The legacy of Martin O'Neill

[Chris Smith]

Redknapp improved one place on Jol's last two full seasons even by internet hyperbole standards to class that as working wonders is pushing it.

Ignoring the fact that of course he didn't take over when they were in 4th, that one all important place could completely transform their club.

He took over largely the same group of players though.

And O'Neill took over a group of players who had also finished 6th, so by your argument, to do the same as O'Leary means he must have been fucking dreadful.

No, he didn't.

Angel, Barry, Delaney, Hendrie, McCann, Mellberg, Moore, Ridgewell, Samuel, Sorensen and Whittingham were all still at the club when O'Neill took over.  All were at the club in O'Leary's 6th placed season.

And how many of them played any significant part?

[hilts_coolerking]

However you try to dress it up it isn't "working wonders" to finish 4th with the squad of players he has to choose from.

It certainly is, particularly if your idea of a good job is finishing no higher than 6th after spending £120M.

[Chris Smith]

However you try to dress it up it isn't "working wonders" to finish 4th with the squad of players he has to choose from.

It certainly is, particularly if your idea of a good job is finishing no higher than 6th after spending £120M.

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

[Risso]

However you try to dress it up it isn't "working wonders" to finish 4th with the squad of players he has to choose from.

It certainly is, particularly if your idea of a good job is finishing no higher than 6th after spending £120M.

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

You don't seem to understand the concept of net spend.  Yes their squad cost more, but then they've also had an awful lot of high profile sales as well.

[hilts_coolerking]

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

We can argue about the term to use but whichever way you cut it Redknapp's done a better job in a shorter time than O'Neill, a man you rate so highly.  And, to bring this full circle, it's mystifying that you have such high regard for a man who achieved so little at such expense at Villa, and have so little regard for someone who has done better than that at Spurs.

[Chris Smith]

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

We can argue about the term to use but whichever way you cut it Redknapp's done a better job in a shorter time than O'Neill, a man you rate so highly.  And, to bring this full circle, it's mystifying that you have such high regard for a man who achieved so little at such expense at Villa, and have so little regard for someone who has done better than that at Spurs.

As I said "both managers did a pretty good job, neither worked wonders" Redkapp just had more expensive players to work with. The proof of how good is what happens from now, but saying he has worked wonders makes it sound as though he's got a 4th place finish with Crewe.

[ronshirt]

However you try to dress it up it isn't "working wonders" to finish 4th with the squad of players he has to choose from.

It certainly is, particularly if your idea of a good job is finishing no higher than 6th after spending £120M.

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

You don't seem to understand the concept of net spend.  Yes their squad cost more, but then they've also had an awful lot of high profile sales as well.

How far back do we take the net spend to make any comparison worthwhile?

I did a back of the envelope working of Mon's ins and outs and came up with about £60m. Does that sound about right?

[Shrek]

Saying Redknapp has not done wonders is silly.

What are we all doing Tuesday night? Because Harry Redknapp is in Germany playing Champions League football.

We are faffing around without a manager loosing our beat players.

[Somniloquism]

Saying Redknapp has not done wonders is silly.

What are we all doing Tuesday night? Because Harry Redknapp is in Germany playing Champions League football.

We are faffing around without a manager loosing our beat players.

So who plays bass?

[citizenDJ]

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

We can argue about the term to use but whichever way you cut it Redknapp's done a better job in a shorter time than O'Neill, a man you rate so highly.  And, to bring this full circle, it's mystifying that you have such high regard for a man who achieved so little at such expense at Villa, and have so little regard for someone who has done better than that at Spurs.

As I said "both managers did a pretty good job, neither worked wonders" Redkapp just had more expensive players to work with. The proof of how good is what happens from now, but saying he has worked wonders makes it sound as though he's got a 4th place finish with Crewe.

So who did better? Redknapp, or O'Neill?

[barrysleftfoot]

  Is this a MON vs Redknapp debate then?


  MON has now left, i thought he done a reasonable job, i think HR has done a good job at Spuds, both teams are about the same if you ask me, MON walked into a Villa job in a far worse position than the job HR walked into imho, for every Davies there is a Hutton, for every NRC a Bentley.I just don't see the point of banging on about MON now.

 I do like HR though, but can't stand Spuds.

[TheSandman]

  Is this a MON vs Redknapp debate then?


  MON has now left, i thought he done a reasonable job, i think HR has done a good job at Spuds, both teams are about the same if you ask me, MON walked into a Villa job in a far worse position than the job HR walked into imho, for every Davies there is a Hutton, for every NRC a Bentley.I just don't see the point of banging on about MON now.

 I do like HR though, but can't stand Spuds.

Hutton and Bentley were signed by Juande Ramos not 'Appy 'Arry.

[pauliewalnuts]

  Is this a MON vs Redknapp debate then?


  MON has now left, i thought he done a reasonable job, i think HR has done a good job at Spuds, both teams are about the same if you ask me, MON walked into a Villa job in a far worse position than the job HR walked into imho, for every Davies there is a Hutton, for every NRC a Bentley.I just don't see the point of banging on about MON now.

 I do like HR though, but can't stand Spuds.

BLF, if you can't see the point of banging on about MON, fair enough, but the thread is about MON's legacy. It's not like there is no warning ;-)

Anyway, you're interrupting Chris having an absolute nightmare here.

I imagine he's stood in front of a chart covered with squiggles and diagrams right now, trying to work out how he's going to extricate himself from this particular corner he's backed himself into.

[Shrek]

Yeah and for every heskey there is a Defoe

[Risso]

As Ron has pointed out he's got a squad that cost almost twice as much as ours. He's done well, if he wins something then he'll have done very well but it still won't be working wonders.

We can argue about the term to use but whichever way you cut it Redknapp's done a better job in a shorter time than O'Neill, a man you rate so highly.  And, to bring this full circle, it's mystifying that you have such high regard for a man who achieved so little at such expense at Villa, and have so little regard for someone who has done better than that at Spurs.

As I said "both managers did a pretty good job, neither worked wonders" Redkapp just had more expensive players to work with. The proof of how good is what happens from now, but saying he has worked wonders makes it sound as though he's got a 4th place finish with Crewe.

You seem to think that it was a straight fight between us and Spurs for 4th.  You say Redknapp hasn't done a great job because he's spent more than us.  Well surely the fact that he's spent way less than Liverpool and Man City shows that he has.