heh! good old villadawg. why did you decide to choose 28 as your comparison point? is 28 the new 30?
yeah, i'm sure thats why he chose 28 However a fairer stat is the following. When he left the club, 7 players were well over 30Friedell. youngDunneCarewHeskeyPetrovBeyeof the rest, 3 look to have no future at the clubSidwellSalifouDavieswhich leaves 8 below 30 and not all of them are regulars or guaranteed to become 1st team playersyoungWarnockceullarDowningcollinsDelpthGuzanNRCnow considering there are no players left from previous managers, 8 players out of 17 players with a possible long term future at the club is a not very impressive legacy given the amount of time he had. Ancellotti may have an old squad but a lot of them are inherited world class players not bought by him. Ferguson may have an old squad but a lot of them are former youth players he paid nowt for. big difference. Another relevant point is clubs like Citeh and chelsea can afford to have an older squad because frankly they have the vast resources to replace them every 4 years. We on the other hand haven't so we better hope the youngsters are as good as we think they are.
Beye is one of the worst players for villa ive ever seen get rid in january.will only be on a free cause i carnt see any one paying for him!!
Quote from: gregnash on December 17, 2010, 08:26:59 AMyeah, i'm sure thats why he chose 28 However a fairer stat is the following. When he left the club, 7 players were well over 30Friedell. youngDunneCarewHeskeyPetrovBeyeof the rest, 3 look to have no future at the clubSidwellSalifouDavieswhich leaves 8 below 30 and not all of them are regulars or guaranteed to become 1st team playersyoungWarnockceullarDowningcollinsDelpthGuzanNRCnow considering there are no players left from previous managers, 8 players out of 17 players with a possible long term future at the club is a not very impressive legacy given the amount of time he had. Ancellotti may have an old squad but a lot of them are inherited world class players not bought by him. Ferguson may have an old squad but a lot of them are former youth players he paid nowt for. big difference. Another relevant point is clubs like Citeh and chelsea can afford to have an older squad because frankly they have the vast resources to replace them every 4 years. We on the other hand haven't so we better hope the youngsters are as good as we think they are.I chose 28 because it would include all of the players who would fall into Kevin's expansive "over age" category of players who will be 30 in December 2011 i.e. 17 months after O'Neill left the club.I suppose I could now go and have a look at your category of players who "were well over 30" and see how it compares to other clubs but it would be just as easy for you to do it yourself. Although seeing as 2 of your 7 were aged 30 when O'Neill left and another 2 had turned 31 the month before he left, I probably wouldn't label it as "players who were well over 30"
Most wouldn't consider a year in any one job a particularly long time, yet if GH manages it -and was to keep all the gems he inherited from MON- he'd have 8 players 30 or over and one soon to follow. Hardly a desirable situation, Wouldn't you agree?
Is it me or is this one of the most tediously pointless threads in a huge history of tediously pointless threads?Yes, yes, I know, don't read it or post on it if you don't like it, but there is something almost mesmerising about the way certain posters can turn a relatively benign thread into an epic borefest!
Quote from: Dave on December 16, 2010, 01:10:25 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on December 16, 2010, 01:01:29 AMYoung wasn't his first major signing. Petrov was.The point still stands. If you're trying to decide whether it's worth giving the manager more money based on the collective signings of Carew, Petrov and Young then do you give him more to try and do the same with other players?I would.I don't think it was a matter of how good the players were. Randy would have given the manger money to spend regardless, just as he always did. What happened last summer, and more importantly why it happened, none of us know.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 16, 2010, 01:01:29 AMYoung wasn't his first major signing. Petrov was.The point still stands. If you're trying to decide whether it's worth giving the manager more money based on the collective signings of Carew, Petrov and Young then do you give him more to try and do the same with other players?I would.
Young wasn't his first major signing. Petrov was.