Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 09:15:02 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 09:07:07 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:50:11 PMQuote from: LeeB on January 06, 2011, 08:42:40 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:40:06 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?And if he does well and stays with us?Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.Harrumph.So your policy would be to spend on names like Ronaldinho and Tevez then ?Mon spent 180 million and bought a squad which he was so confident in he ran from it at the first chance, didn't work for him yet you want a bloke you don't rate to spend big?Excuse me but that sounds a wee bit silly.We have needed a real right back for several seasons, and this one is a proven player in form. Perhaps if he'd cost 9 mill from Leeds and never played a serious game you'd love him.
Quote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 09:07:07 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:50:11 PMQuote from: LeeB on January 06, 2011, 08:42:40 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:40:06 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?And if he does well and stays with us?Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.Harrumph.
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:50:11 PMQuote from: LeeB on January 06, 2011, 08:42:40 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:40:06 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?And if he does well and stays with us?
Quote from: LeeB on January 06, 2011, 08:42:40 PMQuote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:40:06 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2011, 08:40:06 PMQuote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Quote from: Dave on January 06, 2011, 08:23:13 PMIf he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first teamI think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
Not really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.
Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2011, 05:48:56 PMNot really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.Its become a recent phenominon of including wages over the course of the contract as total spent on players, something Doug Ellis started a few years back. Its used to suit a particular argument. The club should ensure that the balance sheet shows that monthly incomes are suitably more than the outgoing including wages, and if they have not done that then something is wrong. Money spent on players in my book is what it always used to be, transfer fees. I get it to approx £70m or £17.5m per season. In fairness, for me the whole club are to blame for the stupid wages we have paid to mediocre players.
All I know from the last game is that we were playing our best 2 CB as fullbacks, so bringing in a specialist FB with a point to prove seems like a smart move to me. Get another one in, Ged, and then move Cuellar and Clark into the middle where they belong!
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on January 07, 2011, 06:06:01 PMQuote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2011, 05:48:56 PMNot really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.Its become a recent phenominon of including wages over the course of the contract as total spent on players, something Doug Ellis started a few years back. Its used to suit a particular argument. The club should ensure that the balance sheet shows that monthly incomes are suitably more than the outgoing including wages, and if they have not done that then something is wrong. Money spent on players in my book is what it always used to be, transfer fees. I get it to approx £70m or £17.5m per season. In fairness, for me the whole club are to blame for the stupid wages we have paid to mediocre players.And whether Mrs Overall is counting wages or not, his calculations are still massively flawed.
He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
Quote from: Rip van Fletcher on January 08, 2011, 05:43:54 PMHe attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.Wow u know that from one game versus a team that are 21st in the Championship........We need to wait before saying how good he is or isnt