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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on August 22, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
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Where was he today?
As he played against Vienna, I'd be surprised if his omission was anything to do with fitness. If we've decided to play a youth team player like Clark who was carrying a knock, instead of Davies just to save a few quid, then something is very wrong at the club.
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Yeah good point, also he couldn't have done any worse today then our two centre halves.
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Think it was due to the fact if he plays one more game he gets an improved contract
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Well I hope that's not true or it would be very worrying.
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Yes i read a report last week somewhere about triggering a better contract or more payments to previous clubs. Just checked wiki and he has played 49 games now inc loan spell, so the 50th game, his next will trigger a few things i think
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I think it is true. The contract situation was explained by his agent after his op for his shoulder last year (60 games = big pay rise). As he doesn't look like becoming the real deal, I don't blame the club for their reluctance.
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I've never understood why Davies doesn't get played much... before he got injured 18 months ago he was a monster in defence alongside Laursen. I really rate Davies and he does deserve another chance, if we sold him it'd be another player (in my opinion) that we'd wrongly let slip out the backdoor without much thought. Besides, I've never understood why some Villa fans feel so negative about him... ofcourse they'll blame him for one of ''O'Neill's buys''.
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Well we should play him or sell him, simple
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He is for sale Des it's just that no-one wants him
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This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.
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This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.
With all due respect, you have completely and utterly lost your marbles
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This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.
Exactly. I'd be disgusted and shocked Randy Lerner could be such a sneaky rat if that is the reason Davies did not play today. There's too many rumours and speculation at the moment surrounding our club, but this would make extremely angry and it's about time the board come clean instead of leaving the faithful fans in limbo. What was it again about Randy staying out of the limelight and letting the manager (or caretaker in this case) get on his job how he wanted to? Hmmm.
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This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.
Er... the only question should be what the fuck are you talking about?
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
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KM decided to play both Clarke and Albrighton, even though they'd played several games in quick succession, and admitted his error.
I don't think Davies, or Collins and Cuellar would have made much difference when all around them were allowing players to run by without challenging.
Main error was to set the team up to attack without a goalscorer, and when you don't get a 2 goal lead you deserve maintain the same formation until you are 5-0 down.
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There's too many rumours and speculation at the moment surrounding our club,
What was it again about Randy staying out of the limelight and letting the manager (or caretaker in this case) get on his job how he wanted to? Hmmm.
Hmmm... do you see the problem here?
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KM decided to play both Clarke and Albrighton, even though they'd played several games in quick succession, and admitted his error.
I don't think Davies, or Collins and Cuellar would have made much difference when all around them were allowing players to run by without challenging.
Main error was to set the team up to attack without a goalscorer, and when you don't get a 2 goal lead you deserve maintain the same formation until you are 5-0 down.
And those are all reasons why KM is an excellent coach, but - as yet - not a manager.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
Why /
Because I care about my club ?
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It's been a horrendous day, but let's all calm down and stop taking it out on each other, shall we?
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Fair enough.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
I seem to remember somthing similar happening with Mustapha Hadji a few seasons ago. That was the rumour anyway.
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There's too many rumours and speculation at the moment surrounding our club,
What was it again about Randy staying out of the limelight and letting the manager (or caretaker in this case) get on his job how he wanted to? Hmmm.
Hmmm... do you see the problem here?
Erm... I think you have just taken two quotes out of context there.
I want Lerner to come clean about current situations i.e new manager etc... but at the same time I don't think he should be interfering and thinking it's his job to pick the team.
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Well we should play him or sell him, simple
I never thought I'd say this but couldn't we offer him to Spurs as part of a deal for Keane?
Edit: Nah, forget it, knee jerk reaction to having no fucking striker on the pitch today. We really do miss Gabby.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
I agree with you Oscar, don't listen to them. Davies has been stuck on 49 games for far too long now. Something is clearly not quite right.
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
Christ was it really that much? I must have blocked that out.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
I agree with you Oscar, don't listen to them. Davies has been stuck on 49 games for far too long now. Something is clearly not quite right.
He started a game on Thursday, so I don't see how he's been stuck on 49 games for very long.
Am I missing something (genuine question)?
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
Christ was it really that much? I must have blocked that out.
I seem to remember it was £8m.
Still more than we should have paid considering what we got.
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
Christ was it really that much? I must have blocked that out.
I seem to remember it was £8m.
Still more than we should have paid considering what we got.
May have been 8, then, but as you say, 8 or 9.5 isn't the main issue, we should have got a lot more for 8m
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He didn't get picked because he is crap. No conspiracy.
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Lets be honest, he's shit. He wouldn't have mad a blind bit of difference today.
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
Christ was it really that much? I must have blocked that out.
I seem to remember it was £8m.
Still more than we should have paid considering what we got.
May have been 8, then, but as you say, 8 or 9.5 isn't the main issue, we should have got a lot more for 8m
I thought it was £8million transfer fee, but we paid £2million to loan him for the season before hand too?
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Lets be honest, he's shit. He wouldn't have mad a blind bit of difference today.
Is the correct answer.
Our midfield, being soft as shite, allowed for some awful pressure to be put on the defence. I thought Clark was ok for most of the first half. It was Dunne that was largely shit. With Davies in there, I'd say we could well have been 5-0 down at half time.
He. Is. Useless.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
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He lets the fucking ball bounce. That's one reason why he is shit.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
- He is unbelievably clumsy and ungainly with the ball.
- He gets beaten in the air very easily.
- He gets sucked out of position.
- He drops a ricket in the majority of games
I could go on.
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I wonder whether the main question with Curtis isn't if he's not being played to save money, but why we spent 9.5m on him in the first place.
At various times I've thought "yes, I can see something in him, there's a good player there", but far more frequently I've found myself thinking that he got it spot on himself, and he really is a pub player.
Christ was it really that much? I must have blocked that out.
I seem to remember it was £8m.
Still more than we should have paid considering what we got.
May have been 8, then, but as you say, 8 or 9.5 isn't the main issue, we should have got a lot more for 8m
I thought it was £8million transfer fee, but we paid £2million to loan him for the season before hand too?
That was included in the overall £8m fee.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
- He is unbelievably clumsy and ungainly with the ball.
- He gets beaten in the air very easily.
- He gets sucked out of position.
- He drops a ricket in the majority of games
I could go on.
It annoys me when people make up things saying how bad a player is only because they don't like him.
1. Davies on the ball is great... I have no idea what you're saying here.
2. Last time he played for us (Vienna away) he was heading everything and covering a lot for Clark's mistakes.
3. What defender doesn't get sucked out of position from time-to-time? You see it every week whether it be Terry or Bramble.
4. I can't remember his last 'ricket'. I can name more 'rickets' Dunne has dropped... significant 'rickets' too. CC Final anyone?
Point is, Davies has been in and out with injuries... when he is healthy and playing again, you'll see the best of him just like when he had a formidable partnership with Laursen. Funny how no-one called him 'shit' then...
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You got me. I've developed an irrational dislike of Curtis Davies despite never having met him and finding him to be fairly erudite and intelligent for a modern footballer when he's interviewed. I hate him so much it overrides his clear ability to make a bad panicked clearance whenever I'm in need of something to curse.
He played next to Beye, not Clark in Vienna too.
EDIT: I would like to point out also that I thought he had great potential whilst next to Laursen and really thought he was going to be great for us.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
I agree with you Oscar, don't listen to them. Davies has been stuck on 49 games for far too long now. Something is clearly not quite right.
He started a game on Thursday, so I don't see how he's been stuck on 49 games for very long.
Am I missing something (genuine question)?
new contract/wba fee top up after 50 LEAGUE games, most basic stipulations are the same
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
- He is unbelievably clumsy and ungainly with the ball.
- He gets beaten in the air very easily.
- He gets sucked out of position.
- He drops a ricket in the majority of games
I could go on.
It annoys me when people make up things saying how bad a player is only because they don't like him.
1. Davies on the ball is great... I have no idea what you're saying here.
2. Last time he played for us (Vienna away) he was heading everything and covering a lot for Clark's mistakes.
3. What defender doesn't get sucked out of position from time-to-time? You see it every week whether it be Terry or Bramble.
4. I can't remember his last 'ricket'. I can name more 'rickets' Dunne has dropped... significant 'rickets' too. CC Final anyone?
Point is, Davies has been in and out with injuries... when he is healthy and playing again, you'll see the best of him just like when he had a formidable partnership with Laursen. Funny how no-one called him 'shit' then...
1. he can't pass
2. failed to challenge for the cross that resulted in the Vienna goal
3. Fair point; the good ones manage to prevent it resulting in goals being scored. The comparison to Bramble is fair though
4. Last ricket see point two.
He's had a "fair crack of the whip" and been found wanting. That's why he doesnt get a game...
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He also looks scared shitless every time he finds himself in possession, which doesn't engender confidence.
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There's a potential international in there somewhere. Unfortunately his pub player comment will always come back to haunt him.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.
I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.
I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.
Pack it in, both of you.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.
I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.
Pack it in, both of you.
Hold on a minute Dave. There was no need for him to go to the better fan card or "you don't know what you're talking about because you don't live here" line. And you know very well that he did. Say or do what you want, but I'm going to take exception to that every time.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
When a player admits he's little better than a pub player when he's having a bad day, what other evidence do you need exactly?
I could handle it if he was, for 3 out of 4 games, an 8/10 player and then maybe a 6/10 for the 4th game.
But he's not. He's a 6/10 on a good day and a 3/10 on a bad day.
Sorry, but I'll take Clark every day of the week and twice on a Sunday over Davies. As Dave says, there's a top player in there somewhere but I don't think even Davies himself knows how to bring it out.
Clark didn't look brilliant against Newcastle due to:
(a) Dunne having a nightmare
(b) the full-backs having a nightmare
(c) the midfield being a open door
(d) Newcastle's forward line having one of those days when everything goes right.
A young lad with lots of promise but little first team experience can't be blamed for this and certainly shouldn't be dropped in favour of a bloke who may or may not perform as bad as a Sunday League clogger.
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Jesus, didn't realise the common consensus was that Davies is a waste of space. Before his shoulder gave way half-way through 08/09 he was in decent form with Laursen beside him. He's not as good as at least 3 other central-defenders but he is younger than them. I'd put Sidwell and Heskey ahead of him in the queue to get rid of.
Incidentially I think his transfer fee was either £8m or £8.5m added to the £1m ''loan fee'' we paid for his first season here.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
When a player admits he's little better than a pub player when he's having a bad day, what other evidence do you need exactly?
I could handle it if he was, for 3 out of 4 games, an 8/10 player and then maybe a 6/10 for the 4th game.
But he's not. He's a 6/10 on a good day and a 3/10 on a bad day.
Sorry, but I'll take Clark every day of the week and twice on a Sunday over Davies. As Dave says, there's a top player in there somewhere but I don't think even Davies himself knows how to bring it out.
Clark didn't look brilliant against Newcastle due to:
(a) Dunne having a nightmare
(b) the full-backs having a nightmare
(c) the midfield being a open door
(d) Newcastle's forward line having one of those days when everything goes right.
A young lad with lots of promise but little first team experience can't be blamed for this and certainly shouldn't be dropped in favour of a bloke who may or may not perform as bad as a Sunday League clogger.
Do you think Davies's performance at Anfield up against Torres last season was only a 6/10?
Davies has been incredibly unlucky with injuries since he's been here, especially at the start of last season when it looked as though he was going to fulfill his potential,
I agree that we shouldn't overreact with one poor Clark perfomance (although it was worrying how Carroll was bullying him).
I think what we can all agree on is that we need BOTH Cuellar and Collins back sharpish.
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There's too many rumours and speculation at the moment surrounding our club,
What was it again about Randy staying out of the limelight and letting the manager (or caretaker in this case) get on his job how he wanted to? Hmmm.
Hmmm... do you see the problem here?
Erm... I think you have just taken two quotes out of context there.
I want Lerner to come clean about current situations i.e new manager etc... but at the same time I don't think he should be interfering and thinking it's his job to pick the team.
You don't see the problem then.
Also, it's impossible for me to have taken those quotes out of context when they were written by you at the same time, in the same paragraph, about the same subject. I separated them for clarity, but it seems it still wasn't clear enough.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
When a player admits he's little better than a pub player when he's having a bad day, what other evidence do you need exactly?
I could handle it if he was, for 3 out of 4 games, an 8/10 player and then maybe a 6/10 for the 4th game.
But he's not. He's a 6/10 on a good day and a 3/10 on a bad day.
Sorry, but I'll take Clark every day of the week and twice on a Sunday over Davies. As Dave says, there's a top player in there somewhere but I don't think even Davies himself knows how to bring it out.
Clark didn't look brilliant against Newcastle due to:
(a) Dunne having a nightmare
(b) the full-backs having a nightmare
(c) the midfield being a open door
(d) Newcastle's forward line having one of those days when everything goes right.
A young lad with lots of promise but little first team experience can't be blamed for this and certainly shouldn't be dropped in favour of a bloke who may or may not perform as bad as a Sunday League clogger.
I don't want to be over-critical of a young kid trying to make his way in the game but for a centre half Clark need to win a lot more defensive headers than he does. Both Cole and Carroll have won virtually everything against him in the last two games.
As for Davies, there is a decent centre half in there but he needs games and a leader alongside him. He should have played yesterday.
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If Davies played yesterday and the result was the same then I bet he'd have got the whole blame ;)
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I don't think Davies is a good player at all, but Clark wasn't fully fit as MacGregor has acknowledged. Therefore, picking an inexperienced, unfit youth player over a fit first team player because of a contractual matter is absolute madness, and really a bit disturbing.
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The Situation is correct. People have very short memories. Davies was excellent and playing with confidence and class when he first joined us and was playing alongside Laursen. Then a few things happened that changed all that.
First he had a couple of bad injuries, including the shoulder injury which he gallantly played on with to help out O'Neill who had few other options at CB at the time because meanwhile Laursen was crocked and Mellberg left. He was paired with various other CBs such as Cuellar. In addition, according to Davies himself, O'Neill told him to stop trying to play football and "row Z it". This is not his natural game. Not to mention the club dicking him around over his contract. Is it any great surprise that, carrying an injury, not playing his natural game, little backing from his manager and no a reliable partner, his form dipped? When given a chance at the start of last season he was excellent at Anfield. Then promptly sidelined when we sigend Dunne and Collins. Anyone who thinks he has been given a fair crack of the whip since his shoulder injury is in cloud cuckoo land. And because he was honest enough to admit when he had a stinker, people use it as a stick to beat him with. Shameful treatment of a player who has done his best for us in adversity.
I do suspect he isn't being picked because of the contract issue, maybe Lerner wants to see if any new manager rates him before committing further funds. If so it smacks of Eliis type behaviour.
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If this is the reason why Davies isn't playing, then if the lad has anything about him at all, he'd go in to see the boss and say, "You know, I've not really performed consistently here since you paid all that money for me, you know. And, you know, I want to play for this club, and I'm clearly not worth this extra pay rise, so let's, you know, waive this pay rise, and shift it to 75 appearances or something, you know."
But obviously being another greedy, arrogant professional footballer, he clearly won't do this. But how much would he go up in all our estimation if he did so.
I actually think that Davies is a decent centre-half. Anybody who has played centre-half to any sort of decent level will know the importance of a balance between a left sided centre-half and a right sided one.
It is completely different playing on the left side and right side. Starting positions are different, a left sided player is used to looking mainly to his right and having his left back and touchline in his peripheral vision, and a right sided one vice versa. Clark and Dunne are both left sided defenders, and it showed yesterday when they challenged for the same ball on more than occasion, which showed how uncomfortable Dunne was on the right side.
Davies is a right side centre-half, but has had to play a lot of games for us as a left sided defender, I don't think it's a coincidence that his best games for Villa have come when he's played on the right alongside Laursen (a left sided centre-half).
This could of course be a load of tosh, and an excuse for playing shit, but it's something I and a great many people that I've worked with in the Non League game pay a great deal of credence to.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.
I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.
Pack it in, both of you.
Hold on a minute Dave. There was no need for him to go to the better fan card or "you don't know what you're talking about because you don't live here" line. And you know very well that he did. Say or do what you want, but I'm going to take exception to that every time.
What the hell are you talking about you muppet ?
I was talking about the inference that Curtis Davies was'nt playing because somebody on this thread suggested he was on 49 games and we were due to pay Albion money on his 50th appearance.
If Randy Lerner has decided that it's a disgrace...in my opinion.
If Doug Ellis told managers who to pick in the team we'd rightly be calling for his head.
If that's the case and we are'nt playing him for that reason it's a disgrace and I stand by that.
I did'nt say I wanted Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle, you know that.
You said I'd lost my marbles and I was a disgrace but I have my opinion.
I'm so sick of football at the moment it's all about money and I've supported the Villa for over 45 years, I know that matters for nothing these days as you rightly say you can watch all the games on Sky and the internet, but I have to sit and watch it without the option of the off button.
I did'nt say that made me a better Villa fan than you.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
- He is unbelievably clumsy and ungainly with the ball.
- He gets beaten in the air very easily.
- He gets sucked out of position.
- He drops a ricket in the majority of games
I could go on.
It annoys me when people make up things saying how bad a player is only because they don't like him.
1. Davies on the ball is great... I have no idea what you're saying here.
2. Last time he played for us (Vienna away) he was heading everything and covering a lot for Clark's mistakes.
3. What defender doesn't get sucked out of position from time-to-time? You see it every week whether it be Terry or Bramble.
4. I can't remember his last 'ricket'. I can name more 'rickets' Dunne has dropped... significant 'rickets' too. CC Final anyone?
Point is, Davies has been in and out with injuries... when he is healthy and playing again, you'll see the best of him just like when he had a formidable partnership with Laursen. Funny how no-one called him 'shit' then...
I'm sorry, but he is shit.
Steve Sims was more comfortable in possession.
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Davies had an x-ray after the Vienna game. Maybe he wasn't at Newcastle because he was injured.
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It's actually 60 games before Davies' contract can be re-negotiated
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There's a potential international in there somewhere. Unfortunately his pub player comment will always come back to haunt him.
He only ever looked like an International with Laursen at his side. Otherwise, he had to have the likes of Zat Knight hold him together.
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
You're a disgrace.
I agree with you Oscar, don't listen to them. Davies has been stuck on 49 games for far too long now. Something is clearly not quite right.
He started a game on Thursday, so I don't see how he's been stuck on 49 games for very long.
Am I missing something (genuine question)?
Yes you are, he has been stuck on 49 league games for some time now.
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I don't think Davies is actually that bad. Although if you are all right and I just can't see a footballer for looking, then thats yet another fuck up by our ex manager. Add another £8m to the pile........
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With all due respect what the fuck do you know from Toronto Canada ? I have seen some shite over the last 45 years but i have'nt seen chairmen pick teams to save money and here in Birmingham, England i am really hurting right now so if it's correct as some are implying that Lerner has told the manager not to pick Curtis Davies, clearly a better player for today's situation that Clark, it's a disgrace.
Oh right. This is the bit where you tell me you're a better fan because I don't live in the UK. That I can't possibly know what the fuck I'm talking about because I'm just some Johnny foreigner living miles away. That only those like you who go to the games or live in Birmingham can make valid points.
I'm not going to waste energy correcting you, but I think you'll find you are very much wide of the mark on a number of assumptions you have made about me and others who no longer live at home. Plus, in the 21st century I see everything you see via TV/Internet etc. The only exception being I cannot physically go to games, but I really haven't missed many in a few years. And I stand by my point that you've lost your marbles if you really want Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle. Because I don't recall you posting anything similar after we'd beaten West Ham last week. In fact I dare say you were one of the 36,000 singing "One Randy Lerner" at Villa Park. Go on, admit it, because I was all the way from Toronto, Canada.
Pack it in, both of you.
Hold on a minute Dave. There was no need for him to go to the better fan card or "you don't know what you're talking about because you don't live here" line. And you know very well that he did. Say or do what you want, but I'm going to take exception to that every time.
What the hell are you talking about you muppet ?
I was talking about the inference that Curtis Davies was'nt playing because somebody on this thread suggested he was on 49 games and we were due to pay Albion money on his 50th appearance.
If Randy Lerner has decided that it's a disgrace...in my opinion.
If Doug Ellis told managers who to pick in the team we'd rightly be calling for his head.
If that's the case and we are'nt playing him for that reason it's a disgrace and I stand by that.
I did'nt say I wanted Randy Lerner out because we lost to Newcastle, you know that.
You said I'd lost my marbles and I was a disgrace but I have my opinion.
I'm so sick of football at the moment it's all about money and I've supported the Villa for over 45 years, I know that matters for nothing these days as you rightly say you can watch all the games on Sky and the internet, but I have to sit and watch it without the option of the off button.
I did'nt say that made me a better Villa fan than you.
So, you've turned to personal insults by calling me a muppet. Very good. Nice to see that your 45 years, which you've thrown out again like it was some sort of cock measurement hasn't garnered you maturity in a debate.
And where did I call you a disgrace, or are you just making stuff up now? I suggested you'd lost your marbles for being the "first to say" that you wanted Lerner out. In my opinion that's utter madness for any reason, especially over an average footballer like Curtis Davies. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion over anything, but so am I which I stated in a tongue in cheek way. Something you responded to very strongly and pulled the "you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Canada" line. Which quite frankly is complete nonsense. I've been watching Villa for a long time also, and I don't turn the TV off or go mental when they lose, because if I did I'd have been locked up a long time ago.
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
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Amongst all of this fun its easily forgotten that Davies was crap first half against Rapid but did have a good second half. We beat West Ham 3-0 last week and Clark took the plaudits so why would he have been dropped? Fair enough dAVIES IS ON 49 GAMES AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THING i DON'T KNOW, BUT WHICH GAME SINCE HE HIT 49 -balls - have we been scratching our heads at kick-off wondering why he wasn't in the team?
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.
Peter we lost a game to Newcastle, not to Blues or Albion and he's calling for Lerner's head over Curtis Davies. Something that we don't even know if it is fact or not. Ok, so living in Birmingham you'll get some grief for a few days. I understand as I lived there, went to school and worked there. But we're by far the biggest team in the area, and if you're going to want the owner out after a defeat, or even if it has to do with one player (a reserve player at that) then have to take a look at things and ask if you're getting carried away a bit. What if someone had said to you that you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Pakistan? How would you have felt?
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
Not trying to get into this one but surely his argument was that your view is tainted by the fact that you aren't here right in the midst of it. It does make a difference however you may want it to be otherwise. Not in terms of you supporting villa and hurting like the rest of us, but when you live in Birmingham and its environs then the pain of a defeat is a lot harder to get away from due to the local press, friends, family, work colleagues etc overseas you can just switch off from the outside world and wait for the next game. it does calm you down and makes defeats slightly easier to deal with. Slightly. But if his opinion is that your viewpoint will have been becalmed due to distance then i do think its a valid point. Being a better or worse Villa fan because of it, isn't.
Peter we lost a game to Newcastle, not to Blues or Albion and he's calling for Lerner's head over Curtis Davies. Something that we don't even know if it is fact or not. Ok, so living in Birmingham you'll get some grief for a few days. I understand as I lived there, went to school and worked there. But we're by far the biggest team in the area, and if you're going to want the owner out after a defeat, or even if it has to do with one player (a reserve player at that) then have to take a look at things and ask if you're getting carried away a bit. What if someone had said to you that you don't know what you're talking about because you live in Pakistan? How would you have felt?
They did. Quite often. Still do as a matter of fact. Its one thingto question someone's support - whatever the issue - but living overseas you know that the hurt is less to a degree than when you're surrounded by all and sundry in the UK who will be on the wind-up. You aren't able to forget about it. In saying that i found that I was more nervous watching games because I was so far away and my link to the team was just 90 minutes - as well as the internet (as in here) with that in mind the pain of defeat lingered longer as they was no avenue to relieve the pain. being here is more akin to a counselling session for the overseas fans so perhaps you're right tv.
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Tbf I rate Carlos and Collins as better centre halfs than him so would you really play him again to give him a 20K pay rise and new 4 year deal when he's most likely to be 4th choice when everyone's fit?
I don't think he'll be here after deadline day.
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This is a disgrace if Lerner has not played Davies because of some clause that would cost him money then may I be the first to say Lerner out !! And Lerner is apparently picking the team is also the consequence of this by the way.
I know today has been bad but this takes the biscuit. Davies is a better player than Clark at the moment for us and the team, that should be the only question.
I like Davies and think he may well go on to play for England if his shoulder problems are over but when they are all fit we have too many centre halves but if he plays one more premier league match ang gets a pay rise and the new manager doesnt rate him he will be harder to shift on higher wages ala Luke Young not wanting to join Liverpool and take a pay cut.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
When a player admits he's little better than a pub player when he's having a bad day, what other evidence do you need exactly?
I could handle it if he was, for 3 out of 4 games, an 8/10 player and then maybe a 6/10 for the 4th game.
But he's not. He's a 6/10 on a good day and a 3/10 on a bad day.
Sorry, but I'll take Clark every day of the week and twice on a Sunday over Davies. As Dave says, there's a top player in there somewhere but I don't think even Davies himself knows how to bring it out.
Clark didn't look brilliant against Newcastle due to:
(a) Dunne having a nightmare
(b) the full-backs having a nightmare
(c) the midfield being a open door
(d) Newcastle's forward line having one of those days when everything goes right.
A young lad with lots of promise but little first team experience can't be blamed for this and certainly shouldn't be dropped in favour of a bloke who may or may not perform as bad as a Sunday League clogger.
You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.
Some people really have got short memories when it comes to criticizing Davies... and as for the 'pub player' comment, fair do's that he came out and admitted how bad he was... most pro's don't give a shit anymore.
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You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.
Can you find a slightly less aggressive, confrontation way to disagree, please?
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You're little opinion is invalid. If you seriously think a young lad who has only litterally come through the reserves and has played 2 or 3 league games is more worthy of a spot in the team in an away match against a team who are going to be very physical where it's going to be test he's not had before, rather than someone who has experience playing at the highest level for a lot longer period and has already proven himself in those type of games... well, congrats next time you want to be taken seriously expressing your tactical genius.
Can you find a slightly less aggressive, confrontation way to disagree, please?
I'm just pointing out it's dumb to think that someone so inexperienced like Clark who has only played 2 or 3 games for Villa's first team should play rather than someone who is experienced at this level and is proven with some stand out performances in the past who would have coped better in a game like yesterday. Besides, that poster was rather insulting to me on Saturday as well to another poster who was being fair but then being called 'dickhead' 'swamp donkey' etc... I've got no aggressive issues and I think trying to personally insult someone over the internet pathetic.
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Barring injury during K mac's tenure, isn't it safe to say Dunne and Cuellar are the starters anyway? Leave Jimbo and Curtis to the early round cups.
Curtis could be great, but needs a decent run, will this ever happen?
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Its probably being left to the new manager as to whether its worth giving him a new longer better contract.He might be more difficult to move on if he gets a better contract.
I presume that is the reasoning anyway.
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Well, the General has quite strongly dismissed the rumour about Curtis and his contractual situation as 'total nonsense'.
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yeah Total Bollocks ;-))
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Well, the General has quite strongly dismissed the rumour about Curtis and his contractual situation as 'total nonsense'.
I'm sorry, but the evidence from Sunday makes the official line look a little bit suspect. We started with a not fully fit Clark on the pitch, then had two right backs in Beye and Lichaj on the bench. It would have made much more sense to have Davies in the squad ahead of Lichaj.
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Yes, the General did also dismiss criticism of our wages to turnover ratio, claiming it was all under control. It now looks like this is significantly hampering our strategy, as we can't shift the dead wood.
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Yes, the General did also dismiss criticism of our wages to turnover ratio, claiming it was all under control. It now looks like this is significantly hampering our strategy, as we can't shift the dead wood.
I wouldn't say Davies is dead wood, he's a good player, but when Collins and Carlos are fit I can't seeing him being 1st choice, but you never know what the new manager may do...
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Well, the General has quite strongly dismissed the rumour about Curtis and his contractual situation as 'total nonsense'.
I'm sorry, but the evidence from Sunday makes the official line look a little bit suspect. We started with a not fully fit Clark on the pitch, then had two right backs in Beye and Lichaj on the bench. It would have made much more sense to have Davies in the squad ahead of Lichaj.
I always connect it to that back to last season when Davies come on against Brighton and then
disappeared for the rest of the season, not even making the bench.
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It may help Curtis if his agent were to come out and say "Curtis is not interested in a pay rise as he's spent half his time here either injured or shit, and just wants to play again and repay the club in some way" rather than "Curtis is due a pay rise when he plays a few more games".
However the first statement would in no way benefit his agent financially so is highly unlikely.
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
I did'nt have the right of reply that Toronto Villa was afforded because I have been 'rested' but now I'm back onside for a short while I will say that firstly, you said I had lost my marbles and it was someone else said I was a disgrace, so apologies for my mistake.
I stand by my opinion that if, as someone (not me by the way) inferred on this thread, that Curtis Davies will not be playing any more league games because of financial reasons, it is a disgrace, and if Doug Ellis had done that we would be calling for his head.
Perhaps I was a bit over the top with the Lerner comment but that was raw emotion after the game, I can indeed confirm that I have not lost my marbles.
I did not say the situation with Davies was fact, as most things are'nt on a message board with thousands of opinions, I was reacting to what someone else had said.
Also on your main point I'm sure it hurts like hell in Toronto, Canada, but I can assure you that here it hurts much more and I also stand by that.
I have had nothing but stick and 'banter' for the last two days, with constant windup texts and emails from our friendly neighbours which has been great fun indeed. Surrounded by Bluenoses and plastic Mancs here in Brum I have had to develop a very thick skin that perhaps you could too.
I don't see why I had to be 'rested' from this site anyway, as by reckoning I'm 3-1 down on the personal insults score, but don't worry I won't be posting on here again with my obviously appalling opinions.
Up the Villa !
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If you won't be posting on here, Osc, I trust you'll still be frequenting the Villa Memories page? there's a photo quiz on there for you at the moment.
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I wish he'd said all of that in reverse order. Would have saved me two minutes of my life.
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Oscar's being rested, and I'm sure you wouldn't like to go the same way.
Dave that's fine and I'll drop it after this. But of all the people on this board, I've seen you come out strongly against the "better fan", "loyal fan" bollocks before and you didn't on this issue. Which is very disappointing. This board has lots of loyal fans living away from home that have just as valid opinions as those that go to games every week. We can all have different views on Villa, but debates that go that way are completely devalued. Our opinions count, something that should be defended.
I did'nt have the right of reply that Toronto Villa was afforded because I have been 'rested' but now I'm back onside for a short while I will say that firstly, you said I had lost my marbles and it was someone else said I was a disgrace, so apologies for my mistake.
I stand by my opinion that if, as someone (not me by the way) inferred on this thread, that Curtis Davies will not be playing any more league games because of financial reasons, it is a disgrace, and if Doug Ellis had done that we would be calling for his head.
Perhaps I was a bit over the top with the Lerner comment but that was raw emotion after the game, I can indeed confirm that I have not lost my marbles.
I did not say the situation with Davies was fact, as most things are'nt on a message board with thousands of opinions, I was reacting to what someone else had said.
Also on your main point I'm sure it hurts like hell in Toronto, Canada, but I can assure you that here it hurts much more and I also stand by that.
I have had nothing but stick and 'banter' for the last two days, with constant windup texts and emails from our friendly neighbours which has been great fun indeed. Surrounded by Bluenoses and plastic Mancs here in Brum I have had to develop a very thick skin that perhaps you could too.
I don't see why I had to be 'rested' from this site anyway, as by reckoning I'm 3-1 down on the personal insults score, but don't worry I won't be posting on here again with my obviously appalling opinions.
Up the Villa !
Oscar, I don't want to carry this on as you're clearly a very passionate fan and I respect that. I found it odd though that given all that Randy Lerner had done personally and financially for the club, that you would seemingly call for his head over Curtis Davies not playing. Even if it's true and that was the decision, it would have made little difference to the score on Sunday. I'd expect all of us to get a lot more animated if the player in question was Ashley Young or Gabby, but we are talking about the 4th CB at the club, and you were seemingly taking sides with him versus the owner that has given us much more than the player has and likely ever will.
I understand all about banter. I don't know if you think I'm Canadian, but I'm not. I'm as Brummie as you are. I just live out here now. I've been through many bad defeats as a Villa fan going to school or working in Birmingham. We had a good number of years taking it from the wankers down the road. I'll grant you I don't get the in your face stuff anymore, but quite frankly I never really took it from others back then either. I know our place in the game and certainly in the Midlands, so I couldn't care less about other teams. I especially don't care for noses, and even more so any glory hunting tosser Brummie supporting Liverpool or Man U. Living away from home doesn't make me any less passionate than you, and as peter W pointed out, it can be much harder, because who do I vent my frustrations to? I've got you lot, because Mrs TV doesn't care, and my dog just stares at me.
Lets draw a line under this. I am confident that things will be fine in the end because I trust the people in charge have our best interests at hand. They've no really let us down at all as owners since arriving, so we owe them at least some patience in return until they find the right manager.
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The story was that he was due to get a new contract at 60 games. By my sums tonight is his sixty-first.
So utter bollocks.
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He is also fucking terrible tonight.
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THAT is why he doesn't play more often
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THAT is why he doesn't play more often
Yep.
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He's a Rose & Crown man.
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He's an absolute waste of fucking space.
Without a doubt MON's worst signing.
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He's an absolute waste of fucking space.
Without a doubt MON's worst signing.
Well, Beye looked utterly useless too, and as a team, no cohesion at all.
But, £10 Million for Davies, ffs, no wonder Baggies fans were laughing their bollox off.
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He's an absolute waste of fucking space.
Without a doubt MON's worst signing.
Well, Beye looked utterly useless too, and as a team, no cohesion at all.
But, £10 Million for Davies, ffs, no wonder Baggies fans were laughing their bollox off.
And to think we've almost given them Shorey. How I'd have loved him at left back tonight.
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I have always been happy to give CD the benefit of the doubt, thinking that his undoubted abilities will cover up his falabilities, but i'm afraid that i don't think they will.
He just always makes the wrong decision,, looks uncomfortable on the ball, not the best passer, gets caught out of position.Very poor.
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Utter shit
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In answer to title of this thread - Shit.
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Doesn't appear to have too much upstairs.
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I hope he never plays for us again.
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Not even close to being good enough...
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Clear the fuckin ball Curtis.
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How is Davies shit? What makes him 'shit'? He is our most athletic defender with the best pyshical attributes. I think we've got a good bunch of central defenders who we can rely on equally.
It annoys me when people make up things saying how bad a player is only because they don't like him.
1. Davies on the ball is great... I have no idea what you're saying here.
2. Last time he played for us (Vienna away) he was heading everything and covering a lot for Clark's mistakes.
3. What defender doesn't get sucked out of position from time-to-time? You see it every week whether it be Terry or Bramble.
4. I can't remember his last 'ricket'. I can name more 'rickets' Dunne has dropped... significant 'rickets' too. CC Final anyone?
Point is, Davies has been in and out with injuries... when he is healthy and playing again, you'll see the best of him just like when he had a formidable partnership with Laursen. Funny how no-one called him 'shit' then...
Well, well.....what a shock. "The Situation" proved to be horribly horribly wrong. Who'd have ever guessed that he was talking bollocks, eh?
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He's one of those players who thinks he's better than he actually is. There are plenty of centre-halves with less ability than him that will have good careers in the top flight.
But he thinks he's fucking Maldini sometimes, and he really isn't as technically competent as I'd always believed.
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Clark is 17 times the player - I worked it out.
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Davies, Warnock, Beye, Harewood, Heskey and others a pile of wasted shit from MON. Fuck knows how much these jokers earn.
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He's one of those players who thinks he's better than he actually is. There are plenty of centre-halves with less ability than him that will have good careers in the top flight.
But he thinks he's fucking Maldini sometimes, and he really isn't as technically competent as I'd always believed.
I agree with this almost word for word.
He has a totally unjustifiable arrogance, slags off the manager when he hasn't even cleared his office out yet and then totally and utterly costs us the game tonight. The one good thing is there are less shall we say experimental games for the ****** to get picked in as a result of tonight.
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Agent Davies....those pesky Albion bastards!
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The problem with most of these MON signings is they are just that - they will play beyond their ability for MON but will then get found out when he isnt around. There is a lot of sorting out to be done at this club - I genuinely am worried about our prospects now for the first time.
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The lad's plumbed a whole new depth of shite tonight. I will cry if he wears a Villa shirt again. Not even the landlord at my local wants him.
Utterly unbelievably crap. I really cannot understand people going on about Heskey being the worst player we've had as this clown is far, far worse and plays in the same Villa team. Not that we've had nobody worse than him mind but he's worse than Heskey.
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curtis davies = 4 or 5 million + gary cahill cheers Martin, no wonder randy wanted to clip your wings!
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That- without doubt- was the single most brainless bit of defending that I've seen at VP.
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curtis davies = 4 or 5 million + gary cahill cheers Martin, no wonder randy wanted to clip your wings!
what a horrid thought
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£10 million for that clown. Dear god.
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£10 million for that clown. Dear god.
Be lucky to get £10 now.
Maybe MON legged it cos he knew what a shower of shit he'd brought into the club - and ran before he was smoked out.
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Davies, Warnock, Beye, Harewood, Heskey and others a pile of wasted shit from MON. Fuck knows how much these jokers earn.
Beye hasn't had a chance really.
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Davies, Warnock, Beye, Harewood, Heskey and others a pile of wasted shit from MON. Fuck knows how much these jokers earn.
Beye hasn't had a chance really.
I think he has just shown why. He is as much as a footballer as my living room carpet is.
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You just never, never by a defender from Newcastle.
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You just never, never by a defender from Newcastle.
and the odds of us signing Stephen Taylor are??
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curtis davies = 4 or 5 million + gary cahill cheers Martin, no wonder randy wanted to clip your wings!
Jesus, as if this week hadn't been bad enough, you go and shove that thought into my head.
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Curtis is a shambles. He had the nerve to moan about Martin but at the end of the day hes an average player with below average concentration. He cost us the game and was a constant worry all game.
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Argree with you Tom, Keeps venting his frustration at MON but its clear too see why he didn't play him, My only other concern is that mon was the fucker that brought him.
I wish these players that critisize mon would let their football and detrmination do the talking.
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He was the first to slate MON when he walked on not giving him a chance. Think he should of seriously kept his mouth shut ..............
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He was the first to slate MON when he walked on not giving him a chance. Think he should of seriously kept his mouth shut ..............
I think he probably should have kept his mouth shut.
I also think he should have kept shtum after his debut with his pub player comment, as it now looks staggeringly accurate.
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The 99 year old at half time moved quicker than that useless lump of baggies shite.
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You just never, never by a defender from Newcastle.
and the odds of us signing Stephen Taylor are??
I was watchin sky sports when it said he was transfer listed, I turned to my pal and said thank fuck mon's gone.
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I honestly think we'd struggle to get £2m for him now.
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Davies, Warnock, Beye, Harewood, Heskey and others a pile of wasted shit from MON. Fuck knows how much these jokers earn.
Beye hasn't had a chance really.
I think he has just shown why. He is as much as a footballer as my living room carpet is.
Davies & Beye were unbelievably shit tonight. Unbelievably shit. They undid the hard work of the other players by just being thick and useless. The second and third goals were the direct results of both of these shit-for-brains pissing about. It wasn't a great performance from the team but these idiots have just made me angry. i wouldn't want to see either of them play for us again.
I also don't want to hear rent-a gob Davies bleating in the press. Unless he's playing next to a really good defender, he's shite.
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I do not want to see him in a villa shirt again or hear him spouting his mouth off in the press.
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I've changed my mind. There isn't an England player there. There's hardly a Welsh international there.
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Theres a decent player in there I believe.
Let Hitzfeld* direct him for 12 months. Davies would be unrecognisable
*or Wenger, Ferguson, Hiddink etc
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There may still be a decent player in there, but frankly there will be a lot of goals leaking into our net before we find out for sure. We can't justify giving him games when we have other defenders that are producing a consistently higher standard.
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Davies must never be allowed to disgrace the shirt again, if he put as much effort into his game as he did in slagging off MON (rightly or wrongly) he would be greatly improved, although still utter shite. Someone should arrange for him to mark Heskey in training and see if he can fuck up Davies like he did Rio for england.
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I think he's mentally weak. He's prone to panicking and making wrong decisions, and flapping at the ball.
Bit of a waste of money really.
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We can't give him away .............we are stuck with him till his contract runs out -
I pray it's very soon and he takes a few other wasters with him
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By all accounts excellent for Leicester again tonight. Surely with Dunne, Collins and Cuellar either injured or suffering from injury he should have been recalled some time ago. Do people realise we are three points from the relegation zone and need every player we can. How he hasnt been recalled already stinks a bit I must say. Can anyone shed any light on the situation?
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By all accounts excellent for Leicester again tonight. Surely with Dunne, Collins and Cuellar either injured or suffering from injury he should have been recalled some time ago. Do people realise we are three points from the relegation zone and need every player we can. How he hasnt been recalled already stinks a bit I must say. Can anyone shed any light on the situation?
No.
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Houllier obviously does not rate him .......
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Houllier obviously does not rate him .......
And you reckon he rates the likes of Hogg!!
This stinks to be honest. Davies had many fine games for the club too and has the scope to improve. The stint at Leicester will have brought him on and this is the chance he has been waiting for. He is only 25 or that. I suspect the board or Houllier has screwed up here and not put a 24 hour recall clause into his loan agreement. How much do we owe West Brom if he plays the required number of games, this strikes me as Ellis esque money pinching and it is costing us points. We are three points from the relegation zone let noone forget. This pricking around is harming the club.
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this stinks to be honest. Davies had many fine games for the club too
I agree, his every game wasn't a disaster, but "many fine games"? When?
The stint at Leicester will have brought him on and this is the chance he has been waiting for. He is only 25 or that.
But he's playing in the Championship - that's the difference, and it's a big one. We knew he could cut it down there, as he had done with Albion. Not quite so impressive playing in the top flight, though.
I suspect the board or Houllier has screwed up here and not put a 24 hour recall clause into his loan agreement. How much do we owe West Brom if he plays the required number of games, this strikes me as Ellis esque money pinching and it is costing us points. We are three points from the relegation zone let noone forget. This pricking around is harming the club.
How is it costing us points?
Which games would Davies have been likely to have played in if he had been here all season?
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Houllier obviously does not rate him .......
I think it's due to the face that if he starts 1 more league game he gets some sort of new contract, and with Randy trying to cuit costs a bit GH has been told Davies is not available for Premier League selection.
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Houllier obviously does not rate him .......
I think it's due to the face that if he starts 1 more league game he gets some sort of new contract, and with Randy trying to cuit costs a bit GH has been told Davies is not available for Premier League selection.
A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
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There was a period of a few months with Laursen when Davies was superb. Even better than Laursen arguably and earning him an England call up too.
He also kept loads of clean sheets in a row with Knight after Laursen was injured and started last season well. The Liverpool game away being a highlight.
I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He is an enigma though. Like the little girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead. When he is good he is very very good but when he is bad, he is horrid.
Last season with three senior in form centre halves and the massive promise of Clark, we could afford to lose him. Now, with Dunne in dodgy form and a few injuries here and there, I'm not so sure.
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A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
As expected.
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There was a period of a few months with Laursen when Davies was superb. Even better than Laursen arguably and earning him an England call up too.
He also kept loads of clean sheets in a row with Knight after Laursen was injured and started last season well. The Liverpool game away being a highlight.
I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He is an enigma though. Like the little girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead. When he is good he is very very good but when he is bad, he is horrid.
Last season with three senior in form centre halves and the massive promise of Clark, we could afford to lose him. Now, with Dunne in dodgy form and a few injuries here and there, I'm not so sure.
Agreed Maz.
His performance v Arsenal away in 2008/09 was as good an allround performance as I've seen from a centre half in a while.
He's still young for a CB, still learning the game and at the top level he probably needs a dominant CB alongside him. In the Championship he can probably get away with it.
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I would rather have Dunne than Davies, he is shit and Leicester is his level get rid as soon as possible. Never should have signed him I would rather have had C*hill
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I don't think he is shit.
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Interesting article in the Leicester Mercury:
here (http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Defender-Curtis-Davies-relishing-loan-spell-Leicester-City/article-2880969-detail/article.html)
After a year watching from the stands at Villa, Davies feels he can finally be the player who caught the eye of Capello, and said City manager Sven-Goran Eriksson deserves the credit for that.
Davies's marauding runs with the ball out of defence have been a feature of City's recent upturn in form under the Swede, and Davies feels he finally has the freedom to play his natural game.
"I am playing like the old me because I am allowed to do things I used to do all the time," he said. "That is the reason why I was signed by West Brom and then Villa. But I feel that when I was at Villa I took a step backwards because I was signed as one thing and they tried to make me into another thing."
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A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
As expected.
Yes, he's well known for lying to us. Why he still bothers, I really don't know.
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Interesting that he talks about is in the past tense - "when I WAS at Villa"
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There was a period of a few months with Laursen when Davies was superb. Even better than Laursen arguably and earning him an England call up too.
He also kept loads of clean sheets in a row with Knight after Laursen was injured and started last season well. The Liverpool game away being a highlight.
I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He is an enigma though. Like the little girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead. When he is good he is very very good but when he is bad, he is horrid.
Last season with three senior in form centre halves and the massive promise of Clark, we could afford to lose him. Now, with Dunne in dodgy form and a few injuries here and there, I'm not so sure.
He needs a minder. He was impressive playing next to Laursen as the two complimented each other but he just does not the belief to be the defensive leader. After the ludicrous corner he conceded against Rapid Vienna I would never trust his with a football again!
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A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
As expected.
Yes, he's well known for lying to us. Why he still bothers, I really don't know.
why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
sure davies can be horrid. couldnt kick the ball with his left foot properly for a start but his last game at Anfield he was superb, in the victory at the Emirates, plenty of other ones too. Always felt with him if he got a bang early on it tended to sharpen him up a bit. Has had more good games at centre half than Cuellar I might add.
He would have started for sure against Blackburn and with the form and injuries of our other centre half options he would have got other chances too. Dont get me wrong after a long spell out he needed games but he is required back at Villa Park pronto.
This coming cup tie against Bham would also see him play. We seem to have rushed Collins back too early last weekend, he couldnt have been any worse than him anyway.
It is self defeating not calling him back, we are putting in kids who are struggling when an experienced player who would give us options is available. It is madness.
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A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
As expected.
Yes, he's well known for lying to us. Why he still bothers, I really don't know.
He was very clear about what he wanted us to think about the Curtis situation - "total nonsense", I'm not sure he answered any specific questions on it. I could be wrong though, I don't pay particularly close attention to that thread.
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A theory which the General comprehensively trashed in his thread a while back
As expected.
Yes, he's well known for lying to us. Why he still bothers, I really don't know.
He was very clear about what he wanted us to think about the Curtis situation - "total nonsense", I'm not sure he answered any specific questions on it. I could be wrong though, I don't pay particularly close attention to that thread.
What other questions are there to answer about it, though?
"Is it true Davies isn't being played because it would trigger a pay related clause in his contract?"
"No, it is total nonsense"
EDIT
this is what he said, it was relating to a thread in which people were talking about this clause.
3. There is a rumor out there re. Curtis Davis and playing and his contract. Total nonsense.
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Has had more good games at centre half than Cuellar I might add.
Nah, I'm not having that. Cuellar has been consistently very good at centre half.
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I'd be happier with him back in the squad, that's for sure. We're stretched enough as it is at the back and the situation is much different to August, when we had four other fit and able centre-backs and Curtis needed games. Now we have one of our first choice CBs struggling for form, one of our back-up CBs injured, and the other playing in midfield.
And we're about to enter the Christmas/New Year period, when games come thick and fast.
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I hope we're having him watched at Leicester and that when he comes back he's given a chance to prove himself rather than be sacrificed for the sake of the wage bill.
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I hope we're having him watched at Leicester and that when he comes back he's given a chance to prove himself rather than be sacrificed for the sake of the wage bill.
Agreed. We don't want another Gary Cahill type situation on our hands.
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We're looking to buy players and have resigned others on higher contracts. I can't see the wage bill being the problem it was to be honest. More like value for money.
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We are always quick to write off players that lose form for one reason or another.
He can play at Premier League level and has proved it. He can also play from the back if he is given the encouragement which O'Neill obviously stopped him doing.
Good luck to him if he's beginning to get his confidence back at Leicester.
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We're looking to buy players and have resigned others on higher contracts. I can't see the wage bill being the problem it was to be honest. More like value for money.
I expect to see the manager given a bit of leeway in the short term but the issue hasn't gone away and at some point, in the not too distant future, he's going to have to get rid of a few if wants to bring in his own players.
Carew, Sidwell and Luke Young would be top of my list.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.
They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?
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Curtis D might - just might - play well alongside Cuellar or Clark; he's obvioulsy got some talent and shouldn't be discarded without further P'ship exposure.
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Curtis Davies had a massive chance to ressurect his Villa career when MON bailed. He played like shit, just as he had for most of MOn's time at Villa. To even consider him again is ridiculous. He along with a number of other players like Sidwell, Salifou and coming up on the rails Carew and Warnockare are yesterday's Villa.
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I dont see Warnock as yesterdays Villa. Good player, and for me, higher up the rankings than Luke Young. At least he tries to defend. Sidwell looked a much better player in his recent spell. He needs games, but I cant see him getting past Clark now
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I haven't forgiven Davies for inexplicably kicking the ball over our own bar against Vienna at VP. He could have kicked it anywhere but decided to take a shot at Guzan for no apparent reason. They scored the goal from the resulting corner that put us out of Europe. He is a massive liabilty.
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I dont see Warnock as yesterdays Villa. Good player, and for me, higher up the rankings than Luke Young.
I can't agree with that.
I thought Warnock looked excellent when we first bought him, but the second half of last season, and all of this season so far, he has been an absolute liability.
Diving in on Diouf on half time at Ewood was an act of stupid petulance which cost us. Sloppy and unprofessional.
Luke Young had a stinker on Saturday. Warnock has had a series of stinkers lasting the best part of one whole season.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.
They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?
They're getting a wee bit of stick on the internet - I'm sure they can handle that. There is a feeling among some I think that the bright future claims are turning into more of the same. We've been close - but again falling short and now we've gone backwards. What happens now will be their test.
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But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.
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But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.
Agreed. Most other club's fans would give their right arm to have an owner like Randy. How the hell can he be blamed for the current situation? There is only one single person to blame for where we are in the league, O'Neill. To walk out when he did was unforgiveable.
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But they have more than, in the horrible O'Neillian phrase, earned the right. That's what annoys me - they do everything better than we could have hoped for, then one setback and they're the bad guys.
Agreed. Most other club's fans would give their right arm to have an owner like Randy. How the hell can he be blamed for the current situation? There is only one single person to blame for where we are in the league, O'Neill. To walk out when he did was unforgiveable.
Absolutely.
And the way some people on here have turned on the board is, quite frankly, fucking embarassing.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.
They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?
insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!
The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.
Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager
The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.
Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed
How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?
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The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for?
Then ...
How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?
I can't work out what you're saying.
First you're criticising them for giving the manager too much to spend, then a few lines later, you're moaning about the lack of money to spend.
If the board had said no to some of the players MON wanted and their salaries, I've no doubt you'd be moaning about that, but now you're moaning that the board are to blame for paying big salaries.
And ...
insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!
Well, insulted might include you and your pathetic "Mr Krulak" arsey student routine the other day.
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I'd say calling them liars is insulting and abusing. Every one of your questions has been answered, and if you don't agree with the answer whose fault is that?
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insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!
The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.
Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager
The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.
Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed
How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?
1. Not really: Some of the criticism on his thread on here and to an even greater extent VT is a bit much.
2. i) Is it really that we cannot afford it? Or is it not evidence against your sixth point.
ii)To an extent yes they did make a mistake in giving MoN too much power though so I will cede that they made A mistake.
3. Deal was finalised before the manager left.
4. What doesn't make sense? A poor player has been shipped out on loan because he never met his potential. What doesn't make sense is that he wasn't potted sooner.
5. I will cede that they took too much time to do this. So there a second relatively minor mistake.
6. From what I've heard GHou won't be searching down the back of the couch over New Year.
It's like getting married to beautiful girl, with big tits and wealthy parents. She gives you one twice per day and cooks all your meals in a luxury house that she bought and then moaning because you don't like the colour of the nail polish she is wearing one morning and the fact that she forgot to butter your toast. Then using this to moan that because of these things she is going to stop shagging you and the bailiffs are going to repossess the house.
Some of the bizarre conspiracy theories floating around here would have Mulder and Scully shaking their heads in disbelief.
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why some on here dont question the boards motives is what irks me
Yes, because they've behaved appallingly since taking over haven't they?
What irks me is that they've been as open and honest as it's possible to be, introduced levels of customer service that have been unthinkable at any other football club then when they give an answer that doesn't fit in with someone's preconceived notions or the latest conspiracy theory they're immediately branded as incompetents or liars.
Come on Dave, the new owners have received the red-carpet treatment since they came. After selling one of our best players 2 seasons running, losing the manager and seeing the team fall towards the relegation zone fans have the right at least to question. Supporters are the custodians of the club not idle customers.
They received what they deserved. And now a couple of things have gone wrong - and O'Neill running away coupled to the worst injury list of all time cannot be pinned on them - they're being called liars and worse. Not questioned, insulted and abused. Do they deserve that?
insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!
The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for? The situation where 85% of turnover was going on wages is more the fault of the board than MON in my opinion.
Stephen ireland should never have been brought in without a manager
The Curtis Davies situation doesnt make sense.
Why was Houllier brought in after the transfer window closed
How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?
The Board relied on the judgement of the manager. If the players had performed and we had got into a CL place..... it would not have been 85% for very long.
Clearly they relied on MON's judgement on Ireland before he left. To be fair most pundits thought it was good business and we needed a midfielder in. I suspect they took advice on him, perhaps from the temp manager?
The Curtis Davies situation makes perfect sense. He hasn't had any game time since he returned from his shoulder injury. If he has a clause in his contract that awards him a big rise after so many PL games, loan him out and let the new manager assess him.
Houllier was brought in as quickly as he could be. Even if he had come in much earlier he still wouldn't have had an opportunity to assess what he had and what he needed before the end of the window.
Who says money is tight at all?
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For years people criticised Ellis for meddling in team affairs. Then a board comes in with all good intention and supports and trusts a manager with a proven track record, and now some people use that as a stick to beat them with. Unbelieveable. I'm just glad the likes of brontebilly are part the mindless minority.
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I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover. Back the manager on his football knowledge, fair enough, but why let him deal with financials when he has no qualifications to do so? It was asking for trouble, and I'd be willing to bet most if not all of O'Neill's signings would have joined us even if lower wages were offered. Lets' face it they were hardly world class superstars he was signing were they?
Davies is getting panned over the Vienna game when admittedly he cocked up badly but he was badly lacking in top level match practice. I think he gets a raw deal from a lot of Villa fans. Contrast with pie disposal unit Richard Dunne who commits error after error, looks slow and overweight, and gets away with murder by comparison.
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I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover. Back the manager on his football knowledge, fair enough, but why let him deal with financials when he has no qualifications to do so? It was asking for trouble, and I'd be willing to bet most if not all of O'Neill's signings would have joined us even if lower wages were offered. Lets' face it they were hardly world class superstars he was signing were they?
So which member of the board should have made the decision as to what level of wages we should have offered?
If O'Neill had wanted to sign both Reo-Coker and Sneijder and offered both £80k per week, should they have backed him on one and not the other? Or neither? Or both?
It seems like you want demand the best of both worlds, all with the benefit of hindsight.
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The board has made mistakes too and as supporters we should be questioning them on it. Not burying our heads in the sand blaming MON. Who gave MON the funds to spend - 45m-50m net in the 2008/09 season? Money the club could not afford and are now paying the price for?
Then ...
How tight is the money situation at Villa Park?
I can't work out what you're saying.
First you're criticising them for giving the manager too much to spend, then a few lines later, you're moaning about the lack of money to spend.
If the board had said no to some of the players MON wanted and their salaries, I've no doubt you'd be moaning about that, but now you're moaning that the board are to blame for paying big salaries.
And ...
insulted and abused? Hyperbole alert!!!!
Well, insulted might include you and your pathetic "Mr Krulak" arsey student routine the other day.
I'd prefer to know what the state of play is with finances at Villa Park. If we dont have it we shouldnt spend it but I'd prefer if the board were up front about it. The links to Benzema and then the refusal to bring back Curtis Davies dont quite add up.
Mr Krulak wasnt insulted about being called Mr Krulak so if I insulted the PC sensibilities of the highly offended brigade on here then I'm not too bothered.
It seems to me that Randy Lerner in the words of Peter Risdale chased the dream a bit. Only that some of that investment were in fact loans that have to be paid back by the club.
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Calling someone 'PC' because they disagree with you is very tiresome. Almost as tiresome as your claim that the board aren't being upfront when directors have repeatedly answered your question about finances. And maybe, just maybe, the reason Curtis Davies is still at Leicester is because the manager doesn't want him back.
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I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover.
Perhaps they thought he would deliver and the success on the pitch with just a bit more backing? The knock on effect being increased revenue and a more even split re wages to turnover.
In fairness, if he was asking them to fork out for higher wages in the summer of 09 he'd have been arguing from a position of strength and would have been a hard man to refuse. We'd gone close to 4th the season before, so even if they had some doubts about certain aspects of his management it would be easy to reason that there was far more good than bad.
His habit for leaving deals late into the transfer window is probably a major factor in average players being on extortionate wages too. That more than anything else had a killer impact on the wage bill.
Also, would the board really know the difference between a Sidwell, Beye or Heskey and a good player actually worth the wages that trio alone are on? Doubtful. So you can blame them for that if you wish but it seems harsh that we'd criticise a board for letting a football manager manage.
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The board do have to be partly accountable for the wages spiralling, whether they forecasted more income than we achieved I don't know.
Surely MON was given a budget on transfers and wages, and it's up to the board to monitor that.
The fact they don't seem to interfere much is commendable but I can't see them signing cheques for £130M worth of transfers with a "I suppose you know what you're doing".
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I really don't see a huge issue.
They gave him latitude when he looked capable of delivering but pulled back when 4th looked far less realistic. You could argue that not letting him spunk even more on wages would be part of the reason why CL became unrealistic but I'd say the emergence of Man City and Tottenham finally getting their act together were major factors in that too. 4th can still be the long term target, but we'll have to do it in a different way.
We probably don't give them the credit they deserve, in so far as how do we know for certain that their longstanding contingency wasn't to pull back on wages if a higher turnover wasn't achived by x date?
I read an interview with RL a while back where he said it was always the intention to back the manager with a decent transfer pot in year one, invest heavily in year two, spend big in year three but not as much as year two, as the thing should be more sustainable and so on. That's not to say that he wouldn't invest after that point, but it was his hope by that stage that any gaps in re personnel and the squad would be covered and the club was in a better position to generate income and trade on that basis.
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Comparing RL with Ridsdale is in itself insulting! It certainly insults my intelligence.
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I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover. Back the manager on his football knowledge, fair enough, but why let him deal with financials when he has no qualifications to do so? It was asking for trouble, and I'd be willing to bet most if not all of O'Neill's signings would have joined us even if lower wages were offered. Lets' face it they were hardly world class superstars he was signing were they?
So which member of the board should have made the decision as to what level of wages we should have offered?
How about a Chief Executive, as happens in many other clubs? Someone who actually might a) have a bit of knowledge and experience in contract negotiations and finance in general and b) also knows a bit about the football market and what various players are worth. Unfortunately we didn’t have anyone like that.
If O'Neill had wanted to sign both Reo-Coker and Sneijder and offered both £80k per week, should they have backed him on one and not the other? Or neither? Or both?
Hmm, tricky one. Let's see, one is a world class international with one of the best national sides in the world, and the star player of the current European Champions, and the other is a decent, hard working but unremarkable PL player with questionable technique. Tell you what, you work it out.
It seems like you want demand the best of both worlds, all with the benefit of hindsight.
Hindsight has nothing to do with it. If the wages ratio had been common knowledge at the time it was being increased, I’d have raised concerns at the time.
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I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover.
Perhaps they thought he would deliver and the success on the pitch with just a bit more backing? The knock on effect being increased revenue and a more even split re wages to turnover.
In fairness, if he was asking them to fork out for higher wages in the summer of 09 he'd have been arguing from a position of strength and would have been a hard man to refuse. We'd gone close to 4th the season before, so even if they had some doubts about certain aspects of his management it would be easy to reason that there was far more good than bad.
His habit for leaving deals late into the transfer window is probably a major factor in average players being on extortionate wages too. That more than anything else had a killer impact on the wage bill.
Also, would the board really know the difference between a Sidwell, Beye or Heskey and a good player actually worth the wages that trio alone are on? Doubtful. So you can blame them for that if you wish but it seems harsh that we'd criticise a board for letting a football manager manage.
I’m all for allowing the manager to manage and for the Board to back the manager, but don’t see why a team manager’s duties should include control of wages/contract negotiations. I don’t see how playing professional football for 15 years (whilst having all your financial dealings handled by lawyers and agents) and then coaching for 20 years (whilst having all your financial dealings handled by lawyers and agents) would give anyone the necessary skills and financial acumen to make a good job of it. I can’t think of many other large businesses that would put an operational manager in sole charge of contract negotiations and remuneration.
In many clubs the players are identified by the manager, but contracts are negotiated by the Chief Exec or one of the Board members. I believe David Dein used to handle the contract stuff at Arsenal for example, and I would think Kenyon would be involved at Chelsea. Someone with a bit of experience in contractual matters but who also knows a fair bit about the football market, what players are worth, what other clubs are paying etc. We were without anyone with that kind of background on the Board for much of O'Neill's reign and the result is a lot of players on 10-20k a week more than they are probably worth, and more than we could probably have got them for.
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Should this thread be retitled "MON vs the board"?
I clicked on it expecting to read something about Curtis Davies for some reason...
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Sorry Ad@m.
I'm a big supporter of Randy and Co. but I still think they made mistakes in allowing O'Neill to increase the wage bill to 85% of turnover.
Perhaps they thought he would deliver and the success on the pitch with just a bit more backing? The knock on effect being increased revenue and a more even split re wages to turnover.
In fairness, if he was asking them to fork out for higher wages in the summer of 09 he'd have been arguing from a position of strength and would have been a hard man to refuse. We'd gone close to 4th the season before, so even if they had some doubts about certain aspects of his management it would be easy to reason that there was far more good than bad.
His habit for leaving deals late into the transfer window is probably a major factor in average players being on extortionate wages too. That more than anything else had a killer impact on the wage bill.
Also, would the board really know the difference between a Sidwell, Beye or Heskey and a good player actually worth the wages that trio alone are on? Doubtful. So you can blame them for that if you wish but it seems harsh that we'd criticise a board for letting a football manager manage.
I’m all for allowing the manager to manage and for the Board to back the manager, but don’t see why a team manager’s duties should include control of wages/contract negotiations. I don’t see how playing professional football for 15 years (whilst having all your financial dealings handled by lawyers and agents) and then coaching for 20 years (whilst having all your financial dealings handled by lawyers and agents) would give anyone the necessary skills and financial acumen to make a good job of it. I can’t think of many other large businesses that would put an operational manager in sole charge of contract negotiations and remuneration.
In many clubs the players are identified by the manager, but contracts are negotiated by the Chief Exec or one of the Board members. I believe David Dein used to handle the contract stuff at Arsenal for example, and I would think Kenyon would be involved at Chelsea. Someone with a bit of experience in contractual matters but who also knows a fair bit about the football market, what players are worth, what other clubs are paying etc. We were without anyone with that kind of background on the Board for much of O'Neill's reign and the result is a lot of players on 10-20k a week more than they are probably worth, and more than we could probably have got them for.
I think every summer prior to 09 they were so happy to have MON as manager (as most were) and trusted him to deliver. They thought they had some maverick, someone who could pretty much guarantee some form of success by dint of his track record at most of the other clubs he'd managed.
Any conversations with him re: player purchases were probably along the lines of "let my know what you need to make this happen." Though not in a Man City way, obv.
A good chunk of his signings were in the low/medium priced bracket by modern football standards too, so they probably felt (initially at least) that he was prudent and could be trusted.
It was only when they clocked half a dozen players on big wages barely getting near the first team that alarm bells started ringing.
Enter Paul Faulkner. From summer 09 onwards MON seemed to have less control on certain aspects of transfers, mentioning Faulkner by name. This indicates the board were concerned or -at the very least- looking to reduce MON's workload in that area.
I don't think any other manager will enjoy the free reign he enjoyed between 2006-09. Probably for the best too.
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Enter Paul Faulkner. From summer 09 onwards MON seemed to have less control on certain aspects of transfers, mentioning Faulkner by name. This indicates the board were concerned or -at the very least- looking to reduce MON's workload in that area.
I don't think any other manager will enjoy the free reign he enjoyed between 2006-09. Probably for the best too.
Speculation, but maybe they sensed Martin's waning appetite for the job and realising how comprehensively all the footballing issues revolved around him, started to move certain elements away from him.
It makes sense, really, putting all your eggs in one basket, and then letting one member of staff hold the basket is risky.
I can see why they did it when they first arrived - not massively experienced in the workings of (our) football, having to learn fast, it was convenient to have a manager there who was was very much a "managing top to bottom" style man.
Like you said in your last line, I doubt we'll see a manager with that much freedom again. Not just here, either. I know Wenger and Ferguson run their clubs in that style, but they've been there for ages, and have a track record of proven success to point to. I don't think many top flight clubs would let one man have that much power these days.
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I'll admit it.
After tonight's evidence, we need options to replace the fecking useless Dunne, so perhaps we should be thinking about recalling him. He can't be any worse. Can he?
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I'll admit it.
After tonight's evidence, we need options to replace the fecking useless Dunne, so perhaps we should be thinking about recalling him. He can't be any worse. Can he?
Agree. At times he has been superb, deserves a chance but suspect a contract issue is blocking him playing.
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I'll admit it.
After tonight's evidence, we need options to replace the fecking useless Dunne, so perhaps we should be thinking about recalling him. He can't be any worse. Can he?
I think Dunne has eaten him...
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I'll admit it.
After tonight's evidence, we need options to replace the fecking useless Dunne, so perhaps we should be thinking about recalling him. He can't be any worse. Can he?
I think Dunne has eaten him...
Very good.
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I agree - he deserves a chance after Dunnes performances. Whilst Davies has been suspect in the past he does tend to be better at bringing the ball out of defence.
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It's quite amazing that when a player is injured or on loan they suddenly become world beaters.
lets not forget Curtis's performance against Rapid when quite frankly it looked like he was playing badly for an under 12's team
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Drop Mister Creosote and put Cuellar in, bring back Davies and see if he's improved his play after a spell at Leicester.
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Davies won't ever be seen in a Villa shirt again.
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We still have Cuellar to come in and replace Dunne. We should do that before we worry about recalling a player who is clearly on his way out. But this is where manmanagement comes into it, how would dropping Dunne affect him? If he's low on confidence then being dropped may make things worse, the manager may decide that playing him through hid bad patch will help us in the long run and get him into form quicker. Something needs to be done quickly, though, regarding the defence, as it has been very poor week in week out for the season to date.
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If and when Dunne gets dropped lets just hope he doesn't start to comfort eat to heal his pain
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How much longer is NRC out for? I thought Dunne having the arm band would have given him a kick up the ass, but he's still switching off at vital times, I'd be willing to give Curtis one more go that's more than a 45 minute sub appearance.
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After his performance at home v rapid I don't think I'd be as akeen. Time to cut and run. He was trying too hard then and I don't think this is the time to bring him back in.
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We still have Cuellar to come in and replace Dunne. We should do that before we worry about recalling a player who is clearly on his way out. But this is where manmanagement comes into it, how would dropping Dunne affect him? If he's low on confidence then being dropped may make things worse, the manager may decide that playing him through hid bad patch will help us in the long run and get him into form quicker.
I tend to agree but I think that's been attempted Peter.
His form was so good last year (Player of the Season don't forget) that he had enough credit in the bank to have the odd ropey game. Or even a few below par games in a row.
But when that form continues for as long as it has you have to get to a point where you say enough is enough.
His physical condition is shocking. He's a captain and he should be setting an example. What example is he providing at present, eat your way to the top? I said on another thread that part of the problem was he was restricted in what he could do pre-season as he had a re-emergence of a longstanding knee injury. It's possible that he's still feeling the effects of it now and it isn't just a case that he can't be bothered.
But either way we've given him enough latitude at this point. CB is one of the few areas where we have decent cover so he should be re-introduced to the bench. Give him some time out to get in shape and if he's still willing to make a go of it he'll be back. If not, we're well rid.
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It's quite amazing that when a player is injured or on loan they suddenly become world beaters.
lets not forget Curtis's performance against Rapid when quite frankly it looked like he was playing badly for an under 12's team
All some people seem to think of when the subject of Davies crops up are the "pub player" comment and/or the Rapid game, and they write him off on the basis of those two games. In between those he put in some very very good perfromances. Surely he can't be any worse than Dunne at the moment. At least he can run, doesn't look like he's swallowed a pie shop and might actually give a shit.
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He gives the ball away, but his pace often helps him out, pace is what we're missing at the back so I wouldn't mind seeing him back in the fold. Trying different combinations of Davies, Cuellar, Collins and Dunne and Clark when NRC is fit must be worth it over the next few weeks and can't be any worse than persisting with the 2 current incumbents.
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I'd definatley being Davies back. Just having him on the bench might make Dunne and Collins buck up their ideas. They're not exactly being challenged to keep their place at the moment.
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I'd play Cuellar as soon as he's match fit and bring Clark back to play at centre half once NRC is fit again. That will give Collins the kick up the arse he needs, though I think he's just being dragged down to Dunne's level. You can only cover your partner for so long.
Dunne can just be put out to pasture for all I care. Chamakh tearing him a new arsehole was the last straw for me. Get Susie from Curb Your Enthusiasm down to Bodymoor to have a go at him, calling him a "fat fuck" and allsorts.
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Collins has been carrying an injury, has he not?
I think he has enough credit in the bank not to be dumped so quickly for the return of Calamity Curtis!
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Collins has been carrying an injury, has he not?
I think he has enough credit in the bank not to be dumped so quickly for the return of Calamity Curtis!
Calamity Curtis? What, based on just the Rapid Vienna game?
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Oh dear. I know for a fact before going to Leicester Curtis used to spend most Friday nights slagging off MON to whoever would listen in a club in town.
Curtis Davies says Aston Villa's poor run this season cannot be blamed on Martin O'Neill.
Some Villa fans believe that O’Neill, who made the club successful again, is responsible for the current situation because he quit just before the season started, leaving Villa in a mess.
“The players are honest, they will keep going,” Davies, currently on-loan at Leicester City, told the Daily Express. “But maybe Martin O’Neill had a different way of doing things that gave us the kick up the backside we needed when we had a dodgy result.
“Only the club could tell you if he was to blame because I don’t know what was going on behind the scenes. But it’s all well and good saying the manager might have left us high and dry.
“It might have been awkward to adjust, but it’s the same squad. I don’t think we were overly affected and we’ve had long enough to buck up our ideas.
“I’m not saying we will get relegated, but we need to take it seriously. They said a few years ago Newcastle were too good to go down, but they did.
“I’ve been relegated, I’ve seen games where I’ve thought, ‘OK, we can get out of the dark here’ and you’ve drawn rather than won and suddenly teams have overtaken you.
“Villa need to steer clear of that sooner rather than later and not be chasing for safety at the end of the season.”
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good old curtis - still putting his foot in his mouth. Surely its not the same bloody squad as half of them are crocked
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He does even stupider things with his feet in matches
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Davies cannot keep it shut. Get rid and use his money on a striker or two .........
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Davies cannot keep it shut. Get rid and use his money on a striker or two .........
A striker or two?? How much you think were gonna get for him?
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Well he literally had the champagne out when MON walked.
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Davies cannot keep it shut. Get rid and use his money on a striker or two .........
A striker or two?? How much you think were gonna get for him?
nothing like what MON paid for him, sadly i think he has all the attributes to be a very good player, except attitude
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Has been known to perform like a pub player.
Can talk like one too.
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I'd rather have Davies than Collins or Dunne. People slag off Davies yet have a very short memories forgetting how good he was for us before he got injured... based on the performances of Collins and Dunne this season I see no reason why Davies shouldn't get a second chance and show what he can do.
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I'd rather have Davies than Collins or Dunne.
Collins was excellent today, so maybe it was having to play alongside Mr. Creosote that was fucking him up?
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Doesn't excuse his awful performances in previous games... blaming it all Dunne isn't fair, Collins has to take some criticism too.
He did well today though, lets hope we can get back to the way we used to defend... having Cuellar in defence is not only going to give the defence confidence, it'll give the rest of the team and fans confidence. However, I nearly got to the stage of biting my nails today when they got one back... I couldn't help it after all the last minute goals we've conceded, good to see that we held out lol.
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The Daily Heil reckon Curtis is off to Bolton as a replacement for Chelsea bound Gary Cahill.
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Collins has been carrying an injury, has he not?
I think he has enough credit in the bank not to be dumped so quickly for the return of Calamity Curtis!
Calamity Curtis? What, based on just the Rapid Vienna game?
It's probably not fair to label him a calamity for that game alone, however that corner incident was the single most shittest thing i've ever seen from a defender
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As Karl says, he'd been putting it about previously about how shit MON was.
He was talking to a friend of mine in the Shakespeare and couldn't say enough bad things about him.
Look in the mirror time, Curtis.
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Curtis Davies is a championship defensive player at best. He undoubtedly has some footballing skills, its a pity he doesn't have a footballing brain to go with them, at the highest level anyway. Championship football is the highest level he will attain where he will look good.
By the way that Rapid game isn't the only one where he has done something like that. He has a habit, even at the lower levels, of doing the unexpectedly stupid thing.
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You can hardly blame Curtis for not exactly being a fan of O'Neill, the way he was treated afer playing through injury for him. His major fault if anything is to be too open and honest with his opinions, and probably not the best thing to do to be letting off steam in public.
As for only being a championship player, I think you will be proved wrong on that one 1958Villan.
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When is Curtis due back ??
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I think he showed in the season he was alongside Laursen, he has the capability of being a top defender. Whether he will reach those heights again remains to be seen and i am very sceptical about it being in a Villa shirt.
Curtis has just been pure unlucky. He got injured and we signed Collins and Dunne, who were so good last year he was never going to get a sniff.
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When is Curtis due back ??
He is back from Leicester on 4th January, he has rejected an approach to sign permanently for them. Does that 50 match in the Premier league clause exist? He has been on 49 apps for ages.
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He was doing well until he got injured. I remember when we beat Arsenal down at the Emirates a couple of seasons back and he was absolutley superb that day. We've got a decent centre half there, he deserves another chance to win his place back me thinks.
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He may have a way back in with the way dunne has been acting this season- I would have another look at him between now and may and see how Curtis does - the door should not be shut yet on him!
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Well if he has got a clause, let's ask him to remove it, if he says no sell him.
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Well if he has got a clause, let's ask him to remove it, if he says no sell him.
It is WBA that has a clause on the contract.
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Well if he has got a clause, let's ask him to remove it, if he says no sell him.
I disagree to be honest. If the club agreed to it in the first place, then why should'nt we honour it?
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Why would a contract clause include games played during a loan spell? Also don't these clauses generally include appearances in all competitions?
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He's shite.
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He's shite.
I'd have to agree. Let's just move him and fatty on.
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Keep him and give him a run in the side. He's shown in the past there's something there.
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One last chance, I am not convinced about signing David Wheater when it would make more sense to give CD another chance.
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
We can do better.
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
Cahill now has a release clause in his contract valued at £17m. We couldn't afford him.
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Lets go get a proper CB from Scandinavia. There's no one in England we could afford who isn't massively overrated.
If Gerard can pull another Hyppia out the back, then it would be fantastic.
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Based on what his agents have said, it looks like he will go in January for about 3m. Big mistake in my view.
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
I assume that is a thinly disguised pop at our former manager and not a serious suggestion?
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just stating the facts. We let go a centre half who's worth a fortune now in favour of a guy who can hold down a place in a Championship side
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
Cahill now has a release clause in his contract valued at £17m. We couldn't afford him.
I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to pay £17m for Gary Cahill.
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offer him to bolton, along with 8m for cahill
Cahill now has a release clause in his contract valued at £17m. We couldn't afford him.
I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to pay £17m for Gary Cahill.
Apart from Man City.
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Fucking joke if we sell Curtis
Theres a very good player in there
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Fucking joke if we sell Curtis
Theres a very good player in there
I genuinly don't think that there is
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Curtis biggest problem will always be Curtis. On his day he could be one of the best English CB's going. But he lets himself down all too often.
Frankly I'd ship him out while we can get some cash for him, and sell Dunne along with him too. Buy a really decent CB, or two. I'm losing faith in Collins too. I think we need better. Carlos and Clark I'm happy with though.
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Collins apparently at fault with the goal today!! I like the idea of a Scandanavian centre half, we have always done well with those in the past!
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Curtis would have been no worse than Collins or Cuellar tonight
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Curtis would have been no worse than Collins or Cuellar tonight
I've seen him play far, far worse than that.
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I don't think Davies will play for us again.
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I don't think Davies is the answer at all, I expect him to be sold next month.
Would like to see Clark get a run at centre half now.
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I take it Curtis has turned into a world beater on account of having a few decent games in the first division? He talks a cracking game but rarely looked any more than adequate.
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Leicester have conceded five goals in their last two games so not sure that's even true PW.
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The reviews from the Walkers have been far from flattering.
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A team in our position need centre halves who are prepared to slog it out, not play pretty football. As it happens, Curtis Davies is not competent in either of those, in my view.
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Bump ;)
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Why?
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I’m not sure why it’s been bumped but it’s interesting reading and the first signs of what a monumental cock up we had with the combination of Learner and MON. It was like giving a child the keys to a sweet shop. If only Learner invested in a real footballing brain and had a strong business executive, the MON era may have worked.
Also between 8 and 12 million depending which was true for Curtis Davies and this was 12 years ago. That’s not far off the price we have paid for Targett. That’s a good gauge on the money we was throwing around back then on very average players.
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I’m betting the bump is due to the Claret and Blue podcast interview with him. Quite insightful I suppose and honest.
He’s neither gone up nor down in my estimations because of it but a good listen.
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A ten year bump. Blimey, that's some pregnancy.
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A ten year bump. Blimey, that's some pregnancy.
Mine started when my wife got pregnant the first time round. So mine must be a seventeen year bump.
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I think its because of the Davis K and Davis S threads that are bouncing around the latest ones.
I'm off to create a Davis/Davies thread off topic
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I think its because of the Davis K and Davis S threads that are bouncing around the latest ones.
I'm off to create a Davis/Davies thread off topic
Create a Gardner/Gardener one too whilst you're at it.
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Don't forget Ciaran Clark/Kieron Clarke.
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Gawd help us when Chukwuemeka starts playing regularly for the senior side.
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Don't forget Ciaran Clark/Kieron Clarke.
Not forgetting Kyran Bracken Eamonn.
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Gawd help us when Chukwuemeka starts playing regularly for the senior side.
He'll get knocked down but he'll get up again.