray shows that he will scarcely indulge a chauvinistic culture any longer. One said: "There has been a culture of bullying and sexism around Sky for a very long time, but recently Sky have been managing the bullying a lot better through changes in management. There were rumours of people being told off and that bullying behaviour was unacceptable."

Yet despite the positive steps made by Francis, the women all expressed a feeling that there must be more widespread surgery to eradicate what they described as a patriarchy that limits women's promotion prospects. "There's this blokey vibe and it's like a lads' club," said one. "At the BBC the head of sport is Barbara Slater. Sky are a long way from that situation.

"During my time at Sky Sports News it wasn't hidden that women were appointed to present on it primarily because of the way they looked. You can see how Andy and Richard are behaving like that because the people at the top have employed people without any experience. Clearly that's sexist and it means at Sky you are always looked down on as a woman involved in sport, full stop."

That view chimed with another's view. She said: "You'd get bosses saying, 'It's just fruit on the barrow.' I found it a very sexist working environment. The production staff found it incredibly frustrating: they're younger for a start than the management.

"But it permeated through the whole culture. When Sky Sports News first started the girls were in suits. Sky was still about the image but they wanted women who were interested in sport. "Any monkey can read an autocue and you can't build passion for what you do from nothing. But if you're a woman you were there as decoration. Anything else was a bonus. It's not that there is a criterion about how the girls look. It's that it is the main criterion."

Sky told the Guardian that it hires its presenters principally for their abilities as journalists and presenters. Nonetheless, one of the former Sky journalists pointed out that the fact that Gray and Keys's unreconstructed comments were leaked into the public domain reflects the glee that Sky employees would feel at their downfall.

"I think deep down Richard and Andy are just bullies," she said. "They bully new men in the game as well. It's how they operate. They don't have many friends there but after 20 years they've always been at the top of the game and earning a ridiculous amount of money, so I guess who's laughing?

"But they have ruled the roost for a long time and upset people for a long time. They got into bother with someone who had a schadenfreude motive. I am just surprised that you have a broadcaster with experience of 20 years talking like that in front of a mic and not expecting it to get out. It was not the first time they were caught saying things they shouldn't say. They think they can get away with murder. How arrogant."

A Sky spokesman said last night: "There was evidence at the weekend and we took action. Today there has been new evidence and we have taken entirely appropriate action. If people are saying there is a culture of sexism here that shows we don't tolerate it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/26/andy-gray-richard-keys-sixist

[SteveD]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jan/26/andy-gray-richard-keys-sixist

That, as Andy Gray will no longer be able to say, should be the Last Word.

I can't see Keys coming back any time soon or at least not in that capacity.

[sfx412]

Hypocritical to sack Gray and keep Keyes.
I'd guess their only way forward would be to dramatically change the format of the show, rather than just replace Gray, who despite the general dislike made the show what it is