The legacy of Martin O'Neill

[Rip Van We Go Again]

  Who are you going to constantly whinge about now MON has gone?


  Hes gone, time to move on.

What's it got to do with you?
I'll type whatever I feel like.
So tough.

[Chris Smith]

The mighty Spurs hot on the heels of losing at home to Wigan are currently drawing with the Baggies. What a club, what a manager.

He's a better manager than O'Neill.

He's all mouth.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

The mighty Spurs hot on the heels of losing at home to Wigan are currently drawing with the Baggies. What a club, what a manager.

He's a better manager than O'Neill.

He's all mouth.

Could have done with a mouth like that, would have got us 4th spot.
He did it for them after they were staring at relegation.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Our new manager seems quite impressed with the squad he has inherited.

Just a shame our previous manager was so limited given such talent.

[hilts_coolerking]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

[Rip Van We Go Again]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

Well said Hilts.

[TheSandman]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

Absolutely.

I still hate him and his club mind.

[KevinGage]

Aye.

It is a curious parallel universe whereby a manager who spent millions and delivered nowt is held in higher regard than a guy whose side will be playing Werder Bremen in the CL this week.

Particularly when the latter had less time in the job, a lower wage bill and roughly the same finances available.

[Risso]

Our new manager seems quite impressed with the squad he has inherited.

Just a shame our previous manager was so limited given such talent.

Let's see how many games Davies, NRC and Sidwell get shall we Chris?

[Chris Smith]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

You have deliberately misinterpreted the argument. 

He hasn't worked wonders, he's just returned them to the level they were before they foolishly sacked Martin Jol.
Spurs have spent far more money than us to get to where they are. Unless we match that level of spending then we're going to find it difficult to compete. Not impossible but difficult. Hopefully the new manager will be able to match the old one in keeping us in contention with more expensively assembled squads.

[Risso]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

You have deliberately misinterpreted the argument.

He hasn't worked wonders, he's just returned them to the level they were before they foolishly sacked Martin Jol.
Spurs have spent far more money than us to get to where they are. Unless we match that level of spending then we're going to find it difficult to compete. Not impossible but difficult. Hopefully the new manager will be able to match the old one in keeping us in contention with more expensively assembled squads.

They've also received a lot more from player sales as well.  Over the last four years our net spends have very similar, and of course our wage bill is higher.  The fact is that O'Neill had a 50:50 transfer record, for every good signing there was a dud.  Redknapp has a much higher success rate in picking and getting the best out of good players.  He's also rather obviously got them to a level higher than Jol, seeing as they're now in the Champions League.

[TheSandman]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

You have deliberately misinterpreted the argument.

He hasn't worked wonders, he's just returned them to the level they were before they foolishly sacked Martin Jol.
Spurs have spent far more money than us to get to where they are. Unless we match that level of spending then we're going to find it difficult to compete. Not impossible but difficult. Hopefully the new manager will be able to match the old one in keeping us in contention with more expensively assembled squads.

They've also received a lot more from player sales as well.  Over the last four years our net spends have very similar, and of course our wage bill is higher.  The fact is that O'Neill had a 50:50 transfer record, for every good signing there was a dud.  Redknapp has a much higher success rate in picking and getting the best out of good players.

And also getting rid of non-performing, unneeded players. He signed Chimbonda but sold him quickly when he realised that he didn't fancy him. Compare this to the travails we have faced over Harewood, Reo Coker and Davies to name but three who never really played but who also never were sold.

[Chris Smith]

It's mystifying that there are some who continue to defend O'Neill's record while at the same time decrying Redknapp's work at Spurs. O'Neill had a decent record with us but Redknapp has worked wonders at Spurs in the short time he has been there. And even then, some dismiss that on the grounds that Spurs have spent a lot of money on building a very good squad, as if spending money wisely is somehow cheating .

You have deliberately misinterpreted the argument.

He hasn't worked wonders, he's just returned them to the level they were before they foolishly sacked Martin Jol.
Spurs have spent far more money than us to get to where they are. Unless we match that level of spending then we're going to find it difficult to compete. Not impossible but difficult. Hopefully the new manager will be able to match the old one in keeping us in contention with more expensively assembled squads.

They've also received a lot more from player sales as well.  Over the last four years our net spends have very similar, and of course our wage bill is higher.  The fact is that O'Neill had a 50:50 transfer record, for every good signing there was a dud.  Redknapp has a much higher success rate in picking and getting the best out of good players.  He's also rather obviously got them to a level higher than Jol, seeing as they're now in the Champions League.

The timescale is irrelevant, the squad of players at Spurs cost far more than ours.

Redknapp improved one place on Jol's last two full seasons even by internet hyperbole standards to class that as working wonders is pushing it.

[hilts_coolerking]

He hasn't worked wonders, he's just returned them to the level they were before they foolishly sacked Martin Jol.

Rubbish, he's got them into the Champions League, which is precisely what he was brought there to do. Martin O'Neill wasn't brought to Villa and given plenty of money to spend in order to get us to 6th and no higher.

They've spent a lot, we've spent a lot. They've spent it better than us, they've used their squad better than us, they're in the Champions League, we're already out of the UEFA. And yet there you, still trying to argue that black is white.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's quite bizarre to see people using against Redknapp the fact that Spurs (Champions League group phase qualified Spurs) "only" drew  at a newly promoted club when we (booted out of the Europa League at the first stage by the same club as last year) got beaten 6-0 at a newly promoted club.

The same newly promoted club who today lost 2-0 to the weakest of the newly promoted clubs.

It's also interesting to see the decrying of "only" improving on Jol's performance by one place as not a signficant achievement, especially when you consider that that one place was the one they needed to qualify for the Champions League.

Oh, and it is extra amusing when it is done by the same people who until recently were pointing at our own year on year improvement of two points whilst remaining in the same final position as a real achievement.