Curtis Davies

[Mister E]

Curtis D might - just might - play well alongside Cuellar or Clark; he's obvioulsy got some talent and shouldn't be discarded without further P'ship exposure.

[Toronto Villa]

Curtis Davies had a massive chance to ressurect his Villa career when MON bailed. He played like shit, just as he had for most of MOn's time at Villa. To even consider him again is ridiculous. He along with a number of other players like Sidwell, Salifou and coming up on the rails Carew and Warnockare are yesterday's Villa.

[MoetVillan]

I dont see Warnock as yesterdays Villa.  Good player, and for me, higher up the rankings than Luke Young.  At least he tries to defend.  Sidwell looked a much better player in his recent spell.  He needs games, but I cant see him getting past Clark now

[Holtenderinthesky]

I haven't forgiven Davies for inexplicably kicking the ball over our own bar against Vienna at VP.  He could have kicked it anywhere but decided to take a shot at Guzan for no apparent reason.  They scored the goal from the resulting corner that put us out of Europe.  He is a massive liabilty.

[pauliewalnuts]

I dont see Warnock as yesterdays Villa.  Good player, and for me, higher up the rankings than Luke Young.

I can't agree with that.

I thought Warnock looked excellent when we first bought him, but the second half of last season, and all of this season so far, he has been an absolute liability.

Diving in on Diouf on half time at Ewood was an act of stupid petulance which cost us. Sloppy and unprofessional.

Luke Young had a stinker on Saturday. Warnock has had a series of stinkers lasting the best part of one whole season.

[WarszaVillan]

why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me

Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?

What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.

Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.

They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?   

They're getting a wee bit of stick on the internet - I'm sure they can handle that. There is a feeling among some I think that the bright future claims are turning into more of the same. We've been close - but again falling short and now we've gone backwards. What happens now will be their test.

[dave.woodhall]

But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.

[Lowendbehold]

But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.

Agreed.  Most other club's fans would give their right arm to have an owner like Randy.  How the hell can he be blamed for the current situation?  There is only one single person to blame for where we are in the league, O'Neill.  To walk out when he did was unforgiveable.

[pauliewalnuts]

But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.

Agreed.  Most other club's fans would give their right arm to have an owner like Randy.  How the hell can he be blamed for the current situation?  There is only one single person to blame for where we are in the league, O'Neill.  To walk out when he did was unforgiveable.

Absolutely.

And the way some people on here have turned on the board is, quite frankly, fucking embarassing.

[brontebilly]

why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me

Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?

What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.

Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.

They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?   

insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!

The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.

Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager

The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.

Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed

How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?

[pauliewalnuts]

The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for?

Then ...

How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?

I can't work out what you're saying.

First you're criticising them for giving the manager too much to spend, then a few lines later, you're moaning about the lack of money to spend.

If the board had said no to some of the players MON wanted and their salaries, I've no doubt you'd be moaning about that, but now you're moaning that the board are to blame for paying big salaries.

And ...

insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!

Well, insulted might include you and your pathetic "Mr Krulak" arsey student routine the other day.

[dave.woodhall]

I'd say calling them liars is insulting and abusing. Every one of your questions has been answered, and if you don't agree with the answer whose fault is that?

[TheSandman]

insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!

The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.

Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager

The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.

Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed

How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?

1. Not really: Some of the criticism on his thread on here and to an even greater extent VT is a bit much.

2. i) Is it really that we cannot afford it? Or is it not evidence against your sixth point.

ii)To an extent yes they did make a mistake in giving MoN too much power though so I will cede that they made A mistake.

3. Deal was finalised before the manager left.

4. What doesn't make sense? A poor player has been shipped out on loan because he never met his potential. What doesn't make sense is that he wasn't potted sooner.

5. I will cede that they took too much time to do this. So there a second relatively minor mistake.

6. From what I've heard GHou won't be searching down the back of the couch over New Year.

It's like getting married to beautiful girl, with big tits and wealthy parents. She gives you one twice per day and cooks all your meals in a luxury house that she bought and then moaning because you don't like the colour of the nail polish she is wearing one morning and the fact that she forgot to butter your toast. Then using this to moan that because of these things she is going to stop shagging you and the bailiffs are going to repossess the house.

Some of the bizarre conspiracy theories floating around here would have Mulder and Scully shaking their heads in disbelief.

[Lowendbehold]

why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me

Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?

What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.

Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.

They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?   

insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!

The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.

Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager

The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.

Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed

How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?

The Board relied on the judgement of the manager.  If the players had performed and we had got into a CL place..... it would not have been 85% for very long.

Clearly they relied on MON's judgement on Ireland before he left.  To be fair most pundits thought it was good business and we needed a midfielder in.  I suspect they took advice on him, perhaps from the temp manager?

The Curtis Davies situation makes perfect sense.  He hasn't had any game time since he returned from his shoulder injury.  If he has a clause in his contract that awards him a big rise after so many PL games, loan him out and let the new manager assess him.

Houllier was brought in as quickly as he could be.  Even if he had come in much earlier he still wouldn't have had an opportunity to assess what he had and what he needed before the end of the window.

Who says money is tight at all?

[Toronto Villa]

For years people criticised Ellis for meddling in team affairs. Then a board comes in with all good intention and supports and trusts a manager with a proven track record, and now some people use that as a stick to beat them with. Unbelieveable. I'm just glad the likes of brontebilly are part the mindless minority.