Not the General Krulak Thread

[Villa'Zawg]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

Has it? The only thing that has been said is that, and I cannot remember the actual quote, that MON thought he was bigger than the club, or that he hadn't the best interests of the club in his work.

If you want my boat to be flaoted even more, or even just sink it, then tell me went on. Why did MON go, and why did he do it when he did.

If I understood it correctly, the issue was that the board decided the wage bill was too high and the manager didn't think he could improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill, so he left.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

MON had threatened to leave Celtic on a few occasions unless he was given more transfer money.

[peter w]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

Has it? The only thing that has been said is that, and I cannot remember the actual quote, that MON thought he was bigger than the club, or that he hadn't the best interests of the club in his work.

If you want my boat to be flaoted even more, or even just sink it, then tell me went on. Why did MON go, and why did he do it when he did.

If I understood it correctly, the issue was that the board decided the wage bill was too high and the manager didn't think he could improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill, so he left.

As for your last sentence, has that been confirmed or is that what we have been left to believe from what the General posted, what others have posted, and what we have seen between the lines?

[cdward]

If I understood it correctly, the issue was that the board decided the wage bill was too high and the manager didn't think he could improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill, so he left.

If that was the case, we are still in the same situation then, as the wage bill must be still roughly the same, so what have the Board done to address the problem six months later?

[Villa'Zawg]

Edit:quote fail.

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

Has it? The only thing that has been said is that, and I cannot remember the actual quote, that MON thought he was bigger than the club, or that he hadn't the best interests of the club in his work.

If you want my boat to be flaoted even more, or even just sink it, then tell me went on. Why did MON go, and why did he do it when he did.

If I understood it correctly, the issue was that the board decided the wage bill was too high and the manager didn't think he could improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill, so he left.

As for your last sentence, has that been confirmed or is that what we have been left to believe from what the General posted, what others have posted, and what we have seen between the lines?

It's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. The official statement from Randy said something about focusing on resolving issues between Milner and Man City and aiming to be as successful as we can, given our size and resources. I didn't like it.

[sfx412]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

What he said

[sfx412]

MON had threatened to leave Celtic on a few occasions unless he was given more transfer money.

Did he not do the same at Leicester too ?

[dave.woodhall]

MON had threatened to leave Celtic on a few occasions unless he was given more transfer money.

Did he not do the same at Leicester too ?

At Leicester the problem was more the fact that the business operations (ie selling shirts) was becoming more important than the football.

[sfx412]

If I understood it correctly, the issue was that the board decided the wage bill was too high and the manager didn't think he could improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill, so he left.

If that was the case, we are still in the same situation then, as the wage bill must be still roughly the same, so what have the Board done to address the problem six months later?

Has that to do with the transfer window being closed and most of those sat doing nothing, which was the complaint, have played, or played and been injured?

[sfx412]

MON had threatened to leave Celtic on a few occasions unless he was given more transfer money.

Did he not do the same at Leicester too ?

At Leicester the problem was more the fact that the business operations (ie selling shirts) was becoming more important than the football.

But didn't he threaten to leave several times before he finally did ?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

MON had threatened to leave Celtic on a few occasions unless he was given more transfer money.

Did he not do the same at Leicester too ?

At Leicester the problem was more the fact that the business operations (ie selling shirts) was becoming more important than the football.

Don't know about Leicester but the Celtic threats of walking out come from Archie McPherson's brilliant book 'Flower of Scotland'
He kept dropping veiled hints to the media that he was ready to walk at any time.

Like at our club, he was pretty much given free rein at Celtic Park.

[ROBBO]

Amongst all the who did what and why there are a few indisputable facts. MON had employed players for Aston Villa that he never used, it was costing an enormous amount of money to have them sit idle, no business can sustain that and be successful.
Whatever the reason for Martin leaving he would have known it was the worst possible time for the club.
If i were the chairman of a soccer club looking for a new manager i would look at what he did to Villa and look elsewhere.
Randy Lerner has been the best owner/chairman we've ever had.

[cdward]

Amongst all the who did what and why there are a few indisputable facts. MON had employed players for Aston Villa that he never used, it was costing an enormous amount of money to have them sit idle, no business can sustain that and be successful.
Whatever the reason for Martin leaving he would have known it was the worst possible time for the club.
If i were the chairman of a soccer club looking for a new manager i would look at what he did to Villa and look elsewhere.
Randy Lerner has been the best owner/chairman we've ever had.

OK so now Houllier is here, the players have not sat idle, but the wage bill is the same (give or take),  but are we actually worse off now, lower attendances, more first team players to pay (Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, Hogg all on new contracts), reduced shirt sales, looking less and less like a CL team. So it will be interesting to see what the board decide next, financially nothing has changed, and i agree no business can sustain losses, so will we have to sell to buy first, and if we do does that mean MON was right?

[pauliewalnuts]

Amongst all the who did what and why there are a few indisputable facts. MON had employed players for Aston Villa that he never used, it was costing an enormous amount of money to have them sit idle, no business can sustain that and be successful.
Whatever the reason for Martin leaving he would have known it was the worst possible time for the club.
If i were the chairman of a soccer club looking for a new manager i would look at what he did to Villa and look elsewhere.
Randy Lerner has been the best owner/chairman we've ever had.

OK so now Houllier is here, the players have not sat idle, but the wage bill is the same (give or take),  but are we actually worse off now, lower attendances, more first team players to pay (Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, Hogg all on new contracts), reduced shirt sales, looking less and less like a CL team. So it will be interesting to see what the board decide next, financially nothing has changed, and i agree no business can sustain losses, so will we have to sell to buy first, and if we do does that mean MON was right?

But look at the injury crisis we have had, and are still going through.

It is unreasonable to expect to combine that with the uncertainty and change that comes with replacing the entire management team at short notice, and still get the same kind of results. It's also extra unfair to be judging the new management team halfway through the season.

As for your last point re will it mean MON was right if we sell to buy first, that's an interesting question, but what about turning it around? If we spend more than we recoup in January, will that bury this whole "woe is us" nonsense that has arisen about our transfer investment since O'Neill went?

I can't speak for the General, but I am willing to bet several pounds of my money that one of the things which hurt him and pissed him off the most was the surprisingly high number of people who seemed ready to lay into Randy as a reincarnation of Doug with his tightfisted ways at the first, very slight slow down in the spending - and regardless of the reasons for it.

Truly embarassing, and to be honest, if I were Randy Lerner, I'd have told us all to fuck off and got on with something more rewarding in my life. He still might - billionaire football owners have been known to do that. There's a good example in the north east, for starters.

[KevinGage]

Amongst all the who did what and why there are a few indisputable facts. MON had employed players for Aston Villa that he never used, it was costing an enormous amount of money to have them sit idle, no business can sustain that and be successful.
Whatever the reason for Martin leaving he would have known it was the worst possible time for the club.
If i were the chairman of a soccer club looking for a new manager i would look at what he did to Villa and look elsewhere.
Randy Lerner has been the best owner/chairman we've ever had.

OK so now Houllier is here, the players have not sat idle, but the wage bill is the same (give or take),  but are we actually worse off now, lower attendances, more first team players to pay (Clark, Bannan, Albrighton, Hogg all on new contracts), reduced shirt sales, looking less and less like a CL team. So it will be interesting to see what the board decide next, financially nothing has changed, and i agree no business can sustain losses, so will we have to sell to buy first, and if we do does that mean MON was right?

Well you could argue that -Sidwell apart- the outcasts have featured more this year and Davies (in part or in total) is off the wage bill at present as he's at Leicester.

So if they're not idle, there is more justification in keeping them on the wage bill. I also doubt with the sheer volume of injuries we've had to endure this year that there will  be any more departures until we get some fresh faces in.