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Online Somniloquism

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2010, 08:14:39 PM »
Spurs are more of a selling club than we are...they've just signed equally as good replacements to vober that.
There in lies the difference, 'Arry wouldn't piss £9m up the wall on McGready, or £9.5m on Curtis Davies.
Doh'Neill's bilnkered transfer policy was always a handicap for us and it may have more far reaching consequences than we imagined.

Although it was too much money, was many moaning about the signing back in 2008? In fact wasn't his Arsenal injury what most pointed to in the downturn in results at that point in the season when he was still on loan, (obviously before a pattern of last third season collapses was established)

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2010, 08:17:11 PM »
When Man City come calling, virtually EVERYBODY is a selling club.
He's an excellent player, but £26m?
Spurs are no different to us, they would have sold him too.

I'm not so sure they would have given that they'd qualified for the Champions League.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2010, 08:20:37 PM »
 Sell him for £26 million and replace him for £8 million?


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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2010, 08:26:34 PM »
He hasn't been replaced at the moment. Certainly not by Ireland if that is who you are indicating for £8mil. But I reckon Joe is pointing out that CL football would not have been an excuse for Milner to leave if he was at Spurs.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2010, 08:30:13 PM »
He hasn't been replaced at the moment. Certainly not by Ireland if that is who you are indicating for £8mil. But I reckon Joe is pointing out that CL football would not have been an excuse for Milner to leave if he was at Spurs.

He said Spurs wouldn't have done the deal. I'm saying they would have, because the money was obscene, particularly when there is a market for Dutch internationals for £8 million.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2010, 08:38:57 PM »
The reasoning s for the sale would have been different though. Would Milner want to go when he had CL football anyway and would Spurs need the money for a key player when they were into the League stage of the CL. Also if they had done the same deal they wouldn't have been in the market for VDV if they had just got a similar player in Ireland several days before.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2010, 08:42:47 PM »
True, Carrick was replaced by Modric and Berbatov by Defoe (who he'd initially repalced?!)

What happens when Modric goes to Man United next summer mind, I don’t know.


I always think back to the start and summer of 2008 when they sold Berbatov, Keane and Defoe all within 6 months which resulted in the infamous 2 points from 8 games. Oh how things have changed so quickly.#

Guess it just shows what can happen if you strike gold with a managerial appointment (plus buy back some of the players you've sold!)

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2010, 08:49:37 PM »
Arsenal were in the CL when they received offers for Toure and Adebayor they deemed too good to turn down, ditto Barca with the other Toure.

Tottenham sold Carrick to Man U just after they missed out on CL in 2006.

So whether you're in the CL or no, sometimes you receive offers that make you part with players you weren't particularly looking to offload.

That doesn't automatically put you on a par with B-lose, Crewe, Wigan or any other low ranking club that need to sell to exist.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2010, 08:50:14 PM »
True, Carrick was replaced by Modric and Berbatov by Defoe (who he'd initially repalced?!)

What happens when Modric goes to Man United next summer mind, I don’t know.


I always think back to the start and summer of 2008 when they sold Berbatov, Keane and Defoe all within 6 months which resulted in the infamous 2 points from 8 games. Oh how things have changed so quickly.#

Guess it just shows what can happen if you strike gold with a managerial appointment (plus buy back some of the players you've sold!)

They did have Bent still and Arry has had luck . Massive paper talk about him selling Pav last jan, who gets injured so can't be sold as he lets Keane go instead. Then Pav steps up and gets them Key goals in the race to 4th.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #114 on: September 19, 2010, 08:57:59 PM »
Arsenal were in the CL when they received offers for Toure and Adebayor they deemed too good to turn down, ditto Barca with the other Toure.

Tottenham sold Carrick to Man U just after they missed out on CL in 2006.

So whether you're in the CL or no, sometimes you receive offers that make you part with players you weren't particularly looking to offload.

That doesn't automatically put you on a par with B-lose, Crewe, Wigan or any other low ranking club that need to sell to exist.

You do have some points. I would argue that apart from Berbatov, the players you have mentioned were becoming surplus to requirements or were better off away as they were trouble makers so get as much dosh as possible.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #115 on: September 19, 2010, 09:45:08 PM »
A selling club traditionally used to be seen as a B-lose or a Norwich or even Crewe, a club that had to sell it's best players at regular intervals to merely survive.

In recent times you could probably say of all the top flight clubs Wigan come closest to that category, though with DW's backing they're unlikely to go under. It's just a case of balancing the books.

If we suddenly belong in that esteemed company because two of our better players became Billy Big Bollocks and agitated for a move, then so are Man U, Arsenal and any other club that faced similar in recent seasons.

I find it hard to justify such claims, particularly with the amounts we spent on transfer fees three summers in a row 2007,2008,2009. Amounts that exceeded many of the clubs who finished above us.

More was available again this summer, on the condition that some of the players not featuring were shipped out. MON wasn't willing/able to do this, so the shitstorm in August kicked off.

There is no evidence to suggest that he was unwilling  to sell them, even Pelty says that he'd agreed to it at the start of the summer and if we were unable I'm not sure what he could have done to make it happen? It seems to me that when he then wanted to push on with signings, as the season was about to start, and was told not until we sell he decided to jack it in.
Chris its pretty obvious now how the summer went, they had the meeting with Milner in May and he and the club agreed that they would sit down after the world cup, then before Jm returned MON made a statement that Milner had indicated at he wanted to leave at the May meeting, this was news to everyone else at the meeting. So either MON was trying to push the Milner sale in the belief that he would get some money to spend or to just be vindictive. It appears that he had agreed to reduce the wage bill and either he couldnt or didnt try.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #116 on: September 19, 2010, 11:25:15 PM »
Chris its pretty obvious now how the summer went, they had the meeting with Milner in May and he and the club agreed that they would sit down after the world cup, then before Jm returned MON made a statement that Milner had indicated at he wanted to leave at the May meeting, this was news to everyone else at the meeting. So either MON was trying to push the Milner sale in the belief that he would get some money to spend or to just be vindictive. It appears that he had agreed to reduce the wage bill and either he couldnt or didnt try.

And yet before that meeting, someone ITK here mentioned he had heard Milner wanted away asap as he had fallen out with MON over playing him when injured. And deals had been made for Young and Sidwell which fell though for various reasons so I wouldn't say he didn't try, more that he couldn't because of the amount the players were on anyway.

The main issue we will have from now on is the wages will be high whoever comes in to keep parity with current staff (how much is Ireland on as MON had nothing to do with those negotiations.)

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #117 on: September 19, 2010, 11:26:54 PM »
How many players have we sold in the last four years who we'd like to have kept? Two?

How many have Arsenal sold? Or Spurs? Or even Manchester United?

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #118 on: September 19, 2010, 11:46:22 PM »
How many players have we sold in the last four years who we'd like to have kept? Two?

How many have Arsenal sold? Or Spurs? Or even Manchester United?

I'd have preferred to have held on to Nicky Shorey. Especially seeing Warnock's recent form.

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Re: A selling club.
« Reply #119 on: September 19, 2010, 11:53:52 PM »
How many players have we sold in the last four years who we'd like to have kept? Two?

How many have Arsenal sold? Or Spurs? Or even Manchester United?

IMHO

Manu= One but the money for that player was only slightly beaten as the stupidest deal ever by the Ibrahimovic deal.

Spurs = I would argue one with Berba as they had Keane back within 6 months.

Arsenal = Several but then Wenger is quite crafty and normally lets people go when he knows he can replace them. They are also the only club in the prem who seem to be in profit on their dealings.

Liverpool would be another main one that could be pointed at as well as they did not want to get rid of Alonso last year or Maschereno this.

The difference is though that the Money from most of the sales mentioned above has been used to improve the squad and bring in cheaper but as adequate replacements. Through circumstances beyond our control we couldn't and taken on top of the wage reduction and sell to buy comments from Club insiders and others, it becomes the natural reaction from outsiders whatever the allegiance of the press.

 


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