0% Villa. The Damned United.

[richard moore]

the Don Revie in the film looked more like Don Revie than Don Revie,
spooky

That was Colm Meany.  Truely amazing how much he looked like him as when you see him normally he looks nothing like Don Revie.

Great also in The Snapper and other films....

[Irish villain]

I watched the film over Christmas so just switched over for the documentary last night.

It was very good and the interviews given were quite frank. Good to see MON and John Robertson appear in it.

[pauliewalnuts]

Was it the same documentary that was shown earlier this year? Or last year, even?

[lordmcgrath5]

Was it the same documentary that was shown earlier this year? Or last year, even?

I was getting a bit confused about this as well. But no, I think last night's one was new and the one you're thinking of was on ITV. Shown at around the time the film was released. MON and John Robertson weren't interviewed together for the ITV one. Inevitably though, the two documentaries covered a lot of similar ground.

I was really shocked to see the images of Cloughy in his final years. No wonder the drink killed him - he looked a terrible state.

[not3bad]

I was really shocked to see the images of Cloughy in his final years. No wonder the drink killed him - he looked a terrible state.

I didn't pay much attention to the documentary for this reason.  I much preferred the film which depicted Cloughie in his prime.

[Midlands Memorabilia]

I have been lucky enough to have met a few of the Leeds team from the seventies as I did a bit of work with Paul Reaney around the time the film was first out.

The impression I got from them was Brian Clough was on a loser from the moment he took the job as Revie had created a solid unit who beleived in each other, Brian Clough was dismissive of what they had acheived together which was possibly the worst thing to do.

[Dave Cooper please]

Nor were Leeds ever quite as dirty as is portrayed though they could dish it out on occasions. They also played some superb football, which is never remembered and particularly since The Damned United surfaced. On their day, Giles, Eddie Gray, Lorimer, Jones, Madeley and Clarke were sublime...

True, but as I read it in Peace's book, the "dirty Leeds" tag was something that ate away at Clough, he didn't think they should be able to play like that and still win trophies, so much that he couldn't see past the fouls and the cheating. Therefore I think it was right to portray them as such in the film even if the truth was somewhat different.

[damon loves JT]

As I read it, the `Dirty Leeds' thing was largely happening inside Brian Clough's head. The book is the story of a man's mental disintegration more than anything.

Peace is very good at blurring the line between supposedly historical events and people's fears and fantasies, and creating drama from it. `Red Riding' is a stone cold masterpiece.

Leeds supporters shouldn't take it too personally, but I can see why they would and I can see why Clough's family would be unhappy too.

[cdward]

Interesting in the documentary after the film when MON was talking about how Clough played him out of position.
MON went to see Clough to ask him could he play in his preferred position, and Clough basically told him, either he played in the position allocated to him or he would find himself on the sub's bench. MON said he never mentioned it again.

Draw your own conclusions, but i would say, that probably explains the falling out with NRC.

[richard moore]

Nor were Leeds ever quite as dirty as is portrayed though they could dish it out on occasions. They also played some superb football, which is never remembered and particularly since The Damned United surfaced. On their day, Giles, Eddie Gray, Lorimer, Jones, Madeley and Clarke were sublime...

True, but as I read it in Peace's book, the "dirty Leeds" tag was something that ate away at Clough, he didn't think they should be able to play like that and still win trophies, so much that he couldn't see past the fouls and the cheating. Therefore I think it was right to portray them as such in the film even if the truth was somewhat different.

That was my point really Dave - that in real life whilst no angels, they were not as bad as their portrayal in this film has led people to believe them to be. And of course, Clough never encouraged Gemmill, Burns, Larry Lloyd, Dave McKay or anyone else to play in the same way...

[Chris Smith]

They were a nasty side and Revie encouraged it. They could play some great football but it was always after they'd bullied the opposition physically in the first place. Norman Hunter was jus a thug, remember Jackie Charlton and his little black book of who he was going to do, Johnny Giles was a great player but a nasty fucker, Alan Clarke was all little off the ball digs and Bremner was the worst of the lot.

They fully earned their reputation, imo.

[UK Redsox]

They were a nasty side and Revie encouraged it. They could play some great football but it was always after they'd bullied the opposition physically in the first place. Norman Hunter was jus a thug, remember Jackie Charlton and his little black book of who he was going to do, Johnny Giles was a great player but a nasty fucker, Alan Clarke was all little off the ball digs and Bremner was the worst of the lot.

They fully earned their reputation, imo.

Which is exactly what Villa need in midfield at the moment

[Clampy]

They were a nasty side and Revie encouraged it. They could play some great football but it was always after they'd bullied the opposition physically in the first place. Norman Hunter was jus a thug, remember Jackie Charlton and his little black book of who he was going to do, Johnny Giles was a great player but a nasty fucker, Alan Clarke was all little off the ball digs and Bremner was the worst of the lot.

They fully earned their reputation, imo.

Which is exactly what Villa need in midfield at the moment

I'm know what you mean, but i'm not sure.  I hate to think how many suspensions someone like Van Bommel would get if he played over here.

[Chris Smith]

They were a nasty side and Revie encouraged it. They could play some great football but it was always after they'd bullied the opposition physically in the first place. Norman Hunter was jus a thug, remember Jackie Charlton and his little black book of who he was going to do, Johnny Giles was a great player but a nasty fucker, Alan Clarke was all little off the ball digs and Bremner was the worst of the lot.

They fully earned their reputation, imo.

Which is exactly what Villa need in midfield at the moment

Maybe, except he'd not last 10 minutes if he tried to play like that these days.

Football was a much dirtier game in the 70s so they weren't alone but what made Leeds stand out was that they appeared to be so cynically premeditated about it.

[eastie]

Nasty bunch of players , that could play though, remember them taking the piss out of Southampton with bAckheels etc, Leeds never won what they should have in the 70s and were too often the bridesmaids and runners up.

No doubt in today's game they would have struggled as a large part of there was game was intimadation and bullying the opposition- clough in hindsight should have never even thought about going there considering his views on them!