McAllister, Cowans & the new Back Room staff

[Rudy Can't Fail]

And how do you know none of those were approached?

A very good source I have here told me we approached Quieroz, although there's no solid confirmation. Quieroz did say just after he was fired by the Portuguese FA, that he'd turned down 3 offers in the last couple weeks, i.e. the same time we were looking for a manager. Make of that what you will.

[sfx412]

We've spent first few weeks looking for a new manager, and now we have one, he's having to meet the players for the first time a month into the season.

He's never going to hit the ground running and get things going his way from the off.

Yet how often do you we see managers taking a job mid season and getting an imediate reaction from the players? 

Houllier has a good squad to work with, basically the squad that finished 6th last year, so should be able to do well with us if he's any good!   

Nah he's past it, dodgy heart, was lucky to win, 3 cups at Liverpool, he's no chance of emulating Blessed O'Neill let alone being able to turn around a squad without their best player any more and no one bought to replace him, oh apart from a make weight, nearly forgot him.

   What has "bollocksed" the season, is the boards inability to appoint a manager before the end of the transfer window.

  MON left, it would/should have been an ideal opportunity to get a new manager in, with the funds from the Milner sale, to invest in better players than we currently have, and if possible, move some out.We did'nt, and for me the bigger question is why did MON go, and why did'nt we get a manager in until after the transfer window.

  Worrying times for me as a Villa fan, if we had appointed a Jol/Hiddink/Moyes/Hughes, we would have got an extra 5'000 in the last 3 home games.Thats an extra £200k per game.Short sighted thinking in my eyes.

Amazing

You missed Harry Potter off your list too

[barrysleftfoot]

  To quote Bob Paisley, KG "good players are never available, you make them available".

  In this case, it's a manager, but of those on my list.

              Hiddink.....at Turkey?............................possibly unavailable
              Moyes....................................should have been attainable.
              Hughes...................................should have been attainable.
              Jol...........................................should have been attainable.


   So, if we was serious about progression, and the above named where our targets, then one of them should have been appointed before the transfer window shut, and given some money.

[Whiney MacWhineface]

   What has "bollocksed" the season, is the boards inability to appoint a manager before the end of the transfer window.

  MON left, it would/should have been an ideal opportunity to get a new manager in, with the funds from the Milner sale, to invest in better players than we currently have, and if possible, move some out.We did'nt, and for me the bigger question is why did MON go, and why did'nt we get a manager in until after the transfer window.

  Worrying times for me as a Villa fan, if we had appointed a Jol/Hiddink/Moyes/Hughes, we would have got an extra 5'000 in the last 3 home games.Thats an extra £200k per game.Short sighted thinking in my eyes.

Blimey, we have our share of slack-jawed galoots posting here (you don't have to go far in this thread to find a prize example) but the joined-up dots of your thought processes look like something produced by a St. Vitus's Dance sufferer after their first encounter with an Etch-A-Sketch.

[dave.woodhall]

  To quote Bob Paisley, KG "good players are never available, you make them available".

  In this case, it's a manager, but of those on my list.

              Hiddink.....at Turkey?............................possibly unavailable
              Moyes....................................should have been attainable.
              Hughes...................................should have been attainable.
              Jol...........................................should have been attainable.


   So, if we was serious about progression, and the above named where our targets, then one of them should have been appointed before the transfer window shut, and given some money.

Moyes - unwilling to move at the start of the season and drop his club in it.
Jol - said he wants to see how it goes with Ajax. A successful Ajax manager will be looking at somewhere like Barecelona or Milan as his next job.
Hughes - unwilling to move after a month in a new job.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

  To quote Bob Paisley, KG "good players are never available, you make them available".

  In this case, it's a manager, but of those on my list.

              Hiddink.....at Turkey?............................possibly unavailable
              Moyes....................................should have been attainable.
              Hughes...................................should have been attainable.
              Jol...........................................should have been attainable.


   So, if we was serious about progression, and the above named where our targets, then one of them should have been appointed before the transfer window shut, and given some money.

Moyes - unwilling to move at the start of the season and drop his club in it.
Jol - said he wants to see how it goes with Ajax. A successful Ajax manager will be looking at somewhere like Barecelona or Milan as his next job.
Hughes - unwilling to move after a month in a new job.

Hiddick is on about £8m a year. It would have been extremely expensive to hire him, never mind buy out his contract.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

  To quote Bob Paisley, KG "good players are never available, you make them available".

  In this case, it's a manager, but of those on my list.

              Hiddink.....at Turkey?............................possibly unavailable
              Moyes....................................should have been attainable.
              Hughes...................................should have been attainable.
              Jol...........................................should have been attainable.


   So, if we was serious about progression, and the above named where our targets, then one of them should have been appointed before the transfer window shut, and given some money.

Moyes - unwilling to move at the start of the season and drop his club in it.
Jol - said he wants to see how it goes with Ajax. A successful Ajax manager will be looking at somewhere like Barecelona or Milan as his next job.
Hughes - unwilling to move after a month in a new job.

Bob Paisley quote - Circa 1977.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

How negative are some of you being about literally everything ? No wonder we get constant bad press. They will look on these sites and hear "why didn`t we do this and that" Ye the majority of us wanted Jol. But we got a manager who has a better record in the premiership than any other manager we have ever had. So support him. I am totally aware that we are hear to debate things but some of you live in a life of "doom" Suppose the next derogatory remark about Houllier will be "I hate that tie he was wearing" ..........

[barrysleftfoot]

  Still current now MF.

  So you are telling me then dave, that if Man Citeeeh approached Moyes/Jol/Hughes(i know unlikely), they would turn them down for the reasons you gave.......can't see it.

  If we want to be a top team, then you appoint a manager to make you a top team.The length of time it took, the actual appointment, and the revelation by MK that we approached others, indicated to me that unfortunately we are not as big a draw as we like to think we are.

  Not quite sure what your point is NL, i think the board purposely delayed an appointment, and that we will struggle because of this reason, more than the departure of MON.......simple enough?

[not3bad]

  So you are telling me then dave, that if Man Citeeeh approached Moyes/Jol/Hughes(i know unlikely), they would turn them down for the reasons you gave.......can't see it.

You're telling us we can hope to compete with Man City considering what they can offer people?  If we could we'd still have Barrry and Milner wouldn''t we?

Is it nice living up in Cloud Cuckoo Land?  The view must be great.

[PaulWinch again]

Houllier is a manager who has achieved success at other clubs that we would be delighted with if he were to replicate it at Villa.

[KevinGage]

  To quote Bob Paisley, KG "good players are never available, you make them available".

  In this case, it's a manager, but of those on my list.

              Hiddink.....at Turkey?............................possibly unavailable
              Moyes....................................should have been attainable.
              Hughes...................................should have been attainable.
              Jol...........................................should have been attainable.


   So, if we was serious about progression, and the above named where our targets, then one of them should have been appointed before the transfer window shut, and given some money.

I think I can say without giving too much away that we approached Moyes and Jol. Dunno about Hughes and Hiddink, but I'm pretty certain preliminary enquiries were made to ascertain whether they'd be interested.

Hughes has just started a new job, and even with claret-tinted specs it's perhaps too much to assume that he'd walk out on his new club after just a few weeks. We might say now -in Sept 2010- that's what he should have done and blow the consequences. But doing something like that can get you a reputation, a reputation that follows you around for years and can blacken your name.

Moyes wouldn't have walked out on Everton after so many years in charge, he just wouldn't. Not at that stage of the season - leaving them well and truly in the shit. By all accounts the board do like him though, have done for a while. And now he knows that for certain - if he didn't before. So you could say he's had his card marked and -if he decides further on down the track- that he's taken Everton as far as he can we'll be an option. But it will be done in the right way.

Jol went on record as saying "Villa will have to wait." He could have just said "Not interested. Happy here." But he's got unfinished business in Holland and the pull of Real Madrid and AC Milan in the CL was a big incentive to remain too.

Hiddink, I would love. But so would most of Europe. There is no indication that he was even interested in the job.

Short of abducting them and chaining them to the VP dugout I'm not sure what more we could have done.

I think we've handled the situation as well as we could under the circumstances, bar the uncertainty over when exactly GH would start.

[dave.woodhall]

  Still current now MF.

  So you are telling me then dave, that if Man Citeeeh approached Moyes/Jol/Hughes(i know unlikely), they would turn them down for the reasons you gave.......can't see it.

  If we want to be a top team, then you appoint a manager to make you a top team.The length of time it took, the actual appointment, and the revelation by MK that we approached others, indicated to me that unfortunately we are not as big a draw as we like to think we are.

  Not quite sure what your point is NL, i think the board purposely delayed an appointment, and that we will struggle because of this reason, more than the departure of MON.......simple enough?

Yes, they probably would turn down Manchester City. What can they offer Jol that he hasn't already got? He's said he wants to see what he can do with Ajax and if he makes a success of that much bigger jobs than Manchester City will become available. Moyes has some quaint notion called 'loyalty.' They wouldn't ask Hughes. 

Build it and they'll come is a Hollywood notion, and this is real life.

[barrysleftfoot]

   My point is, and it seems to be beyond the comprehension of some people on here, is that if you are seriously ambitious you attract as good as you can get.

   Now Mourihnio etc were never going to be available, but Jol was willing to join Fulham, Hughes must see Villa as a bigger job than Fulham, Moyes has no money at Everton, and must think that it might be time for a change.

  Now i accept that Ajax getting in the latter stages of the CL, may have swayed his decision, but don't tell me that we should'nt be able to attract Fulhams manager, or even a frustrated Evertons manager.The only way we can't turn their heads is if the ambition is'nt there at board level......which is what frightens me tbh.

   Simple enough not3bad?

[dave.woodhall]

   My point is, and it seems to be beyond the comprehension of some people on here, is that if you are seriously ambitious you attract as good as you can get.

   Now Mourihnio etc were never going to be available, but Jol was willing to join Fulham, Hughes must see Villa as a bigger job than Fulham, Moyes has no money at Everton, and must think that it might be time for a change.

  Now i accept that Ajax getting in the latter stages of the CL, may have swayed his decision, but don't tell me that we should'nt be able to attract Fulhams manager, or even a frustrated Evertons manager.The only way we can't turn their heads is if the ambition is'nt there at board level......which is what frightens me tbh.

   Simple enough not3bad?

I'm sorry that your flawless logic is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals such as I, but Jol didn't join Fulham, Hughes had only been in his job a few weeks and your superior intellect must also make you privvy to the inner workings of Moyes' mind because from when I'm sitting he was approached and declined.