The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296

[pauliewalnuts]

Why does he want out, Chris?

I remember you posting something ages ago but can't recall the details.

[TheSandman]

It's in t'other place I think.

[philsheard]

Chris J,

i wasn't tarring all yorkshiremen with the phrase "tiprat" - its just an expression in the parts I come from and can be directed at anyone.

Admittedly he may see an opportunity with citeh to challenge at the top but the money has to come into it as he's looking at probably doubling his wages. If citeh only offered to match his wages at villa and, as we expect, can't guarantee his a first team place would he be swayed? Probably not i think.

[Chris Jameson]

Chris J,

i wasn't tarring all yorkshiremen with the phrase "tiprat" - its just an expression in the parts I come from and can be directed at anyone.

It's a birthright to be tight fisted when you're born in Yorkshire. Trust me, the money isn't the issue.

[philsheard]

it's difficult to accept what you say without some reasoning behind it. Can you elaborate?

Does he want to be closer to home and doesn't enjoy the midlands, is he fed up with villa's style of play, does he think he can win more medals, does he miss lard arse really really bad, was mancini his hero as a kid etc etc.

At the moment I can only think its money or medals but I favour the former.

[old man villa fan]

If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....

Perhaps he's keeping his options open?

That's what I'd do.

It was a bit late for keeping his options open, don't you think.

If Milner couldn't see the situation at Villa at the end of last season and the way Man City were going about their business for this season, he was being a bit stupid to say the least.  He had two options, stay with the Villa for a few more seasons and become the centre of the team and probably the top earner in the club or go to a club that will be challenging for the top honours and earn considerably more.  The contrast between the two options was so great that it wouldn't take long to make your mind up.

At the end of the day Milner is a professional footballer and wants success, money and the glamour of being associated with a team winning things.  Whether he plays a big part or is a bit part player will determine his future career.  It's his choice and if he has decided to go, then I want the best for Villa and that means the best deal possible.  We move on and hopefully it is only one step backwards before moving two steps forward.

[Shrek]

And before people say they will have more success, do you think you'd be happy collecting medals from the bench!

Because I shore wouldn't!

If someone offered you the opportunity to challenge for and most likely win top honours & pay you at least £12mil more for doing so,would you take it?

Or would you turn the £12mil down to challenge for a Europa League spot for the next four years

It's a no-brainer

Milner gave his all for our club-he now has a once in a lifetime opportunity to step up.To begrudge him this chance or to post abuse is stupid


Thank God Milner hasn't been "good to the H & V empire" eh? There'd be no slating him then & we'd have nothing to talk about

Milner is going for the money simple! Anyone with half a brain can see he will not figure and that he is being bought simply to stifle us.

[Shrek]

Think about it, if we were city would you buy him?

He is going to a club that plays with 2 sometimes 3 holding midfielders.

[hawkeye]

Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?

He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.

Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.

If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?

its our lack of ambition, i have said on here many times that the total of our ambition is top 6 and some decent cup runs, sadly our supporters seem to accept this so expect more of the same

If you mean a lack of ambition within the club ownership then that's bollocks.

What else can Randy do? Sell the club to any of the Arab gazillionaires out there? He has invested heavily some might say too heavily to try to get us onto the greater level.

i think the ambition was there from the owner, the last few seasons of standing still, poor tactics and a lack of ambition in the transfer market sugest that things have moved on. it is not unreasonable to sugest that ambitious players can allso see the managers failings and decide that there is more chance of real success elsewhere.

[DrGonzo]

And the joys of warming the bench while other less deserving, over paid, over rated, arrogant twats play instead of him.  The thing about Milner is that he isn't a naturally talented player, he works incredibly hard at his game, he is only focused on his career.  Until now he has played at clubs who have respected this fantastic work ethic.  Mancini isn't exactly famed for his vigorous attitude towards training. I fear that this may come as a culture shock for Milner, I hope it doesn't affect his attitude towards his career,  which is his greatest attribute.

[hawkeye]

And before people say

Milner is going for the money simple! Anyone with half a brain can see he will not figure and that he is being bought simply to stifle us.

This might be true but dumping £25mil into our transfer kitty is hardly stifling us

[pauliewalnuts]

If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....

Perhaps he's keeping his options open?

That's what I'd do.

It was a bit late for keeping his options open, don't you think.

If Milner couldn't see the situation at Villa at the end of last season and the way Man City were going about their business for this season, he was being a bit stupid to say the least.  He had two options, stay with the Villa for a few more seasons and become the centre of the team and probably the top earner in the club or go to a club that will be challenging for the top honours and earn considerably more.  The contrast between the two options was so great that it wouldn't take long to make your mind up.

At the end of the day Milner is a professional footballer and wants success, money and the glamour of being associated with a team winning things.  Whether he plays a big part or is a bit part player will determine his future career.  It's his choice and if he has decided to go, then I want the best for Villa and that means the best deal possible.  We move on and hopefully it is only one step backwards before moving two steps forward.

No, it isn't too late.

The fact is, though, why would he come out and say "I'm happy and don't want to leave" when, perhaps - perhaps for some of the reasons you mentioned yourself - he isn't sure what he wants to do?

I take all your arguments as to why he should leave us - I don't agree with some of them, but I see why you're making them - but I would suggest that they're not really relevant to the question in hand.

He's no reason to come out and say "I don't want to leave" if he doesn't know if he does or not. That might be the case, that might not be the case, but I don't see how you can dismiss it as a possible reason why he hasn't made such a statement.

Maybe you're more fatalistic than I am. Didn't you suggest the other day that the way forward for us was developing decent players then selling them? Like Wigan, if you will?

[sfx412]

talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.

[hawkeye]

paulie has he said "i am happy and dont want to leave"

[pauliewalnuts]

talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.

Two years ago, Milner leaves Newcastle to join us, because Newcastle wont offer him more money.

In the intervening two years, on here, we've seen - hundreds of times - people saying how "Jimmy" isn't about money, he just wants to play football, he's "different".

Now, all of a sudden, we're hearing that he's a money grabbing bastard of the worst type.

The revisionism has been quite amazing.

I know he looks a bit like a 1940s throwback with that Blitz schoolboy haircut, but he's a modern day footballer. He wont have any particular allegiance to the club beyond the fact they pay him a huge amount of money.