Other Games - 2010/11 Season

[Chris Smith]

I'm sorry if it's a bit too difficult for you to comprehend but yes, that's exactly the case. The figures for transfer spend are clear and transparent, the figures for wage costs are not. There's nothing dodgy about it, it's just the way these things work.

The only clear and transparent thing about this whole sorry discussion is your agenda.  Spurs have not massively outspent us.  They have invested a lot in their team and so have we, marginally more in net terms.  They spend a lot on player salaries and so do we, again marginally more.

The have invested a lot more than us. Their squad cost a lot more than ours. Redknapp has a more expensive group of players to choose from. How many different ways does it need to be said before you get it?

I understand what you believe to be the case but you're wrong about it, that's all.  We invested c. £80M on players while O'Neill was here and Spurs invested about the same, marginally less.  The same is basically true of the amount spent on salaries.

The difference is that they invested their money in better players, used them better and eventually appointed a manager who could get good performances out of them consistently.  Whereas we bought inferior players for the most part, used only some of those we did buy, and ultimately had a manager who reached the limit of his ability in getting good performances out of them.  How long is it going to take before you get that?

It's not what I believe it's cold, hard fact.

Add up the value in transfer fess of the squad of players Redknapp has to choose from. Then add up the value in transfers of the squad of players Gerard has ti choose from. One of those figures is much higher than the other. Having a more expensive squad doesn't guarantee you finishing higher, as Ramos ably demonstrated, but even you aren't going to try to deny that it gives you a head start, are you?

[hilts_coolerking]

2009 accounts

During the financial year the following players joined the Club:
Luka Modric, Giovani Dos Santos, Heurelho Gomes, David Bentley,
Vedran Corluka, Cesar Sanchez, Roman Pavlyuchenko, Wilson
Palacios, Carlo Cudicini, John Bostock, Paul-Jose M’Poku Ebunge
and Mirko Ranieri whilst Jermain Defoe, Pascal Chimbonda and
Robbie Keane all re-signed. The total cost of
all of these players was £119.3m.

Additions 119,336

“Since the year end we have boosted our squad with the following
signings: Peter Crouch, Sebastien Bassong, Niko Kranjcar, Kyle
Naughton, Kyle Walker and James Walker at a cost of £29.4m.”

It stands up because they went out and spent another £148,736,000 on new players.

I've added up the amounts spent on those players as set out on the transfer website I quoted.  That site's figures are £108.5M against the £119.336M from the accounts, and for the second set of players it's £27M against £29.4M from the accounts.  There are a couple of players whose values aren't listed but I think these are youth players and therefore not likely to affect the figures significantly.

So it looks like the website is about 10% down on the accounts figures which makes sense if that extra 10% is agents fees, among other things.

The other thing I'd mention is that that £148M covers players who were signed in the 07/08, 08/09 and 09/10 seasons.

[TheSandman]

I'd rather talk about what a pathetic excuse of a footballer Peter Crouch is. He's 6'7 and goes down quicker than Paris Hilton's knickers. The amount of times he goes down for a player of his size is almost turning into a running joke, he's been getting tips of Darko Milicic fo' sho'; and to think people say Ashley Young is a diver...

Well done to whichever ref was officiating today's spurs vs Everton match... just told Crouch to get up you lanky piece of shit.

It would have been even better had he showed a yellow card as the laws of the game suggest. If referees actually booked divers it might actually stop them cheating.

Agree on Crouch though... Likes a tumble.

Anyway I suspect that I'm either going to blow my own brains out or go to Off Topic to read the slightly less tedious political pointscoring thread than RD 3654 of the Spurs Bullshit Comparison Boxing Match.

[hilts_coolerking]

The fact that that they had two dodgy seasons doesn't mean that they didn't have valuable players or the proceeds from the sale of valuable players that we didn't. I'm not looking for someone to blame for that, it's just a benefit that they had over us. Good luck to them.

No, what it demonstrates is the opposite: that having valuable players and / or the proceeds from the sale of valuable players doesn't solely dictate where you finish.  It's about the quality of the players you spend your money on, and your manager's ability to get good, consistent performances out of them.  Pointing out that Redknapp was better at doing both than O'Neill, and managed it in less time, isn't looking for someone to blame.  It's just stating a fact.

[Dave]

The fact that that they had two dodgy seasons doesn't mean that they didn't have valuable players or the proceeds from the sale of valuable players that we didn't. I'm not looking for someone to blame for that, it's just a benefit that they had over us. Good luck to them.

No, what it demonstrates is the opposite: that having valuable players and / or the proceeds from the sale of valuable players doesn't solely dictate where you finish.

And nobody has said that it does.

A simple question to hopefully bring this soul-destroying exchange to a close:

In the period between the ENIC takeover and the Lerner takeover (2001 - 2006), which club do you think made the more constructive and positive progress towards their current standing?

If we can ascetain the answer to that I'm happy to go on my merry way and let you carry on arguing your way through Spurs' accounts.

[adrenachrome]

But nor is that fact that in the years 2001-2006 when they were in a position to bring in the likes of Berbatov, Davids, Lennon, Huddlestone, Carrick, Dawson, Defoe and Keane we were bringing in Mathieu Berson, Kevin Phillips and Aaron Hughes.

The fact that that they had two dodgy seasons doesn't mean that they didn't have valuable players or the proceeds from the sale of valuable players that we didn't. I'm not looking for someone to blame for that, it's just a benefit that they had over us. Good luck to them.

That is the crux of the matter.

We were effectively carrying out an austerity program and relying largely on bringing through youth players during the tenure of GT Mk 11 and O'Dreary. Sperms on the hand, were investing heavily during this period.

And don't forget Kinsella. I still remember Paul Merson's expression on Sky Sposrts when he sadly exclaimed "You don't replace George Boateng with Mark Kinsella!".

[Villa'Zawg]

You are a funny fucker, are you stamping your feet as you type? Even the website you pointed to earlier, which we know for a fact undervalues their spend by more than £50m, shows Spurs having spent 50% more than us in net terms since Randy took over.

If I'm a funny fucker you must be a stupid fucker.

The figures show that for the four seasons O'Neill was here our net spend was £82.3M.  They also show that Spurs' net spend over the same period was £77.7M

Villa
06/07 £14.1M
07/08 £6.25M
08/09 £45.9M
09/10 £16.05M

Spurs
06/07 £23.8M
07/08 £33.95M
08/09 £19.45M
09/10 £00.5M

You need to let go of your O'Neill fixation and your anger, I said they've spent 50% more since Randy took over. So including this summer, the figures on that website are;

Villa net spend = £62.8m
Spurs net spend = £90.7m

[Legion]

Can this thread please return to coverage of other matches played this season?

Ta.

West Ham currently 1-1 with Newcastle United.

[Villa'Zawg]

If I'm a funny fucker you must be a stupid fucker.

[mod hat] Can both of you cut out the childish name calling please?[/mod hat]

Mine was a term of endearment ;-)

[TheSandman]

Sheffield United have really deteriorated since they came up under Warnock. They are utterly shit and being comprehensively beaten 2-0 by Doncaster.

[PeterWithesShin]

There was a cracker of a freekick in the Forest game, no idea who scored it though as I only saw the replay.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Celtic one up.

[Lambert and Payne]

Celtic one up.

1-1 - Og from Loovens i think - Get in!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Celtic one up.

1-1 - Og from Loovens i think - Get in!

It's getting a bit tasty now.

[Somniloquism]

Ref just bottled sending Quasimodo Neville off. Already on a yellow and he dives in and got no where near the ball. Stoke fans chanting "If he played for Stoke, you would send him off".