Post-match thread - Newcastle v Aston Villa

[DB]

They looked like a team with no drection or instructions, as soon as we went 1 down it was a mess. Carew was woeful to pick one of many. We need a manager in quick before this season is over before it's begun....and before the window closes. Will it restrict who we can get if he has to play MONs team until Jan?

[Percy McCarthy]

It has been two weeks of weirdness since O'Neill walked out, but the most depressing bit has been so many people willing to turn against someone who has invested 180 million pounds in us in 4 years. Someone last week referred to him - in all seriousness - as "Young Doug", for fucks sake.

It beggars belief.

I said when Randy took over that it would take years of very heavy losses to get us from where we were to the Champions League, and I meant more than 4 years and £180m. I believed he knew that too and was prepared to sustain those losses. I suppose I'm just a bit pissed off because it looks like I was wrong about Randy and we've just lost 6-0. Still, at least we're all unhappy we've lost which makes a change from last season when the 'MON is the anti-Christ' mob were on here crowing after our rare defeats.

As for the game, I think people are right in saying that we would have won had Carew scored. But what happened afterwards was very worrying. As you say though Paulie, at least it will give the board the necessary kick up the arse.

[5ft811st2 Durham]

Without question Lerner is entirely responsible for the sale of Milner, because since the club is managerless  it's clearly his decision and his decision alone.

I can't see how you stop a deal that was going through since before May. Its harder than stopping a turncoat quitting on you just before the season starts. It was a done deal what RL did do was the best deal for the club financially and it could also involve the one player transferred in this summer.
So I'm confident to say I disagree completely with your without question statement.

Fairly simple. You tell Milner that as we haven't got a manager we are not in a position to buy or sell players until the new guy is appointed. If that means having to wait until January to get his move then  tough.

[pauliewalnuts]

Without question Lerner is entirely responsible for the sale of Milner, because since the club is managerless  it's clearly his decision and his decision alone.

I can't see how you stop a deal that was going through since before May. Its harder than stopping a turncoat quitting on you just before the season starts. It was a done deal what RL did do was the best deal for the club financially and it could also involve the one player transferred in this summer.
So I'm confident to say I disagree completely with your without question statement.

Agree entirely. The deal was going through, with Ireland and everything, before MON resigned. The only option was to keep negotiating along those terms.

Of course it was going through.

To suggest that Milner was staying until MON left, then Randy pushed it through might be convenient for finger pointing terms, but is naive in the extreme.

[achilles]

Without question Lerner is entirely responsible for the sale of Milner, because since the club is managerless  it's clearly his decision and his decision alone.

I can't see how you stop a deal that was going through since before May. Its harder than stopping a turncoat quitting on you just before the season starts. It was a done deal what RL did do was the best deal for the club financially and it could also involve the one player transferred in this summer.
So I'm confident to say I disagree completely with your without question statement.

Fairly simple. You tell Milner that as we haven't got a manager we are not in a position to buy or sell players until the new guy is appointed. If that means having to wait until January to get his move then  tough.

So you have a disgruntled player in the squad, when you can get £18 million and a decent player in exchange... he has to go!
Players hold the power, just ask Reo who is purposely winding down his contract so he can get a free transfer (and big signing-on fee at his next club) at the end of the season... is that loyality to the club!

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Without question Lerner is entirely responsible for the sale of Milner, because since the club is managerless  it's clearly his decision and his decision alone.

I can't see how you stop a deal that was going through since before May. Its harder than stopping a turncoat quitting on you just before the season starts. It was a done deal what RL did do was the best deal for the club financially and it could also involve the one player transferred in this summer.
So I'm confident to say I disagree completely with your without question statement.

Fairly simple. You tell Milner that as we haven't got a manager we are not in a position to buy or sell players until the new guy is appointed. If that means having to wait until January to get his move then  tough.

All well and good but would you really take a hit to the tune of £10m if you delayed the transfer till January?

[pauliewalnuts]

It has been two weeks of weirdness since O'Neill walked out, but the most depressing bit has been so many people willing to turn against someone who has invested 180 million pounds in us in 4 years. Someone last week referred to him - in all seriousness - as "Young Doug", for fucks sake.

It beggars belief.

I said when Randy took over that it would take years of very heavy losses to get us from where we were to the Champions League, and I meant more than 4 years and £180m. I believed he knew that too and was prepared to sustain those losses. I suppose I'm just a bit pissed off because it looks like I was wrong about Randy and we've just lost 6-0. Still, at least we're all unhappy we've lost which makes a change from last season when the 'MON is the anti-Christ' mob were on here crowing after our rare defeats.

As for the game, I think people are right in saying that we would have won had Carew scored. But what happened afterwards was very worrying. As you say though Paulie, at least it will give the board the necessary kick up the arse.

It isn't just about endlessly investing money from day 1 to day x, though. Sometimes along a period of investment, you have to slow down a little, pace the finances, and work on the financial situation as a whole.

There's not a manager (bar Mancini) in the top flight who doesn't have to do that at times - even Ferguson and Wenger do. Why, then, should MON be any different?

Why automatically assume that being asked to do something about the wage bill means an end to investment?

I have to say, though, I think your point about the anti MON mob being not unhappy when we lost is a bit daft, and pretty insulting to those you're referring to.

[Lizz]

Without question Lerner is entirely responsible for the sale of Milner, because since the club is managerless  it's clearly his decision and his decision alone.

I can't see how you stop a deal that was going through since before May. Its harder than stopping a turncoat quitting on you just before the season starts. It was a done deal what RL did do was the best deal for the club financially and it could also involve the one player transferred in this summer.
So I'm confident to say I disagree completely with your without question statement.

Fairly simple. You tell Milner that as we haven't got a manager we are not in a position to buy or sell players until the new guy is appointed. If that means having to wait until January to get his move then  tough.

All well and good but would you really take a hit to the tune of £10m if you delayed the transfer till January?

I certainly wouldn't. Take the money now and run. We'll never know, but there's always the risk of injury.

[Matt Collins]

After all the plaudits for last week's performance I was looking forward to a more tactically intelligent performance than we've witnessed in recent years.

Instead we got precisely the same shape as we had with MON. Ashley basically just played the Gabby role.

It makes you realise just how good our defence was last season. The midfield left them open time and again, but they were able to defend one against one. Collins and Cuellar will make a difference.

Petrov and Ireland really doesn't look like a viable partnership. Carew looks awful and Gabby's return can't come fast enough.

I really don't want to sound negative, but I just have a nagging doubt that Albrighton is going to get found out at this level. Really hope not, but maybe it's too many hyped kids who don't go onto big things.

All in all, let's just try and win the next couple of games, learn from this in terms of team-shape, and please please please get in a physically dominant centre midfielder.

[The Situation]

Speaking of Agbonlahor... when our we expecting his return to the team? We need his effort and running around like headless chicken determination back. Carew looked like he'd rather be in the Rocket Club after his shameful penalty.

[Percy McCarthy]

It has been two weeks of weirdness since O'Neill walked out, but the most depressing bit has been so many people willing to turn against someone who has invested 180 million pounds in us in 4 years. Someone last week referred to him - in all seriousness - as "Young Doug", for fucks sake.

It beggars belief.

I said when Randy took over that it would take years of very heavy losses to get us from where we were to the Champions League, and I meant more than 4 years and £180m. I believed he knew that too and was prepared to sustain those losses. I suppose I'm just a bit pissed off because it looks like I was wrong about Randy and we've just lost 6-0. Still, at least we're all unhappy we've lost which makes a change from last season when the 'MON is the anti-Christ' mob were on here crowing after our rare defeats.

As for the game, I think people are right in saying that we would have won had Carew scored. But what happened afterwards was very worrying. As you say though Paulie, at least it will give the board the necessary kick up the arse.

It isn't just about endlessly investing money from day 1 to day x, though. Sometimes along a period of investment, you have to slow down a little, pace the finances, and work on the financial situation as a whole.

There's not a manager (bar Mancini) in the top flight who doesn't have to do that at times - even Ferguson and Wenger do. Why, then, should MON be any different?

Why automatically assume that being asked to do something about the wage bill means an end to investment?

I have to say, though, I think your point about the anti MON mob being not unhappy when we lost is a bit daft, and pretty insulting to those you're referring to.

Agree with your point about other managers doing it, which is why I was disappointed with MON for not taking on the challenge. If he was sulking over it then probably best he left. Still thought Randy would be pleased with breaking even on transfer fees this summer, and pleased with the progress of the club despite the wage bill.

[JJ-AV]

Fat twat Dunne, put on about a stone over the summer. Pathetic.

[pauliewalnuts]

Fat twat Dunne, put on about a stone over the summer. Pathetic.

I'm not going to write him off on the basis of this game, but last weekend I thought it was pretty obvious to anyone in the ground that he'd put a shed load of weight on.

[JJ-AV]

Guzan
Beye - Cuellar - Collins - Young
Ashley - Petrov - NRC - Downing
Ireland
Gabby

Would be my team for Everton. Hopefully they're all fit.

[pauliewalnuts]

Regardless of him picking the ball out of the net six times today, there's no way I'd stick Guzan in. He's not done enough to suggest he's up to it.